Speaker 1: Weird thing happened in.
Speaker 2: The weird weird weird.
Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. It's been a very long few days.
Speaker 1: We are very uh caffeine pumped, caffeine fueled. Yeah, on
Speaker 1: a very tight schedule.
Speaker 3: And guys just shot espresso downstairs, like literally right before this.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, well, just just to get this out of
Speaker 1: the way, I have to say this part. I'm texting
Speaker 1: Brad and he's like, you know, I'm gonna need a
Speaker 1: strong coffee in the morning, all right, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. Okay, this is my kind of dude comes around,
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, can we go get a.
Speaker 3: Strong cup of coffee?
Speaker 1: It's just been coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee. So I'm on fumes.
Speaker 1: But we have a very special guest with us today,
Speaker 1: our friend Brad Peyton from Los Angeles, who.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I still claim to be a Canadian
Speaker 3: because I was born and raised there, but for today
Speaker 3: I'm from Los Angeles. Yeah, okay, tomorrow you're from Canadia. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: Are you on fumes too? It's hard to be on
Speaker 3: fumes when you're excited, is what I find. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: like there's definitely been some lulls. Like at eight o'clock
Speaker 3: last night, I looked over at Peter and Peter's eyes
Speaker 3: were like starting to roll back in his head, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, you look like how I feel like it's
Speaker 3: been a pretty wild couple of days. I feel good.
Speaker 3: I feel really good. But yeah, it's pretty awesome trip.
Speaker 1: After you went home last night, we kind of like
Speaker 1: had a little talk in that living room and I
Speaker 1: was like, Dad, you know, Emily, Mom, Jenny, Jack, maybe
Speaker 1: tomorrow we don't go thirteen hours unloading. And I mean
Speaker 1: it was just all day ba B this connection, this connection.
Speaker 3: I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. I mean it's
Speaker 3: why I'm here, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 3: loved it. I I think like for me, it's just
Speaker 3: like getting new experiences, meeting new people who are so genuine.
Speaker 3: It is always fantastic and a lot of In a
Speaker 3: lot of ways, it reminded me of where I'm from,
Speaker 3: which is Newfoundland, Canada, which is very salt of the earth,
Speaker 3: very friend Like when we walked into your house and
Speaker 3: everyone was like where huggers, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 3: reminds me at home, you know, like even the like, uh,
Speaker 3: the wood interior of the of the house. I was like,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen this since I was in Newfoundland, you know,
Speaker 3: because correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't Newfoundland kind
Speaker 3: of like country, yeah, if you like? You know, so
Speaker 3: it was known as like a fisheries province until the
Speaker 3: fisheries died out, like I think in the eighties early nineties.
Speaker 3: I grew up in the central part of Newfoundland, so
Speaker 3: I didn't really have much to do with the fisheries,
Speaker 3: but like very traditional, like Saint John's the city and
Speaker 3: in Newfounland is the oldest city in North America. Oh,
Speaker 3: like John Cabot or John Cabot, howeveryone pronounce his name?
Speaker 3: He arrived at Newfoundland. There's a Viking settlement in Newfoundland.
Speaker 3: It's a very very old part of the world. And
Speaker 3: so like when people just ask me to describe it,
Speaker 3: I'm like, think of Ireland in North America and like,
Speaker 3: go listen to our accent. I don't have much of
Speaker 3: an accent. Like, my parents traveled a lot. They really
Speaker 3: tried to like educate me, like make me read books
Speaker 3: basically beyond comic books. But it was like they wanted
Speaker 3: to try to educate me to see outside of my province,
Speaker 3: because my province is quite kind of small and insular
Speaker 3: in some ways. It's an island. It's the furthest point
Speaker 3: of North America as well, so it's an island in
Speaker 3: the Atlantic. The weather's really harsh, we have really long winters.
Speaker 3: It's just a very unique existence, I would say, and
Speaker 3: it breeds a very unique culture. It's very Irish, very Scottish,
Speaker 3: very English, like very musical. Storytelling, like verbal storytelling is
Speaker 3: like one of our biggest tradition. So it was just
Speaker 3: like even in Canada, Newfoundlanders or New Fees as they
Speaker 3: kind of tallow sometimes it was derogatory before. But I
Speaker 3: think people I didn't say it wasn't I'm allowed to
Speaker 3: say it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, it
Speaker 3: was like it was. It's sort of like when I
Speaker 3: was growing up, if someone called you a new fee,
Speaker 3: it meant like they're treating you like you're stupid. It's
Speaker 3: like it's like your redneck. Yeah, it's kind of like that.
