Speaker 1: Get ready for.
Speaker 2: October twenty seven, twenty twenty five, allegedly, according to that
Speaker 2: thing we call a calendar, this the o'celli effect.
Speaker 3: You know that already because you found the show.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we are live here on a Monday or a Moonday,
Speaker 2: but not usually. Now I push this particular discussion to
Speaker 2: Monday because I got a lot of stuff going on
Speaker 2: this week and I wanted to fit in a friend
Speaker 2: who I just saw is releasing new music, so I
Speaker 2: thought it would be a good time to get him
Speaker 2: into the mix. And he'll definitely be different from the
Speaker 2: rest of the material this week. And it's a good
Speaker 2: thing because I don't want to talk about news every
Speaker 2: single day. I don't want to talk about you know,
Speaker 2: when I'm not talking news, I'm talking historical assassinations. So
Speaker 2: you know, how about we talk about something that's creative
Speaker 2: and interesting as opposed to history we need to revisit
Speaker 2: and the current times, which I wish we weren't living in,
Speaker 2: you know. So there we go anyway, doing this on
Speaker 2: a Monday, And yeah, we went to stream late, but
Speaker 2: that's because technology just wanted to revolt against me a
Speaker 2: little bit today and teams is a pain in the ass.
Speaker 2: So here we are anyway, erroneous method. Now, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you the links in the show notes for his
Speaker 2: social media and also where you can go to get
Speaker 2: the new material, which has an interesting cover and interesting
Speaker 2: title as well. And maybe I'll ask about the meaning
Speaker 2: of that, because I see Venus and I start to
Speaker 2: think about the esoteric aspects and the ethereal battle that
Speaker 2: is indeed waging in front of us at all times,
Speaker 2: you know, even though we are the flesh made or
Speaker 2: dirt made, monkeys or whatever, enlightened by God, depending on
Speaker 2: who you talk to, et cetera, et cetera. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: interesting to explore the esoteric. But then again, I might
Speaker 2: be overthinking this as per usual.
Speaker 3: So let's hear from the man himself, Ironi's method. Man.
Speaker 3: How you doing?
Speaker 2: Are you doing the podcast anymore? I mean, first of all,
Speaker 2: how you doing tonight? But what's been up with you
Speaker 2: since the last time we talked?
Speaker 1: Well, it's great to be here. As always, I love
Speaker 1: chatting with you.
Speaker 4: We always get into some in depth stuff and that's great.
Speaker 1: I see that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the podcast is kind of on hiatus. It's
Speaker 4: one of those technocracy things, right, They did this whole
Speaker 4: podcast the dead End thing over at Spotify again, where
Speaker 4: they knuked a bunch of people's accounts and made it
Speaker 4: real hard to get back into them because of two
Speaker 4: and three factor authentication.
Speaker 1: So I'm currently battling.
Speaker 4: With Spotify to get my account back and get Shut
Speaker 4: Up Jeweled back on the air. And when we do
Speaker 4: come back, I'm gonna have a large list of guests
Speaker 4: that have been lining.
Speaker 1: Up to come on the show. So I'm excited to, like,
Speaker 1: hopefully one day, get back into that.
Speaker 4: The other thing is, you know, this new album I've
Speaker 4: been working on has taken three years because I've made
Speaker 4: every piece of this from scratch myself. I even recorded
Speaker 4: the whole thing myself. I didn't have an attack or anything.
Speaker 4: I was literally hitting the record button myself. So it's
Speaker 4: a different kind of piece of work, and you are
Speaker 4: right to call out the set nature of it, and
Speaker 4: we can get into that a little bit as we go.
Speaker 4: All my albums have kind of a planetary body theme,
Speaker 4: so you know, it kind of sends a certain message
Speaker 4: for each each one.
Speaker 1: But we've talked about that a little more excellent.
Speaker 3: So what you're telling me is, do you.
Speaker 1: Have any specific questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: What you're telling me so far is that you did
Speaker 2: this without the benefit of a whole lot of AI slop,
Speaker 2: Because I mean, people are pumping out music now, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to call out any names, but people
Speaker 2: that I thought were, you know, working in the organic
Speaker 2: world and we're old school musicians at a certain point,
Speaker 2: some of them have turned to the AI now and
Speaker 2: have gone all in where it's like, hey, you know what.
Speaker 2: I was kind of nervous about this, but hey, it's
Speaker 2: kind of fun and I get it because I've even.
Speaker 3: Played with it a little lately and created a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of music, you know, just because I don't have a
Speaker 2: full band, I mean, and I'm just a bass player
Speaker 2: slash vocalist, so what am I supposed to do. I
Speaker 2: don't have drums even anymore.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: So I generated a few things with AI, but then
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, let's get back to literally
Speaker 2: doing the work ourselves at least and put together a
Speaker 2: few pieces. I'm still working on them, and I'm just
Speaker 2: doing stuff that's going to be on the show for
Speaker 2: like ten seconds, you know. I just but I wanted
Speaker 2: to be authentic. So what you're telling me is you
Speaker 2: actually sat there and did this entire thing on your own,
Speaker 2: which is great to hear, first of all, because it
Speaker 2: means it's literally your creation. So even if it fails
Speaker 2: and it's terrible, it's like, you know what, that's my disaster.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't blame the AI or you can't
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's not like, oh I
Speaker 2: didn't know how to operate the prompts, et cetera. You know.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm not saying it's a disaster. By
Speaker 2: the way, I've listened to a few pieces, and we're
Speaker 2: going to listen to a piece tonight. But what about
Speaker 2: that planetary body theme? If you don't mind, let's go
Speaker 2: there first, because I mean, you just try.
Speaker 3: To remain within the milky Way.
Speaker 2: Or do you want to go past this particular patch
Speaker 2: in the universe?
Speaker 3: Tell me.
Speaker 4: At this point, I kind of started this my professional
Speaker 4: albums right with the album Jupiter, and it's kind of
Speaker 4: I did a you know, a Star Wars type thing
Speaker 4: where I went out of order. And the idea is
Speaker 4: that when they're done, you're going to go back and
Speaker 4: allays say to them in order of the planetary bodies
Speaker 4: from first to ninth right, and it's going to tell
Speaker 4: a Cohes's story from beginning to add and mostly so
Speaker 4: it's taken a lot of work to kind of weave.
