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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>October twenty seven, twenty twenty five, allegedly, according to that

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<v Speaker 2>thing we call a calendar, this the o'celli effect.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that already because you found the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, we are live here on a Monday or a Moonday,

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<v Speaker 2>but not usually. Now I push this particular discussion to

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<v Speaker 2>Monday because I got a lot of stuff going on

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<v Speaker 2>this week and I wanted to fit in a friend

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<v Speaker 2>who I just saw is releasing new music, so I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would be a good time to get him

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<v Speaker 2>into the mix. And he'll definitely be different from the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the material this week. And it's a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing because I don't want to talk about news every

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<v Speaker 2>single day. I don't want to talk about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm not talking news, I'm talking historical assassinations. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how about we talk about something that's creative

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<v Speaker 2>and interesting as opposed to history we need to revisit

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<v Speaker 2>and the current times, which I wish we weren't living in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So there we go anyway, doing this on

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<v Speaker 2>a Monday, And yeah, we went to stream late, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's because technology just wanted to revolt against me a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit today and teams is a pain in the ass.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we are anyway, erroneous method. Now, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>give you the links in the show notes for his

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<v Speaker 2>social media and also where you can go to get

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<v Speaker 2>the new material, which has an interesting cover and interesting

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<v Speaker 2>title as well. And maybe I'll ask about the meaning

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<v Speaker 2>of that, because I see Venus and I start to

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<v Speaker 2>think about the esoteric aspects and the ethereal battle that

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<v Speaker 2>is indeed waging in front of us at all times,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, even though we are the flesh made or

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<v Speaker 2>dirt made, monkeys or whatever, enlightened by God, depending on

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<v Speaker 2>who you talk to, et cetera, et cetera. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to explore the esoteric. But then again, I might

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<v Speaker 2>be overthinking this as per usual.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's hear from the man himself, Ironi's method. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you doing the podcast anymore? I mean, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing tonight? But what's been up with you

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<v Speaker 2>since the last time we talked?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's great to be here. As always, I love

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<v Speaker 1>chatting with you.

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<v Speaker 4>We always get into some in depth stuff and that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I see that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So the podcast is kind of on hiatus. It's

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<v Speaker 4>one of those technocracy things, right, They did this whole

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<v Speaker 4>podcast the dead End thing over at Spotify again, where

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<v Speaker 4>they knuked a bunch of people's accounts and made it

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<v Speaker 4>real hard to get back into them because of two

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<v Speaker 4>and three factor authentication.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm currently battling.

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<v Speaker 4>With Spotify to get my account back and get Shut

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<v Speaker 4>Up Jeweled back on the air. And when we do

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<v Speaker 4>come back, I'm gonna have a large list of guests

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<v Speaker 4>that have been lining.

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<v Speaker 1>Up to come on the show. So I'm excited to, like,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully one day, get back into that.

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<v Speaker 4>The other thing is, you know, this new album I've

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<v Speaker 4>been working on has taken three years because I've made

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<v Speaker 4>every piece of this from scratch myself. I even recorded

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<v Speaker 4>the whole thing myself. I didn't have an attack or anything.

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<v Speaker 4>I was literally hitting the record button myself. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>a different kind of piece of work, and you are

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<v Speaker 4>right to call out the set nature of it, and

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<v Speaker 4>we can get into that a little bit as we go.

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<v Speaker 4>All my albums have kind of a planetary body theme,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, it kind of sends a certain message

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<v Speaker 4>for each each one.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've talked about that a little more excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>So what you're telling me is, do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have any specific questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>What you're telling me so far is that you did

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<v Speaker 2>this without the benefit of a whole lot of AI slop,

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<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, people are pumping out music now, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to call out any names, but people

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<v Speaker 2>that I thought were, you know, working in the organic

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<v Speaker 2>world and we're old school musicians at a certain point,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them have turned to the AI now and

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<v Speaker 2>have gone all in where it's like, hey, you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of nervous about this, but hey, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fun and I get it because I've even.

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<v Speaker 3>Played with it a little lately and created a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Of music, you know, just because I don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>full band, I mean, and I'm just a bass player

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<v Speaker 2>slash vocalist, so what am I supposed to do. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have drums even anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I generated a few things with AI, but then

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know what, let's get back to literally

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<v Speaker 2>doing the work ourselves at least and put together a

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<v Speaker 2>few pieces. I'm still working on them, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>doing stuff that's going to be on the show for

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<v Speaker 2>like ten seconds, you know. I just but I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be authentic. So what you're telling me is you

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<v Speaker 2>actually sat there and did this entire thing on your own,

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<v Speaker 2>which is great to hear, first of all, because it

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<v Speaker 2>means it's literally your creation. So even if it fails

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<v Speaker 2>and it's terrible, it's like, you know what, that's my disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can't blame the AI or you can't

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. It's not like, oh I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know how to operate the prompts, et cetera. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I'm not saying it's a disaster. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I've listened to a few pieces, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to listen to a piece tonight. But what about

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<v Speaker 2>that planetary body theme? If you don't mind, let's go

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<v Speaker 2>there first, because I mean, you just try.

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<v Speaker 3>To remain within the milky Way.

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<v Speaker 2>Or do you want to go past this particular patch

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<v Speaker 2>in the universe?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me.

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<v Speaker 4>At this point, I kind of started this my professional

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<v Speaker 4>albums right with the album Jupiter, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>I did a you know, a Star Wars type thing

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<v Speaker 4>where I went out of order. And the idea is

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<v Speaker 4>that when they're done, you're going to go back and

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<v Speaker 4>allays say to them in order of the planetary bodies

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<v Speaker 4>from first to ninth right, and it's going to tell

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<v Speaker 4>a Cohes's story from beginning to add and mostly so

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<v Speaker 4>it's taken a lot of work to kind of weave.

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<v Speaker 1>In and out.

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<v Speaker 4>The last few albums have been a personal series, so

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<v Speaker 4>I've been doing an extremely introspective look at myself and

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<v Speaker 4>what I've been through. So this current album, Venus, it

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<v Speaker 4>starts at the end of the pandemic, kind of coming

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<v Speaker 4>out of that emersion from that where my head was

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<v Speaker 4>at how scrambled I felt as a human being, all

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<v Speaker 4>the things I had been researching and studying, So it

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<v Speaker 4>kind of comes in with this pulp noir theme. And

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<v Speaker 4>as always in the Erroneous Method world, we're in a

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<v Speaker 4>dystopian science fiction landscape set just slightly in the near

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<v Speaker 4>future from us. So it's supposed to be kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like a reflective world of our own, a little darker,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's also supposed to emerge my own personal struggles.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what I set out with this album to

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<v Speaker 4>make a blues album.

