Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
Speaker 1: six forty.
Speaker 2: And it is a Tuesday morning, August twentieth, Taco Tuesday,
Speaker 2: and a lot going on today, A lot of politics
Speaker 2: are happening. Why because this is the week of the
Speaker 2: Democratic National Convention. And by the way, Gary and Shannon
Speaker 2: are at the convention all week covering it for KFI. Now,
Speaker 2: what happened last night, well, exactly what everybody thought would happened.
Speaker 2: It was the send off to Joe Biden, and it
Speaker 2: was this love fest for Joe Biden, and it was just,
Speaker 2: oh God, we love Joe, We love Joe, not mentioning
Speaker 2: that we pushed Joe out, we pushed Joe out. That
Speaker 2: simply didn't exist. I mean, revisionist history just didn't happen. Now,
Speaker 2: to be fair, what else are you going to do?
Speaker 1: Right? He is being described as selfless.
Speaker 2: He is being described as giving up his personal ambition
Speaker 2: for the good of the country and the good of
Speaker 2: the party, not mentioning, of course, that he had no
Speaker 2: chance of winning against Donald Trump, and the pressure that
Speaker 2: was pushed on him, was put on him to bail out.
Speaker 2: Was well. Between Nancy Pelosi and Hakim Jeffries, and you've
Speaker 2: got Chuck Schumer. You just people were pushing, pushing pushes.
Speaker 2: They can't win. So finally he got it, and so
Speaker 2: he is done. And then it was talking about the future,
Speaker 2: and a lot of it was Kamala Harris. Of course,
Speaker 2: he said, choosing Harris as his running mate in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty was the best decision I made in my whole career.
Speaker 2: Now keep in mind what happened a month ago. The
Speaker 2: party was completely fractured. I mean, it was in trouble.
Speaker 2: You had the Republican ticket riding as high as you
Speaker 2: can possibly at this point, and then it all completely
Speaker 2: switched from he's a doddering old man to now nominee
Speaker 2: is not a doddering old man.
Speaker 1: What you have is a.
Speaker 2: Sixty year old looks younger woman who is mixed race,
Speaker 2: a woman.
Speaker 1: A liberal whoa what happened?
Speaker 2: So now, what are the attacks on Kamala Harris in
Speaker 2: addition to her being a member of the Communist Party
Speaker 2: and going to destroy humanity single handedly? Okay, that's a
Speaker 2: political shot. I'll take that. But I'm better looking than
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. Come on, guy, really, you're better looking than
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: Okay, why don't we go there?
Speaker 3: But all night long it was both a hit to
Speaker 3: Trump and it was a peon or payan that how
Speaker 3: pronounced p A p A I n pan to the presidents.
Speaker 2: So he comes up there, he was the keynote. He
Speaker 2: would have been on Thursday accepting the nomination, but that's
Speaker 2: going to be Kamala Harris. So he got this four
Speaker 2: minute ovation that he that could have gone a lot longer.
Speaker 2: He calmed it down and did way beyond the time
Speaker 2: that he should have been speaking. Thing ran way long,
Speaker 2: and what we thought is exactly what happened. He touted
Speaker 2: what he has done, which depending on what the political
Speaker 2: level or where on the political scale you look, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of it is very good, too liberal
Speaker 2: for my taste.
Speaker 1: But that's the way.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk more about Kamala Harris with some
Speaker 2: of her positions vis a VI well she's being accused
Speaker 2: of and we'll talk about it later. Going to instigate
Speaker 2: price controls. Okay, it's uh, there's a lot going on
Speaker 2: where I hate both of them and I like both
Speaker 2: of them in different ways. Donald Trump mainly for his
Speaker 2: entertainment aspects of it. She is not nearly as fun
Speaker 2: as he is.
Speaker 1: That's the part that I can't We don't know yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Can maybe if she drinks more when she's speaking. Hey,
Speaker 4: didn't you feel like it was kind of a eulogy?
Speaker 4: It was Joe Biden from people who pushed him off
Speaker 4: the train.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: And then that's the realism and to the point where
Speaker 2: I mean, she has turned around. The Democrats have turned
Speaker 2: around this campaign for sure. All of a sudden, Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris is ahead in polls, and frankly, Republicans are sweating
Speaker 2: bullets on this one, and they have yet to figure
Speaker 2: out how they're going to attack her. And even Trump's
Speaker 2: own main main supporters Phil Graham, for example, Lindsey Graham says,
Speaker 2: we got to stay away from this personal stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just not going to work.
Speaker 2: You can't say you're better looking than Kamala Harrison think
Speaker 2: that people are going to vote for you based on that.