Speaker 1: In and out.
Speaker 4: The last few albums have been a personal series, so
Speaker 4: I've been doing an extremely introspective look at myself and
Speaker 4: what I've been through. So this current album, Venus, it
Speaker 4: starts at the end of the pandemic, kind of coming
Speaker 4: out of that emersion from that where my head was
Speaker 4: at how scrambled I felt as a human being, all
Speaker 4: the things I had been researching and studying, So it
Speaker 4: kind of comes in with this pulp noir theme. And
Speaker 4: as always in the Erroneous Method world, we're in a
Speaker 4: dystopian science fiction landscape set just slightly in the near
Speaker 4: future from us. So it's supposed to be kind of
Speaker 4: like a reflective world of our own, a little darker,
Speaker 4: and it's also supposed to emerge my own personal struggles.
Speaker 4: And that's what I set out with this album to
Speaker 4: make a blues album.
Speaker 1: And I made three or four blues.
Speaker 4: Songs, and I only two of them naturally made it
Speaker 4: onto the album because it just didn't fit the theme of
Speaker 4: where it started to go with you know, no matter what,
Speaker 4: I always end up gravitating back to rap, which.
Speaker 1: I wish I didn't have to.
Speaker 4: I wish I could have stated that I wish I
Speaker 4: could do other things. But the more I get away
Speaker 4: from rap, the more I'm like, it just pulls me
Speaker 4: right back in.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: This is interesting to me because you've gone through a
Speaker 2: dynamic here. You haven't been entirely comfortable in your own
Speaker 2: world personally for a bit. I'm not going to dig
Speaker 2: too deep, but I'm going to say that you know,
Speaker 2: you went through some challenges. Losing everything definitely creates a
Speaker 2: different perspective. You know, when you end up, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of face down for a minute, it gets you
Speaker 2: to have to pick yourself back up. And that less
Speaker 2: in and of itself is you know what, one of
Speaker 2: the most common themes in music anyway, whether people are
Speaker 2: doing instrumentals or they're writing lyrics, they've often related about
Speaker 2: a struggle.
Speaker 3: That's usually the big thing here.
Speaker 2: You know, there's no movie without a conflict, there's no song.
Speaker 3: Without a struggle.
Speaker 2: Usually that's the way I see it anyway, at least
Speaker 2: that's the stuff that has a soul, and you know
Speaker 2: your soul has been through some challenges in the past decade,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Like the rest of us. True, but also you had
Speaker 3: personal stuff.
Speaker 2: There's been personal stuff superimposed on top of that. You know,
Speaker 2: so you are in the collective, you know, trained record
Speaker 2: reality that we're all in right now, but also on
Speaker 2: top of it, you know, you lost a lot. You
Speaker 2: kind of had plans, and the universe told you exactly
Speaker 2: what you could do with your plans, you know, just
Speaker 2: like it's done to me at various points here.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I've been on this journey doing this show for
Speaker 2: thirteen years. Yeah, thirteen years of this and you know,
Speaker 2: thinking about it, it's pretty crazy because I mean it
Speaker 2: started out as just an.
Speaker 3: Idea that I, you know, barely knew how to do.
Speaker 2: And I've been on you know, various platforms, I've been
Speaker 2: with different networks. I've done it, and the funny thing
Speaker 2: is the show has kind of remained still at its
Speaker 2: core what it was to begin with, despite the fact
Speaker 2: that the whole world has sort of remade itself in a.
Speaker 3: Different form. I mean, if you told me that I.
Speaker 2: Was going to be staring at, you know, the second
Speaker 2: non consecutive term of Donald Trump with a country that's
Speaker 2: really heavily divided as it is.
Speaker 3: You know, ten years.
Speaker 2: Ago, I would have said, dude, you got to pass
Speaker 2: that joint. You know, you can't sit there with it
Speaker 2: all day, That's what I would have said, because you
Speaker 2: would have been smoking a little too hard.
Speaker 3: I would have thought.
Speaker 2: But here we are, you know, and that's just the politics.
Speaker 2: That's not even the rest of the strange you know,
Speaker 2: psychosocial dynamic that we're dealing with here, which is another
Speaker 2: part of the reality. Right people aren't even interacting with
Speaker 2: each other the way that they did ten years ago.
Speaker 2: So you know the fact that you're constructing this universe
Speaker 2: where we're gonna go, you know, out of order, but
Speaker 2: eventually it's gonna come together makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 2: Like you have to make everything in a pulp fiction
Speaker 2: style order at this.
Speaker 3: Point, literally, like that movie, the fact that it.
Speaker 2: Was you know, not in its correct timeline, you know, chronologically.
Speaker 2: You have to make things that way because that's the
Speaker 2: way the world actually is functioning at this point, between
Speaker 2: the nostalgia porn and the uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Go ahead to talk about that a little more, please, Oh.
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, yeah, yeah, you're nailing it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I had a kind of.
Speaker 4: An affinity when I was younger for Tarantino, and now
Speaker 4: that I'm older, I really don't like that kind of
Speaker 4: like subjective violence. But what I do like is his
Speaker 4: ability to kind of yes, take in choose the dynamic
Speaker 4: order of things, and like this album that flows in
Speaker 4: one direction right up until the second to last track,
Speaker 4: and then you get almost a flashback to my younger self.
Speaker 4: So the idea that yeah, we're going to go mostly
Speaker 4: in order, but every once in a while you're gonna
Speaker 4: get thrown off with a memory, thought.
Speaker 1: A smell, a trigger of this.
Speaker 4: And of course the next albums anna to get the
Speaker 4: whole time element to it. So yeah, like, for instance,
Speaker 4: you talked about the struggle, right, Like, there's this song
Speaker 4: I have on the album called Jerry.
Speaker 1: Lewis Okay, And it's.
Speaker 4: Probabably on the surface the funnest like Club Rappie by
Speaker 4: of all the album. It does not seem like a
Speaker 4: very depressing song, but underneath chorus.
Speaker 1: Goes like I'm talking about how like it comes.
Speaker 4: From a movie that group line called Artists and Rodel's,
Speaker 4: which is Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, right, and I
Speaker 4: stay in the chorus tough times, but I'm a beewater
Speaker 4: and flow right through it.
Speaker 1: I talk about, you know, I'm not being Dean Martin
Speaker 1: turning my Deans into steak because I'm Jerry Lewis.
