Speaker 1: We've got Jay darn House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I don't think that the modern nation state of
Israel is necessarily identical to what the Old Testament theological
significance of Israel is. The idea that the secular, atheist
nation state is the fulfillment of some promise.
Speaker 2: Is an evangelical mistake.
Speaker 3: So I'm sorry that was a long ass answer to
say that's a dumb evangelical mistake.
Speaker 1: Before Israel was founded, established, Palestine was there and who
lived there.
Speaker 2: So it's actually a Christian place.
Speaker 3: So I believe that Rabbinic Judaism is against Christianity. Yes,
it is a synagogue of Satan in that its philosophy
and its theology are essentially collated against Jesus being the Messiah.
Speaker 1: Supposedly they found that Messiah. They need two red Hippers.
Speaker 3: I started reading the Bible in the nineties, and I've
been hearing since the nineties.
Speaker 2: Like they're going to sacrifice the hippers. I'm not saying it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that there's not people that want to
do it. I'm just I've been hearing it since I
was a kid. I mean they want that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Muslims and Chris I think we have more in common. Dan,
let's say Christians with Jews.
Speaker 3: May I disagree on that, okay, but only because I
would have agreed with you ten years ago.
Speaker 2: And then I started debating Muslims and learning Islam.
Speaker 3: A lot of academic treatments of the history of Islam,
they'll talk about how indebted it is to the tumble Really, yes,
so I believe Islam is actually very heavily tumbledive.
Speaker 1: Hey Kim, what's going on with you today? Yeah, welcome
to episode sixty six. We got Jaydon House.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for making it out. Appreciate it.
Thank you for having me. Man. I honored to be
here with you guys.
Speaker 3: Been watching you guys clips, very funny stuff, very funny stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, you've been a religious man. It did like
a sin a religious mess. Yeah, watching us, Yeah, liking you,
yeah both. It's they didn't want to tell you what
I did on YouTube. Well, back in those days, I
used to curse lots. Yeah, okay, codes, sometimes I slip up,
I just bleep it. But anyway, so me and my
brother we just recently, I would say, over the last month,
we just started writting the King James version of the
Bible and I text you something, Joe. It's a couple
of images and it's about Israel. And I always thought
it was kind of I don't know if sacriligious is
the word for it, for like a government to name
an area that Israel, because that's that's something God named
in the Bible to a family, Jacob's family and his descendants. Uh,
would you say that sacriligious or am my saying this
is all wrong for a government to give a land.
Speaker 3: So like the modern nation state of Israel, right compared
to like what's going on in the Old Testament and
all that. Yeah, I think that it's like the modern
nation state was set up to be essentially an atheistic,
quasi socialist, almost kind of a New World Order project.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It was established under the British Empire and the British
Empire's mandate, but the British Empire wasn't run by the
Rothschiles more or less at that time.
Speaker 2: So this is pretty much.
Speaker 3: A raw Child project in tandem with the rest of
what's called the Atlantis's power block, which is just Western
civilization basically at that time. So I think they wanted
a geostrategic location to be in the Middle East, just
to be kind of a landing base for the West,
and eventually, I think what happened is that it became
very much a power block of its own. You know,
we obviously we had a lot of subversion of our
government through operatives, so you know, a big part of
the Epstein Maxwell stuff was that kind of compromise. So
I don't think that the modern nation state of Israel
is necessarily identical to what the Old Testament, the logical
significance of Israel is.
Speaker 2: I think it's the same loose people group.
Speaker 3: There are still Jews, Like there's some people that think
that there's no more Jews in regard to the Old
Testament Jews, I do think that the same people group
when you read the Church Fathers, you know, they still
continue after you know, we're binding Judaism comes about in
the fourth and fifth century.
Speaker 2: They still speak of Jews as Jews.
Speaker 3: But the idea that the secular atheist nation state is
the fulfillment of some promise is an evangelical mistake. So
I'm sorry that was a long ass answer to say
that's a dumb evangelical.
Speaker 2: Evangelicals, But this.
Speaker 3: It comes out of dispensationalism, and like the Schofield Study Bible,
which was funded by Oxford and promoted in America to
get people on board with I believe the new nation
state of Israel.
Speaker 1: Okay, exactly, so good, bring it up. So I was
reading this in the King James version and it said, well,
I don't want to read all of that. It's towards
the bottom of that that's highlighted. It said, you know
that was fine, Joe, keep right there the land which
the Lord your God giveth thee then YEA shall return
onto the land of your possession and enjoy it which Moses,
the Lord's servant, gave you on this side of Jordan,
toward the sun rising. So it's like giving a location
of Israel. Yeah, the land, right, So bring up the
little map, I think you, Joe. So the sun comes
up in the east, right, So based on that, there's Jordan,
there's Jordan. Now Israel's in the west. So I would
think if what what was mentioned in the King James
version of the Bible, the area that that God promised his
chosen people, looked like he would probably be in Iraq
or Saudi Arabia or am I reading this and seeing
this wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, by the time of when David takes Zion. Right, Eventually,
when you get to the books of the Kings, you'll
notice that David eventually takes Israel or orcuse me, takes Juri,
so Jerusalem. And this is something you might have not
noticed when you're reading Genesis. It mentions the story of Malchisedek. Right,
Malkisedek was a gentile priest in the land of Salem. Right,
this is way back in Abraham's day, right, So this
before they try to conquer the land. And if you
fast forward to the time when David's beginning to conquer
the city, the main city of Jerusalem, right to take
it back. People think that this is some sort of
like land theft. But it was originally a gentile, righteous
people group that worship the true God that the Canaanites
and Amalekites and these other nations came in and took.
So God is telling David and Joshuen these people to
take that land back, right, But was originally a righteous,
gentile nation because Malkizedek was a gentile. Paul will describe
this in Hebrews seven. So I mean that might sound
like I'm getting off topic. But when you get to
later on, no, I think that the cities in where
we think of Israel today, they are the same locations, right,
Like Jerusalem is Jerusalem, and that's the land that by
the time of King David, he takes it makes it
the city of David. But in his Psalms he refers
to this city of Zion as identical to Salem. I
think it's Psalm seventy six, identical to Salem, where Malkisedk
was a priest back in.
Speaker 2: The days of Abraham.
Speaker 3: The only reason I say all that is that Paul
makes an argument out of this to show that in
Hebrew seven he says that the priesthood that Malkisa dec
had is superior to the mosaic ironic, levitical priesthood. So
anything that's mosaic law is inferior to this higher priesthood,
which Hebrew seven says was about Jesus. So Jesus is
the priesthood of Malchis Dek. We're an order of priest
according to the order of Malchisedic Psalm one ten. That's
about the Messiah. And then when the Messiah comes, he's
after they ordered Malkisdic. So it's a superior and a
fulfillment of both of them because Adikian priesthood and they'll
vitical priesthood makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhat a little bit.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just trying to give you the history to
show that, like it is the city of Jerusalem, it
is that area that eventually they take. And you'll notice too,
you're if you're reading Joshua, there's a text in Joshua.
Forget which chapter is, but it specifically says that they
eventually have taken the land. So because modern day people
in the Lacud or not Yahoo's party, they'll try to
say that there's still Amalekites around, So they spiritualize and
say that anyone that disagrees with Israel is Amelek, but
that the Amalekites are gone, Like there's no Amelikites today,
I see what I'm saying. So they use that to
say we're still fighting this battle. Yeah, exactly, but there's
no Amelikites. Malikites are gone. They're just using these texts
to say that we're still fighting the same battle from
you know, Joshua's time.
Speaker 1: So naming it at Israel, that's all a ruse. Do
you think.
Speaker 3: Yes, and though so on one level, there are Jewish
people that I think are genuinely Jewish people, but the
religion is kind of mixed in with rabbinic philosophy, Kabbalism.
Speaker 2: It's kind of all over the place. And I would say,
ultimately and at the.
Speaker 3: End of the day, many Jews just kind of do
whatever the rabbi says, and so it's kind of amorphous
and subjective because they don't believe in like going to
another rabbi to get a higher opinion. It's just sort
of like, if this rabbi right here that I have
tells me to do this, then that's what I do.
Even if he's wrong, you just do it. So I'm serious.
They have a position that you don't.
Speaker 2: Go to check it and like find out like it's relativized.
Speaker 1: Oh really it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would say that's kind of a disqualifier
that it's like identical to the Old Testament Hebrew religion.
We believe as Orthodox Christians that the authentic Hebrew religion
Orthodox Christianity, they worshiped the Trinity in the Old Testament.
They're looking forward to the Messiah. Even in the Old Testament,
Jesus says three John five to nine. When he's debating
with the Pharisees, who are the proto rabbinical rabbinic philosophers, right,
the protos helmutic philosophers. Jesus says, Abraham believed in me.
Abraham rejoiced to see my day. So Abraham had faith
in Jesus the Messiah. That's his argument, right, And they're saying,
how are You're not even fifty years old? How are
you around when Abraham was alive that was thousands of
years ago. And Jesus is saying that, no, I am God,
I'm the one that created Abraham. I'm the one that
gave Israel this name. Right, So Israel's also personified in
the person of Christ. Right, there's a prophecy at the
beginning of Luke.
Speaker 2: It says out of Israel, I called my son.
Speaker 3: Right in Isaiah fifty three to fifty four of those
famous suffering Servant chapters, predicting Jesus, he's called Israel the
suffering servant. So Israel, yes, it's the name of right.
It's after Jacob wrestles with Fangel. But when he says,
I've called you Israel when he's wrestling with him, Jesus
and John One. At the end of John One says
that he was the one wrestling with Jacob, so he's
the latter of God. So he's the one that named
Jacob Israel. So Jacob becomes a symbol for the whole
nation state. But if you fast forward to now after
the coming of the Messiah, Israel isn't a nation state
because in Matthew twenty one, Jesus gives a parable where
he says they were divorced as a collective nation state.
So what we have today does involve Jewish people, but
it's a nation state created for a socialist geopolitical ideology
that was formulated by people like Moses Hess Have you
heard of him No, So he's like a it was
a forefather of socialism and Marxism. He's right around the
time of Marx and he wrote a book about the
in the eighteen sixties and he said that we've got
Rothschilds on our side, and we're going to create this
nation day in Palestine.
Speaker 2: We're gonna call it Israel. Right, So Palestine did exist,
It did exist, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So why republics don't.
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: And prior to that, if you go back to the
Middle Ages, it was a Byzantine Christian place, so it's
actually a Christian place to this day. The Orthodox Church
is the third largest landowner in that nation state of Israel.
So you have even Orthodox some of the Rabbinic Jews
today who take their text seriously. They think Zionism is
wrong and that they're not supposed to be in the
land until their Messiah comes. So even the Jews don't
have really a consistent position on this. Does that make sense, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So that whole intral thing, they have a hitt and
agenda alter motives a lot of people's religious really, but
it's not.
