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Speaker 2: We got some one or something crawling around out your

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pay What it was?

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Speaker 3: Was it a person or an animal?

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Speaker 4: Or I can't go all.

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Speaker 2: I know that my thunder light came on and I

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did that with Englenn and be the thing running across

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the yard a goodbye man or something I looked like

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a man.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore. Always grounded in research and respect, we've interviewed

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eyewitnesses experts since kept to like because understanding Bigfoot isn't

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just about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly two decades later,

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we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories. The search never stopped.

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Hello, get somebody out here, folks,

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I'm Sean Parker. That's Matt Arner. Henry may dropped off,

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he'll be back on, and our guest tonight, Mike. Mike,

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I always butcher your last name, buddy. I don't want

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to do it familant, all right, See, I want to

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add a little extra Jois viore on there and get

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it fancied up. So Mike, thanks for clarifying that again

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for it. So folks, bear with folks, bear with us tonight.

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With some technical difficulties. As you could see, we got

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a little time lag. Henry is back, Matt is back,

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some of the clan here vances off tonight, Baker's off

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the night. We wish them well in their individual pursuits

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of justice, happiness, and exaltation of peptobismal. So it's been

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a long weekend for Matt and I as we have

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just gotten back from the top secret project. We can't

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really too out too much. But it was a lot

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of fun, was it not, Matt?

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Speaker 3: We had a blast, and can you hear me? Okay, okay, yeah,

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we had an absolutely great time. Our hosts were absolutely amazing,

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and yeah, I really don't want to say too much,

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so just keep tuned to STM at the end of the.

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Speaker 2: Right. I mean it's going to be for every folks

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like it through this exciting journey. If you want to

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send us hate mail, send it all to Henry. He

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reads it. The rest of us don't care, and Henry

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likes to use it, to print it out, to use

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it as waper, So go ahead and send it and

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send it all to him. Mike, welcome to the program tonight.

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And normally I take a little bit of extra time

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to go through a long artist process of introductions. But

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I'm having some difficulties. So tell us about yourself and

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how the heck you got started in bigfoot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so, Mike Famelot, I'm thirty six. I come

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from the armpit of Pennsylvania in New York, in northwestern

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Speaker 4: Started.

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Speaker 5: I used to be a firefighter and EMT don't do

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that anymore. Did that for twelve years, got burnt out.

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So then I decided, well, what am I going to do?

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EMC and firefighting? So I was like, I'm into big footing.

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Let me make a big foot show, but let me digress.

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I jumped ahead. It all started back in twenty eleven.

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so I'll just kind of go over it real quick.

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I was working at a beach resort in Florida and

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if you want to come out with a team, you can.

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going to do that. So I got two tickets. Ended

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up being me and one of my good buddies, Jimmy.

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in Florida, and we ended up getting four facized rocks

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thrown at us, and then my buddy who was with

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through a rock band at it. And at that point,

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mean outside of human range. So it kind of opened

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Speaker 2: Well, that's one big rock to have chucked at you,

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a laptop size boulder. That's that's no fun. I've had

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little rocks thrown at me, about a softball sized rock,

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something to this mystery. Did you grow up around at

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time ever camping, first time ever you know, doing that. So,

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to have the first camp time in the woods have

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Speaker 2: I am. I was trying to kick it over to you.

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Speaker 2: I was saying, rocks, those are no fun.

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Speaker 3: I agree, and yeah, here we go. And uh, it's

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funny because there's another New Jersey researcher, New Jersey, New

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York researcher, and him and I have been out on

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a outing and we had rock soranas and he said, hey,

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maybe we should throw the rocks back and I said,

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and such uh you know, you know, such a bullseye shot,

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you know, me just chucking a rock in the woods,

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is it going to do it? And so I'll probably

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start a war there. And I really don't want to

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get into a rock throwing contest with Bigfoot. Yes, big

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put rock wars. So what really I don't want to

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jump too much into it. But uh, Mike, with your brand,

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you know, is the shadow of the red Eye. Can

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you explain what the red eye is and how that

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ties into your everything that you do for the reaction?

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Speaker 5: So every kind of geographical region in the country has

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their own little story a big f at the Skunk

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you know, that good stuff. So back in nineteen seventy two,

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around the woods or something like that, he saw two

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pairs of reflecting red eyes and he at the end

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Speaker 4: So that's our little local claim to fame for Bigfoot.

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Speaker 5: And why I name the show in the Shadow of

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Big Red Eye, because it just seems like we are

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always just just right behind finding finding that key piece

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of evidence. We're always in the shadow, We're always right

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Speaker 3: And with you being New Jersey based, but I do

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see that you do travel quite a bit. Oh yeah,

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where where is your favorite place to do research?

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Speaker 5: You're asking me that's like asking a fisherman, where's where

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, all right, fair Whitehall, New York.

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Speaker 5: And I'll say I'll say that, I'll say that with

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there every year they have the white Hall Festival up there,

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and we do research while we're up there. Obviously we're

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not going up this year, unfortunately, but every year we

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do research. And we went up a couple of years ago,

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and I swear there's audio of it. We got surrounded

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by bigfoot. We were getting a tree knocked, we were

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getting rocks thrown at us. We had lights, we had

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the thermals, and we could not see anything. It was

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just too they were too far away, you know, you

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field you can't see something.

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Speaker 4: It's just a little too far away. They were throwing rocks.

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Speaker 5: You could hear the rocks in the audio recording, like

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being what like like thrown over our heads and hitting

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trees behind us.

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Speaker 4: Like that's how like intense it was.

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Speaker 4: And this was like a legitimate sized tree. It wasn't.

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Speaker 4: So it was I mean, it was very very intriguing.

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Speaker 5: It maybe made us feel like, Okay, we're entering upon this,

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like I think bigfoot lives in like a family group scenario,

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so I think we were like a little too close

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to this family group a bigfoot and they were trying

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to truck junk rocks at us and hit trees and

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Speaker 4: And it absolutely worked.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's and I will say Whitehall is just

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because it seems to be the most productive area consistently

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to give the listeners and the viewers a

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and explain how far Whitehall is and can something come

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from the Whitehall area down to Sussex County, New Jersey

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean so Whitehall is a drive is probably

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about three and a half hours from here. I don't

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think bigfoots range is that large. I mean we're talking

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hundreds and hundreds of miles. I don't think if maybe

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maybe an adult male sas squatch you know, may may

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travel distances like that, and we know other animals do,

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Speaker 5: I think their food source would be available closer to them,

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Speaker 3: That is a great area up there, right between those

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mountains up there or Whitehall. It is a fascinating area.

