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<v Speaker 2>To your face.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Brian A, I'm Jeff Dam, I'm Billy D. And

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<v Speaker 1>we are here for our I don't know if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an Innie or an Audi. I don't know. At any

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<v Speaker 1>point in my life, I'm definitely a split person.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was thinking about this the other day, as

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<v Speaker 2>Billy has sort of become the shared universus severance experts

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<v Speaker 2>since you watched each episode like fucking fifteen times. But

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you are already going by Billy D

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<v Speaker 2>is so perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Really it really works.

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<v Speaker 3>Me and not only that, I had one of those

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<v Speaker 3>belly button hernias, so I went from an Innie to

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<v Speaker 3>an Audi back to an Innie.

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<v Speaker 2>I would consider myself an Audi because I have to

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<v Speaker 2>be much different.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait are you saying that right now you're an Audi

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<v Speaker 1>on this show or just in general you're an Audi?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this might be a third I might be. It

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<v Speaker 2>might be a real JEMA situation for me, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say the way I react and act

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<v Speaker 2>on this podcast is pretty accurate to who I am

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<v Speaker 2>out in the real world. When I'm at work, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you can't be the way we are here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm the same person. Maybe at work and

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<v Speaker 1>at home. No, I'm two different people. I'm three different people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm definitely work Brian home Goo Podcast Goo, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would only imagine, like, you know, someone trying to discourage

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<v Speaker 1>me as like your home Brian A collects turtles.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, it would be your Audi like snaps. Your

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<v Speaker 2>Audi is very sleepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Audi was in a Madden League until he realized

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<v Speaker 1>that it was just too much and he had to quit.

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<v Speaker 2>Goo. By the way, thank you for finally showing up

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<v Speaker 2>to review Severance with me. I reviewed season one with

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<v Speaker 2>Keith and Davey because no one had really seen it

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<v Speaker 2>yet except for Keith, Davy, myself, and Billy. That was

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<v Speaker 2>also it also coincided with your trip to Italy, in

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<v Speaker 2>which you didn't end up going on because as you

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<v Speaker 2>got COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>First time I got COVID. Also, the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to go to Italy. We eventually went to Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>Second time didn't bring the sun. I'm actually pretty happy

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<v Speaker 1>with this because I don't know how that would have

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<v Speaker 1>worked the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fair. So to bring you back three years

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<v Speaker 2>ago and season one came out, I remember Keith looking

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<v Speaker 2>for someone to watch the show, so we could talk

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<v Speaker 2>to with he found Billy. They were talking it up, saying,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the best show on television right now. So

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up started starting to watch season one the

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<v Speaker 2>day the season one finale was coming out. I ended

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<v Speaker 2>up finishing like overnight finishing. I watched all nine episodes

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<v Speaker 2>of season one in like ten hours. It was fucking great.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved binging it, and after that point I was

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<v Speaker 2>great to watch because I think you and Keith did

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<v Speaker 2>an episode on it, and then me, Keith and David

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<v Speaker 2>did an episode on it like two weeks later or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, so it's good to have a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of in between.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great show to binge, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if I would want to ever binge it from here

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<v Speaker 3>on out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, this must be COVID fog, because I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>you had Billy on our show to discuss sever and

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<v Speaker 1>season one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, You've been saying that for the last couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Of weeks, and no one corrected me until Mac today, Max.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you, No, we did the we did the Breaking

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<v Speaker 3>Bad sequel show together the end of that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, whatever. But I listened to the episode of

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<v Speaker 2>season one and it wasn't you. It was Mekeean Davy

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, it was so confident that he

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<v Speaker 2>convinced me that it was you. Uh Severed Season two

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<v Speaker 2>an Apple TV plus.

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<v Speaker 1>You do not know how our show works?

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<v Speaker 3>What you gotta hit the intro? One?

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<v Speaker 2>Goo three?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, John three, King of Queen.

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<v Speaker 1>Mal Street Entertainment. I'm good and I'm Mac and we're

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<v Speaker 1>the Mac can Go program. We bring you an these

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<v Speaker 1>audies and all friendships in between.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we are bringing you You know what why

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<v Speaker 2>this show works for so many people is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Inny and Audi is very relatable because of what we

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<v Speaker 2>just talked about in the open, how different some people

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<v Speaker 2>are at work and at home, and how sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>just have to tolerate friends at work. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>have work friends and then you have real life friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think this show is relatable on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, also the whole thought of wanting to separate your

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<v Speaker 1>entire life work and home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, make someone that I don't know that I

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<v Speaker 2>won't remember, do all the shitty stuff, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>get to enjoy the funds.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Adam Sandler's Click all over again. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Walking pointed that out several times on set. He

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<v Speaker 1>is the crossover of the two.

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<v Speaker 3>I am very much the Audi always, except when I

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<v Speaker 3>meet somebody for the first time. I'm very much in

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<v Speaker 3>any which sucks on first aids because I usually just

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<v Speaker 3>I'm terrible because I'm not myself.

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<v Speaker 1>People are always so disappointed when they're expecting to meet

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<v Speaker 1>a certain version of me and then they meet quiet

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sitting in a corner like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, my friend Kevin was pissing.

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<v Speaker 1>He was pissed. I'm sorry. I put all of my

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<v Speaker 1>energy into this forty five minute program, slash. I put

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of energy into work that when I'm out

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<v Speaker 1>of here, I am tired. I am nothing but tired,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to talk to anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>On the program. So passionate, convicted of whatever he's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about in his regular life. Eh, you're just like, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>why not?

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing is about most things in life. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. Today, boys, we are back together. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>last time the three of us all did in an episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm happy.

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<v Speaker 1>To We built a house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, We are discussing Severed Season two, a season

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<v Speaker 2>of television three years in the making good. When did

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<v Speaker 2>you finally watch season one? Was it recently?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? I started binging season one so that I was

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<v Speaker 1>caught up up by season three or I'm sorry, episode

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<v Speaker 1>three of season two. Also, who's on the program today?

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<v Speaker 1>Did we introduce Billy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Sure, Billy De's are Power Body.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's from the Pineapple Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, what's the other one?

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<v Speaker 3>PCP? Whenever scream comes at right?

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<v Speaker 1>Alrightp that's right, whenever Scream is available, Billy's doing a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, if you're tuning in here, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening to hashtag dork, where Billy's been on there

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<v Speaker 2>every week, reviewing and talking about Severance weekly. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>deep into the so thing. He's certainly a much bigger

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<v Speaker 2>expert on this show than anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever I had a question during the season, I would

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<v Speaker 1>message Billy being like, hey, I think that this Annie

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<v Speaker 1>is actually an audi or this audi is doing something,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he would go and watch a very specific

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<v Speaker 1>either elevator scene or a hallway scene to look at

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<v Speaker 1>the movement or like how people's shoulders are, to give

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<v Speaker 1>a little deeper dive, and then either say maybe or

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<v Speaker 1>you might be right. He never once told me he's

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<v Speaker 1>ever like, oh yeah, definitely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I take out the iPad and I just figure

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<v Speaker 3>it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing about this season, right and the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so well written that things aren't clear until their

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<v Speaker 2>outright said so right, you could kind of lean either way,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna get into a big thing in the

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<v Speaker 2>finale here where I think I feel one way and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you two don't. It's not explicit until they actually

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<v Speaker 1>It's also not just well written, it's well thought out,

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<v Speaker 1>because you can still write things that you don't think

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<v Speaker 1>out all the way this show is clearly and I'm hoping,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get deeper into this later on, that we

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<v Speaker 1>have a conclusion either by the end of this next

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<v Speaker 1>season or maybe one more after that. But the further

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<v Speaker 1>that you try and stretch this idea, you might start

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<v Speaker 3>So far, though, the connective tissue that holds everything together

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<v Speaker 3>is ultra strong. Everything's lining up, and you're just like,

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<v Speaker 3>they really thought of that then, Like Dieter Egan, which

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<v Speaker 3>I thought was one hundred percent only in season two,

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<v Speaker 3>appears like a like a billboard and a forest in

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<v Speaker 3>season one at some point, so they were so far

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<v Speaker 3>ahead of this shit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. Now for anyone listening right now, you probably

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<v Speaker 2>have watched it. So but if you haven't, we gave

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<v Speaker 2>you our elevator face. Should we give them an elevator

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<v Speaker 2>pitch of the show? It's to me, it's essentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent of Lost DNA with a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>like get Out and some sci fi thriller stuff twin peaks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, west World season one.

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<v Speaker 2>West World is good.

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<v Speaker 3>Sprinkle in a little bit of office fun there too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, more so in season one than this season.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. Very simple is that if you like to

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<v Speaker 1>weekly watch a television show where you need to pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to what's going on and try and follow the

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<v Speaker 1>breadcrumbs to solve the mystery, this is forty dog stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of tip my hand there, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is the best of if you're trying to solve not

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<v Speaker 1>only a mystery, but a fucking weird mystery, this is

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<v Speaker 1>that type of show.

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<v Speaker 3>Lost was one of my favorite shows of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>This is already outpacing it by a wide, wide margin.

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<v Speaker 3>And the first two seasons of Lost are phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Lost you know, probably halfway through season two

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, I don't know if they know where

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<v Speaker 2>they're going with this stuff. Where here it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm hopeful for there is a clear end in sight,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were left off at the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope it doesn't go four seasons. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>it's three seasons and we're and we're done with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need one more season, and that one

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<v Speaker 2>more ten episode season should get us to where we

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<v Speaker 2>need to go.

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<v Speaker 1>This show also has an advantage over say a Lost,

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<v Speaker 1>where Lost was tied to ABC and they said, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to give us a certain amount of episodes for

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<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of seasons, and they kept on having

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<v Speaker 1>to go with it, Whereas this is a streamer on

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<v Speaker 1>a platform that I thin I think just wants the

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<v Speaker 1>best quality possible, so much so that every year Apple

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<v Speaker 1>TV Plus loses one billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and to that point, I actually do believe Lost

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<v Speaker 2>was conceived as a three season show, so it got

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<v Speaker 3>It was so wildly successful they were like, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>Severed. Season two of course on Apple tv Plus pretty

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<v Speaker 2>full years for this season. It is a tv MA drama, mystery,

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<v Speaker 2>those things amazingly. This season was ten episodes, totally four

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty consistent with season one. Season one had nine

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<v Speaker 2>episodes on roddy t Season two ninety five percent from

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually fine with that because I think a show

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting, though, because season one is ninety seven percent

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<v Speaker 2>They dive into what you wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people, I always talk to you. They don't really

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<v Speaker 1>The Empire Strikes Back has more questions than answers.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, You got to get to the end. And

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<v Speaker 1>Also season one, they produced the entire first season and

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<v Speaker 2>Well, season one also is because it's an introduction in

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<v Speaker 2>build up right in a wildly awesome conclusion, Whereas this

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<v Speaker 2>season starts up there and it is mostly up there,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are some dips, so I could see if

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<v Speaker 2>you're expecting it to be forty dogs every episode, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you're mildly disappointed in the season. But I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>this kept up the tension that we built to at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of season one in every episode. It was

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<v Speaker 2>there in every single episode, even in the Cobell episode

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people didn't care for, and to

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<v Speaker 2>that point on Metacritic, eighty six season two compared to

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing I loved about this season is take

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<v Speaker 3>like Lost, had the same formula. This code switched almost

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<v Speaker 3>every single episode where it was all in these all out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a mix, just Kobell, so you never knew what

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<v Speaker 3>whenever you watched it, and that was always a fun

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<v Speaker 3>ride for me. What are we getting tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>This show is created by Dan Erickson, directed and produced

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<v Speaker 2>by Ben Stiller. Those are the two driving forces behind

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<v Speaker 2>this show. You also have executive producers Ericson Arquette, Patrisa Arquette,

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie Cone, Adam Scott, and Nicholas Weinstock synopsis of Severance,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes more sense for season one than I guess

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<v Speaker 2>season two. But this is all we They don't update,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark leads a team of office workers whose memories have

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<v Speaker 2>been surgically divided between their work and personal lives. When

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<v Speaker 2>a journey to discover the truth about their jobs. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>before we get into uh spoilers even get further, I

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<v Speaker 2>will say PD and reintegration ends up taking a massive

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<v Speaker 2>back seat at the end of the season, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if it was all just to like bring Kobell's

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<v Speaker 1>Let's wait for spoilers on that, because I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>have thoughts I have we have no resolution, like in like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know anything. Let's just get it out there

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<v Speaker 1>right now, US three, we don't really know anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true, And to Billy's point. When we do

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<v Speaker 2>get a resolution, five to ten more questions, pop pop,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just so fucking confused the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like when you got the head off a dragon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, executive exactly. I think this is the first show

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<v Speaker 2>in a really long time. I was trying to remember

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<v Speaker 2>the last one where I like watched it, thought I

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, oh, it could be this, it could be that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like to goo'se point at the beginning. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for a show where you want to dive fully

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you want a show where you have to

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<v Speaker 1>watch it with a notebook? Right there, I do really psychopath.