Speaker 4: So the idea is from that movie, because like there's
Speaker 4: this kind of comedic bit about how Jerry Lewis is
Speaker 4: pretending that he's eating a steak, you know, like imagining that,
Speaker 4: you know, and all they have on their plate is
Speaker 4: this one bean and they're trying to pretend it's a steak,
Speaker 4: and Dean Martin is not playing along.
Speaker 1: He just refuses to.
Speaker 4: Kind kind of do this exercise with Terry Lewis, and
Speaker 4: he goes to the other room and he goes the
Speaker 4: sleep tells him how badly the sty it has booked
Speaker 4: him to the window and lands on Jerry Lewis's play.
Speaker 4: And the idea is like manifestation, right, like conjuring up
Speaker 4: what you want out of life. Pretend you're one bean
Speaker 4: is a steak hard enough and maybe you'll get one.
Speaker 4: And I wrote this in the middle of a flood.
Speaker 1: I was living in a storage unit. I was sitting
Speaker 1: on top of my boxes and things.
Speaker 4: Because my cot had been so there was a flash flood.
Speaker 4: There was about four inches four inches to four feet
Speaker 4: of water throughout the process of the flood on the ground,
Speaker 4: just destroying all of my stuff. And so I come
Speaker 4: back to that theme multiple times of turning my beans
Speaker 4: into steak in the album. And it's just a throwaway
Speaker 4: line that you would never understand. It's like literally for
Speaker 4: me and me.
Speaker 1: Alone, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's this metaphor that unless I tell you the story
Speaker 4: right now, you're not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's you know what's weird?
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, let me let me interrupt you, because
Speaker 2: what's really strange is that you are throwing me back
Speaker 2: to something I saw as a little kid, which was
Speaker 2: a Disney uh movie, and I don't remember which one
Speaker 2: it was, but the characters like Donald Duck and Mickey
Speaker 2: Mouse are literally dealing with a bean that they're trying
Speaker 2: to slice into slices to share amongst each other, right, And.
Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking about you're talking about you, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, that reminds me quite a bit
Speaker 2: about what it is, you know, I saw back then,
Speaker 2: but it is metaphorically what we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you think about it, the high food.
Speaker 2: Prices and all this stuff, where you know, quite honestly,
Speaker 2: it's getting harder and hard or to sort of just survive.
Speaker 2: And even the crab food that we used to be
Speaker 2: able to buy cheap is no longer cheap. So you know,
Speaker 2: literally you wind up sitting there with friends or family
Speaker 2: trying to cut up and divide amongst you something that
Speaker 2: not too long ago would have been a side dish,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like we've actually had
Speaker 2: to adjust our expectations with our reality directly, and that
Speaker 2: in and of itself is something that needs to be
Speaker 2: memorialized at this time. And frankly, I'm not seeing artists
Speaker 2: do that. You know, they're actually drawing into.
Speaker 3: Their own egos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're drawing into their own egos and not even
Speaker 2: recognizing the thing that's forming their particular viewpoint on this
Speaker 2: point in history. So we're getting almost nothing being memorialized
Speaker 2: by comedians. A lot of comedians just suck right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're terrible. I don't understand, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I saw this recent thing with what is his name,
Speaker 2: Tony Pepperoni, you know, became a viral guy for a minute, right,
Speaker 2: and he's like terrible, He's doing a terrible Italian accent.
Speaker 2: He's like this complete disaster as a comedian, and yet
Speaker 2: he's probably one of the funniest things in existence right now,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I'm looking at some of these
Speaker 2: comedians outside of some of the best of the best,
Speaker 2: like like Dave Chappelle is still funny. He knows how
Speaker 2: to tell a story. But mostly nobody is telling the
Speaker 2: story of now, you know, not the news, not the artists.
Speaker 2: It's just it's sort of like people are just trying
Speaker 2: to survive through this and they're not generating the images.
Speaker 2: They're letting AI do it. They're letting their phones record everything,
Speaker 2: and they're not creating a representation of what they're experiencing
Speaker 2: in this particular time period. It's like this complete laziness
Speaker 2: artistically out there. So what I'm saying to you is,
Speaker 2: I'm impressed that you're even putting this thought process into
Speaker 2: your work, because nobody.
Speaker 3: Is at this point.
Speaker 2: It looks like to me, it's sort of like they've
Speaker 2: abandoned the work of actually generating a piece of art.
Speaker 2: And I mean, it's across the board. I could talk
Speaker 2: about the movies and how they suck because they're just
Speaker 2: rebooting everything. I mean literally, they just put out another
Speaker 2: series on John Wayne Gacy and you know, one of
Speaker 2: them's a drama, one of them's a documentary. The same
Speaker 2: network put it out, put the money on it, and
Speaker 2: everything else, and they literally gave it the same title.
Speaker 3: That's how lazy everything is.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, you know, Milania Trump gets forty million dollars
Speaker 2: so that they can make a documentary about her, But
Speaker 2: nobody is creating a piece of art to take a
Speaker 2: snapshot of anything except what her.
Speaker 3: You know, like, it's really weird out there for real
Speaker 3: reason for that, God tell me about it.
Speaker 4: You know. Well, here's my thing. I think you have
Speaker 4: two factors. You have the twenty four hour news cycle.
Speaker 4: People are afraid to comment on what is happening right
Speaker 4: now because they are afraid it will be a no
Speaker 4: name story in a year. One two the ego death.
Speaker 4: Your artists today are egocentric. They've never bothered to kill
Speaker 4: their ego. They've never gone introspective, and they've never bothered
Speaker 4: to explore the world around them. First, you have to
Speaker 4: visit yourself. Then you can visit your community, then your state, then.
Speaker 1: The world at large.
Speaker 4: But if you don't do it in that order, you're
Speaker 4: going to screw yourself out of any kind of true
Speaker 4: relevance as a human being. You aren't an individual at
Speaker 4: that point. I don't know that's that's too strong of
Speaker 4: an idea, but that's how I feel, you know. And
Speaker 4: as an artist like I try and like this has
Speaker 4: taken three years because I'd put out a song and
Speaker 4: then i'd sit on it and i'd smell it, and
Speaker 4: i'd listen to it, and i'd explored it, and as
Speaker 4: I hit that point where I went yay or nay,
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes a few months later it didn't feel
Speaker 4: right anymore. And for the first time in recording anything,
Speaker 4: I burned tracks. I've never done that. Everything's always gone
Speaker 4: on an album. I create it and it goes on
Speaker 4: the album.
