WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.400 You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:04.960 six forty. 3 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:10.000 And it is a Tuesday morning, August twentieth, Taco Tuesday, 4 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:13.839 and a lot going on today, A lot of politics 5 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:17.320 are happening. Why because this is the week of the 6 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:20.559 Democratic National Convention. And by the way, Gary and Shannon 7 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:25.320 are at the convention all week covering it for KFI. Now, 8 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:29.559 what happened last night, well, exactly what everybody thought would happened. 9 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:33.479 It was the send off to Joe Biden, and it 10 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:37.679 was this love fest for Joe Biden, and it was just, 11 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:42.679 oh God, we love Joe, We love Joe, not mentioning 12 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:47.439 that we pushed Joe out, we pushed Joe out. That 13 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:54.280 simply didn't exist. I mean, revisionist history just didn't happen. Now, 14 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:56.200 to be fair, what else are you going to do? 15 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.119 Right? He is being described as selfless. 16 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.560 He is being described as giving up his personal ambition 17 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.280 for the good of the country and the good of 18 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:08.879 the party, not mentioning, of course, that he had no 19 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:14.879 chance of winning against Donald Trump, and the pressure that 20 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.959 was pushed on him, was put on him to bail out. 21 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:24.959 Was well. Between Nancy Pelosi and Hakim Jeffries, and you've 22 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:29.519 got Chuck Schumer. You just people were pushing, pushing pushes. 23 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:34.280 They can't win. So finally he got it, and so 24 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:38.120 he is done. And then it was talking about the future, 25 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.280 and a lot of it was Kamala Harris. Of course, 26 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:43.799 he said, choosing Harris as his running mate in twenty 27 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:47.519 twenty was the best decision I made in my whole career. 28 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.959 Now keep in mind what happened a month ago. The 29 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:55.120 party was completely fractured. I mean, it was in trouble. 30 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:58.959 You had the Republican ticket riding as high as you 31 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:03.920 can possibly at this point, and then it all completely 32 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:11.759 switched from he's a doddering old man to now nominee 33 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:13.400 is not a doddering old man. 34 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:16.039 What you have is a. 35 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:21.360 Sixty year old looks younger woman who is mixed race, 36 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:22.759 a woman. 37 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:25.280 A liberal whoa what happened? 38 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:29.400 So now, what are the attacks on Kamala Harris in 39 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.879 addition to her being a member of the Communist Party 40 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:37.000 and going to destroy humanity single handedly? Okay, that's a 41 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:40.719 political shot. I'll take that. But I'm better looking than 42 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:46.680 Kamala Harris. Come on, guy, really, you're better looking than 43 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:47.879 Kamala Harris. 44 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:49.520 Okay, why don't we go there? 45 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:54.719 But all night long it was both a hit to 46 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:59.919 Trump and it was a peon or payan that how 47 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.800 pronounced p A p A I n pan to the presidents. 48 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:10.719 So he comes up there, he was the keynote. He 49 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.039 would have been on Thursday accepting the nomination, but that's 50 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:17.560 going to be Kamala Harris. So he got this four 51 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.520 minute ovation that he that could have gone a lot longer. 52 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:25.199 He calmed it down and did way beyond the time 53 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:30.240 that he should have been speaking. Thing ran way long, 54 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.400 and what we thought is exactly what happened. He touted 55 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:39.319 what he has done, which depending on what the political 56 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:43.039 level or where on the political scale you look, I 57 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.319 think a lot of it is very good, too liberal 58 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:47.120 for my taste. 59 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:47.840 But that's the way. 60 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:52.400 We're going to talk more about Kamala Harris with some 61 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:57.759 of her positions vis a VI well she's being accused 62 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.719 of and we'll talk about it later. Going to instigate 63 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:05.159 price controls. Okay, it's uh, there's a lot going on 64 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.240 where I hate both of them and I like both 65 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.560 of them in different ways. Donald Trump mainly for his 66 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.840 entertainment aspects of it. She is not nearly as fun 67 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:16.360 as he is. 68 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.920 That's the part that I can't We don't know yet. Yeah, 69 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:20.680 I don't know. 70 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:24.319 Can maybe if she drinks more when she's speaking. Hey, 71 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:27.360 didn't you feel like it was kind of a eulogy? 