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True Murder with your host, 32 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:42.640 journalist and author Dan Zupanski, Good Evening. 33 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:47.319 The narrative of details are unprintable primarily on folds over 34 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.879 a seventh month period from October nineteen forty three to 35 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.040 April nineteen forty four, from the moment the body of 36 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:57.280 twenty two year old Patricia Burton Lonegren is discovered in 37 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.359 the bedroom of our New York City Beakman Hill Apart apartment, 38 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.840 to the arrest of her husband of two years, Wayne Lanigan, 39 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.640 for her murder and his subsequent trial and conviction. But 40 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.240 this story goes back in time to the nineteen twenties 41 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.080 when Wayne Lanigan grew up in Toronto, and then forward 42 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.439 to his post prison life following his deportation to Canada. 43 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:21.039 It is the chronicle of Lonegan in denial as a 44 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.800 bisexual or a gay man living in an intolerant and 45 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.879 morally superior heterosexual world, and of Patricia rich and entitled 46 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.840 a secret of attention who loved the night out on 47 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.599 the town, All set against the fast paced of New 48 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:39.039 York's ostentatious cafe society. Part true crime and part of 49 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:41.719 social history of New York City in the nineteen forties. 50 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:45.280 This book transports readers to the New York World's Fair 51 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:49.520 of nineteen thirty nine, when Patricia's father, William Burton, first 52 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:53.759 encountered Lonegan the Stork Club, twenty one Club and El 53 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.800 Morocco to experience with Patricia a night of drinking champagne, 54 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:01.439 cocktails and dancing and I Maggie New York Courtroom, where 55 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:05.439 Lonagan's fate was decided. What truly happened on that tragic 56 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.960 night on October twenty fourth, nineteen forty three. Should we 57 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.800 accept Larnagan's confession at face value as the jury did, 58 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.639 or was he indeed a victim of physical and mental 59 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.120 abuse by the state prosecutors and the police, as he 60 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.280 maintained for the rest of his life. This book considers 61 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.840 these and other key questions. The book that we're featuring 62 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:29.840 this evening is details are Unfrintable Wayne Langan and the 63 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:34.879 sensational Cafe Society Murder with my special guest, historian, journalist 64 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.000 and author Alan Levine. Thank you very much for this 65 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.560 interview and welcome to the program. First off, tell us 66 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:44.479 how you came to want and be the author of 67 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:45.120 this book. 68 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:49.639 I'm an historian. I've written many nonfiction books, generally different 69 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:54.039 kinds of European, some Jewish content, but any man I 70 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.919 had been looking for I was always fascinated by true crime. 71 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.520 I also have written some historical mysteries in the early 72 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.360 nineteenth century, so you know, is this is a genre 73 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:06.199 that appealed to me and it's you know, as you know, 74 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.560 it's very difficult to find a true crime that hasn't 75 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.439 been done before or and also the documentation to tell 76 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:17.040 the story properly in some originality. Any event, I had 77 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.360 been leafing or I guess looking through on a computer 78 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:24.120 screen old copies of Cosmopoultan magazine, and I came across 79 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.759 an article by Raymond Chandler, the great techno novelist from 80 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.600 Cosmopaultan in October nineteen forty eight and when she has 81 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:34.959 his anielists for the magazine ten Greatest Crimes of the Century, 82 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:39.079 and the first one was the Lindberg kidnapping, which was 83 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.519 in the thirties and still famous. But number nine was 84 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.399 this case involving Wayne Langan that I had never heard of. 85 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.160 And the case A drew was interesting. For the first 86 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:51.800 reason it was interesting was that it was involved in 87 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.480 Canadian lannaganet. As you said, I had been born in Toronto, 88 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:58.720 so that sort of was interesting. And I started digging 89 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.560 into the case and realized there had been a well, 90 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.480 actually sort of two books, one written in the fifties 91 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.399 by a TV calumnist, which was you know, basically just 92 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.560 lifted from newspaper articles, and there had been another book 93 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.879 written in early seventies by a Florida crime writer named 94 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.879 Hamilton Darby Perry. And I got a hold of that book, 95 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:22.160 and you know, he had actually interviewed Lanigan before he died. 96 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.639 But there was stuff in the book that just didn't 97 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:27.639 sit well in And then the thing that really got 98 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.199 me into it was that I had access I started 99 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.480 digging into where the district attorney files were on these 100 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.279 kinds of cases. And I discovered that in New York 101 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:40.439 more than which I've since learned more than most states, 102 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:43.720 to be honest, and you can get access to this 103 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.360 stuff at the New York Municipal Archives and lo and behold, 104 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.800 they had this fantastic