Speaker 1: This time, about half of what I created disappeared.
Speaker 2: See, and you ought to just create it as bonus
Speaker 2: content for a later project, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: put it aside.
Speaker 1: It's out there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And because I'll be honest with you, is after people,
Speaker 2: if they get into what it is you're doing now
Speaker 2: and you get back to the podcast, you'll still need
Speaker 2: more content, you know what I mean, Like it is
Speaker 2: endless as to how much content you can dump into
Speaker 2: these things anymore. And I figured that out because, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I did over two thousand podcasts and I
Speaker 2: thought that was impressive.
Speaker 3: Nobody cares, you know.
Speaker 2: Like I got this huge library. Nobody cares, you know,
Speaker 2: what did you do this week? You know, like they're
Speaker 2: really not there's no preservation, there's no Like I said,
Speaker 2: it's it's almost like we have really accelerated into the
Speaker 2: disposable nature of all things, where nothing is retainable for
Speaker 2: very long at all, you know. And you mentioned the
Speaker 2: twenty four hour news cycle. That's part of it, but
Speaker 2: realistically that's more about that's what the audience is demanding.
Speaker 2: And it's because of this shift among the audience. I
Speaker 2: don't blame the even the corporate media for doing it,
Speaker 2: because they're only going to deliver what they can profit from.
Speaker 2: They're only going to deliver what that waiting audience wants.
Speaker 2: And I blame the audience. Now at this point, you know,
Speaker 2: the reason why the rappers are lazy is because the
Speaker 2: audience accepts it. The reason why the comedy sucks is
Speaker 2: because they're still buying tickets.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's just the reason why you know, Rogan continues to
Speaker 2: you know, still remain in the top five of the
Speaker 2: podcast is because laziness is okay with the audience.
Speaker 3: You know, they want to watch you flounder. They want
Speaker 3: to watch the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, you're running up a really good point right now, go.
Speaker 2: Ahead, Yeah, I mean this is the conversation we're having.
Speaker 3: I love this, Please go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, when it comes to guys like Joe Rogan, right now,
Speaker 4: we've watched him get lazier and lazier with his presentation.
Speaker 4: At one point he talked to the most important and
Speaker 4: influential movers, shakers and people with original ideas, and now
Speaker 4: he speaks to his two hundred and fifty comedy assassins lazily.
Speaker 4: I might add, it's kind of sad to watch podcasting
Speaker 4: in general go from the idea of.
Speaker 1: People in their basements doing this because they genuinely loved
Speaker 1: journalism and getting to the bottom of the nature of
Speaker 1: our reality, the nature of now here, the police that
Speaker 1: we live in, and trying to figure that out and
Speaker 1: turn it into an industry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now.
Speaker 1: It's funny that's making money or anything.
Speaker 2: No, listen, there's nothing wrong with that. But it is
Speaker 2: a strange space we're in where Don Lemon leaves the
Speaker 2: you know, the corporate media world all right, where he
Speaker 2: had a you know, a look a decidedly you know,
Speaker 2: cookie cutter sort of job. Every single day he did
Speaker 2: the same thing and he was getting paid well for it.
Speaker 2: He leaves that industry and then becomes an industry onto himself.
Speaker 2: You know, you or I can't step into that world
Speaker 2: and do that, right, We can't you know, create the
Speaker 2: Lemonheads and you know, become Lemon World or whatever it
Speaker 2: is he's doing over there. Even without the blessing of
Speaker 2: Elon Musk, right, he's still a thing onto himself. And
Speaker 2: I mean it's not even about the left wing, because
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson did the same damn thing right where he
Speaker 2: just and not only did he become an entity onto
Speaker 2: himself and an industry onto himself, he turned around and
Speaker 2: also was like, oh, also, I'm going to snatch up
Speaker 2: some of that credibility from all you people that have
Speaker 2: been outside of the mainstream. And he became like a
Speaker 2: hero to these people who were standing by truly independent
Speaker 2: stuff for years and years they suddenly were like, oh no,
Speaker 2: Tucker's okay, you know, and it's like wow, like how
Speaker 2: did we get here? You know where you know, Elon
Speaker 2: Musk's Elon Musk buys Twitter and now it's an all
Speaker 2: in one platform. Alex Jones has two channels on there.
Speaker 2: Right constantly, I'm getting Alex Jones pushed at me.
Speaker 3: On my algorithm. I don't know about everybody else, but
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's it.
Speaker 2: Now you can exist on Twitter as an entity, and
Speaker 2: that in and of itself, if you have the proper
Speaker 2: blessing from the from the technocracy, you aughtundically have an
Speaker 2: industry onto yourself.
Speaker 3: So I mean that is a whole.
Speaker 2: Different world from what I stepped into, you know in
Speaker 2: the early twenty t you know, before the twenty teens really,
Speaker 2: but like as the twenty teen started, right, uh, that's
Speaker 2: a whole other world from where we were at there.
Speaker 2: You know, back then, we were still the laughable part
Speaker 2: of the media, podcasting and stuff, you know, online broadcasting.
Speaker 3: What is this? Oh, that's what people.
Speaker 2: Do when they're you know, when they live at home
Speaker 2: in their basement with their mom, you know. And it's like,
Speaker 2: well I don't but okay, fine, you know, like we
Speaker 2: were the laughable ones, and now those people that used
Speaker 2: to laugh at us are doing it and are doing it,
Speaker 2: you know, to the tunes of millions of dollars.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was shocked.
Speaker 2: When you know, that Russian money scandal happened and it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, gee, you realize you're being paid by
Speaker 2: the Russian government, and it's like I didn't notice, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they gave you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: to do a podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll give it back. I didn't really notice what.
