Speaker 1: Calling All beings?
Speaker 2: Y'all?
Speaker 1: Ey, can I get a man for calling all beings?
Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody, Welcome back to Calling All Beings. I'm
Speaker 1: your host DJ on a night when we're going to
Speaker 1: have some straight original gangsters up in this joint. Okay,
Speaker 1: people that are you know, if we're thinking like in
Speaker 1: terms of like actual fire, you know, when you're doing
Speaker 1: a call for fire, you have troops and contact essentially
Speaker 1: if you're outside of like two hundred meters you know,
Speaker 1: anything inside of that year what we call danger close.
Speaker 1: So folks like myself and the other guests who hopefully
Speaker 1: will be on later Christina, we are outside the danger zone.
Speaker 1: If there were a call for fire, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: get fragged on. We're not in danger. But the first
Speaker 1: two folks who you're gonna see on screen tonight are
Speaker 1: One of them is my co host. The other one
Speaker 1: is our special guest. So let me introduce them in
Speaker 1: the order of my co host. This woman right here,
Speaker 1: I think could legitimately be considered by Bostonian, says the
Speaker 1: Helen of Troy of Boston. It's the party people put
Speaker 1: those who together for my homie Betray. Can I get it? Ay?
Speaker 1: Man from somebody for Helen of Troy Ran. It's gonna
Speaker 1: come for that, Oh my goodness. And Boston Detroit. I
Speaker 1: totally love it. Oh be interested. It's an honor to
Speaker 1: have you back on the show, ma'am to co host
Speaker 1: with me, because you are an original gangster like our guests.
Speaker 1: So you guys can chop it up because you don't
Speaker 1: been there and done that.
Speaker 3: I can't say credit our guests. Is definitely the og gangster.
Speaker 1: He's there today right. Yes, we're playing no kind of
Speaker 1: games with nobody. So I had the pleasure of meeting
Speaker 1: this gentleman who I had wanted to meet because he
Speaker 1: had shown up in the cab chat and shown support
Speaker 1: for the show. Then he had we had seen each
Speaker 1: other in other chats, and I really really appreciated when
Speaker 1: he came on because it told me that we're doing
Speaker 1: something right it you know, Frank, it legitimized the show.
Speaker 1: You know, when somebody like this gentleman showed up and
Speaker 1: shows up and then finally you introduced me to him,
Speaker 1: You're like, there he is, that's him. He's in cost
Speaker 1: he had an amazing costume at the Halloween party. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about next year, potentially I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: a shoey and unless you're a kiwiir Nausy or familiar
Speaker 1: with their culture or rugby, you probably don't know what
Speaker 1: a shoe he is. But I will do one next
Speaker 1: year from Turtle Boys Converse if certain conditions are met.
Speaker 1: But without further ado, let's bring on this original gangster
Speaker 1: and I would like all the party people that's up
Speaker 1: in the joint to put day hands together. From my
Speaker 1: man Scott the Guinness, can I get aho me him? Scott?
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on, brother. It was just what
Speaker 1: are we like? Two three weeks ago?
Speaker 4: That Halloween party?
Speaker 1: It's like two years ago. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've unpacked my bag from Boston yet it would. I
Speaker 1: still don't want that trip to end. It really was.
Speaker 1: And next year I'm gonna be more prepared for for
Speaker 1: what that craziness that's gonna go down, and I will
Speaker 1: be there next year, but even sooner than that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be there January twelfth to have a quote meal
Speaker 1: love food with some FKR homies. You obviously are invited
Speaker 1: and whomever else out there that's part of f CAR Nation.
Speaker 1: Uh and Beatrice is gonna help me find a place
Speaker 1: that we can have it at.
Speaker 4: That sounds good, sound good.
Speaker 1: Make sure you wear your scale cop and your park
Speaker 1: it's gonna be cold, all right. H The first question
Speaker 1: goes to my illustrious co host Beatrice.
Speaker 3: All right, let's see Scott, hope you're ready for us.
Speaker 4: Okay, so tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3: Your background.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I worked in criminal justice for over
Speaker 5: thirty two years.
Speaker 4: That would be the short. Yeah, okay, okay, but a
Speaker 4: long time turtle rider. And then when Turtle Boy's first
Speaker 4: story broke, can't and.
Speaker 2: Cover up part one, That's when I jumped on board
Speaker 2: right away.
Speaker 4: I knew this was a cover up. I could feel
Speaker 4: it in my bones.
Speaker 1: I just want to tell everybody good evening to everything. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, instead of me typing, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say it a good evening to everyone in the chat.
Speaker 1: It looks like we had you know what I might
Speaker 1: put it. I got my specs here, man, you would
Speaker 1: go all right, we have Jonathan, we have Christia, Cheryl,
Speaker 1: JT Traffic Conte. Wait a minute, JT Traffic Conte, this
Speaker 1: looks like your avatar right there. Let's see everybody else
Speaker 1: all things. Oh there's my man, all things unexplained. That
Speaker 1: is a professor or actually doctor Tim Mountce from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: He's a bigfoot and UFO investigator. Anyway, and Greg, what's
Speaker 1: up Holmes? I see you up there? So all right,
Speaker 1: now that we've got through that, Beatrice asked a great
Speaker 1: first question, and obviously maybe you want to be guarded
Speaker 1: about what exactly your role was in criminal justice, and
Speaker 1: that's totally fine. I guess my next question to be,
Speaker 1: what was the accelerant for you if this were a fire?
Speaker 1: What was it that that got the fire going in you,
Speaker 1: that made you decide I need to start paying attention
Speaker 1: to this and putting some of my sweat equity into this.
Speaker 2: Like I said, when I when when when Aiden broke
Speaker 2: story number one?
Speaker 4: When when we learned the circumstances early.
Speaker 6: On Offer o'keef being found on offs the Brian Roberts lawn,
Speaker 6: it was it was absolutely outrageous and preposterous.
Speaker 2: If if Johnald Keith had been dropped off at a
Speaker 2: civilian's house party two doors down, this never would have
Speaker 2: happened the way it happened. So I saw it instantly.
Speaker 2: This is a cover up. The fix was in before
Speaker 2: Canton police even arrived.
Speaker 4: At thirty four Fear of View. That's how I viewed it,
Speaker 4: right from the get go, right from the jump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I like to tell people that in
Speaker 1: my in my outsider's opinion. And by the way, Hi,
Speaker 1: Debbie Krueger from Arizona. It is so awesome. You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Christina on tonight from Indiana. You're from Arizona,
Speaker 1: and there are people outside. We're outside the ring of
Speaker 1: lethality there where these guys can get threatened, they can
Speaker 1: have their cars mess with, you know, any number that
Speaker 1: can be docs, any number of things. But we support
Speaker 1: you even though we're not physically there with you, and
Speaker 1: hopefully that that makes you feel good. It would be
Speaker 1: if I was in if I was in the fight
Speaker 1: the way that you guys are. But I like to
Speaker 1: say I'm fond of saying that the investigation began in
Speaker 1: earnest when the first supervisor officer stepped foot on the
Speaker 1: lawn of thirty four Fairview, and it ended the moment
Speaker 1: they decided not to knock on the door. That was
Speaker 1: the end of the investigation.
Speaker 4: Pretty much. I mean, it's not range it's that.
Speaker 2: Crime team was never secured, the house was never really
Speaker 2: approached later on in the morning by one.
Speaker 4: Of bran Albert's friends.
Speaker 2: But if that was a civilian's house, that that whole
Speaker 2: scenario straight from the jump was completely different.
Speaker 4: Right, How do they know there wasn't people dying in
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 2: You see a beaten dog, bitten man on somebody's front lawn.
Speaker 4: You gott isolated to that twenty square foot area when
Speaker 4: Canton's can'ton. Police actions made zero sense to me.
Speaker 1: Oh, they make total sense to me, because if you're
Speaker 1: trying to off the skate, what action, what you what
Speaker 1: may or may not have actually happened, then you have
Speaker 1: to do it wrong because if you do it right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna come to the conclusion that doesn't fit the
Speaker 1: narrative you're trying to provide. So I think there's no
Speaker 1: incompetence here whatsoever. That that I think everything was rather purposeful.
Speaker 4: I agree, you know that that's one of the uh,
Speaker 4: that's one of.
Speaker 2: The and Terry's or descriptions. It was like Ian Runkle
Speaker 2: on the Bailey up in Canada. He says, it's you know,
Speaker 2: laughable police in confidence, And I say, No, it's actually cunning.
Speaker 4: A cunning cover up disguised as inconfidence.
Speaker 1: You know, I was curious to get her. Since you
Speaker 1: were involved in the criminal justice system. What do you
Speaker 1: think the purpose of the backpack blower was? What do
Speaker 1: you think the actual I mean in their mind, were
Speaker 1: they blowing away foot tracks? What do you think they
Speaker 1: were trying to do with the backpack blower.
Speaker 2: I still don't understand what Gallagher was doing there.
Speaker 4: I don't Maybe if he was in.
Speaker 2: On the planted cocktail glass, that was his way of
Speaker 2: removing layers of snow to get to the cocktail glass.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: But obviously they didn't find any tail eight in the
Speaker 5: morning because there wasn't there.
Speaker 4: I don't think that was their initial plan mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I think that planting the tailight idea came up later
Speaker 2: on in the day.
Speaker 1: It had to have, because they didn't know what they
Speaker 1: were going to have when they went to Dyton, because
Speaker 1: nobody had photographs of the car. And then they went
Speaker 1: to Dyton and they still didn't take photographs of the
Speaker 1: car because that could have been exculpatory, So that they
Speaker 1: must have come up to that with Jen McCabe's help. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know she told us the tail light was cracked.
Speaker 1: I mean all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're a Kenneck's initial correspondence with the
Speaker 2: Medical Examiner's office was he gave the Medical Examiner a
Speaker 2: scenario where johnal Keep was assaulted and somehow or a
Speaker 2: cocktail glass or some.
Speaker 4: Kind of story.
Speaker 2: Bu Kenn's initial story had nothing to do with being
Speaker 2: hit by a car, right.
Speaker 3: I think they said it was a stick at first. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that's the term.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think they quickly abandoned that plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean a domestic with how she yeah,
Speaker 1: she beat up?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, they were gonna say, so is that Beatrice. I
Speaker 1: have a feeling like that that cocktail glass was planted there.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the cocktail glass? How do
Speaker 1: you think that unfolded?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't necessarily want to speculate.
Speaker 1: Oh it's fun, it's fun in the chat. Do you
Speaker 1: want to hear beetro speculator not put a wire?
Speaker 2: There's already one hundred different speculations on this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Well, I mean we saw John O'Keefe leave
Speaker 3: the waterfall with the cocktail glass, right, so I think yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I think he possibly could have, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: could have gone in the house with a cocktail glass.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's something you don't really ever know from
Speaker 4: Karen Reid herself. You gonna have to ask Karen Reid.
