1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: I want you to close your eyes for a second, seriously, 2 00:00:02,359 --> 00:00:06,200 just humor me. Imagine you are a villager living five 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:07,120 thousand years ago. 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you. 5 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,839 Speaker 1: Maybe you're in the Indus Valley, or maybe you're tilling 6 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:14,839 the soil in ancient Scandinavia. Your world is incredibly small. 7 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:18,559 It is defined by the dirt under your fingernails, the 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,160 stone tools in your hand, and you know the terrifying 9 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:24,399 reality that when the sun goes down the world belongs 10 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:25,160 to the predators. 11 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,879 Speaker 2: It's a visceral image. You're living in a world where 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,600 speed is how fast a horse can gallop, and power 13 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,280 is how hard you can swing a club. Your physics 14 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:36,479 are very. 15 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: Direct, exactly now. 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: Imagine you are standing on a hillside wiping the sweat 17 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,920 off your forehead, and you look up. Suddenly the sty 18 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:46,960 splits open. You witness a modern drone strike. 19 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 20 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: Or maybe you see a cruise missile sleek and metallic 21 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,520 streak across the horizon and obliterate a mountain peak with 22 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:57,759 like mathematical precision. You feel the shock wave in your 23 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,479 chest before you even hear the sound. 24 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,479 Speaker 2: It's a terrifying thought experiment. The cognitive dissonance would be paralyzing. 25 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,359 I mean, you'd have absolutely no framework for. 26 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,799 Speaker 1: That, right, So how do you describe that to your 27 00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:10,400 family when you run back to the village. You don't 28 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,799 have the word propulsion. You don't know what aerodynamics means. 29 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,840 You certainly don't have a concept for GPS or high 30 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:18,760 explosive yield. 31 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. 32 00:01:20,079 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: You wouldn't say, hey, guys, I just saw a piece 33 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:24,120 of advanced aerospace engineering. 34 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: No, you'd use the only vocabulary available to you. You 35 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,719 have to. You'd use the language of the supernatural. 36 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: You would say that was magic. You'd say that was 37 00:01:31,799 --> 00:01:34,599 a thunderbolt thrown by a god. You'd say a dragon 38 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,840 breathed fire on the mountain precisely. 39 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: This is what we call the cargo cult phenomenon in anthropology. 40 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:45,400 You interpret the unknown to the lens of the known. 41 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:49,640 If then technology is sufficiently advanced, as Arthur C. Clark 42 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,079 famously said, it is indistinguishable from magic. 43 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:54,599 Speaker 3: But it's more than that, isn't it. 44 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: It is you deify it, You assume intention and divinity, 45 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:01,200 because engineering isn't in your mental model. A machine doing 46 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:05,079 something precise feels like a will, a consciousness. 47 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: And that brings us to the question that is going 48 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:09,520 to drive us today. It's a loose thread that I've 49 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,159 been pulling on for a week, and honestly, the more 50 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:15,560 I pull, the more the whole sweater of history starts 51 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,280 to unravel. 52 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: I know the feeling. 53 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:23,439 Speaker 1: What if the magic described in our oldest mythologies Norse, Greek, Hindu, Japanese. 54 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,159 Speaker 3: What if that wasn't magic at all? 55 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:30,479 Speaker 1: What if it was actually misunderstood advanced technology that we 56 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,360 are only just now in the twenty first century beginning 57 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,319 to understand. 58 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:37,159 Speaker 2: It's the ultimate game of translation, isn't it. Yeah, trying 59 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:38,800 to strip away the poetry to see if there's a 60 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,479 blueprint underneath. And I have to say, when you actually 61 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:43,960 look at the texts, not the children's book versions, but 62 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,560 the original translations, the descriptions are uncomfortably technical. 63 00:02:48,719 --> 00:02:51,599 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling threads. I'm your guide to the impossible, 64 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:54,000 the anomalists, and the things that make you go wait 65 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:54,560 a minute. 66 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:56,159 Speaker 2: And I'm here to make sure we keep one foot 67 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:58,520 in the scientific method while we explore the rabbit hole. 68 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:02,759 But I have to admit today stack of research is well, 69 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,280 it's heavy. 70 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: It is heavy. 71 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:07,599 Speaker 1: We are not just looking at pottery shards today, We 72 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,759 are looking at weapons of mass destruction described thousands of 73 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:12,599 years before the. 74 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: Manhattan Project, a sobering thought. 75 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,599 Speaker 1: We're going deep into a stack of research that includes 76 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,400 ancient runestones from Sweden, historical accounts of legendary Japanese sortsmiths 77 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,800 sacred to Hindu, texts like the Mahaparada. 78 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: Archaeological anomalies in Scotland that science still struggles to explain, 79 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,000 and modern testimonies regarding classified space programs. It's an incredibly 80 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,120 broad scope. 81 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:35,479 Speaker 3: It really is. 82 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:38,439 Speaker 2: And the mission here isn't just to retell these myths 83 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,280 as bedtime stories. What's fascinating here. What we're really digging 84 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:46,479 into is the specificity of the descriptions. We aren't looking 85 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,680 for vague metaphors about power or raft, no, not at all. 86 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,639 We are looking for technical data hidden in poetic language. 87 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:55,800 We're looking for the functionality of the weapons, how do 88 00:03:55,879 --> 00:03:58,800 they trigger? What was the payload, what were the biological effects. 89 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:00,680 We're looking for schematics and sagas. 90 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,639 Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. We are starting in Scandinavia, the 91 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:08,840 land of vikings, sagas and some very very intense weaponry. 92 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: And we're going to a very specific place blings to Sweden, just. 93 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,319 Speaker 1: About forty miles northwest of Stockholm. We're there to see 94 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:16,800 the box to. 95 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,399 Speaker 2: Runestone, right, the box to runestone. 96 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: Describe this for us because usually when I think of 97 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,560 Runestone's I think of, you know, squiggly lines and memorials 98 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:26,879 to dead kings. 99 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: What are we looking at here? 100 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,639 Speaker 2: Well, it is an ancient carved granite block dating back 101 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,399 to the Viking Age around the eleventh century. But it's 102 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:37,480 significant because it's one of the few remaining relics we 103 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:40,720 have that actually depicts the Norse god Odin. 104 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:41,759 Speaker 3: So we get a visual. 105 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: We get a visual, and he's not just standing there posing. 