Speaker 2: To your face.
Speaker 1: I'm Brian A, I'm Jeff Dam, I'm Billy D. And
Speaker 1: we are here for our I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: an Innie or an Audi. I don't know. At any
Speaker 1: point in my life, I'm definitely a split person.
Speaker 2: But I was thinking about this the other day, as
Speaker 2: Billy has sort of become the shared universus severance experts
Speaker 2: since you watched each episode like fucking fifteen times. But
Speaker 2: the fact that you are already going by Billy D
Speaker 2: is so perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some believe it.
Speaker 2: Really it really works.
Speaker 3: Me and not only that, I had one of those
Speaker 3: belly button hernias, so I went from an Innie to
Speaker 3: an Audi back to an Innie.
Speaker 2: I would consider myself an Audi because I have to
Speaker 2: be much different.
Speaker 1: Wait are you saying that right now you're an Audi
Speaker 1: on this show or just in general you're an Audi?
Speaker 2: Well, this might be a third I might be. It
Speaker 2: might be a real JEMA situation for me, you know.
Speaker 2: But I would say the way I react and act
Speaker 2: on this podcast is pretty accurate to who I am
Speaker 2: out in the real world. When I'm at work, sometimes
Speaker 2: you can't be the way we are here.
Speaker 1: I think I'm the same person. Maybe at work and
Speaker 1: at home. No, I'm two different people. I'm three different people.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely work Brian home Goo Podcast Goo, and I
Speaker 1: would only imagine, like, you know, someone trying to discourage
Speaker 1: me as like your home Brian A collects turtles.
Speaker 2: No, no, it would be your Audi like snaps. Your
Speaker 2: Audi is very sleepy.
Speaker 1: Your Audi was in a Madden League until he realized
Speaker 1: that it was just too much and he had to quit.
Speaker 2: Goo. By the way, thank you for finally showing up
Speaker 2: to review Severance with me. I reviewed season one with
Speaker 2: Keith and Davey because no one had really seen it
Speaker 2: yet except for Keith, Davy, myself, and Billy. That was
Speaker 2: also it also coincided with your trip to Italy, in
Speaker 2: which you didn't end up going on because as you
Speaker 2: got COVID.
Speaker 1: First time I got COVID. Also, the first time I
Speaker 1: was supposed to go to Italy. We eventually went to Italy.
Speaker 1: Second time didn't bring the sun. I'm actually pretty happy
Speaker 1: with this because I don't know how that would have
Speaker 1: worked the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. So to bring you back three years
Speaker 2: ago and season one came out, I remember Keith looking
Speaker 2: for someone to watch the show, so we could talk
Speaker 2: to with he found Billy. They were talking it up, saying,
Speaker 2: it's like the best show on television right now. So
Speaker 2: I ended up started starting to watch season one the
Speaker 2: day the season one finale was coming out. I ended
Speaker 2: up finishing like overnight finishing. I watched all nine episodes
Speaker 2: of season one in like ten hours. It was fucking great.
Speaker 2: I loved binging it, and after that point I was
Speaker 2: great to watch because I think you and Keith did
Speaker 2: an episode on it, and then me, Keith and David
Speaker 2: did an episode on it like two weeks later or
Speaker 2: something like that, so it's good to have a little
Speaker 2: bit of in between.
Speaker 3: It's a great show to binge, but I don't know
Speaker 3: if I would want to ever binge it from here
Speaker 3: on out.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Also, this must be COVID fog, because I thought that
Speaker 1: you had Billy on our show to discuss sever and
Speaker 1: season one.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, You've been saying that for the last couple.
Speaker 1: Of weeks, and no one corrected me until Mac today, Max.
Speaker 3: Like you, No, we did the we did the Breaking
Speaker 3: Bad sequel show together the end of that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, whatever. But I listened to the episode of
Speaker 2: season one and it wasn't you. It was Mekeean Davy
Speaker 2: And I was like, it was so confident that he
Speaker 2: convinced me that it was you. Uh Severed Season two
Speaker 2: an Apple TV plus.
Speaker 1: You do not know how our show works?
Speaker 3: What you gotta hit the intro? One?
Speaker 2: Goo three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, John three, King of Queen.
Speaker 1: Mal Street Entertainment. I'm good and I'm Mac and we're
Speaker 1: the Mac can Go program. We bring you an these
Speaker 1: audies and all friendships in between.
Speaker 2: And today we are bringing you You know what why
Speaker 2: this show works for so many people is you know,
Speaker 2: Inny and Audi is very relatable because of what we
Speaker 2: just talked about in the open, how different some people
Speaker 2: are at work and at home, and how sometimes you
Speaker 2: just have to tolerate friends at work. You know, you
Speaker 2: have work friends and then you have real life friends.
Speaker 2: And so I think this show is relatable on a
Speaker 2: lot of leaves.
Speaker 1: Well, also the whole thought of wanting to separate your
Speaker 1: entire life work and home.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, make someone that I don't know that I
Speaker 2: won't remember, do all the shitty stuff, and then I
Speaker 2: get to enjoy the funds.
Speaker 1: It's like Adam Sandler's Click all over again. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Christopher Walking pointed that out several times on set. He
Speaker 1: is the crossover of the two.
Speaker 3: I am very much the Audi always, except when I
Speaker 3: meet somebody for the first time. I'm very much in
Speaker 3: any which sucks on first aids because I usually just
Speaker 3: I'm terrible because I'm not myself.
Speaker 1: People are always so disappointed when they're expecting to meet
Speaker 1: a certain version of me and then they meet quiet
Speaker 1: kind of sitting in a corner like this.
Speaker 3: Oh, my friend Kevin was pissing.
Speaker 1: He was pissed. I'm sorry. I put all of my
Speaker 1: energy into this forty five minute program, slash. I put
Speaker 1: a lot of energy into work that when I'm out
Speaker 1: of here, I am tired. I am nothing but tired,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to talk to anybody.
Speaker 2: On the program. So passionate, convicted of whatever he's talking
Speaker 2: about in his regular life. Eh, you're just like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: why not?
Speaker 1: The best thing is about most things in life. I
Speaker 1: don't care.
Speaker 2: Uh. Today, boys, we are back together. I don't remember
Speaker 2: last time the three of us all did in an episode,
Speaker 2: but I'm happy.
Speaker 1: To We built a house.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, We are discussing Severed Season two, a season
Speaker 2: of television three years in the making good. When did
Speaker 2: you finally watch season one? Was it recently?
Speaker 1: Yes? I started binging season one so that I was
Speaker 1: caught up up by season three or I'm sorry, episode
Speaker 1: three of season two. Also, who's on the program today?
Speaker 1: Did we introduce Billy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, Billy De's are Power Body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from the Pineapple Yeah.
Speaker 2: And uh, what's the other one?
Speaker 3: PCP? Whenever scream comes at right?
Speaker 1: Alrightp that's right, whenever Scream is available, Billy's doing a podcast.
Speaker 2: And of course, if you're tuning in here, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're listening to hashtag dork, where Billy's been on there
Speaker 2: every week, reviewing and talking about Severance weekly. So he's
Speaker 2: deep into the so thing. He's certainly a much bigger
Speaker 2: expert on this show than anyone else.
Speaker 1: Whenever I had a question during the season, I would
Speaker 1: message Billy being like, hey, I think that this Annie
Speaker 1: is actually an audi or this audi is doing something,
Speaker 1: and then he would go and watch a very specific
Speaker 1: either elevator scene or a hallway scene to look at
Speaker 1: the movement or like how people's shoulders are, to give
Speaker 1: a little deeper dive, and then either say maybe or
Speaker 1: you might be right. He never once told me he's
Speaker 1: ever like, oh yeah, definitely, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I take out the iPad and I just figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about this season, right and the show.
Speaker 2: It's so well written that things aren't clear until their
Speaker 2: outright said so right, you could kind of lean either way,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get into a big thing in the
Speaker 2: finale here where I think I feel one way and
Speaker 2: maybe you two don't. It's not explicit until they actually
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: It's also not just well written, it's well thought out,
Speaker 1: because you can still write things that you don't think
Speaker 1: out all the way this show is clearly and I'm hoping,
Speaker 1: and we'll get deeper into this later on, that we
Speaker 1: have a conclusion either by the end of this next
Speaker 1: season or maybe one more after that. But the further
Speaker 1: that you try and stretch this idea, you might start
Speaker 1: to lose control over what's going on.
Speaker 3: So far, though, the connective tissue that holds everything together
Speaker 3: is ultra strong. Everything's lining up, and you're just like,
Speaker 3: they really thought of that then, Like Dieter Egan, which
Speaker 3: I thought was one hundred percent only in season two,
Speaker 3: appears like a like a billboard and a forest in
Speaker 3: season one at some point, so they were so far
Speaker 3: ahead of this shit.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Now for anyone listening right now, you probably
Speaker 2: have watched it. So but if you haven't, we gave
Speaker 2: you our elevator face. Should we give them an elevator
Speaker 2: pitch of the show? It's to me, it's essentially, you know,
Speaker 2: fifty percent of Lost DNA with a little bit of
Speaker 2: like get Out and some sci fi thriller stuff twin peaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, west World season one.
Speaker 2: West World is good.
Speaker 3: Sprinkle in a little bit of office fun there too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, more so in season one than this season.
Speaker 1: I think. Very simple is that if you like to
Speaker 1: weekly watch a television show where you need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to what's going on and try and follow the
Speaker 1: breadcrumbs to solve the mystery, this is forty dog stuff.
Speaker 1: I just kind of tip my hand there, but this
Speaker 1: is the best of if you're trying to solve not
Speaker 1: only a mystery, but a fucking weird mystery, this is
Speaker 1: that type of show.
Speaker 3: Lost was one of my favorite shows of all time.
Speaker 3: This is already outpacing it by a wide, wide margin.
Speaker 3: And the first two seasons of Lost are phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Lost you know, probably halfway through season two
Speaker 2: you were like, I don't know if they know where
Speaker 2: they're going with this stuff. Where here it seems like
Speaker 2: and I'm hopeful for there is a clear end in sight,
Speaker 2: and we were left off at the end of the season.
Speaker 2: I really hope it doesn't go four seasons. I hope
Speaker 2: it's three seasons and we're and we're done with you know,
Speaker 2: I think we need one more season, and that one
Speaker 2: more ten episode season should get us to where we
Speaker 2: need to go.
Speaker 1: This show also has an advantage over say a Lost,
Speaker 1: where Lost was tied to ABC and they said, you
Speaker 1: have to give us a certain amount of episodes for
Speaker 1: a certain amount of seasons, and they kept on having
Speaker 1: to go with it, Whereas this is a streamer on
Speaker 1: a platform that I thin I think just wants the
Speaker 1: best quality possible, so much so that every year Apple
Speaker 1: TV Plus loses one billion dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to that point, I actually do believe Lost
Speaker 2: was conceived as a three season show, so it got
Speaker 2: fucked up from that point on.
Speaker 3: It was so wildly successful they were like, you gotta
Speaker 3: give us more.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also that was twenty four episodes of hour
Speaker 2: long TV compared to nine and season one.
Speaker 1: And ABC said, without you, we'd be lost.