Speaker 2: Did he exit you'r a vehicle in a cocktail glass?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: But did he leave it in your car or something?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh here, Debbie says she wants to hear it be
Speaker 1: a trius speculator.
Speaker 3: I tried, Debbie.
Speaker 1: I tried, Hey, what's up, LJ? Can I do that?
Speaker 1: From Larry Johnson when he played for the Knicks, he
Speaker 1: would do this LJ thing? And you guys won't remember that.
Speaker 1: I know better O would if he was here because
Speaker 1: he's a big basketball fan like me. But anyway, I mean,
Speaker 1: I wonder if if they planted that class or not.
Speaker 1: I really, to be honest with you, I mean I should,
Speaker 1: I should be stricken by lightning. This is blasphemous. I
Speaker 1: really don't like that. That's how they performed that test
Speaker 1: with the cannon, you know, shooting it it would they
Speaker 1: say up to thirty one miles an hour. I think
Speaker 1: they shot that cocktail glass to shatter it. I think
Speaker 1: that could explain how they Yeah, I think that could
Speaker 1: explain how they shattered actually shattered the tail light with
Speaker 1: you know, a blunt object. And there's a phenomenal content creator.
Speaker 1: I discovered twenty four hours before I met Beatrice A
Speaker 1: Scott where she bought Alexis five to seventy tail light.
Speaker 1: She deconstructed the tail light, and I think she contacted
Speaker 1: Dave that that also did a bunch guy named Dave
Speaker 1: who did a bunch of work on that, and they
Speaker 1: described the exact hand tool that they think could have
Speaker 1: produced that that could have smashed it in that way
Speaker 1: and broken the artifacts inside. That would have been sufficient
Speaker 1: enough for it to look the way it did in
Speaker 1: the forty five pieces, I think, And I said, let
Speaker 1: me just finish this one point because I want, I
Speaker 1: want to get you in here. But I feel like
Speaker 1: they should have taken an anatomical figure, a six foot
Speaker 1: two figure, and they use them on shows like Forged
Speaker 1: in Fire when they're testing the samurai swords. They'll cut
Speaker 1: a faux body in half and it looks like an
Speaker 1: anatomical human, but it's made up of a rubber eyed substance,
Speaker 1: even as blood inside it, and it's it's the weight
Speaker 1: and mass of an actual, you know, two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty pound human being like him. I would love to
Speaker 1: that show.
Speaker 4: MythBusters used to do that too. They would take a
Speaker 4: they would take a skeleton and in case it in.
Speaker 2: You know, like rubber, so we would the bones would
Speaker 2: break and everything.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, exactly, I that's exactly even better example
Speaker 1: because the forged and fire they don't have the bones
Speaker 1: in there. I would love to see them do that
Speaker 1: and then take a Lexus five seventy and back up,
Speaker 1: run it over at twenty four miles an hour and
Speaker 1: see what happens, and see what physically where they have
Speaker 1: sensors inside the body and all that. I realized this
Speaker 1: would cost you know, the FBI tons of money. But
Speaker 1: you think that's the test. I mean, that's you know,
Speaker 1: stick it in a parking lot and then just flower
Speaker 1: it in reverse to where you think you can hit
Speaker 1: twenty four miles an hour and it's probably not going
Speaker 1: to be sixty two feet by the way, But what
Speaker 1: do you think of that? Beah?
Speaker 3: Well, I would actually like to take a hammer to
Speaker 3: the headlight and see.
Speaker 1: What happens to the head light.
Speaker 3: They remember that the headlights.
Speaker 2: I'm the tail light.
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh my gosh, the tail light. I wonder.
Speaker 2: I mean, one thing, you get to remember when FBI
Speaker 2: hired these soccer crash daddies, they weren't trying to solve
Speaker 2: the crime. What they were trying to do is proved
Speaker 2: that the tail light was planted. That's two different investigations.
Speaker 4: Do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: No? How does that prove it?
Speaker 2: No? I think the FBI was under the impression and
Speaker 2: that Procter and company planted that tail a.
Speaker 4: They saw the autopsy photos and John o'keep's.
Speaker 2: Injuries, and the FBI is like, wait a minute, how
Speaker 2: did this tail a shatter into forty five pieces found
Speaker 2: over several weeks.
Speaker 4: This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Even if we go with their latest story where she
Speaker 2: was backing up at twenty four miles an hour and
Speaker 2: it hit his arm and shattered the cocktail glass or whatever.
Speaker 4: Nothing matched up for the FBI. So I think the
Speaker 4: FBI ocher.
Speaker 2: Investigation was simply to determine there's no way this tailight
Speaker 2: broke in this scenario they described. We believed that Officer
Speaker 2: Procter planted the tail So the ocker investigation was more
Speaker 2: to discover whether or not the tail it was planted
Speaker 2: than it was to discover how John O'Keefe was killed.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously it didn't that That theory obviously didn't work
Speaker 1: very well because the jury didn't buy it, and in fact,
Speaker 1: they thought that those guys were hired by the insurance
Speaker 1: company because Judge bev wouldn't allow them to mention a
Speaker 1: certain three letter law enforcement agency.
Speaker 2: It wasn't as much as I hate Beverly Cononi and
Speaker 2: as much as I believe her to be corrupt, it
Speaker 2: wasn't all Beverly Cononie's fault. US attorney Joshua Levy wrote
Speaker 2: a letter to Beverly Cononi basically prohibiting her from revealing
Speaker 2: to the jury directly the federal investigation.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't all Ben's fault.
Speaker 1: Oh, so they would have had to just define it
Speaker 1: in a different way without indicating that it was the FBI.
Speaker 2: It was kind of intimated in the beginning of the
Speaker 2: trial that if the federal investigation comes out naturally and then.
Speaker 4: Somehow the doors opened, they were going to let it in.
Speaker 2: Similar to the whole Aidan Carney witness intimidation thing, where
Speaker 2: bed found a way to make sure that got shoehorned in.
Speaker 2: But as far as the FBI federal investigation, Bell was
Speaker 2: trying to keep it out, Karen Reid's defense team was
Speaker 2: trying to keep it out. They kept mentioning the other
Speaker 2: hearing you know what I mean, They couldn't say federal
Speaker 2: grand jury. So everybody was tiptoeing through the eggshells on
Speaker 2: that the whole trial. So it's not necessarily all Beverly's
Speaker 2: fault because when US Attorney Joshua Levey offered the thirty
Speaker 2: thirty one hundred pages of CHEWI, he also gave it
Speaker 2: to the court with a disclaimer, you can't tell the jury.
Speaker 4: That a federal investigation is going on.
Speaker 2: So that muddied the waters and complicated everything greatly. And
Speaker 2: it hurts because the jury thought oker guys were hired
Speaker 2: by Aaron Read's insurance company or something for her insurance.
Speaker 1: Let me let Beatrice get in here, because I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm babbling.
Speaker 3: No, I was just saying they I think what they
Speaker 3: thought was that either Turtle Boy hired them or her
Speaker 3: insurance company hired them. With that said Scott, I'm curious
Speaker 3: what drives you to show up to every court day,
Speaker 3: every event like what drives.
Speaker 4: You just driven just it's just drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: The whole thing, the outrageousness of the cover up, the uh,
Speaker 2: the corruption.
Speaker 4: Gets me deep in the heart. I can't stand it.
Speaker 4: And I know what's going on in that trial court.
Speaker 2: I know Beverly Canoni for her past, her connections.
Speaker 4: To Da Morrissey. I see a big picture of a
Speaker 4: just the opposite of Meatball.
Speaker 2: Morrissey's hostage tape from twenty twenty three where he denies everything.
Speaker 4: I say, reverse that mirror image. It just like the
Speaker 4: Sally Port video. Everything he denies in that video is
Speaker 4: exactly what's happening.
Speaker 1: Scott, What do you think about having a standout at
Speaker 1: the canton DA's office in Canon whereby you have a
Speaker 1: hot dog vendor, but instead of those little bins being
Speaker 1: filled up with the warm water and the hot dogs,
Speaker 1: you have meatballs and then he has bread and you
Speaker 1: guys like stand out in the front of and parade
Speaker 1: meatball sub out in front of. That would be perfect, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I've protested there eight times. We're going there
Speaker 2: next Wednesday. I think that'll be my ninth time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but now going four or five times we marked
Speaker 4: around the building so we can march around with a
Speaker 4: hot meatball cart.
Speaker 1: You know this is exactly it. Everybody, Hey, meatball subs here,
Speaker 1: come and get your meatball sub. See if any of
Speaker 1: those MSP guys come out and get a meatball sub,
Speaker 1: you know, you can have like the little oven. You
Speaker 1: could sort of bake the palm until of it. I've
Speaker 1: got ideas, Beatrice, Man, you ain't the only one. Okay.
Speaker 2: I can picture Meatball Morrissey running out the backfire door there,
Speaker 2: running out to get a meatball sub.
Speaker 4: I can see you.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see that dude waddle and run. That
Speaker 1: would be awesome. I got to answer some of the questions.
Speaker 1: So Belinda came in and she wants to know, is
Speaker 1: this Scott McGinnis the same person that's a mod for
Speaker 1: Melanie Little. Yes, this is the same Scott.
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: Now that's Scott the former New York City detective and
Speaker 2: Scott messer Schmidt.
Speaker 4: So she has two Scotts that are mods on her channel.
Speaker 4: But I'm not one of them.
Speaker 2: Oh great, Scott, But I'm in her channel all the time,
Speaker 2: so they get all the Scott's confused.
Speaker 1: I can totally understand that. Okay, uh, I think I
Speaker 1: have a question for you guys here. Beatrice will Reach
Speaker 1: probably did better in college than I.
Speaker 3: All right, correction, I'm curious as to the impact of
Speaker 3: baseball that would do to the tail light. I doubt
Speaker 3: that impact would crack into a million pieces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me see. I'm gonna try to get this
Speaker 1: the link for you guys and posted in the chat.
Speaker 1: Because literally the day I showed up in Boston, I'm
Speaker 1: leaving the airport, I'm talking to Suzanne, and I saw this.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to this YouTube of this woman. She's in
Speaker 1: mass choose it somewhere because she drove the tail light
Speaker 1: that she deconstructed and brought it to Ynetti's office, and
Speaker 1: she sounded like so intelligent and just you know, her
Speaker 1: research was incredibly well done. She's a former teacher, either
Speaker 1: maybe at the high school or college level. Let me
Speaker 1: see if I can find this there. It is the
Speaker 1: tail light whisperer. That's the one. Have you guys heard
Speaker 1: of that one? Let me see if I can hold
Speaker 1: on a sec I'm gonna try to put this in
Speaker 1: the chat. Yeah, this this lady's really good. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: be able to put this in the chat. I don't
Speaker 1: know her name, but she did an outstanding job, and
Speaker 1: I realized there's another original gangster of the community named
Speaker 1: Dave that did it. But if you guys click on
Speaker 1: this link right here, there is Scott. This is an
Speaker 1: outstanding deconstruction of She called Toyota Usa, Lexus, she called Japan,
Speaker 1: she did everything, and then finally she went and ordered
Speaker 1: tellite of a twenty one Lexus five seventy and wanted
Speaker 1: to go through this process. So I encourage everybody to
Speaker 1: click and save this link. Also want to say is
Speaker 1: shout out for everybody that's in the chat right now
Speaker 1: before we get back into the discussion. If you are
Speaker 1: a free Karen Read person and you attended Dean College,
Speaker 1: please DM me or email me at calling All Beings
Speaker 1: one at Gmail, because we are going to have a
Speaker 1: Dean College roundtable with none other than Terry. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I keep I always want to call her
Speaker 1: Terry Farrell, and that's not It's Terry Robbins. Terry Robbins,
Speaker 1: a Free Karen Reader, the former twenty nine year board
Speaker 1: member at Dean College. We're gonna do an all Dean
Speaker 1: Karen Read roundtable, So please solids you boy a right glad.
