WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:07.719 All right, welcome back, and joining us now is Lee Brown. 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:12.800 She put together a relief organization that is still going on, 3 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:15.240 and as she points out, this is not over yet. 4 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:19.280 People's attention span is very short and they move on 5 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.839 to the next story or the next hurricane or whatever. Right, 6 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:25.039 but this is still going on and it's going to 7 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:28.239 go on for a long time, and so we need 8 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:31.760 to keep people's attention focused on this and fight against that. 9 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:35.359 And there's also a concerted effort to keep this quiet. 10 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:38.280 I want to begin by telling you where you can go. 11 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:42.880 The official donation page is on giftsend Go and it 12 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:48.240 is at we Love WNC for Western North Carolina. We 13 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:52.240 Love WNC. That's on gifts End Go. We'll give that 14 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:54.880 at the end of the broadcast as well. But thank 15 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:57.000 you for joining us, Lee Brown, thank you very much 16 00:00:57.039 --> 00:00:57.560 for coming on. 17 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:00.640 Well, thank you for having me honored to be on 18 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:01.119 your show. 19 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:03.840 Well, thank you. I want to, you know, let's talk 20 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:05.959 about what is going on in the ongoing need here. 21 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.560 But I think a lot of people are just curious 22 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.719 as to what it looks like on the ground. But 23 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.280 maybe we could start with how this all began and 24 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:17.599 how you got involved in this what was it like 25 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.239 what you saw by being there on the spot. 26 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.719 Well, just to be very clear, I'm located about an 27 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:28.120 hour outside of the impact zone, but being a native 28 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:31.000 North Carolinian and having a lot of friends and family 29 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:34.680 in the affected area, it just it hit home for me. 30 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.640 And so when the storm hit and we were watching 31 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.719 the flooding in the very early coverage, which there was 32 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:45.959 a little coverage at the beginning, I could see where 33 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:51.640 this was headed. And I have helped with natural disasters 34 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:54.359 in the past, because North Carolina does happen to get 35 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:57.719 hurricanes on a regular basis, and being in real estate, 36 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.719 I think real estate agents often don't get the credit 37 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:03.239 they're due for the way realtors just love to dig 38 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:07.120 in and help their communities. Well, my husband and I 39 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:11.360 celebrated our wedding anniversary on September twenty seventh. Then this 40 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.080 is the third year that we've spent our anniversary doing 41 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.840 relief efforts. So I don't know how we got lucky 42 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:18.840 like that, but I knew it was coming and I 43 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:20.879 said told my husband, I said, well, let's load the 44 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.120 real estate company moving truck up and we'll let our 45 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.280 clients bring donations and we'll be prepared to help, not 46 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:30.719 knowing how bad it was going to be, but knowing 47 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.199 there was going to be a need, so I put 48 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.520 the word out that we would let people come help 49 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:37.439 us build the truck up. And then as the news 50 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:41.800 hit of the breadth of the disaster and the gravity 51 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:45.439 of what was going on, it turned into it an 52 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:50.280 accidental grassroots effort that has been embraced across the well, 53 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:53.680 actually it's international at this point because my videos talking 54 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:59.080 about it had gone viral. And it's hard to put 55 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.159 into words what it looks like in western North Carolina 56 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:06.039 because it's truly warzone kind of conditions in many areas 57 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.199 where the roads have collapsed. I forty between North Carolina 58 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:15.599 and Tennessee collapsed with vehicles stranded on the highway. You 59 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:19.120 have the city of Ashville, which is a decent sized 60 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.680 small city, fourteen feet of water over the water treatment station, 61 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.840 so no water in the city and town's gone. Chimney 62 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.879 Rock is gone. That's one of the few situations you 63 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:36.280 can actually find evidence of on the social networks. Swana 64 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:40.560 Noah went under water, Montreat, the home of Billy Graham 65 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:45.319 just virtually destroyed. And it's all I can describe it. 66 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.719 As is. It's the flood of biblical proportions. It's the 67 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.240 highest amount of flooding we've ever seen in the state. 68 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:55.319 It four it was four feet higher than the previous 69 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:00.560 generational flood in nineteen sixteen. So it was, it was, 70 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.919 and it is because we're still right now on day thirteen, 71 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.560 I guess we're still doing rescue efforts for people who 72 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:11.360 were in their homes and then the driveways washed away 73 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.240 and the roads washed away, and the only way you 74 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:19.759 can access these people is with ATVs. And unfortunately there's 75 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.079 as many well there's probably at this point more that 76 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:27.519 have perished than have survived in those survival situations, just 77 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.839 because of where the geography had it located. 78 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.439 And it's staggering. It's just just staggering. 79 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:39.439 I've never seen anything like it, quite frankly, you see 80 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.199 when damage. I grew up in Florida, saw hurricanes all 81 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.160 the time, and to see homes demolished with tornadoes and hurricanes, 82 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.399 that's one thing. But I've never seen the kind of 83 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.519 force that we saw with this water just washing away 84 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:54.600 you know, not only homes, but highways and the foundations 85 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.680 of where the highways were. I mean, it's it's like 86 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.959 a nuclear bomb went off. Truly amazing. What has happened there? 87 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.160 What about the when you got there? What did you see? 88 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.959 I mean, you drive up to you you didn't know 89 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.519 how bad this was going to be, and what was 90 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.480 the situation there? I guess at that point in time 91 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:14.839 people were doing rescue work. Tell us a little bit 92 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:15.279 about that. 93 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:20.000 Well, I think the rescue work was actually slightly delayed 94 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:22.959 because of the breadth of the disaster. I mean, you're 95 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.639 talking a geographic area that's the size of other states, 96 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:31.079 So there's a shock factor involved. And I have some 97 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.399 friends that are mayors of small towns because I'm fairly 98 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.480 politically active. And I talked to a friend of mine 99 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:42.480 in one of the small city large town status just 100 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.480 to check in and see what was going on. And 101 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.000 he told me his town had no water, that their 102 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:50.120 water station had gone out, And of course my immediate 103 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:52.720 reaction was, let me get you some water. So I 104 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:55.240 talked to a friend of mine who had a horse trailer, 105 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:57.759 and so we called Low's to see if we could 106 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.199 get a hold of some palettes of water. And this 107 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.560 was on the first day. So we chase down the water, 108 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:08.160 we get the water into her truck and head west. Well, 109 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:12.160 while we're heading west, they're closing down access points. And 110 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:16.199 I forty is the primary interstate going obviously from east 111 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.319 to west, and it was shut down, so we had 112 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.720 to go on seventy. And then when we got on seventy, 113 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.720 there were only certain ways you could get into this 114 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.160 town because of the road wash outs, but also because 115 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:32.360 of the blockades that had been put up to restrict traffic, 116 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.839 because of the uncertainty of the roads, and it was 117 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.079 and what would normally be a drive of a little 118 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:42.160 over an hour took three and a half hours to 119 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.120 drive like this to get to the town, just to 120 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.680 give some water because there was no water. I mean, 121 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.160 the municipal system is out. And I don't know that 122 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.240 any of us really understand how much we take for 123 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:59.240 granted are clean and safe drinking water. I mean, unless 124 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.600 you traveled in the third world, it's hard to understand 125 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:06.160 how spoiled we are as Americans. And when that water 126 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:09.040 supply is gone, people on a well would normally be 127 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.800 all right, but they're electricities out and if they have 128 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:14.680 a generator, did they have fuel for it? Because not 129 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.920 everybody is thinking ahead all the time. Most folks don't 130 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.519 have a stockpile of water. So we got there with 131 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:26.800 this pallette of water, and the people came over and 132 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:31.199 got it immediately, just sheer gratitude, and it was the 133 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.120 beauty of it was nobody was grabbed more than they 134 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.000 should have. There was a very big desire to make 135 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:39.519 it go as far as it could. And that was 136 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.160 day one, and so looking at the road closures was 137 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:47.120 it was very unsettling to think you could no longer 138 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:50.680 travel freely because of all the blockades. If you could 139 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:54.399 travel freely, the roads may not be accessible. And if 140 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:56.600 the roads aren't accessible, how do you get to your 141 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.480 neighbors with life saving things like clean water? And then 142 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:08.360 that was day one. By day three there's the smell 143 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:13.600 of decomposition, and that's a it's nothing anybody ever wants 144 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:17.360 to experience. But that's if you remember the temperatures when 145 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:21.399 this hit still in the end summer, so still warm enough, 146 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.040 and the human body is not made for. 147 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:28.959 Lying around in the sun. And that's that's continuing to go. 148 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:32.440 On because we still have not gathered all of our 149 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:37.080 neighbors who perished. They have not all had a decent burial, 150 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.799 of course, because we haven't we haven't located everybody, and 151 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.679 so it's it's just it's hard. And so when you 152 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:48.679 see it now, the news is already showing the parts 153 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.799 of towns that are intact, their messaging being it wasn't 154 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:57.360 that bad, but it is. It's just devastation. And the 155 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:02.399 example I can give you of a town called Rollins 156 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:06.039 is a very tiny hamlet in the North Carolina Mountains, 157 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:11.759 had about fifteen homes prior to the Great Flood. I 158 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.679 guess there's four houses left, and that's one of the 159 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.279 lucky little hamlets. The rest of the houses are gone 160 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.240 because it primarily sat on the banks of a river. 161 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:27.039 And when you see what's left, it is just things 162 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:28.799 are gone. It's hard to get your mind around it. 163 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.720 And for me as a North Carolina native who's gone 164 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:36.320 to the mountains for years for vacations and for going 165 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.799 out hiking and church retreat I mean every church I've 166 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:42.279 ever gone through, the retreat places are up in the mountains. 167 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.759 Your geography has changed forever. So you have the loss 168 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:50.279 of life. We've lost humans, the geography is different. Towns 169 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.320 are gone, and so there's a grief over what the 170 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:57.159 state was prior to twenty twenty four. And what it 171 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:00.200 is now because it won't ever be the same. Oh, 172 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:04.600 it's just it really makes the Bible come to life 173 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.799 when you look at the way that things went in 174 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:12.440 the Terrah and what happened with these towns as they 175 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.919 they warred with each other and they would wipe them 176 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.720 out and salt the earth, And you can't help but 177 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:23.159 feel that there's obviously a visual of the spiritual battle 178 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:23.720 that we're in. 179 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.879 Yeah, Oh, it's amazing. And so at this point now, 180 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.000 as you said, all the roads are closed, there weren't 181 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:32.919 any roads in many cases, so they would black people 182 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:35.879 off from that. In terms of the logistics of trying 183 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.480 to get stuff in, that's got to be so incredibly challenging. 184 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:40.480 And we've had all kinds of reports that we've talked 185 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:42.799 about over the last week about people trying to come 186 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.799 in with helicopters and evacuate people out, other people pulling 187 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.480 rank on them and stopping that. Organizations like the one 188 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.240 that was in bat Cave, and they've done a great 189 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:54.600 job logistically of putting stuff in and getting things distributed. 190 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.080 How are you operating with this and who are you 191 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.159 partnering with in order to get these is pies in 192 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.360 when there's not a clear path or a road to 193 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:03.919 get there. 194 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.600 Well, when my video went viral, I got calls from 195 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.240 people with trucks and trailers literally all over the country 196 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:17.480 who are patriots who are not afraid of figuring it out. 197 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:21.039 And we have had this ragtag group of people who 198 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.840 never knew each other but responded to a call, who 199 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:27.759 have come in found their way through truckers who had 200 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:31.159 the right permits and knew how to navigate road closures 201 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.840 better than a regular person, local people with an suv 202 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.080 or a pickup truck or a four by four. And 203 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.600 that's my group has just kind of filled gaps wherever 204 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.360 we've been called upon. The organized groups have helped us 205 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:49.120 to know where are the polaris guys needed, Where can 206 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:52.000 we get an ATV up, We need toachs to put 207 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.320 food in, to go up the side of a hill 208 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:57.159 to get to a family. So it's none of the 209 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:01.559 big groups. I will give good credit to Samaritan's Purse, 210 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:04.759 Franklin Graham's organization. They were in Bune as of day 211 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:08.279 one with their organization, they were set up and distributing 212 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:12.080 and my goodness, a super well oiled machine. Very impressed 213 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:15.559 with the work that they've done, and the Baptist churches, 214 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.240 the Baptist Coalition got busy on day one as well, 215 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:21.159 and they've been spreading out through the church network to 216 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.320 some of the smaller areas. But other than that, we've 217 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:27.679 operated with people we find on Facebook or people that 218 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:33.399 have been referred to us as reputable and kind, thoughtful 219 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.039 people who are looking out for their neighbors. And so 220 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.519 it's just what happens when people decide to pitch in together. 221 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.320 It's not a five ZHO one C three, and we're 222 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.799 not any true organization, and in fact, those of us 223 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.279 that swung into action a few days ago are now 224 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.799 trying to figure out, all right, we still have jobs 225 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:53.320 to do because we're not relief workers, and there are 226 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:58.200 professionals available, but they're still overwhelmed. So how do we 227 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.399 continue to help while we manage our own lives so 228 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.600 that we can continue to support. But the way people 229 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.360 have pitched in is it's the spirit of what America 230 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.679 was founded on, and it's encouraging to see that it's 231 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:12.279 still there. 232 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:14.159 It is. And you know, just before he came on, 233 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.279 I finished off with Alexis Totokville, who came to the 234 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:20.480 US basically look at the prison system. But he was 235 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.759 just amazed at how people in America would come together 236 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:27.480 to solve a common problem voluntarily as a community. And 237 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.840 it is wonderful from a perspective of where I am. 238 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.000 It's wonderful to see that happening again, to see that 239 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.759 that's not dead. That when people see that there's a need, 240 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:38.759 they can organize themselves and people come together and offer 241 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:42.440 their services. I've seen this in the past when there's 242 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.320 been a localized stuff, it's not many times when it's 243 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.440 really big, then you get FEMA, you get the military, 244 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.200 other people come in and they essentially shut that down 245 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:52.960 and take it over. Whether they do a good job 246 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.240 or not. They didn't allow people to participate and they 247 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.480 shut that down. And so that's why I think so 248 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.120 important about this and part of what you're doing. I 249 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.919 think you're kind of focused on trying to get supplies. 250 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:04.759 And as I look at the site that you've set up, 251 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.919 you got an Amazon wish list, and in that wish 252 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.799 list you put in things that people you know that 253 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:16.480 people need, medical supplies, general needs, a wish list, and 254 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.720 other things like that, and I guess you're then handing 255 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.960 that off to some of these other organizations that are there. 256 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.080 No, we're taking it in ourselves. 257 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:24.679 Okays. 258 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:29.600 We have had three scenarios where my teams have been 259 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:35.919 interrupted by FEMA, and FEMA has a plan to inventory 260 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:39.440 everything that they can get their hands on. We choose 261 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.360 not to let them inventory it because there's a need 262 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:48.200 and I don't think they fully grasp how geographically challenging 263 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.159 an area like this is because you're not talking a city, 264 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.000 an urban center of you in a flat area. You're 265 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:59.399 talking fifteen houses here, sixty eight houses there. And the 266 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.440 centralized information tends to be the volunteer fire department. So 267 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:04.919 we've reached out to many of the volunteer fire departments 268 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.120 because they know who in their community needs insulin. Well, 269 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:10.720 I probably don't have insulin, but I may have a 270 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:14.000 contact who can help get the prescriptions and handle all 271 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:17.639 the details on that. And so we're removing more quickly 272 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:21.000 because we're not trying to follow the red tape of 273 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:25.000 the government. And we understand that FEMA wants to have 274 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.879 a central supply hub, but if you have a central 275 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.480 supply hub in a huge geographical area, then how are 276 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.679 you going to deploy that in a timeframe that makes sense, 277 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:38.679 especially with Falsh warnings now because now we've moved into winter, 278 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:43.679 so our job today we moved another we'll move thirty 279 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.679 generators up today to give to thirty different homes so 280 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.600 they could keep the heat on. We moved another dozen 281 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:55.039 propane portable heaters into some other homes for elderly who 282 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:58.559 don't want to leave can't leave. And I just I 283 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.120 don't know that FEMA's interests it in dropping generators at 284 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.759 people's houses so that they can stay put. They would 285 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:07.960 rather put you through a red tape nightmare to get 286 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:09.519 a little bit of cash. But the little bit of 287 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:12.320 cash their offering doesn't even cover the cost of a 288 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.639 generator that I got at wholesale price, and they're not 289 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:17.879 going to deliver it. So if you're elderly and you 290 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:20.639 apply for this little bit of money on FEMA online, 291 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:23.720 so you have to have internet access, they want receipts, 292 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:27.399 They want a doctor's note if it's say a breathing machine. 293 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.440 We also got thanks of oxygen delivered up today as well. 294 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.240 They want a doctor's note for your oxygen. Okay, so 295 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:35.639 FEMA is only going to give you money if you 296 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:38.759 prove your power was out while you're on the internet, 297 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:40.879 and if you prove that you have a doctor's note 298 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:42.840 for what you need, and if you have receipts, and 299 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.480 then you'll get this seven hundred and fifty dollars. Well, 300 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.759 I have found that if the donations I've received are 301 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.240 going to buy thirty generators, I called my guiet Low's 302 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.399 and Low's has been amazing by the way. They were 303 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.679 so quick to help us with hunting down what we needed, 304 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.480 giving us wholesale ing even though I'm not a builder, 305 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.440 and Lows helped us hunt them down. We talked to 306 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:07.599 a guy with a trailer, and the guy with a 307 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.200 trailer who's not working today, put the generators on and 308 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.359 ran them up so that they could be distributed from 309 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.839 a church to these thirty homes. If femas in charge, 310 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:19.960 what's that a month process? And in that month process, 311 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:22.680 how many help issues occur because somebody's cold in their 312 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:25.079 home in the mountains in the winter in North Carolina. 313 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:31.359 So yeah, we're we're circumventing, but not because we're you know, 314 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.519 breaking any laws. We're just doing it a better way. 315 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.640 And well, idea how the communities were built though we 316 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.039 took care of each other. Churches used to be the center. 317 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:43.960 Churches knew who was hungry, and we fed them, and 318 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.200 we knew who was sick, and we took care of them, 319 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.480 because the Bible says you take care of aliens with 320 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.200 those and orphans, and so that's what we're looking at here, 321 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.000 is how do we take care of those that are 322 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:56.519 passed out, those that are alone, and those that are 323 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:58.079 unable to care for themselves. 324 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.440 That's right, and you know, the bureaucracies have their own agenda. 325 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.440 But the other part of it is the centralization that 326 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:09.319 you're talking about. If you've got a decentralized thing that 327 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.720 is happening, it can happen so much more effectively and 328 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.599 quickly than the centralized bureaucracy. They took them a long 329 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.200 time from what I've seen, to even show up. And 330 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.440 then when they do, their obstructionists because of their imposed procedures, 331 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.759 because of centralized planning and distribution and all the rest 332 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.519 of the stuff. So that is what is so essential, 333 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:32.079 and that is also that's why we need to talk 334 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:35.480 about this for everybody. It shows the power of community, 335 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:39.079 it shows the power of volunteerism, and it shows just 336 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:43.319 at the same time the callousness and the ineffectiveness of 337 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:48.559 a distant, centralized bureaucracy. And that's the key story I 338 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:50.480 think here, And as you point out, this is going 339 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.160 to go on for quite some time. I mean, I've 340 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.319 seen some of the organizations. There was some Mennight organization 341 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:58.640 that has a history of going and they spent two 342 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.480 and a half years at an Indian reservation. FEMA wouldn't 343 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.759 do anything to help them, but they're wiped out with 344 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.799 a storm and I don't know why it didn't fall 345 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.079 into their bureaucratic checklist of something they would help with. 346 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:11.759 But this group went there and they stayed there for 347 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:13.400 like two and a half years, and they said, we're 348 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.599 going to be here for several years because we're going 349 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.480 to be here helping people rebuild. I guess at this 350 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.839 point right now, the rescue operation is really more recovery 351 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.079 of bodies. But the people that are there, they need 352 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.880 a constant resupply of things because they really can't help themselves. 353 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:31.279 It's really reliant on outside help. 354 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:33.599 Would you say absolutely? 355 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:37.359 Because the infrastructure has just experienced. 356 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.200 Catastrophic damage, the city of Ashville is not expected to 357 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:43.079 have water back for another three weeks. Wow is the 358 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:45.839 optimistic estimate? That's a city. 359 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:46.519 Wow. 360 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:48.880 Now if you go to some of the outlying areas, 361 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.599 there is some return of power, but there has not 362 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.599 been a return yet of water services because being mountainous, 363 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.440 you've also got some groundwater concerns now with the way 364 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.000 that the flooding occurred. So even if you're on a well, 365 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:05.279 the newest thing we're adding to our wish list or 366 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.920 well water testing kits, we are begging people to test 367 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.359 the water before you use it, because you don't know 368 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.559 what has come into your water source now. And part 369 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.000 of what we've received from our donations from around the country, 370 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.240 and obviously I am just one of the many, many 371 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:24.839 voices that has been a voice to cry out for 372 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:27.680 western North Carolina. But the water that has come in 373 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:32.240 has just been astonishing. We actually have had to hold 374 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.240 some back in storage because there's nowhere else to put it. 375 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:39.960 And what about you let me ask you this. We're 376 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.960 talking about water. This is a comment from somebody on here. McGowan, 377 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.599 a fan, thank you for that, says make sure you 378 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.920 have a gravity filter, a non electric distiller to make 379 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:51.960 sure it's as pure as possible. I imagine that would 380 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:54.440 really be a priority rather than bring in the water, 381 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.680 bringing in something that's going to be able to you know, 382 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.000 water filters that are gravity feed that don't have to 383 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.279 have power. I'm sure that's on your list as well. 384 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.240 Right well, yes, and we have folks that have sent 385 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.599 us some very good explainer videos for how people can 386 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.480 get those set up and what we're doing right now. 387 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.559 We're in triage phase right now, and when you're in triage, 388 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:16.000 it's palettes of water and how do we manage it 389 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:19.599 for this moment? And as we get the systems in 390 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:22.640 place and we figure out how to get people through roads, 391 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.720 we have these I guess you could call them hillbilly 392 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:27.680 road repairs where you have a bunch of guys that 393 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.160 show up and put a road back together during the night, 394 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:31.039 old school style. 