Speaker 2: Kind of a you know, a money generating operation you
Speaker 2: have where one hundred and fifty thousand dollars isn't even
Speaker 2: a blip in your own head, in your you know,
Speaker 2: supposedly independent organization. I mean again, I'm not calling out
Speaker 2: names here. I'm just trying to say we are definitely,
Speaker 2: you know, we're definitely no longer in Kansas, Toto, because
Speaker 2: this is not this is not what the world that
Speaker 2: I entered into, you know, and it's strange. It's very
Speaker 2: very strange. And you notice most of the you know,
Speaker 2: survivors from that period that we're doing it are no
Speaker 2: longer here. You know what I mean, they're gone one
Speaker 2: way or another. Uh, But you have Kansas Owens, you
Speaker 2: have the Charlie Kirk thing, which you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you want to say anything about that or not,
Speaker 2: but I mean to me, it was sort of like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: he's one of the right wing influencers. There are left
Speaker 2: wing influencers. They all have a similar sort of mo
Speaker 2: except that you know, Charlie Kirk was sitting there and
Speaker 2: a text came out recently, it was a leaked thing,
Speaker 2: and Candice Owens put it out where he's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, since I lost a two million dollar backer,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll change my opinion on Israel on my podcast.
Speaker 2: And it's like nobody stops to even say, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: What you're telling me is there's a pay for play
Speaker 2: situation in podcasting where you know, oh, well, among my backers,
Speaker 2: I lost a two million dollar backer.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't realize that guy was even that important.
Speaker 2: I knew he was a Trump guy and he was,
Speaker 2: you know, part of the new young people whatever, but
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize Charlie Kirk was that important until
Speaker 2: he was dead, you know, and then that hyper reality
Speaker 2: happened and it was almost like a WWE event.
Speaker 4: Good yeah, oh sorry, yeah, No. Unfortunately he was playing
Speaker 4: hard and loose for a long time.
Speaker 1: And that's most of these guys.
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of them have much integrity.
Speaker 4: Not saying that, like from what I've seen of him,
Speaker 4: he had all the right talking points, but we've seen
Speaker 4: what happened on the back end.
Speaker 1: Right, And.
Speaker 4: The whole Israel thing is very interesting. It's very interesting
Speaker 4: what you can and cannot say.
Speaker 1: That's all out. You really want to comment on.
Speaker 4: Kandace and Tucker joining for courses, turning point, basically turning their.
Speaker 1: Backs on Tucker Candace. It's very interesting. The whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know what I always.
Speaker 4: Say, Chuck, and I've said it before on your show,
Speaker 4: is follow the money.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what we're going to do now
Speaker 2: is we're going to take a little break from talking
Speaker 2: because we've gone in a lot of wild directions here,
Speaker 2: and I want to take a listen actually to the
Speaker 2: title track if you don't mind, and we'll all.
Speaker 3: Listen to it together.
Speaker 2: I'll leave the microphones open so everybody can hear this
Speaker 2: and you and I can listen together for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Should I start at the beginning of the track venus
Speaker 2: or you want me to skip? Or or should I
Speaker 2: just roll it?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Just yeah, just roll it, go for it?
Speaker 2: All right, let's do that and take a listen to
Speaker 2: the title track.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know how significant the title track is, but
Speaker 2: is there anything you want to tell us about it?
Speaker 3: Before we just turn it on?
Speaker 7: I can just hit play, okay.
Speaker 6: Possibly the ashes the feeds the bloss on the ashes,
Speaker 6: with bloss from the ashes, from the ashes, its supplass
Speaker 6: from the ashes, stain, its supplies from the ashes, surpass
Speaker 6: the ash for the ashes for the ashes.
Speaker 8: He has arisen, He has a risen. He is a
Speaker 8: resonant coming after you passed us. They tried to mask us. Yeah,
Speaker 8: they tried to see the last of us. See, they
Speaker 8: thought they'd see the last of us. When we're back
Speaker 8: demanding justice with a French pist from the dominant risk
Speaker 8: all my freedom, love.
Speaker 1: And fellow man can get with this?
Speaker 3: Who can spit at eloquent as slog of a list which.
Speaker 8: Is nineteen eighty four And like Roden might have said,
Speaker 8: you know I'm on the list.
Speaker 3: You know I'm on the list.
Speaker 1: We ain't falling for this CGC grift.
Speaker 3: We ain't falling for.
Speaker 1: This carbon scam. Drift understand the reader. People are pissed
Speaker 1: January sixth was not in that selection.
Speaker 3: Why can't people have a legitimate concern.
Speaker 1: About the course of an election.
Speaker 2: Why can't we have a use of agreement with.
Speaker 1: A government that acts like a cancer or an infection.
Speaker 1: Y'all need to look at governance, take close abstraction. But
Speaker 1: y'all just trying to blop. Not ready to miss.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pausess for a sec because I'm listening to
Speaker 2: it and it's it's it's wild, man, because I didn't
Speaker 2: expect to hear the politics, and we got some politics
Speaker 2: in here, but I don't think they're there for the
Speaker 2: sake of the politics. I think you're talking about the
Speaker 2: psychology here of what it is we're witnessing, and back
Speaker 2: to what we were talking about regarding the communication, at
Speaker 2: least that's what I'm hearing. And also the music itself.
Speaker 2: The fact that it's kind of disconnected makes perfect sense
Speaker 2: to me because it clearly demonstrates the background noise that
Speaker 2: we're all dealing with, you know, whether it's the electronic
Speaker 2: hum like I noticed when the lights went out in
Speaker 2: my city for a little bit, and it was a widespread,
Speaker 2: sort of just power outage, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people were sort of shocked by the fact that
Speaker 2: there was such thing as silence all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I feel like the
Speaker 2: whole world is like that, where there's a constant noise,
Speaker 2: there's a constant static, and you're representing it here with
Speaker 2: the way that the beat and even the key that
Speaker 2: I'm not sure which instrument that is, but it's like
Speaker 2: an electronic instrument version of something else that should be
Speaker 2: a memory. It almost feels like a memory of an instrument,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of echoing through this.
Speaker 3: While you're speaking.
Speaker 2: And so I find this, Yeah good.
Speaker 1: It's a synthesizer. It's a very old synthesizer. It's called
Speaker 1: a mood boog.
Speaker 4: But what I did was I used an electronic emulator
Speaker 4: to recreate it, because it would have cost me thousands
Speaker 4: and thousands of dollars to actually buy one, right.
