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Speaker 3: Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's
Speaker 3: time for another edition of The Flat Earth Files. I'm
Speaker 3: your host, George Hobbs as we record on this Tuesday,
Speaker 3: August twelfth, twenty twenty five. I hope this finds everybody
Speaker 3: well as we kick off our second to last interview
Speaker 3: on the podcast. Before we jump in today with John,
Speaker 3: just a quick message to Barbara and Forrest. They were
Speaker 3: scheduled to be interviewed yesterday, which would have been August eleventh,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, as I was telling John prior to this,
Speaker 3: that we had a funeral to attend young man who
Speaker 3: passed away twenty seven years old, and I just couldn't
Speaker 3: reschedule it. So again to Barbara and Forrest, I'm extremely sorry,
Speaker 3: from the bottom of my heart. That I couldn't share
Speaker 3: your story but unfortunate circumstances. But through these things that
Speaker 3: the pastor did take the time to share the Gospel
Speaker 3: of Jesus with the the folks there at the funeral.
Speaker 3: So when we talk about when good things come out
Speaker 3: of tragedies like that, that was certainly something. If one
Speaker 3: soul was saved, then God bless So there you go.
Speaker 3: We're going to kick off today's again the second or
Speaker 3: last interview we're going to do here on the Flat
Speaker 3: Earth Files. John from northeast Wyoming is joining us today
Speaker 3: and again, John, hopefully we've kicked away the tech monsters
Speaker 3: and we'll get through this. My apologies, So how are
Speaker 3: you doing, sir good? Hugh doing still good? Again? I apologize,
Speaker 3: Go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Hello, I'm John. I'm like he said, I'm from Wyoming.
Speaker 1: I guess I came across his whole flatter thing just
Speaker 1: from watching some YouTube videos of the like a lot
Speaker 1: of people, I guess, I don't know. I try not
Speaker 1: to put too much stock into everything everybody says, but anyways,
Speaker 1: I guess I really wasn't fully invested in the whole
Speaker 1: glow birth belief anyway, like evolution. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: evolution either, so I guess really it didn't really bother
Speaker 1: me when I heard it. I just didn't really pay
Speaker 1: much attention to it. But there was a YouTube channel
Speaker 1: called Truth is Stranger in Fiction, and he was the
Speaker 1: one where I first came across some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I came across like Rob Skiba and a
Speaker 1: few other people, and I don't know, I just got
Speaker 1: to thinking about some stuff. And I did listen to
Speaker 1: quite a bit of stuff for quite a while before
Speaker 1: I ever brought it up to my wife. And then
Speaker 1: I did finally get the couraged muster that, and I
Speaker 1: brought that up to her and it didn't go horrible,
Speaker 1: but it could have went at her. I guess she
Speaker 1: did kind of look at me like a calf with
Speaker 1: two heads. But anyways, we got through that. So that's
Speaker 1: where that is good stuff.
Speaker 3: How long have you been married? John?
Speaker 1: Will be thirty years this December second.
Speaker 3: God bless you. That's that's fantastic. So at thirty years
Speaker 3: you're able to kind of throw those things out there, right,
Speaker 3: you guys know each other good? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But she did, she did. She It was kind of
Speaker 1: tough for her.
Speaker 3: I think, well, for sure, and I think John, that
Speaker 3: this goes to not to distract from your intro, but
Speaker 3: how you can have a conversation with somebody about the
Speaker 3: moon landing or JFKA, these are very significant things, but
Speaker 3: to question the shape of the earth, and it's very
Speaker 3: it's received in an entire different way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. She was wanting to tell her sister
Speaker 1: about the podcast interview today, but I'm not. I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, get through this. And then it just seems
Speaker 1: like her sister and her husband are about the only
Speaker 1: real friends we have that we do anything with. And
Speaker 1: I just I know he is so much into school
Speaker 1: and college and I just don't know how that's going
Speaker 1: to go. But sooner or later we are going to
Speaker 1: have to let them know. Sure, So I don't know,
Speaker 1: but AnyWho, So we'll cross that bridge someday.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And were you able to see early on or
Speaker 3: at any point, the significance of the lie and how
Speaker 3: it's used against us, how it's used against followers of
Speaker 3: God to almost diminish his work and his creation.
Speaker 1: Not really at first. I do now I see how
Speaker 1: it could, but at first I was just too looking
Speaker 1: at all the other stuff. But yeah, now I can
Speaker 1: see how you know, they can get you through the
Speaker 1: fear and the media and everything that we're running out
Speaker 1: of resources. We've got meteors and asteroids that are going
Speaker 1: to come and take us out, or aliens are going
Speaker 1: to come. And it is I mean, I mean just
Speaker 1: scrolling through MSN you can have, or my Google page
Speaker 1: or whatever, just the new planets that are found, and
Speaker 1: I yeah, it does take away from God. And I
Speaker 1: just don't understand Christians who say they believe their Bible,
Speaker 1: who believe this. That's the thing that's the hardest to understand.
Speaker 3: I guess, Yeah, you made a great point. I think
Speaker 3: just today I saw on social media they found a
Speaker 3: newer was it like four light years or whatever they
Speaker 3: call it away And at this just another image of
Speaker 3: a ball that was green and blue and it could
Speaker 3: you know, have life on it and all these other things.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I don't know, so and I can see
Speaker 1: how it all just there's no need for God when
Speaker 1: when people look at this, they don't need God because
Speaker 1: you know, everything got here just fine, it just exploded
Speaker 1: and here we are. It's just it's insane.
Speaker 3: I don't know what do you say to the pastors
Speaker 3: who preached to their congregants that the evolution happened, the
Speaker 3: Big Bang happened, but it was all in God's doing.
Speaker 6: Is that not.
Speaker 3: Manipulating the word of God, because that's not what it says.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I fear for them, but because they're lying
Speaker 1: to people, and I don't know, you know, so many
Speaker 1: people will say, well, what does it matter? But I act,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just thinking a lot of times I've thought,
Speaker 1: you know, if Jesus, if somebody would have asked him,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have lied to him and just said what
Speaker 1: they wanted to hear. I mean, he would have said
Speaker 1: the truth. So even though they might not have believed
Speaker 1: it or whatever he told many times he told the
Speaker 1: truth and it angered them. So I just feel like
Speaker 1: these pastors are doing a great disservice in believing stuff
Speaker 1: that that the Bible clearly says didn't happen. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I think.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say the glossing of your email.
Speaker 3: That's something that you're pretty animate about, is that you
Speaker 3: can't understand, you know, people who claim to believe the Bible,
Speaker 3: yet they still argue what it clearly says in plain language.
Speaker 3: And second is the frustration that you see with the
Speaker 3: indoctrination that our children are subjected to. And even in
Speaker 3: a paper I was I think his name is John Fee,
Speaker 3: Pentecostal guy who wrote a paper about people not understanding
Speaker 3: not how to read the Bible or you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to read this because it doesn't mean anything,
Speaker 3: not understanding the whole Bible. It's just when you have
Speaker 3: a child that goes to Sunday school in church for
Speaker 3: two hours a day. And this is what he specifically mentioned.
Speaker 3: And then it's interesting when you say things and then
Speaker 3: you see someone else write it. He says something that
Speaker 3: I've been saying for a long time, is they're in
Speaker 3: church for an hour or two and then they go
Speaker 3: out into the secular world for the other six days,
Speaker 3: between school and television and social media and YouTube. It's
Speaker 3: a losing battle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for sure. And they're teaching him so much
Speaker 1: more than just all this other stuff. I mean, they
Speaker 1: say trust the science, but now we don't even know
Speaker 1: what a male or a female is anymore. So it's
Speaker 1: just like crazy, I don't get it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's sad.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: But it's also evil. It's inherently evil when you think
Speaker 3: about it, because God made man and he made woman
Speaker 3: the end, nothing more and every person out there. God
Speaker 3: did not make a mistake when he made Johnny or Judy, right,
Speaker 3: And this is a psychological operation, yep, it truly is
Speaker 3: just an evil psychological operation that now we could argue
Speaker 3: John that things that are put in our water and
Speaker 3: our food that may play part of the confusion or
Speaker 3: ultra hormones even, but make no mistake, God made you
Speaker 3: the way you were. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I know they're manipulating a lot of that stuff too,
Speaker 1: but that's still is a whole nother conversation that people
Speaker 1: will willfully dismiss. I mean, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's sad, it's difficult.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about your journey because we're all on
Speaker 3: this side of the front. Now, where was there a
Speaker 3: time with John when you were like everybody else, you know,
Speaker 3: they call him a normy for lack of a better words.
Speaker 3: And now that you're on this side of the fence,
Speaker 3: I guess the first question I should ask you was
Speaker 3: number one. I guess we could talk about did you
Speaker 3: grow up in the church, your walk in faith, and
Speaker 3: then when did you start to see the world was
Speaker 3: not truly how it is presented to us.
Speaker 1: Well, I did go to church a little bit when
Speaker 1: I was little. My mom took us, but I didn't
Speaker 1: grow up in church, and I can't remember. I think
Speaker 1: it was called the Brian Fundamental Church that I went
Speaker 1: to here in Wyoming somewhere. But anyways, you know, I
Speaker 1: think I went to vacation Bible school and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but I have very few memories of church. But even
Speaker 1: when I went to church later, it was not like,
Speaker 1: you know, the dots had ever been connected. Nobody ever
Speaker 1: told me about Jesus really and you know, any or
Speaker 1: sin or any of that. So that was I really
Speaker 1: didn't become a Christian until after my wife and I
Speaker 1: got married. She wanted to go to church, and I
Speaker 1: just I just wanted to be the good husband, you know,
Speaker 1: and not argue. So I went to church. But I
Speaker 1: was one of those few huggers that kept holding on
Speaker 1: to So I don't really remember when I was that
Speaker 1: I prayed for salvation, but somewhere in the early nineties.
