Speaker 1: All right, this is Colonel Grat Newsham, the author of
Speaker 1: When China A Warning to America, and you're listening to
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Speaker 2: entitled When China Attacks A Warning to America. Is so
Speaker 2: apropos today, as if you check the local news and
Speaker 2: national and world news, China is in the front of
Speaker 2: the headlines with the China and Taiwan situation. A little
Speaker 2: backstory on the book, First China is Attacking, Colonel Grant
Speaker 2: Newsham outlines what America must do to fight back, how
Speaker 2: meanish China wants to replace. The United States is the
Speaker 2: world's leading superpower, and the looming feeling of attack is
Speaker 2: on the mine of Americans everywhere. In When China attacks
Speaker 2: a warning to America, Colonel Grant Newsham uses his military
Speaker 2: and China expertise to provide a well founded, blow by
Speaker 2: blow account of that's what China is capable of what
Speaker 2: our nation must do to stop the CCP. Drawing from
Speaker 2: intelligent experiences from his forty year career in the Marine
Speaker 2: Marine Corps and Sleep Department, Colonel Grant Newsham delivers a
Speaker 2: stark warning about America's impending war with China. Little brief
Speaker 2: background on our special guest. Colonel Grant Newsham, a retired
Speaker 2: US Marine, served in the Indo Pacific for decades, including
Speaker 2: an intelligence and liaison rolls, and was instrumental in establishing
Speaker 2: Japan's Amphibious Force. As a US Foreign Service officer, he
Speaker 2: covered a number of regions, including East and South Asia,
Speaker 2: and specialized in insurgency, counterinsurgency, and commercial matters. Colonel Newsham
Speaker 2: is an expert on political warfare, commercial espionage, an Asian
Speaker 2: organized crime, an attorney. He lived in Tokyo for more
Speaker 2: than twenty years working for an investment bank in the
Speaker 2: high tech industry. A hearty welcome to Lieutenantive to Colonel
Speaker 2: Grant Newsham on the Doctor Sky experience. Colonel, thank you
Speaker 2: for spending time with us.
Speaker 1: Oh, my pleasure. I appreciate the invitation.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. This book is outstanding and it goes
Speaker 2: to the top, of course, of our bookshelf to recommend
Speaker 2: to what's really going on behind the news. Talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about this book and the necessity. I think
Speaker 2: it's so appropriate. I mean, just look at the news
Speaker 2: around the world today as we're doing this interview toward
Speaker 2: the mid portion of April twenty twenty three. It couldn't
Speaker 2: be more timely, right, sir, Oh, not at all.
Speaker 1: I should send a thank you note to Beijing, for example,
Speaker 1: for having sent that balloon over the United States. There
Speaker 1: must have been a lot of people who looked up
Speaker 1: at the Chinese spy balloon and wondered, well, what is
Speaker 1: going on? What's the deal with China? Well, my book
Speaker 1: actually explains a lot of that, talks about a war
Speaker 1: which China has been waging against us for at least
Speaker 1: three decades, to talk about how they're fighting it, what
Speaker 1: damage has been done, what happens if we lose, and
Speaker 1: I also give some ideas of how to win. But
Speaker 1: China very much has been attacking us on a number
Speaker 1: of fronts, as I said, for decades, and they consider
Speaker 1: it war. Unfortunately, the United States does not consider what
Speaker 1: the Chinese are doing and have been doing to the
Speaker 1: war works to China's advantage. It has put us in
Speaker 1: a difficult position.
Speaker 2: Now, well, colonel, you say it so well. And in
Speaker 2: the twenty chapters they're in this book. Once again, I
Speaker 2: recommend everybody within the sound of this particular particular radio
Speaker 2: show and podcast, the Doctor Sky Experience, that they quickly
Speaker 2: get a copy of this and learn so much more.
Speaker 2: As we're talking around here in the timeframe of mid
Speaker 2: April twenty twenty three, we see that maybe a standoff
Speaker 2: between the United States military, the United States Navy, and
Speaker 2: the communist Chinese forces over Taiwan if you could explain
Speaker 2: to this audience. You go into some great detail about
Speaker 2: describing various phases of warfare. You describe something called entropic
Speaker 2: warfare and kinetic warfare. Please explain that to our audience,
Speaker 2: because we're getting an education today here on the sky experience.
Speaker 1: Well, sure, I'll be glad to you know. The one
Speaker 1: way to look at this is, you know, to consider
Speaker 1: how the Americans how we tend to look at war,
Speaker 1: and we look at it as something like one hundred
Speaker 1: yard dash, where the competitors get to the start line
Speaker 1: and they stretch out, and then they get in their
Speaker 1: crouch and then somebody shoots a gun and says go.
