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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Day three of the

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Galain Maxwell trial just wrapped up a little bit ago,

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and we saw three people take the stand. One was

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a continuance from yesterday and that was one of the

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four accusers Jane. Number two was her ex boyfriend, someone

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being called Matt. And the third person was an executive

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from Interlochan School who talks about some of Jeffrey Epstein's

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donations and stuff like that. Now, for those of us

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who have been following this case, this doesn't come as

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a surprise to us. We all knew about this cabin,

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and in fact, Epstein donated so much money to this

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school that the cabin was named after him. Now think

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about that for a minute. Should this man be any

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where near all of these young teenage be tween girls.

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Probably not the right place for this guy. But what

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they'll say is, as an organization, the Interlocan School, oh well,

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we had no idea. We had no idea that Jeffrey

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Epstein was a predator or Jeffrey Epstein was this sick,

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disgusting human being. But shouldn't they know better If you're

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going to give somebody access to your campus and you

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have a bunch of children running around, isn't it a

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good idea to properly vet those people? And if not,

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at what point is there some accountability for this school?

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Now I'm certainly not an investigator or a lawyer, and

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that's just a genuine question. At what point do we say,

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all right, well, this school is the one that welcomed

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Jeffrey Epstein with open arms onto its campus and then

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this happened. So while they're not directly responsible for the abuse, right,

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the school didn't do it, Jeffrey Epstein did, but they

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opened the door. And I think that that's a point

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that needs to be discussed a little bit more so,

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these organizations that were with Epstein, helping Epstein, helping Maxwell,

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they need to have their part of the responsibility for

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enabling all of this, and we've seen it throughout this case.

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There has been some responsibility from at least the social

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aspect of this. We know that Glenn Dubin has lost

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his status, We know that Les Wexner had to step down,

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Leon Black had to step down. Prince Andrew is absolutely disgraced,

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but it's not far enough. Right. It's one thing to

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be disgraced and still go home and swim around in

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your billions and billions of dollars and a whole other

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thing to be held responsible for your alleged role in

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Jeffrey Epstein's criminal enterprise. And we have to remember, though,

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that the scope of this trial specifically is only in

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regards to the behavior of Maxwell in the time period.

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So people who are expecting a bunch of other stuff

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to be brought up here, I think they're gonna be

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a bit disappointed. Now we're going to hear names of

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people who were in Epstein's circle again. We heard about

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Trump today, we heard about Clinton. And you know, these

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are reoccurring names that if you've followed the Jeffrey Epstein case,

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you've seen these names pop up over and over and

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over again. And if it was just one tabloid, say

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who was talking about it, it's easy to shrug your

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shoulders and say, oh, come on, what a bunch of

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ludicrous nonsense. But when you get story after story after story,

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it is a little harder to ignore it. And that's

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what we have seen. We have just seen time and

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time again, story after story about the culpability of all

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of these people around Jeffrey Epstein, whether it be enabling

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him and Maxwell or outright participating. It's the same story

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for all of these people. And campus is like this

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school campus up in Michigan. They need to have some

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kind of penalty when stuff like this happens. Because you're

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a school, right your job is to raise and nurture children.

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You would think probably to keep them safe is a

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big part of that as well. So I hope that

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there is some kind of repercussions, but I'm doubtful. You see,

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there's never repercussions for the enablers, and it certainly does

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seem like there'll be serious repercussions for the enablers here

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in this case as well, at least not in this

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portion of the trial. So we're gonna jump into some

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of that testimony today, and we're gonna go through the

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testimony from Jane, from Matt, and then from the executive

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from Interloking. So let's dive in and let's start with

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the testimony from Jane. So obviously they got ready to

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go in the morning. There were some issues. They had

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some issues about a Rule sixteen issue about it went

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into some things that could be disclosed or shouldn't be

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disclosed if it's an impeachment of the witness, blah blah blah.

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So they had this whole entire discussion before the jury

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even came into the room. So they got that all

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squared away, they had a sidebar, got it all locked in,

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and then the jury comes into the room and do

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we get ready to go? Now? The questioning from Meninger

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stayed in the same ballpark that it was in yesterday

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and what we expected. Very combative and trying to set

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Jane up as somebody who has a problem remembering things. Also,

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of course there's the money angle. Oh, this is about money,

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this is about this, this is about that, when in

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reality it's about the abuse that Jane suffered at the

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hands of Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. They want to make

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it about everything but that, and hopefully the jury doesn't bite.

