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Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 3: Yes, Hey, everybody, welcome to Matt Connerton Unleashed af Yes,
the online only version that is truly unfiltered, uncensored and unleashed.
And we are here. It is a Sunday, August seventeen,
twenty twenty five. Jenny is with me, of course, Hello, Getings.
You are not at the news table, that's for the right.
Speaker 2: I'm not at the news table. I am at my cable.
Speaker 3: You're at your Tata space. That's right, that's right. So
welcome everybody. A couple of things we want to talk
about while there's there's a big subject that we're going
to get into in a few minutes. But we also
for those who do not know Jenny, you have this
article that has been published on Common Dreams.
Speaker 2: Yes, my first byline on Common Dreams. So I'm very
excited about that. Unfortunately, it was a topic that I
didn't ever expect I was gonna have to deal with
face to face. I think we've are you there, oh, yes.
Speaker 3: There a.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, these this is something I never thought in
my honestly, I never thought that I would ever be
face to face with Nazis. Like this doing the whole
salute and everything. But yeah, that happened right here in Concord,
New Hampshire, and they were the you know, they came
to intimidate us. We had planned a protest. I volunteered
to help out. I was not one of the the
main organizers. That organizing group was actually fifty to fifty one,
the local New Hampshire group here, and they had planned
this protest, got permit the whole nine yards. So we
showed up to h when we were supposed to do,
and we were starting to set things up for the
rally that was supposed to happen like in about an
hour or so after we've gotten there, and no sooner
did we show up and start unloading the trucks at
trucks cars did not. These guys march in in their
red shirts, which on the back I apparently says, uh,
forgive me blood tribe black pants, red shirts, all of
their faces completely covered. Can't see them except for the
founder guy. He's the only one that didn't have his
face covered. And that's the bald guy sitting there with
the tattoos going down his face. And they started yelling
hate with a megaphone it said something like, you know,
the only thing good about your hair, you know, Hampshires,
white people, it's the only thing good. And they were
saying this nasty, nasty stuff, and we, you know, it
was like, we didn't engage them, but obviously we're not
going to have this going on. So one of the
organizers actually got the idea. She pulled her phone out
and she started playing there's a song about killing Nazis.
So she played that. She played they not like Us
and uh, that was fun to sing along too, yeah,
and uh then she played, uh, I got to do
that once before in DC. They played that and we
were like pointing at them, you're not like us, which
we did to these guys, you're not like us. We
were not afraid of them and their job. They're basically there.
They're trying to intimidate us, and they're also trying to recruit.
You know, they are on a you know, they want
more people in their ranks, more white men in their rates. Specifically,
they had the whole Nazi flag. And then she also
played Martin Luther King. So she put her phone in
front of a megaphone and then I had my own amplifier,
so I put that in in front of the megaphone
so we can amplify it even more, and it made
it very loud and kind of distorted and just literally
drowned them out. Whatever the dude was saying in the
megaphone wasn't getting very far because nobody could hear them.
We were literally drowning them out, which was excellent. You know,
not engaging is important because that's what they want. They
want you to engage. They want to incite something. So
you can't fall prey to that, no matter how angry
they make you, no matter what horrendous things they say
about our fellow human beings. You know, you can't go there.
You just can't. So when they weren't getting obviously heard,
they decided to line up. Because they weren't there for
very long, mind you, I'm serious, We really drowned them out,
and so they formed a line so they were two
by two and then they started a military march out
of the state capitol, down the path under the arches
out onto the main street, chanting saying hateful things, trying
to be like all military ask Although it was funny
because when they first started trying to do their little
military ask moves. One of them went in the completely
opposite direction, which was rather amusing. So they lined up
to pay two and they're trying to you know, they're
shouting their hate, and they're photographers, like trying to photographer,
you know, camera us, as if that's going to be
something intimidating. And I just pushed my camera right into
his face as he was pushing it into mind, not
like literally, we weren't literally like we kind of stepped forward.
Speaker 4: He stepped towards me, I stepped towards him, and then
he walked off, but.
Speaker 2: People were yelling at him, telling them to get out.
None of these people are from here, by the way.
They're not from New Hampshire. They came from other places.
They literally marched there and did their hateful yelling and
crap all the way down Main Street or a few
blocks to where they had parked a U haul. But
when they got about almost to where the U haul was,
there was an altercation with a person who does live here.
And I saw a video that showed four of them
around this one man, and one of them punched that
man in his back like four times. Another one of
them pepper sprayed this man and then they ran to
their little U haul and jumped in the back of it,
please were there, and drove off.
Speaker 4: Not about you, but I'm.
Speaker 2: A little flabbertasted that the police let these people climb
into a U haul and drive off because I got
I don't know, call me crazy, but I think if
maybe they were a different group, or maybe if their
tone was different, the cops would have been like, ah, no,
you don't get to drive off with human beings in
the back of you all. That's illegal. But apparently in
this instance, no, maybe now one now it's possible the
cops thinking was, you know what, let's just get them
the hell out of here so there's nothing more going on.
Better to get them out of a situation. Maybe that
was the case. However, there was an assault and I
want to know why that why they haven't been accountable
for that. My understanding is that it is under investigation.
I don't know enough more. I don't know enough to
say anything more about the legal aspect of it. But
as you know, as a citizen in New Hampshire, I
serve two terms in that house and New Hampshire State
House is the oldest state house in the country that
still operates in its original chambers, like our House and
Senate still meet in the same exact place they did
when the building was built, when the country before or
the country was even a country really in a sense,
you know when and there's a huge history with France
and everything's there's really a rich, rich history in New
Hampshire when it comes to that stuff. And one of
the things about New Hampshire is that we pride ourselves
on being a place that everybody has the right to
be heard. You'll hear that said in the New Hampshire
House if if there's starts to get too loud or
something like that, the chair will say the member has
a right to be heard, so to the people, and
the people have a right to be heard. These guys
have a right to free speech. They expressed it. We
didn't inhibit that. We have the right of free speech
to drown out hate. And that is how we chose
to deal with it, and I think it was a
very appropriate way and I absolutely commend everybody. That was
an excellent, excellent event. In the end, we had a
wonderful protest, had excellent protest. They didn't achieve their goal.
Speaker 3: We had to mention that picture is a courtesy of
Andrew Vorhees. By the way, our friend Andrew Vorhees, yes,
who was recently with us on the Hanging Left podcast
and on Matt Connerton Unleashed as well on the radio
version that we do on Saturdays at w M and
H and talking about the picture, and so they used
his picture in the article.
Speaker 2: He is a photo journalist and he he took he
took some excellent photographs and I've seen other pieces of
his work. Yeah, and he is an excellent photographer. I'm
super happy to have met him and now have him
among our ranks. You know, young man with a head
on his shoulders. It's very good. He's very compassionate and
he wants to help make sure that he records what's
going on. That nothing is done in the dark. And
that's another big thing about New Hampshire. You know, politics
shouldn't be in the dark. We're the only I don't
I don't know we're the only state, but I know
we're rare in the sense that any bill that's introduced
in the State of New Hampshire will go all the
way through the process and will get a vote by
the entire body. There's no such thing as a pocket veto.
There's no such thing as a committee kill in that regard.
Everything goes to the floor for a vote. So New
Hampshire has a unique perspective in that way, and I
like it and I'm proud of it, and I'm proud
to be a part of it, and I'm proud of
the way the people of New Hampshire responded to these fools.
And they all have their heads covered in these black socks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they.
Speaker 2: Look like can you look at these guys. They look
like they're trying to rob a bank or something like.
And they all have matching shades.
Speaker 3: On because you know, they don't don't want black gloves.
Speaker 4: Oh, they don't want anybody to know what they really
think it work?
Speaker 2: Why not? I think, I why not? Why Why aren't
you proud of your belief? Why do you hide it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: That's my question.
Speaker 3: Well, that feeds into their victimhood though, you know, because
you'll you'll often hear people who have their point of view,
they'll they'll talk about and even people who don't have
their point of view, uh to that extreme talk about this.
You know, there's a lot of white victimhood. Oh you know,
I as a white person. I'm so put upon, poor me.
You know, there's a lot of that in concern in
modern conservatism and uh you know so, so it feeds
into that to them because you know, for them to
take it to this extreme, they're the ultimate victims, right,
you know, because that's what's really underneath this is is
a lot of weak you know, they think they're strong
and powerful because they're standing up to they're standing up
against diversity and whatever, but but they're actually very weak. Uh.
These are the these are the weakest of the week. Uh.
These these people who hide their identities and spread hate
because it comes from a place of deep, deep insecurity.
They feel threatened. They feel threatened living in a world
that is not some sort of ethno state where everyone
doesn't look and think and act exactly and speak exactly
like them. They feel threatened by that. So this is
their way of lashing out. And it's and it's just
it's weakness at its absolute, its absolute, most pathetic degree.