395 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:34.000 As we get those things fixed, then. 396 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.359 We can look at more of the bigger picture, because 397 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.279 we have people that would like to take a shower, 398 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:41.839 and so an item like those gravity filters is something 399 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:43.759 that if you do it big enough and put it 400 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:45.920 up a little bit, you can actually clean with it. 401 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.559 And so there's we're still in triage phase. Is the 402 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:54.119 hardest thing to explain to folks that we won't think 403 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:57.519 to be fixed. Our whole society is and immediate gratification society. 404 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:00.680 We want it fixed, we want it better. When we 405 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.880 took up the generators, we took up some dehumidifiers because 406 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:05.960 if you think about this, a lot of the houses 407 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:09.359 have water intrusion. As somebody in real estate, I want 408 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:12.319 to save those houses, so we have to get dehumidifiers in, 409 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:14.920 get the moisture out so they don't wind up with 410 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:18.279 the mold problem. When we invariably hit a little warm street, 411 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:21.480 which is North Carolina, is going to do warm cold, warm, cold, warm, 412 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.000 cold for a while, and we want to make sure 413 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.000 these people's houses are still safe to live in. So yes, 414 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:30.359 there's lots of things we can do. And for those 415 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:32.640 of y'all that are curious, one of our best prepper 416 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.799 communities that I've ever known is in one of the 417 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:39.640 affected counties. Build doing pretty all right now. They've actually 418 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.160 been able to take what they had prepared and they 419 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.480 are helping their neighbors. In fact, one of my dear 420 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:50.039 friends in that community was frustrated with the distribution, so 421 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:52.599 she put a pop up tent in her yard and 422 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.720 put out some supplies that we brought to her house 423 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:57.720 just on the back of a trailer and the neighbors 424 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:02.079 all came right out and were served. And that's a 425 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:04.640 blessing to be prepared enough that you can serve. And 426 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.440 I don't know that we talk about that enough with 427 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:10.559 people who are organically just taking care of the future 428 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:14.039 and thinking ahead. It's not just a selfish desire to 429 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.359 take care of yourself. But if you're taking care of 430 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:19.799 you have the bandwidth to help other people. So just 431 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:21.680 a reminder that prepping is not selfish. 432 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:24.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah, And it's not crazy either, as 433 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.400 we see they like to treat that's a crazy thing. 434 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:28.599 It's like, I'm sorry, We've seen too many things happen 435 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:31.720 in the last few years for people everythink that prepping 436 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:35.079 is crazy. It is crazy not to prep a question. 437 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:40.400 This is from someone here, the people, they said, a 438 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.599 lot of people. The government is already telling people they 439 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.960 can't rebuild in certain places because it's not safe, says them. Sellers, 440 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.720 is that something that you're seeing. Of course, Lee, you're 441 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:54.960 a retail a realtor, and her website is Lee Sells 442 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.000 and she spells her name l E I G H. 443 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:03.599 Lee Sells dot com will find information about this relief effort. 444 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.240 But of course you can also find that at giftsen 445 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:10.480 go and give sing go. You look for we Love 446 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.599 w INC for Western North Carolina, we Love W and C. 447 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:18.640 That'll give you that information. I'm sure probably link back 448 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:21.240 to the other thing as well. But as a realtor, 449 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:23.480 what are you hearing about that? Because that's been a 450 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:25.319 concern of a lot of people. You know, we've got 451 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.400 these situations with a couple of different minds, a very 452 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:32.000 rare quartz mind, a big lithium mind that people didn't 453 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:33.799 really want to see that come in. Are they going 454 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.200 to shove people out? Are we hearing any of that 455 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:36.960 kind of stuff? 456 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.519 Well, it's a valid concern when we see what happened 457 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:44.880 in Maui, and that's a situation that I don't think 458 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.720 will ever be adequately explained, although a lot of us 459 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.720 have our theories. North Carolina is fortunate, though, we have 460 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.920 a very strong state constitution that is very much protective 461 00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:00.319 of private property rights. So when all of the when 462 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:02.960 all of this stuff went down, The lithium vein that 463 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.759 gets referenced runs from Ashville all the way down through 464 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:10.440 Gaston County, and it's been there obviously since the Lord 465 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.440 created it, but it became very valuable as we've moved 466 00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:17.599 more towards these electronic vehicles that are being forced on us, 467 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.000 and that Gaston County is where we saw the first 468 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:25.079 mining operations really kick in, and that's generally you've got 469 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.160 a lot of black rock stakeholders. So there's a lot 470 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:31.559 of I would say nefarious actors afoot. But this storm 471 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:36.759 unless the cloud seating situation really is what happened, and 472 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.240 even if it were, I don't know that the bad 473 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:43.039 actors can get a hold of the land unless the 474 00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:47.240 property owners sell because our state constitution protects illegal takings 475 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:52.039 by the government. And if something were to happen, it 476 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:55.839 would be that a phone call comes into Bob from 477 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.839 some little shyster investor who says, your land ain't worth 478 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.160 then I'll give you cash, take it off your hands. 479 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:08.359 So if our neighbors can't give in to bad sales pitches, 480 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.640 then there could be some takings going on. But as 481 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.759 of right now, and I talked to the Speaker of 482 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.039 the House in North Carolina. He's a very he's a 483 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:23.720 very savvy lawyer, and he told me there's no legislation 484 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.640 needed at this point because the constitution is strong. But 485 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.279 he did ask the real estate community to please get 486 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.319 the word out to people. Don't sell cheap, don't give 487 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.440 in to what you read on the internet, because that's 488 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:40.400 the risk. The risk is that the chatter on X 489 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.359 and Instagram and Facebook scares people enough that they go 490 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.599 ahead and sell. I will point out there's a lot 491 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.640 of chatter about a town hall meeting that happened in 492 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:53.799 Chimney Rock that did not happen. That's in internet urban myth. 493 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:58.799 And so it's important to be alert because our government 494 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:01.359 is full of bad actors who do value money more 495 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.640 than they value life because they serve the wrong God. 496 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.880 And as we look at what they do on a 497 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.519 general basis, it is possible to believe it. But in 498 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.799 North Carolina, what I don't think they counted on at 499 00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:18.480 Black Rock is the absolute stubbornness of mountain people who 500 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:20.880 are not going anywhere. And there was a lady that 501 00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:25.160 we spoke with on Sunday of last week and she 502 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.480 had basically moved herself up under what was left of 503 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.440 her lean to her house is pretty much gone and 504 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.279 there's a flagpole in the yard. She said, I ain't 505 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:34.920 going anywhere, and so we said, all right, we're going 506 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:38.000 to get you the heated tent that you can stay put. 507 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:42.279 But you know, they might be thinking that the attitudes 508 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:46.480 are more of the people they encounter in the ashvills, 509 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.480 the urban areas that go to the breweries and our 510 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:54.720 university kids. But mountain people are generational, hard scrabble folks. 511 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.079 They're used to pulling a living out of very unforgiving land. 512 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.799 They have made home sites mountain sides, and I think 513 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.359 they're going to prove to be a tougher fell than 514 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.359 anybody realizes. 515 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:10.759 Good. Well, along those lines, what about insurance, because we're 516 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.000 seeing a lot of stuff about how insurance companies are 517 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.559 trying to weasel out of this kind of thing and 518 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.160 what you know as a realatory. Again, what do you 519 00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:23.640 hear in terms of people dealing with their insurance companies. 520 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:28.119 Well, now that is a concern because the property values 521 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:31.480 have gone up so much since the COVID era started 522 00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:35.440 in twenty twenty, and for most people, if you owned 523 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:39.759 a property and you had insurance on it, it's probably 524 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.240 surely unlikely that you called the insurance company and said, hey, 525 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:46.759 my property went up from two hundred and fifty thousand 526 00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:50.039 to five hundred thousand, please increase my coverage. Most people 527 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:51.920 don't do that because they don't want to pay the 528 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:56.079 increased premium. However, if you did not increase your coverage, 529 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.279 then your insurance policy may be enforced and you may 530 00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.279 have paid on it dutifully. But if the value of 531 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:06.119 your house exceeds the policy, that's not even the fault 532 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:10.160 of the insurance company. That is the challenge of a 533 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.000 rising market. And when you're in a home that's in 534 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.799 good shape or you're selling it, you love the rising market. 535 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.160 When you're buying, you hate the rising market. When you're 536 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.279 a homeowner who's enjoying your three percent interest rate that 537 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.279 you got seven years ago, it doesn't bother you until 538 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:28.440 something like this hits. And so what I would say, 539 00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.000 is what we have been saying on the real estate 540 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.920 side for some time, is please check your policies and 541 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.559 make sure that you have the appropriate amount of coverage 542 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.680 because what you paid two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 543 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.640 for six years ago cannot be built for that now, 544 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.079 even if you had the money. Labors high, materials are high, 545 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.720 and the biggest cost we have is permits and regulations 546 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.400 trying to get something built. So we should all be 547 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.799 paying attention to our policies. Now that being said, if 548 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.319 you are watching this or listening to this and you're 549 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.519 in an affected area, don't tell the insurance company that 550 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.400 you experienced a flood. You got to tell them it 551 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.680 was high water and rain because you get covered if 552 00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.759 you don't use the word flood. And I'd also point 553 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.839 this out, there's a lot of experts on the internet. 554 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.559 I love Internet experts in the comments, and they keep 555 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.119 telling us that these people should have had flood insurance. Really, really, 556 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.599 you put a house on a mountain side. No, they 557 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.359 didn't have blood insurance. And that's normal because again, we're 558 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.119 in an inflationary environment where people are trying to pay 559 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.079 the bills. They're not going to add on flood insurance 560 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:39.599 for the side of a mountain where it's not necessary 561 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.599 because you're not in a flood zone and you don't 562 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.920 think it's ever going to happen. But I can't blame 563 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:49.720 an insurance company for being nervous about a generational native generational. 564 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.720 I think this is a it's a century long era 565 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.880 we've been dealing with here. They can't anticipate it, and 566 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.000 they're not made out of money either. The only crowd 567 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.400 that's made out of money is the government who keeps 568 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.240 printing it and taking it out of our pockets where 569 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:08.079 nobody can afford anything. So that's a challenge too. But 570 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:10.599 the other thing people don't know about flood insurance is 571 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.119 even if you had it, even if you've got your 572 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.720 claim approved, it's a max payout of two hundred and 573 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.000 fifty thousand, and the way the markets have changed, that's 574 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:21.960 not even going to buy you a nice double wide. 575 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.240 When you consider all of the foundation things that have 576 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.839 to be reset. We've got to redo deptic tanks, We're 577 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:30.680 going to have to redo wells, We're going to have 578 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.240 to redo water and sewer taps. If it's on the 579 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.799 infrastructure lines, it's just it's going to be interesting. And 580 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:40.359 I don't know what the answer is. But as I've 581 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.160 said in the video a couple of days ago, I 582 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.359 sure hope that the banks like JP Morgan and Bank 583 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.480 of America, who make a lot of money off of homeowners, 584 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.359 I hope they'll forgive these mortgages because I do worry 585 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.880 about the people who no longer have a collateral. They 586 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.200 have no house left, but they still have a mortgage. 587 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.960 And so that's right. What's going to happen there. Are 588 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:03.960 they going to get foreclosed on no house or is 589 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.039 the bank going to forgive it? I don't know the answer, 590 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:11.480 but I just it's what everybody has to do is 591 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:15.039 pray for the affected people because they're going to need 592 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.759 strength and resilience to process all of these things. While 593 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:21.880 they find water and food, while they do. 594 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.319 Without a hot shower in their house. 595 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.359 And now they've got to think about mortgages for houses 596 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:31.119 that don't exist, and it's it's untenable for a lot 597 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:31.559 of people. 598 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.640 So and then how do they work? You know, how 599 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.519 they work? The roads are washed out? I mean, what 600 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.480 happens to their income? That's the other part of it. 601 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.839 Well, the stores are gone. A lot of our employers 602 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.000 have lost their businesses. I mean, I look at my 603 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.279 real estate people and we don't get a lot of 604 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:52.640 sympathy because we have a terrible perception of us has 605 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.279 been created by the mainstream media and by Hollywood. But 606 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.720 I think most of your viewers and listeners, when you've 607 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.960 engaged with the realtor, they're very hard working, thoughtful people. 608 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.400 Well what are they going to sell? There's no inventory 609 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:08.480 for them to sell. They live on commission and I've 610 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.680 talked to several who are in a panic right now 611 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.400 because they did have something under contract, but now the 612 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:18.440 house has either gone or damaged. Buy or can't buy. 613 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.759 A seller can't sell house isn't going to receive the loan. 614 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:26.400 So you've got a whole profession that's out of work 615 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.359 unless they relocate. Well, if a real estate agent relocates 616 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.279 to work for me an hour away, I'd be glad 617 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.000 to have them, but they don't know anybody where I 618 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:38.119 am in real estate's relationship base, and it's competitive, and 619 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:39.799 then you have to learn a new county and you 620 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.559 learn a new market, so it's challenge on top of challenge. 621 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.119 But I'm hopeful that because North Carolina has had so 622 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.000 many employers come in with Eli Lilly and Toyota and Boomsonic, 623 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.640 that will see those new big employers rise up and 624 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:59.559 making a concerted effort to provide employment to people, even 625 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.119 if it's a one year contract, to give him a 626 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:06.880 chance to get started again. It's so multifaceted, but. 627 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:08.960 I just thought about it. You know, how do you 628 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:10.760 get to work and is the place that you worked 629 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.119 at even still there? I mean that's. 630 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.480 Because cars are gone. I think the car's flooded. 631 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.800 Too, that's right, Yeah, no car. 632 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.920 Well, you know, I talked to a guy, so he's 633 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.480 an asphalt trucker, and of course I told you trucks 634 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.880 and trailers have come in from around the country. This 635 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.440 wonderful gentleman has a new dump truck. He works for 636 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.599 an asphalt company out of Tennessee, and it's one of 637 00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.679 our largest asphalt companies in the southeast. They got a 638 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:40.960 bid to come fix some roads, but the main facility 639 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.639 was gone because of the floods, and so this company 640 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.000 received a bid. He lost fifty nine pieces of equipment. 641 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.840 And then you have to ask yourself, my gracious, how 642 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.960 crazy is the volume and force of the water that 643 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.159 fifty nine pieces of asphalt lay in equipment could get destroyed. 644 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.559 So I look at that, and in a normal time, 645 00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.559 he'd be glad to have that kind of job. That's 646 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:06.679 a huge job. It's a huge bid. But here he 647 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.639 gets a bid, no equipment to serve it, and even 648 00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.559 if he could, his men can't get to and from work. 649 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.599 Right now, Well, yeah, it's going to be a real 650 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.239 religious situation. That the difference between a rain and a flood. 651 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.280 You know, as you point out don't use the word flood, 652 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.840 you know, use don't use the word flood. Yeah, rain 653 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:27.039 and wind and everything, but they're going to say that 654 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:28.800 it's a flood. That's where the fight is going to be. 655 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:33.000 I can see that being really religious. So it's such 656 00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:35.679 a bad situation. And again it's important to have you 657 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.639 on so people know this is an ongoing situation. It's 658 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:41.320 going to go on for a very very long time 659 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.880 as we're talking about all these different aspects that are here, 660 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.039 but it's going to pass out of the news cycle. 661 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.719 Everybody's going to get interested in politics and all the 662 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.559 rest of the stuff, and there'll be another storm and 663 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.199 another hurricane somewhere, just as we see. A lot of 664 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.960 the tension was redirected away from North Carolina because of 665 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.039 Milton coming in this line last week, and so that 666 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:03.840 type of thing is going to be there. But the 667 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.400 needs continue on there. And again if people want to 668 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.400 help it is we love w NC as in western 669 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:17.679 North Carolina. We love WNC at give Send go, And 670 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.400 I guess there's links there to your page there under 671 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.679 Lee Sales dot com. You've got a page and I 672 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.639 guess you've got a link back to that from probably 673 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:27.960 the easiest way for them to find it is going 674 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.960 to gift, send go and look at we love w NC. 675 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.239 It is so wonderful to see people helping other people 676 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.960 and it's tragic that this has happened, but I think 677 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.119 that is a silver lining that is there and it's 678 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:45.360 important lesson for everybody to see throughout the country. And 679 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.599 anything else that you would like to say, I mean, 680 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.039 we've got a little bit more time. What would you 681 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:50.480 like to stress to people? 682 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.599 Well, one thing I would just like to say is 683 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.920 that it was disturbing to me as somebody who read 684 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.920 a lot, follow a lot of the information trails, and 685 00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:07.480 I didn't realize how deep the overall distrust is of 686 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:11.840 not just our government, but of our traditional organizations like 687 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.239 the Red Cross. I mean I watched the Red Cross 688 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.639 drag their feet coming to town because they said it 689 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:19.280 was too dangerous to get here. But then I saw 690 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.199 the leaked emails from the current administration that said they 691 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.719 were going to delay their response because it was not safe. 692 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:27.079 So I wonder if the Red Cross was following the government, 693 00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:31.920 but that would explain why nobody trust them. And it's 694 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.079 just it's a shame that we fall into that as 695 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.480 a society that we no longer trust our government. I 696 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:42.119 certainly don't trust big pharma. I don't trust the school system, 697 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.119 as you mentioned in your piece before I came on, 698 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.519 I don't trust most of these relief organizations. And I 699 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.920 thought that by opening up chance for people to give 700 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:56.000 me their donations, that I could fill my truck up 701 00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.320 with some supplies. I did not anticipate that so many 702 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:03.400 people said, hey, lady, I saw on the internet in 703 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:08.880 a video, you seem more trustworthy than big organizations and FEMA. 704 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.079 And so when they've sent me these gifts, they've thanked me. 705 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.760 They know that I'm directing the dollars to actual neighbors, 706 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.159 and all of them have said, just please keep going 707 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:21.079 around FEMA, because they understand that that's the speed is 708 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:24.599 for the need. And it's encouraging and discouraging at the 709 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.840 same time. But then I remember how much my grandmother, Oh, 710 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.159 she longed for the end times, and I remind myself 711 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.079 it's a privilege to get to live in them. And 712 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.719 so all I can do is be a laborer in 713 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.960 the harvest. And I'm grateful for everybody that's laboring, as 714 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.159 well those that are doing the helicopter lifts and the 715 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:46.039 ATV search and rescues and cutting logs to get people 716 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.679 out of driveways, and you really do see the best 717 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:53.679 in people. And hopefully we as a people will decide 718 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.880 that we've had enough of the corrupt elites that diminish 719 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.920 us and we will either put this to rights like 720 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.559 happened with the people of Israel so long ago, or 721 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.719 where God's gonna He's gonna have his way. So right, 722 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.079 I hope everybody in the sound of my voice chooses 723 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:12.880 Jesus and chooses to repent before you miss your chance. 724 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.119 They have to talk that in there. 725 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.239 Oh, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, And that's the key thing. 726 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:17.480 You know. 727 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.599 It used to be that it was all about the community, 728 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:23.480 about helping neighbors, and as you pointed out, we knew 729 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:27.239 who needed help. So you know, once you institutionalize this stuff, 730 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:31.400 what you're doing is you're institutionalizing and efficiencies and graft 731 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.000 and corruption and that type of stuff. And it is 732 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.840 at the point now where everybody sees these established institutions 733 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.480 and we don't trust them. That's why it is so 734 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.760 important for individuals like you to step up and to 735 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.159 do the right thing. And and it is great to 736 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:48.519 see that and You've gotten a good deal of support 737 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.719 there on gifts and go and so again that it 738 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.039 is we love w n C is how you can 739 00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.400 keep track of what is happening there, and we've been 740 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.599 talking to Lee Brown. Thank you so much for what 741 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.119 you're doing, for stepping up with that. Coming into that 742 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.480 area truly is amazing, and I know that it is 743 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.639 very challenging, but it's also very blessing to be able 744 00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.639 to help other people. We don't ever want to be 745 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.239 in the situation where we need the help, but it 746 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.239 is wonderful to be able to offer the help. And 747 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:20.119 so thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for 748 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.719 stepping up, and we really do appreciate the example that 749 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.159 is being set there by all the people voluntarily stepping 750 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.559 in and helping their neighbor. It's great to see that 751 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.039 that has not died out in America. It hasn't been 752 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:36.400 smothered by this massive bureaucracy of these corrupt institutions that 753 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.920 we see both public and private. It's great to see 754 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.800 people just stepping up on the spur of the moment 755 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.119 and doing this type of thing. Thank you so much 756 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.519 for what you do. Appreciate it well. 757 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.559 I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you to you and your 758 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:48.559 listeners and viewers. 759 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:50.960 Thank you, Thank you. Lee. We're going to take a 760 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:53.800 quick break, folks, and we will be right back. 761 00:40:54.320 --> 00:42:32.800 Stay with us, Liberty, it's your move. 762 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.000 And now the David Night Show. 763 00:43:01.280 --> 00:44:43.760 In the Body its alright. 764 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:45.880 Joining us now is doctor Jane Ruby. I've had a 765 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:47.880 lot of people who've contacted me and said, you guys 766 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:49.360 are on the same page. You need to get her 767 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.280 on and talk. And I'm always happy to get people 768 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.719 who you know, when we're looking either at politics or 769 00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.039 at the pandemic. Because the pandemic was politics, I was 770 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:04.119 happy to have them on. And doctor Jane Ruby has 771 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:06.719 a lot of medical experience as well as political experience. 772 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:11.079 She is a licensed nurse practitioner. She actually ran clinical 773 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:14.000 sites for quite some time and then took a sabbatical 774 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.280 and went to Washington and worked there, so she knows 775 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:20.000 both the politics and the medical stuff. So it's great 776 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:21.400 to have her and thank you for joining us. It's 777 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:23.599 good to talk to you you too, David. 778 00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:25.679 I have to say you are definitely one of my 779 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:27.199 go to people every day. 780 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:28.039 Thank you. 781 00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.119 It's not just the echo chamber. You bring such a 782 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.039 great new perspective to this. So I'm really thrilled to 783 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.159 be with you today and yeah, well, thank you appreciate it. 784 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.880 Tell people what you think about the last four years? 785 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:44.320 Is that broad enough? I mean, you know, I'm looking 786 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:48.480 at this and yesterday I said, I saw this article, Well, 787 00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.519 what would you have done in Germany in the nineteen thirties? 