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So Meninger starts off the questioning by asking did you

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turn seventeen in your final year at interlogan? Jane answers, no,

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I was sixteen. Menager directs the jurors to pick up

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a small binder under their chairs and turned to J three.

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So obviously I have no idea what Jay three is.

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None of us know. It's evidence that was introduced to

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the trial and discovery. I'm guessing, and now they want

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the jurors to take a look at that as far

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as the testimony that Jane is giving here, so you'll

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see that from time to time they'll have things pre

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prepared as part of their questioning strategy. Menager goes on

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to say, and your application said you came from a

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long and loving family, right. Jane says, that's what it says.

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Menager says, do you recognize the document? Jane goes on

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to say, I do not recognize it per se, but

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I see my signature. Meninger advises her that it's your

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application to interlogan manager then goes on to say, when

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you spoke to your younger brother, you didn't mention there

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was a woman, correct. Jane says, I don't think so.

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Menager goes on to say, and you told a news

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source that you were approached by Glaine. No mention of Glane, correct.

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Jane says, I don't remember that. And again, remember this

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is their strategy. They want to try and make it

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seem like she has no idea what she's talking about,

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like she has no real memories of this or a

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recollection of this and you also see why they're bringing

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the memory expert in that they were able to call

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as a witness, or they're going to be able to

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call as a witness. So it all lines up. Now

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their strategy really starts to make sense. It's a two

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pronged approach. Right, A, you misremember basically calling her a liar,

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but in a nice way. And b Oh, you're motivated

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by money. That has always been their strategy, and that

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has always been the way that they were going to

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go about this. Really, what it all comes down to

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is is the jury going to buy it or are

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they going to see through it and understand what really

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happened here? A Meninger goes on to say, when you

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got to Epstein's house with your mother, your house was

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in West Palm Beach, right. Jane says, no, it was

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in Palm Beach. Meninger says, you didn't cross any state lines,

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did you? No? I didn't. There were only the three

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of us having tea. So she's trying to establish that

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this didn't happen over state lines, but which is ridiculous

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because maybe this one instance didn't, but what about the

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trips to New Mexico and then shouldn't that enact the

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Man Act right away? You would think that there would

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be the Man Act being thrown around in this case,

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but we haven't seen it, and we certainly haven't seen Rico.

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That's what really this should have have fallen under. This

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is a criminal conspiracy put in place by numerous people,

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so it should be a Rico case and a huge umbrella,

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but unfortunately it's not. But what Meninger is trying to

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do here is to establish that this didn't happen over

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state Lions, and she's trying to conflate and cause some confusion.

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Meninger goes on to say, have you ever spoken with

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your sisters about your boyfriends? Jane goes on to say,

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I didn't have any boyfriends. Then the US attorney called

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for a brief sidebar. So I'm sure that they had

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to confer about the line of questioning or about some

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of the other particulars going on, so they called for

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the sidebar. And you'll see this in trials, obviously, I'm

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sure you're all aware. In the middle of a trial,

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one of the defense or the prosecution will call for

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a sidebar with the judge. So after the sidebar ended,

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Maxwell's lawyer comes back and she says, look at the

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last line in the top paragraph. You told the agents

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that Epstein would decide where everyone sat. And as Meninger

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was pursuing this line of questioning, there was an objection

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by the prosecutors, and the objection was she should only

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ask does it refresh your recollection? So Judge Nathan says,

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go ahead and ask, and Menager, with those exact words, says,

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does it refresh your recollection? Jane goes on to answer yes,

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Menager says, and there was nothing sexual in the theater.

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Jane goes right. So what she's trying to do is

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again build a timeline where she is showing that Jane

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doesn't remember, or that this doesn't happen, or that it

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was all just, you know, very innocent what Jeffrey Epstein

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and Glaine Maxwell were up to. And this obviously is

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going to be the line of defense as we move forward.

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Menager goes on to say, yesterday it said it was

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shortly after the poolhouse that you had this incident with

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Epstein and Glaine. Right. Prosecutors objection as to form. Judge

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Nathan says, specify what you're talking about. Prosecution objection Manager says,

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this is foundational. So what Menager is saying is that

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this is a very important part of all of their

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defense here, right, this is foundational to our defense. It

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has to be admitted. Menager goes on to say, you

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told the government you do not have a specific memory

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of your first time with Glaine. Prosecutors objection, Menager, you

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have come up with the memory in the last two years.

