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I said, call us. 58 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.800 The other half of us today is as usual. Jason 59 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.120 Powell from Pro Wrestling dot Net. Jason, welcome to the show. Hey, 60 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.680 good to be here, Good to have you last night. 61 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.400 I'll just lead with one discussion point. Uh, Stephanie and Forrie, 62 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.960 you've got up on your website. The note that the 63 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.879 third hour of Raw viewership declined again after a streak 64 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:48.520 of an unusual streak of weeks where the Raw viewership 65 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:50.080 actually went up in the third hour compared to the 66 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:54.039 first two. I have not the last two weeks been 67 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.840 on the ledger of thinking that the Stephanie Bree segments 68 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.080 have been great. I think aspects of them have been good, 69 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.599 but other aspects of them have been disappointing. I was 70 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.879 a big fan three shows ago of the Stephanie being 71 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:09.800 arrested version of the feud. I like Stephanie Moore as 72 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.800 a reluctant fighter who's been backed into a corner where 73 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.879 she the only reason she agreed to fight Bree is 74 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.319 to stay out of jail. I thought last week it 75 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.399 took a turn for the worse when she suddenly out 76 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:22.360 of nowhere, went from oh my god, I don't want 77 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:23.759 to fight you, or I don't want to fight you, 78 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.920 but if it means staying out of jail, okay, I'll 79 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:30.279 agree to the lesser of two evils. And now she's 80 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.639 like all gung ho about fighting her at the end 81 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:34.759 of last week's segment and all this week. I can't 82 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:36.399 wait to get you in the ring. I'm brutal, I'm bad, 83 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.480 I'm a mcmanon, I'm going to kick your ass the 84 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.839 whole thing. Just it seems like they switched writers in 85 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:45.399 the middle of the storyline and one writer decided to 86 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:47.480 go completely new direction. And I think this is the 87 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:49.639 weaker version of those two directions, Jason. 88 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:51.399 And it does take some of the fun out of 89 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:53.720 it for the viewers who want to see steph get 90 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.879 hers and they ultimately will, but you want to see 91 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.120 her sweating it the whole time. And so I also 92 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:03.360 think it's been a mistake. And last night boy I Bribella. 93 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:07.279 I really like her personality and total divas. It doesn't 94 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:10.079 come across the same way on television. She I mean, 95 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:14.000 she has issues with Stephane McMahon, obviously, but she's always 96 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.120 angry and I don't think that's helping. 97 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:21.959 I don't think she's particularly good on the MIC and 98 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.480 in the storyline. I think part of it is what 99 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.120 she's been what she what she The script that she's 100 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.199 been given is I think bad. I think it's full 101 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.920 of platitudes and cliches, and it's just poorly written driven. 102 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.279 I just don't and I think it's it comes across 103 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:41.519 as forced and nasty, and it just doesn't feel like 104 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.199 what she would say. So I think it's you know, 105 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:46.800 Steve Bostin's talked about this on his podcast When you Talk, 106 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.079 you wrestling fans connect with the wrestler when they feel 107 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.160 that they're talking from the heart, not from a memorized script. 108 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.120 And you know, Randy Orton is known for just pacing 109 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:58.879 backstage with a script, memorizing it word or word methodically. 110 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:00.759 Of course, we learned on Twitter days ago, maybe it's 111 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:02.839 good that he scripted, but that's a whole other issue. 112 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:05.560 You what a stupid thing to say on Twitter and 113 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:10.439 to not realize it. But but nevertheless, he referred to 114 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:12.639 somebody who was shooting with on Twitter as miss Piggy 115 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.959 because well she was overweight, so you know she's a stalker. 116 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.120 But that's you know what that well, you know what 117 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:22.240 she could she could have like poisoned his dog. You 118 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:24.160 don't have to call her miss piggy because that means 119 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:26.480 she's a bad person. Because she looks overweight to me 120 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:28.639 and she's ugly. That's what bullying is is when you 121 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.120 don't pick on somebody for their actions. You pick on 122 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:32.959 somebody for something they're not in control over that day. 123 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:34.800 You know, their looks or whatever. It's just like, it's 124 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:36.480 just he needs to be smarter than that in this age. 125 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:38.560 That's not a sophisticated in sulfur guy in his mid 126 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.439 thirties and as a public figure representing company that makes 127 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.800 a big deal of being anti bullying. It was just 128 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:45.480 it was not the right way to respond. He should 129 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.600 have taken the high road. And he has since apologized, 130 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.600 so fair enough, but he showed really bad judgment initially 131 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:52.360 because I mean, if he's just a guy out there 132 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.439 and he wants to be a jerk and pick on 133 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.439 women for being overweight as his way to get back 134 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.639 at them for being a stalker, fine, but he represents WWE, 135 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:01.959 and that's just that's just immature and stupid. 136 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.560 Lord knows WWE has never mocked a Latino woman for 137 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:05.720 being overweight on television. 138 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:08.240 Street tell me about it. I mean hypography one so 139 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.839 deep it does no, it's I mean and miss I 140 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.519 mean Piggy James. I interviewed Mick Mickey James on this 141 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:16.480 show a year or so ago, and you know, talked 142 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:20.079 about that very angle and how just they're just such impogrants. 143 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:23.120 But and Vicky ger obviously all right, But back to 144 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.639 my point is Brie comes across like she's not She's 145 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.480 just she's been told read these words and be angry 146 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.800 every syllable. Yeah, and that's all she does. And it's 147 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:35.759 just it's not I mean, it's not awful. I've seen worse, 148 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.519 but it's not good. And I think it's hurting the 149 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.680 storyline because and also we kind of had to the 150 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.240 stephan McMahon. You know, when like Scott Hall and Kevin 151 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.959 ash would respond to a Babyface promo by holding their 152 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.399 fingers up and wiggling them and mocking how scared they are. Like, right, 153 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:53.800 Stephanie did that. Like Brie has a script written out 154 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.600 last night, and she delivers it all angry, and it's 155 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.000 really intimidating. I'm going to tear you apart. Two weeks ago, 156 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.600 Stephanie was in tea and so scared of going to jail, 157 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.160 but she didn't want to wrestle. That scared her too, 158 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:06.639 But she only agreed to fight for because she was 159 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.680 even more scared of jail Okay, So now bree promises 160 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.920 to terror into pieces and her response is, oh, good job, 161 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.279 Bree boy. That was so scary, And I'm like, that 162 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.879 just took all the juice out of the whole purpose 163 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.120 of Breeven talking because Steph's not selling it as if 164 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.079 she's scared. So now steps back into the bad habit 165 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:28.120 of you know, the Hall and Nashee, who you're so 166 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.079 scary and triple as done that over the years too, 167 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:34.080 instead of what we loved three episodes ago, which was 168 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:38.360 Stephanie finally showing vulnerability and giving the fans somebody a 169 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:40.559 laugh at same thing we praised her for when she 170 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.720 got knocked into the mud in Vicki's departure. 171 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:46.600 Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's the whole thing. It's just 172 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.279 for some reason, she is suddenly a tough girl. And 173 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.639 I mean we know off camera she lifts and all that, 174 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:54.080 but I was kind of hoping for some of the 175 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.600 fish out of Water training videos a little bit tongue 176 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.519 in cheek, but at the same time, you know, just 177 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.279 she does something in there to make you continue to 178 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:06.720 dislike her character. It's I don't even know why it's on. 179 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:08.519 In the final segment last night was the first time 180 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.360 I really felt that way. I'd liked last week segment 181 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:14.639 despite the weird character shift. I didn't think it was 182 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.559 like out of place last night, just maybe it was 183 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:20.080 because of the week before. But when it was like, oh, 184 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.159 this is the final segment again, it was there was 185 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.159 a bit of a disconnect for me, and maybe, you know, 186 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:27.200 based on the ratings or the viewership numbers we've seen, 187 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:28.759 maybe there was for the audience as well. 188 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.360 I'm all for promoting more than just the main event 189 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:34.320 in main segments, and I think by putting each other 190 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.039 in the final segment it helps elevate it. But it's 191 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:39.840 a little suspicious that it's a McMahon in the final 192 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:40.879 segment McMahon. 193 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:44.159 Right before preseason football starts next week on Monday nights. 194 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:48.039 Yeah, so, I mean that manipulation has been there. Hunter 195 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.360 was part of it. You know, Hall and Ash learned 196 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:53.120 from Hogan. You know, you put yourself in segments that 197 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:54.559 will make you look good that you can make your 198 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:56.919 case to management. Hunter and stuff don't need to do 199 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:58.879 it because they're not, you know, Hall and Ash trying 200 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.879 to manipulate Eric Bishoff and the bigger contracts. But they 201 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.399 still do it and it's just it. I just don't 202 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.519 know that that is main segment worthy. Now. That said, 203 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.840 in their defense, there was no John Cena, there was 204 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.240 no Brocolister. It was they had thereat, the great stellar 205 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.039 video package they put together on them. But I don't 206 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:16.519 know what else they would have made evented with. It 207 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.159 wasn't a packed show, Jason, with a lot of other 208 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:21.679 candidates to be the main segment. 209 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:22.360 No. 210 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.120 No, it's not like I can pick something out on 211 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:25.720 the show. It's I guess I just would have written 212 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.480 the show differently so that you did have something that 213 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:28.320 felt worthy there. 214 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.440 Yeah, and frankly, you know what, you can move Chris 215 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.360 Jericho into that spot. Bray Whyatt's a big star, that's 216 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.360 a big match on SummerSlam. I don't know if Jericho 217 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.480 Bray is a bigger selling point than Steph Bree. I'd 218 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.159 say no. I'd say no based on the positioning. But 219 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:46.799 I bet if you put Jericho in the main event 220 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:52.559 last night against Harper, I think you could because people 221 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:54.120 would proceed that feud as higher. 222 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:55.279 Yeah. 223 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:57.279 Well, yeah, I mean we have we had a couple 224 00:10:57.320 --> 00:10:59.600 of weeks with Stephen Brie in the main slot, so 225 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:02.000 that help their cause. Yeah, I guess it would have 226 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.120 been nice to kind of plain to what you said 227 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:07.080 originally there, just to shake things up, and the more 228 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:10.360 you can make it seem like several matches on SummerSlam 229 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:14.240 are huge deals, the better and they're not doing that. 230 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:18.440 It's just basically Brock and Sina and then Brian Steph 231 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.919 and then kind of everything. It has that kind of 232 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:21.960 everything else feel to it. 233 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.720 Yep, yep, I agree, I agree, Jason. 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Why do your customers pay 275 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.120 to get your coverage of wrestling when there's so much 276 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:37.879 other stuff out there. 277 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.000 That's free because they get to first listen to a 278 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.759 lot of news and insider perspective on different things during 279 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.159 the dot New weekly audio show. 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I bust my butt around the clock, 290 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:19.000 especially again during the work week, and I just think 291 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:20.759 if you give it, give it a shot for one dollar, 292 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:23.320 you're really going to consider it money well spent and 293 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.559 hopefully we can keep people coming back for more. 294 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:27.919 Very cool. Yeah, I mean, I just sometimes I think 295 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.000 there's so many podcasts out there, and I think both 296 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:31.960 you know, I do my thing at the beginning of 297 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:33.840 the show. You know, since the Reagan administration, I've been 298 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:35.440 doing this and all that, But you don't really talk 299 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.279 about your background much. So like three times a year, 300 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.919 I corner you and I either talk about your background 301 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.960 or throw you throw you a question and have you 302 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.440 do it so people kind of know why you're not 303 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:48.120 just some guy hired by some corporate wrestling website to 304 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.000 put up, you know, eight articles a day and he 305 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.360 gets paid ten dollars per article, and you know, and 306 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.960 you can just tell their gloman news off of somebody else, 307 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:56.360 and they don't know the experience to know how to 308 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.039 interpret it. And you know, what really about what is news? 309 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:03.240 What's credible? How interpret that news? Sometimes there's items taken 310 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.440 from your reporting, my reporting in various other places that 311 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:10.600 actually our first run news sites and newsletters and publications, 312 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.879 and they'll just take a little snippet and turn into 313 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.039 this big thing just because they're trying to please some 314 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.320 corporate boss who runs seventeen other sports related webs or 315 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:23.080 you know, men's related websites, and that, you know, I mean, 316 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:25.159 there's there are some there's some really bad online reporting 317 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:26.720 out there that I'll just lead you in the wrong direction. 318 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:28.879 And there I guess my point in asking you that 319 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.000 too is just to differentiate. I mean, I feel the Torch. 320 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:33.519 I feel the same way about the Torch. But you've 321 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.600 got the experience to take a story and let people 322 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:38.679 know not just what's happening, but why it's happening, and 323 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.960 cut through the BS too, and it make that clear. 324 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:46.039 So hopefully that comes across just inherently in our analysis 325 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:47.720 of the shows and the audio that we do here 326 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:49.960 at blog Talk. But but I think it's it's worth 327 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.519 mentioning because there's just so I mean, it's just the 328 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.279 stuff we get sent. I know, you do two jays 329 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:55.600 and the stuff we gets in here at the Torch 330 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:57.759 of links to other stories and I'll read it and 331 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.399 I'll be like, oh god, I mean it's just so off. 332 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.000 You know, It's just it's like something that they're trying 333 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:05.279 to reinterpret from somewhere else, and it's just it doesn't 334 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.879 it's not the actual correct interpretation of what it means 335 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:09.559 or where it's going. 336 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.799 So you see it, go to the source. I mean, 337 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:13.360 that's what I always try to tell people. I'm not 338 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:15.480 going to take shots and anybody in particular. But if 339 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.799 you notice a story that was that we wrote that 340 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.360 was pretty similar somewhere else and you're wondering where it 341 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.840 came from, well we're not stealing things from other places, 342 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:24.679 let's put it that way. 343 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:25.159 Yeah. 344 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.840 Yeah, you're full time and tons of experience and creating 345 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:29.679 original news and talking to sources, talking to people in 346 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.639 the business every day. So all right, very good. Let's 347 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.519 let's go to the full lines and let's begin. You 348 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.679 know what I did not bring up, but I'll do 349 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.399 that next. Let's let's begin with aer code five six one, 350 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:45.360 five six one. Please let me know your name and 351 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:47.039 the city you're calling from today. 352 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:52.039 Hey, this is Matt from North Carolina. I'm a THEFU members. 353 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:53.639 Hey Matt, thanks for coming on the VFA Express Line. 354 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:54.840 What have you got for Jason to me today? 355 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:57.240 Yeah? 356 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.480 I agree with everything as we're saying about breeze, Like 357 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.240 my best friend and my girlfriend and we said around 358 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:04.200 to watch it. We always yell at the last thing 359 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:06.640 that she's about to say together and you're a da 360 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.160 da da bitch. Hell like becoming like kind of a 361 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.920 drinking game in my house. Yes, I thought the nine 362 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:17.759 to ninety nine thing was really weird last night, Like 363 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:20.400 it was almost like somebody told them, like they had 364 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.119 to say it so many times throughout the shows they're 365 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.759 made like an ongoing running joke about it to have 366 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:26.119 fun with it or something. But I thought that was 367 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.799 really weird. I don't think I was just gonna ask 368 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.559 you is I can't remember someone was talking about recently. 369 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.359 I don't know if it was You're a Bruce, But 370 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:36.960 you know the idea that heels. You know, if they 371 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.079 get cheered, then they're not doing their job right, right, 372 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.799 So how do you think that that kind of contrasts 373 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:46.759 with Cina and that he has been the face for 374 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:48.839 like the past ten years, but he spent like half 375 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.839 that time getting booed by half the audience. That would 376 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.279 you argue that means he's not playing a good face. 377 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.880 Yeah, yeah, I think I think I do think wwe 378 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:00.400 would be better off if John Cena on a way 379 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:02.759 to not just connect with the kids, but edit himself 380 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:06.559 in terms of the loose sts, the goofy, exaggerated facial 381 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.319 expressions that if I saw those once, I would never 382 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.880 do it again on camera if I were him, And 383 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.200 the poopy stuff and the corny, you know, like the 384 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.160 derivative rock humor that carried over, and some of the 385 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.359 bad writing that was handed to over the years, and 386 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.119 and part of it is just he's kind of a goofy, 387 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.480 overgrown toddler wrestling style at times. And I'm usually a 388 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.400 defender of John Cena's wrestling style, but I mean, there's 389 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.799 things about him stylistically that in the ring look kind 390 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:33.839 of clunky in a way that it doesn't matter to 391 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:36.920 the kids and the women, but the guys compare him 392 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:42.920 to some of the really great athletic, tough guy, more 393 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:46.400 graceful athletes out there that just seem more cool, and 394 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:49.440 he pales in comparison, So he has his weaknesses. Now, 395 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.119 I've spent so much time on this show defending that 396 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.279 John Cena should be the top star. He's not the 397 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:56.519 perfect dollar around top star, but he's one of the best, 398 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.039 and he's been very effective. Could somebody else have been 399 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:01.680 more effective had seen it not been in the picture. 