106 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:47,959 He's on horseback, likely his eight legged horse, slight near, 107 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,360 and he is holding his signature weapon, the spear known 108 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:52,639 as Gunnar gun Year. 109 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: Now, in the myths, this isn't just a sharp stick. 110 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,759 I mean every Viking had a spear. What makes this 111 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,600 one so special? 112 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: Oh, it's far from it being a norm. According to 113 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,160 the skull Skipar Mall, which is part of the prose Eta, 114 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:08,040 Goodyear was created by the sons of Evaldi. Now we 115 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:09,720 need to pause on who these creators are. 116 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,319 Speaker 3: The Dwarfs. 117 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: Yes, but let's look at the description of dwarves in 118 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,839 Norse lore. They aren't just short guys with axes. They 119 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:20,959 live underground in Spartalfi. They are pale, they avoid the sun, 120 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,199 and they are the sole source of high tech manufacturing 121 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:25,040 for the gods. 122 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: They're the R and D Department. 123 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: They are the engineers. They forge, they build, They craft 124 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:33,040 items with properties that defy the laws of nature. As 125 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,680 the Vikings understood them, They're the only ones who can 126 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:36,399 make this stuff. 127 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: So in our modern context, these are the guys in 128 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:42,199 the clean suits, working in the underground bunker at like 129 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:44,120 Area fifty one or skunk works. 130 00:05:44,319 --> 00:05:47,079 Speaker 2: That's a fair analogy, a very good one, actually, And 131 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,920 they imbued this spear goodyear with a very specific and 132 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:56,800 very strange property. Yes, absolute accuracy. The myth states, no 133 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,560 matter who threw it, no matter the skill of the 134 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,480 person throwing, it would always hate its mark, always always. 135 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,800 Once it was set to a target, it could not miss. 136 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,079 It would stopped at nothing, It would fly through any 137 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,519 obstacle to reach its destination. 138 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: Okay, see here's where it gets really interesting. For me. 139 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:14,160 If I'm a Viking and I'm really good at throwing 140 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:18,959 a spear, I might say I never miss, but that's bragging, 141 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:19,839 that's ego. 142 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: This is different. 143 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:24,759 Speaker 1: This is an object with an inherent quality of infallibility. 144 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,879 Speaker 2: Exactly. It's not about the user's skill. The skill is irrelevant. 145 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,199 Speaker 1: It sounds less like a wooden spear and more like, well, 146 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:33,879 like a laser guided cruise missile. 147 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:38,079 Speaker 2: Precisely, that is the technological interpretation. If a primative culture 148 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,439 sees a weapon that self corrects its trajectory mid flight, 149 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:44,399 how do they describe it? They say it's enchanted. We 150 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:45,480 would say it's programmed. 151 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,519 Speaker 3: It's just a difference in vocabulary. 152 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,759 Speaker 2: It is. Think about the sidewinder missile. It locks onto 153 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:53,519 a heat signature, You fire it, and the missile does 154 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,800 the work. It has its own guidance system. The pilot 155 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,480 just has to get it in the general vicinity and 156 00:06:58,519 --> 00:06:59,079 pull the trigger. 157 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: It's basically the old ltimate aimbot for a god. But 158 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,519 does the text implain that Odin has to aim it 159 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,240 carefully or just let it go. 160 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: That's the kicker. It implies the opposite. It says the 161 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,920 spear finds the mark. The agency is in the object, 162 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,439 not the user. When Odin uses this in war, the 163 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:16,720 outcome is predetermined. 164 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,519 Speaker 3: It's not about his skill, as. 165 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:21,519 Speaker 2: A warrior, not at all. It's about the superiority of 166 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,439 his technology. The text says it travels to the target 167 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,519 regardless of the conditions, wind rain, whatever. That sounds like 168 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,040 a smart weapon. It sounds like satellite guide munitions or 169 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:35,879 active radar homing, something with an onboard computer making decisions. 170 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:38,759 Speaker 1: And the sources bring up this idea that the sons 171 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:43,480 of Avaldi, these dwarves, might not have been magical bearded 172 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,439 guys with hammers, but perhaps technical engineers or even extraterrestrial 173 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,160 entities providing this tech. 174 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: That's the ancient astronaut angle. Yes, if you accept the 175 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,040 premise that these gods were actually advanced beings visiting Earth, 176 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,639 or perhaps a breakaway civilization that survived some cataclysm, then 177 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,199 Goodyear is simply a piece of their standard kit. 178 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: It's their rifle. 179 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: It's a precision guided weapon. It's not magic. It's just 180 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:10,399 Monday for them. And if that's true for Odin, we 181 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,560 absolutely have to talk about the heavy hitter, the weapon 182 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,040 that defines the genre. 183 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,199 Speaker 3: And the hammer. M'll near, Nu'll near the crush. 184 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: Everyone knows the hammer, Marvel has made sure of that. 185 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,319 It's a pop culture icon, but the details in the 186 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:24,600 research were surprising to me. 187 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:25,879 Speaker 3: It wasn't just heavy. 188 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,879 Speaker 1: There are specifics about how it was built that just 189 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,399 don't sound like blacksmithing. 190 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,759 Speaker 2: No, not at all. Again, it was manufactured by the Dwarfs, 191 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:38,600 specifically two brothers, Bronco and Sindri. The myth says it 192 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:41,879 was made under duress. They were in a competition and 193 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:46,840 there was a mishap during the forging process. Loki disguised 194 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,120 as a fly bit one of the Dwarfs, causing him 195 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:50,559 to slench. 196 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 3: So there was a mistake. 197 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: Because of that, there was a flaw. The handle was 198 00:08:54,639 --> 00:08:55,440 too short. 199 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: A design flaw, or maybe, and this is just me spitballing, 200 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,639 an ergonomic choice for a specific type of user. I mean, 201 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,879 if you're building a weapon that balances perfectly for a 202 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:07,960 kinetic strike, maybe a short handle is a feature, not 203 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:09,960 a bug. Maybe it's for one handed use. 204 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: That's a valid question. Maybe the flaw was just the 205 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:14,519 story they told to explain why it looks so weird. 206 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,799 But despite the short handle, its capabilities were I mean 207 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,039 they were off the charts. It had three main functions 208 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:20,799 described in the lore. 209 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: Okay, let's break them down. 210 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: One like gunnyear, it could hit any intended target, you 211 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:28,600 throw it, it hits guaranteed. 