WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is a Al Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:29.239 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:29.879 the poll? 4 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:33.079 The question why. 5 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:40.479 The stories told and left behind in shadows? 6 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:43.119 Where the truth we find? 7 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:51.159 They built their tails on grafts and lines on theories. 8 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.000 They stake their designed. 9 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:02.759 Put down here on this solid graph. The answer scream, 10 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:08.519 They're all around, Rise and break. 11 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.840 Through all the lies. 12 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:16.599 So FA Files on full change. 13 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.599 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's 14 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:24.079 time for another edition of The Flat Earth Files. I'm 15 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:26.519 your host, George Hobbs as we record on this Tuesday, 16 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.480 August twelfth, twenty twenty five. I hope this finds everybody 17 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.599 well as we kick off our second to last interview 18 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:36.439 on the podcast. Before we jump in today with John, 19 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:41.079 just a quick message to Barbara and Forrest. They were 20 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.439 scheduled to be interviewed yesterday, which would have been August eleventh, 21 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:48.719 and unfortunately, as I was telling John prior to this, 22 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:51.159 that we had a funeral to attend young man who 23 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:54.439 passed away twenty seven years old, and I just couldn't 24 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.280 reschedule it. So again to Barbara and Forrest, I'm extremely sorry, 25 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.359 from the bottom of my heart. That I couldn't share 26 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:06.040 your story but unfortunate circumstances. But through these things that 27 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.080 the pastor did take the time to share the Gospel 28 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:11.960 of Jesus with the the folks there at the funeral. 29 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.960 So when we talk about when good things come out 30 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:18.479 of tragedies like that, that was certainly something. If one 31 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.800 soul was saved, then God bless So there you go. 32 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:23.919 We're going to kick off today's again the second or 33 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:25.680 last interview we're going to do here on the Flat 34 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:30.080 Earth Files. John from northeast Wyoming is joining us today 35 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.840 and again, John, hopefully we've kicked away the tech monsters 36 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.319 and we'll get through this. My apologies, So how are 37 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:45.840 you doing, sir good? Hugh doing still good? Again? I apologize, 38 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:47.719 Go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. 39 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:52.520 Hello, I'm John. I'm like he said, I'm from Wyoming. 40 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.199 I guess I came across his whole flatter thing just 41 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.759 from watching some YouTube videos of the like a lot 42 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.240 of people, I guess, I don't know. I try not 43 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.960 to put too much stock into everything everybody says, but anyways, 44 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.680 I guess I really wasn't fully invested in the whole 45 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.400 glow birth belief anyway, like evolution. I don't believe in 46 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.080 evolution either, so I guess really it didn't really bother 47 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.199 me when I heard it. I just didn't really pay 48 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.719 much attention to it. But there was a YouTube channel 49 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:27.199 called Truth is Stranger in Fiction, and he was the 50 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.439 one where I first came across some of this stuff. 51 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.080 And then I came across like Rob Skiba and a 52 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:34.960 few other people, and I don't know, I just got 53 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.759 to thinking about some stuff. And I did listen to 54 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.680 quite a bit of stuff for quite a while before 55 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.120 I ever brought it up to my wife. And then 56 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:48.560 I did finally get the couraged muster that, and I 57 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:52.479 brought that up to her and it didn't go horrible, 58 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.439 but it could have went at her. I guess she 59 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:57.360 did kind of look at me like a calf with 60 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:01.840 two heads. But anyways, we got through that. So that's 61 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:03.560 where that is good stuff. 62 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:04.680 How long have you been married? John? 63 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:09.520 Will be thirty years this December second. 