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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Hello, get somebody out here, folks,
I'm Sean Parker. That's Matt Arner. Henry may dropped off,
he'll be back on, and our guest tonight, Mike. Mike,
I always butcher your last name, buddy. I don't want
to do it familant, all right, See, I want to
add a little extra Jois viore on there and get
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With some technical difficulties. As you could see, we got
a little time lag. Henry is back, Matt is back,
some of the clan here vances off tonight, Baker's off
the night. We wish them well in their individual pursuits
of justice, happiness, and exaltation of peptobismal. So it's been
a long weekend for Matt and I as we have
just gotten back from the top secret project. We can't
really too out too much. But it was a lot
of fun, was it not, Matt?
Speaker 3: We had a blast, and can you hear me? Okay, okay, yeah,
we had an absolutely great time. Our hosts were absolutely amazing,
and yeah, I really don't want to say too much,
so just keep tuned to STM at the end of the.
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it as waper, So go ahead and send it and
send it all to him. Mike, welcome to the program tonight.
And normally I take a little bit of extra time
to go through a long artist process of introductions. But
I'm having some difficulties. So tell us about yourself and
how the heck you got started in bigfoot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so, Mike Famelot, I'm thirty six. I come
from the armpit of Pennsylvania in New York, in northwestern
New Jersey.
Speaker 4: Started.
Speaker 5: I used to be a firefighter and EMT don't do
that anymore. Did that for twelve years, got burnt out.
So then I decided, well, what am I going to do?
EMC and firefighting? So I was like, I'm into big footing.
Let me make a big foot show, but let me digress.
I jumped ahead. It all started back in twenty eleven.
Most I think most of you had probably heard my story,
so I'll just kind of go over it real quick.
I was working at a beach resort in Florida and
I was watching Finding Bigfoot and they were like, hey,
if you want to come out with a team, you can.
I was like, holy crap, yes, you know, so I'm
going to do that. So I got two tickets. Ended
up being me and one of my good buddies, Jimmy.
We went up to North Florida and Terrace State Park
in Florida, and we ended up getting four facized rocks
thrown at us, and then my buddy who was with
through a rock band at it. And at that point,
about three seconds later, a fifteen pound laptop sized boulder
came crashing down and landed five feet away from us.
So that was our wold first little experience of Bigfoot.
Nothing else happened that night. But the interesting thing is
the next day, we wanted to be all scientific, so
we were like, Okay, what's the closest this thing could
have been to us? And the closest this thing could
have been was like seventy five yards away, so I
mean outside of human range. So it kind of opened
my eyes to be like, oh man, something is possibly
well something is in the woods, and I'm gonna try
to figure out what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, that's one big rock to have chucked at you,
a laptop size boulder. That's that's no fun. I've had
little rocks thrown at me, about a softball sized rock,
but I've not had one a boulder thrown at me before.
So I got you convinced that there's something to this,
something to this mystery. Did you grow up around at
Scott Were there any early early influences like a particular
book or particular TV show that got you got you
the it?
Speaker 5: No, not at all. I was actually a very indoor
child growing up. Like put me in front of like
a movie with a video game, or like a screen
with a video game or a movie or anything like that,
and I am like good to go for the day.
So actually, this, this this camping trip where we had
the rocks thrown at us, was the first time that
I was ever like really legitimately in the woods, first
time ever camping, first time ever you know, doing that. So,
you know, needless to say, it was a little unsettling
to have the first camp time in the woods have
these rocks come at me.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think you're muted there.
Speaker 2: I am. I was trying to kick it over to you.
Speaker 4: Matt.
Speaker 2: I was saying, rocks, those are no fun.
Speaker 3: I agree, and yeah, here we go. And uh, it's
funny because there's another New Jersey researcher, New Jersey, New
York researcher, and him and I have been out on
a outing and we had rock soranas and he said, hey,
maybe we should throw the rocks back and I said,
I said, listen. I said, if whatever's out there could
throw the rock with such force and with such speed
and such uh you know, you know, such a bullseye shot,
you know, me just chucking a rock in the woods,
is it going to do it? And so I'll probably
start a war there. And I really don't want to
get into a rock throwing contest with Bigfoot. Yes, big
put rock wars. So what really I don't want to
jump too much into it. But uh, Mike, with your brand,
you know, is the shadow of the red Eye. Can
you explain what the red eye is and how that
ties into your everything that you do for the reaction?
Speaker 4: No, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 5: So every kind of geographical region in the country has
their own little story a big f at the Skunk
Ape in Florida, of the Grassman in Ohio, all that,
you know, that good stuff. So back in nineteen seventy two,
a state park ranger in New Jersey's High Point State Park,
which is in where I am in the northwest corner,
was doing a night patrol. And during his night patrol
he was I guess walking around the woods or driving
around the woods or something like that, he saw two
pairs of reflecting red eyes and he at the end
of his shift he wrote that in his shift report,
and somehow it got leaked I guess one of his
fellow officers leaked it to the newspaper or something like that,
and the next morning front page of the Star Ledger,
Sussex County's Bigfoot, Big Red Eye was born.
Speaker 4: So that's our little local claim to fame for Bigfoot.
Speaker 5: And why I name the show in the Shadow of
Big Red Eye, because it just seems like we are
always just just right behind finding finding that key piece
of evidence. We're always in the shadow, We're always right
behind him.
Speaker 3: And with you being New Jersey based, but I do
see that you do travel quite a bit. Oh yeah,
where where is your favorite place to do research?
