Speaker 1: Dirty hands means clean theology.
Speaker 2: Can you dig it?
Speaker 1: What? What? What? What?
Speaker 3: What is going on on my local guys and gals
Speaker 3: and long distance pals.
Speaker 4: We are back, fast sing sing, I'll.
Speaker 5: Step in and be ben.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 5: Whoa, I'm listening to y'all show. I know that's what
Speaker 5: we're now.
Speaker 4: Brian, Brian, pull up one of them really deep voices
Speaker 4: on your on your box there and do what We're
Speaker 4: back for us.
Speaker 2: And we can't inspired.
Speaker 5: These voice loaded into that it's right there.
Speaker 2: Fired well.
Speaker 4: Today, I'm pretty excited. We got some some good friends
Speaker 4: of ours from the Vessels podcast with us today. We're
Speaker 4: going to have kind of a good free flow discussion,
Speaker 4: but I guarantee it's going to be a lot about faith,
Speaker 4: God and the world that we're living in right now.
Speaker 4: But before we get going, we as always, we want
Speaker 4: to jump in. We want to get a good prayer
Speaker 4: ahead of time. I don't know, justin, are you feeling
Speaker 4: up for it?
Speaker 3: I think we should lie one of our guests, you know,
Speaker 3: it would be only fitting.
Speaker 4: I do like that. We got a volunteer man.
Speaker 5: I'll jump in here. Father, I just thank you for
Speaker 5: this time that we have all together and Lord, I
Speaker 5: thank you for these two men from the Big Bible podcast,
Speaker 5: Justin and Stephen. I thank you for what you've done
Speaker 5: through their podcast. And my hope is that you'll continue
Speaker 5: to do that and they'll continue to reach listeners. And Lord,
Speaker 5: we just actually look over this episode. God got our hearts,
Speaker 5: got our minds, got our spirits, got our words. Lord
Speaker 5: keep us patient with the distractions we've had going on,
Speaker 5: and Father, we just thank you for everything in Jesus name.
Speaker 2: Amen, Amen, Amen.
Speaker 4: Well, like I said, these two gentlemen here are from
Speaker 4: the Vessels podcast. Look it up. It's there's a big ship.
Speaker 4: Pirate looking ship is the logo. Uh, it's driving me nuts.
Speaker 4: But they got a it's a it's an awesome show.
Speaker 4: These guys go into real life. They're very, very vulnerable.
Speaker 4: In their show. They talk about things that are going
Speaker 4: on in their lives, the things that are affecting them.
Speaker 4: And and and to be honest that we've talked about
Speaker 4: this before, but you know, we talk about witness and testimony.
Speaker 4: Witness is seeing what God does in your life, and
Speaker 4: testimony is showing other people, look, look, this is what
Speaker 4: God did for me. And that's why our testimony is
Speaker 4: so important, and these gentlemen on their podcast and it
Speaker 4: is it is an excellent show. Really speak to that
Speaker 4: and really really show, like I said, a very very
Speaker 4: vulnerable side of themselves. And I know they're going to
Speaker 4: help a lot of people out there, but I strongly
Speaker 4: recommend you guys listening to them. It's it's an excellent show.
Speaker 4: So thank you guys for coming on with us today.
Speaker 2: Man, thanks for those kind words.
Speaker 6: It's hard to have beef with somebody when they're just
Speaker 6: like complimenting you so hard.
Speaker 4: Man, Oh, we got beef. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: No, don't get it twisted, you know. Okay, all right, So.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you listen. I told Sean, where there's smoke,
Speaker 4: there's fire, buddy, you.
Speaker 2: Better okay, Okay. I love it.
Speaker 3: And the thing I love about your show honestly is, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like not just deep diving in scriptures.
Speaker 3: It's just really just a real schmortgage board because you're
Speaker 3: you're talking about scripture, but you're talking about moral lessons,
Speaker 3: life lessons, and it's just a lot of good words
Speaker 3: of wisdom and camaraderie with the show, and you guys
Speaker 3: have fun with it. And it's nice just to be
Speaker 3: a fly on the wild to hear your guys' discussions
Speaker 3: and basically just life lessons and things that you're going
Speaker 3: through and how it applies to the Bible and being
Speaker 3: imagers of God. It it's just a really good show.
Speaker 3: And and for those that don't know, these guys are
Speaker 3: professionals that they record, make films and do audio and
Speaker 3: stuff for a living. This is how they make their living.
Speaker 3: So this thing is top notch as far as the
Speaker 3: production goes. You guys do a really amazing job.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I mean it. It is kind of hard
Speaker 5: to have beef, but not really for me because I
Speaker 5: got all these dogs going on. So I'm going to
Speaker 5: channel all the frustrations from the background noises. I'm going
Speaker 5: to dick room completely at Steven. Nobody else in here.
Speaker 5: They're all going towards Steve here. But yeah, we appreciate it. Guys.
Speaker 5: You know, our show was kind of birth just from
Speaker 5: we were having after church Sunday conversations. We've said it
Speaker 5: a ton on our show, never on here, but Brian
Speaker 5: and I became good friends through work. We met on
Speaker 5: the set of a music video that he was shooting.
Speaker 5: I was actually in the video. I was producing music
Speaker 5: at the time. And we've just from day one made
Speaker 5: all of our resources open for one another. And through that,
Speaker 5: you know, I've been blessed to have Brian as a mentor,
Speaker 5: as a friend, as a brother. He's been he's been
Speaker 5: present in my life through a lot of the really
Speaker 5: low lows, and he's helped me, you know, get back
Speaker 5: up on my feet a million other times. And you know,
Speaker 5: we were having these conversations anyway, we have all the
Speaker 5: gear to do this, so we just kind of constructed
Speaker 5: what is now The Vessels Podcast, And if anything, I
Speaker 5: appreciate what you guys are saying, for sure, but it's
Speaker 5: almost for me. It's it's like free therapy sessions that
Speaker 5: we have on our show. You know, it's like an
Speaker 5: unlimited better Help subscription, you know, but it's with one
Speaker 5: of my closest friends. Brian's always been somebody that's been
Speaker 5: super honest with me when I couldn't be honest with myself.
Speaker 5: And we try to keep the show that way too,
Speaker 5: you know, for better or for worse or whatever it is.
Speaker 5: You know, we don't want to hide behind any kind
Speaker 5: of mask a lot of times in a Christian walk.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of people that hide behind,
Speaker 5: you know, the idea of that everything's just all good
Speaker 5: all the time, or you know, something like that, and
Speaker 5: that's just we know that's not the case. I mean,
Speaker 5: all of us sit in here have our own trials,
Speaker 5: we have our own things that stand in opposition of us.
Speaker 5: And you know, I've been doing some mentoring with our
Speaker 5: pastor at our church, guys, and you know, one of
Speaker 5: the best pieces of advice that I've ever heard anybody
Speaker 5: give me is you can't preach what hasn't been preached
Speaker 5: to you. You can't. You can't speak on things you
Speaker 5: don't know. So you know, I'm glad that the show
Speaker 5: resonates with outside listeners that same way, because yeah, we
Speaker 5: just try to keep it one hundred percent saying.
Speaker 6: Authentic absolutely and to jump in on that. You know,
Speaker 6: I think that you you guys, were clearly a huge
Speaker 6: inspiration for the set up, because I remember Sean mentioning
Speaker 6: it all the time when we would have our after
Speaker 6: church conversations. You know, He's like, man, they're trying to
Speaker 6: do this, you know, trying to show them a little
Speaker 6: bit how to go about this and editing, and then
Speaker 6: you know, I know that it sparked that interest in Sean.
Speaker 6: It was like, why are we doing that? Well, don't
Speaker 6: we just go ahead and do that? Just I mean,
Speaker 6: the only thing we weren't doing was turning on a
Speaker 6: camera and hitting the record button. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: it's been an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: For the longest, I tried to avoid ownership of the podcast.
Speaker 6: I'll keep it one hundred percent I did. I was like,
Speaker 6: this is your show, my boy, you know, because I
Speaker 6: was like, I'm not trying to edit. I ain't gonna
Speaker 6: do it. Bro, I ain't gonna do it. I got
Speaker 6: the time, man. And and every time he'd be like,
Speaker 6: I don't care what you say.
Speaker 2: This is you too. I'm like, huh okay, I guess,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: And then you know, just continuing on to the conversations
Speaker 6: that we have to even you know, even having you
Speaker 6: on there, you know, Stephen to you know, eventually hopefully
Speaker 6: having you directly on there too, Justin and everybody else, like,
Speaker 6: just to have these conversations. It's so it is powerful
Speaker 6: because we may just be in the moment discussing things,
Speaker 6: and it's therapeutic for us, but we don't. We don't
Speaker 6: even sometimes consider how it can be so much more
Speaker 6: for someone else. Right, And like even with y'all for
Speaker 6: your show, man, like I love the deep dives, I
Speaker 6: do like to the different topics of every like I mean,
Speaker 6: you you go on that YouTube page of theirs, you
Speaker 6: look at all the different things that they're covering board.
Speaker 6: It's a little bit of everything, you know, And I
Speaker 6: love that aspect of it because I mean, how many
Speaker 6: things have we all been curious about the Bible? From
Speaker 6: all the stories, from all the things that are out there, man,
Speaker 6: and from all the guests that you guys have had
Speaker 6: on that show too. Man, it's incredible. But now you
Speaker 6: guys are very much a big inspiration. I appreciate anytime
Speaker 6: as I see if we said too, like we're having
Speaker 6: church on here, right, we are all the pastors on
Speaker 6: here too. And I love that aspect when you brought
Speaker 6: that to me, like, Okay, I'm listening. I like it.
Speaker 6: It's good to have this, man, and it should be
Speaker 6: more common. And hopefully we keep instelling that all of
Speaker 6: us keeping stealing that for more and more people, because
Speaker 6: we need more discussions about God, We need more conversations
Speaker 6: like this because there's too much mess out there. Otherwise,
Speaker 6: it's easy to get distracted in this world. So we
Speaker 6: need the right word being discussed, renewing our minds daily.
Speaker 5: Right absolutely, there goes, don't know, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was just gonna say for those that don't
Speaker 3: know that that has followed us for a while. Sean
Speaker 3: was the man that got us into video because we
Speaker 3: were just strictly audio and we actually come through and
Speaker 3: got a big name. We got Tempty Alberino on the show,
Speaker 3: and we were like, we have to get this on
Speaker 3: video for YouTube, and Sean's just like, hey, I got
Speaker 3: you guys. So he showed up with all of his
Speaker 3: gear and showed us how to do all this video things.
Speaker 3: So if you guys ever seen that Timothy Alberino video,
Speaker 3: that was all Sean. Sean was the man with the
Speaker 3: cameras and recording and doing the editing for us, and
Speaker 3: so that was our big introduction into video.
Speaker 4: There was I gotta go back. I'm sorry, Brian, I know,
Speaker 4: and if justin if you don't catch this yet, Brian
Speaker 4: cannot take a compliment without giving one. He physically is inca. No,
Speaker 4: you just can't you can't help Listen. I tell Sean
Speaker 4: stuff like this all the time. Man, I tell them
Speaker 4: all the time. I said, listen, God is doing something
Speaker 4: from you. Don't sell it short. Just because you're the
Speaker 4: one doing it it's amazing, doesn't mean that God's not
Speaker 4: behind it. So take a compliment and deal with it.
Speaker 4: I tell you know, I tell that to my wife
Speaker 4: all the time. I'm like, listen, I said, you just
Speaker 4: take a compliment and deal with it. Just you just
Speaker 4: got to deal with it. So man, like I said,
Speaker 4: you guys, like I said, you know, you you inspire us,
Speaker 4: like Justin said, You've inspired us with the video, You've
Speaker 4: inspired us with just you know, the talks I've had
Speaker 4: with you, Sean a lot of times, like just it
Speaker 4: it's it's helped me. It's helped me grow a lot
Speaker 4: in my faith, just to sit down have those conversations.
Speaker 4: You know, Justin We've had a couple of those deep, deep,
Speaker 4: deep talks where you know, you get that real vulnerable
Speaker 4: side of that person. And you know, I don't I
Speaker 4: don't do that with many people. I don't show that
Speaker 4: side with many people. And honestly, we really were supposed
Speaker 4: to because how else do you show that, you know,
Speaker 4: look at I'm broken too. I'm I'm I've been you know, decimated.
Speaker 4: I have been on the floor on my knees, just
Speaker 4: like what's next, Like just the hits keep coming. But
Speaker 4: yet God always picks us back up. And if we
Speaker 4: don't talk about those times, if we don't if we're
Speaker 4: not open about the things, the struggles that we've had,
Speaker 4: if we can't reach out to people, people exactly what
Speaker 4: you guys said before, think, oh, look, these guys are
Speaker 4: Christian podcasters. They got it all together. And guess what,
Speaker 4: that ain't the truth. That ain't the truth at all.
