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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast,

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discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties

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and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D.

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Graves and Jason Colvin.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome everybody. I am William Wallace.

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Speaker 3: And I am Jason Maximus Calvinists.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. We're going to talk today about Braveheart and Gladiator.

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Speaker 3: These are great movies. I can't wait to get into these.

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These are Best picture winners.

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Speaker 2: So join us as we dive in and enjoy the

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fight of the warriors. This is awesome.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to dive into what we're talking about today.

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Speaker 2: I just realized we've been going on for episode after

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episode and we haven't talked about ourselves at all. Right,

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I mean, I don't care about talking about myself, but

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I want you guys to meet my friend Jason Colvin,

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who is awesome in all kinds of ways. But to

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save time, I'll tell you one of those ways. Jason

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is the only guy who've ever met who can hear

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a song, and even if it's just a few notes,

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can say here's the song, here's the artist, and here's

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the year that it was released with almost one hundred

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percent accuracy. He's fantastic guy. Me and Casey Caseon. That's right, right,

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and I should limit just to keep him humble. This

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only applies to the years nineteen eighty two through the

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year's nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: That is the truth. That is the truth. It's gotta

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be in my sweet spot. For those who don't know you,

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your name is James D. Grays, but you go by

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the name D.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I know you as D. It's okay if you

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call me James, but my friend and can we call

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you Jimmy. That's what my wife called.

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Speaker 3: When she does that. It's so funny. And just to

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tell you a little bit about my friend D. D

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is a really bright guy, super super smart. When we're

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playing trivial Pursuit and I asked him a question, either

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I know it or I don't, there's no in between,

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and he walks down the hallways of his brain and

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he digs out more stuff and it always surprises me.

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It takes like thirty seconds and then he comes up

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with the right answer. So super bright guy and just

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a lot of fun I love D. He's one of

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my best buddies.

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Speaker 2: Some guys have rooms in a mental mansion. I have

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little index cards and a mental rollodex that I have

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to flip through and either I have it or I

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don't have it.

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Speaker 3: All right, So we're going to talk about two best

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picture movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a unique episode. This. You know, you

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guys have listened to us so far. You've heard us

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talk about Michael Jackson's Bad Album and Thriller Album, which

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we both loved, one of us just loved one more

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than the other. True. You've heard us talk about Airplane

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versus Spaceballs, which we have the same opinion on. We

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thought we both thought Balls didn't quite hold up. Airplane

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is the winner on that one, Yes. And then you've

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heard us talk about Van Halen van Hagar, which again

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we have different opinions on, but we both enjoy both

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of them. Yes. And then you heard us talk about

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Raiders versus Back in the Future. Both loved both movies,

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both had slightly differing opinions on it. This one, this

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one's unique. Yeah, we're talking about two movies and Jason

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likes one of them and doesn't like the other one.

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And I like that one and he doesn't like it.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be interesting. Yeah, I'm just to dive into this.

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Speaker 2: And typically we hold off judgment until the end, but

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I just got I got to come out right now,

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and I'm just gonna say it. I love Brave Heart

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and Gladiator can take a hike. I don't care if

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I never see it again.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay, and Gladiators one of my all

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time favorite movies. And Brave Heart, Eh, all right, so wrong,

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so wrong.

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Speaker 2: Brave Heart came out in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 3: May fourth, nineteen ninety five. Is the reallyt state of

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Brave Heart.

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Speaker 2: Going back to nineteen ninety five, I'm listening to Wonderwall

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Bio Oasis. I am listening to Fake Plastic Trees by Radiohead.

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I'm listening to You Ought to Know by alanis More

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set those are top three, what about you?

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Speaker 3: Definitely? Alanas More said Jague. Littlepill and Deflective Soul was

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my other favorite at ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know what else?

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Speaker 3: The Champagne Supernova by Oasis one of my all time

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a whole lot of things that came

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out in ninety five, but we will all remember this sound.

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So in nineteen ninety five sad event the last cartoon

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of Calvin or Hopps. My favorite comic Sunday Morning.

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Speaker 3: It's not even close. The guy Bill Watterson is a.

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Speaker 4: Genius, absolute genius, all right.

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Speaker 2: And in the year nineteen ninety five we had the

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release of the movie Braveheart. Will give you a quick

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overview of the plot simply this, will Wallace, in revenge

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for the murder of his new bride, sets out to

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fight the English to free the Scots from the oppression

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of the English king Longshanks. Several battles take place in

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which they are successful, but ultimately William Wallace is captured

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and executed, only to return in the afterlife to his

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seised wife, and ultimately the Scots win their freedom under

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the leadership of Robert the Brooks. Okay, so now let's

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take a look at what happened in the year two thousand.

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Speaker 3: Gladiator was released May fifth, two thousand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so almost exactly five years apart these two movies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very close. What were you listening to the year

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two thousand?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So I listened to kid A by Radiohead. You

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couldn't get away from Slim Shady, You couldn't get away

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from Yellow by Coldplay or Oops, I did it Again

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by Britney Spears, or Bye Bye Bye by in Sync

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Nice what about you? Or you listened to in two thousand?