Speaker 3: It is like that's what I At a certain point
Speaker 3: you kind of like just own it. It's like, you
Speaker 3: know what, yeah, yeah, a new fee. I mean I
Speaker 3: didn't say that, we make you a new fee. It's
Speaker 3: very easy. I would love to be an honorary new fee.
Speaker 3: What do I have to do? You have to uh, well,
Speaker 3: we would screech you in is what it's called. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's that actual process. Yeah, it's an initiation. It's like
Speaker 3: jumping in, like the most lovely jumping in. We get
Speaker 3: you drunk. We forced you to kiss a cod fish
Speaker 3: on the lips. Sound awesome, and then I think you're
Speaker 3: a news. There might be some other stuff, but the
Speaker 3: main thing is drinking. So we have screech is a
Speaker 3: is a is a rum that comes from came from
Speaker 3: the Caribbean because they would come up and when they
Speaker 3: would trade the rum for the fish. Yeah, so like
Speaker 3: rum is a huge part of our culture. And screech
Speaker 3: is a Newfoundland rum that came from the Caribbean. So
Speaker 3: they would screech you in is what it's called. Screeches
Speaker 3: the name of the rum. It's terrible. It tastes terrible,
Speaker 3: but we'll make you drink it. Yeah, and so we'll
Speaker 3: drink the more nicer stuff. But it's like, yeah, they
Speaker 3: screech you in, they make you kiss a fish, and
Speaker 3: they go, ah, you're and then everyone just cheers and
Speaker 3: and and you get wasted with everybody.
Speaker 4: That sounds awesome. It's sound like a very unique place. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I've never heard of anything.
Speaker 1: It's like Kentucky of Canada.
Speaker 3: Right, That's what I said, because it was just like
Speaker 3: so like, you know, we were traditionally we were like uneducated,
Speaker 3: you know, because what it was is like you had
Speaker 3: to work for your family to survive. So dads would
Speaker 3: like take their sons out and they'd become fishermen at
Speaker 3: like twelve. You're not reading books, you're not learning shit.
Speaker 3: You're like, I have to feed my family. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a very little point of that, you know, traditionally speaking.
Speaker 3: It's very different now, but like I felt like when
Speaker 3: I was a kid, we were coming out of that,
Speaker 3: like we were shifting to Well, first of all, let
Speaker 3: me contacts. Newfoundland didn't join Canada until nineteen fifty. Oh wow,
Speaker 3: we were the last province to join Canada. So like
Speaker 3: when I was growing up, my grandparents' house had a
Speaker 3: portrait of the Queen in their living room. Wow, Queen
Speaker 3: of England. Yeah, they were basically a British colony until
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty. So it was just it's just it's hard
Speaker 3: for me to explore. I'm living in la now in
Speaker 3: the film industry. If I've run into someone who knows
Speaker 3: about Newfoundland, I'm shocked. Come from Away, change that a
Speaker 3: little bit. The Broadway musical that's about the town I
Speaker 3: grew up in, Gander, Come from Away, Come from Away,
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. All the planes had to land in
Speaker 3: a small town called Gander, Newfoundland, which is where I
Speaker 3: was born and raised, And they made a Broadway musical
Speaker 3: about it, about how nice everybody was because they took
Speaker 3: in like that, like ten thousand people overnight. Because all
Speaker 3: those jetliners had to land, they had to move them
Speaker 3: every day. They were so heavy, and the runway wasn't
Speaker 3: built for it. They would sink into the cement on
Speaker 3: the runway because it wasn't built for these massive jets.
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know anything about this though, that
Speaker 4: yeah planes, Emily said it's great, and and oh my god,
Speaker 4: I kind of heard a little bit.
Speaker 3: You were talking about this with Emily yesterday. But didn't
Speaker 3: you get arrested by I almost got arrested, Okay, but
Speaker 3: I would never get caught, my friend.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I even listening full Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just kind of heard you.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so Oz Fudge the cop in that in
Speaker 3: that in that play, Yeah, I was like, I was,
Speaker 3: as you might underage drink when you're like fourteen or
Speaker 3: fifteen or whatever, like, and so the cop came up
Speaker 3: and I just went through the bottle of wood. So
Speaker 3: what are you kids doing? No? You know?
Speaker 1: So is that the guy who was portrayed in the play,
Speaker 1: the real guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh cool? Yeah, So like when I was watching
Speaker 3: the play, I was like, I know that guy trest enemy.
Speaker 3: I did not like him. They're making him look really fun.
Speaker 3: Was his name right? Yeah? No, That's how I knew
Speaker 3: because I recognize all the Oz Fudge man Oz Fudge
Speaker 3: Fudge No. Yeah, And I'm like, how can I get
Speaker 3: arrested by someone named Oscar.
