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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
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Speaker 4: During Arizona's loss to TCU on Saturday, Teamax set the
Speaker 4: Arizona record for most receiving yards in program history, passing
Speaker 4: his wide receiver coach Bobby Wade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not a surprise. It came a big deal. Three
Speaker 5: years in good big.
Speaker 3: I still you know, before the season started, I said,
Speaker 3: I thought that he would be good down as the
Speaker 3: best player to ever play here, at least in my mind.
Speaker 5: I have some reservations. And it's not his fault. It's
Speaker 5: not his fault. It's just it's just theircumstances. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 5: if you watch, like watch these games, it's kind of
Speaker 5: it's kind of interesting to watch how they're covering him.
Speaker 3: We talked about this. I think you want you had
Speaker 3: to because you were in a Monday. Henry was here too,
Speaker 3: had to be on a Monday when he Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: Imagine how the season's trajectory would have would have worked
Speaker 3: out had he not lost that ball. Yeah, when they
Speaker 3: got punched in at fifty or forty whatever, it was
Speaker 3: driving and they would have had some you know some
Speaker 3: I don't even want to use that word.
Speaker 5: They would have been rolling, right, they had a rhythm,
Speaker 5: any confidence. Well, you know, they win that game, you know,
Speaker 5: does it is it different? I don't know. I still
Speaker 5: think it's more injuries than anything else, and mostly injuries
Speaker 5: on defense. But I think that the thing that Henry
Speaker 5: was alluding to was the fact that the way that
Speaker 5: he's being covered, I mean they got him over the top,
Speaker 5: they got him over to the side, they got him
Speaker 5: across the middle. I mean they're double triple team in
Speaker 5: him every single play. They just don't have anyone. They
Speaker 5: just don't have anybody else that they need to worry about,
Speaker 5: which is the struggle. I think they if they had
Speaker 5: a couple other threats, I think that it'd be it
Speaker 5: opened up a lot right now.
Speaker 4: NFL Week twelve was yesterday. The Packers defeated the Niners
Speaker 4: thirty eight to ten. And the Niners are now lost
Speaker 4: in the NFC West.
Speaker 5: And they're good, and they're good. Well you think they're good,
Speaker 5: but maybe they're used to think so. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Well they didn't. Party was out, but party's been in
Speaker 5: and they still lost. They still lost. I will tell
Speaker 5: you this, the most interesting play that I've that I've
Speaker 5: heard about is Jerry Jones has got to has to
Speaker 5: sign Daniel Jones, has to do it, bring him in,
Speaker 5: see what he does with that. I mean, they're not
Speaker 5: going to make the Cowboys aren't going to make the
Speaker 5: playoffs again. I mean, it's not like they're going to
Speaker 5: go on a roll and some make the playoffs. Bringing
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones and just embarrassing the hell out of the Giants.
Speaker 5: I'd love to see Daniel Jones go in and start playing, playing,
Speaker 5: playing some good ball all of a sudden, you know, uh,
Speaker 5: resurrecting like uh Darnold and Mayfield. Mayfield. Boy Mayfield certainly
Speaker 5: is letting people know that, Uh, the Browns cut him
Speaker 5: and it takes a while to become that player, right,
Speaker 5: It's been a while. He's been around a few times. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the guy that looks really impressive. But I don't think
Speaker 5: you're a bruncle. Guy is the Knicks kid Morgan, although
Speaker 5: I really liked him. Yeah, yeah, I mean the guy
Speaker 5: is just a winner. He just loves playing football. He's
Speaker 5: also your age, I think, yeah, yeah, he's uh, he's
Speaker 5: pretty old. Yeah, but that's what you I don't old
Speaker 5: young whatever. He does exactly what you need.
Speaker 4: I remember when they came here Oregon two years ago.
Speaker 4: He was really impressive. Simple good. Yeah, It's like it's
Speaker 4: like a flag. What did you like about flag? He
Speaker 4: was kind of simple good to me. Just did the
Speaker 4: right things, moved well at the ball, took the right
Speaker 4: shot right, played solid basketball. It's all about fundamentally solid.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. The but that Knicks is absolutely
Speaker 5: fun of the mentally solid. A lot of people saying
Speaker 5: he's going past Daniels on the Rookie of the Year
Speaker 5: next come up. Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 7: Well there's also Bowers of the tight end.
Speaker 5: He's been really good. Powers Yeah, Bowers is like he's
Speaker 5: been unbelievable. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: The Eagles defeated the Rams thirty seven to twenty on
Speaker 4: Sunday Night Football. Saquon Barkley ran for two hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty five yards and is now on pace to break
Speaker 4: Eric Dickerson's record for most rushing yards in a single season.
Speaker 5: Well, and he's Philadelphia's going like, what the hello of
Speaker 5: the Giants? The Giants. Well, that's the thing about it.
Speaker 5: I mean, the Giants decided, Okay, we're gonna keep Daniel Jones,
Speaker 5: we're gonna pay Daniel Jones Daniel Jones money, and we're
Speaker 5: gonna get rid of Saquon Barklay. How's that working out
Speaker 5: for you? That's what I'm saying. If if Daniel Jones
Speaker 5: goes over to the Cowboys and all of a sudden
Speaker 5: starts winning and blowing it out, they may vote to
Speaker 5: kill him and kill the Giants, just like, get rid
Speaker 5: of them, put them out of our misery.
Speaker 3: Well, you're from New York. Ours in New York doing
Speaker 3: the Jets the Giants.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my my grandma is a big Giants fan.
Speaker 5: So have you called her lately? They say, you love, Yes,
Speaker 5: I'm really sorry about grandma. I mean it's like, but
Speaker 5: it's like it's gonna get better. What them? Them and
Speaker 5: the Jets? What are what are terrible organizations? Organizationally, they're
Speaker 5: they're struggling.
Speaker 4: The Seahawks beat the Cardinals sixteen to six and are
Speaker 4: now in first place in the NFC West.
Speaker 5: How boring is that division? I don't know, there's nobody
Speaker 5: that is really that good. They just kind of keep playing.
Speaker 5: Just said dumb question, even though I kind of follow.
Speaker 5: Who's the best team in the NFC right now? Probably
Speaker 5: the well, yeah, because the pers Yeah, I know the Lions,
Speaker 5: Packers question. Packers are playing. Yeah, the Lions. They went
Speaker 5: pretty big. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Baltimore team that I've been on to win it
Speaker 3: all the place tonight, so we'll see.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Do you like you like the I do like
Speaker 5: the Dolphins. I do like the Dolphins. Yeah, I'll tell
Speaker 5: you what. You sit there and you look the Ravens.