64 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.879 God bless you. That's that's fantastic. So at thirty years 65 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.400 you're able to kind of throw those things out there, right, 66 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:19.879 you guys know each other good? Yeah? 67 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.079 But she did, she did. She It was kind of 68 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:24.839 tough for her. 69 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:29.000 I think, well, for sure, and I think John, that 70 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.120 this goes to not to distract from your intro, but 71 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.879 how you can have a conversation with somebody about the 72 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:39.240 moon landing or JFKA, these are very significant things, but 73 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.279 to question the shape of the earth, and it's very 74 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:44.959 it's received in an entire different way. 75 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:49.560 Yeah, it is. She was wanting to tell her sister 76 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:54.079 about the podcast interview today, but I'm not. I want to, 77 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.079 you know, get through this. And then it just seems 78 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.480 like her sister and her husband are about the only 79 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.839 real friends we have that we do anything with. And 80 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:09.319 I just I know he is so much into school 81 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.639 and college and I just don't know how that's going 82 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.279 to go. But sooner or later we are going to 83 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.879 have to let them know. Sure, So I don't know, 84 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.600 but AnyWho, So we'll cross that bridge someday. 85 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:27.279 Absolutely. And were you able to see early on or 86 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:29.639 at any point, the significance of the lie and how 87 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.720 it's used against us, how it's used against followers of 88 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.240 God to almost diminish his work and his creation. 89 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:40.360 Not really at first. I do now I see how 90 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:44.399 it could, but at first I was just too looking 91 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.800 at all the other stuff. But yeah, now I can 92 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.360 see how you know, they can get you through the 93 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:52.600 fear and the media and everything that we're running out 94 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:56.600 of resources. We've got meteors and asteroids that are going 95 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.480 to come and take us out, or aliens are going 96 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.000 to come. And it is I mean, I mean just 97 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:07.879 scrolling through MSN you can have, or my Google page 98 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:11.399 or whatever, just the new planets that are found, and 99 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:15.079 I yeah, it does take away from God. And I 100 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:20.439 just don't understand Christians who say they believe their Bible, 101 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:26.360 who believe this. That's the thing that's the hardest to understand. 102 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:29.319 I guess, Yeah, you made a great point. I think 103 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.959 just today I saw on social media they found a 104 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.399 newer was it like four light years or whatever they 105 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:39.879 call it away And at this just another image of 106 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.040 a ball that was green and blue and it could 107 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.560 you know, have life on it and all these other things. 108 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.720 It's crazy. I don't know, so and I can see 109 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:55.680 how it all just there's no need for God when 110 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.079 when people look at this, they don't need God because 111 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.480 you know, everything got here just fine, it just exploded 112 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:06.959 and here we are. It's just it's insane. 113 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:09.160 I don't know what do you say to the pastors 114 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:14.160 who preached to their congregants that the evolution happened, the 115 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:18.160 Big Bang happened, but it was all in God's doing. 116 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:19.800 Is that not. 117 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.720 Manipulating the word of God, because that's not what it says. 118 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.600 Yeah, well, I fear for them, but because they're lying 119 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.680 to people, and I don't know, you know, so many 120 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:31.879 people will say, well, what does it matter? But I act, 121 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.680 you know, I'm just thinking a lot of times I've thought, 122 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:38.920 you know, if Jesus, if somebody would have asked him, 123 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.439 he wouldn't have lied to him and just said what 124 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.720 they wanted to hear. I mean, he would have said 125 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:51.360 the truth. So even though they might not have believed 126 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.839 it or whatever he told many times he told the 127 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:58.279 truth and it angered them. So I just feel like 128 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:04.240 these pastors are doing a great disservice in believing stuff 129 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:08.920 that that the Bible clearly says didn't happen. I don't know, 130 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.439 and I think. 131 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:15.120 I was just going to say the glossing of your email. 132 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.079 That's something that you're pretty animate about, is that you 133 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:22.199 can't understand, you know, people who claim to believe the Bible, 134 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:27.519 yet they still argue what it clearly says in plain language. 