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh in two thousand. So I'm starting to move

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out of pop music. I've got a job in my life.

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that time. And that's pretty much it. Okay, not much,

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not an instinct fan moving out.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't really a very good year for music. I

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gotta say, comparing ninety five to two thousand ninety five

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is a clear winner on quality of the music.

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Speaker 3: All Right, all right, this one's kind of a sad

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note for me. The final comic strip for Peanuts is released,

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and Charles Schultz actually passes away in two thousand. Okay,

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so that's what was happening in the year two thousand.

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Speaker 2: All right. And then, as you said, May the movie

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Gladiators released.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we want to do the quick pop overview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 3: Maximus, a powerful Roman general who is loved by his

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soldiers and by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius, is on the

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battlefield when the emperor chooses Maximus to take over as

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protector of Rome, but Marcus Aurelius decides the communist is

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not a moral man and can't take the throne. So

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Commas then decides to kill the emperor and attempts to

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kill Maximus. He does, in fact kill his wife and children.

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Maximus vows revenge, but he's captured and made it to

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be a gladiator. Now his only way of getting close

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enough to the emperor is becoming great as a gladiator,

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so he can get close enough to exact his revenge

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on the Emperor. Commdists General then became a slave. The

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slave who became a gladiator. Gladiator defied the prop all right,

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So that was that's the plot overview for Gladiator.

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Speaker 2: All right. So let's now talk about a little bit

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of the backstory for these movies. I'll begin Braveheart. It

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begins back in nineteen eighty three. Randall Wallace is interested

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in his heritage but doesn't know anything about it. Is

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on a trip to Edinburgh, Scotland, and he encounters the

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large statue of William Wallace, sees that they both have

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the same last name. He imagines what it would have

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been like to be related to him, and ultimately ends

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up with the epic poem by Blind Harry, the Life

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and Death of William Wallace, and from that he starts

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developing this script. At the time, he was a screenwriter

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for various television shows. Came up with this script along

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the way, and by the nineties it ends up in

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the hands of a guy who I just learned about

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through this experience, who, my gosh, is an amazing person.

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Have you heard of Alan Ladd?

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Speaker 3: I have heard of Alan Ladd. Why don't you tell

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us about it?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So, Alan Ladd Junior is the one we're talking about.

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We had Alan Ladd Senior. You might remember him from

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the old movie Shane. His son, Alan Ladd Junior, became

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a producer in Hollywood and he is the reason that

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we have so many of the movies that we love.

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Specifically and first Star Wars.

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Speaker 3: Star Wars. Thank you, Alan Ladd Junior.

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Speaker 2: You changed my life absolutely. So yeah. At the time,

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George Lucas was having trouble getting a green light for

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his idea, and even during the production when they were like,

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shut this down, it's over budget, it's not a good story.

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Alan Ladd Junior was the guy who came and said

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this movie needs to get made. He supports the creative

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minds out there. He's the guy who says this is brilliant,

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and then he gets out of the way and lets

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the creative makers make their stuff, right, that's right. And

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so he gets this script that Randa Wallace has made

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and he's like, you know what, this is perfect for

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mel Gibson. I'm going to give it to mel Gibson.

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And mel Gibson says, not good.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, right.

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Speaker 4: This is when mel Gibson is a kind of the

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height of his powers.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, he's top of the heap as far as

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actors are concerned at this time period in history. And

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he says, no, I don't want to do it. I

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got other stuff going on and I just don't want

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to do it. And so Alan Ladd Junior is ahead

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of MGM at the time he ends up leaving MGM

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going to Paramount, is only allowed to take two scripts

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with him and Brave Heart it is one of those

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two scripts. Yeah, right, Do we know what the other

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't. It's probably one that never made a difference

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at all. So then two years past, mel Gibson calls

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Alan Ladd Junior and says, hey, what are you doing

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with Braveheart that script, and Alan Ladd says, nothing right,

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and Mel says, I can't stop thinking about it. Can

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we get together for lunch? We're great?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, I believe Mel Gibson came to him and said,

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I'm interested in directing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that at first Mel only wanted to direct,

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did not want to be involved in it, And there

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were several other actors that he pushed. He is interested

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in having Brad Pitt in the part. He was interested

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in having Jason Patrick, Jason Patrick from Lost Boys in

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the part, which he had the right look. But I

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don't think he had the acting chops to pull that off.

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Speaker 3: In that insane. I mean, here's what I've heard. Yeah, Daniels,

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which that one could have made some he's got the

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acting chops, but I don't know if he's got the

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box office pool.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, man. I mean, of all of

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the ones that I've heard, he seems the most likely

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to have pulled that off.