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Jane says, I don't believe I have come up with

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the memory. No, So again, you see the memory, right,

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she's talking about. She forgot, this never happened. She misremembered,

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and that's how they roll. And you know, once we

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saw the witnesses that Glaine Maxwell was going to call,

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once we saw the memory expert and all of that,

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we should have been aware that this was going to

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be a key component. Jane says, it is not typed

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up right on this form. Maxwell's lawyer Manager another typo

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by the government, you know, an unneeded dig. But again,

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it's gonna get testy in this courtroom. This is one

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of those explosive cases. Manager is making a boatload of

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money and it's going to get explosive at points. What

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I think is interesting as well. You notice that Everdell

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isn't doing the cross today, that it's Manager who took

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over because they wanted to get into the slime and

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the crime, so they figured if they had another woman

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performing the cross it would go over better. Prosecution objection.

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Manager says, you told the government Galaine never used sex

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toys or a vibrator on you. Jane says correct. So again,

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what they're trying to do is establish Jane as a liar. Well,

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you said one thing fifteen years ago or twenty years ago,

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and you're saying another thing now, And that's definitely what

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they're going to do. And I know it's frustrating for

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people to watch, and it's gross. The behavior is gross,

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but this is what these lawyers do. There is no

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rock left unturned by these lawyers, especially when you're paying

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this kind of money, and it's just gonna get grimier, folks. Unfortunately,

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I just want to prepare you all for a real

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disgusting few weeks, especially those of you who haven't followed

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this case and might only have a skin deep idea

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about what happened here. This is some of the most

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sadistic brutality ever and performed by people in the most

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highest of positions. Menager goes on to say, you said

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Glane never saw your perform oral sex on Epstein. Jane says,

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I don't recall. Menager replies, look at the document. Judge

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Nathan says, let's take a break. So that was the

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first session this morning, when Jane first got on the

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stage on the stand and the questioning started. Now, they

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had a break, and then after the break, obviously they

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came back, so we'll dive into that part of the

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testimony now. So after they came back from the eleven

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o'clock break, Meninger's lawyer continued, I mean Maxwell's lawyer manager

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continued with the same line of questioning, again attacking the

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memory of Jane. She goes on to say, you testified

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yesterday your first sex with Epstein, and you first had

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sex with Epstein in his poolhouse in Florida, but you

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told the government it was in New York. Jane says,

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those are not my notes. I did not write that

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down and it was not recorded. So she's trying to

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once again act like Jane is basically lying here, saying

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that she told she testified yesterday that the first time

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her and Epstein had sex, the first time she was

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assaulted by Epstein, was in the poolhouse in Florida. But

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she goes on to say that she told the government

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that it was in New York, and Jane disputes this.

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She says that that's not the case. Those weren't her

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notes and she did not write that down. So it'll

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be interesting to see what the Jerry makes of that.

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Menager goes on to say, you told them you only

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remembered one incident in New York when Galane was present.

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Jane goes on to say, I don't recall. Menager says,

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look at document three five zero nine dash zero zero three.

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Hasn't your story changed? Jane replies, I didn't understand the question.

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So the hammering continues, and you see her dog at

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approach here. She's not giving up an inch Menager. And

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as I was following along with some of the comments

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today in some of these threads, people were not very

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happy with Menager, and it is a gross tactic. But

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that's what these lawyers do. Lawyers like Menager. This is

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her specialty, right, she enjoys it. Now, I'm not saying

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she enjoys, you know, going hard on victims I'm talking about.

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She definitely enjoys her job, you can tell. And she

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might even enjoy that part of it. Who knows. I

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don't know the lady, but I'll tell you this much.

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I don't think, when all said and done, that this

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is going to be the right strategy. Menager goes on

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to say, you told the government you flew to New

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York with Epstein in Glane to see The Lion King. Jane,

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I said that, but I was incorrect in my timeline.

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I was fourteen. So The Lion King came out in

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nineteen ninety four, and that's when she was fourteen. But

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they're talking about again time frames. They're also brought up

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that the Broadway show The Lion King, which started in

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nineteen ninety seven, which would have had the timeline incorrect.

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But Jane here is saying she was fourteen. Menager goes

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on to say, you were a student of theater and

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the arts at the time. Correct. Prosecution objection as to form.

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So you know what that means. Right, She's trying to say,

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she's an actor, So you're a student of theater and

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arts at the time, right, So you know how to act,

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you had, you know, you got acting chops, You're the

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next insert great actress here. That's how Menager is going

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to frame it. That's what she's going to try and infer. Meanwhile,

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we know she was a young kid at the time.