Speaker 1: And in the case of war, we look at it
Speaker 1: only once the shooting has started, and before that we
Speaker 1: don't look at it as war. We require actual shooting
Speaker 1: to have begun, and then we take it seriously. So
Speaker 1: the Chinese don't see it that way. They look at
Speaker 1: it as a continuum, as a spectrum of activities, and
Speaker 1: they've been doing things for decades. The economic warfare, you know,
Speaker 1: getting us to move so much of our manufacturing industry
Speaker 1: and other industries into China, handing over technology, letting the
Speaker 1: rest of it be stolen, of course, and that has
Speaker 1: built up China's economy, built up to help them build
Speaker 1: up their military and the processes well, and it's weakened
Speaker 1: us to China. That is very much a battlefield biological warfare.
Speaker 1: You know, one can argue about exactly where COVID came from,
Speaker 1: but I think there's little doubt that once it was
Speaker 1: out from China that they at least opportunistically heeded the
Speaker 1: rest of the world with it, and that just brought
Speaker 1: the United States to a halt. And that was an
Speaker 1: immensely successful sort of active war by the Chinese. Another
Speaker 1: one chemical warfare. The Chinese will refer to the drug
Speaker 1: warfare talking about say that particularly the fentanyl scourge which
Speaker 1: killed almost seventy thousand Americans last year, and most of
Speaker 1: that comes from China trying to claims it just can't
Speaker 1: do anything about it because it can't find who's doing it.
Speaker 1: And the Americans have taken, unfortunately, have taken them at
Speaker 1: their word instead of recognizing that this is an incredibly
Speaker 1: effective attack on the United States. You think of all
Speaker 1: the damage that has done. So there's cyber warfare, what
Speaker 1: I call proxy warfare is buying off the elite in
Speaker 1: your enemy. The Chinese has done that very well financial warfare,
Speaker 1: trying to displace the US dollar a week in the
Speaker 1: US dollar. Not that Congress isn't helping them with that
Speaker 1: without a control spending. But those are battlefronts that we
Speaker 1: have been under attack on for a long time now.
Speaker 1: But as I said, this doesn't appear to the Chinese
Speaker 1: to be something we're responding to. To us, we don't
Speaker 1: think that the war has actually started. So the Chinese
Speaker 1: will actually look at the so called kinetic warfare, and
Speaker 1: that's the modern word for what really means just a
Speaker 1: shooting war. So they look at that as almost the
Speaker 1: last step. You know, if you've softened up your enemy,
Speaker 1: you've got him weakend, you confused him, you've caused enough harm,
Speaker 1: but he either cannot respond or cannot respond effectively. And
Speaker 1: that is a very different way of looking at warfare
Speaker 1: compared to ours. And I use the expression you've mentioned
Speaker 1: it entropic warfare, And what that really means is you
Speaker 1: get your enemy in such a state of confusion that
Speaker 1: he is destroying himself and he is not able to
Speaker 1: resist your domination.
Speaker 2: Right, and you don't even have to fire a shot.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so amazing. It's like a cancer that spreads,
Speaker 2: and you say it so well. Here, I just want
Speaker 2: to remind our listeners you're not listening to the Doctor
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Speaker 2: We call it the Crown Jewel of Radio. Our special
Speaker 2: guest is Colonel Grant Nusham. And this book, Ladies and Gentlemen,
Speaker 2: really knocks it out of the park as far as
Speaker 2: what's really happening with China what we need to know.
Speaker 2: The book when China attacks a warning to America. Sadly,
Speaker 2: sir Colonel, you describe something that's been going on for
Speaker 2: such a long time. You make the analogy of Baltimore, Maryland,
Speaker 2: and what it was once and what it is now.
Speaker 2: Tell the listeners a little bit more about how this
Speaker 2: is all connected to the master plan that the Chinese
Speaker 2: Communist Party is now evolving in front of our eyes.
Speaker 1: Yes, I used Baltimore as an example, but it could
Speaker 1: have been a number of other American cities that once
Speaker 1: we're thriving societies, thriving neighborhoods, and now there are war
Speaker 1: zones at best actually gives war zone would actually be better
Speaker 1: in some respects. But what this is the result is
Speaker 1: there's a few things at work. One is i would
Speaker 1: say very successful Chinese economic warfare, and that was convincing
Speaker 1: America's financial class, it's business class, and too many of
Speaker 1: the political class, that China had to be allowed into
Speaker 1: the World Trade Organization despite meeting none of the requirement.
Speaker 1: There was a promise of sorts that they would eventually,
Speaker 1: but after twenty plus years they haven't met them at all.