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Speaker 3: Fair right, Okay, Daniel da Lewis, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lambert,

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Jeff Bridges, and then, like you said, Robin Williams and

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Brad Pitt.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, Mel he has to agree to be in the

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movie because the studio refuses to fund it unless he

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plays the lead part and directs it. And Mel has

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after this experience, said I will never be on both

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sides of the camera again. By the end of it,

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he said, I wasn't saying anymore. I just needed to

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be in a pattered room. I couldn't carry on conversations.

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It was too much.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot to do, yeah, you know. And actually

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some of the criticism of this movie, not not a lot,

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but some of the criticism. You know, Mel Gibson was

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almost forty years old, right, and he's playing a guy

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that's supposed.

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Speaker 2: To be in his mid twenties, right, And I mean

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I'm too old to play this guy. Yeah, I mean

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he's yeah, he's late thirties at the time, playing a

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Part of the deal for Mel Gibson getting the

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funding and getting to direct this movie, ye, was he

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had to promise him the least weapon.

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Speaker 2: Four, right, which is why lethal Weapon four is an

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absolute mockery of all of the other lethal weapons it's

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a good movie. It's an enjoyable movie. But you watch

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it and you're going, they are totally making fun of

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themselves right now.

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Speaker 3: They are having nothing but fun. It's absolute fun.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's the one.

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Speaker 3: Gently that's my third favorite.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, so I'm thinking that number three had

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to be your fourth favorite. Yes, yeah, finitely because one

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Speaker 3: Yes, did you know that? In October of two thousand

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and nine, Mel Gibson admitted that much of this film

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is fictitious.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I don't think he's ever denied it. I mean

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he just says, even in the commentary on the movie,

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he's been like, yeah, this is this is not what

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really happened in history, but this is cinematic. You have

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to make things cinematic. I mean he even has said

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so much as William Wallace was a pretty crappy guy.

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burning down other people's villages.

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Speaker 3: It's cool, Yeah, he always smelled a smoke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was not a good guy. But I mean,

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when you watch a movie, you've you've got to make

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it a hero and that I think we should say

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right now, I've read the history and this movie is

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one hundred percent accurate. No, that's false. That is false,

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that this movie is not accurate at all. But we're

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okay with that. We're not going to go and I'm

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not going to bash this movie because it's inaccurate. We're

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going to talk about Gladiator in a minute. And Maximus

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wasn't even a real person. So's both of these movies

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deviate from history quite a bit, but I don't care.

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Speaker 3: But they do have historical figures.

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Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Braveheart was actually supposed to take place between the years

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twelve eighty and thirteen fourteen, almost one thousand years after

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Gladiator takes place. This movie was initially supposed to be

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an NC seventeen. Mel Gibson had to do a lot

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of cutting, had to cut some of the graphic violence.

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Speaker 1: Out of it.

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Speaker 2: We had to cut some of the cutting. He had

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cut a lot of the cutting, a lot of them apparently,

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like whenever the scene happens where the executioner the inquisitor

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pulls off the blanket to display all of the implements

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of torture. There were multiple people at the screening that

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got up and walked out and like, nope, I'm not

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going to sit here and watch this. So as graphic

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and as unpleasant as you think it is, it was

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way worse on the original cut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he actually they had to remove the line

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the guy pulls off the thing and says, I'm going

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to use all of these right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see I had to change that line.

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Speaker 3: People are like, nope, I'm out of here. This is interesting.

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This is something that I found interesting. Mel Gibson in

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preparing for this, on how to direct this, he watched

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several films, okay, and some of them that you would suspect,

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like Spartacus, I'm Spardacus, I'm Spartacus, I'm Spartacus and seven

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Samurai yep, but he watched NFL films to get used

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to this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The well, and the footage that you have, especially

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in the battle scenes, is very much that kind of

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let's get up and close and personal kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a famous celebrity that helped mel Gibson.

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Speaker 4: With his accent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do know it is. So I'll let you

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tell the story. Okay, Well there's.

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Speaker 3: Not much of a story, but mel Gibson needed to

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have a Scottish accent. So who do you call who's

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the most famous Scottish actor at the time. In the end,

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it can be only one John Connery, Right.

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Speaker 2: Conray, I'll have the rappist for two hundred. That's therapist.

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Speaker 3: So he and Sean Connery went to dinner. So one

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of the other criticisms that is sort of out there

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is that Mel Gibson's accent sucks.

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Speaker 2: Well, but here's the thing, and I'm gonna this is

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the way I justify this. Okay, Okay. So the character

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of William Wallace in the movie leaves at the time

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that he's a child to go learn Latin and French

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and travels the world to all different kinds of places

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his accent and it will be different, it'll be varied.

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So it's acceptable to me. I have no problem with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't bother me at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And plus they can blame Sean Connery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, Okay, So are you good with the beginning

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of Fraveheart? The backstory there? Okay, let's talk about the

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Let's talk about the beginnings the backstory to Gladiator.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this one doesn't have quite as much interesting

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things to talk about as far as the beginning goes,

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because when they actually started filming Gladiator, they only had

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twenty one It depends on who you ask, but somewhere

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between twenty one and thirty two pages of a script

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ready to go.