Speaker 2: But I think the takeaway was Joe Biden a wonderful
Speaker 2: human being. I don't remember last time it happened where
Speaker 2: you had a president at this point, It's never happened,
Speaker 2: by the way, I don't think a president at this
Speaker 2: point in the campaign, the nominee dropping out, sitting president
Speaker 2: nominee of his party, and he says, I'm gone. I
Speaker 2: think to the extent that he does care about the
Speaker 2: party more than he does his own political future. I
Speaker 2: think that has yeah, that has some reality to that.
Speaker 2: And as they were pushing him out and he's trying
Speaker 2: to grab onto every handrail, trying to stay in, and
Speaker 2: he finally gets thrown over the edge. Okay, on the
Speaker 2: way down he goes, but I get it. It's for
Speaker 2: the good of the party. And then Hillary Clinton last night,
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, she talked about the glass ceiling
Speaker 2: and finally she was almost there, and finally we have
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: You know the reason why Hillary didn't make it because
Speaker 1: everybody hated Hillary.
Speaker 2: That's why, on a personal level, everybody hate hates Hillary,
Speaker 2: or enough people hated her. That's why I wouldn't vote
Speaker 2: for her. I wouldn't vote for Trump. Won't do it again.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you my candidate just didn't even stand
Speaker 2: a chance. The candidate I voted for, it was a
Speaker 2: write in. It was the dead gorilla out of the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Zoo. I don't think legally number one. Anyone. Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, gorillas can't run and win, and particularly
Speaker 2: dead gorillas can't.
Speaker 1: One can't run and win.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what more happens more at the DNC.
Speaker 2: The big one is going to be her speech on
Speaker 2: Thursday night. And if you ever, if you ever have
Speaker 2: a chance to talk to her, By the way, I've
Speaker 2: talked to many many people that talk to her, you
Speaker 2: have to there has to be room behind you for
Speaker 2: her teleprompter to be up there when she talks to you,
Speaker 2: because there's well, let's just say, there's going to be
Speaker 2: a lot of discussion about that, Okay. At the same time,
Speaker 2: yesterday you see California President Michael Drake directed chancellors of
Speaker 2: all ten campuses to strictly enforce rules against encampments, protests
Speaker 2: that block pathways, masking.
Speaker 1: That shields identities. And you can't do that. You know,
Speaker 1: all these people.
Speaker 2: That are wearing shields, they're wearing masks. If it's for
Speaker 2: the purpose of hiding your face during the commission of
Speaker 2: a crime, as in trespassing, vandalizing, illygal assembly, that is illegal. However,
Speaker 2: if you're doing that as a safety precaution, wearing a
Speaker 2: mask because of COVID. Well, that is legal, and so
Speaker 2: you know where's the line on that one. Well, my
Speaker 2: guess is if you're wearing a Palestinian one of those raps.
Speaker 2: You've seen that checkered Palestinian rap of course everybody has,
Speaker 2: and they take them from the local Italian restaurant. These
Speaker 2: are the tablecloths that they have, and then they turn
Speaker 2: them into Palestinian head wraps that you can't argue that
Speaker 2: that's for health purposes, can you.
Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be tough.
Speaker 2: And therein lies the issue, and that is the protests
Speaker 2: and how far the protests go. And here is where
Speaker 2: reality is not being met. You have each side looking
Speaker 2: at it totally differently. You have the protesters who believe
Speaker 2: that encampments, I guess, rushing the police anytime there is
Speaker 2: a quote illegal assembly. They don't believe that any of
Speaker 2: that is possible. They don't believe any of that is legal.
Speaker 2: It is a first Amendment right to put up tents
Speaker 2: on the quad. It is a first Amendment right to
Speaker 2: for example, block people from walking into class, all a
Speaker 2: jeuse of which we've seen story after a story. I
Speaker 2: have not heard of one protester arguing First Amendment rights
Speaker 2: saying we should.
Speaker 1: Not do that. That crosses the line.
Speaker 2: Nope, all the enforcement is a violation of their First
Speaker 2: Amendment rights. In the meantime, you have the schools finally
Speaker 2: coming to the tables saying that's it, We're done. Encampments gone, vandalism,
Speaker 2: you'll be arrested, Illegal assemblies declared by the police will
Speaker 2: be will be dealt with.
Speaker 1: If you look at.
Speaker 2: What's going on in Chicago, there are places that are
Speaker 2: segregated for the protest, saying, hey, here's the place. What
Speaker 2: do they do? They overrun the barriers. In this case
Speaker 2: it was one barrier and four people were arrested. That
Speaker 2: is the difference protests today, and the vast majority are peaceful.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question about it. They're not overrunning,
Speaker 2: they're not well anymore, they're not vandalizing because I think
Speaker 2: the police are much stricter. And it's come to the
Speaker 2: point where now, because of public pressure, these school administrators
Speaker 2: are finally saying Okay, enough is enough.
