WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.240 The Ruger SFAAR is one of the trim is threeh 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:07.200 eight modern sporting rifles available more power but lighter in 3 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:10.000 the field and range. See how light it is at 4 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:11.480 Ruger dot com. 5 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:15.679 Upgrade your optic with Hollisen, where innovation meets precision. With 6 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:19.320 fifty thousand hours of battery life, shake awake technology and 7 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:21.960 a solar failsafe, your optic is always ready when you 8 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:37.520 are Hollosen confidence in every shot. 9 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.799 He was the first and he's still the best. For 10 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.280 thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on 11 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:53.200 all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, Personal protection, deep 12 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:59.960 part of it. Paul, Tom talk gun. Now, here's Tom. 13 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.679 Oh boy, we're gonna have some fun two days. Addle up, 14 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.079 buckle up. I think it's gonna be good. We're gonna 15 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:13.680 talk about guns and AMMO and scopes and reloading and mistakes. 16 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:17.079 May Oh yeah, I made a mistake. I did one 17 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:22.159 of those wrong AMMO right gun things. Nobody got hurt. 18 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:24.359 But I'll tell you about that. It's one of those hmm. 19 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.519 Didn't know about that one, and I learned something I 20 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.400 never knew. We'll have a little bit about that as 21 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:32.760 to go along sometime today. We'll also be talking with 22 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:37.599 an expert about self defense with guns. Once again, why 23 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.640 we worry about the wrong thing? Maybe another way to 24 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:45.400 say is what should we be focusing on? And as 25 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:49.159 much as cool guns and neat accessories are a lot 26 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.079 of fun, that may not be what we need to 27 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:54.439 be thinking about. Where we're talking about a life saving device, 28 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.239 we'll have more about that as we go along. Well, also, 29 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:58.840 we got a lot of things to talk about. And 30 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:01.480 of course you're we love to get you to call in, 31 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:03.760 tell us what have you been shooting? Tell me about 32 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:06.079 an experience you had at the range or maybe the 33 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:10.080 gun store, whatever, it doesn't matter, you know. Look, here's 34 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.400 the deal. All we're doing is just swapping stories. It's 35 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:18.039 just like sitting around the digital campfire and we're having 36 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:21.240 some fun telling stories. And you'll tell a few, I'll 37 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.960 tell a few, and it's up to everybody else to 38 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.840 figure out which ones are true and which ones are not. 39 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.360 There you go, It is vitally important, and look, we're 40 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.120 going to talk about hardwarees that go along, but it 41 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:33.919 is vitally important for us to stay up with what's 42 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:39.479 going on in the battle to preserve and basically restore 43 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.080 the Second Amendment. We have lost a lot of the 44 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.840 real world aspects of Second Amendment. We're getting some of 45 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:49.800 them back. We made some progress, but man, it is 46 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.479 frustrating and it is slow, and it's like crawling up. 47 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.439 He'll try to pull a rock at the same time. 48 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:56.879 One of the guys at the forefront of that joins 49 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:01.439 us right now. Bill Sack is the director of legal 50 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:04.479 operations for the Second Amendment Foundation. Bill, you've been doing 51 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:06.560 just a long time. Thanks for joining us. 52 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:08.360 Hey, Tom, good to be here. 53 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:11.879 You bet okay, Well, you hear what I say. It's 54 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.919 like it's different when you're in I don't know, maybe 55 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:18.319 it isn't. I'm assuming it's different when you're in the 56 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.319 middle of it, because a lot of us out here 57 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:22.719 just get frustrated. We look at all these cases and going, 58 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.199 why can't we just win the big one and make 59 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:27.400 this thing go away? It seems so simple to us, 60 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.840 and yet you're faced with having fifty or sixty suits 61 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.039 going at a time and making you know, two steps forward, 62 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:34.840 one step back. 63 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.000 Yeah, that is the nature of the thing. Although you know, 64 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.599 I think it's important to remember that. Looking just at 65 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.159 like the media mark of history here, you know, like 66 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.280 where we've come in the last fifteen years or so 67 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:52.000 is overwhelmingly positive. Like things are so good now compared 68 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.199 to how they were, and by all means, our work 69 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:56.960 is not at all done. But you know, when we 70 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.719 look at the fact that we have permitless and I 71 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:04.439 think we're up to thirty some odd states now, you know, 72 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:08.400 we we have the Heller Decision guaranteeing the individual right 73 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:11.520 to possess firearms in the home. We have the Brewined 74 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:15.560 Decision talking about and confirming our right to carry outside. 