Speaker 3: Beatrice, All right, So have you ever actually talked to
Speaker 3: Karen one on one?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I actually went into the trial one day
Speaker 2: with the Reed family and her.
Speaker 4: It was weird though, because.
Speaker 2: Early on in the three Karen Reid Movement, sometime over
Speaker 2: the winter.
Speaker 4: I was standing out there like I always.
Speaker 2: Do on the side of the courthouse and Karen Reid
Speaker 2: and her aunt Garage are walking by me, and I
Speaker 2: had like an opportunity where I was kind of like alone,
Speaker 2: and I said Hi Karen, and she goes Hi, Scott,
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, she knows who I am.
Speaker 4: That was weird. She knows like everybody in the movement
Speaker 4: and how many people she knows.
Speaker 1: And Richie, I want to say so, first of all, Dennis,
Speaker 1: Dennis Sweeney my man. We're gonna see Dennis January twelfth
Speaker 1: for a meal of food. Richie, hey man, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming in again. I was tweeting at
Speaker 1: you today on another live Thank you for coming in
Speaker 1: and supporting the show, bro and we hope that you
Speaker 1: are one successful And if you ever want to talk
Speaker 1: to a brother, let me know. Do you want Beatrice
Speaker 1: do you want to get into the Sean Aiden stuff
Speaker 1: now or do you want to keep going on the
Speaker 1: case or oh look at those lines gone? What up
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 4: You're the bus I.
Speaker 1: Mean, okay, so do you want so Scott, we can
Speaker 1: ask you for your take. Maybe we can state our
Speaker 1: positions all of Beatrice can state hers first, I'll state
Speaker 1: my second, and then you could be the cleanup batter here.
Speaker 1: So Sean drama back and forth, Twitter dueling youtubees. I
Speaker 1: guess Sean's gonna be on tonight, so I'll know he's
Speaker 1: gonna be on with KPO DOUBLEG. Yeah, So go ahead, Beatrice,
Speaker 1: your position is, ma'am.
Speaker 4: All right, So.
Speaker 3: Nobody likes to see their parents like fighting, right, can
Speaker 3: we just you know, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 3: you know, just start off with that nobody wants to
Speaker 3: see their parents fighting, and then you're kind of like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, what's going on? Like I respect both gentlemen.
Speaker 3: I think as somebody who's been on YouTube watching YouTube
Speaker 3: for a long time, I go to both of them
Speaker 3: for different reasons. I think, again, we have the one
Speaker 3: thing in common, that's, you know, we all believe in
Speaker 3: Karen's innocence and we're all free Karen Reid, and we
Speaker 3: do want justice for John O'Keefe, but we know that
Speaker 3: it's not through Karen Reid. It's by exonerating Karen Reid.
Speaker 3: So I would say that we go to them for
Speaker 3: different points of views, and I love and respect both
Speaker 3: of them. And you know, I mean, I'm actually a
Speaker 3: little sad if I'm honest that this is going on,
Speaker 3: because I feel like it could be done maybe behind
Speaker 3: the scenes. But not to criticize anybody, but I just
Speaker 3: I just think as long as we don't lose our focus,
Speaker 3: and I think as long as we, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day all believe in Karen's innocence, That's that's
Speaker 3: where I stand.
Speaker 1: My position is very pretty much in concert with what
Speaker 1: Beatrice says. I have respect for both these guys. Sean
Speaker 1: is responsible for launching CAB in Calling All Beings. CAB
Speaker 1: is for short for those of you who don't know.
Speaker 1: You can see in the lower right hand corner here.
Speaker 1: He's responsible for launching Calling All Beings into this space.
Speaker 1: We were just getting started into true crime just before this,
Speaker 1: and we did an investigation in Pennsylvania of a missing mom,
Speaker 1: a forty four year old Shelvy Rafty and then Karen
Speaker 1: read Case came along. So Sean is my boy and
Speaker 1: all that. I also respect Aiden enormously. I've gotten to
Speaker 1: meet him once. He is a warrior. Does he say
Speaker 1: things that I might not love? Sure? Would I say
Speaker 1: things that maybe Aiden wouldn't love? Sure? But we have
Speaker 1: to meet people where they're at, and that's life, you know.
Speaker 1: You can't mold people into exactly what you want them
Speaker 1: to be. They're gonna be who they are. You accept
Speaker 1: what's good about them, and then maybe some things you
Speaker 1: don't love about them, and maybe they are things about
Speaker 1: you that they don't love and that are imperfect. I
Speaker 1: have imperfections and problems and things about me that aren't awesome,
Speaker 1: you know, and I have other things about me that
Speaker 1: are really cool. But there's both sides, and all of
Speaker 1: us have that. So with Sean and Aiden is this.
Speaker 1: You have two gentlemen who are absolutely alpha type leaders
Speaker 1: that consider themselves the leader of the movement, and they
Speaker 1: don't really want to make space for another leader. And
Speaker 1: when there's just the littlest thing that happens, they're ready
Speaker 1: to go off and point out something about that other leader.
Speaker 1: The fact of The matter is, we need both these guys.
Speaker 1: Sean has contacts as a result of being a thirty
Speaker 1: five year LEO that Aiden will not have, and he
Speaker 1: will have a trust among law enforcement that Aiden will
Speaker 1: not have. Aiden has sources and methods and people that
Speaker 1: he talks to that Sean doesn't have. So we need
Speaker 1: both guys. Let me give pass it over to my
Speaker 1: boy Scott.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, you know, I I we all none
Speaker 2: of us want to see the infighting in Free Karen Reid.
Speaker 2: You know, so it's it's sad, you know. So I think,
Speaker 2: like you said, you've got two egos that are clashing
Speaker 2: right now, you know, And obviously I respect Sean, you know,
Speaker 2: his his law enforcement career.
Speaker 5: You know, part of me gives them the gives them
Speaker 5: the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 4: Like he's on some side of sort of scio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing in the mud with the other side. I
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what he's doing right now, but obviously
Speaker 2: him and Aiden are on bad terms right now.
Speaker 4: I'm just waiting for it to blow over, to be honest.
Speaker 5: You know, the locker room you know, there's locker room fighting,
Speaker 5: and there's been locker room fighting and Free Karen Reid to.
Speaker 4: Be fully honest, Yes, but you know those locker room fights.
Speaker 2: When it's time to take the field and where we're
Speaker 2: on our mission against the enemy, the locker room fights
Speaker 2: stay in the locker room.
Speaker 4: We're all on the same team.
Speaker 1: And Sandra Birchmore has had the similar drama. They've had
Speaker 1: some very similar drama. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, so I don't want to really comment on it
Speaker 2: too much because I'm hoping it just kind of works
Speaker 2: itself out.
Speaker 4: And maybe and maybe.
Speaker 2: Sean is doing some sort of SCIOs, you know, going
Speaker 2: on Kep Peter's show and talking to the other side
Speaker 2: for all they know, they're being duped by Sean.
Speaker 4: I mean, Sean used to do that to the DEA,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I don't know what he's
Speaker 4: up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're gonna, if you're gonna make a convincing
Speaker 1: counterintelligence operative, you better make the other side think that
Speaker 1: you are at odds with who they want you to
Speaker 1: be at odds with, or they're not gonna trust to
Speaker 1: Miss Beatrice please, dude.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: So read Dennis's comment. Oh I'm sorry, then you christ.
Speaker 3: All right. Unity leads to finality. It's about free Karen
Speaker 3: read justice for excuse me, justice for Officer Don O'Keefe.
Speaker 3: Everything else is secondary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want, I mean, if if in any
Speaker 1: military operation you want to try to divide and conquer.
Speaker 1: And speaking of psyops, we we used to drop leaflets
Speaker 1: to the enemy that would say things to them, that
Speaker 1: would try to inflame them against whoever we wanted them
Speaker 1: to be inflamed. Again, now you know, our country is
Speaker 1: split down the middle in terms of this political bs.
Speaker 1: It's all worth nothing, it's all crap. But the Russians
Speaker 1: and the Chinese love it because the more we're at
Speaker 1: odds with one another, then the less we can be
Speaker 1: unified in our opposition to them. So this is helpful.
Speaker 2: I mean conquering the hearts and minds of the enemy,
Speaker 2: dividing and conquering your enemy.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Well, it's all part of the psyops propaganda all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah. And so hopefully hopefully Sean is conducting
Speaker 1: some sort of an op that would make sense. God
Speaker 1: God willing, that's what he's doing. All right, And now
Speaker 1: to my illustrious co host, Boston's Helen of Troy Beatrice
Speaker 1: for her next question.
Speaker 3: All right, so what is your plan moving forward to
Speaker 3: continue to show up at every court date.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean Kate Peter's got some court dates
Speaker 2: coming up, Karen Reid of the court date Wednesday for
Speaker 2: the rule seventeen motions. And then that same day, later
Speaker 2: in the afternoon, we go to protests. DA meet Paul
Speaker 2: Morrissey's office for me the ninth time.
Speaker 4: You know, I like, we like marching around the building.
Speaker 2: We look up to the second floor where all the
Speaker 2: DA's office employees are looking out the windows. I'm expecting
Speaker 2: to see signs in the window, like help me, could
Speaker 2: that because I think.
Speaker 1: That's seats tied together?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that's how much trouble their office
Speaker 2: is in right now, because because of d A. Morrissey's
Speaker 2: District Attorney's office. With a ship that sea it's foundering
Speaker 2: taking on water. There's multiple fires on board.
Speaker 1: No doubt man, no doubt, no doubt man. And there's
Speaker 1: uh what my favorite protests. Yeah, so everybody wants to
Speaker 1: see the meatball cart, so please Yeah, I mean, where's
Speaker 1: uh rich what's the gym woman's name that is micro DUTs.
Speaker 1: It's Richie, right, is that Richie?
Speaker 4: Richie?
Speaker 1: Richie? If you can somehow arrange this. You know, we
Speaker 1: need to meet ball cart to be at the standout.