Speaker 1: Probably UC Berkeley, where the free speech.
Speaker 2: Movement started, has now come to the table and said
Speaker 2: we're not going to take this anymore. Protest all you want,
Speaker 2: you're simply not going to commit a crime.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's not simple.
Speaker 2: You know, you want to call that protesting, you can
Speaker 2: call whatever the hell you want. You have a camp,
Speaker 2: encamp when it's gone, you breach a barrier that's set
Speaker 2: up for the purposes of protesting, that's an illegal assembly,
Speaker 2: unlawful assembly.
Speaker 1: You'll be arrested. You deface buildings.
Speaker 2: Now they haven't gone so far as to say vandalism
Speaker 2: and defacing and occupying buildings somehow is.
Speaker 1: A First Amendment issue.
Speaker 2: But for the first time you have the schools coming hard,
Speaker 2: hard down on the protesters that have gone beyond protesting.
Speaker 2: Every one of them are saying, we believe in First
Speaker 2: Amendment rights. By the way, when was the university not
Speaker 2: in favor of First Amendment rights? I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: we believe in First Amendment rights. All right, great, Now,
Speaker 2: what the issue is not your belief in First Amendment rights.
Speaker 2: The issue is how far you're going to go in
Speaker 2: protecting your school and your students as against those people
Speaker 2: that are arguing First Amendment rights. Now, do whatever the
Speaker 2: hell you want, just do it in those prescribed areas.
Speaker 2: Do not block entrance is certainly asking people, and we've
Speaker 2: had stories of this. Jews are intimidated by a lot
Speaker 2: of these pro Palestinian demonstrators, and as they are with
Speaker 2: the pro Israeli demonstrators.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the good news.
Speaker 2: And we're not going to see nineteen sixty eight again.
Speaker 2: That's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1: And if you have any idea of.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about, or try to you don't understand,
Speaker 2: or don't know, or don't care, or you're too young
Speaker 2: to understand what the history was, go on YouTube and
Speaker 2: just look up nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention, protestations
Speaker 2: or protesters out on the streets.
Speaker 1: You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: All right now, philled on to you. That song died yesterday.
Speaker 2: It was announced yesterday.
Speaker 1: He died eighty eight.
Speaker 2: And for those people that don't remember Filled on You,
Speaker 2: and anybody I think over sixty would be remembering who
Speaker 2: Filled on You was. He basically invented the modern daytime
Speaker 2: television talk show. He totally reinvented it and brought to
Speaker 2: us what we now know as the modern.
Speaker 1: TV talk show. Most of them horrifically bad.
Speaker 2: He was not only good at what he did, he
Speaker 2: was a real pioneer too. And what he did is
Speaker 2: he covered topics, and I'm talking about important topics of
Speaker 2: the day. Prior to that, television is basically entertainment. The
Speaker 2: only time you had important topics being discussed was on
Speaker 2: the Sunday talk show Sunday morning political talk shows. And
Speaker 2: then occasionally you would have a documentary or so Edward R.
Speaker 2: Morell for example, doing a documentary. But for the most
Speaker 2: part daily shows it was nothing serious, and he took
Speaker 2: it serious. I mean human rights, international relations, I mean
Speaker 2: really important stuff. Abortion and at the same time male strippers,
Speaker 2: safe sex orgies, which, by the way, I've never been
Speaker 2: to one of those, so I don't know. How's that
Speaker 2: for protection. I started in nineteen sixty seven, twenty nine
Speaker 2: years syndicated run.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a success he had. And here's what
Speaker 1: he did.
Speaker 2: Away with opening monologues, gone, no couch, no sidekick, no band.
Speaker 1: He stood up the whole time.
Speaker 2: And it was in the round or in the square,
Speaker 2: and the audience was all around him and it was
Speaker 2: just him and the guests and the audience focused on
Speaker 2: a single topic. Now, at that time, audiences were expected
Speaker 2: just to be seen, not heard. The only time you
Speaker 2: would ever see or hear audiences when they applauded with
Speaker 2: the big applause sign going up, or one of the
Speaker 2: employees there, one of the crew holding up applause.
Speaker 1: Applause.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's when I had my TV talks.
Speaker 2: That is exactly what happened. When there was supposed to
Speaker 2: be applause, the sign would go up and my audience
Speaker 2: was silent. It was crickets. The show didn't do well.