135 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.919 And second is the frustration that you see with the 136 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.919 indoctrination that our children are subjected to. And even in 137 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:41.840 a paper I was I think his name is John Fee, 138 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:48.519 Pentecostal guy who wrote a paper about people not understanding 139 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.480 not how to read the Bible or you know, I'm 140 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:54.200 not going to read this because it doesn't mean anything, 141 00:08:54.240 --> 00:09:01.399 not understanding the whole Bible. It's just when you have 142 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:03.559 a child that goes to Sunday school in church for 143 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.240 two hours a day. And this is what he specifically mentioned. 144 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.720 And then it's interesting when you say things and then 145 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.080 you see someone else write it. He says something that 146 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.360 I've been saying for a long time, is they're in 147 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:14.679 church for an hour or two and then they go 148 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.240 out into the secular world for the other six days, 149 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.240 between school and television and social media and YouTube. It's 150 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:22.440 a losing battle. 151 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:26.320 Yeah, that's for sure. And they're teaching him so much 152 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.279 more than just all this other stuff. I mean, they 153 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.519 say trust the science, but now we don't even know 154 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:34.519 what a male or a female is anymore. So it's 155 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:39.679 just like crazy, I don't get it. I don't know. 156 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:44.519 Yeah, and that's sad. 157 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:45.679 I don't. 158 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.159 But it's also evil. It's inherently evil when you think 159 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:51.279 about it, because God made man and he made woman 160 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:54.720 the end, nothing more and every person out there. God 161 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.759 did not make a mistake when he made Johnny or Judy, right, 162 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:04.559 And this is a psychological operation, yep, it truly is 163 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:09.120 just an evil psychological operation that now we could argue 164 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.559 John that things that are put in our water and 165 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.720 our food that may play part of the confusion or 166 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:20.000 ultra hormones even, but make no mistake, God made you 167 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.399 the way you were. Yeah. 168 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.519 No, I know they're manipulating a lot of that stuff too, 169 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.279 but that's still is a whole nother conversation that people 170 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:36.480 will willfully dismiss. I mean, I just I don't know. 171 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.039 It's crazy, it's sad, it's difficult. 172 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.000 So let's talk about your journey because we're all on 173 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:44.639 this side of the front. Now, where was there a 174 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:48.320 time with John when you were like everybody else, you know, 175 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:50.679 they call him a normy for lack of a better words. 176 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:52.480 And now that you're on this side of the fence, 177 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.679 I guess the first question I should ask you was 178 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:59.080 number one. I guess we could talk about did you 179 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.200 grow up in the church, your walk in faith, and 180 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.440 then when did you start to see the world was 181 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:08.919 not truly how it is presented to us. 182 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:12.759 Well, I did go to church a little bit when 183 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:16.919 I was little. My mom took us, but I didn't 184 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:21.879 grow up in church, and I can't remember. I think 185 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.879 it was called the Brian Fundamental Church that I went 186 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:29.360 to here in Wyoming somewhere. But anyways, you know, I 187 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:32.240 think I went to vacation Bible school and stuff like that, 188 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:38.320 but I have very few memories of church. But even 189 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.720 when I went to church later, it was not like, 190 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.679 you know, the dots had ever been connected. Nobody ever 191 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:48.440 told me about Jesus really and you know, any or 192 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.840 sin or any of that. So that was I really 193 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:57.440 didn't become a Christian until after my wife and I 194 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.480 got married. She wanted to go to church, and I 195 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.480 just I just wanted to be the good husband, you know, 196 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:05.240 and not argue. So I went to church. But I 197 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.559 was one of those few huggers that kept holding on 198 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:12.360 to So I don't really remember when I was that 199 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:17.720 I prayed for salvation, but somewhere in the early nineties. 