Speaker 1: We need several loaves of bread that we're gonna be
Speaker 1: good to go. What's up, Sherry? He has a going home.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you here in a minute, but it's
Speaker 1: good to see you back. Uh, David Cornish? What's the
Speaker 1: clapping and cheering in the background. Oh, let me know
Speaker 1: if I still got it that on? Thank you, David.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Let me turn that out. Okay, my apologies.
Speaker 1: I forgot to turn that off. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I thought we had like a cheering section in the background.
Speaker 1: Now those no, he was hearing. He was hearing this
Speaker 1: not a very low volume. So thank you, Thank you, David.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man, it takes it. It takes a
Speaker 1: village to make one of these shows. Man, it can't
Speaker 1: be just me. I want to agree with this person.
Speaker 1: Micro DUTs is amazing. Blows me away, and when we're
Speaker 1: dedicated to he's he's talented dude everywhere. Yeah, like those
Speaker 1: digital representations of Brian's kitchen, like I was gonna go
Speaker 1: in there and see if there was any monster cheese
Speaker 1: that was uneaten. You know, a couple of crackers.
Speaker 4: Sorry, and that voice too.
Speaker 3: That voice, it's like it's just like capture.
Speaker 1: The British dude.
Speaker 2: Oh the uk Ai voice.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, man.
Speaker 2: I always joked they use those Uka accents to like
Speaker 2: convince Americans like infomercials. You know, for some reason Americans
Speaker 2: look at the UK accents like more believable or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They all sound smart, right, I mean, they all sound smart.
Speaker 1: It really blows me away. The three years that I
Speaker 1: lived in England, I had no idea how many towns
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts were named after British towns. To England, I
Speaker 1: was like, what all these names, like, are all from
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. It's amazing. So uh.
Speaker 2: I guess when they were populating in this area, they're like, well,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna name this after my hometown over in
Speaker 2: the UK.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh absolutely, yeah. I mean look at like Charlottesville,
Speaker 1: you know, or let me think Charlotte, North Carolina, I
Speaker 1: believe is named after one of the King's daughters, Charlotte
Speaker 1: Charles town w you know it was King Charles. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're all over the place, man. Really. Georgia is named.
Speaker 2: The cities and towns like in Massachusetts to Hampshire, Rhode Island.
Speaker 2: They're either from UK origin, or they're named after a
Speaker 2: famous person, or they're named after Native American language Native American.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if you want to see hear a lot
Speaker 1: of those names from the Evolutionary War. There is a
Speaker 1: show that was on Netflix called Turn Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of that?
Speaker 4: Turn?
Speaker 1: Okay? Essentially it was about the under so think of
Speaker 1: around the presidency of George Washington, when there was or
Speaker 1: a pre revolutionary was General Washington, I'm sorry General Washington, uh,
Speaker 1: and there was a resistance movement that was trying to
Speaker 1: undercut the British who were obviously encamped here and part
Speaker 1: of the culture. And the Tories were you know, they
Speaker 1: were part of part of America. They're like this is
Speaker 1: you know, we own this and this underground movement. They
Speaker 1: talked about a lot of those towns, you know those uh,
Speaker 1: the towns that were that were named after Native American places,
Speaker 1: and it is an outstanding series about real people who
Speaker 1: were the first special operators that were trying to subvert
Speaker 1: the British right under their noses, uh and give information
Speaker 1: back to UH. That was when General Arnold Benedict Rold
Speaker 1: switched sides from from the US the Colonist back over
Speaker 1: to the British. So yeah, turn check it out man,
Speaker 1: great great series. Yeah. Anyway, so I kind of what
Speaker 1: was interested, Uh, maybe to go into the night at
Speaker 1: thirty four Fairview, if you're interested. I I've had a
Speaker 1: hypothesis that I've passed over to Beatrice. She's looked at it.
Speaker 1: Peter Murphy's looked at it, and a couple other people
Speaker 1: have looked at it. If you want to hear it.
Speaker 1: I actually said it to Jason a little while ago.
Speaker 1: He kind of liked it. Okay, you're ready, deep breath,
Speaker 1: We're in yoga class. All of a sudden, Sir Walter Raleigh, right, Raleigh,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Thank you love. Yeah, there's so many places
Speaker 1: that are named after the British. In fact, the way
Speaker 1: you guys say Lemonster, somebody who is not from New
Speaker 1: England would say Leo Minster. But you guys know how
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be said. So, and obviously the Kennedy's,
Speaker 1: those folks that are from Hyanna'sport, you know, they sort
Speaker 1: of talked a little bit like the British talk over there,
Speaker 1: and of course, of course, uh uh. Joe Kennedy was
Speaker 1: of Corosse ambassador to tow England back at that time.
Speaker 1: So you know they have a lot more British in
Speaker 1: their accent right than your normal New England or Am
Speaker 1: I right?
Speaker 4: And the accent being British or UK? I suppose? I
Speaker 4: don't know. I think it's just a deep, deep New England.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the way they talk after all, Teddy,
Speaker 1: come on, you get I mean, I've been doing accents
Speaker 1: on every show now, So hey, what's up? Side By?
Speaker 1: All right? My ears are open? All right, all right,
Speaker 1: here's my hypothesis. All right, I'm gonna put this out
Speaker 1: there for the homies and were about to get serious
Speaker 1: in here. Okay, I'm gonna take No, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: take my glass off, all right, it'd be like John
Speaker 1: taking his shirt off. Nobody wants that. All right. Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, Jen t what's up? Holmes? All right? Here
Speaker 1: we go. So we're at thirty four Fairview. Obviously John
Speaker 1: goes inside. If only there were police lieutenant who lived
Speaker 1: diagonally cross across the street that would have had a
Speaker 1: ring camera, we would know this.
Speaker 4: But ogally green cameras, by the way, I you.
Speaker 1: Know, if only if only Tom kellerher had that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tom CP improved that. He has three cameras. He
Speaker 4: have one on the front door and one on each
Speaker 4: corner of the home garage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they would He he knows the whole thing
Speaker 1: and what happened, which makes us more disgusting. So they
Speaker 1: go inside and it's at the result of a call
Speaker 1: out at the bar to fight from Brian to John. John,
Speaker 1: knowing that Brian works inside Canton PD, does not want
Speaker 1: to be refer if he doesn't show up at thirty
Speaker 1: four Fairview? Are you come in? Where's a phone? You
Speaker 1: come in? Mister coole text guy? Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: you can have the cab phone screen on your thing anyway.
Speaker 1: So uh, when he does that, John knows he has
Speaker 1: to show up or he will go around cant and
Speaker 1: ped and tell people that John is another word that
Speaker 1: we refer to as we used to refer to a cat.
Speaker 1: And it begins with a P and ends with a
Speaker 1: Y and and they probably what's that?
Speaker 4: I get where you're going going with that?
Speaker 1: And that's what That's what Higgins would have done, right,
Speaker 1: because he's a big math. Hey, we'd whack off. So
Speaker 1: he certainly would have gone around Canton p D and
Speaker 1: said that about John. So John figures I got to
Speaker 1: show my face there as a minimum, right, So he
Speaker 1: shows up there. He he doesn't know though, he actually
Speaker 1: is gonna have to fight. And what Higgins idea is,
Speaker 1: I want to send this guy home with a black eye,
Speaker 1: with a busted nose, and I want to show Karen
Speaker 1: that the real her real protector, the real man is me.
Speaker 1: You know this, You know because in that caveman culture,
Speaker 1: who's going to protect the tribe? Right? You gonna have
Speaker 1: the one that can go out there and protect the gatherers, right,
Speaker 1: one of the hunters. So he wants to show that.
Speaker 1: So John goes in to fight. Once it goes downstairs. Now,
Speaker 1: it's totally legal to fight. If two guys want to
Speaker 1: show up in a basement and fight in someone's house,
Speaker 1: there is nothing illegal about that. If Scott and I
Speaker 1: agree that we want to have a fight, there is
Speaker 1: nothing illegal about us fighting. If Scott punt, if I
Speaker 1: punch Scott, Scott punches me in the face and I
Speaker 1: fall and hit my head on a piece of weight equipment.
Speaker 1: I want you to answer in the chat, is there
Speaker 1: anything illegal about that. There's not it's an accident.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Still, it's still a chargeable offense.
Speaker 1: I hit you, you hit me. I fell and I
Speaker 1: accidentally hit my head. No crime has occurred yet yet,
Speaker 1: right I fell and hit my head. It's an accident.
Speaker 4: We don't read that person. If that person falls and.
Speaker 2: Smashes the back of the head bad enough to kill them,
Speaker 2: then it's manslaughter. Right off.
Speaker 1: Well, hold on a second, hold on, you got we
Speaker 1: gotta go through in steps. If I just fall and
Speaker 1: I hit my I punched you, you punched me back.
Speaker 1: We agreed we're gonna fight. There's witnesses I fall and
Speaker 1: hit my head. Nothing illegal has occurred yet. Now that
Speaker 1: scenario A, we're gonna go to scenario B. Scenario B
Speaker 1: is Brian and John are fighting. They're facing off, maybe
Speaker 1: some punches are thrown. You can see there's defensive wounds
Speaker 1: on his hands and all that neat stuff, and then
Speaker 1: someone smacks him on the back of the head with
Speaker 1: some blunt metal object that causes There's no question he
Speaker 1: was turned around when he hit this. Because if it's
Speaker 1: just an accident and he falls and hits his head, well,
Speaker 1: Brian Albert's gonna call he's gonna call nine to one
Speaker 1: one ago. Hey man, these two mead heeads just had
Speaker 1: a fight. This guy hit his head. You know, we
Speaker 1: need he needs medical attention. And then he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to call the duty desk and he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: tell the duty desk what happens, and that's gonna be
Speaker 1: recorded as soon as he calls the duty sergeant, and
Speaker 1: the duty sergeant is gonna take a report on whatever
Speaker 1: Brian Albert tells him. But as long as when John
Speaker 1: O'Keefe wakes up he tells the same story, then Brian
Speaker 1: Albert is not in trouble. Other than that he hosted
Speaker 1: the fight. He's not in trouble. John's in trouble for
Speaker 1: getting in a fight with Higgins. Now let's turn it around.
Speaker 1: Now John is gonna fight. It's it's John, and it's
Speaker 1: it's John and Brian Brian bang bang and then boot
Speaker 1: and someone hits him with a metal object. Now we
Speaker 1: have felony assault because we have to get from why
Speaker 1: Brian didn't call the ambulance to murder, because you're going
Speaker 1: to allow him to die. Now we have murder. We're
Speaker 1: gonna put this guy out in the cold. That means
Speaker 1: I want him to die. So why do I want
Speaker 1: him to die? It's because.
Speaker 4: They want him to die, so he doesn't talk.
Speaker 1: Thank you, So that means there was a felony. It
Speaker 1: was not an accident. There's a felony assault that occurred
Speaker 1: coupled with the dog bites on the arm. That's also
Speaker 1: not Brian Albert's fault. It happened, has happened at millions
Speaker 1: of people's houses that they've been bitten by a homeowner's dog.