Speaker 5: You're like, how can these guys not be the best
Speaker 5: team because that's what they do, and then they go
Speaker 5: out and then they don't. It's like, yeah, we'll see
Speaker 5: how they do today. Of course, I hope Henry doesn't
Speaker 5: get more than ten points in fantasy so I finally
Speaker 5: can win. We'll see about that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, Monday Night football tonight at six fifteen, the
Speaker 4: Ravens at seven and four will be visiting the Chargers
Speaker 4: at seven and three for the hardball ball Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Okay, what are you liking this game? Baltimore?
Speaker 5: Of course, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that I got them. I got them at ten,
Speaker 3: but then I got them at six. I think they're
Speaker 3: back up to about eight now because they lost a couple
Speaker 3: of games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean seven and four. I cannot believe that
Speaker 5: there's seven and four the Steelers. I mean there was
Speaker 5: this was the Steelers lost, right, Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, they lost the Browns.
Speaker 5: They lost. That was a goofy game with that snow boy,
Speaker 5: it was hard hard to keep track of that. But
Speaker 5: uh yeah, the uh well the Steelers know the Steelers
Speaker 5: playing good ball too. They're just winning. That defense is tough,
Speaker 5: so it'll be uh. I think that's going to be
Speaker 5: a good division. We had college football on Saturday.
Speaker 4: Ohio State defeated Indiana thirty eight two fifteen to hand
Speaker 4: Indiana their first loss of the season.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, that wasn't even a good game. Does that
Speaker 5: make Indiana not a real contender for this or oh
Speaker 5: it is? Who is twelve teams? Yeah, there's it is
Speaker 5: kind of tough. I mean everyone seems to be flailing away.
Speaker 5: Ohio State keeps running at it. Notre Dame crushed Army.
Speaker 5: I mean, but you know, we'll it was. It was
Speaker 5: disappointing for Farming, but boy, Notre Dame look really good. Wow,
Speaker 5: they're just so fast on defense.
Speaker 4: Alabama fell to Oklahoma twenty four to two. Three to
Speaker 4: fall to eight and three on the season. Just makes
Speaker 4: you wonder.
Speaker 5: It's like, on does the SEC still demand that you
Speaker 5: get six of their teams in? You know, even though
Speaker 5: they have three losses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gotta see how the rest of the schedule plays out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: ASU defeated by U twenty eight to twenty three and
Speaker 4: are now in first place in the Big twelve.
Speaker 5: Unbelievable. Yeah, and they were picked last, picked last.
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out more about the situation from Doug
Speaker 3: Haller here in about twenty minutes.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It tells you a lot about the sportswriters. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 5: what do you know?
Speaker 3: I've said this all the time. There's no such thing
Speaker 3: as as experts, even collectively. Even worse, they know what
Speaker 3: they know from the previous years. Yeah, and who who
Speaker 3: would have thought that Dillingham would put this team where
Speaker 3: they're at right now?
Speaker 5: But good for him put together. They did. We'll see
Speaker 5: they have not locked up CO Championship game, Big twelve
Speaker 5: Championship game. Birth yea.
Speaker 4: Now because four teams have two losses and them in
Speaker 4: BYU have the tiebreakers over Colorado and Iowa State.
Speaker 5: Wow. And then each team has one game left. Yeah. Wow. Interesting.
Speaker 7: That's all I got.
Speaker 5: Okay, anything else going on? Maybe it'll take some calls.
Speaker 3: If you guys want to give us a call, please
Speaker 3: do five, two zero, four, one, six seventy four forty.
Speaker 3: We'll take a call or two in the time that
Speaker 3: we have left before the next break. We're going to
Speaker 3: talk to Doug Holler from the athletic in Phoenix. So
Speaker 3: we'll talk about a s U.
Speaker 5: He knows about Uba, talked about basketball, football and all
Speaker 5: the good stuff. Okay, So if you want to call,
Speaker 5: please do. Yeah. I'd love to talk to somebody and
Speaker 5: get their insights. Here. You're gonna say something, you look
Speaker 5: that you're gonna let me know about something, Okay. They
Speaker 5: So if they all.
Speaker 7: Win and they can, then it would be a s
Speaker 7: U and B y U.
Speaker 5: S U and B y U in the in the
Speaker 5: championship that's in Kansas City, I think so. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: that'd be a boying game. Who would have fucked all
Speaker 5: that stuff? I gotta play the game, right, s U
Speaker 5: s you by this last week just.
Speaker 3: To me, and I've said this all along, guys, that
Speaker 3: you can train in coaching matters. Coaching matters, even if
Speaker 3: you have a mediocre team or whatever. They could play
Speaker 3: out of their mind if they enjoy the coach treat.
Speaker 3: To my point with with you, you still Brandon still
Speaker 3: has them. How can you say that they don't right
Speaker 3: until you until down the roads as well. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like someone you guys weren't here for the seventy to seven.
Speaker 3: He didn't have that team for a long time, and
Speaker 3: you can kind of tell, right, but no one never
Speaker 3: wrote about it. No one ever talked about it until
Speaker 3: the end of the year. When you say, yeah, he
Speaker 3: didn't have this team because they didn't want to play
Speaker 3: for him, you can just tell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, no, I mean, I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 5: that last game that we lost, what seventy to seven? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I cannot believe. I mean and understand that he got
Speaker 5: fired after that game. I'd have fired that dude to havetime.
Speaker 5: I was jokingly thought he may not come out of
Speaker 5: that lock. I was. I was. I'm telling you someone
Speaker 5: right now. I was so upset because those players were
Speaker 5: not trying. No, they weren't tackling. No, there's a guy
Speaker 5: that the ASU player comes running into the defensive back
Speaker 5: just turns and lets the guy go in the end
Speaker 5: zone and puts his hands on him. And it's like going, Okay,
Speaker 5: these these guys are done. He's quit. Yeah, and someone
Speaker 5: wasn't doing any cat. I'll tell you what, I've never
Speaker 5: been so angry again before in my life. I saw him.
Speaker 5: I saw him later in the UH in the airport
Speaker 5: and uh when when? When was that? It was I
Speaker 5: was wearing an Arizona UH Arizona shirt and I saw
Speaker 5: him in the airport and he's like going, uh, oh tough.
Speaker 5: You know we had we had just lost a game.
Speaker 5: And he goes, oh, tough loss. And I was about
Speaker 5: to say, well, thanks to you, but I was like,
Speaker 5: I just kipped it in because it's like, I know
Speaker 5: that would have just escalated.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, there's nine one one. There's a fight
Speaker 3: in the exactly at the airport here.