Speaker 1: But that really allowed it gave the excuse for so
Speaker 1: much of American industry to move into China. Just gutted
Speaker 1: American societies. And when you take the jobs away, these decent,
Speaker 1: well paying jobs that generations had managed to live on
Speaker 1: and done very nicely, take that away, and then you've
Speaker 1: opened it up for chemical warfare, the drug war absolutely
Speaker 1: susceptible to it just happens to be fentanyl. Now it'll
Speaker 1: probably turn into something else before too long. You have
Speaker 1: actually also you have created a dependency, a constituency in
Speaker 1: the United States that thinks that it absolutely has to
Speaker 1: be doing business with China. It cannot do anything to
Speaker 1: upset that relationship, and that is effective psychological warfare. So
Speaker 1: you can see how these tie in with each other,
Speaker 1: and you see the effect that it has had on
Speaker 1: our military where so many people are either unable to
Speaker 1: join because they don't meet the standards they've got the
Speaker 1: drug history, or when seventy and people, many of them
Speaker 1: young people, are dying every year from fentanyl. Well that's
Speaker 1: taking a couple divisions off the battlefield. So you can say,
Speaker 1: as I said, you can see how these different types
Speaker 1: of warfare all tie into each other and they can
Speaker 1: be mutually reinforce it.
Speaker 2: And you make a good point, sir, in your book,
Speaker 2: and I wanted not to steal from the chapter, but
Speaker 2: of course people should get a copy of it and
Speaker 2: read it from cover to cover, all four hundred pages.
Speaker 2: But you describe this, and I believe it's very accurate.
Speaker 2: Only twenty three percent of those that would mean necessarily
Speaker 2: be inducted into the military can actually pass not only
Speaker 2: the litmus test from criminal backgrounds, but drug abuse and
Speaker 2: mental issues. That's a very sad state of affairs today
Speaker 2: when we once had a draft in this country. Nobody
Speaker 2: wants war. But am I at least accurate in quoting
Speaker 2: what you say in the book about that.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's probably even worse than worse than I stated,
Speaker 1: But it's just amazing that a country of three hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty million people cannot meet the sort of recruitment target.
Speaker 1: And there's an aspect of that that it goes beyond
Speaker 1: just the physical part, but also there's a sense that
Speaker 1: the America is not the country worth defending, that America
Speaker 1: is not a good country, and that is a form
Speaker 1: of education warfare. If you can get into the schools
Speaker 1: and get that point across and from a young age,
Speaker 1: that that has an effect on recruitment as well.
Speaker 2: Colonel bellows to talk about in the short time that
Speaker 2: we have here, But I'd like you to define the
Speaker 2: meaning of the Chinese word tien shah as you put
Speaker 2: in the book. As we know, the translation means all
Speaker 2: under heaven. But is that accurate in my statement of saying,
Speaker 2: if I put it this way, that that's their global
Speaker 2: domination concept, that what all of China is all under
Speaker 2: heaven and that's the whole policy that they believe theirs
Speaker 2: is theirs and they should go out and grab it right.
Speaker 1: It very much is one way to look at it.
Speaker 1: Is you think of how we used to always assume
Speaker 1: that you know, America's number one, that our system is
Speaker 1: the best one, and it's what most of the world,
Speaker 1: the world should be run under. Is just a given,
Speaker 1: something you eternalize. And for the communist Chinese it's similar,
Speaker 1: but they've also used it, I say, for less altruistic purposes.
Speaker 1: The idea is domination, complete domination, not any sort of
Speaker 1: a mutually beneficial coexistence. But the idea is to dominate
Speaker 1: every other country. And it doesn't necessarily mean physically occupy
Speaker 1: them or to peep them at war, but to dominate.
Speaker 1: And that is what they've set out to do, and
Speaker 1: it's and I must say that they've had some success
Speaker 1: at it. If you look at Latin America Africa, for example,
Speaker 1: the commercial inroads they have made with political influence, often
Speaker 1: greased with bribes and under table, under the table payments
Speaker 1: doesn't get the attention it should, but they are well
Speaker 1: on their way to establishing a global presence and ultimately
Speaker 1: surrounding us. When you actually look at where the Chinese
Speaker 1: have made their inroad, it does indeed look like they
Speaker 1: have global domination in mind. They have in effect said
Speaker 1: as much all you have to do is read what
Speaker 1: Siji Ping has said, and even his predecessors they weren't
Speaker 1: exactly nice guys either, But just look at what Ashiji
Speaker 1: Ping is on record as having said, and the idea
Speaker 1: of Chinese global domination. It may have seemed preposterous twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, but it really should be taken very seriously.