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But leading it down to New Jersey. Tell us, now

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we know what the origin of the red eye came from,

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but can you tell us about some recent reports that

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you've collected in especially in the Sussex County area, because

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that that is I've been there. That is a hot spot.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, what's so? What's cool about it is

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we over the a couple of months ago. Over the

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New Jersey State Fair and Farm and Horse Show and

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already have on record for Sussex County. So we have

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seventy one current big foot sightings in Sussex County, New Jersey,

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them Ssissippi. So that's great.

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Speaker 4: It's cool.

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the page, you can click on the map and you

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can click each individual pin which is a sighting, and

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you could read the sighting that was reported to us.

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So it's kind of cool, nice little Sussa's county database

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that we have. But going back to what I was saying,

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when we were set up at the fair, we got

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forty one new reports of bigfoot and these are reports

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that people have never told anybody before. They've come up

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and they say, hey, I just saw your booth and

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thirty years ago I saw bigfoot on Layton Road. And

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it's like, ah, that is so cool, because that's like

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a report that I've got today, a bigfoot on Layton

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Road in the seventies.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's the coolest thing.

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Speaker 3: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? Why do you think

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folks are so willing to come to you and talk

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to you about all these sightings.

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Speaker 5: I think it's it's because, uh, I give, it's the

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opportunity is there for them to speak about it. They've

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never had this opportunity, and this this this able, this

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this ability to release and and share their stories because

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you know, the fear of getting ridiculed or laughed at

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or or anything of the general public is just going

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to be like that's kind of a little bit crazy, right,

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And I think I don't know about you guys, but

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I kind of hit it from everybody because I was

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a little like, Okay, this is this is a little

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kind of a little off the wall, you know. So

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and then and finally I was just like, I like

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this too much. I'm just gonna you know, I'm gonna

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roll with it. But yeah, no, it's it's the ability

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I used to have. I don't know if anybody's familiar.

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I used to have a Subaru. It was all decked

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out in like Bigfoot research on the sides of mobile

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command center.

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately she died a couple months ago. I know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so uh it was either that or fix it

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or for eighteen thousand dollars or get a new car.

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So I said, well, I'm going to get a new car.

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So but that that car was great because at at

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like the gas stations or whatever, I'll be gassing up

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and it without fail.

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Speaker 4: Every I don't know a.

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Speaker 5: Month or so, somebody would come up to me and say, hey,

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I've never told anybody this before, but this is when

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I saw the Bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: Well there we go, all right, might go okay, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: We're good. So it's it's so cool.

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Speaker 5: It's just you know, and unfortunately now I don't have

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the car, so that kind of takes away from that.

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Speaker 4: It is nice going low profile and on the DL

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for a little bit, though. It's kind of nice.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I feel that, you know, it was funny because

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it's not something I really considered before being that low

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profile about it. But we had a really particular witness

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who did not want us coming there with any T shirts,

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anything on our vehicle that indicated that we were part

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of anything Bigfoot related because they were part of a

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hunting cabin. And you know, we talk about this in

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our upcoming project, but the part of where we live

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and maybe even part of where you're at, it's kind

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of conservative and hunting and fishing is a way of life,

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and you know you're part of one of those hunting cabins,

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and all of a sudden you start talking about being

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a bigfoot researcher. The next thing you know, you're out

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of the hunting lease and you're not going to find

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another one that's going to take you in. And that's

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hard to reconcile with. So as much as with you,

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I'd like to be loud and proud and have my

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vehicle all decked out. One my wife would never allow it.

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And two two I think you know some witnesses would

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still want that little bit of I guess anonymity from

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you know, their public and public go ahead. Matt, were

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you going to say somebody.

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Speaker 3: No, I was just kind of going in the same way.

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There's witnesses that, uh, you know, if they do see this,

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you know, the stickers on the car, they they'll they'll

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easily come up to you. But I know with us again,

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a lot of it, you know, we do. I think

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it's more for our area that we do get the

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people that, hey, we you know, can just come up

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and don't wear a big foot T shirt, don't don't

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have anything on like that. Just we're just gonna say

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you're you're hunters or something like that, just checking out

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the area, and that's how we get a lot of reports.

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But but having those uh you know, having having the

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sign on the on the truck or you know, having

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anything like that to show. I can't tell you how

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many times people have come up to me I'm wearing

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an an ABC shirt and hey, uh do you believe

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in that? You know? And then next thing, you know,

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we get into a conversation and and it works out great.

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So uh you know, hopefully get your Yeah, yeah, absolutely

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absolutely so. I have another question I was going to ask.

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I was gonna say for later, but I'm gonna gonna

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ask you right now. We have a good friend of ours. Uh,

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she's a listener to the program. Kimberly Crodoc. She lives

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over in Wing County, right outside of Holly, and she

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wanted to know. She wants to know on the Pennsylvania side,

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right Crystal Sussex County. Have there have you taken any reports?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know county is a is a hot spot.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, Pike Wing. So we're talking Aboutlake wan paul Pack,

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Holly area, Yes, all the way up to the border.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. The road so again, honey hoole fishing thing. Uh.

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The gas line that runs through there.

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Speaker 5: I believe it runs through I know, well, it runs

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through New Jersey through high Point. I've had That's where

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I've gotten some of the best activity that I've ever

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I've ever captured. And that gas line runs into Pennsylvania

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and rolls. I believe it's through through Haley. I know

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it's state Gamelands one sixteen. We just did an investigation

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over there, and that's a hot spot that's got that's

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got power lines, gas lines, I mean, you name it,

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it's got it there, Lakes River Stream, I mean, it's

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really cool. And then even just the just in general,

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the Delaware state forest is. I mean it's a sprawling

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I mean there's there's just tracks and tracks and tracks

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of different different pieces of land. You can go camping

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on there, you can go squatching on there. I mean,

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it's it's great. So if you're looking to get out

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in northwestern northeastern Pennsylvania, like Delaware State, for is definitely

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the place to go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And again she came out to us at one

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of our one of our events, and she really wants

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us to to check that out. But looking for reporters,

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not that many reports on the BFRO website. But I

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kept saying, this is perfect habitat there, and I know

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I've been. I did an investigation up at high Point

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and we went down to the we went down to

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the river, and honestly, the river at that point there

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there's a couple of deep holes, but you can if

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you're seven eight feet tall, you can wait across that river,

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no problem.

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Speaker 5: Bears swim across that river daily, So I'm sure that

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there's there's they could cross that river. There's not a

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question in my mind that they don't cross that Delaware River.

