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Speaker 3: Hour number two here on a Tuesday afternoon, a game
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Speaker 3: on Sports Talk seven ninety Louisville and Bellerman tonight seven
Speaker 3: o'clock tip. I believe it's a seven o'clock tip. I
Speaker 3: just assumed that it was. Yeah, it is just making
Speaker 3: sure and it'll be on the ACC Network Extra, which
Speaker 3: means you will have to rely on the ESPN app.
Speaker 3: And if you have television, I mean, I hate at
Speaker 3: one point we do need to get the like when
Speaker 3: you say watching TV, I still think, like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: watching something on my television. It doesn't necessarily it could
Speaker 3: be you know, it could be cable, it could be streaming.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't have cable, but you know this
Speaker 3: game is on television because it will be easy to
Speaker 3: watch on your television, but it'll be streaming. And yes,
Speaker 3: I will have to get out of YouTube TV on
Speaker 3: my TV rather. You know, I've got a Roku, I've
Speaker 3: got a Smart TV. So I think we're going to
Speaker 3: watch it in the basement, so I'll be using my
Speaker 3: smart TV. Therefore, I will probably at the time have
Speaker 3: it on YouTube TV, probably have it on you know,
Speaker 3: Sports Center or something like that. And then at seven o'clock,
Speaker 3: I will go back to the home screen of my
Speaker 3: smart TV and I will click on the ESPN app
Speaker 3: that's right there, and then I'll log in with my
Speaker 3: YouTube TV account because that's where I access ESPN's family
Speaker 3: of stations, and then there I can watch it. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's more work to be done than if you were
Speaker 3: just channel surpent essentially, but because I'm a court cutter
Speaker 3: and I have YouTube TV, I'm quite literally watching it
Speaker 3: the same exact way. It's just on a different app.
Speaker 3: How many different apps do you, guys bounce around on
Speaker 3: your phone every day? So I still sense some resistance
Speaker 3: to people that, you know, think that they're having to
Speaker 3: do a lot of extra work here to watch this game,
Speaker 3: when like, no, I'm not going to pick on him
Speaker 3: because I love him and he's my father, but my dad,
Speaker 3: like he's yet to watch any Louisville game this year,
Speaker 3: and he'd hate that I'm calling him out right now.
Speaker 3: I feel bad, but I've already done it dead. We
Speaker 3: can't hit the dumb button now. I mean he's kept
Speaker 3: up with it, but like he's and he's I think
Speaker 3: he's gone to some of them with with with with
Speaker 3: my uncle Wayne. But he acts as if like, well, okay,
Speaker 3: oh it's on ESPN Plus. Well, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe I'll find a way to it. Maybe, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll maybe I'll download it or something. I mean
Speaker 3: he's not, you know, technologically illiterate, but like I just
Speaker 3: want to scream at him, Dad, you would be watching
Speaker 3: this the same exact way if it was on ESPN
Speaker 3: or ESPN two or ACC Network that's not extra, ACC
Speaker 3: Network regular, Like it's the same you know, you're it's
Speaker 3: the same thing. You just have to go to a
Speaker 3: different app. Now the log in info that can be
Speaker 3: a pain in the rear. And to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: like here I am telling people that they should realize
Speaker 3: it's not that difficult. And really, more than anything, it's
Speaker 3: because this is just this is where it's going. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have a football game in the NFL on
Speaker 3: Netflix only on Christmas Day. I was looking for a
Speaker 3: college basketball game the other day, and I know that
Speaker 3: there's all kinds of different streaming apps that are getting
Speaker 3: exclusive rights to broadcast a lot of games rather be football, basketball, whatever.
Speaker 3: But like I never thought to look at Peacock, but
Speaker 3: there it was, and it was it was you know,
Speaker 3: once I got there, it was easy to watch. So
Speaker 3: you know, ESPN plus, I mean, I think it's actually
Speaker 3: a pretty wonky platform that is that doesn't work the
Speaker 3: way that it should. But nonetheless, like the way you know,
Speaker 3: that's ESPN's fault, not like the streaming world's fault, meaning
Speaker 3: like this. But again, even if I hated it like
Speaker 3: it like some people do, it's not going anywhere. This
Speaker 3: is how we're gonna watch games for the rest of
Speaker 3: time I'm probably, or at least for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 3: So yes, it's on a different app. But like if
Speaker 3: you already watch your live TV on like I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to we'll move on in just a second. But
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of those that would be unable
Speaker 3: to watch, and I'm sure there are some out there.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like everybody has cut the cord. But
Speaker 3: put it this way, if you've got a TV that
Speaker 3: is a smart TV, and I don't really know when
Speaker 3: smart TVs came out, but they've been around for a
Speaker 3: little while now. And when I say smart TV, maybe
Speaker 3: our definitions are different. But I'm thinking of a TV
Speaker 3: that when you turn it on, like you can go
Speaker 3: to an app and you can download an app. Now,
Speaker 3: before I had a smart TV, we used Roku. In fact,
Speaker 3: I've used Roku, which is an external device. I'm assuming
Speaker 3: everybody knows what a Roku is, but I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe you don't, But a Roku is a device you
Speaker 3: plug in. It's a little box you plug into your TV,
Speaker 3: and that basically let's you know, if you plug that
Speaker 3: into your Htmi then you're using the Roku interface to
Speaker 3: download apps and watch things via streaming. So I mean,
Speaker 3: if you have a TV that doesn't that's not a
Speaker 3: smart TV and you only have like traditional cable, which
Speaker 3: I guess right now, your only traditional cable would be Spectrum,
Speaker 3: and I guess you could still have Dish or Direct TV.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's probably still people that they really would
Speaker 3: have to watch it on their phone, or watch it
Speaker 3: on a device, or you know, maybe old school pull
Speaker 3: it up on your laptop and connect an HDMI cable
Speaker 3: from your laptop to your TV, and I get it,
Speaker 3: like that may not be something worthwhile to you if
Speaker 3: you're really not that interested in this game. But the
Speaker 3: people who act like they can't watch it or they
Speaker 3: just you know, like if you don't have cause. Again,
Speaker 3: if you have direct TV, Spectrum, Dish Network, if they're
Speaker 3: still around, you probably have ESPN available to you. Therefore,
Speaker 3: all you have to do is get to an ESPN app,
Speaker 3: rather it be www dot ep dot com or on
Speaker 3: your Roku if you have one. If you don't and
Speaker 3: you have, but you have a TV that's new enough
Speaker 3: to where you have apps, you can still watch it
Speaker 3: that way. So again, I'm sure there are still some
Speaker 3: that just have standard spectrum TV and a box and
Speaker 3: they just change channels and you wouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: watch it that way. But it's not because you got
Speaker 3: to pay for anything. It's just because of you.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 3: You don't you don't technologically have what's needed to watch
Speaker 3: it on your television, at least not yet. So you know,
Speaker 3: if you really want to watch it, and you have
Speaker 3: the situation, the setup that I just described where you
Speaker 3: just got that spectrum box and that's it if you
Speaker 3: just use your phone and you open up the ESPN
Speaker 3: app and you try to watch it that way or
Speaker 3: on your iPad or whatnot. You can put in your
Speaker 3: your login for Spectrum and you can watch it for free.