Speaker 3: It was a secular atheistic I mean, some of the
early people involved in Zionism had some belief in God,
but not anything to do with the way that the
Old Testament describes Hebrew religion. And when you get to
the third, fourth, fifth centuries of the history of the Church,
that's when you really get this split between Judaism at
that time, Second Temple Judaism from the days of Christ
up into the second third century in the formulation of
what's called rabbinic or Tumwuodick Judaism.
Speaker 2: So that's when it really crystallizes.
Speaker 3: They collate in the fourth and fifth century the Rabbinic traditions,
and they say, this is now what Judaism is because
they had to figure out a way to have the
religion without the temple, because the temple's destroyed in seventy
a d okay I believe Jesus predicting that in Luke
twenty one, in Matthew twenty four.
Speaker 2: So the temple's gone.
Speaker 3: Jews are in the diaspora again, and so they come
up with a philosophy and ideology that allows them to
kind of make up for not having the temple. So, well,
you go to your synagogue, right, how do you do
good works and sacrifice? Well, you give money. So it's
like you make up for not having a temple and
all that with this new Rabbinic Judaism.
Speaker 2: And that's where we are today.
Speaker 3: That Rabbinic Judaism is not identical to Old Testament Judaism.
Even in the days of Jeremiah. If you read the
prophet Jeremiah, you're going to notice that he talks about
the lying pen of the scribe, and Jesus mirrors that
when he preaches against the Pharisees. In Matthew twenty two,
twenty three, twenty four, and he talks about the scribes
and the Pharisees sitting the sea to Moses or hypocrites.
Speaker 2: All of the.
Speaker 3: Prophecies of the Prophets will come upon this generation in vengeance.
This is the vengeance of the Prophets is coming upon
this generation because they Chris fid Imsia. So you get
the divorce of Israel as a nation state in Matthew
twenty one, I think forty three. So we're living in
the Christian era, but they don't accept that. So they
had to kind of come up with a rabbinic means
of having the religion without the temple in the land.
Speaker 1: A lot of people labeled Israel I don't you know,
people have laid me is anti Semitic. I was like, man,
I love Jews, I love everybody, but a lot of
people label the current state of Israel is the Synagogue
of Satan. Is there any truth to that?
Speaker 3: I think in the New Testament, when Paul is talking
about because I mean, Jesus says that in Revelation Rights,
it's Revelation two and three where Jesus is rebuking the
churches and he says, I will make those who claim
to be Jews that are not Jews about them before
you someone in the Resurrection. And then Paul says in
Thessalonians that the Jews are contrary to all people because
they rejected the Messiah. So I believe that rabbinic Judaism
is against Christianity. Yes, and it's it is a synagogue
of Satan in that it's philosophy and its theology are
essentially corelated against Jesus being the Messiah. Like it's not
a genetic thing, right, Sin isn't genetic? Sin is a
choice that we make and everybody's sense.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Like is it anywhere in the Bible with
God's chosen people of family? Visual do they get immunity
from the tank commandments?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Of course, That's why rabbinic philosophy comes about, is to
come up with excuses in Kazustrie. I mean you've probably
seen like the way that Hasidic communities come up with creative,
shall we say, ways to get around the Sabbath.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, Okay, So like if
you can look it up, but there's not me making
it up. There's a couple examples. Is like, because you
can't do any work on the Sabbath, right.
Speaker 1: Right, you'll be stoned to death. I just read that.
Speaker 3: So the way that they get around that is, you
can't flip a light switch, right, So you move a
switch that doesn't cause the electrical current to actually be
cut off.
Speaker 2: You just remove a switch and then randomly you let
the current be turned off and so you're not working. Okay.
Speaker 3: Another example is you can't you can't walk outside on
the Sabbath, okay in Rabbinic Judaism and his strict Hasidic
Rabbinic Judaism. Well, what if we took a string and
we looped it all around this parking lot to make
it an enclosure, right, and then we're not outside anymore
because it's enclosed.
Speaker 2: And to be I'm serious, these are it sounds like
a joke, but it sounds like the Covid thing outside
Covid mentology mentality. Yeah. Uh So that's what Jesus was rebuking,
and that's what the religion became.
Speaker 3: A means of getting around the actual spirit of the
laws versus the letter of the law.
Speaker 2: And that's what Paul will talk about.
Speaker 3: When you get to Galatians, particularly Galatians three and four,
Paul will make the very point you just made.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back to Palestine. So
before Israel was founded established, Palestine was there and who
lived there? Everyone?
Speaker 2: Everybody christ Christian? Yeah, so right, Muslims, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: They were all there in Palestine together.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: In fact, I just recently read a book by a
bunch of it's a French historian and intelligence analysts doing
a retro analysis of all the British spies that the
British Empire sent out to spy out and to do
reconstants on old Middle East because at the time of
the British Empire, like late late nineteen hundred, eighteen nineties,
nineteen hundred nineteen ten, a lot of the Middle East
hadn't been charted yet, right, So they sent out very
famous spies, even some of them were even women, which
is weird, like Gertrude Bell to Lawrence, Saint John Philby.
Speaker 2: They sent them out to spy because oil had just
been discovered.
Speaker 3: British Empire wanted oil and so they're called black Gold spies,
and so they went and basically just charted the whole land,
all of it. Got an assessment of things that people
didn't even have existed. Like there were churches, old remnants
of churches in Jordan that had been destroyed because it
became Muslim, but they were just the old cathedrals the
people didn't even know existed. So there's even evidence of
communities of Christians in Jordan that people didn't know about
until these spies got there, is what I'm trying to
get at. So it's a very complicated, nuanced history of
the Middle East. I'm not a Middle East historian, but
I've read a lot on it, so I would say, yes,
you have a lot of people living there, you have
a government that's very amenable to all the people groups.
Prior to the founding of the NATIONATEI of Israel, because
what happens is the British Empire decides that in order
to I believe, create a powder keg. I think they
wanted this dialectical tension powder keg set up there for
a purpose for a reason, originally to find oil, but
there wasn't really oil in Israel, but there's oil around.
So they had this nation state established Balfour Declaration that
was all bragged about by the Rothchilds that they got
that through it was all part of the partly their work.
Moses has book confirms that as well, from decades earlier.
So then it became more and more I would argue
anti Christian and anti Muslim because I think they want
I mean, there's what some people say, thirty percent of
people in Israel now want the Temple rebuilt.
Speaker 2: It's called the Temple Institute. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you've got a sizeable portion, a lot of
the re Lacud Party, a lot of the sort of
the far right of what Israel calls far right. They
want to rebuild the Temple. That means they're going to
have to get rid of the mosque, they're going to
have to do a lot of.
Speaker 1: And they got to bring in two Red hippers, perfect right.
Speaker 3: All of that would be involved in the new temple exactly.
So there's a sizeable portion that wants to do that.
And then you know in America you've got people.
Speaker 2: Like John John Hagy the Blood Moons of Israel.
Speaker 3: You know John Haguen is, yeah, like the biggest dispensation list, right,
like Kofi, Right, He's part of this group called Kofi
which tries to collect money from millions of dollars from
Americans like the adult sons and all these people, and
then they send it to try to rebuild the Temple.
Speaker 2: To the Temple Institute.
Speaker 3: So you've got a sizable portion of dispensation US and
American evangelicals who support this idea. And I think to
your point, yes, it probably was a lot safer and
more amenable to Pilgrims and Christians right before the British
Empire put actual Jewish terrorists there, so that you're.
Speaker 2: Gone the Stern gang.
Speaker 3: This is where the modern nation state of Israel's actual
military militia comes from. It comes from these organized crime
gangs that are the They bombed the King David Hotel
to try to get rid of the British colonial oversight.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Yeah, y'all heard that.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I came across on a YouTube. It was supposedly they
found that Messiah. They need two Red Hippers and they
got to like bomb that that moss there and remove it.
And I didn't know how. I was like, this sounds
crazy to me. I mean, I think that they was
going to clone the two Red Eppers or something.
Speaker 2: There's always been this push.
Speaker 3: I mean even I started reading the Bible in the
nineties when I was like a young evangelical guy, and
I've been hearing since the nineties.
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna sacrifice the Happers.
Speaker 3: And they're just gonna be I'm not saying it. I'm
not saying that there's not people that want to do it.
I'm just saying I've been hearing it since I was
a kid, right, And I don't know how legit those
articles were back then, but I mean they want that. Yeah, yeah,
like there's a sizeable group that wants that.
Speaker 2: But to you know, if you're a historic Christian, like
there's no Zionism in the history of Christianity.
Speaker 3: It's a modern atheist political movement. There's nothing really to
do with what's in the Bible. But to your point,
they use the terms of the Bible to kind of
make it seem like to do people to dupe American evangelicals,
and that's John Hagy's job is to get people.
Speaker 2: On board with it.
Speaker 1: I think Fox News is complicit.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I just don't understand. Like I brought
Victor Ostrowski's book with me, which I've been reading.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of him?
Speaker 3: He's like the famous massad guy that first came out
with a book talking about what they're up to. No
One came out in eighties, like the early eighties, mid
mid to early eighty five or so, and.
Speaker 2: They interviewed him on c SPAN.
Speaker 3: I think around the time, like around nineteen ninety, because
he put out a second book called Strategy by Deception,
and he says in the clip, like we just use
it as a trick and everyone knows it to call
people anthey semites. He says, anytime somebody starts telling the truth,
he says this, he's a proud u.
Speaker 2: Like he says, we just use the label to discredit them. Right,
So it's a known trick time, right, I mean yeah,
Like h he wrote by Way of.
Speaker 3: Deception, which talks about a lot of this stuff, and
he was with Massade, former Massade who quit because he
said he just couldn't go along with it anymore as
part of it. And well, warfare by deception, right, but
he wrote this in nineteen ninety, I should say. And
then in his second book he admits that Israel force
Rategia purposes helped fund arm and create Hamas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, multiple times.
Speaker 3: And so I was supposed to debate a guy on
this and he backed out of it. But like, I
mean it's like, yeah, it's on record, right.
Speaker 1: And would you have a debate Ben Shapiro or yeah,
I asked.
Speaker 2: Him to debate multiple times.
Speaker 3: I think he just wants to talk fast and going
to bake taxnologic bad morning talent Taxologic. I mean that's
how it would go down, right, wait a minute, and
he would just like It's like it's like the same
as that chicko was debating on whatever like two nights ago.
Speaker 1: He's a very intelligent man.
Speaker 2: He knows all he is is intelligent. Yeah, he knows
the debate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he would do it though he
tried to debate or can have tried to debate him,
and yeah, he backed out of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he's not going to debate a black woman,
he definitely debating a white man.
Speaker 2: If I identify as a black man.