Speaker 5: So I feel like I don't have it together more
Speaker 5: than I ever have it together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just the truth. Yeah, and it's I think
Speaker 4: that's all of us. The minute that you think you
Speaker 4: know it all, the minute you think you're on top
Speaker 4: of your game is when you get taken down a peg.
Speaker 5: We call that mess around and find out, and uh,
Speaker 5: I'm I've got a couple of pH ds and mess
Speaker 5: around and find.
Speaker 6: Out happens to me all the time? Happened right before here,
Speaker 6: right I was talking and missing the chat. I was like,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do this podcast by myself. I'm little, did
Speaker 6: I know I'm in the whole wrong platform, sitting me
Speaker 6: talking to myself.
Speaker 2: I'm just talking you here, mess.
Speaker 6: You might have to do it by yourself if you
Speaker 6: don't show up to the I would have really done
Speaker 6: a podcast all by myself over there.
Speaker 5: Now it is real, you know, I feel like there's
Speaker 5: so well I can speak. You know, before I knew
Speaker 5: the Lord, I would I would talk to people. Actually
Speaker 5: had a lot of resentment towards talking to people that
Speaker 5: had found the Lord, that had been saved.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I have the earliest memory, I know, I was in
Speaker 5: an elementary school. So yeah, somewhere between one and fourth grade.
Speaker 5: I remember a girl came in and she was like,
Speaker 5: oh I got saved this weekend. And I was like,
Speaker 5: what happened? Your house on fire? And like somebody run
Speaker 5: in and grab you? What happened?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: So it was even at that point, you know, I
Speaker 5: kind of resented people that had found the Lord that
Speaker 5: had what you know, they had Jesus when I didn't
Speaker 5: have Jesus. It wasn't because he wasn't available to me.
Speaker 5: It's because I wouldn't accept, you know, that call. And
Speaker 5: at large you know, it's easy to get caught up
Speaker 5: in that. We see. We see a ton of people, right.
Speaker 5: We live in a world where social media, the Internet
Speaker 5: is so dominant in everybody's lives, and it's so easy
Speaker 5: to get swept away into comparison, and you know, that
Speaker 5: person has this, this person has that. Maybe I'm not
Speaker 5: praying enough, maybe I'm not saying the right words when
Speaker 5: I pray. You know, I've not read enough Bible, I've
Speaker 5: not memorized enough things. And I think, you know, from
Speaker 5: my perspective, I think that that keeps people away from
Speaker 5: pursuing more than it, you know, gets them to a
Speaker 5: place to where they want to pursue. So my goal
Speaker 5: is that. Yet sometimes I think probably with everybody you
Speaker 5: know in the podcast right now, I've probably said to
Speaker 5: you at some point in time, I'm probably an oversharer.
Speaker 5: I will share my entire life with a stranger. But
Speaker 5: it's not because I just want to put my business
Speaker 5: on front Street. But if it feels appropriate to let
Speaker 5: that person know, Hey, I'm going through these things as well,
Speaker 5: and there's still salvation after that, there's still a pick
Speaker 5: me up after that, there's still things after that. So
Speaker 5: I very much don't have it all together. But that's
Speaker 5: not the point of this walk anyway. The point of
Speaker 5: this walks not to have it together. It's to learn
Speaker 5: from the times where you're broken into pieces. It's God
Speaker 5: displays his glory through our weaknesses, and you know, he
Speaker 5: gets us to a point where we're so weak that
Speaker 5: we either get to choose death or we get to
Speaker 5: choose life. And that's that's the walk, that's the true
Speaker 5: walk in my opinion. You know, nobody has it one
Speaker 5: hundred percent together. I don't care if you knew some
Speaker 5: of the people around you's deepest, darkest secrets that they're
Speaker 5: not talking about, you would find out how much they
Speaker 5: don't have it together. And I just don't ever want
Speaker 5: to personally be one of those people that somebody thinks
Speaker 5: has it all together. And because that's what I portray,
Speaker 5: I make Jesus an unreachable thing, because he's very reachable.
Speaker 5: He's very available to all of us. And yeah, you can't,
Speaker 5: you can't not tell the truth. That's what we're all
Speaker 5: chasing down right. We want to tell the truth about
Speaker 5: these things. The Bible is full of truth, and the
Speaker 5: Bible is a heartbreaking story that is all true, but
Speaker 5: at the end there's victory, you know, And for me
Speaker 5: to paint my life like it's anything different would be
Speaker 5: you know, it would be wrong, it would be hypocritical.
Speaker 5: And that keeps How many times do we know somebody
Speaker 5: personally that you know, wow, I don't go to church
Speaker 5: because it's full of hypocrites. And you can be mad
Speaker 5: at that, you know, But also we have to acknowledge
Speaker 5: that the church at large walks around kind of being hypocritical. Right.
Speaker 5: They're not telling the whole truth, They're not telling nothing
Speaker 5: but the truth. And I'm included in that. I'm not
Speaker 5: hold myself above it. There's times where you know, I
Speaker 5: try to cover up, I try to mask, I try
Speaker 5: to you know, deflect what's going on in life to
Speaker 5: paint this picture for somebody. But you know, I just
Speaker 5: try to get myself pulled back the center as quickly
Speaker 5: as possible and start telling the truth as much as possible,
Speaker 5: you know, right when I notice those things. So we
Speaker 5: have a responsibility, all of us in here, because we
Speaker 5: know the truth. We have to we have to tell
Speaker 5: that truth at all costs, whether it be that we're
Speaker 5: an overshare, whether it believe you know that somebody knows
Speaker 5: our deepest, darkest secrets. It doesn't matter. You know, whatever's
Speaker 5: done in the dark's coming to the light anyway. And
Speaker 5: that applies not just with God, but it applies to
Speaker 5: the people around us, our family, our friends, our brothers.
Speaker 5: It just it is what happens. You can't keep this
Speaker 5: stuff in the dark.
Speaker 4: So I'll go to that same point that you just
Speaker 4: said though, is you know God, God uses those things
Speaker 4: in our life for us to grow. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 4: a one hundred percent. But you know there's that's the
Speaker 4: first step. The next step is that you see other
Speaker 4: people going through those things in your supposed to reach
Speaker 4: out and and you're supposed to lead by example because
Speaker 4: people are supposed to see Christ through you. So when
Speaker 4: you're going through, you think about Peter and a couple
Speaker 4: of other disciples. You know, they get they get pulled
Speaker 4: into the temple by the high priests. They're like, you
Speaker 4: need to stop talking about this Jesus guy, and they're like, no,
Speaker 4: not today. And guess what, they get flogged and they
Speaker 4: leave celebrating that they were they were deemed worthy enough
Speaker 4: to suffer for Jesus in Jesus name. They were they
Speaker 4: were that they were ecstatic about getting flogged. It wasn't
Speaker 4: for them, It was to show the people around them
Speaker 4: the joy that they had, even in their suffering, even
Speaker 4: in their despair, even in when it would be the
Speaker 4: worst possible thing you think could happen to somebody. They're celebrating.
Speaker 4: They're sitting there going, thank the Lord that I got whooped.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't say much more than that when
Speaker 4: you talk about the the stuff that we go through
Speaker 4: in life, like if if, if you look back to
Speaker 4: those disciples, those people, those true witnesses of what Jesus did,
Speaker 4: and then even people afterwards like Paul, and you go
Speaker 4: further down the line, like Timothy, like Silas, Barnabas, all
Speaker 4: these people. They are sitting there. They just saw what
Speaker 4: God did in their life and they're trying to get
Speaker 4: that to as many people as possible. And it's those
Speaker 4: struggles you have, those things in life. I mean, how
Speaker 4: many times did Paul get stoned? How many times did
Speaker 4: you know? These guys get their lives almost taken and
Speaker 4: guess what, they get up and dust himself off. And
Speaker 4: Paul actually walks back into the city that he just
Speaker 4: got thrown out of in Stone. He gets up, dust
Speaker 4: himself off, walks back in like.
Speaker 5: Just because he wanted to let him know what was up.
Speaker 4: That's it. But that's how we should all be in
Speaker 4: our suffering.
Speaker 1: And it is. It is very.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, is Steve from the dig Bible podcast. I
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Speaker 5: There was a there was a turning point and I've
Speaker 5: never shared it with you, Steve or you justin you know,
Speaker 5: in in my walk as a Christian where I realized
Speaker 5: how how important being open was. You know, I've kind
Speaker 5: of always been that over share. I don't try to
Speaker 5: keep a ton away from the people I'm close to,
Speaker 5: And now it's like I don't keep a ton away
Speaker 5: from even a stranger. I just met Walmart and they
Speaker 5: probably be like, man, he's crazy. He just told me
Speaker 5: his whole life story. Uh. But there was a turning point,
Speaker 5: and I won't bring up the subject or anything, but
Speaker 5: there was a turning point where I had spoken with
Speaker 5: Justin and was kind of advising him on some stuff,
Speaker 5: and Brian, you were there because you'd already advised me
Speaker 5: on the same thing. You know, I was just carrying
Speaker 5: over and Justin looked at me, and Steven was in there,
Speaker 5: and Justin was like, so you're going through that right
Speaker 5: now too, And I was like, yeah, dude, I wouldn't
Speaker 5: advise on something I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: It's not saying that I know the complete right way
Speaker 5: to do things, but I'm giving you the same advice
Speaker 5: that I'm giving myself. I'm I'm asking you to follow
Speaker 5: what I'm following too, And you know, whether it be
Speaker 5: for right or wrong, it's the best that I know
Speaker 5: what to do with it right now, you know. So
Speaker 5: since that point that we had that, I mean, I
Speaker 5: just you know, kept on keeping on, keep on sharing
Speaker 5: those things, keep on using the things in my life
Speaker 5: that are sent to destroy me, and I speak life
Speaker 5: into other people. You know, God has been gracious enough
Speaker 5: with me to use me in that way. You know,
Speaker 5: more than a handful of times, so I don't I
Speaker 5: don't pull back from that, you know, I want people
Speaker 5: to know that you can get back up on your feet.
Speaker 5: I want people to know that you can keep on going.
Speaker 5: And yeah, you go look like Rocky Sometimes the whole
Speaker 5: face is gonna be swallowing shot. You's got to beat
Speaker 5: half to death. But you still crawled back, you know,
Speaker 5: because yeah, there's not a bell. I'm not stopping until
Speaker 5: I hear that trumpet. Period.
Speaker 3: It was an amazing thing for me too, man, because honestly,
Speaker 3: that was one of the biggest moments in like beyond
Speaker 3: a shadow of a doubt in my mind, the biggest
Speaker 3: spiritual warfare episodes of my life. And to know that
Speaker 3: you were going through that too, because like you said,
Speaker 3: you don't even mean to, but you put up this
Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, facade. You know, Hey,
Speaker 3: yeah I'm doing this and everything's smooth sailing, bro. I
Speaker 3: got it all figured out that that's how you appeared
Speaker 3: the outside world. So someone like me that was going
Speaker 3: through that situation, I dared approached you with it because
Speaker 3: it's like it would as a man, it would make
Speaker 3: me feel weak, inefficient and things like that.
Speaker 5: So when you you.
Speaker 3: Brought that out, it was just like, whoa, you know, Uh,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have it all figured out, you know, so
Speaker 3: I need to confide in this man and pick his
Speaker 3: brain and try to figure out how he mapped that
Speaker 3: certain situation. So I was definitely appreciative of it all the.
Speaker 5: Same here, man, I'm going to apologize to your guys's
Speaker 5: listeners until somebody else gets home this whole dog thing.
Speaker 5: You just pray for, y'all, pray for the dog because
Speaker 5: after the show at the door.
Speaker 2: The poor representation of vessels.
Speaker 5: Right now, it's actually one hundred accurate to the show.
Speaker 5: It's actually right on.
Speaker 6: Par Let's have a conversation about let's get our dogs
Speaker 6: in line, Okay, let's talk about what the Lord leading
Speaker 6: us there to do.
Speaker 2: I agree, like I actually.
Speaker 6: I can give you give you as a perfect example
Speaker 6: of doing that right now. And actually, even where I
Speaker 6: do mentor others, right I have another person that is
Speaker 6: connected to it. So I have a good, longtime best
Speaker 6: friend that unfortunately, you know, going through the process of
Speaker 6: divorce currently. And there for a while, you know, I
Speaker 6: was working with him. He was saying, he's doing his work,
Speaker 6: he's getting into his Bible. Right, he's staying focused on
Speaker 6: the word like he needed to.
Speaker 2: And you know, me being a human that I am.
Speaker 6: Uh, I got busy with work, didn't check in as
Speaker 6: much like I did. Right, four months goes by and
Speaker 6: I happen to be out in his neighborhood checking out
Speaker 6: a property. So I reach out to him because that's
Speaker 6: kind of my way of doing things. Right, when I'm
Speaker 6: in that moment, I think of you, I'm sending something.
Speaker 6: I don't need to wait until later in that day.
