Speaker 1: And we're back. So James gonna gave this interview on Friday,
so just some update. It's gonna round them up. I think, yeah,
I got all the Marvel stuff there. Oh well, actually
I'll answer this question, uh first from Magic or Mike,
because this is gonna kind of transition us. If I
if you had to guess five years from now, do
you think Marvel will still be on top worll DCU
take the top spot in reverse of how things were
a decade ago. Because I don't really have this anywhere
I can put this in this and know as far
as Superman had a fifty three drop off for the
second week, so very good. That's where you want to be.
I think it's like the fifth best DC one. So again,
very it made like sixty million, it's already at four
hundred million, so it looks like five hundred million is
a lock. It's a question of if you can get
to six hundred and past that. But really really good
hold domestically. Obviously, they got four coming out this weekend,
which is a very crossover audience. So we'll see what
happens in the remaining weeks. And uh yeah, there's another
edition that's gonna add there. But yeah, it's been it's
been interesting to watch it because it's been having good numbers,
but it's weird where the first weekend I just compare
it to like the Batman because that's a more recently
big one. The Batman beat it, and then during the
weekday Superman, I think, like every day beat the Batman's numbers,
but then the weekend, same thing. The Batman's a little
better second weekend, so it's I thought the director was
going but even then, it had the biggest Tuesday of
twenty twenty five, had the biggest Wednesday of twenty twenty five,
had the biggest non holiday Monday of twenty twenty five.
So it's been doing good. It's just the problem is
still the international numbers are not super high, and that's
kind of the that's kind of the anchor on it
right now.
Speaker 2: So well, it's like summertime too, so do they like
Mattineze like during the.
Speaker 1: Week Tuesday Wednesday, Yeah, those are like the cheap days
in America. We just get Tuesday, but they got those days.
So but yeah, so it's having a really good hold.
So we talked about last week, So now it's gonna
be how to do after the same week as at
four and then the week after a four, but really
good hold that is what they want. I think it's
a good foundation, but that's the big debate is also
my gast this question, and I'm thinking for bringing up
was we talked about this that DC's not won since
two thousand and eight, So I think it kind of
combines that there there is a chance they could beat
F four. F four is tracking good right now, but
we'll have to see and the international will be better.
So I think it's gonna be very close with F
four and DC or with Superman. But yeah, where do
you feel in five years from rest, Well, that's two
thousand and thirty, two and thirty, who's the top dogs?
Marvel made a comeback with the New Era and the
six one seven, or its DC running game with the
DCU now the fresh BOWLD new toy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really know. I think the ball is
in the hands of the gunners over in the DC realm.
I just think, like great start with Superman. Uh, maybe
there's some fatigue on the Marvel side of what's been
going on there. But again, transporting us to the future
of five years, I think like as long as they
have the same quality of what like I can only
judge the one Superman product checked, but like if it's
to that level, I think that's not the easiest comparison.
Makes like that is a massive movie. Uh you know
James gun himself was was the man creating that one, but.
Speaker 1: Fifteen mil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well deserved, he worked his ass off. I don't
much Jennifer Holland God for that for fifty fifteen. Yeah.
So I like, like, unless the next project is like
a big hit on the hype scale, I think it's
going to be in DC's hands just because they're already
going to be like, well on their way and then
in that like we're gonna be pretty early on with
the new relabeling or new era I guess six point
seven of the Marble side. It's so so tough to say, though,
because I feel like one string of like bad movies
can just really alter the perception of and just hype,
which happened already you right, yeah, yeah, exactly, like string of.
Speaker 1: Shows and movie like maybe not in a row, but
there was enough of them that I think people are yeah, not.
Speaker 2: As good as you know, yeah, one hundred percent. So
I I it's tough. I never want to, you know,
bet against five gee, but uh, I think I'm gonna
go DC.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go Marvel. I think, yeah. I think
if you ask me in ten years, that's a bit trickier.