75 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:15.680 Of the home. 76 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.199 You know, things are better now than they have been 77 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:21.439 in a long time. So while there's plenty of work 78 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:23.639 yet to be done, and you're right, we've got I 79 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:26.120 think we're up to fifty six or fifty seven cases now, 80 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.680 which we can talk about a lot of work has 81 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:30.920 to be done, but Boyer, things going in the right 82 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.639 direction in large part, and I think it's important to 83 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:39.240 keep people's morale high because things are going. Okay, we're 84 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:41.120 not done, but things aren't going terribly. 85 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:45.480 No, you're exactly, you're right. I remember back, yeah, way 86 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.000 way way back, the nineteen sixty eight Gun Control Act, 87 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.160 which was the DoD Bill. I remember hearing about that 88 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:53.680 when I was in high school. I debated it in 89 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.560 high school, and after it was passed, and then we 90 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:59.319 got more and I kept thinking, you know, this, this 91 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:01.519 could be the end the Second Endment. It's on a 92 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:04.319 downhill slide. It was not looking good back then, and 93 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:07.839 then even as much as twenty years ago, it was 94 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.079 not looking great at all. So you're right, we've made 95 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.639 some real advancements, but there's just some knuckleheaded decisions being 96 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.560 made and a lot of anti gun activism at a 97 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.639 state level. Is that fair? Yeah? 98 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:23.319 Absolutely. 99 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:26.439 I mean we've got you know, like a six or 100 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.160 seven states, give or take that i'd like to call, 101 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:34.040 you know, the the bastion of bad ideas where these 102 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.199 things brew and then spread to their friends, you know, 103 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.279 and we can all name them, you know, New Jersey, 104 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:45.120 in Massachusetts and California and Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland. You know, 105 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.199 there is a tendency amongst the states where there's you know, 106 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:53.399 not a lot of political competition to do whatever it 107 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.680 is that they want to do. And anytime they perceive 108 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.839 that there's been a win on behalf of the Second Amendment, 109 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:02.519 you know, with the help of a whole lot of 110 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:06.000 other anti gun groups, they're always interested in coming up 111 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:08.720 with a new novel approach to try to snack back 112 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.879 some of the rights that we just restored, so that 113 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.480 that ain't going to change anytime soon. It's a good 114 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:16.040 job security for me, but. 115 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.120 I wish it weren't. 116 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:19.839 All right, let me ask you about one that just 117 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:22.000 popped up. I was going to ask you about it anyway, 118 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.000 but then we got this curve thrown at us this 119 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:29.800 past week. The Second Amendment Foundation at FBC sued and 120 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:32.360 the court said, okay, yeah, if you're a member of 121 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:36.079 these organizations, you can now carry in post offices because 122 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.040 we'll overturn this idea that you can't carry in post offices. 123 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.120 And then we got another decision this week from yet 124 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.759 another circuit court that says, Nope, nope, that's completely constitutional 125 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.319 for us to ban you taking a gun into a 126 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:52.279 post office. Where are we now with that? 127 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:54.160 Sure? 128 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:56.040 So, I think you did a really good job of 129 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:00.240 recapping where we're at. So in our case with our 130 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.800 partner in the case, fire Arms Policy Coalition, So that 131 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.160 case is actually called fpcv. Bonding. That's the case out 132 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:10.399 of the Northern District of Texas, and in that case, 133 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:16.120 the district court struck down the law and associated regulation 134 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.240 that bans carry of firearms in your average post office. 135 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.279 And so what I mean by average post office is 136 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:27.279 post offices that don't otherwise ban carry for a secondary reason. 137 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.279 And what I mean by that is, for example, post 138 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:32.639 offices that are like on a military base or something. 