Speaker 3: So you know, I just encourage people to if you've
Speaker 3: yet to really figure it out or put in the
Speaker 3: work that you feel like isn't worth it before too long,
Speaker 3: like this is just going to be how it is,
Speaker 3: and you won't watch sports if you don't have the
Speaker 3: ability to understand the smart TV with apps or the
Speaker 3: Roku device or a fire stick. I think there's others
Speaker 3: out there similar to that. So again, tonight, if you
Speaker 3: want to watch it, that's how you'll you'll do it.
Speaker 3: But hopefully I hope there's a big crowd tonight because
Speaker 3: and I have no clue what attendance is going to be.
Speaker 3: And I probably shouldn't even mention that because I don't
Speaker 3: want to go down that path of talking about what's
Speaker 3: a good crowd, what's a bad crowd. But I do
Speaker 3: feel comfortable at least saying if you're playing other teams
Speaker 3: that are you know, in this caliber where Bellerman is,
Speaker 3: you have a better chance of getting people to come
Speaker 3: than you do if you're you know, this game should
Speaker 3: should be a better attended game than if you were
Speaker 3: playing Morehead State. I would say, but you know again,
Speaker 3: I think it's tough to really predict Louisville crowds for
Speaker 3: games like this, even though Bellerman is a local school,
Speaker 3: of course that they've got fans here as well that
Speaker 3: are going to want to come and watch watch their
Speaker 3: team play. All right, it's coffee to come. But we
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Speaker 3: He appreciate you hanging out with us. We're gonna be
Speaker 3: joint coming up here in about fifteen minutes by cl
Speaker 3: Brown or the Courier Journal. We'll talk about a lot
Speaker 3: of things with cl. But if you are just now
Speaker 3: joining us. We did address the tough news yesterday for
Speaker 3: Louisville football. I mean, it has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: football itself, but certainly not a good look and certainly
Speaker 3: not good timing considering the way things played out for
Speaker 3: Jeff Bram and his team at Stanford. But defensive fact,
Speaker 3: Teyon Holloway has been charged with assault and feling strangulation.
Speaker 3: That news came out right towards the end of the
Speaker 3: show yesterday.
Speaker 2: I was not.
Speaker 3: In fact, I got up out of the chair, I
Speaker 3: walked to our kitchen here at iHeart, and came back
Speaker 3: in and saw my phone it was going off and
Speaker 3: somebody had texted me the link of theirs. I think
Speaker 3: it might have been Matt mcgavick who put it out
Speaker 3: there first, but I think somebody had sent me his tweet.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait a second.
Speaker 3: First of all, this is bad, not a good look
Speaker 3: by any means, But wait a second, isn't Holloway the guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah he is.
Speaker 3: He's the guy who committed a really senseless penalty. And
Speaker 3: I ain't even like comparing the two things, like, well,
Speaker 3: on this day he committed a penalty, they cost his
Speaker 3: team a game.
Speaker 2: The next day he was strength like.
Speaker 3: They're not related, but like a clearly a tough couple
Speaker 3: of days for for Tayon Holloway. You know, one is
Speaker 3: a criminal offense that if he's guilty of it, like
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's gonna probably you know, not dud don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't even to go down that path of guessing
Speaker 3: what kind of punishment he would get when it comes
Speaker 3: to the courts or whatnot. But he's the same guy
Speaker 3: who committed the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for that sideline push.
Speaker 3: That was one of many things that helped Stanford win
Speaker 3: the game the way that they did. And then whenever
Speaker 3: Louisville arrived back on Sunday, he ended up. And I
Speaker 3: have no clue if this if this young woman is
Speaker 3: his girlfriend, friend or whatever, but again he was arrested
Speaker 3: in charge with felony strangulation misdemeanor domestic assault after he
Speaker 3: is accused of attacking a woman when she tried to
Speaker 3: stop him from smoking mari marijuana on Sunday night. And
Speaker 3: this seemed to be like as far as timing here,
Speaker 3: about an hour after they got back in town on Sunday.
Speaker 3: So the police claimed that Halloway threw the woman off
Speaker 3: the bed and struck her in the face with his fists.
Speaker 3: When she tried to fight back, Halloway allegedly put a
Speaker 3: pillow over the face, smothering her for about ten seconds
Speaker 3: before attempting to throw her out of the room.
Speaker 2: That's according to the police report.