Speaker 2: Severed. Season two of course on Apple tv Plus pretty
Speaker 2: much the only reason I have an Apple tv Plus
Speaker 2: subscription at the moment. Again, we'd waited damn near three
Speaker 2: full years for this season. It is a tv MA drama, mystery,
Speaker 2: sci fi thriller, and I think it hits on all
Speaker 2: those aspects tremendously. It's it doesn't just dip its toes
Speaker 2: in any of those. If you just said it was
Speaker 2: just a drama, it would qualify just a mystery, it
Speaker 2: would qualify sci fi thriller. Same thing. It does all
Speaker 2: those things amazingly. This season was ten episodes, totally four
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety seven minutes or nearly fifty minutes an episode.
Speaker 2: It's pretty consistent with season one. Season one had nine
Speaker 2: episodes on roddy t Season two ninety five percent from
Speaker 2: the critics, only seventy percent from the audience.
Speaker 1: I'm actually fine with that because I think a show
Speaker 1: like this, you don't want everyone to like it. You
Speaker 1: don't want this to be for everybody. Smarter programming isn't
Speaker 1: always for everybody.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, because season one is ninety seven percent
Speaker 2: critics eighty five percent audience. I find it weird that
Speaker 2: it's lower.
Speaker 1: They got weirder, Yes, they got weirder.
Speaker 2: They dive into what you wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people, I always talk to you. They don't really
Speaker 3: enjoy it as much as I do. Say, where are
Speaker 3: all the answers? It's like reading a book getting to
Speaker 3: the middle and being like, why don't I know the
Speaker 3: end of the story yet It's like, well, because it's
Speaker 3: not done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're two thirds of the way.
Speaker 1: The Empire Strikes Back has more questions than answers.
Speaker 3: Right right, You got to get to the end. And
Speaker 3: they gave the best thing about this show is that
Speaker 3: when they answer a question, ten spring out of that
Speaker 3: one answer.
Speaker 1: Also season one, they produced the entire first season and
Speaker 1: put out the first season having no idea what the
Speaker 1: reception would be if people liked it, so they might
Speaker 1: have had it a little bit tighter, thinking this might
Speaker 1: only be a one season show, whereas after that first
Speaker 1: season they said, we know we have at least two
Speaker 1: seasons here. We know we have more story to tell,
Speaker 1: So they are stretching it a bit differently, and they
Speaker 1: went a little bit on the weirder side here.
Speaker 2: Well, season one also is because it's an introduction in
Speaker 2: the beginning of a story, you're dealing with that natural
Speaker 2: build up right in a wildly awesome conclusion, Whereas this
Speaker 2: season starts up there and it is mostly up there,
Speaker 2: but there are some dips, so I could see if
Speaker 2: you're expecting it to be forty dogs every episode, maybe
Speaker 2: you're mildly disappointed in the season. But I felt like
Speaker 2: this kept up the tension that we built to at
Speaker 2: the end of season one in every episode. It was
Speaker 2: there in every single episode, even in the Cobell episode
Speaker 2: that a lot of people didn't care for, and to
Speaker 2: that point on Metacritic, eighty six season two compared to
Speaker 2: eighty three and season one.
Speaker 3: And the thing I loved about this season is take
Speaker 3: a show like Lost, and basically any show that's procedural
Speaker 3: like Lost, had the same formula. This code switched almost
Speaker 3: every single episode where it was all in these all out.
Speaker 3: He's a mix, just Kobell, so you never knew what
Speaker 3: you were in store for every Thursday or Friday night
Speaker 3: whenever you watched it, and that was always a fun
Speaker 3: ride for me. What are we getting tonight?
Speaker 2: This show is created by Dan Erickson, directed and produced
Speaker 2: by Ben Stiller. Those are the two driving forces behind
Speaker 2: this show. You also have executive producers Ericson Arquette, Patrisa Arquette,
Speaker 2: Jackie Cone, Adam Scott, and Nicholas Weinstock synopsis of Severance,
Speaker 2: which makes more sense for season one than I guess
Speaker 2: season two. But this is all we They don't update,
Speaker 2: you know, never update them out of me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mark leads a team of office workers whose memories have
Speaker 2: been surgically divided between their work and personal lives. When
Speaker 2: I'm astereiou colleague appears outside of work ped it begins
Speaker 2: a journey to discover the truth about their jobs. Now,
Speaker 2: before we get into uh spoilers even get further, I
Speaker 2: will say PD and reintegration ends up taking a massive
Speaker 2: back seat at the end of the season, and I
Speaker 2: wonder if it was all just to like bring Kobell's
Speaker 2: stuff back in. I was a little annoyed by.
Speaker 1: Let's wait for spoilers on that, because I mean, I
Speaker 1: have thoughts I have we have no resolution, like in like,
Speaker 1: we don't know anything. Let's just get it out there
Speaker 1: right now, US three, we don't really know anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, And to Billy's point. When we do
Speaker 2: get a resolution, five to ten more questions, pop pop,
Speaker 2: and I'm just so fucking confused the whole.
Speaker 1: It's like when you got the head off a dragon.
Speaker 2: Yes, executive exactly. I think this is the first show
Speaker 2: in a really long time. I was trying to remember
Speaker 2: the last one where I like watched it, thought I
Speaker 2: understood it, then would watch a video breakdown and then
Speaker 2: became more confused, but in a good way, because now
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, oh, it could be this, it could be that.
Speaker 2: That's like to goo'se point at the beginning. If you're
Speaker 2: looking for a show where you want to dive fully
Speaker 2: into this, is it.
Speaker 1: Like if you want a show where you have to
Speaker 1: watch it with a notebook? Right there, I do really psychopath.
Speaker 2: Bear with me with this cast list because it's long
Speaker 2: and they're all actually.
Speaker 1: Just rip through it. Everyone's good. We're not going to
Speaker 1: stop you.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Adam Scott as Mark Scout, Britt Lauer as
Speaker 2: Helena Egan, Zach Cherry as Dylan George, John Taturo as
Speaker 2: Irving Bailiff, Trammel Tillman as Seth Million.
Speaker 1: I will stop you right there, Sorry, I said, I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do it. But if I were to
Speaker 1: point at one reason why this season is better than
Speaker 1: season one, if I was to make that statement, it
Speaker 1: would be because of all the Milt Chick stuff that
Speaker 1: we got in this I thought his character was just
Speaker 1: so magnetic and everything that he did. You have no
Speaker 1: idea what the reasoning is, and I just want to
Speaker 1: know more and more about this character. I prefer him
Speaker 1: over co Bell from season one.
Speaker 3: Oh MVP.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Again, Let's save the remarks for the end.
Speaker 1: That was the one that I had.
Speaker 2: Jen Tullock is Devin Scout Hale, It's Mark's sister. Dyken
Speaker 2: Lockman as gem A Scout Slash ms Casey, Patricia arquettez
Speaker 2: Harmony Cobell, Michael Chernis is Rick and Hale, Christopher Walking
Speaker 2: as Bert Goodman, Mark Gella is Keuer, Egan Sarah Bach
Speaker 2: gets introduced this season as Miss Swang. Sidney Cole Alexander
Speaker 2: as Natalie klin olaf dari Olufsen Hell of a Name
Speaker 2: gets introduced this season as Mister Drummond. Karen Aldridge is
Speaker 2: back as Asal Ragabi, Michael Siberry Sibbery as Jamie Egan.
Speaker 2: That's Helen his father. Mere Weaver is introduced as Gretchen George.
Speaker 2: Robbie Benson is introduced as doctor Mauer. Sandra Bernhard introduced
Speaker 2: as Nurse Cecily. Gwendolyn Christy is back as Louren, She's
Speaker 2: the goat Lady. Claudie Robinson back as Felicia from O
Speaker 2: and D. We get introduced to John Noble as Fields
Speaker 2: and Jane Alexander Cissy Cobell and exclusively in the first
Speaker 2: episode and spilled over a little bit to the second one.
Speaker 2: We get to three new office mates, Bob Ballaban as Mark,
Speaker 2: w Aliah Shakat as Gwendolen Why, and Stefano Carante Karenate
Speaker 2: as Dario r Who. I'm stunned literally just did one offs.
Speaker 1: So do you want to just dive into our nonagone
Speaker 1: and go right to spoilers because.
Speaker 2: Characters? OK, So you mentioned why this season gets kicked
Speaker 2: up over season one. I agree, Milchick was a driving
Speaker 2: force behind that. To me, it's britt Lauer. I've never
Speaker 2: seen someone pulled double duty the way she does in
Speaker 2: this show, especially in the first half of the season
Speaker 2: where the whole audience she's acting it so well the
Speaker 2: whole audience is like, I don't know if that's Helly
Speaker 2: or Helena, Like there there are signs and there are things.
Speaker 1: Well, I told you that it was I. You didn't
Speaker 1: tell me it was I did, I told you, I
Speaker 1: told you.
Speaker 3: Still kind of don't know. She is so good at
Speaker 3: the I've.
Speaker 1: Told you to watch her shoulders Billy.
Speaker 2: But the fact that she has these different character notes
Speaker 2: for the two characters is awesome when you really break
Speaker 2: it down. And then I still think the greatest mystery
Speaker 2: and driving force behind the show right now is her character.
Speaker 2: And I think that's gonna play out in season three.
Speaker 2: So that was my main thing to kick flip off
Speaker 2: your mil check thing the other thing, and we'll get
Speaker 2: into it a little bit in spoilers. We get Miss Swang,
Speaker 2: who really just stands as someone to round out Kobell's backstory.
Speaker 3: It felt like, ultimately, Yeah, she was good. I loved
Speaker 3: I said this a bunch of the other podcast. I
Speaker 3: love the eye acting from her. She made you uncomfortable
Speaker 3: every time she was on. I thought she was good.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping you see her again because they're sending her
Speaker 3: to that special school that I bet you they send
Speaker 3: all of those people to so maybe she'll be back
Speaker 3: in season three.
Speaker 1: Billy, I'm gonna ask moving forward that you don't mention
Speaker 1: the other podcast. You are on this podcast. This is
Speaker 1: the Billy that we want. I want you to have
Speaker 1: no thought of the other podcast.
Speaker 3: This is Audi Billy.
Speaker 2: And then a couple of things to remember from season one,
Speaker 2: and I think we kind of forget this. It gets
Speaker 2: lost in the shuffle. Mark only joins Lumen and gets
Speaker 2: severed to cope with the loss of his wife. So
Speaker 2: when we talk about the finale of this season, we're
Speaker 2: gonna have to remember that there could be some other
Speaker 2: people behind what's going on to get Mark into Lumen
Speaker 2: in the first place. Number two. Season one did very
Speaker 2: small world building. This season world built the shit out
Speaker 2: of whatever world were, and they did a great job
Speaker 2: continuing to build the egans in Lumen. I love that aspect.
Speaker 1: Is this spoiler ish, but I still have no idea
Speaker 1: what the aesthetic of this world is, Like we see
Speaker 1: what it is, we see, I guess we see how
Speaker 1: like there's there's no time description on really anything in
Speaker 1: this world, either at Lumen or outside. Everyone's still dry.