72 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:31.079 It was Joe Biden from people who pushed him off 73 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:31.439 the train. 74 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.920 Yeah, exactly, exactly. 75 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.839 And then that's the realism and to the point where 76 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.240 I mean, she has turned around. The Democrats have turned 77 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:45.920 around this campaign for sure. All of a sudden, Kamala 78 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:51.120 Harris is ahead in polls, and frankly, Republicans are sweating 79 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.000 bullets on this one, and they have yet to figure 80 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.360 out how they're going to attack her. And even Trump's 81 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:04.160 own main main supporters Phil Graham, for example, Lindsey Graham says, 82 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:06.079 we got to stay away from this personal stuff. 83 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:07.279 It's just not going to work. 84 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.560 You can't say you're better looking than Kamala Harrison think 85 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:14.279 that people are going to vote for you based on that. 86 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.319 But I think the takeaway was Joe Biden a wonderful 87 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.319 human being. I don't remember last time it happened where 88 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.120 you had a president at this point, It's never happened, 89 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.319 by the way, I don't think a president at this 90 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:32.920 point in the campaign, the nominee dropping out, sitting president 91 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:38.600 nominee of his party, and he says, I'm gone. I 92 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.600 think to the extent that he does care about the 93 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:46.639 party more than he does his own political future. I 94 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:51.360 think that has yeah, that has some reality to that. 95 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.800 And as they were pushing him out and he's trying 96 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.800 to grab onto every handrail, trying to stay in, and 97 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.519 he finally gets thrown over the edge. Okay, on the 98 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.439 way down he goes, but I get it. It's for 99 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.360 the good of the party. And then Hillary Clinton last night, 100 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:12.439 I gotta tell you, she talked about the glass ceiling 101 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.399 and finally she was almost there, and finally we have 102 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:17.439 Kamala Harris. 103 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.199 You know the reason why Hillary didn't make it because 104 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:21.360 everybody hated Hillary. 105 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:27.519 That's why, on a personal level, everybody hate hates Hillary, 106 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.360 or enough people hated her. That's why I wouldn't vote 107 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:34.600 for her. I wouldn't vote for Trump. Won't do it again. 108 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:40.480 And I'll tell you my candidate just didn't even stand 109 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.439 a chance. The candidate I voted for, it was a 110 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.800 write in. It was the dead gorilla out of the 111 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:51.319 Cincinnati Zoo. I don't think legally number one. Anyone. Well, 112 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.160 first of all, gorillas can't run and win, and particularly 113 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:55.199 dead gorillas can't. 114 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:56.800 One can't run and win. 115 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.000 So we'll see what more happens more at the DNC. 116 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.759 The big one is going to be her speech on 117 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.800 Thursday night. And if you ever, if you ever have 118 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:10.959 a chance to talk to her, By the way, I've 119 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.319 talked to many many people that talk to her, you 120 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.519 have to there has to be room behind you for 121 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.000 her teleprompter to be up there when she talks to you, 122 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.120 because there's well, let's just say, there's going to be 123 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.079 a lot of discussion about that, Okay. At the same time, 124 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:35.000 yesterday you see California President Michael Drake directed chancellors of 125 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:40.680 all ten campuses to strictly enforce rules against encampments, protests 126 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.399 that block pathways, masking. 127 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.959 That shields identities. And you can't do that. You know, 128 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:46.879 all these people. 129 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:51.279 That are wearing shields, they're wearing masks. If it's for 130 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.839 the purpose of hiding your face during the commission of 131 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:03.360 a crime, as in trespassing, vandalizing, illygal assembly, that is illegal. However, 132 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.920 if you're doing that as a safety precaution, wearing a 133 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:11.759 mask because of COVID. Well, that is legal, and so 134 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.199 you know where's the line on that one. Well, my 135 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:18.439 guess is if you're wearing a Palestinian one of those raps. 136 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.720 You've seen that checkered Palestinian rap of course everybody has, 137 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:26.720 and they take them from the local Italian restaurant. These 138 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:29.040 are the tablecloths that they have, and then they turn 139 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:34.480 them into Palestinian head wraps that you can't argue that 140 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:36.240 that's for health purposes, can you. 141 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:38.440 Well, it's going to be tough. 