Speaker 1: But so we've been going to this church that she
Speaker 1: from the small town she grew up and that's where
Speaker 1: we got married. So that's where we are there. We've
Speaker 1: been going to church now for see. I think we
Speaker 1: started going in maybe ninety eight, ninety nine somewhere in there,
Speaker 1: so we've been going a while now. But anyways, I
Speaker 1: still struggled there. You know, there's just a lot of
Speaker 1: things I think they teach that. You know, we just
Speaker 1: had a vacation Bible school and the guy that did
Speaker 1: they did they called it Jurassic Park. It was supposedly
Speaker 1: about the dinosaurs and stuff. But anyways, they got to
Speaker 1: talking about the firmament and he just said that that
Speaker 1: was the sky. But it's like, so we you know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask the guy, but I struggle there
Speaker 1: because I have tried talking to the pastor before and
Speaker 1: then he's made it sound like people who try and
Speaker 1: question anything or just arguing Bible with him. Well I'm
Speaker 1: not arguing. I just want to discuss this stuff. But
Speaker 1: I would like to ask the guy what he thinks
Speaker 1: of you know what Jove thirty seven eighteen says that
Speaker 1: he spread out the sky hard as a molten strong
Speaker 1: as a molten looking glass. No, now, how does that
Speaker 1: translate into sky. I just don't get it. So I
Speaker 1: struggle there. I would like to talk to them about stuff,
Speaker 1: but I have already, uh had a round or two
Speaker 1: about some other Bible stuff that I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm not a Calvinist, so but he just usually
Speaker 1: brings up Calvinists. But I believe God it sovereign and
Speaker 1: He's going to save whoever he wants, and that's not
Speaker 1: up to me. And so when predestination is in the
Speaker 1: Bible and it means predetermined, if you want to argue
Speaker 1: about predestination, then you're arguing against the Bible. I guess
Speaker 1: that's all it comes down to. I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about anything. I just know what the Bible says, and
Speaker 1: I'm goun to stand on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's interesting because you know, we're quick to say,
Speaker 3: you know, point out Luther and Wesley or Luther, pardon me, Wesley,
Speaker 3: Calvin and all those guys. But really, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, it's just there's sixty six chemical arranged
Speaker 3: books that is God's inspired word. I do believe the
Speaker 3: other books could be looked at as supplemental reading. And
Speaker 3: it's interesting though, you know, I went to seminary because
Speaker 3: I wanted to be able to answer the hard questions,
Speaker 3: and just in the short period of time that I've
Speaker 3: been in there, you don't get the hard questions answered.
Speaker 3: It's really more about just you know, the whole scope
Speaker 3: of it as hermeneutics and just trying to understand the Bible.
Speaker 3: And they give you the tasks of you know, here's
Speaker 3: two verses from Philippians. You know, write a fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: word exegetical paper on these two verses. And that's really
Speaker 3: how you learn the Bible. It should be read in order,
Speaker 3: but it should be read in such small amounts through
Speaker 3: a journal using a strong concordance, understanding who's the audience, right,
Speaker 3: who is this being? The for instance, like is it
Speaker 3: a Pauline letter? Is it the Galatians? Is it the Philippians?
Speaker 3: Or is it to all of us? Is it to Adam?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: You know? And all of these things have to be
Speaker 3: taken into consideration when you're reading the Bible. You're not
Speaker 3: reading it like any other novel. But every single word,
Speaker 3: no matter if it's the Old Testament or the New Testament,
Speaker 3: they all have meaning. And most of the Bible interconnects
Speaker 3: the Old Testament. Those guys who wrote it, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, John,
Speaker 3: the Elder Paul, they all cite Old Testament. So it
Speaker 3: is important that we read the entire Bible. But we
Speaker 3: have to do it in such a fashion where you've
Speaker 3: got your journal out, you've got strong scuncordance out. Any
Speaker 3: word that is questionable to you, you have to go
Speaker 3: in and find the meaning to fully understand it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I have an app on my phone that
Speaker 1: i've well, I found it a long time ago. It's
Speaker 1: called esword. I don't remember the name of the man who.
Speaker 1: It seems like his first name was Rick, But anyways,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's an awesome app. But anyways,
Speaker 1: I have the King James with the strongest numbers, so
Speaker 1: I can usually look up the words and so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've used that a lot when I talk to people
Speaker 1: on Facebook, because I do try and do a lot
Speaker 1: of that. I talked to people on Facebook and on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, people probably think I troll mctoon
Speaker 1: and I probably do. I like he's one of my
Speaker 1: favorites because that that man will not talk have a
Speaker 1: decent conversation with anybody, but he acts like he, you know,
Speaker 1: knows everything, and then nobody wants to debate him. Well,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to debate you because you're a child. The
Speaker 1: guy will treat you like it's it's it's It's amazing
Speaker 1: how they'll treat people over over a belief of something
Speaker 1: they've never even been able to prove themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. That's a good segue if we could,
Speaker 3: since we're here already. By the way, did you say
Speaker 3: it's called the East Sword East Sword? Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 3: found it. I put the Lincoln the notes of people
Speaker 3: in it. That looks really awesome. By the way, it's
Speaker 3: got the everything there. It's an entire Yeah, very good.
Speaker 3: So let's let's talk about mctoon McDuffie. The the the
Speaker 3: fake experiment as you call it, certainly wasn't the final experiment.
Speaker 1: It wasn't.
Speaker 3: But you know, I wish I lived close because I
Speaker 3: always wondered, Well, Duffy obviously, I'm just going to say
Speaker 3: factually he does have a pretty big lawsuit against him
Speaker 3: for fraud. But Nicktoon, let's just believe Will Duffy out
Speaker 3: of it for now. For Micktoon, what is the basis
Speaker 3: that you disagree with him on mostly other than the obvious.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I have watched him trying debate, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to watch him debate because I mean even you know,
Speaker 1: and I've lost all I don't even pay any attention
Speaker 1: to ws IT and darren Ism anymore. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing is, I mean I watched him debate with it,
Speaker 1: and he just kept yelling this one sane thing over
Speaker 1: and over again, and he would talk over him because
Speaker 1: he just thought that was the point. But that whole
Speaker 1: fake experiment, I mean, it kind of was a blessing
Speaker 1: though when it came about, because we were able to
Speaker 1: talk to our son about it, because you know, it
Speaker 1: was kind of funny. I don't know what my wife
Speaker 1: was talking to our son about, but anyways, he said
Speaker 1: something about, well, at least you don't believe that Earth
Speaker 1: is flat, and then she's kind of like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: actually we do. So when this fake experiment thing came out,
Speaker 1: he called up and talked about how you know, this
Speaker 1: proved that the Earth was flat or a globe because
Speaker 1: of the sun, and so we had a I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was an over hour conversation with him, and so
Speaker 1: it actually went good. So but you know, he still
Speaker 1: believes the Earth is a globe. But we'll keep working
Speaker 1: at it. But as far as mctoone, I just I
Speaker 1: tried to pin him down on something too, and this
Speaker 1: is actually on my notes about one of the things
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up was about the Polaris location
Speaker 1: relative to Earth, because they liked to try and use that.
Speaker 1: So I just used the globe math for what the
Speaker 1: dis circum or the diameter of the Earth was, the
Speaker 1: diameter of the Sun and the distance from Earth to Sun,
Speaker 1: and so like, if i was standing on at the
Speaker 1: equator on the one side of the Earth, and then
Speaker 1: six months later I'm standing on the equator on the
Speaker 1: other side of the Earth at night both times or whatever,
Speaker 1: that's one hundred and eighty six million, eight hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty one thousand, two hundred and twenty two zero point
Speaker 1: four miles of movement I would move in six months
Speaker 1: standing using their math. So I tried to ask him
Speaker 1: what the inclination angle was back to Polaris, if it's
Speaker 1: directly over the Earth, or it can't be directly over
Speaker 1: the Earth. It has to because if it's directly over
Speaker 1: the Earth, on the other half at six months later.
Speaker 1: It's not directly over the Earth. It has to be
Speaker 1: directly over the sun. So I asked him what the
Speaker 1: inclination angle was because he's so into math, and he
Speaker 1: wouldn't give me an answer. And he can't give me
Speaker 1: an answer, So I kept at him that day and
Speaker 1: he never But it was funny because none of his
Speaker 1: glober buddies would ever jump in and try and answer
Speaker 1: the question for him, because they're all about math. So
Speaker 1: give me that math. So I even drew a diagram
Speaker 1: of that. And the only thing he could say, because actually,
Speaker 1: if you're according to the tilt of the Earth, and
Speaker 1: if you're standing at the equator at the winter time
Speaker 1: on the other side, you are standing below the you
Speaker 1: would not actually even be able to see Polaris the
Speaker 1: angle back to over the sun. So I drew that
Speaker 1: diagram and he said, it's not to scale, That's all
Speaker 1: he would say. So he just wants to scale. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: how am I going to draw that to scale? I mean,
Speaker 1: first of all, I asked him, how far you know
Speaker 1: Polaris was above us? He won't even give me an
Speaker 1: answer to that. How could I draw it to scale?
Speaker 1: Tell me how far away it is? You don't even know.
Speaker 1: And every time they use those angles, what is at
Speaker 1: the latitude and longitude the lines on a ball. It's
Speaker 1: funny because that that bottom of that triangle goes to
Speaker 1: the middle of the Earth and then it goes out
Speaker 1: from there. That's not how it works perfectly on a
Speaker 1: flat plane, but on a ball, that's how they do it.