200 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.440 But so we've been going to this church that she 201 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.840 from the small town she grew up and that's where 202 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.799 we got married. So that's where we are there. We've 203 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.799 been going to church now for see. I think we 204 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:37.080 started going in maybe ninety eight, ninety nine somewhere in there, 205 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:40.399 so we've been going a while now. But anyways, I 206 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:42.679 still struggled there. You know, there's just a lot of 207 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.120 things I think they teach that. You know, we just 208 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:49.759 had a vacation Bible school and the guy that did 209 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.600 they did they called it Jurassic Park. It was supposedly 210 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:54.919 about the dinosaurs and stuff. But anyways, they got to 211 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.399 talking about the firmament and he just said that that 212 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.960 was the sky. But it's like, so we you know, 213 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:08.759 I'd like to ask the guy, but I struggle there 214 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:12.679 because I have tried talking to the pastor before and 215 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:15.799 then he's made it sound like people who try and 216 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.000 question anything or just arguing Bible with him. Well I'm 217 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.960 not arguing. I just want to discuss this stuff. But 218 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.799 I would like to ask the guy what he thinks 219 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:30.240 of you know what Jove thirty seven eighteen says that 220 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.559 he spread out the sky hard as a molten strong 221 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.600 as a molten looking glass. No, now, how does that 222 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:41.240 translate into sky. I just don't get it. So I 223 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.519 struggle there. I would like to talk to them about stuff, 224 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:49.799 but I have already, uh had a round or two 225 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:54.720 about some other Bible stuff that I don't know, you know, 226 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.759 And I'm not a Calvinist, so but he just usually 227 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.600 brings up Calvinists. But I believe God it sovereign and 228 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.240 He's going to save whoever he wants, and that's not 229 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.039 up to me. And so when predestination is in the 230 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:10.840 Bible and it means predetermined, if you want to argue 231 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:18.159 about predestination, then you're arguing against the Bible. I guess 232 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:21.960 that's all it comes down to. I don't know anything 233 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.440 about anything. I just know what the Bible says, and 234 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:26.559 I'm goun to stand on that. 235 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:30.519 Yeah, And that's interesting because you know, we're quick to say, 236 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:34.519 you know, point out Luther and Wesley or Luther, pardon me, Wesley, 237 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.480 Calvin and all those guys. But really, at the end 238 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.440 of the day, it's just there's sixty six chemical arranged 239 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.559 books that is God's inspired word. I do believe the 240 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.120 other books could be looked at as supplemental reading. And 241 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.159 it's interesting though, you know, I went to seminary because 242 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.320 I wanted to be able to answer the hard questions, 243 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:00.559 and just in the short period of time that I've 244 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:04.159 been in there, you don't get the hard questions answered. 245 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:08.039 It's really more about just you know, the whole scope 246 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.200 of it as hermeneutics and just trying to understand the Bible. 247 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.279 And they give you the tasks of you know, here's 248 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:17.279 two verses from Philippians. You know, write a fifteen hundred 249 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:22.720 word exegetical paper on these two verses. And that's really 250 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:25.559 how you learn the Bible. It should be read in order, 251 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:27.960 but it should be read in such small amounts through 252 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:33.360 a journal using a strong concordance, understanding who's the audience, right, 253 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.960 who is this being? The for instance, like is it 254 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:40.960 a Pauline letter? Is it the Galatians? Is it the Philippians? 255 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.600 Or is it to all of us? Is it to Adam? 256 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:44.240 Is it? 257 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.159 You know? And all of these things have to be 258 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:49.480 taken into consideration when you're reading the Bible. You're not 259 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:53.320 reading it like any other novel. But every single word, 260 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:55.519 no matter if it's the Old Testament or the New Testament, 261 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:58.320 they all have meaning. And most of the Bible interconnects 262 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:03.039 the Old Testament. Those guys who wrote it, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, John, 263 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.039 the Elder Paul, they all cite Old Testament. So it 264 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.919 is important that we read the entire Bible. But we 265 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.320 have to do it in such a fashion where you've 266 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.279 got your journal out, you've got strong scuncordance out. Any 267 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:18.320 word that is questionable to you, you have to go 268 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.120 