Speaker 2: I just want to point that out. It was just horrific.
Speaker 2: And I've joked about it before. In any case, what
Speaker 2: he did he started asking the audience the questions. And
Speaker 2: this happened during commercial breaks. He would be interviewing a guest,
Speaker 2: and during the commercial breaks he would banter with the audience,
Speaker 2: and he realized, you know, some of these folks have
Speaker 2: sharper questions than I do. They actually have gone off
Speaker 2: into a direction that I haven't thought of.
Speaker 1: So he started.
Speaker 2: Bringing the audience in and you'd have people in the
Speaker 2: stage on the stage with the audience surrounding it, and
Speaker 2: he would go to audience members.
Speaker 1: And say, what do you have to say about this?
Speaker 1: You know, what's your question?
Speaker 2: And that became the basis of a show that well,
Speaker 2: one of the most successful television shows in history, certainly
Speaker 2: daytime shows. His first guests, by the way, just to
Speaker 2: show you where he went, was Madeline Murray O'Hare, and
Speaker 2: you may have not heard of her. She was at
Speaker 2: that point the most famous atheists that existed in the
Speaker 2: United States, and she and her family were followed by
Speaker 2: the cops once her son got a ticket running through
Speaker 2: a stop sign of which there was no stop sign
Speaker 2: there at all, and he was able to prove to
Speaker 2: the judge the stop sign didn't even.
Speaker 1: Exist, he still got tagged.
Speaker 2: I mean, that family was hated, and he had her on,
Speaker 2: and the number of guests that he had on, I
Speaker 2: mean just extraordinary, more than six thousand episodes, twenty Daytime
Speaker 2: Emmy Awards, and two hundred stations. And then he fell
Speaker 2: to two things. One his ratings went on the toilet.
Speaker 2: And then there was this woman who she started a
Speaker 2: talk show I think of Chicago. I think her name
Speaker 2: was Oprah Winfrey, and she took Daytime talk to a
Speaker 2: level that's never been seen.
Speaker 1: He was a feminist from day one.
Speaker 2: He also was brought up as a very strict Roman
Speaker 2: Catholic Phil Donahue and he left the church and dismissed
Speaker 2: it a sexist, racist, unnecessarily destructive.
Speaker 1: Fair to say. He was a lapse lapse Catholic.
Speaker 2: And of all the guests that he had, Ralph Nader
Speaker 2: was his favorite one, and he actually campaigned for Ralph Nader,
Speaker 2: who single handedly destroyed Al Gore's presidency his run for president,
Speaker 2: and that's how George W.
Speaker 1: Bush became the president.
Speaker 2: Interesting guy. Interesting guy. And some lawsuits were filed against
Speaker 2: the show. Someone some loss. But the influence of Phil
Speaker 2: donnae you had was just extraordinary. And as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, as I said, there was early early on
Speaker 2: in my career insurrogacy, there was a case in which
Speaker 2: we didn't know who the father was and that was
Speaker 2: a real controversy. The surrogate mother didn't know who the
Speaker 2: father was, and in those days it was one of
Speaker 2: the early pre DNA tests, but you could tell who
Speaker 2: the father was. Well, we got the information, we found
Speaker 2: out and you know where that test was revealed on
Speaker 2: the Phil Donahue Show.
Speaker 1: Where else?
Speaker 2: All right, I want to talk about AI, and I'm
Speaker 2: talking a lot about AI because you know, our heads
Speaker 2: are or should be spinning with AI and the analogy
Speaker 2: is at the beginning of the computer age, and we
Speaker 2: had no idea where it was going. But it took
Speaker 2: five minutes to figure it out. Right, with AI, it
Speaker 2: takes thirty seconds to begin to try to figure it out.
Speaker 2: And we're not even close, not even close. The problem
Speaker 2: is this moving at such breakneck speed.
Speaker 1: We're running to try to keep.
Speaker 2: Out keep up with it, and it's not working. So
Speaker 2: there's a story in the Atlantic about this. College professor
Speaker 2: Kyle Jensen, director of Arizona State University's writing program. Each year,
Speaker 2: twenty three thousand students take writing courses, of which he oversees.
Speaker 1: And here's the problem.
Speaker 2: AI tools can generate competent college papers in seconds.
Speaker 1: Here you go, and it's competent. In some cases it's
Speaker 1: be work.
Speaker 2: In some cases it's e work, or excuse me, some
Speaker 2: cases it's a work.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So a week after chat GPT appears in November twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, the Atlantic ran an article the college essay
Speaker 2: is dead.
Speaker 1: Now we're two years later.