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<v Speaker 1>And I made three or four blues.

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<v Speaker 4>Songs, and I only two of them naturally made it

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<v Speaker 4>onto the album because it just didn't fit the theme of

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<v Speaker 4>where it started to go with you know, no matter what,

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<v Speaker 4>I always end up gravitating back to rap, which.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I didn't have to.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish I could have stated that I wish I

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<v Speaker 4>could do other things. But the more I get away

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<v Speaker 4>from rap, the more I'm like, it just pulls me

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<v Speaker 4>right back in.

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<v Speaker 3>See.

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<v Speaker 2>This is interesting to me because you've gone through a

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<v Speaker 2>dynamic here. You haven't been entirely comfortable in your own

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<v Speaker 2>world personally for a bit. I'm not going to dig

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<v Speaker 2>too deep, but I'm going to say that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you went through some challenges. Losing everything definitely creates a

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<v Speaker 2>different perspective. You know, when you end up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of face down for a minute, it gets you

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<v Speaker 2>to have to pick yourself back up. And that less

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<v Speaker 2>in and of itself is you know what, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most common themes in music anyway, whether people are

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<v Speaker 2>doing instrumentals or they're writing lyrics, they've often related about

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<v Speaker 2>a struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>That's usually the big thing here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's no movie without a conflict, there's no song.

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<v Speaker 3>Without a struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually that's the way I see it anyway, at least

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<v Speaker 2>that's the stuff that has a soul, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>your soul has been through some challenges in the past decade,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the rest of us. True, but also you had

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<v Speaker 3>personal stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been personal stuff superimposed on top of that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>so you are in the collective, you know, trained record

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<v Speaker 2>reality that we're all in right now, but also on

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<v Speaker 2>top of it, you know, you lost a lot. You

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<v Speaker 2>kind of had plans, and the universe told you exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what you could do with your plans, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>like it's done to me at various points here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I've been on this journey doing this show for

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen years. Yeah, thirteen years of this and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about it, it's pretty crazy because I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>started out as just an.

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<v Speaker 3>Idea that I, you know, barely knew how to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been on you know, various platforms, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>with different networks. I've done it, and the funny thing

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<v Speaker 2>is the show has kind of remained still at its

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<v Speaker 2>core what it was to begin with, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the whole world has sort of remade itself in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Different form. I mean, if you told me that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was going to be staring at, you know, the second

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<v Speaker 2>non consecutive term of Donald Trump with a country that's

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<v Speaker 2>really heavily divided as it is.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Ago, I would have said, dude, you got to pass

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<v Speaker 2>that joint. You know, you can't sit there with it

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<v Speaker 2>all day, That's what I would have said, because you

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<v Speaker 2>would have been smoking a little too hard.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have thought.

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<v Speaker 2>But here we are, you know, and that's just the politics.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not even the rest of the strange you know,

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<v Speaker 2>psychosocial dynamic that we're dealing with here, which is another

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<v Speaker 2>part of the reality. Right people aren't even interacting with

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<v Speaker 2>each other the way that they did ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know the fact that you're constructing this universe

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<v Speaker 2>where we're gonna go, you know, out of order, but

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<v Speaker 2>eventually it's gonna come together makes perfect sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you have to make everything in a pulp fiction

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<v Speaker 2>style order at this.

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<v Speaker 3>Point, literally, like that movie, the fact that it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was you know, not in its correct timeline, you know, chronologically.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to make things that way because that's the

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<v Speaker 2>way the world actually is functioning at this point, between

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<v Speaker 2>the nostalgia porn and the uh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead to talk about that a little more, please, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, no, yeah, yeah, you're nailing it. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>which is Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, right, and I

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<v Speaker 4>and flow right through it.

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about, you know, I'm not being Dean Martin

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<v Speaker 1>turning my Deans into steak because I'm Jerry Lewis.

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<v Speaker 4>So the idea is from that movie, because like there's

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of comedic bit about how Jerry Lewis is

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<v Speaker 4>pretending that he's eating a steak, you know, like imagining that,

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<v Speaker 4>this one bean and they're trying to pretend it's a steak,

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<v Speaker 4>and Dean Martin is not playing along.

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<v Speaker 1>He just refuses to.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind kind of do this exercise with Terry Lewis, and

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<v Speaker 4>him to the window and lands on Jerry Lewis's play.

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<v Speaker 4>And the idea is like manifestation, right, like conjuring up

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<v Speaker 4>what you want out of life. Pretend you're one bean

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<v Speaker 4>And I wrote this in the middle of a flood.

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<v Speaker 4>of water throughout the process of the flood on the ground,

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<v Speaker 4>back to that theme multiple times of turning my beans

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<v Speaker 4>into steak in the album. And it's just a throwaway

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<v Speaker 4>line that you would never understand. It's like literally for

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<v Speaker 4>It's this metaphor that unless I tell you the story

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<v Speaker 4>right now, you're not gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it's you know what's weird?

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<v Speaker 2>what's really strange is that you are throwing me back

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<v Speaker 2>to something I saw as a little kid, which was

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<v Speaker 2>a Disney uh movie, and I don't remember which one

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<v Speaker 2>it was, but the characters like Donald Duck and Mickey

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<v Speaker 2>Mouse are literally dealing with a bean that they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to slice into slices to share amongst each other, right, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm thinking about you're talking about you, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking to myself, that reminds me quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>about what it is, you know, I saw back then,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is metaphorically what we're dealing with right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you think about it, the high food.

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<v Speaker 2>Prices and all this stuff, where you know, quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's getting harder and hard or to sort of just survive.

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<v Speaker 2>And even the crab food that we used to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to buy cheap is no longer cheap. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>literally you wind up sitting there with friends or family

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<v Speaker 2>trying to cut up and divide amongst you something that

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<v Speaker 2>not too long ago would have been a side dish,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. It's like we've actually had

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<v Speaker 2>to adjust our expectations with our reality directly, and that

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<v Speaker 2>in and of itself is something that needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>memorialized at this time. And frankly, I'm not seeing artists

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<v Speaker 2>do that. You know, they're actually drawing into.