Speaker 1: The Chinese telegraph their punches and we should know what's coming.
Speaker 2: Well, Colonel, this is fascinating here on the Doctor Sky
Speaker 2: experience today. So many questions to ask in so limited time,
Speaker 2: at least in this interview, and I always recommend, if
Speaker 2: it's okay by our guest, to come back at a
Speaker 2: future time too to talk more in the details of
Speaker 2: what's happening in the world, particularly with the China and
Speaker 2: the Communist Chinese Party. But their goal for world domination
Speaker 2: is sir, and the word Tien Shah, as we talked
Speaker 2: about and translated I believe to all under heaven. Is
Speaker 2: it possible because they are one of the most populated
Speaker 2: nations on the earth that the German concept of something
Speaker 2: called leiben Schrom which means living space also kind of
Speaker 2: counters into this or plays a part of this. Simply
Speaker 2: what they have so many people in such a small area.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it make sense that they want this not only
Speaker 2: for the economic the military side of the equation, the
Speaker 2: power that they could possess, but they want more places
Speaker 2: for their people to live. Is that a simple way
Speaker 2: of looking at that concept of leibenschrom for them.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would note Australia, it's been said, and there's
Speaker 1: been cases where Chinese officials have noted that, well, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of space in Australia, there's not many people.
Speaker 1: It would go very nicely for China. There is very
Speaker 1: much an aspect of that there is a surplus population
Speaker 1: for now that they like to keep busy for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: And well, with that word leavinsam as a very negative
Speaker 1: connotation because of it being coined by Adolf Hitler. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: it does still apply here.
Speaker 2: It's a very interesting story. You know, there was a
Speaker 2: secret speech I guess not so secret now, and I
Speaker 2: hope I pronounce it right by a general Chi Ho
Speaker 2: Chion back in two thousand and five. And I encourage people,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, sir, you're a wealth of knowledge on this
Speaker 2: particular speech, which basically goes into the story I guess
Speaker 2: they didn't want it to pop out, but the Epoch Times,
Speaker 2: I think, got a copy of this. It talks about
Speaker 2: how they want to do this plan for world global
Speaker 2: domination and how they would treat those that are not
Speaker 2: necessarily on their side, just like what Mao did to
Speaker 2: so many of the people. Are you very familiar with
Speaker 2: that speech and if you would comment on it. It
Speaker 2: simply describes a plan for more details on global domination
Speaker 2: by the Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it makes your blood run cold when you
Speaker 1: read these things, not least because they're still doing you know,
Speaker 1: the plans are still there. It really can't be just excused.
Speaker 1: It's just one extremist talking and that system. Extremists don't
Speaker 1: last very long if they don't have government approval. It's
Speaker 1: known that there is a list being made of, for example,
Speaker 1: Taiwanese who are considered not friendly enough to China or
Speaker 1: have supposedly advocated independence, and it's a kill liss for
Speaker 1: when the time comes, and it's not as if Taiwan
Speaker 1: is the only place such a thing exists. Tenders do
Speaker 1: keep the Communists do keep a very good track of
Speaker 1: who their friends are and who their friends are not.
Speaker 1: But these sorts of statements that get leaked out every
Speaker 1: once in a while, and even ones that get written
Speaker 1: in China, they get published, but they're in Chinese, so
Speaker 1: Americans tend not to and foreigners tend not to notice them.
Speaker 1: That these sorts of things give us a very clear
Speaker 1: sense of what is coming if we do come under
Speaker 1: Chinese domination, and that's really something we have not experienced
Speaker 1: far and awfully a long time. I think there's a
Speaker 1: few people alive today who can quite conceive of the
Speaker 1: threat that the Chinese Communist Party poses to us.
Speaker 2: Colonel I guess I'm being simplistic when I asked this question.
Speaker 2: I mean I would have an answer, and I'm not
Speaker 2: a military person. I served the United States Army, but
Speaker 2: not at the level that you did, sir, and I
Speaker 2: salute you for your service and all others. My gvice.
Speaker 2: A concern is this when you look at China and
Speaker 2: you look at what their military was, and you now
Speaker 2: see and I'm going to ask you, in a little
Speaker 2: more into depth of this interview to talk about their
Speaker 2: current strength. Let's talk a little bit about that military,
Speaker 2: and let's talk a little bit about why in this
Speaker 2: country I guess the most simplistic question you've probably gotten
Speaker 2: from all these different interviews, many of which I'm sure
Speaker 2: are very very positive on this subject, why in the hell,
Speaker 2: and I say it so simply, is this government not
Speaker 2: paying attention to this. It's almost like reliction of duty,
Speaker 2: or if I even go to an extreme term, treason.