788 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.960 I said, you don't even have to think about that. 789 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.400 What did you do in America or in the UK 790 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:57.760 or Canada in the last four years? You know, what 791 00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:59.800 have you done in the twenty twenties, because that's really 792 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.679 the the point of testing, you know, to say, if 793 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:04.719 you really get this and what did you do? Do 794 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:06.559 you go along with it even if you understood it? 795 00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.000 Or did they completely fool you or did they get 796 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:11.440 you to comply with it even though you knew what 797 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.079 was wrong? You know, take a look at that. So 798 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.519 what do you think about these these last four years? 799 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.719 And what we just saw at the Republican Convention? Were 800 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:20.440 they just kind of seemed to ignore what happened in 801 00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.320 twenty twenty except for the election of course? 802 00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:27.039 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean there was a huge, huge 803 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.440 elephant in that auditorium at the RNC, and I just 804 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.679 can't believe the American people. I shouldn't even preface it 805 00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:35.840 by saying I can't believe because after what I saw 806 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.760 in twenty twenty and the caving to all of this, 807 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.039 the masks, those shots, the whole bit by so many 808 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.480 Americans really stunned me at the time. And it shouldn't 809 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.639 surprise me anymore that they're allowing themselves to be you know, 810 00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:52.119 memory hold and they're just so many people are just 811 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.840 going forward. And here's the thing, David, when I say 812 00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:58.760 to people, you know, this is crazy. I point out 813 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.280 things about Trump. He's hiring all the wrong people. Again. 814 00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.840 You know, we saw it in DC in the first term. 815 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:06.400 You know, people say to me, well, what are you 816 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.280 going to do, doctor Jane, You know, go vote for Biden. 817 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.239 They're missing the whole point. They're missing the whole point 818 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:15.079 because you don't have elections. And actually there's a third 819 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:18.920 choice between Trump Biden. And the third choice is how 820 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:22.480 about holding Trump accountable? How about making him a better candidate? Right, 821 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:23.920 I'm sure you agree with that. 822 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.800 Oh, nobody wants to criticize it, criticize you see what happens. 823 00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.480 I mean, even the guy in the Virginia who was 824 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.760 head of the Freedom Caucus. Simply for endorsing dysantis. He 825 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.159 was excommunicated from the Republican Party. 826 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:41.159 Right, so much for you know, freedom of thought and 827 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:44.119 freedom of speech. But to get back to your original question, 828 00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.840 I mean you you actually touched on I was fascinated 829 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.760 again by your first segment. You touched on two of 830 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.920 my favorite topics. If you don't mind, I'll go into 831 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.400 those sure a little bit, maybe from a you know, 832 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.320 additional angles. You know the PCR tests. Many people have 833 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:02.400 forgotten it. First of all, let me take a broader stand. 834 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:08.400 There is no validated test on the planet to diagnose 835 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.920 any flu or differentiate one flu from another. So people 836 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.400 go yes, But and I say, well, well whoa bring 837 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.280 yourself back to the beginning. Let me repeat what I 838 00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.760 just said and try to grasp what I just said. 839 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.719 When I try to educate people to validate an instrument, 840 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:26.719 if I hold up my pen and I say this 841 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.599 is going to make your eggs tomorrow morning, David, I 842 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.559 have to test it for validity. Does it make eggs? 843 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:32.760 Right? 844 00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:34.559 I know I'm being a little silly, but we get 845 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.639 the point across. But the second part of validity studies 846 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.039 is reliability. Okay, let's say this pen magically gets up 847 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.880 tomorrow morning it makes David Knight's eggs, But does it 848 00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.079 do it every morning or the majority of mornings? That's 849 00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.440 your reliability. There is none of that testing on this. 850 00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.519 In addition to the inventor carry Mollis as we all 851 00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:55.920 know by now, who said it's not diagnostic, and you 852 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.239 did a great job of explaining why you can get 853 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.360 down to those molecular levels really not seeing anything, which 854 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.400 is what he was trying to say. But the CDC 855 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:06.880 itself in a sleight of hand kind of In twenty 856 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:11.639 twenty one, July recalled the PCR and people, people just 857 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.239 you know, people call me to this day. You know, hey, 858 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.000 I got sick over the weekend and I got a 859 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.800 COVID test and it was positive. What, Oh my god, David, 860 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:21.079 my head wants to explode. 861 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.800 Yeah, I know, I know, it's right. It's just like that. 862 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.360 It's as ridiculous as a mask. Got you understand what 863 00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:28.760 it's about exactly. 864 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.440 I tried to tell people early on, the only time 865 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.280 I did work in a hospital, I did take care 866 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:38.280 of patients independently. I have assisted in surgeries. My specialty 867 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.480 was cardiology I assisted in bypassed graphs. The only time 868 00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.039 we wore a mask, or two times in a hospital 869 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:46.760 if you're in the o R so in case you 870 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.639 have a reflexive sneeze, you don't spit into somebody's open guy. 871 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.159 Or if they were on medications to suppress their immune 872 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.519 of capabilities because they got an organ transplant. Those are 873 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.239 the only two times we ever wore a mask because 874 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.639 we knew that it had no other purpose. So anyway 875 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:09.199 to the PCR, and it's the gift that keeps giving because, 876 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.800 like you said it, without the PCR, you don't have cases. 877 00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.400 You can't gin up H five on one, you can't 878 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.519 gin up COVID two point three or whatever it's going 879 00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:21.920 to be. And so that's my little spiel on the PCR. 880 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.280 And you know, let me just add to you know, Faucci, 881 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:27.880 you know, coming from that field, he knew that they 882 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.760 had a problem in terms of show me this or 883 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.920 show me that during the real science. And it was 884 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:36.559 a perfect answer for that, you know, using it to 885 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.639 push HIV, which is where the big fight was between 886 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:43.679 him and most. But it gave this veneer that you 887 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:47.039 could actually observe and do real science with it. And 888 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:50.039 that's the fundamental lie that he was able to exploit, 889 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.480 from AIDS to COVID, that he built his career, and 890 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:56.519 he built all of these deceptions on the PCR test 891 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:57.840 truly is amazing. 892 00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.960 Yes, yes he did. And a lot of innocent animals 893 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:06.119 and millions of innocent people died, especially in third world countries, 894 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.400 but all over, including in the United States. And just 895 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.519 to wrap up on the RNC, that was the absurdity 896 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:17.239 was that there was no touching on the COVID nineteen 897 00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:20.480 shots as biological weapons, which has been proven over and 898 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:24.480 over again by countless analysts and scientists, the role of 899 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:26.960 the DoD You know, in my quest, I put out 900 00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:29.800 a tweet a while ago, David, and I said, think 901 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.000 about this, why don't you ask Trump when they gin 902 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:35.960 up H five N one and they throw it in 903 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.840 your face and you create your new panel, what are 904 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:41.280 you going to do differently? Because if he says nothing, 905 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.519 you know you got your deep state guy. He's just 906 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:48.039 picking all the wrong people. I know we'll get into 907 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:49.599 that in a minute, but I want to touch on 908 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:53.039 my second favorite topic that you covered if I could earlier, 909 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:56.599 and that was McCullough. I've been on to Peter McCullough 910 00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.480 for over two years. And here's here. You know, my 911 00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:02.760 dubious distinction is no one. They can come after me, David. 912 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.360 They can call me names, they can call me fake, 913 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.840 they can disparage my credentials, but they've never proven me wrong. 914 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:10.719 And I called him out two two and a half 915 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.800 years ago because I was in a private telegram chat 916 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.199 C nineteen expert group that he created himself, and in 917 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.960 that chat, David one day, to my astounding, he posted 918 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:24.079 a communication to us with some data on nova vacs. 919 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.360 When nova vacs first came out, right, it's also a 920 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.800 biological weapon. It gets to the mRNA in your body, 921 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.960 but through a different mechanism, different story. And I questioned 922 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.199 in front of everyone, well why are you promoting it's 923 00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:41.679 not a vaccine and it's another weapon, and boom. I 924 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.920 was blocked from that group shortly after that. You have 925 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:47.280 to understand, we were doing each other's podcasts, we were friendly, 926 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:51.159 we were colleagues, so it really was a huge red 927 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:54.199 flag for me. There are three problems I have with him. 928 00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.760 First of all, he's taken. If you look at Chuck 929 00:52:56.800 --> 00:53:02.119 Grassley's Sunshine Act, the website is OpenPayments dot CMS dot gov, 930 00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:06.519 the government's repository for money. Every time I took a 931 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.480 physician out in my pharmaceutical role, I was in the 932 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.239 industry for twenty years, as you probably know, we had 933 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.800 to file some paperwork with the CMS and we had 934 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:17.519 to you know, if I took out doctor Jim Smith 935 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:19.840 and it was a two hundred dollars bill, I had 936 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.199 to file that, so they keep those accumulated. He has 937 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:27.039 taken since twenty fifteen five point five million dollars and 938 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:31.960 it's not that's in addition to research grants. Now, by comparison, 939 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:36.679 the late doctor Zelenko, just as a comparator, in that 940 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:40.480 same five year period took about six hundred dollars from 941 00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:42.639 pharma over over seven or eight years. That's like a 942 00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:48.440 sandwich a year, right, So that's number one big farm, 943 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.599 and you know they expect something for that money, as 944 00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.599 you know, David. So what has he done. He's pushed 945 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:59.599 a very dangerous ant, supposed anti viral called paslavit. Paslavid 946 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.960 is two anti virals, norma trelvir and written avir. Written 947 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:05.320 vir has a black box warning and has had it 948 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.400 for years by the FDA. It's highest warning level for 949 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.400 a drug before they pull it right, and so it's 950 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.880 very dangerous. And you have Albert Borla coming on promoting 951 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:18.199 off label, saying, yeah, if it doesn't work the first time, 952 00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.039 take another round of it. Where are your studies for that? 953 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:23.199 There? 954 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.480 Taking? Tell you over taking it. 955 00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:28.679 Keep filling that scrap you'll be fine. 956 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.440 Wow. 957 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:31.599 And that's against the law, by the way, that's off 958 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.360 label promotion by a commercial agent of a company. In 959 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.639 contrast to how I knew there was a problem in 960 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:41.039 twenty twenty, I'm a prescriber as a nurse practitioner, so 961 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.079 I understood the lie right away when they said, well, 962 00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.360 I got sick myself, and I said to my doctor 963 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:49.960 in March of twenty twenty, okay, just phone in the hydroxychloroquin. 964 00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.440 You know, we weren't aware of ivermectin at the time 965 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.519 and its effectiveness. And he said to me, I can't 966 00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:59.519 do that. I'll lose my license. What there's no law 967 00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:03.199 that prohibit it's a prescriber from prescribing off label. The 968 00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:07.440 illegality comes in, of course, when a company, whether you're 969 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.239 on the medical side or the commercial side, promoting something 970 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.679 other than that for which the drug was approved. They 971 00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.400 can't companies can't do that, right, So he pushes Packsloviy. 972 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.920 He's got a protocol, David for COVID, right, like you 973 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:23.840 said in your first segment. He loves that narrative, that vaccine, 974 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:28.920 virus and narrative, so he promotes. And then the NATO 975 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:35.639 Kain story. It's associated with fibrint. There aren't there no proof. 976 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.320 And by the way, David, like you mentioned in the 977 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.599 first segment, when he throws those studies at you, I 978 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.079 want to tell the general public, please don't be intimidated 979 00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.119 by that, because half of what he throws at you, 980 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.280 if you really read beyond the title, is like you said, 981 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.400 a facsimile of a segment or a sequence. It has 982 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.800 nothing to do. And where's your instrument? I said to him, 983 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.320 where's the instrument? Remember good science, you measure before, then 984 00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.519 you give your own powder, then you measure it after. Right, 985 00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:06.280 where's your instrument that you're using, Peter to measure your 986 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.960 pre and post spike proteins and a landline plane. Here 987 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:13.320 if they've never proven that this virus exists, and I'm 988 00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.760 all about that, I have not seen it proven to me, 989 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.440 and its whole and pure form from an ill individual 990 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:20.800 then how do you believe in the spike protein? How 991 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.119 do you believe in a portion of something for which 992 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.679 the whole has never been demonstrated? 993 00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:28.280 Oh yeah, yeah, it absolutely is amazing. And when I 994 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:30.960 looked at the way they were describing the mr and 995 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.000 A at the very beginning, and it's like, oh, okay, 996 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:34.519 so it's going to go in here and it's going 997 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:38.239 to start replicating itself, and where's the off switch? It 998 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.079 sounds awful lot like cancer, you know, and what is 999 00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:43.239 this thing that is making in your body? But that 1000 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.239 was their whole narrative, you know, that's the way MODERNA 1001 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.599 described it. It's like, yeah, we're gonna we can do 1002 00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.360 this really fast, President Trump, because we'll turn people's bodies 1003 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.519 into manufacturing facilities. And it's like, okay, let's stop right there. 1004 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:56.760 That's enough for a moment. 1005 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:01.880 And here's the most egregious thing. His latest stunt promoting 1006 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:06.840 another RNA synthetic lab in Silico created god knows what 1007 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.119 it is to go in after the next the previous one, 1008 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:13.280 and people are saying to it, what is that? 1009 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.760 What is that? That is the other m RNA that 1010 00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:17.480 he's promoting. 1011 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:22.119 It's called si RNA and it stands for sit down, everybody, 1012 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:27.480 small interfering. Isn't that convenient? And it's so genius that 1013 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.840 the first one was not genius and it was able. 1014 00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.719 This this one, though, David is able to go target 1015 00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.400 what the first one did and then reverse the damage. 1016 00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.679 That's a fairy tale. There's no science behind that. And 1017 00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:43.800 where are the double blind will seeble controlled trials before 1018 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:47.400 and after for this si r NA. He is so 1019 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.400 in the thick of farmer's grip it's not even funny. 1020 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.280 Well, I had a big problem with him and anybody 1021 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:58.079 who is promoting this this Lablak theory, you know, or 1022 00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.480 deliberately leaking it out scare people to gain a function stuff, 1023 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.199 because as far as I'm concerned, that is a red 1024 00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:08.000 herring to keep people away from looking at the effects 1025 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.039 of the vaccine. What do you think about that? 1026 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:12.840 I think it's one hundred percent true. There are actually 1027 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.360 two biological weapons. One is used innermntently and that was 1028 00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.599 what was created, I believe from the paperwork and the 1029 00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:23.039 documentation by at Fort Dietrich by the DoD and they 1030 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.679 use it to drop I don't know when an aerosol 1031 00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:28.400 way or something to show pockets of illness. Then they 1032 00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:31.800 create these cases and everything, but the major biological weapon. 1033 00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:34.840 If you look at the work of Catherine Watt, Sasha 1034 00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:36.360 a lot of pove and by the way, doctor Mike 1035 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:38.840 Eden is a mentor of mine as well. He's the 1036 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:44.400 head of their investigative group called Team Enigma. This Pfizer 1037 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.360 even admitted it in the motion to dismiss argument and 1038 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.000 Theacks Brockjacks and whistleblowercase. Hey, we weren't making a pharmaceutical product. 1039 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:56.039 We were making a military prototype. So there's no labilyeral. 1040 00:58:56.400 --> 00:59:00.079 Your DoD which is a reco operation just laundering, in 1041 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:03.760 laundering and laundering money is actually produced these shots and 1042 00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:06.440 the material. And here's a scary part, David, we have 1043 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:08.559 more than just h fight on one. You had Albert 1044 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:10.440 Burl a year and a half ago. I tried to 1045 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:13.639 warn the public admitting in a Davos interview that the 1046 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.119 fall of twenty twenty three would have seasonal flu shots 1047 00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:20.679 made entirely of this mRNA poison and god knows what 1048 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:27.920 else it's in in injection form, botox, ladies, fillers, childhood schedule. 1049 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.320 They don't even hide it. It's in the childhood schedule 1050 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.480 multiple multiple times. So this is a very frightening time 1051 00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:35.239 for people not to be paying attention. 1052 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.280 It surely is, you know. And when you look at it, 1053 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:43.039 everything is going into everything is going into drugs to 1054 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.440 control all the stuff about Ozmpic and everything in wegavy 1055 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:49.960 and you know, well, you can't control our hunger. So 1056 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.840 let's come up with an injection. What's in that? You know. 1057 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.440 It's absolutely amazing to see how trusting people are. They 1058 00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:01.079 trust the government, they trust the press, they trust the science, 1059 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.840 which is what you're supposed to do, right, just trust 1060 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:05.079 the science, yell. 1061 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.360 And let me bring it back to President Trump and JD. 1062 01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:13.360 Vance really quickly. The guy is entrudged in numerous companies, 1063 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:17.519 by the way, with his buddy Vivic. Vivic and his 1064 01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:23.519 brother Shankar Ramaswami's Mammy Ramaswami provided them with all these opportunities, 1065 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.719 and you have they're all in together and they're making 1066 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.760 millions right now in companies that are going to generate 1067 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.159 more mRNA David, where are we going? 1068 01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:36.000 Oh yeah, oh, it's really it really concerns me when 1069 01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.440 you look at Peter Teel and Peter Tiel and Elon 1070 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:43.039 Musk are really excellent at manipulating the Conservatives. You know, 1071 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:44.920 you had Teal come out and say, yeah, I don't 1072 01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.159 like those people at Davos, and yet he's a permanent 1073 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.039 fixture at Bilderberg, you know, he Alex carp and these 1074 01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:53.639 other people like that, they're always there. And when you 1075 01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:57.199 look at what they want to do in terms of technocracy, 1076 01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:58.599 I think one of the key things is people just 1077 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:00.800 don't understand what the technocracy is. They want to try 1078 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.920 to pigeonhole people into some categories political categories that they 1079 01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:08.599 already know about. Oh well, their conservative or their socialist, 1080 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.760 or their Marxist or this or that are a populist. 1081 01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:14.360 But the technocracy thing is a completely different deal. And 1082 01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.599 what confuses them, I think is that it's got you know, 1083 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.119 it's got a little bit of this, and it's got 1084 01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:20.800 a little bit of that, but it's got its own thing. 1085 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.639 And you know, these people seek to rule the world 1086 01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:28.440 through their technological prowess and their inventions and that type 1087 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:32.480 of thing. And it is a very dangerous, i would 1088 01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:35.239 say satanic move to think that they're going to become 1089 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:37.719 like God, they're going to live forever, They're going to 1090 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.199 transfer themselves in machines. I mean, that's where they ultimately go. 1091 01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:43.480 Peter til is right there with Singularity. It is absolutely 1092 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:48.639 amazing to see jd. Vance is now this acolyte of 1093 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.480 this guy who really you know, put him in, put 1094 01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:55.639 him into politics, put him into venture capital and all 1095 01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:57.559 this other kind of stuff. And Peter Till is a 1096 01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:02.440 guy who created the Singularity Foundation. It's just amazing, unbelievable. 1097 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.639 Yeah, it is amazing that people, even though we've tried 1098 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.480 to make the connections for them, that the American people, 1099 01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:11.440 it is true. Trump was truly right in twenty fifteen 1100 01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.800 or twenty sixteen when he said I could step out 1101 01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.039 in Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and they'd still love 1102 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:18.559 me and they defend me. And you know what, He's 1103 01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:20.960 been proven right over and over and over again. They 1104 01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:24.960 just can't get off the sicophant to look. And I've said, 1105 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:27.119 what is he going to do differently if you won't 1106 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.199 address the issue now of the way warp Speed went 1107 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:31.880 by the way. I don't know if people know the 1108 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.079 state of but warp Speed is in full operation. It 1109 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.519 is offices and resources and budgets and it's humming along. 1110 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:39.960 Where do you think it's going? 1111 01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:43.119 Yeah, all the scary you know, all this stuff that 1112 01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:46.679 they put it in place, and it is just it 1113 01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:48.920 continues if you don't root it out. It's like this 1114 01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:52.079 weed and it's putting down deeper and deeper roots and 1115 01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:54.639 it's going to just sprout up in a big way. 1116 01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:57.639 And that's the way all of these bureaucratic programs are 1117 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.239 once you put something in. You know, going back to Reagan, 1118 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.840 when he got in, he's the Department of Education was 1119 01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.760 created during the election year of nineteen eighty. Well, I'm 1120 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.480 going to get rid of that. He didn't get rid 1121 01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:12.639 of it, and by the time he left it was gigantic. 1122 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:15.119 And so we're going to see that with these guys 1123 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.239 that just headed off to each other in kind of 1124 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.440 a professional wrestling tag team match, isn't it. 1125 01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.440 Well, when you think about it, I mean we currently 1126 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.800 have I have military intelligence friends that are on our 1127 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:29.119 side that have said to me for a year now, Jane, 1128 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:33.320 there are people inside the West Wing, the Executive Office Building, 1129 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.320 which is on the White House grounds and in the 1130 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:38.639 White House that literally have offices that are from the 1131 01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:42.719 CCP that are the domestic enemies are just as dangerous 1132 01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.239 the Peter Thiels, in my estimation and one of the 1133 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:47.519 thought I had about Elon Musk. I don't know if 1134 01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:50.920 you've thought about this, but the fact that starlink is 1135 01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.480 so available in Sheep and everybody wants it in their house, 1136 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:57.119 And I'm thinking to myself, guy, Starlink, neurallink. Maybe if 1137 01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.760 you put this thing in your house, what's the same. 1138 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:02.920 Maybe it does something with your wife. Why would you 1139 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:03.559 want to take the. 1140 01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.800 Yeah, it's funny when I when I saw that and 1141 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:09.519 saw the links and everything, it made me think. I 1142 01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.079 haven't talked about it, but it is like a predictive program. 1143 01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:14.920 What was it, Carl Travis? Was that the Kingsman or 1144 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.440 something where at one point they flipped the switch on 1145 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:21.639 the satellite thing and you know, everybody flips out and 1146 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:24.280 goes nuts and starts killing each other. You know. And 1147 01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.079 of course they begin all of this stuff when they're 1148 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:30.280 in a church, so that the hero has to fight 1149 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.559 off and kill these people in church. You know, they 1150 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.639 just instantly the flip, the switches flipped, and they start 1151 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.239 attacking him. Yeah, it's funny how they come up with 1152 01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:40.920 this crazy stuff. And I tell people all the time 1153 01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:43.719 that the big mistake that we make is that we 1154 01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:46.519 I guess we'd say, if we were George W. Bush 1155 01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:50.960 would say, we misunderestimate the the technology these people have 1156 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:53.239 and how evil they are. You know, they are morally 1157 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:57.360 capable of anything, and they're pretty close to technologically capable 1158 01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.400 of anything, and so that's the that's well what we're 1159 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:00.880 up against. 1160 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:04.639 I think, Yeah, I totally agree with you. It's difficult 1161 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:08.239 to strike a balance between thinking, look, they had the 1162 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:11.480 military had the Internet years before we even knew it existed. 1163 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:13.880 So it's kind of a fear factor of oh my gosh, 1164 01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.840 what do they have now that we don't even know about. 1165 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.880 But I want to balance that with maybe they have 1166 01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:23.119 less than we think they do, and maybe it's they 1167 01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:26.880 confabulate it with the fear factor we've seen so much. 1168 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:30.440 But it just it just concerns me and going into 1169 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.800 this election, I don't believe. I've said many times in 1170 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:39.679 my social media we don't have elections anymore. And here's 1171 01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.920 one of the key of features. You know, Trump got 1172 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:47.920 taken out by three things right, technically, internet connected voting machines, 1173 01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.880 two weeks of early voting, in those two thousand meal dropboxes. 1174 01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:55.719 He never said a word about them. Right in this 1175 01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.599 election cycle, the three things that took them out, and 1176 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:00.920 those three things are still in place in most counties. 1177 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:04.199 We have twenty thousand drop boxes in Palm Beach County alone, 1178 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:07.000 sitting in front of DMVs and other public realism. I'm 1179 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:09.320 looking at these things, going why is this still here? 1180 01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:13.199 Oh? Yeah, all this stuff is still there? And what 1181 01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:14.800 do you think? I mean, I'm looking at this and 1182 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:19.039 the passions are being escalated on both sides now, especially 1183 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:23.000 after there was, you know, the shooting of the Trump rally. 