Speaker 1: But somebody had to hit him on the back of
Speaker 1: the head and they know that. As soon as Brian
Speaker 1: calls it in, the duty sergeant is going to take
Speaker 1: a report. It's going to be an official report, and
Speaker 1: he's not going to be able to walk away from
Speaker 1: whatever he says that night. And when O'Keefe wakes up
Speaker 1: at the hospital and cops show up there, he'd better
Speaker 1: tell the exact same story O'Keefe as Brian did. Otherwise
Speaker 1: somebody's being charged with felony assault. Not not insurmountable. Right now,
Speaker 1: you have police unions involved. BPD's going to want to
Speaker 1: know why John's out of work. Now John has to
Speaker 1: go through a concussion protocol obviously, so he could be
Speaker 1: out of work for a period of months. The police
Speaker 1: Union can get involved, the Norfolk DA is going to
Speaker 1: be involved, and there's going to be competing interests and
Speaker 1: Brian or Colin or Brian one of those are all
Speaker 1: going to be in the middle of it, whomever was involved.
Speaker 1: So that's my version of why they let him die
Speaker 1: is because a felony assault occurred. It was not an
Speaker 1: accident that he was hit on the back of the head,
Speaker 1: because they would have just called the ambulance. Like if
Speaker 1: they were at a hunting camp. What if they're at
Speaker 1: a hunting camp and all of a sudden Kief trips
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom and hits his head on one
Speaker 1: of the rocks by the fire, They're not gonna let
Speaker 1: him die. They didn't gonna call nine one one. They
Speaker 1: didn't call nine one one. Is because someone committed a crime.
Speaker 2: I mean, your your theories, DJ are just as good
Speaker 2: as anybody's. And actually you've kind of convinced me because
Speaker 2: that was one of the theories that maybe during the
Speaker 2: melee in the basement, John o'keeeth fell backwards and smacked
Speaker 2: the back.
Speaker 4: Of his head on one of the weak bench things.
Speaker 1: If he did that.
Speaker 2: But if he was actually assaulted and purposely hit in
Speaker 2: the back of his head, then the scenario that you
Speaker 2: just ran out makes more sense.
Speaker 1: We have to get from an officer who maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not friends with, but because he's never been to my
Speaker 1: house in however many years, a brother officer just got hurt,
Speaker 1: and I'm not calling nine one one. I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: nine one one. If it's just an accident, Well I
Speaker 1: got to go from a brother officer got hurt. I'm
Speaker 1: calling nine one one too. I'm gonna let this son
Speaker 1: of bits die. And that's what they did. And and
Speaker 1: people are gonna say it's just drunk. I'm sorry that No,
Speaker 1: it's not just I'm drunk.
Speaker 2: Uh, But Brian, I mean not to not to like
Speaker 2: throw cold water on your whole theory, because your theory
Speaker 2: is as good as anybody else's.
Speaker 4: And actually it makes more.
Speaker 2: Sense that John o'keef was purposely assaulted, like hitting the
Speaker 2: back of a head, as opposed to following and hitting
Speaker 2: his head on something. But if you back it up,
Speaker 2: that's not our job to even know what happened in
Speaker 2: that house. It's it's not it's not as he went
Speaker 2: in the house and he wasn't hit by Karen Reid's.
Speaker 1: Lexis yes, right, But I'm not the defense attorney, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hypothesize about I want to understand why Brian
Speaker 1: Albert didn't call nine one one. I have to figure
Speaker 1: that out. I get it, because if he didn't call
Speaker 1: nine one one, why the hell didn't he He didn't
Speaker 1: do it because somebody committed a crime. And that's that's
Speaker 1: my goal. If I'm Alan Jackson and you stay away
Speaker 1: from that, you don't hypothesize about what happened in the house.
Speaker 1: You just have to say why this was not a
Speaker 1: vehicle accident. I don't know what happened there?
Speaker 4: That was that was That was my point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am definitely have a diverging I definitely have
Speaker 1: a diverging interest than those guys. But before we go anywhere,
Speaker 1: let's say, what's up to Kelly Reid? Can I get it? Hey?
Speaker 2: Man Bright, Kelly?
Speaker 1: I wish I was there, and you know what, I
Speaker 1: was there? What was it two weeks ago? Uh? But
Speaker 1: you know what, Kelly, thank you for there for coming in.
Speaker 1: You've been in the chat for one or two cab
Speaker 1: round tables and just tell Karen that we love her,
Speaker 1: we support her, and uh, we're gonna see this through
Speaker 1: because as my homegirl Beatrice says, we know quick no,
Speaker 1: But DJ.
Speaker 2: Your your point is if if John O'Keefe was assaulted,
Speaker 2: like somebody hit him in the back of the head,
Speaker 2: that would make more sense why they wouldn't call ninety
Speaker 2: one one.
Speaker 4: That would make more sense why they wanted.
Speaker 5: To make sure that he stopped taking breaths as opposed
Speaker 5: as you by accident.
Speaker 1: If we're doing we're doing out. You know, us as analysts,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't again, I don't care what the
Speaker 1: defense team has to do. I love them and I
Speaker 1: pray for the success. But as analysts, we have to
Speaker 1: solve for X. X is the unknown. We're trying to
Speaker 1: solve for X. We have the other parts of the
Speaker 1: equation we need and I'm the worst math student that
Speaker 1: Dean College has ever seen ever. Okay, but we have
Speaker 1: to solve for X. So I have to figure out
Speaker 1: what is the X factor I when they call so,
Speaker 1: either Brian or Colin committed felony assault and Brian thought
Speaker 1: it was going to impede his retirement, or if Colin
Speaker 1: did it, then well, he's not going to be in
Speaker 1: the FEN now, being that you were involved in the
Speaker 1: criminal justice system. If Colin had a felony assault, now
Speaker 1: I think maybe it could have been pled down from
Speaker 1: from a felony to a misdemeanor. There may have been restitution.
Speaker 1: It would all depend on what O'Keefe wanted to do
Speaker 1: and how how how pissed off he was right and
Speaker 1: because it would have been in concert with the DA's
Speaker 1: office and there would have been deals made. Right. But
Speaker 1: let's just say that Colin bought a felony assault on
Speaker 1: his record. Could he become a police officer or fireman?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Every so I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I
Speaker 1: know on every single job application it says have you
Speaker 1: ever been committed committed a felony? If yes, then explain
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have to go through that Jony
Speaker 1: b I love all right, And here's the one right here.
Speaker 1: Can you read this one? Please? Beatrice?
Speaker 3: Sure, I always wondered about the weight bench John hitting
Speaker 3: the back of his head, but if they lowered him there,
Speaker 3: I think it changes everything.
Speaker 1: The thing what I'm trying to surpass Chrryde is if
Speaker 1: he just hits his head on the weight bench during
Speaker 1: a fight that they both agreed to have. Because the
Speaker 1: call out suggests Brian's calling him out to fight, he's
Speaker 1: agreed to come fight. There's nothing illegal about that. Two
Speaker 1: men can fight. It becomes assault when someone stops fighting
Speaker 1: and you keep fighting and someone's pulverizing you, then maybe
Speaker 1: we could start to get into an assault. Him falling
Speaker 1: and accidentally hitting his head. That's not a crime. There's
Speaker 1: nothing criminal there. Anybody can slip and fall during a
Speaker 1: fight and get hurt. It depends on what precipitated that.
Speaker 1: Did you agree to this? Did one guy just decide
Speaker 1: who's going to blast another guy in the face and
Speaker 1: then he fell and hit his head? Was it a
Speaker 1: sucker punch? Were they both throwing punches? One guy fell,
Speaker 1: hits his head. There's no crime there. The crime happens.
Speaker 1: I will to strike someone.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 4: I will say that I know.
Speaker 2: I know of some individuals. I know of one particular.
Speaker 2: It was a bare room disagreement. Hey, let's take this outside. Yep,
Speaker 2: there was a fist fight outside. He got one good
Speaker 2: punch in the guy fell, smashed his head on the
Speaker 2: curb and died instantly.
Speaker 4: He did time for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know you're right. I have heard it, and.
Speaker 4: He wasn't planning on killing anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have heard of those. I've heard those situations
Speaker 1: have absolutely happened.
Speaker 4: But this I didn't do a lot of time.
Speaker 2: But it was manslaughter, you know what I mean, aggravina assault,
Speaker 2: battery causing death.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing is is, though, is that it was
Speaker 1: not a deadly blow. It eventually became that when they
Speaker 1: decided not to seek medical treatment. So, I mean, you
Speaker 1: have three cops there, three cops fighting. You know, first
Speaker 1: of all, they have the sympathies of the criminal justice
Speaker 1: system because they're all law enforcement officers. And one guy
Speaker 1: falls and hits his head. I don't think he's getting
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's being charged with a crime. Because
Speaker 1: if they say to O'Keefe, did you agree to fight
Speaker 1: this guy? Did you go there with the intention? I
Speaker 1: mean obviously we got text messages that ask him, and
Speaker 1: we've got the video. You look like you're over there,
Speaker 1: you know, in a boxing sense, So did you want
Speaker 1: to fight him? And if O'Keefe is honest and says yeah,
Speaker 1: I did, and I went over there knowing. I mean,
Speaker 1: he okay, we're gonna fight. So if you have an
Speaker 1: accident and hit your head, I don't think the criminal
Speaker 1: justice system is going to charge a police officer for
Speaker 1: someone sustaining a cut on their head. The problem came
Speaker 1: is when they decided we're not going to treat the cut,
Speaker 1: We're gonna let the son of bitch lose half of
Speaker 1: his blood. And what they say, he loved three leaders
Speaker 1: of blood inside the home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I think the uh, the head
Speaker 2: injury to the back of his skull or the damage
Speaker 2: was severe enough to be deadly. I think even if
Speaker 2: they had called nine on one right away, I don't
Speaker 2: know if John would have survived. That's how bad it
Speaker 2: sounded like from the medical examiner during the trial.
Speaker 1: Yes, but we're not qualified to say that. I mean,
Speaker 1: nurse Kim I think, has said that he thinks that
Speaker 1: could have been treated.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a medical professional. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. There are people who have been in war
Speaker 1: that have sustained head injuries. I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: that inside of five minutes they couldn't have had an
Speaker 1: ambulance there at thirty four Fairview. I mean, so and
Speaker 1: you you know, first of all, you're gonna treat it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna put pressure on the wound to stop the bleeding.
Speaker 1: There's a number of things that you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm if you were in criminal justice from you're trained.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm trained. I'm trained battlefield buddy. I mean,
Speaker 1: so you know there's things that we can do, you know,
Speaker 1: until qualified people get there. And even still he was
Speaker 1: still alive hours later. He's still alive many now, you know,
Speaker 1: six hours later, So I think they could I think
Speaker 1: they could have said I.
Speaker 4: Don't know how live he was when they finally got
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 1: And eighty degrees by Yeah, I'm with you, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: but if it was within five, ten, fifteen minutes and
Speaker 1: he's got you know, an e MT there, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm making an assumption on that. But the point
Speaker 1: is is they didn't even attempt to get him treated.