400 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.519 Maybe they kind of played that up a little bit 401 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:05.400 with the who Lesner dynamic last night in the video, 402 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:09.440 But no, John Cena is not a perfect babyface in 403 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.119 that respect. He does his job as a top star 404 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:17.480 really well, and he has so so so many people 405 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:19.720 cheering him and paying money to see him and buying 406 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:23.319 his merchandise that I don't think that gets offset by 407 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.000 the people who are booing him. I think that in 408 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.599 and of itself, there's enough people cheering him. It works 409 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:33.519 if a heel is getting incredibly intense booze from even 410 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:35.599 forty five percent, but you know, fifty five to sixty 411 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:37.880 sixty five percent of the audience, but some people choose 412 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:39.519 to cheer them. I don't think that they're doing their 413 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:41.839 job poorly at that point, but I would say they'd 414 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:43.119 be doing their job better if they could find a 415 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.000 way to turn everybody against them. So I'd say the 416 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.200 same thing with John Cena. There's so many assets he 417 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:50.759 has going for him, but it would be more ideal 418 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:52.440 if it was more along the lines of stone cold 419 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.839 Steve Austin, where he's just thoroughly, thoroughly, thoroughly almost one 420 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.279 hundred percent well, probably one hundred percent cheered during his 421 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:03.720 top babyface run. Jason to me, it's tightened. 422 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:05.759 Things up a little bit. I think he's just gotten 423 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:08.519 away with the excuse of he's being himself and this 424 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:10.599 is who he is for too long and there's no 425 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:14.359 reason he can't just change something. And it makes some 426 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:16.279 minor tweaks. I'm not asking him to go out there 427 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.519 and just be someone that he's completely not, but it 428 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.079 really when you've noticed that you are doing things that 429 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.240 do push away a good portion of the audience, maybe 430 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.279 not away from the product, which is another thing he 431 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:31.079 clings to that he's getting a reaction, Well, you know, 432 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:32.960 work a little bit harder to try to win those 433 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.519 people over. And we've seen at times that when he 434 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:37.920 drops some of the silliness and the cornball routines and 435 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.440 he goes out there and he delivers a good, straightforward promo, 436 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:43.160 people acknowledge it, and then he'll come right back the 437 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:45.759 next week and do something that loses those people again. 438 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:49.480 Yeah. Yeah, and that they're just things about Tina, that 439 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:51.839 about uncessary. I mean, Matt, what's your take on what 440 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:53.920 we had to say? And you brought up the subject yourself. 441 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:54.480 What's your opinion? 442 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:58.359 No, I agree, I think that. I mean, if it 443 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:00.559 was my company, i'd be writing it too. I mean, 444 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:02.680 he's definitely the best option. He's making the most money 445 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:05.000 so on the most tickets. I mean, all the statistics 446 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:06.759 are there, so I don't blame them for going with him. 447 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.640 But yeah, he cut out all the the goofball stuff. 448 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:11.799 I know I'd like him because I'm not a scene 449 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.880 a hater. So like when he gets into his serious stuff, 450 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:16.720 like the stuff he's gone to see him punk or 451 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:19.200 the stuff he's done with Lessner. I just rewatched that 452 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.799 match the other night. He's he's pretty damn good. But 453 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:25.640 then he just loses it. He does the whole thing 454 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:27.640 like with Bray Wyatt. He just shrugs it off, and 455 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.839 I know, as his wholeham attitude just loses me completely, 456 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:32.799 or starts making jokes about poop and stuff. 457 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:34.279 It's like, dude, you can be so. 458 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:37.400 Good, Like I don't get that, And that's that's what's heartbreaking, 459 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:39.480 you know. I Mean you can even see with Steve 460 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:41.640 Austin when he's like, you know, on the podcast which 461 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:44.440 on Sena last wasn't least November or something, he interview. No, 462 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:46.640 but he was just like, or mean, it's just earlier 463 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.039 this year in January whatever. He's like, you know, hey, 464 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:50.960 you know, dude, can you just like tighten up the 465 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:54.480 STF for me? And he's like what what? Oh oh okay, 466 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.920 uh sure sure, you know, like totally, like nobody dared 467 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:00.000 to tell John that before, like how awful it looked. 468 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:03.200 And I've said this, I would have respected John Cena. 469 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:05.799 I would respect John Cena if someday he comes out 470 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:07.839 and I'm giving him this out if he cares to 471 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.359 take it, which is well, you knows Ben Well saying 472 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.920 I didn't want any kids hurting other kids with this 473 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.480 hole if they imitated me, So I applied it loose 474 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:19.079 and try to make it seem like it was more, 475 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:21.319 you know, torquing the body and not squeezing the neck 476 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:24.000 in the head that made the move effective. And maybe 477 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.160 it wasn't ideal, but I just figured it was, you know, 478 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:28.400 in light of the Benwall stuff, should probably apply that 479 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:29.799 a little bit looser so we don't have any kids 480 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:32.359 choking each other out. If you like said that, I'd 481 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:35.680 be like, okay, maybe you know what I mean, Like, 482 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:37.519 you know, there's so many other things in wrestling that 483 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:39.559 could heart if kids imitated, I would say, just pick 484 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:41.559 a different finisher that you can apply well. But I 485 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:43.839 don't think that even cross Teena's mine. I just don't 486 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.279 think he thinks about that stuff. And I think he's 487 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:48.799 so insulated as a top guy, not because he's a 488 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.200 bad guy and has insulated himself. It is kind of 489 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.559 natural when you're like the top go to guy in 490 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:56.880 the company, nobody wants to only Steve Austen, you know, 491 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:01.079 separated from the business, retired and made more money than 492 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:02.920 Seen up per year, you know, on average, I mean've 493 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:04.839 seen has made more money in his career. But in 494 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.160 his peak years, Austin was responsible for turning the tide 495 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:12.400 of WWE against ww Austin has the credibility to do that, 496 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:15.039 and very few other people, apparently, if anybody, has ever 497 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:17.880 done that. So it's too bad, you know. I think 498 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:21.519 Seena isn't isn't highly self aware of certain things, and 499 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:24.720 in because of his stature, he doesn't have what we 500 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:26.759 all have, which is friends who tell us the truth 501 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.200 so without worrying about losing their jobs or you know, 502 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.480 their standing in their in their in their chosen professions. 503 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:38.599 So need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts. 504 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.000 Will come join me Alan fourrel Over in the Progress 505 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.519 Paradise at Pine Torch VIP as we mask on the 506 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.279 bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the 507 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.799 great matches and shows from around the world, be it US, Japan, 508 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.720 Europe or Mexico. 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See you 521 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:38.240 in the Paradise. 522 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:44.400 Anyhow, man, any help? 523 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:44.640 Brook? 524 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:46.839 Yeah? 525 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:50.960 I had someone on Roman Reigns the past couple weeks, 526 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.079 it kind of seems to me like they're pulling back 527 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:55.680 a little with the segments for giving them and the 528 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.279 time to giving them, and it seems to me like 529 00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.440 the crowds kind of not I mean it's not obviously 530 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:03.319 he's getting still getting good reactions, but it seems like 531 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:04.480 they're pulling on. 532 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:05.319 Him just a little bit. 533 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.880 This doesn't seem to be as much rains a Mania, 534 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.279 I guess you could say, And looking at it, I 535 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:13.759 think the guys, like I've called about this a couple 536 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.400 of times, but I think he's definitely like two, if 537 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.160 not three years away from being where they want him 538 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.079 to be. And I think if their plan is to 539 00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.079 put him up against Lesnar at Wrestlemanian Pass the Torch, 540 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.319 He's gonna get booed hard by that WrestleMania crowd and 541 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.000 it's going to really change the tide long term. And 542 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:32.079 I think long term they're doing damage to him by 543 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.799 putting in that spot now. And if they think it's potential, 544 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:38.440 I think that they should have just held off a 545 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:42.720 little bit longer, And especially like last night, whenever Daniel 546 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:44.839 Briant gets mentioned, I think that there's still that Daniel 547 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.559 Bryan Mania going on. I mean, every time they mentioned name, 548 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.960 the crowd just erupts into the s chant. And I 549 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:52.240 just don't think Roman Rains is ready for that spot, 550 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:53.680 and I don't think the crowd's ready to give up 551 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.319 on Daniel Brian, and I think pushing him in that 552 00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:58.319 WrestleMania spot's going to be a huge mistake if they 553 00:25:58.319 --> 00:25:59.039 continue that way. 554 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.920 And that's when you guys thought on that. Yeah, great, 555 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:03.640 great topics, is match good, good way to kick off 556 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.519 the show. Jason, your you and I talked last week 557 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:07.680 on the life gest I think in the VF the 558 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:10.079 after show portion, and you were kind of correct me 559 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.119 if my memory's wrong, but you were kind of leaning 560 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.240 towards they should do Daniel Brian against Lesner at Mania 561 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:15.920 thirty one, not Rains against Lesner. 562 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.400 Yeah, if Daniel Brian's healthy, I just think it's the 563 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.559 safe for bet. I think Rain's I mean, and I 564 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:23.279 reserve the right to change my tune as we get 565 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.400 closer to many if something clicks with Rains, but he's 566 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:28.599 he still has a lot to prove in the ring. 567 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:30.960 I do think promo wise, he's done a nice job 568 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:32.799 with what they've given him that they protect him, and 569 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.359 rightfully so, but I just don't see enough consistency with 570 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:38.960 him in the ring. I don't see the move set 571 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.839 that I think he's going to need. And I fear 572 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.319 that if it just feels a little too predictable, that 573 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.519 the Mania crowd is really going to turn on I 574 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.000 just right now as things stand to me, if Daniel 575 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.559 Brian were healthy, that just feels like the bigger match 576 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.880 than Rains. But I did you know, last night I 577 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.160 was starting to feel the same way about another crowd 578 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.200 seemed to be kind of drifting away from Rain a 579 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.079 little bit, and then last night I thought they were 580 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.119 really with him, and it was so one crowd if nothing, 581 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:08.119 but still that particular crowd was really into Rains for 582 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:09.359 that fifteen minute match with Cain. 583 00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:11.559 There's a little tell last night. I talked about this 584 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.680 longer on my Keller hotline last night and my vip 585 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.319 raw report. The text version that I put up earlier today, 586 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.079 Rain's at the end like said, you know, you beat 587 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:23.480 me down, but I'm still here, And it like ended 588 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:25.640 with like it's like when you're reading a sentence and 589 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.680 there's an exclamation point at the end, but you didn't 590 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.039 know what was coming until you're reading the last word, 591 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.160 and so you just you're reading it normal and you 592 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:33.680 get to the last word and you're like, oh, there's 593 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.480 exclamation point, So I better say the last word of 594 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.240 the sentence really loud, even if that's not the natural 595 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:38.880 stress point. 596 00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:40.440 Jo Guerrero Junior. 597 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:46.240 Yes, so there's nothing about standing where Rains was standing 598 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.920 right there, that was really what was the natural stress point. 599 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:55.920 So Rain's's reciting lines and he thinks he's supposed to 600 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.359 sound end on a strong note, so he ends with here. 601 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.759 But if you go listen to like Steve Austin and 602 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:05.200 the Rock and Hack Brett Hard and Rick Flair and 603 00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:09.720 the Michael Hayes and great great promo people, they're in 604 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.400 They're not sitting there trying to figure out like, Okay, 605 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:13.720 what am I supposed to say and why am I 606 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.279 supposed to say it? There they know, they feel their promo. 607 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.440 They are in that character and it's not it's not 608 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.079 like rehearsal at a high school or college acting class. 609 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:27.720 They are in a zone. And Rain's is not in 610 00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.960 a zone. He's he doesn't know who he is as 611 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.640 a character yet, and he's not speaking from the heart. 612 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.119 And you know, It's not like that just saying here 613 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:37.599 anyone's aware of, like they're not going, why did he 614 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:39.640 say here? Really loud? It's not like fans are saying 615 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.200 that specifically. But what happens is there's this intangible feeling 616 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.000 when Rain's talks that I think is hurting him, which 617 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.880 is he's saying rehearse lines. It's what screws up Brandy 618 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.839 Orton as a babyface, you know, where people react to 619 00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.160 Orton as a top star when they see him, like 620 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.200 I've seen this guy in so many great WWE moments, 621 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.759 who will cheer him, but they but it doesn't I 622 00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.440 don't think it can. I don't think when he's a 623 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.680 babyface really connects at the level that's necessary because he 624 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.519 just seems kind of soul less and empty and unengaged. 625 00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.480 And it's just a staccato rehearsal of what he scripted 626 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.559 to say, and Rains is more in that zone right 627 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.200 now and he's not. I just don't feel he's speaking 628 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.200 from the heart. And again Steve Austin says it's better 629 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:20.000 than anybody when he talks about the art of the promo, 630 00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:21.519 and I think it was when he and I were 631 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.200 on when he had me on his show left November. 632 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.200 We talked about this and the art of the promo 633 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.519 and and the scripting, and I know he's brought it 634 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.160 up other times and that that to me is that's 635 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.559 even more important than the moves that So yeah, I'm curious. 636 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:35.480 I'm I mean, this is why we watch wrestling and 637 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.640 love to follow it as grown ups. You know is 638 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.559 is you follow it. You know what they're trying to do, 639 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.640 but there's just things that are not in their control. 640 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.559 And watching the Rains push play out is gonna be 641 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.200 It's gonna be fascinating to watch. What whether you're cheer 642 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.920 and former against him or you want Brian it up, 643 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:57.720 but whatever it is, WWE is tentatively banking on him 644 00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:00.000 to be a breakout star and they're putting the machine 645 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.200 behind him right now, the machine is behind Johnson and Lesnar, 646 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.039 and Rains against Orton is a supporting match, just like 647 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.640 Jericho Bray and Brie Steph. In fact, Brie STEP's get 648 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.119 more of a push than rains Orton. So kind of 649 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.640 have to wait till after SummerSlam to see where they go. 650 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:16.920 I mean, but I think it does seem like maybe 651 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.039 they're pulling back a little bit, but more just because hey, 652 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.279 we're selling summer Slam and Rains isn't in the main 653 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.440 event like it was last month, so that's probably part 654 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:25.759 of the reason. All right. I do want to remind 655 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:27.519 people the pod Torch live cast is brought to you 656 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.079 by Audible, a leading provider of spoken audio information and entertainment, 657 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.920 exclusively with this free trial. But you have to go 658 00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:38.240 to audibletrial dot com slash Pro Wrestling Torch. Now you 659 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.519 see why it's stressed trial there because I don't want 660 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.279 you to go to audible dot com. So I'm stressing 661 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:47.119 the word trial Audible trial dot com slash Pro Wrestling Torch. 662 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.839 That's where you can go and claim your free audiobook. 663 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.440 All right, let's move on to more phone calls here 664 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.359 and we'll go next to area code nine to five two. 665 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.839 This is VIP member Brian. Brian confirmed, this is you 666 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.000 and the city are calling from today. 667 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.839 I am confirming it's me Wade and I'm calling from Minneapolis, Minnesota. 668 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:09.359 No, Minneapolis, Minnesota. Sorry, no, no, no, I don't say 669 00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:09.640 it like that. 670 00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:11.240 I was gonna talk about that a little bit. That 671 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.240 that is something I've noticed more and more and when 672 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.720 you said it really hit the hail on the tail, 673 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.599 the head just right on point. He doesn't have that 674 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.160 ability yet, like he wants to be the rock, but 675 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.759 I don't think there's that like he's not comfortable in 676 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:25.160 his skin yet. And I don't know if he's going 677 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:26.519 to get that because there was a time where the 678 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:26.920 rock was. 679 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.079 Similar where could see him putting the pieces together. 680 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.400 And he'd stumble, but then eventually he got it and 681 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.079 I hope that for rains someone I think who really 682 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:35.880 has it though, And I talked about this as traffics 683 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.400 Bryan is and he's on a simmer right now. Is 684 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:40.279 Dean Ambrose. When he got that pop last night and 685 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.200 had that wide audience shot, there was a lot of 686 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:46.400 people standing with that crumby music hitting like they still 687 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.240 stood up and got up for him. So he definitely 688 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:49.799 has something going. 689 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.720 And you know what, that's a really good Brian, just 690 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.839 jump in real quick. That's a really good contrast because 691 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.440 Dean Ambrose is in that zone that I talk about. 692 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.039 He knows who he is as a character. You do 693 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.599 you not think he's anybody, but that he's not trying 694 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.400 to be anything. He just is And I think that 695 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.920 authenticity is what really helps fans connect with somebody, and 696 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.279 Dean Ambrols has it. I actually think Seth Rollins has 697 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:12.559 it better than Roman Rings does too. 698 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:14.880 Yeah. 699 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.480 I would agree with you, yeah, one hundred percent on that. 700 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.240 That's that's what I've been seeing. My question for you guys, 701 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:20.400 I had one more thing to say to you, and 702 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.240 then one question you guys were talking about it. 703 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.039 How your review for. 704 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.440 O s Field Domain Wrestling Show. I just wanted to 705 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.079 say that the red haired wrestler is Ricky Loves. He's 706 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:29.519 one of my favorite indie guys. 707 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.720 Yes, and Jason, we should have remembered that because I 708 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.079 think we were talking about Johnny Love and Ricky Rice. 709 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.880 That's right, and we're like, oh, Ricky Love because they 710 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.640 both were Ricky Rice and Johnny Love were top guys 711 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.440 in p WA in the late eighties and we and 712 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.839 then when he was Ricky Love had made us talk 713 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:48.880 about that. So anyway, yeah, we should have remembered that. Yeah. 714 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:50.720 So he's one, Brian, he's one of your favorites. 