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<v Speaker 2>Bear with me with this cast list because it's long

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<v Speaker 1>Just rip through it. Everyone's good. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. Adam Scott as Mark Scout, Britt Lauer as

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<v Speaker 1>I will stop you right there, Sorry, I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to do it. But if I were to

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<v Speaker 1>point at one reason why this season is better than

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<v Speaker 1>season one, if I was to make that statement, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be because of all the Milt Chick stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>we got in this I thought his character was just

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<v Speaker 1>so magnetic and everything that he did. You have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what the reasoning is, and I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>know more and more about this character. I prefer him

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<v Speaker 1>over co Bell from season one.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh MVP.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely Again, Let's save the remarks for the end.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the one that I had.

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<v Speaker 2>Jen Tullock is Devin Scout Hale, It's Mark's sister. Dyken

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<v Speaker 2>back as Asal Ragabi, Michael Siberry Sibbery as Jamie Egan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Helen his father. Mere Weaver is introduced as Gretchen George.

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<v Speaker 2>Robbie Benson is introduced as doctor Mauer. Sandra Bernhard introduced

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<v Speaker 2>and Jane Alexander Cissy Cobell and exclusively in the first

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<v Speaker 2>episode and spilled over a little bit to the second one.

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<v Speaker 2>We get to three new office mates, Bob Ballaban as Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>as Dario r Who. I'm stunned literally just did one offs.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you want to just dive into our nonagone

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<v Speaker 1>and go right to spoilers because.

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<v Speaker 2>Characters? OK, So you mentioned why this season gets kicked

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<v Speaker 2>up over season one. I agree, Milchick was a driving

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<v Speaker 2>force behind that. To me, it's britt Lauer. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen someone pulled double duty the way she does in

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<v Speaker 2>this show, especially in the first half of the season

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<v Speaker 2>where the whole audience she's acting it so well the

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<v Speaker 2>whole audience is like, I don't know if that's Helly

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<v Speaker 2>or Helena, Like there there are signs and there are things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I told you that it was I. You didn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell me it was I did, I told you, I

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<v Speaker 3>Still kind of don't know. She is so good at

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<v Speaker 3>the I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Told you to watch her shoulders Billy.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact that she has these different character notes

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<v Speaker 2>for the two characters is awesome when you really break

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<v Speaker 2>it down. And then I still think the greatest mystery

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<v Speaker 2>and driving force behind the show right now is her character.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's gonna play out in season three.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my main thing to kick flip off

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<v Speaker 2>your mil check thing the other thing, and we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into it a little bit in spoilers. We get Miss Swang,

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<v Speaker 2>who really just stands as someone to round out Kobell's backstory.

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<v Speaker 3>It felt like, ultimately, Yeah, she was good. I loved

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<v Speaker 3>I said this a bunch of the other podcast. I

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<v Speaker 3>love the eye acting from her. She made you uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 3>every time she was on. I thought she was good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping you see her again because they're sending her

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<v Speaker 3>to that special school that I bet you they send

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<v Speaker 3>all of those people to so maybe she'll be back

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<v Speaker 3>in season three.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy, I'm gonna ask moving forward that you don't mention

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<v Speaker 1>the other podcast. You are on this podcast. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the Billy that we want. I want you to have

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<v Speaker 1>no thought of the other podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Audi Billy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a couple of things to remember from season one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we kind of forget this. It gets

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<v Speaker 2>lost in the shuffle. Mark only joins Lumen and gets

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<v Speaker 2>severed to cope with the loss of his wife. So

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<v Speaker 2>when we talk about the finale of this season, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to remember that there could be some other

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<v Speaker 2>people behind what's going on to get Mark into Lumen

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place. Number two. Season one did very

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<v Speaker 2>small world building. This season world built the shit out

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<v Speaker 2>of whatever world were, and they did a great job

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<v Speaker 2>continuing to build the egans in Lumen. I love that aspect.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this spoiler ish, but I still have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what the aesthetic of this world is, Like we see

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<v Speaker 1>what it is, we see, I guess we see how

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<v Speaker 1>like there's there's no time description on really anything in

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<v Speaker 1>this world, either at Lumen or outside. Everyone's still dry.

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<v Speaker 1>Having these cars from like the eighties and the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have smartphones. Yeah, so let's save that for spoilers.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, that's something that I thought that they might

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<v Speaker 1>start to answer, and they still haven't done much with.

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<v Speaker 3>They have Dylan going car shopping in one of the episodes,

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<v Speaker 3>like what is he gonna pick out a new ninety five? Jenim,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>What date? Is it? The times right now?

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<v Speaker 2>And then again to refresh anyone's memories because it was

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<v Speaker 2>three years, but I don't know how you could forget.

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<v Speaker 2>We finished season one with Marx yelling she's alive, referring

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<v Speaker 2>to Gemma, and then we cut to black and we

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<v Speaker 2>waited three years. And I think again, what we already

428
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<v Speaker 2>mentioned why season two might be superior is that note

429
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<v Speaker 2>that we leave on, like the pulse of the season

430
00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:47.440
<v Speaker 2>is up there the whole time.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Also the finale of this season. Really you need to

432
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<v Speaker 1>make a decision, you do, not what's on the screen,

433
00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:57.359
<v Speaker 1>because on the screen for season one, it's an answer.

434
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<v Speaker 1>What we have in this one is we have an

435
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<v Speaker 1>action that then you either feel a certain way about

436
00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:08.119
<v Speaker 1>you can't stand or you kind of understand, like it's

437
00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:10.279
<v Speaker 1>it's more about like this is more of a talking

438
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<v Speaker 1>point of a finale where like you're gonna have an

439
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<v Speaker 1>opinion on it the finale in season one, it's pretty

440
00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:17.680
<v Speaker 1>cut and dry.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, that's a good way to summarize it.

442
00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Want to do the nonagon, Yeah, let's do all right.

443
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<v Speaker 1>Fun factor and this is really this is the funnest

444
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<v Speaker 1>show going right now when it comes to watching it

445
00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:34.240
<v Speaker 1>week to week and in the six days between seeing it,

446
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.759
<v Speaker 1>trying to understand and put pieces together.

447
00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a great show

448
00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.480
<v Speaker 2>to investigate things and like try to find stuff out

449
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.240
<v Speaker 2>without the help other people, and then you inevitably need it.

450
00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I will say the plot of this season decidedly less

451
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<v Speaker 2>fun than in season one. A lot more hide thinks

452
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<v Speaker 2>in season one.

453
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<v Speaker 1>I'll also say too, that this is a show that

454
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<v Speaker 1>like you need to think about, like you think, think

455
00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.000
<v Speaker 1>out what you think might happen, but then like you

456
00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:04.920
<v Speaker 1>don't want to throw it at someone else because it

457
00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:06.759
<v Speaker 1>might be stupid, Like you don't want.

458
00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Someone else to think that you're stupid if it stakes.

459
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<v Speaker 3>This was the most fun I've had in a long time,

460
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:13.480
<v Speaker 3>because it's been so long. Maybe the boys hit this

461
00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.720
<v Speaker 3>every once in a while. A few years ago where

462
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<v Speaker 3>I was excited for Thursday nights at nine o'clock.

463
00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I would say, WandaVision was the last one where like

464
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<v Speaker 1>there was the intrigue at the end of every episode

465
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<v Speaker 1>where they led you into the next one. This is

466
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<v Speaker 1>this is a better television show. Though, I'll just say

467
00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:36.240
<v Speaker 1>that satisfactor, how satisfied are you? And the finale and

468
00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.000
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to go deep into it right now,

469
00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:41.480
<v Speaker 1>we'll get into it in spoilers had the most of

470
00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.880
<v Speaker 1>me raising my eyebrows or going like this, give them

471
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<v Speaker 1>like the whoopee glasses of like lower my head and

472
00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:52.279
<v Speaker 1>saying that what like what what is happening? Yet everything

473
00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:55.200
<v Speaker 1>builds to something that then you say at the end,

474
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<v Speaker 1>I either like it, I understand it. I can't fucking

475
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<v Speaker 1>stand that. Guy.

476
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<v Speaker 3>I was cheering at points and I was yelling for

477
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:05.079
<v Speaker 3>people to go into rooms at points I was I

478
00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:08.440
<v Speaker 3>was extremely satisfied and like active during the episode.

479
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<v Speaker 2>You were like an audience member of our cinem I

480
00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:11.880
<v Speaker 2>was like, are they doing that?

481
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Is that what they're doing right now? Uh?

482
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, A truly great finale, and I think our next

483
00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:23.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty five to thirty minutes of conversation will decide whether

484
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I was satisfied by it or not, because I would say,

485
00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.319
<v Speaker 2>going in, I'm not satisfied. But that's okay. I liked it,

486
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:32.799
<v Speaker 2>I like where it's going, but I'm actually tremendously frustrated

487
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:33.559
<v Speaker 2>with what happened.

488
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<v Speaker 1>But that's what they want from you. They want that

489
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:40.960
<v Speaker 1>visceral reaction to what happened. Yes, exactly, borometer, were you

490
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.200
<v Speaker 1>bored during this season? Now? I will say this, and

491
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<v Speaker 1>this is a nitpick, the Kobal episode. While I think

492
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the final five ish minutes did give you something satisfactory

493
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.680
<v Speaker 1>at the end, I did find it to be boring,

494
00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.039
<v Speaker 1>but it's something that you do need on the show.

495
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<v Speaker 1>The one thing that I if I'm allowed, I'm gonna

496
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.599
<v Speaker 1>winning writer what I would have done on that episode,

497
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:04.599
<v Speaker 1>because it was also the shortest episode of the season.

498
00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I might have cut a b story into it. I

499
00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>might have just had maybe it go away from what

500
00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:11.319
<v Speaker 1>she was doing a couple times to not have you

501
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>focus entirely on that story. But that's just me. I'm

502
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.119
<v Speaker 1>a Nobel winning prize running writer.

503
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:22.519
<v Speaker 3>And an orator right there. No, I don't think it

504
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 3>was super boring, even that episode. I think they did

505
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:27.160
<v Speaker 3>it purposefully to kind of slow you down and then

506
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.519
<v Speaker 3>speed you up. But I will say anybody who has

507
00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:31.839
<v Speaker 3>a problem with it being like that, I get it. It.

508
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't the most riveting comparatively, but I kept pausing

509
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:36.680
<v Speaker 3>every five minutes to be like, all right, how much

510
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:38.200
<v Speaker 3>time we have left? Is what's gonna happen?

511
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? In my mind, everything in this show means something,

512
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.680
<v Speaker 2>at least hopefully, So I was not bored at all.

513
00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I was actually like, because I've been I've been waiting

514
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.960
<v Speaker 2>for it, Like koe Bell's built up so much in

515
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.200
<v Speaker 2>season one and then she kind of disappears, so like,

516
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:54.079
<v Speaker 2>we know she's coming back in and we need to

517
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.559
<v Speaker 2>know more about her. I was actually like, oh, I

518
00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>now understand her motivations, completely understand why she's so attached

519
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.519
<v Speaker 2>to things, and she's going to be a meaningful character

520
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.839
<v Speaker 2>big time in season three. So I thought it was

521
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.839
<v Speaker 2>not only necessary but actually fascinating for the character.

522
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Plus, you love huffing paint, so that fit you.

523
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a big, big pastime of mine.

524
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Halloween. Will this wane over time and shows like this,

525
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I do feel it is gonna happen because you're losing

526
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that excitement of going from week to week and seeing

527
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.599
<v Speaker 1>it for the first time. So that's just a it's

528
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:29.599
<v Speaker 1>a natural thing for a show like this.

529
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:30.640
<v Speaker 2>For me, it won't.

530
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I have so many, you know, like potential future girlfriends.

531
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:37.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna show this too, hopefully, and I'll be just as.

532
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Successful in your accounts? Is that in your dating accounts?

533
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna show you severance pretty much, Yeah, which is

534
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:44.640
<v Speaker 1>what Dahmer did when he sat all of his girls

535
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>flipped on the TV to a certain television.