142 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:43.360 And therein lies the issue, and that is the protests 143 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.480 and how far the protests go. And here is where 144 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.799 reality is not being met. You have each side looking 145 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:55.559 at it totally differently. You have the protesters who believe 146 00:08:55.960 --> 00:09:03.960 that encampments, I guess, rushing the police anytime there is 147 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.120 a quote illegal assembly. They don't believe that any of 148 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.440 that is possible. They don't believe any of that is legal. 149 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.960 It is a first Amendment right to put up tents 150 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.960 on the quad. It is a first Amendment right to 151 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.080 for example, block people from walking into class, all a 152 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.679 jeuse of which we've seen story after a story. I 153 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:30.000 have not heard of one protester arguing First Amendment rights 154 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:31.320 saying we should. 155 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.720 Not do that. That crosses the line. 156 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:38.639 Nope, all the enforcement is a violation of their First 157 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:42.320 Amendment rights. In the meantime, you have the schools finally 158 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:48.000 coming to the tables saying that's it, We're done. Encampments gone, vandalism, 159 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.480 you'll be arrested, Illegal assemblies declared by the police will 160 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:54.000 be will be dealt with. 161 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:55.360 If you look at. 162 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.879 What's going on in Chicago, there are places that are 163 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:02.759 segregated for the protest, saying, hey, here's the place. What 164 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.399 do they do? They overrun the barriers. In this case 165 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.120 it was one barrier and four people were arrested. That 166 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.159 is the difference protests today, and the vast majority are peaceful. 167 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:15.720 I mean, there's no question about it. They're not overrunning, 168 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.440 they're not well anymore, they're not vandalizing because I think 169 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:21.600 the police are much stricter. And it's come to the 170 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:27.399 point where now, because of public pressure, these school administrators 171 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.600 are finally saying Okay, enough is enough. 172 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.799 Probably UC Berkeley, where the free speech. 173 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:38.720 Movement started, has now come to the table and said 174 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:42.320 we're not going to take this anymore. Protest all you want, 175 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.919 you're simply not going to commit a crime. 176 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:47.080 That's it. It's not simple. 177 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:49.240 You know, you want to call that protesting, you can 178 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.000 call whatever the hell you want. You have a camp, 179 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:57.320 encamp when it's gone, you breach a barrier that's set 180 00:10:57.399 --> 00:11:02.120 up for the purposes of protesting, that's an illegal assembly, 181 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:03.159 unlawful assembly. 182 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.240 You'll be arrested. You deface buildings. 183 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.919 Now they haven't gone so far as to say vandalism 184 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:14.399 and defacing and occupying buildings somehow is. 185 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:15.840 A First Amendment issue. 186 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:20.559 But for the first time you have the schools coming hard, 187 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:25.399 hard down on the protesters that have gone beyond protesting. 188 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.799 Every one of them are saying, we believe in First 189 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.919 Amendment rights. By the way, when was the university not 190 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.960 in favor of First Amendment rights? I mean, come on, 191 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.279 we believe in First Amendment rights. All right, great, Now, 192 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.320 what the issue is not your belief in First Amendment rights. 193 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.960 The issue is how far you're going to go in 194 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:50.480 protecting your school and your students as against those people 195 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:55.120 that are arguing First Amendment rights. Now, do whatever the 196 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.240 hell you want, just do it in those prescribed areas. 197 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.159 Do not block entrance is certainly asking people, and we've 198 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.279 had stories of this. Jews are intimidated by a lot 199 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.919 of these pro Palestinian demonstrators, and as they are with 200 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.279 the pro Israeli demonstrators. 