139 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:37.399 So the basic ban on carrying in a post office 140 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.279 or on post office property. And that's also important because 141 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.759 the ban also includes the parking lot. As soon as 142 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.439 you hit the boxing lot, you know, taking your gun 143 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:47.720 out of your waist and throwing it in the safe 144 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.879 in your center console, you're still in violation of the law. 145 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:57.600 This injunction struck down that ban as unconstitutional. Again, this 146 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.759 was at a district court in Texas, and then there 147 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.959 was a question back and forth about what the scope 148 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.399 of that injunction was, who was going to be protected 149 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.279 by it, and there was some additional briefing In just 150 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:14.079 this past week. Joe O'Connor in the Northern District did 151 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.480 the right thing, or so we think, and said that 152 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:21.439 the injunction covers all SAFF and FPC members, both those 153 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.759 that are current and any future members. So any member 154 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.199 that signs up today can be covered by that injunction, 155 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.519 and that injunction not only covers current and future members, 156 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.480 but it's not restricted geographically, so it covers members all 157 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.440 over the country. So that was definitely a great outcome 158 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.440 that we were really excited about. Now there was a 159 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.960 district court I believe in Connecticut that upheld the law 160 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:52.320 since then, which has the potential, although I saw some 161 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.159 misreporting on this in a couple places, it has the 162 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.639 potential to create what's called a circuit split, where we 163 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:03.679 have different federal circuit courts coming to different conclusions as 164 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:06.720 to the state of federal law. We're not there yet 165 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:10.480 because we're still waiting on the circuit courts to rule 166 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.639 on this case. You know, the ten case is going 167 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.720 to go to the Fifth Circuit and the Connecticut case 168 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.559 presumably goes to the second Circuit, assuming it's appealed, and 169 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.360 so once those circuits rule on it is possible that 170 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:25.759 we get a circuit split and then the Supreme courtal 171 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:28.720 step in and for all what's going on? 172 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:31.600 But is there a way to explain it to us 173 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.159 who are not lawyers? What we can do now? As 174 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:38.360 a member of Segramenment Foundation, Can I or maybe the 175 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:41.720 real question is should I carry into a post office 176 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:43.639 or do I really want to be fighting a legal 177 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.679 battle that's still up in the air and maybe not decided. 178 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:50.320 Great question, and we have heard this question a bunch 179 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.000 since this injunction came down. So we have to be 180 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:58.000 a little careful here because I can't give out direct 181 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.960 legal advice to the general public. I'm an attorney, but 182 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.200 I'm not your attorneys. What I'd like to tell folks, 183 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.679 So what we can do is we can give the 184 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.360 factual circumstances and then also let people know that if 185 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:14.440 they ever have any questions about what they specifically can 186 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:16.799 or can't do, they should talk to an attorney. But 187 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.360 here's here's the basics that I can tell folks. 188 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:21.320 The injunction. 189 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.200 There is a court order that says that the federal 190 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:29.080 government is prohibited from enforcing the post office carry ban 191 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.639 against you if you are a current member of Second 192 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:37.320 Amendment Foundation or Firearms Policy Coalition, presumably at the time 193 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.080 that they try to enforce it. You know, the injunction 194 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:44.320 says current or future members. Presumably the intention there is 195 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:46.080 that what they mean is that you're a member at 196 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:52.279 the time carrying your gun in the post office right now, 197 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.519 So that that is a factual statement that I can 198 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.120 tell everybody. You are covered by the current state of 199 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.000 the injunction. The way it's written injunction is in black 200 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.399 and white. It's on our website. You're free to read it. 201 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:07.360 What we don't know is, in practical effect, how the 202 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.120 government is going to handle that non enforcement. That could 203 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:14.879 look like a couple of different things. Now, could they 204 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.480 let you know, Let's say a federal law enforcement officer 205 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.200 finds you carrying a gun in a post office. 206 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:23.720 Are they going to ignore it altogether? 207 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.159 Are they going to stop you and just ask you 208 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.159 if you are a member of Second Amendment Foundation and 209 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.120 can you show us you know your your membership ID number. 210 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.639 Are they going to arrest you and prosecute you and 211 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.080 then say that as an affirmative defense you can. 212 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.080 Depend Yeah, you can defend it on the basis of 213 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:44.840 being on me. So what you're saying is be careful, 214 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.080 be circumstance, right right. 