212 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: So it has that same smart weapon capability. 213 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: It does two. It would return to the user's hand, 214 00:09:36,279 --> 00:09:38,960 almost like a boomerang. Or and this is a more 215 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,759 modern interpretation, perhaps a magnetic recall system. 216 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,399 Speaker 1: Magnetic recall makes so much sense. We have toys that 217 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,600 do that. Now, you press a button on a gauntlet 218 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:48,799 and a magnet pulls the device back. It's not even 219 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:49,759 sci fi anymore. 220 00:09:49,879 --> 00:09:53,039 Speaker 2: And Thor did wear a specific gauntlet, urn gripper or 221 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,279 iron grippers to wield it. The lore says without the gauntlets, 222 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,960 he couldn't handle the weapon. It was too powerful. 223 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 3: So the gauntlets aren't just gloves. 224 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,799 Speaker 2: They sound like a required interface, like a smart gun 225 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:07,519 that only fires for the user wearing them matching RFID 226 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,799 ring or maybe they channel the energy protected them from 227 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,679 some kind of feedback from the weapon itself. 228 00:10:12,759 --> 00:10:15,039 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that the gauntlets aren't for grip strength. 229 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,879 They're the controller. They complete the circuit. 230 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:19,919 Speaker 1: But let's talk about the third capability because this is 231 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,480 the big one. 232 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: Yes, this is the one that really stretches the definition 233 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,600 of a hammer. It was said to be able to 234 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,840 crush mountains. 235 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:27,879 Speaker 3: Crushing mountains. 236 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,039 Speaker 1: Now. Usually when we think of big bombs, we think 237 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,960 of fire, explosions, shrapnel, we think of expanding gas. But 238 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,360 crushing sounds different. It's a very specific word. That's a 239 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:40,960 downward force, a compression. 240 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: It does, and the source material makes a very astute 241 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,639 scientific correlation here. Mulneir isn't described as an explosive device. 242 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,320 It doesn't seem to rely on chemical combustion. It's described 243 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,360 as a kinetic. 244 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 3: Weapon, kinetic bombardment. 245 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: Explain that right. It's the concept of destroying a target 246 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,440 through pure force and mass. If you accelerate a dense 247 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,120 object to high enough speeds, you don't need a warhead. 248 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,799 The impact alone delivers an incredible amount of energy. Think 249 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:11,279 at the concept of rods from God, a theoretical US 250 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:12,200 military project. 251 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,879 Speaker 3: I remember reading about that. They called it Project Thor ironically. 252 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,919 Speaker 2: I believe they did. The idea was to have satellites 253 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:21,320 holding tungsten rods basically the size of telefumpoles. To attack 254 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,600 a target, you just drop ones, drop it from orbit exactly, 255 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,720 no explosives, But that rod would be traveling at mock 256 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:30,840 ten maybe more. By the time it hit the ground. 257 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,559 It would hit with the force of a tactical nuke, 258 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,440 but without the radiation fallout would penetrate hundreds of feet 259 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,519 into the earth. It would crush whatever it hit. 260 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: It would vaporize rock through sheer kinetic transfer. 261 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,639 Speaker 2: That's the physics of it. So is Thor walking around 262 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,879 with a blacksmith's tool, or is he carrying a handheld 263 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,200 kinetic energy weapon with a homing beacon and a magnetic 264 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,360 return system interface through his gloves. 265 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,279 Speaker 1: Put it that way, and he sounds like a space 266 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,960 marine for Warhammer forty K. 267 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,279 Speaker 2: That is exactly what the text is if you strip 268 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,519 away the magic. And again the sources suggests these weapons 269 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,120 weren't forged in a normal fire. They were given to 270 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:11,200 these figures by other worldly beings. It fits the pattern 271 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,399 of advanced tech being introduced to a civilization that can't 272 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,000 replicate it, only use it. 273 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: Speaking of replicating technology, let's jump continents in centuries. 274 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: Let's go from Scandinavia to Japan. 275 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,399 Speaker 2: A completely different culture, but a similar pattern. 276 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,399 Speaker 1: We're going to travel to seven hundred eight. This is 277 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,080 a fascinating story because it involves a sudden, massive jump 278 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,080 in technology that by all rights, shouldn't have happened. It 279 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:37,759 breaks the evolutionary curve of technology. 280 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: This is the legend of Amakuni set. 281 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: The scene for us. 282 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: What was sword fighting like in Japan before Amakuni came along? 283 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,639 Speaker 2: It was not great. In seven hundred AD, Japanese warriors 284 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:53,720 were using swords based on Chinese designs. They were called chokuto. 285 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,519 They were double edged, straight, clunky and heavy. But the 286 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:01,080 biggest problem was the metallurgy they were so they broke 287 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,960 all the time. In the heat of battle against armor 288 00:13:04,039 --> 00:13:05,879 or other blades, they would snap, which. 289 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: Is the last thing you want to happen. When someone 290 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,320 is swinging an exit, you hang on time out. 291 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: My sword broke. It's a catastrophic failure exactly. 292 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,799 Speaker 2: So the legend goes. The emperor returns from battle and 293 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,240 his army is decimated, not because of poor tactics, but 294 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,519 because their weapons failed. The swords are in pieces. Amakuni 295 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,759 is the Emperor's swordsmith. He sees the returning troops carrying broken. 296 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: Hilts, and he takes it personally deeply. 297 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,159 Speaker 2: He takes this failure personally. He gathers the broken shards 298 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:36,840 and realizes he needs a complete rethink. This isn't about 299 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,679 making a slightly better sword. It's about starting from scratch. 300 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,919 Speaker 1: And this is where the thrilling thread gets spooky. He 301 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,559 doesn't just do some R and D. He doesn't just 302 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,559 try a new mixture of iron. He goes into isolation. 303 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,399 Speaker 2: He and his son Amakura seal themselves away in their 304 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,440 forge for seven days and seven nights. And this is key. 305 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,360 They aren't just hammering. They are praying. They are performing rituals, 306 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,120 praying to the Shinto gods, specifically the kami. 307 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: The Kami these are the spirits or higher leings in 308 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:08,159 the Shinto faith, not quite gods in the Western sense, 309 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:11,039 more like forces of nature or ancestral spirits. 310 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: Right, a very complex concept. And after this week of 311 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,639 isolation and prayer, they emerge with something that looks nothing 312 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,840 like the old swords. They come out with a single 313 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,120 edged curve blade, the katana. 