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Speaker 2: That to me is amazing in and of itself because

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this movie was several How many millions of dollars did

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they spend on this movie?

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Speaker 3: This The budget for this one hundred and three million dollars.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and three million dollars. So really Scott had

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the chops to go to producers and say, hey, I

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want to make this epic movie. It's going to cost

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one hundred and three million dollars. And they're like, okay,

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tell us a story. And he's like, well, I really

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only have about a quarter of it, right, And they said, okay,

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here's the money. I feel really good about Act one

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and maybe part of Act two. Yeah, I mean if

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I can go back to Braveheart real quick. Whenever they

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went to the producers for money, not only they say

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you're going to have to make lethal weapon for not

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only do they have to say you're going to have

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to star in it when he didn't want to, but

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they said the paramount guy said we'll give you fifteen

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million dollars, and Mel Gibson lost his yeah, and threw

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an ashtray through the wall, which I can understand. I mean,

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he had given up roles, he had done all this preparation,

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and they basically offered him twenty percent of the budget.

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Speaker 3: Totally ridiculous. But Brian Johnson's Hoover vacuum cleaner commercial was

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worth fifteen million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what ended up happened was twentieth Century Fox

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agreed to put up the rest of the money, and

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they got international distribution rights, and they made all the

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money on that movie. Because the movie Brave Heart, when

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it came out, it only made about nine million and

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something dollars here in the States, which didn't even get

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it up to the budget, right, but worldwide it made

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over two hundred and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting that you say that before we get back

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into Gladiator, because I this is the time of my

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life when I went and saw everything, and I don't

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recall seeing Brave Heart at the theater.

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Speaker 2: I don't really remember seeing either one of these. I

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just for the first time I've seen I can remember

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how I felt after Gladiator, and I can remember how

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I felt after Braveheart for the first time seeing them,

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but I don't remember where I saw them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so Gladiator aback to Gladiator. The script started with

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only twenty one to thirty two pages, depending on who

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you ask. Yes, Russell Crow has actually been quoted as

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saying this is the stupidest way to fill a mood.

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Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah, he didn't like the experience.

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Speaker 3: You know, but he had a lot of creative input

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on it. He said they would gather up and sit

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down and start writing.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, right, but almost too much, because, as I understand it,

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if he didn't like the lines, he was just like,

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this is stupid. I'm not going to say you walk

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off the set.

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Speaker 3: He almost didn't say.

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Speaker 5: His name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies

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of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal southern

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to the true Emperor Marcus Aurelius, father to a murdered son,

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husband to a murdered wife, and I will have my

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vengeance in this life for the.

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Speaker 3: Next that very famous line.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he almost didn't say that. And if he

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didn't like the way that the script was going, he

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would walk off. He'd like, screw this, I'm not doing

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it anymore.

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Speaker 3: Right, This movie was actually inspired by the grade for this, Yeah,

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my French accident, the Jean Leon Jerome eighteen seventy two

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painting called thumbs.

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Speaker 2: Down, or if you're from Oklahoma, the John Leon.

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Speaker 3: Jerome, John Leon, Jimmy Yes.

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Speaker 2: The Plice Versaux thumbs down.

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Speaker 3: Thumbs down. Okay, So some other actors that were considered

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for the lead in this yes, Now, Ridley Scott is

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kind of said that Russell Crowe was his number one

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guy the entire time.

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Speaker 2: Right, he had initially turned it down because he was

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so invested in The Insider, which is I think maybe

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my favorite Russell Crowe performance.

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Speaker 3: Well, talk about that because he had a lot of

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work to do after The Insider.

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Speaker 2: Right. So The Insider he plays a whistleblower in the

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tobacco industry and it's a fantastic performance by him. But

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he gained forty pounds of fat. I mean he was

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I mean, he wasn't working out and gaining forty pounds.

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He gained a lot of flab to play this part.

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And then then he's being offered this gladiator part where

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he's got to be in tiptop shape, and so does

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he hit the gym. Nope, No, he goes and works

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on the farm. He's got himself a farm down in

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New Zealand and he goes down there and works and

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drops drops the weight.

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Speaker 3: See I've heard him talk about this. I'm not sure

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i'd buy it. Walking around with sheep does not shed

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forty pounds. So Russell Crowe was the guy, the main

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guy that really Scott had targeted. But some other guys

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that were considered. I thought, this is an interesting list.

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Here you go, Mel Gibson.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it was the very first consideration because they

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wanted to ride on that success the Brave Heart had had.

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Speaker 3: And at this time, I mean he would have been,

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you know, forty five or so. Yeah, I think that's a.

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Speaker 2: About right for a Roman general, right, But he said, no,

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I'm too old, and this time I mean it and I.

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Speaker 3: Still have the Scottish accent. Somebody else considered Hugh Jackman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got what's with all the Australia guys. I

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don't know, down Under guys are just yeah, okay, Hugh Jackman.

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Who else Hugh Jackman?