Speaker 1: Having these cars from like the eighties and the nineties,
Speaker 1: but we have smartphones. Yeah, so let's save that for spoilers.
Speaker 1: But like, that's something that I thought that they might
Speaker 1: start to answer, and they still haven't done much with.
Speaker 3: They have Dylan going car shopping in one of the episodes,
Speaker 3: like what is he gonna pick out a new ninety five? Jenim,
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 1: What date? Is it? The times right now?
Speaker 2: And then again to refresh anyone's memories because it was
Speaker 2: three years, but I don't know how you could forget.
Speaker 2: We finished season one with Marx yelling she's alive, referring
Speaker 2: to Gemma, and then we cut to black and we
Speaker 2: waited three years. And I think again, what we already
Speaker 2: mentioned why season two might be superior is that note
Speaker 2: that we leave on, like the pulse of the season
Speaker 2: is up there the whole time.
Speaker 1: Also the finale of this season. Really you need to
Speaker 1: make a decision, you do, not what's on the screen,
Speaker 1: because on the screen for season one, it's an answer.
Speaker 1: What we have in this one is we have an
Speaker 1: action that then you either feel a certain way about
Speaker 1: you can't stand or you kind of understand, like it's
Speaker 1: it's more about like this is more of a talking
Speaker 1: point of a finale where like you're gonna have an
Speaker 1: opinion on it the finale in season one, it's pretty
Speaker 1: cut and dry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, that's a good way to summarize it.
Speaker 1: Want to do the nonagon, Yeah, let's do all right.
Speaker 1: Fun factor and this is really this is the funnest
Speaker 1: show going right now when it comes to watching it
Speaker 1: week to week and in the six days between seeing it,
Speaker 1: trying to understand and put pieces together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a great show
Speaker 2: to investigate things and like try to find stuff out
Speaker 2: without the help other people, and then you inevitably need it.
Speaker 2: I will say the plot of this season decidedly less
Speaker 2: fun than in season one. A lot more hide thinks
Speaker 2: in season one.
Speaker 1: I'll also say too, that this is a show that
Speaker 1: like you need to think about, like you think, think
Speaker 1: out what you think might happen, but then like you
Speaker 1: don't want to throw it at someone else because it
Speaker 1: might be stupid, Like you don't want.
Speaker 3: Someone else to think that you're stupid if it stakes.
Speaker 3: This was the most fun I've had in a long time,
Speaker 3: because it's been so long. Maybe the boys hit this
Speaker 3: every once in a while. A few years ago where
Speaker 3: I was excited for Thursday nights at nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: I would say, WandaVision was the last one where like
Speaker 1: there was the intrigue at the end of every episode
Speaker 1: where they led you into the next one. This is
Speaker 1: this is a better television show. Though, I'll just say
Speaker 1: that satisfactor, how satisfied are you? And the finale and
Speaker 1: we're not going to go deep into it right now,
Speaker 1: we'll get into it in spoilers had the most of
Speaker 1: me raising my eyebrows or going like this, give them
Speaker 1: like the whoopee glasses of like lower my head and
Speaker 1: saying that what like what what is happening? Yet everything
Speaker 1: builds to something that then you say at the end,
Speaker 1: I either like it, I understand it. I can't fucking
Speaker 1: stand that. Guy.
Speaker 3: I was cheering at points and I was yelling for
Speaker 3: people to go into rooms at points I was I
Speaker 3: was extremely satisfied and like active during the episode.
Speaker 2: You were like an audience member of our cinem I
Speaker 2: was like, are they doing that?
Speaker 1: Is that what they're doing right now? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, A truly great finale, and I think our next
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty minutes of conversation will decide whether
Speaker 2: I was satisfied by it or not, because I would say,
Speaker 2: going in, I'm not satisfied. But that's okay. I liked it,
Speaker 2: I like where it's going, but I'm actually tremendously frustrated
Speaker 2: with what happened.
Speaker 1: But that's what they want from you. They want that
Speaker 1: visceral reaction to what happened. Yes, exactly, borometer, were you
Speaker 1: bored during this season? Now? I will say this, and
Speaker 1: this is a nitpick, the Kobal episode. While I think
Speaker 1: the final five ish minutes did give you something satisfactory
Speaker 1: at the end, I did find it to be boring,
Speaker 1: but it's something that you do need on the show.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I if I'm allowed, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: winning writer what I would have done on that episode,
Speaker 1: because it was also the shortest episode of the season.
Speaker 1: I might have cut a b story into it. I
Speaker 1: might have just had maybe it go away from what
Speaker 1: she was doing a couple times to not have you
Speaker 1: focus entirely on that story. But that's just me. I'm
Speaker 1: a Nobel winning prize running writer.
Speaker 3: And an orator right there. No, I don't think it
Speaker 3: was super boring, even that episode. I think they did
Speaker 3: it purposefully to kind of slow you down and then
Speaker 3: speed you up. But I will say anybody who has
Speaker 3: a problem with it being like that, I get it. It.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the most riveting comparatively, but I kept pausing
Speaker 3: every five minutes to be like, all right, how much
Speaker 3: time we have left? Is what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah? In my mind, everything in this show means something,
Speaker 2: at least hopefully, So I was not bored at all.
Speaker 2: I was actually like, because I've been I've been waiting
Speaker 2: for it, Like koe Bell's built up so much in
Speaker 2: season one and then she kind of disappears, so like,
Speaker 2: we know she's coming back in and we need to
Speaker 2: know more about her. I was actually like, oh, I
Speaker 2: now understand her motivations, completely understand why she's so attached
Speaker 2: to things, and she's going to be a meaningful character
Speaker 2: big time in season three. So I thought it was
Speaker 2: not only necessary but actually fascinating for the character.
Speaker 1: Plus, you love huffing paint, so that fit you.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a big, big pastime of mine.
Speaker 1: Halloween. Will this wane over time and shows like this,
Speaker 1: I do feel it is gonna happen because you're losing
Speaker 1: that excitement of going from week to week and seeing
Speaker 1: it for the first time. So that's just a it's
Speaker 1: a natural thing for a show like this.
Speaker 2: For me, it won't.
Speaker 3: I have so many, you know, like potential future girlfriends.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show this too, hopefully, and I'll be just as.
Speaker 1: Successful in your accounts? Is that in your dating accounts?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you severance pretty much, Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: what Dahmer did when he sat all of his girls
Speaker 1: flipped on the TV to a certain television.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I said this in that podcast
Speaker 2: chat or maybe to you, gou, but my hope for
Speaker 2: this the end of the season was that it kind
Speaker 2: of ends up like the final three seasons of Breaking
Speaker 2: Bad three, four, five, or maybe four and five, where
Speaker 2: it's a massive explosion of a conclusion, but it is
Speaker 2: a little unsatisfying or is a little incomplete, and then
Speaker 2: we get an additional season that's a little separate but
Speaker 2: is also great in and of itself, and I think
Speaker 2: we may have gotten that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this feels more like the end of season three
Speaker 1: of Breaking Bad, because it seasons three and four felt
Speaker 1: like one long season or one long story. Yeah, whereas
Speaker 1: four to five you felt like you got that conclusion
Speaker 1: at the end of four.
Speaker 3: Season four of Breaking Bad didn't have a lot of
Speaker 3: places to go where I feel like this has a
Speaker 3: ton of place you can go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think maybe it's more comparable to season
Speaker 2: three of Breaking Bad.
Speaker 1: Then let's go to a quarter world. Does this movie
Speaker 1: or is this television show better than the nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: five classic water World?
Speaker 2: Get that cot out of my face?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner should pop up in this show, though preferably
Speaker 1: as a mermaid. When life gives you plemings, you make plemonade,
Speaker 1: And I ask you, Mack, who did that?
Speaker 2: Been a hard time deciding here, so maybe you guys
Speaker 2: can help me out with the plumbingade here. Every time
Speaker 2: Natalie pops up, he's great, and there's still a mystery
Speaker 2: surrounding her. Every scene Gretchen was in with Dylan was awesome.
Speaker 2: She acted her ass off. Doctor Mauer is terrifying, but
Speaker 2: also like you're intrigued as to why he so invested
Speaker 2: in certain things. Fields pops up for one episode and
Speaker 2: you're like, there's so many things going on here that
Speaker 2: are completely unexplained. And then you also had walkins Bert
Speaker 2: that only popped up a couple times this season, so
Speaker 2: maybe could qualify, as I would.
Speaker 3: Say Bert if it's if he counts. If not, definitely
Speaker 3: Fields Fields killed me because we're using protection down there,
Speaker 3: I'll tell.
Speaker 2: You that, and because there's still something there that like
Speaker 2: doesn't get really addressed at all in the finale. It's
Speaker 2: almost like purposefully unspoken about. So the Fields in Burt
Speaker 2: thing might be the leader there.
Speaker 1: Pants tensity, excite bike mania, what got you going from
Speaker 1: this show? It so like the last half hour of
Speaker 1: the season of that, like that is pure pants tent,
Speaker 1: whether it be confusing boners or exciting boners, it's really
Speaker 1: it is all pants tent. But there is some dialogue
Speaker 1: in this season, mainly by Milchick that fucking killed me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the miltcheck stuff was great, But I'm telling you
Speaker 2: one of the more satisfying moments in recent television history
Speaker 2: is when Irving is drowning Helly and Seth has to
Speaker 2: take out the walkie talkie.
Speaker 1: Do it, Seth?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was so good. It was like I got
Speaker 2: like chills watching it. I was so happy, so satisfied
Speaker 2: because us as viewers, especially US three, had sniffed that out.
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of people that didn't, and
Speaker 2: that was must have been a mind blowing moment for
Speaker 2: him where it's just really satisfying for us.
Speaker 3: The cold Harbor room entrance and that little exit from there.
Speaker 3: That was it for me because that's what you're waiting
Speaker 3: for and you got it.
Speaker 2: And then you also have a couple other things in here,
Speaker 2: like every time we go deeper in this lumin building
Speaker 2: and property, you're like, what's what are the possibilities here?
Speaker 2: I loved the Mark conversation with himself and the finale
Speaker 2: that was great as well some of.
Speaker 3: The best editing I've ever seen storytelling wise, it was brilliant.
Speaker 2: It was awesome. And then even though Goo maybe didn't
Speaker 2: care for the episode, what the Kobel episode gives us
Speaker 2: informationally is kind of a pantch tent.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that I did not care for it.
Speaker 1: I said, if I'm allowed to nitpick on this hour
Speaker 1: long podcast, that's what I said, with sure, sure, Sure. Also,
Speaker 1: I think maybe the hardest that I have laughed at
Speaker 1: anything in a long time is when Miltchik is asked
Speaker 1: or told to apologize for using a big word Max
Speaker 1: credit Union, Max, who are you giving credit to.
Speaker 2: To me, it's an easy, easy decit in here. Britt
Speaker 2: Lauer pulling double duty and purposefully trying to throw off
Speaker 2: the audience and the people in the show was unbelievable,
Speaker 2: and like again at the end, there's a big common
Speaker 2: station to be had about what's actually going on there.
Speaker 2: I just think she was amazing. If she doesn't win
Speaker 2: an Emmy for her role this season, we riot.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see multiple emmys from the cast.