Speaker 1: Now, it's blown up enough now.
Speaker 3: In his second Strotsky second book, he says that the
reason they did that was because a strategy of destabilization
through an Islamic radical group was more effective than Arafat
and the PLO, because that was a stabilizing force and
they'd rather have something not stable.
Speaker 2: Than something stable in terms of their enemies.
Speaker 1: I've heard stories that Nahu and Israel's behind nine to
eleven to create the animasca between evangelicals here in America
and Muslims.
Speaker 2: There's definitely a key role.
Speaker 3: I think that that far what's called far right party
played against the Lakud and those people.
Speaker 2: Because most of the people that.
Speaker 3: Wrote the PENAC document that talks about American needing a
Pearl Harbor style event prior to the not alive an
event happening, many of them were neo cons many of
them were like big Israeli operative type people. So there's
definitely an Israeli role. I don't know if Israel did it,
Like it's not like one nation state did it. I
think you had to have high level cooperation between moles
and people within the agencies to get that done. But
I do think that it definitely played a very advantageous
role to Israel. But I also think that British intelligence benefited.
I think the CIA benefited, and I think Western intelligence
in general will coop cooperate on these types of things
at a high level.
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than let's say, Christians with Jews, Judaism, Judaism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not trying to be Maybe I disagree on that, okay,
but only because I would have agreed with you ten
years ago, and then I started debating Muslims and learning Islam.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm ignorant when it comes.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think that they're both in the
same level of disagreement. And if you look into a
lot of academic treatments of the history of Islam, they'll
talk about how indebted it is to the tumult. Yes,
so I believe Islam is actually very heavily tumbled In fact,
there's a lot of things in Islam that don't make
sense really other than it's just what God tells you
to do. Like they have a lot of the dietary
restrictions that come out of the Judaic tradition and the
Rabbinical traditions.
Speaker 2: For no reason.
Speaker 3: So when you ask Muslims like, you know, well, why
do you have to do the woodoo washings and why
do you abstain from pork and all this stuff, It's like, well,
because all that says too. And then when you look
into the sections of the Koran that have these dietary restrictions,
it's sort of like copying and pasted out of the
Old Testament, out of Leviticus. But there's no real reason
for it. It is it's a copy paste plagiarism religion.
And then when if you look at Christianity, there's a
reason why at that time God gave those dietary laws.
Speaker 1: He said it was unclean or something like that.
Speaker 2: It had a pedagogical significance.
Speaker 3: Right, So when you get to the New Testament, you
guys are reading the Bible through when you get to
Paul's letters, and Jesus does this too, Like they will
explain the purpose of the dietary laws and the ceremonial
laws as they're called. They were intended to typify the
coming Messiah. So they're types, signs and symbols. Like Jesus
is the Passover, So when the Jews are reading the Passover,
that was a symbolic lesson, teaching them that the coming
MESSI will be the passover land that they feast on.
So it's a type. Do you know what I mean
by time? Like a foreshadowing and then a fulfillment. The
temple is a foreshadowing of fulfillment. Jesus says that the
temple was a symbol of his own body in John two,
tear down this temple and I'll raise in three days.
The temple is also a symbol of the Church, the
body of the believers that are a living temple. Peter says,
so likewise with the ceremonial laws, when you have these
restrictions about not eating an unclean animal versus a quote
clean animal, when you get to the New Testam, when
you read the Book of Acts, Paul will say that
now that the Covenant is fulfilled in Christ's death, all
animals are clean. That pedagogical a teaching lesson is fulfilled.
Speaker 2: It's done. It doesn't matter anymore. The foods don't matter,
he says.
Speaker 3: What matters is the spiritual principle behind the unclean and
clean foods is evil actions versus good actions. Okay, So
it's a symbol that symbolize moral good and evil.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and it's fulfilled.
Speaker 3: And so religions like Islam and Rabbinic Judaism are trying
to keep things that don't have a purpose without that
key figure of the Messiah who fulfills the purpose of
those things.
Speaker 1: Because those things they said, like you said, is plagiarize.
They taking things out of context. It doesn't make sense
in their Bible because that religion is only what about
six hundred years old.
Speaker 3: Well, it's in the six hundreds of Mohammed's you know,
pops up and starts saying that he's getting, you know,
prophetic messages.
Speaker 2: He also thought he was possessed too, by the way,
there's a high deeth where he's switched. You don't know.
Speaker 3: Hadith are like the world traditions, and Muslims believe that
you have to believe Hattiaths like the strong Haadieths. They're
just as necessary as the Quran. So it's not just
the Kuran. A lot of times Muslims so oh, you
just have to believe the Koran. You also have to
believe all the hot deaths, which is vast books of traditions.
And there's one of them says that Muhammad was worried
because he would fall over and he would start foaming
at the mouth, right, and he was like, I feel
like I might be possessed, and all of his like
warlord Arab followers are like.
Speaker 2: No, you're good, dude, you're good. It's a prophecy. It's
a prophecy.
Speaker 1: Who is Muhammad.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of debate about it, but it
just seems like he's a crazy Arab warlord.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I said, I need to clean up what
I said earlier. Christ is and most have more in common.
What I meant by that is that against gay.
Speaker 3: I mean people, Yeah, if you reduce the if you
reduce the religion.
Speaker 2: To just that, I guess.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I see like Muslims here, like in Detroit,
like there's a big Muslim population up there and just
trying to put all those gay books and stuff in
front of kids, and they were there. They were totally
against that. And then I hear like Tel Aviv it's
like one of the biggest gayest populations in the world.
It's comparable to San Francisco. So that's what I meant
by we have more in common, but it's it goes a.
Speaker 2: Lot deeper than that.
Speaker 3: Well, but keep in mind too, like I mean Islam,
you have child brides. You have you know, you should
be in nine, you.
Speaker 1: Know, so it's like, that's not that's not president the Bible.
Speaker 2: No, there's no child brides. I mean they tried.
Speaker 3: Musclims try to point to like Deuteronomy, but there's nothing
about taking children's virginity.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy, right.
Speaker 1: Because they said, I can't across a lot of people's comments.
He said, then y'all worship a guy named Mohammad. He
is a pedophile.
Speaker 3: If you a lot of the top Muslim apologists, they'll
put out videos and say stuff like, oh, well, in
in Genesis, Rebecca was nine when you know she was wedded,
and it's not true.
Speaker 2: That's from a rabbinic, it's from the Talmut. I'm serious.
Speaker 3: So they actually don't know the difference between what's in
the Talman and what's in Genesis, So is.
Speaker 1: There any mention, like I see the team comment, is
there any mention when woman is of legal age to
have sex with a man? Is there anywhere in any
scripture anywhere?
Speaker 3: I think in the history of Christianity and in the
history of Christian nations usually they've set the age in
past times it was a lot lower. It would be
post puberty, right, So conceivably it could be you know, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
and most nations operated that way for a long time,
for a long time. But I don't think there's any
instances that I'm aware of of, like child brides in
Christian history.
Speaker 2: I've never heard.
Speaker 1: That's like a new concept that we eighteen normal society,
you have to be of a certain age.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Part of the reason I think for that is that
the ethos of Islam is one born out of slavery.
It's an Arab warlord slave religion. And I'm not being facetious,
Like the way that you're viewed under Allah is you're
all a slave. So like in Christianity, one of the
key elements is that you're a son of God. And
Paul says in Galatians, for you're not like a slave,
you're a son. So in other words, you have the
full rights of inheritance, which a person that's owned as us,
they wouldn't have the full rights of inheritance.
Speaker 2: But in Islam it's not you that way. Allah is
not a father. Allah has no sons, which.
Speaker 3: Is an easy way, by the way, to prove that
Jesus is not a Muslim, right because Jesus says that
God's father probably five hundred times in the Book of
John alone, right, so I bet Muslims will be like, no,
you know was a Muslim. It's like, well, then why
did he say that Allah or God's Father? And then
they'll say text corrupt, text corrupt, So all five hundred
references are all corrupt. Yeah, it's all corrupt. So they
have a double standard. Right when you point out the contradictions,
they'll immediately say, well, the text is corrupted. And it's like,
but wait a minute, what about the text that you like, Oh,
those are not corrupted.
Speaker 2: So it's it's a double standard.
Speaker 1: So Judaism is they take principles out of the Bible,
but they got goal rounds and then you got the
Muslim faith where they just took things out of context,
plagiarism and things doesn't It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: And I think another key element is like in jua
in Rabbinic Judaism, a lot of people don't know this,
Like the Bible texts they're inferior to the rabbinic commentary,
so they don't really care about what the Biblical texts say.
They're only as relevant as they are explained, interpreted and
misinterpreted in the tumb Witic literature. So, for example, when
some of the texts pop up that are a problem
texts for Rabbinic Jews about the Messiah, oh, there's two Massias.
There's Messiah and Joseph and massiab and David. And then
they'll make fun of Christians because they think because there's
like there's no evidence of the Messiah having two comings,
but you believe in two Massias. Oh yeah, So they
have a silly way to get around a lot of
the textual.
Speaker 1: Problems, like circular reasoning though.
Speaker 2: Right it is, and it's admitting like open contradictions at times.
Speaker 1: Right, So like you've made the comparison that like Muslims
are like they're like a slave, and is that why
that women dress the way they dressed, they all covered
and they're like servants to the men.
Speaker 2: Right, it's a very much.
Speaker 3: I mean in the history I think of, I'm not
a history of slavery, but what I have a friend
that made a documentary on this, and he went pretty
deep into the history of the Christian versus Islamic views
of slavery. The ISLAMI view is very much openly pro slavery.
And it's really only Christianity that originally tried to mitigate
slavery in the Roman Empire and then over time eventually
tries to get rid of it because if everybody's made
damage of God just doesn't really make sense that you
own a person.
Speaker 1: Right in Africa, is there's still Muslims that own African
cert I'm still going on today.
Speaker 2: And I think in Arab places too, like there's still
Arab slaves as well, like they own slaves. What I'm saying, Yeah,
it still goes on. I don't know exactly how wide
spread it is, but as far as I'm aware, it's
allowed in Islam. Mm hmm. Wow.
Speaker 1: I put my foot in my muff earlier.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you're right in the sense of like
the stuff. Yeah, like that one.
Speaker 1: I mean, but it's like in the toaw mood, they
believe in all this Jenda ideology stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, there are elements.
Speaker 3: There's weird stuff in the Talumu. There's also weird stuff
in Kabbala. I don't know if you know about Kabala.
Do you look like big Madonna fans?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: We watched.
Speaker 3: We went back and watched some old Madonna videos from
like two thousand and three, and because we dissect a
lot of symbolism and movies and pop culture, and we
were watching her song for the James Bond movie Die
Another Day, and it's really weird.
Speaker 2: Like in the video, she's.