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There's no there's no there's no geographical blockage there by

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any means.

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Speaker 3: Correct correct and and again high Point. Uh that really

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just between and the pine lands have been just a

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fantastic uh up, we're back that and the pinelands have

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been a fantastic habitat. And and again high Point. We

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had a hewl at four o'clock in the morning that

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I mean, you can hear the coyotes, but then when

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you heard this one, this was no coyote and you

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can feel the sound going through your chest. And that

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guy was a pretty far distance, but definitely definitely not

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a coyote. But have you had any you mentioned about

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the incident that you had, the encounter that you had.

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Have you had any other encounters that you want to

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talk about or that you may have experienced.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we can.

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Speaker 5: We'll roll with the high Point because we were just

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talking about high Point. I also have recorded me and

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my team have recorded one of the best nations that

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we've ever captured from high Point, and it's exactly the

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same thing that you're describing. It was late at night,

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maybe one o'clock in the morning, and I did a

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bard alt call and we got that, We got back

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a series of three howls and it was clear as day.

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I mean, five of us recorded it and then the

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coyotes went wild after that, so I mean clear difference

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you could night in day, so that was really cool.

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We've also found a footprint from up in High Point

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State Park which is really cool in the snow, which

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was awesome. I couldn't cast it unfortunately because it's just

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not castable. And then but the second, the second thing

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that really got me in a big foot was was

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again down in Florida and we were.

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Speaker 4: So this is about like so okay.

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Speaker 5: So after we got the rocks thrown we left that expedition,

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we were like, okay, we're going to figure out what

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is throwing these rocks at us, right, So we started

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researching all the witnesses, the researchers, the hotspots, watching all

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the shows on TV, you know, and in about a

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three week timeframe we decided that we are now professionals.

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So bring in Cold Creek State Park, which is in

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central Florida. We were there for one night. It was

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me and my buddy Jimmy again and we go for

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a night hike. Jimmy's not scared at all. He's got

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his six foot tall machete and it's ten million loomen spotlight,

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you know that he's not shining around.

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Speaker 4: So anyways, we get down.

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Speaker 5: To about a mile and a half from camp and

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all of a sudden, Jimmy's spotlight comes across two pairs

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of reflecting eyes. All right, one pair is like fire

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engine red cool, the other pair aqua blue. So that's

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kind of wow, yeah, interesting. So anyways, we thought it

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was people. We didn't realize that people don't have eyeshine.

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We were so new to this whole bigfoot thing and

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being in the woods. We were like, oh, it's just

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people yelling out to the thing. Hey, we're just looking

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for bigfoot, you know. And no answer. Then the red

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set turned and looked at the blue set turned and

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looked back at us and then blinked. And that was

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another nope moment in our lives. I mean, out there,

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real quick, you know, Jimmy put a notch in the

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tree with his machete. So when we went back the

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next day to do a recreation, we could see that

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the eyes were about like they were seven and a

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half feet tall and about two feet apart from each other. So,

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I mean, you know, and my rolling theory on that is,

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let's that was two owls of different species sitting on

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a branch that didn't exist there.

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Speaker 4: That's the only thing I could come up with or

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to Yep, so that was kind of cool.

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Speaker 5: Those are two really other very intriguing experiences that I've

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had that's happened to me along my journey so far.

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Speaker 3: Sure. And so with you doing the the programs throughout

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the country, are you also going to think reports from

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when you go out to say the Tennessee, Florida and

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you know, basically you're all over the east comers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Maine to Florida. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And what's cool by doing these presentations for those that

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don't know my main I do.

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Speaker 4: This full time.

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Speaker 5: Bigfoot research is my full time occupation, and I go

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around during the day to libraries and that funds my

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way to film my show and camp across the country

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at night.

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Speaker 2: He gets out there, folks, he's out there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I spent one hundred and thirty nine nights just last

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year alone ten camping, so yeah, so I am not

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hard to find. But yeah, what's cool about the libraries

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is the fact that we were actually talking a little

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bit before the show. You get to meet these people

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and one it's the libraries like it because it's it's

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it's it's people that don't come out to the libraries normally,

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so it's a new face for them. Uh, and it's

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it's it's you know, people that want to share, that

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may have have shared, have have seen a bigfoot and

476
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:18,480
just want to share their encounter.

477
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: And Uh.

478
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 5: At the at the beginning of the program, I always ask,

479
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:25,359
has anybody ever seen a big foot? And you know,

480
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:28,440
nobody raises their hand. But what's cool at the end

481
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,759
of the program, after after making friends with these people

482
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:33,680
and after getting to know them and them getting to

483
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,039
know me, people will open up and finally share their

484
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:38,839
stories and be like, you know what, I actually did

485
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:40,559
see a big foot. I can't tell you how many

486
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:43,319
times that happens. And that's cool. You know, it's cool.

487
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,440
It makes you wonder, makes you wonder how many people

488
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,160
have seen a bigfoot and not reported it.

489
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,279
Speaker 3: We say the same thing, right, yeah, absolutely, yep, that's

490
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:55,799
a question.

491
00:27:55,839 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: That a question. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to step

492
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,519
on you. I'm delayed, guys, I apologize.

493
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: Oh muted, I think we're muted.

494
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: No, you're good on our end, Henry, did your microphone

495
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,759
crap out on you? I wouldn't a surprise. That's the

496
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,559
flavor of the night. We get a good we get

497
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:28,920
a good guest, and the I'm on Tylor' backup right now,

498
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:36,000
so I apologize. Henry is still there. To Henry, I

499
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:36,680
think he's there.

500
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: I just don't think he's Is he doing? Is he

501
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:51,400
doing like a mime thing? That's pretty good, Henry.

502
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,759
Speaker 2: Hold on to that thought, Matt, go ahead or Mike,

503
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:55,000
you guys would go ahead, and as soon as we

504
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,599
can get Henry back, we can get him. And asked

505
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,400
the question, so.

506
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,839
Speaker 3: Out of those areas, uh, what do you think about

507
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,319
the Tennessee area, because I do see that you do

508
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,680
spend a lot of time down.

509
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: There as well, Matt second love.

510
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tennessee, Tennessee is really cool. Put me in the

511
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,519
Smoky Mountains on him, you know, on a trail, and

512
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,839
I am just in heaven. I mean, that's that's it's

513
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,079
one of my it's one of my most favorite places

514
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,880
that I've ever been, in the Smoking Mountains. Then you

515
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,799
got you know, West Tennessee, where you got Land between

516
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,480
the Lakes that is just such a wonderful spectacular area

517
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:34,039
as well.