Speaker 2: But like I said, it sounds like a digital capture
Speaker 2: of an old memory, so perfect, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: But let me play, let me play some more of
Speaker 2: the track. But I just wanted to give that impression
Speaker 2: real quick, because it also reminds me of that that
Speaker 2: track you gave me a while ago, Redneck Cherokee, which
Speaker 2: I do play little snippets of, you know, during my
Speaker 2: breaks and stuff as a transition, and uh, it's it
Speaker 2: reminds me of that, by the way. But anyway, let's
Speaker 2: let's go back to this one. It's still playing the
Speaker 2: track Venus from Erroneous Method And like I said, I
Speaker 2: just wanted to pause it per commentary, and this way
Speaker 2: nobody can just cut it out and use it as
Speaker 2: a song. Like you know, go buy the song. I'll
Speaker 2: give you the link afterwards if you want it. Uh,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's just interesting to me. Anyways, Let's
Speaker 2: see what else we got on here?
Speaker 1: So fast from the.
Speaker 6: Ashes, the phoenix, so vast from the ysh.
Speaker 4: The feedings, so vas from the ashes, from.
Speaker 6: The ashes, from the ash, taking off the glasses.
Speaker 1: We've all been graywashed by the glasses. They lived because
Speaker 1: you brought into the ads.
Speaker 4: Kids don't need to add live the workplace still mad
Speaker 4: this calling me conservative, That's when I really start scaring them.
Speaker 4: When I blast off into the stratus means saying I'm
Speaker 4: a libertarian.
Speaker 1: I got thoughts and beliefs, but I'm too old to
Speaker 1: be married to that. In the end, we all grow
Speaker 1: and change.
Speaker 8: Hopefully we ascend instead of descend like the Jews did.
Speaker 4: From shem downtown, Canada, digg was getting bad.
Speaker 1: I just passed the crackhead hit in a stem.
Speaker 8: The town board likes to pretend says every things all right,
Speaker 8: They just have some bandages they need to give men.
Speaker 3: But it's more like.
Speaker 1: A gaping wound that will close again.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: I think it's appropriate that it fades out like that too,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's exactly what it should do. But
Speaker 2: it's really sort of a disconnected piece, like you know, uh,
Speaker 2: it's like it's not meant to be hard driven to
Speaker 2: the current, you know what I mean. It's it feels
Speaker 2: like a memory of a song as opposed to a song,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, probably probably the strangest description you're
Speaker 2: gonna get from somebody first impression on it, thank you.
Speaker 3: But that's that's the thing though.
Speaker 2: Look, you know me, I'll just blurt it out and
Speaker 2: give you the you know, the most honest thought that
Speaker 2: I've got in my head best I can.
Speaker 3: Uh. I like it.
Speaker 2: It is it is different, though, man, I did not
Speaker 2: expect that from you, just saying, even though it does
Speaker 2: remind me of that redneck Cherokee thing, and I might
Speaker 2: play that before we're done tonight. But anyway, so this
Speaker 2: is there a reason why this is the title track.
Speaker 4: I started the project again three years ago and we
Speaker 4: were still in a bided.
Speaker 9: Administration and things were very confusing still, and I do
Speaker 9: want to loose up in arms, you know what I mean,
Speaker 9: at each other's throats.
Speaker 4: The way I've never seen politics in America. I could
Speaker 4: not even express to.
Speaker 1: People my own.
Speaker 4: You know, hey, guys, I don't believe in your red
Speaker 4: or your blues.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 4: My own ideas, and people don't like that when you
Speaker 4: don't play a team, you know. I was beginning to
Speaker 4: understand the very professional sports nature of politics, and having
Speaker 4: gone through my own political podcast for so many years,
Speaker 4: I grew very disconnected with the kind of interviews I
Speaker 4: was getting, even out of the people that I kind
Speaker 4: of admired.
Speaker 1: So the title track, it starts off the album.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to start off the album in this kind
Speaker 4: of getting you in the idea of questioning, and then
Speaker 4: we're going to slide into some very personal stuff throughout
Speaker 4: the rest of the album, and it just kind of
Speaker 4: slacks downhill in tone and pacing.
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, it starts slow, it hits quick, and
Speaker 1: then moves very slow for the rest of the album.
Speaker 3: All right, So here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a quick break here and I'm going
Speaker 2: to try and straighten out a little technical issue. But
Speaker 2: during the break, we're gonna also play Redneck Cherokee and
Speaker 2: you know which is another track by Erroneous Method. Now
Speaker 2: I don't usually play the whole track, but I might
Speaker 2: let the whole track run during the break, or at
Speaker 2: least a good portion of it during the break.
Speaker 3: But so you guys will hear that as well on
Speaker 3: here if you stay tuned during the break.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna try and improve our our quality sound
Speaker 2: wise just while I'm doing that, So stick around, you'll
Speaker 2: Chilli Effect with the Erroneous Method will return for another
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Speaker 2: All right, second segment of the Ocelli Effect Here on
Speaker 2: a Monday and erroneous method is with me. We've gotten
Speaker 2: a little bit deep on uh some of his stuff.
Speaker 2: Played the title track from his latest album, Venus.
Speaker 3: And uh three year long well.
Speaker 2: Labor in order to produce something that he actually produced
Speaker 2: and didn't just you know, spit into an AI generator
Speaker 2: and say, okay, manufacture a clone of something that would
Speaker 2: be music for me, you know, unlike a lot of
Speaker 2: other people that are doing that nowadays.
Speaker 3: It is what it is.
Speaker 2: And say, before we forget, tell everybody where they can
Speaker 2: get the new album, how they can reach out to
Speaker 2: you all that good stuff, if you don't mind, because
Speaker 2: we didn't even get to any of that in the
Speaker 2: whole first half of the show here.
Speaker 3: Tom, Sorry, you might have to unmute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can purchase the new album everywhere music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you go ahead, all right, So.
Speaker 4: You can purchase the new album anywhere. I mean that
Speaker 4: they sum ten thirty one. I prefer if you go
Speaker 4: to Spotify and give give me a follow, because I
Speaker 4: think they're doing some funky things over at Spotify, and
Speaker 4: I kind of want to experiment with how many people
Speaker 4: I can get to go funnel to that particular site
Speaker 4: for this album drop. However, you can't buy it on Apple,
Speaker 4: I Tunes, Dun's dzer Pandora Radio anywhere needs to sold.