536
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I said this in that podcast

537
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 2>chat or maybe to you, gou, but my hope for

538
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>this the end of the season was that it kind

539
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.920
<v Speaker 2>of ends up like the final three seasons of Breaking

540
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Bad three, four, five, or maybe four and five, where

541
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 2>it's a massive explosion of a conclusion, but it is

542
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 2>a little unsatisfying or is a little incomplete, and then

543
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:13.599
<v Speaker 2>we get an additional season that's a little separate but

544
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:15.759
<v Speaker 2>is also great in and of itself, and I think

545
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:16.680
<v Speaker 2>we may have gotten that.

546
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this feels more like the end of season three

547
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 1>of Breaking Bad, because it seasons three and four felt

548
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>like one long season or one long story. Yeah, whereas

549
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 1>four to five you felt like you got that conclusion

550
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:29.200
<v Speaker 1>at the end of four.

551
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Season four of Breaking Bad didn't have a lot of

552
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.960
<v Speaker 3>places to go where I feel like this has a

553
00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:35.359
<v Speaker 3>ton of place you can go.

554
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think maybe it's more comparable to season

555
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>three of Breaking Bad.

556
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Then let's go to a quarter world. Does this movie

557
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.319
<v Speaker 1>or is this television show better than the nineteen ninety

558
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>five classic water World?

559
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Get that cot out of my face?

560
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say so.

561
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Costner should pop up in this show, though preferably

562
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.400
<v Speaker 1>as a mermaid. When life gives you plemings, you make plemonade,

563
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>And I ask you, Mack, who did that?

564
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Been a hard time deciding here, so maybe you guys

565
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:04.839
<v Speaker 2>can help me out with the plumbingade here. Every time

566
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Natalie pops up, he's great, and there's still a mystery

567
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 2>surrounding her. Every scene Gretchen was in with Dylan was awesome.

568
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:16.200
<v Speaker 2>She acted her ass off. Doctor Mauer is terrifying, but

569
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 2>also like you're intrigued as to why he so invested

570
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 2>in certain things. Fields pops up for one episode and

571
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.920
<v Speaker 2>you're like, there's so many things going on here that

572
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 2>are completely unexplained. And then you also had walkins Bert

573
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 2>that only popped up a couple times this season, so

574
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe could qualify, as I would.

575
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.519
<v Speaker 3>Say Bert if it's if he counts. If not, definitely

576
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Fields Fields killed me because we're using protection down there,

577
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell.

578
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>You that, and because there's still something there that like

579
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.319
<v Speaker 2>doesn't get really addressed at all in the finale. It's

580
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.319
<v Speaker 2>almost like purposefully unspoken about. So the Fields in Burt

581
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:53.599
<v Speaker 2>thing might be the leader there.

582
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Pants tensity, excite bike mania, what got you going from

583
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>this show? It so like the last half hour of

584
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 1>the season of that, like that is pure pants tent,

585
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 1>whether it be confusing boners or exciting boners, it's really

586
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>it is all pants tent. But there is some dialogue

587
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.039
<v Speaker 1>in this season, mainly by Milchick that fucking killed me.

588
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the miltcheck stuff was great, But I'm telling you

589
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>one of the more satisfying moments in recent television history

590
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.720
<v Speaker 2>is when Irving is drowning Helly and Seth has to

591
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 2>take out the walkie talkie.

592
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Do it, Seth?

593
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It was so good. It was like I got

594
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>like chills watching it. I was so happy, so satisfied

595
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 2>because us as viewers, especially US three, had sniffed that out.

596
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:44.759
<v Speaker 2>But there are a lot of people that didn't, and

597
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:46.599
<v Speaker 2>that was must have been a mind blowing moment for

598
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>him where it's just really satisfying for us.

599
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 3>The cold Harbor room entrance and that little exit from there.

600
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 3>That was it for me because that's what you're waiting

601
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:55.880
<v Speaker 3>for and you got it.

602
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 2>And then you also have a couple other things in here,

603
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>like every time we go deeper in this lumin building

604
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 2>and property, you're like, what's what are the possibilities here?

605
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.200
<v Speaker 2>I loved the Mark conversation with himself and the finale

606
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 2>that was great as well some of.

607
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 3>The best editing I've ever seen storytelling wise, it was brilliant.

608
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 2>It was awesome. And then even though Goo maybe didn't

609
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>care for the episode, what the Kobel episode gives us

610
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.519
<v Speaker 2>informationally is kind of a pantch tent.

611
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:26.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't say that I did not care for it.

612
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I said, if I'm allowed to nitpick on this hour

613
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.799
<v Speaker 1>long podcast, that's what I said, with sure, sure, Sure. Also,

614
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe the hardest that I have laughed at

615
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>anything in a long time is when Miltchik is asked

616
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 1>or told to apologize for using a big word Max

617
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 1>credit Union, Max, who are you giving credit to.

618
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 2>To me, it's an easy, easy decit in here. Britt

619
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Lauer pulling double duty and purposefully trying to throw off

620
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 2>the audience and the people in the show was unbelievable,

621
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and like again at the end, there's a big common

622
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 2>station to be had about what's actually going on there.

623
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>I just think she was amazing. If she doesn't win

624
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>an Emmy for her role this season, we riot.

625
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I think you're gonna see multiple emmys from the cast.

626
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I think you might see three emmys. Adam Scott. What's

627
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the fellow's name that plays Milchik, Trammel, Tillman, I would

628
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>say him, and then Helly. I think all three of

629
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>them will.

630
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.799
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if she gets supporting her lead. She should

631
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>be a lead, but she might end up being.

632
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>It might be supporting.

633
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.119
<v Speaker 3>She should be up for lead. You can have a

634
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:29.279
<v Speaker 3>female and a male lead.

635
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Right could the best supporting actor? Could they lose votes

636
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.000
<v Speaker 1>to each other? Is it like MVP?

637
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>No, because I think because it's probably female male right.

638
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<v Speaker 1>So now what I'm saying though, is I think that

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<v Speaker 1>like Dylan g and Tudor Row also need to be

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<v Speaker 1>considered as well.

641
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<v Speaker 3>That happened a lot and lost yeah, people would get

642
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<v Speaker 3>like a massive cast.

643
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to that point as well, through the first four episodes,

644
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Irving was the MVP.

645
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.839
<v Speaker 1>He was. He was amazing in that. And I because

646
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the season we say, we say the season is long,

647
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 1>it's only ten episodes, but because the season is you know,

648
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>longer than what we got, like you almost forgot.

649
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>The episodes, but it's like eight or nine hours, you know.

650
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>It's also like it's a lot to ingest in your

651
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<v Speaker 1>brain as well, so like you almost forget about tut

652
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Row in this season.

653
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<v Speaker 2>It's a good point.

654
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 3>And I would say if you did a tabulation of

655
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 3>Milchek's time on screen, it's probably pretty low. He does

656
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot with a little in that episode where he's

657
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 3>just streaming in the Mira. He's in that episode for

658
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:32.440
<v Speaker 3>like five minutes.

659
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, unbelievable job done.

660
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Are you saying right now that he's a bit of

661
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 1>a beatle juice, he's a bit of an animal lecter.

662
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 3>He's not probably tallied more than fifteen minutes in any

663
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.279
<v Speaker 3>given episode, maybe say Woa Woa's hollow. He's only in

664
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.720
<v Speaker 3>those little scenes and he is standing out above everybody.

665
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:54.599
<v Speaker 2>That's a very strong point for.

666
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Those of you Tarty to the Mac and Goo party.

667
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 1>We rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system.

668
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.279
<v Speaker 1>We just talked about all of this. I think this

669
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>is the best when it comes to week to week intrigue.

670
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>This is forty dogs. The acting is amazing, The thought

671
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>in this show is amazing. The writing is very good.

672
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>It's funny, it's intriguing. It's just weird enough. It does

673
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'm not in love with the goat stuff. We're

674
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna find out more about the goat stuff, I think,

675
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 1>but this is just good. Put your phone down, shut

676
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the fuck up. If you're sitting with someone else, we're

677
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>watching Severance.

678
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm not ready to give it forty for a couple

679
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 2>of reasons. But if you go back to Halloween and

680
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about breaking bad, how the next couple seasons

681
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>build into what those seasons built, maybe it does go

682
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 2>up a dog. My initial reaction was thirty eight. I

683
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.759
<v Speaker 2>gave Season one thirty six. I wanted to say thirty

684
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>eight on this. I might be thirty nine because it

685
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 2>has dominated my brain space and my mind so much

686
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>since I've watched the finale. But there's also few things

687
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 2>I actually don't like, and we'll get into it in spoilers,

688
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 2>but again they could be purposeful. We just don't know

689
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>that yet. So I'll go thirty nine with the possibility

690
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 2>of it going up or down a dog.

691
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go forty one just to even and op

692
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:19.880
<v Speaker 3>for everybody. It's perfect and not only all the things

693
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.640
<v Speaker 3>that Goo said about this show. This cinematography and editing

694
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 3>is world class, some of the best I've ever seen.

695
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 3>The Gema flashback episode was one of the best television

696
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 3>episodes period, from every aspect of it, literally every aspect

697
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 3>was beautiful.

698
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>That reminded me of the what was an episode three

699
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.559
<v Speaker 2>of The Last of Us when they tell that love

700
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.039
<v Speaker 2>story within that world too?

701
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Like that was that was next Live also started the

702
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 1>season with that running sequence that took them like five months.

703
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>That was completely worth it. What a way to start

704
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 1>the season and set up the season too.

705
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so to you, I'm not like so the quality

706
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 2>of the show is there. However, when you when you're

707
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.839
<v Speaker 2>dealing with like sci fi and some time slipping, sometimes

708
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.119
<v Speaker 2>things might not connect. And that's all I'm leaving open

709
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>there is.

710
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be a rationally mad in like ten minutes.

711
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>What a way to sit on the fence by the

712
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 1>way being like, I'm thirty nine, but I could be forty.

713
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.800
<v Speaker 2>It's the best season of television I watched this season

714
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 2>one of the Last of Us. Last of Us was

715
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:20.000
<v Speaker 2>a forty dog season.

716
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.079
<v Speaker 1>It's okay to have two forty dog seasons.

717
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I agree. I don't know if you was there for me.

718
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Shall we get to spoilers?

719
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's spiler spilers episodes real quick. If you really

720
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>want full episode breakdowns, go listen to Billy on hashtag

721
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 2>door the Other Billy literally they did it weekly. We'll

722
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 2>name the episode real quick. If you want to chime

723
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 2>in with something here, please do uh. The season opener

724
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>was Hello and Miss Kobell. This is where Mark comes

725
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:48.360
<v Speaker 2>into the office with a new team.

726
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 1>The opening running sequence is amazing in there, and I

727
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 1>did think that at some point in the season they

728
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 1>would bring back that other cast of characters to do something.

729
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.280
<v Speaker 1>But I'm also final with them using them as just

730
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.360
<v Speaker 1>like a throwaway and they don't mean anything.

731
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Great easter egg though, for maybe when she's like our

732
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.280
<v Speaker 3>our robots, like we're animatronic and they moved and then

733
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 3>in the last episode he's moving around.

734
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good point. I didn't even catch that episode two,

735
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Goodbye Miss selvig Audi, Mark contemplates the meaning of a message.

736
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Looman is grappling with the fallout from the overtime contingency,

737
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and what we also find out in these first two

738
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:28.280
<v Speaker 2>episodes is they straight up lied to Mark. It hasn't

739
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>been five months, you know, there was they didn't make

740
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 2>it into the paper, like they're just trying to, you know,

741
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>get Mark back to work.

742
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 3>This was the biggest o shit in moments besides the

743
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.599
<v Speaker 3>end of season one, of the whole series to this point,

744
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 3>because you're finding out so much about everybody, especially like

745
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Dylan and Milcheck and what's going on with them. This

746
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 3>was a great episode, one of I would say the

747
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.239
<v Speaker 3>top four of the series.

748
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the early the first four episodes is a lot

749
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>of them trying to build the trust back up between

750
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>each other, Dylan having the existential crisis of like what

751
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>is the point of what I'm doing in here? And

752
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.159
<v Speaker 1>you also find out the backstory of him like kind

753
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of being a loser, yeah, not having that same personality

754
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 1>on the outside knowing, and I think his character really

755
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 1>does sell the fact that it's two different people, it's

756
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 1>an inside and an outside and they have nothing to

757
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:22.760
<v Speaker 1>do with each other, and it's.

758
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 2>It's funny to think about too, like you would say

759
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 2>that Mark Helly and Irving, although their innies and outies

760
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 2>are different, a lot of the same character notes, whereas

761
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Doing's they were completely different. And from the beginning of

762
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.320
<v Speaker 2>season one to the ends of season two, his any

763
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:39.880
<v Speaker 2>probably changes the most.