Speaker 3: Police were dispatched to a call for service at an
Speaker 3: apartment on Shelburne's Circle around nine o'clock on a nine
Speaker 3: to one to one hang up call.
Speaker 2: Somebody called nine one want to hung up.
Speaker 3: They had to vet that and make sure everybody's okay,
Speaker 3: and they did that, and all parties inside of the
Speaker 3: apartment were initially uncooperative according to the officers there. And
Speaker 3: the alleged victim had laceration to her upper lip and
Speaker 3: puffy eyes. So he pleaded not guilty yesterday and was
Speaker 3: able to postpond. Ten thousand dollars was his bond, according
Speaker 3: to the court records here, and he's not allowed to
Speaker 3: have any communication with the alleged victim. And U of
Speaker 3: L has released a statement they did yesterday right after
Speaker 3: this became public, that they were aware of the rest
Speaker 3: and they're gathering information. But while they do that, Teyon
Speaker 3: Holloway has been suspended from all team activities. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's one of those instances where you kind of think, like,
Speaker 3: can you can't make this up?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Like, no way this I mean again, this.
Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with football itself, and what he
Speaker 3: did when he got back to Louisville clearly is a
Speaker 3: different I mean, it's a different world compared to you know,
Speaker 3: him making a mistake that really hurt his team on
Speaker 3: Sunday or I'm sorry on Saturday, but yeah, just not
Speaker 3: the kind of news you want for your Louisville football
Speaker 3: For any me, you don't want this news if it's
Speaker 3: non football related, if it's not a college football player.
Speaker 3: I mean, these are things that you know you never
Speaker 3: want to see happen anywhere. And it's also never a
Speaker 3: good look for your program to have a player doing
Speaker 3: these kind of things. But this is clearly an isolated thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope it doesn't become a pattern with
Speaker 3: you have l football players, But you know, I don't
Speaker 3: think that this is a sign like anybody trying to
Speaker 3: look at this and then act as if it has
Speaker 3: any kind of a factor on the season and the
Speaker 3: team being undisciplined and the way they lost to Stanford
Speaker 3: or maybe even other like that. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 3: I do whatever you want, but I just I'm surprised
Speaker 3: that at least, you know, some have decided to compare
Speaker 3: the two things. Is if this is a sign as
Speaker 3: to how bad things are going for Louisville football. Clearly
Speaker 3: a rough couple of days when it comes to the
Speaker 3: perception of your program, you know, taking a pr hit
Speaker 3: with an embarrassing loss, and then of course this type
Speaker 3: of news, but it's an isolated thing. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know for sure, and I'll stand corrected if I'm
Speaker 3: wrong here, but I'm pretty sure since Jeff Brohm has
Speaker 3: been here, you haven't had any any type of issue
Speaker 3: like this or anybody getting arrested for any type of situation.
Speaker 3: And I don't anticipate that this will become a pattern
Speaker 3: or anything like that. I would imagine this will probably
Speaker 3: end up being a very isolated thing, which is what
Speaker 3: you want.
Speaker 2: I mean, you mean you don't want this at all.
Speaker 3: But hopefully this is the first and only time something
Speaker 3: like this happens for Louisville fotball with je Brahm as
Speaker 3: the coach. All right again, Seal Brown going to join us,
Speaker 3: coming up here in about ten minutes. But let's go
Speaker 3: to the text line really quickly. Here FIVO two six
Speaker 3: five to three zero seven ninety. It's the Ellen n
Speaker 3: Federal Credit Union text line. And this person had a
Speaker 3: long I mean, I knew it was going to happen,
Speaker 3: and it's okay. I tried to clarify, and people hear
Speaker 3: what they want to hear. I am not saying in
Speaker 3: any way that Louisville should not play Bellerman. I only
Speaker 3: wanted to bring up a different way of looking at
Speaker 3: it that I think a lot of fans that are
Speaker 3: Louisville fans or Bellerman fans, maybe fans of both, often
Speaker 3: don't consider when it comes to this game in this series,
Speaker 3: if coach Pat Kelsey decided Bellerman was going to continue
Speaker 3: to be a team that's, you know, in the three hundreds,
Speaker 3: and he wanted to make sure they're playing teams that,
Speaker 3: you know, as far as he can tell, they'll be
Speaker 3: at worst, you know, two fifty or better, like that
Speaker 3: would make sense because of the analytics, because of how
Speaker 3: the how the selection committee is. Again, it's not like
Speaker 3: they're going to go back to, Okay, you beat them
Speaker 3: by thirty seven, you should have beat them by forty two.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that. But we now know that
Speaker 3: there is a formula out there that the NCAA relies
Speaker 3: on when it comes to the NCAA tournament process, And
Speaker 3: I think it makes total sense for every coach to
Speaker 3: consider every game and determine, Okay, does this one make
Speaker 3: as much sense as this game that we could get
Speaker 3: do we stand to potentially put ourselves in a situation
Speaker 3: where we could benefit more so by playing this team
Speaker 3: than that team. So if Pat Kelsey decided he didn't
Speaker 3: want to play the game anymore, I just want people
Speaker 3: to realize that would be the reason why. I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe there's another reason. I don't know, he only he
Speaker 3: could tell you that. So I'm not saying that they
Speaker 3: shouldn't play or that I'm mad that they played other
Speaker 3: I'm just stating that with the I mean, look, it
Speaker 3: was asked to coach Kelsey at his press conference yesterday.
Speaker 3: I think it was asked for, you know, for obvious reasons,
Speaker 3: because I think people realized that, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 3: maybe he wouldn't want to keep doing it, because I
Speaker 3: do think it became pretty clear that Chris Mack did
Speaker 3: not want to play the game. And I don't know
Speaker 3: specifically why he didn't want to play the game. But
Speaker 3: in fact, I don't even know people realize this. This
Speaker 3: is actually from I guess about I mean half five
Speaker 3: six years ago, something like that.
