Speaker 1: Welcome to Here's to Your Health With Joshua Lane. Here's
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Speaker 1: Your host, Joshua Lane, was part of the Doctor and
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Speaker 2: Welcome to this edition of Here's to Your Health. I'm
Speaker 2: your host, josh Lane, and my guest is doctor Thomas Leedy.
Speaker 2: Doctor Leedy is an MD and also a graduate attorney
Speaker 2: and Doctor Levy has a long history of being involved
Speaker 2: with wellness issues, including the use of the importance of
Speaker 2: vitamin C, the problems with root canal, all sorts of
Speaker 2: issues that today we kind of take for granted as
Speaker 2: being well. Of course we know that, but when doctor
Speaker 2: Thomas Levy was discussing this and studying this, this subject
Speaker 2: was really dismissed. And now it's great that if the
Speaker 2: information is correct and if you persevere, then people do
Speaker 2: learn about it. Doctor Thomas Levy, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, glad to be here.
Speaker 2: Joshua very happy to have you on as we begin
Speaker 2: the show, Doctor Levy, you are a graduate MD, practicing MD,
Speaker 2: and also you are a graduate practicing attorney. And so
Speaker 2: where did you receive your academic training?
Speaker 3: Well, I got my biology degree from Johns Hopkins University
Speaker 3: in Baltimore, and then subsequently got my medical degree and
Speaker 3: all of my postgraduate medical treatment, internship, residency, fellowship, and
Speaker 3: faculty at the Tulane University School of Medicine. And then
Speaker 3: much later, after I got into a few things that
Speaker 3: we may or may not talk about, I decided it
Speaker 3: was that idea to get a law degree too, and
Speaker 3: I got graduated from the University of Denver School of
Speaker 3: Law and then passed the bar.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so we know, sir, that you can study.
Speaker 2: We do know that.
Speaker 4: Okay, very good, Okay, very good. Okay.
Speaker 2: Now now today, actually you have a subject which frankly,
Speaker 2: I had never even heard about as an issue affecting us,
Speaker 2: and that is yeah, and we've been working on removing
Speaker 2: iron filings from fortified foods. Let me just repeat that
Speaker 2: for the audience, removing iron filings from fortified foods. Now, please, sir,
Speaker 2: tell me about that. I never heard about that.
Speaker 3: Well, actually it's been going on since nineteen forty one.
Speaker 3: At the time, it was observed by our public health
Speaker 3: authorities that there were populations of children and starving nations
Speaker 3: that had iron deficiency anemia, and they said, well, we
Speaker 3: can't possibly have that in the United States, so they
Speaker 3: just decided with a genius move to start putting iron
Speaker 3: in all food. Well, iron is what I call a
Speaker 3: toxic nutrient. You absolutely need it at a certain minimal
Speaker 3: level to function as coenzymes in your body and to
Speaker 3: build enough of a blood plot. But ironically enough, the
Speaker 3: way the body works, high levels of iron are also
Speaker 3: what triggered extreme oxidative stress and program cell death. So basically,
Speaker 3: the higher your iron level goes beyond what you absolutely
Speaker 3: need is pure toxicity, increase heart disease, increase cancer, and
Speaker 3: increased all cause mortality. That's probably your most important statistic.
Speaker 3: The higher your iron level goes, the sooner you die
Speaker 3: and the more diseases you have. Problem is, we've been
Speaker 3: sort of brainwashed since I don't mean to be flipping
Speaker 3: about this, since the days of pop by the sailor Man,
Speaker 3: pop by the sailor Man eat his spinach, which was hot.
Speaker 3: A lot of iron, and because I'm super strong. And actually,
Speaker 3: since I've started this, I've gotten some really nasty, nasty
Speaker 3: emails and the texts from people, Why are you trying
Speaker 3: to take out this important nutrient? Iron should be a
Speaker 3: prescription item only, and it should be only given when
Speaker 3: a doctor diagnoses specifically an iron deficiency anemia and then
Speaker 3: gives you enough iron so that you can to rebuild
Speaker 3: your blood count. But beyond that is pure toxicity.
Speaker 2: Wow, well I did not. That's just amazing information. Our
Speaker 2: guest is doctor Thomas Levy. Doctor Thomas Levy is a
Speaker 2: physic practicing physician, graduate of Tulane and also a graduate attorney.
Speaker 2: Now about iron is essential, So in other words, you're
Speaker 2: I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your position is
Speaker 2: we should eat our iron foods like we should eat
Speaker 2: spinach and we should eat beats. But really, in your opinion,
Speaker 2: based on your scientific research, we should not be taking
Speaker 2: iron supplements absolutely never.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's pre oxicity. And that's why I say, and
Speaker 3: believe me, Philosophically, I want there to be less and
Speaker 3: less prescription drugs and more and more supplements available without
Speaker 3: intervening a doctor. Not the case with iron. Iron is
Speaker 3: absolutely something that we've been misschooled on, and unfortunately lots
Speaker 3: of docs don't have the scoop on it either. We
Speaker 3: actually have so many cancer doctors where people have a
Speaker 3: chronic anemia, but it's not an iron deficiency anemia. It's
Speaker 3: a anemia of chronic disease, and they just give iron
Speaker 3: because they think iron is good for anemia. No, it's
Speaker 3: only good for iron deficiency anemia. And they actually end
Speaker 3: up poisoning their patients even more by giving something they
Speaker 3: don't need that actively increases the oxidative stress inside their body.