And DC. I think in ten years DC will be there.
I think the problem with Marvel and the good thing
for them is they have a lot of history, so
they always have just like they did this time, like
I get a downy jail free card, like they always
have people like, same thing. If they have Hugh Jackman
stick around or even five years from now. Let's say
they don't. And I don't believe this right, but let's
say for some reason Deadpool is not in any Secret
Wars dooms. Let's just say they go, ah, you know what,
it's too jokey. We want this to be serious. It
just is not working. You can't do it here. You
tell me they announce all Deadpool four in two thousand whatever,
you know, twenty nine, twenty eight. It's gonna make money.
And that's the problem. Where with the d you can't
do that yet. If you don't get me wrong, I
think one day, if the DCU is successful, you could
be a situation where oh yeah, Henry Cal's back at
Superman like a told maguire thing, right, But you can't
do that yet. And I even think like the next
five years is still too quick. So I've said this before,
so I'm just repeating. So I apologize for you know,
old time listeners, but new listeners. The Marvel has a
chance to make people maybe not entirely fall in love
with them. But you know, and this is this is
not a specific before sbubs hits me, this is not
a specific scenario. But I'm just saying like, if you
were in a relationship and let's say you got cheated
on and you get back to together that person they
give you all these reasons they're perfect. That'd be Marvel's
Spider Man, Doom say and Secret Wars where they got
to be great where it's like, you know what, they
stepped out for a little bit, but they came back
and they're good. Where to me, if you get back
with that person Marvel and they cheat again, meaning like
one of those three big movies suck, then you're like,
you know what, probably done with the scenario. And that's
the thing where I I'm saying the Marble will still
be on top because I don't think they're gonna let
Spider Man dooms their Secret Wars be Rise of Skywalker bad.
In my opinion, I don't think they'll let that happen.
I think smaller projects, the TV shows some other stuff
that's different, but the top tier brands, if that happens,
then then you could make a case that Figy maybe
needs to swap out and you need some new fresh
blood in there, because that's like you can't stumble those.
And I'm not saying it has to be as good
as infinny War Endgame, but I don't think it can
be any less than like Age of Ultron, you know,
like you gotta be I think you gotta be above
that bar. So I think they will hit on that
and they will recover. And like I said, you got
Doomsday next year, Secret Wars a year after you got
X Men, that's three years already, and then the next
two years after you got new stuff off. X Men's
a hit boom. If F four is a big hit,
you got a sequel in there. So I think they
still have some heavy hitters to play with where DC
is still gonna be establishing their stuff they're still getting
their first Wonder Woman, Like we're not gonna get Wonder
Woman at least TI twenty twenty seven, and that's two
years from now, right, Like that's the earliest. So that's
where it's like they're still in the early days, but
ten years from now, I could see DC taking it.
So the reason why I go DC.
Speaker 2: And even though it is earlier, on to your point,
like I'm still just thinking back to like when we
got Wonder Woman and like her origin, like that was
a billion dollar movie, and then we got Aquaman his
origin that was a billion dollar movie.
Speaker 1: Also, like wonder I'll stop you there. You've said this
odd many casts or the Woman is not a billion
dollar movie. I've always meant to tell you this. Say
that again when I've listened to casts and you say that,
wonder and because sometimes you've been on cast with Dylan
who doesn't know, Like, yeah, true, Wonder Woman is not
a billion dollar movie. The only billion dollar and it's
like the only billion dollar movie the DCU was Aquaman.
It's that Joker and the Two Dark Knights.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you I will probably say Wonder Woman was
a billion dollar movie. You will at some point in
the future.
Speaker 1: It was a massive hit. I'm glad, but you've said
that many times, and my mother can find.
Speaker 2: Wonder Woman was a billion dollar movie. That's what I
got to start saying. Okay, they come out hot, so
I'm hoping the same sometimes yeah, they're like then, I
never watched it. But when you're talking about Marvel hot
has has heavy hitters that they can always pull from.