314 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: The most famous sword design in history, invented in a week. 315 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: Effectively, yes, a complete paradigm shift in one week, and 316 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:33,279 the test results were immediate and absolute. The emperor goes 317 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,000 back to war with these new blades. When he returns, 318 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,919 Amakuni is waiting on his porch. He starts counting the 319 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,600 returning blades. Two, ten, twenty. He counts hundreds of swords, 320 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:46,159 not a single one is broken. 321 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,279 Speaker 1: That is a zero percent failure rate. That's six sigma 322 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,799 quality control in the eighth century. 323 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: That's unheard of. 324 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:55,039 Speaker 2: It's perfection, and the emperor declares him the greatest swordsmith. 325 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,320 This design, the katana, dominates Japanese warfare for the next 326 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,480 thousand years. It becomes the soul of the samurai. 327 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: So what does this all mean? 328 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: How does a guy in seven hundred AD jump centuries 329 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:11,600 of metallurgical development in seven days? I mean, usually technology 330 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,519 creeps forward trial and error. 331 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:16,759 Speaker 2: That's the anomaly. Metallurgy is an incremental science. You try mixture, 332 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:19,399 it fails. You change the carbon content slightly, it gets better. 333 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:22,000 You figure out quenching, you learn about folding steel. It 334 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,759 takes generations of trial and air. Amakuni did it in 335 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:28,440 one sprint. To use modern software terms, he bypassed the 336 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:29,919 entire evolutionary process. 337 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: He didn't climb the ladder. He took an elevator to 338 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:32,919 the top floor. 339 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. And the sources 340 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,840 mentioned the rituals involved the purification the white robes. 341 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: Yes. 342 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: Yes. In the Shinto tradition, making a sword is a 343 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:47,480 deeply religious act. It involves intense purification. You bathe, you 344 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:50,279 wear white, you set up a sacred space, You chant 345 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,840 specific mantras. The source material suggests looking at this through 346 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,360 a modern lens, so it sounds almost like a sterile 347 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:57,799 scientific protocol. 348 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: Like a clean room to avoid contamination exactly. 349 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: And the chanting. Think of it as a mnemonic device 350 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:08,200 for timing a complex chemical process. Chant this verse, then 351 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,639 pull the steel from the forge. It ensures consistency. You're 352 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:13,000 following a set of instructions. 353 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: So the ritual isn't just superstition, it's the manufacturing process. 354 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: It could be if you look at the structure of 355 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,159 a katana, it's a composite marvel. You have a soft, 356 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:25,840 flexible steel core called chigan, which is low carbon, wrapped 357 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,600 in a hard brittle steel shell called kawagani, which is 358 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:30,720 high carbon. This gives you a blade that can hold 359 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,480 a razor edge that absorbs shocks so it doesn't snap. 360 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:35,919 Speaker 3: And getting that to work is hard, incredibly hard. 361 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,679 Speaker 2: Achieving that bond without delamination requires precise temperature control and 362 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,759 timing that blacksmiths shouldn't have been able to manage back then. 363 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,240 But the speculation here is did Amakuni receive downloaded information. 364 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:50,279 Speaker 3: From the kami. 365 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,159 Speaker 2: If we view the kami not as spirits but as 366 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,039 extraterrestrial intelligences or some other form of advanced teachers. Was 367 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:01,320 Amakuni tutored? Did he receive a blueprint? The prayer, a communion, 368 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,320 a data transfer? 369 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:05,759 Speaker 1: There's a specific blade mentioned in the sources, the Kogarasumru, 370 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:08,839 the little crow. It's in the Imperial collection today. 371 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 2: Yes, and this is the kicker. Modern science has analyzed 372 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,000 these types of ancient blades, the neanto. We can put 373 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,359 them under electron microscopes, and we struggle to reproduce the 374 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,839 specific properties of that steel. Even today, we can't do it, 375 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,839 not perfectly. It has this incredible combination of mortin sight 376 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,759 and prolite structures in the steel. Plus it has a 377 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:31,200 high resistance to oxidation. It basically has a built in rustproofing. 378 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,279 We have all of modern chemistry and physics at our disposal, 379 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,640 and we scratch our heads at how they achieve that 380 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,039 purity with just iron, sand and charcoal. 381 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 3: So if modern science struggles. 382 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: How did a man in seven hundred AD perfect it 383 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,000 in a week without help? It makes you wonder if 384 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:50,799 prayer was actually a form of communication or data transmission, 385 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:52,880 like he was dialing up tech support. 386 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: Or like you said, just the only word they had 387 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,079 for instruction. I spoke to the Kami and they showed 388 00:17:57,079 --> 00:17:59,759 me the way. It's the same pattern as odin spear. 389 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,720 A technology appears fully formed with no developmental history. 390 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,279 Speaker 2: And it changes the course of that culture's history forever. 391 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,079 Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got guided missiles in the north, super 392 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,440 steel in the east. Now let's talk about something that 393 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:17,000 feels very sci fi but has some weirdly physical evidence 394 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:20,960 attached to it, death rays directed energy weapons. 395 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:24,319 Speaker 2: This is where we move from enhanced projectile weapons to 396 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:26,759 pure energy, and we have to start with a bridge 397 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:28,759 between history and myth. Archimedes. 398 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,279 Speaker 1: Archimedes is a historical figure. We know he was real 399 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,920 math guy, bathtub guy, eureka, Yes, a. 400 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,839 Speaker 2: Genius, But during the Siege of Syracusan two fourteen BC, 401 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,960 he was a weapon designer. The Romans were attacking by 402 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:45,839 c Archimedes, according to the accounts, built a system of 403 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,799 giant mirrors parabolic disks made of polished bronze to focus 404 00:18:50,799 --> 00:18:52,880 the sun's rays onto the wooden Roman. 405 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 3: Ships, and he set them on fire from a distance. 406 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: He incinerated them. Now, MythBusters tried to replicate this and struggled. 407 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,640 They called it busted, but other groups, like a team 408 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,599 from MIT, did manage to get it to work. The 409 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:08,960 historical accounts insist it happened, and this establishes a baseline fact. 410 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,640 Death rays or directed energy weapons are conceptually possible even 411 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,039 in antiquity, using the sun. 412 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,839 Speaker 1: But the myths go further than mirrors. The gods didn't 413 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:18,759 need a sunny. 