Speaker 1: They take and draw it clear down to the center.
Speaker 1: It's like that, and it makes sense to them. That's
Speaker 1: the weird part. I guess I don't know the interesting time.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, go ahead continue.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm so that's That's basically all I had to
Speaker 1: say about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just so anyhow, it's interesting to me, Like
Speaker 3: I personally have never met anyone who really, you know,
Speaker 3: came upon this evidence said yes, of course the earth
Speaker 3: is flat, that makes sense and then never gone back. However,
Speaker 3: you have people like you mentioned with's it and Jarinism
Speaker 3: I think his name is that completely flip flop?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 3: Do you think that was all part of a plann
Speaker 3: or is it simple drifting? Or why would someone do that?
Speaker 3: Knowing that we know people just never say oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we're I was wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. It's almost like
Speaker 1: there was money involved in the deal, because I just
Speaker 1: don't know how you can dude. At first, you know,
Speaker 1: I like Dave Weiss and everything. I wish he was
Speaker 1: a Christian. Yeah, but I mean I at first I
Speaker 1: had dropped my subscription because I thought he was in
Speaker 1: on it. But I see he's still standing strong for that,
Speaker 1: so I re enabled my subscriptions. But uh, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that whole thing. And I looked up there's a place
Speaker 1: it's called the Sphere in Las Vegas. That's right, that
Speaker 1: it's almost like a movie theater. And so I just
Speaker 1: there's just too many anomalies that happened, and that weird stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, like when wizz it had to go away
Speaker 1: from the camera just to pick up snow, I couldn't
Speaker 1: reach down and snow where he was at. You know,
Speaker 1: there was something on. Yeah, I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't. I don't think anybody that goes
Speaker 1: believes the Earth is flat ever goes back. I just don't.
Speaker 3: I don't either. I've never met one person to do that.
Speaker 3: And listen, there's I've even had people on the podcast
Speaker 3: who may not be one hundred percent you know, on board,
Speaker 3: but I think most of that is just, you know,
Speaker 3: that they don't want to be called a flat earth
Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be. But yeah, it's sad
Speaker 3: to see anybody to grift, especially when you know, I've
Speaker 3: got hundreds and hundreds of emails that prove that, you know,
Speaker 3: this lie has kept the veil over people's eyes and
Speaker 3: has kept them from understanding the truth. And again we're
Speaker 3: not saying that this is a salvation issue. There are
Speaker 3: plenty of people who don't, you know, believe in flat
Speaker 3: Earth that are going to go to heaven. However, it
Speaker 3: can be argued, and I can cite many cases where
Speaker 3: it has hindered people's ability to see God's creation and
Speaker 3: it leads them to understand that there is a creator,
Speaker 3: which leads them back to the Bible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I believe that too.
Speaker 3: Before you can't. By the way, I should ask you
Speaker 3: about what year did you come to flat Earth?
Speaker 1: Yeah? About about twenty fifteen, somewhere in there, I think
Speaker 1: maybe even I think I probably was watching stuff pre
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, but I don't think I really believed until
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, twenty sixty somewhere around in there. I mean
Speaker 1: I've been watching and listening to a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: since then, but yeah, somewhere around there. Twenty twelve to
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: So growing up and when you're first presented with the
Speaker 3: moon landing in the years to follow, what were your
Speaker 3: thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: I never really thought about the moon landing. It was
Speaker 1: after all this other stuff is when I started thinking
Speaker 1: about how crazy it is to think that, you know,
Speaker 1: that man walked on the back. I mean, I've been
Speaker 1: struggling with I just and I had a pastor in
Speaker 1: our church actually stood at the pulpit and said that
Speaker 1: we went to the moon. And I don't even know
Speaker 1: where that came from. I mean, I don't even remember
Speaker 1: what he was talking about that day, but he said,
Speaker 1: we landed on the moon. There's no denying that. And
Speaker 1: I just I was I don't know, I know my
Speaker 1: mouth had to be open, but I just I just
Speaker 1: still can't get past I mean, God would let Nimrod
Speaker 1: build a tower that would reach to heaven, but yet
Speaker 1: He's gonna let puny man build rockets and fire him
Speaker 1: off and we're going to go walking on something he
Speaker 1: said is just a light and then to try and
Speaker 1: say that with a straight face and say I'm a Christian.
Speaker 1: I would struggle doing that. I for sure, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think that was one of the biggest stories. That
Speaker 3: was kind of those waking up moments after you know,
Speaker 3: five years ago my discussion with David Weiss, and obviously
Speaker 3: I connected the dots to the bigger picture of this
Speaker 3: was all a ruse to hide the creation of God
Speaker 3: into discount God's creation. And again, I hope, you know,
Speaker 3: Dave does eventually find his way to Christ. He at
Speaker 3: least gotten to the point where he realizes there's a creator,
Speaker 3: which is is a step forward, and hopefully he can
Speaker 3: take that next step. But yeah, you know, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you that this is a huge deal. And like you said,
Speaker 3: that was the one story that really opened my mind
Speaker 3: at the Tower of Babel that oh, it wasn't just
Speaker 3: about you know, scattering the people and changing the language.
Speaker 3: It was about people were genuinely trying to reach Heaven.
Speaker 3: And when you look at that, it was a mile
Speaker 3: and a half high, a picture of building a mile
Speaker 3: and a half high. These people were genuinely trying and
Speaker 3: that's the that was the moment where it really clicked that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they would not be on a ball,
Speaker 3: building a tower trying to reach Heaven.
Speaker 1: No, they wouldn't because they thought it was they thought
Speaker 1: they could get to it. So yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're talking to people just that were that time,
Speaker 3: and people like to discount. Are those people They couldn't read,
Speaker 3: they couldn't write, They weren't very smart. Are you kidding
Speaker 3: me that they know every remedy for what plant to
Speaker 3: fix this? To do that, they had show me somebody
Speaker 3: to build a building a mile and a half today,
Speaker 3: show me that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, of the cathedrals, I mean you just look
Speaker 1: at them. Three. Something went on. I don't know what,
Speaker 1: but who has a door that's like thirty two feet tall?
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just thinking about changing the hinges
Speaker 1: on that bad boy, But I don't know. It's something
Speaker 1: went on. I just don't know what it was. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then the other one is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the Bible says the stars are going to fall to
Speaker 1: the earth, not the Earth is going to run into
Speaker 1: the stars. But I do I remember I thought about
Speaker 1: this long time ago too, But I mean it seems
Speaker 1: to me odd that they believe everything exploded in the
Speaker 1: Big Bang and that's how everything ended up out there.
Speaker 1: But yet we have all that movement, like you know,
Speaker 1: like that whole one hundred and six million miles or
Speaker 1: whatever of movement, and yet you don't bump into a
Speaker 1: star ever, but the start, how are the stars, you know,
Speaker 1: trillions of light years ahead of us when we all
Speaker 1: came from the same Big bang? Apparently? It just I
Speaker 1: don't think people really think about what it is they believe,
Speaker 1: and they just believe it because somebody said it, and
Speaker 1: which is sad. I don't think. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: our son, he's an intelligent man and he can think,
Speaker 1: but he just doesn't take the time to critically think
Speaker 1: about this stuff. I think if he would critically think
Speaker 1: about it, it would he'd understand a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I mean, just I don't know, not believing what everybody
Speaker 1: else told me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's important. So what you're saying is spot on.
Speaker 3: And somebody had mentioned that in a private conversation while
Speaker 3: that everyone should reassess their presuppositions every now and then,
Speaker 3: because the presuppositions are how we react to things, Because
Speaker 3: that's how our thoughts are ingrain. So everybody should take
Speaker 3: a moment and say, Okay, why do I think this?
Speaker 3: You write all of these things that are presuppositions, right?
Speaker 3: Why are they that way? These these underlying assumptions or
Speaker 3: beliefs that influence our reasoning and the conclusions that we draw,
Speaker 3: and as we gain wisdom and as we learn all
Speaker 3: of these life lessons, it's important to take time to
Speaker 3: reflect and look at our presuppositions and to look why
Speaker 3: do we think that way?
Speaker 1: Yeah? See in this pastor that it was at our
Speaker 1: church that said about the moon landings. He was educated
Speaker 1: at the Christian Bible College in what is that that
Speaker 1: one that's in Florida. That's Pensacola, Pensacola. He went to Pensacola,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I mean, it's hard to know
Speaker 1: what they were teaching there, but it's hard to understand
Speaker 1: how you could go to a Bible college and then
Speaker 1: walk out of there and believe that we landed on
Speaker 1: the moon. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Pensacola Christian College.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So I mean, but there's just so many things,
Speaker 1: other things too that I've been just another cool thing too,
Speaker 1: I actually saw this on Dave Weiss's app on one
Speaker 1: of his videos. Have you ever tried go going to
Speaker 1: Google Earth and then you can measure around Antarctica?
Speaker 3: It breaks to do that.
Speaker 1: Their own technology is breaking down. And then when you
Speaker 1: bring that up, they'll they'll just the globers will dismiss it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a flaw. And it's like, but yet
Speaker 1: their technology is the reason that I can, you know,
Speaker 1: have this video online with you and I can have
Speaker 1: my phone in my hand and it's all because of
Speaker 1: Globe Worth technology that I have all this stuff. So
Speaker 1: but but Google Earth has broke their technology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you try to draw a circle around it, It
Speaker 3: just they can't do it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you can't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. Sorry, go ahead, no, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I was saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The Pensacola Christian College does teach dispensationalism, which was
Speaker 3: popularized by John Darby. Soh yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so and see, and that's what most of these
Speaker 1: people are just being I don't know, it's it's the
Speaker 1: same as a Globe Earth. I mean, they're going to
Speaker 1: these schools and they're they're they're being taught with the
Speaker 1: what the professor whoever teaching them believes that's what they
Speaker 1: walk away learning. It's not they're I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: hard because I just think that if you would just
Speaker 1: teach the Bible, they wouldn't walk away with these other beliefs.