collection over sixteen hundred pages of 105 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:56.279 the district attorney's files from the case, the trial in 106 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:00.480 forty four, as well as there was a peel in 107 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.199 the or mid sixties. So they had all that document 108 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:04.920 and I was able to get access to it, get 109 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:08.600 it digitized, get it shipped me into my home Winnipeg, Canada, 110 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.240 and I discovered that it was just fantastic. It had 111 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:19.120 witness testimonies, financial information of Patricia lanergen, biographies of people 112 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.240 that I never would have been able to find information for, 113 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:26.639 and private correspondence between the police and the lawyers, and 114 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:31.279 just really laid out the entire case. Lnergan's confession is 115 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.120 alibi initially, I mean, and just every possible aspect of 116 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.040 the case. So I was I thought, this is fantastic, 117 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.399 and I knew that I could tell the story in 118 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.279 a much more detailed way. And as you said, my 119 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.000 aim was to not just tell the story of the murder, 120 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.240 but to also put the murder in some kind of context. 121 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:53.040 And I because I discovered right away that the case 122 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:58.079 also had a morality issue to it about Lanigan's homosexuality, 123 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.319 and in the period under nineteen thirties and forties, this 124 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:07.879 was an issue that was extremely controversial, and it does 125 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:12.199 taint the trial, as I wrote a note, And it 126 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:16.040 also played a sort of a strange part in Laanergan's 127 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.439 story because he himself never admitted to his own sexuality, 128 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.680 and in fact, when in Hamilton Darby Perry's book, it's 129 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:29.240 not mentioned at all or briefly mentioned anyways. But years later, 130 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.600 before Hamilton Darby Perry died, he did make a note 131 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.480 in another edition of his book published by a specialized 132 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.360 publisher that he did believe Wayne was bisexual or homosexual, 133 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.480 but that certainly affected his whole life, and it comes 134 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.399 up in all sorts of strange ways throughout Wayne's life, 135 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.480 but certainly during the story of the case itself, where 136 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.079 it's an excuse in fact, that it plays a part 137 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.399 in his initial alibi when he's questioned by the District 138 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.399 Attorney's office and the police. So that's how that's really 139 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.519 how how I came to it, and I found it 140 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:03.040 to be a fascinating story. 141 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.360 Let's get to this, yes, truly fascinating story. You take 142 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:10.079 us to New York City initially October twenty fourth, nineteen 143 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:14.439 forty three. Patricia Burton Launergren, they call her, friends call 144 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.519 her Patsy. She's called a classy dame and is a 145 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:22.199 daughter of a wealthy, assimilated German Jewish family. Rich and spoiled. Yes, 146 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.040 tell us about this last evening of her life. You say, 147 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.560 by six point thirty at am, she'd been out for 148 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.319 close to sixteen hours on a date. Tell us about 149 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:34.679 New York cafe society as you write about, and tell 150 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.440 us about Patricia Burton Launergren. 151 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:39.720 Well, you know, first of all, she's only twenty two, 152 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.879 even though in the photographs I always it's probably the 153 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.039 hairstyle and just the way people held themselves in those days. 154 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.320 But they're both young. I mean, you know, Lanergan's only 155 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:53.000 twenty five, she's twenty two. They were only married for 156 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:57.279 a short time before they had problems. They've got married 157 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:00.639 in forty one at a child in July one, forty two, 158 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.000 and then were separated by this summer in nineteen forty three, 159 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.759 so a couple months before the murder took place. Patricia 160 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.720 is you know, she was brought up in a very 161 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:17.679 wealthy environment. Her family, as you said, had German American 162 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.919 German Jewish roots. Rather her grandfather, great grandfather, I guess 163 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:25.440 it would have been, came from Germany as an immigrant, 164 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:30.639 started a beer business and became fairly wealthy, and his 165 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:34.080 son that would have been her grandfather, built upon the business, 166 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:38.639 and so they lived a very high lifestyle. Her father, William, 167 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:43.679 the family's name was actually Bernheimer, and later when Patricia's 168 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:47.919 father was older, in his twenty or when he turned 169 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.039 twenty one, I guess him and his brother changed the 170 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.240 name to Burton. It was like this was during the 171 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.840 First World War, partially, he says, because he was being 172 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:01.159 discriminated against because of a German sounding name, but really 173 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.480 probably also because he was Jewish, and despite attempts to 174 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:08.559 lead a rather assimilated life, he was probably just trying 175 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.240 to fit in and too man and what he wasn't 176 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.879 certainly the only New York jew with German roots, Sewer. 