Speaker 5: Arizona Arizona fan is beat beating the hell out of someone.
Speaker 5: We're gonna give him a couple of minutes before we
Speaker 5: break this up. Yeah, it was I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5: That was terrible.
Speaker 3: I'm laughing that because I think you think you can
Speaker 3: take him. But that's okay, Yeah, both limp like you guys.
Speaker 3: You guys could win a race in the race because
Speaker 3: we have a hard time.
Speaker 5: Run him down. I wouldn't be able to run him down.
Speaker 5: But boy, I tell you what, I hope he doesn't
Speaker 5: get on me right again. If you want to call that,
Speaker 5: don't call.
Speaker 3: We got about two three minutes, so we'll talk to
Speaker 3: Doug Holler here in a few minutes about what's going on.
Speaker 5: Anything else.
Speaker 3: The women's basketball team they split over the weekend, right, Uh,
Speaker 3: Williams didn't play against any of you.
Speaker 5: That was a horrible lost, horrible loss. And then they
Speaker 5: won yesterday I think it was yesterday, Saturday, Saturday night. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: So UA plays Wednesday afternoon right after the show, h Thursday,
Speaker 5: and then Friday out in the Bahamas. Uh, you were
Speaker 5: talking about, Oh, you didn't talk about the Yukon game
Speaker 5: or did we say that publicly?
Speaker 8: We did?
Speaker 5: We did? We did? They lost the Memphis who else
Speaker 5: is playing right now? On Mali.
Speaker 4: I think it's Colorado and Michigan State. That's the overt
Speaker 4: start of that bracket. Okay, yeah, that's when it's official.
Speaker 4: It's officially basketball season. When the Mali Classic was started. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 4: it starts a season. Start start early. Now that it
Speaker 4: doesn't really matter.
Speaker 5: Yeah it does. It does seem like a little bit
Speaker 5: early that we're getting these things going. But yeah, you
Speaker 5: know what, it's what makes it fun. You know. It's
Speaker 5: that's what I tell you when you look back. I
Speaker 5: mean a lot at the Indiana undefeated season, which we
Speaker 5: were a kid one hundred years ago. Now that seventy six. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like it's six seventy six, Yeah, something like that,
Speaker 5: seventy five or some Yeah, but you sit there and
Speaker 5: it's like, it makes you realize how amazing, yeah, it
Speaker 5: was to be able to go through a season because
Speaker 5: even the UCLA teams. Yeah even yeah, even with the UCLA.
Speaker 5: But boy, I'll tell you what, it's you just can't
Speaker 5: do it. I don't think you can do it anymore.
Speaker 3: No too much no, no too much parody, I mean
Speaker 3: not even parody. It's just takes one bad day and
Speaker 3: you're done. Yeah, you got somebody not shooting well and
Speaker 3: it's over. How about that playoff? You're talking about the
Speaker 3: playoff and you're You're like, you're irish. Where are they
Speaker 3: sitting right now? They're they're up well, depends on where
Speaker 3: you're aut there up to four. I don't know how
Speaker 3: you could rate Penn State above them. I mean, Penn
Speaker 3: State is would el stinko and they they've they've only
Speaker 3: they've only played it one decent team and that's Ohio State.
Speaker 5: And so you're Irish just kind of got under the
Speaker 5: raidar well. Everyone wrote them off after they lost to
Speaker 5: Northern Illinois. They're like, oh, they lost the Northern Illinois.
Speaker 5: Forget it, They're out forget you know, we're never gonna
Speaker 5: see them again. And what they've done since then is
Speaker 5: just beat the hell out of people. Their quarterback I
Speaker 5: don't consider him the greatest passer in the world, but boy,
Speaker 5: that dude can run. And they got a running game,
Speaker 5: and they got a line and they got a defense.
Speaker 5: So yeah, they might be missing a dimension of being
Speaker 5: being perfect, but they are really good on all sides
Speaker 5: of the ball. Let's take the break now, we can
Speaker 5: go and get ahold of Doug and talk more about issue. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that'll be good.
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Speaker 1: Breaking down all the xs and os. This is I
Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
Speaker 3: Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 5: I'm Steve Rivera and today Mike Quinn.
Speaker 3: Now on the Pune, we have Doug Taller from the
Speaker 3: Athletic Doug, how are you.
Speaker 2: Hey, Steve? I'm doing great. How you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm doing fine. Good to hear it from you. How
Speaker 3: we haven't talked in a while. I've left you alone.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, this is the timing year with basketball
Speaker 2: starting up. Of course football season, it's spent pretty wild time.
Speaker 3: Right right, so now it's it's beyond wild.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: It looks like a topsy turvy type of season with
Speaker 3: the ASU team doing what everyone thought the Arizona team
Speaker 3: would do and vice versa, and here we are. What's
Speaker 3: the magic that's happened up in Tempe.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time trying to figure out how they've turned it
Speaker 2: around so quickly. I think one thing, the most important
Speaker 2: thing is is they found the right guy for the job.
Speaker 2: You can't be around any dillinghand without you know, just
Speaker 2: it's just feeling good about the direction of the program.
Speaker 2: And this stretches back to even last season when they
Speaker 2: were struggling. You know, he just seemed to understand what
Speaker 2: Arizona State needed to take the next step, and that
Speaker 2: of course started with fundraising and you know in in
Speaker 2: IL contributions, which is really increased over the last year.
Speaker 2: But probably aside from that, the biggest thing would be,
Speaker 2: you know, they hit on the transfer portal. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a difficult thing to do. But if you can
Speaker 2: hit on most of your guys, then you're gonna maybe
Speaker 2: have a chance to have success. I think all but
Speaker 2: if you go through their starting lineup, all but two
Speaker 2: guys that have transferred in within the last two years,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them are contributing at a high level.
Speaker 2: So that's that's kind of how they've gotten here.
Speaker 3: So you've done your job for a long time as
Speaker 3: I have. And I talk about coaching matters and the
Speaker 3: kids or the players are playing hard for their coach.
Speaker 3: It would be hard for me not to believe that
Speaker 3: they don't play hard for this guy because he shows
Speaker 3: so much emotion and they have to probably buy I'm
Speaker 3: just you know, speculating what I know unless I'm there,
Speaker 3: that they play hard for him because they see that
Speaker 3: in him that they don't want to disappoint him.