Speaker 4: One word at Instagram or on x I'm very responsive
Speaker 4: to people. I love to have conversations, So if you
Speaker 4: want to talk about politics or anything like this, hit
Speaker 4: me up.
Speaker 3: Excellent. So you sent me some other stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to dig into it anymore,
Speaker 2: to play anymore right now, but this is fast because
Speaker 2: it's very personal. But at the same time, you have
Speaker 2: the running concept. How many how many more pieces before
Speaker 2: your your you know, your your entire saga here is
Speaker 2: going to be complete? How many more albums does Erroneous
Speaker 2: Method have coming for this saga?
Speaker 4: Well, for this particular series, I'm going to full albums
Speaker 4: and possibly more because I started a thing with the
Speaker 4: second album called Orion, so that expands into kind of
Speaker 4: these consolation.
Speaker 1: Albums, which are like offshoots from.
Speaker 4: The Planetary Body set, and each one of those explores
Speaker 4: a different specific BPM and a different instrument that I
Speaker 4: layer throughout the entire album, like for instance, Orion was
Speaker 4: nylon strings and it was set to ninety bpms, so
Speaker 4: each one is very specific and kind of nerdy.
Speaker 1: Not to geek out too much, but so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's should nine elbums in this first set,
Speaker 4: but we'll see how it goes to where it goes
Speaker 4: from there.
Speaker 1: I don't ever plan to stop making music, so we'll
Speaker 1: see where it goes.
Speaker 3: Right, I got you.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not saying it'll be the end, but it
Speaker 2: could be the end of this project if you complete it,
Speaker 2: and then who knows what the next project might be.
Speaker 3: You know again, though, you.
Speaker 2: Know, some things start out like like Star Wars. You mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, what did Lucas do? He was pissed he
Speaker 2: couldn't remake Flash Gordon, so so he created Star Wars
Speaker 2: And the next thing, you know is there's a universe, right,
Speaker 2: and a totally different story was made out of Star Trek. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm one of those weirdos that does appreciate both, but
Speaker 2: I think I'm more of a Star Trek guy because
Speaker 2: it's just even weirder to me that there's this whole
Speaker 2: imagined future and interconnected reality that's been going on now
Speaker 2: for you know.
Speaker 3: Over over a half a century.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, so I appreciate that even though I
Speaker 2: was alive when Star Wars happened, and even the first
Speaker 2: time I saw it was on a drive in movie screen,
Speaker 2: so you know, this thing that was the size of
Speaker 2: a house was the size of you know, what was
Speaker 2: being projected there. So when that first you know, Superstar
Speaker 2: Destroyer rolled across the screen, uh, the.
Speaker 3: Damn thing was bigger than a bus. You know.
Speaker 2: To me, which size does matter, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2: And you know, the sound might have sucked because we
Speaker 2: had those metal speakers and all that, but but it
Speaker 2: was something man to watch that universe happen, and even
Speaker 2: like Star Trek kind of you know, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it happened before I was born, the first series, but
Speaker 2: then the movie became something and a new series happened,
Speaker 2: and ever after the writers have interconnected this whole thing
Speaker 2: so that there is a universe onto itself, an alternate
Speaker 2: reality that is the Star Trek reality, you know, in
Speaker 2: our future, allegedly, even though they've had to adjust stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, like the Eugenics Wars. But stay tuned, we
Speaker 2: might get there, just on a different part of the timeline,
Speaker 2: you know, sci fi and the creation of art and
Speaker 2: things like this. It's all very interesting to me because
Speaker 2: it's simultaneously reflective and predictive. And I'm telling you, not
Speaker 2: just the gene Roddenberrys of the world, but people like
Speaker 2: you will turn around and find that they came up
Speaker 2: with a little bit of not predictive programming necessarily. But
Speaker 2: we're all making predictions. You know, everybody's trying to anticipate
Speaker 2: the future one way or another, whether it's trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what you're gonna do with the rest to
Speaker 2: your week, or you're trying to create, you know, a
Speaker 2: piece of art that's going to interlock eventually into this
Speaker 2: one massive mosaic.
Speaker 3: One way or another.
Speaker 2: You know, we're all playing that game where there's a
Speaker 2: bit of you know, prognostication and reflection and introspection built
Speaker 2: into all of these things that we create. So I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed watching the process with you and definitely want
Speaker 2: to advise people, you know, look follow them on x
Speaker 2: I'm not a big Instagram guy, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people love that, and I would say, you know, check
Speaker 2: it out because it is something different and it's actually genuine,
Speaker 2: which is apart from, like I said, a lot of
Speaker 2: the other music I'm seeing created even by people that
Speaker 2: are in like the podcast spheres if you will, you know,
Speaker 2: the different clicks, which bothered me about a week ago.
Speaker 2: I said something about it on X but very few
Speaker 2: people understood what I was saying. But they are like
Speaker 2: clicks or clique if you will, among certain groups of artists,
Speaker 2: and even they seem to act together. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just see a lot of stagnation. And I see
Speaker 2: a lot of stagnation because some people thought they were
Speaker 2: fighting for something and they've won and they don't know
Speaker 2: how to win. That's one thing. And then on the
Speaker 2: other hand, you know, a whole lot of stuff just
Speaker 2: gets thrown to the wayside and forgotten about. As per usual.
Speaker 2: Almost everything in our society is disposable. And I hate
Speaker 2: to think that we're going to have nothing worth saving
Speaker 2: from this digital age if this keeps up, because nobody is,
Speaker 2: you know, doing anything except let's see what the AI
Speaker 2: can do, you know. And there's whole podcasts and YouTube
Speaker 2: channels that are you know, AI voiced, AI scripted, you know,
Speaker 2: and they're coming up with the wrong clips in some cases,
Speaker 2: like I was cracking up, there were a bunch of
Speaker 2: movie things that went by just you know, my algorithm.
Speaker 2: I did to play them, and they were playing they
Speaker 2: were trying to tell us about, you know, futuristic movies
Speaker 2: in the sixties and how today you know, at the
Speaker 2: time they were thought of to be too far out
Speaker 2: of a concept, but today, with you know, the idea
Speaker 2: of transhumanism and people combining with computers and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: a lot of these movies seem like warnings from sixty
Speaker 2: years ago instead of, you know, something.