Speaker 5: You're asking me that's like asking a fisherman, where's where
the honey hole is?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, all right, fair Whitehall, New York.
Speaker 5: And I'll say I'll say that, I'll say that with
with with by saying that, you know, we go up
there every year they have the white Hall Festival up there,
and we do research while we're up there. Obviously we're
not going up this year, unfortunately, but every year we
do research. And we went up a couple of years ago,
and I swear there's audio of it. We got surrounded
by bigfoot. We were getting a tree knocked, we were
getting rocks thrown at us. We had lights, we had
the thermals, and we could not see anything. It was
just too they were too far away, you know, you
know how it is like when you're out in the
field you can't see something.
Speaker 4: It's just a little too far away. They were throwing rocks.
Speaker 5: You could hear the rocks in the audio recording, like
being what like like thrown over our heads and hitting
trees behind us.
Speaker 4: Like that's how like intense it was.
Speaker 5: It lasted six minutes before we evacuated the area and
got out of there, and what was cool. In the
next day we went back because we were, you know,
looking for some physical evidence of what could possibly have
done that, and we found a tree break but it
was not there the day prior.
Speaker 4: And this was like a legitimate sized tree. It wasn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like, you know, there was no weather pattern
that came through that could have caused that.
Speaker 4: So it was I mean, it was very very intriguing.
Speaker 5: It maybe made us feel like, Okay, we're entering upon this,
like I think bigfoot lives in like a family group scenario,
so I think we were like a little too close
to this family group a bigfoot and they were trying
to truck junk rocks at us and hit trees and
and want, you know, trying to get us out of
the area.
Speaker 4: And it absolutely worked.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's and I will say Whitehall is just
because it seems to be the most productive area consistently
that I've been to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to give the listeners and the viewers a
little bit of perspective, you're in Sussex County right now,
and explain how far Whitehall is and can something come
from the Whitehall area down to Sussex County, New Jersey
basically without being seen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean so Whitehall is a drive is probably
about three and a half hours from here. I don't
think bigfoots range is that large. I mean we're talking
hundreds and hundreds of miles. I don't think if maybe
maybe an adult male sas squatch you know, may may
travel distances like that, and we know other animals do,
so that's not out of the question. I think they
mostly stay in like they're kind of like family groups,
and I think they they move with the food, So
I don't think they would need to move as far
as down.
Speaker 4: Here would be.
Speaker 5: I think their food source would be available closer to them,
so there would be no reason for travel that distance.
Speaker 3: That is a great area up there, right between those
mountains up there or Whitehall. It is a fascinating area.
But leading it down to New Jersey. Tell us, now
we know what the origin of the red eye came from,
but can you tell us about some recent reports that
you've collected in especially in the Sussex County area, because
that that is I've been there. That is a hot spot.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, what's so? What's cool about it is
we over the a couple of months ago. Over the
summer we uh each year we set up at the
New Jersey State Fair and Farm and Horse Show and
we set up a booth. We have a big vending table.
It's like what we do. We sell stuff and all
that stuff. But what's super cool about it is not
only do we did we make a kill and selling
a lot of stuff, we took in about half the
number of big foot reports that have that have we
already have on record for Sussex County. So we have
seventy one current big foot sightings in Sussex County, New Jersey,
which is one that presents the highest number east of
them Ssissippi. So that's great.
Speaker 4: It's cool.
Speaker 5: If you go onto my website at shadow of Redeye
dot com, scroll all the way to the bottom of
the page, you can click on the map and you
can click each individual pin which is a sighting, and
you could read the sighting that was reported to us.
So it's kind of cool, nice little Sussa's county database
that we have. But going back to what I was saying,
when we were set up at the fair, we got
forty one new reports of bigfoot and these are reports
that people have never told anybody before. They've come up
and they say, hey, I just saw your booth and
thirty years ago I saw bigfoot on Layton Road. And
it's like, ah, that is so cool, because that's like
a report that I've got today, a bigfoot on Layton
Road in the seventies.
Speaker 4: You know, it's the coolest thing.
Speaker 3: Mike.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? Why do you think
folks are so willing to come to you and talk
to you about all these sightings.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's because, uh, I give, it's the
opportunity is there for them to speak about it. They've
never had this opportunity, and this this this able, this
this ability to release and and share their stories because
you know, the fear of getting ridiculed or laughed at
or or anything of the general public is just going
to be like that's kind of a little bit crazy, right,
And I think I don't know about you guys, but
I know when I first got into big foot field research,
I kind of hit it from everybody because I was
a little like, Okay, this is this is a little
kind of a little off the wall, you know. So
and then and finally I was just like, I like
this too much. I'm just gonna you know, I'm gonna
roll with it. But yeah, no, it's it's the ability
I used to have. I don't know if anybody's familiar.
I used to have a Subaru. It was all decked
out in like Bigfoot research on the sides of mobile
command center.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately she died a couple months ago. I know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so uh it was either that or fix it
or for eighteen thousand dollars or get a new car.
So I said, well, I'm going to get a new car.
So but that that car was great because at at
like the gas stations or whatever, I'll be gassing up
and it without fail.
Speaker 4: Every I don't know a.
Speaker 5: Month or so, somebody would come up to me and say, hey,
I've never told anybody this before, but this is when
I saw the Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Well there we go, all right, might go okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: We're good. So it's it's so cool.
Speaker 5: It's just you know, and unfortunately now I don't have
the car, so that kind of takes away from that.