Speaker 1: If I were Brian Albert, he would be in my
Speaker 1: car and I'd be driving him to the hospital. If
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're like, we're ten minutes up, being
Speaker 1: I'll come to you man, like, well, you know, Brian
Speaker 1: Albert could have been on the phone, He could have
Speaker 1: been coordinating emergency care from you know, his work, sal
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean any number of things. If
Speaker 1: he wanted to save his life, they obviously didn't wanted to.
Speaker 1: They wanted to end his life and not save his life.
Speaker 5: And why and then if you go down your rabbit hole, right, DJA,
Speaker 5: why why did why did John not.
Speaker 4: Have to survive? What was he gonna say? What was
Speaker 4: he gonna tell him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was gonna he was gonna say that somebody
Speaker 1: I was I was engaged with one person. The only
Speaker 1: way you can get that injury on the back of
Speaker 1: your head is somebody struck you from behind with something.
Speaker 1: Someone took an object and bashed you in the head
Speaker 1: with it for what reason. Now we could get into.
Speaker 1: You know that Brian Albert thinks he's Vic Mackeye from
Speaker 1: the Shield and all this neat stuff, you know, any
Speaker 1: of those things, you know, and and Vic Mackie, if
Speaker 1: you watch the Shield, everything had to cover up everything.
Speaker 1: The strike team can never get in trouble. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he thought he was Vic Mackie. I'm sure you know,
Speaker 1: especially you know, Sean postulates that he used that stingray
Speaker 1: device to to zero in on listen to people's phone
Speaker 1: calls and and you know, this was a technology they
Speaker 1: came up with for for the d O D. Basically
Speaker 1: they used it to track terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: They would they could fly overhead listen to their cell
Speaker 1: phone conversations. You could see all their text messages, uh,
Speaker 1: screenshot them. They probably did the same thing.
Speaker 4: Was it Sean McDonough that that.
Speaker 2: Theorized that Brian Albert had access to one of those?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And Peter Yeah, and Peter Murray as well. Yeah. So, uh,
Speaker 1: I want to say John Como was in the chat.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've already left for hockey. Shout
Speaker 1: out to my man, John Como, My boy. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: it was in the middle of the ramp. I couldn't
Speaker 1: answer you, John, but it was great speaking with you today. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's cool. Man made a good conversation and he
Speaker 1: illuminated a lot of things for me. He knows a lot,
Speaker 1: certainly a lot more than I do, but then again,
Speaker 1: all of you do. So all right, let me get
Speaker 1: Beatrice in here. I've babbled enough and need water, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So I have a question predictions on the SJC.
Speaker 3: What do we think is going to have it?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if the SJC was gonna play
Speaker 2: safe and they don't want to make a groundbreaking new
Speaker 2: case law decision, they could tell Judge Canoni, you got
Speaker 2: to bring the jury back in and at least fix
Speaker 2: this like they were they twelve nothing not guilty on
Speaker 2: charge one and twelve nothing not guilty on charge three.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Or they could go as far.
Speaker 2: As throwing out charge one and three, or they could
Speaker 2: go as far as rewriting Judicial Rule twenty seven ALPHA,
Speaker 2: where it says the judge may pull the jury under
Speaker 2: multiple charges to see if the jury is not merely
Speaker 2: at an impasse on one of them. Have you come
Speaker 2: to a consensus on any of these three charges. You
Speaker 2: could have the writing of twenty seven A rewritten to
Speaker 2: say the judge must.
Speaker 4: Or the judge will not, the judge may.
Speaker 2: So you can look at you could look at Judicial
Speaker 2: Rule twenty seven A. I read the language of that
Speaker 2: statute and I think the language is flawed, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, I don't think it should be
Speaker 2: up to a judge to decide, Well, you know today,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask them if they came to
Speaker 2: a consensus on any of the charges or if she
Speaker 2: felt like it.
Speaker 4: When the jury came back after the two e it's
Speaker 4: the third letter to the.
Speaker 2: Judge saying, your honor, we can't you know, we're at
Speaker 2: an impass. All Judge beb had to do is say,
Speaker 2: what do you mean you're in an impass?
Speaker 4: What about charge one? Murder? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You're at an impass on that?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, we're twelve twelve zero, not guilty on
Speaker 2: that one, all right? Charge two, Oh, we're hung up
Speaker 2: on some of the lowers included in charge two. In
Speaker 2: charge three were good twelve nothing, not guilty. The only
Speaker 2: thing we're hung up on, your honor is count two.
Speaker 2: But Beverly purposely ignored all that and just threw the
Speaker 2: baby out with the bathwater and said, oh, it's a mistrial.
Speaker 1: Is that? Do you think that? Bia? Do you think
Speaker 1: that that that was purposeful, that that she wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure she could just hang the jury on the whole.
Speaker 3: Kitten Kabule, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I don't trust her. So, yeah, the
Speaker 1: unfortunate thing is that what this trial has done to
Speaker 1: us is it's jaded us that we we I mean,
Speaker 1: at least in me, in my I think everything they
Speaker 1: did was purposeful. Maybe some of it isn't. Maybe sometimes
Speaker 1: they were just you know, foolishly just inept in in
Speaker 1: certain ways, not not in the investigators. I think that
Speaker 1: was all purposeful. But maybe maybe Judge bev just wasn't competent,
Speaker 1: because why the hell would you have a verdict slip
Speaker 1: that has only guilty and if you think it's not guilty,
Speaker 1: you don't mark it. Are you kidding me? Like are
Speaker 1: you planning something in the jury's mind, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is that we do it. He had mister yan
Speaker 1: Edie right, and he's like, I don't know, I've never
Speaker 1: seen that. Maybe that's how they do it in your court.
Speaker 2: So what I would like to see come out of
Speaker 2: this is new case law changes to Rule twenty seven ALPHA,
Speaker 2: standardized jury verdict slips that make way more sense. So
Speaker 2: in the Karen Reid case, you had three separate charges.
Speaker 2: The second charge with included lessers that form should be
Speaker 2: very clear and simple. Charge one guilty, not guilty, unable
Speaker 2: to reach a decision, Charge.
Speaker 4: Two guilty, not guilty, and then the.
Speaker 2: Included lessons guilty, not guilty, or the foreman has to
Speaker 2: sign off where hung on charge two? Yes, And then
Speaker 2: you would go down the slit charge three leaving the
Speaker 2: scene after bodily injury of death, guilty, not guilty or unable.
Speaker 4: To reach a decision, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So each each charge, so when that slip came back
Speaker 2: to bev there wouldn't be a question of her deciding
Speaker 2: am I going to employee rule twenty seven A. The
Speaker 2: slip would just tell her okay, they were not guilty
Speaker 2: on charge one. On charge to the jury foreman chucked
Speaker 2: box three, which is unable to come to a decision,
Speaker 2: And when she looked down the slip and saw charge
Speaker 2: three leaving the scene, it would have been not guilty.
Speaker 2: So if you read twenty seven alpha, the judges allowed
Speaker 2: she may enter not guilties on charge one and charge
Speaker 2: three and hang the jury on charge two. So in
Speaker 2: trial to Karen Reid would simply be coming back for
Speaker 2: the manslaughter charger, and they included blessers one in three
Speaker 2: would be off the table. And if the slip was
Speaker 2: done in the manner that I'm talking about, in rule
Speaker 2: twenty seven A was made mandatory that Slip would have
Speaker 2: came back to bed and everything would have been fine.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be at the Supreme Judicial Court and wouldn't
Speaker 2: even have gotten this far.
Speaker 4: So that's what I would hope that would.
Speaker 2: Happen if the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts is going
Speaker 2: to make a groundbreaking new case law is to clean
Speaker 2: up the jury instructions, clean clean up the verdict forms,
Speaker 2: compel the judge to pull a jury on multiple charge
Speaker 2: cases to make sure that the jury didn't come to
Speaker 2: a unanimous decision on one of these other charges.
Speaker 4: Not where can just say, you know what twenty seven
Speaker 4: A today, I ain't feeling it. You know what? Yeah,
Speaker 4: you jurors have done a really you know, a long trial.
Speaker 4: That's a mistrial. But that only benefits the prosecution. So
Speaker 4: now he A.
Speaker 2: Morrissey's office can bring drag carried into trial too with
Speaker 2: all three charges.
Speaker 1: On the table more money. Yep, it's just.
Speaker 4: Dirty, dirty, dirty, That's how I see it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Scott, where you've come up with this,
Speaker 1: this theory to remove ambiguity from the process. How dare
Speaker 1: you try to clear things up and make them concise
Speaker 1: and and transparent, how.
Speaker 4: Dare you well see the see the problem with.
Speaker 1: That's where you laugh. That's you're supposed to be like,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 4: No, the problem with DA. They're in the business of
Speaker 4: making convictions. How does how does d. A. Morrissey get
Speaker 4: elected for DA next time around?
Speaker 2: When he when he's running his campaign, I con fit
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of my case. And if I'm keeping
Speaker 2: the streets of Norfolk County safe and he wants to
Speaker 2: take every advantage he can.
Speaker 4: So if you believe that Beverly Canoni.
Speaker 2: Is dirty and she's she's there to help Morrissey, which
Speaker 2: I believe that's the only reason she was even on
Speaker 2: this trial, the only reason she wouldn't recuse herself.
Speaker 4: Sure, it's because her mission was to save Morrissey's ass.
Speaker 2: Sure, and then if we can't get a conviction, so
Speaker 2: DA stack charges, right, they stack second degree murder, then
Speaker 2: they stack manslaughter, and then they stack all the lessers
Speaker 2: and then they stack.
Speaker 4: So you give the jury the smorgas board of.
Speaker 2: Stuff that they could somehow maybe find her guilty on something.
Speaker 4: And we saw that almost happen.
Speaker 2: Some of these jurors were making up their own theories
Speaker 2: of happened, and they were going to find guilty on
Speaker 2: some of the lessons and charge two, which is stupid
Speaker 2: because jurors aren't supposed to make up their own theories
Speaker 2: first of all. But the DA has all the advantage,
Speaker 2: so they couldn't get a straight not guilty on all three.
Speaker 4: So oh, I want to have my cake and eat
Speaker 4: it too.
Speaker 2: So now Da Morrisey can come back into trial too
Speaker 2: with all the charges still on the table.
Speaker 4: Who ate it and embedded that situation?
Speaker 2: Judge Beverly Canoni, absolutely, yeah, you could have fixed it
Speaker 2: that day when the journey came back that third time
Speaker 2: with this well written letter from the foreman.
Speaker 4: I'll bet of how to do.
Speaker 2: Is say, oh, you know what, I have ruled twenty
Speaker 2: seven A at my disposal. I'm going to ask this foreman, well,
Speaker 2: what do you mean you're hung? Are you hung on
Speaker 2: count one?
Speaker 4: Are you hung on count two? Are you hung on
Speaker 4: count three?