Speaker 1: I mean, just let the Bible speak for itself, which
Speaker 1: is what I need to do. I need to let
Speaker 1: it speak for itself whatever it says, no matter how
Speaker 1: hard it is for me to believe. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It's only whether it's true or not. If it's true,
Speaker 1: and if the Bible says it, I need to believe it.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't say anything about it, then you know,
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I always tell people it's very important.
Speaker 3: If their pastor on Sunday is not citing a Bible
Speaker 3: verse every two to three minutes, they probably need to
Speaker 3: pull them aside and remind them that if you're not
Speaker 3: citing the Bible during your sermon, then you're giving your opinion.
Speaker 3: You're not teaching it gospel.
Speaker 1: I mean our new pastor, I do like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's passionate about the Gospel. He likes to I don't know,
Speaker 1: I really wish that I could just be able to
Speaker 1: go out and just witness out on the street with
Speaker 1: him or something. But you know that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: I don't really have anybody around here that I could
Speaker 1: go do it with myself. But I mean, I used
Speaker 1: to do a lot of tracks and then I quit.
Speaker 1: But I need I need to get back to doing that.
Speaker 1: But an idea I come up with, and I wrote
Speaker 1: this down, is I was thinking about making a tract
Speaker 1: with Dave Weiss's app. You know that you could have
Speaker 1: that on there, but also have he has that what
Speaker 1: is it a user code or whatever, so you could
Speaker 1: what I was thinking if if I made it, I
Speaker 1: could put the two dollars in it, or whoever gave
Speaker 1: it out, you put the two dollars in it and
Speaker 1: give him the money to buy the app, you know,
Speaker 1: because it does cost like two dollars. I think for the.
Speaker 3: Apple it's like two nine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, even if you put five butts in there, you
Speaker 1: might get somebody to buy the app. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: they got it started. But also put the gospel in
Speaker 1: there and they need you know, but I haven't. I
Speaker 1: just got to take the time to do all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to work on stuff around here and
Speaker 1: just stay too busy. But I got to get to
Speaker 1: this winter. I want to try and make a tract
Speaker 1: and try and work something up there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, that's awesome. And our our code still
Speaker 3: works folks if you it's f E files and I
Speaker 3: think to this day we're still the number four top
Speaker 3: oh wow code in there. I think close to five
Speaker 3: hundred referrals. So but that's a great idea that you
Speaker 3: should approach Dave and maybe even say, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: if I do this, can maybe a discount to get
Speaker 3: people into your app or something like that where you
Speaker 3: can just create a QR code or copy his to
Speaker 3: and put it on the Bible track and and then
Speaker 3: you know, with the people find er if they if
Speaker 3: they're willing to do that, they can you know, they
Speaker 3: can have conversations with like minded people.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, that's a good idea. So anyways, I gotta
Speaker 1: get with that. I just got so many things that yeah,
Speaker 1: well I had down here, wrote down Dean Koon's Eye
Speaker 1: of Darkness. Have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 3: He's an author. I'm aware of Dean Koon's man, I'm
Speaker 3: not aware of I of.
Speaker 1: Darkness nine, He wrote a paperback book, The Eye of Darkness.
Speaker 1: And the way I come across this was I saw
Speaker 1: something on Facebook once, oh you, and like I said,
Speaker 1: you can't everything that you see on Facebook. But in
Speaker 1: it it has a wu hand four hundred virus that
Speaker 1: was one deadly from wu Han, China, what I remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I didn't just believe the Facebook post. But
Speaker 1: we several years ago, our daughter got married in Montana
Speaker 1: and we stayed at this bed and breakfast and just happened.
Speaker 1: It was a big house. That's what he did, was
Speaker 1: he saved old houses and they moved him out there.
Speaker 1: It was actually you could get married out there and
Speaker 1: have wedding ceremonies and all sorts of stuff. Anyways, it
Speaker 1: was a huge house, had like seven or eight bedrooms.
Speaker 1: But anyways, there was a bookcase in there, and that
Speaker 1: that book, that paperback was on that shelf. So I
Speaker 1: picked it up and turned to I like three oh
Speaker 1: one or three oh two, and it literally was in there.
Speaker 1: I took a picture of it, and I went and
Speaker 1: showed our son, but he just dismissed it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: here it is a paperback that was, you know, printed
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two. Now I'm not saying he's a prophet,
Speaker 1: but it sounds to me like somebody's playing off of
Speaker 1: a script at the very least. But I actually saw
Speaker 1: it in the in the book, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it says right here. The novel mentions a bioweapon
Speaker 3: that in earlier editions is named Gorky four hundred after
Speaker 3: the Soviet city of Gorky, which was created, and then
Speaker 3: because of the end of the Cold War, the origin
Speaker 3: of the bioweapon was changed to the Chinese city of
Speaker 3: Wuhan and was renamed Wuhan four hundred for the nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty nine edition onwards. So they actually changed it in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: I did that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that even changed that. That prompted more speculation
Speaker 3: that in twenty twenty Coots had somehow predicted And it's
Speaker 3: not predicting the coronavirus. It's reinforcing these psychological operations, so
Speaker 3: when it happens, you more easily accepted. So the movies
Speaker 3: like Outbreak and Contagion and these books like Eye of Darkness.
Speaker 3: It plants seeds, so when the things happen, you're more
Speaker 3: apt to believe it, not question the events.
Speaker 1: Yep. So yeah, I thought That was pretty crazy. But
Speaker 1: what I found crazier was their willingness to just dismiss it.
Speaker 1: You know, I even said it to my son in
Speaker 1: law and he said it was a He said it
Speaker 1: was a fictional book. Well, yeah, it was a fictional book,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to even acknowledge that it's in there.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The cognitive dissonance they say is really severe.
Speaker 3: It sure is. I wonder if anybody's looked into him
Speaker 3: to see if he is right, how these people are
Speaker 3: put on the world stage and these type of things.
Speaker 3: I wonder where his connection is. I have to take
Speaker 3: a look into his history and see where he fits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was going to say too, the reason,
Speaker 1: the only the way I came across your podcast was
Speaker 1: I was watching this Z media or whatever and she
Speaker 1: was doing an interviewing interview with Erastus Scipio or something
Speaker 1: like that. Oh yeah, So anyways, I came across him,
Speaker 1: and then that's how I found you, because you were
Speaker 1: interviewing Cypo. So that's how I got to you. So
Speaker 1: it's been a journey, just little pieces here and there,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of cool that, you know, just
Speaker 1: I watched somebody that interviewed him and then found him
Speaker 1: being interviewed by you, and so here I am.
Speaker 3: That's interesting how the connections work. Yeah, in your silver bullets,
Speaker 3: what would you consider your sixth most important proofs? That
Speaker 3: the globe is a lie and that we are an
Speaker 3: immovable flat plane?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, like I said that polaris location relative to Earth,
Speaker 1: that's one. But also I found that interesting. And I
Speaker 1: don't even know how I got to thinking about this,
Speaker 1: but I went and used their technology again the chat
Speaker 1: GPT and googled the fast supersonic airplane or whatever, and
Speaker 1: that's where I came up with a SR seventy one Blackbird.
Speaker 1: And then so I asked it a few questions. First
Speaker 1: of all, I wanted to find out, you know, according
Speaker 1: to their calculations, the globe math calculations, how fast that
Speaker 1: plane went, and it does like two thousand, one and
Speaker 1: ninety three miles per hour. So I wanted to find out, well,
Speaker 1: how far around their globe would it make it in
Speaker 1: one hour? And that was three million, two hundred and
Speaker 1: six thousand, one hundred and sixty six feet or six
Speaker 1: hundred and seven miles it would travel in one hour
Speaker 1: so then I took and I divided that by the
Speaker 1: sixty minutes to find out how far in one minute
Speaker 1: would it have to nose down to get around their globe.
Speaker 1: And it is an astounding ten point one one six
Speaker 1: six six dot dot dot a minute, ten miles a
Speaker 1: minute that thing has to drop to get around the globe.
Speaker 1: And then so when you bring that up to the globers,
Speaker 1: they say that you wouldn't even feel that because it's
Speaker 1: not it's not actually nosing down, it's just staying level
Speaker 1: with whatever altitude it's at around the atmosphere of the globe.
Speaker 1: And it's like you're telling me that that I can
Speaker 1: feel a plane to send from thirty five thousand feet,
Speaker 1: but I can't feel a plane that's dropping ten point
Speaker 1: one one six miles a minute. That just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: So again that's just the cognitive dissonance. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the fact is, if you're in a plane
Speaker 3: and you have a gyroscope and you fly straight, you're
Speaker 3: not going to go off in an outer space, which
Speaker 3: is another proof that people have, like, like you said,
Speaker 3: that cognitive dissonance. They can't just unpack these small things
Speaker 3: that we see. But to them, they just can't process.
Speaker 1: No. I don't know how they because I don't know
Speaker 1: how they say a gyroscope only works on a globe.
Speaker 1: That's the exact total opposite. I mean, the gyroscope is
Speaker 1: not affected by gravity. It's staying straight up and down.