Speaker 2: But at one point.
Speaker 3: U of L needed to use Freedom Hall for I
Speaker 3: think a postseason like an NCAA volleyball tournament game, and
Speaker 3: they didn't have the ability to use dum Center, So
Speaker 3: Bellerman gave them access to Freedom Hall, which they were
Speaker 3: using at the time, and I think in return, Vince
Speaker 3: Tyree agreed to schedule Bellerman basketball as they transitioned to
Speaker 3: D one. So it was really like, okay, we'll we'll
Speaker 3: get you on the basketball scale. For however, many years,
Speaker 3: the series was if we can use Freedom Hall for
Speaker 3: volleyball because we really needed so I think that's how
Speaker 3: it all came about. And yes, they've played for many,
Speaker 3: many years, but it was always an exhibition game because
Speaker 3: Bellerman was Division two. It changed whenever they became a
Speaker 3: Division one program. So anyways, back to the whole. For
Speaker 3: those who didn't hear me talking about it in the
Speaker 3: three o'clock hour, I did want to reset and kind
Speaker 3: of clarify my comments as to like, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Anti the game.
Speaker 3: I love Coach Davenport, and you know, whoever Louisville plays,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna. I'm going to realize
Speaker 3: I have no say so and who they schedule. But
Speaker 3: I just think there's a there's there's a reason why
Speaker 3: it's being asked. It's because there may be a situation
Speaker 3: where they decide not to do it, and I would
Speaker 3: say that would be the reason why if they made
Speaker 3: that decision. But this text that came in, I'll kind
Speaker 3: of I guess paraphrase here.
Speaker 2: I don't want to read a word for word. It's
Speaker 2: pretty lengthy.
Speaker 3: But it's somebody that's that's, you know, upset about what
Speaker 3: I'm saying about the Bellerman game. And again I think
Speaker 3: you have selective hearing. But they do bring up a
Speaker 3: good point. And and I didn't know this, but it's
Speaker 3: worth mentioned given what we're talking about tonight. Cincinnati they
Speaker 3: will and by way, they're a top twenty team right now.
Speaker 3: Wes Miller and Cincinnati will cross over into Kentucky and
Speaker 3: play n KU at NKU.
Speaker 2: And you know what, good for them.
Speaker 3: That's cool if they want to do that, But you
Speaker 3: know what that is, that's a gift programs like NKU
Speaker 3: and Bellerman getting to play teams like Louisville and Cincinnati
Speaker 3: is I mean, it's it's I don't want to say
Speaker 3: it's something they need. They could go get other teams
Speaker 3: to play them as well, but like it's a beneficial
Speaker 3: thing for them, where it's not for Cincinnati or Louisville. Now, again,
Speaker 3: if you're talking about well, Hey, the fans would like
Speaker 3: it because you know, they're both Division one schools here
Speaker 3: in Louisville. Like, yeah, that's like that, that's awesome. And
Speaker 3: I mean that sincerely. I'm not saying like that's lame,
Speaker 3: but that that can't be why your coach schedules the games.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it can, but like I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't think that would be the way any coach
Speaker 3: would go about it. So that's that's charity, is what
Speaker 3: that is Cincinnati going to Northern Kentucky to give them
Speaker 3: a home game, Like that's that's that's a big deal
Speaker 3: for them now. I would also I would also think
Speaker 3: that a factor there for them making that decision to
Speaker 3: go play them at in KU would be that they
Speaker 3: probably have a lot of fans that are Cincinnati natives
Speaker 3: that might live in Northern Kentucky now, right because it's
Speaker 3: right there on the Like, they probably also realized that,
Speaker 3: like that's not a tough travel for uh for fans
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati, and they may have fans that are like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't have to go to Cincinnati. I live right
Speaker 3: here in Holland Heights, or I live right here in
Speaker 3: you know, Newport one of those areas near northern Kentucky.
Speaker 3: But yes, I did not know that, and good for them.
Speaker 3: But if they didn't do that, and they said, hell no,
Speaker 3: why would we go play you at in Ku, I
Speaker 3: would also understand that. All right, let's get to a
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Speaker 3: I got to talk about what happened in the Bay
Speaker 3: area on Saturday afternoon. I don't know if I can
Speaker 3: think of a loss that. You know, literally every little
Speaker 3: thing in the last I don't know a few minutes
Speaker 3: of action needed to happen for Stanford to be in
Speaker 3: a position to win that game in overtime with a
Speaker 3: field goal.
Speaker 2: It all happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, I that's got to be one of the
Speaker 3: most I mean embarrassing losses ever as far as not
Speaker 3: only who it is, but like how it all happened,
Speaker 3: just your thoughts on a game that you know, for
Speaker 3: my ends still have a tough time processing it played
Speaker 3: out the way it did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he pretty much summed it up, Nick. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think some of it. It wasn't just like and
Speaker 5: I know you weren't saying Stanford got lucky, but I
Speaker 5: think Louisville helped tremendously in losing that game.
Speaker 3: And oh there's things that, like, quite literally the only
Speaker 3: thing that could have given in the chance to do it,
Speaker 3: Louisville served it up for him. I mean, that's it's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, And it's disappointing to see a team
Speaker 5: that just came off of arguably the biggest win, the
Speaker 5: biggest road win in in program history. Uh certain certainly
Speaker 5: since they've been in the ACC and then go to that.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's it's imbalance. You can't really understand
Speaker 5: or justify how how that actually happened. I was sitting
Speaker 5: here thinking Stanford was just gonna be kind of playing
Speaker 5: out the string and they were gonna kind of lay
Speaker 5: down if if Louisville got up early, certainly in the
Speaker 5: fourth quarter up two scores, I thought it was a
Speaker 5: done deal then, and uh, be honest, I kind of
Speaker 5: stopped watching and got away from you know, would come
Speaker 5: and peak. And then even even on the last drive
Speaker 5: when when Louisville got the first down, moved into Stanford territory,
Speaker 5: Tyler shuck spikes the ball, I'm thinking, okay, they're about
Speaker 5: to get a field goal here, and then step away
Speaker 5: one more time. I come back and Stanford is lining
Speaker 5: up for the for the game winner, and it just
Speaker 5: it was it was mind boggling how it all happened.