201 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:17.200 I mean, it's just the good news. 202 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.000 And we're not going to see nineteen sixty eight again. 203 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:20.879 That's just not going to happen. 204 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.039 And if you have any idea of. 205 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:27.320 What I'm talking about, or try to you don't understand, 206 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.840 or don't know, or don't care, or you're too young 207 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.360 to understand what the history was, go on YouTube and 208 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:39.120 just look up nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention, protestations 209 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:40.679 or protesters out on the streets. 210 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.480 You'll see exactly what I'm talking about. 211 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:47.679 All right now, philled on to you. That song died yesterday. 212 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:48.600 It was announced yesterday. 213 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:50.159 He died eighty eight. 214 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:54.559 And for those people that don't remember Filled on You, 215 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.919 and anybody I think over sixty would be remembering who 216 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:03.600 Filled on You was. He basically invented the modern daytime 217 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:09.879 television talk show. He totally reinvented it and brought to 218 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.039 us what we now know as the modern. 219 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:15.559 TV talk show. Most of them horrifically bad. 220 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.440 He was not only good at what he did, he 221 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.879 was a real pioneer too. And what he did is 222 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:27.799 he covered topics, and I'm talking about important topics of 223 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.080 the day. Prior to that, television is basically entertainment. The 224 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:36.360 only time you had important topics being discussed was on 225 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:39.960 the Sunday talk show Sunday morning political talk shows. And 226 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:43.720 then occasionally you would have a documentary or so Edward R. 227 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.559 Morell for example, doing a documentary. But for the most 228 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.679 part daily shows it was nothing serious, and he took 229 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:54.559 it serious. I mean human rights, international relations, I mean 230 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:59.480 really important stuff. Abortion and at the same time male strippers, 231 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:04.320 safe sex orgies, which, by the way, I've never been 232 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.799 to one of those, so I don't know. How's that 233 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.480 for protection. I started in nineteen sixty seven, twenty nine 234 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:12.720 years syndicated run. 235 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:16.159 I mean, what a success he had. And here's what 236 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:16.840 he did. 237 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:24.320 Away with opening monologues, gone, no couch, no sidekick, no band. 238 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.120 He stood up the whole time. 239 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:29.240 And it was in the round or in the square, 240 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.200 and the audience was all around him and it was 241 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:37.519 just him and the guests and the audience focused on 242 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:42.120 a single topic. Now, at that time, audiences were expected 243 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:44.360 just to be seen, not heard. The only time you 244 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:47.279 would ever see or hear audiences when they applauded with 245 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:52.120 the big applause sign going up, or one of the 246 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.759 employees there, one of the crew holding up applause. 247 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:55.279 Applause. 248 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.879 By the way, that's when I had my TV talks. 249 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:04.240 That is exactly what happened. When there was supposed to 250 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:08.240 be applause, the sign would go up and my audience 251 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:12.840 was silent. It was crickets. The show didn't do well. 252 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:15.519 I just want to point that out. It was just horrific. 253 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.000 And I've joked about it before. In any case, what 254 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.240 he did he started asking the audience the questions. And 255 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:25.159 this happened during commercial breaks. He would be interviewing a guest, 256 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:28.799 and during the commercial breaks he would banter with the audience, 257 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.399 and he realized, you know, some of these folks have 258 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.360 sharper questions than I do. They actually have gone off 259 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.240 into a direction that I haven't thought of. 260 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:38.759 So he started. 261 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:42.639 Bringing the audience in and you'd have people in the 262 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:46.320 stage on the stage with the audience surrounding it, and 263 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.559 he would go to audience members. 264 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:49.759 And say, what do you have to say about this? 265 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:51.639 You know, what's your question? 