Speaker 6: I'll just send it randomly. Right, And he's gone down
Speaker 6: the complete opposite path. Now, Unfortunately, it's it's his depression talking,
Speaker 6: it's the it's it's God's fault, it's this and that.
Speaker 6: And one of the first things I reminded him of
Speaker 6: I was, I was like, let's not get mad at
Speaker 6: God when we have our free will here.
Speaker 2: It wasn't God that caused her to do these things.
Speaker 6: You know, we're trying to put Blaine where it doesn't
Speaker 6: belong and simply, you know, trying to make this long
Speaker 6: story shorter.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 6: Seeing him in a distract place of mind, right, he
Speaker 6: was getting borderline rude with me, treating me almost as
Speaker 6: if I'm the problem, But I understand when you're not
Speaker 6: in the right frame of mind. When I'm no longer
Speaker 6: talking to that person, I'm talking to their depression, I'm
Speaker 6: talking to their emotions. I'm talking to that lost person
Speaker 6: that's just ran away from God. And I chose patience
Speaker 6: in the past. Let me tell you, boys, you say
Speaker 6: something crazy to me, I'm in your neighborhood and I
Speaker 6: got some baby powder on me. I will surely stop on,
Speaker 6: but I'll pause my schedule for the day.
Speaker 2: I will make.
Speaker 6: Some time to come talk to you. And you know
Speaker 6: I've learned obviously that does no good. If I'm to
Speaker 6: be more like a lord, you know, walk with compassion
Speaker 6: and show love, that's my job.
Speaker 2: Love my neighbor.
Speaker 6: Right and outside of even he and I, I have
Speaker 6: another person I mentor that knows him, and it's part
Speaker 6: of his development where he was scared to reach out,
Speaker 6: he started reaching out to that same mutual friend, check
Speaker 6: and see how he was doing and get over his
Speaker 6: uncomfortable side of thinking he's just bothering people. Well, the
Speaker 6: guy I'm currently mentoring has made a lot of progress
Speaker 6: in that world. And I actually literally had the conversation
Speaker 6: with him where I reinstated when you have worked through something,
Speaker 6: God has helped you in every step of that way.
Speaker 6: You see your ally over there on bended knee, struggling,
Speaker 6: you go right there with him. You choose to pick
Speaker 6: him up and not just leave him out there. It
Speaker 6: may not be on your terms, you know. It could
Speaker 6: be that he becomes rude, and he did. He got
Speaker 6: rude with even him right and I had to call
Speaker 6: him again and remind him. Is that Listen, we're not
Speaker 6: talking to the same person right now. We're talking to
Speaker 6: somebody who's in that emotion. He's believing in the heart
Speaker 6: being so deceitful to him right now. But no, let
Speaker 6: go of that, let go of yourself, right What does
Speaker 6: God want you to do here? Do you leave this
Speaker 6: man alone because he's just angry and hates everyone and everything?
Speaker 6: Or do you be patient something even if you're not
Speaker 6: the most patient person. Be compassionate, even if you just
Speaker 6: don't want to be compassionate. And that's what we're supposed
Speaker 6: to do. When we've worked ourselves and gotten passed through
Speaker 6: these things. That experience isn't just only meant for you. You
Speaker 6: take that information. You see your brother slip and falling whatever. Hey,
Speaker 6: this is what's going on. This is what I can
Speaker 6: still struggle with with it. This is how I got
Speaker 6: past it. And this is where I'm gonna hold you
Speaker 6: accountable at too, if you want to get past it
Speaker 6: as well. But I love you and I won't let
Speaker 6: you sit there. But I believe we definitely inherently have
Speaker 6: that resptponsibility to do those types of things.
Speaker 4: So I tell you, I'm gonna tell you that you
Speaker 4: think about this like like I think it's spiritual warfare
Speaker 4: first of all, right, if heesian six twelve, we fight
Speaker 4: not against flesh and blood. We're fighting against evil powers,
Speaker 4: dark and dark places. You know, this is all stuff, depression,
Speaker 4: all these other feelings that that we have of you know,
Speaker 4: in adequacy, all these things. This is a demon whispering
Speaker 4: in your ear. This is not God, this is nothing.
Speaker 4: This is the world. This is all the demonic forces
Speaker 4: in this world. We're sparing here telling you you're not
Speaker 4: good enough, telling you you're not you know there. But
Speaker 4: what you're saying, Brian to me is the way I
Speaker 4: look at it as a is a dodgeball game, right,
Speaker 4: It's us against the bad guys. And if your buddy
Speaker 4: is one on one with the bad guy. If you
Speaker 4: step in, you're on his team. All of a sudden,
Speaker 4: it's two against one, much better odds, right, if you
Speaker 4: got somebody at your back, that's there, that's gonna be
Speaker 4: speaking that that that you know, the Gospel speaking Jesus
Speaker 4: speaking God over you, that that dodgeball game that just
Speaker 4: swung in a positive direction. So I think it's really
Speaker 4: important to to Like you said, I think you know
Speaker 4: you have two choices there. You're just gonna leave alone,
Speaker 4: say eh whatever, or are you gonna step up to
Speaker 4: the plate and be that you know, the guy that
Speaker 4: jumps in and say I'm on your team, buddy, I'm here,
Speaker 4: you know. And I'd say the same thing to every
Speaker 4: one of you guys. And I've said I say this
Speaker 4: to a lot of people, but you guys, ever need me,
Speaker 4: I'm there, you know. I say that to people I meet.
Speaker 4: I say to people that I barely know you need me,
Speaker 4: I'm there. Because the things that you're going through, that's
Speaker 4: not you, that's not God. That's that's first of all,
Speaker 4: there's sin, but there's demonic things in this world. The
Speaker 4: things that go through your head, those evil thoughts those
Speaker 4: things that happen. This is this is such a fight
Speaker 4: that people don't understand that if we could see the
Speaker 4: spiritual realm around us, you probably you'd have a heart
Speaker 4: attack and die because you could not handle the sight
Speaker 4: of what you would see. The demons that are surrounding us,
Speaker 4: the evil that surround us. And if we don't have
Speaker 4: God on our team, if we haven't asked Jesus to
Speaker 4: step in and be on our team, then we're leaving
Speaker 4: ourselves extremely exposed. And on top of that, if you
Speaker 4: have it in you, you're stepping into a role to
Speaker 4: try to help that person next to you. We don't
Speaker 4: want to leave anybody on the island. We want to
Speaker 4: get on that island with him and say, hey, you
Speaker 4: know we're here for you. Let I want to help you.
Speaker 4: I want to get you to that next step, whatever
Speaker 4: it may be. But no, I think that's spot on.
Speaker 4: I think that's I mean, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, amen, agreement. I mean it is something that will
Speaker 6: always do. And you know, I know we talk about
Speaker 6: this on the show, but like I know, Sean says
Speaker 6: that I help him out a lot, but like you know,
Speaker 6: there's several times he helps me out. Like that's the thing.
Speaker 6: God's provided us with so many resources. I see when
Speaker 6: I have your phone number, I could call you up
Speaker 6: if I have any kind of question.
Speaker 2: I know you'd be there for me. I don't have
Speaker 2: a doubt in the world.
Speaker 6: Like God doesn't allow me to cross paths with certain
Speaker 6: people and not have that ability to And the only
Speaker 6: time I'm getting away from God is just like we've
Speaker 6: talked about millions of time, I'm just not focusing and
Speaker 6: using my resources. And it's human human aspects. We get
Speaker 6: too over encumbered by you know, what we watched on
Speaker 6: TV or YouTube or you know.
Speaker 2: We're just doing the wrong things.
Speaker 6: We're drinking too much, we're trying to just get far
Speaker 6: away because we want to follow the emotions, and you know,
Speaker 6: you're right. I mean, we're trying to just not even
Speaker 6: acknowledge it's a demon. That's we're just not willing to
Speaker 6: fight anymore. We're just saying, go ahead, just run it.
Speaker 6: Let's just be depressed for a week. We'll be fine
Speaker 6: again afterwards. And that was one of even one of
Speaker 6: the messages he sent me. You know, it was like,
Speaker 6: I I've worked through this before. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you did, but you know, to do it all by yourself.
Speaker 6: I mean that doesn't sound like the best idea. I
Speaker 6: mean I try to do so many things by myself
Speaker 6: because I thought I had no other choice.
Speaker 2: I had choices every single time.
Speaker 6: I'm just an idiot, and I now know that I
Speaker 6: have several and so many resources that like, I know,
Speaker 6: people tend to view me as somebody that doesn't. It's
Speaker 6: just now, I just don't call the same people for it.
Speaker 6: I call the specific person I know they can help
Speaker 6: me with that information that I'm looking for. And if
Speaker 6: you happen to be that person I'm calling, I got
Speaker 6: no shame in my game.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm an idiot. Can you help me with this?
Speaker 6: And if we can all and it's tough when the
Speaker 6: demon's whispering in your ear. Depression, man, I'm sure we've
Speaker 6: all had a taste of it, right it is. It
Speaker 6: is one of the just craziest things that it seems
Speaker 6: so sweet in the moment to just give in, let
Speaker 6: it be, just feel the feelings. But staying there is
Speaker 6: only making everything you're worried about with your depression become
Speaker 6: actually real. All the problems that you're so actually deathly
Speaker 6: afraid of you're doing the action to make sure that
Speaker 6: that is what really comes to play instead of just
Speaker 6: doing the work. When the work, well, it's the word, right,
Speaker 6: the word work doesn't mean you're just sitting around waiting.
Speaker 6: You're just waiting for somebody to come. Put the resolve
Speaker 6: right directly in your palm, and now you're good to go.
Speaker 6: You've got to go work. And when you're working, that's
Speaker 6: the real blessing. You get to see everything. Your eyes
Speaker 6: are so much more open, you can pay attention to
Speaker 6: the details. And now when those moments come again, you
Speaker 6: remember those things. It's like you build your own scrapbook
Speaker 6: in your head that helps you just remember. Okay, well listen,
Speaker 6: we've been here before. This is somewhat similar alters. Yeah,
Speaker 6: one hundred percent, man, And you can keep going because, yeah,
Speaker 6: I still get knocked down plenty of days. You know,
Speaker 6: I'll go so hard I or I neglect something or
Speaker 6: you know, whatever.
Speaker 2: It could be. I can still falter.
Speaker 6: And man, I if I ever run into somebody that
Speaker 6: says I got.
Speaker 2: It all figured out, I'm good. I don't need anything.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find like some holy water and throw it
Speaker 2: on them. I'll put a cross on their foread and
Speaker 2: just see if it burns. I expect to.
Speaker 3: Fill run away, run from those people behind me, Satan No,
Speaker 3: because that's lie man.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be around those kind of people.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: Ever, once you get to a certain point, when you
Speaker 5: think you have it all figured out, you get dangerous
Speaker 5: with that ego. I know, because me and my ego
Speaker 5: are close buddies, but we can't hang out. You know,
Speaker 5: we're clothes buddies, but we can't hang out. And the
Speaker 5: times that we do hang out, we just that guy
Speaker 5: gets me in trouble every single time. And you know,
Speaker 5: speaking on depression and things like that, it's just growing up,
Speaker 5: I never heard about anybody being depressed.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I think that the older generation before us, they just
Speaker 5: thought that you could beat depression out of somebody, right,
Speaker 5: just you know, if a kid's acting sad, just the
Speaker 5: I mean, you know my kids, Papa mean, it's any
Speaker 5: problem in their life, that's the answer, whoop them, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. And it's like that doesn't really work.
Speaker 5: But what does work is to be open. And you know,
Speaker 5: like I'll use myself as an example today, even being open,
Speaker 5: it's not being vulnerable just to other people, right, It's
Speaker 5: it's having a vulnerable prayer life. It's having a vulnerable
Speaker 5: walk with the Lord, you know, because not only do
Speaker 5: we try to keep things away from the people that
Speaker 5: we know, but we try to keep things away from God,
Speaker 5: you know. And how foolish of us to think that
Speaker 5: that's gonna work out anyway, But we do it. We
Speaker 5: absolutely do it. And this morning, you know, I just
Speaker 5: went I've just had a week, man Like, it's been
Speaker 5: a lot of work, it's been a lot of just
Speaker 5: other crazy bs stuff going on. It's just like out
Speaker 5: of nowhere, you know. And this morning, I ain't gonna
Speaker 5: lot of y'all. I woke up, I doom scrolled on
Speaker 5: my cell phone until noon, and I told myself, every
Speaker 5: ten minutes, I'm gonna do my Bible study. In ten minutes,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do my Bible study in ten minutes. And
Speaker 5: I'm just Instagram just having me wrapped up. All the
Speaker 5: videos were good. I just couldn't get away. And I
Speaker 5: finally taught myself. I was like, nah, you're being a loser.
Speaker 5: We gotta get to this Bible study. You know, sometimes
Speaker 5: you gotta have some mean self talk. You gotta keep
Speaker 5: it real with yourself and open the Bible up. I read.