Speaker 1: And my grandmother gave you fudge this morning?
Speaker 3: That's true, It's true. It sounds like a Willy Walker character.
Speaker 3: Oz Fudge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's intense.
Speaker 3: It was an interesting It was just it's just like
Speaker 3: an interesting, very unique place to grow up. I don't
Speaker 3: take it for granted whatsoever.
Speaker 4: It sounds awesome in a in a very like charming,
Speaker 4: unique like culture way. It's like a convergence a ton
Speaker 4: of different culture, I would not be the.
Speaker 3: Way I am. I would not have the point of
Speaker 3: view I have. I would not if I didn't wasn't
Speaker 3: raised there and didn't grow up the way I grew up,
Speaker 3: I just would not be the person I am, and
Speaker 3: which is an incredibly naive, small town person at my core.
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing, dude, that's really cool. I really do
Speaker 1: appreciate that quality about you. Like in all of our communication,
Speaker 1: you've been very upfront about your intentions, and like the
Speaker 1: first time we talk on the phone, You're like, I'd
Speaker 1: like to think I'm a good person. And that's stuck
Speaker 1: with me. You saying that. The more I get to
Speaker 1: know you on a personal level, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to think you're a good person too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like you can just for me.
Speaker 3: It's like oftentimes you're surrounded by people that are greedy
Speaker 3: or you're industry self serving, you know, like it's just
Speaker 3: it is. I get it. Like I moved to a
Speaker 3: number of cities where people are trying to make it
Speaker 3: and sometimes they sacrifice some of their humanity or some
Speaker 3: of their kindness or some of and I have done
Speaker 3: that along the way. Too, but I've always tried to
Speaker 3: stay conscientious of it, to like go this is very
Speaker 3: important to me, to remain a certain way and to
Speaker 3: not sacrifice certain things. And it's very hard because people
Speaker 3: are very tricky, and sometimes you get roped in with
Speaker 3: people you aren't you don't have the best intentions for you,
Speaker 3: because everyone's out for themselves on some level. And I
Speaker 3: get that, but I've really, specially in the last couple
Speaker 3: of years, really focused in on, like I don't want
Speaker 3: to lose that part of me, Like that's my intuition,
Speaker 3: is my kind of superpower as a filmmaker, I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not really like a book top. I'm a self
Speaker 3: taught filmmaker. I went to film schools, but I dropped
Speaker 3: out of all of them, you know, so after like
Speaker 3: a semester, I didn't stick around long, you know. And
Speaker 3: so I've had to like find my own way as
Speaker 3: a filmmaker. And I've watched a lot of people become
Speaker 3: less successful to me and much more successful to me.
Speaker 3: And I've also been able to see the price they
Speaker 3: pay for some of that success. And a lot of
Speaker 3: the people I've seen who are really successful are just
Speaker 3: not healthy or happy. Or like they've sacrificed humanity. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they've sacrificed things in a way. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to like paint like a negative picture, but it's like
Speaker 3: some people have flourished and they're they have loads of
Speaker 3: human and they give back all the time and they're
Speaker 3: great people too, you know. So just when you're attuned
Speaker 3: to that, I think, and part of an instinct is
Speaker 3: a big thing for you. You have to kind of keep
Speaker 3: your humanity in and make sure you don't lose it,
Speaker 3: you know, because you can very very easily.
Speaker 1: I do feel that for you, Like I feel that
Speaker 1: very genuine aura right from you, you know, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate about I appreciate that about you. Let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about like how you got in the industry.
Speaker 1: I want to know more about like how you got
Speaker 1: into Hollywood. How did you start making movies?
Speaker 3: Just kind of generally, yeah, I mean, well, how did
Speaker 3: I start making movies? I okay, so I didn't have
Speaker 3: access to like cameras, Like I grew up in a
Speaker 3: small town at that point, there were like people didn't
Speaker 3: have video cameras or that I knew one person with
Speaker 3: a video camera, and so what I when I set
Speaker 3: out to start to become a filmmaker. I was like,
Speaker 3: I need to read everything I can. So I read
Speaker 3: everything I could about everything. I volunteered everywhere I could.
Speaker 3: I you know, I was peaying on sets. I would
Speaker 3: do every I would do every job I could do
Speaker 3: just to get a taste of what it was. But
Speaker 3: the problem for me was I knew really early on
Speaker 3: that I wanted to be a director. I just was like,
Speaker 3: that's I have little interest in anything else besides storytelling.