1184 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:25.360 I don't know what to call it, but after there 1185 01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:27.719 was a shooting of the Trump rally, everybody is like, Okay, 1186 01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:32.559 that's it, and they are just ready to have a 1187 01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:36.119 war if they lose. And that's why I've been describing 1188 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.440 Trump as as kind of the Mason Dixon line for 1189 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:41.159 a new civil war. Both sides want to fight over 1190 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:45.079 him if he doesn't win. Yeah, I'm concerned about what 1191 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:46.480 do you think about that? I mean, you know, they 1192 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:48.800 could easily manipulate us into a civil war just by 1193 01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.400 manipulating the election, which is a very concerning thing because 1194 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:52.519 we know how they manipulate the. 1195 01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:58.000 Election and a civil war, you know, massive civil unrest 1196 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.000 gives them exactly the excuse. They need for a more 1197 01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:06.360 blatant I say, more blatant martial law and lock down. Hey, 1198 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:07.599 they're not going to get us to do it for 1199 01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:10.079 a virus. Again, they know we're not going to go 1200 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.880 for it, even people that are not completely aware. But 1201 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.079 so they have to go about it in a different way. 1202 01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:19.400 We have no excuse or we have no other option. 1203 01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.760 You're rioting in the streets. We have to protect people. 1204 01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:21.920 You know. 1205 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:25.079 Again it's always under protecting people. But you know, David, 1206 01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:27.639 I got to bring up that ear bandage. Can I 1207 01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:28.719 just say a word about it? 1208 01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:29.679 Yeah? 1209 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.519 Yeah, I've got my doubts as well. What do you 1210 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:32.840 think about the air bandage? 1211 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:35.599 First of all, if your ear got grazed, and there's 1212 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.440 two stories it got grazed, there was so much blood 1213 01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.159 that it was all over. But if it got grazed, 1214 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:44.760 what do you need that giant batch for? You need 1215 01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:49.000 the patch because there's nothing wrong with your ear exactly. 1216 01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:51.000 But you got people out there in the audience they're 1217 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.039 wearing the patch and on it says fight fight fight. 1218 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.440 They wrote that put a piece of paper on their 1219 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:57.840 air says fight fight fight. I look at it. There 1220 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:02.199 was somebody who did a testa and these guys were, 1221 01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.440 you know, all about Trump, and you know, they were 1222 01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:09.440 not trying to debunk Trump at all. But what they 1223 01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:14.639 had was a head that had this gel like material 1224 01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:16.560 that was like human flesh. They would use it for 1225 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:18.680 ballistics and stuff like that, and the skeleton that you 1226 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:20.840 could see inside the head. And they put a red 1227 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:24.399 magat cap on it, right, and so, uh so they've 1228 01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:26.359 got this and they're you know, they get a little 1229 01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:29.279 bit closer range so they can actually make this shot 1230 01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.840 and they get a shot in the ear and it 1231 01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:35.239 and they come back and go, wow. I was surprised 1232 01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:38.159 because they had a very very fast camera that was 1233 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:39.840 on it, so you could see this bullet in slow 1234 01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.800 motion going through it and it opened up a big hole. 1235 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:45.560 And they surprised that the day was that it did. 1236 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:47.479 And it's like, yeah, and I'm looking at these pictures 1237 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:50.000 and I see red, but I don't see any hole 1238 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:53.079 or anything torn or anything missing. As the bullet hitting 1239 01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:56.720 his ear. It really uh you know, like I said, 1240 01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:58.399 I don't know what to call this thing. And we've 1241 01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:00.079 got a lot of different theories out there about a 1242 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.039 lot of different things. But I got my doubts about 1243 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:05.199 all of it. I'm just concerned about how it's going 1244 01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:08.319 to be used, and how it's being used is to 1245 01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.199 really again ramp up everybody around Trump for and against 1246 01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.880 and things like that, you know, And it's and so 1247 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:19.560 this whole election when we talk about election corruption, I 1248 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:21.720 used to be involved in third party politics, and so 1249 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.079 I know about the ballot when everybody was talking about 1250 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:25.680 and said, well, look, you know he put the vote 1251 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:29.119 by mail stuff in, and you know, we knew about 1252 01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:32.039 the vulnerabilities with machines and the internet. We could have 1253 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:35.399 done something about it. We didn't. And then we add 1254 01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:37.640 this new thing about that. But I said, all the 1255 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:42.479 election corruption begins with the ballot. Anal, look at what 1256 01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.439 is happening with a ballot. All these people who voted 1257 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.079 in the primaries, and of course they did anything they 1258 01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:48.760 could to shut down the primaries. Now they're just going 1259 01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:50.960 to overturn all that and they're going to do their 1260 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.800 own thing in a couple of weeks, just hand select candidates, 1261 01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:57.319 because it is a selection. It's not an e election, 1262 01:09:58.239 --> 01:09:58.760 not at all. 1263 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:02.399 And I mean, if anybody thinks there are real elections 1264 01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:07.239 since what you witnessed in twenty twenty, you just aren't 1265 01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:11.239 paying attention, and I knew something was very wrong. I'd 1266 01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:14.239 been very devoted to Trump as a candidate as a 1267 01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:17.479 president in the prior and I knew something was wrong. 1268 01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:20.079 On the five o'clock on January sixth, and I'll tell 1269 01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:23.239 you why he came out. I call it the Isis speech. 1270 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:25.279 You know, you know when you get they got caught 1271 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.600 by Isis and they threw an American in like a jumpsuit, 1272 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:29.199 and the person would stand there and say, I'm Jim 1273 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:31.960 Smith and I hate America, and I'm you know, they 1274 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.680 were under duress. He just looked. He had that black 1275 01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:36.239 coat on. He was in front of the Rose Garden 1276 01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:38.119 and he said, look, we know it was stolen, but 1277 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:39.600 you got to go home now. And I'm thinking got 1278 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:41.960 to go home now. Our country was just stolen and 1279 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:45.439 a coup. Why would we go home. I'm not saying violence. 1280 01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:49.239 I'm saying whatever, but have a different solution. And if 1281 01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:52.159 you thought you if you believed you won, David, if 1282 01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:55.159 you believed you won from the people, we the people 1283 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:57.720 in the United States the presidency, would you have ever 1284 01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:00.920 walked out of that building. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And 1285 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:03.119 I'll tell you the other thing that made me suspicious 1286 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:07.159 about this event with the ear shooting is look, he's 1287 01:11:07.159 --> 01:11:10.479 been attacked before, and you've seen him taken off stage. 1288 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:14.399 They immediately surround that. He didn't come back on after 1289 01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:16.319 that one time where they took him off at the 1290 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:18.640 back of the stage, he didn't come back and yeah, 1291 01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:20.840 raw rah no, they whisked him away and that was 1292 01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:23.640 the end of it. This one so strange. You're gonna 1293 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:28.920 raise your arm Reagan style and expose your trunk in 1294 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:31.039 your underarm where they can get into your heart with 1295 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.119 a shot. I don't think so they knew he wasn't 1296 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.680 in danger, David, so I just wanted to mention that 1297 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:37.000 to him. 1298 01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:40.079 Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of funny watching Bill Maher saying, 1299 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:42.800 you know, wow, look at that. He's a luckiest guy 1300 01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:46.600 in the world. And he was serious about he wasn't 1301 01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:49.680 really being cynical about it, but he says, he gets 1302 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:52.000 up there and he does this, you know, fight, fight, fight, 1303 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:55.079 and he goes, that's amazing. He goes, take one, we 1304 01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:59.479 got it. You know this looks like and I said, yeah, 1305 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.920 that's what that was my thought exactly. It was almost 1306 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.600 like they rehearsed it. Take one, We're done. You know 1307 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:07.960 it was. It was amazing. Yea, actually, well your point. 1308 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:10.960 I absolutely agree. I'm concerned about how it's being used 1309 01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:13.840 and going to be used going forward. They've got them 1310 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:15.800 locked up, those sickophants. 1311 01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:18.840 Yeah, yeah, it is. It is strange, and they cannot 1312 01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:22.920 It's the you know, when all the stuff started back 1313 01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:25.359 in twenty twenty, I said, you know, the entire country 1314 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:27.960 has become OCD. They've scared everybody to death. Nobody wanted 1315 01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:31.359 to touch a you know, the pump and the gas, 1316 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:33.359 you know, put the gas in their car. You know, 1317 01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:35.760 everybody's afraid to even do that. I said, the entire 1318 01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:38.920 nation has become psychotic with this OCD stuff. And we 1319 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:43.760 have this situation with the people who are so focused 1320 01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:49.560 on Trump and they cannot make these connections. You know, 1321 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:53.199 they absolutely hate the vaccine, but they can't and won't 1322 01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:57.000 connect it to him. It's an amazing double think, isn't it. 1323 01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.720 It is an incredible double think. The excuse is that 1324 01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:03.399 people will come out actually show the pathology of their 1325 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:08.319 inability to make the connections. Like for example, when people say, oh, 1326 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:11.520 he was not telling you to take the shots. When 1327 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:15.479 he told you to take the shots, he was telling 1328 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.680 you to think, look between the lines and don't take 1329 01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:22.479 the shots. Go take Ivermectin. Well that's like four leaps. 1330 01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:24.279 I don't even know how you get there. But it 1331 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:28.640 is such as an incessant, just burning desire to cover 1332 01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:31.920 for this man. Even when he starts to talk about 1333 01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:37.039 making Larry Fink, the CEO of Black Rock, his treasury. 1334 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.920 Secretary, well he was going to be Hillary's a treasury secretary, 1335 01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:42.800 you know, when she was so far out in front 1336 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:47.399 in twenty sixteen, they said, you know, they were talking 1337 01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:50.159 about how they're going to fill out her cabinet, and 1338 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:52.399 it was going to be Larry Fink was going to 1339 01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:55.880 be treasury secretary, just like for Trump. That's why I 1340 01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.640 say there's no difference between these people that you're going 1341 01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.199 to get the same government, because the government is going 1342 01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:03.880 to be the personnel, are going to be the policy, 1343 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:05.520 and you put these people in, you're going to get 1344 01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:09.079 the policy of Black Rock and Larry Fink. Whether it's 1345 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:11.560 Trump upfront or whether it's Hillary, it just makes it 1346 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.199 easier for them to control people. I've told these people 1347 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.279 that when we talk about the Ivermectin thing, well, you know, 1348 01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.399 he tried to tell us about ivermcten. I said, well, 1349 01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:23.079 why didn't he manufacture it? Look at all the trouble 1350 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.319 they went to to manufacture the ventilators and they were 1351 01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:29.479 killing people. He could have ivermectin was cheap to make, 1352 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:32.800 and they could you know, and it's not patented anymore. 1353 01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:35.199 He could have, first of all, could have used as 1354 01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:38.039 power say nobody is going to stop you from getting 1355 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:40.840 a prescription filled from a doctor. Didn't do that. But 1356 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:44.239 if he wants to take this proactive approach and make 1357 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.199 remedies some of the federal government, I don't know where 1358 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:47.760 you find that in the Constitution, But if he wants 1359 01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.479 to do that, then do it with ivermecten. But he didn't. 1360 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.039 He didn't do it with HGQ either. 1361 01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:58.640 Very disappointing, very disappointing, and in terms of surrounding himself 1362 01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:03.319 with the wrong people. We saw this in twenty seventeen. 1363 01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:05.960 It was such a disappointment. After his inauguration, I wrote 1364 01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:08.880 an article. I remember the website great Again dot gov 1365 01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:11.239 where everybody was so thrilled he was in. He said, 1366 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:13.279 they said President Trump wants to use all of the 1367 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:15.760 loyalists to come in, and a lot of these people 1368 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:19.439 got appointments in the administration. And then they started contacting 1369 01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:21.760 me because I had a little podcast in DC, and 1370 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:25.119 they said, doctor Jane, the holdovers are the Obama managers. 1371 01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:27.840 They're still here and they're writing us up and firing us. 1372 01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.239 So I wrote an article. Great, and then they said, oh, 1373 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:33.000 we lost the database. Remember that, the Shawn Spicer database. 1374 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:35.960 I mean I wrote a second article saying, hey, loyalists, 1375 01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:38.920 you're fired, because really, anybody who was loyal to him. 1376 01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:41.560 When I was in the Office of Presidential Correspondence in 1377 01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.479 his administration, I would say, oh, my gosh, isn't this great? 1378 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.279 President Trump? We got somebody in the way, and a 1379 01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:50.680 lot of them were from the Bush you know, era, 1380 01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:53.479 and the Obama era, and they just looked at me, 1381 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.640 and these were Republicans and whatever, and they looked at 1382 01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:58.720 me and they said, yeah, yeah, that's great. And they 1383 01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:01.319 walked down the hall I worked in the EEO B 1384 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:03.439 and I thought, why aren't they happy like me? 1385 01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:08.119 Yeah, because they realized that we got taxation without representation, 1386 01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:12.079 regulation with that representation. That's what's happening in Washington with 1387 01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:14.760 a bureaucracy. It's permanently there. Yeah. You know, when you 1388 01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:18.359 look at all this stuff and people, you know, he's 1389 01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:19.800 trying to warn us, he's trying to get us the 1390 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.840 good stuff. I mean, that was the issues that I 1391 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:25.119 had in Info Wars. Why things blew up there? You know, 1392 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:28.159 I was going to tell people that Trump's got another shot, 1393 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:29.640 you know, and it's the good shot, and all this 1394 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:31.479 other kind of stuff. It's crazy. And then when you 1395 01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:35.199 look at January the sixth, you know, it was December 1396 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:39.520 the fourteenth, it'd already had the Electoral College votes sent in, 1397 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:43.079 and at that point, you know, they could have done something, 1398 01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:44.960 as I've said many times in the audience, they could 1399 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:47.279 have done something at the state legislatures, but they didn't. 1400 01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:50.399 And so at that point it really was it really 1401 01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:53.039 was too late. But the whole thing, the whole genesis 1402 01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:56.119 of this is just based on such incredible lies. You know, 1403 01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:58.279 just a couple of days after the election, and even 1404 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:01.600 see Bennon talking about it to that group of people 1405 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.239 with the Chinese billionaire Guo telling them, yeah, on October 1406 01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:07.600 thirty first, he said, yeah, when it happens, we're just 1407 01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:10.399 going to tell everybody we want. And so that's the 1408 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.399 kind of thing that I'm concerned about, is that this 1409 01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:16.880 election is going to be used to push us into 1410 01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:21.439 more open conflict because they know the season that we're in, 1411 01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:24.840 and most people don't. Everybody talks about millennial this and 1412 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:26.520 boom er that and all the rest of the stuff. 1413 01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:28.439 But the people came up with a term millennial and 1414 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:30.720 gen Z and gen X and everything. They had a 1415 01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.359 very good theory about every eighty years everything turns around. 1416 01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:36.720 And we're in the center of that, right, and we've 1417 01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:39.079 only got about another four or five years for this 1418 01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:43.239 stuff to be finished. And they're looking at all the 1419 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:45.920 institutions being changed, and I think that's why we're seeing 1420 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:49.199 so much chaos and why everything is being thrown out there. 1421 01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:52.279 They understand, as Fauci did when he said in October 1422 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:54.039 twenty nineteen, how are we going to get everybody to 1423 01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:56.199 take a vaccine? He was asked at Milkin Institute, and 1424 01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.039 he said, well, we do it from the inside. We 1425 01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:01.760 do it with chaos, and we do it ineratively. That's 1426 01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:04.800 everything that they're doing right now. They're deliberately creating chaos 1427 01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:07.760 or the inside, and they're continually escalating that chaos. 1428 01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:12.880 Yeah, you know, you've often talked about the lockstep nature 1429 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:16.840 of this and that it goes across everything. One of 1430 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:19.560 the most the things I've been most outspoken about, and 1431 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:22.960 I've been unequivocal about it, it is the Congress. And 1432 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:25.439 when I say all five hundred and thirty five, I 1433 01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:28.399 don't care who has an affection for Thomas Massey. I've 1434 01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:31.000 already tussled with him and I've chanced because he's still 1435 01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:33.800 in the position. Anybody who stays there, it's like the 1436 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.560 nurses who stayed in the hospitals and the doctors. You 1437 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:40.520 are enabling this big, gigantic system to continue to kill people. 1438 01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:43.840 Whether you're doing it yourself physically or not, you are 1439 01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:46.359 enabling the system. And even though a few of them 1440 01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:49.319 raw raw. And I've gotten into private email tussles with 1441 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:52.640 Senator Ron Johnson. Happy to show those because they're actually 1442 01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:56.640 public information. In my opinion, it was an official email, 1443 01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:02.079 you know, by a government official where he feigned indignation, 1444 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.319 and I said, you're only using this for your next 1445 01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:07.359 reelection campaign. You may talk and have all these hearings, 1446 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:09.520 like you know Marjory Trader Green and some of these 1447 01:19:09.560 --> 01:19:11.920 other people you know who likes to stand in her bikini, 1448 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.640 but you're not going to do anything. You could have 1449 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:17.319 hauled this company, Feizer or Journal, all these companies in 1450 01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:19.640 you could tie them up in discovery. There's a lot 1451 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:22.119 you can do, even as one, you know, senator or 1452 01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:26.439 Representative David I tell people, don't even look to Congress. 1453 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:30.840 I told Brad Miller the Military Accountability Project friends of mine. 1454 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.279 I love my military. It's one of the reasons I 1455 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:36.479 came out in this whole thing four years ago. I've said, stop, 1456 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:40.079 you know, getting gaslighted by Congress, because they're going to 1457 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:41.720 take you to a few parties on the hill. I've 1458 01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:44.600 been there, done that, selfies with famous people, and you're 1459 01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:45.720 going to go home. They're not going to do a 1460 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:48.960 damn thing about the military that are still under mandates 1461 01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:51.439 in many areas of the military, and you know all that. 1462 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:54.000 But this this is a big concern. 1463 01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:57.560 And yeah, I always saw that with Trey Goudi, you know, 1464 01:19:57.640 --> 01:19:59.239 it's like, okay, so he's got all this, we have 1465 01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:01.600 ample I would it's about what happened with ben Gazians 1466 01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:03.239 that they do nothing about it. But he gets all this, 1467 01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:06.239 he gets grandstands with all this stuff, and then he 1468 01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:10.439 gets a talk show gig at Fox News, and you know, 1469 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:12.640 Jim Jordan, another one of these, Oh, let's hold a 1470 01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:14.640 hearing about that, and they'll never do anything. As you 1471 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:16.079 point out, they could tie them up in a lot 1472 01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:20.199 of different ways. They could cut the money to these people, 1473 01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:23.399 but they don't. That's their key weapon, and they keep 1474 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:26.920 funding everything, including you know, foreign wars and all the 1475 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:29.119 rest of the stuff that they complain about. All they 1476 01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:31.640 do is show these have these hearings. The argument that 1477 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:35.840 you made in terms of enabling them as one that 1478 01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:38.960 I've actually made about schools for example. You know, it's like, yeah, 1479 01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:42.359 we got good teachers, and unfortunately, many times what happens 1480 01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:45.199 is these these you know, when you have a good 1481 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:48.199 teacher in school that gets people let their guard down. 1482 01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:50.560 It's like, well, you know, yeah, but maybe they are 1483 01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:53.880 really an excellent teacher, but they can't really change that 1484 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:58.800 institution that's there. Instead, what it does is it builds 1485 01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:02.680 people's confidence and something that is really going to rip 1486 01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:05.760 their kids apart. And so I understand which argument is 1487 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:07.600 there about even. 1488 01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:11.760 No excuse, Yeah, no excuse you stay in Congress or 1489 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:16.000 enabling it every congress before them. The disillusionment has been 1490 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:19.399 so real, David. You know, Reagan was a beloved will 1491 01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:21.399 just take him as an example, such a beloved president, 1492 01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:23.840 but like you say, he blowed it up, you know, government, 1493 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:25.800 just like the rest of them. He gave us in 1494 01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:30.000 pharma immunity he gave us. He put that burden of 1495 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:33.319 compensation on the back of the American people. Despicable because 1496 01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:35.439 he cave to the pharma, you know Trump. I mean, 1497 01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:38.039 it just goes on and on and on. It's every president, 1498 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:41.800 it's every Congress. But we're living with this Congress right now. 1499 01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:44.279 And I just can't stand people like, you know, just 1500 01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:47.079 not realizing. I mean, you know, it's Trey Goudy's I 1501 01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:50.479 used to say, all hearings, no action, right like Texas, 1502 01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:54.359 you got all all had no cattle. You look rich, 1503 01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:56.800 but you're not really doing anything. You don't have any cattle. 1504 01:21:57.079 --> 01:21:58.680 And this is going to go on and on and 1505 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:00.600 and you know, David, I take the sling and arrows 1506 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.640 every day. You're this, you're fake, you're that, okay. And 1507 01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:07.680 then eventually when they see that Congress has allowed this 1508 01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:10.640 and they've been you know, by the way, they should 1509 01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:14.720 be incensed that Congress exempted themselves from these shots. Hello, 1510 01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:19.159 and their three thousand staffers and eight hundred what is 1511 01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:23.319 it eight hundred thousand Chinese Exchange students. How interesting. 1512 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:24.960 Well, I didn't know that. I didn't know about the 1513 01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:26.279 Chinese Exchange students. 1514 01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:30.640 Yep, there you go, wow, wow crazy. 1515 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:32.680 Yeah. Yeah, that's the smoking gun right there. So what 1516 01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:33.399 do you tell people? 1517 01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:34.000 You know? 1518 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:38.159 Where do you you know? We don't want to leave 1519 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.520 people hopeless with all this stuff. So what do you 1520 01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:43.680 tell people to focus on? I tell people, well, I'll 1521 01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:46.079 let you tell people what you focus on. 1522 01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:50.560 Well, I mean, like I said, you're my go to person, 1523 01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:54.039 and everything I share with the public is literally a 1524 01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:58.399 composite of people like you, good patriots, good Americans, and 1525 01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:01.600 people who are intelligent enough to figure this out. And 1526 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:03.439 you're right. I don't want to leave people with doom 1527 01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:08.720 and gloom. I passion up the negative, the scary stuff, 1528 01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:11.880 because because people need to wake up, they need to 1529 01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:14.600 really stop going to Johnny's soccer game and not giving 1530 01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:17.960 this more thought. But here's what I tell people. Okay, 1531 01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:22.600 then this none of us is going to change anything 1532 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.520 at the federal level. It's such a behemoth, it's such 1533 01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:29.079 a dangerous monster. We are being run by foreign and 1534 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:31.760 domestic enemies. There's every bit of evidence to show this. 1535 01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:34.760 It's all out there if you just take the time 1536 01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:38.000 to do it. So what does that mean? We all 1537 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.720 need to stay healthy mentally, physically, keep our families going 1538 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:46.800 because we need to survive in order to thrive. On 1539 01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:51.000 the other side of this, I am hopeful David Hope 1540 01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:54.199 is not a plan. I'm very much focused at what 1541 01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:57.800 I'm doing in my spheres. I have military intelligence, I 1542 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:01.079 have political intelligence, I have all kinds of resources that 1543 01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:04.720 I put together every day. And what we're all doing 1544 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:06.520 and talking about is, yes, I'm still going to help 1545 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:08.880 educate the public and do my thing a little bit, 1546 01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:11.640 but I'm going to focus more on the solutions, and 1547 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:14.880 for me, the solutions start local. I've said to people, 1548 01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:17.159 it's very basic, and I don't like when people throw 1549 01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:19.600 out meat and say, oh, it's local. Start there. So 1550 01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.399 let me give a couple of pieces of that. Look 1551 01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:25.760 around you now. I know it sounds silly. Who's got 1552 01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:29.640 an American flag on their home or apartment in your neighborhood? 