Speaker 3: Sitting in this chair and she's like strapped down and
she's being put through mind control like prosta.
Speaker 2: That's really weird. Like that's in the video right.
Speaker 3: Well, she starts rapping the uh like Jewish prayer, you know,
wrap around her arm, and she gets up and there's.
Speaker 2: Like Hebrew script, like cabalistic Hebrew script.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so even like in two thousand and three,
she was already like experiment there with cabalistic stuff. But
I don't think she came out as a cobbylist until mid.
Speaker 2: Two thousands late two thousands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she well she was the one in the
two thousands pushing the La Kabbala Center with Demi Moore
got into it, and then Ashton Kutcher got into it,
and probably some other celebrities I don't remember anyway, but
they were intentionally pushing Kabbala, which is Jewish mysticism. Long
story short, Jewish mysticism, particularly which I would assume there's
places in the tulment as well. The cabalistic texts say that, yeah,
like the original creation Adam he had both things going on.
What Yeah, Adam Cadman was both genders trans gender, trans
and hermaphrodite and I hit it all going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Adam was a trance the first.
Speaker 2: Of sex.
Speaker 1: Why doesn't it mention that in the in Christian.
Speaker 3: Because the well, the the Genesis tour and never say that.
But you have these Cabbalistic legends and mystical speculations that
take precedence over what's in the text exactly.
Speaker 2: And these are Jewish people. I believe this right.
Speaker 3: The medieval Kabbalistic texts argue that the highest state is
to be either non binary or have them both, because
I mean, if you don't have a vagina.
Speaker 2: You're lacking. You only know one half of the picture.
Speaker 1: It's funny Ben Shapiro, he does reactions to these dumb,
woke tiktoks, and it's all these trained transgenders and non
gender conforming people and he mocks them.
Speaker 2: It'd be funny to ask him about the talmud, right, Yeah,
you know what he's going to say. We don't have
to believe that an option. It's optional.
Speaker 3: It says optional because in that system it's a dual
ethical system. Also relative, it's relative. And also like if
they're arguing to somebody outside of the systems, most of
the believe this too. By the way, they can be deceptive.
They don't have to give you the true position.
Speaker 1: Like a cop interrogating.
Speaker 3: A good way to put it, what mm hmm, there's yeah,
there's there's situations where you can do that. The Quran
also says there's a text early on in the Crown
where it says something to the effect of smile on
the outside when you're in the minority, and then go
to war when you're in the middle majority exactly. So no,
they're not bound to tell you the truth.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in Christianity, though, you have this assumption that like
if we were to go into a debate, right, like
the like I'm going to tell you my position. Yeah,
you're going to be honest, but there's an in group
preference and an out group like not preference.
Speaker 1: Right. So yeah, so like in a Bible says you
shouldn't be a false witness, a bar of false witness.
Jews and Muslims don't believe in any of that.
Speaker 3: Well they can lie, they'll say, and then they'll they'll
do the Talmudic move yeah, where they'll be like, yeah,
well I don't yeah, but uh, you know, Jesus says,
like your aba and your navy na, right, but yeah,
those are they're just completely different. There are ethical systems
based on a form of tribalism. And even though Islam
claims to be for everybody, just like Judaism, it's actually
very ethnic and very tribal because there's a specific section
in the Quran early on where it's pretty funny too.
I'm not a huge fan of David Would, but he
actually hit me to this. He made a good point
one of his videos about this. He pointed out that
if you look early on in the Kuran all actually
says at one point the Jews have the Torah and
their talmut or whatever, Christians have their Gospels.
Speaker 2: The Quran is that for the Arabs. That's early on
in the Quran, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: When he tried to push this and it wasn't very successful,
then it becomes all right, let's just go to war.
Speaker 2: It's for everybody.
Speaker 3: And they don't have a problem with Allah, like I'll
look and like just change stuff like yeah, because in
their view Allah also is the greatest of deceivers.
Speaker 2: In the Quran.
Speaker 3: If you if you're the best at everything, you gotta
be the best at deceiving, right, because if he wasn't,
he wouldn't be the best.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding, Like that's how that's how it was
on with theology.
Speaker 1: Argues it's all relative to that situation.
Speaker 2: That's that's that crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they always say Israel is one of our
biggest allies. I mean, is it any truth to that?
Speaker 2: Nope?
Speaker 3: I mean I think if if a nation was an ally,
it would not like hold us hostage with like massive
levels of.
Speaker 2: Compromise, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Right, So, like Whitney Webb's book, which is great, it's
the same publisher as my book trying to write she did.
The Volume two was on Epstein and and Maxwell, and
I mentioned like some of this stuff early on in
my first book, with like Hollywood cults and sex colts
and how that ties into like compromising people, getting him
into you know, get him to the party R Kelly's
after party, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, let's get into that.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't I don't think that if
they were an ally they would act that way, and
they wouldn't be so intent on so many operatives and
so many people. They're trying to ensure that there's not
even criticism, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: When I say Epstein was a Massaud agent, Well that's
what I heard.
Speaker 3: Well, the first and second chapter of her book go
into the significant evidence that she was. That he was
working for that entity as well as FBI n CI,
so he was actually probably working for a lot of
people all I once.
Speaker 1: Including the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question real quick about Muslims.
Why do they worship that big tube.
Speaker 3: They have an idea that this is some way, in
some way connected to Abraham. Abraham didn't go to Mecca
you didn't go to Saudi Arabia. It's a weird tradition
that I think is part of their hadiths, and so
their their tradition.
Speaker 2: And what I really think is going on is that it's.
Speaker 3: It's like a it's an ancient so Mecca used to
be like a giant idol place. It's where all the
Arabs would come to worship all the Arab gods when
they were pagans. Right, I believe it's it's a holdover
because they reverence it of the paganism I'm saying, So
they reverence it, which doesn't really make sense with Islam's
iconoclasm that you can't have images, you can't reverence created things.
Speaker 1: That looks like out of transformist.
Speaker 2: What's that cube that's the magic Yeah, it's the cue
mout up.
Speaker 1: The cube is here, Muslim's mount up. So the faith
of Islam and Judaism is like I mean, maybe I'm
jumped to conclusion it's diametrically opposed to Christianity.
Speaker 3: Yes, in my view, again, like having looked at both
of them fairly extensively, they're both antithetical to Christianity because
they're both number one against the idea that Jesus is
the Son of God. That's just fundamentally what Christianity is.
If you read First John, Second John, third John, he
emphasizes that anyone that denies that the Son of God
came in the flesh is Antichrist, and all three of
those two religions are premised on denying that.
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Woodwiki, Hey, what do you think about the Vatican
and a new vote.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a huge critic of from Catholicism and the papacy.
Orthodox Christianity believes that there should be bishops, not Bishop
td Jakes and not bishop, not Bishop Tilda Swinton or whatever.
By the way, I don't think he got the joke
that I was calling him Tilda Swinton just to be silly,
and I kept calling him that and then I don't
think he ever got the jokes.
Speaker 2: But the producers got women.
Speaker 6: Priests and preachers across the board throughout Christianity. I think
even in my denomination, where we do not ordain women,
we are behind the times when it comes to recognizing
the full humanity of the talents and the gifts of women,
uh and what their contributions can can be to ad ministry.
Speaker 1: James not very convinced.
Speaker 3: No, I think Bishop till the Swinton is way off
there because women were never ordained in the history of
the church, to the priest or, to the bishopric. It's
always been forbidden. And again it's just liberation theology that
he's pushing. And then he says he's not personally pushing
liberation theology, but actually.
Speaker 2: It is liberation theology. He's already contradicted himself. That is
what you said. Literally, everything you laid out was liberation.
Speaker 6: Describe as liberation theology was not liberation theology.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I said your definition, your opening statement, your opening statement liberation.
Speaker 2: He literally believer your opening statement.
Speaker 6: And I didn't abscribe to liberation theology. I said your
outline Inclusivitylusivity is not liberation.
Speaker 1: Out of interest, why should they not be women priests?
Speaker 2: Well, it's not what Christ laid down.
Speaker 3: Christ first, Timothy too says women should not teach them
how the priesthood and to only have women being in
a certain role.
Speaker 2: It's not that women can't be involved in the church.
And you notice his fallacy there.
Speaker 7: He said that it means that he said women are
not fully human and uh, if you don't believe in them,
being in the priesthood has nothing to do with their humanity.
It has to do with roles, and women are not
for every role. They're not made to be in men's sports,
for example.
Speaker 3: Right, it's the same logic that this guy has in
terms of his liberations at swan.
Speaker 2: My name is not this guy. You've been dealing with
me in a very disrespectful untill.
Speaker 1: If I go, who's that guy shaking his head with
the the guy to your U.
Speaker 2: The gay Anglican dude?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who is He kept shaking his sad whenever
you talked.
Speaker 2: Just some gay Anglican he wants he wants women to
be in his church, to run and everything.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's a specifically it's explicitly sitting in Bible.
They don't role as a women. They don't care for them.
Speaker 3: I think religion is subservient to political agendas, you know
what I mean. Like it's just a tool of like
that's what liberation theology is social gospel. That just makes
Christianity in the church like a version of soft power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's relative to your situation. Just let me
however you want. Right, doesn't make sense like most of
the people that the priesthood and people that followed the Lord.
It's like most of the stuff they put out to everybody,
it's just it's not even a Bible contradictions. Look at
the Secret Service trumpet. There was a woman leading Secret service.
Look at women secret service agens. Who wants that as
a man.
Speaker 3: Well, the only reason they failed is because men oppressed them.
You see, they would have been successful had the men
not been oppressing them the whole time.
Speaker 1: Serving in church leadership, we're girls and we're priests. Of course,
we're going to talk about the deeply mystical yet profoundly human.
Speaker 2: Power of Christ coming into this world through the body
of a consenting woman, our lily Mother Mary. Of course,
we're going to keep doing our job even though there
are trolls in our comments.
Speaker 1: We're girls and we're priests. Of course we're going to
match our earrings.
Speaker 2: And she's that she she just sent it for the pot. Look. Yeah,
and I'm proud to be serving in an episcopal parish.
We're girls and we're priests.
Speaker 5: We're no stranger to holding a baby while preaching celebrating
the euchars.
Speaker 2: It ain't her baby, because we know they don't have babies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course we're going to remind you that they
are a woman in scripture serving in church leadership.
Speaker 2: There's God for.
Speaker 8: From the Book of Sirac chapter forty three.
Speaker 1: When it comes to marriage. I always thought that was
a between a man and woman, it was a religious sacrament.
When the government passed that law when Obama was in office,
I totally get why you say the government should be
able to do it, But why are they force some
churches to do it.
Speaker 3: Social engineering, social control? I mean you mentioned the papercy earlier.