Speaker 5: But I mean, they got to get past that quickly,
Speaker 5: because pitt is certainly a capable team, even though they're
Speaker 5: on their own losing streak coming into here on Saturday,
Speaker 5: and they got quarterback, not issues at quarterback, but I'm
Speaker 5: not sure that they know who's starting right now with
Speaker 5: the normal starter Eli Holstein's he was out last week.
Speaker 5: I think he was in concussion protocol and they're back
Speaker 5: up and Nate Yarnell played.
Speaker 4: So it should be an interesting game.
Speaker 5: I wonder too if U l at this point it's
Speaker 5: going to be looking ahead to the Kentucky game, just
Speaker 5: because that, to me will define how successful the season
Speaker 5: is since since kind of the ACC goals are out
Speaker 5: the window, and certainly the College Football playoff goal was
Speaker 5: out too. But the win over Kentucky will make things
Speaker 5: a lot easier. But they can't, you know, obviously, they
Speaker 5: can't look past Pitt right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last two games here could give you, if you,
Speaker 3: if you win much easier said than done, could get
Speaker 3: you at eight and four finished in the regular season,
Speaker 3: which isn't what a lot of fans probably envision for
Speaker 3: this team, but it still would be for Louisville. That's
Speaker 3: that's usually considered a pretty good season in really any
Speaker 3: any year. But I think last year with the ten,
Speaker 3: with the ten wins and getting to the ACC championship,
Speaker 3: it did of course up expectations, if anything, just slightly
Speaker 3: for for Louisville fans around here. But what is so
Speaker 3: puzzling to me is that, you know, I think if
Speaker 3: Louisville does some avoidable things against good teams, like they've
Speaker 3: got the pieces to where they could compete. I don't
Speaker 3: want to say with like anybody, but we do have
Speaker 3: a year where there's a lot of parody at the
Speaker 3: top of college football. They like That's what's so puzzling
Speaker 3: is that I actually think Louisville losing these two games
Speaker 3: in an embarrassing fashion is certainly on the table. But
Speaker 3: if they win and it's not close, that's also something
Speaker 3: I could see happening. It's you know, you're ten games in,
Speaker 3: you have an identity, But if you're Jeff bramin the code,
Speaker 3: like fans are frustrated, imagine what Jeff Brom's feeling like,
Speaker 3: Like he means he's watching his team weeke in and
Speaker 3: week out show stretches where you're like, man, this is
Speaker 3: a pretty special group. Like I think there are players
Speaker 3: on this team who knows what it looks like in
Speaker 3: the future because of the portal and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. But like, I think they got a good
Speaker 3: team here, but it just hasn't added up for them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean it has it just hadn't added
Speaker 5: up to a big like a special season to big wins. Well,
Speaker 5: it added to a big win at Clemson. Like but
Speaker 5: you know, I mean when you when you go back
Speaker 5: through all.
Speaker 4: Of these losses of it, this is kind of a
Speaker 4: lost season where the games are right in their grass.
Speaker 5: I mean the Notre Dame game, it's the three turnovers,
Speaker 5: you know, the SMU game they have the fumble overturned
Speaker 5: on the game winning drivet for SMU. The Miami game,
Speaker 5: same thing with the scoop and score, although defensively obviously
Speaker 5: that was their worst game of the season, closely rivaled
Speaker 5: by it when at Stanford. But it's just they were
Speaker 5: right there to take all these games that they lost.
Speaker 5: The funny thing is, though, at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 5: one of the columns I wrote was that Louisville could
Speaker 5: have a better team this year with the worst record
Speaker 5: than they had last season. I think the schedule kind
Speaker 5: of fell in their favor last year, not saying it
Speaker 5: was the sole reason they won ten games, but it helped,
Speaker 5: you know, with them getting to the a SEC Championship game.
Speaker 5: And this year, to me, they had the toughest schedule
Speaker 5: in the ACC because of how it all turned out.
Speaker 4: I mean, they played the top.
Speaker 5: Three teams basically in Miami, SMU, and Clemson, and nobody
Speaker 5: else had to play all three of those teams.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I think lucky.
Speaker 2: I think you're spot on.
Speaker 3: It's just I think what makes it frustrating for fans
Speaker 3: is that, yes, you did play the toughest schedule in
Speaker 3: the ACC and losing to those teams is why you
Speaker 3: were in the top twenty of the College Football Playoff rankings.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't because Wow, you just lined up and
Speaker 3: they're just a lot better than you. I guess you
Speaker 3: could probably say that for Mia for the most part.
Speaker 3: But against SMU, you know that late fumble that you
Speaker 3: that you referenced, and I think even just such a
Speaker 3: poor star defensively where they were just able to put
Speaker 3: up fourteen quickly within the first two drives. It's things
Speaker 3: that you feel like should have been I guess, you know, avoidable,
Speaker 3: Like I think last year's team, there's no doubt the
Speaker 3: schedule was clearly something that that had was a factor
Speaker 3: in them getting to a ten and two regular season,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what the ceiling was for that team. Honestly,
Speaker 3: it probably is what it was ten wins, to be honest,
Speaker 3: but I think last year's team did develop an ability
Speaker 3: to to just fight till the end and avoid big,
Speaker 3: costly mistakes at bad times. Like they won some close
Speaker 3: games that some can say, well, hey, the break went
Speaker 3: their way, it's luck, whatever, But I think you can
Speaker 3: develop a skill as a team to wear Okay, let's
Speaker 3: stay locked in. We're not going to hurt ourselves. Let's
Speaker 3: keep fighting, and we'll find a way to win this year.