1553 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:33.039 Who is of like mind that you already know in 1554 01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:35.720 your family you have people who hate you now because 1555 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:38.479 of this, and people who are of like mind. Your neighbors, 1556 01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:41.920 your family, get your community, get your barriers, set up, 1557 01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:46.720 not necessarily a fence, but hey, look if stuff goes south. Look, 1558 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:50.520 I'm a nurse practitioner, you're a carpenter, you're a loot. Okay, 1559 01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:53.119 we're going to support each other and create an infrastructure 1560 01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:56.359 parallel so that we can stay off of their grid 1561 01:24:56.399 --> 01:25:00.359 as much as possible. Off the grid is independent and 1562 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:02.840 you can protect yourselves. Maybe we won't see it in 1563 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:06.720 our lifetime. I don't think i'll see it. I'm way 1564 01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:10.520 too old, but I do believe that in it'll take 1565 01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:13.680 a generation or two and people will look back and say, boy, 1566 01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.600 they were right, they understood what we're doing. I'm glad 1567 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:19.720 we followed their lead because you need to survive this 1568 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:24.960 oncoming thing that's happening in our government, in our country 1569 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:27.960 in order to get to the other side. So yes, 1570 01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:31.319 you need to ask yourselves and your family if we 1571 01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:35.119 couldn't get to an on grid store for twelve months, 1572 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:37.319 let's go the worst possible that you could think of, 1573 01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:41.439 what would we eat? Where would we get the intermittent 1574 01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.800 power electricity? What do we have to protect our resources 1575 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:48.000 that we were smart enough? Right, So you better have 1576 01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:50.880 some firearms, you better have some perimeter and those kinds 1577 01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:53.720 of things that gives people working things to do that 1578 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:56.800 we'll come back to serve them. And then just don't 1579 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.560 send any money. Please, don't send money the RNC or 1580 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:00.720 to anybody, any congress. 1581 01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:02.319 Don't. 1582 01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:05.520 Yeah. For years, when they would send me a fundraising 1583 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:08.359 thing because of my registration whatever, I would take all 1584 01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:10.159 the paperwork and I would wrap it up in their 1585 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:12.560 postage paid return envelope and send it back to them 1586 01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:14.159 without putting anything on it. So I didn't know what 1587 01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:16.920 was coming from. It's like you pay for the postage send. 1588 01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:21.479 But yeah, I absolutely agree with that. You know, we 1589 01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.119 got to do this locally. It begins with us, and 1590 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:27.399 we need to have you know, we need to have 1591 01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:30.680 alliances with people. We need to learn that real prepping 1592 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:34.000 is really about skills. It's not just about accumulating stuff 1593 01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:37.239 and so and that's what I want people. That's why 1594 01:26:37.239 --> 01:26:39.439 I say, you know, when we look at the elections, 1595 01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.760 you know, it is a big distraction. It is a 1596 01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.239 big reality TV show, and I think it's there to 1597 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:48.399 distract us and to move us away from the things 1598 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:51.279 that we could do that would really make a difference. 1599 01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:54.600 And that is all local, all the things that are 1600 01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:56.039 going to make a difference, and we still have an 1601 01:26:56.039 --> 01:26:59.880 opportunity to do some things individually as well as even 1602 01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:02.319 in some areas you might have some ability to do 1603 01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:04.760 things at local government. Because we saw a big difference 1604 01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:08.840 and what was happening in twenty twenty with those lockdowns, 1605 01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:12.239 it was a big difference from place to place. I 1606 01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:14.840 traveled across the country and said that really hammered home 1607 01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:16.199 the point to me that you know, we need to 1608 01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:18.560 focus a little bit more on the local area. There 1609 01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:20.840 can be a lot of corruption anywhere that you go. 1610 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:23.359 I mean, we're dealing with people. There can be corruption, 1611 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:27.119 but there's also more of an opportunity to do something 1612 01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:29.720 at the local level. Even Elon Musk tried to explain 1613 01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:32.600 that to people that Soros was smart because he was 1614 01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:37.600 leveraging his money on local district attorneys and that is 1615 01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:39.279 a very cynical thing that he's doing, but it is 1616 01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:42.159 a good strategy because all politics is local, but your 1617 01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:44.680 life is really local. And if you don't have this 1618 01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:48.000 kind of a relationship with other people, and I would 1619 01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:51.479 also say a relationship with God, because I look at hope, 1620 01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:54.560 I'm looking at that as a confident expectation. That's my 1621 01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:58.439 groundings that's what I know that I can trust on 1622 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:00.880 and that anybody's going to take that away from me 1623 01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.439 no matter what happens life or death. And so you 1624 01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:07.239 got to have a foundation, you got to have relationships, 1625 01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:09.640 and you got to start building from the ground up 1626 01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:12.279 instead of from the top down everybody. That's the thing 1627 01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:16.039 that's so annoying to me is to see that conservatives 1628 01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:20.439 have bought into this idea of top down solutions from government. 1629 01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:22.800 They want the government, they want the president to do everything. 1630 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:25.880 It's just amazing, Savior. 1631 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.560 Conflex and I like I do want to spend a 1632 01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:33.439 few minutes talking about the Lord and your spirituality and 1633 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:36.800 how important that is right now because for those people 1634 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:41.079 David who did unfortunately make the wrong choice under dress, 1635 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.039 but it's clearly the wrong choice and took the shots, 1636 01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:47.600 that's not a judgment. I tell them, you must acknowledge 1637 01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:50.319 that you made the wrong or a very bad choice, 1638 01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:53.319 because otherwise you will fall forward again if you don't 1639 01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:56.199 believe you had the power to really choose. And then 1640 01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:58.920 you can start to forgive yourself. I made a mistake 1641 01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:01.159 that was wrong. I was trying to do something good 1642 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:04.039 and protect my family. But then you can then start 1643 01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:08.560 to heal spiritually and ask God for comfort and support 1644 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:13.159 and miracles of healing, and for forgiveness, for forgiveness for 1645 01:29:13.239 --> 01:29:17.359 not recognizing the delusion that He had sent so many 1646 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:17.840 of us. 1647 01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:20.399 That's what that's what we say. Our relationship with Christ 1648 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:22.520 is all about. Is about a new beginning, and it's 1649 01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:26.880 always about that new beginning starts with not trying to 1650 01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.239 just put it out away and ignore that it ever happened, 1651 01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:32.239 as they did at the R and C about twenty twenty. 1652 01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:36.359 It's about confronting that and acknowledging as you point out 1653 01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:38.600 mistakes so you don't make them again. But it's also 1654 01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:43.359 that is absolutely necessary that we come to grips with 1655 01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:46.119 the uncomfortable realities that we have in life, and that 1656 01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:50.000 includes our own uncomfortable reality. So that is absolutely important, 1657 01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:52.920 and that is what is missing from so many different things. 1658 01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:54.720 People will just run from these problems and you how 1659 01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:55.920 to confront them. 1660 01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:59.199 Yeah, and he's waiting, I think, for more people to 1661 01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:03.439 real what this is about and to come to him. Ultimately, 1662 01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:06.359 he wins and he knows what's going to happen and 1663 01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:09.239 why we're all here. I think, you know, one time 1664 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:11.680 I heard I was backstage and I was watched doctor 1665 01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.560 Zelenko go out. I was speaking after him, and he 1666 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:16.600 went out on stage and after the crowd came down, 1667 01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:19.760 he said something really shocking. He said, we are living 1668 01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:21.880 in the greatest time in history. And I thought, oh 1669 01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:23.840 my god, doctor z how could you say that? You know, 1670 01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:26.119 people are dying, the shots a whole bit and there 1671 01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:29.199 was a pause, and then he said, because we are 1672 01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:32.640 the enemy has revealed himself and we are about to 1673 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:34.560 see the light overcome the darkness. 1674 01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:34.920 Now. 1675 01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:38.520 Unfortunately, about a month later he passed away from his cancer. 1676 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:42.159 But which I have theories about that's another topic. But 1677 01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:45.520 I realized we're all here at this time, you know, 1678 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:49.479 in God's time, for this purpose. So everybody should try 1679 01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:51.880 to find that purpose and look around you and see 1680 01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:54.359 who you and what you can protect to help as 1681 01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:57.479 many people of God's children to get to the other side. 1682 01:30:57.560 --> 01:30:59.119 That's that's my whole feeling about it. 1683 01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:02.439 Yeah, it is an interesting time that we're living in. 1684 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:04.319 That's the old Chinese curse, you know, May you live 1685 01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:07.960 in interesting times. But that means that there are there 1686 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:12.439 are opportunities for us in this type of situation. It 1687 01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:16.159 is a time of testing. We always have tests that 1688 01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:17.520 are being given to us, so we don't know what 1689 01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:19.159 the purpose of it is. But really the purpose of 1690 01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:22.600 the test is really to find out what you know 1691 01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:24.920 about yourself, is to teach you about yourself. And you know, 1692 01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:27.479 God knows everything about us. He does we need to 1693 01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:29.680 know about ourselves, and that's really what kind of comes 1694 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:33.560 out of these tests. So it is a very difficult time. 1695 01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:36.600 It's an important time for people who are going to 1696 01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:40.640 just do their best. Anybody can be mistaken, but we 1697 01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:42.840 just have to do our best to tell people what 1698 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:46.479 is true. If we see something that is out there, 1699 01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:47.920 we need to warn them about it. That's what I 1700 01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:52.199 appreciate you doing that and telling people honestly, regardless of 1701 01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:55.119 how it's going to be received. You know, the truth 1702 01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:57.760 is the truth, and we have to tell people about that. 1703 01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:00.920 And I just want to say one lest thing in 1704 01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:05.560 terms of warning, big, big, big warning, everybody. Please this mRNA. 1705 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:09.399 You've got Vance, you know, invested with Ramaswami, you know, Vivid, 1706 01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:12.520 you know and Teal and all the hundreds and thousands 1707 01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:16.640 of people investing billions into m RNA. It's not going anywhere. 1708 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:20.000 So get off of the pharmaceutical grid. Get off of 1709 01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:23.279 the notion the old fashion. It's coming at us in 1710 01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:25.319 a lot of different ways, and so we've got to 1711 01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:27.439 be aware so we know what to protect ourselves from. 1712 01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:29.000 And that's a whole other topic. 1713 01:32:29.079 --> 01:32:32.079 I know, the other and of course Ramaswami was there 1714 01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:34.800 in the Ohio with the wine, one of the worst 1715 01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:37.039 of the governors, and he was there trying to put 1716 01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:39.119 in a surveillance and tracking and things like that. So 1717 01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:41.640 that's a whole other aspect of it that dovetails with 1718 01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:44.279 all of this pandemic thing, is a surveillance and tracking 1719 01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:46.960 and that all goes back to Peter Teel and Pallanteer 1720 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:50.000 and all the rest of the stuff. It's about surveillance, tracking, 1721 01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:53.520 anticipating what people are going to do, manipulating them, punishing 1722 01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:56.640 them in advance because they you know, kind of this 1723 01:32:56.680 --> 01:32:59.520 pre crime thing. They called it anticipatory intelligence. It has 1724 01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:01.600 been around for a while, but they're making it real. 1725 01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:04.079 And the people who made it real and made a 1726 01:33:04.279 --> 01:33:07.600 fortune off of it are the ones who are supporting Jade. 1727 01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:09.520 Vance is very concerning. I'm very concerned. 1728 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:12.079 I'm Donald Trump. Don't keep him out because he's bringing 1729 01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.640 them all together like he brought them all together in 1730 01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:18.880 twenty twenty operational warp speed consolidating all the alphabet agencies 1731 01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:20.159 that created this nightmare. 1732 01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:22.560 That's right, yeah, yeah, second term is going to be 1733 01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:25.920 pretty amazing. Tell people where they can find you, doctor Ruby. 1734 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:30.800 Well, I have my own show and coffee chats which 1735 01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:33.760 are not as benign as they sound. They get a 1736 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:37.079 little deep into information on my rumble channel. It's rumble 1737 01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:40.039 dot com forward slash Dr Jane Ruby, and I'm pretty 1738 01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:42.680 active over on Twitter and Telegram, just trying to get 1739 01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:45.520 the word out, get conversations going and things like that. 1740 01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:48.119 So really, thank you so much, David. It's been an honor. 1741 01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.520 You are one of my absolute favorites and go tos 1742 01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:52.119 and almost it's been great being with you. 1743 01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:54.239 Thank you very much as honored to have you on 1744 01:33:54.399 --> 01:33:58.479 and great information and thanks for sticking your neck out there, 1745 01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:01.880 even if you're going to good people throwing stuff at you. 1746 01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:03.800 So thank you for what you do. 1747 01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:06.279 Biased and false neoze has. 1748 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:08.439 Become all too common social media. 1749 01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:19.720 First, unfortunately, the. 1750 01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:27.399 Exactly and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1751 01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:29.800 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1752 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:32.399 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1753 01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:34.760 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1754 01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.000 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1755 01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:39.840 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1756 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:42.560 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1757 01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:45.399 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1758 01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:47.960 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 1759 01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:50.880 Break free from the usual script with a David Knight Show, 1760 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:54.479 a fresh perspective bringing you genuine insights on current events. 1761 01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:56.279 But if the show is going to stay on the air, 1762 01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:00.560 we'll need your continued support, sharing the show, subscribe and 1763 01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:03.439 even just hitting the like button all help. And if 1764 01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:06.520 you found our show helpful, please consider donating and becoming 1765 01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:09.840 a part of a community that values the truth because independent, 1766 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:15.199 listener funded news, untouched by corporate globalist agendas is extremely 1767 01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:17.800 important to our liberties. 1768 01:36:02.159 --> 01:37:38.960 A spot. 1769 01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:55.079 All right, welcome back in Our guest is ken Block 1770 01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:58.800 and the book is Disproven, my unbiased search for voter 1771 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:01.640 fraud and the Trump campaign the data that shows why 1772 01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:04.439 he lost and how we can improve our elections. And 1773 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:06.359 we're going to spend a lot of time on election reform, 1774 01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:10.359 not so much about litigating twenty twenty. He's got a 1775 01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:12.920 lot to say. How did he get involved in this? Well? 1776 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:18.000 He is president of a software systems company, Simpatico, software 1777 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:24.199 engineer and entrepreneur specializes in database technologies and groundbreaking projects 1778 01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:28.359 such as the country's first statewide debit card benefits system 1779 01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:33.560 in Texas. He saved them billion dollars off of the 1780 01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:38.760 fraud and waste and their snap programs. But as he said, 1781 01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:43.720 he wasn't really interested in getting involved in politics, But 1782 01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:47.760 sometimes we find that politics is interested in us. In 1783 01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:50.359 the past decade, he's analyzed voter data from more than 1784 01:39:50.439 --> 01:39:53.279 forty states. The few that he has yet to analyze 1785 01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:55.760 do not provide their data to the public. He has 1786 01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:59.680 served as an expert and legal challenges that involve voting data, 1787 01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:03.279 vote to fraud, and election integrity. So we'll talk to 1788 01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:05.560 him about all of these things and about what he 1789 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:08.079 has learned as he investigates us. What can we do 1790 01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:11.039 to make sure that we have honest elections that are 1791 01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:12.960 not going to be contested. Thank you for joining us. 1792 01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:14.720 Sir, Thanks for having me. 1793 01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:16.840 It's very important because we've got a lot of people 1794 01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:19.640 are very concerned about this, and rightfully so, a lot 1795 01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:22.560 of people are ready to have a revolution if the 1796 01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:26.399 candidate that they think should win does not win, and 1797 01:40:26.479 --> 01:40:30.159 in a you know, equally divided country like this, half 1798 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:33.199 the people are pretty much feeling that way. I saw 1799 01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:37.159 that your forward was written by Brad Raffinsburger, the Georgia 1800 01:40:37.279 --> 01:40:41.000 Secretary of State that you know again over the weekend. 1801 01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:42.640 I talked about this. At the beginning of the program. 1802 01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:49.079 Trump was furious at Governor Kemp. I didn't talk about Raffensburger, 1803 01:40:49.159 --> 01:40:53.920 but they have in the past, and so you know 1804 01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:55.960 he is and I said this about him. I said, 1805 01:40:56.000 --> 01:40:59.840 it's unfortunate that he is so focused on revenge that 1806 01:40:59.880 --> 01:41:04.079 he can't be focused on even winning, let alone on reform. 1807 01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:06.319 And so I want to talk about that. But before 1808 01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:08.079 we get into what we can do for reform, tell 1809 01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:10.119 us a little bit about your take on what happened 1810 01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:11.760 in Georgia where you investigated. 1811 01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:20.680 Yeah, it's the idea that in states that are whisker close, 1812 01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:25.520 and we have a bunch of them. We have Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia, 1813 01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:29.680 Michigan is not really whisker close, but close enough Nevada. 1814 01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:34.079 The idea that if the election goes one way as 1815 01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:37.439 opposed to another, that the only explanation for it must 1816 01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:43.600 have been fraud is not an accurate way to depict 1817 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:47.520 what happened in these elections and in Georgia in twenty twenty, 1818 01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:53.359 there are there's a ready explanation for what happened, and 1819 01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:56.159 Georgia is maybe in a lot of ways the closest 1820 01:41:56.159 --> 01:42:00.439 state that we have in terms of being evenly divided 1821 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:06.239 between Democrats and Republicans. The results of the twenty twenty 1822 01:42:06.279 --> 01:42:08.600 election have been gone up and down and backwards and 1823 01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:13.880 votes and sideways, and there really hasn't surfaced any credible 1824 01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:17.359 claim of voter fraud that could be proven. And in 1825 01:42:17.399 --> 01:42:21.800 my work for the Trump campaign, I was hired very 1826 01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:26.800 specifically to do data analytics that would stand up in 1827 01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:29.319 a court of law. My job was to find enough 1828 01:42:29.399 --> 01:42:32.840 voter fraud to matter in one of the swing states, 1829 01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:36.760 document it, and have it be so rock solid that 1830 01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:39.840 when it got taken to court, the other side's experts 1831 01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:42.840 wouldn't be able to tear it apart. That's sort of 1832 01:42:42.840 --> 01:42:46.720 the gold standard when you're dealing with legal challenges to elections. 1833 01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:50.239 You have to have a foundation of fact in which 1834 01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:54.319 to be successful in court. And the simple fact of 1835 01:42:54.359 --> 01:42:56.479 the matter is whether it was Georgia or any of 1836 01:42:56.520 --> 01:43:00.279 the other swing states. While we found some voter fraud, 1837 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:05.239 we didn't find nearly enough to cover the margin of victory, 1838 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:07.840 and the margin of victory in Georgia was roughly twelve 1839 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:11.359 thousand votes, it was roughly eleven thousand votes in Arizona, 1840 01:43:11.479 --> 01:43:15.199 roughly ninety thousand votes in Pennsylvania. And in none of 1841 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:19.520 those states did we find enough voter fraud to cover 1842 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:24.039 what those margins were. And that's just a plain statement 1843 01:43:24.079 --> 01:43:27.840 of fact. There were so many election challenges that failed 1844 01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.520 in the court system because the nature of their proof 1845 01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:34.920 wasn't acceptable proof in courts of law, right, And that's. 1846 01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:37.079 Just sort of a was there everybody talk about them 1847 01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:40.359 taking their findings. I know that you were there to 1848 01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:42.479 prepare the findings that they would use argue the case. 1849 01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.560 But did they ever talk about taking the case instead 1850 01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:48.680 of to a court to the legislature? Because I know, 1851 01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:53.199 for these razor thin margin victory for a Biden for 1852 01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:56.079 these states had Republican legislatures. Were they ever talking about 1853 01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:58.319 presenting a case to the legislature to get them to 1854 01:43:58.600 --> 01:44:03.199 acknowledge a Republican slate of electors officially, and then you 1855 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:07.159 would have had, as Thomas Massey talked about, as Pence 1856 01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:10.560 talked about, as JD. Vans recently talked about, to have 1857 01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:15.079 then a court case as to who gets to decide 1858 01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.479 who the electors are. Is it going to be the 1859 01:44:17.479 --> 01:44:19.199 governor and the executive branch? Is it going to be 1860 01:44:19.239 --> 01:44:21.399 the legislative branch. Was there EVERYNY talk about taking the 1861 01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:23.079 case to the legislatures? 1862 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:28.159 So I wasn't part of any strategy meetings inside the campaign. 1863 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:31.640 My job was incredibly focused, and I had thirty days 1864 01:44:31.680 --> 01:44:34.680 to do what amounted to about a year's worth of work. 1865 01:44:35.239 --> 01:44:41.760 So I was highly occupied and segmented away from everything 1866 01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:44.199 else that was swirling around the campaign at the time. 1867 01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:50.680 What I would say in general is that legislatures probably 1868 01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:55.039 are not the best body to try to ascertain a 1869 01:44:55.199 --> 01:45:00.079 very technical determination, which was did fraud occur and how 1870 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:04.199 did it occur? You know, many members of legislators don't 1871 01:45:04.199 --> 01:45:07.079 have that in their background. So it would be my 1872 01:45:07.199 --> 01:45:10.439 preference that if it's going to be contested, that it 1873 01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:15.960 gets contested in a venue where they can handle highly 1874 01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:20.880 technical presentations and digest the facts. And our court system 1875 01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:24.840 does that all the time. Legislatures typically don't. So that's 1876 01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:27.399 just from a process perspective, that's kind of where I'm at. 1877 01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:34.119 In Georgia. There are three different data points that really 1878 01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:37.399 helped document what really happened in Georgia, and I know 1879 01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:42.520 that in a lot of conservative circles, Secretary of Raethenisberger 1880 01:45:43.039 --> 01:45:47.359 is not well liked. But the data that he brought 1881 01:45:47.399 --> 01:45:51.439 forward and can document has documented, and it's hard proof. 1882 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:57.840 He showed that about thirty thousand GOP presidential primary voters 1883 01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:01.439 in Georgia in twenty twenty took pass on the general election. 1884 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:07.920 Those are lost presidential votes for President Trump, and he 1885 01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:11.680 lost by fewer than twelve thousand votes. Now, those thirty 1886 01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:16.359 thousand votes were probably moderate Republicans, call um rhinos, whatever 1887 01:46:16.399 --> 01:46:18.920 you want to call them, who probably voted against Trump 1888 01:46:18.920 --> 01:46:21.800 in the primary and then decided they couldn't they couldn't 1889 01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:24.680 bear to vote in the general election. And there was 1890 01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:29.520 another thirty thousand votes that Raefensberger brought forward and has 1891 01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:34.439 the proof for that showed that the presidential selection was 1892 01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:38.039 left blank, but all the down ticket Republicans received votes. 1893 01:46:38.039 --> 01:46:41.279 And again that's a sort of symbolic protest votes by 1894 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:45.720 very likely middle of the road Republicans who liked down 1895 01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:49.159 ticket gops but didn't like what was at the top 1896 01:46:49.199 --> 01:46:55.279 of the ticket. And that's hard evidence to overcome, and 1897 01:46:55.479 --> 01:46:59.960 there's really no credible fraud that you can look at 1898 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:03.039 that comes close to having the solidity of the numbers 1899 01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:09.600 that Raffensberger brought forward that matches with my nationwide findings 1900 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:14.279 are and those are basically that Trump lost about two 1901 01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:17.920 and a half percent support across the board everywhere in 1902 01:47:18.039 --> 01:47:21.680 twenty twenty relative to twenty sixteen. And those are the rhinos. 1903 01:47:21.720 --> 01:47:23.399 I'm pretty sure those are the rhinos who took a 1904 01:47:23.439 --> 01:47:26.720 hike and left. It's not a lot of voters, but 1905 01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:30.960 in a whisker close election, it was enough most. 1906 01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:33.000 Probably people who were not too happy with what had 1907 01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:36.319 happened the first part of twenty twenty. Let me ask you, 1908 01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:37.960 you know, with the lockdowns and things like that, that 1909 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:40.560 kind of soured a lot of us on what was 1910 01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:43.239 going on. But let me ask you about the vote 1911 01:47:43.279 --> 01:47:45.439 by mail thing, because that was a function of the 1912 01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:49.640 lockdown as well, and we'd never done that before. How 1913 01:47:49.680 --> 01:47:52.880 did you audit or how did you view the vote 1914 01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:53.800 by mail stuff? 1915 01:47:54.800 --> 01:48:01.239 So we looked at the mail ballots, not so much 1916 01:48:01.359 --> 01:48:06.000 from the process of mail ballots, were their changes to 1917 01:48:07.279 --> 01:48:09.560 rules made to allow mail ballots to be changed, how 1918 01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:13.800 mail ballots were used. My role in looking at them 1919 01:48:14.079 --> 01:48:18.880 was did were dead votes cast by mail. Did people 1920 01:48:18.880 --> 01:48:22.119 who voted by mail vote twice in two different places? 1921 01:48:22.159 --> 01:48:24.479 It was the nature of what I was looking at 1922 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:25.960 was those sorts of things. 1923 01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:27.279 You know. 1924 01:48:27.479 --> 01:48:31.159 It was really a remarkable period of time in a 1925 01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:34.880 lot of different ways. And honestly, I think maybe had 1926 01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:39.239 had we not had COVID, I actually believe there was 1927 01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:42.359 a better than even money chance that President Trump would 1928 01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:45.119 still be President Trump right now. I think COVID cost 1929 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:51.199 him dearly in this election. Did mail ballot use tip 1930 01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:54.239 the balance? I don't think so, because I think anybody 1931 01:48:54.279 --> 01:48:56.560 who was motivated to vote would have figured out how 1932 01:48:56.600 --> 01:49:01.439 to vote one way or the other. Is were mail 1933 01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:06.039 ballots used for in some nefarious way to were's massive 1934 01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:10.600 mail ballot fraud happening? And I didn't see evidence of that. 1935 01:49:10.720 --> 01:49:13.680 I mean, to commit mail ballot fraud, you're either going 1936 01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:17.600 to steal someone's identity and vote as somebody else, or 1937 01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:21.119 you're going to steal a deceased person's identity and do that. 1938 01:49:21.159 --> 01:49:24.439 And we found a couple a dozen dead votes in 1939 01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:27.640 most of the swing states. We found a couple one 1940 01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:32.359 hundred duplicate votes across the swing states, and the campaign 1941 01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:37.399 spared no expense on this. We exhaustively looked at every 1942 01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:40.520 single mail ballot to ensure that the person in whose 1943 01:49:40.600 --> 01:49:42.920 name that mail ballot was cast was among the living. 1944 01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:46.640 So what do they do to cast about? Do they 1945 01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:49.560 have to request it and is it mailed to them 1946 01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:51.680 at an address or something? They just pick it up 1947 01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:53.640 and then mail it in themselves. How did that? 1948 01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:57.279 So what's really frustrating is it's different from state to 1949 01:49:57.319 --> 01:49:59.520 state to state. We're going to get into that down 1950 01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:02.880 the line. In many states, you have to fill out 1951 01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:07.279 a mail ballot application, mail it in, they verify your signature, 1952 01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:09.680 and then when the time is right, they'll mail you 1953 01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:11.279 a ballot that you then return. 