215 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.600 What we're saying is be careful, and that there are 216 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:53.399 still a lot of things that we don't know. So 217 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:56.840 we have, you know, put a bunch of questions to 218 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:00.039 thedj as to exactly how it is they plan on 219 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:04.159 handling this situation, we encourage other folks to do the 220 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:07.399 same thing. You don't contact your local representatives and ask 221 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:09.600 them to get in touch with thej on their behalf. 222 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:12.720 And you know, if we get some formal statements on 223 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.279 how they plan on doing with this, that would certainly 224 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:15.799 be helpful. 225 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:21.120 But that it's just messy, isn't it. 226 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:23.960 It's a little messy, And that's why we want to 227 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.320 be very careful because the last thing we want to 228 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.399 do is tell folks, yeah, go ahead and do this thing, 229 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.679 and then that thing lands them in at least some 230 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.600 level of aggravation or harassment by the government that they 231 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.840 don't want and we didn't want to unknowingly put them in. 232 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:42.720 So that's why I got to be a little bit careful. 233 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:44.559 And it's still a little legal. 234 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.600 One, I understand. I understand, all right, Tay, what hold 235 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:48.039 on a second, I gotta take a break. We've got 236 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:49.960 some other cases you want to talk about. And by 237 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.639 the way, I'm free to give out free legal advice 238 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:54.480 here because I'm not an attorney, so I can't be 239 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.279 just barked. So there you go. That's my position. Almost 240 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.879 stick to that. Hey, if gored to join us here, 241 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:01.840 if you called eight to six six talk gun or 242 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.960 Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk. 243 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:21.679 Precision isn't a suggestion, It's the standard. The Ruger Precision 244 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:25.360 Rifle is built for the long game, match grade accuracy, 245 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:30.000 fully adjustable chassis, and built to last a lifetime. 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It's a 284 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.559 really good example, just one of many reasons it'd be 285 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.120 advantageous for people to belong to the Second Amendment Foundation. 286 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.200 It's not expensive and it's worthwhile if you would. Can 287 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.159 you pick out maybe a couple of other cases that 288 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.720 we should be paying attention to or that you think, 289 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:25.799 you look at it and go, these could be really consequential. 290 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:31.159 Oh yeah, I mean, that's that's easy. So probably the 291 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:33.559 biggest ones that are going to affect the most people 292 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:38.039 all over the country are probably represented by the fact 293 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:41.240 that we've got five cases right now sitting at the 294 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.320 front door of the Supreme Court, and it really tackles 295 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.080 kind of the i think three of the biggest issues 296 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.080 that we're tackling kind of nationwide. So we've got two 297 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.399 assault weapons ban cases sitting before the Supreme Court seeing 298 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.320 if they're interested in finally biting on an assault weapons 299 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.279 ban case. We've got a case called Vivermontes, which is 300 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:05.599 out of Cook County, Illinois, like the Chicago area and Illinois, 301 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.039 they are assault weapons span. And then we have a 302 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.640 case called Grant v. Ravella, which is our assault weapons 303 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.039 ban case out of Connecticut. Both of those are just 304 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.920 sitting on the Justice's desks. If they choose to take 305 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.000 that case, we'd be thrilled or both for that matter. 306 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.759 We also have two cases about young adults. So young 307 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.039 adults in this country face all sorts of unconstitutional gun 308 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.880 control purely based on their age. And typically it's folks 309 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:35.519 that are between eight age eighteen and twenty because a 310 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.480 lot of gun rights, for whatever reason, they're hidden behind 311 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:41.720 like a paywall, so to speak, until you turn twenty one. 312 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.160 And that doesn't make any sense. That's not how constitutional 313 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.759 rights work. When you become a legal adult, you get 314 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:50.920 all of the rights supported to you by the Constitution, 315 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.640 if not sooner, but certainly by the time you're eighteen. 316 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.200 So we've got two cases at the Supreme Court about 317 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:01.759 that issue. We have a case called Staff the Paris 318 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:05.839 coming out of my home state of Pennsylvania. And then 319 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.920 we have another case that was called Brown v. 320 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:09.920 ATF. 321 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.960 I believe it's now called Western Virginia Citizens Defense League 322 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.759 the ATF, and that's about the young adult handgun purchase ban, 323 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.599 which is a federal law. You know, most young rights 324 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.079 or gun people that have been gun people for a 325 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:25.200 long time know that you can't go just buy a 326 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.480 handgun from a gun shop until you turn twenty one. Well, 327 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:32.559 we've got two lawsuits challenging that. One lawsuit struck it down, 328 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.759 one lawsuit upheld it. So we have a so called 329 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:38.359 circuit split there, and so we're really hopeful that the 330 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.759 Supreme Court takes that issue up because. 