Speaker 2: What the heck is going on here that to me,
Speaker 2: even I think a seven year old would think that
Speaker 2: this is insane not to stop it or do something
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Well, it is even it's even worse that we have
Speaker 1: effectively funded the growth of the Chinese military. The Chinese
Speaker 1: currency is not freely convertible, which means that nobody outside
Speaker 1: China much wants it. So if the Chinese want to
Speaker 1: buy stay Australian iron ores to make steal to build
Speaker 1: navy ships, have to pay for it in something like dollars.
Speaker 1: Wall Street and the business class have made sure that
Speaker 1: they have had all the money they need to pay
Speaker 1: for this. So that is one aspect of this infanity
Speaker 1: that has gotten us into this fix. I think you
Speaker 1: find that excessive administration until the Trump administration, all thought
Speaker 1: that China could be made nicer with just a little
Speaker 1: more accommodation and ignoring the their aggressive their aggressive behavior,
Speaker 1: you're just crazy. And I think the lots that does
Speaker 1: track down to come back to money, that when you
Speaker 1: can get the influential financial business classes, the donor classes
Speaker 1: that have political influence, get them to think that they
Speaker 1: are making a ton of money in China or wills
Speaker 1: one day that you have effectively handcuffed your main enemy.
Speaker 1: And that's what the Chinese referred to us as is
Speaker 1: the main enemy. And the military, the US military was
Speaker 1: not immune to this at all. Too many of the
Speaker 1: senior leaders saw that the way to get ahead was
Speaker 1: to mirror that thinking that they saw in the business class,
Speaker 1: they thought in administrations, they thought in the White House,
Speaker 1: and just insists that China was not a threat. In
Speaker 1: around two thousand and ninety nine, for example, then the
Speaker 1: head of a commander of Pacific commands of all US
Speaker 1: forces in the Pacific, he was visiting China and he
Speaker 1: was asked about the possibility of Chinese aircraft carriers and
Speaker 1: he said he saw nothing wrong with that and would
Speaker 1: be glad to help China developed them to as much
Speaker 1: as he could. And that was the thinking. So really
Speaker 1: until about twenty seventeen, even the US military in it,
Speaker 1: you could not say that China was even an adversary
Speaker 1: or you would be in trouble. So the entire nation
Speaker 1: or the parts of it that have too much influence
Speaker 1: kind of went insane. And really, we built up this
Speaker 1: enemy that would cause us no end of trouble if
Speaker 1: they'd choose their spots in the time of attack.
Speaker 2: Right, amazing, Colonel, About a decade ago, or maybe even
Speaker 2: a generation ago, which I think we talk about twenty
Speaker 2: five years, the Chinese Communist Party and the military, their
Speaker 2: military did not have from reading in your book, I
Speaker 2: wanted you to corroborate and expand the ability to project
Speaker 2: their power beyond let's say their own nation state, and
Speaker 2: obviously the Taiwan situation only ninety miles away, there's obviously
Speaker 2: a whole change of foot here with China today. So
Speaker 2: describe them then and what is their capability right now?
Speaker 2: Is we want to talk a little bit more before
Speaker 2: I get to the ultimate stuff about what could happen here.
Speaker 2: Very sadly, as the Communist Chinese military and the Communist
Speaker 2: Chinese Party tries to take back to ii Wan, describe that, well,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: They really have the ability to throw their weight around
Speaker 1: big time, to use the technical word, close to China.
Speaker 1: But once they get too far beyond China's sort of
Speaker 1: near maritime boundaries or get too far away from China,
Speaker 1: that ability drops off pretty quickly. So China would have
Speaker 1: a very hard time defending says sea lanes of communication
Speaker 1: of the transport. And it does depend on food imports,
Speaker 1: energy imports to take care of its need. That doesn't
Speaker 1: produce anywhere near what it needs, so it is vulnerable
Speaker 1: if a fight is if you expand the battlefield. But
Speaker 1: if it's a fight close to China, certainly Taiwan is
Speaker 1: pretty close to China that they could cause us a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble. You know, one example, when US ships
Speaker 1: go into the South China Sea that yes, they can
Speaker 1: go in there, but China also shadows the Chinese navy
Speaker 1: shadows them and could probably put in at least ten
Speaker 1: ships for everyone the US Navy can send into the
Speaker 1: South China Sea. Plus you have land based missile batteries,
Speaker 1: et cetera. That would make it a very long afternoon
Speaker 1: for the US Navy presence in the South China Sea.
Speaker 1: But as I said, you expand the battlefield and they
Speaker 1: don't have that capability yet for global operation, but that's coming.