These people are beyond pathetic.
Speaker 2: But in that same vein Remember, some of these people
have money behind them, and those same people are doing
things like doing gene editing to have whiter babies, yeah,
to have athletic babies. You know, this is these are
things that they are backing one hundred percent and that
that's something that should concern us. That's something that we
should worry about. I believe, you know, I worry about
Robert Kennedy being in charge of our nation's healthcare in
meta Care, and he wants to put a data and
registry together of all artistic Americans. He believes they should
all be in a database. Yeah, this is what We're
gonna have a database because that's not familiar to you,
you know what I mean. The thing I always wonder
with these people, and I'd love to know what their
answer would be to me when they do their ancestry
and that pie chot comes up and you're a mutt
because you know, you're a little Scholarsh, a little Welsh,
maybe a little Italian. Maybe you're a mutt. You're genetically
a mutt because your pie has got plenty of color.
Speaker 3: The vast majority of people, I believe this firmly, the
vast majority of people in the United States who are
white are most likely not as white as they think
that they are.
Speaker 2: Correct, And you know, and the thing that from my
perspective Ashazi Jew. Now go look at some of the
people in my family tree and their pie chart on ancestry.
It's one color's one color. So if you want to
get down to genetic purity, right, is it the pie
chart that's one color, or is it the pie chot
that's a little purple, little green, a little blue, little gray,
a little this, a little Spanish, a little that, because
that's what their pie shots look like.
Speaker 3: Well, the other thing too, is and nobody really mentions
this part, but this is this is another reason why
these people are so dumb and they're they're just shoveling
shit against the tide. Because obviously you can't stop diversity,
what you also cannot stop genetically is you know, sometimes
they've even used the phrase, like people like Tucker Carlson
and Laura Ingram, for example, have even gone as far
as using the phrase the browning of America. Yes, what
you can you can't. You can't stop it. But what
you also cannot stop is the in a broader sense,
the browning of the global population. Here's the thing, and
this is what these people don't get. There is an inevitability.
This is just a simple fact humanity as a whole
over time, you know, and we won't see it. It'll
be long after we're gone. But over time, the human
race is going to continue to get darker and darker overall.
In a broad sense, you can't stop it. The reason
being whiteness. Genetically, whiteness is a recessive trait. Light skin
is a recessive trait. Dark skin is a dominant trait.
So that is why when you have when when two
people have a child, typically you know if one of
them is white and one of them is black, you
know the child is going to have darker skin. So
so you know, the white ethno state that these people
fantasize about. It's it's never going to happen, not not
just because not just because of diversity, but because just genetically,
the global population is going to get darker over time.
So so again that everything that these people put their
energy into is so not only is it harmful and
destructive and hateful, it's completely pointless. There's no point to
any of it. It's so bizarre.
Speaker 2: I'm going to completely disagree with you in an aspect
that I believe they do know it, they do see it,
and that's exactly what they're trying to stop.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I agree with you, that is what they're
trying to stop. But I don't think they but I
don't what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 3: But but what I'm saying is they're too dumb to
realize you cannot possibly, like I said, shoveling shit against
the tide, you can't stop the ocean, and you can't stop,
you know, the genetic inevitability of what is already happening,
what has been happening, and what will continue to happen.
They're they're so they're so just consumed with their own hate.
They can't think logically and realize not only is what
they're doing hateful, but it's but it's also completely pointless,
the pointlessness of it. They're oblivious to it, and you know,
and and.
Speaker 2: Well from our perspective, absolutely, but I think that if
they would be happy to have a you know, like
we'll talk about that. Actually, well, I don't want to
get too much into the the weeds on that, because
we're going to talk about some of that stuff a
little bit later. But now put the fact that this
is what's going on and now it's in government. Robert
Kennedy was very clear with his beliefs that the COVID
nineteen illness was bio engine nerd to kill everybody but
Jewish people and the Chinese. So yeah, and then he
went further to state that vaccine mandates are worse than
an Frank's persecution. I know, and I can give you
the citations, well we can, you know, actually the citations
are in my article if you want to go look
at it. Yeah, on Common Dreams. If you go to
Common Dreams, you'll see my article there and you can
go to the links and you can see the information
to back it up that these facts that I'm telling
you are real and true. The video of RFK Junior,
he's at a dinner or so, he's sitting at a
table with group of people, and he's very clear, very
clear in that belief. And these are there people that
are now running the country and are in very key positions,
and we should be very concerned about that. And I'm
very concerned about anybody who would say these are the
same Nazis. And I got about calling them Nazis by
the way, because they are Nazis and they are little Nazis,
Like look at the picture, ask them yourselves there Nazis
proud they were doing that. I had somebody attack me
for saying that. Of course, I just want to be
very clear that they were Nazis.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well yeah, I mean, any anytime you you
post anything like that, there's always going to be people
who just, uh, you know, I always I make fun
of them, I say, you know, because they'll tell you, oh, no,
that's a hateful ideology and I don't agree with it,
and and they're bad people. And then they go and
then they see on social media, you know, they'll say, yeah, no, no,
I hate Nazis. They're terrible. Oh wait a minute, Oh
Nazis are being criticized on social media. Oh shit. I
got to get on there and defend these Nazis. It's like,
you know, oh, I don't agree with them, but oh
but I don't think they should be criticized for any reason.
I got to defend these Nazis.
Speaker 2: So you know, we have a president who said they're
very fine people, and these are the same people who
march through the streets of Charlottesville chanting Jews will not
replace us. Matter of fact, if you watch the video
of that, there is a man that will show up
in that video and his nickname is the crying Nazi.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Christopher Kiddy from New Hampshires are quite familiar
with that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he was from New Hampshire. He's actually in
federal prison for something entirely different.
Speaker 3: I think, oh is he he fell off my radar.
Speaker 4: I think he ended up in jailed, but don't quote
me on that part.
Speaker 2: But the video literally saying Jews will not replace us,
the very fine people that Trump was referring to, and
there's the guy, so you know, yeah, forgive me if
I'm a bit concerned that the President of the United
States thinks that people who say you should not replace
us and thinks that I should you know, not exist
in this world are verifying people, and that the Secretary
of of of Health and Human Services, you know, buys
into this. So, uh, can you blame me for having
some concerns when Nazis starts showing up in broad daylight
in front of our state house, matching down the street
and then assault somebody in broad daylight and then they
climb into a back of a truck dive off, can
you you know? And then and then we got now, okay,
so add to that pie, this germanesque pie of things
that are piling up. The fact that we now have
an executive order that says that you can to take
people and put them in jail for being homeless, take
people and force them into a mental health facility, and
even if they really do need mental health, if there's
no bed, then put them in jail and hold them indefinitely.
That's a thing. Now, can we take anything more out
of the German playbook? You know, we're we're imprisoning people
for being homeless. We're talking, we're reinstitutionalizing people who have
mental health issues rather than actually getting them the health
care they need to be fair.
Speaker 3: To be fair, criminalizing poverty is not new. It's just
being taken to a new extreme. But it's not new.
I mean, oh, I know your found ways to punish
people our own our own.
Speaker 2: City here in Manchester. If you get caught being homeless
on a park with the tent or looking like you're
sleeping there, they can give you a ticket. Now because
you know being homeless and isn't obvious. You don't have
money bad enough, I'm not going to give you a ticket.
Then when you don't pay your ticket, you start racking
up stuff for that. So then you can get a
bed toward it because you didn't page ticket. So now
you get arrested the next time you're caught being homeless.
And that's right here in our city. That already exists.
That already exists right here in our city. So this
is a nationwide decree to jail people who are homeless
and who have mental health issues and will force them
into a institution.
Speaker 3: I'm I gotta say something about this that nobody ever
brings up, but this is well documented. I don't know why.
This is one of those things that nobody ever brings up,
and I don't know why, but I like to say
this whenever the subject comes up for people who don't know,
there is a large percentage. I mean, estimates vary, but
there is a large percentage of homeless people in this country.
And wherever you're watching or listening to this, in your
city or here in Manchester where we are, there's a
percentage of homeless people who are veterans. Why do I
mention that because the Veterans Administration, while it does very
well for some people, a lot of people fall through
the cracks. A lot of people end up homeless because
they have to take pain medication that they get through
the VA because of what happened to them during their
military service serving our country. And then one day they
get cut off and after resort to street drugs and
it becomes you know, and they just fall fall down
the hole and then they wind up homeless.
Speaker 2: And add to that the fact that they've also recently
cut veteran services on mental health and they've literally taken
mental health clinicians and put them in a telemarketing like
room where they're all talking to clients openly in this room. Right.