715 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:52.440 Ah. 716 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.400 Yeah for the young upstar guys, I'm a big Yeah. 717 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.119 Just has that great baby comeback. I can't have had 718 00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:58.359 a lot of shows working with him and stuff. And 719 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.599 it's just like the fans are getting a lot of 720 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.839 girls scream and that's something I'm always a fan of. 721 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.160 Yeah, you know, I mean that's a sign that I'm 722 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.319 on the question. Yep. 723 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.880 Absolutely. My question for you this week besides get on 724 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:11.759 the bush, is have you guys gotten a chance to 725 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:13.519 see the Paul Caman DVD yet? 726 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.319 A commentary Jason. 727 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.519 I had every intention of watching it before today show. 728 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:24.799 I went to Walmart. They had the standard copy, and 729 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:26.599 I'm like, I know, no blue Rail. I'll go to 730 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.960 Target next door. They didn't have either. I'm like, well, 731 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.400 I'll just go to best Buy, even though it's way 732 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.720 across town or whatever. I stopped off at a Walmart 733 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.240 that was on the way. Again standard, no Blu Ray. 734 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:39.920 Go to best Buy. I'm like, they have to have it. 735 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:40.680 Nothing. 736 00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.599 So I just threw my hands up and wasted a 737 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.680 good chunk of my day in search of the Paul 738 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.920 Hayman DVD. So, no, I haven't seen it. It's kind 739 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:49.119 of a sore spot with me. 740 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.160 We're about to go to a commercial break. Why listed 741 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.079 commercial breaks when you can go vi IP and experience 742 00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.599 our shows with the ads and plugs removed. PW torch 743 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.359 dot com slash go VP. That's PW Torch dot com 744 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.519 slash go VIP for full details, or go to Patreon 745 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:09.159 Patreon dot com slash PW Torch. VIP rate start as 746 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:11.440 low as four dollars in ninety nine cents to remove 747 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.400 the ads and plugs through Patreon. Full VIP membership starts 748 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.840 at nine dollars in ninety nine cents to treat yourself 749 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.079 to a streamlined, add and plug free listening experience with 750 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:27.639 a VIP or Patreon membership. Yeah, and I have not 751 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.000 seen it yet either, and I would have. It would 752 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.079 have been nice if we got a promotional copy by now, Jason. 753 00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.639 I mean not that we're being cheap. I'm just saying 754 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.760 we're so busy covering wrestling stuff. It'd be nice if 755 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.960 wwe still still sent that out to us, But no, 756 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:41.119 we got to go out and hunt for him, and 757 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:42.840 so no, we can't review it. Have you seen it 758 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:43.480 right away, Brad? 759 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:45.440 Yes, I can. 760 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.079 I can't believe that they don't send you guys like 761 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.400 digital copy links like to review that. Yeah, it would 762 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.960 be I would think vital anyway. Yeah, I've gotten a 763 00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:54.320 chance to see it, and I really just want to 764 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.280 hear your guys's take on the on the perspective of 765 00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.559 the film, the authenticity. So I guess i'll call back 766 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.639 next week. Can hear your guys' take, because I don't 767 00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:01.800 hear it. 768 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.880 In the meantime, I will. I'll be watching it this 769 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.519 week and I'll be reviewing it for VP members on 770 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:11.440 on the Ketler Hotline or if or watch or Bruce 771 00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:14.960 Mitchell Audio Show or maybe both. So we'll definitely we'll 772 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.199 definitely have it covered soon here, but just not on 773 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:18.079 today's libcast. 774 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.400 All right, guys, have a good show, Thank you so 775 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:21.920 much again. 776 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.760 Absolutely, but Brian, I'm you watched it and you are 777 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:27.920 just curious about the authenticity. They're worth watching it. 778 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:30.800 Yeah, I mean I enjoyed it. 779 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.039 I don't want to, you know, say a whole lot 780 00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:34.519 about I want to hear your guys' take, but I 781 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.239 mean I liked it. It was on far with the 782 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:38.920 ECW apologize my. 783 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:40.920 Incentive sat Oh that's nine yep. 784 00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.159 It was on part It was on hollow with. 785 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.440 The ec wdvds. 786 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.599 They didn't stuff in there. It was more close to 787 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:49.599 the cmpunk documentary in terms of quality of set. 788 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:50.719 I just want to hear about your guys. 789 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.239 Yeah, take yeah, no, I look forward to it. I 790 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.400 thought the commercial Jason was really good. 791 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:56.840 You know. 792 00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.280 I like when Paul Hayman sounds somewhat introspective and saying, 793 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.800 you know, I get into fights I have no reason 794 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:04.679 or business getting into, or you know, I pick fights 795 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:06.679 and get into battles that I have no business getting 796 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.760 into or there's no advantage, you know. Like I like 797 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.039 teasers that somebody's going to be actually introspective about themselves, 798 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.000 you know, as they look back at their career. But yeah, 799 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:15.880 we got to see the whole thing to. 800 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:18.280 Really judge it, which is so rare for Paul. I mean, 801 00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:21.760 that's something that he just doesn't like looking back, and 802 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.239 you can get into the reasons as to why that 803 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.960 may be, and then we can speculate. But it's just 804 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.840 he's not someone that sits around and relives the glory 805 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.239 days of ECW. It's just not his style. So this 806 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.760 is very rare for him to do this. I'm not 807 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.639 surprised they finally got around to doing it. But I 808 00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:43.559 think he's told the story. I think he did it 809 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.599 between the Ropes Dot Common interview where he just said, 810 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.000 like he made them, he put the thing off like 811 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.199 six seven times or something like that, and just kept 812 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.159 giving them the run around and doing the interview because 813 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.000 he was dreading it so much. 814 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.880 Funny Funny, We got an email from Peter Torch VIP 815 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:04.159 member Idan Baramani of Abington, Maryland just while we've been 816 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.639 doing the show here and he's we're talking about the 817 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.400 Shield members, you know who's doing the best, and he 818 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.639 just said, if WWE's concerned about ratings, financials in their 819 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.679 bottom line, the solution is simple. Dean Ambrose, despite not 820 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.519 featuring him every week and cooling him lately with strange booking, 821 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:19.920 the crowd is taken to him. I know the company 822 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.239 is full on with Roman reigns, but they should take 823 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.000 note Dean has dollar signs in main event written all 824 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.239 over him. Last night segment with Rowlins was campy, but 825 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.320 I loved it Ambrose's facials and mannerisms, especially when he 826 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.519 tore up the money in the bank contract. Are wrestling Gold? 827 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:35.280 Your thoughts? I liked it a lot too. James Caldwell 828 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.760 and his report on PW Torch dot com a little 829 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.440 cooler on it than I was, and thought it was 830 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.800 kind of like, just, you know, high schoolers pranking each 831 00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:44.480 other or something like that. I thought Ambrose when he 832 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.360 was tearing it up and having kind of that mock, Oh, 833 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.519 I know this hurts you so much, Seth rollins, what 834 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.000 am I about to do? What am I doing? Everything? 835 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.119 Just he's spot on with that stuff, and you know, yeah, 836 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:57.199 I mean it's you know, the hat and the briefcase. 837 00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.000 You know, you can imagine Vincent Man sitting in the 838 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.760 back going this this hilarious. J b OL's head is 839 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.599 covered in colon and popcorn and all. I mean, not 840 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.440 everything about it was great, but I thought that, you know, 841 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.440 creating a distraction for Seth to lose to a guy 842 00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.000 that he was heavily favored against was fine. I mean 843 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.039 that worked for me in the spot on the show 844 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.280 those in and I just think, Yeah, Dean Ambrose does 845 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.559 everything that he's asked to do really well, And I 846 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.440 don't have much of any critique. I think he knows 847 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.880 who he is. He's in step with his character, and 848 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.400 he gives off that sense of authenticity and he's good 849 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:34.199 and intense in the ring he is. There's that, there's Dick, 850 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:38.559 some Dick Slator, there's some Roddy Piper, There's who's the 851 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.760 third person that we we came to conclusion he's a 852 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:43.920 combo with three people, and I can only think of 853 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:46.360 Slater and Piper. 854 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.880 I always go with Heath Ledger's joker, But I'm sure 855 00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:50.199 you're looking for someone wrestling wise. 856 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.760 Yeah, someone wrestling wise. There, he's like a combination of 857 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.480 three people. But anyway, I forgot, but Jason, yeah, I mean, 858 00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.519 are you as high on on Ambrose is as weird 859 00:38:59.000 --> 00:38:59.280 I am. 860 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.000 I don't know that people are going to get their 861 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:02.599 wish where all of a sudden they're just going to 862 00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.199 abandon ship on Rains in favor of pushing Ambrose to 863 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.840 the top. But I think long term, I still believe 864 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.559 the payoff for this is going to be Rains is 865 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.199 the guy and Ambrose becomes his Roddy Piper like Foyle, 866 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.159 and I think the longer they play up some sort 867 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.960 of a friendship between them, the longer you have to 868 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.920 get away from the seth Rawlins thing. You don't want 869 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.159 to do that too soon because then it's just going 870 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.639 to bee like Rawlins did the same thing. So I 871 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.039 hope there's a real slow build up to that moment 872 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.519 when he turns, because I know he's really over as 873 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.079 a Babyface. And I'm not saying I wouldn't take that 874 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.360 approach with him, but I just think I don't know 875 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.360 that he's going to be Vince McMahon's guy, you know, 876 00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.239 but I think he can be a really strong heel 877 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.639 player for them. But I think that one of the 878 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.920 real I guess one of the things that stands out 879 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.280 about Ambrose to me is there, even though I'm sure 880 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.280 he's doing every single thing they tell him to do, 881 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:56.760 just like everybody else in that company, there's an element 882 00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:58.800 of danger when he's out there that's missing with so 883 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:00.320 many of the other guys on the rock. Sure. 884 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.599 Yeah, that's that's a good phrase too. Yeah, that's a 885 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.719 good point. All right, very good. If you joined us, 886 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.559 we are past midway point of the p W Torch 887 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.800 Live Cast. I am Wade Keller joined by Jason Powell 888 00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.400 of Pro Wrestling dot Net and you can find this 889 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:19.360 show live at PW torch live cast dot com. That 890 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.360 is again Friday, several years ago. The goal was, you know, hey, 891 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.119 let's get the big names on that are current, you know, 892 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:29.000 and talk you know, guys who just get fired like Hernandez, 893 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.199 Guys who have a new paper view going on from 894 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.000 their training center, but are willing to talk to us 895 00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.599 like Booker t who are national stars, legendary take team 896 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:41.239 guys like Devon Dudley, AJ Styles. Shortly after leaving TNA, 897 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.119 Jake the Snake, Robertson Scott Hall did their first interviews 898 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:45.920 with us after being announced for the Hall of Fame, 899 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:48.800 Stone Called Steve Boston did his first public comments about 900 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.400 WrestleMania thirty on this show just days after WrestleMania. We 901 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.639 love all that. We've also wanted to do history pieces 902 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.320 and we've had different people on historians like mccarsh and 903 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.639 George Shire and Greg Oliver, and we've also wanted We've 904 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.480 also had legendary wrestlers on. And one guy that you're 905 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.320 gonna have on on this Friday show I'm really looking 906 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:11.840 forward to this interview is the grappler Len Detton from Portland, Oregon. 907 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:14.920 He's got a autobiography that is out Jim and you've 908 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.719 been reading that, You've had You've got me excited to 909 00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:19.639 read it, and you're going to have him on the 910 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.599 show on Friday. And you are the perfect person to 911 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.840 interview him because that is your home territory and that's 912 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.199 where he was such a big star. So give us 913 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.360 a little preview of what to expect and sell people 914 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:31.880 on checking out Friday show. 915 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.159 You know, you mentioned a lot of the people that 916 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.599 have been on the show. You know you mentioned Jake Roberts. 917 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:42.559 You know his legend has it. The grappler Lennon Denton 918 00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:46.639 was the first victim inadvertently of the DDT in the 919 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:50.639 Mid South promotion. Grappler finished up his career here in 920 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.960 the Northwest, but you know he made his name in 921 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.639 Mid South as a masked wrestler under Bill Watts. He 922 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:02.239 was North American Champion during prime of the Junkyard Dogs 923 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.960 main event Big Money super Dome runs in in Mid 924 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.199 South in the in the early eighties. You he was 925 00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:13.159 a main heel, one of Junkyard Dogs, you know, biggest 926 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.519 opponents during his you know, his biggest run ever in wrestling. 927 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.000 So you know, Len Denton has done a lot. So 928 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.000 I mean, if you're a fan of great wrestling stories, 929 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.440 you know Lena is rentled in Texas, in Mid South, 930 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.039 in Mid Atlantic, Central States, Memphis, Portland, you know a 931 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.400 lot more. You know, he was underneath guy for years 932 00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:34.280 and you know, you read a lot of books and 933 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.440 you know quite Honestly, you go, Okay, I don't really 934 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.000 want to read about your childhood. 935 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:40.559 I don't really want to read about. 936 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:44.519 Your early days. This is really boring, to be honest, 937 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.960 I find the most compelling part of the book his 938 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.559 early days. Has a job guy. You know, as a 939 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.679 job guy, he drove Rick Flair around the Carolinas. So 940 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.159 you get these great stories and great theories on wrestling 941 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:02.320 from and great advice for from Rick Flair. He worked 942 00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:05.079 in Calgary, so he gets some great Stu Hart stories. 943 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.000 And you know he worked made events with Brett Hart 944 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:11.119 in in Calgary. You know, he booked for Harley Race 945 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.800 in Missouri when the WWF was breaking the rules, you know, 946 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:16.760 in in you know, the early eighties, and ran a 947 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:18.719 TV taping in Saint Louis. I mean that was a 948 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.960 that was a huge deal. Plus, you know he talks, 949 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.719 you know about backstage stuff. You know, he got into 950 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.719 altercations with with fans. You know, I mean, everybody knows 951 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.480 about the infamous Louisiana fans. Everyone has heard Jim Cornett 952 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.119 stories about the Louisiana fans. Well, you know, he has 953 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.000 some some stories of his own. You know, he worked 954 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.559 for Bill Watts. Bill Wats a strong personality. He talks 955 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:43.199 about his altercations with the Bill Watts. He also talks 956 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.719 about a confrontation with with one of your all time 957 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:51.159 favorite wrestlers, Wade Jerry Blackwell. Yes, you know, he was 958 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.159 managed by Jim Cornett and Jimmy Hart. You know he 959 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.679 he worked with Andre, He worked with Dusty and dB Ossi. 960 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:00.880 You know, he was on the USA Network with Southwest 961 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.880 Wrestling before w w F was on was on, was 962 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.119 on the USA Network. And you know, in for for 963 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:12.679 MMA fans, Chail san the guy who has made millions 964 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.800 off of his talking more than his fighting, you know, 965 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.639 stole a lot of his promos and a lot of 966 00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.679 pat lines growing up in Portland for the grappler. You know, 967 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:26.800 the grappler's famous line is they got a name for you. 968 00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.159 If you're a great wrestler. They don't call you a 969 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.960 great wrestler, they call you the grappler. Beat me if 970 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.519 you can substitute the words Chail Saun and and you 971 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:41.519 have his catchphrase, yes very cool. So you know this guy, 972 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.559 this guy, this guy goes from you know, from the 973 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.360 early seventies all the way. You know, he's you know, 974 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.239 because of Chail Saun and he's relevant right now. So 975 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:52.719 even though you may not have heard of him, you know, 976 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:56.679 this book has got a million stories and you know, 977 00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.119 I'm not quite done with it, and it's great and 978 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:02.840 nothing you could have be way before I go. It's written. Uh, 979 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.239 you know the great it's the grappler stories. But there's 980 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.639 a writer for the book, as many wrestling books have, 981 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.599 and he's a reporter for a television station in Portland 982 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:16.400 and he is an excellent writer. So many wrestling books 983 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.559 just sound like someone dictated, you know, a tape recording, 984 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.480 and you know they're just kind of, you know, a 985 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.639 stream of consciousness. This is really well written. I think 986 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:30.840 this is the best written wrestling book since probably The 987 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.679 Queen of the Ring, the Story of Mildred Burke. I mean, 988 00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.159 this is a this is I in all honesty, I 989 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.719 did not expect much from this book because I thought 990 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:42.079 the grappler that that I had talked to in the 991 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.039 past was kind of a K fave guy and protected 992 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:48.199 the business. And I didn't expect much because it's self published. 993 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.599 But this is, you know, this is, in my opinion, 994 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.000 of a very top notch wrestling book. 995 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.599 I'm Kelly Wells host of PWT Talks NXT, the longest 996 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.599 running NXT podcast anywhere. Join me along with Nate Lindberg, 997 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.119 Bruce Lee, Hazelwood, and special guests, live every Tuesday night, 998 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.559 just minutes after NXT, where we cover the good, the bad, 999 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.599 and the ugly on the way to becoming a star 1000 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:21.440 in WWE. Check us out live on YouTube or stream later. 1001 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.960 Wherever you get your podcasts. 1002 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.280 Very good. We look forward to the interview on Friday. 1003 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.280 We especially want to call out to fans who watched 1004 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.199 the Grappler during his career are familiar with him. We 1005 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.639 have all age ranges listening to our show, and if 1006 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.679 you are a fan or have knowledge of his career 1007 00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:50.559 and you have specific questions and want to bring out 1008 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.039 some stories from him, feel free to call on the show. Jim, 1009 00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:55.760 I know you'll have no trouble filling your time with 1010 00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.719 a Grappler talking about stories that Grappler talked about on 1011 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.599 the book and extracting details and reactions from him. So 1012 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.800 we really look forward to that. If you have an 1013 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.840 email question for the Grappler because you can't listen or 1014 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.559 call live, the email address is PW Torchlive cast at 1015 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.079 gmail dot com. Just be sure to put in the 1016 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.320 subject line question for Grappler and we'll and Jim will 1017 00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:18.639 take a look at those and filtering questions ahead of time. 1018 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.320 So again the Grappler lend and comes on the PW 1019 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:23.880 Torch Livecast one Interview Friday, following in the footsteps of 1020 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.480 other legendary names who have been on the PW Torch 1021 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.800 Live Cast Interview Friday, like Jake Roberts, Teddy Biassi, JJ Dillon, 1022 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.239 Paul Bear, Jerry Jarrett, Tommy Young, Jimmy Hart, and Nikita 1023 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.880 Koloff and others. Those are all big names from the 1024 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.519 nineteen eighties and even the seventies. So I hope you'll 1025 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.440 check that out, Jim, thank you very much, Jim. I 1026 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:46.360 also hosted a wrestling radio show in the early two thousands. 