Speaker 5: I read like three sentences. I'm just super distracted, and
Speaker 5: so I just go to prayer, you know, and I prayed.
Speaker 5: I just told God openly, what do you want me
Speaker 5: to pray about? Like, I don't even know how to
Speaker 5: form the words to express it to you? What is
Speaker 5: it that you want me to do with this? You know,
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to get out of this. If this
Speaker 5: is where I need to be, so be it. Let
Speaker 5: your will be done in my life. But I'm asking
Speaker 5: you for endurance. I'm asking you for extra vision so
Speaker 5: I can see what it is that I need to
Speaker 5: see right now to I need to hear what I
Speaker 5: need to hear right now. I need to make sure
Speaker 5: that in this moment, I'm just the only thing. You know,
Speaker 5: you don't want to just leave out of a moment
Speaker 5: like this and the only thing that you have is
Speaker 5: a defeat. You want to come out victorious, and not
Speaker 5: just for yourself, but above all things. You want to
Speaker 5: come out victorious because that glorifies the Lord and your struggles.
Speaker 5: And I'm asking him, what is it that I need
Speaker 5: to do to to to be able to get back
Speaker 5: to where I know I need to be at. And anyway,
Speaker 5: I just I just prayed myself in circles, right like,
Speaker 5: I feel like God just had to listen to me
Speaker 5: ramble for five or ten minutes, you know, And you know,
Speaker 5: praise praise the Lord that the Holy Spirit steps in
Speaker 5: and intercedes on our behalf and makes sense out of
Speaker 5: our our our rumblings and all of our bramblings. But
Speaker 5: you know, I opened my eyes from prayer. I look
Speaker 5: back down at my Bible and I'm studying Matthew right now,
Speaker 5: and I look down and your scripture nerds can tell
Speaker 5: me where. But the next verse that I'm going over
Speaker 5: is Jesus saying, you know, all you guys that are
Speaker 5: burdened and heavy laden, come to me and I'll give
Speaker 5: you rest, you know. But without just that open conversation
Speaker 5: with the Lord and saying here, I am like, what
Speaker 5: do you? I don't even know what to say to you.
Speaker 5: That's how far disconnected I feel today. I don't even
Speaker 5: know what to say to you. And the answer is always,
Speaker 5: you got to come back to Jesus, right like. You
Speaker 5: have to do that. That's the only rest I've ever
Speaker 5: gotten in my entire life, and I wholeheartedly believe it'll
Speaker 5: be the only rest that any of us ever get.
Speaker 5: You know, and I'm not talking about the kind of
Speaker 5: rest that you go to sleep and you have a
Speaker 5: good night sleep. I'm talking about the rest and your spirit.
Speaker 5: You know, there's an unrest when you're in those places
Speaker 5: that I don't care if you hit a billion dollar
Speaker 5: jackpot lottery, that won't give you the rest from that.
Speaker 5: You're just tormented until you get yourself back there. And
Speaker 5: you have to be open with God. You know, a
Speaker 5: lot of times when I was a brand new, fresh
Speaker 5: baby Christian, you know, I didn't want to go to
Speaker 5: God with any problems, right because I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to complain, Lord, I don't want to complain to
Speaker 5: the Lord, complete opposite of what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 5: And I promise, like, the more open you are, it
Speaker 5: might be a complaint at first. You keep talking, you
Speaker 5: keep praying, those complaints will work themselves right into gratitude.
Speaker 5: He will show you where to be grateful. He will
Speaker 5: show you how to flip that complaint into being triumphant
Speaker 5: over whatever it is that you're complaining about. But man,
Speaker 5: when you try to keep that away from him. You're
Speaker 5: on your own that you're in a full long game
Speaker 5: of mess around and find out you get to face
Speaker 5: all the bosses. You're gonna get stomped out, every one
Speaker 5: of them. Ain't no extra lives nothing, You're just done.
Speaker 5: You just playing a losing game. And you know, I
Speaker 5: would encourage anybody, everybody, you know, be open with the Lord,
Speaker 5: no matter what it is. You know, it's we're supposed
Speaker 5: to come to the Lord. You know just how we are,
Speaker 5: So why do we try to change that before we come?
Speaker 5: You know, it's like it's we're working the opposite way,
Speaker 5: and we you know, humans just like to keep things
Speaker 5: in the dark. We're ashamed of everything that goes wrong
Speaker 5: in our life. And it's like we're under a magnifying
Speaker 5: glass right now in the age of social media and
Speaker 5: all that, where it's like you better not slip up
Speaker 5: and fall, because what will everybody think? Who cares what
Speaker 5: anybody except for Jesus thinks of me? You know I
Speaker 5: do in certain times, but truly, who cares? And why
Speaker 5: do we spend our time defending that? Why do we
Speaker 5: spend our you know, we we want so much to
Speaker 5: be in the light that we turn the dark. We
Speaker 5: turn the lights out? Yeah, why why do we do that?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, it's we turn the complete
Speaker 5: opposite direction, you know, Brian, Just like you were saying
Speaker 5: about your buddy. It's like you get fired up, you
Speaker 5: get fired up, you get fired up. But I mean,
Speaker 5: let's keep it real. Sometimes we just get fired up
Speaker 5: until we don't get what we want and then we
Speaker 5: act like babies.
Speaker 6: So lack of patience for sure. I mean, that's all
Speaker 6: whatever really boils down to God. I prayed, God, I
Speaker 6: prayed God, I asked. You said, that's all I had
Speaker 6: to do. Hold on, you know, hold up, bud, Yeah, pray, ask,
Speaker 6: but you still got to get to work, you know.
Speaker 6: To you know, I call, you know, prayer for just
Speaker 6: a full blown, well, prayer for anything. I wouldn't even
Speaker 6: say just a miracle, right, Just prayer and asking for
Speaker 6: things without work is also just known as delusion. To
Speaker 6: sit there and only pray and do nothing behind it.
Speaker 6: Be on that further like that, that's that doesn't make
Speaker 6: sense to me. You know, if if I'm restricted and
Speaker 6: I physically can't go do some work I have no capability,
Speaker 6: then yes, I'm going to pray. But that's because you know,
Speaker 6: if I'm a quadriplegic or something to a degree and
Speaker 6: I've lost all my limbs, i can't get up and
Speaker 6: go to work, I'm gonna pray. I'm gonna go hard
Speaker 6: with that, but there will still be something that I
Speaker 6: can do, because, uh, you know, I believe heavily in
Speaker 6: that we are to get to work, and we typically
Speaker 6: become impatient because we're not working. It's easy to sit
Speaker 6: there and just say I want the outcome. And when
Speaker 6: we take a break, why isn't the outcome here yet?
Speaker 6: You just you just did thirty minutes worth of work
Speaker 6: and you just expected it's gonna fall in your lap now, Delusion.
Speaker 5: Spiritual Labs and you guys, I mean, you know Justin
Speaker 5: and Steven. You know, I've had the pleasure of knowing
Speaker 5: both of you guys for a while now and having
Speaker 5: good conversations with both of you. And you know, a
Speaker 5: big accolade that I would give you guys is you've
Speaker 5: been a great example of no matter what's happening, you
Speaker 5: guys have kept your eyes on the prize with your show.
Speaker 5: You know, you guys have went through you know, plenty
Speaker 5: of life stuff, you've went through internal stuff. You guys
Speaker 5: have been through all that, and none of your listeners
Speaker 5: wouldn't know it all, you know, And I thought about
Speaker 5: that the other days. I'm just like getting molly walked
Speaker 5: out here. We've not uploaded I've not uploaded an episode
Speaker 5: in like two weeks. I'm like, you know, look at yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's really something to focus on. You know,
Speaker 5: it's inspiring to me for sure. You know that you guys,
Speaker 5: despite all the obstacles that life throws, you've made sure
Speaker 5: that you've at least got you know, a bunch of
Speaker 5: episodes stacked up, scheduled, ready to go. You guys have
Speaker 5: persevered through it all, through it all, you know. So
Speaker 5: you guys are carrying that same torch, you know, And
Speaker 5: I would be curious to ask, you know, how do
Speaker 5: you get through those things? You know, your show's face
Speaker 5: plenty of challenges. How what have you guys put into practice?
Speaker 5: What do you? Obviously you lean on the Lord, but
Speaker 5: that sentence is very vague, you know. I when when
Speaker 5: people that are trying to come to know the Lord
Speaker 5: come to somebody and they're like, just give it to Jesus,
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, Okay, I hear you, but land the plane, Like,
Speaker 5: what does that mean? How do I do that? Give
Speaker 5: some instruction and some insight? And you guys have done that.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, just I mean your channel speaks
Speaker 5: for itself. Look at the consistency. What have kept you
Speaker 5: guys consistent in the game with your head straight? What
Speaker 5: is it that you're doing.
Speaker 4: I think that's funny because you you think about this,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to tell you right now, I'll tell
Speaker 4: you what's kept us in the game. And his name
Speaker 4: starts with a J. That's all I'm gonna say. Because
Speaker 4: he's been consistent, he's been on fire, he's he's gone
Speaker 4: after this stuff. But I will tell you that it's
Speaker 4: just like what was talking about.
Speaker 5: We talk about Jesus or Justin here.
Speaker 4: No, Ben has a silent Ben has a silent Jay
Speaker 4: at the beginning. No, but Justin and all serious, I
Speaker 4: mean it is it is ultimately for Jesus, obviously, but
Speaker 4: Justin has been you know. So when God sets you
Speaker 4: up with something right, if God has a plan for you,
Speaker 4: he's going to give you the tools to get something done.
Speaker 4: And I'm not calling Justin a tool, but what I
Speaker 4: am saying is that you know, He's put us in
Speaker 4: a place, in a in the way that he set
Speaker 4: this up, the way this show started. This isn't there's
Speaker 4: no glory to us and this at all. But what
Speaker 4: he did is he put a couple of people together
Speaker 4: where we can lift each other up. We have disagreements,
Speaker 4: Believe me, we have disagreements. Me and Justin both have
Speaker 4: talked about walking away from the show. I'm not that
Speaker 4: I'm being very vulnerable open right now. We both have
Speaker 4: said at times like I'm I'm done. It's it's you
Speaker 4: go through so much spiritual warfare when you're especially when
Speaker 4: you're doing what God's calling you to do, You're gonna
Speaker 4: be under more attack than you've ever been before. And
Speaker 4: I tell you what, You're gonna go through it. You're
Speaker 4: gonna go through it. And the whole point is, you know,
Speaker 4: it's that build your rewards up in heaven because right now,
Speaker 4: the suffering that we go through, you know, the suffering
Speaker 4: that we have on this planet, when it's for when
Speaker 4: it's for God, when it's for the right reasons, then
Speaker 4: you know God sees that God wants us to persevere
Speaker 4: through those things because our faith and what we do.
Speaker 4: The reason we do these things is not for us.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying that it isn't cool to
Speaker 4: get behind a microphone and do these things. It's not
Speaker 4: something I ever thought I do. But I'm not saying
Speaker 4: it's not cool to do that. But in the end,
Speaker 4: when you get done, you know, there's I say this
Speaker 4: about anybody else out there that's listening to this, just
Speaker 4: like what you guys said about before this, you guys
Speaker 4: had talks. What was the difference, Well, you bought a microphone. Right,
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people out there that are way, way,
Speaker 4: way more qualified than I will ever be to be
Speaker 4: in this seat, way more qualified. The differences. I bought
Speaker 4: a microphone. I listened to what God told me to do.
Speaker 4: Justin listened to what God told him to do. And
Speaker 4: even when we get down on the dumps, even when
Speaker 4: we sit there and men, you know, we've been through
Speaker 4: and I mean and I don't in our own in
Speaker 4: different ways, Me and him have both been to Helen
Speaker 4: back through this quite literally, since this started, we've both
Speaker 4: been to Helen back. And I'm not being even remotely facetious.
Speaker 4: The things that Justin's have gone through have been on
Speaker 4: a very real physical world level. And I've gone through
Speaker 4: the hardest spiritual warfare stuff that has happened in my
Speaker 4: life since my actual conversion when God actually called me
Speaker 4: for real. This has been the heart this time in
Speaker 4: my life the last two years. It has. There's just
Speaker 4: no way around that. So when you can go through
Speaker 4: those things and knowing that God's got your back, when
Speaker 4: we have each other's back, when we can lift each
Speaker 4: other up, when you got that other guy in your
Speaker 4: dodgeball team to sit there and say, don't listen to
Speaker 4: the nonsense. We got to keep We gotta keep on
Speaker 4: pace with what God wants us to do. That's what
Speaker 4: you do. It's the same thing that you guys do.
Speaker 4: You guys did it before you were doing it as
Speaker 4: a podcast. You were doing it just to do it
Speaker 4: with each other, to lift each other up, to help
Speaker 4: each other through those tough times. And it's it's God
Speaker 4: gives you those resources, ei those tools. I mean, Brian,
Speaker 4: I know you are huge on the resources, but people
Speaker 4: are resources. I hate to say it that way. It
Speaker 4: doesn't sound. It sounds like you're using them, but it's
Speaker 4: not using them. God puts somebody in your life that
Speaker 4: will help you. A resource is something that helps you.