764
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, he seems like he was beaten down by a

765
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 3>wife and children, and he used to be like it's.

766
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Who among us? No also, and well, we also got

767
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>these first couple episodes of so you're saying he's a

768
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>night god. No, oh, yes, Tudoro kind of slipping into

769
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>like a walk in a little bit when he was

770
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 1>doing it. But the two of them on the screen

771
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 1>together later on was also great.

772
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Episode three, Who was Alive? The Squad's all back together

773
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 2>at Lumen uh, and they're like, finally all on the

774
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>same page, trying to figure out what Lumen could be

775
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:14.960
<v Speaker 2>up to. But more and more in the back of

776
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.719
<v Speaker 2>your mind, you're like, Helly's Helena's behind enemy lions here,

777
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 2>this is Lena, this is not Helly. So they need

778
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 2>to watch what they're doing and saying you sure about that?

779
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Woes hollow episode four. This is the retreat they go on,

780
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.159
<v Speaker 2>which I guess presumably we have to assume it's in

781
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 2>the building somewhere. I don't think they're outside.

782
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. The building goes forever. That's also what

783
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 3>we discovered because I guarantee you it goes to the

784
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Egans house when they show that shot. It goes forever.

785
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 1>They also have the protocols where they can switch them

786
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 1>to the innies on the outside as well.

787
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like with some of the physics of

788
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>what's going on on the outside. It doesn't feel like

789
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 2>it's outside, But again, we don't know what actual world

790
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:02.519
<v Speaker 2>we're in. This is where Mark fucks Helena and you

791
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>we're like, oh, he's getting flashbacks of Gemma. But more importantly,

792
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 2>this is where Irving finally outs Helly as Helena because

793
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:13.679
<v Speaker 2>he says, and I think we should remember this when

794
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 2>we get to the finale, Helly was never cruel and

795
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 2>it's such a It's it's not like something that she like,

796
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.599
<v Speaker 2>it's who Helly is. And I know once we get

797
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>to the finale and he's are making a change in general,

798
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>but I think we should remember that also.

799
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>While this show gets horny in a couple of these episodes.

800
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the unsexiest shows of all time.

801
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 2>In terms of like colors and what they're wearing.

802
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 1>In terms of like the sex, it's not very sexy.

803
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.519
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty cold, you know, I.

804
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Thought it was pretty hot.

805
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about? That was pretty accurate. Last

806
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:58.159
<v Speaker 2>about thirty seconds under a tables Trojan's horse Irving's gone.

807
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Milchik gets his progress report and is this the episode

808
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 2>where Helena meets Mark in the restaurant. Yes, yeah, that

809
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:11.280
<v Speaker 2>was the big thing there, really creepy scene there Milchick

810
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.360
<v Speaker 2>getting his progress report and it being like laming, like

811
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:19.320
<v Speaker 2>it being so like that I love about this shows

812
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>all the underlying stuff is like like, I don't even

813
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.880
<v Speaker 2>know how to describe that. It's just it was unbelievable,

814
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Like that was laugh out loud seeing him getting that pan.

815
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh, and then the if it takes over three hours,

816
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.199
<v Speaker 3>we'll order lunch. I hope it won't take over three hours.

817
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.719
<v Speaker 3>Here's the lunch menu. Just like that's perfect workplace comedy stuff.

818
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 1>His reaction to this stuff is just so good as well.

819
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 3>It's fucking great and the best part about him still

820
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.840
<v Speaker 3>you don't know what his motivations externally are which is

821
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.039
<v Speaker 3>a theory of mind coming later.

822
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that and that's gonna hange upon whether my

823
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 2>score may go up or down this season in the future,

824
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.599
<v Speaker 2>because I was pretty bummed to see his actions at

825
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>the at the end of the season, episode six Attila.

826
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 2>This is where Mark now bangs Helly, he's now double

827
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:06.119
<v Speaker 2>dipped Irving, goes to dinner at Bert's. We meet Fields

828
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 2>and this is also the episode in which Mark officially

829
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:13.440
<v Speaker 2>decides to reintegrate give her Gabby everything she needs to do.

830
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 3>This might be the Chinese food moment, because that's when

831
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 3>he does break.

832
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This is that episode, Episode seven, Chickai Bardo. This

833
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.480
<v Speaker 2>is the episode Billy was talking about. This is Mark

834
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.119
<v Speaker 2>and Jemma's backstory. It's incredibly well done. It's emotional, it's sad,

835
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 2>it's and it gives us because we've this whole season.

836
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.440
<v Speaker 2>End of season one, she's alive. We're talking about Gemma.

837
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.800
<v Speaker 2>We're really trying to figure out what the fuck's going

838
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 2>on with jem since that moment. Yeah, and what's going

839
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 2>on what happened between her and Mark, And we get

840
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Speaker 2>most of that.

841
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 3>And you get the whole testing floor and all that shit,

842
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 3>all those rooms that she has twenty five, twenty four

843
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 3>different personalities, how important she is to this process? And

844
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 3>you also, somebody pointed this out, get a couple other

845
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 3>like sheltery rooms that are in that area, which means

846
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Speaker 3>they're probably other people.

847
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Just like, Yeah, that's a question that is definitely raised

848
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.960
<v Speaker 2>by what the hell the other MDR people are doing

849
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 2>are they? Are they facilitating Mark's work or are they

850
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:13.599
<v Speaker 2>working on other people? Right? And we won't have that

851
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:14.360
<v Speaker 2>answer for a bit.

852
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Do all of those other people also have to do

853
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 1>with Mark?

854
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I don't know. That's that's like one of the

855
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.719
<v Speaker 2>bigger mysteries still surrounding.

856
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 1>What does the brother in law have to do with this?

857
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Right?

858
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 3>That's the biggest miss from this entire series because Ricken

859
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:32.840
<v Speaker 3>in season one would have been my plemonade, maybe my MVP.

860
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 3>He's one of the naturally most funny characters on TV.

861
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Ever, well, especially when they reached out to him about

862
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.679
<v Speaker 1>the book almost being gospel and changing some stuff around

863
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.280
<v Speaker 1>for Lumin. I'm like, right, does he have something to

864
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.199
<v Speaker 1>do with Lumin?

865
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.280
<v Speaker 3>I read the book. It seems like from the book

866
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:49.599
<v Speaker 3>nothing but the way he switched so quickly something.

867
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Billy, can you please step back and see

868
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:52.519
<v Speaker 1>and Natalie is in.

869
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Natalie goes to Devin and Rickens home like there's fucking something.

870
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.199
<v Speaker 2>There's something there. And I'm not saying Devin really changed

871
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>her actions, but the fact that she was willing to

872
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 2>leave her infant son for two days and Ricken and

873
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>like that was fine. That was fucking weird too.

874
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 3>Her facial acting throughout the course of the last few

875
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.199
<v Speaker 3>episodes leads me to believe she's up to something.

876
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is. And she was so

877
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 2>quick to go to Cabell too.

878
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Billy. What was in the book?

879
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 3>So it's basically the beginning of his life and his

880
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:24.920
<v Speaker 3>life's story, and that he was actually closer to Jimma

881
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.679
<v Speaker 3>than Mark was, and that him and Mark have always

882
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.719
<v Speaker 3>had a little friction. They had a huge falling out

883
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.119
<v Speaker 3>after the death of her because he basically said, you're

884
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 3>a joke. She didn't even like you. We made fun

885
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.000
<v Speaker 3>of you all the time type of stuff. But he

886
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 3>was also birthed by two like performance artists, mother and

887
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.000
<v Speaker 3>father there abandoned their group was called Hump Dumpster. So

888
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.840
<v Speaker 3>he's like an odd guy like the reason he's so

889
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 3>weird is because his parents are so weird. So I

890
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.920
<v Speaker 3>don't know if that whole autobiotgrag like the uu are

891
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.039
<v Speaker 3>is like fake and he's just like allumin Plant all along.

892
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 3>But if he he's true to the book, he's a wacky, wild,

893
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 3>crazy guy. But the fact that he switched so quickly,

894
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm with Mac. It doesn't make any sense because from

895
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.119
<v Speaker 3>season one to season two he seems like the kind

896
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.280
<v Speaker 3>of guy you would never get to switch. He's like

897
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.960
<v Speaker 3>one of those Apple employees you walk in and like

898
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:20.360
<v Speaker 3>he's just like that kind of guy.

899
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>That's like I could see him switch in the way

900
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 1>of like, you know, being a sellout.

901
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they seem like.

902
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, But there's also something like why Devin even chose

903
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Rick first place, Right, there's just something.

904
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Weird because the way that he writes speaks to the

905
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 1>people on the inside because they're all dummies. Yeah, because

906
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:45.519
<v Speaker 1>they're all idiots.

907
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.639
<v Speaker 2>No, I get that aspect, that aspect I could buy.

908
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 3>The other thing is outside his words in the book

909
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:56.320
<v Speaker 3>actually have a lot of depth, Like they're not just

910
00:43:56.440 --> 00:44:00.119
<v Speaker 3>like silly words. It's I didn't actually read it, not

911
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 3>the podcast audio book.

912
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.079
<v Speaker 1>I was so excited about that.

913
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't read are kidding me?

914
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.679
<v Speaker 2>Episode eight, Sweet Vitriol. This is Cobel's backstory. We learned

915
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.239
<v Speaker 2>that Harmony Cobell was the inventor of Severance, and essentially

916
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Luhman stole her work, patented her work. And so really

917
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>why she's so invested is because it's her work. It's

918
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Luman by name, but it's what she developed and she's

919
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and this is why she's so invested. You find out

920
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.239
<v Speaker 2>the end of season one with Regabi and reintegration because

921
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 2>it's probably shit she was also working on that got

922
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.679
<v Speaker 2>halted by Lumen. So she's just intrigued by the I

923
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.400
<v Speaker 2>think the scientific aspects of everything because her work got

924
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 2>stopped and halted by Luman, taken over by Luman.

925
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:46.760
<v Speaker 3>I think they've perverted it.

926
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that that's part of it too, right, So

927
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I think her I think the majority of her interest

928
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I think is scientific, and I think prior to this episode,

929
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.239
<v Speaker 2>reread into her as being like a really bad person

930
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:02.079
<v Speaker 2>when you find find out where she grew up, like

931
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.000
<v Speaker 2>she was trying to do really good things because of

932
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the way.

933
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 1>She grew up and she wanted to start a throupple

934
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 1>with Mark.

935
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.159
<v Speaker 3>It's true, even though Mark has a few throubles going on.

936
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.039
<v Speaker 3>And in the finale you get a key little thing

937
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 3>from her where Mark's about to leave as any Mark

938
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 3>and he goes, you know, if you care about your

939
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.800
<v Speaker 3>brother blah blah blah, and she's like, Mark, I care

940
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.719
<v Speaker 3>for you. And it was almost needless if she doesn't

941
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 3>have some sort of connection to him, you know what

942
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Other than just the fact of the severance Chip,

943
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 3>I think she was behind the whole gym of kidnapping

944
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.760
<v Speaker 3>and car accident and like getting them to be together,

945
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 3>because hey, the only way this is gonna work to

946
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.239
<v Speaker 3>map somebody is if we get a couple in love

947
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:42.760
<v Speaker 3>or something.

948
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Right.

949
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh, also we didn't even mention this. We have the

950
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.920
<v Speaker 1>whole the Any Dylan cocking Audi Dylan as well, yeah.

951
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, which that's a would you be jealous of your

952
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:55.400
<v Speaker 2>own self?

953
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

954
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 2>And I also so different people and we're getting to

955
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 2>this and here the actual finale, I loved the contrast

956
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.559
<v Speaker 2>that Dylan's Any was actually or Dylan's Audi was actually

957
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty thoughtful and forgiving to his Any. And then you

958
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 2>have the two Marks basically screaming at each other.

959
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Which I think is going to lead into and this

960
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>is my theory, like midway through the year was that

961
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 1>by the end of this show there will be no

962
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.239
<v Speaker 1>more Audi Dylan. Any Dylan will just take over the

963
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Dylan life.

964
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 2>It seems to me that Audi Dylan may have made

965
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.119
<v Speaker 2>a change though, like he may have like I don't know.

966
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.679
<v Speaker 3>They're also in love with the same person though, Yeah,

967
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Mark and Mark are in love with different people.

968
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:40.239
<v Speaker 2>That's a good point.