1027 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:49.000 What was the full year range, Jim. 1028 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.360 Two thousand and two thousand and two. 1029 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:53.840 There you go. So during that, you know, roughly three 1030 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:59.199 year stretch, did a lot of radio called Total Cast Radio. 1031 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:03.400 We exclusively feature those shows for VIP members and we're 1032 00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:06.199 putting up one, maybe two shows per month right now. 1033 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:08.840 From that run in the early two thousands, kind of 1034 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.840 the tail end of the Attitude era. Really fascinating time 1035 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.679 to go back and listen to a familiar voice here 1036 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.559 for live cast listeners and a long long time pros 1037 00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:22.280 and Torch reader, and that is Jim Valley, with an 1038 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:26.440 award winning radio show host and those shows it's a 1039 00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:28.239 pocket a time where there's not a lot of audio. 1040 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:33.199 Frankly about pro wrestling preceded the PW Torch VIP section 1041 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.480 by just a couple of years, so it really does 1042 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.840 fit the pocket of time where there is an audio, 1043 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:41.239 and it's really really really cool to have access to 1044 00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:45.159 those and VIP members get to enjoy hearing kind of 1045 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.239 a smart for lack of better term, you know, insider 1046 00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.800 perspective on professional wrestling with special guests, live calls and 1047 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:55.079 Jim your your review and point of view on big 1048 00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:57.719 events during that time period, So a real perk going VIP. 1049 00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:01.239 PW torch dot Com slash go vi is the place 1050 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:02.360 to go if you want to sign up as a 1051 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.159 VIP member. Jim, thanks for taking time to come on 1052 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.360 and preview the show and I relud forward to listening 1053 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:07.840 on Friday. 1054 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.000 Ah Man, thanks guys, you guys have a great show 1055 00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.239 and talk to Jaden, Jason and Wade later. Man take 1056 00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:14.519 it easy. 1057 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.639 Sounds great, Thanks Jim. Thanks Javelli substitute hosting for me 1058 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:19.440 on Friday for the second time. I'll be out of 1059 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.480 town but hopefully listening to the show live and you 1060 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.000 can check his interview with Devon Dudley. I'm a few 1061 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.840 weeks back at pw torchlivecast dot com. When you go 1062 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.000 to pwet torchlivecast dot com, also you get to there 1063 00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.199 are links to our rssp So if you want to 1064 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.880 subscribe on your phone, if you've got Podbean on Android 1065 00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.199 or whatever app you use on Android, to get your 1066 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.199 Torch dot Com slash Go VIP is where you can 1067 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.400 sign up. It's ten bucks a month, not ninety nine, 1068 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:51.880 but ten dollars a month. To get on board with that, Jason, 1069 00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.559 I'm going to save our nine to ninety nine rant 1070 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.840 for the VIP after show. We'll give our thoughts on that. 1071 00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.960 I'm not even gonna tease tease it, but we'll just 1072 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.840 discuss that in the VIP after show. But we can 1073 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.320 get back to the phone lines and let's go to 1074 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.800 another VIP Express caller. This is VIP member Scott. Just 1075 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.159 confirm this is you and let us know the city 1076 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:11.800 you're callin from. 1077 00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:15.960 Today Anyway, this is Scott. I'm in james Burg, New Jersey. 1078 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:17.000 Proud VIP member. 1079 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:19.960 Excellent, Thank you, Scott. What's your favorite part about being VIP? 1080 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:24.519 If I may pry a plug out of you, well, I'll. 1081 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.440 Start by saying, Wade, you should have listened to me 1082 00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:28.639 with Bruce Mitchell last week because I did a big 1083 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.239 plug for the VIP said you want the live cast 1084 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.159 members to hear. Every true wrestling fan should go VIP. 1085 00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.719 I was a VIP member over ten years ago, got 1086 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.480 back into got back into wrestling. I'm one of those 1087 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:44.159 people that the WWE termed with the network for the 1088 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:48.559 lost fan, the last fan. Yeah, I'm the last family. 1089 00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.760 But I give all the credit to you guys from 1090 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:56.840 Ivory enthusiasm with wrestling, the Bruce Mitchell audio shows. I've 1091 00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:58.800 been working my way back. I'm into some stuff from 1092 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:00.960 two thousand and eight and to hear the history of 1093 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.039 the business with you and Bruce just talking and just 1094 00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:06.480 really give an insight into anything you can think of 1095 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.920 in the business. I would say for the last past 1096 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.119 fifty years, I heard you guys feeling a rant about 1097 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:16.880 wrestling before TV, what wrestling was like before TV, you know, 1098 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.599 reading the old newsletters. It helps fill in the gaps 1099 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.400 that you missed from you know, I stopped watching in 1100 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.639 two thousand and four. WRESTLINGIA twenty was the last pay 1101 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.400 per view I purchased. I got the net. I went 1102 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.159 VIP last July based on one of the sales you 1103 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:34.079 guys did that was in conjunction with the ass the 1104 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:40.360 Torch calling me each day. Yeah, and it just rekindled 1105 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:43.559 my love for the business. My wife, I'm can't get 1106 00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:47.239 over how much I'm back into wrestling. Considering our first 1107 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.960 nine years together, I wasn't touching anything with wrestling and 1108 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.360 the way I'm back involved and enjoying everything. Looking forward 1109 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.400 to talking to you guys and calling Bruce and Travis 1110 00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.960 on their audio show. But the Bruce Mitchell audio show 1111 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:03.880 was truly it's the best thing ever. The Startcare reviews 1112 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:07.159 he just did incredible even for someone who wasn't watching 1113 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.760 wrestling at that time. I was five years old in 1114 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:12.760 those starcades where and I really enjoyed reliving them through 1115 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:17.119 Bruce and just amazing and Wade. Everything you do, You're 1116 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:19.960 just such, You're so on top of everything. I had 1117 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.039 a problem with my subscription. I sent you an email 1118 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:23.440 when you were speaking to some of those old live 1119 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:27.480 cast interviews to interview with Jim Ross in May. I 1120 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:29.840 had a problem with my subscription with my credit card. 1121 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.559 You were quick enough got back to me that within 1122 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.519 an hour, reconnecting my password and everything to get me 1123 00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.280 through so I could hear all that stuff that weekend. 1124 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.480 It was the weekend of a paper on a WWE special, 1125 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.880 but you were just there for your customers, and any 1126 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.119 true wrestling fan should go vi Ida. 1127 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:50.559 Well, I didn't expect that, Scott when I asked, but 1128 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.719 thank you. I brought a smile to my face. And 1129 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.599 I really appreciate, uh, really appreciate you saying what you 1130 00:52:55.599 --> 00:53:00.000 said there. I know you called for a reasoning as well. 1131 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.719 What it's called about. I'm a network subscriber, guys, and 1132 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.199 just like you guys, I've been fascinated just with the 1133 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.679 what's everything with the network. I've talked to Bruce a 1134 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.199 couple of times about ways to improve the network, and 1135 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.599 I enjoyed the Bruce Mitch audio show about a month 1136 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.559 ago where you guys spent like ninety minutes just how 1137 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.239 to make the network better. And I just have a 1138 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:22.800 couple of things and questions for you guys. The first 1139 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.679 question I have is this with the Rogers Network deal, 1140 00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:28.920 one of my biggest disappointments is a network subscriber. Is 1141 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:33.039 there's no structure to the live I know you guys 1142 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.519 have talked about it. You know it started, you know 1143 00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.280 the Tuesday nights you have the WrestleMania rewinds and you 1144 00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:41.800 have the countdown, and you have your main event. You know, 1145 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.559 then you have your superstars on Thursday n Next Team 1146 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.800 and Saturday night's the behind you know they showed the 1147 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:51.679 documentaries with the behind the Ring. But the fact is 1148 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.039 network now going on six months. The fact that there's 1149 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:56.960 still no structure, that there's no If I tune in 1150 00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.000 every Saturday night it's six o five, I should be 1151 00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.320 able to see something that like built in, like the 1152 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:04.800 old WCW on TVs or I mean the Saturday night 1153 00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:08.199 Saturday Night's main event or just like you've always said, Wade, 1154 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.039 when am I going to get on a Wednesday night 1155 00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.400 eight o'clock every week I can watch Mid South Wrestling, 1156 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.199 or every Friday night at seven o'clock I can turn 1157 00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.280 on and I can watch Old AWA. The fact that 1158 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.039 there's no structure and we're now six months in is 1159 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:24.519 a big problem, and I'm wondering if the fact that 1160 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.280 the Rogers deal in Canada, if it's going to be 1161 00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:29.800 on cable, are they just going to show the live feed? 1162 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.199 Is that all they're going to get? And does that 1163 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.079 lead to more structure for the network. 1164 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:41.639 You don't have to wait for the way Keller Prog 1165 00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:43.519 Wrestling post show to find out what I thought of 1166 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:45.880 Monday Night Raw and SmackDown. Each week, you can check 1167 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.719 out my reports that are updated live throughout Raw and 1168 00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:53.079 SmackDown at pwtorch dot com. I written report will tell 1169 00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.440 you what's happening in detail in case you missed the show, 1170 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.400 and it'll all also analyze key segments and give my 1171 00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:02.360 random thoughts quips on what I am watching as it airs. 1172 00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.559 So check it out every Monday night and Tuesday night 1173 00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:09.239 at pwtorch dot com. That also applies to WWE pay 1174 00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:11.719 per views. I cover those live at pw torch dot 1175 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.320 com with a detailed written report with star rating. And 1176 00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:16.440 of course you can find other TV reports from other 1177 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:20.519 contributors to PW torch such as nxt roh, Impact Wrestling 1178 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.440 and more. Check it out pw torch dot com your 1179 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:26.639 first stop for TV and pay per view written reports 1180 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.559 no great topics. I you know, yes, because when you 1181 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.239 subscribe online to the over the top method in the US, 1182 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.519 you have access to anything anytime. And I think WWE 1183 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:55.000 has has let has not been as serious about making 1184 00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:57.719 destination programming, like you said, in terms of a structure 1185 00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.920 and a schedule, because they figure, what's the big deal? 1186 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:01.480 You know how lazy they have to be to not 1187 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:03.039 just click through the menu and pick something out. Why 1188 00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:05.679 would you even watch our live stream? Well, they should 1189 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.000 give you a reason to watch the live stream because 1190 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:10.079 you make it a communal experience. And then one of 1191 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:11.079 the things and I won't go into all of it, 1192 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:12.719 but you're right, Bruce and I talked at length about this, 1193 00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.039 and one of the things they can do is utilize 1194 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:20.519 Hulk Hogan, for instance, to give exclusive introductions and break 1195 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.639 in in the middle of a show of an old 1196 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:26.159 WW pay per view or an old Saturday Night's Made 1197 00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.039 event and do a break in. They don't have a 1198 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:30.639 ninety minute Saturday Night's Made event minus commercials, is you 1199 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:33.760 know what, sixty two minutes or something? Have Hogan do 1200 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.159 have some commentary sitting at a table, use Tom Phillips 1201 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:42.400 or Renee Young or anybody. I mean in WWE, sit 1202 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.079 down with Hulk, spend a day and sit down and 1203 00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:48.519 actually watch it with him and have him react to 1204 00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.079 things and splice that into the show and premiere it. 1205 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.159 So you go, you know, Wednesday night, we're gonna air 1206 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.880 Sentate's made event number three and it's when Hulk Hogan 1207 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:57.840 took on Big Boss Man in a cage. I don't 1208 00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:59.559 know what what was number three, but whatever it was, 1209 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.199 and say, and Hogan's going to be sitting in uh 1210 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.440 interviewed with Tom watching the show with Tom Phillips breaking 1211 00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.159 in with commentary, do a director's cut type thing. If 1212 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:11.719 not that, at least when something airs on Saturday night 1213 00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:17.920 or Sunday night, have a communal Twitter where you have 1214 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:23.039 hashtag WWE network, you know sat for Saturday or you 1215 00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:25.280 know whatever, and you can at least have an ongoing 1216 00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.039 discussion and have somebody sitting there putting the tweets that 1217 00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.440 people are saying while it's airing live on there. There's 1218 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:31.920 just there's a lot of things they could be doing 1219 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:34.760 to make it feel more like a happening. And again, 1220 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.239 Bruce and I talked at length, and there are a 1221 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.760 lot of other ideas, and Jason, it does seem like 1222 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.599 they've lacked creativity in that regard to make it feel 1223 00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:43.400 like when you're if you're not watching the network, you're 1224 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.199 missing out on kind of a party. WW is so 1225 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:49.159 effective with WW Nitro by having Nitro parties and sending 1226 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.719 Gene Okerland or or the lately Martial Art out to 1227 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:54.679 you know, these college parties and these get togethers, and 1228 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:55.880 they made it seem like the place to be and 1229 00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:58.119 the thing to do. And I just think they've they've 1230 00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:02.440 done a thirty five percent job of promoting the easy, 1231 00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:05.599 cheap stuff to make the thirty five percent of the 1232 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.320 obvious stuff they've done, but they're sixty five percent more marketing. 1233 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:10.880 That to me is just obvious and just a brainstorming 1234 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:14.559 session and a few dollars away from making happen. So, anyway, 1235 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.440 your thoughts on that, and then also, do you have 1236 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.440 any knowledge yet of the of the Rogers cable on 1237 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.199 demand library situation. 1238 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.840 I'll start with Rogers. If I understanding is that there's 1239 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:26.039 going to be some on demand content. I don't know 1240 00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:27.519 if it's going to be through I assume they have 1241 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.079 their own on demand platform as well, but they're also 1242 00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:34.079 going to at some point. They kind of made it 1243 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.000 seem like during the conference call that they hope to 1244 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.880 have basically what we have available now the app version 1245 00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:44.480 of it available in Canada as well, So I'm not 1246 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.800 it's a bit confusing. I say, it's something I definitely 1247 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.440 want to talk with WWEPR about now. I'll try to 1248 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:51.599 get some more details on that. 1249 00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:53.960 But the idea is if you're thinking and you're hearing 1250 00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:56.480 that if you subscribe to Rogers Cable, they will give 1251 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.920 you access to watch on your mobile devices. 1252 00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:03.360 I'm not quite sure how that exactly is going to work. 1253 00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:05.280 I would assume that's it. I don't think they're going to, 1254 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.559 you know, basically compete with Rogers for their own product. 1255 00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:11.039 I'm sure Rogers was smart enough to make sure that's 1256 00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:13.519 not going to happen, so I'm not that that would be. 1257 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.079 My guess though, is yeah, you can. You don't have 1258 00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:19.760 to watch it on Rogers necessarily, but you know, I 1259 00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.000 think we'll have a better idea here in a matter 1260 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.320 of days. I guess August twelfth, I think, is when 1261 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.159 that thing when it launches, and you know, that's one 1262 00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.559 to watch because I do think there are people that 1263 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.320 if it were available on their television and they didn't 1264 00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.800 have to go get a device or just take the 1265 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.239 various approaches to getting it. Would would would have subscribed 1266 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.039 for this, it haven't. So if that model is very successful, 1267 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.880 I'm curious to see if they look to expand that 1268 00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:48.960 that model elsewhere outside of Canada. As far as the network, 1269 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.679 to me, it's just get me more now. That continues 1270 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.760 to be my biggest gripe about the network, and there 1271 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.719 are many. I mean, it's a you can't beat the 1272 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.679 price for considering the pay per views alone, but outside 1273 01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:04.159 of you know, what incentive do I have to turn 1274 01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.920 on the network today? There should be some Why isn't there? 1275 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:08.119 You know? 1276 01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:10.920 My big thing is give me a two three five 1277 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.920 minute news update at the top of the hour, just 1278 01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:15.760 to get me going there. And it can be like 1279 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.599 the old MTV news where okay, sometimes you're gonna see 1280 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:20.480 a repeat from earlier today. I don't expect them to 1281 01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:22.639 sit there twenty four hours a day, but give me 1282 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.159 some incentive to turn that to turn it on. And 1283 01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.920 I don't expect her to be Bombshelle News at the 1284 01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.199 top of every hour, but give me a little something 1285 01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:32.199 that makes me feel current, makes me feel like, oh, 1286 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.000 I need to turn this on right now because because 1287 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:36.480 or at the you know, the top of the hour, 1288 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.239 because there might be something there that maybe they're gonna 1289 01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:41.079 announce a pay per view match, maybe you're gonna announce 1290 01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:43.679 a match for Raw. There's just there's really no incentive 1291 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.639 for that. It's the only thing now, it feels like 1292 01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.480 that they have is you go there for the pay 1293 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.039 per views, you go there for NXT and you know 1294 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.960 what else. Way I mean, there's I guess the Raw 1295 01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:59.920 pre show and everything else is this great back catalog, 1296 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.079 and that's nice, and they can certainly do a better 1297 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:04.480 job of laying that out as well. But I just 1298 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.639 I think that's where they're really missing right now. It's 1299 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:12.840 the platform is a young man's platform, and here they're 1300 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.280 giving their younger audience that you would think you would 1301 01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:18.480 want to hook on this network a lot of old 1302 01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.199 material and not nearly enough new. 1303 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:23.239 It's one of my big disappointments is they haven't done 1304 01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:26.039 that live studio call in show. You know, I if 1305 01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.719 they just had a two hour live show from you know, 1306 01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:30.960 five to seven Eastern or yeah, I guess I'd be 1307 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:32.440 head to head with us. But whatever, you know, like 1308 01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:35.440 doing something at a point kids get home or guy, 1309 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:37.519 you know, people get home from school, get home from work. 1310 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:41.000 Every day you're like, you know what, there's something live 1311 01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.440 happening right now. I can put it on my iPad, 1312 01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:46.719 my laptop. I can put my headphones in at the 1313 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.960 college library and log into the internet and stream it. 1314 01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:51.360 I can go to the coffee shop and do it. 1315 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:52.840 Or I can sit at home with my Apple TV 1316 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:56.199 box or whatever Roku and turn it on and it's 1317 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:59.599 happening right now. And they're talking about the gruesome Paul 1318 01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.880 George injury and comparing it to other big wrestling injuries 1319 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:05.960 over the years and different recoveries of athletes, and you 1320 01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:08.440 mix and you talk about Guardians of the Galaxy and 1321 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:10.280 Batista and his role in it, and people calling in 1322 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:12.760 and reviewing it. And then you also have a part 1323 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.039 of the show where you go, hey, coming up, we 1324 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:17.000 just added Senate It's made Event to the network. Let's 1325 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.039 bring in Hacksaud Jim Doug and talk about some of 1326 01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:21.639 his his matches on sentence Made Event and what to 1327 01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:23.679 look for and what it was like. You know, going 1328 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:28.199 from syndicated TV to NBC Saturday Night's a completely different 1329 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:32.000 larger platform for WWE exposure, bringing Roddy Piper to talk 1330 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:34.519 about that era on the show. There's so many possibilities, 1331 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:36.960 and I think that would make people feel like they're 1332 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:38.880 not you know, when you subscribe to the network, it's 1333 01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.280 you get the pay per views and you get basically 1334 01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:47.440 access to a Blockbuster store or you know. I guess 1335 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:50.000 Netflix would be a more contemper example of all wrestling stuff. 