414 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:21,279 Speaker 2: Day, much further. The source's points as to Zeus, the 415 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,920 king of the Greek gods. We know him for the thunderbolt, 416 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,480 but look at the description. It's not just random lightning 417 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:29,240 from a cloud. Zeus could push a button or unleash 418 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,400 a trigger and release a thunderbolt that caused fierce explosions. 419 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: Push a button that implies a device, a mechanism. It's deliberate, 420 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:36,960 it does. 421 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:42,279 Speaker 2: It implies a handheld directed energy weapon. And this isn't 422 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:46,359 limited to Greece. This concept is global. The source highlights 423 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,400 a visual from India, the doorshay or Vajra. 424 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,759 Speaker 1: Describe the door shape. I've seen these in yoga studios. 425 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:53,039 I think little brass things. 426 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: It's a ritual object today often seen In Tibetan Buddhism, 427 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,119 it looks like a short, double ended scepter, usually brass 428 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,160 or bronze, but in the ancient depictions, in the hands 429 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,200 of gods like Indra, it looks strikingly like a tool 430 00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:08,480 designed to channel a beam. The ends have prongs that 431 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:10,640 curve inward to a central point. 432 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:11,519 Speaker 3: Like a focusing array. 433 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:14,279 Speaker 2: It really does, and the text says it was used 434 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,200 to vanquish the enemy, to destroy him, to incinerate him. 435 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:21,759 It's not a club. It's described as emitting something. 436 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: It looks like a plasma rifle. I mean, honestly, if 437 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,200 you see the carvings, it's a handheld weapon. It reminds 438 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,079 me of the weapons the guards use in Stargate. 439 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: It connects the dots between cultures. Zeus has the thunderbolt, 440 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,759 the Hindu gods have the doorge a Thor has the hammer. 441 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,200 They are all portable devices that emit energy to destroy 442 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,319 targets at a distance. 443 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: But stories are stories, right. You can write about a 444 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000 lightning gun because it sounds cool. It's imaginative, But the 445 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,599 sources gave us something physical, something that exists today that 446 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,799 I had never heard of before. The vitrified forts of Scotland. 447 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:55,759 Speaker 2: This is the physical evidence that is hardest to dismiss. 448 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,799 This is where the skeptics usually get quiet, because it's testable, 449 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:02,160 it's repeatable, and it's baffling. 450 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: Take us to Scotland. What do we see. 451 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,039 Speaker 2: Throughout the Scottish countryside, places like Tapanoth or Dunderdale. There 452 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:11,039 are these ancient stone forts. They are ruins now dating 453 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:13,880 back to the Iron Age or earlier, maybe two thousand 454 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,200 years ago. But when you analyze the stones of the 455 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,319 fortress walls you find something that should not be there, 456 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,519 the glass. They have been vitrified. The stone has literally 457 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:27,240 melted and fused together into a black, obsidian like glass. 458 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: And to do that, I mean, surely you just burn 459 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,119 the fort down. You have a big enough fire, you 460 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,400 can melt anything, right. 461 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: No, And here is the physics problem. To turn granite 462 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:39,960 or basalt into glass actual ventrification, you need a sustained 463 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,240 temperature of roughly eleven hundred to thirteen hundred degrees celsius. 464 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,559 That's over two thousand degrees fahrenheit. 465 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: Thirteen hundred degrees. That's hotter than lava. 466 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,599 Speaker 2: It is now. The conventional explanation is that these forts 467 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:53,400 were burned down during sieges. They were built with timber 468 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,119 beams interlaced with stone. But here is the thermodynamics issue. 469 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,039 An open wood fire, even a massive siege bonfire with 470 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,519 fat and an oil thrown on it, peaks at about 471 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,000 eight hundred or nine hundred degrees celsius. And that's momentary 472 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,359 in the hottest part of the flame. 473 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: So it's not hot enough, not nearly. 474 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:14,519 Speaker 2: And to melt a fortress wall that is ten feet thick, 475 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,759 you need that thirteen hundred degree heat applied consistently for days. 476 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,519 In an open air environment where heat dissipates constantly, the 477 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:24,799 mass just doesn't add up. You can't do it with wood. 478 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,079 Speaker 3: Could it be lightning? Lightning is incredibly hot. 479 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: Lightning is hot enough. Yes, But lightning is a strike. 480 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,559 It's a point of impact. It creates something called a folgarite, 481 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:35,400 a glassy tube where it hits sand or rock. But 482 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,960 these walls are fused for hundreds of meters in length. 483 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,400 A lightning strike doesn't melt an entire perimeter wall. It's 484 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,599 the wrong energy profile. 485 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: And there's a detail about where the glass is right. 486 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,000 This is the part that really got me. 487 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: Yes, this is crucial. The glazing is often found only 488 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,400 on the outside of the walls. Whoa think about that? 489 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,720 If you burn a building down from the inside an 490 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,640 accidental fire sabotage, the heat is internal, The inside should 491 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,480 be vitrified. If the outside is glazed, it implies the 492 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,960 heat source came from the outside. 493 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: It implies an attack. 494 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,079 Speaker 2: It fits the profile of a high heated atomic or 495 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,640 directed energy weapon used against a fortification. Something hit those 496 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,240 walls with enough thermal energy to flash melt rock instantly, 497 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,160 locking the chemical structure into glass before it could cool. 498 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,599 We don't have a primitive explanation for that. We can't 499 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:26,960 replicate it with wood fires. 500 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: That is chilling. 501 00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: It suggests a war was fought there with weapons that 502 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,359 wouldn't exist again for thousands of years. It's like finding 503 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,359 a bullet hole in a t rex skull. It's an 504 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,680 anachronism exactly. 505 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,799 Speaker 2: It's an out of place artifact, but on the scale 506 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:40,559 of a building. Oh and if we want to talk 507 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,200 about wars fought with weapons that shouldn't exist, we have 508 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:44,720 to open the Mahaparada. 509 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:47,839 Speaker 3: The Mahaparada, this is the ancient Sanskrit epic of India. 510 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,960 It's huge, it's unbelievably complex. 