Speaker 3: And we don't have a whole lot of time, but
Speaker 3: let me just tell you, and this has comes from
Speaker 3: my most recent book, The only cause of disease, The
Speaker 3: only cause of disease are things that oxidize. The only
Speaker 3: things that oxidize are toxins. And when I say oxidation,
Speaker 3: I mean they go in, they hit a biomolecule, protein, fat, enzyme,
Speaker 3: and they take electrons away and then they inactivate that biomolecule.
Speaker 3: So the more toxic you have, the more biomolecules you
Speaker 3: have inactivated. And it's that pattern of inactivation that comprises
Speaker 3: every disease. So the whole point and very very simple.
Speaker 3: What involves a lot of data. Is the key to
Speaker 3: good health is minimize your toxic exposure and maximize your
Speaker 3: nutrient antioxidant intake.
Speaker 2: Well, our guest is doctor Thomas Leedy, doctor Levy, is
Speaker 2: isn't it practicing attorney as many as of experience with wellness?
Speaker 2: Like to mention this way before people were paying much attention.
Speaker 2: That is, back in the seventies, doctor Leevy was paying
Speaker 2: attention to this, doctor Levy. So when we eat beats,
Speaker 2: which I guess is you know everyone kind of loves
Speaker 2: steam beats, So is that a good choice we want
Speaker 2: to eat beats?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Any good balance of fresh vegetables, especially those that are
Speaker 3: produced organically that not only have less toxins in it,
Speaker 3: but more nutrients. That's another problem with our health is
Speaker 3: due to our fertilizers and our lifestyle and external toxins,
Speaker 3: the actual content nutrient content of wonderful, fresh tasting vegetables
Speaker 3: is depleted dramatically over the last fifty or sixty years.
Speaker 3: So no, But the more I'm not pro vegetarian. I
Speaker 3: think meat is an essential part of the diet to
Speaker 3: get a full balance of all the amino acids that
Speaker 3: you need. But whether you're a vegetarian, whether you eat
Speaker 3: a little bit of meat, whether you eat a lot
Speaker 3: of meat, it should always be of the purest form. Okay,
Speaker 3: because our primary sources of toxins are environmental okay, food, air,
Speaker 3: and water. But even more importantly, and you alluded to
Speaker 3: this before we started we were just having a chat,
Speaker 3: the primary sources of toxes that cause all disease come
Speaker 3: from pathogens. They come from pathogen growth infections or pathogen colonizations.
Speaker 3: Because all the pathoges do as they multiply, as they
Speaker 3: produce toxic metabolic products. And then especially in the nose
Speaker 3: and throat, what you do you swallow them. When you
Speaker 3: swallow them, you poison your gut. You change the microbiome
Speaker 3: into a pathogen ridden microbiome. You poison the proximal gut
Speaker 3: so that it becomes leaky, and just by not addressing
Speaker 3: the pathogens in your mouth, nose, and throat infections and colonizations,
Speaker 3: you ultimately turn your gut into a poison producing factory
Speaker 3: that really exacerbates all diseases they go throughout your body.
Speaker 3: So it's simple in one way, and it's not difficult
Speaker 3: to do the right things.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: But I mean you go to the drug store and
Speaker 3: you see aisles and aisles and aisles of gut products. Okay, constipation, diarrhea, acid, nausea,
Speaker 3: all these sort of things. That's because nearly everybody has
Speaker 3: this pathage and colonization that's never been addressed. There's things
Speaker 3: you can do about it, but when you do address it,
Speaker 3: these gut things resolve dramatically. I've actually had unsolicited I've
Speaker 3: had emails for patients who have started doing what's called
Speaker 3: hydrogen peroxide nebulization that cleans out the nose and throat
Speaker 3: from these pathogen colonizations. And in one case, a woman's
Speaker 3: sixteen year old child son, over the course of a
Speaker 3: month or two, completely resolved his prose disease that he
Speaker 3: had had for many years and he had been bedridden.
Speaker 3: Another woman had a family just with black mold disease.
Speaker 3: They had all been sick for years. They all started
Speaker 3: doing this that all resolved. Point being is the gut
Speaker 3: regenerates itself very quickly if you stop poisoning it. Didn't
Speaker 3: want to go off on a hall attention. It's really
Speaker 3: a critical factor that plays into all diseases. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying a normal gut, everything goes away. But
Speaker 3: you get a normal gut, everything gets better.
Speaker 2: Right, right, great information are for those just tuning into
Speaker 2: the show. Our guest is doctor Thomas Leevy. Doctor Thomas
Speaker 2: Leevee is an MD and also a graduate practicing attorney,
Speaker 2: and he's been following these ideas on wellness fifty years,
Speaker 2: which is really only when you get to be older
Speaker 2: men the way doctor Leevy and I are. Can you
Speaker 2: actually use it words like fifty years and it's people saying, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: fifty years, we get it. You know, you can't possibly
Speaker 2: notice when you're twenty, doctor Leevy, what the statements just
Speaker 2: made about problems with the nose and mouth as far
Speaker 2: as promoting ill health in US. So, if you don't mind,
Speaker 2: the conversation about root canal has been a topic that
Speaker 2: I remember when I was a young man, people said, oh, Joshua,
Speaker 2: go take a hike. Don't talk to me about that.
Speaker 2: You just have You're just you're an airhead at best,
Speaker 2: really criminal, but their head at best. And so doctor
Speaker 2: Leevy at this point, since not only do we have
Speaker 2: problems with root canal, but the new technology of implanting
Speaker 2: teeth drilling into the jaw. Can you please talk about
Speaker 2: root canal and the problems associated with root canal that
Speaker 2: you have been studying for at least forty years and
Speaker 2: probably closer to fifty years.