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Speaker 3: This is kind of before even X men. I think

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X Men kind of made it big in two thousands,

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so yeah, X Men was before He's a household name

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for sure.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now here's the final name. And I thought this

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one was pretty good. Antonio Benders, Yeah, because this is

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the Spaniards.

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Speaker 4: Spaniard Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: It seems to me, oh for sure. But then what

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happened a little bit later was Rudley Scott directed Antonio

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Benderis in The Thirteenth Warrior and being it was a loser. Yeah,

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I was a loser, all right.

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Speaker 3: So that is kind of the backstory on Gladiator. They

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kind of made it up as they went.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gladiator, like Braveheart, was heavily influenced by Spartacus the movie.

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It was also heavily influenced by a movie called The

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Fall of the Roman Empire. Both of those came out

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in the sixties. The Fall of the Roman Empire especially

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has a really similar plot because it tells the story

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of Livius, who is Marcus Aurelius's intended successor. But that's

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just the same as Maximus and Gladiator. David Franzini was

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the screenwriter who I guess at least wrote the first

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twenty pages or whatever. He started developing the story back

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in the seventies after he read a book called Those

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Who Are About to Die, And this line comes up

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in the movie. For those about to die, we salute you.

473
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Speaker 3: Those are about to die, we salute you.

474
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Speaker 2: And for those about to rock.

475
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Speaker 3: That's right, you've got to plug some ason DC right, Okay.

476
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One of the things that I thought was interesting. Thumbs

477
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up thumbs down what we all accept in American society.

478
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Thumbs up means good, right, ye, hey, good job, phonsie.

479
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,720
Thumbs up, thumbs down means bad. But they think in

480
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the Roman times it's actually the opposite.

481
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Speaker 2: Thumbs up meant give him the sword, give.

482
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Speaker 3: Him the sword, and thumbs down mint sheath the sword. Right,

483
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So when the guy in charge of the match gave

484
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the thumbs down, them mercy, don't kill him.

485
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Speaker 2: Right, But nobody would have understood that. They thought about.

486
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Speaker 3: Switching that, but they didn't want to confuse the.

487
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Speaker 2: Audience, right, and that would have been confused.

488
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Speaker 3: I'd have been like, what the heck he gave the thumbs.

489
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Speaker 2: Down, What are you doing? Not that Maximus follows what

490
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he's told to do anyway.

491
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Speaker 3: Well, that's part. That was one of the points that

492
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he did.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. Now let's talk about the actors, the directors

494
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,519
and the composers in this one. Okay, Yes, for Braveheart.

495
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It is directed, as we've said by mel Gibson. He

496
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:15,920
won the Oscar for Best Director yes that year, and

497
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he was also a producer on it, and the movie

498
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itself won Best Movie as well.

499
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Speaker 3: You know what, his only directing credit up to that point.

500
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Speaker 2: Was, Yeah, he had directed a smaller budget film called

501
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Man Without a Face.

502
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Speaker 3: But to go from that, which is a small kind

503
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of movie, to this, yeah, a big thing to jump into.

504
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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, Alan add Junior totally supported him, and then

505
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the other producer involved was Bruce Davies. It was written,

506
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as we said, by Randa Wallace, who mel Gibson said

507
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was very easy to work with. They also had to

508
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add things and take away things to kind of make

509
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it a complete story, and he was okay with that. Yeah,

510
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,359
he was very good with that. Sounds great. And actually

511
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what they would do they'd say here's what we're thinking,

512
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and he said this is great and send it back

513
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and he had made it even better.

514
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Speaker 3: That's cool.

515
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

516
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Speaker 3: So since that point, just to kind of hit on

517
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mel Gibbs, most people are familiar with Mel Gibbs and

518
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one of the top movie stars of our generation in

519
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,599
a way. Yeah, there's not a lot of directing for him.

520
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He did The Man with No Face out a face,

521
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The Faceless Guy. He did Braveheart right, which is great.

522
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Speaker 2: Yep.

523
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Speaker 3: He did The Passion of Christ, yes, which is amazing. Yes,

524
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he did Apocalypto.

525
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Speaker 2: Okay, have you seen that?

526
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Speaker 4: No, you guys see that? I need to so good.

527
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Speaker 3: And then Hacksaw Rich.

528
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Speaker 2: Right, which is another Best Picture winner. I don't know.

529
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Speaker 4: I haven't seen it.

530
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Speaker 2: I've heard it. I've heard it's really good.

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah. The director of Gladiators, Ridley Scott.

532
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Speaker 2: Right, Alien is the movie I immediately think of with

533
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Ridley Scott.

534
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Speaker 3: Ridley Scott has done Alien.

535
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Speaker 2: Yep.

536
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Speaker 3: He's done Blade Runner, right, Thelma and Louise. He did

537
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Blackhawk Down, he did The Latest. I think he's been

538
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,559
like Alien Covenant. It was new not any getting No,

539
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that's terrible. He did a movie in the eighties with

540
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Tom Verger that I really like, called Someone to Watch

541
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over Me.

542
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it for me.

543
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Speaker 3: He's either a home run or strikeout the Babe Ruth

544
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of directors.

