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Speaker 1: And we're back. So James gonna gave this interview on Friday,

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so just some update. It's gonna round them up. I think, yeah,

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I got all the Marvel stuff there. Oh well, actually

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I'll answer this question, uh first from Magic or Mike,

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because this is gonna kind of transition us. If I

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if you had to guess five years from now, do

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you think Marvel will still be on top worll DCU

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take the top spot in reverse of how things were

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a decade ago. Because I don't really have this anywhere

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I can put this in this and know as far

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as Superman had a fifty three drop off for the

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second week, so very good. That's where you want to be.

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I think it's like the fifth best DC one. So again,

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very it made like sixty million, it's already at four

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hundred million, so it looks like five hundred million is

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a lock. It's a question of if you can get

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to six hundred and past that. But really really good

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hold domestically. Obviously, they got four coming out this weekend,

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which is a very crossover audience. So we'll see what

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happens in the remaining weeks. And uh yeah, there's another

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edition that's gonna add there. But yeah, it's been it's

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been interesting to watch it because it's been having good numbers,

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but it's weird where the first weekend I just compare

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it to like the Batman because that's a more recently

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big one. The Batman beat it, and then during the

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weekday Superman, I think, like every day beat the Batman's numbers,

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but then the weekend, same thing. The Batman's a little

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better second weekend, so it's I thought the director was

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going but even then, it had the biggest Tuesday of

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twenty twenty five, had the biggest Wednesday of twenty twenty five,

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had the biggest non holiday Monday of twenty twenty five.

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So it's been doing good. It's just the problem is

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still the international numbers are not super high, and that's

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kind of the that's kind of the anchor on it

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right now.

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Speaker 2: So well, it's like summertime too, so do they like

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Mattineze like during the.

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Speaker 1: Week Tuesday Wednesday, Yeah, those are like the cheap days

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in America. We just get Tuesday, but they got those days.

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So but yeah, so it's having a really good hold.

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be how to do after the same week as at

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four and then the week after a four, but really

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good hold that is what they want. I think it's

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a good foundation, but that's the big debate is also

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my gast this question, and I'm thinking for bringing up

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was we talked about this that DC's not won since

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two thousand and eight, So I think it kind of

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combines that there there is a chance they could beat

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F four. F four is tracking good right now, but

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we'll have to see and the international will be better.

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So I think it's gonna be very close with F

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four and DC or with Superman. But yeah, where do

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you feel in five years from rest, Well, that's two

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thousand and thirty, two and thirty, who's the top dogs?

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Marvel made a comeback with the New Era and the

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six one seven, or its DC running game with the

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DCU now the fresh BOWLD new toy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really know. I think the ball is

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in the hands of the gunners over in the DC realm.

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I just think, like great start with Superman. Uh, maybe

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there's some fatigue on the Marvel side of what's been

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going on there. But again, transporting us to the future

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of five years, I think like as long as they

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have the same quality of what like I can only

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judge the one Superman product checked, but like if it's

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to that level, I think that's not the easiest comparison.

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Makes like that is a massive movie. Uh you know

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James gun himself was was the man creating that one, but.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen mil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well deserved, he worked his ass off. I don't

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much Jennifer Holland God for that for fifty fifteen. Yeah.

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So I like, like, unless the next project is like

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a big hit on the hype scale, I think it's

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going to be in DC's hands just because they're already

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going to be like, well on their way and then

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in that like we're gonna be pretty early on with

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the new relabeling or new era I guess six point

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seven of the Marble side. It's so so tough to say, though,

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because I feel like one string of like bad movies

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can just really alter the perception of and just hype,

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which happened already you right, yeah, yeah, exactly, like string of.

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Speaker 1: Shows and movie like maybe not in a row, but

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there was enough of them that I think people are yeah, not.

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Speaker 2: As good as you know, yeah, one hundred percent. So

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I I it's tough. I never want to, you know,

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bet against five gee, but uh, I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go Marvel. I think, yeah. I think

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if you ask me in ten years, that's a bit trickier.

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for them is they have a lot of history, so

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they always have just like they did this time, like

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I get a downy jail free card, like they always

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have people like, same thing. If they have Hugh Jackman

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stick around or even five years from now. Let's say

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they don't. And I don't believe this right, but let's

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say for some reason Deadpool is not in any Secret

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Wars dooms. Let's just say they go, ah, you know what,

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it's too jokey. We want this to be serious. It

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just is not working. You can't do it here. You

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tell me they announce all Deadpool four in two thousand whatever,

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you know, twenty nine, twenty eight. It's gonna make money.