518
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

519
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,039
Speaker 5: And then you got I mean Middle Tennessee where we

520
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,599
you know, i'd be remiss to say. I mean, I

521
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,519
really enjoy Broadway and going to Nashville, so that's yeah,

522
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,079
that's always a fun time too. So whenever I'm in

523
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:49,960
Tennessee and Middle Tennessee, I always got to take a

524
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:52,640
night or two and stop in Nashville.

525
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

526
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not all about you know, being out

527
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,160
in the woods or yeah, doing that. You know, you

528
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,240
do got to have some fun sometimes.

529
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,319
Speaker 5: So yeah, no, it's it's it's and and the point.

530
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,880
And I think you guys can both agree with me

531
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,880
on this. We share very similar UH philosophies when it

532
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,160
comes to Bigfoot research is that it's not it's not

533
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:17,240
about the finding.

534
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: Really it's not.

535
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 5: It doesn't it doesn't matter if I go out and

536
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,640
don't get any evidence of Bigfoot UH in an expedition,

537
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400
that means nothing to me. It's all about the journey

538
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,319
and getting there and and the little and and seeing

539
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,000
the sites. That's what That's the most important thing. It's

540
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:38,640
it's the journey. So you know, whether weather Bigfoot's out there.

541
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,559
Even if Bigfoot's not out there, I think we all

542
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,559
can agree that he probably is, but I don't know

543
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:44,519
I've never seen one.

544
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:45,519
Speaker 3: So hopefully.

545
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you say that, because I think when

546
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,839
everything comes to the way it's supposed to be, I

547
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:56,880
think people are going to be very surprised about Matt

548
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,960
and I's exact philosophy because we state something very similar

549
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,319
to what you just said, Mike. Like Matt and I,

550
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,799
I think at some point, though we would like to

551
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,880
be have acknowledged we're probably not going to be the

552
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,880
person that gets this video graphic piece of evidence right,

553
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,640
But that doesn't mean we're not going to give it

554
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,200
at all. And the quest to one enjoy being in

555
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,759
the outdoors, which is what it's really about, forming brotherships

556
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:26,880
and friendships with people that get out there with us,

557
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:31,720
taking care of witnesses and helping them through the experiences

558
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:36,519
they had, but also trying to gather something rather it's audio,

559
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
and I think Matt and I have kind of reserved

560
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,680
ourselves to really being comfortable collecting that audio. Now you're

561
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:47,119
doing a project, Mike, and you been doing this project

562
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:53,400
filming your show. You know, do you think any of

563
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,519
us are actually going to get them on video at

564
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,200
this point? Or do you think if the Patterson film

565
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,039
is real? Because not everybody shares that philosophy, right, do

566
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,039
you think that if we haven't got it by now,

567
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:06,319
we're not going to get it at all?

568
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: Well, here's here's the thing.

569
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 5: So, so as a bigfoot field researcher with with you

570
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,400
or Matt or or myself, it doesn't doesn't really matter

571
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,720
any of us anybody that does field research. We spend

572
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,920
a legitimate amount of time in the woods and we

573
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,079
put ourselves in a wonderful scenario to be able to

574
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:36,240
capture video evidence of a bigfoot. So with that being said,

575
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:40,640
we have the probably most percent chance to get this

576
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:45,039
on video. However, we are also the people who are

577
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,559
going to be the most likely to hoax this video.

578
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,039
Speaker 2: Well that's a good that's a good, uh, really good point, Mike.

579
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:56,079
Speaker 4: So when.

580
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,799
Speaker 5: There's there's so so much that goes into it, you

581
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:04,079
know you can't you can't. I mean, is the Patterson

582
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:06,480
Genlin footage real? I believe.

583
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: So.

584
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: I think it's a really good, high quality evidence of

585
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,160
bigfoot being out there.

586
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,799
Speaker 4: I think it's you know, it's really great.

587
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:17,599
Speaker 5: Have have do I strive to get video evidence of of.

588
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,519
Speaker 4: Of that or better myself? Absolutely?

589
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,799
Speaker 5: But again, if I were to say tomorrow or Sean, Hey,

590
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,680
get this. Look at this video I found, and it's

591
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,319
the clearest evidence of bigfoot. I know you're probably not

592
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:31,920
gonna be like no, but there's gonna be a whole

593
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,039
lot of people are gonna be like, oh, he that's a.

594
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: I you fake this.

595
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 5: There's he's doing it because you know of other reasons

596
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,640
or whatever. And I would obviously never do anything like that. However,

597
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,160
that doesn't really matter to the general public.

598
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: It's weird how synchronous, how synchronized we are on that

599
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,680
thought process, because you know, that's a big fear, and

600
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:01,039
I think when you really, you know, break that point down,

601
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,000
and it's one of the fears I have as a researcher.

602
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,160
If I collect this evidence, I'm going to spend more

603
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,440
time trying to validate it to the people that we

604
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:13,159
rub elbows with and try to collect it for I

605
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,360
think than the people that want to you know, that

606
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,960
want it. And I think that when you're in this

607
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,039
for so long, you know, twenty plus years or what

608
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,079
have you, and you're just now getting this evidence, I

609
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,239
think it's harder for people to try to take that

610
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,559
evidence and be accepting of it.

611
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 4: All.

612
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,519
Speaker 2: Well, they've been doing it for thirty years, they must

613
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,320
be tired of coming up with nothing, so here they

614
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,239
go with the fake stuff. So it's a it's a

615
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,679
real catch twenty two to be in and you know,

616
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,840
it's it's very difficult. And I even say that, I

617
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,239
go back to, you know, when I had my sighting

618
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,320
Mike and our listeners have heard this story at nauseum.

619
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 4: And but.

620
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: That it really shook me afterwards because I was worried

621
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,719
I was going to lose my objectivity and I wasn't

622
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,840
going to be able to be a credible researcher anymore.

623
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,400
That's what really bothered me about it that now that

624
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,599
I've had this experience, one, who's going to believe me?

625
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,480
And two? Have I lost that part of me that

626
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,400
is now going to be objective? And am I going

627
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,239
to start believing everybody? Or am I going to be

628
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,079
seen as not being objective? So it leads you down

629
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:22,840
some very scary roads of thought.

630
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good point. That's a very good point.

631
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,159
Speaker 5: People ask me all the time, what are you going

632
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,239
to do when you finally see a bigfoot? And I

633
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,519
don't know, you know, I say the three p's he

634
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,280
Cooper pass out. Probably all three don't know what order,

635
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,000
But no, really, I mean honestly.