1336 01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.400 And that's great, and seven hundred thousand people are for that, 1337 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.000 but I think there's hundreds of thousands of people out 1338 01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:58.400 there who want their wrestling fix every day. And if 1339 01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:00.880 we were I think if w do we plugged our show, 1340 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:02.559 which they would never do. You know, they have no 1341 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:04.719 interest in doing so when I understand that, but if 1342 01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:09.000 they plugged our show, we would grow huge because talking 1343 01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:13.559 wrestling live every day with callers with a variety I guess, 1344 01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:15.480 a variety of host, a variety of subjects, a variety 1345 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.639 of perspectives, and we're on every day Monday through Friday live. 1346 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:20.519 Nobody else does that in pro wrestling, and I just 1347 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:25.000 think it would take off huge. And wwbe's chosen not 1348 01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:26.480 to do that, and I don't think it would be 1349 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:30.280 that expensive and if they showed on Ron SmackDown clips 1350 01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:33.519 of variety Piper sitting down live with callers, You're seeing 1351 01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.079 it with everybody else, You're commenting on Twitter with everybody 1352 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:39.000 else as it happens. I just think you would have 1353 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.440 a lot more engaged users and people would thus get 1354 01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:44.840 addicted to it, and if their credit card expired, or 1355 01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.559 their or their PayPal ran out of funds, or they 1356 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:48.840 canceled after six months for some reason, they would be like, 1357 01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:50.840 I need back, I need to get that back. And 1358 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.159 now it sort of feels like, well, if I let 1359 01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:55.800 it laps, I can always go back and you know, 1360 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:57.519 sign up again if I'm in the mood to watch 1361 01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.840 wrestling for a couple of months, you know, all this extra. 1362 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.679 But now it's football season and I don't know. I 1363 01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.000 just there's so much more they could be doing for 1364 01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:07.840 not that much money, and it feels like they're pulling 1365 01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:10.760 back at a time when they should be adding. And 1366 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.280 I think they're being penny smart and dollar foolish in 1367 01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:13.880 that process. 1368 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.599 Absolutely, and you know, and chiming in on that older 1369 01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:21.519 content as well, just expand the library. I mean, how 1370 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.920 many of the same episodes of ECW are you going 1371 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:25.239 to show at four o'clock in the morning. 1372 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:28.519 Oh right, yep, No, I know, I know. 1373 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:36.039 I'm Chris Maitland and I'm Justin mcclellands. We host Wrestling 1374 01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:38.360 Coast to Coast, where we scour the wrestling scene to 1375 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.400 find the best wrestling from the smallest places. 1376 01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:43.519 There are thousands of matches happening every week, so Wrestling 1377 01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:45.719 Coast to Coast is here to discover the men and 1378 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.119 women who could be big time stars in a few years. 1379 01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:50.559 There are plenty of podcasts to voters at w W 1380 01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:53.760 and AW, but what's happening in the armories and gymnasiums 1381 01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:55.800 local wrestling hotspots around the country. 1382 01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:58.079 We can't wait to help you find the true hidden 1383 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.320 gyms of the wrestling world. Plus, you can hear Chris 1384 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:02.320 complained about bad referees. 1385 01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:04.159 And justin bemoaning dogpole fins. 1386 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:06.719 Don't forget my feudal search to see a blue Thunderbomb 1387 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:07.280 win a match. 1388 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:08.800 How can I like? 1389 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:11.519 The name says we cover the hottest independent promotions from 1390 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.800 around the country, So just as Prestige Action, West Coast, 1391 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:16.920 Pro Revolver and Beyond Wrestling. 1392 01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:20.039 Actually, Chris, I think we stick pretty much to wrestling. 1393 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:22.119 No, I mean Beyond Wrestling out of Wooster, Oh right. 1394 01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:24.880 Our show's part of the PW Torch Daily Cast lineup 1395 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:27.920 and typically drops on Thursdays. Search PW Torch in your 1396 01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:30.880 podcast app a, subscribe to the PW Torch Daily Cast, 1397 01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:34.239 or stream our shows directly from PW touch dot com. 1398 01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:39.000 Find full details on the PW Torchdailycast lineup at Pwtrchdailycast 1399 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:39.519 dot com. 1400 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:49.159 Scott appreciate the call. 1401 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:52.119 Anything else you want to ask, I just want to 1402 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:54.760 say last thing, just thanks for your response, and I 1403 01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:56.800 did you were saying. That's part VFP. I didn't get 1404 01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:00.400 to finish going through to go to be a companion 1405 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.039 into the network lade. When you don't know what's going on, 1406 01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:05.320 if you read the back issues you go, you can 1407 01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:08.719 get yourself filled in for anything you missed. And that's 1408 01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:10.360 one thing I've been doing. I've been going through two 1409 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:12.800 thousand and four right now, watching the pay per views, 1410 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.400 reading the back issues to see the progressions of storylines. 1411 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:17.199 No one does it better than the Torch, No one 1412 01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:19.360 does it better than you. Way, Jason, You're awesome as well. 1413 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:21.239 And the last thing I'll say though, is what you 1414 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:23.199 just said. Guys one last thing that they can do 1415 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:26.960 so easy, that costs nothing. Why don't we spend like 1416 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.480 a fifth, you know, thirty seconds an hour on raw 1417 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.760 saying hey, this debuted this week on the the network. 1418 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.119 He's Saturday Night's main event from you know, I just 1419 01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.239 saw they posted more Storday Knightsman event show, a fifteen 1420 01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:43.039 second clip of whoever you want? Yeah, show that, let 1421 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.800 the young audience see that, and just to promote the network. 1422 01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:49.079 It's like you know, how on HBO when you go 1423 01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:51.880 in between the shows, they'll show things that are coming 1424 01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:53.559 up that you know, some things that are going to 1425 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:55.960 be on the network. You know, if you've ever watch 1426 01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:58.679 like let's say, of programming ends on WWE network at 1427 01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.679 fifty three after they'll show you some things like they 1428 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:03.400 did it a little bit for the new Satay Night's 1429 01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:07.039 main events, and it's coming promote what you have. You 1430 01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:10.000 have so much, you have so much in that ball, 1431 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:12.639 you know, just I know you're letting it out in 1432 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:15.480 pieces and it's a ten year plan. And I totally 1433 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:17.480 agree with you. Wage you've always made that reference to 1434 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.719 the car wash down the street from your house. This 1435 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:22.199 isn't an overnight thing. This isn't going to be we 1436 01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:23.920 put the network on there and boom, we're a thirty 1437 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:27.760 million subscribers. It's going to take time, and you know, 1438 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.400 but use what you have, use the resources you have, 1439 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:33.199 and I know that they're trying. I agree with what 1440 01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:36.199 you just said. It's penny wise, dollars foolish. Spend to 1441 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:38.840 make money, you must spend money. And I agree their 1442 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:41.159 corporate so they have to be looking out for Wall Street. 1443 01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:44.320 But there has to be ways, and I agree with you, Jason. 1444 01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.679 The value nine ninety nine a month, it's great. It's 1445 01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.800 a great value, but there's so much more they can do. 1446 01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:52.880 It has so much potential, and it just doesn't feel 1447 01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.159 like they're putting all into it that they even put 1448 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:57.400 into the w From what it sounds like to the 1449 01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.159 WWE classics on demands, sounded like there was more rhyme 1450 01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.079 or reason in scheduling with that which monthly. You know, 1451 01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:06.679 I'm like, say, wait, I called it April when they 1452 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:09.000 were doing a weekly special this is the Warrior Week, 1453 01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:11.079 than they did the whole theme week and then they 1454 01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:14.039 dropped it nothing else since why not do something like that. 1455 01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:16.920 I think it's a god. I think it's the I 1456 01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.760 think it's a shiny new toy syndrome, and they had 1457 01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.840 such high hopes and they wanted to be fast and easy. 1458 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:25.760 They just they wanted it. And now they don't want 1459 01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:29.079 to work really hard to add five and ten thousand 1460 01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:32.319 people per month. They they you know, they're they're growing, 1461 01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:34.640 you know, counting the offset of drop offs, are growing 1462 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.319 at about one thousand a week. And if that's the number, 1463 01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:39.079 that that's the number they're growing by. And that's going 1464 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:40.960 to searge for SummerSlam, and that's going to search for 1465 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:43.399 the Royal Rumble. Assuming the Row rumbles on the network, 1466 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:46.720 they're gonna have surges. They they haven't had that that 1467 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:51.479 that WrestleMania week type search. So I wasn't shocked by 1468 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.800 the lower numbers, uh in terms of subscriber count. And 1469 01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:57.640 if you only listen to the Tuesday live cast, you know, 1470 01:08:57.680 --> 01:08:59.479 that's kind of your main way to keep up on wrestling. 1471 01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:02.159 There's a lot of other stuff going on, so definitely 1472 01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:05.479 check out other podcasts that we've done, and obviously the websites, 1473 01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:07.479 and if you're a VIP member, you're certainly up to 1474 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.239 speed with a Bruce Mitchelladio show and Wade Killer hotliner 1475 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:12.720 on dot net the dot Net Weekly Show and Jason's 1476 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.640 Q and A and everything else. But last week was 1477 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:18.880 a huge week for news with the WWB financials being released, 1478 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:21.880 and that seven hundred thousand subscriber number is alarming to 1479 01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:23.960 some people, but to me, what it says is it's 1480 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:26.279 worth doing all of these things we talked about, Scott, 1481 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:28.920 because they all they need to do is turn that 1482 01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.319 thousand into three thousand people a week signing up, and 1483 01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:34.359 there's going to be two thousand people who are excited 1484 01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:36.479 about some of the things that you're saying that are 1485 01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:39.720 on the fence, and they just aren't bothering. 1486 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:43.680 Wade. You said it before. It's the niche. The network 1487 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.920 should be all about a niche. If you can grab 1488 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.039 four thousand people who are excited to watch Stampede Ratsley, 1489 01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:52.640 you can grab three thousand people who would tune in 1490 01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:56.640 for Tuesday Night Titans, and you can maybe but wait, 1491 01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:58.199 it's just so much. You know, you were saying the 1492 01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:00.880 younger audience, Jason, this is just a thing, and I'm like, 1493 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:04.640 this might sound it ridiculous wrestling, you know, think I'm 1494 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:07.520 an elementary school teacher just like Bruce, and I know 1495 01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:11.000 how many students are into wrestling. Okay, little ideas like 1496 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:13.640 marketing wise, do a tie in with Toys r US 1497 01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:17.000 and be able to purchase six months to the network 1498 01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:19.319 for your at Toys br US and maybe Toys r 1499 01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:21.560 US takes a twenty dollars hit. But you know what 1500 01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.399 you can get people in to me this is you know, 1501 01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:26.239 you go and Toys r US and you see all 1502 01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:29.359 the WWE paraphernalian things that they sell there, the belts, 1503 01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:31.840 the wrestling dollars, all that stuff. Well, you know what 1504 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.640 put something so someone like you know, my uncle, I'm 1505 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:36.439 going to buy my nephew a president. I know he 1506 01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:39.359 loves WWE. Well that would be cool. I combined six 1507 01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:42.239 months of WWE network for sixty dollars. All he has 1508 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:44.680 to do is type in the code. That's more money 1509 01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:46.960 for Titan and a kid when that runs out in 1510 01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:49.600 six months. If they love the network, they love the product, 1511 01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:51.880 they're gonna want to keep that. Yeah, there are so 1512 01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:55.800 many little things that can be done. And again there's 1513 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:59.239 so much potential. And you know, I always think, though 1514 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:01.720 I look back with you to do as a VIP member, 1515 01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:03.479 you do things chronologically. 1516 01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:04.520 Wait, yeah, you do. 1517 01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:07.000 Things there's in order. There's a rhyme or reason. There 1518 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:09.199 is none what they should look when they do the 1519 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:12.199 live feed. When you do this dat in history. You 1520 01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:13.880 know you said it best when we were saying with 1521 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:17.159 the Great American Bashes, why aren't you having Summer Slam 1522 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:20.600 Summer Slam month? Every day at a certain time, put 1523 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:22.479 up the summer you know, just like I said, Jason, 1524 01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:24.159 how many times do I want to watch the same 1525 01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:27.319 that so the superstars on the live feed? Yea one, 1526 01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:31.680 put Summer Slam ninety seven up there. Put up Summer Slam. 1527 01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:33.199 You know, do a chronologically. 1528 01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:35.439 You're doing whatever you want, Scott, I got, I got 1529 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:36.439 shared all your time. Guys. 1530 01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:38.800 Yeah, I appreciate it very much. I appreciate your passion 1531 01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:41.439 and all your ideas. And hopefully somebody in WWE listens 1532 01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:45.439 and uh and goes to the trouble to do this. Jason, 1533 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.359 I know they have all these budget cutbacks. I know 1534 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:49.520 they're worried about short term results in Wall Street, and 1535 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:52.720 it's you know, everybody is everybody's being caught. You know, 1536 01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:57.720 Ricardo Roderiguez is gone, and and it's just but it's 1537 01:11:57.800 --> 01:11:59.840 a shame that it seems like they are being pennywise 1538 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:01.319 and they're foolish right now with the network. 1539 01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:04.479 Oh absolutely, I mean that this is the time for 1540 01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:07.439 them to invest in. I don't think the things we're 1541 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:09.199 proposing would cost them a lot of money. 1542 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:10.439 I mean, I'm saying, yeah. 1543 01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:12.760 Surely you have someone at your studio in Stanford that 1544 01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.720 could serve as the host for what I'm proposing, and 1545 01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:17.840 then really just kind of cleaning things up and just 1546 01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.439 having a little more order to that live stream. I mean, 1547 01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:22.159 for a while there, I'm just like, what purpose does 1548 01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:25.479 the live stream serve? I know it's clearly not going away, 1549 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:28.840 given the approach they're taking in Canada, but I didn't 1550 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.800 quite I just put up a link to the pay 1551 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:33.840 per view and you can still stream it live on 1552 01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:37.720 the you know, on your network platform, but it doesn't 1553 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:39.560 have to really be a live feed. And now that 1554 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.039 we know it's sticking, it's time for them to really 1555 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:43.239 step up and do more with that. 1556 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:47.039 Very good. I want to note that Jim Valley's Interview 1557 01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:50.079 with a Grappler will be starting at a special time 1558 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:54.319 on Friday. The show will be starting at six thirty Eastern, 1559 01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:57.520 so starting an hour later than normal. Normally the show 1560 01:12:57.560 --> 01:12:59.720 starts at five thirty, but Grappler had another radio inter 1561 01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:03.000 your talking about his book locally in the Portland area. 1562 01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:05.920 I believe during our normal time slot, so there'll be 1563 01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.039 a rare time shift, So this Friday, The Grappler Lendett 1564 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:12.119 and You'll be on with PW Torch Live Cast guest 1565 01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:16.399 host Jim Valley this Friday, six thirty Eastern five thirty 1566 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.279 Central time. And you can send email questions for the 1567 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:23.000 Grappler to PW Torch Live Cast at gmail dot com. 1568 01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:26.359 PW torch dot com. Slash go vip is where you 1569 01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:28.000 go not to sign up for a VIP membership but 1570 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.760 also our newsletter. 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Plus I'll have excerpts of 1589 01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:22.920 my interview with Hernetez last week, so if you didn't 1590 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.000 catch that, I'll be pulling out some key quotes and 1591 01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.560 adding wrap around a commentary for me in page two Radar. 1592 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:33.680 Page two Radar usually features exclusive quotes from people in 1593 01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.399 the wrestling business in one form or another, talking about 1594 01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:39.960 a hot topic in wrestling, and sometimes there's some off record, 1595 01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:44.359 inside backstage information tossed into so that's part of the mix. 1596 01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:47.279 Plus the Torch news Wire, I take the top stories 1597 01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:50.119 of the week, add some details, add some analysis, put 1598 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:52.920 it in chronological order. 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So I'm going to go to 1644 01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:11.479 my messenger. 1645 01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:12.960 And I wish I could to help you, because he 1646 01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:14.560 did try to call me today, but that was when 1647 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:16.159 I was out in my on my quest for the 1648 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:17.079 Paul aim And DVD. 1649 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:20.039 I was at an Indian buffet eating a late lunch 1650 01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:23.479 when he called me. Todd Kennelly and Evolved Champion Chris Hero, 1651 01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:26.880 So that should be good. That is on tomorrow show, 1652 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:29.039 Pat McNeil. We talked about in your Friday a Lot. 1653 01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:33.359 Pat McNeil has interviews every Wednesday and all start panel 1654 01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:36.439 discussions and you can check that out tomorrow. Todd Kennelly, 1655 01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:40.640 former t and A announcer and then Evolve Champion Chris 1656 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:44.039 Hero on the show with him tomorrow. James Caldwell likely 1657 01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:46.760 co hosting with Greg Parks on Thursday, and then Jim 1658 01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:49.960 Valley guest hosting an hour later. Star time that's important. 