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And that's the problem. Where with the d you can't

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do that yet. If you don't get me wrong, I

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think one day, if the DCU is successful, you could

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be a situation where oh yeah, Henry Cal's back at

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Superman like a told maguire thing, right, But you can't

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do that yet. And I even think like the next

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five years is still too quick. So I've said this before,

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so I'm just repeating. So I apologize for you know,

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old time listeners, but new listeners. The Marvel has a

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chance to make people maybe not entirely fall in love

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with them. But you know, and this is this is

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not a specific before sbubs hits me, this is not

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a specific scenario. But I'm just saying like, if you

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were in a relationship and let's say you got cheated

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on and you get back to together that person they

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give you all these reasons they're perfect. That'd be Marvel's

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Spider Man, Doom say and Secret Wars where they got

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to be great where it's like, you know what, they

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stepped out for a little bit, but they came back

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and they're good. Where to me, if you get back

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with that person Marvel and they cheat again, meaning like

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one of those three big movies suck, then you're like,

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you know what, probably done with the scenario. And that's

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the thing where I I'm saying the Marble will still

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be on top because I don't think they're gonna let

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needs to swap out and you need some new fresh

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blood in there, because that's like you can't stumble those.

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as infinny War Endgame, but I don't think it can

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like you gotta be I think you gotta be above

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that bar. So I think they will hit on that

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and they will recover. And like I said, you got

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two years after you got new stuff off. X Men's

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a hit boom. If F four is a big hit,

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you got a sequel in there. So I think they

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still have some heavy hitters to play with where DC

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is still gonna be establishing their stuff they're still getting

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their first Wonder Woman, Like we're not gonna get Wonder

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Woman at least TI twenty twenty seven, and that's two

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years from now, right, Like that's the earliest. So that's

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where it's like they're still in the early days, but

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ten years from now, I could see DC taking it.

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Speaker 2: And even though it is earlier, on to your point,

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like I'm still just thinking back to like when we

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got Wonder Woman and like her origin, like that was

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a billion dollar movie, and then we got Aquaman his

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origin that was a billion dollar movie.

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Speaker 1: Also, like wonder I'll stop you there. You've said this

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odd many casts or the Woman is not a billion

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dollar movie. I've always meant to tell you this. Say

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that again when I've listened to casts and you say that,

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wonder and because sometimes you've been on cast with Dylan

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who doesn't know, Like, yeah, true, Wonder Woman is not

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a billion dollar movie. The only billion dollar and it's

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like the only billion dollar movie the DCU was Aquaman.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you I will probably say Wonder Woman was

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a billion dollar movie. You will at some point in

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Speaker 1: It was a massive hit. I'm glad, but you've said

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that many times, and my mother can find.

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Speaker 2: Wonder Woman was a billion dollar movie. That's what I

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I'm hoping the same sometimes yeah, they're like then, I

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never watched it. But when you're talking about Marvel hot

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has has heavy hitters that they can always pull from.

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because why wouldn't I And I had this realization. She said, No,

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Speaker 1: Why did you He's not He's my heavy hitter.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that Terrence Howard was buried four times

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to three different women, so he married the same woman twice.

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and three, divorce, and then married again two thousand and five,

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two thousand and seven, Like they gave it a shot

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both times, but shuts out to Terrence Howard and his

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crazy uh ideals or whatever he's got going on, moving

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on that shot the fuck.

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Speaker 1: We're already long enough, we haven't gotten the DC fortune.

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And you're like, you me shit, are already look enough.

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different relationships. I didn't even hear about this.

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Speaker 1: Kirkly every time Transter some of us personally. So James

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was talking about Batman. So we're gonna we got two

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cutouts here, We're gonna go half, not even half now

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twenty minutes Batman updates, Uh, he said that. He did confirm,

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the Superman fall up. Superman will be in it, it

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will be Superman's story. It's unexpected, but it's not per

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se a Superman two. And he did confirm that's not

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World's Finest. So because we kind of talked about before,

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it's like a Batman Superman team up that's not happening,

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which I think is good because that's way too similar

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even if they're not fighting. He did say, which I

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loved this, that Brave in the Bowl will probably won't

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release the same as the Batman. I love that, he said, probably, uh,

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in the right direction, and then the interviewer asked him,

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if you want one ad director to direct in DCU,

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who you want to He pauses for a bit, and

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you know Matt reason if he's all he realizes, no, no,

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in the DCU. Now, I'm just saying this because it's

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you know, it's more for fun, because Maggie did ask

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think the Batman two is I think that's happening. We're good.