Speaker 2: No, I think you you're accurate. That's that's one hundred
Speaker 2: percent correct. You know, Kenny has turned into one of
Speaker 2: the great characters in college football. He's gone viral for
Speaker 2: a number of different things this year, some positive, most positive,
Speaker 2: a couple of things that negative. You know, I wrote
Speaker 2: this past weekend he has a little Steve Spurrier in him.
Speaker 2: Not so much that he's calling out opponents, but just
Speaker 2: he he has this boldness to him. You know, he's
Speaker 2: not afraid, he's honest, he's not afraid to speak his mind.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of coaches speak about him and
Speaker 2: the things I noticed, and you know, I'm not around
Speaker 2: the program on a daily basis like I used to be.
Speaker 2: I do a lot of things up here in Phoenix,
Speaker 2: but if you watch them, uh, there there is a togetherness.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: They play hard for him. I mean there's no not
Speaker 2: just him, but the entire coaching staff. And I think
Speaker 2: that's the part of it as well. They play hard
Speaker 2: for him when they win, and you know, he celebrates
Speaker 2: just like they do. You know, I mean he's jumping
Speaker 2: up and down right off the field. Uh. And you
Speaker 2: could just tell that there's just a connective spirit that's
Speaker 2: definitely been missing, you know, over obviously over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years during the herb adverge transition, but maybe
Speaker 2: going back. Uh. You know, for as long as I
Speaker 2: have covered as you can, he said all the right
Speaker 2: things when he got here. You know you've heard those
Speaker 2: things before. Every reporter has her coach say similar things,
Speaker 2: but you know he's delivered on a lot of them
Speaker 2: in a short period of time.
Speaker 3: It's funny because his press conferences are exactly you know what.
Speaker 3: This may be a bad, uh comparison, but I think
Speaker 3: I see a lot of Josh Passner in him, and
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Josh young energetic. The thing about
Speaker 3: it was with Josh he's not as engaging is not
Speaker 3: the right word, because he's very engaging. That he has
Speaker 3: a different Dylham has a different type of uh excitement
Speaker 3: about him than then than Josh does. But just this
Speaker 3: this youth of the youth, youth that you got to
Speaker 3: love because of who He says some great stuff, nil stuff.
Speaker 3: If you're not bought in you you got to pay
Speaker 3: for the money, and you know whatever he says, I can't.
Speaker 5: He just seems so like got to do it, You
Speaker 5: got to do it. All the excitement and like I say,
Speaker 5: the kids are playing for him and he must be
Speaker 5: a smart coach too. He is.
Speaker 2: He's a he's a smart coach. Some of the things
Speaker 2: he's done with his clock management over his two years,
Speaker 2: you know, taking delay of.
Speaker 5: Game penalty.
Speaker 2: While the clock still runs, when the offense, when one
Speaker 2: team substitutes, and he has his guys who kind of
Speaker 2: cot it off the field that they're all leisurely paced.
Speaker 2: You know, we're just talking about a minute, you know,
Speaker 2: minute twenty something like that. But in close games that matter. Now,
Speaker 2: what happened at the end of this last week's game,
Speaker 2: and it's to be Hyu that was he showed his inexperience.
Speaker 2: He showed his youth there, which you know, he's only
Speaker 2: thirty four years old. I think he's done a really Obviously,
Speaker 2: he's done a great job going from three wins to
Speaker 2: you know, the doorstep of the Big twelve championship game.
Speaker 2: But I was aday, there's a lot of room for
Speaker 2: him to grow, obviously, being as young as he is.
Speaker 2: He's only his second year as a full time ad coach.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's one thing to say, to say
Speaker 2: the things that he's saying, but you also you have
Speaker 2: to connect with your fan base a little bit. And
Speaker 2: he's done that as well as anybody, you know. I
Speaker 2: asked him after a Saturday's game. Saturday news broke that
Speaker 2: they had gotten their coordinators, uh, three year extensions where
Speaker 2: they're going to average you know, over you know, a
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, which is which is big for
Speaker 2: you know, as you know, schools in the state. And
Speaker 2: I asked him about that, and he said, yeah, that
Speaker 2: show is the commitment. But without missing a beat, he
Speaker 2: just transitioned to our team is underpaid, you know, if
Speaker 2: you you know where we need help right now, you know,
Speaker 2: with n I L and keeping these guys here and
Speaker 2: keeping them happy. So he's really really good at that.
Speaker 5: And so I got to a question for you. You
Speaker 5: got a team that's you know, three and nine, first
Speaker 5: year coach, it's blown out by your by your rival.
Speaker 5: And of course I'm talking about Arizona this year. Okay,
Speaker 5: even though that was you guys, that was you guys
Speaker 5: last year. Half of people here are hitting X and
Speaker 5: everything else talking about firing the coach. What's your advice
Speaker 5: to them? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean the Arizona situation given the nomah Fafida and
Speaker 2: CMAC coming back the expectations were so high, given especially
Speaker 2: how they ended last year. I understand the angst and
Speaker 2: the frustration, but I do think it's hard for a
Speaker 2: coaching staff to come in and make their mark. I mean, really,
Speaker 2: where the UFA coaching staff is going to make their
Speaker 2: mark going forward is in this offseason and what they
Speaker 2: can do to bring people in, because I mean, pretty
Speaker 2: much Steve, everything resets. As you know these days, just
Speaker 2: because you have a bad year one year doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that the program is going in the wrong direction. It
Speaker 2: just means you had a bad year and now you
Speaker 2: know you have a chance to get it right. Whereas before,
Speaker 2: you know, you can put together a recruiting class B,
Speaker 2: maybe bring in a couple of transfers, but it was
Speaker 2: the process. You know, it was a two or three
Speaker 2: year deal. It doesn't have to be that anymore. And
Speaker 2: you have to look about at the finances for making
Speaker 2: the coaching change and what that's going to do. You know,
Speaker 2: I would think unless things are just there's stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: or spilling out of the locker room, that this is
Speaker 2: just a disaster and you know, we need to make
Speaker 2: this change before we need to blow this thing up,
Speaker 2: because it's not going to get any better. You know,
Speaker 2: I would wait to see one more year, how the
Speaker 2: off season goes, how they kind of continue to build
Speaker 2: that foundation going into the next year and maybe the
Speaker 2: year after that.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So, I was reading to Twitter. I really to read
Speaker 3: Twitter because I hate Twitter. But Paula, who we both know,
Speaker 3: made an observation over the weekend just about just how
Speaker 3: far ASU has come over the years. You've been there
Speaker 3: for a while. I've been here forever, and I've always
Speaker 3: said that Arizona kind of scened over the last couple
Speaker 3: of years, that they think they were going in the
Speaker 3: right direction. How it was in the ninety five nineties
Speaker 3: when they're really doing well basketball, football, other sports, softball,
Speaker 3: winning some big, good championships, stuff like that, and then
Speaker 3: then this happens. But a issue has come a long
Speaker 3: way from when I don't know, ten years twelve years ago.