Speaker 3: But I'm bringing this up for a very specific reason
because there's a particular look people who like to bash homeless,
people who like to make fun of them, who like
to talk about them as though they're trash that just
needs to be swept away somewhere. They tend to be
of a certain political ideology, right. You know, you don't
hear liberals talk in that way. But the same people
who are the cruelest in their condemnation of people who
are homeless are typically the same people who like to
wrap themselves in the flag, who like to act like
they're more patriotic than the rest of us, and who
love to talk about how important it is to honor
and support and take care of veterans. So I want
the people who do that. I want the people who
think it's cool to kick, hopefully not literally but figuratively,
or perhaps they fantasize about kicking them literally, homeless people
when they're down. Just understand something you might be talking
about a veteran when you do that. So anyone who
thinks it's cool to be assholes to homeless people, just
understand you might be assholes to people who served their country.
And then, because we have a long history of discarding
people when they leave the military and not giving them
the help and support that they need, and that is
well documented. You can trace that all the way back
to World War One, when our veterans were not given
things and support and help that they were promised. So
just understand if you're a conservative who loves to wrap
yourself in the flag and talk about how veterans are
so important because the military is so important and we
need hon our veterans, and you would also just as
soon spit on a homeless person as even acknowledge their
existence or give them any sort of dignity. Understand that
you've got a conflict happening there, because that might be
that might very well be a veteran that you're doing
that too. And I will say this every single time
this subject comes up, because nobody ever says it, and
I don't know why, but a lot of homeless people
are veterans who fell through the cracks. So you know,
people who just mistreat them, you know, I understand if
you don't want to give them money. I don't give
them money. Okay, I don't have a lot of extra
money to just be given out to people. But I
would never I would never disrespect a homeless person. I
would never talk down to them. I would never be
mean to them and nothing like that, you know, I
mean unless they came at me. Right, They're a human beings,
child number one. They're a human being and you don't
know their story. You don't know how they got there,
you don't know what happened to them. But part of
that too is also just so you know, conservatives who
think it's cool to go around shitting on homeless people.
That homeless person that you think is a piece of shit,
they might be a veteran who fell through the cracks.
And we all know veterans who fell through the cracks.
So just something to consider.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when I was an EMT, I can
tell you I responded to a number of veterans who
needed help and who fell through the cracks, and the
VA didn't take care of And they should have never
ended up with me because they weren't being taken care
of right by the VA. But now put that into
perspective too, even just locally right here, right when the
rents went crazy, we saw a fifty percent increase in
homelessness of one year. But people's rent went up not
fifty bucks or even one hundred, they went up two hundred,
three hundred, four hundred and five hundred dollars all at once. Yeah,
that's a whole new paycheck.
Speaker 3: How do you keep your home right?
Speaker 2: And then you only got the one or two jobs
are already working. You can't just make the money come
out of thin air. You've got to come from somewhere,
like when it happened with us. I cut my infusions,
I started rationing my care. But I was lucky enough
to be able to do that, right, Like, I was
lucky that I could do that and not end up homeless,
because I was scared. That's where we were going to go,
and and that happened to so many people. And it's
happening more and more every day because you look at
everything that's getting built up, these apartments all across the country.
I don't care where you live when my parents are
the same thing. These apartments that are getting built are
so expensive that the average person can't necessarily afford it.
And more and more people are ending up homeless every
single day, not because they're.
Speaker 6: Lazy, not because they don't have a job and a paycheck,
but because they can't afford to actually live someplace, because
greed has gotten so out of control in this country.
Speaker 3: Well, we need uh. By the way, hello to a
Miriam Banish who joins us online. Hi, Mariam, we need
we need to.
Speaker 2: Do what I see Isaac in there too.
Speaker 3: Whatever it takes, whatever it takes for a national push
for and it's probably never gonna happen, but whatever it
takes for a tremendous national push for more affordable housing.
I say, you know, offer the biggest tax break in
the world to anyone who wants to build an apartment
complex that is for affordable working class people. Just do it.
Just do whatever it takes, because this is a problem
that's been building up, and you're right, and homelessness.
Speaker 2: Is the housing does this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, homelessness has been on a huge increase across the country.
So uh yeah, whatever, whatever you have to do, you know,
to fix it, fix it. And you know, the Republican
Party is never going to do it because they don't
give a shit, and the Democratic Party is too incompetent
to if they even bothered, even bothered to have seen
this coming. So they've they've not done a damn thing
about it either.
Speaker 2: So you know, what they're doing is actually increasing more
the wage gap between the average working family and these
these one percenters. Like he's all the tax all the
tax cuts for people who make a ton of money
are still in effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the subsidies.
Speaker 2: That we're going to the exchange, people could afford health
insurance instead of it being eight hundred, nine hundred thousand
dollars a month for health insurance, go to the exchange
and be able to get it for maybe one hundred
dollars because of a subsidy. Those are not getting renewed.
That's gone. So next year you might see up to
a fifty percent increase in your health care premium just
to have health insurance off the exchange that they're doing
to us, the average working, the working people are paying
more taxes than these rich fox ever pay. Yeah, of course,
and there's so many of them they and Trump even said, ah,
I used the loopholes.
Speaker 4: You know, if it's there, he's gonna jump through it.
Speaker 2: Years ago he said that it's And all they're doing
is big, not even worse. Right, We're not investing in housing,
we're not investing in transportation, we're not investing in our
own infrastructure. We're building concentration camps. We're spending millions of
dollars flying people out of this country who were working hard,
card paying taxes. They literally took an ice cream man
out of his truck, who was the ice creamman of
this community for over twenty some odd years, didn't have
a single solitary run in with the police ever, was
here legally, had a working had permission to work because
he need taxes, had his green card and everything. And
that's the thing that I don't I feel like people
don't necessarily grasp the people are getting kicked out of
this country aren't the worst of the worst. They're not
criminals that are on the lamb hiding because but they're
literally taking people away and saying we're revoking your green card,
and they're even talking we're going to revoke your naturalized citizenship.
Speaker 3: Right, They're changing the rules in the middle of the
game just to just to get people out, because they
know that the base loves that time.
Speaker 2: An American citizen is not necessarily something you get to keep.
Speaker 4: You can lose it on a whim of.
Speaker 2: A signature, not a legislative action, not something that went
through the system through Congress, like it's supposed to do
in a democracy, but by a signature.
Speaker 3: Well, fortunately, it does look like in terms of ending
birthright citizenship, it looks like Trump has hit a wall
as far as that goes. But hopefully that.
Speaker 2: Would make him not a citizen. His parents were immigrants,
that would make him not a citizen. He's first generation,
is that true?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, his mother I think was born in Scotland. Yeah,
he was, he was born here, not his parents.
Speaker 3: Well, the rules wouldn't apply to him anyway, because they
you know, well, you know, Mega thinks he was chosen
by God, and we're.
Speaker 2: Not going to raise the minimum wage. What's it at seven?
I think federal minimum.
Speaker 3: It's been seven twenty five for as long as I can.
Speaker 2: Five is the minimum that you can pay somebody. So
you can't make enough money to actually rent an apartment,
or if you can rent an apartment, you can't eat
like nobody can break, nobody can live on seven twenty five.
And when you allow somebody who makes twenty five million
dollars a year to pay his worker seven dollars and
then bitch because you know his worker eats food stamps
so they could actually have some food and they're on
a healthcare subsidy. Why because the rich prick won't pay
him a littable wage. And that all of this plays in,
All of this plays in I mean to bring it
back to to where we were, says, I know, we're
gonna move on to something else, but you know, this
call to make America great again is absolutely un American.
It's absolutely un american, and it it encourages people like
these blood tribe Nazis to show up at capitals like
ours and try to intimidate people and to assault somebody
down the street and spray somebody with pepper spray. That's
what they do, right, And they're gonna win unless all
of us stand up and and and you know that's
my call to action. I need you to join me.
I can't know this on my own. It's going to
take all of us to save our democracy at this
point and to make sure that people like these don't
win in the long run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed. Oh uh, let's see Cyclon Dessenta joins
us in the chatroom and says good afternoon. Hashtag Matt
and hashtag Jen. We are a singing group, quartet, man band, quintet.
I assume they're from Greensboro, North Carolina.
Speaker 4: They want to be right, Yes, hi Isaac.
Speaker 3: Alrighty oh uh we just heard about what's going on.
Uh this Trump dude, We say, yes, we've missed our
friends in Greensboro.
Speaker 2: It's been a bit.
Speaker 3: Well, they're usually there. They're usually there on Saturday mornings
during the radio. Get to their their comments. But very good,
very good. Uh so the the other the big thing
that we wanted to discuss today. Uh, this would be
the main event, as we say on the Tough Bumps podcast,
which I'm gonna be doing with Eric later. But yeah,
Doug Wilson, this guy who I didn't even really know about,
until recently, but apparently he is Pete, what's up?
Speaker 2: You know why because you're not a woman.
Speaker 3: Well, Pete HeiG Seth, Uh, who is, of course our
secretary of defense, is a member of Doug Wilson's church,
and I guess recently uh shared out I should uh,
I should grab the wee grab grab the video here
of the we could play the ap story.