Speaker 4: It is nice going low profile and on the DL
for a little bit, though. It's kind of nice.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I feel that, you know, it was funny because
it's not something I really considered before being that low
profile about it. But we had a really particular witness
who did not want us coming there with any T shirts,
anything on our vehicle that indicated that we were part
of anything Bigfoot related because they were part of a
hunting cabin. And you know, we talk about this in
our upcoming project, but the part of where we live
and maybe even part of where you're at, it's kind
of conservative and hunting and fishing is a way of life,
and you know you're part of one of those hunting cabins,
and all of a sudden you start talking about being
a bigfoot researcher. The next thing you know, you're out
of the hunting lease and you're not going to find
another one that's going to take you in. And that's
hard to reconcile with. So as much as with you,
I'd like to be loud and proud and have my
vehicle all decked out. One my wife would never allow it.
And two two I think you know some witnesses would
still want that little bit of I guess anonymity from
you know, their public and public go ahead. Matt, were
you going to say somebody.
Speaker 3: No, I was just kind of going in the same way.
There's witnesses that, uh, you know, if they do see this,
you know, the stickers on the car, they they'll they'll
easily come up to you. But I know with us again,
a lot of it, you know, we do. I think
it's more for our area that we do get the
people that, hey, we you know, can just come up
and don't wear a big foot T shirt, don't don't
have anything on like that. Just we're just gonna say
you're you're hunters or something like that, just checking out
the area, and that's how we get a lot of reports.
But but having those uh you know, having having the
sign on the on the truck or you know, having
anything like that to show. I can't tell you how
many times people have come up to me I'm wearing
an an ABC shirt and hey, uh do you believe
in that? You know? And then next thing, you know,
we get into a conversation and and it works out great.
So uh you know, hopefully get your Yeah, yeah, absolutely
absolutely so. I have another question I was going to ask.
I was gonna say for later, but I'm gonna gonna
ask you right now. We have a good friend of ours. Uh,
she's a listener to the program. Kimberly Crodoc. She lives
over in Wing County, right outside of Holly, and she
wanted to know. She wants to know on the Pennsylvania side,
right Crystal Sussex County. Have there have you taken any reports?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know county is a is a hot spot.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Pike Wing. So we're talking Aboutlake wan paul Pack,
Holly area, Yes, all the way up to the border.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The road so again, honey hoole fishing thing. Uh.
The gas line that runs through there.
Speaker 5: I believe it runs through I know, well, it runs
through New Jersey through high Point. I've had That's where
I've gotten some of the best activity that I've ever
I've ever captured. And that gas line runs into Pennsylvania
and rolls. I believe it's through through Haley. I know
it's state Gamelands one sixteen. We just did an investigation
over there, and that's a hot spot that's got that's
got power lines, gas lines, I mean, you name it,
it's got it there, Lakes River Stream, I mean, it's
really cool. And then even just the just in general,
the Delaware state forest is. I mean it's a sprawling
I mean there's there's just tracks and tracks and tracks
of different different pieces of land. You can go camping
on there, you can go squatching on there. I mean,
it's it's great. So if you're looking to get out
in northwestern northeastern Pennsylvania, like Delaware State, for is definitely
the place to go.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again she came out to us at one
of our one of our events, and she really wants
us to to check that out. But looking for reporters,
not that many reports on the BFRO website. But I
kept saying, this is perfect habitat there, and I know
I've been. I did an investigation up at high Point
and we went down to the we went down to
the river, and honestly, the river at that point there
there's a couple of deep holes, but you can if
you're seven eight feet tall, you can wait across that river,
no problem.
Speaker 5: Bears swim across that river daily, So I'm sure that
there's there's they could cross that river. There's not a
question in my mind that they don't cross that Delaware River.
There's no there's no there's no geographical blockage there by
any means.
Speaker 3: Correct correct and and again high Point. Uh that really
just between and the pine lands have been just a
fantastic uh up, we're back that and the pinelands have
been a fantastic habitat. And and again high Point. We
had a hewl at four o'clock in the morning that
I mean, you can hear the coyotes, but then when
you heard this one, this was no coyote and you
can feel the sound going through your chest. And that
guy was a pretty far distance, but definitely definitely not
a coyote. But have you had any you mentioned about
the incident that you had, the encounter that you had.
Have you had any other encounters that you want to
talk about or that you may have experienced.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we can.
Speaker 5: We'll roll with the high Point because we were just
talking about high Point. I also have recorded me and
my team have recorded one of the best nations that
we've ever captured from high Point, and it's exactly the
same thing that you're describing. It was late at night,
maybe one o'clock in the morning, and I did a
bard alt call and we got that, We got back
a series of three howls and it was clear as day.
I mean, five of us recorded it and then the
coyotes went wild after that, so I mean clear difference
you could night in day, so that was really cool.
We've also found a footprint from up in High Point
State Park which is really cool in the snow, which
was awesome. I couldn't cast it unfortunately because it's just
not castable. And then but the second, the second thing
that really got me in a big foot was was
again down in Florida and we were.
Speaker 4: So this is about like so okay.
Speaker 5: So after we got the rocks thrown we left that expedition,
we were like, okay, we're going to figure out what
is throwing these rocks at us, right, So we started
researching all the witnesses, the researchers, the hotspots, watching all
the shows on TV, you know, and in about a
three week timeframe we decided that we are now professionals.
So bring in Cold Creek State Park, which is in
central Florida. We were there for one night. It was
me and my buddy Jimmy again and we go for
a night hike. Jimmy's not scared at all. He's got
his six foot tall machete and it's ten million loomen spotlight,
you know that he's not shining around.