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and it's like, I know James guns fucking line all

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this Batman thing, but I can't prove it. And it's

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does this sure feel like a guy that you if

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he talks about how Matt Reeves made some poppy stuff

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don't get me wrong, these things that James been saying

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is true. Matt Reeves is a top tier director, Like

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I think he like the Batman there that's in its

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own shrasphere with Dark Knight and Logan the first joke

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where it's like that's a different tier combook movie. But

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it's just like even then, like oh, who would you

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go on the DCO Matt Reeves and I just I

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feel like it's like it's like if Passing and Matt

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Reeves aren't in the DCU. They are, but like they

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don't even know it yet. I don't. I still think

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what my theory here is because the weird thing is

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brain Ball. They talk about it, but they don't talk

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about any Muschetti, they don't talk about the writer on that,

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they don't talk about specifics about the movie. Just yeah,

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it's happening. I still feel like what Gun is hoping

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that he's going to say all this side stuff. Lat

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Matt make Batman two and he's read the script, so

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I bet in that script nothing and I bet you

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nothing says anywise why it couldn't be connected to the DCU,

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and I think after that, once Matt's gone through a

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press tour James Gun and work with him, and James

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know what, this is great experience, and I like, James Gunn,

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you know what, maybe we could do that. That's why

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I just wonder if he's just like gun is just

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hoping that he might change his mind, and I I

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just it's just like, you know again, he always clarifies,

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and I know people always bring up, oh, you can't

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do this. They said, Batman has his son. Guess what

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if fucking Kevin fid be like, you know what, we're

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changing king uh before an then three, James Gunn, you

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just like, you know what we actually talked about. We

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don't need Batman have a son yet. We're just gonna

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go this rout for now and he'll get a son eventually.

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Like people act like these people owe us anything or

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what they say is like inc in fucking stone. They

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could change on a dime on a dime, They just like,

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you know what. Nah, Like Matt Reeves came to and said,

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I want to be in DCU and we're good. Like

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people just say, oh they always said that people things

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change all the time. Gun said things that changed all

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the time. So I like that the Batman two is

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head in the right director. That's great. I like I said,

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I think it's a great idea that no matter what,

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you have too many BBS comparisons of his sequel features Batman.

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I don't know what that. I'm excited to hear what

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Superman two is or the movie with Superman. He says, unexpected.

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I really have no ideas. I've seen theories and nothing

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that I've jumped out. I was like, Oh, that's the

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one I know people have thrown out, like the Superman

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Supergirl team up, But like, I think that's also too

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soon as well, too, Like that just feels like that's

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down the line. What do you mean, oh, Superman a

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Peacemaker team up in a movie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is not the big central character that's gonna be.

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Is that what you're talking about? The central character?

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Speaker 1: No, imagine if it's Rob Passon's Batman. He's like, oh, yeah,

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you've seen them before. You know, Batteries doesn't even know yet,

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but no, so, uh yeah, those are the Batman Updates's

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nothing schmanni feeling right now you get you never get

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mentioned Superman hundred. So I just said to you had

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all these interviews and they asked with a Batman. He

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says the words brave and Bold, and he says the

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Batman two and Matt Reeves, but he never talks about

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the guy that announced a direct Brain Bold one hundredercent

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guarantee you any machete not so Footman, and he directed

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it chapter one, chapter two. He directed the Flash. I

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don't know if you recall this. The same opening night

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of the Flash, they announced that he would be directing

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bradon the Bolt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, now that's remember that.

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Speaker 1: In this whole press tour, he's not once talked about

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mache doing that movie. He's talking about Reeves, Doom Batman.

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And you would think, you would think that the guy

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who's doing your Batman for your universe in the DCU,

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the guy who's gonna partner.

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Speaker 2: With Corns stroking him yeah, every and he ain't, Yeah

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he ain't. That's sus. That's like, you know, he always

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wants Matt Reeves, but he's settled for Andy. And he

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just keeps talking about how he's a silver medal and

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how he just wishes he had made before.

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Speaker 1: Kirk goes, that's one hundred percent that analogy is true,

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Kirk what he said about the white situation. But and

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Mike is on hundre percent true here, and he's not

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sent on that set unless he forgot his jacket there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing I get the most out of

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this whole spiel about Batman is like Batman too, Okay,

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we're I that unicorn. I feel like it might be real.

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I feel like I'm chasing Moby Dick and I got

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my arm.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. Not long I've been waiting for this. Who

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am I about to make our name for myself?

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Speaker 3: Heah?

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Speaker 1: I like, I don't even have a good video to play.

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Speaker 2: But like when you're talking about Blade and I'm like,

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come on, man, like, don't play me, don't fucking bullshit

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a bullshitter. But then I hear, you know, James Gunn

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talking about Batman too, and I'm all the videos you

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just played, so.