1954 01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:14.039 That's like the absentee ballot process that we've had for 1955 01:50:14.119 --> 01:50:15.920 a very long time, right right, Yeah. 1956 01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:18.960 A few states and this goes this happened before COVID 1957 01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:24.720 States like California and Oregon and Colorado interestingly, have moved 1958 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:30.319 to entirely conducting their elections by mail. They send out 1959 01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:33.439 mail ballots to everybody, and if you don't want to 1960 01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:37.800 vote by mail, you have to take extraordinary actions to 1961 01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:40.199 opt out of voting by mail and instead to vote 1962 01:50:40.199 --> 01:50:43.000 in a different way. So we had a mix of 1963 01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:47.560 those different things. Many states made voting by mail easier 1964 01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:51.479 in twenty twenty, the hardest state in the country to 1965 01:50:51.560 --> 01:50:57.039 vote by mail is I believe it's Louisiana that has 1966 01:50:57.359 --> 01:51:01.159 a very strict usage in terms of who can use 1967 01:51:01.199 --> 01:51:04.560 it under what circumstances, So it's all over the map. 1968 01:51:06.399 --> 01:51:13.600 I didn't see any artisan slant to the mail ballot 1969 01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:17.439 fraud that we did find. It was pretty evenly divided 1970 01:51:17.479 --> 01:51:21.800 by Democrats, Republicans, independents. And that's been the case of 1971 01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:26.000 all the voter fraud I've documented over the years. I 1972 01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:30.279 have yet to find a form of voter fraud where 1973 01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:33.479 when it happens, it's just sort of a bipartisan activity. 1974 01:51:34.760 --> 01:51:38.600 How would you audit a situation to find out if 1975 01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:41.359 somebody was voting for dead person? And I asked because 1976 01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:45.600 a friend of my brother in laws in twenty twelve 1977 01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:48.239 in North Carolina, they have at least at that time, 1978 01:51:48.279 --> 01:51:51.159 they had the longest voting period of any state, and 1979 01:51:51.359 --> 01:51:54.720 there was no picture ID, so you could just walk 1980 01:51:54.760 --> 01:51:58.680 in and give them you could vote early, and when 1981 01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:00.720 you went to vote, you just give them a name 1982 01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:03.239 and address, and there was no validation of that with 1983 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:08.399 even a driver's license and so on. Election day, this 1984 01:52:08.520 --> 01:52:11.680 friend of my brothers brother in law goes in and 1985 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:14.960 to regually gives them his name in address, and he said, 1986 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:16.800 you've aready voted, and so is this other person that 1987 01:52:16.840 --> 01:52:18.680 you're addressing. He said, well, that's my mom. She's been 1988 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:22.159 dead for several years. So how do you audit that 1989 01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:27.640 to know if that is happening in Georgia for example. 1990 01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:33.079 Well, so in twenty twenty, the Trump campaign had us 1991 01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:37.960 process every single mail ballot voter in the swing stage. 1992 01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:39.520 There was about thirty one million of them. 1993 01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:40.039 Wow. 1994 01:52:40.079 --> 01:52:44.399 We process them through a data vendor who matches up 1995 01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:48.279 the voter with their social Security number, and then using 1996 01:52:48.319 --> 01:52:51.239 the social Security number, you can look at something called 1997 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:55.279 the Social Security Death Master File, which is the soci 1998 01:52:55.279 --> 01:52:59.239 Security Administration tracks everybody who dies. So we use that 1999 01:52:59.359 --> 01:53:03.560 mechanism thirty one million times for every mail ballot that 2000 01:53:03.640 --> 01:53:06.960 was cast. Why did you find election? Like I said, 2001 01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:11.199 you know, we found a couple at most a couple 2002 01:53:11.239 --> 01:53:14.800 a dozen in each swing state, not nearly enough to matter. 2003 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:18.680 I did predict because I had done an analysis in 2004 01:53:18.720 --> 01:53:22.199 Pennsylvania about a month before the election. I found a 2005 01:53:22.199 --> 01:53:26.760 couple of recently registered dead voters, and I predicted that 2006 01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:29.199 those would become mail ballot fraud, and they did. 2007 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:34.720 Yeah. Yeah, Now, you you did your research, you presented 2008 01:53:34.760 --> 01:53:39.079 your findings to the Trump campaign and who had hired you, 2009 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:42.800 to their attorneys, and you also reported to Mark Meadows 2010 01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:44.560 all of your results. Is that correct? 2011 01:53:45.479 --> 01:53:47.720 Yeah? So I didn't speak directly to Mark Meadows, the 2012 01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:52.239 lawyer who hired me and who basically was my point 2013 01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:58.640 person throughout this whole thing, Alex Cannon. He the basic 2014 01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:00.840 premise of what I did two different things. I looked 2015 01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:04.079 for duplicate votes, I looked for dead voters. And then 2016 01:54:04.119 --> 01:54:08.520 the campaign used my company to help vet every claim 2017 01:54:08.560 --> 01:54:10.600 of voter fraud that came their way, and there were 2018 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:15.359 a lot of them from outside of the campaign asking 2019 01:54:15.359 --> 01:54:17.479 He asked us to vet them, determine whether they were 2020 01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:21.439 true or not before they would consider taking those claims 2021 01:54:21.439 --> 01:54:24.720 into court. So they were operating in a very careful, 2022 01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:28.760 methodical way. They asked us to review about twenty different 2023 01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:31.760 claims of fraud. Some of them came in through folks 2024 01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:37.399 like Sidney Powell and John Eastman. Others came through academics, 2025 01:54:37.800 --> 01:54:40.800 just random people out there who did their own research. 2026 01:54:41.680 --> 01:54:44.159 And every one of the twenty different claims that we 2027 01:54:44.279 --> 01:54:47.199 looked at, we were able to show why it was wrong. 2028 01:54:48.760 --> 01:54:51.520 When we wrapped things up towards the end of November, 2029 01:54:52.199 --> 01:54:55.560 Cannon took the summation of everything that we had done 2030 01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:59.479 and went to Mark Meadows and told Meadows that when 2031 01:54:59.479 --> 01:55:01.760 it came to vot voter fraud, we looked pretty exhaustively 2032 01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:04.520 at it. All the claims we looked at were false 2033 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.760 and we couldn't find enough voter fraud to have changed 2034 01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:08.880 the outcome in any election. 2035 01:55:09.359 --> 01:55:11.560 And when did when was that presented? What was the 2036 01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:13.920 date that roughly that you presented that stuff? 2037 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:19.159 Well, so I didn't do a presentation to anybody. Every 2038 01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:21.600 one of the claims I looked at had its own 2039 01:55:21.640 --> 01:55:25.199 email and documentation, and all that landed on Cannon's desk. 2040 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:29.279 Cannon took that all together and went and talked to Meadows, 2041 01:55:29.359 --> 01:55:33.199 I believe, right at the end of November, and gave 2042 01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:35.279 him the summation of everything. 2043 01:55:35.399 --> 01:55:38.520 Okay, all right. And so it was December the fourteenth 2044 01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:42.920 that the electoral colleges, you know, the people that were 2045 01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:45.760 selected the elector the site of electors from each party 2046 01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:50.920 that had won, submitted their votes on December fourteenth, January 2047 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:54.279 the sixth was a formal acceptance of all that stuff. 2048 01:55:54.319 --> 01:55:57.520 But everybody presented that stuff on December fourteenth, so they 2049 01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:01.199 knew the end of November. They knew a couple of 2050 01:56:01.239 --> 01:56:05.039 weeks before the Electoral College voted. Uh, and then again 2051 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:10.199 about another about I guess six weeks or so before 2052 01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:13.920 the January the sixth thing they had those results in. 2053 01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:16.840 What did you think about the stop the Steel stuff? 2054 01:56:17.239 --> 01:56:21.279 You mentioned that that you debunked fraud claims while I 2055 01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:24.479 was advancing to stop the steel initiative. Tell us a 2056 01:56:24.520 --> 01:56:25.199 little bit about that. 2057 01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:30.840 Yeah, I mean, so as I looked at everything, I 2058 01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:34.239 wasn't aware usually of where the claims came from. I 2059 01:56:34.279 --> 01:56:37.800 was able to piece a lot of it together afterwards. So, 2060 01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:42.199 you know, for the from the Sydney Powell John Eastman perspective, 2061 01:56:42.840 --> 01:56:46.720 I didn't know that the claims that I found were false, 2062 01:56:46.720 --> 01:56:50.000 that they brought forward came from them until about a 2063 01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:54.800 year ago. Really, so uh, it's the you know, the 2064 01:56:54.800 --> 01:56:58.439 whole problem would stop the steal and with a lot 2065 01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:03.000 of so many people believe firmly that the election was stolen, 2066 01:57:03.079 --> 01:57:06.720 but that belief is based upon a set of facts 2067 01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:10.800 that's at best really really squishy right. What I mean 2068 01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:15.239 by that is the facts on which the claims are 2069 01:57:15.279 --> 01:57:17.720 being made that everybody is grabbing onto and says it 2070 01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:22.199 was stolen can't possibly ever stand up in court, usually 2071 01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:25.399 for a really basic reason, because that reason is it's 2072 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:28.359 more usually it's hearsay evidence. What I mean by that, 2073 01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:33.800 hearsay is often defined as he said, she said type stuff, right, 2074 01:57:34.079 --> 01:57:36.840 And our courts don't allow that kind of evidence on 2075 01:57:36.880 --> 01:57:42.880 which to convict somebody because someone can easily be lying 2076 01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:46.399 about that right. The court systems want to see fact 2077 01:57:46.479 --> 01:57:51.760 based evidence that can be double and triple checked, hard facts, 2078 01:57:52.319 --> 01:57:55.359 and most of most of the evidence that people are 2079 01:57:55.399 --> 01:57:59.239 being presented as evidence that the election was stolen is 2080 01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:02.239 squishy evidence. It's not the kind of evidence that you 2081 01:58:02.239 --> 01:58:05.000 could take to court and win. And that, to me 2082 01:58:05.239 --> 01:58:09.119 is really something that I have a problem with because 2083 01:58:09.319 --> 01:58:12.199 you know, I'm a data guy. I take data to court, 2084 01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:16.680 and my data survives legal scrutiny, right, So if you 2085 01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:20.039 can't find data that survives legal scrutiny, I think it's 2086 01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:24.239 sketchy to start bringing forward data that can't and then 2087 01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:28.760 using that information to really get people amped up about 2088 01:58:28.800 --> 01:58:33.680 what happened in our election. I do not believe that 2089 01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:36.479 the election was stolen. I believe that the election in 2090 01:58:36.560 --> 01:58:38.439 twenty twenty was lost. 2091 01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:41.319 I was very skeptical of it from the very beginning. Actually, 2092 01:58:41.359 --> 01:58:43.479 you know, when I worked at info Wars, I had 2093 01:58:43.479 --> 01:58:46.800 a show there and two days after the election, Steve 2094 01:58:46.840 --> 01:58:49.880 Achenet came on and said that there had that it 2095 01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:52.920 was a sting that they had blockchain watermark ballots that 2096 01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:55.800 had somehow come out of the federal government at some 2097 01:58:55.840 --> 01:59:00.640 central location. But the key thing that was obviously provable 2098 01:59:01.039 --> 01:59:02.680 was he said, two days after the election, So we 2099 01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:04.920 got twenty thousand National Guard that are out there resting 2100 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:09.199 these people who rig the election. Now, that obviously was true, 2101 01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:11.720 and that wasn't going to go down that path. So 2102 01:59:11.920 --> 01:59:13.840 we had all kinds of stuff, But it was so 2103 01:59:13.960 --> 01:59:18.800 many people. Even weeks after that, when there was absolutely 2104 01:59:18.800 --> 01:59:21.520 no evidence of any National Guard troops or any arrests 2105 01:59:21.600 --> 01:59:23.199 or whatever, they were still pushing that. So I can 2106 01:59:23.239 --> 01:59:26.000 imagine that somebody saying, yeah, we got pictures of or 2107 01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:28.640 I know personally about somebody's stuff in a ballot box. 2108 01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.079 That's going to be much more believable than the other 2109 01:59:32.119 --> 01:59:35.520 stuff that the people were fighting about and willing to 2110 01:59:35.560 --> 01:59:37.760 go to the mat to say, yes, there is some 2111 01:59:37.960 --> 01:59:41.680 secret war that is going on, maybe in Germany, maybe 2112 01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:44.239 some places in the United States where people are actually 2113 01:59:44.439 --> 01:59:46.800 you know, fighting and going to war over this. It 2114 01:59:46.880 --> 01:59:49.800 really was a strange situation. One more thing I'd like 2115 01:59:49.880 --> 01:59:52.359 to talk about before we start talking about how to 2116 01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:56.039 reform this stuff, and that is the exit polls, which 2117 01:59:56.039 --> 01:59:59.600 have kind of come in to play again with this 2118 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:02.680 as well. In election the State Department has always used 2119 02:00:02.800 --> 02:00:06.600 Edison Research, which is the exit polling organization here in 2120 02:00:06.640 --> 02:00:10.000 the United States, and they say that and they use 2121 02:00:10.039 --> 02:00:12.439 them in other countries as well, and they say that 2122 02:00:12.479 --> 02:00:16.279 if the difference between Edison Researches exit polls and the 2123 02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:20.760 official results are more than five points away from each other, 2124 02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:24.760 that looks like it's a rigged election. Now it's just 2125 02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:27.279 one particular company, and of course that company can be 2126 02:00:27.479 --> 02:00:30.560 rigged as well. We don't know about their integrity, but 2127 02:00:30.600 --> 02:00:32.560 it is the company that is used for the exit 2128 02:00:32.600 --> 02:00:35.439 polls by all of the media organizations in the United States. 2129 02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:39.000 They typically don't give us I've never seen them give 2130 02:00:39.079 --> 02:00:41.319 us a total and say, well, here's what they say 2131 02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:44.159 the total is, and compare that to what the reported 2132 02:00:44.399 --> 02:00:47.439 votes were they'll give you demographic cross tabulations. You know, 2133 02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:49.319 how many men or how many women or this or 2134 02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:52.920 that voted for this candidate. But was there ever any 2135 02:00:52.960 --> 02:00:57.000 talk about looking at the exit polls anything about that. 2136 02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:02.319 So I didn't know it at the time, but I 2137 02:01:02.399 --> 02:01:04.079 learned of this about a year and a half ago. 2138 02:01:05.039 --> 02:01:10.920 The Trump campaign commissioned their top polster to conduct exit 2139 02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:14.439 polls in the twenty twenty election in the Swing States. 2140 02:01:14.479 --> 02:01:19.000 That poster's name is Tony Fabrizio. And just to be 2141 02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:22.880 fully transparent, I'm a two time candidate for governor here 2142 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:26.319 in Rhode Island and in my run in twenty fourteen 2143 02:01:26.359 --> 02:01:29.720 as a Republican, Fabrizio was my poster as well. So 2144 02:01:29.720 --> 02:01:32.119 I'd just like to put that out there because I'm 2145 02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:34.079 talking about him, and I just didn't want to do 2146 02:01:34.119 --> 02:01:40.720 that without disclosing that. Fabrizio conducted a thirty thousand interview 2147 02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:44.880 exit poll across all the Swing states, and he created 2148 02:01:44.920 --> 02:01:49.119 an internal campaign document that leaked, and that document made 2149 02:01:49.119 --> 02:01:51.439 its way to politico dot com, so anyone can find 2150 02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:54.920 it there. But what he determined was that one out 2151 02:01:54.920 --> 02:01:59.960 of six votes voters that they spoke with were disaffect 2152 02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:03.159 did Republicans who chose to vote against Trump in that 2153 02:02:03.199 --> 02:02:06.760 twenty twenty race. Another one out of six voters were 2154 02:02:06.800 --> 02:02:10.960 brand new voters motivated to vote against Trump because of COVID. 2155 02:02:11.960 --> 02:02:15.960 So that's that's a full third of the voters that 2156 02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:22.560 they had identified were strongly against Trump for different sets 2157 02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:29.399 of reasons. So exit polls are typically taken to the 2158 02:02:29.439 --> 02:02:35.319 bank type things, right, They're usually considered to be pretty accurate, 2159 02:02:35.479 --> 02:02:39.840 and I've not ever heard of somebody manipulating the results 2160 02:02:39.840 --> 02:02:44.199 of an exit pole. I don't know much, hardly anything 2161 02:02:44.239 --> 02:02:46.479 at all about what's going on down invent In, Venezuela 2162 02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:54.000 right now, other than it's a messy So. 2163 02:02:51.880 --> 02:02:54.560 It's another one of these things, right, So that kind 2164 02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:56.319 of gives us a lead into some of the things 2165 02:02:56.359 --> 02:02:58.199 that we do about how to how to fix this 2166 02:02:58.239 --> 02:03:00.359 based on your insights. But I think that's very important. 2167 02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:03.079 I think it's very interesting that the Trump campaign did 2168 02:03:03.119 --> 02:03:06.560 his own exit polls, and they didn't present that data, 2169 02:03:06.920 --> 02:03:10.039 so presumably that data was not favorable to them, didn't 2170 02:03:10.039 --> 02:03:15.680 Did you am I mistaken? Did you debate Lindell on this? 2171 02:03:15.760 --> 02:03:17.239 Mike Lindell, I. 2172 02:03:17.239 --> 02:03:22.159 Did, he and I appeared on a YouTube channel about 2173 02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:26.560 a month ago and with a host named David Pacman, 2174 02:03:27.119 --> 02:03:30.000 And yeah, we had about a forty five minute conversation 2175 02:03:30.119 --> 02:03:34.319 about voter fraud and what is there, what's not there, 2176 02:03:34.359 --> 02:03:36.640 and even we got into a little bit the things 2177 02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:38.159 that we need to do to fix things. 2178 02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:40.960 And I know that he held a press conference at 2179 02:03:41.000 --> 02:03:43.079 one point in time and Steve Bannon was there, a 2180 02:03:43.079 --> 02:03:45.199 whole bunch of people, and Steve Bannon was just fed up. 2181 02:03:45.239 --> 02:03:47.039 He said, well, we were told that he had receipts, 2182 02:03:47.039 --> 02:03:50.159 and he goes, he didn't have any receipts, really, etcetera. 2183 02:03:50.279 --> 02:03:51.520 Does he have any receipts yet? 2184 02:03:53.079 --> 02:03:54.239 No? 2185 02:03:54.920 --> 02:03:58.680 This evidence free, right, that's very interesting. It really is 2186 02:03:58.720 --> 02:04:00.560 sad to see. But let's talk talk about what we 2187 02:04:00.600 --> 02:04:06.319 can do to fix the election system based on what 2188 02:04:06.399 --> 02:04:08.720 you have seen and your opinions about it. 2189 02:04:09.479 --> 02:04:12.560 Yeah, so I think this is the most important thing 2190 02:04:12.560 --> 02:04:15.119 to talk about. I mean, twenty twenty is long gone 2191 02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:18.560 and it's in the rear mirror. There's nothing that we 2192 02:04:18.600 --> 02:04:20.520 can do at this point to alter the course of 2193 02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:24.000 what's going to happen in twenty twenty four. It's going 2194 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:26.680 to be very very similar, I believe, to what we 2195 02:04:26.760 --> 02:04:30.279 experienced in twenty twenty, it may be almost virtually identical. 2196 02:04:30.319 --> 02:04:33.640 I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome is exactly the same, 2197 02:04:33.680 --> 02:04:37.760 because the basic same setup is there that we had 2198 02:04:38.199 --> 02:04:43.399 four years ago. The way we conduct our elections in 2199 02:04:43.439 --> 02:04:46.520 this country is the way we've done it for hundreds 2200 02:04:46.560 --> 02:04:49.600 of years, and it no longer makes any sense, and 2201 02:04:49.640 --> 02:04:52.840 it causes us some real problems. And the biggest set 2202 02:04:52.880 --> 02:04:56.600 of problems that we have is that different states, and 2203 02:04:56.680 --> 02:05:00.319 many times different counties in the same state, conduct the 2204 02:05:00.359 --> 02:05:04.600 same election differently. They have different rules, they have different regulations, 2205 02:05:04.600 --> 02:05:09.000 they have different hardware. And I'll give you just a 2206 02:05:09.119 --> 02:05:14.000 simple example of how these differences can actually affect the 2207 02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:18.760 outcome of a specific vote. What do you think happens 2208 02:05:18.880 --> 02:05:22.319 if you vote early but then die before election day? 2209 02:05:22.359 --> 02:05:24.640 Does your vote count or does your vote not count? 2210 02:05:25.000 --> 02:05:26.359 I would think that it would count. 2211 02:05:27.600 --> 02:05:33.000 Depends on where you live, depends yeah. Yeah, So in 2212 02:05:33.079 --> 02:05:36.920 Michigan it does not count. And in twenty twenty, the 2213 02:05:36.920 --> 02:05:40.720 state of Michigan invalidated about thirty five hundred votes by 2214 02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:44.119 voters who voted early and then passed away before election day. 2215 02:05:45.039 --> 02:05:48.359 In Pennsylvania, if you vote earlier then pass away before 2216 02:05:48.399 --> 02:05:51.520 the election your vote does count. So some of the 2217 02:05:51.640 --> 02:05:56.079 votes that people identified as to ceised votes actually counted, 2218 02:05:56.159 --> 02:05:59.880 because in Pennsylvania that's not in an illegal situation. As long 2219 02:05:59.920 --> 02:06:03.239 as you cast the vote while you're alive. If you 2220 02:06:03.319 --> 02:06:06.039 happen to then pass away before election day, in Pennsylvania, 2221 02:06:06.079 --> 02:06:09.600 the vote still counts. So it becomes you can see 2222 02:06:09.840 --> 02:06:15.479 how just that one scenario clauses a voter that we 2223 02:06:15.560 --> 02:06:17.840 imagine is in this situation to have a very different 2224 02:06:17.880 --> 02:06:21.399 experience as a dead voter in Michigan as it does 2225 02:06:22.159 --> 02:06:23.239 opposed to Pennsylvania. 2226 02:06:23.399 --> 02:06:25.000 Let me ask you this question before we move on, 2227 02:06:25.520 --> 02:06:28.640 because when you get these ballots in, I mean, what 2228 02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:32.359 kind of records do you have to look at a vote, 2229 02:06:32.520 --> 02:06:37.520 an early vote by mail ballot to know that this 2230 02:06:37.560 --> 02:06:40.920 person voted that ballot and voted it at that date. 2231 02:06:41.119 --> 02:06:44.079 You know, if they're going to count it if the 2232 02:06:44.119 --> 02:06:46.640 person is now dead, but they you know, to know 2233 02:06:46.680 --> 02:06:51.000 that the person made this a vote before they died. 2234 02:06:51.319 --> 02:06:53.800 How do you do you have how do you audit that? 2235 02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:57.760 What kind of information do they have in terms of auditability? 2236 02:06:57.840 --> 02:07:00.439 Do they know the postmark date and the person name 2237 02:07:00.479 --> 02:07:01.479 on the ballot. 2238 02:07:01.880 --> 02:07:05.479 So they had postmark dates, they have names and addresses 2239 02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:09.600 on the ballot application, which also goes on to the 2240 02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:13.199 envelope that your mail ballot gets put into as you 2241 02:07:13.239 --> 02:07:17.680 mail it back. In The trick is getting that information 2242 02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:21.159 and being able to determine with certainty whether or not 2243 02:07:21.239 --> 02:07:24.319 that voter is dead and alive or alive. And most 2244 02:07:24.399 --> 02:07:29.119 people who do these analysis aren't able to arrive at 2245 02:07:29.119 --> 02:07:31.560 an answer that is rock solid for sure. 2246 02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:36.000 Yeah, a big problem Pennsylvania. You know, whereas that it's 2247 02:07:36.039 --> 02:07:38.399 okay if they did it and then died, how do 2248 02:07:38.439 --> 02:07:41.359 you determine that. That's tough, right right? 2249 02:07:41.399 --> 02:07:45.319 Well? I pointed out to the state of Pennsylvania through 2250 02:07:46.119 --> 02:07:48.479 lawyers that I was doing some work for in October of 2251 02:07:48.560 --> 02:07:52.800 twenty twenty two registered voters who were dead clearly deceased, 2252 02:07:53.800 --> 02:07:57.520 identified them and because they had registered in the last 2253 02:07:57.840 --> 02:08:01.720 month back in September of twenty twenty, I said, these 2254 02:08:01.760 --> 02:08:05.960 will become very likely fraudulent votes. The state didn't do 2255 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:09.960 anything about those voters. They did, in fact vote by 2256 02:08:10.039 --> 02:08:13.000 mail as deceased voters, and it was only after the 2257 02:08:13.039 --> 02:08:19.039 election that the people behind those votes were contacted, arrested, 2258 02:08:19.640 --> 02:08:24.760 and they pled guilty to election crimes for casting fraudginal votes. 2259 02:08:25.760 --> 02:08:30.079 It's really hard. In fact, it's so hard to identify 2260 02:08:30.159 --> 02:08:34.560 whether or not someone is living or dead. I think 2261 02:08:34.600 --> 02:08:38.880 that the only reasonable thing to do is to probably 2262 02:08:38.960 --> 02:08:42.199 allow the votes as long as you're alive when you 2263 02:08:42.239 --> 02:08:45.079 cast the vote. I think that the vote should count 2264 02:08:45.720 --> 02:08:49.000 because it's just so hard for states to determine otherwise 2265 02:08:49.359 --> 02:08:51.520 inside a crazy window of time where they're trying to 2266 02:08:51.520 --> 02:08:53.960 do a lot of other things, you know. And again, 2267 02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:56.319 we only were able to do what we did in 2268 02:08:56.399 --> 02:09:00.880 terms of identifying deceased registered voters because the Trump campaign 2269 02:09:00.920 --> 02:09:04.479 basically provided an unlimited pile of money that we were 2270 02:09:04.520 --> 02:09:06.439 able to spend to do so accurately. 2271 02:09:07.479 --> 02:09:10.680 I guess that's really the issue, you know, in terms 2272 02:09:10.840 --> 02:09:14.600 of how do you validate that? And I guess the 2273 02:09:14.720 --> 02:09:18.039 key issue is that people have to have trust in 2274 02:09:18.079 --> 02:09:20.119 the election, and so it seems to me like there 2275 02:09:20.159 --> 02:09:24.319 needs to be different ways that they can have either 2276 02:09:24.800 --> 02:09:29.199 transparency and have the ballots retained. I know that in 2277 02:09:29.279 --> 02:09:32.359 Texas it was kind of a standard procedure, even though 2278 02:09:32.560 --> 02:09:36.000 it was in the constitution that a fact simile image 2279 02:09:36.119 --> 02:09:39.199 of the ballot had to be retained. You had the 2280 02:09:40.760 --> 02:09:42.319 guy who was in charge of the Board of Elections 2281 02:09:42.359 --> 02:09:46.079 would send out a statement to all of the counties 2282 02:09:46.159 --> 02:09:48.720 saying you don't have to retain it, and they would 2283 02:09:48.720 --> 02:09:50.640 not retain it in a lot of these counties, and 2284 02:09:50.680 --> 02:09:53.800 so that made the auditing process really difficult. But I 2285 02:09:53.800 --> 02:09:55.319 think maybe you know a lot of people who are 2286 02:09:55.319 --> 02:09:58.600 looking at let's just go simple, let's go to handcounted ballots. 2287 02:09:58.600 --> 02:10:00.199 We know that people can always stuff stuff, but if 2288 02:10:00.199 --> 02:10:02.199 you've got hand county ballots and you got observers from 2289 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:04.239 both sides, it seems to me like you need to 2290 02:10:04.239 --> 02:10:08.159 have something like that where people can have some confidence 2291 02:10:08.600 --> 02:10:11.920 that the fraud has been kept to a minimum, that 2292 02:10:11.920 --> 02:10:15.000 there's been eyes on this, that they have have done that. 2293 02:10:15.199 --> 02:10:17.159 What do you think about that? What are your recommendations 2294 02:10:17.159 --> 02:10:20.560 in terms of paper ballots. I know that's a big 2295 02:10:20.560 --> 02:10:23.319 paper chase, but what would you say about that? 2296 02:10:24.000 --> 02:10:27.640 Well? I think, for sure, when you vote, the vote 2297 02:10:27.680 --> 02:10:29.880 should be on a paper ballot so that you have 2298 02:10:29.960 --> 02:10:33.119 a physical representation of what happened, so that you can 2299 02:10:33.159 --> 02:10:36.439 go back and analyze. Any machine that allows you to 2300 02:10:36.479 --> 02:10:39.720 vote electronically without paper ballot backup, I think is a 2301 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:44.279 terrible idea and we shouldn't be there for sure, let's 2302 02:10:44.399 --> 02:10:50.640 use Maricopa County, Arizona as sort of approving ground for 2303 02:10:50.720 --> 02:10:54.760 whether or not it's reasonable to count by hand all 2304 02:10:54.800 --> 02:10:57.840 the ballots. So Maricopa has roughly one and a half 2305 02:10:57.920 --> 02:11:02.960 million voters that vote and its elections. On your typical 2306 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:07.479 Maricopa County ballot, there's anywhere between twenty and thirty different 2307 02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:10.479 races on that ballot. It just depends on the year 2308 02:11:10.520 --> 02:11:12.479 and where you are in the cycle of different things, 2309 02:11:12.840 --> 02:11:16.640 which means that in your typical election year Amercopa, you 2310 02:11:16.760 --> 02:11:18.319 have to if you're going to count by hand, you 2311 02:11:18.399 --> 02:11:22.159 have to tally up twenty to thirty million different distinct 2312 02:11:22.239 --> 02:11:27.399 votes across all the different races that are there. That 2313 02:11:27.640 --> 02:11:33.520 is a phenomenally large amount of votes, and no human 2314 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:38.479 counting effort will ever be anywhere near as accurate as 2315 02:11:38.720 --> 02:11:44.079 a machine count can be. The problem and the worry 2316 02:11:44.960 --> 02:11:48.640 about the machines is that they can be hacked, that 2317 02:11:48.720 --> 02:11:54.399 they can be programmed maliciously before the election, that kind 2318 02:11:54.439 --> 02:11:58.880 of thing. And I look at what the casino industry 2319 02:11:58.920 --> 02:12:01.079 does and brought them in my background, I've done a 2320 02:12:01.079 --> 02:12:04.359 lot of work in the gaming industry over the years, 2321 02:12:05.279 --> 02:12:10.279 many many many casino management systems have defensive software built 2322 02:12:10.319 --> 02:12:13.159 into every one of those slot machines so that they 2323 02:12:13.319 --> 02:12:16.960 know if the software deviates from what it should be. 2324 02:12:18.159 --> 02:12:19.920 And I won't get into the technical details of it, 2325 02:12:19.960 --> 02:12:23.079 but it's something that you can absolutely do, and it's 2326 02:12:23.079 --> 02:12:26.119 something that you can absolutely bring forward into the election 2327 02:12:26.239 --> 02:12:30.600 machine software. We have the ability to know with confidence 2328 02:12:30.640 --> 02:12:35.560 what software is running on those machines, and we should 2329 02:12:35.560 --> 02:12:39.239 be using it. And as I said to Mike, Lindell 2330 02:12:39.399 --> 02:12:42.920 is one of the big, big pushers of we need 2331 02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:44.680 to be counting by hand. We need to be counting 2332 02:12:44.680 --> 02:12:47.359 by hand. And what I'll say is, first of all, 2333 02:12:47.359 --> 02:12:51.039 there's just no way that you can count thirty million 2334 02:12:51.119 --> 02:12:53.920 votes accurately by hand. First of all, it would take 2335 02:12:53.960 --> 02:12:58.560 forever to do that right. You would need an army 2336 02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:01.560 of people conducting the count. And then you know, human 2337 02:13:01.600 --> 02:13:05.039 beings make mistakes in that whole thing. It's just it 2338 02:13:05.199 --> 02:13:07.279 is too big a job, I think to do it, 2339 02:13:08.239 --> 02:13:11.279 to do it manually. And as I said to Mike, 2340 02:13:11.319 --> 02:13:17.159 I said, Mike, the problem is you're talking about squishy 2341 02:13:17.239 --> 02:13:20.720 reasons to count the mallets by hand, but you actually 2342 02:13:20.720 --> 02:13:25.439 haven't pointed out something that is an actual risk that's 2343 02:13:25.479 --> 02:13:30.079 happened that justifies making such a big change. So should 2344 02:13:30.079 --> 02:13:33.159 we harden our machines one hundred percent? And we should 2345 02:13:33.199 --> 02:13:36.479 have federal guidelines that all the machines have to adhere 2346 02:13:36.520 --> 02:13:39.439 to so that we can have some confidence that they 2347 02:13:39.479 --> 02:13:41.680 have not been hacked, and that the software that they're 2348 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:44.479 running has been vetted and is working the way it 2349 02:13:44.520 --> 02:13:47.439 needs to, and all that kind of thing. That's technology 2350 02:13:47.520 --> 02:13:52.359 that's already in place. I just don't see how. I mean, 2351 02:13:52.880 --> 02:13:54.720 if you or I were to sit down and start 2352 02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:59.199 tallying votes on a ballot, maybe we could tally if 2353 02:13:59.199 --> 02:14:04.079 it worked really fast, five hundred votes an hour, right, maybe? 2354 02:14:04.319 --> 02:14:07.479 I mean, you know, and now think about thirty getting 2355 02:14:07.479 --> 02:14:10.720 to thirty million votes five hundred votes an hour at 2356 02:14:10.720 --> 02:14:13.520 a time. This tells you how big the number is. 2357 02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:18.159 The number is probably sixty thousand hours of work to 2358 02:14:18.239 --> 02:14:22.640 get that done in Maricopa. And I don't think going 2359 02:14:22.680 --> 02:14:25.039 back to the Stone age for how we count votes 2360 02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:29.560 is going to be a workable answer for us in 2361 02:14:29.640 --> 02:14:30.600 this modern age. 2362 02:14:30.920 --> 02:14:35.039 Yeah, it's again, you know, when we look at the 2363 02:14:35.079 --> 02:14:38.760 electronics stuff, and I always talk about, and I've shown 2364 02:14:38.800 --> 02:14:44.399 several times an example going back to the late nineteen 2365 02:14:44.479 --> 02:14:48.640 nineties early two thousands, we have local college professors bring 2366 02:14:48.680 --> 02:14:50.760 some kids in. They say, well, let's take over this 2367 02:14:50.840 --> 02:14:53.880 machine here, and they put a virus on there that 2368 02:14:54.520 --> 02:14:59.760 tilts everything according to their predetermined ratios and then erases itself. 2369 02:15:00.199 --> 02:15:03.000 And so you know, the vulnerability there, I guess is 2370 02:15:04.039 --> 02:15:07.680 whether or not it's connected to the internet. Uh, and 2371 02:15:08.079 --> 02:15:12.720 whether or not somebody can reprogram it with you know, 2372 02:15:12.760 --> 02:15:16.119 by putting a thumb drive on there and installing some software. 2373 02:15:16.199 --> 02:15:18.359 How do you guard against that type of thing, that 2374 02:15:18.479 --> 02:15:22.319 kind of custody of the machine, for example, So you. 2375 02:15:22.319 --> 02:15:26.039 Know, the physical the in the same way that slot 2376 02:15:26.079 --> 02:15:31.239 machines have tremendous physical security around them in terms of surveillance, 2377 02:15:32.079 --> 02:15:38.319 both electronic and people watching. Uh, it's the same thing 2378 02:15:38.479 --> 02:15:41.800 with with voting machines. The sensitive areas of the voting 2379 02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:44.520 machine should be in on the back of the machine 2380 02:15:44.520 --> 02:15:45.600 where nobody is allowed. 2381 02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:46.479 Right. 2382 02:15:46.800 --> 02:15:49.199 So if you're putting a USB key in the front 2383 02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:52.560 of the machine and someone I can close the you know, 2384 02:15:52.680 --> 02:15:55.199 they can close the curtains and then plug something in. 2385 02:15:55.279 --> 02:15:58.199 I mean, that's that's that's a violated rule one on 2386 02:15:58.279 --> 02:16:03.960 one of physical security. You know, it's it's there are 2387 02:16:05.319 --> 02:16:08.399 for those who understand machine security and how to make 2388 02:16:08.439 --> 02:16:11.239 sure that the software that should be in there is 2389 02:16:11.279 --> 02:16:15.439 in there. It's all, that's all a solvable problem. 2390 02:16:15.800 --> 02:16:17.800 It really is, and it's part of your auditing. Did 2391 02:16:17.840 --> 02:16:21.680 you have videotapes of the physical security situation? 2392 02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:22.439 No? 2393 02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:26.640 No, we were strictly focused on the data the uh 2394 02:16:27.399 --> 02:16:30.039 they wanted me on, the hard data that was going 2395 02:16:31.239 --> 02:16:33.000 that they were hoping was going to be able to 2396 02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:36.959 go to court. I didn't get involved in any one 2397 02:16:37.000 --> 02:16:40.479 specific local issue, and for sure I didn't get into 2398 02:16:40.479 --> 02:16:43.639 any hearsay claims of any kind there was There wasn't 2399 02:16:43.639 --> 02:16:46.200 the time to get into that. You know, Look, there 2400 02:16:46.239 --> 02:16:50.200 are year a lot of people talk about election integrity 2401 02:16:50.239 --> 02:16:54.719 and I am a huge proponent of election integrity and 2402 02:16:54.760 --> 02:16:58.559 making sure that the data for our elections is as 2403 02:16:58.639 --> 02:17:01.319 clean as it can be. And one of the problems 2404 02:17:01.399 --> 02:17:05.760 with having the states do their own voter registration maintaining 2405 02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:09.000 their voter roles differently from each other is you end 2406 02:17:09.079 --> 02:17:10.959 up with some states that do a really good job 2407 02:17:11.000 --> 02:17:13.159 at it, and you do you have some states that 2408 02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:17.479 do an absolutely terrible job at it, and the terrible 2409 02:17:18.040 --> 02:17:20.120 side of things, I'm going to offer up two states 2410 02:17:20.840 --> 02:17:24.879 New Jersey and New York. In New Jersey in twenty twenty, 2411 02:17:25.360 --> 02:17:28.959 there were roughly twenty five thousand voters registered who had 2412 02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:33.719 a year of birth of eighteen hundred, which, if you 2413 02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:35.959 do the math, you realize that there's just no way 2414 02:17:36.120 --> 02:17:40.280 that any human being in twenty twenty had a birthdate 2415 02:17:40.319 --> 02:17:44.239 of eighteen hundred. And of those twenty five thousand registered 2416 02:17:44.280 --> 02:17:47.200 voters with a birth date of eighteen hundred, eight thousand 2417 02:17:47.360 --> 02:17:51.280 cast votes in twenty twenty. Now, some of your listeners 2418 02:17:51.280 --> 02:17:53.440 are going to be like, holy moly, that's voter fraud. 2419 02:17:54.159 --> 02:17:57.840 It's probably not what happens in a lot of different 2420 02:17:57.840 --> 02:18:00.360 computer systems, and this is happening in New Jersey system. 