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<v Speaker 3>Their own egos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're drawing into their own egos and not even

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<v Speaker 2>recognizing the thing that's forming their particular viewpoint on this

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<v Speaker 2>point in history. So we're getting almost nothing being memorialized

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<v Speaker 2>by comedians. A lot of comedians just suck right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're they're terrible. I don't understand, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I saw this recent thing with what is his name,

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Pepperoni, you know, became a viral guy for a minute, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like terrible, He's doing a terrible Italian accent.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like this complete disaster as a comedian, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably one of the funniest things in existence right now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, I'm looking at some of these

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<v Speaker 2>comedians outside of some of the best of the best,

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<v Speaker 2>like like Dave Chappelle is still funny. He knows how

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<v Speaker 2>to tell a story. But mostly nobody is telling the

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<v Speaker 2>story of now, you know, not the news, not the artists.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's sort of like people are just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to survive through this and they're not generating the images.

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<v Speaker 2>They're letting AI do it. They're letting their phones record everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not creating a representation of what they're experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>in this particular time period. It's like this complete laziness

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<v Speaker 2>artistically out there. So what I'm saying to you is,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm impressed that you're even putting this thought process into

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<v Speaker 2>your work, because nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>Is at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like to me, it's sort of like they've

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned the work of actually generating a piece of art.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, it's across the board. I could talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the movies and how they suck because they're just

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<v Speaker 2>rebooting everything. I mean literally, they just put out another

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<v Speaker 2>series on John Wayne Gacy and you know, one of

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<v Speaker 2>them's a drama, one of them's a documentary. The same

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<v Speaker 2>network put it out, put the money on it, and

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<v Speaker 2>everything else, and they literally gave it the same title.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how lazy everything is.

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<v Speaker 2>And meanwhile, you know, Milania Trump gets forty million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>so that they can make a documentary about her, But

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<v Speaker 2>nobody is creating a piece of art to take a

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like, it's really weird out there for real

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<v Speaker 3>reason for that, God tell me about it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. Well, here's my thing. I think you have

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<v Speaker 4>two factors. You have the twenty four hour news cycle.

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<v Speaker 4>People are afraid to comment on what is happening right

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<v Speaker 4>now because they are afraid it will be a no

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<v Speaker 4>name story in a year. One two the ego death.

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<v Speaker 4>Your artists today are egocentric. They've never bothered to kill

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<v Speaker 4>their ego. They've never gone introspective, and they've never bothered

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<v Speaker 4>to explore the world around them. First, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>visit yourself. Then you can visit your community, then your state, then.

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<v Speaker 1>The world at large.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you don't do it in that order, you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to screw yourself out of any kind of true

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<v Speaker 4>relevance as a human being. You aren't an individual at

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<v Speaker 4>that point. I don't know that's that's too strong of

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<v Speaker 4>an idea, but that's how I feel, you know. And

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<v Speaker 4>as an artist like I try and like this has

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<v Speaker 4>taken three years because I'd put out a song and

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<v Speaker 4>then i'd sit on it and i'd smell it, and

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<v Speaker 4>i'd listen to it, and i'd explored it, and as

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<v Speaker 4>I hit that point where I went yay or nay,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, sometimes a few months later it didn't feel

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<v Speaker 4>right anymore. And for the first time in recording anything,

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<v Speaker 4>I burned tracks. I've never done that. Everything's always gone

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<v Speaker 4>on an album. I create it and it goes on

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<v Speaker 4>the album.

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<v Speaker 1>This time, about half of what I created disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>See, and you ought to just create it as bonus

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<v Speaker 2>content for a later project, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>put it aside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's out there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And because I'll be honest with you, is after people,

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<v Speaker 2>if they get into what it is you're doing now

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<v Speaker 2>and you get back to the podcast, you'll still need

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<v Speaker 2>more content, you know what I mean, Like it is

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<v Speaker 2>endless as to how much content you can dump into

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<v Speaker 2>these things anymore. And I figured that out because, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I did over two thousand podcasts and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody cares, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I got this huge library. Nobody cares, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you do this week? You know, like they're

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<v Speaker 2>really not there's no preservation, there's no Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's almost like we have really accelerated into the

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<v Speaker 2>disposable nature of all things, where nothing is retainable for

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<v Speaker 2>very long at all, you know. And you mentioned the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hour news cycle. That's part of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>realistically that's more about that's what the audience is demanding.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's because of this shift among the audience. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't blame the even the corporate media for doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're only going to deliver what they can profit from.

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<v Speaker 2>They're only going to deliver what that waiting audience wants.

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<v Speaker 2>And I blame the audience. Now at this point, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why the rappers are lazy is because the

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<v Speaker 2>audience accepts it. The reason why the comedy sucks is

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<v Speaker 2>because they're still buying tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the reason why you know, Rogan continues to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, still remain in the top five of the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast is because laziness is okay with the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they want to watch you flounder. They want

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<v Speaker 3>to watch the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're running up a really good point right now, go.

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<v Speaker 2>Ahead, Yeah, I mean this is the conversation we're having.

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<v Speaker 3>I love this, Please go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, when it comes to guys like Joe Rogan, right now,

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<v Speaker 4>we've watched him get lazier and lazier with his presentation.

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<v Speaker 4>At one point he talked to the most important and

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<v Speaker 4>influential movers, shakers and people with original ideas, and now

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<v Speaker 4>he speaks to his two hundred and fifty comedy assassins lazily.

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<v Speaker 4>I might add, it's kind of sad to watch podcasting

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<v Speaker 4>in general go from the idea of.

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<v Speaker 1>People in their basements doing this because they genuinely loved

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<v Speaker 1>journalism and getting to the bottom of the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>our reality, the nature of now here, the police that

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<v Speaker 1>we live in, and trying to figure that out and

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<v Speaker 1>turn it into an industry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny that's making money or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>No, listen, there's nothing wrong with that. But it is

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<v Speaker 2>a strange space we're in where Don Lemon leaves the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the corporate media world all right, where he

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<v Speaker 2>had a you know, a look a decidedly you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cookie cutter sort of job. Every single day he did

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing and he was getting paid well for it.