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How many of you out there took theater classes. How

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many of you out there were thespians. I know I

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was in technical theater growing up, and I highly doubt

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anyone was as good of an actor to pull off

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a whole acting performance here. I mean, it's just ridiculous,

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and it just goes to show you that the whole

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entire plan is scorched earth for Maxwell. It also, in

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my opinion anyway, shows that they're desperate. If they weren't desperate,

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I highly doubt they'd be going this route now. At

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this point, Judge Nathan called for another break because Jane

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needed some water. Then they get back on the stand

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and Menager continues with her peppering of Jane. Let's go

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to your conversation in February twenty twenty about the Lion

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King prosecution. No objection, Menager says, I know miss Mo

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would like to come and do this for me. Another

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dig at the prosecutors and Menager is, you know, skating

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on thin ice with that kind of stuff. I mean,

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it's kind of expected for the snarkiness to happen, but

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this early in the trial, boys, like I said, she's

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bringing out all the artillery. Obviously, Alison Moe objected to that,

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and then Menager goes, but the Lion King on Broadway

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didn't start until you were seventeen years old. Did the

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government or mister Glassman suggest to you that you might

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have meant the Lion King movie. Prosecution goes on objection,

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so again bringing up the Lion King and trying to

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point out that there's a lot of misremembering going on here,

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and it's was left at that. After the objection, Menager

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then changes her tactic or line of questioning to talk

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about New Mexico. So you recall going to the New

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Mexico Range a giant, huge home, correct, Jane replies, like

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all the homes, Menager says, and that Jeffrey ups Epstein's

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brother went with you. Jane says, I don't recall, now

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that would be interesting. Huh. We really haven't heard too

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much about Mark Epstein. He's been kind of a enigma.

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Throughout all of this, but we know that he's an

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owner of the building on sixty sixth Street where a

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lot of these trafficked girls were being housed. And again

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it raises the question, how is there not a rico

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case here? How are all of the people who are

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financially connected to Epstein and Maxwell not being forced to

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sing a song? And unfortunately, what it shows you is

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that the government just doesn't have the backbone to do

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what is really needed to be done here. Meninger went

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on to say, you weren't asked to have sex with

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any of Epstein's friends, were you? Jane says no. Meninger says,

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did Epstein introduce you to people in the arts? Jane

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replies not really. Menainger then goes on to say to

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the dean of Interlogan at a cocktail party, Jane, I

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don't recall. And this is a true tactic by Menager.

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What she's trying to do is to get her to

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say I don't recall as many times as possible, so

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she'll ask like vague questions, do you remember meeting people

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in the arts? Did you ever meet the dean of

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inter Locan at a cocktail party? Mind you this is

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back in nineteen ninety four, so it is the strategy

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that is very apparent at this point, and I wonder

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what the prosecution is going to have up their sleeve

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to answer it. Menager then goes on to say in

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Document three five zero nine dash zero zero one, you

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said you met Donald Trump at mar A Lago before

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the poolhouse incident. Jane, I don't recall, Menager, you said

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Epstein took you in a dark green car to mar

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A Lago to a meeting with Donald Trump, and prosecution

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says asked, an answered and also misleading. So very interesting

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that they bring that up again, right, And what I

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think they're trying to do is establish the fact that

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there are a lot more, if you want to say,

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bigger fish involved in all of this. So they keep

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pointing out things like Trump et cetera, et cetera. And

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again another good tactic from Menager. But I don't think

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it's gonna be enough to throw people off of the

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ball here. And I think that the main point for

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the prosecution and for this trial, remember, is Maxwell and

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the crimes that she's being accused of. So they're gonna

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try and conflate it with all kinds of other things,

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but it's gonna be up to the prosecution to keep

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the jurors eye on the ball. Menager says, you also

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had some recollections about flying on the private plane with Epstein. Right.

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Jane says yes. Menager goes on to say, you said

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you were asked your weight when you got on the plane. Correct.

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Jane says yes. And there was a lot of weird

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stuff that happened within Epstein's circle. He had a lot

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of things like that go on. For instance, the Core

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four all would go get their haircuts down at Frederick

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Focai's shop. He had you know, a tab there when

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they'd all go down get the haircut that he liked.