Speaker 3: Well, let me start by making a very dramatic mold
Speaker 3: and I feel as completely scientifically validated statement, which is,
Speaker 3: one or more root canal teeth in someone's mouth represents
Speaker 3: the primary reason for them to either have a heart
Speaker 3: attack or get breast cancer.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that is as.
Speaker 3: Clear cutting, straightforward as I can make it. All heart
Speaker 3: disease in the carinary arteries. You actually find colonization of
Speaker 3: pathogens in the mouth growing inside the blood vessel of
Speaker 3: the carinary artery, which causes an immune response to try
Speaker 3: to get rid of it, and that immune response causes
Speaker 3: a proliferation called atheroma that ultimately blocks it off. But
Speaker 3: when you clean out the mouth and get the nutrients
Speaker 3: and antioxidants up and I'm a cardiologist, incidentally, the board
Speaker 3: certified cardiologist atheroscrosis not only stops evolving, it resolves the
Speaker 3: same teeth you chew on them. You express limph into
Speaker 3: the system and they drain into the breasts and that
Speaker 3: the primary cause of breast the seats. Why because one
Speaker 3: percent of root canal treated teeth are chronically infected and
Speaker 3: have most of the time of detectable abscess at the
Speaker 3: root tips. Other times the abscess is less apparent, but
Speaker 3: the tooth is always infected because you rout it out
Speaker 3: the nerve and pulp supply of the tooth. You cored
Speaker 3: out a physiology. You took out the connective tissue, the
Speaker 3: blood vessels, the nerves, and the immune cells. Filled that
Speaker 3: hollow thing with a filling, and that's your root canal. Well,
Speaker 3: once you do that, the tooth is not only always infected,
Speaker 3: but it can't deal with anything else coming in new
Speaker 3: and you always developed these abscessies. The problem is the
Speaker 3: only reason the root canal is done is for pain.
Speaker 3: Somebody gets an acute infection and it really hurts. So
Speaker 3: what does the deist do the end of DNAs, They
Speaker 3: go in and they rout out the tooth temporarily drained
Speaker 3: the abscess, but in routing out the tooth they cut
Speaker 3: all the nerves. So they eliminate the pain of the infection,
Speaker 3: but they don't eliminate the infection. So this has been
Speaker 3: well established long before my time by Western Price in
Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties. I mean he took root canal treaty
Speaker 3: teeth from patients that had different illnesses heart disease, neurologic diseases,
Speaker 3: kidney disease, and you know this might sound a little cruel,
Speaker 3: or whateverbody had rabbits and he would take an extracted
Speaker 3: root canal treaty toth, you tuck it underneath the skin
Speaker 3: of the rabbit, and the rabbit would in a few
Speaker 3: days die of the same disease that the person had.
Speaker 3: Not only that, he would take that same root canal
Speaker 3: treated tooth and tuck it under the skin of thirty
Speaker 3: or forty consecutive rabbits, and it still had enough potency
Speaker 3: to kill all of them. So these toxins are enormously potent,
Speaker 3: and they're especially potent because what also happens at a
Speaker 3: root canal is you have eliminated the oxygen. A lot
Speaker 3: of the microorganisms and low grade pathogens in your mouth
Speaker 3: become phenomenally toxic when you put them in an oxygen
Speaker 3: deprived or completely oxygen depleted environment. Anaerobic so anaerobic metabolism
Speaker 3: makes these pathages explode with toxicity like botulism. That's what
Speaker 3: happens with botulism. And in fact, the toxins that doctor
Speaker 3: Hal Huggins and doctor BOYD Haley looked at some forty
Speaker 3: years ago more or more all contained high tox Since that,
Speaker 3: we're far more toxic than batualism, which traditional mainstream medicine
Speaker 3: right now considers to be our most toxic substance.
Speaker 2: Our guest is doctor Thomas Levy. Doctor Levy is an MD,
Speaker 2: has been doing this for many many years on wellness
Speaker 2: and is really an important figure. Doctor Leevy. These ideas
Speaker 2: about root canal, which I have been reading about since
Speaker 2: I guess the seventies, and people were very dismissive. Then
Speaker 2: is this considered now the information you're offering now, are
Speaker 2: more and more people realizing, oh yeah, this is a
Speaker 2: problem or they still say no, doctor Levy, we're not
Speaker 2: listening to you. Further, not only they're not listening to you,
Speaker 2: but now they're drilling holes in our jaw to stick in.
Speaker 4: Teeth.
Speaker 2: And again, we all want to look good cosmetically. I mean,
Speaker 2: I get it, except that you know, we're not statues
Speaker 2: where real people. You know, we need blood supply. So
Speaker 2: is the problem worse now or is it better?
Speaker 3: It is better, okay. I mean we're not close to
Speaker 3: reaching the significant majority of doctors and dentists because it's
Speaker 3: sort of a collaborative effort, if you will, uh to
Speaker 3: realize the impact of infections and dental toxins on general health.
Speaker 3: But we have a number of organizations that have now
Speaker 3: come up over the past few decades, the iao MT
Speaker 3: International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology, the IABDM, the
Speaker 3: International Academy of Biological Dentistry and Medicine. Another group that
Speaker 3: are going to be talking to an Argentina in a
Speaker 3: couple months called Biominds and strictly talks about getting doctors
Speaker 3: and dentists together so that they realize dentistry is not
Speaker 3: something separated from the body. I mean they they should
Speaker 3: put dentistry in the medical school and the dentists should
Speaker 3: be a special in dental medicine. That's what we useduld
Speaker 3: be doing. But it's not intended to be an insult,
Speaker 3: but an accurate statement is that the traditional mainstream denis
Speaker 3: is a pure mechanic. Pure mechanic, I mean there's no
Speaker 3: consideration of biological impact or infectivity or reactivity to different medals.