969
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 3>I also think we're already watching somebody who is only

970
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 3>an inny, and I think that is Melchick. I think

971
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.880
<v Speaker 3>his Audi has been removed and that is why you

972
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 3>don't really see his external motivations because it's probably pretty

973
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:52.480
<v Speaker 3>fucking sad. Yeah, I think we'll get to it.

974
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, that's that's something that looms large Episode nine,

975
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 2>the after hours Devin was seeking out, Gobell finally gets

976
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:03.159
<v Speaker 2>in contact with her brings Mark Tucabell. They go to

977
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 2>that cabin. In this episode, we also get uh, what's

978
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 2>his face? The big dude?

979
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:09.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh Drummond.

980
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Drummond telling Milchek to apologize, and Miltchik says devour feculence.

981
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 3>And means each shit.

982
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I say.

983
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 3>This is basically a two part finale because it's so interconnected,

984
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for sure, and uh like.

985
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Like the drive and like the build up of getting

986
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 2>to that cabin, which it was a great idea and

987
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>then dropping that in in season one knowing it was

988
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.079
<v Speaker 2>going to play back now is awesome. And I find

989
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.559
<v Speaker 2>it interesting that, Like I guess that so because like

990
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Jemma has twenty five personalities, right, so if she would

991
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.079
<v Speaker 2>go to the cabin, she would be Miss Casey. So

992
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.199
<v Speaker 2>it's like very calculated as to which one would pop up,

993
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 2>you know. It's it's interesting, like to which door they

994
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>would go through matters, But we didn't really get into

995
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 2>that too much. Uh So, finally we get to the

996
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 2>finale episode ten, Cold Harbor, and let me let me

997
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:04.000
<v Speaker 2>start by saying, I fucking hated the ending. I hated

998
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the ending. I love you so much.

999
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I loved it. I love we get.

1000
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 2>We spend two seasons, we're a season and a half

1001
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 2>wondering about Miss Casey. We finally figure out where Gemma is,

1002
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 2>how to get there. We freed Gemma in fantastic fashion

1003
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.360
<v Speaker 2>that twenty to thirty minutes when he goes into Cold

1004
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Harbor and he pulls her out and she turns back

1005
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 2>in to Gemma and he's Mark because that's a different floor. Amazing, amazing,

1006
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 2>amazing moment, really satisfying, and he does what he's supposed

1007
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 2>to do. He gets her out that door. And I'm

1008
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.440
<v Speaker 2>also wondering, I'm sure she picks up as they they're

1009
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 2>running through or as she's looking back through the glass.

1010
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.679
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't know Mark severed until maybe the moment at

1011
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the very end. Maybe she's she's she's putting two and

1012
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.679
<v Speaker 2>two together. But that's interesting that he never even mentioned

1013
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:57.639
<v Speaker 2>to her before they went up, like, hey, by the way,

1014
00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:59.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm severed. When we get to this floor, I guess

1015
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't remembercau she's miss Casey, but she would have

1016
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.840
<v Speaker 2>remembered when she got out, So that was kind of

1017
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:06.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty convenient. I really that bothered the ship out of me,

1018
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:10.199
<v Speaker 2>because if you're Mark, you would tell her you were severed.

1019
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, But you also don't know what Jim

1020
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 3>and knows down there. She might know because she's like,

1021
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 3>do I get to see Mark? Then she might be

1022
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.360
<v Speaker 3>able to know that Mark's up.

1023
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's a very I see your plight.

1024
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.119
<v Speaker 2>I think I would have told her on the way up,

1025
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 2>as we hit the elevator. By the way, I'm severed.

1026
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you just freedom and explain the whole plan because

1027
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>they're in the building.

1028
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Though they're still in the building, so it matters.

1029
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:36.239
<v Speaker 1>He's excited to see her and get her out of

1030
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:37.679
<v Speaker 1>the buildings.

1031
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Bothered me.

1032
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 1>The adrenaline. Thank you, Billy, the adrenaline.

1033
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even think for us. You can't even operate

1034
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.960
<v Speaker 3>your keys when you're like that adrenaline pumped up.

1035
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:49.639
<v Speaker 1>Time out.

1036
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.480
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, you just tell her right before you

1037
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 2>smooch's going up. Hey, By the way, I'm severed, that

1038
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:56.599
<v Speaker 2>might matter, and she'll figure it out. She's been there too,

1039
00:49:57.639 --> 00:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>because she won't even know. I know, but when she

1040
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.519
<v Speaker 2>goes back through the glass, she doesn't know, which makes

1041
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.000
<v Speaker 2>it even more heartbreaking. I do think she puts it

1042
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 2>together because she's not stupid. I think she figures it out.

1043
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.519
<v Speaker 2>We get that look from Helly at the end, as

1044
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Mark's already gone past the corner. She looks specifically at

1045
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Gemma and she pulls a Helena move. She acted like

1046
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 2>a Helly would never ever ever do that? Now they do?

1047
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 2>They do spend the episode in this whole innings revolt,

1048
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:37.599
<v Speaker 2>and they're making decisions for themselves. But if she really

1049
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 2>cared for Mark and she knows Jemma's the wife, she

1050
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.960
<v Speaker 2>should have pushed Mark. Helly should have pushed Mark to Gemma.

1051
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 3>She did that in the verbal conversation they have at

1052
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.679
<v Speaker 3>the desk, because I think that was Helly that she does.

1053
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 3>There is a really good theory, like she says, me

1054
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.880
<v Speaker 3>to the equator. Lumen is the actual equator in their logo,

1055
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.239
<v Speaker 3>which is kind of a cool little tie in there,

1056
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:04.920
<v Speaker 3>and that door is supposedly the equator of the entire building,

1057
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.280
<v Speaker 3>separating the in from the out. So when she says

1058
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.679
<v Speaker 3>meet me at the equator, they're talking about right there.

1059
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.119
<v Speaker 3>And if you go back and look at Helly's look,

1060
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:13.920
<v Speaker 3>it is a little bit of a fuck you. But

1061
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.519
<v Speaker 3>what on rewatch? It's not as damning as like, hey bitch,

1062
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 3>I got your man.

1063
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's.

1064
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Not. It's quick and it's not as bad as you think.

1065
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:26.920
<v Speaker 3>First viewing, I was like, oh shit, I will Mark

1066
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 3>arave owner.

1067
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.599
<v Speaker 2>I think that she spends this episode partially as Helly

1068
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.840
<v Speaker 2>and partially as Helena. I don't think she's Elena the

1069
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:35.280
<v Speaker 2>whole time.

1070
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 3>I think that does possible.

1071
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 2>That does coincide with a couple things that will have

1072
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to happen. You know, after milk check goes out, he

1073
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.840
<v Speaker 2>either has to contact someone or activate the Glasgow block

1074
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.679
<v Speaker 2>himself so that she becomes Helena, so that he's not

1075
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.599
<v Speaker 2>fighting a losing battle by himself. He now has another person.

1076
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 1>I think it might have all been Helena, and I

1077
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:57.280
<v Speaker 1>think that part of what they might have been trying

1078
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to do is now Mark, he might never leave the building.

1079
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Mark might want to stay in that building because as

1080
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 1>soon as Mark leaves, he's never going to go back.

1081
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.159
<v Speaker 2>So to that point, we do open the episode with

1082
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Helena's father basically saying he prefers Helly so that there

1083
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:17.679
<v Speaker 2>also is the chance that he somehow has the power

1084
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:20.400
<v Speaker 2>to flip them. Now Helene is down there and Helly

1085
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.840
<v Speaker 2>will be the oudie because he likes what the like

1086
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 2>the spunk in Helly compared to Helly will never do that.

1087
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.480
<v Speaker 3>I think the theory that machine, Yeah, I think her

1088
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 3>switching at the very end is a pretty good theory,

1089
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:34.360
<v Speaker 3>like just for that moment because to your point about

1090
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 3>the door, when she's escaping from the door in the

1091
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.320
<v Speaker 3>early season, she can come in and out freely, right,

1092
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 3>but then when she tries to break out of it,

1093
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:42.199
<v Speaker 3>she can't.

1094
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.559
<v Speaker 2>So that's that was the next point. I'm glad you

1095
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>brought that up. So now Jema's on the outside of

1096
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that door, and the last time we saw anything with

1097
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.039
<v Speaker 2>his door, someone could come right back in. Now maybe

1098
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.639
<v Speaker 2>that's because Helena can get in wherever the hell she wants,

1099
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.920
<v Speaker 2>which is a possibility, but that there's also something a

1100
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.400
<v Speaker 2>little fast and loose there, like why couldn't yeumma just

1101
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>open that door.

1102
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.199
<v Speaker 3>The creators might look at you and go like, come on, guy,

1103
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.519
<v Speaker 3>or they might have a deeper meaning for it. In

1104
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.079
<v Speaker 3>later seasons. I loved that Mark walks away with Helly

1105
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.480
<v Speaker 3>because to me, for me, when you think about it,

1106
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 3>really this show is still about like workplace and corporate slaves,

1107
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:21.400
<v Speaker 3>and Mark created his own slave, and then he slighted

1108
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:24.199
<v Speaker 3>him at the beginning of the episode being like, hey,

1109
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.440
<v Speaker 3>I know you have your own little thing down there,

1110
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 3>imagine that. But by one hundred, it's like, dude, you

1111
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 3>created me. You gave me this little slice of life,

1112
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.719
<v Speaker 3>which Helly says, and I think that means that's really

1113
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 3>herd down there, because she's the most poignant thing, like

1114
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:37.519
<v Speaker 3>you gave us this little slice of life and you

1115
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.079
<v Speaker 3>expect us not to fight for it. Then he walks

1116
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 3>away with her, And to me, he has every right

1117
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.519
<v Speaker 3>to do that. He fulfilled his job, he freed Gemma,

1118
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:48.960
<v Speaker 3>and he's kind of useless. Now Drummond was gonna kill

1119
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:51.800
<v Speaker 3>him and like without thinking about it, so they're gonna

1120
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.079
<v Speaker 3>have to. My theory is they create a revolution with

1121
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.440
<v Speaker 3>the band and they try to take over the floor.

1122
00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like it's so fruitless and like shortsighted when

1123
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:04.599
<v Speaker 2>they've spent two seasons building out a really well thought

1124
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 2>out thing. And so they're gonna run down the hall

1125
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 2>for three minutes and then get caught.

1126
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 1>No, now Mark is forever, So Mark never wants to

1127
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.800
<v Speaker 1>leave again. Mark wants going to have to You don't

1128
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.320
<v Speaker 1>know that now, Yes, now, because any and Autie Mark

1129
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:21.840
<v Speaker 1>had this deal. It's not gonna let Mark just run

1130
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.199
<v Speaker 1>around the buildings. It's not run around the building. Done

1131
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:26.119
<v Speaker 1>with it, it's not run around the building. This might

1132
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.159
<v Speaker 1>have been what the purpose of what they wanted. They

1133
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.599
<v Speaker 1>wanted him to forever be there and now they can

1134
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 1>move on to a new plan.

1135
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't think Drummond would have snuffed him out like

1136
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.679
<v Speaker 3>Drummond was gonna kill him with no hesitation.

1137
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Because they're done with no better.

1138
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.639
<v Speaker 1>They also might have known that he had the ability

1139
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 1>to take out the fucking giant. You gotta slay the

1140
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 1>giant to save the princess.

1141
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:49.280
<v Speaker 2>My man. You know, Artistically, them running away down the

1142
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.800
<v Speaker 2>hall in this sort of whimsical, crazy dream like sequence,

1143
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.840
<v Speaker 2>i'llah of the graduate is like fun in good story wise.

1144
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 2>But to your point, Billy, you know about the Ennis

1145
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.800
<v Speaker 2>and this workplace thing, and there is a bigger meaning

1146
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.159
<v Speaker 2>for what this show is about. But what this show

1147
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.199
<v Speaker 2>is about to me, or what it became, is Mark

1148
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and Jemma. To me, it became that and not.

1149
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.760
<v Speaker 3>What maybe they're going off to Romeo and Juliette themselves.

1150
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's why I'm so upset, because I was

1151
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.320
<v Speaker 2>rooting for this Mark and Jemma thing the whole time,

1152
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and but.

1153
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.599
<v Speaker 1>We we go, yeah, but Matt, you as you also

1154
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:31.960
<v Speaker 1>rooted for Jim and Pam, and then look what happened there.

1155
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.480
<v Speaker 1>It ruined the show. To the ruined the.

1156
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Show, I think it's okay because one this show is

1157
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:39.639
<v Speaker 3>going to go in a million different directions, and you

1158
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.400
<v Speaker 3>don't know my theory is that mil Check on the

1159
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 3>top of that thing screams out I'm an indie as well,

1160
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.760
<v Speaker 3>and they literally all band together and they try to

1161
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.679
<v Speaker 3>take out Lumen that way, Like, there's no way it's

1162
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 3>going to be as simple as Mark and Helly get

1163
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.320
<v Speaker 3>killed and the show's over right, something cool is.