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And it was, you know, a very weird situation in

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the whole Epstein circle, very very very much not what

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is being presented by the media. Meninger says, in twenty nineteen,

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before Epstein was arrested, you were contacted by the government, right,

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Jane says yes. Defense goes on to say, but you

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said you were not interested in getting involved. Jane says, right,

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So you're gonna hold that against her. Why would anyone

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want to get involved of testifying against Epstein? Before he

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was dead, considering the fact that he was caught literally

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with his pants down and nothing happened to him. You're

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somebody from a broken home, You're somebody from a disadvantaged background,

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somebody who and you have this man with all of

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this power and all of this influence. What are you

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supposed to do? Go and tell on him? Well, how'd

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that work out for Maria Farmer? How did it work

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out for all the girls in Palm Beach? So again

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this part of the defense falling flat in my opinion.

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The defense goes to say, then you hired mister Glassman,

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a personal injury lawyer with ads? Well, yeah, of course,

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he adds ads, he's a lawyer. What does that even mean?

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Who is she supposed to go and hire some high

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profile lawyer like you, missus Meninger. She didn't have that

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kind of money. She was living in a poolhouse, remember,

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But all of a sudden everybody should go and hire

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miss Menager and Christian everdell God forbidd a lawyer has

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some ads on a billboard. Manager redirects her question and

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changes reform and then goes on to say, did you

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see his ads touting his big verdicts? Jane responds, he's

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a friend of a friend. Menager goes. Manager's response to

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that is is this year contingent fee agreement? Showing her

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a document obviously. Jane replies, yes, it is. So they're

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setting it up like Glassman. Here was the one who

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talked Jane into going to the government about Epstein again,

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all about money, all about motivated by money, and I

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don't really buy that, to be honest with you, it's ridiculous. Again,

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who is she supposed to reach out to. Not all

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of us have millions and millions of dollars. Not all

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of us have a big bank account where we can

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hire an all star team of lawyers. After that exchange,

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Menager changes tax again and starts asking about the ex

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boyfriend Matt, who we heard about yesterday and I told

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you would be a witness today. You've talked to your

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ex boyfriend Matt, right. Jane says right. Menager goes on,

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and you you were in a beauty pageant sponsored by

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Donald Trump. Jane says yes. Manager says, do you recall

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crying that Jeffrey Epstein only gave you two thousand dollars

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for address? Jane says no. Then Menager goes Han to say,

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you were on a reality TV show with Matt Right,

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and Jane responds, yes, so there's a lot there. First

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of all, you were in a beauty pageant sponsored by

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Donald Trump. Okay, Trump sponsored a ton of beauty pageants,

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so that doesn't shock me one bit. We talked about

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that a little bit yesterday. Trump has had his hands

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in all kinds of you know, beauty pageants and that

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sort of a scummy part of the world. That's why

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it cracks me up when anyone expects this, you know,

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this guy to be like some great guy or something.

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News flash, he's not. None of them are. None of

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these people, these politicians, and they're all gross, all of

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these people who were hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein. And

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I don't care, I don't I don't care if it's oh,

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it's my favorite politician. Well, I don't know what to

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tell you here. Worshiping is really weird to me, and

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especially when it comes to these guys who have been

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outed as absolute scumbags. Meninger says, and there was tension

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and you cried. Jane responds, reality shows are not really reality.

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Then Manager says, you claimed you were putting a roof

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over your family's head. Jane responds, I don't know if

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i'd use those words. You told that to Matt. Jane responds, well,

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they were living at my house. So you see what

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she did here with the reality TV show. She throws

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that in there to once again to try and point

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out to the jury that she's a looking for money.

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She's an actress, she wants to increase her profile, and

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this is all they really have. This is what they're

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going to continue to do. As we see these witnesses

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get on the stand, continued, and you demanded money from

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Glean Maxwell, Jane says, I have a lawyer. Meninger says,

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and you sought money from the Epstein compensation fund. Look

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at Exhibit J eighteen at six you were offered how much?

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Jane says? Five million? So that's significant right there, folks.

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And you know, people don't talk about this enough, but

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they should. Once Epstein's estate paid that money out to

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these girls, they're accepting liability that this happened. So right

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here in court with Epstein paying out that money, Menainger

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pointing it out, well, Epstein is taking responsibility and culpability

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here because they're paying for it aren't they if this

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never happened, do you really think that Epstein's estate would

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be paying out this money? So they're taking responsibility for it.

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And what Glan Maxwell and her team are trying to

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do is push it all on to Epstein and act

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like Galan Maxwell had no part in any of this.

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So after those questions, Judge Nathan said that it's time

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for lunch. Everybody heads out to lunch, you know, goes

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and does their thing, and then they get back in

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you know, roughly an hour, and the questioning continues. So

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after lunch when they came back, Menager again kept going.