Speaker 3: I think this team, for whatever reason they find I
Speaker 3: don't want to say, they find ways to lose, and
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to take credit away from the teams
Speaker 3: that do beat them, but man like, some of the
Speaker 3: mistakes they make are avoidable, and they seem to happen
Speaker 3: at the worst possible time, and again fans are frustrated.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what Jeff Brom's feeling right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well, I think Brom will feel a lot
Speaker 5: better beat in Kentucky at this point.
Speaker 3: Totally, but he's probably thought about that game more than
Speaker 3: anybody last year, to be honest with you, Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 5: But I do think too, even with this season like,
Speaker 5: even though the Georgia Tech game was thirty one to nineteen,
Speaker 5: you know, Georgia Tech was going to kick that field
Speaker 5: goal with the score twenty four to nineteen and it
Speaker 5: would have made it a one.
Speaker 4: Score game, you know, to close out. But Louisville gets
Speaker 4: the block and returns for a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Like they at Virginia too. That was one that could
Speaker 2: have easily gone the other way.
Speaker 4: Virginia game two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, on the road, they could have easily let
Speaker 5: that get away. So I guess to your point, there's
Speaker 5: a level of consistency that you have to have in
Speaker 5: those situations, and Louisville has not had that this season.
Speaker 3: One more question for you when it comes to football,
Speaker 3: and this will probably be better to assess next week
Speaker 3: whenever we see what happens with Louisville and pitt as
Speaker 3: well as Kentucky and Texas.
Speaker 2: But who do you feel like?
Speaker 3: And I think I know the answer this, but I
Speaker 3: want to get your thoughts, and I know you're not
Speaker 3: surveying every fan within both fan bases, but like, who
Speaker 3: do you think needs it more? Just because again, it's
Speaker 3: not going to change a whole lot in the grand
Speaker 3: scheme of things, for their season overall Kentucky. They don't
Speaker 3: beat Texas, they're not going to a bowl game, which
Speaker 3: is really unlikely for Louisville. You know, maybe it takes
Speaker 3: them from seven to eight or six to seven, whatever
Speaker 3: it may be. Who do you think probably needs that more?
Speaker 3: Stoops or Brom.
Speaker 5: I think Stoops does, just because it just feels like
Speaker 5: he's in a funny stage right now in his tenure
Speaker 5: at UK.
Speaker 4: And I really thought he was going to leave after
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 2: I think he did too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it takes me and m situation didn't work out,
Speaker 5: But what more can he do there? Like, I really
Speaker 5: thinks he's.
Speaker 4: Reached the level of.
Speaker 5: I don't know if frustration is the right word, but
Speaker 5: I think he's just kind of topped off and he's
Speaker 5: in a situation where if he doesn't measure up, like
Speaker 5: this season doesn't measure up to the past seasons of
Speaker 5: how he's raised expectations there, then it's looked at as
Speaker 5: a failure. But when you look historically at Kentucky football,
Speaker 5: these seasons happened all the time. These seasons happen more
Speaker 5: often than you know, the eighth straight bowl games you'd
Speaker 5: gotten too, So you know, I think there's a level
Speaker 5: of just what more can I do and what's next
Speaker 5: for Stuts. So if he were able to close out
Speaker 5: strong with the what would be a monumental upset at Texas,
Speaker 5: if they pulled that off and beating U L at home,
Speaker 5: that would you know, I think that might give him
Speaker 5: a little boost, a little be a little energizer for him,
Speaker 5: or at least a boost of energy for him. But
Speaker 5: I mean, I think brom just being here two, I
Speaker 5: still think, you know, I wouldn't put it in he
Speaker 5: needs it categories just yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I think with with Stoops, he's
Speaker 3: a guy that has probably taken more heat from his
Speaker 3: fan base this year than maybe he ever has. Just
Speaker 3: as far as they're not very good, they're not winning,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what their record you know, should
Speaker 3: be at this point.
Speaker 2: I mean, you are what your record indicates.
Speaker 3: But like, this is the Kentucky team that isn't a
Speaker 3: team that has a bunch of guys Joker Phillips brought.
Speaker 3: And this team has some pretty good players that came
Speaker 3: from some pretty and I still think that now, like
Speaker 3: if Kentucky lines up against Louisville at the end of
Speaker 3: the year, and you see Barry and Brown making plays
Speaker 3: that you know you've seen him make before. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be shocked. I mean, they've got Dan Key,
Speaker 3: another really good receiver. Their defense has guys that are
Speaker 3: going to play in the NFL. So you know, clearly
Speaker 3: he's He's had a lot of critics throughout this year,
Speaker 3: more so than he's probably used to. And I think
Speaker 3: if if they were to lose to Louisville, which he
Speaker 3: hasn't lost in a long long time, I kind of
Speaker 3: feel like part of their fans would be you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. We've been pretty bad this year, but
Speaker 3: I think it may turn into where they're like, all right,
Speaker 3: this guy, you know, he's clearly done all he can do.
Speaker 3: Let's let's move on. But he's saying that he's he's
Speaker 3: saying that he's gonna stick around. Look, you you've been
Speaker 3: around here a long time, cl you know that this
Speaker 3: both fans but don't feel great right now, but this
Speaker 3: win can do a lot for him and it can
Speaker 3: make Thanksgiving a lot more enjoyable for everybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but he I mean, Stoops isn't gonna walk
Speaker 5: away from nine million.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as we just just last week, like
Speaker 2: it just makes no sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you can't. There's really no reason for them
Speaker 4: to try and push him. Oh even with.
Speaker 5: My man summer um, some are all at zulaying kind
Speaker 5: of the coach in waiting, so to speak. At least
Speaker 5: if it was the right timing with the openings, I'm
Speaker 5: sure Kentucky would love to scoop him up as their
Speaker 5: next guy.