Speaker 4: And man, Justin has helped me in my walk and
Speaker 4: in my life more than I can ever repay him
Speaker 4: for what he's done. Just to have this a show,
Speaker 4: just to have this time, Sean, You've helped me in
Speaker 4: ways I can't even tell you. I told you before.
Speaker 4: I look up to you. You're like ten years younger
Speaker 4: than me. I look up to you, you know, Brian,
Speaker 4: I have only met you a couple times, but you
Speaker 4: are an amazing human being that I'm already learning things from.
Speaker 4: Not only that, but through the stories that Sean tells me,
Speaker 4: I'm learning from you through Sean. How about that? So
Speaker 4: the whole point is that in this space, anybody, and
Speaker 4: not just doing a podcast, but I'm talking about in
Speaker 4: the Christian realm, you need. This is why church is important,
Speaker 4: because you need people around you that have a faith.
Speaker 4: You need people around you that are gonna help you
Speaker 4: when you trip and fall, and God puts those people
Speaker 4: in your life, and you gotta be you gotta be
Speaker 4: open to understanding that when you're broken, God's gonna God's
Speaker 4: gonna pick you up, but He sometimes is gonna use
Speaker 4: somebody to help you.
Speaker 1: Up and man with me too. As far as like
Speaker 1: Boots on the ground is.
Speaker 3: Just consistency and showing up, saying yes, you know, just
Speaker 3: leaning in and just putting your nose to the grindstone.
Speaker 3: There's days, you know, like for those that go to
Speaker 3: the gym, you know, there's plenty of days that you
Speaker 3: wake up and you're like, man, I do not want
Speaker 3: to go to gym today.
Speaker 1: And the same thing.
Speaker 3: I've even applied church sometimes sometimes church can be like
Speaker 3: the gym.
Speaker 1: You know, you're tired from work and at.
Speaker 3: Eight o'clock alarm clock goes off and you're like, man,
Speaker 3: I just love to stay in bed today. But when
Speaker 3: you force yourself to get up and go, Like, I
Speaker 3: love how Brian his theology lines up perfectly with mine.
Speaker 3: I always say that, yes, God looks out for those
Speaker 3: and answers prayers and blesses people. But he's a god
Speaker 3: that rewards work. He's a God that meets you in
Speaker 3: the middle. You know, you have to step out and
Speaker 3: meet him halfway, and if you do that, he's going
Speaker 3: to meet you there. And so when you do go
Speaker 3: to church or when you do go to the gym,
Speaker 3: and after you walk out, you're just like, there's the reward. Man,
Speaker 3: I feel so much better. Man, I'm so glad that
Speaker 3: I went. So it's like days that you're going through
Speaker 3: spiritual warfare, or you look at those downloads and there's
Speaker 3: nobody watching, and you just feel discouraged and you put
Speaker 3: in all this work and you're like, well what for?
Speaker 3: You know, you have all these things that go on
Speaker 3: in your head. It's just like, you know, you have
Speaker 3: to tell yourself get up and go to work. It's
Speaker 3: a daily thing just to lean in and go. And honestly,
Speaker 3: God knows when to to give you those dividends. And
Speaker 3: I mentioned once before, but I'll mention it again because
Speaker 3: it was so profound to me. Like Steve said, we
Speaker 3: had many times. You know, we never talked to each
Speaker 3: other about it until just one day at that conference
Speaker 3: we just recently went to. But I had moments that
Speaker 3: I was like, man, i's got too much going on.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna have to quit. And Steve said the
Speaker 3: same thing himself. But we both I think made a
Speaker 3: choice in our brain that no, we're showing up to
Speaker 3: work today.
Speaker 1: No, we're leaning in.
Speaker 3: And at that conference we had this woman and man,
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it was so profound to me.
Speaker 1: It was a reassurance.
Speaker 3: It was God showing me, Hey, all those days you
Speaker 3: woke up and didn't feel like going to work and
Speaker 3: you did.
Speaker 1: This is why.
Speaker 3: But this woman comes to our table when we were
Speaker 3: set up selling shirts and stuff at this conference, and
Speaker 3: she's kind of shy, and we just thought she was shy,
Speaker 3: and she's just kind of meekly looking around, and we
Speaker 3: gave her some stickers and stuff and she just got
Speaker 3: out of there. And well, the next day she shows
Speaker 3: up and looks like she'd been crying. Her eyes are
Speaker 3: swelled and a little watery, and she's like, guys, I
Speaker 3: want to apologize for yesterday. And we were like, you
Speaker 3: know what for? And she was like, I was just
Speaker 3: so nervous yesterday. And she said, after listening to, you know,
Speaker 3: all these shows and reading these books and hearing hearing
Speaker 3: these speakers, and to actually be here in person, to
Speaker 3: you know, to listen to your heroes and the people
Speaker 3: that you look up to and listen to, it's just
Speaker 3: kind of surreal. And me and Steve, of course, when't
Speaker 3: even thinking of ourselves. We were thinking of La mar
Speaker 3: Zouli and Derek Gilbert and these big name guys in
Speaker 3: our head. And I made a comment. I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I said, Derek and La. You know all these guys
Speaker 3: they're they're great and they're down to earth people. Man,
Speaker 3: they'll talk to you. They're just great. We're we're even
Speaker 3: still like that to this day, even though we talked
Speaker 3: to them, you know, several times a year. It's still
Speaker 3: like the excited group you backstage at moments for us too.
Speaker 1: And then she said, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not talking about them, she said, I'm talking about you guys.
Speaker 1: And then she just started crying.
Speaker 3: Man, and I got up and I went around the
Speaker 3: table and I just hugged her, man, and she just
Speaker 3: cried on me, and she said, she said, I love
Speaker 3: you guys.
Speaker 1: She said, I listen to you guys all the time.
Speaker 1: She said, she sad.
Speaker 3: Just inspire me to read my Bible, and you bring
Speaker 3: me closer to God, and you've renewed my faith. And man,
Speaker 3: that was just a powerful moment for me. And she said,
Speaker 3: you guys are part of my family. She said, you
Speaker 3: do the laundry with me, you wash dishes with me,
Speaker 3: you come to my table at dinner, and we have
Speaker 3: discussed about you guys and what you're discussing in the
Speaker 3: topics you're talking about. And she said, I just wanted
Speaker 3: you guys to know that, and it was just like
Speaker 3: if nobody listened, and that one person listened, it made
Speaker 3: all the work worth It.
Speaker 2: Is beautiful, Amen.
Speaker 5: And we often get so wrapped up in all of
Speaker 5: our own things we forget that, Hey, other people are
Speaker 5: going through those things too, you know. And I'm glad
Speaker 5: you got a golden buzzer moment. I imagine that's what
Speaker 5: it felt like. Just boom and you see all the
Speaker 5: confetti and it's like, yeah, when you go through this war,
Speaker 5: you know, God is very gracious and who knows how
Speaker 5: long that we'll have to fight this war?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm I think about it a lot when I go
Speaker 5: through things in my life, different trials, different obstacles, and
Speaker 5: I'm probably even going to say the wrong book of
Speaker 5: the Bible that this is in. But you you guys,
Speaker 5: you guys definitely have the scripture Nerd audience. I don't
Speaker 5: know that Brian and I do, but you guys definitely do.
Speaker 5: But I think about I think it's an exodus. And
Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, you know, read it, find it.
Speaker 5: But you know. H yeah, I'm sure somebody somebody knows
Speaker 5: it better than I do, and that's fine. I'll still
Speaker 5: land the plane here. But you know, Moses was a
Speaker 5: lot of it. I just it's funny. I just had
Speaker 5: this brought up to me. I was I was actually
Speaker 5: with my father in law and he was he was
Speaker 5: just telling me. He was like, you know, you're like
Speaker 5: Moses for those forty years in the wilderness, you know,
Speaker 5: and you're not listening to God. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: that's not how it went. Moses was just leading a
Speaker 5: bunch of Israelites that wouldn't listen to God, and Moses
Speaker 5: got to pay for them being idiots. You know. So
Speaker 5: definitely didn't apply to me in that way, but it
Speaker 5: was profound he said it because it made me think
Speaker 5: about it. You know, Moses was headed toward the Promised
Speaker 5: Land for forty years in the wilderness, and you know,
Speaker 5: the Bible talks about the wilderness not really in a
Speaker 5: good way, right, Like, the wilderness is where we go.
Speaker 5: That's where Jesus went to be tempted by Satan and
Speaker 5: the Holy Spirit let him there, and that's where Moses
Speaker 5: and the Israelites they were going through the wilderness forty days,
Speaker 5: you know, or forty years, sorry, not forty days, forty years.
Speaker 5: They're going through this, and you know, Moses is headed
Speaker 5: toward the Promised Land, and we're all headed toward the
Speaker 5: Promised Land for sure. So we are like Moses in
Speaker 5: that way, but in the Bible. And you guys correct
Speaker 5: me if I'm I don't know that, I do want
Speaker 5: you to correct me. I think maybe I'm okay with
Speaker 5: living and being wrong about this because it's just I
Speaker 5: think about it so often. But Moses never got to
Speaker 5: step foot on the Promised Land. He only got to
Speaker 5: see it. And you know, God walked him to the
Speaker 5: top of that mountain, all the way from the lowest valley.
Speaker 5: He put him at the top of the mountain, and
Speaker 5: he got to see the Promised Land. He got to
Speaker 5: see the israel Lites go ahead and walk on to it,
Speaker 5: you know, before he passed, you know, his time here
Speaker 5: on Earth was passed. And I think that's what we
Speaker 5: have to keep our sights set on, is that no
Speaker 5: matter what is going on in our lives there, God
Speaker 5: has made us a promise, and no matter what, we
Speaker 5: have to continue to walk toward the Promised land, And
Speaker 5: we can't get upset when our prayers aren't answered and
Speaker 5: when God says no, and when we've went for forty
Speaker 5: years or forty days or forty minutes. It's different for everybody.
Speaker 5: When we lose our patience, we can't get upset that
Speaker 5: if all we get to do is look at the
Speaker 5: Promised Land and see everybody that God spoke to through
Speaker 5: us or through our actions or whatever we did, that
Speaker 5: they all got to go and we only got to
Speaker 5: see it. Because even if we just got to see
Speaker 5: the Promised Land, wouldn't that be worth those forty years
Speaker 5: out in the wilderness? And I'm sure, and I'll ask
Speaker 5: Moses one day, was it worth it? And you know,
Speaker 5: I think very similarly to what you just said, justin
Speaker 5: I think it'll be worth it. I think you come
Speaker 5: to a place in life. And it took me a
Speaker 5: long time to get here where I realized that me
Speaker 5: I don't matter. I just don't matter. But if I
Speaker 5: will allow God to work through me, that matters. And
Speaker 5: to be able to give somebody some hope and to
Speaker 5: be without fail. When I've given somebody some hope, my
Speaker 5: hope was restored. When I've given somebody some strength. My
Speaker 5: strength was restored. You know, when I've given somebody some truth,
Speaker 5: they've gave me some truth back. It's without failure. So
Speaker 5: it sounds really easy, you know that it's better to
Speaker 5: give than to receive, But truly it is, you know,
Speaker 5: because we're only here for a little while, and everybody
Speaker 5: has a different expiration date and the biggest thing that
Speaker 5: you could ever do with your life, the biggest call
Speaker 5: that you could ever answer, and I think it's what
Speaker 5: God caused us all to do. Point somebody towards the
Speaker 5: promised land, show him who's there, you know, and do
Speaker 5: that at whatever capacity that you're able to in that moment.
Speaker 5: You know. I know, Brian mentors a lot of people.
Speaker 5: I have times where I'm mentoring people and you just
Speaker 5: have to give them the direction. And there's no better
Speaker 5: feeling in the world when they start walking that way
Speaker 5: and when you get to see God give them those
Speaker 5: little prizes along the way, those treasures along the way,
Speaker 5: and then you go on to watch those people and
Speaker 5: you know, I know, eventually in my life, you know,
Speaker 5: and even with Brian and our conversations have changed drastically
Speaker 5: throughout the years. You know, when we first started talking.
Speaker 5: Brian has been a pillar of strength for me when
Speaker 5: I didn't know what else to do, you know, where
Speaker 5: I didn't know where else to go. I was watching Brian,
Speaker 5: and I was watching Brian when he didn't know that
Speaker 5: I was. And I watched Brian go through trials and tribulations.
Speaker 5: And I've even told him before, Bro, you're are you
Speaker 5: have you check? You're all lately you're a robot, bro
Speaker 5: Like you just keep going and keep going and keep going.