Speaker 4: So anyways, we get down.
Speaker 5: To about a mile and a half from camp and
all of a sudden, Jimmy's spotlight comes across two pairs
of reflecting eyes. All right, one pair is like fire
engine red cool, the other pair aqua blue. So that's
kind of wow, yeah, interesting. So anyways, we thought it
was people. We didn't realize that people don't have eyeshine.
We were so new to this whole bigfoot thing and
being in the woods. We were like, oh, it's just
people yelling out to the thing. Hey, we're just looking
for bigfoot, you know. And no answer. Then the red
set turned and looked at the blue set turned and
looked back at us and then blinked. And that was
another nope moment in our lives. I mean, out there,
real quick, you know, Jimmy put a notch in the
tree with his machete. So when we went back the
next day to do a recreation, we could see that
the eyes were about like they were seven and a
half feet tall and about two feet apart from each other. So,
I mean, you know, and my rolling theory on that is,
let's that was two owls of different species sitting on
a branch that didn't exist there.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I could come up with or
to Yep, so that was kind of cool.
Speaker 5: Those are two really other very intriguing experiences that I've
had that's happened to me along my journey so far.
Speaker 3: Sure. And so with you doing the the programs throughout
the country, are you also going to think reports from
when you go out to say the Tennessee, Florida and
you know, basically you're all over the east comers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Maine to Florida. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And what's cool by doing these presentations for those that
don't know my main I do.
Speaker 4: This full time.
Speaker 5: Bigfoot research is my full time occupation, and I go
around during the day to libraries and that funds my
way to film my show and camp across the country
at night.
Speaker 2: He gets out there, folks, he's out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I spent one hundred and thirty nine nights just last
year alone ten camping, so yeah, so I am not
hard to find. But yeah, what's cool about the libraries
is the fact that we were actually talking a little
bit before the show. You get to meet these people
and one it's the libraries like it because it's it's
it's it's people that don't come out to the libraries normally,
so it's a new face for them. Uh, and it's
it's it's you know, people that want to share, that
may have have shared, have have seen a bigfoot and
just want to share their encounter.
Speaker 4: And Uh.
Speaker 5: At the at the beginning of the program, I always ask,
has anybody ever seen a big foot? And you know,
nobody raises their hand. But what's cool at the end
of the program, after after making friends with these people
and after getting to know them and them getting to
know me, people will open up and finally share their
stories and be like, you know what, I actually did
see a big foot. I can't tell you how many
times that happens. And that's cool. You know, it's cool.
It makes you wonder, makes you wonder how many people
have seen a bigfoot and not reported it.
Speaker 3: We say the same thing, right, yeah, absolutely, yep, that's
a question.
Speaker 2: That a question. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to step
on you. I'm delayed, guys, I apologize.
Speaker 4: Oh muted, I think we're muted.
Speaker 2: No, you're good on our end, Henry, did your microphone
crap out on you? I wouldn't a surprise. That's the
flavor of the night. We get a good we get
a good guest, and the I'm on Tylor' backup right now,
so I apologize. Henry is still there. To Henry, I
think he's there.
Speaker 4: I just don't think he's Is he doing? Is he
doing like a mime thing? That's pretty good, Henry.
Speaker 2: Hold on to that thought, Matt, go ahead or Mike,
you guys would go ahead, and as soon as we
can get Henry back, we can get him. And asked
the question, so.
Speaker 3: Out of those areas, uh, what do you think about
the Tennessee area, because I do see that you do
spend a lot of time down.
Speaker 2: There as well, Matt second love.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tennessee, Tennessee is really cool. Put me in the
Smoky Mountains on him, you know, on a trail, and
I am just in heaven. I mean, that's that's it's
one of my it's one of my most favorite places
that I've ever been, in the Smoking Mountains. Then you
got you know, West Tennessee, where you got Land between
the Lakes that is just such a wonderful spectacular area
as well.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And then you got I mean Middle Tennessee where we
you know, i'd be remiss to say. I mean, I
really enjoy Broadway and going to Nashville, so that's yeah,
that's always a fun time too. So whenever I'm in
Tennessee and Middle Tennessee, I always got to take a
night or two and stop in Nashville.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not all about you know, being out
in the woods or yeah, doing that. You know, you
do got to have some fun sometimes.
Speaker 5: So yeah, no, it's it's it's and and the point.
And I think you guys can both agree with me
on this. We share very similar UH philosophies when it
comes to Bigfoot research is that it's not it's not
about the finding.
Speaker 4: Really it's not.
Speaker 5: It doesn't it doesn't matter if I go out and
don't get any evidence of Bigfoot UH in an expedition,
that means nothing to me. It's all about the journey
and getting there and and the little and and seeing
the sites. That's what That's the most important thing. It's
it's the journey. So you know, whether weather Bigfoot's out there.
Even if Bigfoot's not out there, I think we all
can agree that he probably is, but I don't know
I've never seen one.
Speaker 3: So hopefully.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you say that, because I think when
everything comes to the way it's supposed to be, I
think people are going to be very surprised about Matt
and I's exact philosophy because we state something very similar
to what you just said, Mike. Like Matt and I,
I think at some point, though we would like to
be have acknowledged we're probably not going to be the
person that gets this video graphic piece of evidence right,
But that doesn't mean we're not going to give it
at all. And the quest to one enjoy being in
the outdoors, which is what it's really about, forming brotherships
and friendships with people that get out there with us,
taking care of witnesses and helping them through the experiences
they had, but also trying to gather something rather it's audio,
and I think Matt and I have kind of reserved
ourselves to really being comfortable collecting that audio. Now you're
doing a project, Mike, and you been doing this project
filming your show. You know, do you think any of
us are actually going to get them on video at
this point? Or do you think if the Patterson film
is real? Because not everybody shares that philosophy, right, do
you think that if we haven't got it by now,
we're not going to get it at all?