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<v Speaker 2>He leaves that industry and then becomes an industry onto himself.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you or I can't step into that world

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<v Speaker 2>and do that, right, We can't you know, create the

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<v Speaker 2>Lemonheads and you know, become Lemon World or whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk, right, he's still a thing onto himself. And

426
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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not even about the left wing, because

427
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<v Speaker 2>Tucker Carlson did the same damn thing right where he

428
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<v Speaker 2>just and not only did he become an entity onto

429
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<v Speaker 2>himself and an industry onto himself, he turned around and

430
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<v Speaker 2>also was like, oh, also, I'm going to snatch up

431
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<v Speaker 2>some of that credibility from all you people that have

432
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<v Speaker 2>been outside of the mainstream. And he became like a

433
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<v Speaker 2>hero to these people who were standing by truly independent

434
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<v Speaker 2>stuff for years and years they suddenly were like, oh no,

435
00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Tucker's okay, you know, and it's like wow, like how

436
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<v Speaker 2>did we get here? You know where you know, Elon

437
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<v Speaker 2>Musk's Elon Musk buys Twitter and now it's an all

438
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<v Speaker 2>in one platform. Alex Jones has two channels on there.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Right constantly, I'm getting Alex Jones pushed at me.

440
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<v Speaker 3>On my algorithm. I don't know about everybody else, but

441
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like that's it.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Now you can exist on Twitter as an entity, and

443
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<v Speaker 2>that in and of itself, if you have the proper

444
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<v Speaker 2>blessing from the from the technocracy, you aughtundically have an

445
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<v Speaker 2>industry onto yourself.

446
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<v Speaker 3>So I mean that is a whole.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Different world from what I stepped into, you know in

448
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<v Speaker 2>the early twenty t you know, before the twenty teens really,

449
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<v Speaker 2>but like as the twenty teen started, right, uh, that's

450
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<v Speaker 2>a whole other world from where we were at there.

451
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<v Speaker 2>You know, back then, we were still the laughable part

452
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<v Speaker 2>of the media, podcasting and stuff, you know, online broadcasting.

453
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<v Speaker 3>What is this? Oh, that's what people.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Do when they're you know, when they live at home

455
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<v Speaker 2>in their basement with their mom, you know. And it's like,

456
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<v Speaker 2>well I don't but okay, fine, you know, like we

457
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<v Speaker 2>were the laughable ones, and now those people that used

458
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<v Speaker 2>to laugh at us are doing it and are doing it,

459
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<v Speaker 2>you know, to the tunes of millions of dollars.

460
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was shocked.

461
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<v Speaker 2>When you know, that Russian money scandal happened and it

462
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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, gee, you realize you're being paid by

463
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<v Speaker 2>the Russian government, and it's like I didn't notice, well, yeah,

464
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<v Speaker 2>but they gave you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

465
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<v Speaker 2>to do a podcast.

466
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll give it back. I didn't really notice what.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Kind of a you know, a money generating operation you

468
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<v Speaker 2>have where one hundred and fifty thousand dollars isn't even

469
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<v Speaker 2>a blip in your own head, in your you know,

470
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<v Speaker 2>supposedly independent organization. I mean again, I'm not calling out

471
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<v Speaker 2>names here. I'm just trying to say we are definitely,

472
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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're definitely no longer in Kansas, Toto, because

473
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<v Speaker 2>this is not this is not what the world that

474
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<v Speaker 2>I entered into, you know, and it's strange. It's very

475
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<v Speaker 2>very strange. And you notice most of the you know,

476
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<v Speaker 2>survivors from that period that we're doing it are no

477
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<v Speaker 2>longer here. You know what I mean, they're gone one

478
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<v Speaker 2>way or another. Uh, But you have Kansas Owens, you

479
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<v Speaker 2>have the Charlie Kirk thing, which you know, I don't

480
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<v Speaker 2>know if you want to say anything about that or not,

481
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 2>but I mean to me, it was sort of like, yeah, okay,

482
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<v Speaker 2>he's one of the right wing influencers. There are left

483
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<v Speaker 2>wing influencers. They all have a similar sort of mo

484
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<v Speaker 2>except that you know, Charlie Kirk was sitting there and

485
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.759
<v Speaker 2>a text came out recently, it was a leaked thing,

486
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:13.440
<v Speaker 2>and Candice Owens put it out where he's like, well,

487
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:16.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, since I lost a two million dollar backer,

488
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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll change my opinion on Israel on my podcast.

489
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<v Speaker 2>And it's like nobody stops to even say, wait a minute.

490
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<v Speaker 2>What you're telling me is there's a pay for play

491
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 2>situation in podcasting where you know, oh, well, among my backers,

492
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<v Speaker 2>I lost a two million dollar backer.

493
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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

494
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I didn't realize that guy was even that important.

495
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I knew he was a Trump guy and he was,

496
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, part of the new young people whatever, but

497
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even realize Charlie Kirk was that important until

498
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<v Speaker 2>he was dead, you know, and then that hyper reality

499
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 2>happened and it was almost like a WWE event.

500
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<v Speaker 4>Good yeah, oh sorry, yeah, No. Unfortunately he was playing

501
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 4>hard and loose for a long time.

502
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>And that's most of these guys.

503
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<v Speaker 4>I don't think a lot of them have much integrity.

504
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<v Speaker 4>Not saying that, like from what I've seen of him,

505
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:19.519
<v Speaker 4>he had all the right talking points, but we've seen

506
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<v Speaker 4>what happened on the back end.

507
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:21.839
<v Speaker 1>Right, And.

508
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 4>The whole Israel thing is very interesting. It's very interesting

509
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:29.319
<v Speaker 4>what you can and cannot say.

510
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<v Speaker 1>That's all out. You really want to comment on.

511
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<v Speaker 4>Kandace and Tucker joining for courses, turning point, basically turning their.

512
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<v Speaker 1>Backs on Tucker Candace. It's very interesting. The whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I always.

514
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<v Speaker 4>Say, Chuck, and I've said it before on your show,

515
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 4>is follow the money.

516
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<v Speaker 5>Right.

517
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you what we're going to do now

518
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<v Speaker 2>is we're going to take a little break from talking

519
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>because we've gone in a lot of wild directions here,

520
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<v Speaker 2>and I want to take a listen actually to the

521
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 2>title track if you don't mind, and we'll all.

522
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<v Speaker 3>Listen to it together.

523
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<v Speaker 2>I'll leave the microphones open so everybody can hear this

524
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and you and I can listen together for a little bit.