Speaker 4: But what are you gonna do with Stoops now? You can't.
Speaker 4: You can't really just force them out.
Speaker 5: So I think the most frustrating thing for Kentucky fans
Speaker 5: during the season, or one of the frustrating things is
Speaker 5: just when when you're at Kentucky you have to win
Speaker 5: the fifty to fifty games against comparable programs light South
Speaker 5: Carolina like Vanderbilt.
Speaker 4: Uh and in this particular year, Florida was struggling the way.
Speaker 5: They were, and UK have had recent success against them,
Speaker 5: and you know they didn't handle that game at all well.
Speaker 5: And and Auburn at home, I mean Auburn ran for
Speaker 5: three thousand yards.
Speaker 2: In that case, I think that was their first conference win,
Speaker 2: wasn't it?
Speaker 4: Their first conference win? Was Ole Miss? Right?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I think I think that was Auburn. I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think Auburn was winless at that time.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. So you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, you can understand losing at Tennessee. You can understand, uh, certainly,
Speaker 5: losing at Georgia, even though they played one of their
Speaker 5: best games of a year short of that Old Miss game.
Speaker 5: But you know, when you get blown out by South
Speaker 5: Carolina at home, losing to Vanderbilt at home, those are
Speaker 5: the things that are like, you know, you're not going
Speaker 5: to have a successful season at UK when you lose
Speaker 5: those kind of games.
Speaker 3: All right, let's switch gears to basketball. Louisville back in
Speaker 3: action after a ten day break tonight taking on Scott
Speaker 3: Davenport and the Bellarman Knights. An unusual long break there
Speaker 3: after a big time beat down. Obviously, I'm sure Pat
Speaker 3: Kelsey was able to utilize that time to really learn
Speaker 3: from the loss to Tennessee. I'm not sure Bellerman's the
Speaker 3: kind of team that's going to be able to test
Speaker 3: you similarly to where you see if you did get
Speaker 3: better from that previous situation.
Speaker 2: But what are you looking to see tonight?
Speaker 3: I think with both teams, you're gonna see a lot
Speaker 3: of three point shots and probably a Louisville win that
Speaker 3: you know, given the way the season has gone for
Speaker 3: both teams so far, I would say probably a big
Speaker 3: win for Louisville.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Scott Davenport's a pretty good coach, we
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just curious in terms of what kind of
Speaker 5: tweaks well see what from the Tennessee game till now,
Speaker 5: if if any at all. I'm still kind of curious
Speaker 5: about Pat Kelsey's rotation, specifically with Casey and Pryor, because
Speaker 5: to me, he's one of their best five and should
Speaker 5: be on the floor more.
Speaker 4: Or at least.
Speaker 5: Starting and that kind of thing. But I kind of
Speaker 5: want to see how that plays out. And the thing
Speaker 5: about Bellerman, it's it's it's strange, you know, to see
Speaker 5: them coming in winless oh to four right now.
Speaker 4: They've played, they've had a couple of close losses, you know,
Speaker 4: certainly to be in my in southern Indiana, but.
Speaker 5: I would expect them to kind of have saved up
Speaker 5: their best effort of the season for tonight, you know,
Speaker 5: if for no other reason, it's it's there's still they
Speaker 5: deal and they're in the city with U L fans,
Speaker 5: and you know this is still a chance to make
Speaker 5: a mark. Although I don't anticipate the same results from
Speaker 5: two years ago, but I do think they'll they'll come
Speaker 5: out with a spirited spirits at play.
Speaker 3: One more question for you when it comes to this
Speaker 3: match up this series. You know you're gonna see coaches
Speaker 3: and it's already happening where they're a little more selective
Speaker 3: who they play. That is, in this level of college basketball,
Speaker 3: there's over three hundred and sixty Division One teams, and
Speaker 3: there are certain teams you play that you really don't
Speaker 3: stand to benefit in any way. It's not going to
Speaker 3: kill you, but you can fall in the Kent palm,
Speaker 3: you can fall on the net because you can't beat
Speaker 3: a team by as much. I mean, you'd have to
Speaker 3: beat them by an ungodly amount of points. Do you
Speaker 3: think that that will lead to Louisville? Maybe potentially. And again,
Speaker 3: we're still learning a lot about Pat Kelsey as far
Speaker 3: as his scheduling strategy. I mean, a lot of the
Speaker 3: schedule this year was already put together before he got
Speaker 3: the job. But I do think that's something that fans
Speaker 3: should consider. As much as you want this game. Bellerman.
Speaker 3: At least as of right now, they are kind of
Speaker 3: in that tier of a team that you really other
Speaker 3: than just you know, maybe getting a lovely environment more
Speaker 3: so than you. But if you brought in i don't know,
Speaker 3: Lipscumb or something, or North Florida or Jacksonville, I could
Speaker 3: see coaches saying, hey, this is a game we're going
Speaker 3: to stay away from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I don't know, it's kind of tricky. You
Speaker 5: could always justify playing this game, you know. I mean
Speaker 5: Morehead State was similarly in the bottom third, you know,
Speaker 5: in terms of the Ken Palm and those kind of sites,
Speaker 5: analytical sites. They were around the three hundred, you know,
Speaker 5: three hundred level team. But I think at some point
Speaker 5: you just kind of got to look at the greater
Speaker 5: good of things. But also factoring in is the ACC schedule,
Speaker 5: because you know, with the way the conferences is kind
Speaker 5: of taking a step back. I mean, they made a
Speaker 5: big deal. Jim Phillips Commissioner Jim Phillips over the summer
Speaker 5: or at least during their spring meetings, had a huge
Speaker 5: talking point on scheduling with ACC men's basketball, and they
Speaker 5: do want to see the bigger matchups against other powerful
Speaker 5: conferences that will help boost you know, the teams, the
Speaker 5: ACC teams in the net rankings, and also some of
Speaker 5: these other minor games. They don't they definitely don't want
Speaker 5: to see a lot of three hundred level teams on
Speaker 5: the schedules. So the thing about Bellarman during Scotti Davenport's
Speaker 5: time there, they have been you know, obviously a tough
Speaker 5: out and they've been you know, in the one fifty
Speaker 5: to two hundred reigns a couple of years in terms
Speaker 5: of their how they stacked up. So you know, those
Speaker 5: are teams you can schedule, and you know most teams
Speaker 5: do schedule those games against the Bellomans of the world.