Speaker 4: Well, here's here's the thing.
Speaker 5: So, so as a bigfoot field researcher with with you
or Matt or or myself, it doesn't doesn't really matter
any of us anybody that does field research. We spend
a legitimate amount of time in the woods and we
put ourselves in a wonderful scenario to be able to
capture video evidence of a bigfoot. So with that being said,
we have the probably most percent chance to get this
on video. However, we are also the people who are
going to be the most likely to hoax this video.
Speaker 2: Well that's a good that's a good, uh, really good point, Mike.
Speaker 4: So when.
Speaker 5: There's there's so so much that goes into it, you
know you can't you can't. I mean, is the Patterson
Genlin footage real? I believe.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 5: I think it's a really good, high quality evidence of
bigfoot being out there.
Speaker 4: I think it's you know, it's really great.
Speaker 5: Have have do I strive to get video evidence of of.
Speaker 4: Of that or better myself? Absolutely?
Speaker 5: But again, if I were to say tomorrow or Sean, Hey,
get this. Look at this video I found, and it's
the clearest evidence of bigfoot. I know you're probably not
gonna be like no, but there's gonna be a whole
lot of people are gonna be like, oh, he that's a.
Speaker 4: I you fake this.
Speaker 5: There's he's doing it because you know of other reasons
or whatever. And I would obviously never do anything like that. However,
that doesn't really matter to the general public.
Speaker 2: It's weird how synchronous, how synchronized we are on that
thought process, because you know, that's a big fear, and
I think when you really, you know, break that point down,
and it's one of the fears I have as a researcher.
If I collect this evidence, I'm going to spend more
time trying to validate it to the people that we
rub elbows with and try to collect it for I
think than the people that want to you know, that
want it. And I think that when you're in this
for so long, you know, twenty plus years or what
have you, and you're just now getting this evidence, I
think it's harder for people to try to take that
evidence and be accepting of it.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 2: Well, they've been doing it for thirty years, they must
be tired of coming up with nothing, so here they
go with the fake stuff. So it's a it's a
real catch twenty two to be in and you know,
it's it's very difficult. And I even say that, I
go back to, you know, when I had my sighting
Mike and our listeners have heard this story at nauseum.
Speaker 4: And but.
Speaker 2: That it really shook me afterwards because I was worried
I was going to lose my objectivity and I wasn't
going to be able to be a credible researcher anymore.
That's what really bothered me about it that now that
I've had this experience, one, who's going to believe me?
And two? Have I lost that part of me that
is now going to be objective? And am I going
to start believing everybody? Or am I going to be
seen as not being objective? So it leads you down
some very scary roads of thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good point. That's a very good point.
Speaker 5: People ask me all the time, what are you going
to do when you finally see a bigfoot? And I
don't know, you know, I say the three p's he
Cooper pass out. Probably all three don't know what order,
But no, really, I mean honestly.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what what I would do.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's what you would do in the in
the in the you know, in the minute that you
see Bigfoot. But then it's then it's more about the
question of afterwards, Like you were saying, like, what is
what is your thought process gonna? What is your thought
process going to do?
Speaker 4: Is it? Is it?
Speaker 5: Are you going to for me? Is it going to
be like my I made up my mission to find
out what threw rocks at us in Florida's wilderness, So
when I see that thing, I'm going to know that
it's out there? And is that going to mean like
is that going to be like you know, grand Theft
Auto mission complete type of thing, and like I'll be
good to go? Am I going to go back to
playing video games and watching TV all day? Or is
that going to light a fire under me to be like,
now I got to know more about these creatures. Hopefully
it's the ladder, you know, but I don't know. We'll
have to see.
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you in my end it was, Uh,
this bothered me so much, I think I want to
quit to, you know, finally putting all that behind me
and saying, you know, I really need to get into
this more. And I think it re lit that fire
for me and made it more more passionate, you know,
really let that fire passion of getting back into this discovery.
But it's not that way for everybody. The three p's
are starting to resonate. Mike, you need to put that
on a T shirt. Henry, you're right, Yeah, Henry's here
with volume guys. Henry. What was your question for Mike?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to ask Mike, what is your big
best hotspot for for researching Sasquatch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we kind of talked about it. I don't know
if you were in here. Whitehall, New York is really good.
I love that. But really when it comes to hotspots,
it's not about for me anyway. I don't like to
go in hotspots because there's a lot of researchers there.
There's the Bigfoot are kind of I hate to say,
like squatched out, but they kind of are. You know,
maybe they left the area, maybe they're not there anymore
because of too many people looking for him. But I
like to go where maybe there's been a lot of
historical reports, maybe not enough, not something as recent. Of course,
you know, if there if there was a you know,
a sighting the day prior, I'm gonna go check that out.
But you know, if there's been a cluster settings, I
may just go somewhere a little off the off where
people normally go.
Speaker 4: That's where I like to go.
Speaker 2: Cool. Does that answer your question, Henry?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Any follow up?