One reason I'm not a huge fan of the callelic
churches in the nineteen sixties and seventies when they were
really pushing during the time of the Cold War to
make the Catholic Church a version of American soft power.
What they did was they sent in certain CIA operators,
one of whom was named CD Jackson, and he created
this idea of the doctrinal warfare program. This is a
real thing you can look at that it was declassifying
twenty thirteen. The idea was to make just with the
Roman calleg charis as examples, make it into a form
of American neoliberal soft power throughout the world. So they
wanted to put politics first, and so in the documents
about it can too you'll find these statements like, oh,
Muslims and Christians and Jews, we all worship the same God,
and even Hindus worship this No Srotate is the document
that was pushed about the CIA because the Rockefellers wanted
eventually the Catholic Church to adopt birth control abortion and
they thought the best way to do that would be
to push these kinds of agendas through operatives like CD
Jackson get them on board with fighting the Soviets.
Speaker 2: But now you're under the influence of the CIA during
the Cold War. That crazy.
Speaker 3: So I think the papacy even into Francis and with
this new guy, it's still just a tool of the
deep state.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, like I found in falls like our voting rights,
only men with property could vote, and uh, I never date.
I don't think they ever foresaw women being in Congress.
It's probably rolling around in their grave. Yeah, because women
and men. I mean, I'm not saying women aren't intelligent,
it is just we think so different and women are
so emotionally. It comes to things like that's so empathetic. Yeah,
it's the only reason why we have men and women's
sports now have women pushing like unallowing their children up
to the up and to birth is all because of women.
Speaker 3: You can't have a society organized around feelings and equality.
It's not possible because any organization, if it's going to run,
has to have some kind of authority and hierarchy in it.
You can have a tyranny, which is the excess of
that right, But in terms of like Aerosol's philosophy, like
just the golden mean, you got to have a balanced
authority and leadership in place, and some notion of boundaries
and standards and virtue in place for anything to function,
whether it's a family, a business, a government, a school,
a corporation. And I don't think that in terms of
biology and nature. Just go watch the debate that I
did with a Goofus girl for the last two days
and see if you think she's a rational person who
could lead something and organize something and run a business,
it's not going to work. And that's who's pushing feminism
as people like that who have no control of their emotions,
no self control.
Speaker 2: And then when you let those people in affording comparing
the nation state of Israel to the history of feminism
is a false analogy. What was that comparing?
Speaker 3: You asked for a definition that was not connected to history,
and then, by the way, you said that history is
bound up with a definition.
Speaker 2: That's fine Israel if you could define.
Speaker 1: You said, yeah I could. No I didn't so that
you could define Israel.
Speaker 4: No I didn't.
Speaker 1: I said, for you, just stop giving.
Speaker 2: Me all of the history. And I know that there
is a definition of history. And you just admitted that.
Speaker 5: You know, you don't have the brain capacity to define
something without a five minute.
Speaker 2: Monologue about you just admitted.
Speaker 1: He says, define Israel. Are you going to go back
three thousand years?
Speaker 2: Yes, because it's an ancient historical nation.
Speaker 1: So you can't find Israel without giving me a ten minutes.
Speaker 2: I know what a false is. So she's like, define
something without the history. Feminism is a historical movement. I'm
not going to do that.
Speaker 3: And then she then she goes, can you define Israel
without history? And I'm like, no, it's a historical country
or what do you mean?
Speaker 2: It's just crazy? Yeah, how do I get this win?
Speaker 1: I asked for you just destrict You're so desperate.
Speaker 2: She starts making like don like stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like I said, she's like you don't have
self control, Like you're making like don control?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? What's going on?
Speaker 9: So desperate?
Speaker 1: You're like, God, how do I get this?
Speaker 6: Win?
Speaker 1: Should be pretty good at it. That's all that.
Speaker 3: That's like the only person we could find that would
defend feminism in it. So it's actually hard to find somebody.
Speaker 2: Actually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so here's the pushers of feminism, right, I mean,
but to your to the main point, like with that
till the Swinton dude, if just because people have different
roles doesn't mean you're a lesser human.
Speaker 1: Right, that's something the less that's the argument they try
to make.
Speaker 3: That's the left to trying to convince people that just
because you have a different role you're somehow you know,
dehumanized and degraded. But to have a child and to
be a mom, there's nothing degrading about that, right, It
is human. It's not dehumanizing.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do a lot more dehumanizing of themselves. That's
when it comes to the child and the things they push.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, a lot of the feminists also want like
total sexual freedom, which is degrading because.
Speaker 1: They say it's liberating exactly, which is crazy. Being a
whore is liberating.
Speaker 2: If you want it to be.
Speaker 3: That's what they were saying. So we were on there
for seven hours yesterday so or.
Speaker 2: Two days ago on. That's going to be exhausted. It
was hell dude, it was torture right right right.
Speaker 3: It It felt like some kind of ritual hazing, like
I was being adducted into some kind of like a
secret society or like a frat or something.
Speaker 1: Right, Like like the liberals, the left, they want they
won't equality, but inequality is found naturally in everything. Yes,
I mean in the NBA. You got Lebron James, then
you got the guy nobody's ever heard of. You find
inequality everywhere, and they just want to have this utopia
where everybody's equal and it's not possible, just like a
doctor Seus's book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine we just got paux noodles o that.
Speaker 3: It's like a four foot Vietnamese woman, right, she have
a right to be in there with Lebron or with Kobe,
you know what I mean. Imagine her trying to play
like NBA, you know what I mean. Yeah, but it's
it's just it's just insane. I think that what that
evidence is is divorce, like a being divorced from reality,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, and so it creates a double like a dissociation.
Speaker 3: They're like dissociated, yeah, cut off from reality, and that's
why they start going crazy. Yeah, and they'll say, like,
if you read Orwell in nineteen eighty four when he
talked about double think, it was the ability to hold
within like a few sentences, a contradiction at the same
time in your head. So the last two debates I
did with women, I did them on purpose, just for fun.
Both of them said, yeah, you can believe contradictory things
at the same time. And I was like, the last one,
I was like, did you read or Well, Yes, of
course I've read it. And she actually thought it was
a good thing. She thought that like being able to
hold a contradiction in your head was like girl power
and the no, you're missing that's not what it means.
Speaker 2: Like that's not a good thing, it's a bad.
Speaker 1: Thing, right, right, hypocrite Yeah, right, So you wrote the
books Esoteric Hollywood one and two. Let's how dig into
those books? Sure, if you had to pick one scene
that makes you cringe, in Hollywood is in a movie,
what would.
Speaker 3: Be the way that they're remaking old movies like eighties movies,
hit movies from the seventies eighties, and then like putting
all all the trans and the you know, like changing
up the characters.
Speaker 2: And change like deleting scenes.
Speaker 3: We were watching some episodes of It's Always Sonny Philadelphi,
which really funny comedy show, and I didn't realize this, Like,
so we were watching them on Netflix right back in
the time, back when it was on I was watching.
I watched up to maybe season four, and that was
as late as like twenty ten. You could still make
any kind of joke on a network show twenty teen.
Now when you go through the Netflix, like there's like
episodes that are deleted because they contain jokes that are
no longer like trans jokes, race jokes, so you can't
watch the episodes. I had to go find like you know,
illegal illegal Russian you know, like streaming sites where you
can watch that.
Speaker 2: I want to watch the episode. It's not on here.
Speaker 1: They haven't yet.
Speaker 2: That's true, because did you see season one with the
Jewish guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like yah ya, he's like he's like you
other ya he's like, ya, the gollum.
Speaker 2: The gollum. Yeah, yeah, you know the gollum.
Speaker 1: You're looking at him, right.
Speaker 2: So they just haven't got to it yet, though they will. Sorry, yeah,
they'll get to it. Man, that's gonna be horrible. Yeah,
I'm gonna screw it.
Speaker 1: So Allah, in the Muslim text, that's just means God.
Speaker 2: It's just a term for God.
Speaker 3: So like if you go to an Orthodox Christian church
in the Middle East, yeah, like like in Florida we
have Antiochian Orthodox churches which they do the liturgy in Arabic,
and they'll call God Allah. So it's not the same reference.
It's the same word, but a different reference. But I
think you could make a good argument that the Allah
that they worship, well, he steals land.
Speaker 2: He tells you to kill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the best of deceivers, lying, stealing, thief. So
Jesus said something about like the devil was a liar,
a thief, like murderer from the beginning.
Speaker 2: I think that's who I lie. Ish.
Speaker 1: I heard a couple of people say we pray to
the same God. I was like, I don't think.
Speaker 3: So it's called a word concept fallacy, where it's like
just because it's the same word.
Speaker 2: Like easy example, Let's say I'm talking to a Satanist,
like a.
Speaker 3: Hardcore he believes the devil is the true God, right,
and he says, I believe in one God. And I say, well,
I believe in one God. Oh, that's the same God.
That's actually a in logic as a fallacy, and the
fallacy is that it's it's the same word, but two
different references. So what he means by one God is satan.
A scientologist could say, well, I believe there's one God,
but they think it's just like their mind, right, So
it's it's the same word, but different references.
Speaker 2: So no, it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Kind of like what democrats do with gender and stuff.
Speaker 2: Exactly, play word games to play on words. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did Jesus have sex?
Speaker 2: No, we believe he was always a virgin, right, he
never had kids or anything like that. No that Mormons
think you did? The Mormons?
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think they think he got married and
had like a bloodline? Da Vinci code and Mormons share that.
Speaker 2: Not. It's a it's an older.
Speaker 3: Gnostic tradition from the early in the early period of
the Church, there was this heretical group called the Gnostics mysticism, right,
and they believe that Jesus had children offspring. And because
Joseph Smith, I don't mean to get off in the Mormons,
but he was influenced by Gnostic stuff, and so he
came up with this mythology of Jesus heaven children.
Speaker 1: Hey, I want to ask you God, what does God
look like? I mean Jesus Jesus.
Speaker 3: Well, in the Orthodox Church, we think that he looks
like Orthodox icons. Like, we think he actually has like
that look, and so pretty much across most Orthodox iconography,
which is you know what icons are, like the two
D images that Orthodox churches have, you see a pretty
uh unanimous presentation of.
Speaker 2: What Jesus looks like throughout Orthodox icons. So we think
he looks like that. We think our tradition has accurately
captured his look as a Hebrew dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the whole area of the world, like Jordan, Lebanon,
Israel today.
Speaker 2: It's exactly Yeah.
Speaker 3: So those are Orthodox icons are usually pretty synonymous with
the way Jesus presented because we have pretty strict rules
in Orthodox Church about how you can do icons. You
can't just like like Roman Catholics, are like they'll do
like Chinese Jesus, black Jesus. Right, we think that Jesus
has to be presented as Hebrew in terms of the
lineage that he had. So he's not a white dude,
He's not an Asian dude. He's not a black dude.