Speaker 1: I think you might see three emmys. Adam Scott. What's
Speaker 1: the fellow's name that plays Milchik, Trammel, Tillman, I would
Speaker 1: say him, and then Helly. I think all three of
Speaker 1: them will.
Speaker 2: I wonder if she gets supporting her lead. She should
Speaker 2: be a lead, but she might end up being.
Speaker 1: It might be supporting.
Speaker 3: She should be up for lead. You can have a
Speaker 3: female and a male lead.
Speaker 1: Right could the best supporting actor? Could they lose votes
Speaker 1: to each other? Is it like MVP?
Speaker 2: No, because I think because it's probably female male right.
Speaker 1: So now what I'm saying though, is I think that
Speaker 1: like Dylan g and Tudor Row also need to be
Speaker 1: considered as well.
Speaker 3: That happened a lot and lost yeah, people would get
Speaker 3: like a massive cast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to that point as well, through the first four episodes,
Speaker 2: Irving was the MVP.
Speaker 1: He was. He was amazing in that. And I because
Speaker 1: the season we say, we say the season is long,
Speaker 1: it's only ten episodes, but because the season is you know,
Speaker 1: longer than what we got, like you almost forgot.
Speaker 2: The episodes, but it's like eight or nine hours, you know.
Speaker 1: It's also like it's a lot to ingest in your
Speaker 1: brain as well, so like you almost forget about tut
Speaker 1: Row in this season.
Speaker 2: It's a good point.
Speaker 3: And I would say if you did a tabulation of
Speaker 3: Milchek's time on screen, it's probably pretty low. He does
Speaker 3: a lot with a little in that episode where he's
Speaker 3: just streaming in the Mira. He's in that episode for
Speaker 3: like five minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable job done.
Speaker 1: Are you saying right now that he's a bit of
Speaker 1: a beatle juice, he's a bit of an animal lecter.
Speaker 3: He's not probably tallied more than fifteen minutes in any
Speaker 3: given episode, maybe say Woa Woa's hollow. He's only in
Speaker 3: those little scenes and he is standing out above everybody.
Speaker 2: That's a very strong point for.
Speaker 1: Those of you Tarty to the Mac and Goo party.
Speaker 1: We rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system.
Speaker 1: We just talked about all of this. I think this
Speaker 1: is the best when it comes to week to week intrigue.
Speaker 1: This is forty dogs. The acting is amazing, The thought
Speaker 1: in this show is amazing. The writing is very good.
Speaker 1: It's funny, it's intriguing. It's just weird enough. It does
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm not in love with the goat stuff. We're
Speaker 1: gonna find out more about the goat stuff, I think,
Speaker 1: but this is just good. Put your phone down, shut
Speaker 1: the fuck up. If you're sitting with someone else, we're
Speaker 1: watching Severance.
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to give it forty for a couple
Speaker 2: of reasons. But if you go back to Halloween and
Speaker 2: we're talking about breaking bad, how the next couple seasons
Speaker 2: build into what those seasons built, maybe it does go
Speaker 2: up a dog. My initial reaction was thirty eight. I
Speaker 2: gave Season one thirty six. I wanted to say thirty
Speaker 2: eight on this. I might be thirty nine because it
Speaker 2: has dominated my brain space and my mind so much
Speaker 2: since I've watched the finale. But there's also few things
Speaker 2: I actually don't like, and we'll get into it in spoilers,
Speaker 2: but again they could be purposeful. We just don't know
Speaker 2: that yet. So I'll go thirty nine with the possibility
Speaker 2: of it going up or down a dog.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go forty one just to even and op
Speaker 3: for everybody. It's perfect and not only all the things
Speaker 3: that Goo said about this show. This cinematography and editing
Speaker 3: is world class, some of the best I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: The Gema flashback episode was one of the best television
Speaker 3: episodes period, from every aspect of it, literally every aspect
Speaker 3: was beautiful.
Speaker 2: That reminded me of the what was an episode three
Speaker 2: of The Last of Us when they tell that love
Speaker 2: story within that world too?
Speaker 1: Like that was that was next Live also started the
Speaker 1: season with that running sequence that took them like five months.
Speaker 1: That was completely worth it. What a way to start
Speaker 1: the season and set up the season too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so to you, I'm not like so the quality
Speaker 2: of the show is there. However, when you when you're
Speaker 2: dealing with like sci fi and some time slipping, sometimes
Speaker 2: things might not connect. And that's all I'm leaving open
Speaker 2: there is.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a rationally mad in like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: What a way to sit on the fence by the
Speaker 1: way being like, I'm thirty nine, but I could be forty.
Speaker 2: It's the best season of television I watched this season
Speaker 2: one of the Last of Us. Last of Us was
Speaker 2: a forty dog season.
Speaker 1: It's okay to have two forty dog seasons.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't know if you was there for me.
Speaker 1: Shall we get to spoilers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's spiler spilers episodes real quick. If you really
Speaker 2: want full episode breakdowns, go listen to Billy on hashtag
Speaker 2: door the Other Billy literally they did it weekly. We'll
Speaker 2: name the episode real quick. If you want to chime
Speaker 2: in with something here, please do uh. The season opener
Speaker 2: was Hello and Miss Kobell. This is where Mark comes
Speaker 2: into the office with a new team.
Speaker 1: The opening running sequence is amazing in there, and I
Speaker 1: did think that at some point in the season they
Speaker 1: would bring back that other cast of characters to do something.
Speaker 1: But I'm also final with them using them as just
Speaker 1: like a throwaway and they don't mean anything.
Speaker 3: Great easter egg though, for maybe when she's like our
Speaker 3: our robots, like we're animatronic and they moved and then
Speaker 3: in the last episode he's moving around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. I didn't even catch that episode two,
Speaker 2: Goodbye Miss selvig Audi, Mark contemplates the meaning of a message.
Speaker 2: Looman is grappling with the fallout from the overtime contingency,
Speaker 2: and what we also find out in these first two
Speaker 2: episodes is they straight up lied to Mark. It hasn't
Speaker 2: been five months, you know, there was they didn't make
Speaker 2: it into the paper, like they're just trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: get Mark back to work.
Speaker 3: This was the biggest o shit in moments besides the
Speaker 3: end of season one, of the whole series to this point,
Speaker 3: because you're finding out so much about everybody, especially like
Speaker 3: Dylan and Milcheck and what's going on with them. This
Speaker 3: was a great episode, one of I would say the
Speaker 3: top four of the series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the early the first four episodes is a lot
Speaker 1: of them trying to build the trust back up between
Speaker 1: each other, Dylan having the existential crisis of like what
Speaker 1: is the point of what I'm doing in here? And
Speaker 1: you also find out the backstory of him like kind
Speaker 1: of being a loser, yeah, not having that same personality
Speaker 1: on the outside knowing, and I think his character really
Speaker 1: does sell the fact that it's two different people, it's
Speaker 1: an inside and an outside and they have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with each other, and it's.
Speaker 2: It's funny to think about too, like you would say
Speaker 2: that Mark Helly and Irving, although their innies and outies
Speaker 2: are different, a lot of the same character notes, whereas
Speaker 2: Doing's they were completely different. And from the beginning of
Speaker 2: season one to the ends of season two, his any
Speaker 2: probably changes the most.
Speaker 3: Well, he seems like he was beaten down by a
Speaker 3: wife and children, and he used to be like it's.
Speaker 1: Who among us? No also, and well, we also got
Speaker 1: these first couple episodes of so you're saying he's a
Speaker 1: night god. No, oh, yes, Tudoro kind of slipping into
Speaker 1: like a walk in a little bit when he was
Speaker 1: doing it. But the two of them on the screen
Speaker 1: together later on was also great.
Speaker 2: Episode three, Who was Alive? The Squad's all back together
Speaker 2: at Lumen uh, and they're like, finally all on the
Speaker 2: same page, trying to figure out what Lumen could be
Speaker 2: up to. But more and more in the back of
Speaker 2: your mind, you're like, Helly's Helena's behind enemy lions here,
Speaker 2: this is Lena, this is not Helly. So they need
Speaker 2: to watch what they're doing and saying you sure about that?
Speaker 2: Woes hollow episode four. This is the retreat they go on,
Speaker 2: which I guess presumably we have to assume it's in
Speaker 2: the building somewhere. I don't think they're outside.
Speaker 3: I don't know. The building goes forever. That's also what
Speaker 3: we discovered because I guarantee you it goes to the
Speaker 3: Egans house when they show that shot. It goes forever.
Speaker 1: They also have the protocols where they can switch them
Speaker 1: to the innies on the outside as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like with some of the physics of
Speaker 2: what's going on on the outside. It doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: it's outside, But again, we don't know what actual world
Speaker 2: we're in. This is where Mark fucks Helena and you
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, he's getting flashbacks of Gemma. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: this is where Irving finally outs Helly as Helena because
Speaker 2: he says, and I think we should remember this when
Speaker 2: we get to the finale, Helly was never cruel and
Speaker 2: it's such a It's it's not like something that she like,
Speaker 2: it's who Helly is. And I know once we get
Speaker 2: to the finale and he's are making a change in general,
Speaker 2: but I think we should remember that also.
Speaker 1: While this show gets horny in a couple of these episodes.
Speaker 1: This is one of the unsexiest shows of all time.
Speaker 2: In terms of like colors and what they're wearing.
Speaker 1: In terms of like the sex, it's not very sexy.
Speaker 3: It's pretty cold, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Thought it was pretty hot.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? That was pretty accurate. Last
Speaker 2: about thirty seconds under a tables Trojan's horse Irving's gone.
Speaker 2: Milchik gets his progress report and is this the episode
Speaker 2: where Helena meets Mark in the restaurant. Yes, yeah, that
Speaker 2: was the big thing there, really creepy scene there Milchick
Speaker 2: getting his progress report and it being like laming, like
Speaker 2: it being so like that I love about this shows
Speaker 2: all the underlying stuff is like like, I don't even
Speaker 2: know how to describe that. It's just it was unbelievable,
Speaker 2: Like that was laugh out loud seeing him getting that pan.
Speaker 3: Oh, and then the if it takes over three hours,
Speaker 3: we'll order lunch. I hope it won't take over three hours.
Speaker 3: Here's the lunch menu. Just like that's perfect workplace comedy stuff.
Speaker 1: His reaction to this stuff is just so good as well.
Speaker 3: It's fucking great and the best part about him still
Speaker 3: you don't know what his motivations externally are which is
Speaker 3: a theory of mind coming later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that and that's gonna hange upon whether my
Speaker 2: score may go up or down this season in the future,
Speaker 2: because I was pretty bummed to see his actions at
Speaker 2: the at the end of the season, episode six Attila.
Speaker 2: This is where Mark now bangs Helly, he's now double
Speaker 2: dipped Irving, goes to dinner at Bert's. We meet Fields
Speaker 2: and this is also the episode in which Mark officially
Speaker 2: decides to reintegrate give her Gabby everything she needs to do.
Speaker 3: This might be the Chinese food moment, because that's when
Speaker 3: he does break.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is that episode, Episode seven, Chickai Bardo. This
Speaker 2: is the episode Billy was talking about. This is Mark
Speaker 2: and Jemma's backstory. It's incredibly well done. It's emotional, it's sad,
Speaker 2: it's and it gives us because we've this whole season.