511 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: It's the longest poe ever written, about one point eight 512 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,319 million words, and for many Hindus it's religious history. It's 513 00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:00,160 foundational to the culture. But for our purposes today, it 514 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,160 contains what claimed to be eyewitness accounts of a mass 515 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,319 of war, the Kodukschetro War. 516 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: The descriptions in here, I mean when I read the 517 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:09,839 source material, I had to double check that I wasn't 518 00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:11,799 reading a manual for the US Air Force. 519 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,519 Speaker 3: It's startlingly modern. 520 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,079 Speaker 2: It's uncanny. It reads like a modern military document that's 521 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,960 been translated through a poetic filter. Let's look at the 522 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,519 catalog of weapons described. 523 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:25,519 Speaker 1: First up Vishnuz guided missiles than aaryan astraarion astra. 524 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: Now, this is described as a flying weapon that fills 525 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:30,920 the sky with millions of projectiles. But listen to the 526 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,319 trigger mechanism. It detects motion. The text says, if you move, 527 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,200 it hits you. It targets activity. The only way to 528 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:39,319 escape it is to lie flat on the ground, drop 529 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:41,079 your weapons, and be perfectly still. 530 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: That is a motion detecting munition or an automated turret 531 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,359 system from a video game. It's programmed to hit moving 532 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,960 targets precisely. 533 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:51,799 Speaker 2: How does an ancient writer dream up a weapon that 534 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,519 sees movement, unless they witness technology that did exactly that. 535 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,759 If you run, you die, If you surrender and freeze, 536 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:03,559 it ignores you. That's out algorithmic targeting. That's iff identify 537 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,400 friend or foe. 538 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:07,519 Speaker 3: But for movement, then there are the heat seekers. 539 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: Yes, missiles described as following the fire or the spirit 540 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,240 of the target. If you've only ever seen an arrow 541 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,519 which goes where you pointed, how do you describe a 542 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,759 projectile that chases a heat source. You say it has 543 00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,799 a mind of its own. You say it hunts, It 544 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,039 follows its prey. 545 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,559 Speaker 1: It's the only language you have for a self guiding system. 546 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,559 And then we have the god Shalva. 547 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: Shalva is fascinating. He has a flying vehicle of Vimana. 548 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,319 We could do a hole throwing threads on Vimana's alone. 549 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,359 But shelviscraft called Saba is special. He can make it invisible. 550 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,839 Speaker 3: Stealth tech, active chemouflage. 551 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: And he can put entire armies to sleep. 552 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: Chemical warfare, some kind of nerve gas or sleeping agent. 553 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: It's all there. Stealth, chemical agents, guide ammunitions. It's a 554 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,519 complete military industrial complex. But the Maha Barata describes one 555 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:56,640 weapon that stands above them all, the Brahmastra. 556 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: The ultimate weapon, the weapon that. 557 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,839 Speaker 2: The text explicitly says never be used. It is the 558 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,799 weapon of last resort, the divine nuke. 559 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: The description of this thing gives me goosebumps. Read us 560 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,279 the bit from the translation it's haunting. 561 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: The text reads, a single projectile, charged with all the 562 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,039 power of the universe, an incandescent column of smoke and flame, 563 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,759 as bright as ten thousand sons, rose in all its. 564 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,519 Speaker 3: Splendor, as bright as ten thousand sons. 565 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: That is the exact phrase Robert Oppenheimer, the father of 566 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,160 the atomic bomb, quoted from the bagavad Gita, when he 567 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,279 watched the first nuclear test at Trinity. 568 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: It is the parallel is chilling and direct. But it 569 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,160 gets worse. The text describes the blast effects. It was 570 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,319 an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, 571 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,680 which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis 572 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,839 and then Dakas. It says the corpses were so burned 573 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:51,079 they were unrecognizable. 574 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: But it's the aftermath that really sells it for me, 575 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,279 because anyone can describe a big fire. But the text 576 00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,680 talks about what happens to the survivors in the days 577 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,640 following the blast. 578 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: This is the clinical detail that is impossible to fake. 579 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,480 This isn't poetry anymore. This sounds like a medical report. 580 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:09,519 It says the hair and nails fell out, pottery broke 581 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:13,200 without cause, and the birds turned white, and the food 582 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,720 and it says the food was poisoned. Any food exposed 583 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,640 to it became toxic. 584 00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,559 Speaker 1: Hair falling out, nails falling out, food poisoned. That is 585 00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:24,759 a textbook perfect description of acute radiation sickness and nuclear fallout. 586 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: There is no other natural phenomenon that causes your hair 587 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,799 and nails to fall out after the event. Fire burned you. 588 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,960 Disease makes you sick, but radiation attacks your cellular structure, 589 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,839 your bone marrow. The birds turning white is also consistent 590 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:40,839 with thermal bleaching from a nuclear flash. 591 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 3: It's just too specific to be a coincidence. 592 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: The source material forces us to ask, did the Mahafarada 593 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,880 record an ancient nuclear detonation? Is this folk memory of 594 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,319 a war fought with weapons we've only just reinvented. 595 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: And we are still echoing this today. The sources mentioned 596 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,480 that modern India names their rockets, Shokti goddess energy. 597 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 2: We're reliving the mythology through modern tech. We are building 598 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,279 the things our ancestors said the gods used to destroy 599 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:10,440 the world. It's like we're retracing their steps, rebuilding their arsenal. 600 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,559 Speaker 1: So we have evidence of high tech war on the 601 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:17,880 ground in Sweden, Japan, Scotland, India. But the sources take 602 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,880 us even further. They take us off planet to the 603 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,119 cosmic battlefield. 604 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,079 Speaker 2: This changes the scope completely. We aren't just talking about 605 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,240 a skirmish on Earth. We are talking about a Solar 606 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:28,599 system wide conflict. 607 00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:31,279 Speaker 1: It starts with a math problem from the seventeen hundreds. 608 00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,640 That's just Bode anomaly. I had never heard of this. 609 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: It's a fascinating bit of astronomical history. In the eighteenth century, 610 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,119 astronomers noticed a strange mathematical pattern in the spacing of 611 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,079 the planets. Think of the Solar System like a musical scale. 612 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,559 Each planet sits at a specific predicted distance from the Sun. 613 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 3: There's a formula for it. 614 00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:53,759 Speaker 2: There is and Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars that they all 615 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:54,880 fit the math perfectly. 