636
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what what I would do.

637
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 5: I mean, there's what you would do in the in

638
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,559
the in the you know, in the minute that you

639
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,639
see Bigfoot. But then it's then it's more about the

640
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,719
question of afterwards, Like you were saying, like, what is

641
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,320
what is your thought process gonna? What is your thought

642
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,199
process going to do?

643
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: Is it? Is it?

644
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 5: Are you going to for me? Is it going to

645
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480
be like my I made up my mission to find

646
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:09,960
out what threw rocks at us in Florida's wilderness, So

647
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,559
when I see that thing, I'm going to know that

648
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,320
it's out there? And is that going to mean like

649
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:18,280
is that going to be like you know, grand Theft

650
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,199
Auto mission complete type of thing, and like I'll be

651
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,440
good to go? Am I going to go back to

652
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,760
playing video games and watching TV all day? Or is

653
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,400
that going to light a fire under me to be like,

654
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,840
now I got to know more about these creatures. Hopefully

655
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,880
it's the ladder, you know, but I don't know. We'll

656
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,480
have to see.

657
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:42,039
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you in my end it was, Uh,

658
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:44,280
this bothered me so much, I think I want to

659
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,519
quit to, you know, finally putting all that behind me

660
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:50,119
and saying, you know, I really need to get into

661
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,280
this more. And I think it re lit that fire

662
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,320
for me and made it more more passionate, you know,

663
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,519
really let that fire passion of getting back into this discovery.

664
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,239
But it's not that way for everybody. The three p's

665
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,320
are starting to resonate. Mike, you need to put that

666
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:14,000
on a T shirt. Henry, you're right, Yeah, Henry's here

667
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,639
with volume guys. Henry. What was your question for Mike?

668
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to ask Mike, what is your big

669
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:24,559
best hotspot for for researching Sasquatch.

670
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:27,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, we kind of talked about it. I don't know

671
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,039
if you were in here. Whitehall, New York is really good.

672
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,119
I love that. But really when it comes to hotspots,

673
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,519
it's not about for me anyway. I don't like to

674
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:41,079
go in hotspots because there's a lot of researchers there.

675
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:45,679
There's the Bigfoot are kind of I hate to say,

676
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,960
like squatched out, but they kind of are. You know,

677
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,360
maybe they left the area, maybe they're not there anymore

678
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,239
because of too many people looking for him. But I

679
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,840
like to go where maybe there's been a lot of

680
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,119
historical reports, maybe not enough, not something as recent. Of course,

681
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,119
you know, if there if there was a you know,

682
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,800
a sighting the day prior, I'm gonna go check that out.

683
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,679
But you know, if there's been a cluster settings, I

684
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,079
may just go somewhere a little off the off where

685
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:13,920
people normally go.

686
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 4: That's where I like to go.

687
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: Cool. Does that answer your question, Henry?

688
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:22,679
Speaker 6: Yeah?

689
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: Any follow up?

690
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 6: Well, I say there's I guess a follow up. As

691
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,599
far as you've heard about sightings of red eye creatures

692
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:41,719
and also blue eyed creatures, there have been any other

693
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,480
eye colors that you've heard about.

694
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 5: I've heard of like almost every spectrum that you can

695
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,800
think of. White, I've heard of like actually, like I've

696
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,559
I've heard one of my one of my good research friends,

697
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:54,360
and I don't.

698
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: I don't.

699
00:38:55,559 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 5: I've never seen bigfoot illuminate with their eyes. This this

700
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,119
eye glow that some people say that they can do.

701
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,559
I've never seen that. But I've had one of my

702
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:10,840
good bigfoot research friends swears, I mean like a flashlight

703
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:18,239
they could turn on and off. White, red, I've heard green, blue, orange,

704
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,840
like a like an orange fire color. I've actually heard

705
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,960
like red on the outside and then orange in the

706
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,039
middle too. I don't almost like orbish like but not.

707
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

708
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 4: I've heard that before. Yeah.

709
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: Wow, So Mike, overall, do you think that we're going

710
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,599
to find a North American ape, a row tomin It

711
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,480
or something else.

712
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,039
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I don't know. I don't know.

713
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,679
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody knows. I think we all have

714
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,000
good thought process. I think it's a it's a human,

715
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,440
like an old person, just.

716
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 4: That we.

717
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 5: Took one e the E word, the evolutionary route, and

718
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,599
I think Bigfoot kind of paralleled us and just took

719
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:12,719
a different route and used to be in cahoots with us,

720
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,960
like back in the Native American days where we were

721
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,920
all friendly with each other. They were the guardians of

722
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,119
the forest type thing. Then when you know, the European

723
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,480
white men came over with their guns and everything like that,

724
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:28,679
and we started, you know, decimating everything, and there you

725
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,880
know that we could possibly get our hands on. I

726
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,960
think Bigfoot saw that and was like, oh man, we

727
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:38,320
need to stay away from this because that's not cool.

728
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 3: You've brought up about the Native American war. Have you researched?

729
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:48,480
And I believe our area is kind of overlapped in

730
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:53,039
a lot of ways. It would probably be monthsy Lenape.

731
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,639
Have you researched any of their any of their legends,

732
00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:59,599
any of their stories for Bigfoot?

733
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,519
Speaker 5: Not as much as I I would like to, I haven't.

734
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:04,360
I haven't delved deep in as much.

735
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 4: I know.

736
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 5: The len Lenape Indians do have this for I don't

737
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,440
even remember the name of the the name of it,

738
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:14,719
but they do have a red eyed Bigfoot type creature

739
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,119
in their in their folklore, which is very very cool.

740
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: That is that is and it's it stretches from coast

741
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,599
to coast with all the different tribes that you know.

742
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,800
I deal a lot with the Iroquois nation because they're

743
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,679
close in north central PA. And to them they're the

744
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,800
stone Giants. So but the stone giants, they they say

745
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,559
they're hairy, covered with mud, the caked mud, which gives

746
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,239
them that stone dish appearance. And I could see how

747
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,559
that that story from generations it would would play out today.

748
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,119
But the Lenny and Lenape in the in the Munsie,

749
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,519
it's I'm still trying to dig into the into their

750
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:08,480
their legend with that. So it's definitely an interesting subject.

751
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, for sure.

752
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 5: I love I mean, if anybody were to know who

753
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,639
lives in the woods. I think it would be the

754
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,760
Native Americans. I mean, they just you know, I mean,

755
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,119
and what's cool about it is they don't you know,

756
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:26,559
they they all spoke different languages, like they weren't like

757
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:27,559
cool with each other.