545
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the actors in each of the movies. Okay.

546
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In Brave Heart again, lead character is Mel Gibson Martin Riggs. Right,

547
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Leath the Weapon one of the first things you think of.

548
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I enjoyed Leath the Weapon. I enjoyed Ransom, but he

549
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did Hamlet not to be that is the question.

550
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really good.

551
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Speaker 2: I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. I mean, talk

552
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about a movie that makes you enjoy Shakespeare? That really

553
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,039
that one?

554
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Speaker 4: Really?

555
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Speaker 2: Was it? Super job. There were a couple of movies

556
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before that. Henry the Fifth by Kenneth Browna had come out.

557
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I think it came out in eighty nine. Fantastic. Okay,

558
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,920
I haven't seen that. Yeah, what about Mad Max? You

559
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med Max?

560
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Speaker 5: Guy?

561
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Speaker 2: I didn't really, I didn't get into those movies.

562
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Speaker 3: You're okay, more of a Leath the Weapon, right, which

563
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hopefully very soon we're going to dive in Leth the

564
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Weapon versus Diehard.

565
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Speaker 2: Christmas movies coming soon? All right?

566
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Speaker 1: Uh?

567
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Speaker 3: And the lead we talked about in Gladiator, Russell Crowe. Right,

568
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,920
He's been in things like La Confidential, which is amazing,

569
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Mystery Alaska, Master and Commander. Yeah, three Tender Yuma.

570
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Speaker 2: That was one that I enjoyed. There are not a

571
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whole lot of Russell Crowe movies that I just am

572
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super into. I think he did a great job as

573
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Durell and Man of Steel Steel. Yeah, I think he

574
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did a fantastic job in that movie. And I really

575
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like I said, I really like The Insider.

576
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Speaker 3: How about this one?

577
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Speaker 4: Yeah, lead miss haven't seen it.

578
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Speaker 2: Widely regarded as the downer of that movie. Is his

579
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:46,559
part and I do not forget my name, Do not

580
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forget me.

581
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Speaker 3: Two fall six, So one.

582
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Speaker 2: My wife loves his singing. Most people don't.

583
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Speaker 3: He took He kind of took it on the chin

584
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on that movie. And that movie was awesome.

585
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Speaker 2: Oh, the movie's great. Yeah, just not him.

586
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't have a problem with it. I like it.

587
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,079
I am a fan, so you know, maybe I'm a

588
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little rose colored there.

589
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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's run through the supporting actors on Braveheart.

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You've got Brian Cox. You don't speak Loton. Well, that's

591
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something we shall have to speaking of Hannibal. Brian Cox

592
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:26,680
was the original Hannibal in a movie that came out

593
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mid eighties by Michael Mann, same guy who directed The Insider,

594
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called Manhunter. Yes, which is the original story before the

595
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Silence of the lambs Manhunters, and it was remade later

596
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on Red Dragon Business. But in that original mid eighties,

597
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I think in nineteen eighty six, Brian Cox played the

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part of Hannibal Lecter. Since Braveheart has gone on to

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do multiple things which I've enjoyed him in, including the

600
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Bourne series. He's fantastic in that.

601
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really good in the Born series. He's also

602
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Daphne's dad in the TV show.

603
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Speaker 2: Okay, he's funny.

604
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Speaker 3: He's super funny in that.

605
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Speaker 2: It's good. It's good. He can do comedy too, that

606
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makes sense. We had Patrick McGoohan as the villain King

607
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Edward the first long Shanks.

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Speaker 1: Probably with Scott is that it's full of Scott's.

609
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Speaker 2: Patrick McGowan was a handsome actor from the sixties who

610
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had done a lot of TV. Was kind of the

611
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debonair guy. Even got offered the part of James Bond

612
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at one point but turned it down. That's incredible. Yeah,

613
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:35,759
we have Peter Hanley as Prince Edward. We have Sophie

614
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Marceau as Princess Isabella. Because you're looking at me, who's

615
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also in a James Bond movie.

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Speaker 3: The World's not enough.

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Speaker 2: Yep, she is an incredible beauty and I gotta say

618
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she is a fantastic actress.

619
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Speaker 3: She does a great job.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you watched this movie. I rewatched it.

621
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Speaker 4: I'm like, holy smoke, she's got some chops on this acting.

622
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Speaker 2: I mean, she's she's good.

623
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Speaker 3: She has that sort of quiet strength.

624
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that queen to.

625
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Speaker 2: Have And apparently mel Gibson during the course of the

626
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,440
movie convinced the entire crew that she was the daughter

627
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of Marcel Marceau, the famous that's awesome. You have Angus

628
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,160
mcphaden as Robert the Bruce. I want to believe he

629
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,559
does again some serious acting chops on here for a

630
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:24,319
guy that's such a slime ball in the movie that

631
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,839
you actually but you still can identify with that you

632
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,319
feel for.

633
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Speaker 3: I think his character is comparable to what Joaquin Phoenix

634
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does and Gladiator, which we'll talk about here in a minute.