Speaker 7: Defense Secretary Pete haig Seth recently made headlines when he
shared a C and N video on social media about
the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, an arch conservative network
of Christian congregations where he's a member. The video included
its pastors arguing women should not have the right to vote.
Speaker 8: I was very grateful to him for doing that. He
didn't just repost it like, oh, here's an interesting thing
that these weird people are doing. He reposted it and
he himself said all of Christ for all of life,
which is the tagline that we use.
Speaker 3: So now, by the way, if Pete hag Seth had
said this is an interesting thing that these weird people
are doing, that would have been appropriate, but he did
not say that. He seems to be expressing support for
pastor Wilson, and again, what's that.
Speaker 2: It's more than that.
Speaker 3: More than that. Yeah, so he more.
Speaker 2: Than that because that statement that he made, Yeah, that
statement is is not just like something he's pulling out
a thin air. That statement refers to the belief that
first we get the Christian nation, then we get the
Christian concept, then we go for the world. They want
a Christian world. The ultimate endgame is to convert everybody
right a.
Speaker 8: Little more reposting it and saying amen at some level.
Speaker 7: Pastor Doug Wilson, the network's co founder, is no stranger
to controversy with his church's embrace of patriarchy and Christian nationalism.
They are a network of over one hundred and thirty
churches and have recently opened a new church in Washington,
d C. With heg Seth attending its first Sunday service.
Speaker 8: This is the first time we've had connections with as
many people in national government as we do now. But
this is not this is not an ecclesiastical lobbying effort
where we're trying to meet important people. We're trying to
give some of these people an opportunity to meet with God.
Speaker 7: Wilson's church in the wider network believe in practice the.
Speaker 3: Idea I would like a chance to meet with God.
I mean I have questions, you know, like I've always
wondered what does he look like and does he have
a long white beer?
Speaker 7: Men and women have different roles, and women should not
hold church leadership positions.
Speaker 8: My wife votes, my daughters vote. If people rush to
conclusions from what they heard on the CNN piece, that's
a sad thing. At the same time, I think that
the Nineteenth Amendment was a bad idea, and I had
no problem with how Pastor Jared answered the question. I
would support that. Our issue is not is not a
problem with the enfranchisement of women. Our problem is with
the disenfranchisement of the household.
Speaker 3: Now, just to clarify what he means, his position and
the position of the church is that there should be
one vote per household, and of course the person casting
the vote would be the head of the household. And
I think we all know when we refer to the
head of the household, we know who Pastor Wilson has
in mind. Right, men, that's right, that's not too clear.
Speaker 7: Follow his church's example.
Speaker 8: So in our church elections, households vote, and that includes
some women. As heads of households. But ordinarily, when you
have a conservative Christian family, the head of the household
is the is the husband and father, and he's the
one who casts the vote. But he's voting on behalf
of the whole household. The issue is not keeping females
from voting. The issue for us is we want households
to have a say.
Speaker 3: There is a little bit of a loophole in there
for him because uh, you know, he because I think
in a separate piece and a longer video, or it
might even even been because we did watch the piece
on CNN, which by the way, Doug Wilson did acknowledge
that he thought it was fair. He didn't think that
a lot of them that it was fair. Yeah, it
was fair and balanced because they did present all sides.
But but the loophole being see, he can say, he
can say, we're not saying we oppose women voting because uh,
he sort of acknowledges that not every household, you know,
so for example, if you have a household where there's
a mom but but the father has passed away, for ex.
Speaker 2: That's what he said, Yeah, it's a widow, you get
to vote.
Speaker 3: So that's why he gets to say that. That's why
he can say, well, we're not opposed to women voting.
Speaker 2: What's that there's no divorce in that kind of Christianity.
Speaker 3: Well that's true, but but if somebody died, like if.
Speaker 2: You watch the full CNN and they also have an
extended version if you go on YouTube, Yeah, the full
thirty minute version that has all. But they interview a
couple of the heads of his church and they reiterate
the belief that men are in charge, women are subservient.
And if that's not enough for you to believe it,
they then go to a couple and the woman openly says,
I am subservient to him, that she's submissive. She used
the word submissive, that she's submissive to him. And that
is part of the control and this crazy Christianity. Right,
where as a woman, you are less than the man.
You're not as smart as the man. God didn't build
you to carry this load, this weight. Don't let your
husband handle those the household difficulty things. You know, you
keep the house, you raise the kid, but you don't
make decisions. You know, you can have an opinion, but
the ultimate decision is made by the man, right, and
is it is. And as a woman, I was once
married for a very long time and in and there
was a time in my life when I had converted
to Christianity and believed in a very strict Christianity.
Speaker 3: And a strict version of it. We should just be clear,
just to be fair. I don't think a majority of
Christians actually would follow Doug Wilson, but Pete Sache, but
a member, a high ranking member of our government does.
And that's why we're talking about this, just to.
Speaker 2: Make exactly yeah, because I want people to like, this
is a it's it's it's a it's like getting infected
with something right, and you, as a woman, you firmly
believe that you're doing what God is telling you to do,
and you want to go to Heaven. Right. So I
believed that if I wasn't a godly woman, I wouldn't
get to see the people that I loved again. I
was very attached to that idea of being able to
see the people that I loved who died, and the
idea of that not being real was so devastating to
me that the first time somebody really challenged me on it,
I collapsed and just bawled my eyes out, and it
was like, but if you're right, there's nothing. If I'm right,
I get to be with the people I love. So
any suffering that I am enduring in this world is
required of me to get the reward of going to heaven.
So whenever my husband had done or said or made
certain rules or whatever that I followed, that's where it
was coming from. And it was a very very strong
I was a Sunday school teacher. We went to church
every Sunday. I read the bo I had a woman's
study guides. I can remember going to I would volunteer
for at the Christian camps as because I was an EMT,
I would volunteer to be part of their medical staff.
And I would bawl my eyes out over tearing over
these books. Why don't I get it? Like every Why
can't I feel it? Like everybody else says? Why is it.
Speaker 3: Believe?
Speaker 2: But why can't I feel what everybody else does? Why?
And I you know, it's because there's something wrong with me? Right,
And that's powerful. That's the most powerful thing in the
world when you think about it, like if you upset
this God, then you're going to burn and everlasting hell.
You'll never see the people you love again. And I
couldn't live with that at the time. And I firmly
believed that I may not. No one understand why these
things are written, but God has a reason.
Speaker 3: Right right, well they have you know, the Lord works
and with serious ways, which is kind of a catch
all explanation for everything. Right.
Speaker 2: So this, this belief system exists in different ways, but
now this situation has catapulted it. This It came out
of a belief in like Calvinism, and they've and remember
now Doug created this ship. He's the founder of this
He this is his own faith that he created within
this church. And now he's got other locations and they
just opened one in DC. Yeah, to have one near
the capital and heg Seth has already gone there.
Speaker 5: To go to church, and and he's very and Doug
is very clear that the nineteenth Amendment, which is the
woman's right.
Speaker 2: To vote, should be repealed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, women should not have the.
Speaker 2: Right to vote.
Speaker 4: He says that it was the stake to have.
Speaker 2: Ever given the woman the right to vote. So put
the religion, the beliefs, and now put this stuff stacking up, right,
We're going to get rid of women's rights. Men are
going to rule the world. Only men in leadership. That's
a big eie too. Oh yeah, and heg Seth is
very big on that. He doesn't. You know, you look,
they don't. None of them have women in leadership because
women are too weak, too stupid fill in the blank.
You're not as smart as a man. You can't do it.
That's their opinion.
Speaker 3: We should for anyone who if you're not familiar with
this guy, like I said, I was not familiar with
this guy before, got a couple other clips here that
I can show that just kind of.
Speaker 8: So let us talk about women voting, shall we? Back
in the battle days before the nineteenth Amendment, the men
were considered to be the heads of their households and
represented their families at the ballot box. So what happened
when their wives were granted suffrage. Let's take a typical
presidential election to illustrate it, using the first one inteen
t after women's suffrage was accomplished, the election between Warren
Harding and James Cox. If both the husband and wife
vote for Harding, say, then what you've done is simply
multiplied the number of total votes cast for him by two.
And if the husband votes for Harding, say, and the
wife votes for Cox, Then what you've done is cancel
out the voice of that particular household upon discovering how
they were each going to vote. What would be the
harm if the two of them just stayed at home
for a quiet dinner together in order to cancel out
one another's vote. That way, where was the great progress
supposed to be?
Speaker 3: He's really reaching to make this argument.
Speaker 2: Makes he interchanges the world household for man. Yeah, remember that,
Remember that every time he uses the word household, it's
about the man.
Speaker 3: There's also but there's also a flaw in his logic.
Well here, let me play a little bit more of this.
Speaker 2: Not like men who don't have families can't vote? How
hold is bullshit?