758
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 4: You know, they would trade stuff every once in.

759
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,079
Speaker 5: A while, but they're not going to be like, hey,

760
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,719
you see our eight foot tall friend in.

761
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:35,599
Speaker 4: The woods yesterday.

762
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,559
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, you know, it's not that's not like

763
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,159
a thing that they would do.

764
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,599
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, could be.

765
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Matt, you make a good point on that,

766
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,639
and it's something that as we've spent the weekend, you know,

767
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:56,679
going through a lot of the historical part of research,

768
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,679
and you know, we can include Mike in that area

769
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,480
because you know, a good point part of where he

770
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,519
does covers our you know, that blanket area we're trying

771
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:07,519
to discover is look into those native native land. You know,

772
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:11,280
for some reason, I think Pennsylvania and this I'm not

773
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,639
throwing us into this umbrella, just some food for thought

774
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,559
and some conversation. We really tend to focus on some

775
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:22,480
of the paranormal aspects of this. Uh, you know, UFOs

776
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:24,719
or so on and so forth. You're either so in

777
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,880
Pennsylvania like either flesh and blood, or you're in the

778
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,719
paranormal vicinity. But there isn't a lot of people talking

779
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,800
about the native aspect of Bigfoot in Pennsylvania, as you

780
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,559
would find out on the coastal areas.

781
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,679
Speaker 5: I was just in New York State doing southern New

782
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:51,079
York State, doing an investigation yesterday. Actually someone heard reported

783
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,440
hearing a very loud wail, like a whoop sound. And

784
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,280
I was up there doing, you know, and we went

785
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,800
out and I took him out and we were looking

786
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,639
and he's he's very to the Native American lore and

787
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,519
spiritual aspect of life and of his philosophy and everything

788
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:12,800
like that, and he feels that the Native American spirits

789
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:18,239
and Bigfoot are related. And he challenges us to He said, hey,

790
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,639
did you ever have you ever incorporated a paranormal investigation

791
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,320
into a Bigfoot expedition?

792
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,039
Speaker 4: And personally I haven't.

793
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,199
Speaker 5: However, I would be open to the idea, I think,

794
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:32,159
because why not. I don't think it would hurt any Yeah,

795
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,519
I mean, in really two birds, one stone in.

796
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,559
Speaker 2: That case, it's interesting you said, whale songs friends of mine,

797
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Brian and Terry Seech, and I got this information from

798
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,119
Dave and Carry Rupert had gone up to the Kinzua

799
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:52,360
over and broadcasted out whale songs to see if they

800
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,039
could elicit a response from a bigfoot response, you know,

801
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,239
another mammal. Do mammals speak mammal? I don't know. It's

802
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,360
not something we've tried, and I don't know the outcome

803
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,360
of that, but it's just funny. You said whale songs

804
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,960
and then I'm picking up. You know, this is why

805
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,360
more people need to compare notes, you know, so we

806
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,880
can see, uh, you know what results we're getting out

807
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,480
of that. And you know, I'm assuming it's that sound

808
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,960
and how it's going to traverse through the woods, right,

809
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,320
and see how that picks up with with others.

810
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 4: I almost exclusively, if I don't.

811
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,599
Speaker 5: Call Blast bart al calls, I will call Blast exclusively

812
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:34,920
blue whale calls, just because the pitch and the OC

813
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:40,400
like the low vibration frequency that right, that is I mean,

814
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,519
I know speakers can't capture that, but it's the closest

815
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:45,960
that I think we could get to it.

816
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,599
Speaker 2: No, And I think that's something that more of us

817
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,199
should be trying. This experimental audio it is. You know,

818
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,599
we we tend to use the same kind of bigfoot

819
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:01,559
sounds that we hear on the internet, you know, either

820
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:05,559
the Sierra sounds or the the Ohio hol or the whoops,

821
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,679
and you know, we use them without knowing what they mean,

822
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,280
and we don't know what we're saying. Are we sending

823
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,239
them into an alarm? Are we you know, are the

824
00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:19,760
answers we're getting answers we really want? We don't know

825
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,119
because we don't speak that language. So you know, what

826
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,440
does it hurt trying to use some of these other

827
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:30,119
sounds of nature or even sounds that may you know,

828
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:33,400
resonate in the same frequency Mike, So you know, kudos

829
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,039
to that, and I think it's something we all need

830
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:36,159
to try a little bit more of.

831
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 4: You.

832
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: The whole thing with audio is I love it. I

833
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:40,400
love being able to hear it. I love being able

834
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,360
to play around in it. But we just don't know

835
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:47,159
what it means and that could be problematic.

836
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 3: And it's good. It's good that we brought up about

837
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,039
using the bart al call. And that was something I

838
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,400
brought out when we were doing a little bit of

839
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,760
the taping this weekend. And what I uh, what I

840
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,079
go through. What I kind of uh put it in

841
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:12,480
line with is turkey hunting. And if anyone's gone turkey hunting,

842
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,000
what you do is you go out the night before

843
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,639
and you get the birds to gobble when when they're

844
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,960
up on the ruse. It's called a shot gobble. And

845
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,360
how do you do that is you use a call

846
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,760
and it basically shocks them to to make that call.

847
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:33,519
So a bart out the peacock another gobble. Uh, if

848
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:36,639
you go out during a thunderstorm in the springtime, you'll

849
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:41,039
hear the turkey's gobbling after the crack of thunder. So

850
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:47,840
something like that could elicit uh, you know, an answer

851
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,440
without it, you know, without sending a question out. You

852
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,039
know that Hey I'm you know, because again we don't

853
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,679
know what that means. Hey I'm an available sasquatch, come

854
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,920
and meet me, or hey, I'm going to come a

855
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,639
basher bring this out? Yeah, because I'm I'm a we

856
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,800
don't know, you know. So, so using the bart al

857
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,079
caol or or a call like that is is really

858
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,960
a great, great idea and I'm glad to hear uh,

859
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,599
you know, people using it and getting responses. But I

860
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:21,599
do have another question It's kind of a somewhat nerdy

861
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,880
tech question here is uh And Brian just brought up

862
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,440
about crow calls very very good too. But the question

863
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,360
is what kind of audio equipment do you use for

864
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,519
making the calls? Use the Fox pros until you have

865
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:38,679
your own a system set up, can you explain how

866
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,079
you do that to get that those sounds out?

867
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 4: Yeah?