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So you went to a specialized entertainment school, right, manager,

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And since then you've played roles like a cancer patient.

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Jane yes, Menager, prostitute Jane no, Menager, you can cry

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on command that line is just a prostitute. You have

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to throw that in there, right, Let's just go ahead

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and throw that in there, shouldn't we And ridiculous Again

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she says no, and then you can cry on command. Ridiculous,

471
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So basically again trying to establish that she's lying, that

472
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,039
this is all hemeditated, it's all made up, and it's

473
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:06,400
all in act Menager says, your accusations in this case

474
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,799
include that you were fourteen when you were abused, right, Jane, Yes, Menager,

475
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,920
you first told the government you were thirteen, Right, Jane,

476
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,680
I might have said thirteen going on fourteen. It's a

477
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,799
small technicality. And she's right, that's a long time ago.

478
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400
There's a lot of trauma and a lot of research

479
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,839
that goes into all of this that talks about how

480
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,079
there's repressed memories and all of that. Again, I am

481
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,000
not a psychologist. I won't even begin to act like

482
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:40,799
I understand all of that science. Also, Jane said, on

483
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,759
the prostitute role, not my favorite role. Manager goes on

484
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:48,839
to say, you talk about the Lion King and you

485
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,200
say you were fourteen, but it only came out when

486
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,880
you were seventeen, right, And you said you were fifteen

487
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,559
when you met Mike Wallace at his eightieth birthday party, right, again,

488
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,359
bringing up other people. Very shrewd move by Menager. She

489
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,519
wants to take the spotlight off of her client and

490
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960
put it on some of the other names that has

491
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:13,519
been in Jeffrey Epstein's atmosphere. She goes on to say,

492
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,240
Jane says, I don't know how old I was this

493
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,839
one cracked me up. Menager goes, you don't know when

494
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,480
his birthday is? Look at j thirty three. Does it

495
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:25,720
refresh your recollection? Breaking news? Meninger, who the hell knows

496
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,119
when Mike Wallace was born? Who the hell knows when

497
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,920
Mike Meetloaf Wallace was born? I mean, really, you expect

498
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,920
this young lady to know when Mike Wallace was born? Holy? Really?

499
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:45,359
Obviously the prosecutors object to this, and it was sustained,

500
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:51,799
Nathan saying there was no basis for refreshing. Meninger goes

501
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:57,839
on and says, in your civil case, you got integration interrogatories.

502
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,160
Do you know what those are? Jane says no. Oh.

503
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,039
Manager says so your lawyer answered for you under your oath,

504
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,519
and you didn't know. Jane says, I don't know very

505
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:11,119
honest about what occurred here, right, And I think at

506
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,039
this point it's rather obvious to the Jerry what's going

507
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,480
on here? Now? Again, I don't have a line to

508
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:18,839
the Jerry. I certainly am not a mind reader, but

509
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,240
you would think that it's obvious where they're going with this.

510
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:35,400
Now it's uh, moved on, and the redirect starts with

511
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:42,400
assistant prosecutor asking the questions, did any of US prosecutors

512
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,839
ever tell you what to say at this trial? Jane responds, no, prosecutor.

513
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:51,319
You were asked about notes of meetings with the US.

514
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Did you speak about everything all at once? And Jane

515
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,000
goes on to say no. Then she goes on to say,

516
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,680
why did you speak to the tabloid reporter? And that

517
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,920
was a big mistake by Jane, right. Speaking to a

518
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,679
tabloid reporter is never a good idea. These people don't

519
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,840
have any kouth. They're just trying to get a story

520
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,800
out in a headline out. Jane says, he basically blackmailed me.

521
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:23,280
He said he would publish uneradacted documents. Judge Nathan says

522
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,360
this is not for the truth of the matter asserted,

523
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,519
but impact on the listener. Prosecutors go on to say,

524
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:33,679
did you make an agreement with the reporter? Jane says, yes,

525
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,280
I talk about meeting Jeffrey Epstein. The reporter would keep

526
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,960
my name out of it. I was working on a

527
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,519
TV show. And this is the scummy moves that a

528
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:43,079
lot of these reporters are up to. A lot of

529
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,519
these so called legacy media journalists are up to and

530
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:48,280
that's why people don't have any faith in them or

531
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,039
any trust in them. When somebody tells you something in

532
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,000
confidence like this, I don't care if you're a reporter

533
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,880
or not. If something is off the record, it should

534
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,880
stay off the record. But there's no dignity, right, there's

535
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,360
no more moral compass. It's all about who can get

536
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,519
the headline out first and who can move the most units.