in and find the meaning to fully understand it. 269 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:24.919 Yeah. Well, I have an app on my phone that 270 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.919 i've well, I found it a long time ago. It's 271 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:31.279 called esword. I don't remember the name of the man who. 272 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.600 It seems like his first name was Rick, But anyways, 273 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.919 I think I think it's an awesome app. But anyways, 274 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.480 I have the King James with the strongest numbers, so 275 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:43.240 I can usually look up the words and so, I mean, 276 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:45.240 I've used that a lot when I talk to people 277 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:49.440 on Facebook, because I do try and do a lot 278 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.759 of that. I talked to people on Facebook and on Twitter, 279 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.039 and I don't know, people probably think I troll mctoon 280 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.679 and I probably do. I like he's one of my 281 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.359 favorites because that that man will not talk have a 282 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:08.960 decent conversation with anybody, but he acts like he, you know, 283 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.200 knows everything, and then nobody wants to debate him. Well, 284 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.440 nobody wants to debate you because you're a child. The 285 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:20.799 guy will treat you like it's it's it's It's amazing 286 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:27.480 how they'll treat people over over a belief of something 287 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:29.720 they've never even been able to prove themselves. 288 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.480 Yeah, that's good. That's a good segue if we could, 289 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:35.119 since we're here already. By the way, did you say 290 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.599 it's called the East Sword East Sword? Yeah, okay, I 291 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:40.880 found it. I put the Lincoln the notes of people 292 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:42.759 in it. That looks really awesome. By the way, it's 293 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:49.119 got the everything there. It's an entire Yeah, very good. 294 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:53.319 So let's let's talk about mctoon McDuffie. The the the 295 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.759 fake experiment as you call it, certainly wasn't the final experiment. 296 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:58.119 It wasn't. 297 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:00.599 But you know, I wish I lived close because I 298 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:08.319 always wondered, Well, Duffy obviously, I'm just going to say 299 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:11.440 factually he does have a pretty big lawsuit against him 300 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:18.359 for fraud. But Nicktoon, let's just believe Will Duffy out 301 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.400 of it for now. For Micktoon, what is the basis 302 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:24.440 that you disagree with him on mostly other than the obvious. 303 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.400 Oh no, I have watched him trying debate, and it's 304 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.799 hard to watch him debate because I mean even you know, 305 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:35.000 and I've lost all I don't even pay any attention 306 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.119 to ws IT and darren Ism anymore. But I mean, 307 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:42.640 the thing is, I mean I watched him debate with it, 308 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:46.599 and he just kept yelling this one sane thing over 309 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.720 and over again, and he would talk over him because 310 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:54.400 he just thought that was the point. But that whole 311 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:58.079 fake experiment, I mean, it kind of was a blessing 312 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:00.000 though when it came about, because we were able to 313 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.079 talk to our son about it, because you know, it 314 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:08.680 was kind of funny. I don't know what my wife 315 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:11.160 was talking to our son about, but anyways, he said 316 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:13.079 something about, well, at least you don't believe that Earth 317 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.839 is flat, and then she's kind of like, well, yeah, 318 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:21.240 actually we do. So when this fake experiment thing came out, 319 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.039 he called up and talked about how you know, this 320 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:29.240 proved that the Earth was flat or a globe because 321 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.920 of the sun, and so we had a I don't know, 322 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.440 it was an over hour conversation with him, and so 323 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.759 it actually went good. So but you know, he still 324 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.599 believes the Earth is a globe. But we'll keep working 325 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:47.839 at it. But as far as mctoone, I just I 326 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.279 tried to pin him down on something too, and this 327 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:53.440 is actually on my notes about one of the things 328 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:56.240 I wanted to bring up was about the Polaris location 329 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.279 relative to Earth, because they liked to try and use that. 330 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:04.799 So I just used the globe math for what the 331 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.359 dis circum or the diameter of the Earth was, the 332 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:12.000 diameter of the Sun and the distance from Earth to Sun, 333 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:18.319 and so like, if i was standing on at the 334 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:21.720 