Speaker 2: She's not asking for the details of the jury deliberations,
Speaker 2: because that's what the other side is using even in
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court today. Oh we can't, we can't invade
Speaker 2: the province of the jury. We can't know what their
Speaker 2: deliberations were. No, that's not what we're asking. We want
Speaker 2: to know were you twelve oh not guilty on charge one.
Speaker 2: We're not asking you how do you how the twelve
Speaker 2: of you individuals came to that decision. We're just asking,
Speaker 2: was that your vote? You acquitted this woman of second
Speaker 2: degree murder? This is double jeopardy.
Speaker 4: We can't bring her back to trial on that again.
Speaker 4: We got we gotta straightened the south. It's like, oh no,
Speaker 4: it's just a mistrial. We'll just do it all over again. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's why we were at the Supreme Judicial Court today.
Speaker 1: She wants to be involved in this case and she
Speaker 1: wants to have her hand on the scale of justice.
Speaker 1: Or she would have just told the people to Norfolk
Speaker 1: Superior Court. I'll say it like me, little Noffolk. She
Speaker 1: would have just told them, hey, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and let another judge take this
Speaker 1: so that there's you know, clear clear conscience here. But
Speaker 1: they don't do that. And you mentioned Morrissey earlier in
Speaker 1: his campaign. Who the hell takes campaign contributions from their subordinate?
Speaker 1: Only jackasses like this do that? Like totally illegal? Where
Speaker 1: I work to do something like that.
Speaker 4: I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how. First of all, so these state
Speaker 2: troopers that are assigned to each DA's office, it used
Speaker 2: to be called c pack, now I guess in the
Speaker 2: state police detective unit that's assigned to each individual DA.
Speaker 4: I can't see more of an obvious ethics violation. If
Speaker 4: I'm Trooper Uric bu Kennick or Brian Tully or.
Speaker 2: Michael Procter, and you've risen to the to the height
Speaker 2: of being a state police detective, and now you're assigned
Speaker 2: to your home county, and now you're working for meet
Speaker 2: Paul Morrissey and you get to donate to his campaign,
Speaker 2: how is that not an obvious violation of state ethics
Speaker 2: ethics laws.
Speaker 4: I don't know how they get away with that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. They just don't follow well,
Speaker 1: I can tell you how they don't follow the law.
Speaker 1: That's what we see is they just don't. They say,
Speaker 1: we enforce the law, we prosecute the law. We do
Speaker 1: not follow the law. And what I learned way back
Speaker 1: when I was an administration of justice at Dean in
Speaker 1: the in the eighties and I took administration of justice,
Speaker 1: we enforced the law, and we follow the law. Well
Speaker 1: that's second part. Yeah, that's we don't do that part.
Speaker 1: That's no good.
Speaker 4: I was a state employee.
Speaker 2: They used to make us sit through our yearly training
Speaker 2: and one of them.
Speaker 4: Was the whole state ethics thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't give a you can't give you a
Speaker 2: boss a gift more than ten dollars exactly. Yes, they
Speaker 2: make you sit through this PowerPoint thing and you're going
Speaker 2: to take a test. And then meanwhile all of Da
Speaker 2: Meatball's detective troopers of throwing money in his war chest.
Speaker 1: Crazy. Absolutely, I mean, just I took. The federal government
Speaker 1: has the exact same rule, and I took the exact
Speaker 1: same class. You cannot give your boss a gift of
Speaker 1: more than ten dollars for Christmas, and then for if
Speaker 1: it's a pooled gift. I think there's even a maximum
Speaker 1: in that. I don't remember what that is. But anyway,
Speaker 1: let me let Beatrice both read and answer this one.
Speaker 3: All right, Why why why didn't Weinberg mention the Dury instructions?
Speaker 3: He had an opportunity to bring it up. So what
Speaker 3: I've heard on this is because they were there to
Speaker 3: argue the law. Right to speak about the law, not
Speaker 3: to give, you know, the all the other stuff around it.
Speaker 1: Yep, extraneous. They would have cut you right off. If
Speaker 1: you remember that female judge, judge Bud I think her
Speaker 1: name was, that was a justice Budge I should should
Speaker 1: say uh was questioning Weinberg and she wouldn't even let
Speaker 1: him give up. He's like, no, She's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear an answer. I want to hear a statute.
Speaker 1: Do you have a statue? Do you have a statue?
Speaker 1: Then I guess the answer is no. So what what
Speaker 1: she's saying is they have compartmentalized down to a very
Speaker 1: very narrow focus. Not the fact that Melanie Little has
Speaker 1: thirty years in a law degree and didn't understand Bev's
Speaker 1: instructions and were extremely confusing. And she said something to
Speaker 1: the effect of, where my verbal instructions conflict with the
Speaker 1: written instructions that you've been giving go with my verbal instructions. Well,
Speaker 1: you idiot, the hell they're going to remember that like
Speaker 1: a week from now what you just blathered about for
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. I mean, and.
Speaker 2: And how how does Marty how does Marty Weinberg bring
Speaker 2: that up in front of the s JC today?
Speaker 4: Well, by the way.
Speaker 2: You know, Uh, Judge Beverly Cannoni's jury instructions were convoluted
Speaker 2: and confusing, and.
Speaker 4: She changed them a couple of times.
Speaker 2: You know, the defense came out and asked to rewrite
Speaker 2: the verdict slip, and then Beverly, you know, Judge Canoni
Speaker 2: added all these convoluted, uh jury instructions, like how does
Speaker 2: the even forward that to the s JC or present that?
Speaker 4: So I think that's why he just didn't go there.
Speaker 1: You can't they they will not let you, and it'll
Speaker 1: it'll weaken your argument. Your argument has to be focused
Speaker 1: and compartmentalized down to the very questions that they're asking you,
Speaker 1: and that's it. And then they interrupt you and do
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. And Melanie adjudicated it as about
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty in terms of difficulty. I thought it
Speaker 1: was slightly harder on Marty only because I thought that
Speaker 1: female justice was very, very incisive. She was like a
Speaker 1: scalpel cutting around and making sure that there was just
Speaker 1: that very narrowly focused. She did a great job. Can't
Speaker 1: argue with that. And then they also, you know, took
Speaker 1: some shots at because they tried to say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go and you're gonna make the jury redelivered
Speaker 1: And he said, no, we're not, you know, And they
Speaker 1: they made sure that that person representing the commonwealth, that
Speaker 1: attorney knew that. No, they want to know were you
Speaker 1: did you voto quit or not, because there's a whole
Speaker 1: other argument that Aiden's got that where that jury was
Speaker 1: pushing people around. He was telling them they didn't have that.
Speaker 1: Foreman was telling him they didn't have the right to
Speaker 1: do X and y. And then you have people that
Speaker 1: were pro care and read that were thrown off the
Speaker 1: case three days before or some one of them even
Speaker 1: the day of deliberations. They might have replaced somebody. And
Speaker 1: then you had John Fanning at the trial. What the
Speaker 1: hell was he doing there? So there's a zill Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, Irish home girl moving over from the quad there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if you if you believe the corruption that
Speaker 2: took place not only in this whole thing, but the
Speaker 2: trial itself, and if you believe that the jury Foreman
Speaker 2: was planted and that he was manipulating the situation, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, that's another rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: And then he was following anti Karen Reid groups and
Speaker 1: profiles like within three days after the trial, not that
Speaker 1: that would have happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I go down that rabbit hole, if
Speaker 2: the foreman being planted I did. I don't even think
Speaker 2: he wrote those letters to the judge. It sounds like
Speaker 2: Ladley wrote him to be honest.
Speaker 1: That is awesome, all right. Well, we have a couple
Speaker 1: of things that a couple of things that we want
Speaker 1: to say. One is, as you can see, our Julie
Speaker 1: from Indiana is not here tonight as a chat moderator.
Speaker 1: If you'd like to be a moderator for calling all beings,
Speaker 1: please hit me up calling all Beings the numeral one
Speaker 1: at Gmail, and I'll hook it up and make you
Speaker 1: a chat moderator on here and we would certainly greatly
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Also, I've made a bet, and you know
Speaker 1: Scott and Beatrice are going to hold me to this
Speaker 1: if we find out that, in fact, Hank Brennan actually
Speaker 1: only got seventy five thousand dollars to prosecute this case,
Speaker 1: which I do not believe at all none. If that's
Speaker 1: proven to be true, I will do a shoey, which
Speaker 1: is the austral which is the Australian version of drinking
Speaker 1: a beer out of somebody's shoe. I will take a
Speaker 1: beer out of Turtle Boy's shoe next Halloween party next year,
Speaker 1: because there is no way that dude's only getting seventy
Speaker 1: five grand. I don't believe that memo if my life
Speaker 1: depended on it. No way, no way. That's like minimum
Speaker 1: wage for a dude like famnhnk. So if that's proven
Speaker 1: to be true, though, you guys will see me do
Speaker 1: a shoey from you know, Turtle Boys Converse All Stars
Speaker 1: next time.
Speaker 2: He was saying he had to hire him because he
Speaker 2: couldn't get any of his own ada's in.
Speaker 4: His own office to do trial too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another thing. But I still don't want what
Speaker 1: they said. I don't believe what they're paying them. There's
Speaker 1: no way, in no way that's that is a lie,
Speaker 1: lie lie that they're going to try to hide in
Speaker 1: their budget somewhere, right, Beatrice, Yes.
Speaker 2: But they they paid Mellow more than that to go
Speaker 2: after Turtle Boy.
Speaker 1: No, I know, Mellow made more. Cosgrove made what another
Speaker 1: Howie Carr put that a while ago. Cosgrove made another
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars off of this case or something
Speaker 1: like that. In retirement. So yeah, man and and Mark
Speaker 1: I thought was very generous in his his letters the
Speaker 1: address Cosgrove. I'm not too sure that he's so innocent.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about that about Cosgrove? You
Speaker 1: trust him? Do you think he's not in the know?
Speaker 4: Betterros just being cordial?
Speaker 2: You know what I meant, isn't better, isn't just gonna
Speaker 2: come out and say, yeah, Cosgrove was corrupted?
Speaker 4: Mellow? You know what I mean. He's just taking the
Speaker 4: high road.
Speaker 1: He's being a statesman, right, diplomatic.
Speaker 4: Better Better I was no dummy at all, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like he he's not gonna say anything bombastic or accuse
Speaker 2: a toy like that might be what he's thinking, but
Speaker 2: he's not gonna say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you there, homegirl. I love Melanie Little Show.
Speaker 1: She's just so cool, so funny and so knowledgeable and witty.
Speaker 1: So I enjoy the hell out of it. You will,
Speaker 1: hear me pump up other content creators content on here
Speaker 1: you I can assure you of that. From Nurse Kim
Speaker 1: to Melanie to Mike my Boy, Mike Young, Jerks, Masa
Speaker 1: Uh Turtle, bizle we Man, the Big doggle so and
Speaker 1: obviously Sean. You know Sean's been.