Speaker 2: And Kyle Jensen now he runs the National Endowment for
Speaker 2: the Humanities funded project Generative AI Literacy Program for Humanity instructors. Well,
Speaker 2: he's been incorporating large bottles of as use English courses
Speaker 2: or into English courses. And he's part of a new
Speaker 2: breed of faculty who want to embrace AI while they're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how do you control AI. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's a strong believer in the value of traditional writing.
Speaker 2: Of course he would, he's a writing instructor.
Speaker 1: But what do you do?
Speaker 2: Not only would the problems but the potential of AI
Speaker 2: to facilitate education. The first year of AI college ended
Speaker 2: in ruins. It was a disaster. Students techted, the technology
Speaker 2: faculty was caught off guard.
Speaker 1: Cheating was widespread.
Speaker 2: Tools that identified computer written essays were insufficient.
Speaker 1: Students who used.
Speaker 2: AI for legitimate reasons let's say they used A to
Speaker 2: help them with research or just consulted them for example
Speaker 2: grammar checking software, they were labeled as cheats. You're throwing
Speaker 2: in the same pile as cheaters. Faculties asked students not
Speaker 2: to use AI, or at least tell the faculty when
Speaker 2: they were, And who's going to do that? So now
Speaker 2: we're the third year of AI college and is the
Speaker 2: problem any better?
Speaker 1: Nope? Nope, And here is some of the problems.
Speaker 2: Chat GPT arrived on college campuses when instructors and students
Speaker 2: and the school itself reeling from the pandemic, and we
Speaker 2: know the problem that the pandemic had. There was a
Speaker 2: writing professor interviewed at a school in Florida who was
Speaker 2: so demoralized by all the students cheating he's ready to
Speaker 2: give up take a job in tech. Said, it crushed me.
Speaker 2: I fell in love with teaching. I've loved my time
Speaker 2: in the classroom, but with chat G everything feels hopeless.
Speaker 2: He's lost trust in the system, in the students because
Speaker 2: generative AI has pretty much ruined the integrity of online classes,
Speaker 2: which of course those are gone if you want any legitimacy.
Speaker 2: And it is just a heartbreaker by the way it's
Speaker 2: gone from just being horrible, not being able to understand,
Speaker 2: being used to cheat, into absurdism, is the way it's
Speaker 2: described in the Atlantic. Teachers are teaching and they wonder
Speaker 2: are they grading students or are they grading computers.
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a way to teach, isn't it.
Speaker 2: So what you have is this game that goes on
Speaker 2: in arms race, if you will, regarding AI cheating.
Speaker 1: And detection systems. Are they keeping up? No, not really,
Speaker 1: They're talking about water.
Speaker 2: Marks somehow, and Neil and I have talked about watermarks
Speaker 2: to at least we know what's being used in AI,
Speaker 2: what is being generated, And we were talking about that
Speaker 2: with the scripts, etc.
Speaker 1: But here's the problem. Watermarks can be tampered with. Two.
Speaker 1: You know, the bad guys are just really good at this.
Speaker 1: So the problem is what do you do well? Do
Speaker 1: you incorporate AI in grading? I think that works.
Speaker 2: English teachers have the hardest job in teaching. I don't
Speaker 2: even know why people go into teaching English. You've got
Speaker 2: a class of thirty five or thirty two students. Let's
Speaker 2: say you have four classes of students, right, so you're
Speaker 2: looking at one hundred and something students that you're teaching
Speaker 2: a homework assignment. Let's say you give three or four
Speaker 2: homework assignments essay writing, you're grading hundreds of them.
Speaker 1: You know, you're better off being a PE teacher, you know,
Speaker 1: where you don't.
Speaker 2: Have homework and all you have to do is abuse
Speaker 2: the kids, you know, and bat them around and do
Speaker 2: what the PE teachers did to me, swap the hell
Speaker 2: out of me whenever I acted up. It's not the
Speaker 2: same school just isn't the same. It's not as much fun.
Speaker 2: You can't abuse people as much, but you can cheat.
Speaker 1: You can cheat.
Speaker 2: I'm about to you know today someone told me because
Speaker 2: you know I do the of course you do. I
Speaker 2: do the podcasts, and I'll tell you a little bit
Speaker 2: more about that, and and produces them for me because
Speaker 2: as my producer.
Speaker 1: And then there's an outline and.
Speaker 2: Who is it that said to me, why don't you
Speaker 2: try AI chat GPT to put everything in order and
Speaker 2: to compile it.
Speaker 1: Go Wow? You know, I think I'm gonna try that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna try that. AI AI for me,
Speaker 1: AI for you, AI for all of us.
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