525
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<v Speaker 2>Should I start at the beginning of the track venus

526
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<v Speaker 2>or you want me to skip? Or or should I

527
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:24.160
<v Speaker 2>just roll it?

528
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:28.200
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

529
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, just roll it, go for it?

530
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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's do that and take a listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the title track.

532
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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how significant the title track is, but

534
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<v Speaker 2>is there anything you want to tell us about it?

535
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Before we just turn it on?

536
00:28:47.839 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 7>I can just hit play, okay.

537
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<v Speaker 6>Possibly the ashes the feeds the bloss on the ashes,

538
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<v Speaker 6>with bloss from the ashes, from the ashes, its supplass

539
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<v Speaker 6>from the ashes, stain, its supplies from the ashes, surpass

540
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.839
<v Speaker 6>the ash for the ashes for the ashes.

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<v Speaker 8>He has arisen, He has a risen. He is a

542
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:17.559
<v Speaker 8>resonant coming after you passed us. They tried to mask us. Yeah,

543
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.039
<v Speaker 8>they tried to see the last of us. See, they

544
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 8>thought they'd see the last of us. When we're back

545
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<v Speaker 8>demanding justice with a French pist from the dominant risk

546
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:29.920
<v Speaker 8>all my freedom, love.

547
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 1>And fellow man can get with this?

548
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Who can spit at eloquent as slog of a list which.

549
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<v Speaker 8>Is nineteen eighty four And like Roden might have said,

550
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<v Speaker 8>you know I'm on the list.

551
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<v Speaker 3>You know I'm on the list.

552
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>We ain't falling for this CGC grift.

553
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:45.319
<v Speaker 3>We ain't falling for.

554
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>This carbon scam. Drift understand the reader. People are pissed

555
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 1>January sixth was not in that selection.

556
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<v Speaker 3>Why can't people have a legitimate concern.

557
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<v Speaker 1>About the course of an election.

558
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Why can't we have a use of agreement with.

559
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<v Speaker 1>A government that acts like a cancer or an infection.

560
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Y'all need to look at governance, take close abstraction. But

561
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>y'all just trying to blop. Not ready to miss.

562
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Now.

563
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna pausess for a sec because I'm listening to

564
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.759
<v Speaker 2>it and it's it's it's wild, man, because I didn't

565
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:32.799
<v Speaker 2>expect to hear the politics, and we got some politics

566
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.039
<v Speaker 2>in here, but I don't think they're there for the

567
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>sake of the politics. I think you're talking about the

568
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>psychology here of what it is we're witnessing, and back

569
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 2>to what we were talking about regarding the communication, at

570
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>least that's what I'm hearing. And also the music itself.

571
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 2>The fact that it's kind of disconnected makes perfect sense

572
00:31:55.279 --> 00:32:03.720
<v Speaker 2>to me because it clearly demonstrates the background noise that

573
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>we're all dealing with, you know, whether it's the electronic

574
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>hum like I noticed when the lights went out in

575
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 2>my city for a little bit, and it was a widespread,

576
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 2>sort of just power outage, and I think a lot

577
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.759
<v Speaker 2>of people were sort of shocked by the fact that

578
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>there was such thing as silence all of a sudden,

579
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And I feel like the

580
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.799
<v Speaker 2>whole world is like that, where there's a constant noise,

581
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a constant static, and you're representing it here with

582
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the way that the beat and even the key that

583
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure which instrument that is, but it's like

584
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.279
<v Speaker 2>an electronic instrument version of something else that should be

585
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 2>a memory. It almost feels like a memory of an instrument,

586
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of echoing through this.

587
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 3>While you're speaking.

588
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>And so I find this, Yeah good.

589
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:59.039
<v Speaker 1>It's a synthesizer. It's a very old synthesizer. It's called

590
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>a mood boog.

591
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.359
<v Speaker 4>But what I did was I used an electronic emulator

592
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 4>to recreate it, because it would have cost me thousands

593
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 4>and thousands of dollars to actually buy one, right.

594
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 2>But like I said, it sounds like a digital capture

595
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>of an old memory, so perfect, that's exactly what it is.

596
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>But let me play, let me play some more of

597
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.279
<v Speaker 2>the track. But I just wanted to give that impression

598
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>real quick, because it also reminds me of that that

599
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.240
<v Speaker 2>track you gave me a while ago, Redneck Cherokee, which

600
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>I do play little snippets of, you know, during my

601
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>breaks and stuff as a transition, and uh, it's it

602
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.119
<v Speaker 2>reminds me of that, by the way. But anyway, let's

603
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.240
<v Speaker 2>let's go back to this one. It's still playing the

604
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.279
<v Speaker 2>track Venus from Erroneous Method And like I said, I

605
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to pause it per commentary, and this way

606
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 2>nobody can just cut it out and use it as

607
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>a song. Like you know, go buy the song. I'll

608
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.279
<v Speaker 2>give you the link afterwards if you want it. Uh,

609
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it's just interesting to me. Anyways, Let's

610
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>see what else we got on here?

611
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 1>So fast from the.

612
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<v Speaker 6>Ashes, the phoenix, so vast from the ysh.

613
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 4>The feedings, so vas from the ashes, from.

614
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:21.840
<v Speaker 6>The ashes, from the ash, taking off the glasses.

615
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 1>We've all been graywashed by the glasses. They lived because

616
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>you brought into the ads.

617
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.679
<v Speaker 4>Kids don't need to add live the workplace still mad

618
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.320
<v Speaker 4>this calling me conservative, That's when I really start scaring them.

619
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 4>When I blast off into the stratus means saying I'm

620
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 4>a libertarian.

621
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 1>I got thoughts and beliefs, but I'm too old to

622
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.440
<v Speaker 1>be married to that. In the end, we all grow

623
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:47.079
<v Speaker 1>and change.

624
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 8>Hopefully we ascend instead of descend like the Jews did.

625
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.480
<v Speaker 4>From shem downtown, Canada, digg was getting bad.

626
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I just passed the crackhead hit in a stem.

627
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 8>The town board likes to pretend says every things all right,

628
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.440
<v Speaker 8>They just have some bandages they need to give men.

629
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 3>But it's more like.

630
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>A gaping wound that will close again.

631
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<v Speaker 3>See.