Speaker 2: End of season one, she's alive. We're talking about Gemma.
Speaker 2: We're really trying to figure out what the fuck's going
Speaker 2: on with jem since that moment. Yeah, and what's going
Speaker 2: on what happened between her and Mark, And we get
Speaker 2: most of that.
Speaker 3: And you get the whole testing floor and all that shit,
Speaker 3: all those rooms that she has twenty five, twenty four
Speaker 3: different personalities, how important she is to this process? And
Speaker 3: you also, somebody pointed this out, get a couple other
Speaker 3: like sheltery rooms that are in that area, which means
Speaker 3: they're probably other people.
Speaker 2: Just like, Yeah, that's a question that is definitely raised
Speaker 2: by what the hell the other MDR people are doing
Speaker 2: are they? Are they facilitating Mark's work or are they
Speaker 2: working on other people? Right? And we won't have that
Speaker 2: answer for a bit.
Speaker 1: Do all of those other people also have to do
Speaker 1: with Mark?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. That's that's like one of the
Speaker 2: bigger mysteries still surrounding.
Speaker 1: What does the brother in law have to do with this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: That's the biggest miss from this entire series because Ricken
Speaker 3: in season one would have been my plemonade, maybe my MVP.
Speaker 3: He's one of the naturally most funny characters on TV.
Speaker 1: Ever, well, especially when they reached out to him about
Speaker 1: the book almost being gospel and changing some stuff around
Speaker 1: for Lumin. I'm like, right, does he have something to
Speaker 1: do with Lumin?
Speaker 3: I read the book. It seems like from the book
Speaker 3: nothing but the way he switched so quickly something.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Billy, can you please step back and see
Speaker 1: and Natalie is in.
Speaker 2: Natalie goes to Devin and Rickens home like there's fucking something.
Speaker 2: There's something there. And I'm not saying Devin really changed
Speaker 2: her actions, but the fact that she was willing to
Speaker 2: leave her infant son for two days and Ricken and
Speaker 2: like that was fine. That was fucking weird too.
Speaker 3: Her facial acting throughout the course of the last few
Speaker 3: episodes leads me to believe she's up to something.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. And she was so
Speaker 2: quick to go to Cabell too.
Speaker 1: Billy. What was in the book?
Speaker 3: So it's basically the beginning of his life and his
Speaker 3: life's story, and that he was actually closer to Jimma
Speaker 3: than Mark was, and that him and Mark have always
Speaker 3: had a little friction. They had a huge falling out
Speaker 3: after the death of her because he basically said, you're
Speaker 3: a joke. She didn't even like you. We made fun
Speaker 3: of you all the time type of stuff. But he
Speaker 3: was also birthed by two like performance artists, mother and
Speaker 3: father there abandoned their group was called Hump Dumpster. So
Speaker 3: he's like an odd guy like the reason he's so
Speaker 3: weird is because his parents are so weird. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if that whole autobiotgrag like the uu are
Speaker 3: is like fake and he's just like allumin Plant all along.
Speaker 3: But if he he's true to the book, he's a wacky, wild,
Speaker 3: crazy guy. But the fact that he switched so quickly,
Speaker 3: I'm with Mac. It doesn't make any sense because from
Speaker 3: season one to season two he seems like the kind
Speaker 3: of guy you would never get to switch. He's like
Speaker 3: one of those Apple employees you walk in and like
Speaker 3: he's just like that kind of guy.
Speaker 1: That's like I could see him switch in the way
Speaker 1: of like, you know, being a sellout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they seem like.
Speaker 2: Yes, But there's also something like why Devin even chose
Speaker 2: Rick first place, Right, there's just something.
Speaker 1: Weird because the way that he writes speaks to the
Speaker 1: people on the inside because they're all dummies. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they're all idiots.
Speaker 2: No, I get that aspect, that aspect I could buy.
Speaker 3: The other thing is outside his words in the book
Speaker 3: actually have a lot of depth, Like they're not just
Speaker 3: like silly words. It's I didn't actually read it, not
Speaker 3: the podcast audio book.
Speaker 1: I was so excited about that.
Speaker 3: No, I don't read are kidding me?
Speaker 2: Episode eight, Sweet Vitriol. This is Cobel's backstory. We learned
Speaker 2: that Harmony Cobell was the inventor of Severance, and essentially
Speaker 2: Luhman stole her work, patented her work. And so really
Speaker 2: why she's so invested is because it's her work. It's
Speaker 2: Luman by name, but it's what she developed and she's
Speaker 2: and this is why she's so invested. You find out
Speaker 2: the end of season one with Regabi and reintegration because
Speaker 2: it's probably shit she was also working on that got
Speaker 2: halted by Lumen. So she's just intrigued by the I
Speaker 2: think the scientific aspects of everything because her work got
Speaker 2: stopped and halted by Luman, taken over by Luman.
Speaker 3: I think they've perverted it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that's part of it too, right, So
Speaker 2: I think her I think the majority of her interest
Speaker 2: I think is scientific, and I think prior to this episode,
Speaker 2: reread into her as being like a really bad person
Speaker 2: when you find find out where she grew up, like
Speaker 2: she was trying to do really good things because of
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: She grew up and she wanted to start a throupple
Speaker 1: with Mark.
Speaker 3: It's true, even though Mark has a few throubles going on.
Speaker 3: And in the finale you get a key little thing
Speaker 3: from her where Mark's about to leave as any Mark
Speaker 3: and he goes, you know, if you care about your
Speaker 3: brother blah blah blah, and she's like, Mark, I care
Speaker 3: for you. And it was almost needless if she doesn't
Speaker 3: have some sort of connection to him, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Other than just the fact of the severance Chip,
Speaker 3: I think she was behind the whole gym of kidnapping
Speaker 3: and car accident and like getting them to be together,
Speaker 3: because hey, the only way this is gonna work to
Speaker 3: map somebody is if we get a couple in love
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, also we didn't even mention this. We have the
Speaker 1: whole the Any Dylan cocking Audi Dylan as well, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, which that's a would you be jealous of your
Speaker 2: own self?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And I also so different people and we're getting to
Speaker 2: this and here the actual finale, I loved the contrast
Speaker 2: that Dylan's Any was actually or Dylan's Audi was actually
Speaker 2: pretty thoughtful and forgiving to his Any. And then you
Speaker 2: have the two Marks basically screaming at each other.
Speaker 1: Which I think is going to lead into and this
Speaker 1: is my theory, like midway through the year was that
Speaker 1: by the end of this show there will be no
Speaker 1: more Audi Dylan. Any Dylan will just take over the
Speaker 1: Dylan life.
Speaker 2: It seems to me that Audi Dylan may have made
Speaker 2: a change though, like he may have like I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're also in love with the same person though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Mark and Mark are in love with different people.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: I also think we're already watching somebody who is only
Speaker 3: an inny, and I think that is Melchick. I think
Speaker 3: his Audi has been removed and that is why you
Speaker 3: don't really see his external motivations because it's probably pretty
Speaker 3: fucking sad. Yeah, I think we'll get to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's something that looms large Episode nine,
Speaker 2: the after hours Devin was seeking out, Gobell finally gets
Speaker 2: in contact with her brings Mark Tucabell. They go to
Speaker 2: that cabin. In this episode, we also get uh, what's
Speaker 2: his face? The big dude?
Speaker 3: Oh Drummond.
Speaker 2: Drummond telling Milchek to apologize, and Miltchik says devour feculence.
Speaker 3: And means each shit.
Speaker 2: I say.
Speaker 3: This is basically a two part finale because it's so interconnected,
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, and uh like.
Speaker 2: Like the drive and like the build up of getting
Speaker 2: to that cabin, which it was a great idea and
Speaker 2: then dropping that in in season one knowing it was
Speaker 2: going to play back now is awesome. And I find
Speaker 2: it interesting that, Like I guess that so because like
Speaker 2: Jemma has twenty five personalities, right, so if she would
Speaker 2: go to the cabin, she would be Miss Casey. So
Speaker 2: it's like very calculated as to which one would pop up,
Speaker 2: you know. It's it's interesting, like to which door they
Speaker 2: would go through matters, But we didn't really get into
Speaker 2: that too much. Uh So, finally we get to the
Speaker 2: finale episode ten, Cold Harbor, and let me let me
Speaker 2: start by saying, I fucking hated the ending. I hated
Speaker 2: the ending. I love you so much.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I love we get.
Speaker 2: We spend two seasons, we're a season and a half
Speaker 2: wondering about Miss Casey. We finally figure out where Gemma is,
Speaker 2: how to get there. We freed Gemma in fantastic fashion
Speaker 2: that twenty to thirty minutes when he goes into Cold
Speaker 2: Harbor and he pulls her out and she turns back
Speaker 2: in to Gemma and he's Mark because that's a different floor. Amazing, amazing,
Speaker 2: amazing moment, really satisfying, and he does what he's supposed
Speaker 2: to do. He gets her out that door. And I'm
Speaker 2: also wondering, I'm sure she picks up as they they're
Speaker 2: running through or as she's looking back through the glass.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know Mark severed until maybe the moment at
Speaker 2: the very end. Maybe she's she's she's putting two and
Speaker 2: two together. But that's interesting that he never even mentioned
Speaker 2: to her before they went up, like, hey, by the way,
Speaker 2: I'm severed. When we get to this floor, I guess
Speaker 2: you wouldn't remembercau she's miss Casey, but she would have
Speaker 2: remembered when she got out, So that was kind of
Speaker 2: pretty convenient. I really that bothered the ship out of me,
Speaker 2: because if you're Mark, you would tell her you were severed.
Speaker 3: I don't know, But you also don't know what Jim
Speaker 3: and knows down there. She might know because she's like,
Speaker 3: do I get to see Mark? Then she might be
Speaker 3: able to know that Mark's up.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a very I see your plight.
Speaker 2: I think I would have told her on the way up,
Speaker 2: as we hit the elevator. By the way, I'm severed.
Speaker 1: Do you just freedom and explain the whole plan because
Speaker 1: they're in the building.
Speaker 2: Though they're still in the building, so it matters.
Speaker 1: He's excited to see her and get her out of
Speaker 1: the buildings.
Speaker 2: Bothered me.
Speaker 1: The adrenaline. Thank you, Billy, the adrenaline.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think for us. You can't even operate
Speaker 3: your keys when you're like that adrenaline pumped up.
Speaker 1: Time out.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you just tell her right before you
Speaker 2: smooch's going up. Hey, By the way, I'm severed, that
Speaker 2: might matter, and she'll figure it out. She's been there too,
Speaker 2: because she won't even know. I know, but when she
Speaker 2: goes back through the glass, she doesn't know, which makes
Speaker 2: it even more heartbreaking. I do think she puts it
Speaker 2: together because she's not stupid. I think she figures it out.
Speaker 2: We get that look from Helly at the end, as
Speaker 2: Mark's already gone past the corner. She looks specifically at
Speaker 2: Gemma and she pulls a Helena move. She acted like
Speaker 2: a Helly would never ever ever do that? Now they do?