868
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,159
Speaker 5: I don't have any expensive equipment, so when I do vocalizations,

869
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:51,719
I just I just do my myself. When I do

870
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,519
the bart Al calls or the or the whale calls

871
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,000
or whatever, I will use my phone and just YouTube

872
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,800
and broadcast bluetooth them over my my speaker, which is

873
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,599
unfortunately not the loudest thing, but it does the job,

874
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,880
you know. Uh So, Yeah, I'm not I'm still waiting

875
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,159
for one of those big companies to send me something

876
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:12,760
cool to use.

877
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,079
Speaker 4: So I'll I don't know how, I'm not gonna hold

878
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:15,519
my breath.

879
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:24,079
Speaker 2: Get on it. People on us too. While you're at it,

880
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,400
we won't throw our hands out.

881
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,159
Speaker 5: Talking about audio real quick is in uh and uh

882
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,719
and and vocalizations.

883
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 4: What is cool is uh?

884
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: So I love when I go up to New England

885
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:41,480
because I love the sound of the common loon.

886
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's familiar with the loon sound.

887
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,239
It's very cool.

888
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,119
Speaker 2: Uh.

889
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:48,559
Speaker 5: And actually I was up in Mount Blue State Park

890
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,599
and they actually in their in their visitor center, they

891
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:53,719
have a thing that you can make a loom call with.

892
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,039
It's it's really cool. It sounds just like it. It's

893
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,679
a it's a rope and a piece of plastic and

894
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,760
it's really cool. You pull in it spens. I use

895
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,599
that all over the country.

896
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,639
Speaker 4: And I do that because it's different. A bigfoot in

897
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:13,159
Florida has never heard a loon before, and they're going

898
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,119
to be like, what in the world is that? And

899
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:18,760
then they're going to come in and check it out.

900
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,000
And that's what we want. That's the whole point of

901
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:23,760
what we want for when it comes to Bigfoot research.

902
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,679
We want Bigfoot to come in and check us out

903
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,320
so we can get that bigfoot on camera. So I'll

904
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,639
use I haven't used it in a long time, but

905
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:35,440
I'll use fireworks. I know that's like some people say

906
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,960
that's like a big no no. But if you do

907
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,320
it like one or two, that's that's not crazy. Maybe

908
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,599
a smoke bomb, that's an intriguing kind of little thing.

909
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:53,239
One of my favorite research methods is to actually get

910
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:57,719
like a bunch of old CDs, which I don't know

911
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,440
if you're familiar, but they they they're like music things.

912
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 5: They came in because they came in a thing and

913
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,400
you put them inside. They play music. It's weird, but

914
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,519
you get them, and they could they have like a

915
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,360
reflecting side. You hang them with fish line from a tree.

916
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,159
You get like thirty of them, hang them from a

917
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,800
tree and you they're there. You know, it's like a

918
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,039
disco ball, shine around. Put double sided tape on the

919
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:24,840
non reflective side. Uh, you know, make the ground all

920
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,920
nice and saturated for you know, whatever may come in

921
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,800
and check it out. So Bigfoot's gonna come in. Check

922
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,880
out this reflecting spinning thing hanging from a tree that's

923
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,880
never been there before.

924
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 4: Grab it.

925
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 5: You're gonna get a fingerprint on one side, you're gonna

926
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,840
get a hair sample from the double sided tape on

927
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,840
the other side, and you're gonna get a footprint from

928
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,000
the ground from where he stood.

929
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 4: I think that's the best way to get evidence.

930
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,119
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely great idea.

931
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:54,199
Speaker 4: As it worked. No, but that's okay. Yes, I will

932
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:54,519
see that.

933
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:58,039
Speaker 2: You're trying that's all you did, absolutely now, and you

934
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,559
keep trying until you either realize it's never gonna work

935
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,239
or you get something from it.

936
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,559
Speaker 5: So I am very stubborn headed. So it's I'm never

937
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,480
going to give up. So that's the problem.

938
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: That's even better.

939
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, ran out of Britney's Fear CDs, so I'm gonna.

940
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: It's not incredible sort of trap to use either, Mike.

941
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,960
You know, it's if you can get the CDs, you know,

942
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,599
and at this point, like you said, folks even know

943
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:28,199
what CDs are. You know, it's.

944
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it works, Mike.

945
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: What kind of messaging do you want to put the

946
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,679
people out there who may just be getting involved in

947
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,760
this or might be nervous about sharing their experiences with

948
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:43,719
with folks like us.

949
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:50,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just the community itself is a wonderful, just incredible,

950
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:54,199
filled with incredible people. Yeah, any community, you're going to

951
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,840
get some bad apples and that's just a given. But

952
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,480
for the most part, like I ad a big Foot

953
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:03,679
festival or a conference, I generally don't have a problem

954
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,719
leaving all my merch on the table and go into

955
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,440
the bathroom, Like I don't think people are going to

956
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,000
steal stuff, And I can't say that about other festivals

957
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,239
and conferences that I go to. So the community itself

958
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,000
is wonderful. You have a bunch of wonderful people that

959
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:17,920
you could share and open up to that are not

960
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,519
going to judge or laugh or mock or make fun

961
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:27,119
of anybody. And it's just, you know, it's bigfooting itself

962
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,679
is just it's just it's changed my life. It's changed

963
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,760
everybody's life here for the better. I think, you know,

964
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,559
it's it's not it's not a bad thing. Even if

965
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:44,000
you don't get into bigfoot itself. Maybe you know it's

966
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,719
not for everybody walking around the woods at night looking

967
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,960
for an eight foot tall by people.

968
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:51,119
Speaker 4: Crime may not be for everybody, like I get.

969
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,039
Speaker 5: It, But that doesn't mean you can't get into other

970
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:58,960
things like photography or hiking or backpacking survivalist stuff like

971
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,519
I can now rub two sticks together and make a fire.

972
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:04,960
Sometimes I wouldn't, like, don't don't count on it for

973
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:06,000
survival at.

974
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: All, but maybe yeah, yeah.

975
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,159
Speaker 4: It's possible that I could make it sometimes, So that's cool.

976
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, Matt always had something to start a fire with, yeah,

977
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,559
or lighter I.

978
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 5: Just I mean, that just seems a lot easier. But yeah, no,

979
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,880
big footing is great. My mission statement for for bigfoot

980
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,480
is is to you know, is just to get friends

981
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,079
and families off the couch and into nature. You know,

982
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,000
That's that's just fundamentally why I do it, especially you

983
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,760
know you guys. I've I've shared my growing up stories

984
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,360
in front of the TV screens. So getting outside every

985
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,519
chance I can get is just I'm making up lost time.