Speaker 3: For a long time, doctor Huggins had a test that
Speaker 3: was designed to see the reactivity that you had all
Speaker 3: the different metals that they put in different compounds, and
Speaker 3: you were able to select things that were least reactive
Speaker 3: with your immune system. So all of those things come
Speaker 3: into play. But it is changing, and you combine this
Speaker 3: little political here as I like to say, there's more
Speaker 3: politics in medicine than.
Speaker 2: There is in politics.
Speaker 3: The pandemic changed so much in terms I believe of
Speaker 3: public perception of the type of healthcare people were getting,
Speaker 3: the type of attitude that their doctors had. I mean,
Speaker 3: we had so many situations where it was clear the physicians,
Speaker 3: some of them were being coerced. Some of them were
Speaker 3: being coerced to pursue treatments that not only were not good,
Speaker 3: but they were bad for the patient, but they generated
Speaker 3: money for them in the hospitals. And that really has
Speaker 3: a lot more people, especially today with our Internet and
Speaker 3: our artificial intelligence, people can get information just like that.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's always correct information, but you can
Speaker 3: get lots of different sources of information. And ultimately that's
Speaker 3: always my message to people is you have to be
Speaker 3: your greatest health guardian health for your health consumption. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you just pick a doctor or dentist out of
Speaker 3: the book and just put your warm body there for
Speaker 3: them to do whatever they want, odds are you're not
Speaker 3: going to do well. I say one thing frequently to
Speaker 3: both the dentists and the doctors that I talked to,
Speaker 3: and I say that the single worst thing you can
Speaker 3: do for your long term health is to see and
Speaker 3: utilize a traditional mainstream dentist. But the single best thing
Speaker 3: you could do for your long term health is to
Speaker 3: see and utilize the surfaces of a well trained biological bist.
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree with that great information from doctor Thomas Levy.
Speaker 2: Doctor Levy is a practicing physician, a former cardiologist, graduate
Speaker 2: of tul Medical School and also has his degree as
Speaker 2: a graduate attorney. And we've been discussing removing iron filings
Speaker 2: from fortified foods and also problems with a root canal
Speaker 2: which are really quite serious and can cause make it really,
Speaker 2: really sick. And that information has been around for a while.
Speaker 2: Maybe people starting to learn that. But doctor Levy, Sir,
Speaker 2: I do completely agree with you, and I'm so glad
Speaker 2: you said that The COVID nineteen pandemic. Terrible errors that
Speaker 2: were made have really changed to pursu sception of many
Speaker 2: more people than say, six or seven or eight years ago.
Speaker 2: When you were giving this information. Some people said, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: we like Tom and we agree, and most people said, now,
Speaker 2: now he's must be a wacky person. It couldn't possibly
Speaker 2: be true. So now I'm thinking that many more people
Speaker 2: understand exactly what you're saying. Not one hundred percent of
Speaker 2: the American population, but way more than five years ago.
Speaker 2: This subject actually has become almost mainstream. I'm in California,
Speaker 2: and maybe here in southern California it's kind of hit mainstream.
Speaker 2: That means, maybe I'm just guessing at this maybe sixty
Speaker 2: percent of the American population sees it the way you
Speaker 2: see it now, whereas five or six years ago, maybe
Speaker 2: it was thirty percent. And I'm making up these numbers
Speaker 2: because it was less people. But now people are really
Speaker 2: alert to these problems, and these are real problems, and
Speaker 2: maybe now they're being addressed. For those just tuning into
Speaker 2: the show, our guest is doctor Thomas Levy. Doctor Leevey's
Speaker 2: is an MD to leave at this juncture, How can
Speaker 2: listeners have here's to your health. Contact you to find
Speaker 2: out more about the books you have written, your work
Speaker 2: on vitamin C and really the fifty years of work
Speaker 2: that you have been teaching.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for asking. I never hired from the public.
Speaker 3: My personal email is available to anyone. It's my initials
Speaker 3: T E last name, lev l e v y and
Speaker 3: then m D t e l e v y m
Speaker 3: d at yahoo dot com. And my website that has
Speaker 3: a lot of information, great articles for people and also
Speaker 3: links to purchasing my books that people are interested is
Speaker 3: Tom Levi, MD dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, Actually, so let me give me say better.
Speaker 3: I have an Instagram page, ok at d R Thomas
Speaker 3: Leevy at doctor Tom d R Thomas Levy at.
Speaker 2: Okay, our guest doctor Toms leave doctor Levy, do me
Speaker 2: favor give us your email again. Just make sure I
Speaker 2: got to correct. What's your email?
Speaker 3: T E L E vasn't Victor y d at yahoo
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's t E L e v Y M
Speaker 2: D at yahoo dot com. And now what about your books,
Speaker 2: because you have some, you know, really important books on
Speaker 2: really a variety of subjects. And I'm really so thrilled
Speaker 2: that you've been writing these books for so many years.
Speaker 2: I remember after some of your books from the eighties actually, uh,
Speaker 2: and certainly remember Hal Huggins for sure and Western Price.
Speaker 2: I say, is a younger man read those books and man,
Speaker 2: they were important books and those men were really out
Speaker 2: there on their own with these ideas. So what about
Speaker 2: your books? Where can we purchase them?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Purchase them from my website tom LYVMD dot com, some
Speaker 3: of them, not all of them from Amazon. That's another
Speaker 3: story I could tell you about. And the publisher website
Speaker 3: which is med Fox pub me e d f o
Speaker 3: x pub dot com.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, and uh are you teaching? Are you going? Are
Speaker 2: you doing seminars?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: So what about if people want to hear you speak
Speaker 2: about these subjects? Where where can we hear you?
Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what. You go to any of
Speaker 3: the video websites and YouTube and all these other things.
Speaker 3: And there's really tons of videos there most of the
Speaker 3: time when I give a lecture, and probably over the
Speaker 3: last twenty five or thirty years, it's in the five
Speaker 3: hundred to one thousand range, I suppose, And many of those,
Speaker 3: with permission, of course, were recorded and then I put
Speaker 3: up on the site and lots of different subjects, but
Speaker 3: they all pivot around ultimately the cause of disease being toxins,
Speaker 3: disease being oxidative stress, and the need to eliminate toxins,
Speaker 3: eliminate toxins, kelate toxins, detoxified toxins, and bring in nutrients
Speaker 3: and nutrients and antioxidants to deal with it. So that's
Speaker 3: the ultimate treatment as it turns out, and it's even
Speaker 3: worse now with the post COVID we have many people
Speaker 3: now with persistent spike protein. This is causing an enorm
Speaker 3: and of course that's another pathogen related toxins. So remember
Speaker 3: I said pathogens are the culprit, except if you're exposed
Speaker 3: environmental toxins and accept if you're exposed to a lot
Speaker 3: of heavy metals. Everything else is coming from pathogens and
Speaker 3: their metabolism. And this persistent spike protein is continuing to
Speaker 3: devastate people across the planet now affecting hundreds of millions
Speaker 3: of people, probably thirty to forty million people in the
Speaker 3: United States. But we do have some treatments for it
Speaker 3: that have been quite successful in resolving it at a
Speaker 3: high percentage level, and those are available at the reared
Speaker 3: and clinic in which you talk Kansas.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's fantastic. Well, a great interview. Our guest has
Speaker 2: been doctor Thomas Levy. Doctor Levy's an MD, practicing cardiologis
Speaker 2: many years ago, also a graduate attorney and Doctor Levy
Speaker 2: also is a member of the board of Governors of
Speaker 2: the National Health Federation, organization that I'm very happy to
Speaker 2: be part of. They did some really great work and
Speaker 2: we had a great interview today with doctor Thomas Levy.
Speaker 2: We're going to invite them back to the show again.
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Speaker 2: And Scott is most of the time based in Europe
Speaker 2: where he goes to Codex meetings which help protect not
Speaker 2: just the health of the American public, but the health
Speaker 2: of the public worldwide because so many nations work together
Speaker 2: now as far as passing up information, I'll use the
Speaker 2: word codes for health of consumers worldwide. Scott Tips, welcome
Speaker 2: to the show.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Josh, and it's a pleasure to be back on.
Speaker 2: No thanks, I'm really happy to have you on the show.
Speaker 2: I always enjoy when you discussed with these important ideas
Speaker 2: about really kind of the legislative approach to ideas, which
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't realize really how complex the
Speaker 2: subject this is. Now, you just recently were in Geneva
Speaker 2: in just you know, in July this month working on
Speaker 2: some important new ideas. So what happened at the most
Speaker 2: recent Codex meeting that you participated in with other members
Speaker 2: of the National Health Federation as well.
Speaker 5: Well, It's kind of funny, Josh, because these Codex meetings
Speaker 5: are a lot like or you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: board of nothing happening, just sort of dry detail, and
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden there's a lot of excitement,
Speaker 5: a lot of arguments, a lot of debate, a lot
Speaker 5: of contention, and then that dies away and then it's
Speaker 5: dull again. So this meeting was kind of like that.
Speaker 5: It's a week long meeting, it's in a big conference
Speaker 5: hall in Geneva, Switzerland, and probably there were I didn't
Speaker 5: get an accurate count, but I'd say about three hundred
Speaker 5: delegates there total. And n HF, the National Health Federation
Speaker 5: of which I'm the president and the head delegate, was
Speaker 5: one of those delegations there. So we're permitted to participate
Speaker 5: actively in these meetings and to discuss our viewpoint and
Speaker 5: to criticize other viewpoints. Although they're kind of funny that way,
Speaker 5: you can't criticize too much. It's deemed to be rude,
Speaker 5: no matter how weird the other viewpoint might be. So
Speaker 5: at this meeting, there were a number of things that
Speaker 5: came up, and one of them, actually that turned out
Speaker 5: to be a surprise contentious issue was what happens with
Speaker 5: food labels during an emergency. Well, the industry, represented there
Speaker 5: by front groups and infiltrators in the country delegations, they
Speaker 5: want a special exemption in the time of emergencies. What
Speaker 5: that means is they don't have to put all the
Speaker 5: essential information on the food label if it's being used
Speaker 5: in an emergency situation, which sounds kind of okay, right,
Speaker 5: except for one thing. So you would think during an
Speaker 5: emergency that people want to rush the product to the
Speaker 5: site of the emergency as soon as possible. But what
Speaker 5: the industry wants to do is, oh, wait, we're going
Speaker 5: to design these labels first, they're going to have less information.
Speaker 5: We're going to slap them on the product. Oh, and
Speaker 5: then we'll rush them to the emergency location. That's their
Speaker 5: idea of dealing with an emergency. So we were pointing
Speaker 5: this out and saying NHF was saying, you know, if
Speaker 5: you have time to print a new label before slapping
Speaker 5: it on a product and shipping it out for an emergency,
Speaker 5: it's not an emergency. And also the other problem is,
Speaker 5: you know, this is just a convenient excuse. Emergencies are
Speaker 5: always convenient excuse for shafting the consumer or the voter,
Speaker 5: whatever it may be, whomever it may be, and so
Speaker 5: this is an instance where they'll use the excuse, Oh,
Speaker 5: it's an emergency. They have an outbreak of mumbo jumbo
Speaker 5: disease in the congo. So we're going to delude all
Speaker 5: these people into thinking they're getting a great product when
Speaker 5: the label doesn't tell them what's actually in the product.