1659 01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:53.560 Six thirty Eastern, five thirty Central this Friday with It 1660 01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:55.760 should be a really really good interview. A guy who's 1661 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:57.359 seen a lot, been around a lot, and has a 1662 01:17:57.439 --> 01:17:59.119 lot of stories to tell. And Jim has read his book, 1663 01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:01.680 he'll know what question to ask to bring out some 1664 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.039 great stories, some behind the scenes stories about life on 1665 01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.319 the road with some top names over the decades. The 1666 01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:08.840 Grappler On with Jim Valley this Friday. Don't forget to 1667 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:12.159 check out my interview with Hernandez last Friday created a 1668 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:15.840 lot of buzz. Two hours with Hernandez the full VIP show, 1669 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:18.359 but nearly an hour and a half free for VFP. 1670 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.920 Excuse me for PW Torch livecast listeners at PW torchlivecast 1671 01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:24.680 dot com. Two weeks ago, Booker t was my guest. 1672 01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:28.199 Three weeks ago, Devon Dudley was Jim Vally's guest, and 1673 01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:31.520 Drew McIntyre his only I think still to this date 1674 01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:35.000 is only Wrestling Journalists Podcast interview to date, a really 1675 01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:37.680 good interview with Drew McIntyre. If you haven't checked that out, 1676 01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:39.560 please go back and check it out and you can 1677 01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:41.760 go all the way back to say the week right 1678 01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:44.000 after WrestleMania thirty for my interview with Stone Cold Steve 1679 01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:46.079 Austin with his first public comments about the death of 1680 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.439 Ultimate Warrior and what happened at Usmania thirty, including the 1681 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:54.520 brock Lesnar loss. So so so much worth listening to 1682 01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:56.520 and checking out. We thank you for your support of 1683 01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:59.199 this show. If you are subscribing to us on iTunes, 1684 01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:01.279 please leave the five star score and a review. It 1685 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:04.199 helps keep us up on the search results and the 1686 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:07.680 podcast rankings. I don't say that much, but if you've 1687 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:10.279 got thirty forty seconds to go, do that on iTunes, 1688 01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:12.960 that would be fantastic. Subscribe, give us five star rating, 1689 01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:15.159 give a quick positive review if you like what we 1690 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.880 do here at PW Towards Live cast. All right, on 1691 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.760 that note, Waite Teller thanking our callers stay really good 1692 01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:23.600 group of callers and appreciate all our listeners. And on 1693 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.960 the other side of the music, we will have the 1694 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:28.720 the after show. Jason, Paul and I have got some 1695 01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:31.760 good email topics waiting for us, and we're going to 1696 01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:33.720 talk about the nine ninety nine thing yesterday and too 1697 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:35.680 and try to make sense of that. So Jason, thank 1698 01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:36.159 you very much. 1699 01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:37.119 Hey, thank you. 1700 01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:09.399 Not all right where now in the VIPU after show 1701 01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:14.399 portion of program, I've been talking about this. It stuck 1702 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:17.800 out to me for weeks. Now it becomes more and 1703 01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:19.680 more relevant. A lot of people just wrote it off 1704 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:21.960 initially as well as you know, they're just saying the 1705 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:23.359 end of the year, because the six months I wouldake 1706 01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:24.680 you to the end of the year, now a six 1707 01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:27.760 months ww ME network subtakes you into February Passorial rumble. 1708 01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.600 They continue to, very very specifically, Jason say that a 1709 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:34.119 network subscription gets you every pay per view through the 1710 01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.680 end of the year. What is up with that, Jason? 1711 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.479 What's your information on possible changes in what you get 1712 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:40.520 with a network subscription. 1713 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:43.279 I don't have any info, but believe me, it's idea. 1714 01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.359 It is also on the list for WWEPR and I 1715 01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:46.880 don't know we're going to get a straight answer on 1716 01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:51.399 that one, but it's very If they really are going 1717 01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:54.199 to just move forward with all pay per views being 1718 01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:56.720 on the network, it certainly is strange wording on their part, 1719 01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:00.520 and they have to know that. It's not just there's 1720 01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:02.800 plenty of people going, wait a minute, what does this mean? 1721 01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:04.720 What are you doing? What? 1722 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:05.920 I wait? 1723 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:09.359 I mean, that's their WrestleMania, the Rumble, and Summer Slam. 1724 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:12.119 Seemed like there are three key annual times to just 1725 01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:16.600 drive up network subscriptions. And if you take the pay 1726 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.840 per views away, even if it's just for instance, say 1727 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:22.039 it is just WrestleMania, you're going to lose people. There's 1728 01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:23.560 going to be a lot of people that are bitter 1729 01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:25.880 and just say I'm done, I'm out, I don't need this, 1730 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:26.479 forget it. 1731 01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:30.880 And all they had to do we talked about this 1732 01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:37.800 is is say WrestleMania last year was as a special 1733 01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:40.760 bonus for network subscribers. We're including WrestleMania this year. Yeah, 1734 01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:42.720 and that's you know, that's it, and not make a 1735 01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:44.279 big deal out of it, but make it clear that 1736 01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:46.000 you know what we may or may not. You know, 1737 01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:47.720 you don't have to be specific. We may or may 1738 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:51.760 not give you WrestleMania next year. But it is uh, 1739 01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:53.840 it is peculiar language. I think they're trying to keep 1740 01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:58.960 their options open. My my hunch may be slightly educated hunch. 1741 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:01.119 And as far as it goes, I think WWE's keeping 1742 01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:02.560 things kind of close to the best. I just don't 1743 01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:04.399 think they've decided yet, and I just don't think they 1744 01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:08.119 want to make promises about including the world rumbled And 1745 01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:09.399 I think what they're gonna do is they're going to 1746 01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:12.119 learn this month with SummerSlam, how much can we grow? 1747 01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.159 How did we get ninety eight percent of people who 1748 01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:15.680 are going to be interested for the next two years 1749 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:18.079 when we offered Restlemania thirty for nine ninety nine? Or 1750 01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:21.760 are we going to see incremental but only occasional surges 1751 01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:24.880 and subs and SummerSlam is surge number two? And if 1752 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:27.079 they get an extra two hundred and fifty thousand people 1753 01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.720 to subscribe this month because seeing a Lesnard, they do 1754 01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:33.479 a stellar job promoting it and it's SummerSlam and people 1755 01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:35.479 are gung ho, and a lot of people who dropped off, 1756 01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:38.880 you know, sign back up. Then WWE is going to say, oh, 1757 01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:41.039 let's stick with what we're doing. You know, let's just 1758 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:43.159 stick with what we're doing. We'll include rumbling Mania next year. 1759 01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:45.319 But if they go through SummerSlam and they end up 1760 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:47.800 at seven hundred eight thousand or seven hundred forty thousand, 1761 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:51.359 and it's just a relatively small increase and they kind 1762 01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:52.920 of paste it out and go crap, you know, we 1763 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:57.760 really did kind of saturate. We got most people we're 1764 01:22:57.760 --> 01:22:59.479 going to get when we in the first month and 1765 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:01.359 it's going to be really slow from here. They might 1766 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:03.640 just look at twenty fifteen and go, we need WrestleMania 1767 01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:05.600 to be a separate event. We need that money back. 1768 01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.359 We think we can still get, you know, cable companies 1769 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.760 to come back on board if we offer them WrestleMania 1770 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:13.880 as an exclusive and that gets them back on board. 1771 01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:15.920 That might be what they need to do for their 1772 01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:18.319 business plan. Even so ninety nine is a good deal. 1773 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:20.600 The other thing people have talked about, which is kind 1774 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:27.479 of interesting, Jason, is WWE Network offers an in arena, 1775 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:32.319 in ring event that's two hours long on Saturday, that 1776 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:38.960 is WrestleMania WrestleMania preview show or Night one, and then 1777 01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:41.560 they do a night too that's three hours, and that's 1778 01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:43.560 what you have to pay for. So you get WrestleMania 1779 01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:45.680 Night one on the network, WrestleMania Night two. You got 1780 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:48.800 a pay full price for something like that, or you 1781 01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:50.880 offer the first two hours or WrestleMania on the network, 1782 01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:52.880 but the last two hours with the three biggest matches 1783 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:56.880 are part of inexclusive pay per views, I mean, or 1784 01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:58.720 they offer it on the network, which you have to 1785 01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:02.039 be a premier tier subscriber where you're paying an extra 1786 01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:05.000 five dollars every month in order to get WrestleMania and 1787 01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:07.680 Rumble in SummerSlam, the premier pay per views. There's a 1788 01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:09.760 lot of things that they might be thinking about, but 1789 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:12.399 it just to me seems like they're keeping their options open. 1790 01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:15.359 It does, but you know, they owe it to people 1791 01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:18.760 with these subscriptions coming up here. I believe around the 1792 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:21.079 twenty fourth if you sign up day one, I think 1793 01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:27.039 August twenty fourth is when your network subscription will expire. 1794 01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:30.800 People should know going in. Okay, if I lock myself 1795 01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:33.600 in for six months, and in some cases, I mean 1796 01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:36.640 I know, you can cancel and many ways and get 1797 01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:38.560 out of paying your ten dollars a month, but if 1798 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:41.159 you do go through a platform or you're signing up 1799 01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:44.439 dropping that sixty bucks right out of the gate, and 1800 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.319 there are somewhere you have to you should know what 1801 01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:49.720 you're signing up for. And it shouldn't be well, we 1802 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.920 told you through the end of the year. That's to me, 1803 01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:55.479 it's just shady and oh well, it says in the 1804 01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:58.600 fine print. I mean, b as if they are doing this, 1805 01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:00.840 then they need to figure it out out and tell 1806 01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:04.039 people upfront, because right now you know if you sign up, 1807 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:08.319 if you do, if you roll your subscription over at 1808 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:12.159 at the first six month expiration time, you better be 1809 01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:15.039 you better know if you're getting Royal rumble an elimination chamber, 1810 01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:18.199 because those fall in that window wrestle Mania, they still 1811 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:20.520 have time to play around with, but they need to 1812 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:22.520 They need to come clean on this and do it 1813 01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:25.359 quickly or I mean that's just poor customer service to 1814 01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:29.119 to kind of mislead people and still well what you know. 1815 01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:32.000 JBL kept saying on raw through the end of the year. 1816 01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:36.399 BS they know what people are expecting and if they're 1817 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:38.000 not going to deliver it, they need to come right 1818 01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:38.520 out and say it. 1819 01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:42.680 I totally agree. And you can't be cute with language 1820 01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:45.840 and expect people to keep your goodwill with your customer base. 1821 01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:48.760 And they could screw I mean, they could just said 1822 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:50.800 be be in a really bad position in February where 1823 01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:54.560 fans just go, I can't trust them, they're being slick there. 1824 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:57.039 I feel tricked, I feel deceived, and I think it 1825 01:25:57.079 --> 01:26:00.479 could really backfire. What what's your what's your interpretation or 1826 01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.840 your take on nine ninety nine as a shtick last 1827 01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:06.359 night started by Triple ation, carried throughout the show. 1828 01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:10.840 Yeah, well, I'm curious. Do you think that was planned 1829 01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:12.720 the whole time, like, Hey, we're really going to have 1830 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:14.319 fun with this nine to ninety nine thing, or do 1831 01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:16.479 you think it was kind of organic when the crowd 1832 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.119 set it along with Triple h the third time, they 1833 01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:20.199 just took it and ran with it. 1834 01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:23.239 I thought it felt planned. I'm not saying, you know, 1835 01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:26.000 JBL holding up the sign, you know, nine ninety nine 1836 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.119 on paper was planned. You know, they might have improvised 1837 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.560 here and there, but I think they they deliberately went 1838 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:34.159 in with the plan to really push the price point 1839 01:26:34.239 --> 01:26:36.920 in a way that people would remember. I said this 1840 01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:38.960 on the Keller hotline for VFP members last night. I 1841 01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:42.520 don't think the price is the issue. I think it's 1842 01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:47.359 what Scott said VFP members. Scott said, it's content. I 1843 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:51.960 don't think nine ninety nine is what people are confused 1844 01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:54.399 about or what's stopping them is they thought, oh I 1845 01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:58.199 thought it was twenty four ninety five. Oh it's only 1846 01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:01.479 nine ninety nine. Well then I'll subscrit that isn't what 1847 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:04.439 they need to clarify. That's not what's gonna be as 1848 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:06.880 fans callb will puts it a call to action to 1849 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.760 get people to subscribe. The call to action isn't hey, 1850 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.880 it's a penny less than ten bucks. You know, it's 1851 01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:15.319 a subway sandwich and the coke. You know. It's like, 1852 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:17.119 that's not what they need to be selling people on. 1853 01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:19.560 They need to be selling people on that they are 1854 01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:22.640 missing out on something special, and other marketing does that. 1855 01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:25.159 But I also a problem with forri ble H being 1856 01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:27.520 the guy to push the price. It's just it's started 1857 01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:29.920 to feel like a cheesy infomercial. And when you're number 1858 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.439 one of your top heels, is the guy who you 1859 01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:35.000 know is going to benefit from it and he's the 1860 01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:36.800 guy who wants you to subscribe, is the guy that 1861 01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:40.119 you're also supposed to hate it. It's it's such a 1862 01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:43.319 problem with the presentation of the narrative of the product. 1863 01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:52.920 Are you a fan of AW looking to sit back, 1864 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.119 relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share 1865 01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:58.479 your passion. Do you want to be topped off the 1866 01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:00.880 ladge after a segment that has you wondering what the 1867 01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:03.399 heck are they thinking? Do you want to join a 1868 01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:06.520 discussion on what AW is doing right and what they 1869 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:07.439 could do to improve. 1870 01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:09.279 Then join me Joel and. 1871 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:11.960 Me Greg for the All of the Conversation Club every 1872 01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:15.720 Friday on the PW torch Live Cast. Fee search pw 1873 01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:18.760 torch in your podcast app and subscribe to pw torch 1874 01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:21.800 Daily Cast. Our stream our shows directly from pw torch 1875 01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:25.159 dot com. Find full details on the PW torch Dailycast 1876 01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:28.199 lineup at pw torchdailycast dot com. 1877 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:41.199 We're totally on the same page. I wrote a lot 1878 01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:44.520 of this in Today's hit list as well, and I 1879 01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:46.800 mean the nine to ninety nine thing. To me, it 1880 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:50.319 just if it was just for sake of argument, if 1881 01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:52.800 it was organic, they went too far with it. I 1882 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:55.399 still think Michael Cole is an issue. I don't think 1883 01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:59.880 he does okay. I mean, there's times when he's very good, 1884 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:03.079 but he's not that trusted voice. That continues to be 1885 01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:06.159 an issue, and so you can't when when Michael Cole 1886 01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:08.960 tries to sell you on something, it doesn't sound sincere 1887 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:11.359 doesn't sound like he's genuinely excited about it. It sounds 1888 01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:14.439 like he's a pitch man, and I don't like it 1889 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:16.880 coming from him. I don't like it coming from Jerry Lawler, 1890 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:19.000 who clearly doesn't even know how half the things function. 1891 01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:22.439 JBL is kind of the heel commentator. Shouldn't come from him, 1892 01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:25.680 shouldn't come from Triple Ah and Stephanie. I still think 1893 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:28.840 you find creative ways to use some of your stars 1894 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:32.079 so it feels somewhat organic and not your heel stars. 1895 01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:35.439 But if they're convinced everyone loves John Cena, we'll find 1896 01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:37.880 different ways, unique ways for John Sena just started working 1897 01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:41.840 it in make it feel organic rather than rather than 1898 01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:44.239 just the force product placement that they do from out 1899 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:47.479 and do on a regular basis. They need to be 1900 01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.119 a little more creative with that end of things. And 1901 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:52.159 I got a kick out of that club turned on 1902 01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:55.359 them at the end. They were having fun with it, 1903 01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:57.920 especially that third time Triple Ah said it, and then 1904 01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:01.399 if you notice the last time was probably him. I 1905 01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:04.439 think it was him, but that crowd it was groans 1906 01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:07.960 and Booze, it wasn't. They were having funds going along 1907 01:30:08.039 --> 01:30:11.439 with it, and yet nine to ninety nine, Wait, aren't 1908 01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:14.119 they the company that compares themselves to Netflix? Only better? 1909 01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:16.359 And I guess at that point you better be better 1910 01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:18.439 because I think they charge more than Netflix. 1911 01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:22.640 And they have not picked a selling point in a 1912 01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:25.520 marketing approach to this, I mean, they're just bouncing all 1913 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:29.399 over the place, desperate. There's not there's not a catchphrase 1914 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:32.159 that sticks with people. There's not a call to action 1915 01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:35.479 that sticks with people. It's half assed, disorganized and desperate. 1916 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:37.840 And they're just I mean you can just see it 1917 01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:40.840 in their faces. They're like, but you can watch Legends 1918 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:43.720 House and in Total Divas and every pay per view 1919 01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:44.840 through the end of the year and it's just nine 1920 01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:47.399 ninety nine, Like why aren't another million of you doing this? 1921 01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.199 And they just can't believe it, And it comes across 1922 01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:55.560 as just needy and not confident. There's not a bravado 1923 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:58.680 to it. There's a desperation that I think the average 1924 01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:02.199 viewer senses, and I think people want they want to 1925 01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:05.079 feel like they're part of something that's hot. And yes, 1926 01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:07.159 I like that. You know, they talk about the ninety 1927 01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:09.720 percent or whatever percent it was, you know, satisfaction rating 1928 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:12.720 among customers. They need to pitch that, and but there's 1929 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:15.640 a there. It is frustrating because I mean, I mean, 1930 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:17.880 I've run my own business for two and a half decades. 1931 01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:21.399 I mean, and I'm not a don't have an advertising partment, 1932 01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:22.920 orn ththing like that. But like you think about it 1933 01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:24.039 when you're on your business, like, you know, how do 1934 01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:26.439 we market this, what's the what's the what's the pitch? 1935 01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:28.560 What's work? You study what works? You try to make 1936 01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:31.000 sure you reach the audience that would find a fair 1937 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:33.079 value for what you charge in exchange for what you do. 1938 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:35.520 And WWE just is all over the place and they 1939 01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:37.119 don't know what they are and who they're marketing to. 1940 01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:39.319 And I think they just wanted it, Jason to come 1941 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:42.039 easy and it didn't, and now they're just mad and 1942 01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:46.000 kind of sadly pathetically desperate. And it's just not cohesive. 1943 01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:47.720 That's that's a phrase I look for. It's not a 1944 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:48.800 cohesive marketing effort. 1945 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:52.039 What happened to this bac Man the promoter? I know, 1946 01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:54.680 I mean as seriously as that, like wrestling is the 1947 01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:56.319 only thing he can promote. He can't even promote a 1948 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:57.039 wrestling network. 