Speaker 6: Well, I say there's I guess a follow up. As
far as you've heard about sightings of red eye creatures
and also blue eyed creatures, there have been any other
eye colors that you've heard about.
Speaker 5: I've heard of like almost every spectrum that you can
think of. White, I've heard of like actually, like I've
I've heard one of my one of my good research friends,
and I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: I've never seen bigfoot illuminate with their eyes. This this
eye glow that some people say that they can do.
I've never seen that. But I've had one of my
good bigfoot research friends swears, I mean like a flashlight
they could turn on and off. White, red, I've heard green, blue, orange,
like a like an orange fire color. I've actually heard
like red on the outside and then orange in the
middle too. I don't almost like orbish like but not.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've heard that before. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, So Mike, overall, do you think that we're going
to find a North American ape, a row tomin It
or something else.
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody knows. I think we all have
good thought process. I think it's a it's a human,
like an old person, just.
Speaker 4: That we.
Speaker 5: Took one e the E word, the evolutionary route, and
I think Bigfoot kind of paralleled us and just took
a different route and used to be in cahoots with us,
like back in the Native American days where we were
all friendly with each other. They were the guardians of
the forest type thing. Then when you know, the European
white men came over with their guns and everything like that,
and we started, you know, decimating everything, and there you
know that we could possibly get our hands on. I
think Bigfoot saw that and was like, oh man, we
need to stay away from this because that's not cool.
Speaker 3: You've brought up about the Native American war. Have you researched?
And I believe our area is kind of overlapped in
a lot of ways. It would probably be monthsy Lenape.
Have you researched any of their any of their legends,
any of their stories for Bigfoot?
Speaker 5: Not as much as I I would like to, I haven't.
I haven't delved deep in as much.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: The len Lenape Indians do have this for I don't
even remember the name of the the name of it,
but they do have a red eyed Bigfoot type creature
in their in their folklore, which is very very cool.
Speaker 3: That is that is and it's it stretches from coast
to coast with all the different tribes that you know.
I deal a lot with the Iroquois nation because they're
close in north central PA. And to them they're the
stone Giants. So but the stone giants, they they say
they're hairy, covered with mud, the caked mud, which gives
them that stone dish appearance. And I could see how
that that story from generations it would would play out today.
But the Lenny and Lenape in the in the Munsie,
it's I'm still trying to dig into the into their
their legend with that. So it's definitely an interesting subject.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 5: I love I mean, if anybody were to know who
lives in the woods. I think it would be the
Native Americans. I mean, they just you know, I mean,
and what's cool about it is they don't you know,
they they all spoke different languages, like they weren't like
cool with each other.
Speaker 4: You know, they would trade stuff every once in.
Speaker 5: A while, but they're not going to be like, hey,
you see our eight foot tall friend in.
Speaker 4: The woods yesterday.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, you know, it's not that's not like
a thing that they would do.
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, could be.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Matt, you make a good point on that,
and it's something that as we've spent the weekend, you know,
going through a lot of the historical part of research,
and you know, we can include Mike in that area
because you know, a good point part of where he
does covers our you know, that blanket area we're trying
to discover is look into those native native land. You know,
for some reason, I think Pennsylvania and this I'm not
throwing us into this umbrella, just some food for thought
and some conversation. We really tend to focus on some
of the paranormal aspects of this. Uh, you know, UFOs
or so on and so forth. You're either so in
Pennsylvania like either flesh and blood, or you're in the
paranormal vicinity. But there isn't a lot of people talking
about the native aspect of Bigfoot in Pennsylvania, as you
would find out on the coastal areas.
Speaker 5: I was just in New York State doing southern New
York State, doing an investigation yesterday. Actually someone heard reported
hearing a very loud wail, like a whoop sound. And
I was up there doing, you know, and we went
out and I took him out and we were looking
and he's he's very to the Native American lore and
spiritual aspect of life and of his philosophy and everything
like that, and he feels that the Native American spirits
and Bigfoot are related. And he challenges us to He said, hey,
did you ever have you ever incorporated a paranormal investigation
into a Bigfoot expedition?
Speaker 4: And personally I haven't.
Speaker 5: However, I would be open to the idea, I think,
because why not. I don't think it would hurt any Yeah,
I mean, in really two birds, one stone in.
Speaker 2: That case, it's interesting you said, whale songs friends of mine,
Brian and Terry Seech, and I got this information from
Dave and Carry Rupert had gone up to the Kinzua
over and broadcasted out whale songs to see if they
could elicit a response from a bigfoot response, you know,
another mammal. Do mammals speak mammal? I don't know. It's
not something we've tried, and I don't know the outcome
of that, but it's just funny. You said whale songs
and then I'm picking up. You know, this is why
more people need to compare notes, you know, so we
can see, uh, you know what results we're getting out
of that. And you know, I'm assuming it's that sound
and how it's going to traverse through the woods, right,
and see how that picks up with with others.
Speaker 4: I almost exclusively, if I don't.
Speaker 5: Call Blast bart al calls, I will call Blast exclusively
blue whale calls, just because the pitch and the OC
like the low vibration frequency that right, that is I mean,
I know speakers can't capture that, but it's the closest
that I think we could get to it.