Speaker 5: And our conversations have shifted, and you know, it's been
Speaker 5: rewarding for me on one end of my end to say, like, well,
Speaker 5: I'm glad that Brian and I can finally have conversations
Speaker 5: to where it's just like I'm not on the phone
Speaker 5: completely losing my mind trying to figure out where I'm
Speaker 5: supposed to go, and then we can have these conversations
Speaker 5: together about how to you know, point other people in
Speaker 5: that direction. And you know, I'm sure for him, you know,
Speaker 5: it's rewarding when you see somebody go that way. And
Speaker 5: you know, we had a Brian and I got to
Speaker 5: just baptize one of our closest friends, you know, and
Speaker 5: just to see that, I mean, he gives us the
Speaker 5: accolades for everything. I mean, every time I see this guy,
Speaker 5: shout out Chris because he'll listen to it. He calls
Speaker 5: me if I'm not uploaded enough. You know, every time
Speaker 5: I see this guy, he just talks to me like
Speaker 5: I am the coolest thing, the coolest person in the world.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: He makes me feel like that, And I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: all I've ever done is answer the phone. That's all
Speaker 5: I've ever done is answer the phone and tell him
Speaker 5: the truth about stuff. But we just don't realize what
Speaker 5: an impact that we make in other people's lives. And
Speaker 5: you know, you guys, I'm glad that somebody told you.
Speaker 5: But there's there's a million more people that feel that
Speaker 5: way about you. Guys. I'm one of them, you know.
Speaker 5: I watch how you got. You know, I live in
Speaker 5: the same town as you, guys. I get to watch
Speaker 5: what you guys go through, justin I've watched you go
Speaker 5: from somebody so green behind a camera that had no
Speaker 5: idea what they were doing with any of this stuff.
Speaker 5: And I've watched you just work and work and work
Speaker 5: and work and work. I continue to see it. That
Speaker 5: makes me want to work harder. I remember there was
Speaker 5: a time with these cameras and stuff that I ain't
Speaker 5: know what I shot everything. I'd send Brian stuff, he'd
Speaker 5: be like, wrong frame rate. I'm like God, I go
Speaker 5: back out hungry, and you know you, there's times where
Speaker 5: you lose that along the way, and you know so,
Speaker 5: I've seen you do stuff and just jump out of
Speaker 5: the woodwork and be like, okay, well yeah, it build
Speaker 5: a fire back up underneath me, and you didn't have
Speaker 5: to have a conversation with me. I watched your walk
Speaker 5: and you know, Steve, and I watched you. I've watched
Speaker 5: you work through things where you're you know you, sometimes
Speaker 5: you a little bit of a Dubton Thomas. You know this,
Speaker 5: And I watch you just defeat that and defeat that
Speaker 5: and defeat that, and you know what, sometimes I'm a
Speaker 5: little bit of a Doubton Thomas. And then I, without failure,
Speaker 5: here comes Steven. Give me a phone call. He's so
Speaker 5: wired up, he's ready to choke me out if I
Speaker 5: won't take a compliment or do this, or do it
Speaker 5: sparks that flame backup in me in times where neither
Speaker 5: one of you guys had known it. None of you guys,
Speaker 5: you call and you say these things, and it wasn't
Speaker 5: your words that picked me back up. It was your walk.
Speaker 5: And y'all have picked me up out of some valleys,
Speaker 5: you know. And just the same with me, just the
Speaker 5: same with Brian, just the same with all of us.
Speaker 5: It's none of us are special, you know, but there's
Speaker 5: we're all called to preach. All of us have spiritual gifts,
Speaker 5: and we preach in different ways. And there's somebody watching
Speaker 5: you right now. We talk about that a ton on
Speaker 5: our show. Somebody's watching everything that you do right now,
Speaker 5: and you're deciding whether or not God is good to them.
Speaker 5: And so I just applaud you guys for your walk,
Speaker 5: you know, and keep doing just that. And Brian, you're
Speaker 5: included in that. Your walk is in my opinion, unmatched.
Speaker 5: I still don't. I still think you got to check
Speaker 5: that old that transmission fluid. Whatever is going on. You're
Speaker 5: just on it every day. And I think about all
Speaker 5: of you guys almost on a daily basis where I'm like,
Speaker 5: man like, I don't know how they're doing it, but
Speaker 5: it makes me want to do it more.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 6: I don't think it can make sense for any one
Speaker 6: of us. And I mean that because if if we
Speaker 6: really tried to look at everything we do. There's so
Speaker 6: many things that we ourselves have no idea how we
Speaker 6: did it.
Speaker 2: It's just God. It's just God.
Speaker 6: So I don't try to understand, and I think that
Speaker 6: we all do. And I appreciate the kind words, but again,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do it anyways. I don't care.
Speaker 2: It's my turn talk. Let me talk, man. We just we're.
Speaker 6: All doing it because we're all right here. We've all
Speaker 6: it's it's in the evening time. We could go relax
Speaker 6: and chill, but here we are, you know, for a
Speaker 6: couple of hours doing what we need to do. Listen, boys,
Speaker 6: I'm tired, man. I just got back from Orlando last night.
Speaker 6: I have been on every side. I feel like in
Speaker 6: East Tennessee, or was down the sweet Water, North City, Jacksboro,
Speaker 6: back to Herriman, to Knoxville, and did all kinds of shoots.
Speaker 6: And I'm tired right now. But I'm here, and you know,
Speaker 6: I can't explain where the energy comes from.
Speaker 2: You know, I just know it's God.
Speaker 6: I just know I keep my conversation going with him,
Speaker 6: just like you have all done when you're in those
Speaker 6: moments and the reception of it that is cool, But
Speaker 6: you know, I just want God to have that glory
Speaker 6: because it's only because of Him that we're able to
Speaker 6: do it. But we're all capable of that, and you know,
Speaker 6: the more that people can witness that great I want that.
Speaker 6: I want to see everybody be aware of what God
Speaker 6: is capable for themselves, because it's a lonely, desolate life
Speaker 6: without God. But you know, if people can just get
Speaker 6: in their their head that He didn't like Christ didn't
Speaker 6: die for perfect people. He died for us, messed up, stupid,
Speaker 6: ignorant sinners, you know, So thinking that church is just
Speaker 6: full of all these upity people, Hey, listen, some of
Speaker 6: them are, and definitely some is I been talking about. Eh,
Speaker 6: you go with the hymn book opinions, Hey, straight up, man, But.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm just throwing her name out there.
Speaker 6: Actually does playing, you know, end of the day, you know,
Speaker 6: stop worrying about the perception of these people, because I mean,
Speaker 6: you guys touched on it earlier. Can't tell you how
Speaker 6: many people I know that say they don't go to
Speaker 6: church because of somebody else in that church. I just like, well,
Speaker 6: you know there's other churches, right, you don't got to
Speaker 6: go back to the same one that they're at. You're
Speaker 6: actually more than welcome to go to anybody. You come
Speaker 6: to my church, they ain't there, you know. So we
Speaker 6: have a limitless amount of excuses. But let us not
Speaker 6: focus on being perfect. I'm just I'm not going to
Speaker 6: be Jesus. My goal with helping others is not to
Speaker 6: just be praised and and be considered to be Gus.
Speaker 6: I'm not the alphab nor to Megan, I'm not none
Speaker 6: of that. I'm Brian. I'm trying to do the work
Speaker 6: that I need to. I'm trying to do the work
Speaker 6: that I would want somebody to be able to do
Speaker 6: for me, you know, And like I know that we're
Speaker 6: all doing that because just like you were talking about
Speaker 6: just when that lady came to the table to talk
Speaker 6: to you about that, like you're with her and I
Speaker 6: don't even realize that a lot of the time and
Speaker 6: stuff that I do that, you know, like he's talking
Speaker 6: about Chris, I love that dude. He calls us up man,
Speaker 6: Like I'm sure Sean's had a million times he's like,
Speaker 6: I remember when you said this and then I started
Speaker 6: doing and it.
Speaker 4: Just was man, it was great.
Speaker 2: I'm like, cool, Bud, I didn't think much of it,
Speaker 2: you know, but cool. I'm happy for you, man.
Speaker 6: But like you know, we just may not think about
Speaker 6: it as much because we're wrapped up and doing the work,
Speaker 6: and we just stay focused on that work, everything else
Speaker 6: will fall on. And it's like you said again too,
Speaker 6: justin just each of his one person that makes it
Speaker 6: completely worth it.
Speaker 2: I know, when I gotta go.
Speaker 6: And talk about what I did here, I'm going to
Speaker 6: know that that's on that list. All the other dumb
Speaker 6: stuffs on that list too, though, but uh, you know,
Speaker 6: I got that one.
Speaker 4: I think you got to look at this if you
Speaker 4: look at kind of what everybody's just talked about here
Speaker 4: in the past little little bit is we see that
Speaker 4: how we act, how we respond to situations, affects people
Speaker 4: around us. Like I look at each of you guys,
Speaker 4: and there's times when it's been a word, something you've said,
Speaker 4: something you've you know, directly told me that has made
Speaker 4: a difference. But there's so many other times, and I
Speaker 4: would say a lot more times that I see something
Speaker 4: in your walk, I see something in the way that
Speaker 4: you handle a situation. I see something I see God
Speaker 4: come through you. That's the whole point. You know, we're
Speaker 4: imagers of God. We're supposed to show God at you know,
Speaker 4: christ like in everything we do. And when I see
Speaker 4: that in people with their walk, how they present themselves,
Speaker 4: how they how they you know, just come off to
Speaker 4: people around them. I see that in you, guys, and
Speaker 4: it makes a huge difference. And that's something that I
Speaker 4: think we all, I mean, we all fall short. Like
Speaker 4: you said, we're not Jesus. Like you said, Brian, we're
Speaker 4: not Jesus. But our whole goal is to be as
Speaker 4: close to that as we possibly can. We don't want
Speaker 4: to ever have our actions or something we do, or
Speaker 4: the way that someone perceives us pull them away from
Speaker 4: Christ pull them away from God. You know, we always
Speaker 4: want to be able to tell people this is you know,
Speaker 4: this is you know, they look at you in a
Speaker 4: certain way and they see, man, why what's different? Why
Speaker 4: you know? What do you have that I don't. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's the whole point, right, is that you want people
Speaker 4: to see something different in you. And that's something different
Speaker 4: is that you have g just living inside you. That
Speaker 4: it it literally is something that can physically see in you.
Speaker 4: That's the whole point and you say, you know, you
Speaker 4: you talked about it justin which just that that girl.
Speaker 4: We meant at the conference you, I mean, you guys
Speaker 4: talk about how we do it for each other. I
Speaker 4: had a story I told I've told this before, but
Speaker 4: I had a person one time. I work in the
Speaker 4: medical field and I was working with I didn't work
Speaker 4: with this actual patient, but this patient was just in
Speaker 4: the hallway and I just one day stopped by and
Speaker 4: just said, Hey, how you doing. And the person, you know,
Speaker 4: just like what we would all say, even though we're
Speaker 4: eating up on the inside. We said, oh, we're doing great,
Speaker 4: We're fine, blah blah blah. That's what we all say,
Speaker 4: right that. I know, you love that I'm fine thing, Sean.
Speaker 4: But you know the person, the person says, but this
Speaker 4: this lady, she says, oh, I'm fine, And you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, that's that's that's great. I'm glad
Speaker 4: you're doing okay. But this person, I didn't realize the
Speaker 4: time was as down and out as they could come.
Speaker 4: You know, they had just gotten to this facility. They
Speaker 4: were going through something. They didn't know how long they
Speaker 4: were going to be. I mean, they were you know,
Speaker 4: at the pits of despair for lack of a better word.
Speaker 4: They were down about three weeks later. And I never
Speaker 4: worked with this person. But three weeks later they were
Speaker 4: getting ready to go home. That same person stops me
Speaker 4: in the hallway and they say, hey, do you remember
Speaker 4: three weeks ago when you said hi to me in
Speaker 4: the hallway? And I'm like, I mean vaguely maybe, Well,
Speaker 4: she says, She looks at me and she goes, you know,
Speaker 4: that's the one thing that got me through all this,
Speaker 4: just a smile and asking me how I'm doing. How
Speaker 4: simple is that for us to do? For people? Talk
Speaker 4: to people that you see on the street, say hi
Speaker 4: to people, wave, shake hands, kiss babies, be out there,
Speaker 4: show Christ and everything.
Speaker 1: That you do that sounds residential.
Speaker 4: Well this is, I mean, it's just the truth.
Speaker 1: Listen watching bullets?
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you got my vote? Though?
Speaker 4: I'll tell you I think that's what.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about that earlier when he said the
Speaker 5: dodgeball reference.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was registering here too.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I feel like that's how God plays dodgeball. If
Speaker 5: you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball. Smack.
Speaker 5: You know, Like there's a couple of teeth busted out.
Speaker 4: Six.
Speaker 1: That's not necessary. Is it necessary to drink my own urine? No?
Speaker 1: But it's sanitary and I like the taste.
Speaker 5: That's the game most of us are playing, just for
Speaker 5: a bunch of ridiculous comments.