Of course I just googled Terrence Howard because I had to,
because why wouldn't I And I had this realization. She said, No,
Marvel has heavy hitters in the in the week, always
pull from.
Speaker 1: Why did you He's not He's my heavy hitter.
Speaker 2: Did you know that Terrence Howard was buried four times
to three different women, so he married the same woman twice.
They were married from nineteen eighty nine to two thousand
and three, divorce, and then married again two thousand and five,
two thousand and seven, Like they gave it a shot
both times, but shuts out to Terrence Howard and his
crazy uh ideals or whatever he's got going on, moving
on that shot the fuck.
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: We're already long enough, we haven't gotten the DC fortune.
And you're like, you me shit, are already look enough.
You went on like your fucking life story.
Speaker 2: Like twenty minutes ago, you told me about like three
different relationships. I didn't even hear about this.
Speaker 1: Kirkly every time Transter some of us personally. So James
was talking about Batman. So we're gonna we got two
cutouts here, We're gonna go half, not even half now
twenty minutes Batman updates, Uh, he said that. He did confirm,
So it's kind of a twofer because we talked about, uh,
the Superman fall up. Superman will be in it, it
will be Superman's story. It's unexpected, but it's not per
se a Superman two. And he did confirm that's not
World's Finest. So because we kind of talked about before,
it's like a Batman Superman team up that's not happening,
which I think is good because that's way too similar
to Man of Steel to BBS think it's good yet
even if they're not fighting. He did say, which I
loved this, that Brave in the Bowl will probably won't
release the same as the Batman. I love that, he said, probably, uh,
and then he said the Batman too. Script his head
in the right direction, and then the interviewer asked him,
if you want one ad director to direct in DCU,
who you want to He pauses for a bit, and
you know Matt reason if he's all he realizes, no, no,
in the DCU. Now, I'm just saying this because it's
you know, it's more for fun, because Maggie did ask
me the discord. How much I believe it. I do
think the Batman two is I think that's happening. We're good.
I've always said Batman three, that's a different story. I
love all the memes of it's just doakes from Dexter,
and it's like, I know James guns fucking line all
this Batman thing, but I can't prove it. And it's
just like man, not a specific light situation, but just like,
does this sure feel like a guy that you if
you're at work, Like, oh, I really love Matt, I
really I'd like to go. I'd like to date Matt.
And Matt doesn't know it, but everyone else at work
knows it. And James Gunn's that guy. That's what this
feels like all the time. He brings up. In another interviews,
he talks about how Matt Reeves made some poppy stuff
that's like just like is better than everybody else. And
don't get me wrong, these things that James been saying
is true. Matt Reeves is a top tier director, Like
I think he like the Batman there that's in its
own shrasphere with Dark Knight and Logan the first joke
where it's like that's a different tier combook movie. But
it's just like even then, like oh, who would you
go on the DCO Matt Reeves and I just I
feel like it's like it's like if Passing and Matt
Reeves aren't in the DCU. They are, but like they
don't even know it yet. I don't. I still think
what my theory here is because the weird thing is
brain Ball. They talk about it, but they don't talk
about any Muschetti, they don't talk about the writer on that,
they don't talk about specifics about the movie. Just yeah,
it's happening. I still feel like what Gun is hoping
that he's going to say all this side stuff. Lat
Matt make Batman two and he's read the script, so
I bet in that script nothing and I bet you
nothing says anywise why it couldn't be connected to the DCU,
and I think after that, once Matt's gone through a
press tour James Gun and work with him, and James
Gun's been his boss per se, and he's like, you
know what, this is great experience, and I like, James Gunn,
you know what, maybe we could do that. That's why
I just wonder if he's just like gun is just
hoping that he might change his mind, and I I
just it's just like, you know again, he always clarifies,
and I know people always bring up, oh, you can't
do this. They said, Batman has his son. Guess what
if fucking Kevin fid be like, you know what, we're
changing king uh before an then three, James Gunn, you
just like, you know what we actually talked about. We
don't need Batman have a son yet. We're just gonna
go this rout for now and he'll get a son eventually.