Speaker 2: Hebrew dude. He's definitely a black dude.
Speaker 1: So it's like Arabic.
Speaker 3: Look, he's Hebrew, yeah, I mean, and you know there's
there's different types of skin colors of Hebrew. But right, Frost,
he has to be that to fulfill the prophecies of
his lineage. So he's got to be a descendant of
Adam and Abraham, descendate of David, right, So he can't
be a black dad, could be an Asian dad.
Speaker 1: I just know by his character, Like in the moment,
like the Mormans. Now, I remember as a little kid,
me and Kim was playing outside and these woman kids
came to our house on bike, said that white shirts
and black guys, if I remember correctly, and they went
to my mama's house. Because whenever you want to talk
about God Jesus, my mom would let you in the house. Right,
She's very religious. So me and my brother's outside playing
and then I heard my mama, couse, get the fuck
out of my house.
Speaker 4: Your mother.
Speaker 1: Christians right, got you damn racist? And Mama said, what happened, Mama?
He said, They said, I'm I'm a descendant of Cain
and that's why my skin is brown.
Speaker 3: I'm so Mormons believe in. Mormons believe in the pre
existence of souls. That you weren't created at your conception.
You existed before, okay, and so the reason that you
have black skin is because you send in your previous life.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh, they believe that black people are the ones that
followed Lucifer in rebellion, and.
Speaker 2: So the curse was to be born as black. That's crazy. Yeah, No,
that's a that's a.
Speaker 3: There's a great documentary that's pretty it's pretty well and
it's called The god Makers. It's on YouTube. It's been
around forever. So if you watch it, it's like a
cartoon presentation of Mormon theology. It's like, he man, Dude,
I grew up watching I gret watching he man.
Speaker 2: It's just like that. The theology. Yes, the theology of
Mormonism is sira and he man. I'm not joking. If
it was like racist, right, Yeah, it sounds kind of believable.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 2: Accidentally convert the hot sweitz of Mormon not even more man.
Speaker 1: I was like, I be looking at my people as
a man, we'd be wild, specially the women. Was like, man,
what is wrong with us?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's not all grow of them because
we like like the video. I mean, but your Instagram.
You have Instagram, Facebook? Yeah, do videos pop up of
black women just being a loud and fighting in public?
Speaker 2: In your feet they do a little bit.
Speaker 1: You do do not like? You don't watch it or
you could get bombarded.
Speaker 3: That's all you get. Yeah, I remember looking up something.
I was trying to find a video of a shall
we say, a retorted person, And now all my feed
is nothing about down syndrome crazy. So anything you put
in like you get infinite.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's it. That's it. It's funny. Do
you guys got to watch We're like us.
Speaker 9: They long ago on one of these God and one
of his goddess wives spiritual.
Speaker 2: They believe God was the man who became God and then.
Speaker 4: That's physical body.
Speaker 9: Look through obedience to Mormon teaching and death and resurrection,
he proved.
Speaker 2: Himself, as he meant, Jesus blonde hair, right.
Speaker 4: Planet, you're a mysterious star called.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they believe in a sci fi deal. Got
the Father's got the Father from the planet Cold.
Speaker 4: Produced billions of spirit children everybody.
Speaker 2: Now that's because yeah, they were Arians. They had the
Arian idea. And there's a Council of the gods.
Speaker 3: By the way, did you notice that they had spirit
babies and she was changing diapers. If you have a
spirit baby, how you changing a diaper?
Speaker 2: Spirit ship? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Wow, brother Jesus, this is like an Arian.
Speaker 2: It is. He blended all kinds of weird. It's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mysticism, it's science fiction too, like uh, you know,
like sciology exactly.
Speaker 2: Before from evil mm hmm.
Speaker 9: Sometimes Lucifer stood and made his bid for becoming savior
of this new world.
Speaker 2: This is where the black people go. They rebel and say,
oh God, Jesus and brothers.
Speaker 9: The Mormon Jesus suggested this mytholo freedom of choice as
on other planets. The vote that followed approved the proposal
of the Mormon Jesus would become savior. Lucifer cunningly convinced
one third of the spirits destined for Earth to fight
with him and revolt. Thus Lucifer became the devil and
his followers the Dean sent for this world.
Speaker 4: They would forever be denied bodies of flesh and bone.
Those who remained neutral in the battle were cursed to
be born with black skin.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, explanation I thought. I thought.
Speaker 1: Again, dude, I don't think of a Mormon.
Speaker 2: I thought I thought you were on the back that
you're just neutral, which is pretty.
Speaker 4: Stiff posts the Book of Mormon described it.
Speaker 2: You're neutral. Prophets just crazy, and.
Speaker 9: One of his goddess wives came to Earth as Adam
and Eve to start the human race. Thousands of years later,
Yellohem and human form once again journey the planet Earth
from star based coloth have physics.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. They came from another planet, but in order
they ain't got no sail phones and you got all
this technology.
Speaker 2: They just floated here.
Speaker 9: One of the Mormon apostles thought that after Jesus Christ
rwede a manhood, he took at least three wives.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm telling about Martha and Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 1: They all find too.
Speaker 4: Supposedly, part of the number of he was crucified this.
Speaker 2: Is an actual full documentary, but this is like the
six minute clips.
Speaker 9: According to the Book of Mormon, after his resurrection, Jesus
came to the Americas to preach to the Indians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, Israel, they think the Indians are the lost
tribes of Israel.
Speaker 9: Jesus of Mormonism established his church and the Americas as
he had in Palestine.
Speaker 1: Palestine.
Speaker 3: So that you know how the Hebrew Israelites, like the
black people, think that the Hebrews, the Native Americans, that
they became Mormon. They'd be like, no, We're the real Hebrews, right.
They think there were Roman soldiers in Americas.
Speaker 2: It just gets it just gets.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: One a d the dark skinned Indian Israelites, known as Leimanites,
had destroyed all of the white Nephites in a number
of great battles. The Knee Fights records were supposedly written
on golden plates and buried by Moroni, the last living Neephite,
in the Hill Camora.
Speaker 4: Fourteen hundred years later, a.
Speaker 9: Young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for
his tall tales, claimed to have uncovered these same gold
plates near his home in Upstate New York. He is
now honored by Mormons as a prophet because he claimed
to have had.
Speaker 2: Visions from this What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Which crazy.
Speaker 4: The Mormon Church all Christians.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is that they won't tell you
any of this stuff until after the Smith and they'll
admit it eventually, right. And I've had a bunch of
Mormons come on the Baby on my channel and they'll
be like, ah, well, okay, yeah we believe that, but
they don't want to tell you that at first. The
guys that come to your mom's door, like, they're not
going to talk about Colab.
Speaker 2: I'm there from Colob.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which millions today believe to be true.
Speaker 9: By maintaining rig came through moral requirements and through performing
sacred temple rituals for themselves and the dead, the latter
day Saints hope to prove their worthiness.
Speaker 1: Day saints become gods.
Speaker 9: The Mormons teach that everyone must stand at the final
judgment before Joseph Smith.
Speaker 3: Well again, God the Father was once a dude who
became a God and then had a bunch of spirit babies.
Speaker 9: Those Mormons who were sealed in the eternal marriage ceremony
expect to become polygamous gods in the celestial kingdom, rule
over other.
Speaker 4: Planets, spawn you and.
Speaker 1: Blondes.
Speaker 4: The Mormons, thank God, it's.
Speaker 9: Done more for us than any other man, including Jesus Christ.
The Mormons believe that he died as a martyr, shed
his blood for us so that we too may become gods.
Speaker 1: Wow, some crazy shit. He just starts selling methylene blue,
which is way better than energy drinks without the jenerous
or the crash or the anxiety. Did it gives you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: They also has some anti cancel properties in it. Yes,
it's damn good methylene blue right now, head over on
fishwawast twins dot com.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Who do you think the Antichrist is going to be?
Speaker 2: In the Orthodox Church?
Speaker 3: We have a lot of saints, elder church fathers who
have opined that he would have to be of some
kind of Jewish descent or lineage or else. The Jews
wouldn't believe him to be there Messiah, So you know,
and John, I think it's John five. Jesus says, I
come in my father's name and you don't accept me,
But if another comes in his own name him you
will accept.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people have thought that that's a
reference to the Antichrist.
Speaker 3: So I would say that if you look at that,
and what Paul says in Thessalonian is that Antichrist will
stand up in the temple and claim to be God
and so forth, there's gotta be another temple.
Speaker 2: There have to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my son sent me a video. I didn't watch it,
and it was just I don't it looked like it
looked like he was definitely Jewish. But he said, does
God think he's the Antichrist? I never watched a video,
and I don't not who it was, but it's a
I wish I had watch it. But they said that
the Antichrist is already here. What's his name?
Speaker 6: I forget his name.
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking about that Madi guy, I think, yeah, yeah,
the words a beanie, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched any it, though I'm taking to it.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: So I was just on Rouslan's channel a few days
ago and we did a whole hour on this dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's some kind of weird sect of Islam. He
was a Shia Iranian Shia Muslim, and then he decided
that he's his own branch, kind of created his own
new religion, called it like the Religion of Peace and
Happiness for some some gay title or something really lame.
But then he says, no, I'm the Mahdi, which is
the sort of like a pre end times prophetic figure
for Muslims. So he's the Mahdi who they believe will
fight Antichrist. Muslims believe that, right. I don't think he's
the Antichrist. But like John, like John says in First John,
I mean anybody who denies that the Son of God
is the Son of God is of the spirit of Antichrist.
Speaker 5: One guy who's been leading a cult for many years
of this, yeah, who calls himself Abdullah Abba al Sadik,
has people asking all over social media if this man
is the Antichrist.
Speaker 11: I am abdullahs of Imam Mehdia Isadam, the successor of
the comforter Ahmed, the successor of Simon Peter, the successor
of Muhammad, the successor of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 12: I am the true and legitimate Pope. I am the
proof upon the Christians. I am the son of the
Muslims through my father and the son of the Christians
and the Jews through my mother. I am the son
of the East through my father, and the son of
the West through my mother. I am like sul Karnain,
who with one horn in the East and one in
the West. And I am the inheritor of all that
lies between. I am more knowledgeable than any false pope.
And I am appointed by name and the will of
the prophets. My name is also on the tongue of Isaiah,
who prophesied of the righteous Servant, and he said he
will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the
will of the Lord will prosper in his Hanish.
Speaker 2: So is he the Antichrist?
Speaker 5: No, No, I'm pretty sure he's not. I think he's
just a kind of an odd syncretic Muslim. Elon Musk
has a greater likelihood of being the anti Christ. And
I'm not saying Elon is the anti Christ.
Speaker 2: I don't. I also don't think that, but.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it would be.