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Speaker 1: I just as sure as a rock is covered in

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chills already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh fuck yeah yeah. And then I don't know,

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just the the tiptoeing around the names.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't get a lot out of that.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately scuttle, but you know nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think James Gunn more so

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than Foggy for sure. Like he's he's a good like

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the conductor of of like like like when he's doing interviews,

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I feel like he's like he has like a strategy

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of like hey, how I'm gonna pizzazz. It's like when

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I'm telling my thoughts on something and I'm just throwing

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some some ridiculous words just get some some fancy reactions

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out of people. I feel like he has that somewhat

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so like tiptoe around the matt Reeves name. I think

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he gets a kick out of that. And yeah, I

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don't know, here's what matt Reeves thinks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to have you never seen how

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quickly just quickly bring it up? Have you ever seen

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that play in that video?

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Speaker 4: And he's like interesting, no, no, not no, not definitely

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ask him about like mister right, yeah, some for interviewer

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they're like, how would you like, mister Freeze, how do

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we not have that as a video a drug about

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to find out video about to find out what this

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setup is?

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Speaker 1: Because yeah, it's just like mister Freeze in your movies,

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like if you did this, like if we were kind

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of oh interesting, he's he's trying to fucking oh my god,

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hang on here, I'm gonna get it. I don't have

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to set up for who asked him with the origin

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of it, but like I have the I had the

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clip of when he was like recently asked hay On.

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This is him recently being asked in the DCU and

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Batman being there. He's just such a deer in the

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head lights. And I tell you it's like a no it.

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Speaker 5: Same for Batman Part two. Yeah, you want the script

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to be in a good place, of course, So are

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you happy with the progress you're making and the release

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date you have?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely this year we're gonna be shooting, and I'm very

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excited about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's taken.

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Speaker 3: Longer than I would have wanted, but also I'm super

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excited about what we're doing. So I really can't wait

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to show that.

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Speaker 5: Everybody house off. I has have been to figure out

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your main villain. There have been a lot of rumors lately.

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I've heard never Freeze as a potential villain. Answer anybody,

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by now you've determined who the bad guy, Yes, of course,

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or we'd really be in trouble. Is it going to

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be surprising to the audience?

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Speaker 3: Help? So the story is a continuation in a certain

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way and completely different in another, and it's going to

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show different sides of Rob. I mean, I think it's

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gonna be really exciting.

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Speaker 5: I spoke to James Gunn recently and I asked him,

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you know, obviously he talked about, you know, letting you

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do your Reeves verse on the phone, and I told

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ask him, have you contemplated recently integrating Rob into the

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DCU and he read they talked.

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Speaker 1: About it, but you talked about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: What's your attitude about that at this point?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it really comes down to whether

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or not it makes sense. And you know, I think

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what's been great is it was really a kind of

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a story that I wanted to tell, you know, revoling

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the epic crime soog and all of that, which.

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Speaker 1: Is chief prosed for to me to be.

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Speaker 3: Able to play that out. And you know, James and

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Peter have been really really great about that, and they're

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letting us do that, and you know what the future brings.

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I can't really tell you, I have no idea right

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now except that my head is down now about getting

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the Batman Part two shooting and to make it something

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really really special, which of course is the most important.

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Speaker 1: He was confident, Oh to you, Batman, I don't know. Well,

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you know, we'll have to see where that goes.

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Speaker 5: Started off o' the release state chance you want?

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Speaker 2: It's a short He talk so fast it almost seems

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like the whole interview is like sped up, but like, oh,

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here we go here.

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Speaker 6: Ann, I was at.

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Speaker 1: What a wildcast.

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Speaker 3: James and Peter have been really really great about that,

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and they're letting us do that, and you know what

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the future brings.

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Speaker 1: I can't really tell you.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea right now except that my head

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is down now about getting the Batman Part two shooting

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and to make it something really really special, which of

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course is the most important thing.

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Speaker 5: And if they decide, like we really want Rob to

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be r DCU Batman.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We you know, we'll have to see

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where that goes. Started off the state chance. You know

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what that swelled like?

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Speaker 6: You know that adds just having fun man making movies,

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big adventure, having a great time.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna click it.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna click. It's like a speed version of that,

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like he's talking so fast, but like the actual substance of.

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Speaker 6: The we're just having fun man making movies big adventure.

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Speaker 1: Because he's so specific, but like, yeah, it's gonna challenge

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for all this and if they do decide like yeah,

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the future, man, I don't really know right now.

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Speaker 5: I really.

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Speaker 1: That's where it's like, well, we're fun. They've definitely I

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just thought they bring it up every time. So all right,

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our last few notes here. Okay, this last at break

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for your bank. Okay, last notes quick fire off your