616 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,599 Speaker 1: Okay, so it's like a rhythm, a predictable pattern exactly. 617 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: But when you get to the game between Mars and Jupiter. 618 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,359 The math says there must be a planet there. It's 619 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,880 like playing a piano scale and missing a note. The 620 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,440 silence is deafening. The math demands a planet in that. 621 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: Orbit, but there isn't a planet. 622 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: No. Instead, we have the asteroid belt, a field of 623 00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,960 millions of rocks and debris, all orbiting exactly where that 624 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,799 planet should be. 625 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: And this leads to the theory of destruction. 626 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,799 Speaker 2: The idea that there was a planet there and something 627 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:29,599 destroyed it. And this isn't a new idea. The Sumerian 628 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,039 myths describe a cosmic battle in the heavens. They talk 629 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,839 about a planet sometimes called Tiamat, sometimes Phaeton, that was 630 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,519 destroyed in a war between the gods. 631 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: So the mythology and the math. 632 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:44,599 Speaker 2: Line up they do. Zachariascitchen, the ancient astronaut theorist, propose 633 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,839 that the asteroid belt is the physical remains of this 634 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,839 destroyed planet, the rubble from a planetary war. 635 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: So the debris field is a graveyard, a planetary corpse exactly. 636 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,279 Speaker 2: And if a planet was destroyed, blown apart into asteroids, 637 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,000 where did the survivors go? If anyone survived. 638 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: That brings us to Series, the dwarf planet hanging out 639 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,279 in the asteroid belt. 640 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:05,079 Speaker 3: It's the biggest thing in. 641 00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: The belt, right it is. Series is a fascinating object. 642 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,839 It contains about a third of the mass of the 643 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,759 entire asteroid belt. And in twenty fifteen, NASA's don mission 644 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,640 arrived at Series and the images it sent back were 645 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,480 unexpected bright lights. 646 00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: I remember seeing these on the news. They were all 647 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:21,599 over the. 648 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:26,359 Speaker 2: Internet, extremely bright reflective spots inside the Ocat crater. NASA's 649 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,680 official explanation is that they are salt deposits cryoholcanism, but 650 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:34,640 they are incredibly reflective. And the probe also sent back 651 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,440 images that appear to show a three mile tall pyramid 652 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,599 shape structure. It's called Ahuonaman's a Hunaman's a three mile 653 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,000 tall mountain with incredibly steep smooth size that looks artificial. 654 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,039 Speaker 1: A three mile tall pyramid on a rock in the 655 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:47,880 middle of nowhere. 656 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,079 Speaker 2: The speculation here is compelling. If your planet was destroyed, 657 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:54,000 blown apart into asteroid, Series is the biggest chunk left, 658 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,839 it would be the natural place to set up a refuge, 659 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,000 a base, an outpost, a lifeboat. 660 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: Is it possible those lights in that pyramid are remnants 661 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,039 of the civilization that fled the destruction, like a bunker 662 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:07,839 in the wasteland. 663 00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: It's a valid question that the data forces us to ask, 664 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,039 and it ties back to the idea that these gods 665 00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:17,519 were not magical. They were refugees or soldiers. They were 666 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,880 fighting for survival. Maybe they came here afterwards. 667 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: Which brings the war down to earth. The sources discussed 668 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,319 the war between the Greek Titans and the Olympians the Titanomichi. 669 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,000 We usually think of this as oh Zeus fought his dad, Cronus, 670 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,079 because he ate his kids. 671 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: It's a family drama. 672 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,519 Speaker 2: But look at the geography. You have the Titans on 673 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:39,559 Mount Autrees, you have the Olympians on Mount Olympus. These 674 00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:41,720 are two distinct physical locations. 675 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,279 Speaker 3: And Mount Olympus isn't just a mountain in the myths. 676 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,279 Speaker 2: No, it's described in the Iliad as a palace with 677 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,200 gleaming walls of gold and silver and blinking jewels. It 678 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,519 has gates that open on their. 679 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: Own, blinking jewels. 680 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: That sounds like a server room or a cockpit of 681 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,119 a spaceship or. 682 00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: A fortified military command post. If you reinterpret the War 683 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,119 of the Titans, not as a mystical struggle, but as 684 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,400 a tactical war between two extraterrestrial factions using the Earth 685 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,119 as a battlefield. The descriptions make a lot more sense. 686 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,359 Speaker 3: They're fighting a mountaintop to mountaintop war. 687 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: They are firing at each other from fortified high ground positions. 688 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,799 Thunderbolts are flying, the Earth is shaking. It sounds like artillery. 689 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: So the gods were extraterrestrial factions fighting a proxy war 690 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,200 or maybe a civil war right here on our planet. 691 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: And we, the early humans, were just caught in the 692 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,799 crossfire or worse, used as foot soldiers. Our myths are 693 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,200 just the war stories. 694 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: We told afterwards, which is a terrifying thought. 695 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: It makes it small, but it leads us to the 696 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,480 final and maybe most controversial part of our stack today. 697 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,680 Because if this happened in the past, is it still happening. 698 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:50,039 Speaker 2: This is where we get into modern disclosure. This is 699 00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,000 where we stop looking at old rocks and start looking 700 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,079 at new computer servers. 701 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:55,279 Speaker 3: We have to talk about Gary McKinnon. 702 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,079 Speaker 2: The hacker, the man who caused a massive diplomatic incident 703 00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,880 between the UK and the US and the early two thousands. 704 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: In two thousand and two, the Guy, a British systems administrator, 705 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,839 hacks into ninety seven US military and NASA computers. He's 706 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,799 looking for evidence of UFOs free energy, that sort of thing, 707 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,319 and he claims to have found something very specific. 708 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,599 Speaker 2: Not a blurry photo or a weird document. 709 00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: No, he says he found Excel spreadsheets. 710 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: Excel spreadsheets the most mundane thing in the world. But 711 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:23,960 what was on them? 712 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: Lists, specifically lists under the heading non terrestrial officer. 713 00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:32,359 Speaker 2: Nonterrestrial officers. Now playing Devil's advocate, Could that mean officers 714 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,279 stationed in foreign countries? Space Command has personnel all over 715 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:36,920 the globe. 