Speaker 2: They do spend the episode in this whole innings revolt,
Speaker 2: and they're making decisions for themselves. But if she really
Speaker 2: cared for Mark and she knows Jemma's the wife, she
Speaker 2: should have pushed Mark. Helly should have pushed Mark to Gemma.
Speaker 3: She did that in the verbal conversation they have at
Speaker 3: the desk, because I think that was Helly that she does.
Speaker 3: There is a really good theory, like she says, me
Speaker 3: to the equator. Lumen is the actual equator in their logo,
Speaker 3: which is kind of a cool little tie in there,
Speaker 3: and that door is supposedly the equator of the entire building,
Speaker 3: separating the in from the out. So when she says
Speaker 3: meet me at the equator, they're talking about right there.
Speaker 3: And if you go back and look at Helly's look,
Speaker 3: it is a little bit of a fuck you. But
Speaker 3: what on rewatch? It's not as damning as like, hey bitch,
Speaker 3: I got your man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 3: Not. It's quick and it's not as bad as you think.
Speaker 3: First viewing, I was like, oh shit, I will Mark
Speaker 3: arave owner.
Speaker 2: I think that she spends this episode partially as Helly
Speaker 2: and partially as Helena. I don't think she's Elena the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 3: I think that does possible.
Speaker 2: That does coincide with a couple things that will have
Speaker 2: to happen. You know, after milk check goes out, he
Speaker 2: either has to contact someone or activate the Glasgow block
Speaker 2: himself so that she becomes Helena, so that he's not
Speaker 2: fighting a losing battle by himself. He now has another person.
Speaker 1: I think it might have all been Helena, and I
Speaker 1: think that part of what they might have been trying
Speaker 1: to do is now Mark, he might never leave the building.
Speaker 1: Mark might want to stay in that building because as
Speaker 1: soon as Mark leaves, he's never going to go back.
Speaker 2: So to that point, we do open the episode with
Speaker 2: Helena's father basically saying he prefers Helly so that there
Speaker 2: also is the chance that he somehow has the power
Speaker 2: to flip them. Now Helene is down there and Helly
Speaker 2: will be the oudie because he likes what the like
Speaker 2: the spunk in Helly compared to Helly will never do that.
Speaker 3: I think the theory that machine, Yeah, I think her
Speaker 3: switching at the very end is a pretty good theory,
Speaker 3: like just for that moment because to your point about
Speaker 3: the door, when she's escaping from the door in the
Speaker 3: early season, she can come in and out freely, right,
Speaker 3: but then when she tries to break out of it,
Speaker 3: she can't.
Speaker 2: So that's that was the next point. I'm glad you
Speaker 2: brought that up. So now Jema's on the outside of
Speaker 2: that door, and the last time we saw anything with
Speaker 2: his door, someone could come right back in. Now maybe
Speaker 2: that's because Helena can get in wherever the hell she wants,
Speaker 2: which is a possibility, but that there's also something a
Speaker 2: little fast and loose there, like why couldn't yeumma just
Speaker 2: open that door.
Speaker 3: The creators might look at you and go like, come on, guy,
Speaker 3: or they might have a deeper meaning for it. In
Speaker 3: later seasons. I loved that Mark walks away with Helly
Speaker 3: because to me, for me, when you think about it,
Speaker 3: really this show is still about like workplace and corporate slaves,
Speaker 3: and Mark created his own slave, and then he slighted
Speaker 3: him at the beginning of the episode being like, hey,
Speaker 3: I know you have your own little thing down there,
Speaker 3: imagine that. But by one hundred, it's like, dude, you
Speaker 3: created me. You gave me this little slice of life,
Speaker 3: which Helly says, and I think that means that's really
Speaker 3: herd down there, because she's the most poignant thing, like
Speaker 3: you gave us this little slice of life and you
Speaker 3: expect us not to fight for it. Then he walks
Speaker 3: away with her, And to me, he has every right
Speaker 3: to do that. He fulfilled his job, he freed Gemma,
Speaker 3: and he's kind of useless. Now Drummond was gonna kill
Speaker 3: him and like without thinking about it, so they're gonna
Speaker 3: have to. My theory is they create a revolution with
Speaker 3: the band and they try to take over the floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like it's so fruitless and like shortsighted when
Speaker 2: they've spent two seasons building out a really well thought
Speaker 2: out thing. And so they're gonna run down the hall
Speaker 2: for three minutes and then get caught.
Speaker 1: No, now Mark is forever, So Mark never wants to
Speaker 1: leave again. Mark wants going to have to You don't
Speaker 1: know that now, Yes, now, because any and Autie Mark
Speaker 1: had this deal. It's not gonna let Mark just run
Speaker 1: around the buildings. It's not run around the building. Done
Speaker 1: with it, it's not run around the building. This might
Speaker 1: have been what the purpose of what they wanted. They
Speaker 1: wanted him to forever be there and now they can
Speaker 1: move on to a new plan.
Speaker 3: I don't think Drummond would have snuffed him out like
Speaker 3: Drummond was gonna kill him with no hesitation.
Speaker 2: Because they're done with no better.
Speaker 1: They also might have known that he had the ability
Speaker 1: to take out the fucking giant. You gotta slay the
Speaker 1: giant to save the princess.
Speaker 2: My man. You know, Artistically, them running away down the
Speaker 2: hall in this sort of whimsical, crazy dream like sequence,
Speaker 2: i'llah of the graduate is like fun in good story wise.
Speaker 2: But to your point, Billy, you know about the Ennis
Speaker 2: and this workplace thing, and there is a bigger meaning
Speaker 2: for what this show is about. But what this show
Speaker 2: is about to me, or what it became, is Mark
Speaker 2: and Jemma. To me, it became that and not.
Speaker 3: What maybe they're going off to Romeo and Juliette themselves.
Speaker 2: And that's that's why I'm so upset, because I was
Speaker 2: rooting for this Mark and Jemma thing the whole time,
Speaker 2: and but.
Speaker 1: We we go, yeah, but Matt, you as you also
Speaker 1: rooted for Jim and Pam, and then look what happened there.
Speaker 1: It ruined the show. To the ruined the.
Speaker 3: Show, I think it's okay because one this show is
Speaker 3: going to go in a million different directions, and you
Speaker 3: don't know my theory is that mil Check on the
Speaker 3: top of that thing screams out I'm an indie as well,
Speaker 3: and they literally all band together and they try to
Speaker 3: take out Lumen that way, Like, there's no way it's
Speaker 3: going to be as simple as Mark and Helly get
Speaker 3: killed and the show's over right, something cool is.
Speaker 1: Going to be an amazing season for me of season three.
Speaker 2: Well, so if you look at like I guess, for
Speaker 2: lack of a better terms of battle lines you have,
Speaker 2: we don't even know if gem is gonna make it
Speaker 2: out of the building, which also pisses me off.
Speaker 1: She will, Yeah, that was my first question. Do you
Speaker 1: guys think that she makes it out of the building.
Speaker 1: Probably I think so too. And then the season three
Speaker 1: is her trying to get Mark out?
Speaker 2: Well, you have Kobell, Regabi, Devin Ricken on the outside
Speaker 2: and maybe some others, and then you have the Innie
Speaker 2: still in. There's just no conceivable way that Luhman is
Speaker 2: going to want Mark in the building, and they control
Speaker 2: enough other severed people to make anything happen.
Speaker 1: But Mark is the key.
Speaker 2: No, he's not not any more. He's done. They're done
Speaker 2: with Mark.
Speaker 1: That would just be a different Now the whole point
Speaker 1: of Cole Harbor.
Speaker 3: I kind of agree with that part of it. So
Speaker 3: I do think they're just gonna go around and free
Speaker 3: all the innies and be like, hey, we don't have
Speaker 3: to take this shit anymore and free the other departments.
Speaker 3: Like look, how big fucking Also, the fact that they
Speaker 3: pulled out the ninety six Bulls intro music was one
Speaker 3: of the magest moments in television history. Hands down.
Speaker 1: That was one of the moments where my eyebrows raised
Speaker 1: up and I'm like, wait, are we doing this thistomenal?
Speaker 2: So let's get to the cabin conversations, because there's multiple
Speaker 2: and they're very meaningful, but also bothered the shit out
Speaker 2: of me. Is Mark having this Anyadi conversation on a
Speaker 2: cam quarder when they have smartphones? What was that?
Speaker 3: But do they have cameras on those smartphones?
Speaker 2: I mean so.
Speaker 1: Also, we've seen every time that Helena has speaken to
Speaker 1: Helly season one, it would always be with the cam quarder.
Speaker 2: Well because she wouldn't have a phone when she was down.
Speaker 1: There, right, But I think they're just trying to keep
Speaker 1: the continuity of what they've already been doing.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I didn't care for that. It was
Speaker 2: bothered shit out of me. We get the confirmation of
Speaker 2: the tempers here from Kobell talking to any Mark, and
Speaker 2: we learned that the MDR numbers are the building blocks
Speaker 2: of people's minds. So Mark has completed twenty five files.
Speaker 2: It's twenty five different gemas down on that hell floor.
Speaker 2: But that begs the question, then, what are the other
Speaker 2: three MDR workers doing. Are they supporting Mark's work? Are
Speaker 2: they helping facilitate all of his files the twenty five gemas?
Speaker 2: Or are Dylan, Irving and Helly working on other things?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 1: Are they feeding Marx files? Right?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know?
Speaker 3: So in season one they say Mark had a freshman
Speaker 3: fluke and he refined more files faster than anybody ever.
Speaker 3: They also say that one in five files expires. So
Speaker 3: I think they're all working on people, and they're just
Speaker 3: not as good as Mark is because Mark has such
Speaker 3: a strong connection with who he's doing it for, and
Speaker 3: he finally got to the twenty five quota where they
Speaker 3: were gonna pull it out of her killer and sell
Speaker 3: it as the prototype.
Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, that's I could believe that. It's just that's
Speaker 2: another where they answered a question. Now we had three,
Speaker 2: four to five more questions because of the answer we got.
Speaker 2: We get Devin and Audi Mark being pretty much cold
Speaker 2: to any Mark like you mentioned, which I do think
Speaker 2: properly motivates him for the decision he makes at the end.
Speaker 2: I just hated it. We get the robot absolutely ethering
Speaker 2: Milcheck here the Egan robot, and then of course we
Speaker 2: get the choreography of meariment with this marching band sequence,
Speaker 2: which I don't know why it's there, but again in
Speaker 2: season one we had a lot of weird parties, so
Speaker 2: I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's for the internet.
Speaker 2: It was awesome.
Speaker 1: It's for the Internet. It's for making memes and for
Speaker 1: making videos. They know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Also, Milcheck running out of the room after.
Speaker 2: That was dynamic.
Speaker 3: He said that he just did it for fun in
Speaker 3: one of the takes and he's like, when I watched
Speaker 3: the finale, I couldn't believe they used that, And he's like,
Speaker 3: I guess it made sense.
Speaker 2: The other big revelation we get many of them in
Speaker 2: this episode. I guess Cold Harbor is the cradle room.