Speaker 2: No, And I think that's something that more of us
should be trying. This experimental audio it is. You know,
we we tend to use the same kind of bigfoot
sounds that we hear on the internet, you know, either
the Sierra sounds or the the Ohio hol or the whoops,
and you know, we use them without knowing what they mean,
and we don't know what we're saying. Are we sending
them into an alarm? Are we you know, are the
answers we're getting answers we really want? We don't know
because we don't speak that language. So you know, what
does it hurt trying to use some of these other
sounds of nature or even sounds that may you know,
resonate in the same frequency Mike, So you know, kudos
to that, and I think it's something we all need
to try a little bit more of.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 2: The whole thing with audio is I love it. I
love being able to hear it. I love being able
to play around in it. But we just don't know
what it means and that could be problematic.
Speaker 3: And it's good. It's good that we brought up about
using the bart al call. And that was something I
brought out when we were doing a little bit of
the taping this weekend. And what I uh, what I
go through. What I kind of uh put it in
line with is turkey hunting. And if anyone's gone turkey hunting,
what you do is you go out the night before
and you get the birds to gobble when when they're
up on the ruse. It's called a shot gobble. And
how do you do that is you use a call
and it basically shocks them to to make that call.
So a bart out the peacock another gobble. Uh, if
you go out during a thunderstorm in the springtime, you'll
hear the turkey's gobbling after the crack of thunder. So
something like that could elicit uh, you know, an answer
without it, you know, without sending a question out. You
know that Hey I'm you know, because again we don't
know what that means. Hey I'm an available sasquatch, come
and meet me, or hey, I'm going to come a
basher bring this out? Yeah, because I'm I'm a we
don't know, you know. So, so using the bart al
caol or or a call like that is is really
a great, great idea and I'm glad to hear uh,
you know, people using it and getting responses. But I
do have another question It's kind of a somewhat nerdy
tech question here is uh And Brian just brought up
about crow calls very very good too. But the question
is what kind of audio equipment do you use for
making the calls? Use the Fox pros until you have
your own a system set up, can you explain how
you do that to get that those sounds out?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I don't have any expensive equipment, so when I do vocalizations,
I just I just do my myself. When I do
the bart Al calls or the or the whale calls
or whatever, I will use my phone and just YouTube
and broadcast bluetooth them over my my speaker, which is
unfortunately not the loudest thing, but it does the job,
you know. Uh So, Yeah, I'm not I'm still waiting
for one of those big companies to send me something
cool to use.
Speaker 4: So I'll I don't know how, I'm not gonna hold
my breath.
Speaker 2: Get on it. People on us too. While you're at it,
we won't throw our hands out.
Speaker 5: Talking about audio real quick is in uh and uh
and and vocalizations.
Speaker 4: What is cool is uh?
Speaker 5: So I love when I go up to New England
because I love the sound of the common loon.
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's familiar with the loon sound.
It's very cool.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And actually I was up in Mount Blue State Park
and they actually in their in their visitor center, they
have a thing that you can make a loom call with.
It's it's really cool. It sounds just like it. It's
a it's a rope and a piece of plastic and
it's really cool. You pull in it spens. I use
that all over the country.
Speaker 4: And I do that because it's different. A bigfoot in
Florida has never heard a loon before, and they're going
to be like, what in the world is that? And
then they're going to come in and check it out.
And that's what we want. That's the whole point of
what we want for when it comes to Bigfoot research.
We want Bigfoot to come in and check us out
so we can get that bigfoot on camera. So I'll
use I haven't used it in a long time, but
I'll use fireworks. I know that's like some people say
that's like a big no no. But if you do
it like one or two, that's that's not crazy. Maybe
a smoke bomb, that's an intriguing kind of little thing.
One of my favorite research methods is to actually get
like a bunch of old CDs, which I don't know
if you're familiar, but they they they're like music things.
Speaker 5: They came in because they came in a thing and
you put them inside. They play music. It's weird, but
you get them, and they could they have like a
reflecting side. You hang them with fish line from a tree.
You get like thirty of them, hang them from a
tree and you they're there. You know, it's like a
disco ball, shine around. Put double sided tape on the
non reflective side. Uh, you know, make the ground all
nice and saturated for you know, whatever may come in
and check it out. So Bigfoot's gonna come in. Check
out this reflecting spinning thing hanging from a tree that's
never been there before.
Speaker 4: Grab it.
Speaker 5: You're gonna get a fingerprint on one side, you're gonna
get a hair sample from the double sided tape on
the other side, and you're gonna get a footprint from
the ground from where he stood.
Speaker 4: I think that's the best way to get evidence.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely great idea.
Speaker 4: As it worked. No, but that's okay. Yes, I will
see that.
Speaker 2: You're trying that's all you did, absolutely now, and you
keep trying until you either realize it's never gonna work
or you get something from it.
Speaker 5: So I am very stubborn headed. So it's I'm never
going to give up. So that's the problem.
Speaker 2: That's even better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ran out of Britney's Fear CDs, so I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: It's not incredible sort of trap to use either, Mike.
You know, it's if you can get the CDs, you know,
and at this point, like you said, folks even know
what CDs are. You know, it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it works, Mike.
Speaker 2: What kind of messaging do you want to put the
people out there who may just be getting involved in
this or might be nervous about sharing their experiences with
with folks like us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just the community itself is a wonderful, just incredible,
filled with incredible people. Yeah, any community, you're going to
get some bad apples and that's just a given. But
for the most part, like I ad a big Foot
festival or a conference, I generally don't have a problem
leaving all my merch on the table and go into
the bathroom, Like I don't think people are going to
steal stuff, And I can't say that about other festivals
and conferences that I go to. So the community itself
is wonderful. You have a bunch of wonderful people that
you could share and open up to that are not
going to judge or laugh or mock or make fun
of anybody. And it's just, you know, it's bigfooting itself
is just it's just it's changed my life. It's changed
everybody's life here for the better. I think, you know,
it's it's not it's not a bad thing. Even if
you don't get into bigfoot itself. Maybe you know it's
not for everybody walking around the woods at night looking
for an eight foot tall by people.