Speaker 5: So it's just a big scam. And yet, unfortunately, now
Speaker 5: and keep in mind, this is a proposal for new work.
Speaker 5: It's nowhere near being accomplished. But what will happen is
Speaker 5: it will be accomplished eventually because Codex has never met
Speaker 5: a standard that it didn't like. And what that means
Speaker 5: is you could have the worst possible standard in the
Speaker 5: world like the one they did for maximum upper permitted
Speaker 5: levels for vitamins and minerals, which was a joke, right,
Speaker 5: you know, and they still want it to be accepted.
Speaker 5: So this is the problem that was part of what
Speaker 5: was discussed there. I don't know if you want me
Speaker 5: to go on.
Speaker 2: Well, for those that tuning into the show, our guest
Speaker 2: is Scott Tips. Scott Tips is the president of the
Speaker 2: National Health Federation. The National Health Federation found that in
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five, is America's oldest consumer protection association and
Speaker 2: also involved with protecting consumers around the world. Scott, you
Speaker 2: mentioned that you at the National Health Federation you have
Speaker 2: voting rights. I think that you are the only consumer
Speaker 2: organization actually has voting rights. Other than you, it's all
Speaker 2: the countries of the world. Am I correct in saying that?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: I wish we did have voting rights, but we don't.
Speaker 5: Had we had voting rights, we could have stopped Practope.
Speaker 5: I mean about ten years ago when it won by
Speaker 5: one vote. But no, they don't allow I, nngos or
Speaker 5: even NGOs to have voting rights. But what we have
Speaker 5: is just as important sense because they only vote on
Speaker 5: a few issues. Generally they advance the standards and the
Speaker 5: guidelines and the codes of practice by a process they
Speaker 5: call consensus, which is basically the chairman or the chairwoman
Speaker 5: looking around the room saying how many people spoke out
Speaker 5: against a standard, how many people spoke in favor of
Speaker 5: a standard, and they kind of weigh everything in the balance,
Speaker 5: and then they make a mental calculation and decide, oh,
Speaker 5: we have consensus for moving forward. Well, even though NHF
Speaker 5: cannot vote, if you speak out a lot, you add
Speaker 5: to the noise in favor or against a standard. So
Speaker 5: in a sense you are voting because the sort of
Speaker 5: the general cacophony of noise is added to. And we're
Speaker 5: very vocal at these meetings. We speak out a lot.
Speaker 5: This most recent meeting we didn't speak out as much.
Speaker 5: There wasn't as much to speak out on. But when
Speaker 5: you combined our conference room documents that it's our written
Speaker 5: submissions along with what we usually speak out on, we're
Speaker 5: really punching above our weight at these meetings.
Speaker 2: And Scott may ask, since you have been now, you've
Speaker 2: been involved with the National Health Federation for is it
Speaker 2: what nineteen years now?
Speaker 5: It's been forty years this year.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, forty years but you've been to president for
Speaker 2: nineteen years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, nineteen and a half years.
Speaker 2: Right, So as a very young man, because you were
Speaker 2: a graduate attorney right right out you got of law school,
Speaker 2: so you kind of got involved pretty quickly after you
Speaker 2: got out of law.
Speaker 5: School, about six years. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Scott, so now that you and I are both
Speaker 2: really older men. Now, now that we're older men, would
Speaker 2: you say that, indeed, that the national health iteration and
Speaker 2: the whole idea of food as a healing tool is
Speaker 2: no longer dismissed the way it was when you were
Speaker 2: a much younger man.
Speaker 4: Is there?
Speaker 2: Do we have more stature?
Speaker 5: I would say yes, and certainly more adherents. There are
Speaker 5: more people out there following our health regimen and that
Speaker 5: sort of thing. So yeah, I definitely think we have
Speaker 5: the big problem though. It's the health food stores of
Speaker 5: olden days are mostly gone. You know, the true believers
Speaker 5: who belive in your right to health freedom, believed in
Speaker 5: the products and all that. They've largely been supplanted now
Speaker 5: by the corporate suits who they could be selling shopping
Speaker 5: carts for all they care. True, Yes, so that's the
Speaker 5: big change, and they're more likely to be have that
Speaker 5: corporate mentality that they don't want to do anything to
Speaker 5: alarm the government, so they aren't going to take chances
Speaker 5: risking their revenue stream by bringing out some sort of
Speaker 5: fantastic product that might heal everyone. But boy raised the
Speaker 5: ire of the FDA and big farm men doing so
Speaker 5: right well.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Scott Tips, and Scott Tips is the
Speaker 2: president of the National Health Federation, and the National Health Federation,
Speaker 2: founded in nineteen fifty five, is America's oldest consumer protection
Speaker 2: organization and actually protects consumers around the world. And Scott
Speaker 2: is regularly in Europe at Codex meetings, which are meetings
Speaker 2: in which I guess, I don't know. Do all the
Speaker 2: countries in the world participate in these meetings, Scott, when you're.
Speaker 5: There, pretty much they pick and choose their committees, just
Speaker 5: like we do. For instance, we don't go to the
Speaker 5: Import Export Committee hosted by the Australian government because there's
Speaker 5: nothing in there for us to weren't spending that kind
Speaker 5: of money to get to Australia to attend a meeting
Speaker 5: and all of that. So we pick and choose, and
Speaker 5: a lot of other countries, especially the poorer countries, do
Speaker 5: the same thing. But the US, the EU, Canada, Australia,
Speaker 5: they pretty much go to every committee meeting and Scott.