Speaker 3: That was too far fetched.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is it's definitely an AI driven
Speaker 2: video because they were accidentally playing the movie time Machine
Speaker 2: or Time after Time sorry from the seventies instead of
Speaker 2: playing the damn things that they're talking about, because the
Speaker 2: AI didn't separate the time machine thing with HG. Wells
Speaker 2: from the other time machine thing with HG. Wells, which
Speaker 2: cracked me up because again it points to how, you know,
Speaker 2: the old ideas keep getting revisited. There's very little originality,
Speaker 2: and even the AI is screwing it up. You know,
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be smarter than you and everything else.
Speaker 2: But I'm looking at it going I know that movie.
Speaker 2: I watched it when it was brand new, and that
Speaker 2: version of H. G. Wells was trying to chase Jack
Speaker 2: the Ripper in the seventies. This is not from the sixties.
Speaker 3: What are you doing? You know?
Speaker 2: So I just crack up at the mistakes and the
Speaker 2: sort of glitches in the current reality that we're dealing
Speaker 2: with as well. So I appreciate the fact that somebody
Speaker 2: is actually creating something that's organic and genuine to themselves.
Speaker 2: And that's why I appreciate erroneous method. And I hope
Speaker 2: that you guys will go and make those purchases. Now,
Speaker 2: go to Spotify and you know, give it a stream
Speaker 2: over there because he wants to see how that counts
Speaker 2: and everything. Definitely do that, and I'm gonna put all
Speaker 2: the links I can in the show notes here to
Speaker 2: direct you to his work.
Speaker 3: I think we should keep watching it.
Speaker 2: And I've enjoyed it obviously, because I wouldn't keep playing
Speaker 2: his song, you know, during my breaks if I didn't
Speaker 2: think there was something interesting there. And it's not just
Speaker 2: because he mentioned me in a song a while ago either.
Speaker 2: It's because there is something to be said for somebody
Speaker 2: who keeps creating something that is from them. Eventually, you
Speaker 2: know what, if people create enough stuff, they might create
Speaker 2: something new that somebody else is going to have to
Speaker 2: copy twenty years from now, as opposed to just making
Speaker 2: the again the copy of the copy of the copy
Speaker 2: of the copy. I mean, it reminds me of that
Speaker 2: movie Multiplicity, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Years ago?
Speaker 2: What's his name, dear god, Michael Keaton was in that movie,
Speaker 2: and he makes a clone of himself through this special
Speaker 2: method so that he can, like, you know, do more
Speaker 2: work and do more things. And then the clones decide
Speaker 2: to make a clone, and after a little while, they
Speaker 2: make a really bad copy.
Speaker 3: And the guy's slow, so he.
Speaker 2: Looks just like him, but he's such a crap copy
Speaker 2: that he just doesn't have the skills of the other guys,
Speaker 2: you know. And I feel like that's like where we're at.
Speaker 2: I mean, am I dealing with a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: clones and nobody told me? I mean really, nobody speaks
Speaker 2: the language, nobody communicates correctly, and nobody's got an original
Speaker 2: thought anymore. I know, now I sound like the old
Speaker 2: man and I'm about to start screaming about getting getting
Speaker 2: the hell off my grass. But I mean, seriously, this
Speaker 2: is where we're at. And I appreciate that you're you know,
Speaker 2: bucking the trend man. So I want to thank you
Speaker 2: for that. But anything you want to say in closing here,
Speaker 2: or you know, the last little idea you'd like to
Speaker 2: leave us with, I'd be more than happy to hear it.
Speaker 2: Not hearing you now in case you're talking to your
Speaker 2: mute button.
Speaker 4: Having that kind of rhythm and flow to my work
Speaker 4: is important, right, And nobody does create original ideas anymore,
Speaker 4: So I'd like to courage you guys out there if
Speaker 4: you're living.
Speaker 1: Same like what I'm able to make something up this week.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have any uesday, take me any form of expression,
Speaker 4: any form of art, because uh, this as it's it's
Speaker 4: just that it's a slide. It's not going to take
Speaker 4: up the world. So you guys, we'll going something special
Speaker 4: for yourself. But I'm appreciating on thank you very muchell.
Speaker 3: Right, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Uh And and like I say, I, I I do
Speaker 2: feel like that's that's exactly the thing we should encourage,
Speaker 2: is you know, create something because at this point I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what the bar is low enough that you know,
Speaker 2: some people feel like, hey, look, you know what what
Speaker 2: I create? I don't have this much or that or whatever.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, if you you have your own idea,
Speaker 2: you're way ahead of the game already. I promise you
Speaker 2: that much, because you know, whether it's graphic work or
Speaker 2: it's sound stuff, it's driving me nuts. There is so
Speaker 2: much of the just sludge out there, and it always
Speaker 2: leaves a bad aftertaste. It's it's clearly not something that's
Speaker 2: been created by a creative person. And so that's something
Speaker 2: that almost anybody can do. Given the right motivation. You
Speaker 2: can find an outlet for creativity. And I say go
Speaker 2: for it, even if you just share it with your
Speaker 2: you know, your friends and the people at work or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, hell, send it to me. Have you got
Speaker 2: something you can send to me that we can play
Speaker 2: on the show or talk about. I mean, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Let's interact and let's get back to being legitimate.
Speaker 3: That would be nice.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate it and appreciate your sentiments and your work.
Speaker 2: So there you go, guys, Erroneous method on a Monday
Speaker 2: on the Ocelli Effect, And we got all of stuff
Speaker 2: coming up this week, so hopefully you know you guys
Speaker 2: stick around. We should have a special on Friday about
Speaker 2: the Lancer conference because I'm gonna be the MC there
Speaker 2: as per usual, but don't worry, I will plug the
Speaker 2: conference plenty.
Speaker 3: This week.
Speaker 2: Larry Hancock will join us and a couple other guests,
Speaker 2: perhaps along with a new pre recorded feature and the
Speaker 2: usual Friday night call in show. So it should be
Speaker 2: a busy week on the stream. And if Aaron Franz
Speaker 2: can make it this week, then we'll have two more
Speaker 2: podcasts that will produce on Friday nights, so you should
Speaker 2: have plenty of original material not created by an ai
Speaker 2: Autochelly dot com radio this week. So again, thanks to
Speaker 2: a Roneus method, and thanks to you guys for listening,
Speaker 2: I'm ocelly, you are indeed the effect.
Speaker 3: Good night
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