177 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.000 We lived a fairly secular life to do this. I 178 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.600 mean they belonged to a reform synagogue, and so that 179 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.000 was part of their story. William Burton is an interesting 180 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.000 character because he probably too was bisexual, which plays into 181 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:32.720 a little bit of the story later on. But he 182 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.919 marries because in those days, you know, homosexuality or bisexuality 183 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.759 was not talked about and you were expected to get married. 184 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.879 And he ends up marrying this woman, Lucille, who comes 185 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.440 from also an old moneyed family, although they had lost 186 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.120 some of their money. They came from the Deep South 187 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.120 and lost some of their money during the Civil War. 188 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.519 Louise Wilfer name was, and they end up getting married. 189 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.320 They two also have a lousy marriage, partially I think 190 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:01.039 because of the sexual issues, and she was, you know, 191 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:03.759 she expected a lot out of life. But they lived, 192 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:07.039 you know, Patricia was born in nineteen twenty one. They 193 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.919 lived this rather idyllic lifestyle. They lived part of the 194 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.720 year in New York and fancy Park Avenue apartment. He 195 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.840 was brought up by nannies like as it was common 196 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.919 among wealthy people in those days. They had a house. 197 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.759 They spent half the year in France, in Paris, where 198 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.240 William fancied himself an artist, although he wasn't really any good. 199 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.120 And then they had this villa in near Conns in 200 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:32.559 the south of France. And you know, so that was 201 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.840 she was brought up. I guess she went to boarding 202 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.120 school or finishing school at some point in her life. 203 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:42.200 And she didn't never really worked much in her life. 204 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:45.639 Even during when she was older, she was like a debutante, 205 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:50.480 I suppose you could call her. She attended teas and socials, societies, 206 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.639 met with other wealthy young women. During when World War 207 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.919 two started, she did do a bit of fundraising. This 208 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:01.279 is even before the United States got involved in the war, 209 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:04.639 and after Pearl Harbor in December nineteen forty one, and 210 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:08.919 she you know, never was had any money problems and 211 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:12.919 lived a very wealthy lifestyle. The death of her father, 212 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.200 William in nineteen forty from a heart attack, which ran 213 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.000 in their family. All the men died pretty young, including 214 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:25.279 her grandfather, uncle now and her father, sort of affected 215 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:30.360 her deeply obviously, and also set in motion her relationship 216 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:34.240 with Wayne Long again because it was the father her father, William, 217 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:37.279 was the one who had introduced her to Wayne. Whether 218 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.399 or not she knew about her father's other life, I 219 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:44.679 don't know, you know, the as I said, homosexuality in 220 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:47.480 the nineteen thirties and forties was like the one of 221 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:51.120 the worst things you could possibly be accused of. People 222 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:53.440 hit it. It was against the law. Both in Canada, 223 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:56.720 United States and France. It was more legal. You could 224 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.159 do what you want, which maybe have been the attraction 225 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.679 for living in fan but you know, you could be 226 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:08.799 arrested bartender serving a drink to two men, dancing on 227 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.200 the floor, or doing anything could have been their place 228 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.039 could have been shut down. In New York, it was 229 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.360 regarded as a sickness perversion, a psychopath. You know, people 230 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.720 were a psychopath. It was regarded as a learned behavior 231 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:29.360 just just completely you know, not what most people would 232 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:33.440 think of today, but plays a huge part in understanding 233 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.759 of what went on. I was just actually watching I 234 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.200 don't know if you've seen the new Perry Mason series, 235 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.639 but there was two of the characters are gay, living 236 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.639 in the nineteen thirties in Los Angeles, and I thought 237 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.799 to myself as I watched it, you know, they had 238 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:50.679 to hide their other life, and this man and women 239 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:52.679 who are both gay, had to pretend to be a 240 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:55.480 couple on the night on the town. And it's exactly 241 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.399 the way it was in the book as well. And 242 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.279 even in a cosmopolitan place like New York, it was 243 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.639 dangerous to come out. So William, you know, William Burton, 244 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.879 probably had to be very careful, and thus he was married, 245 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.480 although he gets divorced from his wife maybe about five 246 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.879 six years after they got married, and then strangely enough, 247 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.159 four years later they remarry. They said they later did 248 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.960 it to help Patsy because they loved her so much. 249 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:27.000 But even after they got remarried, they lived fairly separate lives, 250 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:32.320 and they just before World War two they came, although 251 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:36.559 Lucille's lived in Europe a little longer. William brought Patsy 252 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.879 back to New York, supposedly with all of his very 253 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.360 expensive artwork. But I have since learned since the book 254 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:45.720 was published, and I can talk about this later, but 255 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.679 I since learned that in fact he had left his 256 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:53.559 villa to the French resistance, but apparently the Nazis had 257 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:57.799 taken a lot of his artwork, and a film crew 258 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.960 in Paris of France that intered viewed me about the 259 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.360 case discovered that in fact, the Nazis had taken it 260 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.879 and they were trying to track down some of the artwork. 