632
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it's appropriate that it fades out like that too,

633
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, like that's exactly what it should do. But

634
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 2>it's really sort of a disconnected piece, like you know, uh,

635
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's not meant to be hard driven to

636
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>the current, you know what I mean. It's it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like a memory of a song as opposed to a song,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, you know, probably probably the strangest description you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get from somebody first impression on it, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's that's the thing though.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, you know me, I'll just blurt it out and

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<v Speaker 2>give you the you know, the most honest thought that

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it is different, though, man, I did not

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<v Speaker 2>expect that from you, just saying, even though it does

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<v Speaker 2>remind me of that redneck Cherokee thing, and I might

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<v Speaker 2>play that before we're done tonight. But anyway, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is there a reason why this is the title track.

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<v Speaker 4>I started the project again three years ago and we

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<v Speaker 4>were still in a bided.

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<v Speaker 9>Administration and things were very confusing still, and I do

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<v Speaker 9>want to loose up in arms, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>at each other's throats.

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<v Speaker 4>The way I've never seen politics in America. I could

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<v Speaker 4>not even express to.

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<v Speaker 1>People my own.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, hey, guys, I don't believe in your red

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<v Speaker 4>or your blues.

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<v Speaker 3>That is.

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<v Speaker 4>My own ideas, and people don't like that when you

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<v Speaker 4>don't play a team, you know. I was beginning to

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<v Speaker 4>understand the very professional sports nature of politics, and having

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<v Speaker 4>gone through my own political podcast for so many years,

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<v Speaker 4>I grew very disconnected with the kind of interviews I

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<v Speaker 4>was getting, even out of the people that I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of admired.

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<v Speaker 1>So the title track, it starts off the album.

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<v Speaker 4>It's supposed to start off the album in this kind

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<v Speaker 4>of getting you in the idea of questioning, and then

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to slide into some very personal stuff throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of the album, and it just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>slacks downhill in tone and pacing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right, it starts slow, it hits quick, and

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<v Speaker 1>then moves very slow for the rest of the album.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So here's what we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a quick break here and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to try and straighten out a little technical issue. But

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<v Speaker 2>during the break, we're gonna also play Redneck Cherokee and

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<v Speaker 2>you know which is another track by Erroneous Method. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I don't usually play the whole track, but I might

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<v Speaker 2>let the whole track run during the break, or at

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<v Speaker 2>least a good portion of it during the break.

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<v Speaker 3>But so you guys will hear that as well on

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<v Speaker 3>here if you stay tuned during the break.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna try and improve our our quality sound

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<v Speaker 2>wise just while I'm doing that, So stick around, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>Chilli Effect with the Erroneous Method will return for another

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<v Speaker 2>maybe twenty minutes here on this particular Monday night. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course, if you're hearing the podcast, who the hell

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<v Speaker 2>knows what day it is, and anyway, on any given day,

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<v Speaker 2>who the hell knows what day it is. Stick around,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back.

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<v Speaker 11>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 11>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 11>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, what do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 9>But okay, Oswald was on the building and trying to

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<v Speaker 9>prevent the murder of John Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you ready, get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, second segment of the Ocelli Effect Here on

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<v Speaker 2>a Monday and erroneous method is with me. We've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit deep on uh some of his stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Played the title track from his latest album, Venus.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh three year long well.

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<v Speaker 2>Labor in order to produce something that he actually produced

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't just you know, spit into an AI generator

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<v Speaker 2>and say, okay, manufacture a clone of something that would

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<v Speaker 2>be music for me, you know, unlike a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other people that are doing that nowadays.

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<v Speaker 3>It is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And say, before we forget, tell everybody where they can

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<v Speaker 2>get the new album, how they can reach out to

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<v Speaker 2>you all that good stuff, if you don't mind, because

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't even get to any of that in the

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<v Speaker 2>whole first half of the show here.

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<v Speaker 3>Tom, Sorry, you might have to unmute.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you can purchase the new album everywhere music.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got you go ahead, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 4>You can purchase the new album anywhere. I mean that

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<v Speaker 4>they sum ten thirty one. I prefer if you go

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<v Speaker 4>to Spotify and give give me a follow, because I

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<v Speaker 4>think they're doing some funky things over at Spotify, and

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of want to experiment with how many people

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<v Speaker 4>I can get to go funnel to that particular site

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<v Speaker 4>for this album drop. However, you can't buy it on Apple,

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<v Speaker 4>I Tunes, Dun's dzer Pandora Radio anywhere needs to sold.

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<v Speaker 4>One word at Instagram or on x I'm very responsive

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<v Speaker 4>to people. I love to have conversations, So if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to talk about politics or anything like this, hit

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<v Speaker 4>me up.

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<v Speaker 3>Excellent. So you sent me some other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I want to dig into it anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>to play anymore right now, but this is fast because

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<v Speaker 2>it's very personal. But at the same time, you have

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<v Speaker 2>the running concept. How many how many more pieces before

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<v Speaker 2>your your you know, your your entire saga here is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be complete? How many more albums does Erroneous

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<v Speaker 2>Method have coming for this saga?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, for this particular series, I'm going to full albums

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<v Speaker 4>and possibly more because I started a thing with the

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<v Speaker 4>second album called Orion, so that expands into kind of

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<v Speaker 4>these consolation.

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<v Speaker 1>Albums, which are like offshoots from.

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<v Speaker 4>The Planetary Body set, and each one of those explores

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<v Speaker 4>a different specific BPM and a different instrument that I

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<v Speaker 4>layer throughout the entire album, like for instance, Orion was

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<v Speaker 4>nylon strings and it was set to ninety bpms, so

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<v Speaker 4>each one is very specific and kind of nerdy.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to geek out too much, but so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, there's should nine elbums in this first set,

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<v Speaker 4>but we'll see how it goes to where it goes

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<v Speaker 4>from there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't ever plan to stop making music, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see where it goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm not saying it'll be the end, but it

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<v Speaker 2>could be the end of this project if you complete it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then who knows what the next project might be.