Speaker 3: Look at where they're at, even in basketball, which you
Speaker 3: know they're still making baby steps, but they're making those steps.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of it, particularly up here,
Speaker 2: has just been administrative support. You know. Michael Crowe has
Speaker 2: been criticized heavily, particularly the last few years, about his
Speaker 2: commitment to athletics, he was against you know, he wasn't
Speaker 2: he didn't like a transfer portal. He was against nil
Speaker 2: Initially he was not. I think it's well reported he was.
Speaker 2: He did not really want to jump to the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: You know, he's been in his situation, he's been in
Speaker 2: position for a long time. He has this way of
Speaker 2: doing things, and it took him a while to kind
Speaker 2: of come around. Now that they have and they kind
Speaker 2: of embraced all the changes in college athletics, I think
Speaker 2: you're seeing the results. But at the same time, I mean,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned ASU's history, it's always been like, you know,
Speaker 2: once every four years of presidential election, you know, they peak,
Speaker 2: they have a ten win season in football, they get
Speaker 2: to the NCAA tournaments basketball, and they just can't sustain it.
Speaker 2: So you know, this year is this year, and it's great,
Speaker 2: but you know, next year, as I mentioned earlier, everything
Speaker 2: in resets and the key will be or then to
Speaker 2: keep their staff together, you know, to continue to build
Speaker 2: and see where it takes them.
Speaker 3: Right right, I think resets the perfect word. Let's talk
Speaker 3: about reset. Arizona basketball has has done what it has
Speaker 3: done over the last few years. We know, under Tommy
Speaker 3: and then you see what they've done the last two weeks,
Speaker 3: and you're thinking, and I really like this team. I
Speaker 3: thought he put the pieces together that would work. And
Speaker 3: then you see two games You're thinking, what the hell
Speaker 3: is going on?
Speaker 5: Did you see the Duke games?
Speaker 13: I did?
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 2: I think it's as you know, it's it's it's dangerous
Speaker 2: to kind of draw conclusions on the basketball team in November,
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of I'm concerned about Kale Love
Speaker 2: a little bit and his struggles in big moments, but
Speaker 2: I do know that I do like how that team
Speaker 2: is built. And I also think that Duke is incredibly
Speaker 2: impressive with some of their young kids. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: they are. I would be really surprised if Duke's not,
Speaker 2: you know, right there at the end with a chance
Speaker 2: to win the national title. They they really got a
Speaker 2: lot of things going. But you know, I wish I
Speaker 2: could have gone down. We had a couple of writers
Speaker 2: there for the athletic and that built on McHale. But
Speaker 2: I really wanted to be there because I just wanted
Speaker 2: to see the atmosphere because obviously McHale is such a
Speaker 2: great place to watch college basketball anyway, But I knew
Speaker 2: I knew that Duke was going to raise that a
Speaker 2: couple of matches, so I really wish I couldn't. I've
Speaker 2: asked around, I've heard was a great atmosphere. I sink
Speaker 2: you were there.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was exactly what you say.
Speaker 3: They just didn't get their moneys were because it was
Speaker 3: a hot ticket and do probably kind of owned them
Speaker 3: from from about the first After the first five minutes
Speaker 3: it was over.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: And you you don't see that happen to Arizona basketball teams.
Speaker 3: So we'll see, and I totally agree. It's November.
Speaker 5: Talk to me in March, as we always do, and
Speaker 5: then we'll say, well, what the hell this happened?
Speaker 3: How did that happen? We didn't see that in November? Right,
Speaker 3: So what do you think this weekend? A big game
Speaker 3: down here? And you've seen enough of these to know
Speaker 3: that the underdog typically shows up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand. I think a lot of people who
Speaker 2: are familiar with the Territorial Cup history up here are
Speaker 2: nervous for and I would say, rightfully, so, Uh, you
Speaker 2: know it's when the team has nothing to play for
Speaker 2: except for this game. That's a dangerous opponent. And you
Speaker 2: know Arizona State has gotten a lot of publicity lately,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's a lot of positive energy and
Speaker 2: people are looking at and in the media as well,
Speaker 2: already looking forward at, looking at Big Tel Big twelve
Speaker 2: championship game scenarios, tiebreakers, you know, can ASU get into
Speaker 2: the playoff hunt? But I will say, you know, the
Speaker 2: last time this happened, I believe it was two thousand
Speaker 2: and thirteen, fourteen, and I get my years mixed up.
Speaker 2: You know, ASU had a game on campus against Notre Dame,
Speaker 2: huge game, probably the last biggest game they've had up
Speaker 2: until this Saturday. They won that, and everyone did the
Speaker 2: same thing, started looking forward to started calculating college football
Speaker 2: playoff chances and all that, and then they went to
Speaker 2: Oregon State and lost two five seventeen if I remember right. So,
Speaker 2: you know, everybody is well aware of what could happen
Speaker 2: in this game. I don't look at it as you know,
Speaker 2: what is a su an eight point favorite? Sect you
Speaker 2: out right? Yeah, yeah, you know, I wouldn't trust any
Speaker 2: of that going into this game. It's just one of
Speaker 2: those games that you just don't know what to expect.
Speaker 3: Right, No, because Arizona still has you assume, because we
Speaker 3: know this Arizona has talent, they're just not playing to
Speaker 3: any kind of talent they have. And and maybe that
Speaker 3: one day they show up and it works, and who
Speaker 3: knows what happens is you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And I'm not I'm not connected down there enough to
Speaker 2: know like what the vibe of the locker room is.
Speaker 2: But I also think, you know, if it's a situation
Speaker 2: where they feel like they have to play for the
Speaker 2: coaching staff, you know, that could raise uh you know,
Speaker 2: the that could raise their performance a little bit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: On the flip side, if they're not uh really down
Speaker 2: with how things have gone, uh, you know, they may
Speaker 2: be over it already, you know it just you know,
Speaker 2: from what I've seen, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Speaker 2: But you know, if a team we I remember a
Speaker 2: team that you know, an a SU team that went
Speaker 2: down there and with you know, a chance to reach
Speaker 2: ball eligibility, and that was when rich Rod just blew
Speaker 2: the socks out of them. And I think I think
Speaker 2: that ASU team had a little bit of top gram
Speaker 2: fatigue at that time and just you know, just didn't
Speaker 2: have it in them to go out there and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, meet the high intensity of a rivalry game.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, here we are. We'll see you Saturday.