266 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:57.440 And that became the basis of a show that well, 267 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:01.679 one of the most successful television shows in history, certainly 268 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:06.000 daytime shows. His first guests, by the way, just to 269 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.639 show you where he went, was Madeline Murray O'Hare, and 270 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:12.519 you may have not heard of her. She was at 271 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:17.559 that point the most famous atheists that existed in the 272 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.200 United States, and she and her family were followed by 273 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:24.000 the cops once her son got a ticket running through 274 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.000 a stop sign of which there was no stop sign 275 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:28.480 there at all, and he was able to prove to 276 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:30.320 the judge the stop sign didn't even. 277 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:32.279 Exist, he still got tagged. 278 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.360 I mean, that family was hated, and he had her on, 279 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.159 and the number of guests that he had on, I 280 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.480 mean just extraordinary, more than six thousand episodes, twenty Daytime 281 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:48.080 Emmy Awards, and two hundred stations. And then he fell 282 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.600 to two things. One his ratings went on the toilet. 283 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.120 And then there was this woman who she started a 284 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:59.200 talk show I think of Chicago. I think her name 285 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:03.080 was Oprah Winfrey, and she took Daytime talk to a 286 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:04.519 level that's never been seen. 287 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:08.400 He was a feminist from day one. 288 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.240 He also was brought up as a very strict Roman 289 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:18.359 Catholic Phil Donahue and he left the church and dismissed 290 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.279 it a sexist, racist, unnecessarily destructive. 291 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.079 Fair to say. He was a lapse lapse Catholic. 292 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.160 And of all the guests that he had, Ralph Nader 293 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:33.480 was his favorite one, and he actually campaigned for Ralph Nader, 294 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:39.000 who single handedly destroyed Al Gore's presidency his run for president, 295 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:40.519 and that's how George W. 296 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.119 Bush became the president. 297 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:47.319 Interesting guy. Interesting guy. And some lawsuits were filed against 298 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.960 the show. Someone some loss. But the influence of Phil 299 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:54.240 donnae you had was just extraordinary. And as a matter 300 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.960 of fact, as I said, there was early early on 301 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:03.720 in my career insurrogacy, there was a case in which 302 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:06.960 we didn't know who the father was and that was 303 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.839 a real controversy. The surrogate mother didn't know who the 304 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:12.720 father was, and in those days it was one of 305 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:15.319 the early pre DNA tests, but you could tell who 306 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:19.119 the father was. Well, we got the information, we found 307 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.359 out and you know where that test was revealed on 308 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:23.559 the Phil Donahue Show. 309 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:25.240 Where else? 310 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.279 All right, I want to talk about AI, and I'm 311 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.119 talking a lot about AI because you know, our heads 312 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:38.720 are or should be spinning with AI and the analogy 313 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.200 is at the beginning of the computer age, and we 314 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.240 had no idea where it was going. But it took 315 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.599 five minutes to figure it out. Right, with AI, it 316 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.880 takes thirty seconds to begin to try to figure it out. 317 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.960 And we're not even close, not even close. The problem 318 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.799 is this moving at such breakneck speed. 319 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:03.119 We're running to try to keep. 320 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:06.160 Out keep up with it, and it's not working. So 321 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.119 there's a story in the Atlantic about this. College professor 322 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:16.240 Kyle Jensen, director of Arizona State University's writing program. Each year, 323 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:20.240 twenty three thousand students take writing courses, of which he oversees. 324 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.920 And here's the problem. 325 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:28.559 AI tools can generate competent college papers in seconds. 326 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.200 Here you go, and it's competent. In some cases it's 327 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:33.640 be work. 328 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.000 In some cases it's e work, or excuse me, some 329 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:38.000 cases it's a work. 330 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:39.160 Okay. 331 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:43.640 So a week after chat GPT appears in November twenty 332 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:48.279 twenty two, the Atlantic ran an article the college essay 333 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:49.279 is dead. 334 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:53.000 Now we're two years later. 