Speaker 2: One thing I always like to mention in these conversations
Speaker 2: is I guess it was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Now you at the with the National Health Federation at
Speaker 2: these Codex meetings were able to reduce the amount of aluminum. Aluminum,
Speaker 2: which is as you point out, I didn't even know
Speaker 2: this aluminum is not naturally occurring. Aluminum was actually Boux site.
Speaker 2: It's got to be refined into making aluminum. But they
Speaker 2: were using a lot of aluminum in food products and
Speaker 2: we Americans, and I guess you're as well, we ended
Speaker 2: up getting toxic amounts or shouldn't say toxic ammounts, but
Speaker 2: we're getting way too much aluminum that really was not
Speaker 2: good for us. Can you please just repeat that because
Speaker 2: people are so shocked to hear that, because they think,
Speaker 2: hell sometimes they think health.
Speaker 4: Foods are you guys?
Speaker 2: You just guys like to you know, grow your hair
Speaker 2: along and you know, dance around in fields. They have
Speaker 2: no idea actually what's really going on. Because the mainstream
Speaker 2: media manages to make us look dopey. They try to
Speaker 2: make us look ridiculous, And so what was it about
Speaker 2: aluminum that was like so shockingly bad, but that the
Speaker 2: National Health Federation under europe auspices was able to reduce
Speaker 2: to help us.
Speaker 5: Well, you explain the situation so incredibly well, Joshua. I
Speaker 5: don't know how much I have to add to it,
Speaker 5: but having said that, I'll do my best, which is
Speaker 5: at the Codex Committee on Food Additives, one of the
Speaker 5: topics that came up for discussion in two thousand and
Speaker 5: eight was aluminum in spices, herbs, free flowing food products
Speaker 5: because aluminum, because it's so slick, it makes a good
Speaker 5: food flow additive. You know, when they have machines and
Speaker 5: like that are mixing batters and mixing different powders together,
Speaker 5: the aluminum helps it all flow. Well, a lot of
Speaker 5: people don't know that in their salt and pepper, especially
Speaker 5: the pepper, there was aluminum. So we were one of
Speaker 5: the first, if not the first, to object to this practice.
Speaker 5: And I still remember years later now that the food
Speaker 5: industry representative, the Beverages and Grocers Association, but they complained,
Speaker 5: they said, oh, without aluminum in our food as a
Speaker 5: free flow agent, the equipment will catch fire. And burn.
Speaker 5: So my response to that was, you have a ton
Speaker 5: of engineers on your payroll, pay them to fix the
Speaker 5: problem so it doesn't start a fire and burn just
Speaker 5: because you aren't using aluminum anyway. Joined it at the
Speaker 5: hip in opposing this was the European Union, and together
Speaker 5: we were able to get removed fifty percent of the
Speaker 5: products that we eliminated the aluminum and the other fifty
Speaker 5: percent we got about fifty percent reduction and aluminum content.
Speaker 5: And that was a big thing in those days because
Speaker 5: it was really hard to go up against the industry.
Speaker 5: It's really hard to go up against a standard that
Speaker 5: was well on its way to being passed, and yet
Speaker 5: we were able to do it and we won. This
Speaker 5: was in our Chinese meetings, so these were not cheap
Speaker 5: trips to take. We had to fly over to China
Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, two thousand and ten, twelve, and
Speaker 5: then I think fourteen until we finally won.
Speaker 2: So really, the National Health Federation was an religious position
Speaker 2: to really reduce the amount of aluminium foods, which I
Speaker 2: think everyone agrees with is like, okay, that was really
Speaker 2: a great thing, But I don't remember reading about that
Speaker 2: in national press here in America. I don't think it
Speaker 2: got any kind of coverage because I pay attention to
Speaker 2: food issues and I never remember seeing it, you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen or twenty years ago. I don't remember any kind
Speaker 2: of conversation. So again, as far as you know, it
Speaker 2: received no coverage in the mainstream media.
Speaker 5: I didn't see any either, but there must have been
Speaker 5: something like in an industry journal or something. The funny
Speaker 5: thing is that even though we have the European Union
Speaker 5: to thank for its support in doing this, a lot
Speaker 5: of times these countries are in this case a region,
Speaker 5: they're really kind of reluctant to attack strongly another delegation,
Speaker 5: so that leaves it for me to do that dirty
Speaker 5: work to make them look bad and rub their noses
Speaker 5: in the nonsense of what they're speaking about. And this
Speaker 5: is what happened at the recent meeting too, because when
Speaker 5: we were discussing the emergency label changes in the Canadian
Speaker 5: delegate I can't even pronounce his name, but he spoke
Speaker 5: up and he threw all these platitudes and buzzwords at
Speaker 5: the assembly. He said, oh, we have capacity building that'll
Speaker 5: take care of the problem, and this and that. He
Speaker 5: just used a bunch of nonsense words that made a
Speaker 5: politician look like a great order. He was so bad
Speaker 5: and it's just like a joke. I almost laughed out
Speaker 5: loud because I couldn't believe what I was hearing. But
Speaker 5: you know, if capacity building was the answer to the
Speaker 5: many innate problems with emergency labeling guidelines, you know we
Speaker 5: would use it. But we couldn't. It's not a capacity
Speaker 5: building is like adding more people on the team, that
Speaker 5: sort of thing, educating existing people that does nothing to
Speaker 5: help the consumer at a consumer level, who's purchasing or
Speaker 5: being given this product? And there's no information on the label.
Speaker 5: What in the heck does capacity building have to do
Speaker 5: with that? Nothing? So his answer was a bunch of
Speaker 5: gobbledy coop.