Speaker 2: I will be down on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks a bunch as usual, and we'll probably see
Speaker 3: you after Saturday. A couple of basketball games. This Big
Speaker 3: twelve should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I can't wait, I said, I told someone today, I
Speaker 2: haven't been, you know, locally, just excited about a basketball
Speaker 2: season in a while, just because I don't know what's
Speaker 2: expect I mean, normally, you look at Okay, you kind
Speaker 2: of figure not, you know, can Arizona be Oregon? At Oregon?
Speaker 2: Can they be Utah? But now I don't know how
Speaker 2: the two Desert schools fit into the Big twelve. I'm
Speaker 2: really looking forward to seeing how that fits.
Speaker 5: Right. Every week we can say can they be Houston?
Speaker 5: Can they be Baylor?
Speaker 7: Can they be right right right right?
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks Doug, appreciate you. All right, thanks for having me,
Speaker 5: Doug call it from the.
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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to I'm the Ball here Fox Sports
Speaker 3: fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Bavera. You're not Steve, You're Mike Quin.
Speaker 5: That's Steve. I'm trying to be Mike.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm looking for a I was looking for a
Speaker 3: Santa Santa for this Christmas. Can you can I train?
Speaker 3: I train all year to be Santa. Well, we got
Speaker 3: to the Bobby for it. You have the suit for it.
Speaker 5: I don't have the suit that if I had bought
Speaker 5: the suit, then I'd be doing it all the time,
Speaker 5: like I'd be doing it all day. I don't have
Speaker 5: any beard. I don't have the beard. I think when
Speaker 5: I got the beard, but it would be like the
Speaker 5: cool Santa. Yeah no, yeah, yeah, ugly Santa. They Uh no,
Speaker 5: I I I've played Santa number of times.
Speaker 3: Okay, unfortunately, Okay, guys, Hey we got we get about
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. If you guys want to call five to zero,
Speaker 3: four one, six, seventy four forty, I guess you're too
Speaker 3: pissed to call yeah to to this point, don't want
Speaker 3: to talk about sports. I lift that phone in call. Yeah,
Speaker 3: lift the phone. I'll tell you how old I am.
Speaker 3: Lift the phone. You haven't lifted the phone a lot time?
Speaker 3: Lifted the phone?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, it's uh you gotta.
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I still believe, and I've said this for
Speaker 3: a month, and Henry's listened to me often enough and
Speaker 3: probably you too much, that the guys are playing hard
Speaker 3: for their coach. But this weekend, I'll play hard for
Speaker 3: their coach. And there's still there's still a talented group.
Speaker 3: They're they're talented and just maybe one magical day, they
Speaker 3: pay hard for the coach and they beat a issue.
Speaker 3: I still gave you a tip that Arizona would be
Speaker 3: duke last week, So don't.
Speaker 5: Don't you did give me that tip the But I
Speaker 5: will tell you I do believe that they're gonna play hard.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think this this team if I
Speaker 5: you know, I watched them play, this team is not
Speaker 5: going to roll over.
Speaker 3: Especially this game. I mean, you've been through four. You
Speaker 3: weren't here for the Summling game, right, No, that was
Speaker 3: your last you're still freshman or high school in high school? Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you're what two and two and one? Yeah, two
Speaker 3: and one, two and one could end up two and two.
Speaker 3: But they always play well. Whoever's the end of all?
Speaker 3: Always are you said.
Speaker 5: From the BEGINO? I mean when we were here in
Speaker 5: the beginning, it matters. I mean, twenty years from now,
Speaker 5: you're going to be like, on, hey, what was the
Speaker 5: record when you're there? When I was when I was it, No,
Speaker 5: I was giving you. I was playing Devil's advocate for that.
Speaker 5: But I mean, you have a bad year, Oh what'd
Speaker 5: you do this? That year? We sucked, but we did
Speaker 5: be days you. Yeah, I mean it matters, It really matters,
Speaker 5: and so in anything, you know, you say, anything can happen,
Speaker 5: but anything did. I mean I was here when we
Speaker 5: lost that game seven and six and we were killing them.
Speaker 5: We were so much better than a SCU so much better,
Speaker 5: and we're just like, yeah, well, you know, it's like
Speaker 5: they'll never score on our defense. Next to you know,
Speaker 5: the pot the big player. It's like, oops, we lose
Speaker 5: seven to six. The you don't get to win by
Speaker 5: a lot, But you just gotta you know, like you've said,
Speaker 5: and we've said a number of times, it's not like
Speaker 5: we don't have talent on this team. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is a talented team. Still, even though you have a
Speaker 5: bunch of injuries, I still think they have enough. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean they they have enough to win this. To Kobe, everybody,
Speaker 5: to Kobe's not Cody's point is the receiver to receiver two.
Speaker 5: They don't have a receiver two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hunter, he's been good in the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: He's right, but like they don't even really have a
Speaker 4: receiver three. Also, even when he stepped.
Speaker 5: Up, yeah and tight ends that have they gone to
Speaker 5: them much?
Speaker 4: Not really, right, I mean, Burnett had like a couple
Speaker 4: of really good weeks and then throwing the ball do right.
Speaker 7: And last year they always used tight ends.
Speaker 5: So sure, sure we were probably wrong in expectations new
Speaker 5: coach players coming back. I still think the coaches matter,
Speaker 5: and that's where I'll start. There's no doubt that coaching matters.
Speaker 5: I mean, and certainly the way it is. But you know,
Speaker 5: like I was trying to allude to here, it's like
Speaker 5: going last year, Arizona State was three and nine. Okay,
Speaker 5: they had a brand new coach, brand new system. They
Speaker 5: got blowed out by Arizona in the in the Territorial
Speaker 5: Cup game. And this year they're turned it around me
Speaker 5: because they stuck with their coach and they believed in
Speaker 5: their coach. Worth three and nine or somewhere around there, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: four and we're playing We're playing against Arizona State. I
Speaker 5: don't think we're gonna get blown out.
Speaker 3: How much do you think but at il is affecting
Speaker 3: this team or most teams? And I'm saying this because
Speaker 3: we know that the guys are getting paid. I don't
Speaker 3: know how much they're getting paid, but how much how
Speaker 3: much do you think it's a factory, and how well
Speaker 3: they're being not paid, how well they're playing.