335 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:56.960 And Kyle Jensen now he runs the National Endowment for 336 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:04.599 the Humanities funded project Generative AI Literacy Program for Humanity instructors. Well, 337 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.759 he's been incorporating large bottles of as use English courses 338 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.680 or into English courses. And he's part of a new 339 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:17.640 breed of faculty who want to embrace AI while they're 340 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.599 trying to figure out how do you control AI. I mean, 341 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.039 he's a strong believer in the value of traditional writing. 342 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:26.759 Of course he would, he's a writing instructor. 343 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:29.599 But what do you do? 344 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.720 Not only would the problems but the potential of AI 345 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:39.400 to facilitate education. The first year of AI college ended 346 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:44.599 in ruins. It was a disaster. Students techted, the technology 347 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:46.880 faculty was caught off guard. 348 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:48.920 Cheating was widespread. 349 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.880 Tools that identified computer written essays were insufficient. 350 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:56.359 Students who used. 351 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.480 AI for legitimate reasons let's say they used A to 352 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:04.440 help them with research or just consulted them for example 353 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:11.440 grammar checking software, they were labeled as cheats. You're throwing 354 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:15.519 in the same pile as cheaters. Faculties asked students not 355 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:19.880 to use AI, or at least tell the faculty when 356 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:22.759 they were, And who's going to do that? So now 357 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.000 we're the third year of AI college and is the 358 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:26.799 problem any better? 359 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:31.160 Nope? Nope, And here is some of the problems. 360 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:37.279 Chat GPT arrived on college campuses when instructors and students 361 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.119 and the school itself reeling from the pandemic, and we 362 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.319 know the problem that the pandemic had. There was a 363 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.519 writing professor interviewed at a school in Florida who was 364 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.799 so demoralized by all the students cheating he's ready to 365 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.319 give up take a job in tech. Said, it crushed me. 366 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:57.880 I fell in love with teaching. I've loved my time 367 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:03.960 in the classroom, but with chat G everything feels hopeless. 368 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:09.440 He's lost trust in the system, in the students because 369 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:13.279 generative AI has pretty much ruined the integrity of online classes, 370 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.960 which of course those are gone if you want any legitimacy. 371 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.799 And it is just a heartbreaker by the way it's 372 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:27.279 gone from just being horrible, not being able to understand, 373 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.640 being used to cheat, into absurdism, is the way it's 374 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:36.880 described in the Atlantic. Teachers are teaching and they wonder 375 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:40.160 are they grading students or are they grading computers. 376 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:43.599 That's a hell of a way to teach, isn't it. 377 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:50.359 So what you have is this game that goes on 378 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:54.880 in arms race, if you will, regarding AI cheating. 379 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:59.359 And detection systems. Are they keeping up? No, not really, 380 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:00.759 They're talking about water. 381 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:04.599 Marks somehow, and Neil and I have talked about watermarks 382 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.960 to at least we know what's being used in AI, 383 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.279 what is being generated, And we were talking about that 384 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:14.559 with the scripts, etc. 385 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.400 But here's the problem. Watermarks can be tampered with. Two. 386 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.799 You know, the bad guys are just really good at this. 387 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:26.440 So the problem is what do you do well? Do 388 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.119 you incorporate AI in grading? I think that works. 389 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.920 English teachers have the hardest job in teaching. I don't 390 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.880 even know why people go into teaching English. You've got 391 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:39.920 a class of thirty five or thirty two students. Let's 392 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:44.319 say you have four classes of students, right, so you're 393 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.039 looking at one hundred and something students that you're teaching 394 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:50.839 a homework assignment. Let's say you give three or four 395 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:56.200 homework assignments essay writing, you're grading hundreds of them. 396 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.200 You know, you're better off being a PE teacher, you know, 397 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:00.960 where you don't. 398 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:02.400 Have homework and all you have to do is abuse 399 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:05.400 the kids, you know, and bat them around and do 400 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.839 what the PE teachers did to me, swap the hell 401 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:10.000