Speaker 5: It would be much more a person like Elon Musk
than like this random eccentric Muslim guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people say Elon Musk is the
anti Christ. Him and Trump, Well, he's got a chip
that he can do. He put it somebody he was
paralyzed and you get actually type with it and everything,
and that was like, that's super crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there will be a final Antichrist.
I don't know who that'll be or when that'll be.
But you know, again, in the Orthodox tradition, like we
believe that Paul's talking about, you know, a future rebuilt
temple whenever that is, and that that would be one
of the signs. And then when some figure arises that
people start to think, really is God, that would be him.
I don't think either Trump or Elon could fit that
bill for likewing up in a temple.
Speaker 2: And you know, just doesn't.
Speaker 13: Hey, what do you think about Trump be the best temple?
Probably the third temple, but it's gonna be the best temple.
What do you guys think, probably come out, come out
and come to the temple.
Speaker 2: He does a good we were doing, we were trading
Trump impressions for y'all got here. Probably the best might
be empty crash, but it's still great.
Speaker 1: Hey, what do you think about Trump's AI image of him?
It's the pope that was funny. Yeah, you think he
could get some sious trumble if he's a rebbi.
Speaker 2: If he did that, oh that's a good question.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Christians were like, oh it's funny. But I
think of a Rebi, I think you just put a
mark on yourself.
Speaker 2: That's yeah. I mean Trump is just such a wild
card dude, like you think, oh, we got impegged? Is
this and then he's like, I don't, I don't know
about this.
Speaker 10: Yah.
Speaker 13: Who He's getting on my nerves.
Speaker 3: It's like he'll flip the script right and criticist with Trump,
But I think that overall, I appreciate most of what
he does. I appreciate the flipping the script, you know.
I have problems with the whole warp speed. I criticize that. Yeah,
I mean there's been some big mistakes. But also, if anything,
he kind of cleared the way, you know, with like
years of talking about fake news from twenty sixteen on
people to allow people to talk about things that you
couldn't talk about back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so at least for that, I appreciate it.
But yeah, I disagree, Like I love what he's doing
in terms of economics, Bitcoin all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I like what he's been saying more recently in regard
to Israel. Nothing y'aho, but definitely there's been a there's
some kind of internal struggle going on.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what's going on.
Speaker 1: Do you would you label that what's going on in
the Godza scrip and the Polystaias. Would you call it
a jitocide or ethnic cleansing.
Speaker 3: Well, I think early on Nattan y'all himself referenced a'milak,
which is what I was getting out earlier, where he
was saying that we have a duty and decided I
think Isaiah or Ezekiel. I forget what text he sided,
but early on he said, we have a duty to
get rid of amlak. And then again, if you look
at what that is, it's basically anyone that criticizes nation.
Speaker 2: State of Israel.
Speaker 3: So that could be me and my brother, anybody, all
of us, right, And I think in rabbinic strict Rabbinic Judaism,
they believe that they have a duty to enforce the
Noahide laws. Eventually most of them think that when the
Messiah comes, the Messiah will enforce the no Hide laws
on the Gentiles, and then the Jews get to basically be,
you know, the pemps of the world.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people joke about it. When I
see Jews talking about this, he's like, Noah, we don't
run everything. That's like, I've made this determination. If if
you can become president of the United States without being
backed by Israel or APAK, then you don't run anything, right,
But to be a president in the United States of
America you have to have that back. Without it, you
can't come president. Most of the time, you can't become
an elected official in this country.
Speaker 2: In terms of the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it seems like the money control the compromise,
you know, these operations of what we've seen with EPSTEE
and all that, like to get to a certain level
of at least government power.
Speaker 2: It seems to be the case.
Speaker 1: Ninety five percent of all elected officials in this country
were backed by Israel. Yeah APEC. Without that money, you
don't get elected. But it's ninety percent of Congress. Yeah,
that's that's nuts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think in terms of like the last
say thirty forty years for government positions, that's got to
be the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a ran paying for five percent of
our politician. That wouldn't make any sense, but it's Israel
it makes sense.
Speaker 3: Well, and you'll notice that you can oftentimes talk about
Chinese compromise of people and governments.
Speaker 1: Right, Russian we're supposed to believe.
Speaker 3: We're supposed to believe that, Like you know, Russia, who's
this failed state, right that's collapsing and they can't do anything,
But they also secretly got Trump in and they run
in everything, and it doesn't make any sense. But yeah,
it's like, first of all, every nation state, I'm not
trying to cover up for espionage, but every nation state
does espionage and tries to interject agents and get these
operations going.
Speaker 2: It's just what happens. Not saying it's good, it's just
what happens.
Speaker 3: But when it's certain nation states in America through influence
in the media and all that, like, it's you can't
talk about it.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: Strotsky says that in his book.
Speaker 3: He said in nineteen ninety that when he published his book,
any publisher that would talk about his.
Speaker 2: Book would get shut down and called anti submitic.
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety, when he himself wrote the book, yeah,
they if anyone reviewed the book, they were called anti submittic.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Yeah, in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: They do have a lot of power and influence of
our government, not people. I mean, it's a lot of
a lot of people been banned to be on internet,
have a bank account just cause criticized Israe.
Speaker 2: So well, what let me ask you guys. I'm curious
because you guys come out of a background of if
you guys are big Trump supporters, right, yeah, I'm not
saying 'or not, But what got you on that topic
specifically being conservative republic like criticizing Israel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but just saying what's going on in Palestine. I
was looking at Alex Jones and he ate Kanye, and
Kanye he was saying some crazy stuff. You know, I
thought it was crazy at the time, but and then
and you know, it was it was. It was trending
in my algorithm, and I kept seeing these people come
up free Palestine, free Palestine, free pastor why these people
keep saying it in the Palestine flag? And I started
doing research and I found a Jewish lady who lived
in Palestine. She said, that's an old video, yeah, nineteen forty.
She said, all our passports said Palestine. So I started
digging deep and deep and deeper, and I had other
people come on and I listened to other people. I
was like, and I see the the drone footage of
Gaza in the West Bank, and I was like, man,
this is nuts. And then I just lately Canda shared
some tweets of a politician who's running for office. I
think he's back by front where he shows a dead
baby and he's mocking the dead Palestinian baby.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I just remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I started just going down the rabbitole because
I was curious. I was like, because I was the
biggest fan of it. I'm still am a fan of
you know, the Jewish people have in their own country.
But the way they're going about it is just I
think it's wrong.
Speaker 3: It's weird, weird to do those like the way they
went about this in terms of living in the Internet era,
it's just odd optics that they thought that the world
would be like, yeah, sure, right, it's weird.
Speaker 1: You've seen that drone footage. Just like every building where
the Palestines live it's like been bombed. I'm like, and
he keeps saying they're using their children and their families
as human shields. I was like, I still to this
day haven't seen not one Moss soldier. I haven't seen
any of these things that they speak of. And I
just started, you know, digging, digging, digging on. It's just
everything that comes out of there is just, And especially
when I even criticize them, the label me as anti Samericans.
I don't hate Jewish people. I don't like what that
government that That is crazy. So they're bombing those areas
called homoses there supposed Yeah, Yeah, it's like a saying, oh,
I thought he had a gun. It's Trump going to
we have church in our country. We don't bomb civilians
and kill. If Trump started bombing gang members, it started
killing innocent civilians, he was be impeached. Why is he
getting away with stuff like this in his own country? Yeah,
and those supposedly are your citizens.
Speaker 3: Well, we're not supposed to have a debate with a
guy who is defending this position and this stuff. And
he was like, you have a moral duty to do
this when Israel's and trouble, And then people were like,
well do we have a moral duty to do that too?
Then everybody in trouble, right, so we should be literally
just bombing everyone anywhere when someone's in trouble. It's like
just weird mental gymnastics to make all this stuff work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean response you have you have the right
to go seek out terrorists in your country. Yeah, but
you just don't bomb people's houses because you think there's
a terrace and there you go in you arrest them
like normal saying societies such warrant. Yeah, get a damn
such war. I have a war for your arrest. We
don't bomb in legal aliens in our country. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: And it was weird too.
Speaker 3: That was happening under the Obama administration too. Remember back
when bomb like twenty twelve ish and Obama's getting a
lot of flat because they were just drone bombing weddings because.
Speaker 2: There might be a We got a bombam got to
take them out.
Speaker 3: My wife, My wife, Michael says, I got a bomb,
take them out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be a terrorist there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we came out and was like when we
started finding all this information, we shard it with our fans.
They blew up, they were pissed the man. Yeah, it's
like you guys are like, oh so anti Semitic. They
would say this hold on, I thought you were a Christian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So every time I hear this, it just
maybe it's the spurg in me. It bugs me because
you like to be a semi to be a sham
the Senate of Shem. Doesn't that also include Arab people's Yes, yes,
it's just so stupid people.
Speaker 1: It's like they hijacked that term to only fit their agenda,
like the word Israel. Right, So I feel like I'm
not crazy anymore. Somebody agrees with me. Yeah, but Republicans don't. Well,
I think a lot of Republicans will start opening eyes
up to it though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of Republicans were also indoctrinated through
a lot of this evangelical deception Church Schofield stuff where
they were tall I was. I was raised Baptist, so
like I was raised thinking all that end times John
Hagen's stuff is what the Bible's talking about. And then
I read Galatians six. Paul says the Church is the
israel God, not the flesh nator set of Israel. And
then you're Regalatians three and four, and he says that
the only way to be a son of Abraham is
to be in Christ that's the only seed. There's no
other seed. There's no being a seed of Abraham that
counts right genetically for salvation.
Speaker 1: All the Jews and Muslims they going to Hell.
Speaker 2: To be a seed, right, the promise.
Speaker 3: Paul's arguing in Galatians three and four that the promises
to Abraham because remember, Abraham's a gentile. A lot of
people forget that, right, he's the first of the Jews,
but he's a gentile convert even in Judaism. And Paul's
arguing that in Genesis twelve, fifteen, seventeen, and twenty two,
all those key chapters when God's you know, interacting in
this covenant relationship with Abraham, that the covenant has always
been in Jesus Christ back then, because the seed that's
promised in those chapters is Jesus. Jesus is the seed.
That's Paul's argument in English is three and four. And
if that's true, we're all Jews, spiritual Jews, are Christians. Yeah,
you are all in Christ and you are the seed
in that chapter in Glaciers three.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So do you think Trump is starting to distance them
himself from it now?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, whether it's political or whether they really
just don't get along or you know, because there's have
been these stories that he kind of stabbed Trump in
the back a few times in the last several years
and he's you know, they won't pick up the phone,
and it's that. So I don't know what's There was
some drama about that, like a year or two ago.
So I think that eventually, Look, when people when a
people group is so belligerent and acts like a cult,
and I think Rabbinic Judaism as a cult, it's kind
of like any other cult.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're like putting string up so you
can walk outside to get around the Sabbath, that's like
a cult is weird.