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<v Speaker 3>You know again, though, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, some things start out like like Star Wars. You mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what did Lucas do? He was pissed he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't remake Flash Gordon, so so he created Star Wars

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<v Speaker 2>And the next thing, you know is there's a universe, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and a totally different story was made out of Star Trek. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one of those weirdos that does appreciate both, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm more of a Star Trek guy because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just even weirder to me that there's this whole

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<v Speaker 2>imagined future and interconnected reality that's been going on now

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<v Speaker 2>for you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Over over a half a century.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you know, so I appreciate that even though I

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<v Speaker 2>time I saw it was on a drive in movie screen,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, this thing that was the size of

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<v Speaker 2>a house was the size of you know, what was

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<v Speaker 2>being projected there. So when that first you know, Superstar

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<v Speaker 2>Destroyer rolled across the screen, uh, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn thing was bigger than a bus. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, which size does matter, I gotta tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the sound might have sucked because we

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<v Speaker 2>had those metal speakers and all that, but but it

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<v Speaker 2>was something man to watch that universe happen, and even

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<v Speaker 2>like Star Trek kind of you know, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it happened before I was born, the first series, but

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<v Speaker 2>then the movie became something and a new series happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and ever after the writers have interconnected this whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>so that there is a universe onto itself, an alternate

853
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.559
<v Speaker 2>reality that is the Star Trek reality, you know, in

854
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 2>our future, allegedly, even though they've had to adjust stuff,

855
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the Eugenics Wars. But stay tuned, we

856
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:25.559
<v Speaker 2>might get there, just on a different part of the timeline,

857
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, sci fi and the creation of art and

858
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:33.079
<v Speaker 2>things like this. It's all very interesting to me because

859
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 2>it's simultaneously reflective and predictive. And I'm telling you, not

860
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>just the gene Roddenberrys of the world, but people like

861
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:47.679
<v Speaker 2>you will turn around and find that they came up

862
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.679
<v Speaker 2>with a little bit of not predictive programming necessarily. But

863
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:56.119
<v Speaker 2>we're all making predictions. You know, everybody's trying to anticipate

864
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the future one way or another, whether it's trying to

865
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.119
<v Speaker 2>figure out what you're gonna do with the rest to

866
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:03.719
<v Speaker 2>your week, or you're trying to create, you know, a

867
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.719
<v Speaker 2>piece of art that's going to interlock eventually into this

868
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.320
<v Speaker 2>one massive mosaic.

869
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:09.840
<v Speaker 3>One way or another.

870
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're all playing that game where there's a

871
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 2>bit of you know, prognostication and reflection and introspection built

872
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 2>into all of these things that we create. So I

873
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed watching the process with you and definitely want

874
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 2>to advise people, you know, look follow them on x

875
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a big Instagram guy, but a lot of

876
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.440
<v Speaker 2>people love that, and I would say, you know, check

877
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>it out because it is something different and it's actually genuine,

878
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.599
<v Speaker 2>which is apart from, like I said, a lot of

879
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 2>the other music I'm seeing created even by people that

880
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:50.360
<v Speaker 2>are in like the podcast spheres if you will, you know,

881
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 2>the different clicks, which bothered me about a week ago.

882
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:56.360
<v Speaker 2>I said something about it on X but very few

883
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 2>people understood what I was saying. But they are like

884
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:03.639
<v Speaker 2>clicks or clique if you will, among certain groups of artists,

885
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and even they seem to act together. And I don't know,

886
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I just see a lot of stagnation. And I see

887
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stagnation because some people thought they were

888
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.800
<v Speaker 2>fighting for something and they've won and they don't know

889
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.199
<v Speaker 2>how to win. That's one thing. And then on the

890
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.840
<v Speaker 2>other hand, you know, a whole lot of stuff just

891
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>gets thrown to the wayside and forgotten about. As per usual.

892
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Almost everything in our society is disposable. And I hate

893
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:34.639
<v Speaker 2>to think that we're going to have nothing worth saving

894
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 2>from this digital age if this keeps up, because nobody is,

895
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, doing anything except let's see what the AI

896
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:46.360
<v Speaker 2>can do, you know. And there's whole podcasts and YouTube

897
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.360
<v Speaker 2>channels that are you know, AI voiced, AI scripted, you know,

898
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.159
<v Speaker 2>and they're coming up with the wrong clips in some cases,

899
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:55.760
<v Speaker 2>like I was cracking up, there were a bunch of

900
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.800
<v Speaker 2>movie things that went by just you know, my algorithm.

901
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I did to play them, and they were playing they

902
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.719
<v Speaker 2>were trying to tell us about, you know, futuristic movies

903
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.760
<v Speaker 2>in the sixties and how today you know, at the

904
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:10.639
<v Speaker 2>time they were thought of to be too far out

905
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:13.920
<v Speaker 2>of a concept, but today, with you know, the idea

906
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>of transhumanism and people combining with computers and stuff like that,

907
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these movies seem like warnings from sixty

908
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:26.760
<v Speaker 2>years ago instead of, you know, something.

909
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:27.679
<v Speaker 3>That was too far fetched.

910
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing is it's definitely an AI driven

911
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:35.559
<v Speaker 2>video because they were accidentally playing the movie time Machine

912
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>or Time after Time sorry from the seventies instead of

913
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:44.239
<v Speaker 2>playing the damn things that they're talking about, because the

914
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.519
<v Speaker 2>AI didn't separate the time machine thing with HG. Wells

915
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.320
<v Speaker 2>from the other time machine thing with HG. Wells, which

916
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:54.679
<v Speaker 2>cracked me up because again it points to how, you know,

917
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 2>the old ideas keep getting revisited. There's very little originality,

918
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.159
<v Speaker 2>and even the AI is screwing it up. You know,

919
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:05.840
<v Speaker 2>it's supposed to be smarter than you and everything else.

920
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.320
<v Speaker 2>But I'm looking at it going I know that movie.

921
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I watched it when it was brand new, and that

922
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.679
<v Speaker 2>version of H. G. Wells was trying to chase Jack

923
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the Ripper in the seventies. This is not from the sixties.

924
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.159
<v Speaker 3>What are you doing? You know?

925
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.199
<v Speaker 2>So I just crack up at the mistakes and the

926
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:27.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of glitches in the current reality that we're dealing

927
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:31.679
<v Speaker 2>with as well. So I appreciate the fact that somebody

928
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>is actually creating something that's organic and genuine to themselves.

929
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I appreciate erroneous method. And I hope

930
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 2>that you guys will go and make those purchases. Now,

931
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.119
<v Speaker 2>go to Spotify and you know, give it a stream

932
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:47.280
<v Speaker 2>over there because he wants to see how that counts

933
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.559
<v Speaker 2>and everything. Definitely do that, and I'm gonna put all

934
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the links I can in the show notes here to

935
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>direct you to his work.