1949 01:31:57.640 --> 01:32:01.279 I know, Yeah, I just but you're all right, you 1950 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:02.920 draw that picture of you know, Cole and j B 1951 01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:05.199 al l Law are sitting there and trying to sell it, 1952 01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:09.159 and you know JBL with that just that weird creepy 1953 01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:12.279 smile that he has when he's not talking they're. 1954 01:32:12.119 --> 01:32:14.960 Not cool guys who can saying it doesn't seem fun 1955 01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:17.079 when they're saying, it's just like these guys are dorks. 1956 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:19.520 I think they should have they should go back and 1957 01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:21.640 look at some event centers the Todd pett And gill 1958 01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:24.000 And and Sean Mooney hosted. But put Renee Young there 1959 01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:25.800 because Renee is way better than Todd, Penon gill and 1960 01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:29.159 tremendously better than Sean Mooney. Have her stand there and 1961 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:31.800 create you know this wolf Blitzer like CNN, you know, 1962 01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.319 virtual network reality, and she can be standing there in 1963 01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:37.560 front of a big video wall and she can point 1964 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:39.680 over here and go this week and touch and touch 1965 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:42.000 the screen and boom, their center. It's made event highlights. 1966 01:32:42.039 --> 01:32:44.600 That's what's on on Wednesday night. And you're not watching, 1967 01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:46.680 you're missing out. And I'm going to be hashtagging. I'm 1968 01:32:46.720 --> 01:32:49.840 gonna be on Twitter, which with hashtag you know ww 1969 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:52.199 network talking with you guys during it. It's like and 1970 01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:54.279 then she leans to the points to the points to 1971 01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:56.760 her left and points at the summer slime. It's going 1972 01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:58.560 to be arring on Sunday night. And then and then 1973 01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:00.399 tout and hey, you know you you you want to 1974 01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:02.399 look at Old Wrestling and you know, learn about the 1975 01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:04.239 history of the industry you're a longtime fan or his 1976 01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:06.640 here's world class and here's the episode we're putting up 1977 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:09.039 this week of Scanneract Bar devastation in corporation, like show 1978 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.800 us highlights and get people excited in this in this 1979 01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:15.239 event center type atmosphere, and and I mean there's just again, 1980 01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:18.399 it's just it's frustrating because this is a product that 1981 01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:21.680 people should be more excited about, and more people should understand, 1982 01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:24.560 and more people should be going and watching the live stream. 1983 01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:26.600 They don't even talk about the live stream that much 1984 01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:28.720 other than right after rob this match will beyond. 1985 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:32.840 So no, it's to watch John scene and beat brock Lessner. 1986 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:38.279 Yeah yeah, really, yeah, for you know, sort of for 1987 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:39.479 free on the network. 1988 01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:42.840 So we're telling you, you know, you brocks are indestructible 1989 01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:45.039 and my god, Johnson didn't take the beating of a lifetime. 1990 01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:47.000 But tune in to watch John scene to beat brock Lessure. 1991 01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:51.039 It's a tough It's that is the biggest challenge of 1992 01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:53.640 marketing seeing a Lesner right now is they're not owning 1993 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:56.079 that scene to beat them, right, and and because it 1994 01:33:56.159 --> 01:33:58.399 contradicts with Lesner being unbeatable. He'd bet Undertaker. We don't 1995 01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:00.720 want to remind people of it, but we can't not 1996 01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:02.880 mention it because it was too recent. So it's not 1997 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:07.159 like Undertaker Lesner from what was it, No Way Out 1998 01:34:07.399 --> 01:34:09.600 three or whatever? Pay per view? That's Zach Gwen fought 1999 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:12.399 pensic mannon you know that was that was you know, 2000 01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:14.279 ten years earlier, So you could get away with not 2001 01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:16.359 drawing a lot of attention to it. Hard not to 2002 01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:18.239 mention Lesner and Sena have fought on pay per view 2003 01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:21.119 in recent years, but it is I think I just 2004 01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:24.239 was it. Robert Kennedy said, shine a lantern on your problems, 2005 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:27.359 you know, don't don't let other people define your weaknesses. 2006 01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:30.880 Own it, and and I think they need to own 2007 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:33.720 the fact that Lesner and Sena fought, and that Sena one, 2008 01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:37.079 and that should be part of Lesner's argument. 2009 01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:39.159 With you know, and and again you know, how about 2010 01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:41.399 playing on the diverticulitis she worked for USC. 2011 01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.479 Yes, yeah, just I mean, yeah, you could have Paul 2012 01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:47.439 Hayman going John Cena Brock. Lesner gave you the beating 2013 01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:49.760 of his life, and the only thing that stopped him 2014 01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:53.760 from finishing you off is he was recovering from serious 2015 01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:57.800 surgery and and and in the end he ran out 2016 01:34:57.840 --> 01:34:59.800 of steam. As we know from what we thought WrestleMania, 2017 01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:04.079 the that was then and this is now, and that 2018 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:07.399 history will not repeat itself. Brock will finish the job 2019 01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:09.479 that he dished out for twenty two minutes before you 2020 01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:14.000 got lucky before and he is obsessed. He is obsessed 2021 01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:16.640 with getting that win back. And I've never seen him 2022 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:19.319 more motivated. And after the win with Undertaker, he knows 2023 01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:20.760 there is no stopping him and he is at one 2024 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:23.640 hundred percent. Just own it, and then you know, like 2025 01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:25.760 and then and then you can sell the Lesner Scena 2026 01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:30.039 match by having Michael Cole say, fans watch brock Lesner 2027 01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:32.640 give Seena the beating of his life, and you decide, 2028 01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:36.279 how did John Cena beat Lesner last time after taking 2029 01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:40.119 that beating? And is did brock Lesner today stronger as 2030 01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:42.520 Paul Hayman says, than he was back then? Did he 2031 01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:45.720 prove it by beating Undertaker? You be the judge. Network 2032 01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:49.000 subscribers watch it now. If you're not a network subscriber, 2033 01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:51.000 sign up right now and watch it or watch it 2034 01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:53.920 on demand tomorrow. There's just just you watch the show 2035 01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:56.000 and you're solf frustrating because, like you said, Jason, where's 2036 01:35:56.039 --> 01:36:00.079 Vincent manna promoter? This stuff isn't that hard, you know, 2037 01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:00.439 they're just. 2038 01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:03.119 At their handcuff where they're trying to serve so many masters, 2039 01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:05.159 like well, we can't offend the pay per view company 2040 01:36:05.199 --> 01:36:07.640 because we're in bed with one in Comcast, because you 2041 01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:10.399 would think, yeah, nine to ninety nine, you do drive 2042 01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:13.319 that home if you can compare it to here's what 2043 01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:15.840 you suckers are still paying on pay per view. We're 2044 01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:18.720 the good guys here. We're trying to eliminate that middleman, 2045 01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:21.119 bring the cost down for you. Get on board for 2046 01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:24.279 nine to ninety nine. Rather than paying fifty five dollars 2047 01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:26.479 for the HDEP, he will give you nine to ninety 2048 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:30.159 nine HD same thing plus all this other stuff. And 2049 01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:34.119 that's where ninety nine comes into play. The way they're 2050 01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:36.720 doing it, they don't ever bring up the savings anymore. 2051 01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:38.880 I think they just got scared away from doing that 2052 01:36:39.039 --> 01:36:42.319 because I mean, it's I get it with Comcast, but 2053 01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:46.079 you already lost you lost this network, you lost Direct TV. 2054 01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:49.199 There's part of me that actually feels way the best 2055 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:50.720 thing that could happen to them when it comes to 2056 01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:54.479 selling their own network is for Comcast to follow suit, 2057 01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:55.720 and just so you know what, we're out of here, 2058 01:36:55.960 --> 01:36:57.319 because then the gloves can come off. 2059 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:02.159 Yeah, yep, No, you're right. I think they are serving 2060 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:06.880 too many masters and that has muddled what could be 2061 01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:11.760 a clear concise message with Bravado. 2062 01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:13.479 You know this is why. 2063 01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:16.079 But they have to do a nine ninety nine. It's 2064 01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:18.239 like read between the lines, idiots. Do you see what 2065 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:20.560 we're trying to tell you here? It's only nine ninety nine, 2066 01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:23.640 but we can't tell you what that nine ninety nine 2067 01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:26.239 is so great relative to And you know it was 2068 01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:28.199 the concern from the beginning. There are two concerns from 2069 01:37:28.199 --> 01:37:30.720 the beginning one well many many, but two of them 2070 01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:33.479 were they're going to redefine They're going to define down 2071 01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:35.600 what pay per views are worth by including them as 2072 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:37.720 part of a nine to ninety nine package every month. 2073 01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:41.039 It's gonna make pay per view seem less valuable because 2074 01:37:41.239 --> 01:37:43.840 now you're charging less. To a degree, that's true. But 2075 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.279 to a degree what you're trying to do is is 2076 01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:49.359 and this is just simple economics. One oh one. By 2077 01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:51.319 charging a lower price, you're gonna have more people who 2078 01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:53.800 might buy. You're expanding it and the technology allowed for it, 2079 01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:56.439 and so there wasn't there weren't going to be a 2080 01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:59.199 million people who were going to pay for Summer Slammer 2081 01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:01.119 money in the bank, and the best Summer Slam ever 2082 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:06.159 did six seven hundred thousand buys. So the idea is 2083 01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:08.560 they were hoping to get to one quickly and eventually 2084 01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.760 two million people paying ten bucks with a higher percentage 2085 01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:14.560 of money that they kept in lower overhead. They figured 2086 01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:17.359 this is the way of the future, so it made 2087 01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:19.560 sense to charge less. Who cares the people to find 2088 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:21.399 down the price of pay per view? They were going 2089 01:38:21.399 --> 01:38:23.319 all in and they took that chance, and I applaud 2090 01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:24.920 them forward and I made my case for why it 2091 01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:27.279 was smart, knowing what they knew to do what they 2092 01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:30.840 did for WrestleMania thirty with the launch. So I'm fine 2093 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:32.439 with all that. But the other concern Jason, when we 2094 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:35.159 were dismissing this is they're not going to even try anymore, 2095 01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:37.279 you know, because while they'll just have everybody's money and 2096 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:39.319 they won't have to promote pay per views. Well, we 2097 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:42.920 see with that video of Sina Lesner and how hard 2098 01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:44.960 that they are pushing this lineup and Triple A's talking 2099 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:47.319 about a prowdie as of the lineup and the way 2100 01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:49.720 that they're pushing Summer Slam that we thought it was 2101 01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:51.560 kind of ridiculous that they would just sit back. I 2102 01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:53.600 think if they had two million subscribers right now, Jason, 2103 01:38:53.640 --> 01:38:56.199 they'd still be promoting SummerSlam as hard because they'd be 2104 01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:59.760 seeing money growing on trees. And let's just promote the 2105 01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:02.039 hell out of this because it's such a successful concept. 2106 01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.079 Let's get the best Summer Slim we can and get 2107 01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:07.920 even more people on board. 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And 2113 01:39:23.479 --> 01:39:25.680 also hear the VIP exclusive shows that I host with 2114 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:28.279 Rich Fan and Todd Martin, Everything with Rich Fan and 2115 01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:30.840 The Fix with Todd Martin signature VIP series that you're 2116 01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:33.880 missing out without a VIP membership, So go vip here 2117 01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.960 in twenty twenty two and enjoy all the benefits, all 2118 01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:40.199 the bonus content and the ad free listening experience pw 2119 01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:42.920 torch dot com, slash go VIP. 2120 01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:51.960 I worry now that they're desperate to get that number 2121 01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:54.000 up to one million by the end of the year, 2122 01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:59.920 and that they're rushing this worldwide rollout that they're doing. 2123 01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:02.800 I really that's the thing where if they had the 2124 01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:05.520 number they needed right now, then I don't know that 2125 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:09.119 you'd be seeing this on August twelfth. They would probably 2126 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:10.760 take their time do it. 2127 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:12.439 I agree with that, but I don't think they'd be 2128 01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:13.680 promoting Summer slam less. 2129 01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:17.680 No, No, I mean no, We've been very consistent with 2130 01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:21.319 that that you know it's there. What incentive do they 2131 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:23.000 have just to sit back and tank it? I mean 2132 01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:27.439 there's none. You're answering to Wall Street. Wall Street always 2133 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:29.359 wants more. So if you came out of the gate 2134 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.239 and this thing was a massive success with two million 2135 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.560 subscribers in the US alone, well the next quarter, Wall 2136 01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:39.039 Street's going to want, you know, two point five million 2137 01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:39.720 if they can get it. 2138 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.039 It's just the way Wall Street works. Yep, all right, 2139 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:47.119 let's switch subjects. We got an email from Steve dare 2140 01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:52.199 or Darey of Bristol, UK. He said, hey, guys, love 2141 01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:55.000 the show, worth every penny of my nine ninety nine. Okay, 2142 01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:58.399 very funny. My question is about explay here. Is it 2143 01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:00.560 more important for him to go over who said it, SummerSlam? 2144 01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:03.840 Is it more important for him to go over on Ruce? 2145 01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:05.680 It's some for summ Okay. I know there's a feeling 2146 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:07.600 going around that Ruscev is being set up for John Cena, 2147 01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:10.079 But Sweger has just earned thirty has just turned thirty two, 2148 01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:11.520 and this could be his last chance to get over 2149 01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:13.560 the American hero things seems to be working in the 2150 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:16.680 crowd loves patriarch to be patriotic whenever possible. He's been 2151 01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:18.680 given plenty of chances in the past. Falling asleep at 2152 01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:20.760 the production meeting and the DUI didn't help, so some 2153 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:22.800 of the management seems to like him to give him 2154 01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:25.159 this opportunity. Just wondering what you think the future holds 2155 01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:31.800 for him, Jason, What's what's the finish of the flag match? 2156 01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:34.840 I do think Swagger goes over. It's a flag match. 2157 01:41:34.920 --> 01:41:36.760 You know, there's a way to do it where Ruscev 2158 01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:40.680 doesn't look he can still look dominating yet lose a 2159 01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:43.840 flag match. You know. I mean, yeah, assume they haven't 2160 01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:45.920 really explained how this flag match is going to work. 2161 01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.199 I assume it's put the flags in opposite corners and 2162 01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:51.399 whoever gets to it first. I mean, that's there's ways 2163 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:53.960 to protect Russev, and I think Swagger needs a win 2164 01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:57.239 to keep this going, because it's anytime he stands up 2165 01:41:57.279 --> 01:42:00.319 to Ruscep in a match, so far he's been he's 2166 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:01.039 been manhandled. 2167 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:06.720 All right, man, I think they I I don't think 2168 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:09.840 they're gonna get behind Sweger, but if Sweger beats Russev, 2169 01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:12.439 they're getting behind him, you know. I think we'll learn 2170 01:42:12.439 --> 01:42:15.439 a lot from that. Finishally, I don't. 2171 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:17.439 Think they're going to either, but I think they want 2172 01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:19.000 to get another month out of the feud. I don't 2173 01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:20.239 think they're looking much beyond that. 2174 01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:23.800 Yeah, I just I wonder if they want Russev's first 2175 01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:26.800 loss to be against somebody who they are committed to 2176 01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:28.640 making money with. So if they're committed to making money 2177 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:32.000 with Swager, he'll get a push beyond September. If they're not, 2178 01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:37.600 I think Rusev will win because wanna, you know, pull 2179 01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:41.279 something off, and Sweger loses due to some interference, so 2180 01:42:41.319 --> 01:42:44.239 Swager has an out, they come back again. They do 2181 01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:46.720 another screw finish, but John Cena, damn it, he's had 2182 01:42:46.840 --> 01:42:49.720 enough after losing to Lesnar and getting you know, beat 2183 01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:51.479 by Lesner. He's got to go do something that fans 2184 01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:53.960 can get rally behind him for. And taking on Roussev 2185 01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:55.279 at house shows in a pay per view would do 2186 01:42:55.279 --> 01:42:58.199 it again. I think you can't have seen a battling 2187 01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:01.000 somebody who couldn't even beat Jack Swager given Swager's push, 2188 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:04.039 So I think Sweger can't win unless they really are 2189 01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:06.600 going to give Swager a big push so that fans 2190 01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:08.720 look back and go, wow, that was the beginning of 2191 01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:13.399 Swagger really turning his career around. Okay, let's tackle a 2192 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:16.279 couple of emails two before I wrap up. This comes 2193 01:43:16.319 --> 01:43:18.199 from E Manual, who says, how do you think Roman 2194 01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:20.840 Range is a tire will affect his championship potential? I know, 2195 01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:23.399 WWE's not a fashion show. Who I disagree with that 2196 01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:27.079 it kind of is, but a tire does matter. Axel 2197 01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:30.920 failed at a failed outfit HBK Brown tights from a 2198 01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:33.680 first elimination chamber match, et cetera. I can't see Rains 2199 01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:36.079 with a title in that outfit. What would be a 2200 01:43:36.119 --> 01:43:39.720 cool looking alternative, in your opinion, an Adam Bomb style single, 2201 01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:44.199 it a test tile shorts. I'm sorry, test style shorts. 2202 01:43:44.319 --> 01:43:47.079 Just curious, Jason, I'm kind of fine with it. Rains, 2203 01:43:47.079 --> 01:43:48.880 Where's I don't think that is going to I don't 2204 01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:50.399 think that's on my top five list of things that 2205 01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:51.840 are that'll make or break them. 2206 01:43:52.199 --> 01:43:55.359 Yeah, I mean I actually like the old look a 2207 01:43:55.399 --> 01:43:58.079 little bit more, and but I just don't think, you know, 2208 01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:00.079 that might be personal taste. I mean, for all I know, 2209 01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:02.039 everyone's going, oh, this is better, So I just kind 2210 01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:04.720 of left I've left that alone. Yeah, but it's you know, 2211 01:44:04.840 --> 01:44:07.199 even if people are like like me, where it's like 2212 01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:09.319 they like the old look better, it's not like this 2213 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:12.359 current look he has with the the stitching or whatever 2214 01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:14.279 you want to call it is, is like a make 2215 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:14.760 or break thing. 2216 01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:17.039 No, I'm with you on this, Yeah, you know, I 2217 01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:19.239 mean he's still there's a little bit of big, deaddy 2218 01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:23.119 cool going on with with what they're doing with Rains, 2219 01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:27.520 and I don't know, you know, Yeah, to me, it's 2220 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:31.079 it's connected with the crowd. It's it's it's promos, it's 2221 01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:34.000 it's working the rain, it's it's the presence that he has, 2222 01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:35.960 and I mean, I just yeah, I think the outfit 2223 01:44:36.279 --> 01:44:38.119 doesn't hurt a lot, it doesn't help a lot. It's 2224 01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:40.560 for me, relatively neutral when it comes to what's going 2225 01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:42.239 to help and get over. He also says the Sina 2226 01:44:42.279 --> 01:44:44.079 loses that Summer Slam, will there be a big rematch 2227 01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:45.920 for the title as it should be, or will it 2228 01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:48.239 go all the way to other or will it go 2229 01:44:48.399 --> 01:44:51.000 the way of other big match rematches for the title 2230 01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:52.760 that never happened rox senem or so Many of twenty 2231 01:44:52.840 --> 01:44:54.760 nine or in Brian from as so Many thirty, et cetera. 2232 01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:56.600 And Asina does not get his rematch, well, it will 2233 01:44:56.600 --> 01:44:59.520 be the logical storyline reason for it, like injury timering 2234 01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:03.960 off et cetera. And third to Ceth Rowlins ever realistically catching. 2235 01:45:03.680 --> 01:45:11.960 On Brock good seth Rowlands cash in on Brock. I 2236 01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:14.680 don't think he should have that. I mean, I've kind 2237 01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:19.039 of wondered, you know, with with Brock and his contract, 2238 01:45:19.159 --> 01:45:21.159 if he is just the same artment, if he's not 2239 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:23.720 going to be around nearly as much as they'd like 2240 01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:26.039 him to be. It is there a way where Brock 2241 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:28.239 gets dq'ed but he beats the Holy hell out of 2242 01:45:28.279 --> 01:45:31.399 scene and Rawlins comes out and and uh, he's planning 2243 01:45:31.439 --> 01:45:34.199 b for that show, And that way, you don't get 2244 01:45:34.239 --> 01:45:36.399 a Brock doesn't come out of SummerSlam with the title. 2245 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:38.920 He loses, but it's by DQ, but he still looks 2246 01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:39.800 just dominant. 