Speaker 1: Any deviation from straight up and down is what shows
Speaker 1: whether you're climbing or whether you're descending. I don't know
Speaker 1: how they can get around that, but I guess if
Speaker 1: you say it long enough and loud enough, people believe it.
Speaker 1: There you go. Let's see my next one. Oh, there
Speaker 1: was a I was talking to this guy just a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, three days ago maybe, on Facebook,
Speaker 1: and he was talking about being able to look h
Speaker 1: you know, like say stand over in the United States
Speaker 1: and then look across to another country across the ocean.
Speaker 1: That you should be able to see the other country.
Speaker 1: So I asked him about you know, the dust and
Speaker 1: the pollution and the you know, the vapors coming off
Speaker 1: the ocean or you know whatever would block that, and
Speaker 1: he said that that shouldn't come into effect. And I
Speaker 1: was like, how can that not? I mean, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was saying that, why can't I look straight up
Speaker 1: and see something and not look sideways and be able
Speaker 1: to see something. It's like you're telling me you're going
Speaker 1: to I mean, all the dust, where's it going to be.
Speaker 1: It's going to be at the earth. The water, vapor
Speaker 1: is going to be at the earth. I mean the steam,
Speaker 1: I mean all that's a pollution. I mean some of
Speaker 1: it goes up, but most of the time it's trying
Speaker 1: to go down, And so you're going to be able
Speaker 1: to see more when you look up than you are
Speaker 1: when you look side ways. But to him, he just
Speaker 1: hasn't in his mind that there is absolutely no way
Speaker 1: that he should be able to not be able to see,
Speaker 1: if this is a flat plane, be able to see
Speaker 1: another country. Now that's also you know another thing. I
Speaker 1: was talking to him about the ocean. Okay, they say
Speaker 1: the water is pulled to the center of mass. So
Speaker 1: I asked him, Okay, now you've got the ocean, say
Speaker 1: you've got in the middle, it's a mile deep, and
Speaker 1: is the water going to be pulled to the center
Speaker 1: of mass so that it's level or is it going
Speaker 1: to stay humped up? And according to them, it's going
Speaker 1: to stay humped up. It's not going to get pulled
Speaker 1: to the center of mass. How can that be? How
Speaker 1: could it? I just don't understand what it is. They
Speaker 1: they won't tell you how it can stay up. They
Speaker 1: they'll just throw throw your meme with a water droplet
Speaker 1: or a surfer ride in a wave and tell you
Speaker 1: how the water concur That's that's I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I asked them. How explain to me
Speaker 3: how if we're on a ball, how does the water
Speaker 3: stick to the ball? And how does the rivers flow north,
Speaker 3: especially in South America when they're not only flowing north,
Speaker 3: but they're flowing up right and it and they just
Speaker 3: give you ma math equations.
Speaker 1: I know, I I do like this. This one guy
Speaker 1: I used to work with a long time ago. He
Speaker 1: was an older guy, but he was he was trying
Speaker 1: to give a jab to a one of the management
Speaker 1: that was on a tour or whatever. But he just
Speaker 1: said something. I just happened to be walking along and
Speaker 1: it just caused me to giggle. But he said something
Speaker 1: about Liar's figure and figures lie. But he didn't have
Speaker 1: much to say about that. Yeah, you can make anything,
Speaker 1: say whatever you wanted to say, if you try hard enough,
Speaker 1: so I would just say that the stars are going
Speaker 1: to fall to Earth. That we don't bump into the
Speaker 1: stars at least is one thing that I would just
Speaker 1: like them to answer. I really would like them to
Speaker 1: answer the thing about the location of Polaris. I really
Speaker 1: would like somebody to use their Mathew math skills and
Speaker 1: give me the answer to what the inclination angle from
Speaker 1: the equator back to Polaris would be. M I guess
Speaker 1: that was probably really it. I don't really I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about and then being able to look horizontally to
Speaker 1: other countries. Oh, and then the Bible I just son
Speaker 1: on day so I just I guess I would really
Speaker 1: like a Christian to answer what the Earth was doing
Speaker 1: until the sun was created on day four? What was
Speaker 1: what was it just hanging around? And then you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the sun stopped in Joshua. I mean people
Speaker 1: don't really think about that, but I mean you're saying
Speaker 1: the Earth was spending one thousand and thirty four miles
Speaker 1: an hour and it just stopped. And they always use
Speaker 1: that it's it's the Earth is so big that makes
Speaker 1: that somehow not one thousand and thirty four miles an hour,
Speaker 1: which is just man, I don't get it. And then
Speaker 1: they'll like to throw in well, if you're in a plane,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't feel it moving. Well, yeah, but stand on
Speaker 1: top of the plane, you're gonna feel it moving.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. We're not standing in the plane
Speaker 1: or standing on it, not in it. So other than that,
Speaker 1: I just I really wish more Christians would think more
Speaker 1: about some of this stuff that they're believing, or at
Speaker 1: least testing some of it. Yeah, Because I mean, I
Speaker 1: tried back and forth to work every day and I've
Speaker 1: been just looking. I've been thinking about just doing this
Speaker 1: and putting a piece of tape right in the middle
Speaker 1: of my windshield where the horizon is. Because I watched
Speaker 1: the horizon. I can go uphill, I go downhill, whatever,
Speaker 1: the horizon in the distance stays almost in the middle
Speaker 1: of that. You know, the car might dip down, of course,
Speaker 1: so the horizon is going to go up, or it
Speaker 1: might dip uproiz. But if that even no matter where
Speaker 1: I'm at in that hill, that horizon in the distance
Speaker 1: is in the middle of my windshield at high level.
Speaker 1: And they keep saying it's not and it is. Oh.
Speaker 1: Another thing they brought they have a sight they like
Speaker 1: to bring up and anything. I don't remember what it is,
Speaker 1: but it's flat earth something. But they had one where
Speaker 1: they were taught they tried to use that high horizon
Speaker 1: rising not rising to eye level. And they had and
Speaker 1: it's actually a pretty good test. They had two tubes
Speaker 1: that were clear, just basically like plumbing stuff with clear
Speaker 1: tubes on each side, and then they had it filled
Speaker 1: with red liquid and they had it mounted to a
Speaker 1: board so you could just take it and set it
Speaker 1: down and as long as you were looking down and
Speaker 1: those lines were lined up, it showed level, you know,
Speaker 1: or showed the It showed level, and then you could
Speaker 1: look out and you could see the horizon was lined
Speaker 1: up with that. But they didn't mount that camera to it.
Speaker 1: So I even pointed it out because in each of
Speaker 1: them you could see that the angle was changed of
Speaker 1: how that thing was down. If that camera would have
Speaker 1: just been mounted to it, you could just set it
Speaker 1: down wherever you're at, you know, like if you're on
Speaker 1: the seashore, you could set it down and you would
Speaker 1: look out and see the horizon at it. And if
Speaker 1: you went up, you know, whatever they went. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what they went, but then you could see that
Speaker 1: they had to change so that I don't know what
Speaker 1: they changed. If they just moved the camera down and
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they changed something because you could
Speaker 1: see that the whole apparatus was changing, and it's they
Speaker 1: were rocking it somehow and then taking the camera and
Speaker 1: reading level. So I call them on that and they said, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you do it myself? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: it has been done. Why didn't they just have the
Speaker 1: camera mounted to it so you could just take it
Speaker 1: and you could set it down and it is what
Speaker 1: it is, but they have to lie about it. And
Speaker 1: they love this website. I just wish I could remember
Speaker 1: what it is, but it's maybe I'll send that link
Speaker 1: to you on the email or something. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: like to use that, and I I personally love when
Speaker 1: they do use that because you can look at their tests.
Speaker 1: They did one for like buoyancy and density too that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's trying to disprove them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they they like that. They they say this
Speaker 1: to proves disproves the flat earth. This. I'll have to
Speaker 1: send you the site. But anyways, yeah, they use it
Speaker 1: a lot. I have quite a few. I do quite
Speaker 1: a bit of chatting on Facebook and on I used
Speaker 1: to on Twitter, but it's hard on X or whatever
Speaker 1: because you you're limited on how much you can say,
Speaker 1: how many words, unless you buy the premium or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm just not into giving them the money.
Speaker 3: You don't want to give a guy who wants to
Speaker 3: put a chip in your brain money.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Me either. That's interesting, was it gonna ask you? Is
Speaker 3: there any other conspiracies air quotes, conspiracies that you considered
Speaker 3: to be as detrimental as you know, the globe.
Speaker 1: Oh, the COVID deal, the whole vaccine deal. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I guess that's I tried telling people, some of
Speaker 1: my loved ones not to get those shots, and I
Speaker 1: was still disappointing that some of them did and then
Speaker 1: they ended up having problems. But I don't know, it's.
Speaker 7: That.
Speaker 1: Let's see what else other conspiracies.
Speaker 3: That's a huge one.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: That was tough and it's still to this day. You know,
Speaker 3: when you see that the church is shut down and
Speaker 3: the stores stayed open and mom and Pop's business was
Speaker 3: not essential, but mister Bezos and Zuckerberg. Well, he's that that,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about, like the Amazon's, the Walmarts,
Speaker 3: you know, they were deemed essential. And how people I
Speaker 3: don't even know how people can be an atheist today
Speaker 3: when when you see the intentional evil that is being
Speaker 3: perpetrated on mankind today and the shift between the elites
Speaker 3: as they call themselves and ourselves. I mean you're talking
Speaker 3: about you know, here in Delaware, they're keeping us in
Speaker 3: such a state of serfdom. They're doubling our property taxes,
Speaker 3: our insurance has gone through the roof this, that, and
Speaker 3: yet like we're afraid to go to the grocery store anymore.