936
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 3>I think we should keep watching it.

937
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.519
<v Speaker 2>And I've enjoyed it obviously, because I wouldn't keep playing

938
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.400
<v Speaker 2>his song, you know, during my breaks if I didn't

939
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 2>think there was something interesting there. And it's not just

940
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.079
<v Speaker 2>because he mentioned me in a song a while ago either.

941
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 2>It's because there is something to be said for somebody

942
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:19.199
<v Speaker 2>who keeps creating something that is from them. Eventually, you

943
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:22.079
<v Speaker 2>know what, if people create enough stuff, they might create

944
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.760
<v Speaker 2>something new that somebody else is going to have to

945
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 2>copy twenty years from now, as opposed to just making

946
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the again the copy of the copy of the copy

947
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.840
<v Speaker 2>of the copy. I mean, it reminds me of that

948
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:36.760
<v Speaker 2>movie Multiplicity, you know what I mean.

949
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:37.639
<v Speaker 3>Years ago?

950
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.400
<v Speaker 2>What's his name, dear god, Michael Keaton was in that movie,

951
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:46.320
<v Speaker 2>and he makes a clone of himself through this special

952
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.039
<v Speaker 2>method so that he can, like, you know, do more

953
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.320
<v Speaker 2>work and do more things. And then the clones decide

954
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.119
<v Speaker 2>to make a clone, and after a little while, they

955
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:56.840
<v Speaker 2>make a really bad copy.

956
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:58.599
<v Speaker 3>And the guy's slow, so he.

957
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Looks just like him, but he's such a crap copy

958
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:04.039
<v Speaker 2>that he just doesn't have the skills of the other guys,

959
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:08.760
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I feel like that's like where we're at.

960
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, am I dealing with a whole bunch of

961
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 2>clones and nobody told me? I mean really, nobody speaks

962
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 2>the language, nobody communicates correctly, and nobody's got an original

963
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.039
<v Speaker 2>thought anymore. I know, now I sound like the old

964
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.280
<v Speaker 2>man and I'm about to start screaming about getting getting

965
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.280
<v Speaker 2>the hell off my grass. But I mean, seriously, this

966
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:30.960
<v Speaker 2>is where we're at. And I appreciate that you're you know,

967
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.880
<v Speaker 2>bucking the trend man. So I want to thank you

968
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:37.280
<v Speaker 2>for that. But anything you want to say in closing here,

969
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 2>or you know, the last little idea you'd like to

970
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.360
<v Speaker 2>leave us with, I'd be more than happy to hear it.

971
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Not hearing you now in case you're talking to your

972
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 2>mute button.

973
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:06.679
<v Speaker 4>Having that kind of rhythm and flow to my work

974
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:12.239
<v Speaker 4>is important, right, And nobody does create original ideas anymore,

975
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.400
<v Speaker 4>So I'd like to courage you guys out there if

976
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:18.079
<v Speaker 4>you're living.

977
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:23.079
<v Speaker 1>Same like what I'm able to make something up this week.

978
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:26.000
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't have any uesday, take me any form of expression,

979
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:30.280
<v Speaker 4>any form of art, because uh, this as it's it's

980
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 4>just that it's a slide. It's not going to take

981
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 4>up the world. So you guys, we'll going something special

982
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.920
<v Speaker 4>for yourself. But I'm appreciating on thank you very muchell.

983
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:41.559
<v Speaker 3>Right, and I appreciate that.

984
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh And and like I say, I, I I do

985
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:47.400
<v Speaker 2>feel like that's that's exactly the thing we should encourage,

986
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>is you know, create something because at this point I'll

987
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.519
<v Speaker 2>tell you what the bar is low enough that you know,

988
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 2>some people feel like, hey, look, you know what what

989
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I create? I don't have this much or that or whatever.

990
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing, though, if you you have your own idea,

991
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.639
<v Speaker 2>you're way ahead of the game already. I promise you

992
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:07.599
<v Speaker 2>that much, because you know, whether it's graphic work or

993
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>it's sound stuff, it's driving me nuts. There is so

994
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 2>much of the just sludge out there, and it always

995
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.079
<v Speaker 2>leaves a bad aftertaste. It's it's clearly not something that's

996
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:24.519
<v Speaker 2>been created by a creative person. And so that's something

997
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:28.880
<v Speaker 2>that almost anybody can do. Given the right motivation. You

998
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:32.800
<v Speaker 2>can find an outlet for creativity. And I say go

999
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.719
<v Speaker 2>for it, even if you just share it with your

1000
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:38.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, your friends and the people at work or whatever.

1001
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, hell, send it to me. Have you got

1002
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 2>something you can send to me that we can play

1003
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:44.760
<v Speaker 2>on the show or talk about. I mean, let's do it.

1004
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Let's interact and let's get back to being legitimate.

1005
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:49.360
<v Speaker 3>That would be nice.

1006
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 2>And I appreciate it and appreciate your sentiments and your work.

1007
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 2>So there you go, guys, Erroneous method on a Monday

1008
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.519
<v Speaker 2>on the Ocelli Effect, And we got all of stuff

1009
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.559
<v Speaker 2>coming up this week, so hopefully you know you guys

1010
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:07.039
<v Speaker 2>stick around. We should have a special on Friday about

1011
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the Lancer conference because I'm gonna be the MC there

1012
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>as per usual, but don't worry, I will plug the

1013
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:13.320
<v Speaker 2>conference plenty.

1014
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:13.880
<v Speaker 3>This week.

1015
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Larry Hancock will join us and a couple other guests,

1016
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:21.679
<v Speaker 2>perhaps along with a new pre recorded feature and the

1017
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.840
<v Speaker 2>usual Friday night call in show. So it should be

1018
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a busy week on the stream. And if Aaron Franz

1019
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.280
<v Speaker 2>can make it this week, then we'll have two more

1020
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.639
<v Speaker 2>podcasts that will produce on Friday nights, so you should

1021
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 2>have plenty of original material not created by an ai

1022
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Autochelly dot com radio this week. So again, thanks to

1023
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.320
<v Speaker 2>a Roneus method, and thanks to you guys for listening,

1024
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm ocelly, you are indeed the effect.

1025
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<v Speaker 3>Good night

1026
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:19.119
<v Speaker 6>Steam