Speaker 1: They intend to do it, and I would suggest that
Speaker 1: within five years they could have something pretty interesting. Going
Speaker 1: ten years, they if on current trends, that the Chinese
Speaker 1: military will be operating globally. They're in fact setting up
Speaker 1: the infrastructure to do that under commercial guys, with a
Speaker 1: ports and airfield that they've been funding in Latin America, Africa,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Caribbean. They even have Chinese companies on both
Speaker 1: ends of the Panama Canal and these are duly use
Speaker 1: facilities and when the time comes, we will see the
Speaker 1: People's Liberation Army operating from these. Their military is building
Speaker 1: up at such a rate that they will have the
Speaker 1: hardware and the manpower to be able to they operate globally.
Speaker 1: It used to be just us that could do that.
Speaker 1: Within a decade, I think it will be the Chinese
Speaker 1: giving us a real run for money globally regionally. That
Speaker 1: will probably happen within five years now.
Speaker 2: You say it so well in your book, And I
Speaker 2: don't want to conclude this interview just quite yet, and
Speaker 2: I quote your words, we don't have much time left
Speaker 2: end quote, And it's really serious. I mean, people listening
Speaker 2: to this interview here as we conduct the Doctor Sky
Speaker 2: Experience on the Great Talk Radio seventy seven ABC, the
Speaker 2: crown Jewel of radio, and we talk about truth justice
Speaker 2: in the American way, also like they do on many
Speaker 2: of their shows, taking a break from our normal science
Speaker 2: topics of astronomy, space, aviation, and weather. But Colonel this
Speaker 2: is interesting because right now, as we're doing this in
Speaker 2: April of twenty twenty three, hopefully cooler heads prevail, but
Speaker 2: give us a little analysis of how close the hair
Speaker 2: trigger might get to be pulled in what's really going
Speaker 2: on right now? I mean, obviously we're probably not getting
Speaker 2: all the correct information, but I understand one of our
Speaker 2: battle groups, maybe the United States, the USS Knibbits is
Speaker 2: in there, one of our great aircraft carriers describe what's
Speaker 2: really going on right now as we're talking in April.
Speaker 1: Well, what we're seeing is the Chinese military, the People's
Speaker 1: Liberation Army, going through a systematic build up capabilities to
Speaker 1: be able to attack Taiwan and think that they could succeed.
Speaker 1: We've got a first glimpse of this in August twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two with the missile exercises. The bracketed Taiwan landed
Speaker 1: in Japanese territory to and now what we're seeing is
Speaker 1: more air and naval coordination practicing. And I think the
Speaker 1: next thing we're going to stay in fall will be
Speaker 1: a landing exercise. And think of it as a baseball team.
Speaker 1: It's spring training, where the outfielders do their things, the
Speaker 1: infielders do theirs, the pitchers and the catchers workout, and
Speaker 1: then at some point it all comes together. And we're
Speaker 1: just about at the point where it all comes together
Speaker 1: for the PLA. And I would suggest that by the
Speaker 1: end of this year that teaching pay will think that
Speaker 1: his military is ready to go. But what they're going
Speaker 1: to look at, I think, is the presidential election that's
Speaker 1: coming up in Taiwan in January twenty twenty four. If
Speaker 1: a pro PRC candidate wins, I think China might back
Speaker 1: off and expect that guy to bring Taiwan into China's
Speaker 1: embrace without fire. But if a candidate from the other
Speaker 1: party then wants nothing to do with Chinese enslavement wins,
Speaker 1: I think the gloves come off, and I think at
Speaker 1: any point after that that shooting war is likely a
Speaker 1: lot will depend on Chinese calculation of American military capability
Speaker 1: to respond quickly and effectively and not take say weeks
Speaker 1: or months to build up and respond. But it has
Speaker 1: to be quickly. They'll assess that, but they also will
Speaker 1: look at the state of affairs in the United States,
Speaker 1: and also they will take the measure of whoever is
Speaker 1: in the White House. And because the US really is
Speaker 1: the one power that can defend Taiwan, can obstruct Chinese
Speaker 1: plans for regional and then global domination. So the kind
Speaker 1: of will have I think the military capability in just
Speaker 1: a few months to think that they have a very
Speaker 1: good chance of taking Taiwan, and then they're going to
Speaker 1: do the political calculations at the same time and sort
Speaker 1: of before making a go decision. Well, that's how close
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 2: Very scary. I mean, what you're predicting here and let's
Speaker 2: hope it's not the case. But the actual shoot is.