537
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,639
And it's rather gross, honestly. The prosecution says, do you

538
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:18,280
know the difference between acting on television and testifying in court? Jane,

539
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:23,199
now sobbing, crying, answers, yes, this is real. I am

540
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,000
seeking closure. I have been running from this my entire life.

541
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:29,400
I want to help in whatever way I can and

542
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,159
maybe find some healing. So again, she's sobbing, now rough

543
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:39,119
for her, obviously reliving all of this, talking about all

544
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,480
of this, putting it all out there for everybody to see.

545
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,400
The prosecutor goes on to say, do you have any

546
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,840
financial interest in this trial? Change response? No. Prosecutor is

547
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,719
done with her line of questioning and says nothing further.

548
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,079
Judge Nathan says that Jane, you can step down, and

549
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:03,159
then they take another break, and after the break they

550
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:07,119
go on to the next two witnesses, and they weren't

551
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:11,719
on the stand very long today, so I'm guessing we'll

552
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,480
pick up with that line of questioning tomorrow as far

553
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,960
as the gentleman that they ended with here, the man

554
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,880
from uh inter logan. So after their break they come

555
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,599
back and now the ex boyfriend Matt is on the stand. Now, Matt,

556
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:30,800
we talked about a little bit yesterday when he was

557
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,800
brought up. I was wondering who he was gonna be,

558
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,800
and then it came to light, obviously that it was

559
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,519
the ex boyfriend of Jane. So let's jump into this

560
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:45,199
line of questioning from the prosecutors. How do you know Jane,

561
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:48,280
Matt responds, she's my ex girlfriend from two thousand and

562
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,199
six to twenty and fourteen. Prosecution. Did you live together Matt? Yes,

563
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,360
from two thousand and seven to twenty and fourteen prosecution.

564
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,840
Are you still friends? Matt? Yes? And we work on

565
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:08,079
the same TV show. So that's a pretty cool thing

566
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,519
to see, Huh, that her ex from all these years

567
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:13,800
ago is willing to step up to the plate and

568
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,000
take the stand in a trial as hyper sensitive as

569
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,360
this prosecution. What did Jane tell you about her home?

570
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,480
Life to this question, Maxwell's lawyers objected. Nathan responds any foundation,

571
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,880
and Maxwell's lawyers say it's hearsay, So another sidebar commences.

572
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,480
After they return, Nathan says, miss Mo, I'll ask you

573
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:40,920
to narrow the question. Mo. Did Jane speak about her

574
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,440
family finance when she grew up? Matt yes, that when

575
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,079
her father got sick, they went broke. The mother was

576
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:49,639
working a small job. They were in the same bed.

577
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:55,039
So what he's doing here is corroborating what Jane had said,

578
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,320
telling the court what he knows about this, what Jane

579
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,440
had told him and revealed to him in their time together,

580
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:06,639
and it corroborates the story that Jane has been telling.

581
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,559
Matt goes on to say they she told me she

582
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,880
had a godfather. Later she told me it was Jeffrey Epstein.

583
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,800
I said he helped pay your bills. She said, yes. Prosecution,

584
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,800
when did she tell you she met Epstein? Maxwell's lawyers

585
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,559
object to this, and Nathan goes on to tell the

586
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:36,079
prosecution that they have to ask more specific questions. Alison Moe,

587
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,800
did Jane tell you what happened between her and Jeffrey Epstein?

588
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:43,960
Matt not specifically, prosecution, did she say why he gave

589
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960
her money? Matt said, she just said it was not free.

590
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,199
That's pretty chilling. Imagine this young girl has to do

591
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,360
whatever Epstein wants, if she wants a new instrument for school,

592
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:58,360
or if she doesn't want her mom thrown out on

593
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,360
the street, or she doesn't want her family not to

594
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,400
be able to eat. Prosecution, did they tell you about

595
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,920
a woman who was involved? Matt said yes. Prosecution then says,

596
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,360
did she give the woman's name? Response from the witness,

597
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,239
Matt no. Back to the prosecution, what was her demeanor

598
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,159
like when Jane told you about Jeffrey Epstein? Shame, Matt responds,

599
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,920
and that's a typical emotion when it comes to, uh,

600
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,880
this sort of thing. Unfortunately, a lot of shame. And

601
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,119
that's because there's a big stigma on all of this, right,

602
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,639
you know, these girls that come forward a lot of times,

603
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:38,519
they're dragged through the mud. They have their reputations just