Speaker 3: Right? Right? Yeah, good point, But there's another flaw here.
But let me let me just play a little bit
more of this to be located.
Speaker 8: The net effect of women's suffrage was not an advance
in women's rights, but rather part of a push to
replace covenanted entities like families with raw individualism. An overweening
state greatly prefers governing an atimistic populace where each individual's
like a bebe thrown into an electoral sack. There's no
structural or rigidity to it. Especially after laxity in the
law concerning porn, pot and poker has now greased all
the bebes. Nothing coheres anymore. In the older system, the
people were grouped in molecules Birch's little platoons, some of
them quite complex, and molecular societies are much more capable
of resisting the demands of statism. So the suffrage movement
was actually not taking up the cause of women, but
rather was part of a long sustained war on the family.
The nature of this kind of thinking says that a
decision to abort a child is a decision between a
woman and her doctor. The father of the child is
stripped of any legal ability to protect the life of
his own legitimate child. We need to retrace all of
our steps in order to discover how travesty like that
could ever happen, And when we do, we discover the
ol A lot of it started at Seneca fault.
Speaker 3: Now, the thing that I don't understand is so about
his his logic. I mean, aside from obviously I disagree
with his position, but I also there's something about how
he gets there that I don't quite understand. So if
you've got because he uses this example, so if you've
got two if you've got two people in a household,
if you've got a man and a woman who both
vote the same way, you've effectively doubled the vote the
voting power of that household. Whereas if they vote, if
they if the two households vote differently, then they've effectively
canceled out each other's vote. Like, look, I'm not good
at math, but why why does that even? Why does
any of that even matter? Because what if you have so.
Speaker 2: What if you collection of votes that counts.
Speaker 3: But what if you have two if you have two
people in a household. Though, So, if you have two
people in a household and they both vote the same way,
and they both vote the way you want them to do,
right if if you're a conservative and you've got a
conservative couple and they both vote the same way, yeah,
maybe you've doubled the voting power of that household. But
in that case, that's a good thing, right for you,
if they voted the way you want them to vote.
So it's kind of like, so, for lack of a
better way of putting it, I guess what I'm saying
is in response to his argument about doubling the voting
power of a household and whatnot. Who fucking cares. In
the end, what does it matter.
Speaker 2: It matters that women are having a power over a man. Well,
that's the thing matters, But.
Speaker 3: He's not presenting it that way.
Speaker 2: That woman's vote might cause the candidate that she likes
to win, and she's not going to obey her husband.
Speaker 3: That's what he means. But that's not going to.
Speaker 4: Obey husband, then she's counting. She's killing his.
Speaker 2: Vote because she's not obeying him. But when she is
obeying him, she's giving him an abundance. But we don't
want to allow either one of those. We only want
the men to vote. Remember he doesn't say that a
man who doesn't have a wife and kids can't vote,
of course, he says household vote. A man is a household.
A woman is not anything right unless she's under some
man's roof, then she's part of his household. The only
exception to the rule is when a woman is allowed
to be in her own head of household because her
husband died. But you never divorce.
Speaker 4: Divorce is an absolute sin.
Speaker 2: And now broaden this. So this is where we are
right and now we have a faith Office in the
White House Christianity only. We have a task force that
is supposed to weed out any anti Christian bias in
we have a Religious Liberty Commission. These things didn't exist
before Trump because we we recognized it in well Christian initiative,
and we didn't have we didn't have a woman in
the White House under this faith office, who, by the way,
thinks she can move a hurricane with a stick.
Speaker 3: Oh, Paula White, Yeah, she's a lunatic.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: But but I'm just saying, though, like this isn't this
isn't all new, because we we did see some of
this to a to a small extent during the George W.
Bush administration. And that's part not like this, No, but
that's part of the reason why, because if you remember conservative.
Speaker 2: Offensive that you were, Because I feel like Bush is
an entirely different Republican than Trump.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, in a lot of don't.
Speaker 2: You think there's I don't think that the aspects of
that are are similar in any way.
Speaker 3: No, but I'm just saying, though the roots of this
did pre exist Trump Trump because not actually.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, it did.
Speaker 2: You got to go every other than that, You got
to go back to Nixon and Reagan because that's when
we had prayer in schools.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no Reagan. Yeah, well we never had in
public school.
Speaker 2: Yes we did.
Speaker 3: There was a push for it, there was always Okay,
I went to elementary school.
Speaker 2: In the beginning of the day, we all did the
present allegiance and then there was a in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there was a prayer.
Speaker 2: Time and the Jewish kids and the Jehovah's Witness kids
were were in the hallway.
Speaker 3: That really surprises me.
Speaker 2: In the classroom, it didn't last long.
Speaker 3: That surprises me, but that happened. Okay, No, but my point,
my point was, My point was though that there was
like we saw a lot of this. The reason Christian Conservatives,
for example, they embraced W but they didn't they never
trusted his father. And the reason they never trusted his
father is because Bush Senior was resistant to the Christian right.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: He he kept them in arms length, whereas W embraced them.
And he did have I don't remember specifically, but he
did have some faith based initiative stuff going.
Speaker 2: On during little pitily things. It wasn't anything that was
going to amount to something somebody getting in trouble or anything.
These guys are actually literally out to get people because
they have the power. Now, Oh, you're anti Christian, I'm
going to sue you for Like this is where we're
at right now, right yeah, And.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just I'm just saying because.
Speaker 2: I have religion and government periodscussion. And when you ask
people like, you know, I mean, this is the pastor
that we're talking about. Is the kind of person who's
leading these people that are doing these things right? Who
they want this country to have? What did he say?
He wanted Jesus to be the head of the country
basically was his thing. And and he said that Muslim.
Speaker 4: What do you say about Islamic faith?
Speaker 2: Was I don't know what he's everybody else's faith is heresy,
but their version of Christianity. Right, that's literally outside the
Oval office now, And that concerns me. And when you
say you're going to go target people that you consider
anti Christian, what does that really look like? How is
that going?
Speaker 4: And is there anything going on that we don't even
know yet?
Speaker 2: Like because this exists, we know it exists. What are
they doing?
Speaker 3: Miriam Banish says in Texas they had a moment of
silence when she was there two thousand and three to
two thousand and seven. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't
know that was actively happening anywhere. I always hear Christian
conservatives talk about that like it's like a compromise. It's like, well,
if you're not gonna have prayer in school, I remember
that you didn't.
Speaker 2: You didn't have the moment of silent thing either. We
had that afterwards. I mean we had a long time.
We had pledge of allegiance, moment of silence announcements.
Speaker 3: Just just to clarify, though, So I went to a
Catholic school, Saint john'san Conquered from grade two to grade eight. Now,
starting in ninth grade, I went to public school. It's
possible there was something. I doubt it, though.
Speaker 2: But if you missed it, it's it's happening, then you're
only a year younger than me.
Speaker 3: I doubt it was happening.
Speaker 2: This was happening.
Speaker 3: I doubt it was happening, even in public school in
New Hampshire. But but it could have been. It could
have been, and I just missed it. It certainly wasn't
happening because in ninth grade. Uh, in ninth grade, I
started going to public school, and there was nothing even
approaching anything like that in public school and conquered when
I was in when I was in public school. But
there could have been something that I just was never
exposed to. That's certainly possible.
Speaker 2: When I was in when we moved, when I'm one
of the moves I had, I am was it eighth
grade or seventh grade? See this seventh Oh, it's the
eighth grade. I ended up in a school where I
was one of only two Jewish kids in the school.
It was an overcrowded school back then. The schools were
packed and we weren't on half day sessions where they
used to do this thing when they often night of
the days. But you could only walk around the school
in one direction because it was that fall was that bad.
And at Christmas time, I guess they had always traditionally
just had like Christmas stuff up, but now that they
had two Jewish kids, and I made an offhanded remock
once about you know, I see all the Christma stuff,
how come there's nothing Bahanka? All of a sudden there was,
and I was like the pariah. Yeah, yeah, and then
we did. Hanka got added to the Christmas program and
they stopped calling it the Christmas thing not long after
that and started calling it the Fall Concert or whatever.
Speaker 4: But it was called the Christmas leg it.
Speaker 2: You know. I think about that stuff and how uncomfortable
it was. And then we moved so far past that
people expressing themselves and having their own face, and now
here we are and all of that progress is being
completely stripped away m hm, piece by peace. And I
worry that this Christian nationalist, uber uber right wing is
going to do irreparable harm that we can't undo. I mean,
there's already so much going on. I mean, it's these
belief systems that endorse the the belief that we should
pull people out of their car because they look Mexican
and find out if they're really if they care legally
or not, and that we as a society had a
long time ago said nobody in law enforcement should be
able to what was the word I'm word searching here,
what was the word for it? When you when you
highlight somebody you're looking for a particular rates profiling? Thank you.