635
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But yeah, they have a their mission and their heart

636
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,039
is kind of intermingled and mixed up sometimes, right, and

637
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they convey that really well.

638
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Speaker 2: Sure. Katherine McCormick plays Muran do that stands another beauty

639
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,960
different type of beauty, but my gosh, every look that

640
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she gives as they as they're looking at each other

641
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,839
in the movie, I'm just like, oh my heart. Yeah,

642
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,559
it makes it hurt.

643
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Speaker 3: You know Mel Gibson when he talked about her, when

644
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you talked about the interview process, Yeah, he brought in

645
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when he brings in actress and actresses, he doesn't have

646
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,759
him read, yes, but he just sits down, has a

647
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,279
conversation with him. And after sitting down with her, I

648
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:14,400
heard him say this. He said he fell in love.

649
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,559
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, And I thought, man.

650
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Speaker 3: And that's how he knew she was right for the

651
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,519
park absolutely, and you do you just can't.

652
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Speaker 2: I mean, she's wearing a potato sack yet, and she's

653
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,799
got her hair just as straight stick hair, and you're

654
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:39,279
still just like you have. Brendan Leson playing the part

655
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,839
of Hamish William Wallace's best friend, the giant redheaded Warrior,

656
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,680
I could crush you like a what a my gosh,

657
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,720
what a great part of Brendan Gleeson. I know because

658
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,519
I have kids From the Harry Potter series. He plays

659
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,279
Mattie Moody Alistair Mattye Moody in that one and then

660
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:02,200
also in Paddington Too. He's one of the jail Cook's

661
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:03,160
good part in that one.

662
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Speaker 3: I haven't picked up Pattington too yet but sounds good.

663
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's Brendan Gleeson is Irish and played a

664
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Scottish guy. And then my favorite character in the whole

665
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,599
movie is Steven.

666
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Speaker 3: That can't be William Wallace.

667
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,039
Speaker 1: I'm prettier than this man.

668
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: That part is played by David O'Hara. In order to

669
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find his equal in irishman is forced to talk to God.

670
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Speaker 3: Yes, Father on my two sides, don't change the subject,

671
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:34,759
just on So the question.

672
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Speaker 2: Scottish guy playing Irish guy. So you got an Irish

673
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guy playing a Scottish guy and Scotish guy playing an

674
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Irish guy, and they're both my favorite guys in the movie.

675
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,200
David O'Hara is so good, so good makes the whole movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he really steals some of the scenes.

677
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Speaker 2: So those are the two right hand men. And then

678
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the other loyal follower of William Wallace is Morrison, who

679
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is played by tom Me Flannagan. You will recognize him

680
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,480
from the large scars that he has on each side

681
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of his face. Interestingly, he is also right hand man

682
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in the movie Gladiator.

683
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Speaker 3: He's Cicero.

684
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Speaker 2: He's Cicero Gladiator.

685
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Speaker 3: You know those scars are actually real.

686
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was in a night he was.

687
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Speaker 3: Attacked at a nightclub. He was working as a DJ,

688
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,240
working at a nightclub. Yeah, and they actually call it

689
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the Glasgow.

690
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,799
Speaker 2: Smile, smile, I think right. Tommy Flanagan's first big budget movie,

691
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first movie of Hollywood movie is Brave Heart. He went

692
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on to do multiple things, has been an actor in

693
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over sixty productions since then.

694
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're ready to talk about the actors and actresses

695
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,640
and gladator. Let's do it all right, So we talked

696
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a little bit about the lead, Russell Crowe. He's major

697
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,319
movie star. You guys know him a lot of stuff.

698
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The guy who plays Commitist is Joaquin Phoenix.

699
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Speaker 2: Now this year is up for his Have they had

700
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,680
the oscar yet? They will have had them by the

701
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,279
time that this episode comes out. But he's in the movie.

702
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Speaker 3: Joker, right, which you I despise that movie. Yeah, but

703
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he does a fantastic job.

704
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Speaker 2: There's no question, love it or hate the movie, you

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cannot deny that he does an incredible job.

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Speaker 3: He lost so much weight and he looks almost grotesque

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in the movie.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: The whole movie is just an unpleasant experience, but he

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does really sold out and did an amazing job. Yeah,

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so Walking Phoenix. You may recognize from Space Camp a

712
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little kid that Jinks sends to space and Space Camp, right,

713
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he was the little kid in Parenthood.

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Speaker 2: He's been such a moving part that he has, even

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for the small part that he is this kid who

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kind of just never gets to see his dad even

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though he desperately.

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Speaker 4: Wants to.

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Speaker 3: The village.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and science right, swing away.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Walk the Line plays Johnny Cash, Walk the Line,

722
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Yeah kind of a I mean, he's a really prominent

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actor right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: Connie Nielsen plays Lucilla.

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Speaker 5: Was that very different.

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Speaker 2: Then most of our listeners probably will recognize her from

728
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the Wonder Woman movie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she's Diana's mother, yea, the Amazonian mother, Yes, yes, okay,

730
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And then Oliver Reed.