261 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:10.679 But gets into the story about what happened to their son, 262 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.080 who's now eighty years old, and I can talk about 263 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.840 it near after because it's quite fascinating. I learned something 264 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.919 just recently thanks to the interview these peoples did with 265 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:21.759 me from this French TV station. 266 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.720 Let's get back to Wayne Lanigan and this marriage that 267 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.679 eventually happens between the two, but the relationship and what 268 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:32.120 it was characterized by. 269 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.159 Well Wayne, you know, Okay, So Wayne is born in 270 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:37.159 nineteen eighteen in Toronto. He grows he grows up in 271 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:40.519 a fairly middle class environment, although I think the most 272 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.039 important thing in his life and his mother was ill. 273 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.879 She had what we would call it a bipolar and 274 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:48.919 she dies fairly young. His father also dies young. He 275 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.039 had two siblings. But Wayne spent a lot of his 276 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:56.360 childhood in trouble with the law. He spent a couple 277 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.320 times literally had stints at reformatories and again, you know, 278 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.159 being you know, he was said late he had run 279 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:05.600 ins with the police, and you know, he told them 280 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.279 he was making money and dealing by being intimate with 281 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:13.120 gay men. And again sort of the beginning of this process. 282 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.080 He has all sorts of other jobs, trying to make 283 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.159 something of himself. I mean, I think he really wants 284 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.919 the good life. He's a bit of a liar, and 285 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.440 I think he continues that for all the rest of 286 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.639 his life, to be honest, he eventually decides in nineteenth 287 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.960 after being a lifeguard and a helper of a conductor 288 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.559 and other sort of jobs, he gets a job in 289 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.519 nineteen thirty nine at the New York World's Fair, which 290 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.759 was the time, was this massive extravaganza in Queens Now 291 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.919 this where the US Open plays and was also the 292 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:47.519 site of the nineteen sixty four New York World's Fair, 293 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.039 but in nineteen thirty nine it was it was a 294 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:52.440 really huge deal, and he got a job as a 295 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:57.000 bus dispatcher, and through that that brings him to New 296 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:01.960 York and at some point he meets William, Patricia's father, 297 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.640 I believe, and according to all the documents I can 298 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:09.559 find and other sources and other authors, and they probably 299 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.200 have some sort of intimate relationship. William was about at 300 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:15.200 least eighteen to twenty years older than him and introduces 301 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:20.079 Wayne to this fairly expensive lifestyle cafe society, going to 302 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.839 the Stark Club and ne Al Morocco. And through William, 303 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:27.079 as I said, he's introduced to Patricia when William dies 304 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:32.920 in nineteen forty Bizarrely, whether again Patsy knew about who 305 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:36.839 Wayne really was or what his relationship with her father was, 306 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.279 They start to date. They go to this their first 307 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.839 date is allegedly, at least according to Wayne, because I 308 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.000 could never find out if this was true. At the 309 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.720 Stark Club, where Wayne is apparently treated, he's only like 310 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.119 you know, early twenties, he's treated with deference by the 311 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.759 dorman who had all his power to let people into 312 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.759 the club because it was extremely difficult to get in. 313 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:01.160 Whether that's true or not, I suspect that still part 314 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:04.200 of the story is not. Lucille was wary of Wayne, 315 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.119 probably saw him as a bit of a hustler, because 316 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.319 that's what he was. She takes her. At one point, 317 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.880 she takes Patricia to Santa Barbara, California for a holiday. 