986
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:46,679
I think That's why I'm out so much. That's why

987
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:48,119
I tech camp as much I do. I think I'm

988
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:49,840
making up on lost time that I missed out on

989
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:50,880
on my childhood growing up.

990
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,559
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's that's getting deep right there, let

991
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:56,159
me tell you it is. Yeah.

992
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: You know, Matt and I always talk about how much

993
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,599
better we mentally feel after being out in the woods,

994
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,800
you know, and spending time in nature, spending time with

995
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,760
your friends, going after some sort of common goal, and

996
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:09,960
you know, the physical healthy get too. You know, I

997
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,599
translated from an active job to a desk job and

998
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:15,039
a packing on the pounds. So getting out there in

999
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:18,679
the woods and especially on Matt's short trips, you know,

1000
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,639
they you you started to get that back. There's a

1001
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,159
lot of benefits to being out in the woods and

1002
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:28,519
doing this and Mike, we're glad you stopped by and

1003
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,239
joining with us tonight. Worre you next? And where can

1004
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,559
folks find out more about you?

1005
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? Next? I got a couple days off. My next

1006
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,079
event is September.

1007
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:45,159
Speaker 5: Twenty sixth, and yeah, twenty seventh, and yeah twenty sixth,

1008
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:47,719
twenty seventh and twenty eight something like that. Last weekend

1009
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,320
of September, I'm in nor in Virginia.

1010
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 4: I am m.

1011
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,119
Speaker 5: Seeing the Wood Bugger Festival. Me and Charlie Raymond are

1012
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:59,840
going to be hanging out and doing some squatchy stuff

1013
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,880
on there, which is going to be awesome. And then

1014
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:05,760
I kind of slow down to some local libraries. If

1015
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,400
anybody's interested in learning more about me and my journey,

1016
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,199
they could go to my YouTube channel. It's called Sussex

1017
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,599
County bigfoot enj or you just search in the shadow

1018
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:17,800
of Big red Eye. Don't type in red eye because

1019
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:20,840
I don't come up makeup tatorials do and I don't

1020
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,480
know if you want to see that. And then yeah,

1021
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:27,360
I'm on the website shadow of Redeye dot com that

1022
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:31,199
says all my upcoming appearances. We're looking for help for

1023
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,320
the show. We're looking for a couple of positions to fill.

1024
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,360
So if anybody's interested in helping out the show, check

1025
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,159
out the website.

1026
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 4: You can't miss it.

1027
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 5: We have a rock and Instagram too at see if

1028
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:44,360
you want to help support the show, buy some buy

1029
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,800
a magnet or a sticker like that helps a little bit.

1030
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,679
But the real way, guys, just please if you could

1031
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,880
just head over and subscribe to that YouTube show. Guys,

1032
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,159
I'm kind of making money on YouTube now, so let's

1033
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,519
keep that rolling. And you know, why not. It's not

1034
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:02,719
a lot. I'll get me wrong, it's.

1035
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:03,199
Speaker 4: Not a lot.

1036
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 2: Every little bit helps Mike, right.

1037
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,039
Speaker 5: And you know it's a fun you know, as big

1038
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,480
Foot Field researchers. I don't know if people realize that

1039
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,320
we don't make a lot of money.

1040
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:21,519
Speaker 2: No, we spend a lot, spend an awful lot. But

1041
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:23,800
you know, Mike to your point, you know, every little

1042
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,559
bit helps Matt. Before we end the show tonight, I

1043
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,320
did want to give you an opportunity to plug an

1044
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,519
event that's happening as well at the end of the month.

1045
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate that. So September twenty seventh, In fact,

1046
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,400
actually I just pulled it up right here. We will

1047
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,280
be doing the North Central Pennsylvania Town Hall at the

1048
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,239
Austin Cramp Ground at Nelson Run in southern Potter County,

1049
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:57,440
and we have myself, Sean and Gwen Gwen Purcell from

1050
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:05,000
gott Knockers and visit her her page they gott Knockers website.

1051
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,320
It is fantastic. The three of us are going to

1052
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,119
be discussing about the ongoing research up there, our own experiences,

1053
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:15,960
and then we're also going to be sitting back in

1054
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,159
taking reports. Later on that evening we're going to organize

1055
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,880
a night hike and have some fun. So it's a

1056
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:30,880
great area. It's an absolutely untouched area up there. The

1057
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,800
reports are coming in. We just had a class A

1058
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:41,559
back in April, so it is a fantastic, fantastic area.

1059
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:44,880
So and it's a great weekend to be out, So

1060
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:49,039
take take a quick day trip up to Potter County,

1061
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,840
see me, Sean and Glen and have a good time.

1062
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: Folks would also be remiss if we didn't take it.

1063
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,320
Just a moment to acknowledge the passing of luminary doctor

1064
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:05,360
Jeff Meldrim, wh we've had a little memorial tribute to

1065
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,800
at the top corner of the page here all evening.

1066
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,679
Sad is the only word that comes to mind about this,

1067
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:16,440
and we will be hosting a memorial show at some point.

1068
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:18,400
We just felt give it a little time. We've got

1069
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,000
a lot of memorial shows going on out there, there

1070
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,519
was one going on tonight. Didn't want to steal anybody's

1071
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,920
thunder or have folks choose who they wanted to go

1072
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:32,000
listen to to pay tribute to doctor Meldrim. So very sad.

1073
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:35,559
Condolences go out to his family and all his friends

1074
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:38,440
and those of you that were really close to doctor Meldrim,

1075
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,840
someone I've worked with on and offer over the years.

1076
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,400
I wouldn't say we were best buddies, but definitely you know, friendly,

1077
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,679
you know, acquaintance acquaintances. So just really sad. But we

1078
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:54,840
didn't want to take the whole temperature of the show down.

1079
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,239
We wanted to keep it a little light hearted and fun,

1080
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,119
and I think we succeeded in that. So there'll be

1081
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:03,159
something forthcoming. Henry, why don't you take us out with

1082
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:08,519
those dulcet tones. You'll be good. It'd be good. It

1083
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:10,960
doesn't get better than that. Folks, keep on squatch and

1084
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,960
we'll see in two weeks. Mike, thanks for joining us,

1085
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:15,039
and folks.

1086
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:15,719
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

1087
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: Yep, welcome to everybody. You've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience.

1088
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:30,400
Please rate and review wherever this podcast is consumed. For

1089
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:46,960
more information, please go to our website Sasquatch Experience dot com.

1090
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:48,000
Keep on squatching