Speaker 2: Actually, if I can jump in, I'll guess the Scott
Speaker 2: Tips the president of the National Health Federation, and I
Speaker 2: want to say this. In preparation for Scott's interview, I
Speaker 2: went to the website National Federation and I read about
Speaker 2: Scott's information about his latest trip to Geneva, Switzerland, just
Speaker 2: really just you know, a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 2: when I saw the term capacity building, I thought to myself,
Speaker 2: now that is a great bureaucratic term. I had never
Speaker 2: in a million year I never heard it before. I
Speaker 2: have no idea what it means, but it does really
Speaker 2: sound authoritative. But it's just hilarious, Scott, when when you
Speaker 2: keep saying capacity building, because you do point out the
Speaker 2: absurdity of it, it seems to not address any issue whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It's really did the other delicate smirk? I mean, what
Speaker 2: were what were the other men and women thinking.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a really good question. I don't know what
Speaker 5: they were thinking. No one spoke up but the Three
Speaker 5: Breast Milk Consumer Organization, women and me and the National
Speaker 5: Health Federation, so we were the only ones to really
Speaker 5: speak out. Oh I'm sorry, I'm sliding. The World Health
Speaker 5: Organization Codex science officer, she was quite good and she
Speaker 5: actually gave some of the best arguments against it. So
Speaker 5: there was her, and I can't believe the chairman just
Speaker 5: ignored her comments in favor of this word salad nonsense.
Speaker 2: Right, funny. I had to laugh. It's just just funny.
Speaker 2: Capacity building. I'm going to be using that term a
Speaker 2: lot now because I just love as a nonsense term.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is, It's like one of their favorite terms
Speaker 5: now at codex is capacity building and robust. There was
Speaker 5: a robust study. There was a robust UH report that
Speaker 5: was given to us. It was a robust this robust
Speaker 5: that if I had a nickel for every time they
Speaker 5: mentioned that word, I'd be filthy rich.
Speaker 2: It's actly pretty. For those tuning into the show, our
Speaker 2: guest is Scott Tips, and Scott Tips is the president
Speaker 2: of the National Health Federation, America's oldest consumer organization in
Speaker 2: practice in business since nineteen fifty five, doing great work
Speaker 2: back in the sixties that helped protect the chiropractic profession, homeopathy,
Speaker 2: I mean, you name it, and they were there. Things
Speaker 2: we take for granted now as being like, well that's
Speaker 2: not a big deal. Well it was a big deal
Speaker 2: at one time when those organizations were slammed, Like the
Speaker 2: chiropractice were kicked around worse than kicked around. I'm being
Speaker 2: kind or maybe foolish they are saying that way. When
Speaker 2: the chiropractice were treated badly by the medical profession and
Speaker 2: got away with it for a long time until finally
Speaker 2: it had to stop. They couldn't get away with it
Speaker 2: any longer. Same thing with homeopathy. So a lot of
Speaker 2: important things that we Americans take for granted. Now we
Speaker 2: only have these rights because the National Health Federation has
Speaker 2: stood up for us. So I'm really proud. When Scott's
Speaker 2: on the show, Scott's just juncture. How can listeners, if
Speaker 2: here's to your health, contact you directly at the National
Speaker 2: Health Federation, learn more about the important work of the
Speaker 2: National Health Federation and maybe sign on as members.
Speaker 5: Well, if you mean by that the National Health Federation,
Speaker 5: then they just go to our website and click on
Speaker 5: become a member and then just fill out the forum
Speaker 5: and send in the money and that's it. And then
Speaker 5: there's also a donation button, which we'd really appreciate as well,
Speaker 5: because you know, I just did my expense report for
Speaker 5: going to the Geneva meeting. Geneva Switzerland's really expensive to
Speaker 5: be at. Food and hotel, lodging, it's incredible, even Airbnb,
Speaker 5: it's outrageous. So we really could would appreciate that. Now,
Speaker 5: if you mean by that my personal email address, I
Speaker 5: guess I could give that as well.
Speaker 2: Sure, whatever, whatever whatever you feels the best contact of nation,
Speaker 2: please Scott give it to us.
Speaker 5: Well, you can write me at stars end twenty four
Speaker 5: at gmail dot com. Now, so a little science fiction
Speaker 5: at stars D S T A R S E n
Speaker 5: D the number twenty four because I couldn't just get
Speaker 5: stars in okay, number twenty four at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: All right, and again, you are the president of the
Speaker 2: National Health Federation. Been president now nineteen years and they've
Speaker 2: been around National Health Federation since nineteen fifty five, doing
Speaker 2: great work. And again, so what's the email address for
Speaker 2: the National Health Federation.
Speaker 5: Probably the best one is contact hyphen us at the
Speaker 5: T E NHF dot com. So contact hyphen us us
Speaker 5: at the NHF dot com.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. Our guest has been Scott
Speaker 2: Tips almost always very proud men. Scott's on the show,
Speaker 2: and Scott Tips, the President of the National Health Federation,
Speaker 2: is a regular contributor to Here's to Your Health, offering
Speaker 2: us really important information kind of from a legislative approach,
Speaker 2: which is something that most of us really kind of
Speaker 2: never think about. We mostly thinking, well, I be eating
Speaker 2: more beats, I beating more carrots. Should I take more
Speaker 2: vitamin C? That's what we kind of focus on. I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to minimize we as consumers, but really we
Speaker 2: have an organization, the National Health Federation that's looking out
Speaker 2: for our interest as consumers and we need that. The
Speaker 2: National Health Federation. This is Josh Laane. You're listening to.
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