1164
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Going to be an amazing season for me of season three.

1165
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, so if you look at like I guess, for

1166
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:05.000
<v Speaker 2>lack of a better terms of battle lines you have,

1167
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:06.760
<v Speaker 2>we don't even know if gem is gonna make it

1168
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:08.360
<v Speaker 2>out of the building, which also pisses me off.

1169
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:10.000
<v Speaker 1>She will, Yeah, that was my first question. Do you

1170
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:11.599
<v Speaker 1>guys think that she makes it out of the building.

1171
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Probably I think so too. And then the season three

1172
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 1>is her trying to get Mark out?

1173
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, you have Kobell, Regabi, Devin Ricken on the outside

1174
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 2>and maybe some others, and then you have the Innie

1175
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>still in. There's just no conceivable way that Luhman is

1176
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 2>going to want Mark in the building, and they control

1177
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.519
<v Speaker 2>enough other severed people to make anything happen.

1178
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:35.639
<v Speaker 1>But Mark is the key.

1179
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 2>No, he's not not any more. He's done. They're done

1180
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 2>with Mark.

1181
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:42.119
<v Speaker 1>That would just be a different Now the whole point

1182
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 1>of Cole Harbor.

1183
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 3>I kind of agree with that part of it. So

1184
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I do think they're just gonna go around and free

1185
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.239
<v Speaker 3>all the innies and be like, hey, we don't have

1186
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:52.840
<v Speaker 3>to take this shit anymore and free the other departments.

1187
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Like look, how big fucking Also, the fact that they

1188
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:57.480
<v Speaker 3>pulled out the ninety six Bulls intro music was one

1189
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.599
<v Speaker 3>of the magest moments in television history. Hands down.

1190
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>That was one of the moments where my eyebrows raised

1191
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>up and I'm like, wait, are we doing this thistomenal?

1192
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.840
<v Speaker 2>So let's get to the cabin conversations, because there's multiple

1193
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.679
<v Speaker 2>and they're very meaningful, but also bothered the shit out

1194
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:16.599
<v Speaker 2>of me. Is Mark having this Anyadi conversation on a

1195
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Speaker 2>cam quarder when they have smartphones? What was that?

1196
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:21.800
<v Speaker 3>But do they have cameras on those smartphones?

1197
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:22.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean so.

1198
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Also, we've seen every time that Helena has speaken to

1199
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Helly season one, it would always be with the cam quarder.

1200
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Well because she wouldn't have a phone when she was down.

1201
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:32.760
<v Speaker 1>There, right, But I think they're just trying to keep

1202
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the continuity of what they've already been doing.

1203
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, I didn't care for that. It was

1204
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.519
<v Speaker 2>bothered shit out of me. We get the confirmation of

1205
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:43.840
<v Speaker 2>the tempers here from Kobell talking to any Mark, and

1206
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.159
<v Speaker 2>we learned that the MDR numbers are the building blocks

1207
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of people's minds. So Mark has completed twenty five files.

1208
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.400
<v Speaker 2>It's twenty five different gemas down on that hell floor.

1209
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.320
<v Speaker 2>But that begs the question, then, what are the other

1210
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 2>three MDR workers doing. Are they supporting Mark's work? Are

1211
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:06.239
<v Speaker 2>they helping facilitate all of his files the twenty five gemas?

1212
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Or are Dylan, Irving and Helly working on other things?

1213
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:11.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know?

1214
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Are they feeding Marx files? Right?

1215
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I don't know?

1216
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:18.800
<v Speaker 3>So in season one they say Mark had a freshman

1217
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:21.800
<v Speaker 3>fluke and he refined more files faster than anybody ever.

1218
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 3>They also say that one in five files expires. So

1219
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:28.360
<v Speaker 3>I think they're all working on people, and they're just

1220
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.440
<v Speaker 3>not as good as Mark is because Mark has such

1221
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:32.800
<v Speaker 3>a strong connection with who he's doing it for, and

1222
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.159
<v Speaker 3>he finally got to the twenty five quota where they

1223
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Speaker 3>were gonna pull it out of her killer and sell

1224
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:38.000
<v Speaker 3>it as the prototype.

1225
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Huh, Yeah, that's I could believe that. It's just that's

1226
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 2>another where they answered a question. Now we had three,

1227
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:47.639
<v Speaker 2>four to five more questions because of the answer we got.

1228
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.480
<v Speaker 2>We get Devin and Audi Mark being pretty much cold

1229
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:54.719
<v Speaker 2>to any Mark like you mentioned, which I do think

1230
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.920
<v Speaker 2>properly motivates him for the decision he makes at the end.

1231
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I just hated it. We get the robot absolutely ethering

1232
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Milcheck here the Egan robot, and then of course we

1233
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.719
<v Speaker 2>get the choreography of meariment with this marching band sequence,

1234
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.639
<v Speaker 2>which I don't know why it's there, but again in

1235
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:13.440
<v Speaker 2>season one we had a lot of weird parties, so

1236
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I guess it makes sense.

1237
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:15.519
<v Speaker 1>It's for the internet.

1238
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:16.039
<v Speaker 2>It was awesome.

1239
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.480
<v Speaker 1>It's for the Internet. It's for making memes and for

1240
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:20.239
<v Speaker 1>making videos. They know what they're doing.

1241
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.159
<v Speaker 3>Also, Milcheck running out of the room after.

1242
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:27.320
<v Speaker 2>That was dynamic.

1243
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:29.559
<v Speaker 3>He said that he just did it for fun in

1244
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:31.880
<v Speaker 3>one of the takes and he's like, when I watched

1245
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.119
<v Speaker 3>the finale, I couldn't believe they used that, And he's like,

1246
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 3>I guess it made sense.

1247
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.480
<v Speaker 2>The other big revelation we get many of them in

1248
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:42.760
<v Speaker 2>this episode. I guess Cold Harbor is the cradle room.

1249
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Speaker 2>It is one version of any Gemma having to disassemble

1250
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:50.599
<v Speaker 2>the crib model which was called Cold Harbor back in

1251
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 2>episode seven, and see if it would you know, break

1252
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:58.199
<v Speaker 2>the block or whatever in there, and that is just

1253
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.880
<v Speaker 2>so low, yeah, so low. So they're playing their song too,

1254
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:07.719
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, it's just brutal, just like that is unbelievable.

1255
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And then that sequence we get after that, we get

1256
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Oudie mark OUTI Gemma. Well we get Cold Harbor Gemma,

1257
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Audie Mark, Oudie mark OUTI Gemma, and then we get

1258
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.079
<v Speaker 2>miss Casey any Mark and then we get OUTI Gemma

1259
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:24.239
<v Speaker 2>any Mark. Like that dynamic was really cool to play with.

1260
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.119
<v Speaker 2>And obviously you know the couple deaths that happen along

1261
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:27.719
<v Speaker 2>the way, like.

1262
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Trumm and getting his brains blown out is phenomenal, so

1263
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:31.960
<v Speaker 3>satisfying and.

1264
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Like a really creative way to do it, like you

1265
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to kill him, but because of that it

1266
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.119
<v Speaker 2>was it was just perfect. What do we think was

1267
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the point of the twenty five gemas? Why twenty? Like

1268
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.719
<v Speaker 2>why not just like one or ten? Like I don't

1269
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.559
<v Speaker 2>understand why this might be. And one of the prevailing

1270
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Internet theories is that they're testing this number or or

1271
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:57.480
<v Speaker 2>this amount on Gemma because ultimately they're going to implement

1272
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.480
<v Speaker 2>something like this on Helly so she can carry all

1273
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the consciousnesses of the egans. Interesting because why were they

1274
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.639
<v Speaker 2>doing so many So I thought.

1275
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.039
<v Speaker 3>That this was going to be the prototype they sell

1276
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:13.360
<v Speaker 3>as the severance chip to people who are like, Okay,

1277
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.480
<v Speaker 3>so you want to go to the dentist and not

1278
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:17.199
<v Speaker 3>remember it, we have a chip for that. You want

1279
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:18.360
<v Speaker 3>to do this, we have a chip for that.

1280
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:20.599
<v Speaker 2>That's what you can feel.

1281
01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, once again Adam Sandler's click.

1282
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I also and we talked about this a little bit

1283
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.719
<v Speaker 2>via text. What was the death of that goat gonna accomplish?

1284
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:33.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just strictly I'm.

1285
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.639
<v Speaker 1>Sure that they'll explain it further, but it's almost just

1286
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 1>too it's just too much. That's always the animal that's

1287
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Speaker 1>tied to sacrificial with so many of the religions that

1288
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:45.760
<v Speaker 1>that almost just seems like the go to, right I.

1289
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.519
<v Speaker 3>Guess, so, yeah, I I just it was a weird

1290
01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:51.800
<v Speaker 3>thing because the prevailing theory before was that the goat

1291
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:53.719
<v Speaker 3>brain and the human brain are similar. But that's a

1292
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:55.519
<v Speaker 3>baby goat and then she's gonna shoot it right in

1293
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:56.119
<v Speaker 3>the fucking hand.

1294
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, And I'm wondering now that they just if

1295
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.920
<v Speaker 2>they just introduced that aspect of Lumen so that they

1296
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.159
<v Speaker 2>could bring them up there, so that she could help

1297
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Mark in that scene, you know, because they haven't. There's

1298
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.079
<v Speaker 2>just there's been no explanation for why they are.

1299
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:12.400
<v Speaker 3>And then what great casting too.

1300
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Again we get Kobella kind of getting rounded out in

1301
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:16.960
<v Speaker 2>episode seven. I also think this episode does a good

1302
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.039
<v Speaker 2>job to show that she's not working for Lumen. She

1303
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:23.719
<v Speaker 2>was working for them because it was the only way

1304
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:27.440
<v Speaker 2>she could be near Severance or monitor Severance. I don't

1305
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.079
<v Speaker 2>think she wants Lumen to succeed at all, so she.

1306
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.599
<v Speaker 3>Went full scorched Earth. And you can tell that she

1307
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:34.920
<v Speaker 3>did because at the beginning of episode two or three,

1308
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:38.119
<v Speaker 3>she's at the entrance to Saltznek says, nah, let me

1309
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:39.840
<v Speaker 3>see if I can just go do it normally, get

1310
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:41.519
<v Speaker 3>my job back, And then when they were like, oh,

1311
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:44.840
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna fucking kill me, I'm gonna go nuclear burn

1312
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:48.320
<v Speaker 3>bridges and just go napalm on everybody by saying I

1313
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:49.880
<v Speaker 3>created this, not Jane.

1314
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.000
<v Speaker 2>That's a good point. I forgot about that little end

1315
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.199
<v Speaker 2>scene in episode two or three. There again, Dylan's letter

1316
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.199
<v Speaker 2>from his Audi was great and really heartfelt in a

1317
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:00.760
<v Speaker 2>good contrast to the Mark situation. Jumping back to Milcheck,

1318
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:04.639
<v Speaker 2>I was so disappointed that he didn't help in the

1319
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:06.840
<v Speaker 2>end there, And you're right, maybe we open season three

1320
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.239
<v Speaker 2>where he isn't any or he is helping them, but

1321
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.039
<v Speaker 2>they they spent so much time dropping stuff in there

1322
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:15.039
<v Speaker 2>this season for him to turn in this episode, and

1323
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 2>he didn't.

1324
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:18.679
<v Speaker 1>But they also didn't. So season one set him up

1325
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:22.320
<v Speaker 1>as a future boss. This season didn't really set anyone

1326
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.119
<v Speaker 1>else up as like a future boss next season unless

1327
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:27.519
<v Speaker 1>you just go to the to the highest point of

1328
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Helly's father.

1329
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.719
<v Speaker 3>So I do think Milcheck isn't any and I think

1330
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 3>because he's doing a lot of the rebelling not on

1331
01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:39.760
<v Speaker 3>the severed floor or in the office, I think that

1332
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:43.519
<v Speaker 3>may be a doorway for him, because he's always all

1333
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:46.519
<v Speaker 3>business in the severance room or in those areas.

1334
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:49.599
<v Speaker 2>So you think that he could be a gen think,

1335
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.519
<v Speaker 2>do you think there is an outing Milcheck at all anymore?

1336
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.119
<v Speaker 3>No? I think there's a few innies of him. That

1337
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:56.480
<v Speaker 3>would be my weird theory.