Remember that was a big deal. It was in the
news and they did away with racial profiling. We weren't
going to allow that in law enforcement. Now now we're
encouraging it. You know, now we're encouraging it. And that
certainly isn't going to affect the uh, you know, the
white africata, but it's sures heck is going to affect
anybody whose skin is slightly brown. Miriam looks slightly Asian.
Speaker 3: Miriam says. In the chat room, my autistic kid had
his hands held down on the table because he was
fidgeting during a moment of silence. So I assume this
was back in Texas. He wasn't making noise or hurting
anyone or damaging property, and they basically used a form
of restraint.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And and we're
and now that's being brought back up. I mean, you
go further with hegsas belief system. They believe that the
Constant not just they want the Constitution, it is one thing,
but they want the Ten Commandments in every classroom, and
they want prior in every classroom. And you know, the
every day should start with that. Every day should start
with praising an idol, and you know, professing Christian belief
his version of I want to clarify that his their
version of Christianity, because there are a lot of good
Christians out there that don't have these belief systems, right,
you know, who do believe that a woman shouldn't be
stripped of her individuality and be melded under the man
in her household, be it her father, her brother, her husband,
and these these people are in decision making positions now
that are setting laws that are literally putting people in
jail right in concentration styled camps.
Speaker 3: Miriam said in the chat, if someone isn't raised with religion,
how would they choose the religion the right religion.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the fallacy, and.
Speaker 3: That's the basic that's the giant gaping logic hole in religion.
Speaker 2: Let me let me dive into that little hole and
add to that, as somebody who wasn't raised in religion,
of things from different sides, it was very easy to
fall prey to somebody who said this is the right,
this is the way, the truth is the light. Yeah,
you know, nobody get it. You know, nobody gets to
the father up by me. You know, when somebody you
know is dearly beloved, he would say to us, Pastor
drol Dearly beloved. You know, I was seventeen when I
started going to that church, and this man convinced me
that this is the way to go.
Speaker 4: All the women wore dresses, never pants.
Speaker 2: In fact, I got seen in a pair of jeans,
and I felt shame h for being seed in jeans
out in public, right because they made me feel that way,
and the way the men carried themselves and the way
the women carried themselves. Especially yeah, as as somebody who
grew up with some serious issues, really crazy ass bad childhood,
and somebody who wasn't secure in our own femininity to
be around these women who are the ultimate feminine in
skirts and phrillies and only their wedding bands, and maybe
I don't think they wore any jewelry except the wedding band.
That's the woman I'm supposed to be, and I'm not.
What's wrong with me? My whole life was what's wrong
with me? Why I like? And that was such an
easy prey for right, I was really easy prey. And
I ended up carrying those beliefs for most of my life,
and my own thoughts would be pretty bad if I
caught myself sinning, and now they're running the country and
they're changing our classrooms, and they want the Bible in
the classroom, and they want the Ten Commandments on the wall,
and they want Christianity to rule over everything, including our governments.
And anybody who's Hindu or a Muslim or Jewish or
atheist or anything other than his brand is demon possessed.
Speaker 4: That's what he said. Demon that that pastor.
Speaker 2: And you've got I think we saw the video and
you guys, yeah, that might be the one.
Speaker 4: I don't or it might have been.
Speaker 2: No, it might not be because it was one I
was watching without you where he literally said, what's wrong
with the world is that is is this demon possession?
So base and that's part of what's right. So democrats
are demons? Oh yeah, ideology is Satan stew right. That's
what there's There's no more you know, people is people
talking to each other.
Speaker 3: I have a I have a family member who sends
me text messages that say things like that, and in
the same text message, he'll criticize me for my ad
hominem attacks on the right while he's calling me a
demon rat and saying I.
Speaker 2: Believe in them, calling you all.
Speaker 3: This other stuff. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: How one should talk to somebody you love, is.
Speaker 3: I do have I do have one more video here
of Pastor Wilson. I think we should grab this. Let's
see which one didn't I blow this one.
Speaker 8: I didn't play yet. Women are the kind of people
that people come out of.
Speaker 9: So you just think they're a bit to have babies there.
Speaker 8: No, it doesn't take any talent to simply reproduce biologically.
The wife and mother who is the chief executive of
the home is entrusted with three or four or five
eternal souls.
Speaker 3: I'm here as a working By the way, notice he
said three or four or five? Did you catch that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: I did, because because a big part of their deal
is a big part of their deal is have as
many children as possible. Yes, have as many children as possible.
That's a big that's a big part of.
Speaker 2: The correct children. Now, we got to give birth to
the right, the right children.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: That's why you have to get anybody who's brown out
of the country.
Speaker 3: Right. That must be. That must be what it is. Yeah,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's my theory. Anyway, why we're rounding up human beings
based on what they look like, right.
Speaker 9: A mom of three?
Speaker 8: Good for you?
Speaker 2: Is that an issue?
Speaker 8: No? No, it's not automatically an issue.
Speaker 10: Christ Church Senior past Wilson is the leader of a
Christian national movement that believes in a patriarchal society where
men are dominant and women are expected to submit to
their husbands. Josh and Amy Prince got, with their four
kids move from Washington State to Moscow, Idaho, where Wilson's
movement is based.
Speaker 2: Do you see Amy as your equal?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 2: And no, in the sense that we're both saved by grace.
We're absolutely on equal footing, but we have very different
purposes God given.
Speaker 9: But do you see yourself as the head of the
household as as the man?
Speaker 2: He is the head of our household? Yes, and I
do submit to him.
Speaker 9: So like moving here, I was just going to your decision.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great, great example.
Speaker 10: Wilson says, in his vision of a Christian society, women
as individuals shouldn't be able to vote. His fellow pastors
Jared Longshore and Toby Sumpter agree.
Speaker 3: In my ideal society, we would vote as households, and
I would ordinarily be the one that would cast the vote,
but I would cast the vote having discussed it with
my household. Really, Oh yeah, I trust you. I trust
about it. We talked about it. Yeah, we discussed it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: But if there's a your wife doesn't want to vote
for the same person as.
Speaker 8: You, right, well, then that's a great opportunity for a
good discussion.
Speaker 2: There are some who have gone so far, you're still
going to vote his way.
Speaker 9: I want the nineteenth the moment repealed.
Speaker 8: I would support that, and I support it on the
basis that the atomization that comes with our current system
is not good for humans.
Speaker 10: And Wilson, a veteran himself, is unapologize about his view
that women shouldn't be in certain leadership or combat roles.
Speaker 9: Looking at the leadership page for christ Church, it's all men.
Do you accept women and leadership roles in the church.
Speaker 8: And government in the church? No, because the Bible says
it's not to Well, that's.
Speaker 2: Not what happens in the Bible.
Speaker 11: Women do lead all the time.
Speaker 10: Progressive Faith leader Reverend Jennifer Butler is concerned about Wilson's
growing influence.
Speaker 11: He is rapidly gaining in power. He has hundreds of
churches established around the country. They actually literally want to
take over towns and cities, and they have access to
this administration.
Speaker 10: Wilson's highest level connection to the administration is Defend Secretary
Pete Hegseth.
Speaker 8: It's not organizationally tied to us, but it's the kind
of thing we love to see.
Speaker 10: For his part, Hagseth has publicly praised Wilson.
Speaker 3: Now we're standing on the shoulders of a generation later,
the Doug Wilson's and the other. So there you go.
So yeah, he's so, this isn't something where you know,
we're just making assumptions.
Speaker 2: Or no, we're literally repeating what these people are saying,
like they're not hiding their crap anymore.
Speaker 3: It's Seth is all in, egg Seth is all in.
Speaker 2: They used to say only behind closed doors are out
in the open now because they feel emboldened and they
have the power and they're getting away with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you know, uh Miriam says, I was raised
vaguely Protestant and my dad was agnostic. My mom left
when oh, my mom felt we should be free to
choose what to believe. So I tried a few things
that was empowering, and what I found was that I
didn't need it to be a good person. I like
Unitarian Universalists because the idea is that the community is
there to help you discover that best path for you.
Speaker 2: Now there's a story out of this Doug Wilson church
and this, and you guys can look it up on
your own. The story that I read, and that's I'm
just repeating what I read is that he had a
member in his church who was a pedophile, and he
had worked with this man who repented and was forgiven,
and then the church helped him find a wife, and
then they had a baby boy who he then assaulted
the baby boy, and then he went to the church
and confessed that he assaulted that he a baby boy.
And because he confessed and repented, he was forgiven.
Speaker 3: Oh good, So no need to get the law involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing to see here, move along, wi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's all you gotta do.
Speaker 5: That's sorry, you kill somebody, Oh god, God, we were
all good, right hey?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the bleef. That's the bleef. So this man,
right that, this is this is the caliber of human
And if you and the Handmaid's Tale, nothing in the
Handmaid's Tale that I wrote was not something that had
happened or is happening in this world. Every aspect of
the society that she wrote about are things that actually happen,
you know. And in the Handmaid's Tale, men can do
no wrong, and they still have their plocivities, their kinks. Right.