2421 02:18:00.799 --> 02:18:02.840 If they don't have a data berth for a voter, 2422 02:18:03.360 --> 02:18:06.520 they stick eighteen hundred in there as a placeholder. They 2423 02:18:06.559 --> 02:18:10.840 didn't have anything else. So eight thousand voters in New 2424 02:18:10.920 --> 02:18:15.000 Jersey cast votes in twenty twenty. That state election officials 2425 02:18:15.040 --> 02:18:18.280 don't know when those voters were born. Now that's a 2426 02:18:18.399 --> 02:18:22.280 problem all by itself, and it's one that election officials 2427 02:18:22.280 --> 02:18:25.520 in New Jersey still haven't fixed. They have really really 2428 02:18:26.159 --> 02:18:30.559 dirty data, right, and you see all kinds of different 2429 02:18:30.559 --> 02:18:36.200 ways that dirty data can impact registered voters and ultimately 2430 02:18:36.239 --> 02:18:40.760 can even impact whether people should be voting or not. Right. 2431 02:18:41.000 --> 02:18:43.799 I think in New Jersey you might find maybe some 2432 02:18:43.840 --> 02:18:46.040 of those eight thousand voters shouldn't have been voting for 2433 02:18:46.079 --> 02:18:49.239 some reason, but the state can't identify who those voters are. 2434 02:18:49.319 --> 02:18:52.079 You have to know someone's data birth to be able 2435 02:18:52.120 --> 02:18:55.399 to identify them using data, and New Jersey can't do that. 2436 02:18:55.520 --> 02:18:59.559 New York has a very similar problem and some worse ones. 2437 02:18:59.559 --> 02:19:01.079 And I don't want to get too far into it, 2438 02:19:01.120 --> 02:19:03.959 but there are millions of votes that happen in New 2439 02:19:04.079 --> 02:19:07.879 York State in twenty twenty by voters that they cannot 2440 02:19:07.879 --> 02:19:11.440 identify because those voters don't have a social Security number 2441 02:19:11.440 --> 02:19:15.639 of driver's license on file with election. That's an extraordinary thing, 2442 02:19:16.040 --> 02:19:18.920 and it's a huge problem for New York election officials 2443 02:19:18.959 --> 02:19:22.360 because they can't possibly maintain the data in their system 2444 02:19:22.680 --> 02:19:25.920 without having that information. That's just two examples. When you 2445 02:19:26.079 --> 02:19:29.520 move from one state to another, some states are able 2446 02:19:29.559 --> 02:19:33.559 to track down the movement and cancel the registration for 2447 02:19:33.680 --> 02:19:36.120 when somebody moves from state to state. A lot of 2448 02:19:36.120 --> 02:19:38.479 other states cannot, and so we end up with people 2449 02:19:38.520 --> 02:19:41.879 with duplicate registrations. We end up sometimes with people with 2450 02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:46.719 four or five duplicated registrations. There's all manner of stuff 2451 02:19:46.799 --> 02:19:51.719 like that that's happening. And for me, as a technology professional, 2452 02:19:52.159 --> 02:19:55.559 I can't stand the fact that our elections depend on 2453 02:19:55.680 --> 02:19:59.159 data that at times can be extraordinarily dirty. And we 2454 02:19:59.440 --> 02:20:02.319 have the techechnology and the means to fix this, and 2455 02:20:02.399 --> 02:20:05.079 I think it's criminal that we don't. 2456 02:20:06.239 --> 02:20:07.879 And of course we've got a lot of jurisdictions where 2457 02:20:07.879 --> 02:20:10.239 they want to give the vote to even non citizens. 2458 02:20:10.399 --> 02:20:15.399 So I mean it's like there's this whole spectrum of 2459 02:20:15.440 --> 02:20:18.000 what is out there. So, in your opinion, how do 2460 02:20:18.040 --> 02:20:19.920 we what's the best way to fix this? I mean, 2461 02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:23.079 do you have to have some kind of a national 2462 02:20:23.159 --> 02:20:26.680 standard and some kind of inspectors. I mean, I think 2463 02:20:26.719 --> 02:20:28.479 one of the reasons we have the kind of system 2464 02:20:28.520 --> 02:20:31.959 that we've got is because there was an aversion to 2465 02:20:32.040 --> 02:20:36.639 centralizing things because if you centralize things, now you've got 2466 02:20:36.680 --> 02:20:40.319 one point that you can corrupt or you can infiltrate, 2467 02:20:40.479 --> 02:20:42.680 and now you've got the entire system. So there's a 2468 02:20:42.760 --> 02:20:45.559 danger in centralization as well. How would this work out? 2469 02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:52.399 So leaving any ideology out of my answer, as a technologist. 2470 02:20:53.040 --> 02:20:56.959 The only sane way to conduct our federal elections is 2471 02:20:57.000 --> 02:21:01.600 with a federal voter registration database. If we got rid 2472 02:21:01.639 --> 02:21:06.079 of the fifty different implementations of the voter registration that 2473 02:21:06.120 --> 02:21:08.680 we have right now. In fact, it's way more than fifty. 2474 02:21:10.159 --> 02:21:15.440 Most large states make the responsibility of elections at the 2475 02:21:15.479 --> 02:21:18.799 county level, and so in many ways we have as 2476 02:21:18.799 --> 02:21:23.159 many as four thousand or five thousand different election systems 2477 02:21:23.440 --> 02:21:25.799 that all do things a bit differently from each other 2478 02:21:27.079 --> 02:21:31.479 technologically speaking, the right answer, and we would eliminate most 2479 02:21:31.680 --> 02:21:36.079 of the voter integrity issues that we suffer from if 2480 02:21:36.120 --> 02:21:42.280 we had a federalized voter registry. I understand with states' 2481 02:21:42.319 --> 02:21:46.399 rights and a whole bunch of either ideological arguments or 2482 02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:50.920 even the security argument of well, you know, if you 2483 02:21:51.000 --> 02:21:54.719 have just one, you know what happens. I don't believe 2484 02:21:54.760 --> 02:21:59.200 that the voting should happen on a federal level with 2485 02:21:59.280 --> 02:22:01.760 just one system, but I do believe that the voter 2486 02:22:01.879 --> 02:22:05.799 registration should be done that way. So if somebody hacks 2487 02:22:05.799 --> 02:22:09.399 a voter registration system, and by the way, how many 2488 02:22:09.479 --> 02:22:14.440 counties do you know that have high quality data employees 2489 02:22:14.479 --> 02:22:15.760 working for them technologists? 2490 02:22:15.840 --> 02:22:16.399 Right? 2491 02:22:16.479 --> 02:22:16.760 Uh? 2492 02:22:17.079 --> 02:22:20.399 The lower down we pushed the conduct of our elections. 2493 02:22:20.479 --> 02:22:24.840 I believe the more likely it is that those the 2494 02:22:25.360 --> 02:22:28.559 county level is where it's most likely that you can 2495 02:22:28.559 --> 02:22:32.520 see successful hacking, because they just don't have the technological 2496 02:22:32.559 --> 02:22:35.239 expertise that you need, as you would as you move 2497 02:22:35.239 --> 02:22:37.959 your move your way up the chain to state level 2498 02:22:38.000 --> 02:22:41.280 technologists and ultimately federal level technologists. Uh. 2499 02:22:41.719 --> 02:22:44.479 And of course we've also seen I've also seen the 2500 02:22:44.559 --> 02:22:46.520 CIA and the n s A and the FBI and 2501 02:22:48.399 --> 02:22:51.200 as well, from the top to the bottom is vulnerable. 2502 02:22:51.319 --> 02:22:53.680 So you know, it's a real quite, it's a real quandary. 2503 02:22:54.360 --> 02:22:56.920 So you know, voter registration in a lot of ways 2504 02:22:57.120 --> 02:23:02.799 is less. Uh, the danger of a hack there is 2505 02:23:03.079 --> 02:23:05.799 lower than the danger of a hack to an actual 2506 02:23:05.879 --> 02:23:10.559 election system that conducts the process of our election. Right right, 2507 02:23:10.719 --> 02:23:14.120 So I don't believe I believe it would be wrong 2508 02:23:14.319 --> 02:23:18.200 to have federalized voting. I only talk about the voter 2509 02:23:18.319 --> 02:23:21.799 registration with an eye towards the cleanest data that we 2510 02:23:21.920 --> 02:23:26.840 can have. Uh, you know, we live, we live in it. 2511 02:23:26.959 --> 02:23:29.559 We live in a in a society, in an age 2512 02:23:29.639 --> 02:23:35.639 where there probably isn't a computer system anywhere that's hardened 2513 02:23:35.680 --> 02:23:39.760 well enough to prevent someone who's really determined to get 2514 02:23:39.799 --> 02:23:42.920 at it to get at it. Uh, you have to 2515 02:23:43.040 --> 02:23:44.920 watch it really carefully, and you have to see what. 2516 02:23:45.239 --> 02:23:47.840 You have to have the surveillance systems in place to 2517 02:23:47.959 --> 02:23:51.000 know when it's happening and to stop it before it goes. 2518 02:23:51.879 --> 02:23:53.719 You can put that sort of stuff in front of 2519 02:23:53.920 --> 02:23:56.040 a system like the If we were to do a 2520 02:23:56.120 --> 02:23:59.840 federalized voter registration system, I think that that system should 2521 02:23:59.840 --> 02:24:03.639 all have biometrics on it. You know, we use social 2522 02:24:03.639 --> 02:24:07.959 security numbers as the most sensitive identifier we have. Right, 2523 02:24:08.479 --> 02:24:10.639 if you're working at a job, you have to supply 2524 02:24:10.920 --> 02:24:13.879 your social Security number. It's how you file your taxes, 2525 02:24:13.959 --> 02:24:15.479 all this stuff. You have to give a social Security 2526 02:24:15.559 --> 02:24:17.520 number to any banks that you want to open up 2527 02:24:17.520 --> 02:24:20.719 bank accounts with. And the problem is hackers have every 2528 02:24:20.760 --> 02:24:23.680 one of our social security numbers, all of them, right, 2529 02:24:23.959 --> 02:24:27.120 They've been hacked so many times it's no longer secure. 2530 02:24:28.319 --> 02:24:30.799 I think we should replace social security numbers with a 2531 02:24:30.879 --> 02:24:36.920 new identifier. We're the only first world country that doesn't 2532 02:24:36.959 --> 02:24:38.200 have a national identifier. 2533 02:24:38.639 --> 02:24:41.000 Well, what happens if you do a biometric and somebody 2534 02:24:41.079 --> 02:24:44.120 steals your your database. Now they're stolen your face. What 2535 02:24:44.159 --> 02:24:45.799 do you do. I mean, if they steal your pass 2536 02:24:45.799 --> 02:24:48.479 code or something, you get a new one to go 2537 02:24:48.600 --> 02:24:51.319 get plastic surgery or to vote again, what do you 2538 02:24:51.399 --> 02:24:54.840 do with that? To me, that's a big issue. And 2539 02:24:54.959 --> 02:24:59.159 of course, you know, when we look at equating, you 2540 02:24:59.200 --> 02:25:02.159 know a lot of us have very very strong concerns 2541 02:25:02.360 --> 02:25:07.159 about you know, creating a centralized state where we have 2542 02:25:07.360 --> 02:25:09.719 to have some kind of a centralized ID. You know, 2543 02:25:09.799 --> 02:25:14.159 that kind of flows into a CBDC type of scenario 2544 02:25:14.280 --> 02:25:18.079 and other other concerns about a global ID, and so 2545 02:25:18.280 --> 02:25:21.479 that that gets a lot a lot of people to 2546 02:25:21.760 --> 02:25:23.680 take the safety off their gun when you start talking 2547 02:25:23.719 --> 02:25:24.920 about that, Dimathe. 2548 02:25:24.799 --> 02:25:26.840 No, I get it, I get it. But if your 2549 02:25:26.959 --> 02:25:31.479 concern is election integrity, the biggest threat to integrity is 2550 02:25:31.559 --> 02:25:33.639 the way we currently conduct the election. I mean, that's 2551 02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:36.120 that's just a simple statement of fact. 2552 02:25:36.360 --> 02:25:38.879 Well, I mean, and you know, as unwieldy as it is, 2553 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:43.200 you know, when they ran elections in Iraq, what they 2554 02:25:43.239 --> 02:25:46.440 did was they did on one day and you know, 2555 02:25:46.479 --> 02:25:48.639 they couldn't tell these people are legitimate if they'd walked 2556 02:25:48.639 --> 02:25:50.959 across the border, but they could keep them from voting 2557 02:25:51.040 --> 02:25:52.920 multiple times. And so you would go in and you'd 2558 02:25:53.000 --> 02:25:56.040 vote on paper, and then you would get this indelible 2559 02:25:56.280 --> 02:25:57.879 stain on your thumb that's going to be there for 2560 02:25:57.920 --> 02:25:59.479 the rest of the day, so that you couldn't vote again. 2561 02:26:00.479 --> 02:26:02.479 If we go ultra crude like that, I know it's 2562 02:26:02.520 --> 02:26:05.600 a big hassle to count this stuff, but I mean, 2563 02:26:05.639 --> 02:26:12.520 if people really wanted a system, they would invest the 2564 02:26:12.600 --> 02:26:15.239 time in terms of maybe volunteering or something like that. 2565 02:26:15.360 --> 02:26:18.520 I know that's idealistic, but I mean, why not go 2566 02:26:18.719 --> 02:26:21.840 ultra low tech one day and the purple thumb? 2567 02:26:23.440 --> 02:26:28.319 I mean, how many elections that way? Do you hear 2568 02:26:28.399 --> 02:26:31.479 stories about a whole bunch of ballots being stuffed anyway? 2569 02:26:31.799 --> 02:26:31.920 Right? 2570 02:26:32.600 --> 02:26:36.600 Even people have inkstained hands, that doesn't handle the physical 2571 02:26:36.680 --> 02:26:40.920 security of the actual ballot box sitting there. You know, Look, 2572 02:26:41.079 --> 02:26:43.879 I live in a state where it wasn't all that 2573 02:26:44.000 --> 02:26:48.479 long ago where some elected officials were arrested driving around 2574 02:26:48.520 --> 02:26:50.799 with a bunch of absentee ballots in the trunks of 2575 02:26:50.799 --> 02:26:51.280 their cars. 2576 02:26:51.399 --> 02:26:53.319 Yeah, right, and we saw that going back to the 2577 02:26:53.399 --> 02:26:56.040 nineteen sixties, or reports of people driving around with the 2578 02:26:56.159 --> 02:26:57.760 voting machines in the back of their car and that 2579 02:26:57.840 --> 02:26:59.200 type of thing. You're always going to have that I 2580 02:26:59.239 --> 02:27:01.600 guess the thing for me personally, and I've talked about this, 2581 02:27:01.719 --> 02:27:04.799 I said, because what scares me about the computerized voting 2582 02:27:05.159 --> 02:27:08.879 is that if you're able to hack the actual voting system, 2583 02:27:08.959 --> 02:27:11.200 you know, different from the from the ID stuff, but 2584 02:27:11.239 --> 02:27:13.399 if you're able to hack the actual voting system that 2585 02:27:13.520 --> 02:27:16.799 gives you access from a remote area to be able 2586 02:27:16.920 --> 02:27:22.079 to manipulate things across the country, or you can manipulate 2587 02:27:22.159 --> 02:27:23.600 from the top of the ballot to the bottom of 2588 02:27:23.600 --> 02:27:25.319 the ballot. I mean once you get if you get 2589 02:27:25.440 --> 02:27:29.559 in there, the payoff is so incredibly large that it 2590 02:27:29.680 --> 02:27:32.840 really is a big honeypot, you know, for people. In 2591 02:27:32.959 --> 02:27:34.799 terms of the allure, I think, no. 2592 02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:38.760 No, differently than casino systems, right, and in a lot 2593 02:27:38.799 --> 02:27:43.319 of ways, the you know, rigging a casino machine to 2594 02:27:43.559 --> 02:27:45.520 walk out the door with a million dollars in cash, 2595 02:27:46.079 --> 02:27:48.159 in a lot of ways is probably a bigger prize 2596 02:27:48.200 --> 02:27:53.280 and than most other things. And the industry has dealt 2597 02:27:53.440 --> 02:27:58.200 with that threat. We can deal with the threat of 2598 02:28:00.920 --> 02:28:05.079 the hacking and the cyber attacks on election systems, We 2599 02:28:05.200 --> 02:28:09.760 really can. It really comes down to a question of 2600 02:28:09.799 --> 02:28:12.920 will and money. But I don't know how we don't 2601 02:28:13.040 --> 02:28:17.319 insist that the same protections that go into slot machines 2602 02:28:17.879 --> 02:28:23.959 aren't already in most of the machines that conduct our elections. 2603 02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:26.399 I know some of the machines that conduct our elections 2604 02:28:26.479 --> 02:28:28.559 do have this in there. They all should have it, 2605 02:28:28.639 --> 02:28:30.319 and if we have that, I think we can all 2606 02:28:30.399 --> 02:28:31.520 rest a bit easier about it. 2607 02:28:32.079 --> 02:28:34.239 Well, it's a good analogy. I guess we'll end on that. 2608 02:28:34.319 --> 02:28:36.799 I think that there's many analogies that could be drawn 2609 02:28:36.799 --> 02:28:42.280 between the electoral system and the casino. The house always wins, 2610 02:28:42.319 --> 02:28:46.959 I think in both cases. But that is very interesting, 2611 02:28:47.040 --> 02:28:49.399 and I'm sure I haven't had a chance to read 2612 02:28:49.399 --> 02:28:50.719 your book. I didn't get a copy of it yet 2613 02:28:50.719 --> 02:28:52.840 because I wanted to get you on quickly, but I'm 2614 02:28:52.879 --> 02:28:55.360 sure it is very interesting. I think people be interested 2615 02:28:55.799 --> 02:29:01.280 to see what you found that people are still talking about, 2616 02:29:02.159 --> 02:29:05.719 and more importantly, what does that portend for the election 2617 02:29:05.840 --> 02:29:08.000 that's coming up now and I guess maybe about ninety 2618 02:29:08.079 --> 02:29:11.239 days or something like that, and what can we do. 2619 02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:12.920 Certainly there's not going to be a thing that we 2620 02:29:12.959 --> 02:29:16.200 can do to fix it between now and then, but 2621 02:29:16.399 --> 02:29:19.879 it gives us some idea of what we can still expect. 2622 02:29:20.639 --> 02:29:22.440 But then we really do need to take I think 2623 02:29:22.639 --> 02:29:25.520 one thing. Everybody agrees that we need to do something 2624 02:29:26.360 --> 02:29:30.959 to make the electoral system more trustworthy, that people have 2625 02:29:31.239 --> 02:29:34.520 a confidence that their vote is counted and counted accurately. 2626 02:29:35.159 --> 02:29:37.239 I think that is a paramount importance, and so it's 2627 02:29:37.319 --> 02:29:39.799 very I'm glad to see that you wrote a book 2628 02:29:39.840 --> 02:29:43.799 about your experience with that. And again, the book is 2629 02:29:43.879 --> 02:29:48.159 disproven my unbiased search for voter fraud for the Trump 2630 02:29:48.239 --> 02:29:50.959 campaign and the data that shows why he lost and 2631 02:29:51.159 --> 02:29:53.040 how we can improve our elections. And by the way, 2632 02:29:53.319 --> 02:29:57.040 you can find this at kenblock dot com. There's a 2633 02:29:57.120 --> 02:29:59.000 link there to buy the book and you can get 2634 02:29:59.040 --> 02:30:01.040 information about it. There. Anything else you'd like to tell 2635 02:30:01.079 --> 02:30:03.079 us about the book before we run out of time. 2636 02:30:03.479 --> 02:30:06.000 Yeah, I mean, look, the back of the book is 2637 02:30:06.079 --> 02:30:09.840 the most important part of the book. Fixing our elections 2638 02:30:10.120 --> 02:30:15.600 is patriotic, it's mission critical. It's the most important thing. 2639 02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:20.040 Michael Lindell and I disagreed about the outcome of the elections, 2640 02:30:20.079 --> 02:30:22.680 but we were in sync on the need to make 2641 02:30:22.840 --> 02:30:25.920 changes to make things happen better. I've spoken to Republican 2642 02:30:26.000 --> 02:30:29.319 secretaries of state, I've spoken to Democratic secretaries of state. 2643 02:30:29.719 --> 02:30:33.079 There is a lot of over agreement overlap in agreement 2644 02:30:33.479 --> 02:30:35.280 on some of the things that we should be doing 2645 02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:39.040 to make our elections better. And we need to move 2646 02:30:39.159 --> 02:30:41.840 beyond where we're at in terms of our discussions of 2647 02:30:41.920 --> 02:30:46.040 elections and looking backwards and dealing with whatever happens here 2648 02:30:46.159 --> 02:30:49.440 in November. To move forward, we need to have an 2649 02:30:49.440 --> 02:30:53.200 adult conversation about making our elections better and get in 2650 02:30:53.280 --> 02:30:55.799 to it and taking this moment in time to really 2651 02:30:55.840 --> 02:30:56.440 improve things. 2652 02:30:56.680 --> 02:30:59.639 Yeah, I agree, And it's not just that we would 2653 02:30:59.639 --> 02:31:02.120 like to get the right answers, but I mean, in 2654 02:31:02.239 --> 02:31:06.319 this time of polarization, Uh, if we don't have trustworthy elections, 2655 02:31:06.319 --> 02:31:09.159 I'm very concerned that the you know, the civil war 2656 02:31:09.280 --> 02:31:10.920 over it or something like that. A lot of talk 2657 02:31:10.959 --> 02:31:14.360 about that on both sides, and so, uh, it's it's 2658 02:31:14.440 --> 02:31:17.559 having something that you trust, that you can audit that 2659 02:31:17.760 --> 02:31:21.239 is that is really key. So again, you've got the 2660 02:31:21.639 --> 02:31:24.959 second half of your book is about your recommendations for 2661 02:31:25.079 --> 02:31:27.360 how to do that from somebody who is an expert 2662 02:31:27.559 --> 02:31:31.639 on auditing it. And you've seen the tricks that can 2663 02:31:31.719 --> 02:31:34.559 be pulled, and so that is no system is going 2664 02:31:34.600 --> 02:31:37.479 to be perfect. Any system can be infiltrated and has 2665 02:31:37.520 --> 02:31:39.799 its own flaws and so the question is what do 2666 02:31:39.879 --> 02:31:44.559 we do to try to minimize that and mitigate those risks. 2667 02:31:44.600 --> 02:31:46.360 So thank you so much for the work that you do. 2668 02:31:46.440 --> 02:31:50.200 And again you can find this at kenblock dot com 2669 02:31:50.399 --> 02:31:52.719 and the book is disproven. Thank you so much, sir, 2670 02:31:52.879 --> 02:31:53.399 appreciate it. 2671 02:31:53.520 --> 02:31:53.719 Thanks. 2672 02:31:54.000 --> 02:31:57.600 Hearing of biased and false news has all too common 2673 02:31:57.680 --> 02:31:58.639 on social media. 2674 02:31:58.920 --> 02:31:59.920 More learning. 2675 02:32:05.319 --> 02:32:17.520 First, unfortunately, exactly, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2676 02:32:17.799 --> 02:32:19.920 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2677 02:32:20.280 --> 02:32:22.520 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2678 02:32:22.719 --> 02:32:24.840 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2679 02:32:25.000 --> 02:32:27.120 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2680 02:32:27.520 --> 02:32:29.959 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2681 02:32:30.200 --> 02:32:32.440 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2682 02:32:33.000 --> 02:32:35.520 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2683 02:32:35.760 --> 02:32:38.040 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 2684 02:32:38.280 --> 02:32:40.760 Break free from the usual script with a David Knight 2685 02:32:40.840 --> 02:32:44.479 Show a fresh perspective bringing you genuine insights on current events. 2686 02:32:44.719 --> 02:32:46.440 But if the show is going to stay on the air, 2687 02:32:46.639 --> 02:32:50.680 we'll need your continued support. 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Because independent, 2691 02:33:00.200 --> 02:33:05.319 listener funded news untouched by corporate globalist agendas is extremely 2692 02:33:05.440 --> 02:33:07.959 important to our liberties. 2693 02:34:36.159 --> 02:34:56.920 Pop Pop Pop Pop Taata Papa Papa Papa Poppo pop. 2694 02:35:19.920 --> 02:35:22.719 All right, we're back, and I wanted to talk to 2695 02:35:23.200 --> 02:35:26.360 Lisa Hanson, who was kind enough to come on and 2696 02:35:26.600 --> 02:35:28.719 tell us her story about what happened to her as 2697 02:35:28.799 --> 02:35:33.559 a small business person during the lockdown under a kind 2698 02:35:33.600 --> 02:35:37.159 of medical martial law and a governor who was one 2699 02:35:37.200 --> 02:35:39.879 of the worst tyrants there. The vice presidential candidate for 2700 02:35:39.959 --> 02:35:44.399 the Democrats now Tim Walls, and I want people to 2701 02:35:44.520 --> 02:35:47.920 remember what happened during this They want to flush this 2702 02:35:48.000 --> 02:35:49.799 down in the memory hole, but they want to do 2703 02:35:49.879 --> 02:35:51.360 that because they want to bring it back. We have 2704 02:35:51.479 --> 02:35:57.120 to remember what happened and say never again. Lisa is 2705 02:35:57.159 --> 02:35:59.319 a wife, mother, and grandmother. She married her high school 2706 02:35:59.319 --> 02:36:01.680 sweetheart at the age of eighteen and never looked back, 2707 02:36:01.840 --> 02:36:05.000 she says. Lisa and her husband have eight beautiful children 2708 02:36:05.399 --> 02:36:06.799 and by the end of the year they will have 2709 02:36:07.079 --> 02:36:12.559 eighteen grandchildren. Congratulations, that's wonderful. They've owned and operated businesses 2710 02:36:12.639 --> 02:36:15.440 for well over thirty years. They know what they're doing. 2711 02:36:16.319 --> 02:36:18.520 Most businesses, if they're going to fail, they fail within 2712 02:36:18.559 --> 02:36:21.440 the first five years. You've done this for thirty years, 2713 02:36:21.479 --> 02:36:23.280 So thank you for joining us. Lisa, I appreciate you 2714 02:36:23.360 --> 02:36:24.680 coming on and telling us your story. 2715 02:36:26.120 --> 02:36:26.840 Thank you so much. 2716 02:36:27.239 --> 02:36:29.120 Tell us a bit about your business. Well, thank you, 2717 02:36:29.319 --> 02:36:30.879 and thank you for what you're doing, and thank you 2718 02:36:31.040 --> 02:36:32.920 for coming on and talking to people, because it's important 2719 02:36:32.920 --> 02:36:34.639 we don't forget this. Tell people a little bit about 2720 02:36:35.319 --> 02:36:39.280 what your business was like before the so called pandemic. 2721 02:36:40.760 --> 02:36:44.040 Oh man, it was a thriving business. It was located 2722 02:36:44.120 --> 02:36:47.399 right in the heart of the historical downtown part of 2723 02:36:47.440 --> 02:36:51.399 Albert Lee, Minnesota, and a thriving business. I say that 2724 02:36:51.520 --> 02:36:53.680 because it was a well loved business, not only by 2725 02:36:54.639 --> 02:36:59.399 the locals of the area, but we did a specialty coffee, 2726 02:37:00.079 --> 02:37:05.040 special tea, sandwiches, pastries, specialty even so I would say 2727 02:37:05.040 --> 02:37:08.120 specialty wine because we had some great selection of wine 2728 02:37:08.159 --> 02:37:11.399 and beers, and a lot of fun. We had, you know, 2729 02:37:12.399 --> 02:37:15.280 a little night life going on. We had live music. 2730 02:37:15.440 --> 02:37:18.399 We just had the whole gamut of a really great 2731 02:37:18.639 --> 02:37:21.440 vibe and a great experience for people just to kind 2732 02:37:21.440 --> 02:37:24.079 of come in, turn it off and just sit and 2733 02:37:24.280 --> 02:37:27.239 enjoy great business. I know that it was a well 2734 02:37:27.319 --> 02:37:29.840 loved business, and I know that it is missed only 2735 02:37:29.920 --> 02:37:32.559 because I have people still stop me on the street saying, 2736 02:37:32.639 --> 02:37:36.239 we really miss your restaurants so great. It was kind 2737 02:37:36.239 --> 02:37:38.440 of always a dream of mine and my husband's, and 2738 02:37:38.559 --> 02:37:41.920 we kind of modeled our business after some of the 2739 02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:45.360 European bistros that we have visited as we've had the 2740 02:37:45.399 --> 02:37:48.920 opportunity to travel. So great, little business, A lot of fun, 2741 02:37:49.239 --> 02:37:50.799 that's great. A lot of hard work, a lot of 2742 02:37:50.840 --> 02:37:51.920 hard work, a lot of fun. 2743 02:37:52.079 --> 02:37:53.559 Now you poured a lot of work, poured a lot 2744 02:37:53.600 --> 02:37:55.440 of money into it. You knew the people that were there, 2745 02:37:55.479 --> 02:37:58.280 and that's characteristic of small mom and pop businesses. That's 2746 02:37:58.280 --> 02:37:59.920 the way we ran our business as well. We got 2747 02:38:00.000 --> 02:38:01.959 I know, the customers on a regular basis that would 2748 02:38:01.959 --> 02:38:05.440 come in and of course you you know, were in 2749 02:38:05.479 --> 02:38:07.159 an area there was a tourist area, so you had 2750 02:38:07.159 --> 02:38:09.280 a lot of people would pass through there and then 2751 02:38:09.280 --> 02:38:13.239 all of a sudden, you're declared non essential. And that 2752 02:38:13.440 --> 02:38:15.440 was one of the things that really bothered me that 2753 02:38:15.559 --> 02:38:20.079 happened to us. Once during a major storm, they allowed 2754 02:38:20.200 --> 02:38:22.760 walmarts open up, but they declared us to be non essential, 2755 02:38:22.799 --> 02:38:24.680 and they sent the police around to shut us down 2756 02:38:25.200 --> 02:38:29.239 when we opened up. And to me, one of the 2757 02:38:29.399 --> 02:38:33.200 key things that really bothered me about this whole lockdown 2758 02:38:33.600 --> 02:38:36.360 is how they would say that the big Wall Street companies, 2759 02:38:36.440 --> 02:38:38.959 the big big box companies that trade their stock on 2760 02:38:39.000 --> 02:38:42.239 Wall Street, they're essential, like the walmarts. But all the 2761 02:38:42.319 --> 02:38:44.319 mom and pops are not essential because most of the 2762 02:38:44.360 --> 02:38:47.840 mom and pops are going to be involved in service businesses. 2763 02:38:48.159 --> 02:38:50.120 And so they came after the restaurants, and they came 2764 02:38:50.239 --> 02:38:52.760 after the nail salons and the barbershops and all the 2765 02:38:52.840 --> 02:38:54.680 rest of this stuff that were in service businesses and 2766 02:38:54.760 --> 02:38:57.159 said you're non essential and we're going to shut you down. 2767 02:38:57.239 --> 02:39:00.000 They came after Main Street while they protected Wall Stree 2768 02:39:00.639 --> 02:39:02.920 and they called us non essential. So what was it 2769 02:39:03.079 --> 02:39:04.799 like when this all rolled out? What happened? 2770 02:39:06.360 --> 02:39:10.680 And in contrast, Governor Walls shut down all those businesses 2771 02:39:10.760 --> 02:39:14.719 that you just mentioned. And in contrast, he allowed the 2772 02:39:14.840 --> 02:39:18.559 big box stores to stay open, the liquor stores and 2773 02:39:19.200 --> 02:39:23.520 the strip clubs because they were essential all of. 2774 02:39:23.520 --> 02:39:26.000 These business Churches are churches are no? 2775 02:39:26.120 --> 02:39:28.040 Oh no, He shut the churches down, He shut the 2776 02:39:28.040 --> 02:39:30.600 schools down. It went on and on, and it was 2777 02:39:31.719 --> 02:39:32.040 what was it? 2778 02:39:32.120 --> 02:39:32.239 Life? 2779 02:39:32.360 --> 02:39:34.319 Urs? It was shocking. You know, we've never been through 2780 02:39:34.319 --> 02:39:38.520 anything like this in our time in this country, which 2781 02:39:38.559 --> 02:39:42.319 has been from birth, so we've never seen anything like this. 2782 02:39:43.079 --> 02:39:46.680 It was shocking. The state of Minnesota, I think, took 2783 02:39:46.760 --> 02:39:50.959 the path of you know, communism. There's no doubt about that. 2784 02:39:51.280 --> 02:39:54.479 The governor had no right or authority, I should say, 2785 02:39:54.520 --> 02:39:57.040 to do what he did, but yet he did it, 2786 02:39:57.719 --> 02:40:01.079 and he got away with it. It still has gotten 2787 02:40:01.079 --> 02:40:03.280 away with it. There's been no accountability for that, and 2788 02:40:03.319 --> 02:40:05.399 there should have been. There was a lot of I 2789 02:40:05.600 --> 02:40:11.959 believe that he has acted criminally. The governor has acted criminally, 2790 02:40:12.120 --> 02:40:14.319 and he should be he should be prosecuted. 2791 02:40:14.639 --> 02:40:17.639 I agree, Yeah, I agree. And the problem is that 2792 02:40:17.680 --> 02:40:19.879 they're not doing it because everybody was on board with it, 2793 02:40:19.959 --> 02:40:22.239 you know, everybody. It was the democratic governors, and yet 2794 02:40:22.280 --> 02:40:24.520 I look at what happened with the wine in Ohio. 2795 02:40:24.680 --> 02:40:26.120 He is one of the worst ones as well. He's 2796 02:40:26.120 --> 02:40:29.399 a Republican. And they had practiced this for twenty years. 2797 02:40:29.760 --> 02:40:31.559 The first one of these Germ Games two months before 2798 02:40:31.639 --> 02:40:33.399 nine to eleven. Then they put out the model state 2799 02:40:33.520 --> 02:40:36.239 legislation for the states to enact to give themselves the 2800 02:40:36.319 --> 02:40:40.360 power because they didn't want to directly order it from Washington. Instead, 2801 02:40:40.440 --> 02:40:43.079 they you know, Trump financed the money and when people 2802 02:40:43.159 --> 02:40:46.040 were really up against it and had lost jobs and 2803 02:40:46.159 --> 02:40:48.920 lost were losing businesses and everything. He tries to paper 2804 02:40:48.959 --> 02:40:52.120 it over and assuage their anger by putting out the 2805 02:40:52.200 --> 02:40:54.760 PPP and the Cares Act. How did that help? Did 2806 02:40:54.799 --> 02:40:55.399 that help you out? 2807 02:40:57.680 --> 02:40:59.479 We were hanging on by a thread and we had 2808 02:40:59.520 --> 02:41:05.000 really you know, used up all of our resources as owners. 2809 02:41:05.520 --> 02:41:08.959 And the second shutdown came along. In the first shutdown 2810 02:41:09.000 --> 02:41:11.479 happened in March of twenty twenty. Then the second shutdown 2811 02:41:11.559 --> 02:41:14.120 came around twenty twenty. Now keep in mind we were 2812 02:41:14.200 --> 02:41:19.399 never fully opened by the governor's governor Dictator Wallas's word. 2813 02:41:22.200 --> 02:41:25.559 So in all the while from March all the way 2814 02:41:25.639 --> 02:41:29.399 up to November of the second full shutdown on these 2815 02:41:29.440 --> 02:41:36.360 particular non essential businesses, we we realized. 2816 02:41:36.000 --> 02:41:36.760 This is not right. 2817 02:41:38.000 --> 02:41:40.879 He does not have the authority. As we started digging 2818 02:41:40.959 --> 02:41:44.879 in and learning because David, unlike you, I have just 2819 02:41:45.440 --> 02:41:48.280 started learning and becoming aware of my eyes opening in 2820 02:41:48.399 --> 02:41:51.200 the really being opened in the last you know, four 2821 02:41:51.319 --> 02:41:55.719 years or so and shocking experience, trying to wrap our 2822 02:41:55.760 --> 02:41:59.479 heads around everything that we believed, almost everything that we 2823 02:41:59.559 --> 02:42:03.680 believed was a lie. Yes, so that it just your 2824 02:42:03.760 --> 02:42:07.680 eyes continue to be open and at the time, what 2825 02:42:07.799 --> 02:42:09.319 do you do with that? You know, when we were 2826 02:42:09.360 --> 02:42:13.440 going through this in twenty twenty, we we did consent 2827 02:42:14.040 --> 02:42:15.680 because we didn't know what else to do, to be 2828 02:42:15.760 --> 02:42:19.840 honest with you, until the second full shutdown came for 2829 02:42:20.079 --> 02:42:23.079 dine in restaurants being one of the businesses that was 2830 02:42:23.120 --> 02:42:26.079 shut down. Ours was a ninety ninety five percent dining 2831 02:42:26.120 --> 02:42:29.440 in company, and there's no way that we could have survived. 2832 02:42:29.479 --> 02:42:32.280 We didn't really survive. We were hanging on by a thread, 2833 02:42:32.360 --> 02:42:35.000 and not even really that. I told my husband, I said, 2834 02:42:35.000 --> 02:42:37.319 if he does this again, if he goes, if he 2835 02:42:37.440 --> 02:42:39.440 shuts us down completely, if he shuts us down at 2836 02:42:39.440 --> 02:42:42.719 all any more than what we already are, and we're 2837 02:42:42.719 --> 02:42:45.280 almost done anyway, We're almost down of business because we've 2838 02:42:45.319 --> 02:42:49.360 exhausted everything we've got. Right, you know how that works. 2839 02:42:49.760 --> 02:42:52.319 You've got to have revenue coming in to be able 2840 02:42:52.399 --> 02:42:54.479 to you know, pay your bills, pay your employees, and 2841 02:42:55.479 --> 02:42:56.399 advance the business. 2842 02:42:56.559 --> 02:42:59.559 Right, So let's talk about how it rolled out, you know, 2843 02:43:00.159 --> 02:43:03.760 because did he roll us out kind of gradually and 2844 02:43:04.399 --> 02:43:06.879 iteratively like any of this? 2845 02:43:07.000 --> 02:43:09.040 So how did he roll Yeah, it was it was 2846 02:43:09.159 --> 02:43:12.239 two weeks shut down, one hundred percent. No nobody can 2847 02:43:12.280 --> 02:43:14.520 come in your business right two weeks, but the two 2848 02:43:14.559 --> 02:43:18.600 weeks turned into two and one half months. Wow, and 2849 02:43:18.760 --> 02:43:21.120 then he back started backing off. Okay, you can be 2850 02:43:21.200 --> 02:43:24.719 seventy five percent open. Okay, you can be fifty percent open, 2851 02:43:25.680 --> 02:43:29.920 twenty five percent. Then when November came, then it was 2852 02:43:30.319 --> 02:43:33.399 full full board. You know, you're one hundred percent shut down. Again. 2853 02:43:34.200 --> 02:43:38.319 You can do take out, carry out delivery right, all 2854 02:43:38.360 --> 02:43:40.479 of those, but you can't do any dying ins and 2855 02:43:40.600 --> 02:43:43.920 again for most businesses, and none of it made any sense. 2856 02:43:44.120 --> 02:43:47.000 No, no, I did not even with their with their 2857 02:43:47.399 --> 02:43:51.040 you know, if you completely buy into their pandemic narrative, 2858 02:43:51.120 --> 02:43:54.079 their virus narratives or relative none of it made any sense. 2859 02:43:54.120 --> 02:43:57.440 In Finally, and uh, you know when you talk about 2860 02:43:57.479 --> 02:44:00.600 a business like a restaurant and it similar to the 2861 02:44:00.639 --> 02:44:03.040 type of business we were in, you know that most 2862 02:44:03.079 --> 02:44:05.159 of your business is going to happen like Friday nights 2863 02:44:05.200 --> 02:44:07.079 and Saturdays and stuff like that. So if they cut 2864 02:44:07.159 --> 02:44:10.360 you down to fifty percent at your peak hours, you 2865 02:44:10.479 --> 02:44:13.840 still can't cover what is happening. You know, it isn't 2866 02:44:14.079 --> 02:44:18.440 evenly distributed. It's all clumped into the weekends and things 2867 02:44:18.559 --> 02:44:21.559 like that. So if they limit your maximum capacity. They 2868 02:44:21.559 --> 02:44:24.159 can put you out of business pretty easily, right and 2869 02:44:24.239 --> 02:44:24.760 think about it. 2870 02:44:24.920 --> 02:44:29.559 Back in November of twenty twenty, pretty much the rest 2871 02:44:29.600 --> 02:44:33.079 of the country was opened up, and Walls was still 2872 02:44:33.120 --> 02:44:35.399 shutting us down. Obviously, there were other places that were 2873 02:44:35.479 --> 02:44:40.959 still dealing with shutdowns as well lockdowns, but Minnesota we 2874 02:44:41.520 --> 02:44:44.239 were completely done with this, and I told my husband, 2875 02:44:44.280 --> 02:44:47.200 I said, we have two choices we can we either 2876 02:44:47.600 --> 02:44:51.399 Choice number one would be to shut down, close our business. 2877 02:44:51.440 --> 02:44:57.399 Excuse me for us to close our dream business and 2878 02:44:59.079 --> 02:45:02.040 to walk away done and figure out how to pay 2879 02:45:02.079 --> 02:45:03.360 off the debt. You know, even though we were not 2880 02:45:03.440 --> 02:45:07.120 turning any revenue, so close our doors forever. Or Option 2881 02:45:07.239 --> 02:45:09.840 number two was to open up fully because why not 2882 02:45:10.000 --> 02:45:12.959 we have that right. There was no law. I did 2883 02:45:13.040 --> 02:45:15.559 not violate any laws. I'm a law abiding I'm a 2884 02:45:15.639 --> 02:45:19.120 law biding citizen, a law biding grammar, and so no 2885 02:45:19.280 --> 02:45:23.680 laws were broken, and so we decided we took option 2886 02:45:23.840 --> 02:45:27.159 number two. With the help of an organization in Minnesota 2887 02:45:27.239 --> 02:45:30.319 that put together a plan of action. I thought it 2888 02:45:30.399 --> 02:45:34.159 was a very solid plan. They invited all businesses that 2889 02:45:34.319 --> 02:45:36.159 wanted you to open up together on the same day. 2890 02:45:36.159 --> 02:45:37.639 I thought it was a great plan and here's what 2891 02:45:38.399 --> 02:45:40.719 you know. They gave suggestions on how this would be, 2892 02:45:40.840 --> 02:45:43.840 how we would orchestrate this. And if you get the 2893 02:45:43.920 --> 02:45:46.319 call from the state, which you likely will, you're going 2894 02:45:46.440 --> 02:45:51.520 to here. Here's what we suggest that you say. And 2895 02:45:52.399 --> 02:45:55.879 so anyway, the plan rolled out, we got on board. 2896 02:45:56.559 --> 02:45:59.920 I forget the exact date, December, I apologize. 2897 02:46:00.040 --> 02:46:02.879 But what other should other businesses? Did other businesses join 2898 02:46:03.000 --> 02:46:03.159 with you? 2899 02:46:03.399 --> 02:46:03.440 Just? 2900 02:46:03.920 --> 02:46:04.840 Good? Good? Did they? 2901 02:46:05.360 --> 02:46:05.479 Now? 2902 02:46:05.719 --> 02:46:05.920 Yeah? 2903 02:46:05.959 --> 02:46:07.879 Tell us what happened then when you opened up? 2904 02:46:09.000 --> 02:46:12.120 Right right? So just a bit of a backstory, there 2905 02:46:12.239 --> 02:46:15.479 was about two hundred other businesses that said, yeah, we 2906 02:46:15.559 --> 02:46:18.559 want to do this. They should have been two thousand easily, 2907 02:46:18.879 --> 02:46:21.719 but there was two hundred. We all opened up. 2908 02:46:22.159 --> 02:46:23.760 It was it was. 2909 02:46:25.280 --> 02:46:28.360 Marketed, for lack of better term, that we were opening. 2910 02:46:28.479 --> 02:46:32.120 So people, if you were in favor of supporting these 2911 02:46:32.200 --> 02:46:35.639 businesses here they are, go support them, go patronize them. 2912 02:46:35.840 --> 02:46:39.479 Which it was amazing. We had so much support coming 2913 02:46:39.520 --> 02:46:41.559 from all over the state and other states as well 2914 02:46:41.879 --> 02:46:43.799 there to support us on that first day and that 2915 02:46:43.920 --> 02:46:47.479 whole week after, and then it just continued. So what 2916 02:46:47.760 --> 02:46:52.440 happened though, David, and this was the fail two hundred 2917 02:46:52.479 --> 02:46:55.239 businesses approximately two hundred give or take signed up to 2918 02:46:55.799 --> 02:46:58.879 get on board about within twenty four hours after there 2919 02:46:58.920 --> 02:47:01.639 were only ten of us were still open. Everybody else 2920 02:47:01.719 --> 02:47:03.040 had consented to close down. 2921 02:47:03.319 --> 02:47:07.200 Really, ah, now people aren't willing to stand up for 2922 02:47:07.239 --> 02:47:08.559 their freedom, Like you said, it should have been two 2923 02:47:08.600 --> 02:47:11.520 thousand or more, twenty thousand or whatever. And you know, 2924 02:47:11.799 --> 02:47:14.719 of the ones who sign up, only a five percent 2925 02:47:14.920 --> 02:47:16.159 hung with it. That's amazing. 2926 02:47:17.120 --> 02:47:19.319 It is amazing and very sad. It was very so 2927 02:47:19.440 --> 02:47:22.719 because now basically, and I know that it wasn't. You know, again, 2928 02:47:23.479 --> 02:47:26.399 I have some grace for these folks and for people 2929 02:47:26.520 --> 02:47:29.280 that don't understand, because I was really forced into a 2930 02:47:29.399 --> 02:47:35.840 position to become educated and understand more than what I 2931 02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:39.680 had ever anticipated. And it just my education continues, you know. 2932 02:47:39.760 --> 02:47:42.040 Here we are four years later and I'm still learning. 2933 02:47:43.639 --> 02:47:46.879 So so there was only about ten of us left open, 2934 02:47:47.200 --> 02:47:50.239 and you know, the state can handle. That state can come. 2935 02:47:50.559 --> 02:47:52.520 If it had been two hundred, the state wouldn't have 2936 02:47:52.520 --> 02:47:55.040 been able to handle. And that was the whole, you know, 2937 02:47:55.639 --> 02:47:59.360 point of doing this, but show the state we were 2938 02:47:59.440 --> 02:48:04.760 not we're not consenting to their tyrannical orders which carry 2939 02:48:04.840 --> 02:48:05.520 no weight of law. 2940 02:48:06.879 --> 02:48:07.639 So unfortunately. 2941 02:48:07.799 --> 02:48:10.319 Frank said, we either hang together or we hanged separately. 2942 02:48:11.239 --> 02:48:13.639 Because the wouldn't hang together. You all hung separately. So 2943 02:48:13.760 --> 02:48:15.440 what did they do when they came after you? 2944 02:48:16.520 --> 02:48:19.120 Yeah, when they came after me, of course, every they 2945 02:48:19.200 --> 02:48:21.079 used every resource they have as the state, and of 2946 02:48:21.120 --> 02:48:23.479 course it's the state. They have a lot of resources, 2947 02:48:24.000 --> 02:48:26.559 no end to their resources. So I was issued to 2948 02:48:26.719 --> 02:48:29.600 cease and desist immediately, within twenty four hours, I believe 2949 02:48:29.639 --> 02:48:32.399 it was. And of course I did not cease and desist. 