Speaker 4: Actually, movie, just so everybody knows, that's not actually Justin
Speaker 4: in my you don't know, that's true. That's true, that's true.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna leave that one alone.
Speaker 5: Though, I've never I'll say it like this, I've never
Speaker 5: seen a jugg of you'urine and Justin in the same place.
Speaker 5: So there's something to be said now. But that's I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean, that's really powerful.
Speaker 2: Justin.
Speaker 5: You know that you brought that story up because and
Speaker 5: I'll speak to you specifically right here, because I relate
Speaker 5: so much, you know, and Steve, Steve gave you the
Speaker 5: flowers of you know, you're the producer of this show,
Speaker 5: and The Dig's not the only show that you're involved with.
Speaker 5: You have Prometheus Lenz, which is also another incredible show.
Speaker 5: And boy, oh boy, dude, Brian and I know what
Speaker 5: it's like to sit up in that editing space all
Speaker 5: by yourself for hours and hours and hours and you
Speaker 5: work on something and you pour every bit of what
Speaker 5: you have into it and then you put it out
Speaker 5: and people are like, that's pretty cool, and they just
Speaker 5: keep up, you know. So God is very gracious in
Speaker 5: those moments where he lets us see like it's not
Speaker 5: all for nothing. It's not all for nothing, and we
Speaker 5: get those reminders, you know, And I think it's important
Speaker 5: to know that he doesn't, you know, with prayer and stuff.
Speaker 5: He's definitely not going to give it to you all
Speaker 5: at one time. I mean, I just don't know anybody
Speaker 5: in the Bible or in my real life that got
Speaker 5: it all at one time except for Jesus. Jesus got
Speaker 5: it all at one time. He is God, you know,
Speaker 5: and that I would imagine God gives it to himself,
Speaker 5: you know, all the way, all the time, because that's
Speaker 5: what God does. The rest of us we need those
Speaker 5: we need those signs along the way that you're headed
Speaker 5: in the right direction. You know, you have to keep
Speaker 5: on walking, and every now and then you'll run across
Speaker 5: the sign that says this way. You're like, yes, I
Speaker 5: am going in the right direction, and you know I
Speaker 5: can't that lady. I hope that she hears this podcast
Speaker 5: because I know for a fact, because I've had those
Speaker 5: moments in my life. She changed your life forever, and
Speaker 5: all the while she thought that you changed hers. That's
Speaker 5: what's really hilarious about this is because we don't know,
Speaker 5: you know. We think that other people look at us
Speaker 5: and they're like, oh man, you're doing so good, and
Speaker 5: we think completely different. It's like, no, I'm doing I'm
Speaker 5: doing really really bad. If you only knew how bad
Speaker 5: I was actually doing, you wouldn't let that leave your.
Speaker 1: Mouth hanging on by a thread over here.
Speaker 5: And then somebody comes along and changes your entire life,
Speaker 5: you know, and they don't even know it, you know.
Speaker 5: So I hope that she hears this. I hope it's
Speaker 5: a full circle moment for the both of you, that
Speaker 5: she knows that she changed your guys' life forever. You know,
Speaker 5: there won't ever be a day that you guys aren't
Speaker 5: alive that you don't think about it. And those moments
Speaker 5: are super important, and you don't get those moments by
Speaker 5: sitting still. You don't get those moments by just you know,
Speaker 5: I always say like, I wish I could pray, you know,
Speaker 5: when people just say I'm going to pray on it
Speaker 5: I'm gonna pray on it. I'm thinking, man, if I
Speaker 5: could just pray on how to get this mortgage paid,
Speaker 5: whether there be a check in my mailbox, there just
Speaker 5: won't be. You know, now, I have had moments where
Speaker 5: I needed financial support far beyond how I knew that
Speaker 5: I was going to get it, and when I stepped in,
Speaker 5: faith boomed. There they are. I had to step first.
Speaker 5: You know, the camera that you're seeing come out this
Speaker 5: as a product of me taking a step. And if
Speaker 5: I'd have took this step two years before I took it,
Speaker 5: I'd have had a camera right then too, you know,
Speaker 5: because I had a direction, I felt something pulling at me,
Speaker 5: and you know, you just kind of we stifle those
Speaker 5: things down like it can't happen. And I had talks
Speaker 5: with both of you guys, I mean, y'all know, I mean,
Speaker 5: from the first time that I encountered your podcast, I've
Speaker 5: been trying to get both y'all to quit your jobs.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, if you guys will just do it,
Speaker 5: you'll laugh because you'll see that it all just works out.
Speaker 5: And Brian did that to me for like, I don't
Speaker 5: know how many times he texted me walk out that hole.
Speaker 5: I mean it was for years, every single day, walk
Speaker 5: out that hole and I'd be like, bro, I gotta
Speaker 5: have insurance walk out, man, I'm gonna have somebody walk out. Man,
Speaker 5: I gonna walk out. And it wasn't until I walked
Speaker 5: out that boom. Life changed forever. And here we are,
Speaker 5: you know, in business five six years later. And I
Speaker 5: had no idea how to do it when I walked out,
Speaker 5: and I have no idea how I'm doing it now.
Speaker 5: All I know is God keeps making a way for
Speaker 5: me to do it. And that's that's what I need
Speaker 5: to show up and do. Is just wake up and
Speaker 5: go do it, whether you feel like doing it, whether
Speaker 5: you don't feel like doing it, whether you know. And
Speaker 5: the most important thing is is like, dude, for so long,
Speaker 5: I didn't take a step toward christ because I didn't
Speaker 5: know how to do it. I didn't know how to
Speaker 5: be a Christian. And everything that I had heard sounded
Speaker 5: like way more than I could accomplish. And guess what
Speaker 5: it's because it is it was already accomplished. It was
Speaker 5: accomplished at Cavalry. There was nothing that I could conjure
Speaker 5: up or do, or come up with or walk, or
Speaker 5: anything that I could do that could accomplish what had
Speaker 5: already been accomplished, what was already there for me, what
Speaker 5: was already mine. That's the promise. So you know, we
Speaker 5: sit around and well I don't know how to do.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. It's already been paid. You're paid in full.
Speaker 5: Just start walking because now your walk is going to
Speaker 5: further accomplish that for someone else. It's eternal, It lives.
Speaker 5: That's why the word lives. That's why Jesus is alive
Speaker 5: and living. I see it every I see him, every day,
Speaker 5: I see God do stuff. It was a mirror. I
Speaker 5: don't care what you say, if you were inside my
Speaker 5: head today, it's a miracle that I'm sitting in this
Speaker 5: seat right now. I didn't want to get up out
Speaker 5: of my bed. That's a miracle. And I taketed our
Speaker 5: pastor and told him it was a miracle because they're
Speaker 5: still happening. We just want to downplay what God's doing
Speaker 5: and we you know, it's we want to look around,
Speaker 5: and you know, the Bible shows all these crazy things
Speaker 5: that we think can't happen. They happen every single day.
Speaker 5: God brings people back to life every single day. He
Speaker 5: has revived me from being totally in the pits of
Speaker 5: death more than one time. I've seen it happen. I've
Speaker 5: seen it happen in your guys's life. It happens every
Speaker 5: single day. But if you're trying to figure out how
Speaker 5: to do something, you're already lost. Nothing you can do,
Speaker 5: you know, but show up. God will do the rest.
Speaker 5: If you show up every single time. You know, not
Speaker 5: one of you guys can say anything different. If you do,
Speaker 5: I'll argue with you until my camera battery dies. Hold on,
Speaker 5: it ain't gonna die. It's plugged.
Speaker 4: We got till Sunday.
Speaker 5: Right, I got time, I got hard drives like you
Speaker 5: wouldn't believe.
Speaker 2: Got time.
Speaker 5: I ain't arguing with you, and I'll tell you know,
Speaker 5: don't confuse fellowship with friends that agree with everything that
Speaker 5: you say. Those aren't your friends. If your circle of
Speaker 5: people around you never just boy. I mean, Brian's literal
Speaker 5: name on Riverside is Brillo because I started calling Brello
Speaker 5: pad boy. Yeah, it's just if all your friends.
Speaker 1: Are quias, you need a new circle of friends.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, fellowshipping is not coming together with a
Speaker 5: bunch of people that agree with you. If you want
Speaker 5: to do that, get on Facebook. It's a whole different
Speaker 5: f word. Fellowship and Facebook are different, and neither one
Speaker 5: are your real friends. You know, if they agree with
Speaker 5: everything that you have to say more than a handful
Speaker 5: of times. Man, I've hung up the phone with Brian
Speaker 5: and I look like Kevin Hart when his mom just
Speaker 5: whipped him in front of his friends. Will you go
Speaker 5: through to me? Look up from my friend. I'm packing up,
Speaker 5: I'm believing I'm going, you know. And he never did
Speaker 5: any of that, just because he's like, man, I can't
Speaker 5: wait to pischean off today, like I can't wait to
Speaker 5: do it. But he's done it. Well, maybe he's been
Speaker 5: a few times. He's fleshy too, you know, so maybe
Speaker 5: he did. But maybe either way it worked. You know,
Speaker 5: you're going to run across people in your life, and
Speaker 5: those are the most I don't care how they make
Speaker 5: you feel. Boy, if they're if and listen, If they
Speaker 5: disagree with everything you say and they give you advice
Speaker 5: and you see him doing something totally different, those aren't
Speaker 5: your friends either. But the ones that walk it like
Speaker 5: they talk it, and they tell you how it is
Speaker 5: despite of your mental state. Despite of how depressed you are,
Speaker 5: despite of how sad or mad or happy you are.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's also been times, man. I remember one
Speaker 5: time I caught Brian. I had the biggest retainer client ever.
Speaker 5: I might celebrating in my head that I'm going to
Speaker 5: land in this thing. He's like, Nah, that's not enough,
Speaker 5: You're not charging enough. And I'm like, what, Like, I
Speaker 5: worked so hard to bring that number. But because he
Speaker 5: challenged me, guess who come out with a bigger number?
Speaker 5: I did because I considered it. I considered that he's
Speaker 5: seen something I couldn't see because I was emotional, you know,
Speaker 5: And he didn't let me settle for what my emotions
Speaker 5: were telling me. He just told me the truth. And
Speaker 5: you know why he's able to tell me the truth,
Speaker 5: because that man brings big numbers. So I'm gonna listen,
Speaker 5: you know, So don't crowd you know. And Stephen, you
Speaker 5: do that to me justin me, and you have done that.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 5: I would rather disagree until I'm blue in the face.
Speaker 5: If we can get to a point where we all
Speaker 5: agree that's what it is right. We all agree that
Speaker 5: Jesus is worth us taking this walk. We all agree
Speaker 5: on that. So everything else we disagree with after that
Speaker 5: sweep out on the rug, it don't matter. We'll get
Speaker 5: somewhere on that. We all have the same goal, the
Speaker 5: same vision, the same place. We're all headed towards the
Speaker 5: promised Land. But I promise you, you know that's toxic.
Speaker 5: You know there's gonna be some people that listen to
Speaker 5: this right now, and I hope I challenge you on
Speaker 5: your circle of people. Look around. If the people that
Speaker 5: you talk to every day don't get you, like that
Speaker 5: Kevin Hart scene where you're just packing up your stuff
Speaker 5: and you're running away, maybe so mad. It's not the
Speaker 5: right people. It's not the right people. They're not telling
Speaker 5: you the truth. You are screwing up somewhere in your life.
Speaker 5: You could be doing something better. Somewhere in your life.
Speaker 5: There is a decision that you do need to make.
Speaker 5: There is something hard that you need to go do, period.
Speaker 5: And if the people around you aren't telling you those things,
Speaker 5: they don't care about you, And you know what, you
Speaker 5: might need to turn around and start being that friend
Speaker 5: of embrace and tell them they don't care about you,
Speaker 5: because you'll figure out when I'm like that with people,
Speaker 5: it's when I don't care about myself. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: letting myself have those allowances. But boy, if I talk
Speaker 5: to one of y'all and I call you on something,
Speaker 5: I check you on something, best believe I'm only doing
Speaker 5: it because I already had to check myself. That's why
Speaker 5: I'm doing it, you know. So don't get fellowship confused
Speaker 5: with the thing that we do inside church, right, Like,
Speaker 5: y'all ever went to church and you know pastor cause
Speaker 5: for fellowship time? Do you ever run into somebody that's
Speaker 5: just like if things have been real, real bad, everything's horrible. No,
Speaker 5: everybody's smiling. They just got their belly full of donuts
Speaker 5: and free coffee and we're shaking hands and everything is
Speaker 5: all good in the world. That's a lie. That's not
Speaker 5: the right type of fellowship. When you can sit down
Speaker 5: like this and you can have a talk and people
Speaker 5: can be honest and open and hey, I'm broke. I'm broke,
Speaker 5: too cool, let's figure out how to let's figure out
Speaker 5: how to piece ourselves back together and hold each other
Speaker 5: a caountle. There's something real, real special in that, and
Speaker 5: you know we've gotten to see it. I've gotten to
Speaker 5: see it a lot in my business walk with Brian,
Speaker 5: and the whole time I thought this man was teaching
Speaker 5: me business and he was just teaching me how to
Speaker 5: walk with the Lord. Because if God hadn't put someone
Speaker 5: like him, that would be abrasive with me. Because listen,
Speaker 5: I'm as hard headed as hard at y'all mean concrete
Speaker 5: up here. And God put somebody in my life that
Speaker 5: would challenge me like that, and that I had enough
Speaker 5: respect for that I would submit to that. And because
Speaker 5: he helped me develop and hone that skill. Boy, if
Speaker 5: you can't submit to the idea that you might be
Speaker 5: an idiot, the walk with the Lord is gonna be
Speaker 5: fun for you for a little while.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: If you can't, if you can't practice submission and you
Speaker 5: can't practice you know, different viewpoints of things, this gospel
Speaker 5: is gonna.