Speaker 3: You come out with a bag of grow, just one
Speaker 3: bag and it's like eighty five dollars. Yeah, it's crazy,
Speaker 3: and we have been kind of what's the word I'm
Speaker 3: looking for, just taught that. You know, our way to
Speaker 3: fight against this is to go online and complain. Right,
Speaker 3: that's how we vent. It doesn't doesn't fix anything, right,
Speaker 3: And that's why I say we need to get back
Speaker 3: to community. And that's why I wanted to scale down
Speaker 3: and focus on community, because if we're really going to
Speaker 3: make a difference, you're not going to make a difference
Speaker 3: in the federal government. You're never going to make a difference.
Speaker 3: It's so important to create a community, like we have
Speaker 3: a small community here. We use cash with each other.
Speaker 1: That's what I heard. I was listening to one of
Speaker 1: your episodes last night or night before last. I guess
Speaker 1: because I work twelve hour shift work. I work nights
Speaker 1: and days, I rotate, so the shift works getting kind
Speaker 1: of hard on me. But you know, it's nice that
Speaker 1: I have hearing aids because my phone will play into
Speaker 1: my ears so I can sit and listen to you
Speaker 1: Be on. I can turn it on and listen to
Speaker 1: it and turn the phone off actually so it's not visible,
Speaker 1: flip it upside down, just listen to the podcast. But
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. But uh yeah, that's that whole
Speaker 1: Uh you know, And we we, my wife and I
Speaker 1: we we weren't really able to affect any change, but
Speaker 1: we tried. I mean, I remember we went out and
Speaker 1: you know, we'd go out and eat during that and
Speaker 1: everybody had to wear a mask going in and it's
Speaker 1: like I wasn't gonna wear one. But it's like I
Speaker 1: just couldn't get people to understand. I mean, how ironic
Speaker 1: it is that you've got to wear a mask to
Speaker 1: get in and then once you sit down at your table,
Speaker 1: you can take it off your mask. And apparently COVID
Speaker 1: is relegated to only being in the aisle or what so,
Speaker 1: so you could go up and get your food off
Speaker 1: the buffet and COVID had to I just couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: And but you watched the people and they would just
Speaker 1: gladly do it. And then so yeah, that's why I'm
Speaker 1: glad we live in a small town that we live in.
Speaker 1: We really don't have to deal with a whole lot
Speaker 1: of that, but I would I wish I had the
Speaker 1: room to I probably got room to do chickens, but
Speaker 1: I really would like to get chickens. I would like
Speaker 1: to get my mother in law of chickens because they
Speaker 1: could use it. I mean, she doesn't have a whole
Speaker 1: lot and give them something to do. But I first
Speaker 1: I got to build something to be able to put
Speaker 1: the chickens in. But yeah, I don't know our neighbors.
Speaker 1: They have goats and they have horses, they have cows,
Speaker 1: and I think they milk the goats, and they have
Speaker 1: sheep and chickens and so yeah, we just really don't
Speaker 1: have that kind of community here. We could probably buy
Speaker 1: eggs from them and stuff, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We buy our beef we a gal that my wife
Speaker 1: used to work with. They sell cattle, so we buy
Speaker 1: our beef from them. We've been getting our beef there
Speaker 1: probably ten years, so we don't buy any of the
Speaker 1: stuff hardly store.
Speaker 3: And it's so much better.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is, It's way better. But yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish I had more of you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much land you got, but I my my
Speaker 1: property is like two lots. I think they're a fifty
Speaker 1: by one hundred and fifty, so it's two lots is
Speaker 1: one hundred by one hundred and fifty, So you know,
Speaker 1: we got a little bit of room. But by the
Speaker 1: time you put a double light on there and a
Speaker 1: twenty four by twenty four garage and the deck and
Speaker 1: some sheds, you don't got a whole lot left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's I think that COVID was the biggest
Speaker 1: and probably just the one that's just not going to
Speaker 1: go away because it they just prepared so many of
Speaker 1: these people for the next whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Do you think and again to be fair. If you
Speaker 3: asked me ins twenty nineteen if they would get her,
Speaker 3: if they could get away with what they did, I
Speaker 3: would have left. But it happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And with that being said, do you think they could
Speaker 3: pull off successfully a type of Project Bluebeam like there?
Speaker 3: It seems that they're trying to plan in.
Speaker 1: I have a video on my phone if somebody that
Speaker 1: recorded something that was going on in the sky. I
Speaker 1: think they could. I don't know how. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it works, but I actually have the video and
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it. I really don't.
Speaker 1: It's just a light. It's like an orb that's in
Speaker 1: the sky and people are standing their video in it. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, with all this technology, with God,
Speaker 1: I just don't see how they couldn't, you know. That's
Speaker 1: what I just think. That's how the whole alien invasion
Speaker 1: will go down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that leads to my next question. How much
Speaker 3: of this stuff do you think is spiritual that we
Speaker 3: just can't comprehend?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's all I bet, you know. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know that we're capable of even understanding
Speaker 1: how evil and wicked all this stuff is.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't. I don't think I am. I mean,
Speaker 7: I I know I'm a fallen center and stuff, and
Speaker 7: my mind's pretty wicked sometimes too. But I just don't
Speaker 7: know how how they how they operate and function. But
Speaker 7: they tell us so much in the movies. My I
Speaker 7: don't watch a whole lot of TV, but my wife
Speaker 7: has been watching Under the Dome. I don't know if
Speaker 7: you've heard about it, but there is so much stuff
Speaker 7: they're telling you right in that movie Under the Dome.
Speaker 7: It's it's not a movie, it's a it's.
Speaker 3: A it's like a TV series, right.
Speaker 1: TV series. I think she said, there's like three seasons
Speaker 1: of it all.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a Steve Stephen King wrote it. Oh
Speaker 3: is that who? Well then yeah, then that it's got
Speaker 3: some kind of he's part of the club for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't know who did it. She just
Speaker 1: did started It seems like she watched it several years ago,
Speaker 1: but I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's based on Stephen King's two thousand and nine novel
Speaker 3: Under the Dome, and just a few years later they
Speaker 3: made it into a TV series.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I'll have to go cheah.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's it's got a lot of got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in it. But they keep talking
Speaker 1: about all sorts of that kind of stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: in your face. I mean, but people, normal people, normies
Speaker 1: just don't see it when they look at it. They
Speaker 1: don't see it. I mean, it's it's been in so
Speaker 1: many I mean, the Simpsons. I mean, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to say that, like the Simpsons or profits or something,
Speaker 1: but but the people who wrote Simpsons are in the club.
Speaker 1: They know things. I mean, they've they've had he had
Speaker 1: an episode that had what that guy that hit the
Speaker 1: baseball and it went to, yeah, I hit the firmament
Speaker 1: and broke it and the water came down. And that's
Speaker 1: the other thing. All these Christians that don't believe in
Speaker 1: the firmament but believe the Bible. What so we're shooting
Speaker 1: rockets up through the firmament and it's going through the
Speaker 1: water and we're getting to the moon. I don't That's
Speaker 1: why I just don't think the moon's on the other
Speaker 1: side of the firmament, because you would be seeing the
Speaker 1: moon in the water. Now, when you look at stars
Speaker 1: and stuff through telescopes, they look like they're shimmering in water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, the sun and moon are not in
Speaker 1: the water above the firmament. Now I don't know any
Speaker 1: of that other stuff, so I just all I can
Speaker 1: do is look at what I see, what the Bible says,
Speaker 1: and try and piece it together. It just doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense to me. But I would think that if the
Speaker 1: sun and moon were in the firmament with the stars,
Speaker 1: I believe that in the firmament can still be in
Speaker 1: the firmament and not be on the other side of
Speaker 1: the firmament. Just don't know how it works, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so there's just so many different just the stuff
Speaker 1: that I mean. They got us to sign something at
Speaker 1: work during that COVID for the what do they call it?
Speaker 1: You were saying that essential my business was an essential,
Speaker 1: so we had to sign a form, you know, And
Speaker 1: they were they had brought a bunch of RVs and
Speaker 1: stuff and put them on site and they were gonna
Speaker 1: have us live in them. And yeah, it was it
Speaker 1: was crazy. I don't know, but yeah, I think they
Speaker 1: could get I could. I think they could do this
Speaker 1: this COVID thing all over again, and people would still
Speaker 1: fall forward. We still have family members who are still
Speaker 1: scared to death, to go outside, even though they've been
Speaker 1: backed and boosted and the even.
Speaker 3: Five years later. Yeah, and that incredible to think it's
Speaker 3: been over five years. Because they declared the pandemic March eleventh,
Speaker 3: that's a coincidence thirty three, twenty twenty, so it's been
Speaker 3: five and a half years. It's it's incredible to think
Speaker 3: that these five and a half years have gone by
Speaker 3: that fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is I never thought. I guess I hadn't
Speaker 1: even thought about it.
Speaker 3: It just hit me now. Yeah, wow, jeez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. But yeah, they're still I mean, they
Speaker 1: came up and they didn't wear the mask or anything,
Speaker 1: but they didn't want to meet anywhere because of COVID.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, it's I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: just hoping that. And then you know, I watched a
Speaker 1: video in that oh clau Schwab, he's an evil man,
Speaker 1: I don't know anyways him, and it seemed like it
Speaker 1: was the guy from Maderna. They were talking and they
Speaker 1: were talking about his plan to reduce the population by
Speaker 1: fifty percent. Yeah, I mean, I actually have the video
Speaker 1: on my phone, but nobody will believe it. They just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's their goal and the whole
Speaker 1: Georgia Guystones, how do people just go and and visit
Speaker 1: that and not read the first line.