2950 02:48:32.840 --> 02:48:34.959 And then they started throwing lawsuits at me. So I 2951 02:48:35.040 --> 02:48:38.319 believe I had in total five civil cases against me 2952 02:48:38.440 --> 02:48:40.040 and two criminal cases against me. 2953 02:48:40.440 --> 02:48:44.440 Wow. Yeah, And so then what happened with these cases? 2954 02:48:45.799 --> 02:48:48.840 So we went to court and we fought everything. We 2955 02:48:48.920 --> 02:48:50.959 appealed everything all the way up to the supretor. I 2956 02:48:50.959 --> 02:48:53.920 shouldn't say everything, but most of these cases, most of 2957 02:48:53.959 --> 02:48:58.440 the decisions we objected. There was no due process for myself. 2958 02:48:59.600 --> 02:49:03.159 That was completely denied through and through. I don't even 2959 02:49:03.200 --> 02:49:07.479 think these judicials, of these judges actually even read my 2960 02:49:07.600 --> 02:49:11.000 document all the way through, or the countless documents that 2961 02:49:11.200 --> 02:49:15.200 I submitted to the court. So what happened long story 2962 02:49:15.280 --> 02:49:17.200 short is we went to trial on one of the 2963 02:49:17.239 --> 02:49:23.440 criminal cases in twenty twenty one, And yes, it was 2964 02:49:23.479 --> 02:49:28.799 twenty twenty one December, and I went in front of 2965 02:49:28.879 --> 02:49:35.000 a jury of six pre trial determined a very terrible thing. 2966 02:49:36.680 --> 02:49:39.440 That is again, I can't believe it still, I just 2967 02:49:39.479 --> 02:49:41.479 can't believe in an American court of law, it was 2968 02:49:41.559 --> 02:49:44.159 determined that I would not be allowed to present my defense. 2969 02:49:44.280 --> 02:49:49.360 My defense being constitutional, statutory, and case law, all relevant 2970 02:49:49.440 --> 02:49:53.040 of course to the case, all relevant to this mandate 2971 02:49:54.079 --> 02:49:57.200 that the governor had considered, and a lot of people 2972 02:49:57.280 --> 02:49:58.879 considered law, it was not law. 2973 02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:00.799 So we we. 2974 02:50:02.559 --> 02:50:07.280 Thought that we objected to that stipulation, of course, because 2975 02:50:07.280 --> 02:50:09.879 I should have been allowed to present my defense to 2976 02:50:10.040 --> 02:50:13.479 the jury. But it was and of course we objected 2977 02:50:13.520 --> 02:50:16.040 to that decision that the judge had made. Didn't matter. 2978 02:50:16.159 --> 02:50:18.559 The judges in lockstep with all the other judges that 2979 02:50:18.600 --> 02:50:20.360 I faced, all the way up to the Supreme Court, 2980 02:50:20.879 --> 02:50:22.920 they're all in this together. They're in it with the 2981 02:50:23.239 --> 02:50:26.159 governor and attorney Let's not forget Attorney General Keith Ellison. 2982 02:50:26.280 --> 02:50:28.319 Oh yeah, a very wicked eagle man. 2983 02:50:29.399 --> 02:50:32.959 Yeah, yeah, sorrow sorrows guy. He's one of the state 2984 02:50:33.000 --> 02:50:35.840 attorneys general that Soros was able to get into office. 2985 02:50:35.959 --> 02:50:39.719 Oh yeah, right right, So they say you can't, can't 2986 02:50:39.799 --> 02:50:41.520 argue your case, is going to shut it. I've seen that, 2987 02:50:41.639 --> 02:50:44.559 by the way, and politicized cases. I've seen it over 2988 02:50:44.600 --> 02:50:47.959 and over again, whether it's ross Ulbrick with Silk Road, 2989 02:50:48.159 --> 02:50:50.520 whether it was the Bundy's, and I could go on 2990 02:50:50.920 --> 02:50:54.479 and on and on. Marty God felt, they will shut down. 2991 02:50:55.600 --> 02:50:59.239 You're presenting a defense. Did you have legal counsel? He 2992 02:50:59.239 --> 02:51:01.879 had a lawyer reporting you, or do you represent yourself? 2993 02:51:02.159 --> 02:51:06.639 I handled my own case as se juris or did 2994 02:51:06.680 --> 02:51:07.799 you you want to say it? 2995 02:51:08.079 --> 02:51:08.239 Yeah? 2996 02:51:08.319 --> 02:51:11.719 Did you what about jury nullification? Do they have that 2997 02:51:11.920 --> 02:51:13.479 on the books or in the constitution? And did you 2998 02:51:13.559 --> 02:51:15.079 look at that in that minute? 2999 02:51:15.120 --> 02:51:17.959 They do, and we did look at it, and we 3000 02:51:18.079 --> 02:51:19.520 decided not to go that route. 3001 02:51:20.479 --> 02:51:24.479 I have a case when somebody interviewed about a decade ago, 3002 02:51:25.840 --> 02:51:29.879 it called himself New Jersey weed Man, and he was 3003 02:51:29.959 --> 02:51:33.680 a heavy marijuana user and he had a lot of it, 3004 02:51:33.920 --> 02:51:35.879 and so when they came after him, they were going 3005 02:51:35.920 --> 02:51:37.760 to get him for trafficking. It's like, no, man, I 3006 02:51:38.000 --> 02:51:40.799 just use all that myself for my own personal use. 3007 02:51:41.280 --> 02:51:43.760 And when I interviewed him later on as we're doing 3008 02:51:43.799 --> 02:51:46.040 the interview. I believe it because he lights up a 3009 02:51:46.120 --> 02:51:49.440 joint while we're doing the interview live. But he decided. 3010 02:51:49.600 --> 02:51:51.440 He looked at and he said, you know, they're going 3011 02:51:51.520 --> 02:51:53.079 to send me to jail for a very long time. 3012 02:51:53.600 --> 02:51:55.239 And so he said, I wanted to dream nullfication. He 3013 02:51:55.280 --> 02:51:56.799 couldn't find a lawyer that was going to do it, 3014 02:51:57.280 --> 02:51:59.840 and he said, I figured that they were probably going 3015 02:51:59.879 --> 02:52:02.799 to be some people on board. I looked at public 3016 02:52:02.840 --> 02:52:05.680 opinion and I realized that, you know, a little bit 3017 02:52:05.719 --> 02:52:07.799 more than half the people were not really on board 3018 02:52:07.840 --> 02:52:10.159 with marijuana prohibition in New Jersey. So I thought I 3019 02:52:10.239 --> 02:52:13.959 could get some sympathy about that and try jury nullification 3020 02:52:14.280 --> 02:52:18.440 in his first trial. It is explicitly mentioned in the 3021 02:52:18.559 --> 02:52:24.079 New Jersey Constitution that a jury's duty is to judge 3022 02:52:24.200 --> 02:52:26.319 not just to facts the case, but whether or not 3023 02:52:26.440 --> 02:52:28.840 they agree with the law and the punishment. And so 3024 02:52:29.000 --> 02:52:30.760 he put that he had that printed, and he put 3025 02:52:30.799 --> 02:52:33.520 it up on the desk there where he was sitting, 3026 02:52:34.079 --> 02:52:36.920 and the judge said, take that down right now. I'm 3027 02:52:36.959 --> 02:52:39.040 going to put you in jail for contempt. And so 3028 02:52:39.120 --> 02:52:40.600 he put it down, but he said the jury had 3029 02:52:40.600 --> 02:52:43.200 already seen it, and they voted seven to twelve to 3030 02:52:43.360 --> 02:52:45.639 quit him, so it was a hung jury. And so 3031 02:52:45.799 --> 02:52:49.920 then the district attorney came after him a second time, 3032 02:52:50.280 --> 02:52:52.399 and in the second trial he did the same thing, 3033 02:52:52.799 --> 02:52:56.639 but that judge let it stay up and what was 3034 02:52:56.719 --> 02:53:01.200 in the constitution there, and they quitted him twelve to nothing. 3035 02:53:01.239 --> 02:53:03.840 So there's nothing they could do about it. And that's 3036 02:53:03.879 --> 02:53:05.959 where I had them on to talk about dream mulification. 3037 02:53:06.559 --> 02:53:09.319 But that's a very powerful thing if it's there. But again, 3038 02:53:10.079 --> 02:53:14.680 you know, in these politicized cases, these judges rig everything. 3039 02:53:14.799 --> 02:53:16.040 I've seen it over and over again. 3040 02:53:16.120 --> 02:53:18.319 Oh it was, it was rigged, and I've not seen it. 3041 02:53:18.399 --> 02:53:20.680 I mean, this was my first experience. It was my 3042 02:53:20.799 --> 02:53:23.959 first experience to be, you know, in trouble with the law, 3043 02:53:24.079 --> 02:53:26.159 if you will, to be in a quarter of law. 3044 02:53:26.239 --> 02:53:27.559 I had never been through anything. 3045 02:53:27.920 --> 02:53:28.200 I was. 3046 02:53:28.479 --> 02:53:31.360 I was extremely ignorant as to how all of this 3047 02:53:32.559 --> 02:53:35.879 rolls out. And boy did I get an education. You know, 3048 02:53:35.920 --> 02:53:37.799 I learned what a way to get an education. But 3049 02:53:37.879 --> 02:53:40.760 I got an education, and actually I'm thankful for that today. 3050 02:53:40.840 --> 02:53:45.319 But so right, so we were going on the premise 3051 02:53:45.399 --> 02:53:47.440 we had some there were so many levels that we 3052 02:53:47.559 --> 02:53:51.159 were hitting as far as this is unconstitutional, this is 3053 02:53:51.719 --> 02:53:56.440 even not when when emergency executive order that Governor Walls issued, 3054 02:53:56.840 --> 02:54:00.280 Actually the emergency executive order doesn't speak to the people 3055 02:54:00.319 --> 02:54:03.120 directly to the people or control over the people or 3056 02:54:03.200 --> 02:54:07.399 to dictate the people's lives. Emergency executive order applied to 3057 02:54:07.639 --> 02:54:11.520 the executive branch. It applied to those that worked in 3058 02:54:11.600 --> 02:54:16.600 the executive branch. And we proved that on paper using 3059 02:54:17.600 --> 02:54:20.319 the all all the resources that we needed to use, 3060 02:54:21.280 --> 02:54:25.680 and it was ignored. It was absolutely ignored. Anything that 3061 02:54:25.879 --> 02:54:30.360 should have caused this case to be absolutely dismissed, thrown out, 3062 02:54:31.719 --> 02:54:33.879 they just ignored. They did not answer any of our 3063 02:54:33.920 --> 02:54:38.479 objections or any of our facts to the situation. They 3064 02:54:38.520 --> 02:54:41.360 didn't answer any of our documents at all. And again, 3065 02:54:41.479 --> 02:54:46.200 every every level, every court was in lockstep with the 3066 02:54:46.520 --> 02:54:51.520 with the previous court agree with the Okay, so you 3067 02:54:51.719 --> 02:54:53.200 are much more familiar. 3068 02:54:53.239 --> 02:54:56.040 You know, ring back thirty years ago when I was 3069 02:54:56.159 --> 02:54:59.559 involved with third party politics, I knew people who were 3070 02:54:59.559 --> 02:55:01.840 also involved in third party politics who had been to 3071 02:55:01.920 --> 02:55:04.840 prison because there were tax protesters or because they were 3072 02:55:04.920 --> 02:55:07.879 sovereign citizens or whatever, and they had they would talk 3073 02:55:08.000 --> 02:55:09.440 to me about They would say, yeah, I came in, 3074 02:55:09.520 --> 02:55:11.959 here's my case. Here's what I said to them, and 3075 02:55:12.479 --> 02:55:15.079 I made the legal point, and the judge like except me, says, 3076 02:55:15.440 --> 02:55:17.760 next point, we're not going to talk about that. And 3077 02:55:18.079 --> 02:55:20.360 and I've heard that story over and over again, same 3078 02:55:20.399 --> 02:55:22.440 thing they did to you railroading people. I says. Why 3079 02:55:22.520 --> 02:55:24.760 I say, people, be very careful if you're going to 3080 02:55:24.799 --> 02:55:27.200 become a tax protester or a sovereign citizen, because you're 3081 02:55:27.239 --> 02:55:29.159 not going to get a fair trial. You can be right, 3082 02:55:29.200 --> 02:55:31.079 it can be one hundred percent right, and you're not 3083 02:55:31.159 --> 02:55:33.200 going to get a fair trial if this is a 3084 02:55:33.239 --> 02:55:35.360 political issue. And again I've seen it in these other things, 3085 02:55:35.399 --> 02:55:38.159 like with Silk Road. They wanted to come after the 3086 02:55:38.239 --> 02:55:41.200 quote unquote dark web and bitcoin and things like that. 3087 02:55:41.319 --> 02:55:43.239 So if they've got a political agenda, and they certainly 3088 02:55:43.280 --> 02:55:45.639 got a political agenda when it comes to the income 3089 02:55:45.719 --> 02:55:49.719 tax stuff, they will just the word goes out. They 3090 02:55:49.799 --> 02:55:52.079 know what they're doing and they're gonna they're gonna shut 3091 02:55:52.159 --> 02:55:56.399 you down. Peter Schiff's father, Irwin shift I met him. 3092 02:55:56.440 --> 02:55:58.520 He was at a convention and he was, you know, 3093 02:55:58.760 --> 02:56:03.079 standing there like Lenny Bruce after his trials for speech 3094 02:56:03.079 --> 02:56:06.079 and everything, and he was up on a box like 3095 02:56:06.120 --> 02:56:08.440 a soapbox, and he's talking about his trial and going 3096 02:56:08.440 --> 02:56:10.000 through the transcript and anything. So I said this, and 3097 02:56:10.040 --> 02:56:11.600 then they just said, you know, just threw that out 3098 02:56:11.639 --> 02:56:12.680 and all the rest of the stuff. But this is 3099 02:56:12.799 --> 02:56:15.200 what the law says. And so I've seen that over 3100 02:56:15.239 --> 02:56:18.840 and over again, how crooked and dishonest our courts are. 3101 02:56:19.360 --> 02:56:22.479 And that's why the jury nullification thing is so important. 3102 02:56:22.520 --> 02:56:26.360 But most people don't have the courage and the conviction 3103 02:56:26.840 --> 02:56:30.120 to do what you did, which is to defy this tyranny. 3104 02:56:30.360 --> 02:56:33.319 And that's what's necessary, because if you don't have people 3105 02:56:33.360 --> 02:56:34.600 who are going to stand up to it again, like 3106 02:56:34.680 --> 02:56:36.920 you said, I that had two hundred businesses or even more, 3107 02:56:37.280 --> 02:56:38.920 they could have stopped this. But if it's only a 3108 02:56:39.000 --> 02:56:42.319 couple of people, they won't hammer you down right exactly. 3109 02:56:42.440 --> 02:56:45.000 And that's that is what happened. There was a handful 3110 02:56:45.040 --> 02:56:48.360 of us that were you know, destroyed our livelihood, our 3111 02:56:48.520 --> 02:56:52.360 businesses were destroyed. And I've had the opportunity to meet 3112 02:56:52.399 --> 02:56:55.559 these other people in the state, and mostly women, by 3113 02:56:55.600 --> 02:56:59.600 the way, because these that's who these tyrants see, you know, 3114 02:57:00.920 --> 02:57:03.760 they go after the women they love to I mean, 3115 02:57:04.559 --> 02:57:08.639 Attorney General Attorney General Keith Ellison has a history of 3116 02:57:09.639 --> 02:57:12.280 being a woman beater. That's what he's known for. 3117 02:57:12.559 --> 02:57:15.000 So anyway, maybe he could get a medal at the 3118 02:57:15.040 --> 02:57:18.040 Olympics for that. I understand giving him away for that. 3119 02:57:18.680 --> 02:57:22.079 There was a similar case in Dallas, for example. Clay 3120 02:57:22.159 --> 02:57:25.719 Jenkins was the chief elected official in Dallas County. They 3121 02:57:25.760 --> 02:57:29.440 call him judges in Texas. And Shelley Luther you may 3122 02:57:29.520 --> 02:57:32.399 remember her. She had a nail salon or something, and 3123 02:57:33.079 --> 02:57:35.399 he came after her and wanted to throw her in jail, 3124 02:57:35.479 --> 02:57:37.120 and of course some other people. I think the governor 3125 02:57:37.159 --> 02:57:40.200 may have intervened in that particular case, Governor Rabbit. But 3126 02:57:40.799 --> 02:57:43.920 this guy, Clay Jenkins. A couple of years prior to that, 3127 02:57:44.479 --> 02:57:46.360 they had an illegal immigrant who had come into the 3128 02:57:46.399 --> 02:57:50.239 country and he had ebola, and Clay Jenkins was coming 3129 02:57:50.280 --> 02:57:51.959 in and telling everybody, it's a big deal. It's not 3130 02:57:52.000 --> 02:57:54.520 a big deal. Look, you know, we got football games 3131 02:57:54.559 --> 02:57:57.159 coming up. We got Dallas and Houston are playing. Go 3132 02:57:57.319 --> 02:57:59.719 to the football game. It's not anything to worry about. 3133 02:58:00.040 --> 02:58:02.440 We got all these hospitals, they can treat you with anything. 3134 02:58:02.680 --> 02:58:04.360 And they took this guy and this guy did not 3135 02:58:04.959 --> 02:58:08.280 This guy did die and he got two nurses sick. 3136 02:58:08.440 --> 02:58:12.079 They had Fauci come in, Francis Collins come in, everybody saying, oh, 3137 02:58:12.159 --> 02:58:15.559 it's great, it's no problem. But then when Shelley Luther 3138 02:58:15.920 --> 02:58:17.719 and this is you know, Bolo was serious and they 3139 02:58:17.799 --> 02:58:20.079 killed that guy, Shelley Luther says, I'm not going to 3140 02:58:20.120 --> 02:58:22.959 shut down. And the same guy who was telling everybody 3141 02:58:23.000 --> 02:58:26.559 go ahead and do everything comes after her and I'm 3142 02:58:26.559 --> 02:58:28.719 going to put her in jail. I mean, it's amazing 3143 02:58:28.879 --> 02:58:34.600 how inconsistent and hypocritical they are and how they will 3144 02:58:34.719 --> 02:58:38.760 focus this. It was totally political. It was psychological what 3145 02:58:38.879 --> 02:58:41.000 they were doing. Now, did they put you in jail? 3146 02:58:41.079 --> 02:58:43.760 They did put you in jail, right, They sure did 3147 02:58:43.840 --> 02:58:46.520 put me in jail, my first time ever in jail. Wow, 3148 02:58:46.600 --> 02:58:47.440 hopefully the last. 3149 02:58:48.520 --> 02:58:49.399 And it was ninety days. 3150 02:58:50.440 --> 02:58:50.639 Yeah. 3151 02:58:50.840 --> 02:58:53.879 Yeah. I was sentenced to the full the maximum penalty 3152 02:58:54.159 --> 02:58:57.879 and as the jury found me guilty on all I 3153 02:58:57.920 --> 02:59:02.000 believe it was six six charges, so right it was. 3154 02:59:02.559 --> 02:59:07.399 They sentenced me to ninety I served sixty and it was. 3155 02:59:07.879 --> 02:59:12.639 It was quite the experience, the whole thing, the whole 3156 02:59:12.680 --> 02:59:16.280 thing was quite the experience. Hopefully never to have to 3157 02:59:16.319 --> 02:59:18.920 repeat it again. But here we are And was it. 3158 02:59:19.040 --> 02:59:22.120 Local or was it state? You mentioned that, Keith Elson, 3159 02:59:22.200 --> 02:59:24.000 So it was just a state prosecution where they came 3160 02:59:24.040 --> 02:59:24.360 after you. 3161 02:59:24.639 --> 02:59:28.799 Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a state. But of course, 3162 02:59:29.000 --> 02:59:33.840 now in the criminal case cases, they had to get 3163 02:59:33.959 --> 02:59:37.280 somebody in the county or city to prosecute. The state 3164 02:59:37.319 --> 02:59:41.120 could not prosecute me on the criminal charges directly, so 3165 02:59:41.239 --> 02:59:45.760 they had to prosecute. They ended up I believe that 3166 02:59:45.959 --> 02:59:49.840 the county attorney, he did not take the case. I 3167 02:59:49.879 --> 02:59:51.920 don't know if he refused. I don't know any of 3168 02:59:51.959 --> 02:59:55.280 the details there. I could probably submit a foy and 3169 02:59:55.440 --> 02:59:57.319 find out, but I have not done that. It was 3170 02:59:57.639 --> 03:00:01.680 the prosecutor ended up being the city attorney of Albert Lee, Minnesota. 3171 03:00:02.760 --> 03:00:07.159 And Albert Lee just you know here here we raised 3172 03:00:07.200 --> 03:00:10.280 our family in the area for at that point, for 3173 03:00:10.360 --> 03:00:14.040 about thirty years whatever. It was big family. All of 3174 03:00:14.079 --> 03:00:16.520 our children lived in the area at that time, almost 3175 03:00:16.559 --> 03:00:20.319 all of them. We had another business, which was my 3176 03:00:20.479 --> 03:00:24.959 husband's company that we had built thirty year business and 3177 03:00:25.479 --> 03:00:27.159 that was right there in Albert Lee. And yet I 3178 03:00:27.360 --> 03:00:31.639 was treated, I was treated as an actual criminal. I had, 3179 03:00:31.760 --> 03:00:33.280 you know, we had churched in the area. I had 3180 03:00:33.360 --> 03:00:37.600 volunteered and worked in children's ministries for decades. So you 3181 03:00:37.719 --> 03:00:40.799 put all this together and then the city just you know, 3182 03:00:42.520 --> 03:00:45.760 allows you to be prosecuted and persecuted. It was shameful 3183 03:00:46.120 --> 03:00:49.520 for Albert Lee to allow this. They didn't have to 3184 03:00:49.600 --> 03:00:53.040 allow it, but nobody stood up. I had a conversations 3185 03:00:53.120 --> 03:00:55.920 my husband, I had conversations with the sheriff at the time, 3186 03:00:56.040 --> 03:00:58.079 with the chief of police. We'd invite them in, sit 3187 03:00:58.120 --> 03:01:00.639 down and have a cup of coffee in our restaurant, 3188 03:01:00.760 --> 03:01:03.760 and they were there. They were with me. They were 3189 03:01:03.840 --> 03:01:07.719 with me until push came to shove, and then they 3190 03:01:08.040 --> 03:01:09.639 hands off. They didn't want to have anything to do 3191 03:01:09.719 --> 03:01:12.200 with me because the judge got involved, and the judge 3192 03:01:12.239 --> 03:01:16.520 signed for signed the arrest warrant, and the judge was 3193 03:01:16.639 --> 03:01:21.239 prosecuting and persecuting. And you're right, David, it was a sham. 3194 03:01:21.639 --> 03:01:24.719 The whole thing was a sham. And my heart goes 3195 03:01:24.760 --> 03:01:26.600 out to all those other folks that have been through 3196 03:01:26.760 --> 03:01:29.040 these types of situations, and I know some have been 3197 03:01:29.079 --> 03:01:31.840 through a lot worse. You know, mine was a ninety 3198 03:01:31.879 --> 03:01:35.319 day sentence you mentioned, you know prison sentences that are 3199 03:01:35.719 --> 03:01:39.159 years years. Yeah, and there's no noe there. 3200 03:01:39.559 --> 03:01:42.399 It's interesting that Shelley Luther's case, and they tried to 3201 03:01:42.399 --> 03:01:44.280 send her to jail, but they didn't send her to jail. 3202 03:01:44.360 --> 03:01:46.959 But it made national news. You went to jail and 3203 03:01:47.040 --> 03:01:49.239 it didn't make national news. And I guess it's because 3204 03:01:49.280 --> 03:01:51.440 it's coming from Minnesota. Are and well Minnesota, they can, 3205 03:01:51.559 --> 03:01:54.479 you know. But you know, I tell people all the time, 3206 03:01:55.200 --> 03:01:58.280 focus on what is happening at the local level, because 3207 03:01:58.280 --> 03:01:59.920 the people at the local level can make it better 3208 03:02:00.360 --> 03:02:01.760 or they can make it worse. We know what the 3209 03:02:01.920 --> 03:02:04.360 Washington agenda is. We need to pay attention to what 3210 03:02:04.479 --> 03:02:07.799 Trump did, what Biden did, and we need to understand 3211 03:02:08.120 --> 03:02:10.399 what they did and understand they're not going to change 3212 03:02:10.399 --> 03:02:12.959 anything about it, and that it made a big difference 3213 03:02:13.159 --> 03:02:17.040 depending on your locality, the local people that were there, 3214 03:02:17.520 --> 03:02:19.360 the state people that were there, and so again, in 3215 03:02:19.440 --> 03:02:22.559 your situation, the best thing to do is to just 3216 03:02:22.639 --> 03:02:25.639 get out of Minnesota because it's so hopelessly corrupt and 3217 03:02:25.840 --> 03:02:28.920 slavish and you now live in I think it is Wisconsin, 3218 03:02:29.040 --> 03:02:29.520 Is that correct? 3219 03:02:30.520 --> 03:02:30.920 Iowa? 3220 03:02:31.120 --> 03:02:31.280 Yeah? 3221 03:02:31.399 --> 03:02:34.680 Oh, Iowa, Okay, Iowa. So we stay. 3222 03:02:34.799 --> 03:02:38.159 We stayed. We stayed fairly close. We have because of 3223 03:02:38.239 --> 03:02:40.559 all most all of our children are in southern Minnesota 3224 03:02:40.600 --> 03:02:43.399 and northern Iowa, so well, a lot. 3225 03:02:43.360 --> 03:02:45.319 More conservative in Iowa, that's for sure. 3226 03:02:46.280 --> 03:02:49.159 That is for sure. Yeah, so Iowa still needs a 3227 03:02:49.200 --> 03:02:51.239 lot of work, just probably like about every other state 3228 03:02:51.319 --> 03:02:54.719 in the Union. But know this is a better place 3229 03:02:54.840 --> 03:02:57.840 to be in Iowa. It took us, it took us 3230 03:02:57.879 --> 03:03:00.319 quite a while to say, okay, we need to be 3231 03:03:00.360 --> 03:03:04.040 out of the state. I think the last straw for us, 3232 03:03:04.079 --> 03:03:09.120 the convincing situation event let's call it an event because 3233 03:03:09.159 --> 03:03:12.120 it was an event that took place, was when a 3234 03:03:12.239 --> 03:03:17.360 certain law enforcements showed up at our door unannounced, and 3235 03:03:18.680 --> 03:03:20.959 you know, continue to I really can't talk about that 3236 03:03:21.120 --> 03:03:24.239 yet because it's still under investigation, has been for way 3237 03:03:24.319 --> 03:03:27.319 too long. But let's just put it this way. We 3238 03:03:27.479 --> 03:03:29.639 know when they want you to shut up, when they 3239 03:03:29.680 --> 03:03:32.280 want you to get out, they know they have ways, 3240 03:03:32.639 --> 03:03:36.120 they have ways, and so persecution continued. After I got 3241 03:03:36.159 --> 03:03:39.639 out of jail, I immediately hit the ground running and 3242 03:03:40.360 --> 03:03:45.600 campaigned for state Senate. And so obviously the state's saying, okay, 3243 03:03:45.600 --> 03:03:47.280 we needn't get her to shut up by putting her 3244 03:03:47.319 --> 03:03:50.719 in jail here for sixty days. So now we're going 3245 03:03:50.760 --> 03:03:52.879 to use other means to come after her and her 3246 03:03:53.000 --> 03:03:56.639 family and absolutely bogus. And this is all A lot 3247 03:03:56.680 --> 03:03:58.760 of it was perpetuated on the local level. I hate 3248 03:03:58.799 --> 03:04:03.959 to say new Shriff at that time, and that more persecution. 3249 03:04:04.040 --> 03:04:07.079 I'm just going to call it happened against us, and. 3250 03:04:08.680 --> 03:04:10.319 I what do you do? 3251 03:04:10.879 --> 03:04:12.559 What do you do when you have when you have 3252 03:04:12.639 --> 03:04:17.000 elected public servants that are not doing their duty to 3253 03:04:17.120 --> 03:04:21.120 the people, protecting the people, guarding the people, upholding their constitution, 3254 03:04:21.520 --> 03:04:26.600 their constitutionally protected God given rights. That's a duty and 3255 03:04:26.639 --> 03:04:28.920 they're not they're not performing their duties any longer. 3256 03:04:29.120 --> 03:04:31.040 Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean about, you know, 3257 03:04:31.280 --> 03:04:34.079 having the law enforcement show up and kind of have 3258 03:04:34.239 --> 03:04:36.479 a show of strength. We had a situation with that. 3259 03:04:36.879 --> 03:04:39.879 We had one of our particular locations, we'd had some 3260 03:04:40.040 --> 03:04:44.559 video stores and so people would pull up and double 3261 03:04:44.639 --> 03:04:47.520 park and run in and hand us the videotape sometimes, 3262 03:04:47.680 --> 03:04:49.360 and we did have a drop box that we could 3263 03:04:49.360 --> 03:04:50.399 do this, but you know, if they're doing that, we 3264 03:04:50.440 --> 03:04:53.840 would just take that from them. Well, some guy decided, 3265 03:04:53.920 --> 03:04:55.840 one of the police officers designed he's going to get 3266 03:04:55.879 --> 03:04:57.680 a bunch of tickets, so he parked down our parking lot. 3267 03:04:58.040 --> 03:05:00.319 Every time somebody would do that. He'd pull up, find him, 3268 03:05:00.360 --> 03:05:02.719 give him a parking ticket, and it's like, what's going 3269 03:05:02.760 --> 03:05:04.559 on with this? After you did it two or three times, 3270 03:05:04.920 --> 03:05:07.000 I went out there and while he was giving them 3271 03:05:07.040 --> 03:05:09.280 a ticket, I said, how much is that ticket going 3272 03:05:09.319 --> 03:05:11.200 to be? All right, I'm going to give you more 3273 03:05:11.280 --> 03:05:14.280 than that in store credits, and so I directly come 3274 03:05:14.360 --> 03:05:16.079 and after I did that a couple of times, he 3275 03:05:16.120 --> 03:05:19.520 went away, and then he came back with the fire 3276 03:05:19.600 --> 03:05:24.920 department and they got a ladder truck and they parked 3277 03:05:24.959 --> 03:05:26.959 it in the parking lot in front of our store, 3278 03:05:27.280 --> 03:05:31.159 and the fireman started taking the police officers up in 3279 03:05:31.239 --> 03:05:33.520 the ladder truck. And we had customers who come in 3280 03:05:33.559 --> 03:05:35.319 and say, what's going on here? And I was like, well, 3281 03:05:35.360 --> 03:05:37.600 let me tell you about this. I mean, I know 3282 03:05:37.920 --> 03:05:40.079 what that's like. You know, they will do that kind 3283 03:05:40.120 --> 03:05:42.799 of stuff, And so my heart really goes out to 3284 03:05:42.840 --> 03:05:46.079 you with that. Tell me about did anybody else go 3285 03:05:46.319 --> 03:05:47.639 to jail other than you? 3286 03:05:49.200 --> 03:05:50.200 Not that I'm aware of. 3287 03:05:51.120 --> 03:05:53.479 No, as far as I know, I'm the only one 3288 03:05:53.520 --> 03:05:56.479 that received criminal charges. And a good friend of mine 3289 03:05:56.559 --> 03:06:00.559 who also did a similar thing, had this state coming 3290 03:06:00.600 --> 03:06:05.079 against her. She lives in a town quite north and 3291 03:06:05.239 --> 03:06:07.479 west of where I live in the southern part of 3292 03:06:07.520 --> 03:06:13.600 the state, or lived, and she their town is too 3293 03:06:13.680 --> 03:06:15.360 small for a police department, but they do have a 3294 03:06:15.440 --> 03:06:19.159 sheriff's office that governs their town and or protects their 3295 03:06:19.159 --> 03:06:22.239 town supposedly. And actually I think her sheriff was a 3296 03:06:22.239 --> 03:06:24.639 pretty good sheriff. He came to her one day and said, 3297 03:06:24.840 --> 03:06:26.399 you know, I got the state got a hold of me, 3298 03:06:26.639 --> 03:06:29.319 and they've asked me to prosecute you. I've told them no, 3299 03:06:29.440 --> 03:06:32.399 I will not prosecute you. Good for him, yeah, yeah, 3300 03:06:33.120 --> 03:06:35.879 she Oh, but you know, I got to tell you this, 3301 03:06:36.000 --> 03:06:38.200 David was a real interesting story. You can you can 3302 03:06:38.280 --> 03:06:44.239 look it up Larveda mcfarcar. She so this is just 3303 03:06:44.319 --> 03:06:50.120 an interesting point to Larvita is a colored woman and 3304 03:06:51.159 --> 03:06:56.319 an amazing gal she is, and our attorney general is 3305 03:06:56.360 --> 03:06:59.440 also colored. And our attorney general made the statement, it's 3306 03:06:59.680 --> 03:07:03.120 it's in the press, something to the effect of that 3307 03:07:03.239 --> 03:07:04.760 he was going to send her to a work farm 3308 03:07:04.799 --> 03:07:05.680 if she didn't obey. 3309 03:07:08.479 --> 03:07:08.719 Wow. 3310 03:07:09.079 --> 03:07:12.040 Wow, And we think you were scratching our heads thinking 3311 03:07:12.680 --> 03:07:17.719 what in the world, Well, if happened. 3312 03:07:17.840 --> 03:07:21.319 If La La wins and ten Walls wins. Keith Olson's 3313 03:07:21.319 --> 03:07:24.200 probably going to get some attorney general or something of 3314 03:07:24.239 --> 03:07:26.120 the US. I mean, that's a frightening idea, isn't it. 3315 03:07:26.360 --> 03:07:26.520 Oh? 3316 03:07:26.639 --> 03:07:28.079 Oh yeah, exactly. 3317 03:07:28.959 --> 03:07:31.000 You know, what about the churches? Just at the beginning 3318 03:07:31.079 --> 03:07:34.040 that Walls did not shut down the strip clubs, they 3319 03:07:34.040 --> 03:07:36.639 shut down the churches. How did that play out? 3320 03:07:38.479 --> 03:07:42.639 Unfortunately, as far as I understand in my local area, 3321 03:07:42.719 --> 03:07:44.600 most of the churches shut down. They consented. 3322 03:07:46.159 --> 03:07:48.079 And when did he When did he let them open 3323 03:07:48.200 --> 03:07:48.799 up again? 3324 03:07:49.239 --> 03:07:52.399 You know? Oh goodness, that's a that's a good question. 3325 03:07:52.600 --> 03:07:54.479 I'm sorry. I cannot give you the date on that 3326 03:07:54.799 --> 03:07:57.239 or the It must have been some time. I'm thinking 3327 03:07:57.319 --> 03:08:01.719 it was in the fall or during that November the 3328 03:08:01.879 --> 03:08:05.600 second shutdown that he I think it was around that time, 3329 03:08:05.639 --> 03:08:07.840 a little before that time, and then it wasn't it 3330 03:08:07.959 --> 03:08:09.479 after the first of the year. I think maybe in 3331 03:08:09.520 --> 03:08:11.639 twenty twenty two that he kind of cleared everybody to 3332 03:08:11.680 --> 03:08:13.879 open up again. But please don't quote me on that. 3333 03:08:14.120 --> 03:08:17.639 I apologize. Yeah, my memory, I think I've tried to 3334 03:08:17.680 --> 03:08:22.040 stuff some things away because they're so very unpleasant. And 3335 03:08:22.399 --> 03:08:25.600 as we're talking and interviewing, and you know, because of 3336 03:08:25.719 --> 03:08:30.520 this VP being Walls, it's all really starting to kind 3337 03:08:30.520 --> 03:08:33.559 of come back and talking about it is good. So 3338 03:08:33.920 --> 03:08:36.319 sharing this story is an important story to share, and. 3339 03:08:36.360 --> 03:08:37.559 If we look at it, you know, we had a 3340 03:08:37.600 --> 03:08:40.399 similar situation in Vegas. I would let the casinos open up, 3341 03:08:40.399 --> 03:08:42.000 they wouldn't let the churches open up. So he had 3342 03:08:42.000 --> 03:08:43.600 some people go in there and hold a church service 3343 03:08:43.680 --> 03:08:46.000 inside of the casino to show the absurdity of that, 3344 03:08:46.280 --> 03:08:48.159 and the Supreme Court signed on to that as well. 3345 03:08:48.239 --> 03:08:52.600 The US Supreme Court absolutely insane. I remember the spring 3346 03:08:52.920 --> 03:08:55.360 of twenty twenty, after a couple of weeks of this 3347 03:08:55.399 --> 03:08:58.559 stuff or whatever, there was a guy that I interviewed 3348 03:08:59.200 --> 03:09:04.319 out of Illinois, and of course Illinois very Pritzker, very dictatorial, 3349 03:09:04.559 --> 03:09:08.079 just like Walls. But he had a small church in 3350 03:09:08.159 --> 03:09:11.600 a small town and he never closed it. And the 3351 03:09:11.719 --> 03:09:14.440 sheriff that was there was a member of that church. 3352 03:09:15.040 --> 03:09:20.159 And so the governor was making threatening gestures and statements 3353 03:09:20.200 --> 03:09:24.639 about all this kind of stuff and the sheriff, as 3354 03:09:24.719 --> 03:09:27.479 you had stories coming back from all over the country 3355 03:09:27.719 --> 03:09:31.639 about some police departments showing up and taking taking down 3356 03:09:31.680 --> 03:09:35.000 the license plate numbers of people who had violated the 3357 03:09:35.200 --> 03:09:37.040 orders and gone to church and all that kind of stuff. 3358 03:09:37.440 --> 03:09:41.399 The sheriff was there at their church with his deputies 3359 03:09:41.639 --> 03:09:44.719 surrounding the church to protect them from the state police. 3360 03:09:45.360 --> 03:09:47.959 And so that's why I tell people that story because again, 3361 03:09:48.639 --> 03:09:52.520 even in a situation like Illinois, kind of a worst 3362 03:09:52.559 --> 03:09:56.040 case state scenario, you can still have some good local 3363 03:09:56.120 --> 03:10:00.479 officials and people. You can make a difference. At the 3364 03:10:00.559 --> 03:10:04.399 federal level, the bipartisan agreement about all this stuff, and 3365 03:10:04.639 --> 03:10:07.639 they've worked this thing up, but at the local level, 3366 03:10:08.319 --> 03:10:09.959 you can make some things better if you get the 3367 03:10:10.040 --> 03:10:11.319 right people there. It's very important. 3368 03:10:11.559 --> 03:10:14.120 That's right. That's right. And you know, we did our 3369 03:10:14.319 --> 03:10:19.680 very best, we meaning myself, my family, supporters, other people 3370 03:10:19.719 --> 03:10:23.239 who really cared the current. The sheriff at the time 3371 03:10:23.719 --> 03:10:27.000 was Sheriff fry Tag, and we did our best to 3372 03:10:27.280 --> 03:10:30.280 inform him and educate him. And I mean that with 3373 03:10:30.440 --> 03:10:33.680 all respect. I'm not belittling him by saying that he 3374 03:10:33.840 --> 03:10:36.719 told me to my face when we were talking about 3375 03:10:36.719 --> 03:10:40.000 the Constitution that he says, you know, I know the 3376 03:10:40.079 --> 03:10:42.000 first and Second Amendment, but I really don't know the 3377 03:10:42.079 --> 03:10:45.360 rest of the Constitution well at all. And we thought 3378 03:10:45.360 --> 03:10:47.600 that he should probably understand the rest of the Constitution, 3379 03:10:47.680 --> 03:10:49.639 and he should understand the First and Second Amendment. A 3380 03:10:49.719 --> 03:10:53.639 little better. Somebody offered an all expense paid a trip 3381 03:10:53.799 --> 03:10:58.440 to Sheriff Max's sheriff seminar. I believe those were going 3382 03:10:58.520 --> 03:11:00.920 on in Texas at the time, three day seminar for 3383 03:11:01.000 --> 03:11:04.520 these sheriffs, educating them from the constitution and how to 3384 03:11:04.559 --> 03:11:06.319 protect the people that you're serving, et cetera. 3385 03:11:06.879 --> 03:11:07.520 He denied that. 3386 03:11:07.639 --> 03:11:12.040 He turned it down. We also tube different parties handed 3387 03:11:12.159 --> 03:11:16.399 him as Sheriff Max's booklet or book on what every 3388 03:11:16.479 --> 03:11:21.239 sheriff should know. And yet when push came to shove, 3389 03:11:22.040 --> 03:11:23.959 my sheriff was not there for me. He was not 3390 03:11:24.040 --> 03:11:27.920 there to protect me. So that was really unfortunate, very 3391 03:11:28.000 --> 03:11:30.920 sad to see. So, yeah, put, you're right, I believe 3392 03:11:30.959 --> 03:11:31.200 there are. 3393 03:11:32.399 --> 03:11:34.360 Yeah, it's right. It's important that we know, you know, 3394 03:11:34.399 --> 03:11:36.719 when these elections are coming up, these local elections, you know, 3395 03:11:37.719 --> 03:11:40.200 kind of get a scope as to where your sheriff 3396 03:11:40.280 --> 03:11:43.040 is on that. I think that's interesting. His name was 3397 03:11:43.079 --> 03:11:46.719 fright Tag, which, like Friday, is like a dragnet, you know, 3398 03:11:47.520 --> 03:11:50.159 my partner. Here's my partner, Friday, you know, fright Tag. 3399 03:11:50.440 --> 03:11:53.079 But there's another good resource out there as well as 3400 03:11:53.319 --> 03:11:57.000 Sheriff Mac and a constitutional sheriffs and peace officers Association. 3401 03:11:57.239 --> 03:12:00.600 Of course, you can support that with being a part 3402 03:12:00.639 --> 03:12:02.600 of the POSSE. You don't have to be somebody who 3403 03:12:02.600 --> 03:12:04.680 works in law enforcement. You can support that effort as 3404 03:12:04.719 --> 03:12:08.760 a POSSE member. Also, Matrohela has a great book that 3405 03:12:08.840 --> 03:12:13.200 has been very effective, short book but packed very easy read, 3406 03:12:13.680 --> 03:12:15.520 a lot of information. It's called The Doctrine of the 3407 03:12:15.600 --> 03:12:19.399 Lesser Magistrate, and it takes it from a historical perspective, 3408 03:12:19.719 --> 03:12:23.319 and that's also something that has been known to open 3409 03:12:23.399 --> 03:12:26.559 the eyes of people who are in law enforcement. So 3410 03:12:26.680 --> 03:12:29.120 a couple of good resources there. Well, it sounds like 3411 03:12:29.159 --> 03:12:31.639 you really know your stuff, and thank you so much 3412 03:12:31.719 --> 03:12:35.200 for taking a stand on that. If people would have 3413 03:12:35.280 --> 03:12:38.000 stood up, it would not have happened. And when people 3414 03:12:38.200 --> 03:12:42.559 finally just started quietly walking away and not complying, that's 3415 03:12:42.600 --> 03:12:46.399 when it ended. And it hasn't officially ended because we 3416 03:12:46.479 --> 03:12:49.680 haven't taken away any of these usurped powers, and we 3417 03:12:49.760 --> 03:12:52.520 haven't seen anybody pay any price for any of this. 3418 03:12:53.000 --> 03:12:56.520 None of the people from the sheriffs up to Fauci 3419 03:12:56.840 --> 03:13:00.959 or either Trump or Biden, nobody has paid penalty for 3420 03:13:01.159 --> 03:13:04.000 any of this stuff. And that's why it's going to 3421 03:13:04.040 --> 03:13:07.319 happen again. And hopefully this next time when it happens again, 3422 03:13:07.319 --> 03:13:09.639 people aren't going to quietly and sheepishly. 3423 03:13:09.239 --> 03:13:09.920 Go along with it. 3424 03:13:10.360 --> 03:13:13.239 They will resist it, and they'll resist it in sufficient 3425 03:13:13.319 --> 03:13:16.479 numbers to stop it. But thank you for standing alone 3426 03:13:16.639 --> 03:13:20.479 essentially against this stuff. It's it's a horrific thing your prison, 3427 03:13:20.680 --> 03:13:23.319 as you point out, when you were in prison, tell 3428 03:13:23.360 --> 03:13:26.520 people what you missed when you were in prison those Ah, yeah. 3429 03:13:26.399 --> 03:13:30.559 Yeah, definitely. I missed Christmas with my family, the birth 3430 03:13:30.799 --> 03:13:32.840 of one of my granddaughters. I was supposed to be 3431 03:13:32.879 --> 03:13:36.159 there in attendance. I missed that. I missed my wedding anniversary, 3432 03:13:36.239 --> 03:13:39.200 as well as a host of other events of life happenings. 3433 03:13:39.280 --> 03:13:42.319 But yeah, it was a tough time, I'll tell you what. 3434 03:13:42.440 --> 03:13:44.479 So David, the Lord, the Lord saw me through. 3435 03:13:44.920 --> 03:13:47.079 Good good. Do they make you wear a mask in 3436 03:13:47.120 --> 03:13:48.200 prison things like that? 3437 03:13:48.479 --> 03:13:51.600 Yes they did, Yes they did. Oh man, I decided 3438 03:13:51.680 --> 03:13:53.799 not to fight that. I'd never worn, you know, a 3439 03:13:53.920 --> 03:13:57.159 mask outside of prison other than court because they required 3440 03:13:57.520 --> 03:13:59.840 actually a face shield is what they let me get 3441 03:13:59.840 --> 03:14:03.840 a with in prison, or excuse me, in court. So yeah, 3442 03:14:04.000 --> 03:14:06.239 it was the whole thing so ridiculous. 3443 03:14:05.920 --> 03:14:09.680 It is it just all that Simon says nonsense. That 3444 03:14:09.959 --> 03:14:11.959 a joke, and it was a joke to start with. 3445 03:14:12.719 --> 03:14:14.879 Oh I'm so sorry that happened to you. But now 3446 03:14:15.000 --> 03:14:17.760 you're in Iowa and have you started I think you've 3447 03:14:17.760 --> 03:14:19.159 started another business? Is that correct? 3448 03:14:21.040 --> 03:14:21.200 Well? 3449 03:14:21.840 --> 03:14:23.360 No, actually we are retired. 3450 03:14:23.600 --> 03:14:25.239 Oh okay, all right, you're retired. 3451 03:14:25.559 --> 03:14:28.239 Yeah, well we're retired at for at least for the 3452 03:14:28.280 --> 03:14:28.760 time being. 3453 03:14:30.440 --> 03:14:32.719 Well, thank you so much for what you did. And again, 3454 03:14:33.200 --> 03:14:36.360 if we'd had more people like you, this charade would 3455 03:14:36.360 --> 03:14:39.799 have not gone on, it would have ended right away. People. 3456 03:14:40.200 --> 03:14:42.280 If you don't stand up, they're going to walk all 3457 03:14:42.319 --> 03:14:45.079 over you. It's just that simple. They walked all over 3458 03:14:45.200 --> 03:14:47.840 us through this period of time. And now we're cheering 3459 03:14:47.920 --> 03:14:51.680 those people, and now were supposed to believe that if 3460 03:14:51.719 --> 03:14:55.040 we don't get the idiot A or idiot B, America 3461 03:14:55.120 --> 03:14:57.920 is over. I'm sorry, America ended in twenty twenty. You 3462 03:14:58.159 --> 03:15:02.680 just haven't noticed it. We're sharing for these people time. 3463 03:15:02.680 --> 03:15:04.280 It's time that everybody catches up, right. 3464 03:15:04.520 --> 03:15:06.680 Yeah, exactly. Thank you so much for what your dad, 3465 03:15:06.719 --> 03:15:08.479 and thank you for coming on. It's great talking to you. 3466 03:15:08.799 --> 03:15:10.719 Good luck to Thank you David. It was a real honor. 3467 03:15:10.760 --> 03:15:14.440 Thank you so much. God bless hearing of biased and false. 3468 03:15:14.079 --> 03:15:15.920 Neooze all too common. 3469 03:15:23.280 --> 03:15:25.760 First, unfortunately. 3470 03:15:28.120 --> 03:15:35.840 The exactly and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3471 03:15:36.120 --> 03:15:38.239 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3472 03:15:38.600 --> 03:15:40.799 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3473 03:15:41.040 --> 03:15:43.120 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3474 03:15:43.280 --> 03:15:45.440 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3475 03:15:45.799 --> 03:15:48.280 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3476 03:15:48.520 --> 03:15:50.719 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3477 03:15:51.319 --> 03:15:53.799 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3478 03:15:54.079 --> 03:15:56.360 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 3479 03:15:56.600 --> 03:15:59.360 Break free from the usual script with a David Night Show, 3480 03:15:59.440 --> 03:16:02.760 a fresh inspective bringing you genuine insights on current events. 3481 03:16:03.040 --> 03:16:04.719 But if the show is going to stay on the air, 3482 03:16:04.959 --> 03:16:09.000 we'll need your continued support. 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