Speaker 2: That's why we get great guests like yourself. But can
Speaker 2: you define what is from your knowledge base? And it's
Speaker 2: pretty extensive from what we're hearing, what is the official
Speaker 2: policy of the United States to defend Taiwan? At this point,
Speaker 2: we keep hearing President Biden say things and gets kind
Speaker 2: of rebuffed by his press team there that he's saying, yes,
Speaker 2: we will come to the aid of Taiwan. Is there
Speaker 2: an official doctrine that we know or you know about
Speaker 2: that we can make these listeners of this show feel
Speaker 2: a little more confident that we would defend a freedom
Speaker 2: and democracy loving country.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty sure that the US military has plans
Speaker 1: in place. In fact, I would bet a lot of
Speaker 1: them that they do to do their best to defend
Speaker 1: Taiwan if given the order. But it does them down
Speaker 1: to the administration and this last administration with mister Trump's
Speaker 1: there were people in it, Mike Pompeo, Matt pottingerde stillwell, Miles, you,
Speaker 1: Pete Navarro. The Chinese absolutely hated them and they were
Speaker 1: afraid of them. But this one, I don't say this
Speaker 1: with any pleasure at all, because everyone wants us to succeed.
Speaker 1: But I don't know who it is in this administration
Speaker 1: that scares them. Sometimes, you know, they some good things
Speaker 1: are said about taking on the Chinese or the Chinese communists,
Speaker 1: and also there's been some good moves to say restrict
Speaker 1: semiconductor exports and some technology exports, to the PRC. But
Speaker 1: then again, at the same time, we will allow Chinese
Speaker 1: companies to list on US exchanges and earn and raise
Speaker 1: the capital they need to build up the military. So
Speaker 1: it's almost a schizophrenic approach towards the PRC. The short
Speaker 1: answer is, if we have doubts about what the Americans
Speaker 1: would do, well, one imagines dej does as well. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't require us to change our policy of strategic ambiguity,
Speaker 1: which is that unofficial US policy for decades that says, well,
Speaker 1: we might defend Taiwan or we might not. So in effect,
Speaker 1: do you feel lucky China. Well, when the PRC was
Speaker 1: didn't have a military, that was all that good. You
Speaker 1: could get away with that. But these days you have
Speaker 1: got to make it very clear that if Ciji thing
Speaker 1: does make a move, he is going to lose everything. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that we have put that fear in
Speaker 1: the Chinese, so I think they might look at it
Speaker 1: and when they consider the state of affairs in the
Speaker 1: US that they just might think it's worth a trying.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. We're going to hear a little excerpt
Speaker 2: from what the retired General Jack Keane has said on
Speaker 2: Fox News and we play that in concordance with what
Speaker 2: you're talking about about a warning that should be very
Speaker 2: much paid attention to here, because, as you describe it,
Speaker 2: we don't have much time.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 3: Let's bring in retired for Star General Jack Keene, former
Speaker 3: Army Vice chair of Staff, chairman of the Institute for
Speaker 3: the Study of War, and a Fox News senior strategic analyst.
Speaker 4: General, it's always great to have you on.
Speaker 3: We hear a lot of talk about General Mike Minahan
Speaker 3: saying the US will be at war with China by
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin says, No, in
Speaker 3: your case, General, you don't think it's as much about
Speaker 3: timing as as how important it is having an effective
Speaker 3: military deterrence, which right now we don't have.
Speaker 4: Fair.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: Trace.
Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, this gentleman is talking a
Speaker 5: very blunt, direct language to his subordinates. And what we
Speaker 5: do in peacetime and all the services is prepare for war,
Speaker 5: and hopefully by doing so, we're deterring war. And that's
Speaker 5: what he was doing. He was making certain his troops
Speaker 5: understood that war could be around the corner. All said
Speaker 5: the very same thing. To our troops at different levels
Speaker 5: of command during our tenure. But what I think is
Speaker 5: really going on here. He just came out of the
Speaker 5: Pacific region. He's very conversant with what is taking place
Speaker 5: there and the fact that we have lost our military deterrence.
Speaker 5: It has eroded because of the nine to eleven wars
Speaker 5: and budgets that don't meet the requirements. And he sees
Speaker 5: that and knows that China does have a military advantage
Speaker 5: right now, more ships, more planes, and certainly more missiles,
Speaker 5: and he doesn't certainly want them to take advantage of that,
Speaker 5: but as possible they could. It's not knowable what's going
Speaker 5: on in President She's mind, whether it's a year, two years,
Speaker 5: or five years from now. But what is knowable is
Speaker 5: that our military deterrence is not what it should be.
Speaker 5: And I believe that is where the General's coming from,
Speaker 5: because he knows that we're vulnerable and we have got
Speaker 5: to fix it.
Speaker 4: So what's the remedy, I mean, that's the whole thing
Speaker 4: in general.