Speaker 1: Be hard humility.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, bro, I'm telling you. It's just I've
Speaker 5: sent him some videos some of the things I thought
Speaker 5: were the best in the world, literally, and he'd be like, uh,
Speaker 5: frame rate's wrong. I go back and look at it, shattered,
Speaker 5: But you know what, I ain't missed that frame rate again. Yeah, well,
Speaker 5: just the white balance, but the white balance is even
Speaker 5: set right now as you guys, you know, orange is
Speaker 5: going on back here. But it's you know, the there's
Speaker 5: just a whole lot that you know, as we talk
Speaker 5: about our shows and we talk about our walks, and
Speaker 5: you know, we discuss all of these things, it's just
Speaker 5: so so important that what we do pay attention to
Speaker 5: is the picture that we're painting for people. And we
Speaker 5: don't need to paint the mona lise and be like,
Speaker 5: look at how pretty all the while behind behind the monalyse.
Speaker 5: So there's it's just fake you know, jump off of
Speaker 5: social media, jump off, you know, jump off all that stuff.
Speaker 5: Have a real conversation with somebody, you know, go and
Speaker 5: you know, just like you said, Steve, go talk to
Speaker 5: that person, say hello, say good morning. So many cool
Speaker 5: conversations out there to be had. But you can't go
Speaker 5: in reserved, and you can't go in thinking that you're
Speaker 5: not wrong, you know those when you go in with
Speaker 5: that attitude like it or not. If you're somebody that's
Speaker 5: listening right now, if that's how you if you feel
Speaker 5: like you're so far along in your walk right now
Speaker 5: that you're in a higher position than anybody else that
Speaker 5: you're sitting in that building with You're part of the problem.
Speaker 5: You're part of the reason that somebody is saying, well,
Speaker 5: I don't go to church because all the hypocrites they're
Speaker 5: not just talking, they're not talking.
Speaker 3: An intellectual level too. So I see that a lot
Speaker 3: in this space. It's like people read and learn all
Speaker 3: this stuff and acquire all this knowledge, and they get
Speaker 3: so pompous in their you know, their view of themselves,
Speaker 3: and they'll get in discussions and arguments with people on
Speaker 3: Facebook and they won't even listen to what anybody has
Speaker 3: to say because they have it all figured out. And
Speaker 3: it's like, man, no, you know, we all have pieces
Speaker 3: of the puzzle and we need to listen to each
Speaker 3: other and take pieces from everybody and put this mosaic,
Speaker 3: you know, full life picture together because nobody's got it
Speaker 3: all figured out. You know, like Brian said earlier, if
Speaker 3: you find that guy that says he's got it all
Speaker 3: figured out, you know, as I run from those.
Speaker 5: People, get the powder out. Well, you know, it's and
Speaker 5: you guys have experienced that real life thing justin I
Speaker 5: can't tell you, and it's your fault that I see it,
Speaker 5: but it's fine. I can't tell you how many times
Speaker 5: somebody has criticized your show because you smoke cigarettes. Yes,
Speaker 5: completely discount and discredit the amount of time and work
Speaker 5: and study and just I mean, get all that out
Speaker 5: of the way, the life experience that you've went through.
Speaker 5: They literally have to set their beer down to type
Speaker 5: their comment about you smoking cigarettes. That's a part of
Speaker 5: the problem, you know. It's not just hypocritical to oh, well,
Speaker 5: they leave church and they say cuss words, they leave church,
Speaker 5: and they do this, they leave church. It's it's not
Speaker 5: about that. It's that they have to sit next to
Speaker 5: somebody that makes them feel less than when when we
Speaker 5: get in front of Jesus, we're all nothing. So it's
Speaker 5: a level playing ground. Nobody is better than anybody. And
Speaker 5: you don't have it any more figured out than I do.
Speaker 5: And if you know, I would challenge anybody you want
Speaker 5: to have that conversation with me, give me like thirty
Speaker 5: minutes on the phone with you. Give me, let me
Speaker 5: have like five backs questions, and I'll show you that
Speaker 5: you don't have it figured out. I do it with anybody,
Speaker 5: you know, and we can't be a part of that problem,
Speaker 5: you know, myself included, you know. So just so everybody
Speaker 5: I don't feel like I don't belong in that camp.
Speaker 5: I most definitely do. And when I first found the
Speaker 5: Lord Son, I bet I did that to everybody. I mean,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, yeah, it's because you're not reading
Speaker 5: your Bible a haha. But I read mine in an
Speaker 5: hour a day. What are you talking about. I'm still
Speaker 5: a piece of crap, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 5: past forward, all these years, I'm still struggling. I'm still
Speaker 5: going through it, still hitting my head on the same
Speaker 5: walls I've been running into for months years. You know,
Speaker 5: we don't have it figured out. I don't want to
Speaker 5: do that, but I know the guy that has it
Speaker 5: figured out. I serve the god that's got it figured out.
Speaker 5: I serve the god that has never ever missed, He's
Speaker 5: never ever failed, he's never done any of that. It's
Speaker 5: always us that think that, oh, well, we have it
Speaker 5: so much more figure And we do that because we
Speaker 5: don't get what we want. We're a bunch of spoiled brats.
Speaker 5: And that's just it, myself included, you know, So anybody listening,
Speaker 5: you know, don't be a part of that problem.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: Like I cannot tell you, guys how much it meant
Speaker 5: to me that, and it's one of your ex podcasts. Me,
Speaker 5: it's so crazy how everything's so intertwined. You know how
Speaker 5: much it meant to me to have a friend that
Speaker 5: just walked me down the aisle at church when I
Speaker 5: didn't feel I felt like when I step in there,
Speaker 5: I'm going to bust into flames, you know. And I
Speaker 5: can't tell you how much it meant to me. When
Speaker 5: the pastor gave me a key to the church. I
Speaker 5: think I even told you about that. I was like, holy,
Speaker 5: me me because I had to break I later found
Speaker 5: out everybody had the code for the key at the church.
Speaker 5: It wasn't just me. It made me feel special at
Speaker 5: the time, but I didn't have it figured out that like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're all the same. We're all the same, and we're
Speaker 5: all broken and we're all struggling and we're all going
Speaker 5: through it. So when you get there, you know, don't
Speaker 5: feel so special in that, and definitely don't hold it
Speaker 5: back because the darkness that you feel can be the
Speaker 5: light that pulls somebody else out of theirs. So when
Speaker 5: you go to the valley, remember that God said, come
Speaker 5: to the valley and I'll speak to you there. When
Speaker 5: you go there, you're not going to be captured by
Speaker 5: that darkness. It's already. There's nothing you could do to
Speaker 5: pull yourself from that point except for go back to
Speaker 5: the feet of Jesus. If you can make it back there.
Speaker 5: I don't care if you have to crawl. I don't
Speaker 5: care if you're bleeding. I don't care if you're a quadrantplegic,
Speaker 5: like Brian said, and you have to roll your way
Speaker 5: all the way to Calvary, you better get there. You
Speaker 5: better get there because that's going to be the only
Speaker 5: place that you have any piece. You'll figure out that
Speaker 5: it's a level playing ground. You'll learn humility, you'll learn patience,
Speaker 5: you'll learn all that. You know. When I have to
Speaker 5: learn how to be patient, it's because I've been so
Speaker 5: unpatient with somebody and I'm eaten crow from it. Now
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be a little bit more patient when I'm
Speaker 5: not being humble at all. Brian puts a video out
Speaker 5: on Instagram so fired, and I'm like, Okay, let me
Speaker 5: get back to work. You don't got to figure it
Speaker 5: out at all. You will. I barely even know how
Speaker 5: to turn this thing on. Next to that, you know,
Speaker 5: when I see you guys. And I'm podcasting. I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 5: podcast is doing good. We got thirteen listeners. I flip
Speaker 5: over y'all's YouTube channel, Humble Boom Humble, you know, and
Speaker 5: it's those are such great moments. But man, it's just
Speaker 5: poisonous when you think that you're in a competition with anybody,
Speaker 5: you're not. God has us running our own race, and
Speaker 5: guess what we worry about who's going to finish ahead
Speaker 5: of us, only to figure out that we might not
Speaker 5: even make it to the same destination because we've been
Speaker 5: so distracted with everybody else. It's a part of the problem,
Speaker 5: you know. So it's a level playing ground everybody that's
Speaker 5: listening right now. I don't care how many years you
Speaker 5: read the Bible. You know better than me and I
Speaker 5: know better than you. And we've got something to teach
Speaker 5: one another. And that's what we need to spend our
Speaker 5: time on, is you know, where what what can we
Speaker 5: learn from one another? What is it that we can
Speaker 5: take from each other resources? And you know, Steve, and
Speaker 5: I think you said it earlier. You know, maybe it
Speaker 5: feels bad to say we're using people, but now everybody
Speaker 5: uses everybody. It's only bad when you use them to
Speaker 5: get your leg up. When you use them just to
Speaker 5: crush them underneath you. That's when using people's bad. Listen,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna use every one of y'all. Every one of y'all,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna use you, but I'm gonna use you because
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get to it. If it propels me. I
Speaker 5: got my arm out pulling you up with it. It's
Speaker 5: just how it's gonna go. Because we're all the same,
Speaker 5: We're all the same headed to the same point. So
Speaker 5: it's just people get lost in the sauce with that's
Speaker 5: a big ramble. I apologize, but I just you know,
Speaker 5: it's what I'm feeling. Yeah, let me reel it in FORO.
Speaker 5: I just go hell, fire and brimstone on everybody.
Speaker 4: Y'all going to hell.
Speaker 3: Everybody uses that race analogy, right, Well, well, look at
Speaker 3: race horses. Race horses have those blinders on because if
Speaker 3: they're looking at the person running beside them losing the race,
Speaker 3: they're looking ahead, and that's you know, everybody likes to
Speaker 3: use that race analogy. But we need to apply the
Speaker 3: tactics of a race horse. We gotta have our blinders
Speaker 3: on and not be looking to everybody else worrying what
Speaker 3: they're doing and comparing ourselves to them, and we got
Speaker 3: to run our race and be looking ahead.
Speaker 5: It's a good example. Bro Here, I am talking about
Speaker 5: running a race. I had no idea. That's why those
Speaker 5: things are on those horses. I thought it was just
Speaker 5: I thought the horses had to be dressed as stupid
Speaker 5: as the people riding them. That's what I thought. Look,
Speaker 5: I'm learning now. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm humbled. I
Speaker 5: had I had no idea.
Speaker 4: I want to thank you guys very much for taking
Speaker 4: the time to come on with us. I want you,
Speaker 4: I want everybody out there listening to if you enjoy
Speaker 4: this kind of free flowing conversation, real life talk, like
Speaker 4: working through our relationship with Jesus. That's what this is
Speaker 4: all about. That's what these guys are gonna They're gonna
Speaker 4: talk about real life stuff. They're going to talk about,
Speaker 4: you know, just their walk and the struggles they have.
Speaker 4: And this is something that we'll speak to a lot
Speaker 4: of people. This is their witnesses, their testimony. I think
Speaker 4: it's important, So jump on listen to the Vessels podcast.
Speaker 4: I know they can listen to you. What you guys
Speaker 4: are on YouTube. You guys are on Spotify. I don't
Speaker 4: know where else you guys are at all, right, fair enough,
Speaker 4: they're out there. Look for the vessels pot.
Speaker 5: I know we're on Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music. I think
Speaker 5: that's what you use, right, Steve.
Speaker 4: Apple, Amazon, all those things.
Speaker 5: No, I'm talking about. Where do you listen?
Speaker 4: I listen to you on on Apple.
Speaker 5: I think it's okay. So we're on Apple too. I
Speaker 5: think we're on Amazon.
Speaker 4: We're out there, so listen, listen in you'll enjoy the show.
Speaker 4: And just as always, justin. We talk about this every time.
Speaker 4: You know, it is important for us to be in
Speaker 4: our bibles. It's important for us to have that walk.
Speaker 4: But it is always important to.
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