2247 01:45:41.680 --> 01:45:43.720 Yeah, I guess, you know, and that would solve that. 2248 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:46.119 I mean, that's part of the intrigue of this show. 2249 01:45:46.439 --> 01:45:49.039 You know, if Lesner does not come away with the title, 2250 01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:53.399 then how do you keep him strong? And if he 2251 01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:55.920 does come up with the title, you know, do you 2252 01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:57.960 really have him all the until Mania thirty one but 2253 01:45:58.039 --> 01:46:01.199 only have him wrestle, you know, for five times between 2254 01:46:01.479 --> 01:46:01.960 then and now? 2255 01:46:02.199 --> 01:46:04.199 And shouldn't they be keasing that right now? I mean, 2256 01:46:04.479 --> 01:46:07.560 regardless of what their plan is, shouldn't it shouldn't Triple 2257 01:46:07.680 --> 01:46:10.279 hb out there basically gloating that's seen his days are 2258 01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:13.520 numbered because whether even if Brock doesn't get him, Seth 2259 01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:14.079 is going to. 2260 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:17.680 Yeah, yeah, play that up. I mean, having Ambrose rip 2261 01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:19.760 up the contract and player on with the briefcase is 2262 01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:22.000 fine to create a distraction for a match, But what 2263 01:46:22.119 --> 01:46:25.079 about the briefcase? What about you know, how Seth fits 2264 01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:29.479 in relative to to Lesnar? Yeah, I do. I do 2265 01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:34.680 not know the answer to that. What were the other ones, sir? I, oh, well, 2266 01:46:34.760 --> 01:46:37.159 it's Seena loses. What's next for him? And what's the excuse? 2267 01:46:38.520 --> 01:46:41.920 Oh boy? I mean somebody called last night, so I 2268 01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:44.159 looked it up during the show. I mean, he's he's 2269 01:46:44.159 --> 01:46:48.000 pretty much back now. I mean, movie shoot schedules can 2270 01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:50.159 change a little bit too, but it looks like he's 2271 01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:53.479 back as far as Raw is concerned going forward. This 2272 01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:55.880 looks like the last one he's gonna miss for a while. So, 2273 01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:58.520 I mean, he's advertised for everything post Summer Slam. It 2274 01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:00.760 doesn't look like he's going to be just disappearing after 2275 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:01.840 SummerSlam for a while. 2276 01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:03.199 You know. 2277 01:47:03.319 --> 01:47:07.159 I still it could be RUSCEV, like you said, I mean, 2278 01:47:07.279 --> 01:47:09.680 I guess, I just don't know who else it would 2279 01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:12.640 be if it's If it's not RUSCEP. And as far 2280 01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:17.119 as the rematch goes, I don't do it before. I mean, 2281 01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:18.960 well it's I was gonna say, you don't do it 2282 01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:21.319 before Wrestle Nania, But I don't go with that match 2283 01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:25.279 there either, unless it's just another kick ass match and 2284 01:47:25.439 --> 01:47:28.079 people are really creating seen in Lesnar again, And then 2285 01:47:28.079 --> 01:47:30.319 I at least consider that also because I'm still not 2286 01:47:30.439 --> 01:47:36.079 convinced Rain's Lesners is the way to go. But hmm, 2287 01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:39.000 I might sit on that one until next summer slim. 2288 01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:39.239 Yeah. 2289 01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:41.920 But the tricky part there is, you know, you do 2290 01:47:42.079 --> 01:47:45.119 have those subscriptions coming up. I think Night of Champions 2291 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:46.439 is a very important show. 2292 01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:49.640 For them as Yeah, I know, I know, I do 2293 01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:51.920 not know the answer. I mean, there's a lot of 2294 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:53.840 things they can do, but not one thing pops out 2295 01:47:53.880 --> 01:47:56.880 to me as the obvious thing to do. Chris from Iceland, 2296 01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:58.800 New Jersey says, wait and Jason, I'm wondering what the 2297 01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:00.359 planets are seth rawlins in the way in the bank. 2298 01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:02.640 If brock Wu does win and holds the title until 2299 01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:04.279 Mania thirty one, it doesn't make much sense to have 2300 01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:06.520 Rowlins carry the briefcase and hold it over Lesner's head. 2301 01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:09.560 I'd actually make the stipulation for Ambrose Rowlins a tummerslam 2302 01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:11.000 for money in the bank briefcase to be on the 2303 01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:14.119 line and have Ambrose leave with it. There can be 2304 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:16.039 a good story to be told with crazy Dan Ambrose 2305 01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:18.279 catching it on Lesner and taking him to his limit. 2306 01:48:18.359 --> 01:48:20.760 What do you think I fear that's what they're going 2307 01:48:20.840 --> 01:48:22.880 to do. You know, I fear that tonight at the 2308 01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:25.880 Knackdown taping, Ambrose is going to announce that as a stipulation. 2309 01:48:26.840 --> 01:48:28.960 And it makes sense for his character, it makes sense 2310 01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:31.439 for you. Why wouldn't he want that? I just hate 2311 01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:34.079 the idea of you had the money in the bank match. 2312 01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:37.199 I mean, it should just be concrete. You never want 2313 01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:39.399 him label it as such. But in less there's a 2314 01:48:39.439 --> 01:48:41.520 situation like there was when they had to do these 2315 01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:43.920 the change to take it off Anderson and put it 2316 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:46.439 on edge because of injuries. And I get not just 2317 01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:49.239 coming out and saying no matter what, he still has it. 2318 01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:52.239 But I just don't go there. I want to protect 2319 01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:55.399 your royal rumble outcomes, your money in the bank outcomes. 2320 01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:57.720 I don't think those should just be, you know, just 2321 01:48:58.119 --> 01:48:59.880 thrown out through his stipulations in a match. 2322 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:08.399 Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn 2323 01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:12.359 some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties Past Cast Every 2324 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:15.760 Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. 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I mean yeah, I 2334 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:56.880 mean I remember reasons for it, but I asked it 2335 01:49:56.920 --> 01:49:59.920 for the reasons you're against it, So I'm kind of torn, right, Yeah, 2336 01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:02.800 Jerry from Illinois says, I sanzwitever. Randy Orton called a 2337 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:05.239 woman a Latin miss picking. How is Randy Orton? How 2338 01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:07.479 can Randy Orton crap in women's gym baggs, call people 2339 01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:09.119 stupid in the ring, and generally act like an ass 2340 01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:10.880 and still have a job. At one point do you 2341 01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:14.479 say this guy's unprofessional? In cut your losses? Well, I mean, 2342 01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:18.199 that's been ten years of WWE frustration. Jason. 2343 01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:20.960 How did Randy Moss run over a meter maid? How 2344 01:50:21.039 --> 01:50:24.039 did Randy Moss have a joint in the ash tray 2345 01:50:24.279 --> 01:50:27.239 that wasn't his because a lot of people drive his car? 2346 01:50:27.479 --> 01:50:29.399 How did Randy Moss do a lot of things during 2347 01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:31.560 his NFL care and not just Randy Moss. I'm just 2348 01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:33.039 using him because it's close to home. 2349 01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:35.199 No, he's the only NFL guy ever get in trouble. 2350 01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:40.119 Right exactly. But now, I mean it's just they see 2351 01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:42.880 something in Randy. I don't know. As time goes on, 2352 01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:46.920 and right now with just his things seem to be 2353 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:49.640 picking up a little bit for him. I sense there's 2354 01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:51.640 a little more interest in Rain's Orton than there's been 2355 01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:54.720 in Orton in some time. But still, just as time 2356 01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:57.119 goes on, I think they may lose patience for that 2357 01:50:57.239 --> 01:50:59.680 because I don't think Randy Orton means as much as 2358 01:50:59.720 --> 01:51:01.800 he wants stat They don't have the perception that he 2359 01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:03.920 can be the guy that they like they once did. 2360 01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:07.319 He's a ten twelve year vet now who is there 2361 01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:10.520 to help elevate Roman raints, you know, I mean that 2362 01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:12.399 that's a posiness and he's in The reason he's in 2363 01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:14.680 that spot, and the reason it isn't the Sena Orton era, 2364 01:51:14.960 --> 01:51:17.640 but it's the Sena era. And the reason people were 2365 01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:19.640 booing one of them, you know, booing and saying we've 2366 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:21.760 had enough of this when they did see Orton the 2367 01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:24.199 last time last year, is for all those reasons that 2368 01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:26.680 management can't get one hundred percent behind him for a 2369 01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:29.720 lot of good reasons. And there are there are you know, 2370 01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:35.239 maturity issues and management trying to manage him issues, and 2371 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:38.600 there's judgment issues with him and they've been consistent and 2372 01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:42.920 he has not outgrown them. And you know, publicly laughing 2373 01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:46.399 at somebody as a Latinus piggy just I mean, yes, 2374 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:49.840 there's all the hypocrisy of WWE making him apologize, but 2375 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:51.680 because of the way that they are. But it's just 2376 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:53.520 it's just it's a dumb thing to say as a 2377 01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:55.199 public figure, even as a heel. I mean, you just 2378 01:51:55.239 --> 01:51:56.439 have to understand your rolin already. 2379 01:51:56.439 --> 01:51:58.199 You know, gives might you know you want to have 2380 01:51:58.279 --> 01:52:01.279 a moment with your girlfriend. There's just saying called direct message. 2381 01:52:01.119 --> 01:52:04.800 Yes exactly. So yeah, I should kind of disqualify you 2382 01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:09.680 from you know, being a favorite WW wrestler at least 2383 01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:11.680 if if they can't trust you in that way. And 2384 01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:13.760 that's where seen it by contrasts have been such a model, 2385 01:52:14.119 --> 01:52:16.760 you know, a model guy, and such the right choice. 2386 01:52:16.680 --> 01:52:19.039 And call me created. I don't know, but if there's 2387 01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:22.399 a if I'm worried that someone could be a Stoker type. 2388 01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:25.760 I don't know that I'm going to like publicly humiliate them. 2389 01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:28.760 Right, Yeah, Oh, I know, you're just asking for asking 2390 01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:31.640 for trouble. Yeah. At that point, Jason, that's it for me. 2391 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:34.039 On emails and topics, any any last one you want 2392 01:52:34.079 --> 01:52:34.920 to throw them before a wrap. 2393 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:38.479 Up anything new on TNA, And I just I kind 2394 01:52:38.479 --> 01:52:40.720 of throw my hands up because I just everyone seems 2395 01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:43.119 to have a different story or interpretation of what's going on. 2396 01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:46.319 Well, my take is Spike decided not to renew them, 2397 01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:48.439 and I don't know this to be true, but I 2398 01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:50.560 think they're still open to carrying them, and I don't 2399 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:51.960 think they have like another deal in place. There are 2400 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:53.800 a hundred percent committed to it. But I think they 2401 01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:56.439 get frustrated and said, you know, screw it, We're not 2402 01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:58.960 going to pay what you're asking for, and if you're 2403 01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:00.600 going to insist on this, we're going to walk away. 2404 01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:04.359 And the Russo thing was the last straw, and now 2405 01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:10.399 you know, they went the PR Agency went crawling back 2406 01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:12.520 to uh Spike and said, all right, let's let's just 2407 01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:13.920 try to make this work. You know, we're sorry, we 2408 01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:16.279 handle things on professionally. Let's make this work. And I 2409 01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:17.479 think I'll try to figure that out. 2410 01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:18.039 I was. 2411 01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:20.079 I was intrigued, but I don't know, you know, it 2412 01:53:20.479 --> 01:53:22.800 could be there just trying to get through this week's tapings. Yeah, 2413 01:53:22.840 --> 01:53:25.239 and and uh and they're going to do it like 2414 01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:27.800 Paul Hayman did you know, just let everybody know through 2415 01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:30.159 word of mouth that uh. I mean, that's one of 2416 01:53:30.199 --> 01:53:33.119 the worst things that comes across and in documentaries on 2417 01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:37.319 on ecw is is is the way that Hayman strong 2418 01:53:37.439 --> 01:53:40.720 leads guys along to work for him and sacrifice for 2419 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:44.159 him because of that carrot. And he didn't make personal 2420 01:53:44.199 --> 01:53:46.760 phone calls to top to bottom of the roster and 2421 01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:49.119 and tell them you know this is this is the 2422 01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:51.319 sad truth, and he just kind of disappeared and ended 2423 01:53:51.399 --> 01:53:53.800 up in WWF. That I think is one of the 2424 01:53:53.920 --> 01:53:56.720 dark parts about Hayman. If T and A is going under, 2425 01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:58.720 I hope or they don't get on Spike and they 2426 01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:01.039 don't have revenue and they have to fold. I hope 2427 01:54:01.079 --> 01:54:03.239 they do things better, but their history indicates they'll probably 2428 01:54:03.279 --> 01:54:05.560 find a way to do it even worse than that. Unfortunately, 2429 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:08.560 I did it fight it intriguing that Vince Russo said 2430 01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:13.520 in his writing his public statement that John Geberrick told 2431 01:54:14.319 --> 01:54:18.439 a TV official about me, and I was told they 2432 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:20.199 were okay with it. So therefore, and of course, you know, 2433 01:54:20.279 --> 01:54:22.600 we can't help with the all caps any reports that 2434 01:54:22.720 --> 01:54:24.640 Spike was Spike canceled t ANDA because of me or 2435 01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:27.359 false then three four paragraph later or whatever it was, 2436 01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:30.920 VINCERUZI goes, So if John was telling me the truth, 2437 01:54:31.439 --> 01:54:34.680 then that means that these stories aren't true. And it's like, 2438 01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:37.960 so he's calling everybody saying everybody's inaccurate and saying he 2439 01:54:38.039 --> 01:54:40.479 was a final straw. But even he's not sure if 2440 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:44.840 what John told him is actually true. So he doesn't 2441 01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:48.359 even know if the reason Spike dropped stop negotiations and 2442 01:54:48.520 --> 01:54:52.520 essentially canceled IMPACT is because John lied to him and said, no, 2443 01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:55.239 Spike's not you know that Spike never said they were 2444 01:54:55.239 --> 01:54:57.159 okay with it or the right person didn't. So that 2445 01:54:57.520 --> 01:54:59.760 I thought was kind of an interesting, you know, to 2446 01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:02.520 Russo explanation. 2447 01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:05.800 Yeah, well I've grown because I thot you're talking about 2448 01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:10.560 his initial statement that basically TNA suggested that he take 2449 01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:13.479 a break. I'm like, are you serious? So that I 2450 01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:15.439 mean basically they were just going to repeat history, Like 2451 01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:17.520 why don't you just lay low for a while. It's away. 2452 01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:20.880 I took that, and I know TNA's get their take 2453 01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:22.680 on it is. No, that's not what was said. But 2454 01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:26.399 if that was, wow, I mean that that's embarrassing and 2455 01:55:26.520 --> 01:55:28.359 jumping back to you know, if this were to be 2456 01:55:28.399 --> 01:55:31.479 the end of TNA, I don't think those phone calls 2457 01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:33.960 will come from Dixie. I mean her her. I'm not 2458 01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:35.880 saying it won't come from someone in the company. It 2459 01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:39.239 could be John Goborick or whomever. But with Dixie, this 2460 01:55:39.640 --> 01:55:44.479 woman hates delivering bad news. It's I don't understand. I mean, 2461 01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:47.439 no one likes to, but she hides from it, and 2462 01:55:47.720 --> 01:55:51.319 it just someday. I'm sure the story of Sting's final days, 2463 01:55:51.359 --> 01:55:53.680 I've heard bits and pieces, and you know, they had, 2464 01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:56.760 by all accounts, a good relationship and she just no 2465 01:55:56.920 --> 01:56:00.760 contact there towards the end, and it put people interrupt 2466 01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:02.640 position that had to deal with him toward the end 2467 01:56:02.680 --> 01:56:05.159 because she wouldn't just you know, do the right thing 2468 01:56:05.239 --> 01:56:07.159 and talk to him about what was going on and 2469 01:56:07.680 --> 01:56:09.600 why not just hey, we can't make it work, but 2470 01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:12.359 thank you and move on. I don't understand that. 2471 01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:16.079 Well, maybe they'll just be a sweet Hernandez. 2472 01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:18.640 The guy you interviewed on Friday, I mean, just shed 2473 01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:21.279 by Bile. All accounts loved Hernandez at one point. I 2474 01:56:21.439 --> 01:56:23.880 don't know if something changed in their relationship or whatever. 2475 01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:26.760 But my god, you can't just pick up the phone 2476 01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:29.840 and hey, Sean, here's what's going on. No, just avoid it, like, 2477 01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:31.479 I mean, it's crazy. 2478 01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:33.079 No, it is. I mean the stories you hear one 2479 01:56:33.079 --> 01:56:35.399 after another about so many facets of the way TENA 2480 01:56:36.039 --> 01:56:39.399 is run. It's not. The leadership isn't there to execute 2481 01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:42.720 a wrestling company constantly. It just isn't. And you know, 2482 01:56:42.840 --> 01:56:47.399 and it doesn't get better. You know, there's consistencies. You know, 2483 01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:50.640 Bob Ryder has been there from the beginning, there's you know, changeover, 2484 01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:52.439 there's new people like Dixie added to the mix with 2485 01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:54.159 the ownership change, and there's people who come and go, 2486 01:56:54.319 --> 01:56:57.399 like Bruce Prichard and John Goburick. But you just the 2487 01:56:57.520 --> 01:56:59.760 stories continue. Nobody's come in there and just cleaned it up. 2488 01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:02.479 No, And it's too bad, I mean, And part of that, 2489 01:57:02.520 --> 01:57:03.920 I think is she doesn't want to give people that 2490 01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:06.439 power to clean it up. I think that's why they 2491 01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:09.079 haven't been able to reach agreements with Paul Hayman and 2492 01:57:09.199 --> 01:57:12.920 Jim Ross, and you know, it's it's frustrating. I think 2493 01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:14.720 things could be so much better than they are, and 2494 01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:17.359 hopefully they'll get there. But it's all okay, wait, because 2495 01:57:17.399 --> 01:57:20.359 Jeff Jarrett just announced today that he has worked at 2496 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:24.199 a new working agreement with an independent promotion from South 2497 01:57:24.239 --> 01:57:25.319 Africa that I've never heard of. 2498 01:57:25.600 --> 01:57:28.199 You do this to me every week now, almost every 2499 01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:30.560 He's like, oh, GWF News and I'm like, and I 2500 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:32.399 know you're tongue cheek at this point, but I'm like, 2501 01:57:32.600 --> 01:57:36.439 show me the card, show me the building they're renting, 2502 01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:43.439 show me something. Besides, it's almost like he's filming a mockumentary, 2503 01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:46.840 Like I do. I think Jeff Jarrett is filming a 2504 01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:51.439 mockumentary about my journey starting a fake wrestling company, and 2505 01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:52.479 I'm going to do it. 2506 01:57:52.760 --> 01:57:54.119 That would be all the reality show. 2507 01:57:54.479 --> 01:57:56.640 It would be fun. And yeah, he's filming a reality 2508 01:57:56.680 --> 01:58:00.680 show and the only expense is a monthly fee a 2509 01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:03.880 like go Daddy for web hosting, and his frequent flyer 2510 01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:05.640 miles he's acquired over the years just fly around the 2511 01:58:05.640 --> 01:58:10.079 world and just throw out these platitudes about international relationships 2512 01:58:10.119 --> 01:58:11.960 and all that and it's just going to be a mockumentary. 2513 01:58:12.039 --> 01:58:14.439 I'm going to start a wrestling company and it's going 2514 01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:17.000 to get all this buzz. Of course I'm not biting, 2515 01:58:18.319 --> 01:58:19.680 but you know it's going to get all this buzz, 2516 01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:21.960 and I have no intention of ever running. I'm never 2517 01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:24.319 going to hire a wrestler. I'm never going to hire anybody. 2518 01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:27.119 But I'm going to have affiliations worldwide and a website, 2519 01:58:27.239 --> 01:58:28.800 and let's see how far this can go Unlet's see 2520 01:58:28.800 --> 01:58:30.600 where leads us. That's what it comes across to me, 2521 01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:34.880 more than a serious business plan and execution. But if 2522 01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:38.359 that's the case, he stringings some people along. I mean, 2523 01:58:38.399 --> 01:58:41.079 I know people that he's talked to about jobs down 2524 01:58:41.159 --> 01:58:44.000 the line, front office and wrestlers, and I mean it 2525 01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:47.119 so I don't think it's really happening. I'm just for effect. 2526 01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:50.439 For I'm just saying it. This just feels like it's 2527 01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:53.159 a satire to me. I'm only just shut up and 2528 01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:55.439 hire some people and announce something when you have something 2529 01:58:55.479 --> 01:58:56.000 to announce. 2530 01:58:56.199 --> 01:58:57.840 See, I knew you were going to come back with 2531 01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:01.640 something way. But it's okay because Jef Jared also announced 2532 01:59:01.680 --> 01:59:07.640 that he has a partnership with a promotion in India 2533 01:59:07.800 --> 01:59:08.239 as well. 2534 01:59:08.439 --> 01:59:10.680 Oh, I read that quote. I've been there. I'm familiar, 2535 01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:12.600 and I know there's a lot of fans, rabid fans. 2536 01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:16.000 Yes, and there are absolutely no I think it would. 2537 01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:19.439 I'd watch that mockumentary because I think you'd also see 2538 01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:22.720 Jeff and Karen like going to these indie shows where 2539 01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:24.720 they get paid money to come in and scout and 2540 01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:27.640 also paid money to hold these seminars, and then as 2541 01:59:27.680 --> 01:59:30.319 soon as like everybody leave or they go outside, they 2542 01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:32.359 can be sitting there snickering and laughing about how wow, 2543 01:59:32.439 --> 01:59:35.119 this guy just paid me for the scout talent for 2544 01:59:35.199 --> 01:59:36.399 this promotion that doesn't exist. 2545 01:59:36.439 --> 01:59:39.039 It'd be awesome, it would it would. I mean, you 2546 01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:40.960 know what if maybe they can just turn it into 2547 01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:43.000 that if it doesn't come through the way they want. 2548 01:59:43.119 --> 01:59:45.359 But who knows. We could be somebody could play this 2549 01:59:45.479 --> 01:59:47.560 back for me in two years and go, Wade Boyd, 2550 01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:49.319 did you underestumeate Jeff Jarrett? You know? 2551 01:59:49.439 --> 01:59:49.560 Oh? 2552 01:59:49.640 --> 01:59:50.960 And I hope so I do too. 2553 01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:53.840 Yeah, yeah, No, I mean, I sincerely hope this thing 2554 01:59:53.880 --> 01:59:56.560 gets off the ground. I just don't other than just 2555 01:59:56.680 --> 02:00:00.800 to keep the name. I don't understand why make your partnerships, 2556 02:00:00.800 --> 02:00:02.920 and that's that's all well and good, but what are they? 2557 02:00:03.680 --> 02:00:06.279 What are these? I mean, okay, what next week it's 2558 02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:08.760 going to be you found an indie promotion in Norway 2559 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:11.840 that wants to do some sort of an agreement for 2560 02:00:12.079 --> 02:00:13.479 a non existent wrestling promotion. 2561 02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:17.079 Whoopee do I know? No, I exactly. So anyway, that 2562 02:00:17.279 --> 02:00:22.159 is literally the time I will give another second. So Jason, 2563 02:00:22.199 --> 02:00:25.199 thank you very much. Good show, good callers, good email questions. 2564 02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:27.960 Kind of a just maintenance edition of RAW for the 2565 02:00:28.079 --> 02:00:29.880 most part, but some stuff for us to sink our 2566 02:00:29.920 --> 02:00:32.880 teeth into. We'll both on our respective sites be covering 2567 02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:34.680 all the other stuff. And we've already talked in more 2568 02:00:34.680 --> 02:00:37.079 in depth about the financials and network and all that, 2569 02:00:37.279 --> 02:00:39.399 so we didn't get into that today, but all the 2570 02:00:39.479 --> 02:00:42.319 fresh news from this week coming out of RAW, I 2571 02:00:42.399 --> 02:00:44.720 think we hit a lot of the key topics. So anyway, 2572 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:49.079 appreciate it, Appreciate our members for their support, and I'm 2573 02:00:49.119 --> 02:00:51.680 behalf of Jason Powell. This is Wade Keller signing off. 2574 02:01:08.640 --> 02:01:11.079 Invite you to email the show with feedback or questions 2575 02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:15.600 or comments. That email address is Wadekeller Podcast at petewtorch 2576 02:01:15.680 --> 02:01:19.520 dot com. That's Wadekeller podcast at pwtorch dot com. Also 2577 02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:22.359 welcome your feedback on Twitter. 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