331 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:42.960 And Bill, I wish you had to let people know. 332 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.920 Weirdly enough, it may not be legal for an eighteen 333 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.119 year old to buy a handgun from a dator, but 334 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.240 it's perfectly legal for an eighteen year old to own 335 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.119 a handgun right absolutely. 336 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.799 So what you have is you have rights that are 337 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:00.640 differentiated by what state you live in. In some states, 338 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.839 you can buy handgun at age eighteen in a private transaction, 339 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.160 and some you can get them from an interfamilial gift. 340 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:08.799 You know, if your father wants to gift you a handgun, 341 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:11.039 they're free to do so. And then in some states, 342 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:13.359 based on state law, you can't do any of the above, 343 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.599 and so you're completely foreclosed from being able to acquire, 344 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.880 you know, the very essential firearm of self defense. As 345 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:25.079 hell are discussed that your constitutional rights guarantee you and 346 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.079 that simply can't be the case. So we're excited to 347 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:31.039 see the Supreme Court date take that up. You know, 348 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.839 we could have answers about all of these things as 349 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:39.200 soon as tomorrow. And then you know, another really exciting 350 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:41.759 series of cases that we have right now. We have 351 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.440 three cases that we're supporting right now challenging the NFA. So, 352 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:51.079 as I'm sure your readers and viewers and listeners are aware, 353 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.559 you know, the one big beautiful bill cut the tax 354 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:57.240 burden for a number of different categories of firearms under 355 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.319 the NFA from two hundred dollars to zero, and we 356 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.720 have since sued saying, well, all of the other registration hurdles, 357 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:06.799 you know, the fingerprinting and all that other nonsense is 358 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:09.599 now on constitutional as a result. So we're trying to 359 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.759 get SBRs and silencers taken out of the NFA entirely. 360 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:16.599 We've got three cases in three different federal courts challenging 361 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.839 exactly that, and we're excited about all three of those 362 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:22.920 whose We think if we can get that stuff struck down, boy, 363 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.160 it would it'd be great to have whatever barrel length 364 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:27.079 and whatever silencer you want and just go in and 365 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:29.319 buy it the way you do anything else. 366 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.000 Well, exactly, right, So, I mean, and these are just 367 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:35.000 a few other cases you have going. And one of 368 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:36.799 the things you mentioned is, you know, you work with 369 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:39.880 other gun rights groups, and I think a lot of 370 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.240 the people may not be aware or maybe they know 371 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:44.759 a little bit more about it now, is that's very 372 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.519 common to work with Fire's Policy Coalition or the NRA 373 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.759 or Gunnos of America. And so there's a lot of 374 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:54.480 interaction between the various gun rights groups, right. 375 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:56.799 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 376 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:00.279 You know, we we have found that the other gun 377 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.799 rights groups and almost overwhelmingly agree with us on a 378 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.519 lot of things. And we're all pulling in the same direction, 379 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.240 and so anytime we can help each other out, Uh, 380 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:12.680 it makes sense for us to do that, to work 381 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:15.720 as a united front. You know, we're all on the 382 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:19.359 same team here. So anytime we can be a good 383 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:22.480 neighbor and invite folks on cases that we're putting together 384 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.000 or vice versa, Yeah, we are always happy to do that. 385 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:29.640 We have some fantastic partners, some of which that you mentioned, 386 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:34.039 and yeah, it's a great thing. I think, you know, 387 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:38.359 ultimately it spreads out the expense of these sorts of 388 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:42.720 lawsuits across the various organizations, because look, lawyers aren't cheap. 389 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:46.000 No kid, Hey Bill, let me adam, I got, I got, 390 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:47.559 I just got a little bit of time left. Let 391 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:49.680 me put in a plug here too, for the Secondmendment 392 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:52.160 Foundation and the Gun Rights Policy Conference. If you go 393 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.759 to g RPC this year, you'll hear from people like you, 394 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:58.119 Bill Sack, and a lot of other people who are 395 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:01.039 fighting in this battle. I mean, that's that's important. And 396 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:02.759 you can get a ton of information there. 397 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:07.279 Oh yeah, jrpc's great this year. 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