Speaker 2: Hey, keep talking, I'll be right, I'll be right back.
Speaker 4: Keep talking.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we're gonna go ahead, go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: take a biological break. We're gonna close the show here
Speaker 1: in a minute. Let's see if we got any final
Speaker 1: Do you have any final thoughts? Beatriz? You want to
Speaker 1: see if the chat has anything.
Speaker 3: I actually do want to. I have two little reminders
Speaker 3: that I wanted to bring up. I know Scott mentioned
Speaker 3: about the Combined Standout next Wednesday, November thirteenth. It's at
Speaker 3: from two to five at DA Morrissey's office at forty
Speaker 3: five shaw Matt Road in Canton, mass I will be
Speaker 3: there too. I've planned to be there the whole time.
Speaker 3: Karen also has court that morning I also plan to attend.
Speaker 3: And then I just speaking of content creators, I am
Speaker 3: going to be going on Miss Shorty Show this Friday,
Speaker 3: seven pm Eastern Time with Gen Route, so we can
Speaker 3: get out there and talk about Justin Root's story and
Speaker 3: let everybody know what's going on with that. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so if you haven't been to a standout, come join
Speaker 3: us again. November thirteenth, two to five in Canton.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, are you going Wednesday? I just heard you
Speaker 4: say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go. So, yes, I'm going to Denim
Speaker 3: in the morning and then I'm gonna go to the
Speaker 3: DA's office in the afternoon. So I'm going to hang
Speaker 3: around there.
Speaker 4: It's a good long day. We get two events in yes, yes.
Speaker 1: If you guys are such warriors. And what I was
Speaker 1: going to talk about, we're getting ready to close the
Speaker 1: show here. We were going to have Christina on who's
Speaker 1: supporting from Indiana. I don't know what's happened tonight. I
Speaker 1: hope everything's good or I hope she didn't get the
Speaker 1: time the time thing wrong, because you know she's on Central.
Speaker 1: You guys are on Eastern on a mountain. So anyway,
Speaker 1: but it is great that people are supporting. And I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to pap myself on the back. Really Christina
Speaker 1: that she's so invested in this. I'm just to give
Speaker 1: you an idea how invested Christina is in this. She
Speaker 1: is not covering the Delphi case in Indiana because she's
Speaker 1: so invested in Massachusetts corruption and Karen Reid and Sandra
Speaker 1: and and she's done this before and she's very very passionate.
Speaker 1: She's like everybody everyone, we all love law enforcement. She
Speaker 1: but she's very very passionate about holding a corrupt law
Speaker 1: enforcement accountable for what they do. So people stand with you.
Speaker 1: Britt from down there in Florida. She's going to have
Speaker 1: She's going to have Jen Jen, Justin's sister, and Beatriz
Speaker 1: on she's in for Walton Beach. She lives and dies
Speaker 1: with this case man every moment that she's not working
Speaker 1: taking care of Go ahead Justin en route.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's part of my.
Speaker 4: Part of my my hat.
Speaker 1: I love it the way you got. You guys inspire us.
Speaker 1: You guys inspire us to do this and to be
Speaker 1: We see what you're going through. We know that you're
Speaker 1: imperiled to varying degrees. Certainly when you're going out and
Speaker 1: you're you know, and you're standing out there and people
Speaker 1: from the other side can be writing down your license
Speaker 1: plates and messing with your vehicle and doing all these
Speaker 1: kinds of things. So we know that you're courageous. What
Speaker 1: Richie did you know with the ducks and then having
Speaker 1: some you know, shithead come to his place of business
Speaker 1: and arrest him, Like this is serious because Chris Alberts,
Speaker 1: you know, a little baby, and he had a little
Speaker 1: dikerrash over there. You know, he has a little DestinE
Speaker 1: powder on his backside.
Speaker 4: I guess never I've never seen somebody so protected like him.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, he might as well be Hannibal Lecter
Speaker 1: and that thing with the thing over his jaws. So
Speaker 1: we got to say hello to Julie. Julie wasn't Julie
Speaker 1: was at the doctor. She says, she has a doctor's
Speaker 1: note if you would police facts that to me, Jules,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm glad you made it here, love,
Speaker 1: and I hope that you are feeling well. And I
Speaker 1: do want to also tell you, Jules, that your feelings
Speaker 1: about the trial with Richard Allen, we're pretty pretty on target, man,
Speaker 1: because I didn't know anything about this case. Julie is
Speaker 1: a even though she lives in Alabama. Uh, and she's
Speaker 1: also invested in this trial. She came she came here
Speaker 1: with me from UFOs and had this case. You know,
Speaker 1: she was into it inside of like five days. So,
Speaker 1: but she about Richard Allen, she said, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like something's wrong here. I feel like they're railroading this guy.
Speaker 1: And now you could go to lawyer Lee, you can
Speaker 1: go to Melanie Little, you can go to Andrea Burkhart.
Speaker 1: There all over this case. There's another woman who's prolific,
Speaker 1: and they absolutely have railroading this guy, put him in
Speaker 1: solitary confinement and till he was smearing feces on his face.
Speaker 1: All kinds of stuff that they've done to Richard Allen,
Speaker 1: and they really don't have a lot to go on,
Speaker 1: uh than to the fact that he called law enforcement
Speaker 1: trying to help. So anyway, it is man. But but
Speaker 1: even even still, Christina is more invested in in this
Speaker 1: case uh than she is in the case. It's in
Speaker 1: her home state, so like it is, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: she can't We all wake up and wonder how you
Speaker 1: guys are doing there in Massachusetts, And when are you're
Speaker 1: gonna be safe? You know, when are you not gonna
Speaker 1: worry that if you get pulled over? You know, when
Speaker 1: you have one of these shirts on, what would happen?
Speaker 1: You know? We worry about that. I because I I
Speaker 1: when I was driving down four ninety five and headed
Speaker 1: down to Dean College, I was thinking about, man, this
Speaker 1: would be messed up for me, what about these folks
Speaker 1: that live here, you know, and all the people I
Speaker 1: just met last night at the party. You know what
Speaker 1: if they got posted in one of these costumes or
Speaker 1: they're like looking like Judge Bev or have Karen Reid
Speaker 1: stuff on, you know what would one of these police
Speaker 1: officers do? I mean, what would they be able to
Speaker 1: get away with? Would they turn the body camera off?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because we saw what happened with Justin
Speaker 1: Root's case.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but it's like even today, like all the
Speaker 2: State Police Community Action Team guys, we.
Speaker 4: Know, we know all of them, and they know all
Speaker 4: of us, you know what I mean. Like I saw
Speaker 4: Sergeant Hardman this morning and his crew. We all know
Speaker 4: each other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I don't cool with you.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like, you know, they're gonna come after
Speaker 2: me or anything.
Speaker 1: But but but in Canton, if you something happened with
Speaker 1: the ducks, you would fear that, like if you had
Speaker 1: a duck in your car.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying. I'm not saying if I
Speaker 4: didn't put it a Rubbert ducking in front.
Speaker 2: Of Brian Albert shop, that I wasn't I wasn't going
Speaker 2: to be given a summons.
Speaker 4: To court just like everybody else.
Speaker 2: Okay, but as fire as like being in danger from
Speaker 2: the state police that cover our security, I don't feel
Speaker 2: threatened by them at all.
Speaker 1: That's good, That's really good.
Speaker 3: How about you, Bia, I mean, I definitely I'm more
Speaker 3: aware of my surroundings, to be honest with you. And
Speaker 3: since I've been you know, more public and going to standouts,
Speaker 3: you know, I do find myself I don't want to
Speaker 3: say paranoid, but if my dogs start barking, I'm running
Speaker 3: to the window, like I don't know, it's like and again,
Speaker 3: it may just be just how I'm failing, like I
Speaker 3: don't know. But I've definitely been more vocal. You know,
Speaker 3: I was behind the scenes for a while and I've
Speaker 3: been coming out a little more. I've been going to
Speaker 3: standouts for a while now, and you know, try to
Speaker 3: show my support where I can, so, you know, it
Speaker 3: definitely makes you I feel like I'm more aware because
Speaker 3: as I keep thinking, you know, the bad people are
Speaker 3: still in our state.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's I think that's fair. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how I was thinking. I'm glad that that Scott doesn't
Speaker 1: not have that weighing on his mind, and granted he
Speaker 1: was you know, he's former, he's from the criminal justice system.
Speaker 1: He may have a certain comfort. Obviously Peter has been threatened,
Speaker 1: but you know he's not scared. So you meet Peter,
Speaker 1: he's definitely not scared. Sheret He says one of your
Speaker 1: guests last week calling all beings, getting followed by five. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, Sherry. You don't have to share with us
Speaker 1: who that is unless that's something that they have cleared
Speaker 1: to be shared, or if they don't want people to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to share it, or if they've
Speaker 1: authorized you to share it, share it, and if not,
Speaker 1: then don't. All right, that's all we got. We had
Speaker 1: parting shots. We had Beatrice call out that she's going
Speaker 1: to be on Friday with Miss Shorty, her and Jen
Speaker 1: whose last name is now not Root, but she is
Speaker 1: just on sister. She's fire, Beatrice's fire. That should be
Speaker 1: and Shorty Fire should be a damn good show. Scott,
Speaker 1: what do you got coming as anything you want to
Speaker 1: talk about? Any social media anything you want me to
Speaker 1: promote in the show notes? Anything?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'm busy modering.
Speaker 4: I've occasionally I guessed on a few shows, but nothing
Speaker 4: coming up.
Speaker 2: I had you tonight and occasionally I'm on Aussie Insider,
Speaker 2: but I'm busy moding all the time.
Speaker 4: That's what I do, or protesting.
Speaker 1: I love it, man, I love I love that you
Speaker 1: guys are doing that, and it makes me wish sometimes
Speaker 1: I was retired and I could dedicate my life to
Speaker 1: you know, just like working out, protesting and hanging out
Speaker 1: with my friends on YouTube would be awesome.
Speaker 4: Pretty much what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, all right, then we will close it out.
Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody that's here in the chat.
Speaker 1: I see Sheridy, Julie, Glenn Lake. What's up, Homie? He's saying,
Speaker 1: he was thinking, Kelly, who I met today? All of
Speaker 1: you guys. I really appreciate you being here and we
Speaker 1: will see you in Massachusetts soon.
Speaker 4: Jenny, come to.
Speaker 3: The standout on the thirteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let me get the date on that November thirteenth,
Speaker 1: that's Wednesday. Next Wednesday, comes to the standout, have a
Speaker 1: meatball sandwich if.
Speaker 4: I am a jetum for Karen Reid's rule seventeen motion.
Speaker 4: And then it's two to five.
Speaker 2: At Die Morrissey's office, set Road and Canton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are so badass. I love you guys.
Speaker 1: All right on, behalf of Beatrice and Scott. This is
Speaker 1: DJ saying peace out, one love, We'll see you down
Speaker 1: the road. And as always, we're wondering what's up around
Speaker 1: the Bend.