Speaker 4: Crime may not be for everybody, like I get.
Speaker 5: It, But that doesn't mean you can't get into other
things like photography or hiking or backpacking survivalist stuff like
I can now rub two sticks together and make a fire.
Sometimes I wouldn't, like, don't don't count on it for
survival at.
Speaker 3: All, but maybe yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's possible that I could make it sometimes, So that's cool.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Matt always had something to start a fire with, yeah,
or lighter I.
Speaker 5: Just I mean, that just seems a lot easier. But yeah, no,
big footing is great. My mission statement for for bigfoot
is is to you know, is just to get friends
and families off the couch and into nature. You know,
That's that's just fundamentally why I do it, especially you
know you guys. I've I've shared my growing up stories
in front of the TV screens. So getting outside every
chance I can get is just I'm making up lost time.
I think That's why I'm out so much. That's why
I tech camp as much I do. I think I'm
making up on lost time that I missed out on
on my childhood growing up.
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's that's getting deep right there, let
me tell you it is. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, Matt and I always talk about how much
better we mentally feel after being out in the woods,
you know, and spending time in nature, spending time with
your friends, going after some sort of common goal, and
you know, the physical healthy get too. You know, I
translated from an active job to a desk job and
a packing on the pounds. So getting out there in
the woods and especially on Matt's short trips, you know,
they you you started to get that back. There's a
lot of benefits to being out in the woods and
doing this and Mike, we're glad you stopped by and
joining with us tonight. Worre you next? And where can
folks find out more about you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Next? I got a couple days off. My next
event is September.
Speaker 5: Twenty sixth, and yeah, twenty seventh, and yeah twenty sixth,
twenty seventh and twenty eight something like that. Last weekend
of September, I'm in nor in Virginia.
Speaker 4: I am m.
Speaker 5: Seeing the Wood Bugger Festival. Me and Charlie Raymond are
going to be hanging out and doing some squatchy stuff
on there, which is going to be awesome. And then
I kind of slow down to some local libraries. If
anybody's interested in learning more about me and my journey,
they could go to my YouTube channel. It's called Sussex
County bigfoot enj or you just search in the shadow
of Big red Eye. Don't type in red eye because
I don't come up makeup tatorials do and I don't
know if you want to see that. And then yeah,
I'm on the website shadow of Redeye dot com that
says all my upcoming appearances. We're looking for help for
the show. We're looking for a couple of positions to fill.
So if anybody's interested in helping out the show, check
out the website.
Speaker 4: You can't miss it.
Speaker 5: We have a rock and Instagram too at see if
you want to help support the show, buy some buy
a magnet or a sticker like that helps a little bit.
But the real way, guys, just please if you could
just head over and subscribe to that YouTube show. Guys,
I'm kind of making money on YouTube now, so let's
keep that rolling. And you know, why not. It's not
a lot. I'll get me wrong, it's.
Speaker 4: Not a lot.
Speaker 2: Every little bit helps Mike, right.
Speaker 5: And you know it's a fun you know, as big
Foot Field researchers. I don't know if people realize that
we don't make a lot of money.
Speaker 2: No, we spend a lot, spend an awful lot. But
you know, Mike to your point, you know, every little
bit helps Matt. Before we end the show tonight, I
did want to give you an opportunity to plug an
event that's happening as well at the end of the month.
Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate that. So September twenty seventh, In fact,
actually I just pulled it up right here. We will
be doing the North Central Pennsylvania Town Hall at the
Austin Cramp Ground at Nelson Run in southern Potter County,
and we have myself, Sean and Gwen Gwen Purcell from
gott Knockers and visit her her page they gott Knockers website.
It is fantastic. The three of us are going to
be discussing about the ongoing research up there, our own experiences,
and then we're also going to be sitting back in
taking reports. Later on that evening we're going to organize
a night hike and have some fun. So it's a
great area. It's an absolutely untouched area up there. The
reports are coming in. We just had a class A
back in April, so it is a fantastic, fantastic area.
So and it's a great weekend to be out, So
take take a quick day trip up to Potter County,
see me, Sean and Glen and have a good time.
Speaker 2: Folks would also be remiss if we didn't take it.
Just a moment to acknowledge the passing of luminary doctor
Jeff Meldrim, wh we've had a little memorial tribute to
at the top corner of the page here all evening.
Sad is the only word that comes to mind about this,
and we will be hosting a memorial show at some point.
We just felt give it a little time. We've got
a lot of memorial shows going on out there, there
was one going on tonight. Didn't want to steal anybody's
thunder or have folks choose who they wanted to go
listen to to pay tribute to doctor Meldrim. So very sad.
Condolences go out to his family and all his friends
and those of you that were really close to doctor Meldrim,
someone I've worked with on and offer over the years.
I wouldn't say we were best buddies, but definitely you know, friendly,
you know, acquaintance acquaintances. So just really sad. But we
didn't want to take the whole temperature of the show down.
We wanted to keep it a little light hearted and fun,
and I think we succeeded in that. So there'll be
something forthcoming. Henry, why don't you take us out with
those dulcet tones. You'll be good. It'd be good. It
doesn't get better than that. Folks, keep on squatch and
we'll see in two weeks. Mike, thanks for joining us,
and folks.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
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