Speaker 5: I don't know. You could sit there and say, well,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, where we're gonna be the best team
Speaker 5: that money can buy? Right, And there are teams out there.
Speaker 5: Oregon is one of the best teams of money can buy.
Speaker 5: But then I think that they're play though you still
Speaker 5: have to play the game. I think that there are
Speaker 5: teams out there that have a couple of guys that
Speaker 5: are making some money and everybody else is it and
Speaker 5: it's not good in terms.
Speaker 3: Of I totally agree with that. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3: Let me ask, no, i'd have to go personal with you.
Speaker 3: I'll do it generically. So I know you and I
Speaker 3: joke about income discrepancy, and you you you're well off,
Speaker 3: you know much more than me. So so in your
Speaker 3: world of being well off or being comfortable stay comfortable,
Speaker 3: did you ever concern yourself with the other people that
Speaker 3: you work with that were comfortable in a similar position?
Speaker 3: Unfair question, because really, well, I spent twenty five years
Speaker 3: in the army, so yeah, I was making some money
Speaker 3: as a as an officer in the army. But you're
Speaker 3: always concerned about your soldiers and what they're doing and
Speaker 3: how they're making it. I'm talking about the other place
Speaker 3: when I was like when I was here esewhere, when
Speaker 3: I was not in the army.
Speaker 5: Yes, not as much. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 5: do my counterparts making acts and I'm doing the same
Speaker 5: job and yah YadA, YadA, or my job is just
Speaker 5: as important and I should be making just as much
Speaker 5: as that. You see it in the workforce place. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean I I there was there certainly was some
Speaker 5: of that. You know, they're it's like when this kid
Speaker 5: is making more. Yeah, uh, the line is busy for
Speaker 5: some reason. People are trying to call it. Let me
Speaker 5: go ahead and talk. I'm gonna, We're gonna. So I
Speaker 5: do think that there are people that are interested in
Speaker 5: like going, hey, this person's making more than I'm making.
Speaker 5: I think that teams are getting better about spreading the wealth,
Speaker 5: everybody getting a little bit of the piece. There's always
Speaker 5: been this thing about you know, the quarterbacks, the big
Speaker 5: deal and the big shot on the team, and then
Speaker 5: they get all the limelight, and there's been that there's
Speaker 5: been some of that jealousy that goes around with it,
Speaker 5: and how can it not be well, there's got to
Speaker 5: be a little bit of that. It's like going, you know, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm you know, but you know, it's like you're
Speaker 5: the straw that stirs the drink, you know. I mean Sanders,
Speaker 5: kids don't care about Sanders and Hunter. Sanders and Hunter
Speaker 5: are the straw stirs the drink at Colorado. And I
Speaker 5: think that there are a lot of folks on that
Speaker 5: team that are like that are acknowledged that. You know,
Speaker 5: it's like they're the ones that are going to be
Speaker 5: making the money. But I think that they're doing a
Speaker 5: better job of spreading the well. Well, you bring up
Speaker 5: a point.
Speaker 3: You bring up a point that the straw to drink
Speaker 3: was seventy in the mid seventies, late seventies with Dale
Speaker 3: Strawberry Jackson with Reggie Reggie, and the players resented who
Speaker 3: he was while they resented Reggie Jackson because Reggie Jackson, okay,
Speaker 3: certainly resented.
Speaker 5: That's part of it, though, that is part of it.
Speaker 5: It depends on how you act, Okay, So I think
Speaker 5: it more in the individual than it's the nail. Now,
Speaker 5: I will say this, what Nil's gonna do is really gonna,
Speaker 5: you know, move people around. Okay, I mean you got
Speaker 5: the transfer portal that are you know, moving people around.
Speaker 5: People are gonna move and Doug he used the perfect word. Uh,
Speaker 5: it's reset, right each year you have to So we
Speaker 5: thought we thought, okay, that what was going to happen
Speaker 5: was everyone was going to gravitate towards certain places. You
Speaker 5: were going to have this nil was going to drive
Speaker 5: everybody to Alabama or everybody to usc Okay, where the
Speaker 5: money was. That's where they're all going to go. Success
Speaker 5: and money, yeah, success, well money, I mean it's gonna
Speaker 5: be Let me wet this guy that just left LSU
Speaker 5: to for Michigan because uh Ellert Ellerson, Ellerson, Ellison Ellison,
Speaker 5: the guy for Oracle. Uh put up ten million dollars
Speaker 5: for this guy. So here you go. So let me
Speaker 5: let me tell you this.
Speaker 3: And to the guys that here are students, Okay, Arizona
Speaker 3: continues to decline, they already lost them guy to Florida.
Speaker 5: This today commitment. So so if you continue to decline,
Speaker 5: graduate or otherwise and you don't have a you're not
Speaker 5: a place that has a lot of money. Where's this
Speaker 5: going to turn into or what is this going to
Speaker 5: turn into? New Mexico? I know, I will tell you
Speaker 5: that there's a lot of talent out there. You're finding teams.
Speaker 5: I mean, think about it. You got Indiana, Indiana. Come on,
Speaker 5: Indiana's not sitting there. I mean when we sat there
Speaker 5: and came up with this nil and this transfer portal,
Speaker 5: people weren't going to go, oh, this is gonna be
Speaker 5: the rise of Indiana. That's this Indiana's going to be
Speaker 5: able to turn around. That's why coaching matters. Boise State, Okay,
Speaker 5: Boise States. Where all the money is, then it's gonna
Speaker 5: really matter. No, Look, it is something that what we
Speaker 5: are finding is that there are teams out there that
Speaker 5: are finding these diamonds in the rough. They're paying these kids. Okay,
Speaker 5: not you know, they may not be paying them are
Speaker 5: huch Manny money or jair Urs Sanders money, but they're
Speaker 5: you know, but they're paying these guys, and these guys
Speaker 5: are playing. So I think that's the interesting thing about
Speaker 5: this uh postonal environment is the fact that we're finally
Speaker 5: getting I mean, we're getting teams that we didn't think
Speaker 5: we're going to always be the winners that are playing
Speaker 5: really really well. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the surprising surprising thing for me. Yeah, apparently,
Speaker 3: I know we're having in trouble with the phones. A
Speaker 3: couple of people have texted me that they're trying to
Speaker 3: call them, but it's been busy, trying to get their
Speaker 3: notice so we can call them. Yeah, and that's what
Speaker 3: they're saying, that it's been busy. We had that problem
Speaker 3: when we first got in. How do we get ahold
Speaker 3: of the two we call them? Right, So we got
Speaker 3: to call the people that are trying to call us. No,
Speaker 3: Troy called us eventually got it. Yeah, okay, but we
Speaker 3: are having trouble with the people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, been busy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, try again, if you'd like to try five
Speaker 3: to two hurt maybe it'll get through. But we don't
Speaker 3: know what's going on with the phone. Yeah, yeah, definitely
Speaker 3: like to hear from people. Yeah, I know a couple
Speaker 3: of people have text.