Speaker 3: The very first line, trying.
Speaker 1: To get it to five hundred million. Yes, a lot
Speaker 1: of people that got to die.
Speaker 3: You're talking about a reduction of seven point five billion people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and people just go and visit and take
Speaker 1: pictures and they don't they don't even see. No, we
Speaker 1: are blind for sure.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's remarkable. And then you have people
Speaker 3: on one hand saying what a great job RFK is
Speaker 3: trying to put an endo the COVID vaccine. On the
Speaker 3: other hand, he says, we're developing a universal vaccine at
Speaker 3: the NIH, which is a vaccine that addresses the entire
Speaker 3: spectrum of viruses. So it's just the the sleight of hands. Look,
Speaker 3: you guys asked for it, you got it. We're getting
Speaker 3: rid of the COVID. Oh, by the way, we're creating
Speaker 3: this new vaccine. It's just like an I.
Speaker 1: Know, I didn't hear anything about that, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just you know, I hate to say
Speaker 1: that I voted in the last election, but I did
Speaker 1: just because I just feel like if I didn't, then
Speaker 1: Kamala gets in there by default, you know, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that Trump is any better. I just
Speaker 1: know that the only thing I would love somebody to
Speaker 1: tell me what Kamala was running on other than killing
Speaker 1: the babies and allowing children to be mutilated through gender
Speaker 1: affirming care. Can please tell me what else she was
Speaker 1: running on, because I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: People were voting because of her warm and inspiring laugh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh that was. That was rough to listen to.
Speaker 1: Oh it was, But I just and I still have,
Speaker 1: you know, and I still have people that can stick
Speaker 1: up for what we went through with Biden. I mean
Speaker 1: the first, the most important thing when that man got
Speaker 1: into office was to shut down the pipelines, which affected
Speaker 1: us a lot. Yeah, the pipeline going through. Now, somebody
Speaker 1: I love hates Trump with a passion. When all these
Speaker 1: workers supposedly that you know, we're working from home or
Speaker 1: whatever got put out of work, she was infuriated by that.
Speaker 1: But she didn't have anything to say about all these
Speaker 1: pipeline workers that got put out of uh, you know
Speaker 1: work when Biden took over. I mean, that was the
Speaker 1: that was the most important thing, was to make sure,
Speaker 1: the pipeline was shut down. That was what was most important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 3: That was I think the first week in office he did.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, it was pretty close to one of his
Speaker 1: first things he did when he got into office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's pretty obvious. Listen, he's from Delaware, and
Speaker 3: it's an embarrassment to say, you know, when he was
Speaker 3: in office, but then you realize he didn't get eighty
Speaker 3: one million votes. We live an hour away at that time,
Speaker 3: forty five minutes away from where he had his ceremony
Speaker 3: where he won, and people were having to drive in
Speaker 3: cars get out that they faked everything. He probably got
Speaker 3: thirty million votes, to be honest with you, but that
Speaker 3: goes to say everything is scripted, Everything is rigged. They
Speaker 3: have your good guys and your bad guys. And my
Speaker 3: thing is they can't constantly have their boot on your
Speaker 3: throat because then you would revolt, so they do it
Speaker 3: in waves. And actually, somebody made an interesting comment the
Speaker 3: other day. They said, RFK is fighting big Pharma the
Speaker 3: way Donald Trump is fighting pedophilia. It's like they made
Speaker 3: all these promises, but it's just it's just not happening.
Speaker 3: And we've been lied to. When we continue to fall
Speaker 3: for the bait all the time, we really do the
Speaker 3: divide and conquer scheme.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's bad. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've tried telling some of the people it's like I
Speaker 1: loved ones. It's like, you know, they'll they'll say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sticking up for Trump. No I'm not. I They're
Speaker 1: they're both wings on the same bird. They fortunately like
Speaker 1: WWF wrestling. All it is is they've got us fighting
Speaker 1: amongst ourselves instead of understanding that they my government doesn't
Speaker 1: love me, My government doesn't care about me. My governments
Speaker 1: not trying to make sure I'm going to be doing
Speaker 1: all right when I retire, or it's not even taking
Speaker 1: care of me when I'm working. I mean, my insurance
Speaker 1: is I mean, I've got pretty good insurance, but and
Speaker 1: we pay a little bit for it. But you know,
Speaker 1: I look at other people who have no insurance and
Speaker 1: can't even afford it. I thought we were both all
Speaker 1: supposed to. I thought it was affordable healthcare. I thought
Speaker 1: everybody was going to be able to afford it.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 1: No, it's and people still stick up for it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's frustrating.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, this parasitic environment that they've created, it's just
Speaker 3: creating that they want us to work until we're ninety.
Speaker 3: My nephew starts college next week. He goes to a
Speaker 3: state school, a state school. Right, they're charging him twelve
Speaker 3: hundred dollars a year for a parking space at his college.
Speaker 3: That's crazy to live, Yeah, just to park his car
Speaker 3: twelve hundred dollars because he's an off campus student, because
Speaker 3: he's just he lives, you know, twenty minutes away from campus. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: if you want to park there, it's twelve hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: It's like that. And you know the textbooks two three,
Speaker 3: four hundred dollars, it's it's it's awful. But you know,
Speaker 3: and listen, if people really knew where this money went,
Speaker 3: there would truly be a revolt. And of course NASA,
Speaker 3: they're getting their seventy million dollars a day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Another thing I've started looking into
Speaker 1: is this little season deal And I watched this guy
Speaker 1: he's goes by the name JT follows JC on YouTube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's had quite a bit, quite a bit
Speaker 1: of compelling stuff to look at Anyways, it's got me
Speaker 1: reading my Bible to look into some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I don't know where we're at.
Speaker 1: I just know that they've lied to us about so
Speaker 1: much that I really wouldn't put it past that we
Speaker 1: have been lied to about that. But I'm not dogmatic
Speaker 1: on any of it either.
Speaker 3: And That's where I'm at right now, John, is it
Speaker 3: very well could be the case. I'm not a huge
Speaker 3: scatology guy. I don't put I don't spend too much
Speaker 3: time in it. I'm aware of it. I've read, you know,
Speaker 3: the prophetic books of the Bible, but it's I don't
Speaker 3: spend that much time in it, and I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe I'll take a weekend and look into
Speaker 3: Revelations twenty and kind of break it down into But
Speaker 3: it all goes back to again, like if they lie
Speaker 3: about this what we're having a conversation about today, then
Speaker 3: I think everything's fair game.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do. It just makes sense that you know,
Speaker 1: we got to look at I don't. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: put stock in it, but I'm going to look into everything.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I do. If somebody had said, you
Speaker 1: know that verse in Proverbs, and I can't remember exactly
Speaker 1: what it was, but it says it's a fool speaks
Speaker 1: before you hear it the matter, it is a shame
Speaker 1: and folly to him, or something like that. I can't
Speaker 1: I know, I've got the verse book marked in East
Speaker 1: Sword here too. Let me go and read that, because
Speaker 1: that is But it basically was saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's foolishness to go and speak on a on
Speaker 1: a matter before you have actually looked into it. Precisely,
Speaker 1: So Jennie was Proverbs Proverbs eighteen thirteen. He that answerth
Speaker 1: the matter before he hears it, it is folly and
Speaker 1: shame unto him. So I kind of think that's, you know,
Speaker 1: like the whole flat earth deal. I didn't want to go,
Speaker 1: you know, bad mouthing it or anything until I actually
Speaker 1: looked into it. The Bible he gives that instruction for
Speaker 1: a reason, so I think everything needs to be looked into.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to put all my I do
Speaker 1: need to get back to doing tracks. I do need
Speaker 1: to need to get back to I'm not real good
Speaker 1: at witnessing to people just talking because I get let
Speaker 1: off on too many other rabbit trails. But I used
Speaker 1: to write tracks and print tracks and leave tracks everywhere.
Speaker 1: But I got away from it, and I got to
Speaker 1: get back to doing that, and I want to get
Speaker 1: back to doing that with Dave Oice's app or trying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think people people need to know that
Speaker 3: they can. I made a bunch of Oklahoma City tracks
Speaker 3: just on that dites. Yeah. Yeah, for the nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 3: you know, the April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, just a
Speaker 3: trifle on whatever you know, And that's all. It is.
Speaker 3: Full of information and about a tract, whether it's Bible
Speaker 3: track or an informational tract, it's it's what we talk
Speaker 3: about all the time. It should be just seeds. It
Speaker 3: should be enough information to convince the reader that there's
Speaker 3: something to this, but not so much to where that
Speaker 3: you are. You want to draw enough curiosity to make
Speaker 3: them research for themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well mine were a little bit more. I was
Speaker 1: because when I first got saved, my pastor a long
Speaker 1: time ago, gave me a book by Rat Comfort on
Speaker 1: Hell's Best cap Secret, and that's where I started. Uh.
Speaker 1: Back then, you could get some of his It's very
Speaker 1: Comfort on Living Waters, but you could go and print
Speaker 1: some of his tracks free for charge, I mean print him,
Speaker 1: and so I was doing that. He had several tracks
Speaker 1: that I would go out there and print, and then
Speaker 1: I was that Hell's best kept secret, I think is
Speaker 1: still able to be uh copied and put on CDs.