604
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:42,840
completely destroyed, and it's almost not worth it, unfortunately for

605
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:52,159
these girls, especially with high profile people like this. The

606
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:55,239
prosecution says, what did Jane tell her money? Matt goes

607
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,039
on to say that money was not free. That and

608
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,199
before he could finish the prosecution. They cut him off

609
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,880
and prosecution goes, don't say what the mother said, just

610
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,400
what Jane said. Matt continues his statement. Jane told her

611
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,519
mother that the money was not free and that it

612
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:16,360
should not have been allowed. And the profile that we

613
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,559
have painted of Jane's mom is not good, you know,

614
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,920
Jane's mom. It seems like she was looking in the

615
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,159
other direction here, and it's kind of disturbing the way

616
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,320
Jane was explaining it and how her mom was kind of,

617
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,639
you know, trying to shame her about this kind of thing,

618
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:37,639
and really pretty sad to read that. So after the

619
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:42,719
questioning was done, Maxwell's lawyers didn't even bother with the

620
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,079
cross of Matt, so he was sent on his way.

621
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,400
And then the next witness who was brought up was

622
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:56,440
Daniel Vesselsen of Interlogan. Now he's one of the executives

623
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,360
over there, one of the money men, and he was

624
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:05,000
brought on to discuss Jeffrey Epstein and the fundraising aspect

625
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:09,880
of this. So he gets into the witness chair and

626
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:14,760
prosecution starts out, where is Interloch in Michigan. Vesselson responds,

627
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,199
near Traverse City prosecution, how did you keep fundraising records,

628
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:25,000
Vesselson Salesforce prosecution, we offered GX seven forty four a

629
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:30,920
document under seal. Now GX seven forty one, Vesselson responds

630
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,920
a letter to mister Epstein about the scholarship's lodge, how

631
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
much he'd give. So obviously we don't know what the

632
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,800
seal documents have to say, but I'm guessing it has

633
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,280
to do with the amount of money Epstein gave to

634
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,920
this lodge, which was a lot of money. Prosecution, what's this?

635
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,159
Looking at the document, and Vesselson says, the lodge formerly

636
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,360
known as the Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge. Can you imagine

637
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:05,000
the lodge on property was named after Jeffrey Epstein and

638
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,280
we've we've been talking about this for years. You would

639
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,280
think this is something the legacy media would have been

640
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,760
all over. You would think that this would have caused

641
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:16,480
at the very least some questions to be asked. But silence.

642
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,400
So now the cross examination starts and it's very short

643
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:32,519
because it's obviously almost time to wrap up. So Maxwell's lawyers,

644
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:36,199
you don't have records for the individual and the individual's siblings. Correct,

645
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,840
Vesselson goes on to say, correct, Maxwell's lawyer, mister Epstein

646
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,800
certainly was a major donor, correct Vesselson. Yes, And with that,

647
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,960
that's the end of it for today. Now tomorrow they're

648
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,760
gonna bring Vesselson back up and they'll finish this cross

649
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,599
examination and we'll see what else they have in store

650
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,840
for us as far as witnesses and all of that jazz.

651
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,360
But if you're looking to follow this case, and you're

652
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,440
looking to do it in like real time on like

653
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,199
Twitter or whatever, you got to check out Inner City Press.

654
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:09,559
They're doing a great job of providing transcripts for all

655
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,199
of us to go through and dig into. And yeah,

656
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,119
I'm very thankful for those guys over there and the

657
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,079
work that they're doing. It's, you know, being a good

658
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,559
journalist is almost a lost art at this point. So

659
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,559
got to make sure you give them their props. And

660
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:25,960
if you haven't followed them already on Twitter, if you

661
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,119
use Twitter, I don't blame you if you don't, definitely

662
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,639
give them a follow and think about contributing to their

663
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:35,440
work because it's real solid and it's providing a huge

664
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,679
benefit for all of us, right and there's other people

665
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:42,039
doing it as well. I just think that his work

666
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,679
is very, very good. So that's gonna wrap it up

667
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,119
for today, folks. And that's where we stand as far

668
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,559
as the trial. As day three comes to a close

669
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and we await day four, we'll just have to see

670
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,679
what sort of twists and turns are in the road

671
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ahead of us. If you'd like to contact me, you

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can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com.

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That's b O B B Y c A p U

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c c I at ProtonMail dot com. You can also

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find me on Twitter at b O B B y

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underscore c A p U c c I. The link

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for the thread what we talked about here from Inner

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