Speaker 1: So uh, they make up their own rules.
Speaker 3: I think eventually it's gonna sour itself, you know what
I mean. So I think that probably it was a
matter of time before these relationships, these friendly relationships sour,
because I mean they just they do blackmail on everybody.
But once people start figuring that out, it's like right, right, Jews.
Speaker 4: Like trying to kocherize their kitchen and they use a flamethrower.
Speaker 1: So we begin by conturing the floor.
Speaker 14: That was just a joke, But why are we running
a flame throughout a kitchen that is already kosher because
for the holiday of Passover pace we refrained from eating cummets,
any food that is leavened, and for that matter, any
surfaces that came in contact with such foods flames.
Speaker 3: When I was talking about the switch, the light switch,
there's one for a toilet too, because you can't work
on the sabbath, which flushed the toilet. So was the
thing that you push a button and it doesn't actually
flush itself, it just lets the flush happen. Right, So
there's a market that's that, Like the Orthodox Ascidic community
has a products that allow you to not violate the sapath.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's all it's like its own a little market.
That funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's yeah, this is this is the Okay,
this is two, and it's one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and part three is about to come out.
Speaker 1: And and in these books you speak of similis when
it's in a lot of movies that we don't even
catch on to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly. That's kind of what.
Speaker 3: So when I was doing grad work, I was focusing
on how movies use symbolism for propaganda, and particularly during
the Cold War, Western intelligence used figures like James Bond
to project the Western ideas through film and through TV
and symbolism. So like in that first book, I covered
not just Bond, but like how Kubrick was telling us
stuff with like Epstein saw stuff in terms of eyes
wait shut, because remember they're trying to kind of rope
Tom Cruise in that movie into like a sex cult
and they're trying to control him. And I've argued that
like whether or not you think Kubrick was a hero
or not, Like I think he was kind of explaining
the way the world really works in movies like Aswad Shot,
because it's exactly what you see in like, you know,
Epstein style stuff. So there's a lot of these kind
of hidden gems even in old movies that people forgotten,
that I think are worth decoding in terms of symbolism.
Speaker 1: Right, So Hollywood moves the field with a bunch of
propagandas so who runs Hollywood?
Speaker 2: The kataris Chinese?
Speaker 3: Kataris well, you know, you know there was a time
when I think back in early Hollywood there was one
studio that wasn't Jewish control to run it was I
think it was RKO, and then that kind of went
away in the forties or fifties. So I think all
of the studios, the studio system was totally run controlled, absolutely.
In fact, there's a book that Jews wrote about it
called Empire of their Own about Hollywood being Jewish empire.
Speaker 1: So they've run all the Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the studios, so like you can still
have people like independent filmmakers that make popular movies that
get out, but I think for a lot of the
studio system, and that doesn't mean every movie is controlled
or every position is, because there's been a lot of
good movies and even wholesome movies over the years, but
as an entity in Toto the last one hundred years
of the studio system, like ever Brenees in his book Propaganda,
he said, Hollywood is the greatest propaganda engine the world's
ever seen. And when I read that in Burne's book,
I was like, I should write a book on like
movies that's propaganda, you know what I mean. So I
took a lot of my grad work and just kind
of put it into that. But that one and then
that one's organized a little more thema. So this one
is directors like Kubrick and Spielberg and Hitchcock, and that
one is organized more like themes of like what's Hollywoods
connection to organized crime?
Speaker 2: How the movies portray organized crime? And how is it real?
Speaker 3: What about CIA? What about intelligence agencies in their relationship
to Hollywood? And then the third ones coming out, And
that was a lot of movies that I didn't get
to in those two. So like Marvel stuff, because Marvel
has a lot of feminist propaganda, a lot of like
gender propaganda.
Speaker 2: So I dissect all that.
Speaker 1: How about these musicians like Lady Guy Guy and forget
the others name. They're always throwing up symbols and might
if it looks satanic? Yeah, do you think they practice
that on stage?
Speaker 3: I think they think they're doing rituals, right, They think
that they're evoking you know, maybe not everybody, but some
of them actually believe. Like I think Jay Z he
got into Alister Crowley and Satanism by his own admission,
and I think he's fairly serious about it.
Speaker 2: He might be.
Speaker 3: He might even be Beyonce's handler, you know what I mean.
I don't know, but Beyonce said a lot of really
weird stuff about you know, her relationship to jay Z
and their views of like of the occult and witchcraft.
So I think that some of these pop stars and
these and these people the moguls are also into real state,
real satanic stuff for sure. My wife, by the way,
she wrote a book on the pop star side of it.
Like she's got two books at my website too, you
can get her books. I focus on the movies, and
then she wrote on the pop stars. So I think
the pop stars are there as like ways to degrade
the culture and to you know, be an archetype that
young girls look up to. I want to be like
Katie Perry, and that means I got to go be
a whore basically, Like it's it's a way to degrade
the the culture through these archetypal symbols and the music.
Speaker 1: The black community.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's actually a bunch of gay dudes, right
right right, I mean, and then it's it's you know,
similar with like the pop stars or it's like they're
basically just products that are created.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they don't have any talent.
Speaker 1: Tac I saw a video of him before he was
real famous he was, and that's like this guy comes
off like a homosexual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sassy, he got a little sass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he became this big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There was even a somebody did an album I want
to say it was like Biggie or or somebody. They
had an album with him with Tupac on the back
wearing a dress. Because really, people were arguing, Yeah, people
were arguing that.
Speaker 2: They were saying a long time ago, he's not really
what he protected, you know, portraying banging Tupac.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, Well, why you're gonna put a man
in a dress unless you're gonna bang them?
Speaker 2: Well, he put on the album like a disc. I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I say, I said, said small Negro brain. Well,
in one of the Biggie Smalls rap videos, he actually
had a transgender remember that.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he's it up jumping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he actually had a transgender in a man's bathroom
with a bunch of guys and it was Yeah, this
was back in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of the nineties, like that trend stuff, I
think a lot of that stuff is cultural engineering, Like
they plan to roll that stuff out, and they'll have
certain pop figures do it early to roll it out.
So you had like ru Paul, you know, twenty thirty
years ago, and then we were watching this stupid Van
Damn movie that I've never seen, remember, Double Team? Yeah yeah,
Well in Double Team, Dennis Robmin is all right, right,
he's there's a whole He's got a training club. Really
yeah in the movie, isn't that crazy? Well he used
to dress, he would where he would wear a wedding dresses.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he married Madonna he wore a wedding dress.
Speaker 1: So you think they're social engineering Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like way ahead of time, like yeah, rolling, getting
people used to it, prepared for it, right, so they're
not immediately So.
Speaker 2: You have like these cultural Uh I didn't even know that.
You have these figures that kind of.
Speaker 3: Go over the edge early to get it to make
a scene, and then that just allows the window to
be open to move the overtime window over time is
a technique.
Speaker 1: What Trump's doing with his executive was about men in sports,
in women's sports. Do you think that's going to be
a temporary thing, because let's say Democrat, you know, gain
power game, they could just reverse everything he's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 3: But I also think that like a lot of the
public's perception and attitude on a lot of this stuff
is shifting because people are like, they went really far
with that stuff, right, and so I think there's a
reaction against it.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard if they do that.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be difficult to estimate the stupid of a
woman or a Democrat to keep doubling down. It's like
they're still saying the same things that got that caused
him lose this last election, and they're they're sticking with it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they don't move at all with the cultural tie,
which is going to make it more more difficult.
Speaker 1: What do you think about this Diddy trial.
Speaker 3: I've been arguing for that. We've done a bunch of
podcasts on this the last year.
Speaker 1: I think he gets pissed off the wrong jew or something.
Speaker 3: I mean, it looks like he was possibly when he
got investigated by the fees. If you remember this, like
in the early two thousands, he might have gotten brought
in as some kind of informative back then, and so
now maybe he's getting burned. I think I agree with you,
like he made somebody mad, so he's going to be
the patsy. I don't think he was running everything, but
I don't think absolutely. I think just Laine and her
dad were the real like mogul figures. He trained his
daughter to do all that stuff, and then he was
just working for him, having fun, I guess, yeah. And
so I think probably did. He was working for people.
He pissed off the wrong person, but I think he
was still complicit. He was running like a smaller version Epstein.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 1: What about Bill Cosby, That's.
Speaker 3: A tough one because I mean, I've heard people argue
that he might not have been as bad as people say.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to excuse if you did drug women, but.
Speaker 3: I wonder too if, like I mean, they were people
are so the side this pro Bill Cosby argues that
he was helping black culture by being this figure I'm
not by Druggon.
Speaker 1: Doesn't surprise people worship murderers nowadays, Okay, But but.
Speaker 3: Like their their side is because he was going around
and being a positive influence, because he was giving these
lectures on like how young black guys need to be.
Speaker 2: Exactly. That he was targeted by.
Speaker 1: Me too because of that, mm hmm makes sense.
Speaker 2: But then I watched that Cosby episode where he's like
talking about special sauce. You know I'm talking about that.
I'm like, I don't know, I really don't know, but
I wouldn't be surprised. What do y'all think?
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen some interviews, but by some of his accusers,
they said they would come there, he would give them
the pills and they would take it. It was like
he didn't slip it in your drink without you knowing
and saying no, they was taking these pills. You knew
what you involved in before you and they would go
back and he went back. It's like you're complicit in
the crime too. You should get some jail time, Okay. Yeah,
And I think a lot of those women was because
you know, I think he pissed off the wrong person too. Yeah.
Speaker 10: But Spanish fly was the thing that all boys from
age eleven on up to death.
Speaker 8: We will still be searching for Spanish flyer.
Speaker 2: And and what was the old The old.
Speaker 10: Story was if you took it a little drop, it
was on the head of a pin, it doesn't make
it and the girl would drink it and.
Speaker 1: Hello American, that's crazy.
Speaker 10: Spanish fly was the thing that all from age eleven
on to death.
Speaker 8: We will still be searching for Spanish flyer and and
and what was the old The old story was if
you took a little drop, it was on the head.
Speaker 2: Of a pin.
Speaker 1: Doctor.
Speaker 2: I've never seen that glove. That's American.
Speaker 1: That's crazy man. That was on TV. Yeah, drugging women.
Times have changed, he did it no more. Yeah, all right, man,
this has been great. Hey, where can people find you
in your books and stuff?
Speaker 2: Appreciate it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all all the social media is you can find
me just under my name. And the third book is
coming out. You can get pre orders. It's be two
much before it comes out. Okay, so yeah, people can
just go to my website and pre order there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: James analysis dot com. Absolutely, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank jadier dot com.
Speaker 3: Uh, jasonalysis dot com. And then any of the social
media is under my name.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for absolutely thank you.
Speaker 1: It's damn