Speaker 1: I was actually given that away, but anymore, nobody really
Speaker 1: has a CD player, so I don't know how much
Speaker 1: one of those audio CDs does any good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and it's actually available in many many languages.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll put the link in the show notes.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool. Yeah, he's got a lot of He has
Speaker 1: the Way of the Master series that he was doing
Speaker 1: with Oh that guy that did the Left Behind His
Speaker 1: names the actor I can't remember his name. Why anyways,
Speaker 1: he did the Left Behind series, That actor Kirk Cameron.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Him and Ray Comfort did a series called The Way
Speaker 1: of the Master where they actually just go out and
Speaker 1: talk to people out on the street and then they
Speaker 1: record it and well you can. At first I was
Speaker 1: making copies of that, and then I found out that
Speaker 1: was illegal, so I stopped. But they did have a
Speaker 1: copyright on that, but I just wasn't aware that they
Speaker 1: because it used to be a long time ago all
Speaker 1: of his stuff was free. But anyways, they go out
Speaker 1: and talk to people and they've had a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting conversations. But anyway, I need to get back to
Speaker 1: doing the tracks. But I just I just get too
Speaker 1: sidetracked talking about other stuff when I'm trying to talk
Speaker 1: to people and end up just answering their questions and
Speaker 1: not really. I did try and give one of my
Speaker 1: tracks to our pastor and had him look at but
Speaker 1: he didn't like it because it had a sinner's prayer
Speaker 1: in it and it was just one that that was
Speaker 1: just one. The one I wrote I didn't have a
Speaker 1: sinner's prayer in but I gave him another one. It
Speaker 1: was like a website that I think Ray Coomfort had.
Speaker 1: It was a website. I just took the website and
Speaker 1: copied all the text and turned it into a tract
Speaker 1: and it had a center's prayer on it. Well, he
Speaker 1: didn't like the sinner's prayer. So but anyways, yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to just act to write my own and.
Speaker 3: I understand that because it's important that people understand repentance
Speaker 3: and that's something as I've gotten older and a little wiser.
Speaker 3: I understand that you just can't get excited to tell
Speaker 3: somebody to repeat these words and they're saved. Right, It's
Speaker 3: got to come from the heart, not from the lips.
Speaker 3: So well, if you say that prayer in a way
Speaker 3: that it comes from the heart, that's perfectly fine. But
Speaker 3: just I can see how people are misled. Like even
Speaker 3: during the Billy Graham revivals of the sixty seventies and eighties,
Speaker 3: he was doing alder car calls, and you know, maybe
Speaker 3: people still didn't truly understand repentance. So it's important that
Speaker 3: people know that it comes from the heart. And just
Speaker 3: like Johnny when he gets caught taking the cookies from
Speaker 3: the cookie jar, is he sorry that he got caught stealing?
Speaker 3: Or is he sorry that he did it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for sure. But then I've really come to
Speaker 1: the understanding. It's really kind of hard to understand what
Speaker 1: truly repentance is though, because Enoch said it couldn't find
Speaker 1: a place of repentance though he sought it with tears.
Speaker 1: So I just, you know, I struggle with what really
Speaker 1: understanding repentance really truly means. I don't know it's I
Speaker 1: don't know it is, but yeah, that is most important.
Speaker 1: So I just have to keep going back to working
Speaker 1: my salvation out with fear and trembling, because I just
Speaker 1: know I fail a lot.
Speaker 3: We all do, and God knows we're going to fall again.
Speaker 3: And that's why two thousand years ago, you know, his
Speaker 3: son came down here and through the blood of Christ
Speaker 3: we are saved. And that's something that people it's important.
Speaker 3: You know when you look at the Nelson, the Nelson
Speaker 3: was at Derby and the Schofield that are trying to
Speaker 3: drop up this dispensationalism, or there's these people and that people.
Speaker 3: You know, Galatians three twenty eight. It's very very clear.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you're Jew or gentile, doesn't matter
Speaker 3: if you're man or woman, if you're if you're free
Speaker 3: or slave. The only way to Christ, I'm sorry, the
Speaker 3: only way to salvation is through Christ period period.
Speaker 1: End of story. Yep, missed by faith through hearing and
Speaker 1: hearing of the word. But yeah, it's it's I just
Speaker 1: want to do that part and start doing with tracks
Speaker 1: and try and get people to like you said, just
Speaker 1: maybe I need to rethink how I was doing it,
Speaker 1: because I just was writing them with the way raycomfort
Speaker 1: was doing it with putting the law in there, which
Speaker 1: I just still think the law needs to be in there.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I was looking at tracks that
Speaker 1: our pastor has and and it just says that I
Speaker 1: need Jesus, but it doesn't say why. I mean, why
Speaker 1: do I need Jesus? It should stay in there. It should.
Speaker 3: And the repercussions if you don't.
Speaker 1: If you don't, I mean, they need to know, so
Speaker 1: at least they're thinking about it. So yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I guess I hadn't really paid attention to the Sinner's
Speaker 1: Prayer being on it since I had just copied the website.
Speaker 1: I just copied the text and put it on it.
Speaker 1: I guess I really didn't even think about it. But
Speaker 1: you know, I know that's something that I've always disagreed
Speaker 1: with a lot. You know, it seems like when we
Speaker 1: do a BIB vacation Bible school, we're just trying to
Speaker 1: get the kids to pray a prayer. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: just don't think, you know, just like you said, that's
Speaker 1: not really repentance. They haven't been broken.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's been a great conversation. We've really
Speaker 3: talked about a lot of great stuff. And I've got
Speaker 3: a lot of Please go to the show description and
Speaker 3: check out all the notes I have in there. Eastward,
Speaker 3: I put the list of tallest buildings. You'll see that
Speaker 3: the highest building in the world is less than a
Speaker 3: third of what the Tower of Babbel was. So and again,
Speaker 3: this is five thousand years ago or so. And you know,
Speaker 3: with all the technology we have, we can't even come
Speaker 3: close to what they built back then. And what it means,
Speaker 3: Hell's best keeper, Hell's best kept secret. JT follows JAYC.
Speaker 3: So many great tools for your toolbox. And as always, John,
Speaker 3: before we say goodbye, the floor is yours.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, it's been great talking to you, George.
Speaker 1: Sorry it's kind of coming to an end, but it's
Speaker 1: best for you. I guess it gets crazy. But the
Speaker 1: most important thing is just people need to seek Jesus
Speaker 1: while he be found, and that people will come to
Speaker 1: know Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior, and that
Speaker 1: when they leave this world, no matter what it is,
Speaker 1: when they leave this world, that they'll be with him
Speaker 1: for all of eternity. And I just hope people will
Speaker 1: seek Him while he will be found.
Speaker 3: Amen, well said, And again we should have a sense
Speaker 3: of urgency about the gospel, because, as I said at
Speaker 3: the very top of the program, nobody's guaranteed tomorrow. And
Speaker 3: you know what else, if you haven't talked to a
Speaker 3: family member or a friend whatever for a long time,
Speaker 3: but just pick up the phone and give them a call.
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes our pride can get in the way.
Speaker 3: And you know, if we call them, we admit we
Speaker 3: were wrong. All of that doesn't matter. You know, nobody's
Speaker 3: guaranteed tomorrow. Just pick up the phone and say hey,
Speaker 3: it's me, and you you know, it can take two
Speaker 3: words and you laugh about it, and that this our
Speaker 3: life is too short to be stubborn and to have grudges.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it is. It's but a vapor and we
Speaker 1: just don't realize it. I can't believe I'm sixty three already.
Speaker 3: I'm fifty six and I was in high school listening
Speaker 3: to Quiet Riot and Twisted Sister like ten minutes ago,
Speaker 3: and here we are. I've got eight grandkids now, so.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, great baby.
Speaker 3: Oh congratulations, Amen, that's awesome. Well John, thank you, God
Speaker 3: bless you and for all you do. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: And John's email will be in the show notes and
Speaker 3: to all of our listeners stay tuned. We have one
Speaker 3: more interview. Chris will be joining us next and then
Speaker 3: I have a farewell message for you all after that.
Speaker 3: Until then, God bless you all. Keep your head on
Speaker 3: a swivel, and thanks again for your continued support. And
Speaker 3: until we meet again, my friends, we will see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: I know you feel tired, held down by all the way. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I know you feeling more. You smile, ain't the same
Speaker 8: I saw you way go from You feel like.
Speaker 6: You've lost your way.
Speaker 3: Don't give it, No, don't give it.
Speaker 5: But never home. Don't let call the primise. It ain't
Speaker 5: done yet.
Speaker 3: He's got a plaid. Why it's away?
Speaker 5: Time got up? Mabby? Come? Why wait?
Speaker 4: God, I can see the street beside you.
Speaker 8: Childs are putting up five. Oh, you're stronger than a thing.
Speaker 6: You are.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead valid, beautiful.
Speaker 3: You're shoving ride.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're living, breathing, moving, You can hold your head
Speaker 8: a pie.
Speaker 6: Don't give up.
Speaker 5: No, don't give in. Never loss home. Don't they gone
Speaker 5: on the primis? It ain't done Yet's God, I'm letting
Speaker 5: wats away down, the God of Merica. Don't give up, no,
Speaker 5: don't give in you never live home, don't let go
Speaker 5: on the primise.
Speaker 3: It ain't gone like it's worth live men.
Speaker 5: Wat's a way down the god of baby Colt. Why
Speaker 5: sur pray down the god steamy cold? Oh yeah, what
Speaker 5: a pray down the god baby Colt. Oh yeah, got
Speaker 5: the steam called.
Speaker 8: Don't give up, No, don't give in, never loose home?
Speaker 8: Do they go off the primis?
Speaker 6: I mean? And then yas got up saying, watch a
Speaker 6: kind of dogs.
Speaker 8: Don't give up, no dog give a never this hole,
Speaker 8: don't let go of the crowns.
Speaker 6: Getting done lover his for living watsed, God of any
Speaker 6: coors all, the god of needs cos white dog, god
Speaker 6: of a coach.
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