318 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:17.559 Wayne manages to scrum some money together and travel and 319 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.440 visit her, and they decide to elope in Las Vegas, 320 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:25.000 and she runs away with Wayne, and in the summer 321 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:29.200 in nineteen forty one, they decide to get married and 322 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.200 they go to like one of these you know hitching 323 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.799 places in Las Vegas, which was well more well known 324 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:40.720 than gambling, and they come back to live there this 325 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:43.680 you know life in New York. You know, Wayne never 326 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:45.960 works really a day in his life after that, and 327 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.759 maybe maybe a little bit, but not much. I mean 328 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.400 Patricia inherits a pretty good think of money from when 329 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.799 her father dies. So you know, she's living on a 330 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.319 certain amount of money, you know, a thousands, more than 331 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:02.319 one thousand dollars every month. And they they she gives 332 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.319 support Swayne financially. She even supports them actually after they 333 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.519 have problems, and she's always giving them money any and 334 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.880 he develops a very high taste in suits and a 335 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:16.599 lot of shoes and monogram shirts and you know, so 336 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.799 he's living this high life that he plays bridge all day, 337 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.680 doesn't get out of bed till ten thirty in the morning, 338 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.279 and doesn't do too much. And they spend a lot 339 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.200 of evenings out, you know, trying to brush shoulders with 340 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.839 the Broadway and Hollywood stars that are at the Store 341 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.680 Club al Morocco, the twenty one Club and places like 342 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.559 that where people with you know, dancing into the night 343 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:44.039 and and those clubs were famous for being you know, 344 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:46.559 you want to be seen, you want your picture taken 345 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:49.480 by the photographer. You want to end up in the 346 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:54.599 next day's gossip column by Walter Windshield or Dorothy Kilgallen 347 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:58.039 or Ed Sullivan. And you know, they were what I 348 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:01.200 refer to as you know, in those days, that's what 349 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.559 it's like Twitter. You know that that was the whole 350 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.200 object to be to be seen and to be known. 351 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:08.640 And and Wayne and they are mentioned. You know, they're 352 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.200 they're sort of bit players really in the whole scheme 353 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.319 of things until until the murder. You know, because the 354 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.119 last night of Patricia's life she spends at the al 355 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.759 Morocco and the club was never really happy that they 356 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.799 were associated with with with either of them. So you 357 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.160 know that that their their marriage meantime is is poor, 358 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.079 even after the child is born. You know, Wayne, Wayne's 359 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:32.680 just a bit of a low to mean he according 360 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.400 to one witness, a person who worked for them for 361 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:39.960 a little while. They had servants, maids and nannies and 362 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.160 so forth. They said that, you know, Patricia would come 363 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:45.920 home crying sometimes in the evening after they went out. 364 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:47.960 Wayne would just sort of desert her at the club 365 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.759 and she'd be left on her own. I'm sure that's 366 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:54.759 quite believable. And you know, during this period of time, 367 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:59.960 Wayne is in fact contacted by the US government Select 368 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.680 Service about enlisting. Even though he's a Canadian, he's actually 369 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:06.759 still eligible to be drafted in the US Army, and 370 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.599 he is, in fact twice he goes through this process. 371 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.039 Once he gets away he's just drunk and they dismiss him. 372 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:19.640 Another he uses the fact that he's homosexual again to 373 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.079 get out of He's eventually declared for f and is 374 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:26.640 let go and not accepted because of her immorality. Again. 375 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:29.759 The US Army is it's just crazy how they had 376 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.400 all these insane tests to try to determine if someone 377 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:36.400 was homosexual. It's pretty when you read about it today, 378 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:39.000 you can't believe that they actually did this kind of stuff. 379 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:42.400 They would strip a guy naked and start asking him 380 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:46.279 all these sexual questions to see what his response would 381 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:49.119 be to determine. This was supposed to determine whether someone 382 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.759 was gay, because they either than communists. I think the 383 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:55.960 greatest fear was that homosexuals will get into the Army. 384 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.039 So Wayne is able to evade getting drafted. But you know, 385 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:01.799 there's a certain tension and I suppose in their lives 386 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:06.319 because of it and by them let's say the June 387 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.680 nineteen forty three, so this is like a year after 388 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:13.480 their child is born. The marriage is in trouble, and 389 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:19.200 ultimately Patricia kicks Wayne out of their apartment. They live 390 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:21.720 with this nice place at the time on Park Avenue 391 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.519 near seventy second Street. I stood in front of the building, 392 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:27.720 still a beautiful building, and I was that's, by the way, 393 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:29.559 just an aside. One of the great things about writing 394 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:31.319 this book was in because New York so well, I 395 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.680 could visit all the sites more or less. Other than 396 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:36.440 the clubs, the Start Club and they El Morocco are 397 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.079 along gone, but you know where Wayne Will lived and 398 00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:41.559 where Patricia lived, where the murder took place on fifty 399 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:44.160 first Streets. It's all still standing, so you at least 400 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.920 get a sense of the geography of the arta, which 401 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.920