Speaker 3: What's the remedy to get stronger in the Pacific region
Speaker 3: if that's the necessity here? And how long will it take?
Speaker 3: Is it a money issue? Is it is it something else.
Speaker 5: It's partially money, but it's also a commitment. One. We
Speaker 5: have to upgun Taiwan. We've got a nineteen billion dollar
Speaker 5: backlog of equipment going to Taiwan that they have paid for,
Speaker 5: and the backlog is years. The Congress has got to
Speaker 5: get into this and roll this leaves up and fix
Speaker 5: the foreign military sales system with a sense of urgency.
Speaker 5: And so we have to do training with Taiwan in
Speaker 5: a way that Jennifer just mensing we're doing with South Korea.
Speaker 5: We don't do much of any of that with Taiwan.
Speaker 5: We self deter ourselves because we don't want to provoke
Speaker 5: the Chinese. And second thing is we've got to move
Speaker 5: our forces. More forces into the region, yes, more planes, Yes,
Speaker 5: more ships, and more missiles. We've got to deploy them
Speaker 5: and make certain of China on the stands that there
Speaker 5: is an effective deterrence and the only way that's going
Speaker 5: to happen is them generals will look at it and say, well,
Speaker 5: the cost is too great for us to start a
Speaker 5: war over Taiwan here with the United States because we
Speaker 5: don't know what the outcome will be. That is the
Speaker 5: kind of answer we want.
Speaker 4: I just quickly. Fifteen second, Jar, I want to put
Speaker 4: this on the screen.
Speaker 3: This is from the Chinese Foreign Ministry concerning Kevin McCarthy's
Speaker 3: upcoming trip. He says, China opposes any form of official
Speaker 3: interaction between its Taiwan region and countries having diplomatic ties
Speaker 3: with China. We hope US lawmakers will abide by the
Speaker 3: one China principle. What do you think of that? Very quickly?
Speaker 4: I mean this said kind of the same thing when
Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 5: Went, we should visit Taiwan and support them, Marl support
Speaker 5: political support that a political leader would provide. But look
Speaker 5: at the Secretary of Defense should go, he does, and
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State should go on in his own
Speaker 5: trip he doesn't. The Chairman doesn't go, That Indo Pacific
Speaker 5: Commander doesn't go. We self deter ourselves from this because
Speaker 5: we don't want to provoke China. We've got to stop
Speaker 5: puddling this issue and make certain we're providing the support
Speaker 5: to Taiwan that they need.
Speaker 4: Yeah, General, great to see you, Thank you, sir.
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Speaker 2: I thought that was quite interesting. But this is kind
Speaker 2: of amazing, Colonel. As we wrap up our interview today, sadly,
Speaker 2: i'd love to ask you straight up if we could
Speaker 2: do this in another format some other time in the
Speaker 2: future as time and things unfold, if that's okay with you,
Speaker 2: and always looking forward to having great guests like yourself.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting what we find out from President Chi
Speaker 2: as you write in your book that he made this
Speaker 2: statement to the twentieth Party Congress in October of just
Speaker 2: this past twenty twenty two, and he said, I quote,
Speaker 2: there's no commitment to renounce the use of force, and
Speaker 2: the option to take all necessary measures is retained. The
Speaker 2: complete reunification of the Motherland must be realized and can
Speaker 2: certainly be realized end quote. A very powerful statement there,
Speaker 2: and that concerns so many people. But unfortunately, Colonel, I
Speaker 2: don't think enough right now, as we're totally involved in
Speaker 2: our sports and certain other problems that we have here
Speaker 2: in the nation. Thank God for our freedom and democracy.
Speaker 2: But again, I think people should pay attention to this
Speaker 2: particular subject, obviously, and it's an honor to have you
Speaker 2: here so I was wondering if that's okay, if in
Speaker 2: the future we might be able to do this As
Speaker 2: time unfolds here and the story between China and Taiwan evolved,
Speaker 2: what's so you, sir?
Speaker 1: Oh, of course, anytime at all. I'm always glad to
Speaker 1: glad to weigh in. Certainly gotten to be pretty interested.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to get even more interesting as
Speaker 1: the month's play out here.
Speaker 2: And we end off with a quote from your book
Speaker 2: from Captain Jim Finnel, United States Navy retired and he said,
Speaker 2: and I quote, either we embrace our survival instinct, we
Speaker 2: will end up being told how to live by the
Speaker 2: same best wards or locking down tens of millions in China.
Speaker 2: End of quote or end quote, as they say, more professionally,
Speaker 2: thank you for your time today on the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 2: A very special guest, Colonel brand Lusham a book that
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Speaker 2: we're not necessarily just a democracy, folks. The technical term
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