Like people act like these people owe us anything or
what they say is like inc in fucking stone. They
could change on a dime on a dime, They just like,
you know what. Nah, Like Matt Reeves came to and said,
I want to be in DCU and we're good. Like
people just say, oh they always said that people things
change all the time. Gun said things that changed all
the time. So I like that the Batman two is
head in the right director. That's great. I like I said,
I think it's a great idea that no matter what,
I don't think Superman two should have a Batman because
you have too many BBS comparisons of his sequel features Batman.
I don't know what that. I'm excited to hear what
Superman two is or the movie with Superman. He says, unexpected.
I really have no ideas. I've seen theories and nothing
that I've jumped out. I was like, Oh, that's the
one I know people have thrown out, like the Superman
Supergirl team up, But like, I think that's also too
soon as well, too, Like that just feels like that's
down the line. What do you mean, oh, Superman a
Peacemaker team up in a movie?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is not the big central character that's gonna be.
Is that what you're talking about? The central character?
Speaker 1: No, imagine if it's Rob Passon's Batman. He's like, oh, yeah,
you've seen them before. You know, Batteries doesn't even know yet,
but no, so, uh yeah, those are the Batman Updates's
nothing schmanni feeling right now you get you never get
mentioned Superman hundred. So I just said to you had
all these interviews and they asked with a Batman. He
says the words brave and Bold, and he says the
Batman two and Matt Reeves, but he never talks about
the guy that announced a direct Brain Bold one hundredercent
guarantee you any machete not so Footman, and he directed
it chapter one, chapter two. He directed the Flash. I
don't know if you recall this. The same opening night
of the Flash, they announced that he would be directing
bradon the Bolt.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, now that's remember that.
Speaker 1: In this whole press tour, he's not once talked about
mache doing that movie. He's talking about Reeves, Doom Batman.
And you would think, you would think that the guy
who's doing your Batman for your universe in the DCU,
the guy who's gonna partner.
Speaker 2: With Corns stroking him yeah, every and he ain't, Yeah
he ain't. That's sus. That's like, you know, he always
wants Matt Reeves, but he's settled for Andy. And he
just keeps talking about how he's a silver medal and
how he just wishes he had made before.
Speaker 1: Kirk goes, that's one hundred percent that analogy is true,
Kirk what he said about the white situation. But and
Mike is on hundre percent true here, and he's not
sent on that set unless he forgot his jacket there.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing I get the most out of
this whole spiel about Batman is like Batman too, Okay,
we're I that unicorn. I feel like it might be real.
I feel like I'm chasing Moby Dick and I got
my arm.
Speaker 1: It's funny. Not long I've been waiting for this. Who
am I about to make our name for myself?
Speaker 3: Heah?
Speaker 1: I like, I don't even have a good video to play.
Speaker 2: But like when you're talking about Blade and I'm like,
come on, man, like, don't play me, don't fucking bullshit
a bullshitter. But then I hear, you know, James Gunn
talking about Batman too, and I'm all the videos you
just played, so.
Speaker 1: I just as sure as a rock is covered in
chills already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh fuck yeah yeah. And then I don't know,
just the the tiptoeing around the names.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't get a lot out of that.
Speaker 1: Fortunately scuttle, but you know nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think James Gunn more so
than Foggy for sure. Like he's he's a good like
the conductor of of like like like when he's doing interviews,
I feel like he's like he has like a strategy
of like hey, how I'm gonna pizzazz. It's like when
I'm telling my thoughts on something and I'm just throwing
some some ridiculous words just get some some fancy reactions
out of people. I feel like he has that somewhat
so like tiptoe around the matt Reeves name. I think
he gets a kick out of that. And yeah, I
don't know, here's what matt Reeves thinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to have you never seen how
quickly just quickly bring it up? Have you ever seen
that play in that video?