Speaker 5: Because there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff,
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff going on, a lot of a
Speaker 5: lot of a lot of a lot of takes that
Speaker 5: can be taken out of this, you know. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: had a guy send me a note today is like going,
Speaker 5: you know, we'd be better off if if we just
Speaker 5: didn't play Caleb at all. Of course, what's that guy
Speaker 5: do for a living? Well, he doesn't coach basket Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's silly, that's silly. Yeah, well I don't know, are
Speaker 5: we you know? Is it auditioned by subtraction? Well that
Speaker 5: was the whole thing. When when he decided to come back,
Speaker 5: and everybody was excited, I'm sorry to say I wasn't
Speaker 5: that excited.
Speaker 3: I wasn't because some dude went to another recruit, went
Speaker 3: to went to Phoenix, went to Issue. They would have
Speaker 3: been fine without him. And I'm not saying he's the
Speaker 3: reason why they're doing what they're doing.
Speaker 5: I don't. Yeah, I don't think he's the reason they're
Speaker 5: doing it. He's too good of a player. But when
Speaker 5: you wait for somebody, and or when when you have somebody,
Speaker 5: it'd be nice to get it. Yeah, I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: try to do something. We got to call. We're gonna
Speaker 5: try to call somebody. Uh go ahead and talk. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the Uh, well it'll I think it'll be interesting to
Speaker 5: see kind of where he goes and what happens next
Speaker 5: with with Kle how he shows up in this in
Speaker 5: this next game. Maybe maybe the Sea Breezes will do
Speaker 5: better in the pajamas. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And if he continues this, though, if he continues this,
Speaker 3: you've got to start saying, okay, maybe it's time to
Speaker 3: kind of get you off the bench. Maybe be the
Speaker 3: spark that you need to be, the Pelee Larson that
Speaker 3: had been there for the last two three years. Come
Speaker 3: out of the bench, get this, get the juices flowing
Speaker 3: and things like that in the movement another place. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: couldn't hurt, right, Yeah, I mean put him, put them,
Speaker 3: put him back in point guard.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Hey, we got a call on the air. Hey
Speaker 5: you're on the air. Who's this? Hey, Steve, this is done?
Speaker 5: How you doing don Thanks? Thanks for trying to Hey,
Speaker 5: how you doing done? Hey? Oh all right, you got
Speaker 5: two minutes?
Speaker 6: Two minutes with this nil deal, I guess with with
Speaker 6: that money that all the school they're gonna have to
Speaker 6: start paying out and then they're gonna lower the roster numbers.
Speaker 6: That's going to free up more people to play for
Speaker 6: the lesser rich schools.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, so, I think that's.
Speaker 6: That's gonna that's gonna disseminate more of the talent. Like
Speaker 6: Mike was saying, and if if if you got coaches
Speaker 6: that got a good eye, you're gonna be able to
Speaker 6: get some steals out there. And if you and if
Speaker 6: you set up if if if Arizona is to set
Speaker 6: up the collective where look, we're gonna give you some
Speaker 6: money so you can live while you're here, but you're
Speaker 6: still gonna have to do your part, get your degree,
Speaker 6: move on and we can still be here.
Speaker 5: I went to a trade school.
Speaker 6: They had they had employment, you know, services for me
Speaker 6: after I left and everything. I could go back if
Speaker 6: I needed help trying to find.
Speaker 5: A job whatever.
Speaker 6: Then you know you could do something like that. And
Speaker 6: if you can do that and make make make a
Speaker 6: culture of having a program that takes care of your people.
Speaker 5: Well done. Do you do you shop at Ross dressed
Speaker 5: for lesser Marshalls. That's what you're talking about. That's what
Speaker 5: you're talking about.
Speaker 6: That's not That's not true, Steve, That is not true,
Speaker 6: because you know rich Rod had okg's that won.
Speaker 5: The PAC twelve South.
Speaker 6: He told me was doing it with Dick Tomy, was
Speaker 6: doing it with guys that Bill Walsh said he would
Speaker 6: just hold him off and throw him on the field.
Speaker 6: Arizona has always done this.
Speaker 5: How often has that successful? How often has this been successful?
Speaker 5: You know, it.
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing is now that now that you're
Speaker 6: going to be able to pay, guys aren't going to
Speaker 6: have to go and get the old style nil money
Speaker 6: that has always been there. I mean, I've I've heard
Speaker 6: stories at the barbershop. It was going on here in
Speaker 6: the early eighties, it was going on at Arizona in
Speaker 6: the early eighties. There's there's always.
Speaker 5: Been n I l oh, sure, of course.
Speaker 6: So so now you know, because you know Aydon got paid,
Speaker 6: that's that happened. Yeah, yeah, breaking news, you know, from
Speaker 6: six years ago. But still I mean because some people
Speaker 6: don't believe it. But some people still don't believe it.
Speaker 5: But I think with it's exactly to your point, Janty,
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody had Jentt on their radar. I mean,
Speaker 5: who had them in their Bengal card? Who for Janty?
Speaker 5: The guy from Boise State. Yeah, I mean it's like,
Speaker 5: I mean, when you wouldn't you try and get that
Speaker 5: guy in if you knew about him, but you didn't.
Speaker 6: You didn't because there's so many kids out there there,
Speaker 6: there is so much.
Speaker 5: Talent out there. Well you guess what you turn into.
Speaker 3: Arizona of the nineteen whatever was that's what you turn
Speaker 3: because Arizona's gonna be.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, is if you can build a culture
Speaker 6: where you can attract guys and say, hey, look, this
Speaker 6: is if we became a four year school instead of
Speaker 6: having to you know, beg these guys and and beg
Speaker 6: them and give them a raise to try to keep them,
Speaker 6: you know. And I and I just hope that at
Speaker 6: some point, either the n c a A or the
Speaker 6: or Congress or somebody does something because this is ridiculous.
Speaker 6: It's not supposed it wasn't supposed to be pro ball.
Speaker 5: We gotta go. We gotta go.
Speaker 3: Thank you, donn if we give brother into the coffee, Thanks,
Speaker 3: good points, take care guys. Yeah, we gotta go see
Speaker 3: you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Thanks,