equator on the one side of the Earth, and then 335 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.480 six months later I'm standing on the equator on the 336 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:28.000 other side of the Earth at night both times or whatever, 337 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:32.480 that's one hundred and eighty six million, eight hundred and 338 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.400 eighty one thousand, two hundred and twenty two zero point 339 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:41.119 four miles of movement I would move in six months 340 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.440 standing using their math. So I tried to ask him 341 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:49.519 what the inclination angle was back to Polaris, if it's 342 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:55.039 directly over the Earth, or it can't be directly over 343 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:58.319 the Earth. It has to because if it's directly over 344 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:01.200 the Earth, on the other half at six months later. 345 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.559 It's not directly over the Earth. It has to be 346 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:07.000 directly over the sun. So I asked him what the 347 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.960 inclination angle was because he's so into math, and he 348 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.960 wouldn't give me an answer. And he can't give me 349 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:19.480 an answer, So I kept at him that day and 350 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:22.240 he never But it was funny because none of his 351 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:25.839 glober buddies would ever jump in and try and answer 352 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:29.119 the question for him, because they're all about math. So 353 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:34.559 give me that math. So I even drew a diagram 354 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:38.880 of that. And the only thing he could say, because actually, 355 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.599 if you're according to the tilt of the Earth, and 356 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.960 if you're standing at the equator at the winter time 357 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:51.759 on the other side, you are standing below the you 358 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.519 would not actually even be able to see Polaris the 359 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:58.000 angle back to over the sun. So I drew that 360 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:00.839 diagram and he said, it's not to scale, That's all 361 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:06.839 he would say. So he just wants to scale. Yeah, well, 362 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.759 how am I going to draw that to scale? I mean, 363 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.640 first of all, I asked him, how far you know 364 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.960 Polaris was above us? He won't even give me an 365 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:17.440 answer to that. How could I draw it to scale? 366 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.720 Tell me how far away it is? You don't even know. 367 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.880 And every time they use those angles, what is at 368 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.200 the latitude and longitude the lines on a ball. It's 369 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:33.680 funny because that that bottom of that triangle goes to 370 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.880 the middle of the Earth and then it goes out 371 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:38.519 from there. That's not how it works perfectly on a 372 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:41.920 flat plane, but on a ball, that's how they do it. 373 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.720 They take and draw it clear down to the center. 374 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.440 It's like that, and it makes sense to them. That's 375 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:53.279 the weird part. I guess I don't know the interesting time. 376 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:55.000 I'm sorry, go ahead continue. 377 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:58.519 Oh I'm so that's That's basically all I had to 378 00:22:58.519 --> 00:22:59.039 say about it. 379 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:03.279 Yeah, it's just so anyhow, it's interesting to me, Like 380 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:08.559 I personally have never met anyone who really, you know, 381 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.240 came upon this evidence said yes, of course the earth 382 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.160 is flat, that makes sense and then never gone back. However, 383 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:19.680 you have people like you mentioned with's it and Jarinism 384 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:22.640 I think his name is that completely flip flop? 385 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:23.279 Is that? 386 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:25.920 Do you think that was all part of a plann 387 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:29.440 or is it simple drifting? Or why would someone do that? 388 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:33.000 Knowing that we know people just never say oh yeah, 389 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:34.400 we're I was wrong. 390 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:37.640 Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. It's almost like 391 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:40.839 there was money involved in the deal, because I just 392 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:44.759 don't know how you can dude. At first, you know, 393 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:46.880 I like Dave Weiss and everything. I wish he was 394 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:51.359 a Christian. Yeah, but I mean I at first I 395 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.480 had dropped my subscription because I thought he was in 396 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:57.640 on it. But I see he's still standing strong for that, 397 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.960 so I re enabled my subscriptions. But uh, yeah, that 398 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.599 that whole thing. And I looked up there's a place 399 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:10.079 it's called the Sphere in Las Vegas. That's right, that 400 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.680 it's almost like a movie theater. And so I just 401 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:18.319