There's a place in the book where it's called Jezebel's
where the commanders the men go and sleep with whatever
woman is being kept there who is a sex slave,
and then they go home to their dutiful wives and
thumped the Bible. You know that that is what I
see here, these these Bible thumping holier than now bastards
who dehumanize their women and their daughters. And anybody who
doesn't believe their way is a demon. You're either demon possessed,
he said, or I don't know if it was ignorant
or something, but he basically believes that anybody that doesn't
believe the way he does is because they're demon possessed,
like for reals, like they really do think that.
Speaker 4: So when they hurt somebody, they think they're hurting this demon.
Speaker 3: M it's a good work around. Yeah, yep, that's not
about the hue.
Speaker 4: It's a demon calls women.
Speaker 2: Hunts parlots. Yeah, women are not supposed to be in
charge because also they're devious.
Speaker 3: Remember the apples, that's where it all started.
Speaker 2: And have a pension for the evils.
Speaker 3: That must be where the word evil comes from. Eve
never thought of that before.
Speaker 2: Actually I have to look that one up. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I never thought of that till now.
Speaker 2: But I mean, when you really get into those belief systems,
it is very powerful and very dangerous, and now it's
being wielded against anybody who isn't one of them, anybody
who isn't going to toe the line of one of them,
Like if you're not the white heterosexual male that they
want you to be, if you're supporting them, they're going
to have you to dinner. Oh yeah. Ask a few
people who are from Cuba they feel about that. Who
had dinners with the Republicans down there, vote for us,
We're going to give you back your nation, And now
you can see videos of them crying. Yes, because they
voted for Trump. They believed everything they said, and now
their loved ones are being deported.
Speaker 3: YEP. I don't have any sympathy for them, just for
the record, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Just saying this is how these people operate.
Speaker 2: Oh you're a black man, come on in, Come on, honey,
just make sure you marry your own kind. Because if
you think that doesn't exist in this type.
Speaker 3: Of sure church, you're wrong. Of course you're wrong.
Speaker 2: It totally does.
Speaker 4: And anybody who's not them is not equal to them.
Speaker 2: Think of a caste system, because that's basically what we're
being set up into now. The uber elites are running everything.
They're getting the tax breaks, they get ship tons of
tax dollars. I mean, hard working people, citizens and nonsense,
the sense get money taken out of their paychecks long
before they ever see a dime. And that money is
now going into the pockets of the people that we're
talking about, and they're going into the CEOs of these
companies that make twenty million dollars a year annual salary,
never mind their perks and bonuses. Who the fuck needs
twenty million dollars a year to live.
Speaker 3: Well, not only that, but look at people like Doug Wilson.
You know, he lives very well. He's a very wealthy man.
A lot of these these religious leaders are very, very wealthy.
That's why I you know, and again, all.
Speaker 2: These churches, some of these churches a million dollar church,
multi dollar churches.
Speaker 3: And you know, I get and again I get accused
by a family member of being anti Christian when I
say this stuff. But it's like, I'm actually not anti Christian.
I think I think Gandhi was right. You know when
Gandhi I can never get the exact quote right when
he said, it's it's it's not it's not your christ
I don't like. It's your Christians. I don't like because
they're so unlike your christ Or as a friend of
mine used to paraphrase, I have a friend who passed
away a few years ago, but he used to say
his version of that was Christianity is a great idea.
Somebody should actually try it, because you know, these people
so so blatantly, so flagrantly. I call it ironic Christianity,
you know, which is this version of Christianity where you
you say you love Christ and he's your savior while
actively having as little to do as possible with anything
Christ actually said or taught. And yeah, exactly exactly. That's
why you know, I'm I'm I'm pretty skeptical about all
of it, because I don't think any of these people. Actually,
it's what.
Speaker 2: Does Jesus say, For I was a stranger in your
land and you fed me? For I was a stranger.
There's a whole section of the Bible, and Jesus says,
you know, you fed me, you clothed me, you housed me,
you did right by me. And then he goes after
the people on the other side and he says, for
I was a stranger in your land, and you did
not feed me, and you did not clothe me. Yes,
and he casts them down because they're not the real Christian.
The real Christian is the one who brought them in.
The real Christian is the one that goes over to
the poor and feeds them and close them. And here's
the kicker for you. Okay, the whole thing about government
is not gonna doesn't want to do charity things. You know,
we're not gonna. We shouldn't have food stamps. We should
have churches with food banks, that's the answer. We shouldn't
have free things because the churches will do it. These
are the churches, and they're not doing it. And then, yeah,
so the same people who are saying the church is
to be doing it are the same people who are
that the leaders in these churches who won't freaking.
Speaker 3: Do it right you want me? Yeah, sorry, I just
wanted to say to be fair. So when we talk
about this, you know, we're talking about the churches that
are obviously all about the money, or at least obviously
those of us who are looking at them with a
critical eye. There are I just want to acknowledge that.
You know, in communities all across the country, there are
also small churches that actually do do things for the
community like run soup kitchens and various charities and food
drives and clothing drives and everything. So I want to
acknowledge that too. I don't want to paint everybody with
that because the yeah, there are people who are actually
believe it or not trying to do Christ's work in
communities all across the country, and they they need to
be uh acknowledged and praised for that because they're actually
they're actually doing something good. So we don't want to
pay with a broadbrush. But we're talking about the Charlatans
who unfortunately are the ones who get all the media coverage,
who are who are not doing Christ's work. Because my
theory is they're they're atheists. I always say this about televangelists.
There's no way they actually believe in God, because if
they like people like people.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think it's even that. I have a different theory
about that. I know everyone says that, but I think no.
I think they're full on atheists. I'll tell you why,
because if there were any part of them that actually believed,
wouldn't they be afraid of going to hell for what
they do? I think they because.
Speaker 2: I so believe in what they're saying. When I lived
a God lived in Kentucky years ago, I looked in
Kentucky and I worked in a real sweatshop sewing factory.
We made pajamas and I had to like sew sleeves
onto these shirts, and you had to look at your machine.
If you were caught looking at somebody else, you'd get
yelled at in front of everybody and threatened with getting fired.
No talking not they There were multiple times that Friday
would roll around and they'd tell us that the banks
screwed something up and when our paychecks weren't there, or
you'd go to the bank to cash your paycheck and
it would bounce.
Speaker 4: The wouldn't be any money left in the account if
you didn't.
Speaker 2: Get there fast enough to hit your paycheck. But every
Friday at three pm, we were to shut our machines
off and they would play original Sin doctrine sermons over
the speakers. If you didn't want to listen to it,
you were supposed to go back to work. But if
you turned your machine on and went back to work,
somebody would yell at you that they couldn't hear the sermons. Right,
He's seem holier than and they believed, Oh did they believe?
Speaker 1: Lord?
Speaker 3: I understand that.
Speaker 2: The office, and literally one of them came out of
the office and said to me, the reason we weren't
getting paid was because the fax machine messed up the
numbers when they sent it. Yeah, So I told him
I knew how our fax machine worked. And I went
home with my paycheck, and I was told that I
was to say nothing or I would be fired, and
so would my husband. But these are the same people here.
These guys make so much money off of the faithful,
but they believe wholeheartedly that God wants them to do this.
God wants them to have these things just to clarify
that the hard.
Speaker 3: Work that they're doing, it's it's it's called it's called
prosperity gospel. But what I'm I'm just saying, I'm talking
about the people at the very top, the very top,
like Kenneth Copeland, Paula White, Joel Olstein. I just I.
Speaker 2: Personally she excused.
Speaker 3: No, No, No, that's what I'm saying. I believe I
believe that they don't believe at all. I'm saying this
is purely.
Speaker 2: A business that I'm surprised that you say that.
Speaker 3: Did I say what that?
Speaker 2: You don't think they're real believers?
Speaker 3: You're you're surprised.
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think that's what I'm Yeah,
I don't think Paula Whit they really.
Speaker 2: I do believe she does. I do think she's a
true believer. I think she so believes that she's been
chosen by this power that if she gets us stinging
in her foot, it's God's telling her something.
Speaker 3: No, it's a business. It's a business to them. It's
a business to them.
Speaker 2: I will agree to disagree with you.
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows, I mean, who knows? I don't know.
I don't know what what goes on in their brains
are in their hearts. But no, I don't. That's always
been my theory that that I'm talking about. I'm talking
about the really rich televangelists like Paula White, Joel Oldstein.
I don't. I don't think they believe. I don't think
that they actually believe that there's a deity who's going
to judge them when they die. Because if they actually
believed that, wouldn't they be afraid to to do what
they do?
Speaker 2: And this is you see all right, let me let
me say I lived in Kentucky for three years, and
you want to talk about uber uber Christian like these
people are Christians you've never met.