Speaker 2: It is one version of any Gemma having to disassemble
Speaker 2: the crib model which was called Cold Harbor back in
Speaker 2: episode seven, and see if it would you know, break
Speaker 2: the block or whatever in there, and that is just
Speaker 2: so low, yeah, so low. So they're playing their song too,
Speaker 2: like yeah, it's just brutal, just like that is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And then that sequence we get after that, we get
Speaker 2: Oudie mark OUTI Gemma. Well we get Cold Harbor Gemma,
Speaker 2: Audie Mark, Oudie mark OUTI Gemma, and then we get
Speaker 2: miss Casey any Mark and then we get OUTI Gemma
Speaker 2: any Mark. Like that dynamic was really cool to play with.
Speaker 2: And obviously you know the couple deaths that happen along
Speaker 2: the way, like.
Speaker 3: Trumm and getting his brains blown out is phenomenal, so
Speaker 3: satisfying and.
Speaker 2: Like a really creative way to do it, like you
Speaker 2: didn't want to kill him, but because of that it
Speaker 2: was it was just perfect. What do we think was
Speaker 2: the point of the twenty five gemas? Why twenty? Like
Speaker 2: why not just like one or ten? Like I don't
Speaker 2: understand why this might be. And one of the prevailing
Speaker 2: Internet theories is that they're testing this number or or
Speaker 2: this amount on Gemma because ultimately they're going to implement
Speaker 2: something like this on Helly so she can carry all
Speaker 2: the consciousnesses of the egans. Interesting because why were they
Speaker 2: doing so many So I thought.
Speaker 3: That this was going to be the prototype they sell
Speaker 3: as the severance chip to people who are like, Okay,
Speaker 3: so you want to go to the dentist and not
Speaker 3: remember it, we have a chip for that. You want
Speaker 3: to do this, we have a chip for that.
Speaker 2: That's what you can feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once again Adam Sandler's click.
Speaker 2: I also and we talked about this a little bit
Speaker 2: via text. What was the death of that goat gonna accomplish?
Speaker 2: It's just strictly I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure that they'll explain it further, but it's almost just
Speaker 1: too it's just too much. That's always the animal that's
Speaker 1: tied to sacrificial with so many of the religions that
Speaker 1: that almost just seems like the go to, right I.
Speaker 3: Guess, so, yeah, I I just it was a weird
Speaker 3: thing because the prevailing theory before was that the goat
Speaker 3: brain and the human brain are similar. But that's a
Speaker 3: baby goat and then she's gonna shoot it right in
Speaker 3: the fucking hand.
Speaker 2: So yeah, And I'm wondering now that they just if
Speaker 2: they just introduced that aspect of Lumen so that they
Speaker 2: could bring them up there, so that she could help
Speaker 2: Mark in that scene, you know, because they haven't. There's
Speaker 2: just there's been no explanation for why they are.
Speaker 3: And then what great casting too.
Speaker 2: Again we get Kobella kind of getting rounded out in
Speaker 2: episode seven. I also think this episode does a good
Speaker 2: job to show that she's not working for Lumen. She
Speaker 2: was working for them because it was the only way
Speaker 2: she could be near Severance or monitor Severance. I don't
Speaker 2: think she wants Lumen to succeed at all, so she.
Speaker 3: Went full scorched Earth. And you can tell that she
Speaker 3: did because at the beginning of episode two or three,
Speaker 3: she's at the entrance to Saltznek says, nah, let me
Speaker 3: see if I can just go do it normally, get
Speaker 3: my job back, And then when they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're gonna fucking kill me, I'm gonna go nuclear burn
Speaker 3: bridges and just go napalm on everybody by saying I
Speaker 3: created this, not Jane.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I forgot about that little end
Speaker 2: scene in episode two or three. There again, Dylan's letter
Speaker 2: from his Audi was great and really heartfelt in a
Speaker 2: good contrast to the Mark situation. Jumping back to Milcheck,
Speaker 2: I was so disappointed that he didn't help in the
Speaker 2: end there, And you're right, maybe we open season three
Speaker 2: where he isn't any or he is helping them, but
Speaker 2: they they spent so much time dropping stuff in there
Speaker 2: this season for him to turn in this episode, and
Speaker 2: he didn't.
Speaker 1: But they also didn't. So season one set him up
Speaker 1: as a future boss. This season didn't really set anyone
Speaker 1: else up as like a future boss next season unless
Speaker 1: you just go to the to the highest point of
Speaker 1: Helly's father.
Speaker 3: So I do think Milcheck isn't any and I think
Speaker 3: because he's doing a lot of the rebelling not on
Speaker 3: the severed floor or in the office, I think that
Speaker 3: may be a doorway for him, because he's always all
Speaker 3: business in the severance room or in those areas.
Speaker 2: So you think that he could be a gen think,
Speaker 2: do you think there is an outing Milcheck at all anymore?
Speaker 3: No? I think there's a few innies of him. That
Speaker 3: would be my weird theory.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's like that we're gonna need massive clarification
Speaker 2: on Milcheck and what his motivations are because it does
Speaker 2: really affect a lot of what happened and what is going.
Speaker 1: Did you see anything clicking him when he was in
Speaker 1: the room trying to kick over the vending machine.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I saw anything clicking him there.
Speaker 3: But the biggest thing to me was this season when
Speaker 3: Miss Wong goes don't give them a funeral. It makes
Speaker 3: it feel like they're real people. And the look in
Speaker 3: his eye is not shut up, little girl, It's like
Speaker 3: I'm one of them. Fuck you.
Speaker 2: Yeah that you're right. That was an important scene too.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: And he also when Irving in season one says to him,
Speaker 3: you're not severed, and he doesn't look mad, he looks
Speaker 3: like depressed, Like, dude, you don't even know. I can't
Speaker 3: reveal it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, those those are a couple of good points.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Miss Wang like it's it's at least appears
Speaker 2: to me that she just sort of existed for them
Speaker 2: to really make you believe more of like a young
Speaker 2: Kobell and how young Cobell sort of like navigated Luming
Speaker 2: because ultimately she didn't matter at all in this season.
Speaker 3: And Regaby too.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Regabi, we thought at the end of season
Speaker 2: one she was working against Cobell. Now, I think they're
Speaker 2: probably gonna be in cahoots. Right, they're cut from the
Speaker 2: same sort of cloth. It feels like they're going to
Speaker 2: be working together going forward.
Speaker 3: So someone else that I talk about this show with
Speaker 3: behind microphones, we have a theory where they might be
Speaker 3: like Obi Wan and Darth Vader type of deal. Like
Speaker 3: she was her Miss Wong and they kind of split paths,
Speaker 3: and then that's why one of them was like, don't
Speaker 3: talk to her, she's evil, and Regaby on the Cobell
Speaker 3: on the phone was likegotty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. I was starting to think
Speaker 2: of it more though, that Regabri was doing this because
Speaker 2: Cobell is being watched way more than Regaby would be,
Speaker 2: so she was sort of an extension of Cobell. But
Speaker 2: you could absolutely be right.
Speaker 1: Also, is the theory of the entire town or like
Speaker 1: the entire area being under lumen control any audi is
Speaker 1: is that out the window?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's that's a tough one. I feel like it's not
Speaker 2: even worth addressing though, because I'm so concerned about our
Speaker 2: this story, I don't want to widen it that much.
Speaker 3: You know what if the entire world is severed Mac,
Speaker 3: There's theories because Lumin' so water based is all the
Speaker 3: file names of water, water, water water, that they're poisoning
Speaker 3: the water supply to slowly fucking.
Speaker 1: Basal Man would stop them. Then Batman's always stopped the
Speaker 1: Joker and the Riddler and the Scarecrow from poisoning the
Speaker 1: water supply.
Speaker 2: I guess I should have led with this point. This
Speaker 2: is my biggest disappointment in this season and probably why
Speaker 2: I can't give it forty. We spent so much time
Speaker 2: talking about reintegration during season one and this season, and
Speaker 2: ultimately it didn't mean a fucking thing. It was just
Speaker 2: basically to uh, give you a beer Sea story in
Speaker 2: a couple episodes and kind of loosely connect Cobell and Regabi.
Speaker 2: Ultimately it meant nothing, Like it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3: They tried to sell it to Mark in the finale too.
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of it, like, hey, I'll be around.
Speaker 3: I think Regabi's just really bad at it and she
Speaker 3: fucked it up. It gets built up to.
Speaker 2: This big thing, and the big thing in the episode
Speaker 2: six or whatever it was, is he's gonna be reintegrated
Speaker 2: and it didn't come back up. He's never reintegrated. It
Speaker 2: never matters. It's that really bothered me because we spent
Speaker 2: so much time on reintegration and it mattered.
Speaker 3: Not.
Speaker 1: Also, if it is a like a big worldwide takeover
Speaker 1: or a poisoning of the water supply type of stuff,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be very disappointed in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll agree, that's why I want to keep it
Speaker 2: a little more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to your point, Mac, with that, they could have
Speaker 3: solved all the reintegration stuff with Regabi after she almost
Speaker 3: kills him, saying I fucked it all up. We've gotta
Speaker 3: have to start from scratch. If they just put that
Speaker 3: one line in there, that would have made me happier.
Speaker 3: But I get your complaint there. It is valid because
Speaker 3: he should be at least flashing a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now, like like so season three, that still lingers.
Speaker 2: So like Audie Mark is gonna want to reintegrate so
Speaker 2: that he can still be I guess maybe a sleeper
Speaker 2: agent or whatever. But now any Mark might be pushing
Speaker 2: back against it in his own brain. Like now, it's
Speaker 2: like probably still gonna matter, and I'm just gonna be
Speaker 2: bothered by.
Speaker 1: It, Billy question, can you answer this? Could any Mark
Speaker 1: if he is now if he has now locked himself
Speaker 1: in the building, he refuses to come out, could he
Speaker 1: try and unintegrate himself as like he tries to make
Speaker 1: himself the dominant mark, so that when he leaves the
Speaker 1: building it is him.
Speaker 3: I think that Milchek could do it, or Helena could
Speaker 3: do it, or Helena could do it. I definitely think
Speaker 3: that is on the table. I think somebody becoming a
Speaker 3: full blown any all the way. I think you're gonna
Speaker 3: find out there's a lot more of those than you think,
Speaker 3: because I think that's the goal of a lot of
Speaker 3: this is to get people totally love.
Speaker 2: Helena would have the power to be able to to
Speaker 2: glasgow block him, and so it would be Mark or
Speaker 2: any mark outside.
Speaker 3: So they can't glasgow block them. That's making them the
Speaker 3: inside person on the bottom floor.
Speaker 1: Oh you have to forever otc loocause I thought that
Speaker 1: the possibility of an any taking over the entire body
Speaker 1: would have to be signed off on by the AUDI.
Speaker 1: But now I'm trying to think of like Ken Mark
Speaker 1: on the inside, Can any Mark be like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take over this body and without the consent
Speaker 1: of Audie Mark, who signed him in.
Speaker 3: I think it's all I think all that shit's out
Speaker 3: the window. I think we're in.
Speaker 2: Well, what you're talking about, Gou, you're overthinking it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to underthink it.
Speaker 2: If that, if the possibility exists, that's Helene at the end.