Speaker 4: And he's like interesting, no, no, not no, not definitely
ask him about like mister right, yeah, some for interviewer
they're like, how would you like, mister Freeze, how do
we not have that as a video a drug about
to find out video about to find out what this
setup is?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, it's just like mister Freeze in your movies,
like if you did this, like if we were kind
of oh interesting, he's he's trying to fucking oh my god,
hang on here, I'm gonna get it. I don't have
to set up for who asked him with the origin
of it, but like I have the I had the
clip of when he was like recently asked hay On.
This is him recently being asked in the DCU and
Batman being there. He's just such a deer in the
head lights. And I tell you it's like a no it.
Speaker 5: Same for Batman Part two. Yeah, you want the script
to be in a good place, of course, So are
you happy with the progress you're making and the release
date you have?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Absolutely this year we're gonna be shooting, and I'm very
excited about it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's taken.
Speaker 3: Longer than I would have wanted, but also I'm super
excited about what we're doing. So I really can't wait
to show that.
Speaker 5: Everybody house off. I has have been to figure out
your main villain. There have been a lot of rumors lately.
I've heard never Freeze as a potential villain. Answer anybody,
by now you've determined who the bad guy, Yes, of course,
or we'd really be in trouble. Is it going to
be surprising to the audience?
Speaker 3: Help? So the story is a continuation in a certain
way and completely different in another, and it's going to
show different sides of Rob. I mean, I think it's
gonna be really exciting.
Speaker 5: I spoke to James Gunn recently and I asked him,
you know, obviously he talked about, you know, letting you
do your Reeves verse on the phone, and I told
ask him, have you contemplated recently integrating Rob into the
DCU and he read they talked.
Speaker 1: About it, but you talked about it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: What's your attitude about that at this point?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it really comes down to whether
or not it makes sense. And you know, I think
what's been great is it was really a kind of
a story that I wanted to tell, you know, revoling
the epic crime soog and all of that, which.
Speaker 1: Is chief prosed for to me to be.
Speaker 3: Able to play that out. And you know, James and
Peter have been really really great about that, and they're
letting us do that, and you know what the future brings.
I can't really tell you, I have no idea right
now except that my head is down now about getting
the Batman Part two shooting and to make it something
really really special, which of course is the most important.
Speaker 1: He was confident, Oh to you, Batman, I don't know. Well,
you know, we'll have to see where that goes.
Speaker 5: Started off o' the release state chance you want?
Speaker 2: It's a short He talk so fast it almost seems
like the whole interview is like sped up, but like, oh,
here we go here.
Speaker 6: Ann, I was at.
Speaker 1: What a wildcast.
Speaker 3: James and Peter have been really really great about that,
and they're letting us do that, and you know what
the future brings.
Speaker 1: I can't really tell you.
Speaker 3: I have no idea right now except that my head
is down now about getting the Batman Part two shooting
and to make it something really really special, which of
course is the most important thing.
Speaker 5: And if they decide, like we really want Rob to
be r DCU Batman.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We you know, we'll have to see
where that goes. Started off the state chance. You know
what that swelled like?
Speaker 6: You know that adds just having fun man making movies,
big adventure, having a great time.
Speaker 1: I was gonna click it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna click. It's like a speed version of that,
like he's talking so fast, but like the actual substance of.
Speaker 6: The we're just having fun man making movies big adventure.
Speaker 1: Because he's so specific, but like, yeah, it's gonna challenge
for all this and if they do decide like yeah,
the future, man, I don't really know right now.
Speaker 5: I really.
Speaker 1: That's where it's like, well, we're fun. They've definitely I
just thought they bring it up every time. So all right,
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