Speaker 3: And I also was like not a tech nerd, so
Speaker 3: I couldn't really operate cameras like well, like I was
Speaker 3: that last night, yeah, and then your dad's like, here,
Speaker 3: use this camera and I'm like, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: not that guy like I can turn that on for
Speaker 3: you and I can tell you how to aim it,
Speaker 3: and but I'm not that guy. Like I'm not. And
Speaker 3: it's funny because a lot of people will be like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's a VFX director, and I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about VFX, Like for what is worth?
Speaker 1: The VFX in the three of your movies that I've
Speaker 1: recently watched are insane.
Speaker 3: And I think it's because I'm not a VFX person,
Speaker 3: because there's there's so many VFX people in that pipeline
Speaker 3: who are talking about VFX and all I'm sitting there
Speaker 3: going is like that doesn't look real, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Like I shot that thing to go in
Speaker 3: the mid ground so that you have a real reference
Speaker 3: you to make that look like that. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Like so like my approaches, film, something that can go
Speaker 3: into the frame that's actually filmed and light is actually
Speaker 3: hitting it, so that when they put the visual effects in,
Speaker 3: there's something as a litmus test. Yeah, there's a reference
Speaker 3: where you're like that looks fake, that looks real and
Speaker 3: it look Visual effects is really hard, and you know
Speaker 3: you're gonna get criticized about your vfect Like you know,
Speaker 3: my movies have like a thousand VFFCT shots or six
Speaker 3: hundred or eight hundred VFFECT shots. It's hard to get
Speaker 3: them all at the level you want them. But my
Speaker 3: approach has always been I want realism as much as
Speaker 3: you can get it. You know. The other thing too,
Speaker 3: is that like my movies, Atlas was my biggest budget,
Speaker 3: but like San Andreas was one of those movies where
Speaker 3: we never felt like we had enough money, Like we
Speaker 3: were always it was made for like one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars, which is, like I know, is a
Speaker 3: lot of money, but it was going up against movies
Speaker 3: that were made for two hundreds, you know, and I
Speaker 3: was like, man, so like there was so little waste
Speaker 3: because I couldn't afford to waste anything. You know, Like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of movies where you're like cutting like,
Speaker 3: you know, fifty shots. I didn't maybe cut five because
Speaker 3: I couldn't afford to spend the extra money on the
Speaker 3: fifty shots and then cut forty five of them. You know,
Speaker 3: like you had to keep everything lean and pointed and
Speaker 3: like very very specific and yeah, so it was like
Speaker 3: that that taught me how to be a good storyteller
Speaker 3: as well, where you're just like, okay, you're looking for realism,
Speaker 3: you're grounding the movie. You can't shoot an absorbite amount
Speaker 3: of stuff. You don't have the time, you don't have
Speaker 3: the money, you don't have the resources, and you're still
Speaker 3: you know, the studio and you're beholding this bit. And
Speaker 3: my visions tend to be big, like world building visions,
Speaker 3: so yeah, as epic as I can get them. And
Speaker 3: then like you know, I remember like on my second movie,
Speaker 3: on a Journey Too is what it was called. Yeah, yeah, cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so we all went to Hawaii for the first half,
Speaker 3: shot all the exteriors and then had a Christmas break
Speaker 3: and after Ristmas came to Wilmington and shot all the interiors. Here.
Speaker 3: Where did they do that in Wilming studio?
Speaker 1: The screen gyms. It's no longer. It's by the airport.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen it. Okay, now used
Speaker 1: to be screen gyms. It has been sold like last year.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had one of our like big like lizard
Speaker 3: eggs on the lawn for a while from that a
Speaker 3: big lot. Yeah yeah yeah, so we had that lot
Speaker 3: for like three two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll pass it tomorrow and taking you.
Speaker 3: To the airport. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah so
Speaker 3: it was That was cool. But sorry, what was I saying?
Speaker 3: The uh you gotta keep it lean and like concise. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so we shot this little, this very
Speaker 3: small scene where they crashed this helicopter. This doesn't sound
Speaker 3: like a small scene. Sorry, it's small as a helicopter.
Speaker 3: They wake up on a beach on an island. Okay,
Speaker 3: And I you know, I was I storyboard everything. And
Speaker 3: so I remember showing the producer was this guy named both Flynn.