Speaker 4: But and I would expect this.
Speaker 5: To kind of just be a dip right now for Scottie,
Speaker 5: and I think they'll get back to being, you.
Speaker 4: Know, at a playing at a higher level.
Speaker 5: And so I think you continue this series if it
Speaker 5: were me scheduling, because I also don't think you're going
Speaker 5: to get development upset. You know, that was like once
Speaker 5: in a generational thing. So I think it's good for
Speaker 5: the city to have these two teams play, and I'd
Speaker 5: like to see it go forward, But you know, who
Speaker 5: knows how it's going to be in the future.
Speaker 3: Well said, See, I'll appreciate your time as always, my man.
Speaker 3: Good to chat with you, and then we'll do it.
Speaker 3: Againsumer brother all right, take care Nick. All right, that's
Speaker 3: CEO Brown of the Courier Journal. Good stuff as always.
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Speaker 3: Just a few minutes left here in the four o'clock hour,
Speaker 3: and then we'll hit the top of the hour. Finish
Speaker 3: strong here for a five o'clock hour on a Tuesday
Speaker 3: game day, we'll get back into the development matchup as well.
Speaker 3: But in the NFL, just something that is insane to
Speaker 3: look at as far as numbers. The Lions against the
Speaker 3: Jags over the weekend out gained them by four hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy five yards, which I mean that almost seems
Speaker 3: like a stat that's not that's not possible. In fact,
Speaker 3: it's the biggest yardage differential in an NFL game since
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine. If you look at other other games
Speaker 3: that are that are in that in that ballpark. I
Speaker 3: guess in the seventies you had a lot of to
Speaker 3: be honest, a lot of ass women. Because in the
Speaker 3: Rams and Seahawks in nineteen seventy nine there was four
Speaker 3: eighty two yards difference Falcons Rams that same year four
Speaker 3: and eighty eight yards. In nineteen forty three, the Bears
Speaker 3: and the Giants, the Bears outgained the Giants by five
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five yards. In nineteen fifty one, the Yankees,
Speaker 3: yes there were the there was a team called the
Speaker 3: Yankees beat the Rams and outgained them by five hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty nine yards. So really an archaic type of
Speaker 3: butt whooping that that the Lions were able to handle
Speaker 3: the Jags.
Speaker 2: And I thought I saw this earlier.
Speaker 3: Is they have they fired as the Jaguars fired their
Speaker 3: coach yet or do they fire a GM doesn't look
Speaker 3: like it. For some reason, I thought I saw that
Speaker 3: they were that they'd made a move. Now there was
Speaker 3: a move made in the NFL today, and it's just
Speaker 3: a reminder that if you're gonna cut somebody and you're
Speaker 3: gonna you know, if you realize something isn't working or
Speaker 3: something went wrong, You're gonna end up seeing ownership move
Speaker 3: on from personnel within the office more so than a player.
Speaker 3: Because Aaron Rodgers got a deal with seventy five million
Speaker 3: dollars guaranteed from the New York Jets just a year
Speaker 3: ago and since then, three wins for Aaron Rodgers as
Speaker 3: their starting quarterback. Robert Saleh fired GM, Joe Douglas now
Speaker 3: fired today. So clearly it's their fault and not Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers's fault. And I mean, let's be real, I don't
Speaker 3: think the Jets are are are you know, thinking it's
Speaker 3: any one person's fault. But when you've got so much
Speaker 3: money invested, you're not going to get rid of that.
Speaker 3: You're going to go find people rather be your head
Speaker 3: coach and your GM clearly both here to figure out
Speaker 3: how to make it work because you've got seventy five
Speaker 3: million dollars tied up in somebody who you know, probably
Speaker 3: has played his best football long ago. And I've never
Speaker 3: been an Aaron Rodgers fan, but I've always thought he
Speaker 3: was really really good, like I think Green Bay Rodgers,
Speaker 3: you know, even though he had the one Super Bowl
Speaker 3: and at times they lost in the playoffs earlier than
Speaker 3: you feel like they probably should have. I've always felt
Speaker 3: like Rogers is one of the best quarterbacks I've ever watched,
Speaker 3: But the guy in New York now is not the
Speaker 3: same guy. And maybe it's because of personnel, maybe it's
Speaker 3: because you know, he's not what he once was, But
Speaker 3: I would be shocked if that ends up being a
Speaker 3: successful tenure there with Aaron Rodgers in New York. All right,
Speaker 3: quick break again. Sorry for the short segment. Clock management
Speaker 3: not my strong suit, but hey, stick around. We'll continue
Speaker 3: to get you set for tip off Louisville and Bellarman
Speaker 3: the night at seven o'clock and a lot of other
Speaker 3: things I want to get into as well, including John
Speaker 3: Calipari seemingly losing his mind in Fayetteville, which I'm taking
Speaker 3: great amusement in, as well as Pat Kelsey talking a
Speaker 3: little bit about tonight's matchup. In the college football playoff rankings,
Speaker 3: I think everybody other than Big ten fans are starting
Speaker 3: to see like, okay, nobody really believes that, Like the
Speaker 3: Big Ten has six of the top eight teams. Right,
Speaker 3: So again, we'll have a load at five o'clock hour
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