Speaker 3: No, but that's not who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: But that's what I know. I disagree with you there.
These people are those people. They are those believers that
carry it like a badge of courage, and they truly
believe this magical inside them. When that woman stands up
Ryan and she believes that God is going to give
her the strength to move a hurricane with a stick
while she's speaking in tongues.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, she knows, she knows.
Speaker 4: They believe that ship Lockstock and barrel.
Speaker 2: They'll fight you over it. They'll kill you. My actually,
my father in law Breton to shoot me. He was
gonna like threaten to kill me. What I'm talking about
me accuse me of doing witchcraft lighting high.
Speaker 3: No, I understand that. But I'm talking about the people.
Speaker 2: Met these people. I've met these people. I've met some
of these people who are a ship ton of money
and they justify it.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the people at the though they believe.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think they believe it. I think they're
firm believers.
Speaker 3: I don't think you think Joel. You think Joel actually
belie as a God to judge him when he dies, Yes, yes, but.
Speaker 2: He doesn't believe God's going to judge him poorly. They
don't fear the judgment. You got to understand something too, honey.
A lot of these people believe that once in grace,
always in grace, once you're saved, you're always saved, right.
Speaker 3: Which gives a well, which gives you a perpetual get
out of jail.
Speaker 2: Free ever you commit, I'm always in grace. And if
you don't believe one hundred percent and that you believe that,
once you repent, you're fine, as long as you ask
God for forgiveness, you go to heaven.
Speaker 4: So no matter what you do, even if you come
to believe.
Speaker 2: That something you did was wrong, as long as you
prayed on it and turned it over to God left
it on the altar.
Speaker 3: Well so well, So do you believe that Trump actually
believes all of his own bullshit? Or is this a
con See I apply the same sea. I look at
Trumps the same way I look at these televangelists, because
I also know that the Trump is a con man,
and he's just con to millions of people who are
gullible enough to believe he.
Speaker 2: Found he tapped in and realized how much power there
Isn't that Because if they stand in front of you
with the Bible preaching gospel, and preaching gospel means you're
saying anything godly. So Trump's standing there with the Bible
and saying something godly is God.
Speaker 3: This is God.
Speaker 2: Moving through him. Say you believe it? Looks that's why
he can't do anything wrong because God is directing it
all right, and as a plan for it.
Speaker 3: They believe he was chosen by God.
Speaker 2: Only he knows.
Speaker 4: What You cannot understand the wonders of the Lord. You
have to put your faith in trust in it.
Speaker 3: And that's why to win.
Speaker 2: He wanted to win.
Speaker 4: He also wanted to stay out of jail. And he
saw that these people latched on and he realized that
if he gave them the Christianity they were looking for,
they'd be in like crazy all over him. And that's
exactly what's happened.
Speaker 2: All he does is give them what they want, and
they're happy, and he keeps them and he keeps their
their support and their favoritism and all of that, and
that's all he kids about. I don't think he knows
shit about the freaking Bible. Anybody who stands there and
goes two Corinthians has never read the fucking Bible, because
you don't even know how it works. Well.
Speaker 3: My favorite, my favorite clip of all time was when
side down, No No, When who's at John Heilman and
who is the other guy? Rob Halprin. This was back
during the twenty sixteen campaign when they asked him after
a debate, was he you know if he had a
specific passage in the Bible that He's like, oh no,
I like all of it. And they ask him, well,
are you of a more of an Old Testament guy
or a New Testament guy, and he goes, well, you know,
I think I like them both equally, and it's like
he's but but and yet these Christian conservatives are so
easily conned by it.
Speaker 2: And they also they have a told them very much
to New Testament. Only Old Testament. It was done away
with with God was fulfilled by Jesus. So you follow
the New Testament.
Speaker 4: The Old Testament isn't needed anymore.
Speaker 3: Well, but the but the Old Well, but they go
to the Old Testament. Works.
Speaker 2: Of course, they validate shit, they'll validate stories or whatever
you testament, but that's not how you live by. You
live by what's in the New Testament and what Jesus said.
So we're not doing burnt offers. No, they don't do
thats goal.
Speaker 4: We moved to Sundays instead of Saturdays.
Speaker 3: But they don't give a about They don't give a
shit about Jesus either though, like that don't I mean,
I mean, they love him and they accept him as
a savior, but they don't actually care about anything you
said or did.
Speaker 4: Oh, they do.
Speaker 2: They believe it. I'm living a godly life by following
Jesus's teachings.
Speaker 3: But they don't. Though they don't they don't.
Speaker 2: Believe they are, they firmly want hundred percent believe they are.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think they believe it.
Speaker 3: I think they kind of treat Jesus like he's like
the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving, Like you know, we love him,
he's part of the family. But if Jesus wants to
just go to bed now and not say anything else
crazy like you know, you should take care of poor
people or not let children start over something. We've had
enough of that, Jesus.
Speaker 2: Why don't you just going on to skip those pots
that are inconvenient.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, of course it's all inconvenient.
Speaker 4: They think, and they twist.
Speaker 2: You know, take take any section of Scripture, hand it
to ten Christians and they're all going to come up
with who can you know, they'll come up with ten
different versions of what they think it says.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because it's based on whatever they want it to.
Speaker 2: Be exactly exactly. I'll justify my belief. I'll find a
verse that justify this one fits me. And that's how
it works. I can justify anything I want to believe.
Look at Doug believes that slavery was good for people.
Speaker 4: Doug Wilson is the one that said slavery was good
for people.
Speaker 3: That's a common narrative among his ilk. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they believe that shit and they justify it
biblically because you're supposed to be good to your slaves.
Speaker 4: It's in the Bible. They were good Christians.
Speaker 2: They were good to their slaves. See, yeah, that's real.
These people like I've been I'm telling you, these people
will kill you for their belief. That's how strong the
belief is. It is one hundred percent. And everything you
do becomes for God. For God. It's that marching order,
and you justify and they justify it. They for I
believe that the vast majority of the fuckers think they're
doing the right thing under their faith.
Speaker 4: But Trump is doing.
Speaker 2: Money hex Seth. I think he might be fucked up
and truly believe this shit because he's been a part
of it long before he might orbit. He has been
a part of this a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He took the he took the portrait down of the
first black woman to become an I think it was
an admiral. There was a he took stuff down in
the Pentagon that had to do with women. If it
was a woman, somebody who was gay, or somebody was transgender,
it got scrubbed because remember when he first started scrubbing shit,
the dumb ass scrubbed the aola gay, they scrubbed. Yeah
too woke, but he woke is now also making a
building accessible for a disabled person to get.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, anything anything, they don't even know what the
word means. Just anything they don't like is woke.
Speaker 2: Woke, and all Democrats are demons. I miss it the
days when people politically could disagree but debate one another,
work in you know, work for the greater good of
our country, because we want I don't want Trump to fail.
He think else my country fails.
Speaker 3: You want.
Speaker 2: I want my country to prosper.
Speaker 3: You want your country to succeed.
Speaker 2: Exactly. But what we're we're we're undoing decades of good works,
you know, pulling special like kids out of school and
reinstitutionalizing them. Why are we doing this? You don't want
because they don't want kids to know how to work
with disabled people, or they just want to put I
swear they want to take anybody who's disabled or special
needs and just lock them away in a facility. Because
if you can't make the money and you can't serve them,
you have no purpose on this earth for them. And
these rich pricks live in a different world than us.
You and I and all of probably ninety ers, probably
all of our listeners don't live in the same world
of these people. They don't shop in the grocery store
like you do. They don't go to the same clothing
stores that you do. They don't drive the way that
they don't do anything the way you do. Things are
laid out for them because they're that rich. They set
it up ahead of time. And we have a greed
issue in this country. That's what we have. When a
healthcare CEO wakes twenty five million dollars a year, or
even a million dollars a year, but you're going to
raise the premiums and you're taking away dental care from
people on Medicare because they use too much of it
the insurance they paid for, but because they used too
much of it, because you don't have the money for
their care, but you have money for multimillion dollar salaries
and payout and two private jets.
Speaker 4: You won't fly with the peasants. These are the people
running the country.
Speaker 2: On that part with you, I do agree, but I
do think that Paula White is a real believer.
Speaker 3: Trump no, oh no, Trump definitely not Hexas.
Speaker 2: I think he's a believer and paul A White, I
think she's a believer.
Speaker 3: It's a business.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think she is.
Speaker 3: No way, it's a business, all right, But you well,
should we just about an hour and a half, should
we put a button on this one?
Speaker 2: I think we can put a button on this one?
Speaker 3: You want to remind people about your article?
Speaker 2: Yes, my article is up on common Dreams and I
have not put a link on my website, but I
will do that today. Please go to my website which
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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, all right. I guess that's gonna
do it for us for now. We'll talk to you
a little bit later. By everybody, Bye bye.
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you a
Speaker 2: M hm