716 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,519 Speaker 1: It's possible, but he claims the context made it clear. 717 00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:43,039 He says non terrestrial specifically implies not on Earth. 718 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 3: But there was more. 719 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: He found lists of fleet to fleet, cargo transfers, ship manifests, 720 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,799 but the ships had a prefix he'd never. 721 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 2: Seen, USSS, not USA, not USS like the Navy USSS, 722 00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:56,799 United States Space Ships. 723 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,319 Speaker 1: That implies a secret space fleet, a fleet that is 724 00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:02,960 distinct from NASA, distinct from the public space program. McKinnon 725 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880 believes he stumbled upon the roster for a clandestine military 726 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,679 space force, a program some whistleblowers call solar WORDOM This 727 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,920 aligns with the idea that we have mastered or reverse 728 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,039 engineered the technology you've been seeing. We're not just watching 729 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,079 the gods anymore. We've stolen their fire. 730 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: And he's not the only one saying this from a 731 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,199 position of authority. We have Paul. 732 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: Hellier, the former Canadian Defence minister. 733 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: This is the guy who oversaw the integration of the 734 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,639 Canadian armed forces in the nineteen sixties. This isn't a 735 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,119 guy in a tinfoil hat in a basement. This is 736 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,320 a G seven defence minister, a very serious man. 737 00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:38,679 Speaker 2: He is an extremely credible witness. He passed away in 738 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,800 twenty twenty one, but his testimony is blunt. He states unequivocally, 739 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,480 UFOs are as real as the airplanes flying over your head. 740 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,119 The US government is in contact with them, and. 741 00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,519 Speaker 3: He goes into detail about the bent. He's not vague, 742 00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:52,000 he is not. 743 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: He says it's not just one species. He mentions the 744 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,199 short grays, the tall whites, the mantis beings, reptilians. He 745 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,719 cites figures of anywhere from two to twelve different species 746 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,239 visiting or operating on Earth. 747 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 3: Confirmed, he says, by Apollo astronaut edgar Mitchell. 748 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,519 Speaker 2: Another highly credible source, the sixth Man to Walk on 749 00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:13,199 the Moon. Mitchell was very vocal before his death about 750 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,159 the fact that we're being visited and that there is 751 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:15,800 a cover up. 752 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,519 Speaker 1: But Hellier has a warning, doesn't he. It's not all 753 00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:20,599 peace and love and we come in peace. 754 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,639 Speaker 2: He does, and this connects everything back to the ancient 755 00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:27,119 myths in a really chilling way. He warns that these 756 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,199 different species have competing agendas. Some are benign, some are neutral, 757 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,119 and some are not. 758 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: He asks the big question, are they here for our 759 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,599 best interests or theirs? 760 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 2: He suggests some might see Earth as their territory, a 761 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,199 strategic piece of real estate in the galaxy, just. 762 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 3: Like the Olympians fighting the Titans for control of. 763 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 2: The planet, just like the Norse gods fighting the frost giants. 764 00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:49,559 It's the same story. 765 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? If we connect all 766 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,840 these threads, what's the tapestry look like? 767 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,119 Speaker 2: The picture that emerges is that the dynamic hasn't changed 768 00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:02,159 in ten thousand years. In the ancient texts, the gods 769 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:06,960 weren't benevolent creators. They were warring factions using high tech weaponry, 770 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,960 guided missiles, directed energy nukes to fight over territory, humans 771 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,239 were pawds or collateral damage, and hell, hell, you're is 772 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,719 suggesting that the situation today is exactly the same, only 773 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,119 the terminology has changed. We don't say demi gods anymore. 774 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,719 We say non terrestrial officers. We don't say magic spears, 775 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,760 we say directed energy weapons. The conflict is ongoing. 776 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: It's a continuous thread from Odin's laser sphere to Japanese supersteel, 777 00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:38,039 through the nuclear wasteland of the Maharada, passed the shattered 778 00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:41,079 planet in the asteroid Belt, and finally landing in the 779 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,159 secret computer files of the Pentagon. 780 00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: Humanity has been witnessing, recording, and trying to survive advanced 781 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,599 technology for thousands of years. We just called it mythology 782 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,119 because we didn't have the user manual. 783 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: That is a lot to process. It really reframes everything 784 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,440 about human history. 785 00:36:56,599 --> 00:37:00,599 Speaker 2: It rewrites the timeline of human innovation completely. It suggests 786 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,719 we aren't the inventors, we're the inheritors, or maybe just 787 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,280 the mimics. 788 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,599 Speaker 3: Before we go, I want to leave you with a 789 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:06,440 provocative thought. 790 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,519 Speaker 1: If the gods were actually just advanced military factions fighting 791 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,840 over territory, does that mean our history of human warfare 792 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,519 is just us mimicking our parents? 793 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,639 Speaker 2: That's a heavy question. Are we just acting out a 794 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,639 learned behavior? 795 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,639 Speaker 3: Think about it. 796 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,679 Speaker 1: Are we destined to build the Brahmastra the nuke because 797 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,599 it's in our technological DNA left by them? Are we 798 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,599 just re enacting their wars with the toys they left behind? 799 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,559 Are we children playing with a loaded gun we found 800 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:35,599 in dad's closet. 801 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,199 Speaker 2: It suggests our destructive nature might not be evolved, but inherited. 802 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,760 We learned from the best, or rather the worst. 803 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: So here's my question to you, the listener. If disclosure 804 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,840 happened tomorrow, if the President or the UN came out 805 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,159 and said yes, Mount Olympus was a crash spaceship and 806 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,599 Odin was a fleet commander, would that destroy your view 807 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,880 of human history? Or would it finally make everything mix. 808 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 2: It's the difference between thinking we are alone and the 809 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,159 masters of our own destiny and realizing we've been living 810 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,760 in a crowded house with warring landlords the whole time. 811 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 3: Exactly what is your stand? 812 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: Are we alone or are we just the ground troops 813 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000 in a very old war? Let us know in the comments, 814 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:16,960 We read them, and we really want to know what 815 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,280 you think. 816 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 3: About this one. 817 00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 2: Keep pulling at the threads. 818 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on thrilling Threads.