1338
01:03:56.559 --> 01:04:00.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that's like that we're gonna need massive clarification

1339
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:03.719
<v Speaker 2>on Milcheck and what his motivations are because it does

1340
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.719
<v Speaker 2>really affect a lot of what happened and what is going.

1341
01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Did you see anything clicking him when he was in

1342
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the room trying to kick over the vending machine.

1343
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:15.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I saw anything clicking him there.

1344
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.360
<v Speaker 3>But the biggest thing to me was this season when

1345
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Miss Wong goes don't give them a funeral. It makes

1346
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.639
<v Speaker 3>it feel like they're real people. And the look in

1347
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.440
<v Speaker 3>his eye is not shut up, little girl, It's like

1348
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:31.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm one of them. Fuck you.

1349
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that you're right. That was an important scene too.

1350
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:36.119
<v Speaker 2>That's a good point.

1351
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.559
<v Speaker 3>And he also when Irving in season one says to him,

1352
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:44.199
<v Speaker 3>you're not severed, and he doesn't look mad, he looks

1353
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:47.239
<v Speaker 3>like depressed, Like, dude, you don't even know. I can't

1354
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:47.760
<v Speaker 3>reveal it.

1355
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, those those are a couple of good points.

1356
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Miss Wang like it's it's at least appears

1357
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:57.719
<v Speaker 2>to me that she just sort of existed for them

1358
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:00.519
<v Speaker 2>to really make you believe more of like a young

1359
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Kobell and how young Cobell sort of like navigated Luming

1360
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.760
<v Speaker 2>because ultimately she didn't matter at all in this season.

1361
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:07.840
<v Speaker 3>And Regaby too.

1362
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Regabi, we thought at the end of season

1363
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.719
<v Speaker 2>one she was working against Cobell. Now, I think they're

1364
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:16.159
<v Speaker 2>probably gonna be in cahoots. Right, they're cut from the

1365
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:18.599
<v Speaker 2>same sort of cloth. It feels like they're going to

1366
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:20.000
<v Speaker 2>be working together going forward.

1367
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:22.119
<v Speaker 3>So someone else that I talk about this show with

1368
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:26.119
<v Speaker 3>behind microphones, we have a theory where they might be

1369
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:31.280
<v Speaker 3>like Obi Wan and Darth Vader type of deal. Like

1370
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:35.599
<v Speaker 3>she was her Miss Wong and they kind of split paths,

1371
01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:38.719
<v Speaker 3>and then that's why one of them was like, don't

1372
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:41.880
<v Speaker 3>talk to her, she's evil, and Regaby on the Cobell

1373
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:43.639
<v Speaker 3>on the phone was likegotty, you know what I mean.

1374
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point. I was starting to think

1375
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.920
<v Speaker 2>of it more though, that Regabri was doing this because

1376
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Cobell is being watched way more than Regaby would be,

1377
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:54.480
<v Speaker 2>so she was sort of an extension of Cobell. But

1378
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:55.559
<v Speaker 2>you could absolutely be right.

1379
01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Also, is the theory of the entire town or like

1380
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:04.079
<v Speaker 1>the entire area being under lumen control any audi is

1381
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:05.679
<v Speaker 1>is that out the window?

1382
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Probably?

1383
01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1384
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.039
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a tough one. I feel like it's not

1385
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 2>even worth addressing though, because I'm so concerned about our

1386
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.800
<v Speaker 2>this story, I don't want to widen it that much.

1387
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.840
<v Speaker 3>You know what if the entire world is severed Mac,

1388
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:21.559
<v Speaker 3>There's theories because Lumin' so water based is all the

1389
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:25.239
<v Speaker 3>file names of water, water, water water, that they're poisoning

1390
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:27.960
<v Speaker 3>the water supply to slowly fucking.

1391
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Basal Man would stop them. Then Batman's always stopped the

1392
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Joker and the Riddler and the Scarecrow from poisoning the

1393
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:34.360
<v Speaker 1>water supply.

1394
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:36.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess I should have led with this point. This

1395
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.519
<v Speaker 2>is my biggest disappointment in this season and probably why

1396
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't give it forty. We spent so much time

1397
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about reintegration during season one and this season, and

1398
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:52.800
<v Speaker 2>ultimately it didn't mean a fucking thing. It was just

1399
01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:56.679
<v Speaker 2>basically to uh, give you a beer Sea story in

1400
01:06:56.679 --> 01:07:00.480
<v Speaker 2>a couple episodes and kind of loosely connect Cobell and Regabi.

1401
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Ultimately it meant nothing, Like it doesn't mean anything.

1402
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:07.960
<v Speaker 3>They tried to sell it to Mark in the finale too.

1403
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.920
<v Speaker 3>That's a little bit of it, like, hey, I'll be around.

1404
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:12.719
<v Speaker 3>I think Regabi's just really bad at it and she

1405
01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:14.320
<v Speaker 3>fucked it up. It gets built up to.

1406
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.360
<v Speaker 2>This big thing, and the big thing in the episode

1407
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:21.239
<v Speaker 2>six or whatever it was, is he's gonna be reintegrated

1408
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and it didn't come back up. He's never reintegrated. It

1409
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.880
<v Speaker 2>never matters. It's that really bothered me because we spent

1410
01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:31.079
<v Speaker 2>so much time on reintegration and it mattered.

1411
01:07:31.159 --> 01:07:31.199
<v Speaker 3>Not.

1412
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Also, if it is a like a big worldwide takeover

1413
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.400
<v Speaker 1>or a poisoning of the water supply type of stuff,

1414
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:39.079
<v Speaker 1>like I'm gonna be very disappointed in that.

1415
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll agree, that's why I want to keep it

1416
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:41.480
<v Speaker 2>a little more.

1417
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to your point, Mac, with that, they could have

1418
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:47.599
<v Speaker 3>solved all the reintegration stuff with Regabi after she almost

1419
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.000
<v Speaker 3>kills him, saying I fucked it all up. We've gotta

1420
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:51.800
<v Speaker 3>have to start from scratch. If they just put that

1421
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:54.159
<v Speaker 3>one line in there, that would have made me happier.

1422
01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:56.920
<v Speaker 3>But I get your complaint there. It is valid because

1423
01:07:57.199 --> 01:07:58.960
<v Speaker 3>he should be at least flashing a little bit.

1424
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now, like like so season three, that still lingers.

1425
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.280
<v Speaker 2>So like Audie Mark is gonna want to reintegrate so

1426
01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:08.599
<v Speaker 2>that he can still be I guess maybe a sleeper

1427
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.239
<v Speaker 2>agent or whatever. But now any Mark might be pushing

1428
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:13.480
<v Speaker 2>back against it in his own brain. Like now, it's

1429
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:15.519
<v Speaker 2>like probably still gonna matter, and I'm just gonna be

1430
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:16.159
<v Speaker 2>bothered by.

1431
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:20.239
<v Speaker 1>It, Billy question, can you answer this? Could any Mark

1432
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:23.359
<v Speaker 1>if he is now if he has now locked himself

1433
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:26.359
<v Speaker 1>in the building, he refuses to come out, could he

1434
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:30.439
<v Speaker 1>try and unintegrate himself as like he tries to make

1435
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.520
<v Speaker 1>himself the dominant mark, so that when he leaves the

1436
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:34.600
<v Speaker 1>building it is him.

1437
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.079
<v Speaker 3>I think that Milchek could do it, or Helena could

1438
01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:41.000
<v Speaker 3>do it, or Helena could do it. I definitely think

1439
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:44.199
<v Speaker 3>that is on the table. I think somebody becoming a

1440
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:46.960
<v Speaker 3>full blown any all the way. I think you're gonna

1441
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.359
<v Speaker 3>find out there's a lot more of those than you think,

1442
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:51.520
<v Speaker 3>because I think that's the goal of a lot of

1443
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.239
<v Speaker 3>this is to get people totally love.

1444
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Helena would have the power to be able to to

1445
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:01.079
<v Speaker 2>glasgow block him, and so it would be Mark or

1446
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:02.640
<v Speaker 2>any mark outside.

1447
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.960
<v Speaker 3>So they can't glasgow block them. That's making them the

1448
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.279
<v Speaker 3>inside person on the bottom floor.

1449
01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh you have to forever otc loocause I thought that

1450
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of an any taking over the entire body

1451
01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:16.600
<v Speaker 1>would have to be signed off on by the AUDI.

1452
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:19.279
<v Speaker 1>But now I'm trying to think of like Ken Mark

1453
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:21.880
<v Speaker 1>on the inside, Can any Mark be like, no, I'm

1454
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:25.520
<v Speaker 1>going to take over this body and without the consent

1455
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of Audie Mark, who signed him in.

1456
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:29.600
<v Speaker 3>I think it's all I think all that shit's out

1457
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:30.439
<v Speaker 3>the window. I think we're in.

1458
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, what you're talking about, Gou, you're overthinking it.

1459
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to underthink it.

1460
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:38.720
<v Speaker 2>If that, if the possibility exists, that's Helene at the end.

1461
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Helene is just gonna do that zact. She has Audie

1462
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:44.479
<v Speaker 2>Mark or any Mark outside, she will have the power

1463
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:45.159
<v Speaker 2>to be able.

1464
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:45.359
<v Speaker 1>To do that.

1465
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:46.479
<v Speaker 3>To me, it's prison rules.

1466
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Now.

1467
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Anything goes from here on out on that floor.

1468
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And then I have one last thing which we have

1469
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:52.880
<v Speaker 2>briefly touched upon, and you guys can bring up with

1470
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:57.960
<v Speaker 2>anything I missed here, the Burt Field stuff and Irving.

1471
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:01.000
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna have to still matter somehow season three, right like,

1472
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:03.840
<v Speaker 2>that's still gonna rearch head at some point, and I

1473
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:05.520
<v Speaker 2>think they get a I think they did a good

1474
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.319
<v Speaker 2>job giving us a taste of that as like the

1475
01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:11.000
<v Speaker 2>season's maybe C or D story, and then we'll deal

1476
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:13.319
<v Speaker 2>with that later. I wasn't I wasn't overly concerned that

1477
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:14.680
<v Speaker 2>that didn't play a big role.

1478
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the conversation of of Christopher Walking wanting to become

1479
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:21.439
<v Speaker 1>an any so that his any can go to Heaven

1480
01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:25.079
<v Speaker 1>at least added some layers to their characters.

1481
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it feels like it feels like he genuinely

1482
01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 2>does care about Irving, So that's that's something.

1483
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we're gonna get more from Irving just

1484
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:36.199
<v Speaker 3>from the fact that he was out to get lumin

1485
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:38.520
<v Speaker 3>in the first place. He seems like a military man,

1486
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, Doug Raidar, all that kind of stuff, saluting milcheck.

1487
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.199
<v Speaker 3>So I think he's definitely going to play loom large

1488
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:46.880
<v Speaker 3>in season three for sure.

1489
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder. I mean, it seems inevitable that Kobell

1490
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:54.600
<v Speaker 2>might find Irving and utilize Irving somehow to do whatever

1491
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 2>they need to do.

1492
01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, now, if they're on the outside, you have

1493
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of Irving, and you have Gemma that could

1494
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:02.720
<v Speaker 1>be a part of that team trying to take them

1495
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:03.640
<v Speaker 1>out from the outside.

1496
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm just I shouldn't doubt them because these two seasons

1497
01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:10.880
<v Speaker 2>are great. I'm just like fucking annoyed. I'm just fucking no.

1498
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that you've seen too many television shows drop

1499
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the ball when they have something great guy.

1500
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Part of it. And you mentioned West World earlier, perfect

1501
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:23.079
<v Speaker 2>example of a show that was, you know, maybe bordering

1502
01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:26.439
<v Speaker 2>on forty Dogs great idea, sci fi, thrilling, mystery aspects

1503
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and it fucking sucks.

1504
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:30.159
<v Speaker 1>The world too far.

1505
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't get them in trouble for something they haven't

1506
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:32.920
<v Speaker 3>done yet.

1507
01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that yeah, No, you're right, you're right.

1508
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:37.920
<v Speaker 1>That's that's gives it thirty hot dogs. I think they're

1509
01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:39.439
<v Speaker 1>gonna mess this up in the future.

1510
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:41.479
<v Speaker 3>We have a podcast to do today.

1511
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.119
<v Speaker 2>That's the glass half empty of this going forward, because

1512
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.119
<v Speaker 2>somebody shows have sucked it up. Hopefully this is the

1513
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:50.000
<v Speaker 2>rare that it doesn't. But I ultimately the reason why

1514
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 2>it's not forty Dogs is emotionally, I hated the decision

1515
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.880
<v Speaker 2>from any mark and also the reintegration stuff is bothering

1516
01:11:57.920 --> 01:11:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the shit out of me.