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Speaker 4: I want you to do is kill Kill Kill. I

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want to hear coming back.

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Speaker 3: Just entertain We'll talk more about him here in a

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little bit, But I mean, he's been in a lot

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of movies that I'm not familiar with. But the one

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movie that I am familiar with was this nineteen eighty

737
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two movie called Venom. Not the Spider Man movie. But

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that's a movie where he's a kidnapper and the black

739
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:45,280
man beloose in the in the apartment. He's the bad guy,

740
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,679
that's what. There's a black man but loose in the

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apartment in England.

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Speaker 2: A black man.

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Speaker 3: But huh yes, Kelby Bryant is running around the part.

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Speaker 2: So Oliver Reid, I know from Oliver the movie Oliver,

745
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which is a musical from back in the sixties where

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he's the villain. And he was also in this weird

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00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,039
wolf movie that I probably I could find. It's like

748
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Curse of the Werewolf or something like that, which was fantastic,

749
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but I haven't seen it since I was maybe seven

750
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years old or something.

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Speaker 3: You say, were wolf movie and I'm in. I don't care.

752
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: He was in the Adventures of Baron von Muhausen as well. Yes,

753
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but yeah, and Oliver. That's probably his most famous role.

754
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:35,519
He plays Bill Sykes, the evil guy kills his beautiful wife.

755
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:36,960
It's terrible anyway, let's keep going.

756
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Speaker 3: Richard Harris, who plays Marcus Aurelis. Have I missed it?

757
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: Have I missed the Battles the War? All right?

758
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: Richard Harris, who has been in a ton of stuff

759
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,079
but Dumbledore. He's definitely been in the Harry Potter movies.

760
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:54,000
He's Dumbledore in Harry Potter Original Dumbledore. He was in

761
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:58,079
Patriot Games yep Orca, which is kind of a Jaws

762
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,440
like movie except it's the Killer Whale. Yes, but for me,

763
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,039
he's always the guy from Unforgiven. Right, He Gene Hackman,

764
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,280
beats the heck out him, almost beats him to death

765
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,880
in the movie Unforgiven. We may not include this. Richard

766
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,960
Harris is in Tarzan the ape Man with Bo Derek.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have, okay, one part of it, over and

768
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over again. All right. Composers, okay. So for Braveheart we

769
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:54,960
have James Horner, fantastic composer. I love this soundtrack. Love it.

770
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,840
It's like you talked about the beginning of the thriller

771
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,199
album of Want to Be starting some then just three

772
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:03,480
beats in, You're in right when you start with the

773
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,480
bagpipes playing at the beginning of this thing, and I'm

774
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,599
swept over to Scotland. I'm in, I'm in for the deal.

775
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,599
James Horner has done tons of stuff, most memorable Brave Heart,

776
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and a few years later he does the soundtrack for

777
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,239
Titanic Titanic, one of your favorite movies. Movie that I

778
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,639
think is okay, but it is the biggest selling soundtrack

779
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,599
album of all time. James Horner sadly passed away back

780
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,400
in twenty fifteen. Kind of he was in the midst

781
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,400
of his doing some great stuff, but he had he

782
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,920
was flying a plane, had a plane crash and passed away.

783
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Speaker 3: I did not know that Gladiator has one of the

784
00:38:48,920 --> 00:39:08,920
most famous composers of all time as well, Hans Zimmer.

785
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Speaker 4: Hans Zimmer, and he's one of my favorites too.

786
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: He does great stuff. So he's done Aman Begins, He's

787
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,199
done rain Man, Twister, Crimson Tie.

788
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,199
Speaker 2: The last Samurai, Interstellar, Interstellar inception. He just got Dunkirk.

789
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,679
Speaker 3: So Christopher Nolan apparently.

790
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's yeah, Christopher, It's he's Christopher Nolan and Hans

791
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:33,800
Zimmer are kind of life. Steven Spielberg and Don Williams.

792
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,559
Speaker 3: Yes, he just got the new the Latest Bond movie. Okay,

793
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,519
I just saw today, but let me just say for me,

794
00:39:42,480 --> 00:40:04,079
I love this century. I think it's amazing. I don't

795
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:05,639
know if you ever saw this TV show called it

796
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:09,400
The Contender. It was a Sevestro Stallone boxing show. No

797
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,800
Hans Zimmer did the theme song from It Okay and

798
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,360
it was incredible. So Hans Zimmer, before we move on

799
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,360
from him, he was in a famous eighties pop band

800
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Okay video Killed the Radio.

801
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: Star, very first video of MTV.

802
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Speaker 3: He was the keyboards in the Buggles.

803
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's an interesting that's an interesting move.

804
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. When I saw that, I could not

805
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believe it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic. Okay, I think we've gone through are

807
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We've gone through our players, we've gone through our creatives,

808
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we've gone through the story. I think it's time to

809
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jump in.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's get into where You're wrong and I'm right.

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813
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