Speaker 2: Helene is just gonna do that zact. She has Audie
Speaker 2: Mark or any Mark outside, she will have the power
Speaker 2: to be able.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 3: To me, it's prison rules.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Anything goes from here on out on that floor.
Speaker 2: And then I have one last thing which we have
Speaker 2: briefly touched upon, and you guys can bring up with
Speaker 2: anything I missed here, the Burt Field stuff and Irving.
Speaker 2: That's gonna have to still matter somehow season three, right like,
Speaker 2: that's still gonna rearch head at some point, and I
Speaker 2: think they get a I think they did a good
Speaker 2: job giving us a taste of that as like the
Speaker 2: season's maybe C or D story, and then we'll deal
Speaker 2: with that later. I wasn't I wasn't overly concerned that
Speaker 2: that didn't play a big role.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the conversation of of Christopher Walking wanting to become
Speaker 1: an any so that his any can go to Heaven
Speaker 1: at least added some layers to their characters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels like it feels like he genuinely
Speaker 2: does care about Irving, So that's that's something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're gonna get more from Irving just
Speaker 3: from the fact that he was out to get lumin
Speaker 3: in the first place. He seems like a military man,
Speaker 3: you know, Doug Raidar, all that kind of stuff, saluting milcheck.
Speaker 3: So I think he's definitely going to play loom large
Speaker 3: in season three for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder. I mean, it seems inevitable that Kobell
Speaker 2: might find Irving and utilize Irving somehow to do whatever
Speaker 2: they need to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, now, if they're on the outside, you have
Speaker 1: the possibility of Irving, and you have Gemma that could
Speaker 1: be a part of that team trying to take them
Speaker 1: out from the outside.
Speaker 2: I'm just I shouldn't doubt them because these two seasons
Speaker 2: are great. I'm just like fucking annoyed. I'm just fucking no.
Speaker 1: I think that you've seen too many television shows drop
Speaker 1: the ball when they have something great guy.
Speaker 2: Part of it. And you mentioned West World earlier, perfect
Speaker 2: example of a show that was, you know, maybe bordering
Speaker 2: on forty Dogs great idea, sci fi, thrilling, mystery aspects
Speaker 2: and it fucking sucks.
Speaker 1: The world too far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't get them in trouble for something they haven't
Speaker 3: done yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah that yeah, No, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: That's that's gives it thirty hot dogs. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna mess this up in the future.
Speaker 3: We have a podcast to do today.
Speaker 2: That's the glass half empty of this going forward, because
Speaker 2: somebody shows have sucked it up. Hopefully this is the
Speaker 2: rare that it doesn't. But I ultimately the reason why
Speaker 2: it's not forty Dogs is emotionally, I hated the decision
Speaker 2: from any mark and also the reintegration stuff is bothering
Speaker 2: the shit out of me.
Speaker 3: That's fair. I do likes stories that aren't happy endings
Speaker 3: because I don't get a lot of happy endings either
Speaker 3: either way, either way you slice it.
Speaker 2: So, but this is two sad endings in my mind
Speaker 2: because Helly, Helly and Mark or whoever's running down the
Speaker 2: hallway there.
Speaker 1: It's les minutes continued. It's a too be continued. It's
Speaker 1: not an ending.
Speaker 3: I want my shows to make me feel something es
Speaker 3: and the.
Speaker 2: Feeling it makes me feel I had a visceral reaction.
Speaker 3: So the feeling of them getting out together would be
Speaker 3: through the roof. The feeling of them going the opposite
Speaker 3: way blew my fucking mind. It made you more mad
Speaker 3: than you would have been happy. Yeah, but if he
Speaker 3: had left the building, what would they do moving forward?
Speaker 2: Because Helena is still in charge of everything. That's sort
Speaker 2: of my point. Helena is the key to everything, and
Speaker 2: she has so much control inside.
Speaker 1: And to that point, though, Mark has no need to
Speaker 1: ever go near that building ever again, he just moves.
Speaker 3: They're smarter than us. They have a good plan, I'm
Speaker 3: guaranteed so.
Speaker 2: So the the only conceivable, not the only the thing
Speaker 2: that makes most sense now is then most of season
Speaker 2: three will take place over only a couple of days.
Speaker 3: Then the whole series may have taken place over four weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be right about that. You might be
Speaker 2: right about that. What because we can only spend so
Speaker 2: much time inside this building with any Mark Now, it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be like an episode of twenty four.
Speaker 1: Well no, you say that, Mac, But we don't know
Speaker 1: the extent of how big this building is though, like
Speaker 1: there could be.
Speaker 2: Has to be Helene at the end because she would
Speaker 2: know where to go and she can hide anywhere, So
Speaker 2: it would have to be Helene at the end.
Speaker 1: If you want to go that round, what if Helene
Speaker 1: is actually twins and there's multiple Helenas and Tins anyone
Speaker 1: has anyone?
Speaker 2: We could get real interesting still in the lumin building.
Speaker 2: But the only way that's possible is if it's Helena
Speaker 2: down there, are not.
Speaker 3: Helly or Milchick turns team any.
Speaker 2: No, because well, I guess he would have access to
Speaker 2: areas too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that could be a possibility, That's my guess,
Speaker 3: because I do like her being down there and being
Speaker 3: a badass. The thing I wanted to talk about was
Speaker 3: Jame Egans seemed like the like the weirdest, like biggest
Speaker 3: lame But when he yells out the double fucks and
Speaker 3: sitting in that little coup for room, it killed me.
Speaker 1: Just became alive.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck, oh fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's like we've been talking about the Egans
Speaker 2: in this in this whole business and family for a
Speaker 2: while that it feels inevitable that everything around season three
Speaker 2: will be like the Egans and Helena and Helly versus
Speaker 2: Gobel or Gabby, all these people that have been slighted.
Speaker 3: Imagine if we get the equivalent of Chicai Bardo, but
Speaker 3: it's all like Jane from marrying or birthing whoever, all
Speaker 3: the way up to Helly, that would be fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: I also think that as maybe fitting as it is
Speaker 2: as if it's Helly in any mark at the end,
Speaker 2: because the nies shows themselves, I think that doesn't lead
Speaker 2: to as many possibilities as if that was Helena in
Speaker 2: any mark. I think there's more storytelling possibilities if Helena
Speaker 2: exists there and not Helly.
Speaker 3: I also do think the the I sired Many in
Speaker 3: the Shadows almost confirms my theory that Kobel is likely
Speaker 3: his daughter, and I think Miss Wong is probably his
Speaker 3: daughter as well.
Speaker 2: That could certainly be a possibility.
Speaker 1: Let's get into Max and Ma Sak could be anything
Speaker 1: that could be a boat and this week just a
Speaker 1: quick update on our food mascot, Macnus. We are into
Speaker 1: the second round. We had a number of upsets, but
Speaker 1: will blame Mac for terrible seating. The one thing that
Speaker 1: I want to point out is that you people out there,
Speaker 1: you fucking people, went into our beautiful, blissful bracket and
Speaker 1: messed it up. You took at fifty the fifteen seed,
Speaker 1: this little piece of dough popping fresh, and you took
Speaker 1: him over a fucking giant cheesy dinosaur. Where do you
Speaker 1: get the gull?
Speaker 2: What I may be underestimated is the magical abilities of
Speaker 2: the Pillsbury bill boy.
Speaker 3: And I think the age because I don't know who
Speaker 3: that guy is.
Speaker 1: You're the same age as us, Billy, you must.
Speaker 3: Six years older than you guys.
Speaker 1: Then you had more of them, really, craft Cheese and Macarney.
Speaker 1: It's not easy being cheesy.
Speaker 2: Goose champions out in round one.
Speaker 1: I will say that my runner up is still in there.
Speaker 1: Crazy Craven was almost campaign for him for two days.
Speaker 1: Crazy Craven was almost knocked out by Digham of the Frog.
Speaker 2: You were creating burners to vote on that one.
Speaker 1: So so many. I would like to thank Gert b. Frobe,
Speaker 1: who went through and gave us a finishing move in
Speaker 1: every single one of the mashup, So I really I
Speaker 1: want to thank you, Gert, and then to Walsh six
Speaker 1: one seven who told me in multiple tweets posts for
Speaker 1: me to go fuck myself and for Cheese a Saurus
Speaker 1: Rex to go fuck himself I see you six one seven, Yeah,
Speaker 1: love that. But I will say this once again. This bracket,
Speaker 1: this mascot bracket dead to me. I don't even care
Speaker 1: about it anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't know I know what pop it Fresh is.
Speaker 3: I didn't know who the hell the other guy was.
Speaker 2: Did anyone at your work also have cheese a saurus Rex?
Speaker 2: Winning it all?
Speaker 1: So many people? By the way, I have a giant
Speaker 1: I'd want to thank everyone at WBZ. There is a
Speaker 1: giant wall at my work right now covered in food
Speaker 1: mascot brackets of all of my coworkers who filled these out,
Speaker 1: I will say, I'll apologize to the higher ups. I
Speaker 1: was a bit of a distraction. I apologize. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to do that. I didn't think that this would
Speaker 1: capture everyone's imagination and then they would ruin it by
Speaker 1: putting that piece of shit dough boy ahead of my
Speaker 1: cheese asaurus Rex.
Speaker 2: I'm so upset. Mac.
Speaker 1: Where can the people find us?
Speaker 2: You can find us on x and on Instagram, at
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Speaker 1: Teapublic dot com merger. I will within the next couple
Speaker 1: of days. Billy has sent me some sweet designs for severance,
Speaker 1: and we'll open a little shop for some severance phrases
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Maybe you'll write not any o. That's easy money,
Speaker 1: just printing money.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 2: To teaser one, I'd go too.
Speaker 1: It's two on both. It's two ends and two tastes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd agree, Billy.
Speaker 1: We should learn this before we start making these shirts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it auto corrects every time I write it
Speaker 3: to the one T. But it doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel right at all.
Speaker 1: Billy, want to plug yourself?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pineapple Boys. Every Thursday we are back, and then
Speaker 3: check out the Dork Podcast if you want individual recaps
Speaker 3: of all the episodes of this show, and we'll be
Speaker 3: doing the season finale out in a couple of days probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Billy's other podcasts with that shithead doc from that
Speaker 1: TLDR piece of shit podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy should feel slighted too because he didn't win
Speaker 2: Podcasts of the Year. I didn't.
Speaker 1: He only did like six episodes last year. And that
Speaker 1: makes me think that Friar is just a better co
Speaker 1: host than you.
Speaker 3: He really is. Look at the transitive property here, handsome
Speaker 3: devil too. I can argue that anything else.
Speaker 2: Mac. That's it, hopefully. Maybe maybe next week we'll see
Speaker 2: the right or Tega Death of a Unicorn, talk about
Speaker 2: it sometime next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll do a news up at the end,
Speaker 1: talk about Alto Knights, the Robertson Narra movie. He's so nice.
Speaker 1: They did him twice.
Speaker 2: I heard it was really really boring.
Speaker 1: Oh, he just plays a saxophone for two hours. Tuesdays
Speaker 1: are goose Days. I abused Kangaroos, Temmburton. Please flip the
Speaker 1: cassette over to side B to continue the adventure. Now
Speaker 1: it's time for girls jumping on trampopolines.