1517
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:01.640
<v Speaker 3>That's fair. I do likes stories that aren't happy endings

1518
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.079
<v Speaker 3>because I don't get a lot of happy endings either

1519
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:05.880
<v Speaker 3>either way, either way you slice it.

1520
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So, but this is two sad endings in my mind

1521
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.800
<v Speaker 2>because Helly, Helly and Mark or whoever's running down the

1522
01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:12.239
<v Speaker 2>hallway there.

1523
01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:16.840
<v Speaker 1>It's les minutes continued. It's a too be continued. It's

1524
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:17.439
<v Speaker 1>not an ending.

1525
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.359
<v Speaker 3>I want my shows to make me feel something es

1526
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:21.760
<v Speaker 3>and the.

1527
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Feeling it makes me feel I had a visceral reaction.

1528
01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:28.000
<v Speaker 3>So the feeling of them getting out together would be

1529
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:31.199
<v Speaker 3>through the roof. The feeling of them going the opposite

1530
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:34.520
<v Speaker 3>way blew my fucking mind. It made you more mad

1531
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:36.279
<v Speaker 3>than you would have been happy. Yeah, but if he

1532
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:39.920
<v Speaker 3>had left the building, what would they do moving forward?

1533
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Because Helena is still in charge of everything. That's sort

1534
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:45.560
<v Speaker 2>of my point. Helena is the key to everything, and

1535
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:47.600
<v Speaker 2>she has so much control inside.

1536
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:51.039
<v Speaker 1>And to that point, though, Mark has no need to

1537
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:54.039
<v Speaker 1>ever go near that building ever again, he just moves.

1538
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:56.399
<v Speaker 3>They're smarter than us. They have a good plan, I'm

1539
01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:57.079
<v Speaker 3>guaranteed so.

1540
01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:01.399
<v Speaker 2>So the the only conceivable, not the only the thing

1541
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.159
<v Speaker 2>that makes most sense now is then most of season

1542
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:06.520
<v Speaker 2>three will take place over only a couple of days.

1543
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Then the whole series may have taken place over four weeks.

1544
01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you might be right about that. You might be

1545
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:16.159
<v Speaker 2>right about that. What because we can only spend so

1546
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.119
<v Speaker 2>much time inside this building with any Mark Now, it's.

1547
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Gonna be like an episode of twenty four.

1548
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Well no, you say that, Mac, But we don't know

1549
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the extent of how big this building is though, like

1550
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:26.600
<v Speaker 1>there could be.

1551
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Has to be Helene at the end because she would

1552
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:33.640
<v Speaker 2>know where to go and she can hide anywhere, So

1553
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:35.079
<v Speaker 2>it would have to be Helene at the end.

1554
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:36.720
<v Speaker 1>If you want to go that round, what if Helene

1555
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:41.720
<v Speaker 1>is actually twins and there's multiple Helenas and Tins anyone

1556
01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:42.800
<v Speaker 1>has anyone?

1557
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:47.960
<v Speaker 2>We could get real interesting still in the lumin building.

1558
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.479
<v Speaker 2>But the only way that's possible is if it's Helena

1559
01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:51.159
<v Speaker 2>down there, are not.

1560
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:54.399
<v Speaker 3>Helly or Milchick turns team any.

1561
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:57.359
<v Speaker 2>No, because well, I guess he would have access to

1562
01:13:57.399 --> 01:13:57.800
<v Speaker 2>areas too.

1563
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're right, that could be a possibility, That's my guess,

1564
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:02.399
<v Speaker 3>because I do like her being down there and being

1565
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:04.960
<v Speaker 3>a badass. The thing I wanted to talk about was

1566
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:10.359
<v Speaker 3>Jame Egans seemed like the like the weirdest, like biggest

1567
01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:13.840
<v Speaker 3>lame But when he yells out the double fucks and

1568
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:16.199
<v Speaker 3>sitting in that little coup for room, it killed me.

1569
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Just became alive.

1570
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh fuck, oh fuck.

1571
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And that's like we've been talking about the Egans

1572
01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.720
<v Speaker 2>in this in this whole business and family for a

1573
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:31.119
<v Speaker 2>while that it feels inevitable that everything around season three

1574
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:34.079
<v Speaker 2>will be like the Egans and Helena and Helly versus

1575
01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Gobel or Gabby, all these people that have been slighted.

1576
01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:42.319
<v Speaker 3>Imagine if we get the equivalent of Chicai Bardo, but

1577
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:47.119
<v Speaker 3>it's all like Jane from marrying or birthing whoever, all

1578
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:50.960
<v Speaker 3>the way up to Helly, that would be fucking awesome.

1579
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I also think that as maybe fitting as it is

1580
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:58.079
<v Speaker 2>as if it's Helly in any mark at the end,

1581
01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:01.920
<v Speaker 2>because the nies shows themselves, I think that doesn't lead

1582
01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.640
<v Speaker 2>to as many possibilities as if that was Helena in

1583
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:09.319
<v Speaker 2>any mark. I think there's more storytelling possibilities if Helena

1584
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:10.560
<v Speaker 2>exists there and not Helly.

1585
01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:14.520
<v Speaker 3>I also do think the the I sired Many in

1586
01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:18.520
<v Speaker 3>the Shadows almost confirms my theory that Kobel is likely

1587
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:21.640
<v Speaker 3>his daughter, and I think Miss Wong is probably his

1588
01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:22.399
<v Speaker 3>daughter as well.

1589
01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:24.159
<v Speaker 2>That could certainly be a possibility.

1590
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into Max and Ma Sak could be anything

1591
01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that could be a boat and this week just a

1592
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:40.680
<v Speaker 1>quick update on our food mascot, Macnus. We are into

1593
01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the second round. We had a number of upsets, but

1594
01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:46.840
<v Speaker 1>will blame Mac for terrible seating. The one thing that

1595
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to point out is that you people out there,

1596
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you fucking people, went into our beautiful, blissful bracket and

1597
01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:01.359
<v Speaker 1>messed it up. You took at fifty the fifteen seed,

1598
01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:05.039
<v Speaker 1>this little piece of dough popping fresh, and you took

1599
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:10.880
<v Speaker 1>him over a fucking giant cheesy dinosaur. Where do you

1600
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:11.800
<v Speaker 1>get the gull?

1601
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.279
<v Speaker 2>What I may be underestimated is the magical abilities of

1602
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:16.399
<v Speaker 2>the Pillsbury bill boy.

1603
01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:18.439
<v Speaker 3>And I think the age because I don't know who

1604
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:19.079
<v Speaker 3>that guy is.

1605
01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:22.960
<v Speaker 1>You're the same age as us, Billy, you must.

1606
01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Six years older than you guys.

1607
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Then you had more of them, really, craft Cheese and Macarney.

1608
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:31.239
<v Speaker 1>It's not easy being cheesy.

1609
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Goose champions out in round one.

1610
01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:37.199
<v Speaker 1>I will say that my runner up is still in there.

1611
01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Crazy Craven was almost campaign for him for two days.

1612
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Crazy Craven was almost knocked out by Digham of the Frog.

1613
01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:47.039
<v Speaker 2>You were creating burners to vote on that one.

1614
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:51.239
<v Speaker 1>So so many. I would like to thank Gert b. Frobe,

1615
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:54.359
<v Speaker 1>who went through and gave us a finishing move in

1616
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:58.079
<v Speaker 1>every single one of the mashup, So I really I

1617
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:01.239
<v Speaker 1>want to thank you, Gert, and then to Walsh six

1618
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:05.319
<v Speaker 1>one seven who told me in multiple tweets posts for

1619
01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:07.640
<v Speaker 1>me to go fuck myself and for Cheese a Saurus

1620
01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Rex to go fuck himself I see you six one seven, Yeah,

1621
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.760
<v Speaker 1>love that. But I will say this once again. This bracket,

1622
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.199
<v Speaker 1>this mascot bracket dead to me. I don't even care

1623
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:19.880
<v Speaker 1>about it anymore.

1624
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:24.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know I know what pop it Fresh is.

1625
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:25.399
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know who the hell the other guy was.

1626
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Did anyone at your work also have cheese a saurus Rex?

1627
01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Winning it all?

1628
01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:31.039
<v Speaker 1>So many people? By the way, I have a giant

1629
01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I'd want to thank everyone at WBZ. There is a

1630
01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:37.000
<v Speaker 1>giant wall at my work right now covered in food

1631
01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:40.239
<v Speaker 1>mascot brackets of all of my coworkers who filled these out,

1632
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:43.199
<v Speaker 1>I will say, I'll apologize to the higher ups. I

1633
01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:47.439
<v Speaker 1>was a bit of a distraction. I apologize. I don't

1634
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:49.119
<v Speaker 1>mean to do that. I didn't think that this would

1635
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:52.239
<v Speaker 1>capture everyone's imagination and then they would ruin it by

1636
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:54.399
<v Speaker 1>putting that piece of shit dough boy ahead of my

1637
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:55.520
<v Speaker 1>cheese asaurus Rex.

1638
01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm so upset. Mac.

1639
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Where can the people find us?

1640
01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:05.800
<v Speaker 2>You can find us on x and on Instagram, at

1641
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Mac and Goo podcast every other platform. We are mac

1642
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:11.720
<v Speaker 2>ampersan Goo. It's Mac Shift seven Goo and includes Facebook,

1643
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:14.520
<v Speaker 2>stitch er Tune and Cashbucks, Preak, Google Play, I Art Radio,

1644
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:17.920
<v Speaker 2>we're on Spotify, but more importantly, we're on Apple Podcasts.

1645
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Get on there, rate review, subscribe five stars. If you

1646
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:22.319
<v Speaker 2>do that, we'll get you a free Mac and Goo

1647
01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:24.560
<v Speaker 2>T shirt from the folks over at Watertown Sports Where

1648
01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Watertown Sports we're on thirty four on Auburn Street in Watertown.

1649
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Watertownsportswear dot com expert screenprinting and broidery.

1650
01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Teapublic dot com merger. I will within the next couple

1651
01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:38.359
<v Speaker 1>of days. Billy has sent me some sweet designs for severance,

1652
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:42.199
<v Speaker 1>and we'll open a little shop for some severance phrases

1653
01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:47.079
<v Speaker 1>and whatnot. Maybe you'll write not any o. That's easy money,

1654
01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:48.920
<v Speaker 1>just printing money.

1655
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:49.399
<v Speaker 3>It really is.

1656
01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:52.079
<v Speaker 2>To teaser one, I'd go too.

1657
01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:54.920
<v Speaker 1>It's two on both. It's two ends and two tastes.

1658
01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd agree, Billy.

1659
01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:59.239
<v Speaker 1>We should learn this before we start making these shirts.

1660
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because it auto corrects every time I write it

1661
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:04.079
<v Speaker 3>to the one T. But it doesn't feel right.

1662
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:05.560
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't feel right at all.

1663
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Billy, want to plug yourself?

1664
01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:11.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Pineapple Boys. Every Thursday we are back, and then

1665
01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:16.039
<v Speaker 3>check out the Dork Podcast if you want individual recaps

1666
01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:18.319
<v Speaker 3>of all the episodes of this show, and we'll be

1667
01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:21.039
<v Speaker 3>doing the season finale out in a couple of days probably.

1668
01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Billy's other podcasts with that shithead doc from that

1669
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:27.319
<v Speaker 1>TLDR piece of shit podcast.

1670
01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Billy should feel slighted too because he didn't win

1671
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Podcasts of the Year. I didn't.

1672
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:33.880
<v Speaker 1>He only did like six episodes last year. And that

1673
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:36.079
<v Speaker 1>makes me think that Friar is just a better co

1674
01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:36.680
<v Speaker 1>host than you.

1675
01:19:37.079 --> 01:19:40.760
<v Speaker 3>He really is. Look at the transitive property here, handsome

1676
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:43.560
<v Speaker 3>devil too. I can argue that anything else.

1677
01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Mac. That's it, hopefully. Maybe maybe next week we'll see

1678
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:51.640
<v Speaker 2>the right or Tega Death of a Unicorn, talk about

1679
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<v Speaker 2>it sometime next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we'll do a news up at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Alto Knights, the Robertson Narra movie. He's so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>They did him twice.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard it was really really boring.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he just plays a saxophone for two hours. Tuesdays

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<v Speaker 1>are goose Days. I abused Kangaroos, Temmburton. Please flip the

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<v Speaker 1>cassette over to side B to continue the adventure. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for girls jumping on trampopolines.