Speaker 3: I showed him the storyboards and I'm like, yeah, so
Speaker 3: they wake up here and there's like close ups, you know,
Speaker 3: people waking up. And then I'm gonna do this big
Speaker 3: helicopter shot of the beach. And he's like, helicopter shot
Speaker 3: in this scene and I was like yeah, He's like
Speaker 3: that sounds that sounds like a lot. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: you want a big movie, right, He's like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: want a big movie. I was just like, all right,
Speaker 3: well we're doing a helicopter shot on the beach, you know,
Speaker 3: like and so it was like a tricky like the
Speaker 3: way I looked at it was and it would be
Speaker 3: a digital beach because I would shoot a little plate
Speaker 3: of the beach. Yeah, put a digital environment, right, And
Speaker 3: so the way I looked at it was you have
Speaker 3: to put shots like that in scenes that don't necessarily
Speaker 3: stereotypically demand that. So the audience very early on goes, oh,
Speaker 3: this is a big movie. You know, like you're training Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're training them, you know. I don't even think people
Speaker 3: would think about it, but like we all were like
Speaker 3: or the crew was just like helicopter shot in this scene,
Speaker 3: you know, and I was like, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we need to set the stage. We're in a big
Speaker 3: movie now, you know, We're on this mysterious island, this
Speaker 3: jeweles Verne thing. So yeah. So it's just it's always
Speaker 3: been like my goal is to make these big stories
Speaker 3: on these big canvases. And so starting was really hard
Speaker 3: because there was no resources at all, no cameras, I'd know, money,
Speaker 3: you know, I was you know, I dropped out of
Speaker 3: some film schools because I wanted to be a director.
Speaker 3: So for me, it really started from writing. And I'm
Speaker 3: not a great writer, but I'm a pretty good writer
Speaker 3: because I just have written so much at this point.
Speaker 3: And then I instead of the traditional like, oh, I'd
Speaker 3: shoot things on the weekend with my friend because I
Speaker 3: could shoot stuff, and I got myself a little video
Speaker 3: camera and i'd do a little exercise to kind of
Speaker 3: learn like what camera movement looked like, and or I
Speaker 3: would go get a gimbal and kind of move the
Speaker 3: camera and get a sense of what it was. But
Speaker 3: then I didn't do a lot of like I didn't
Speaker 3: make a lot of short films because even if I
Speaker 3: could figure out a way to shoot it. Then I'm like,
Speaker 3: how do I edit this? Yeah, I don't have it.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know anyone with an editing bay. It's
Speaker 3: not like today where like I know ten people that
Speaker 3: edit stuff at home. Was not like that, you know, Like,
Speaker 3: so I didn't have any of those resources. It wasn't
Speaker 3: as easy to kind of put stuff together on your own.
Speaker 3: So for me, I stored up that hunger to make something,
Speaker 3: and then eventually I wrote a grant for the government,
Speaker 3: which in Canada's really good when you're coming up as
Speaker 3: an artist. They have a lot of government grants, like
Speaker 3: you'll get like twelve thousand dollars and fifteen thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: and you know, as a as like a twenty one
Speaker 3: year old, twenty year old, you're like twelve thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, camera activities budget. Yeah it's not like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's more a little bit, but it's enough to make
Speaker 3: a short film. So you know, I made a short
Speaker 3: film that way. And what I would say is what
Speaker 3: it did for me was it put me in this
Speaker 3: headspace that I really benefited from later on, where if
Speaker 3: I'm going to shoot something, I'm going all in. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I am going one hundred percent. I'm giving it
Speaker 3: my all. It is the only thing I'm doing is
Speaker 3: this thing, you know, Because it wasn't like, oh, I'll
Speaker 3: do a little thing here and a little thing here
Speaker 3: and a little thing here. It was like, no, I
Speaker 3: can't do these little things. Oh I have twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: I have to do this one in my mind, big thing,
Speaker 3: you know. And it was like whatever, like an eight
Speaker 3: minute short film. But it was like I went all
Speaker 3: in on that and made that as best as I
Speaker 3: could make that little thing. And that kind of serviced
Speaker 3: me because then when I got to go make my
Speaker 3: second short film at the film school, I eventually didn't
Speaker 3: drop out of the CFC. I made this short film
Speaker 3: called Evelyn, and it was like I threw everything at
Speaker 3: it because it was my mentality was so different, I
Speaker 3: think than everybody else's. I was like I used to think,
Speaker 3: I honestly like, I didn't exercise at the CFC. And
Speaker 3: they gave us five hundred feet of film, a DP
Speaker 3: and a camera and we all pulled emotions out of
Speaker 3: a hat. And I got the emotion of fear, and
Speaker 3: they said, you need to capture fear. Oh, yeah, and
Speaker 3: I was like, this is a great exercise. How much
Speaker 3: time one mag so? How much time would that be?
Speaker 3: Three four minutes? It was not a lot. It's a
Speaker 3: little project, yeah, very little, like here do. Basically the
Speaker 3: exercise was do a single shotah and make it about fear.
Speaker 3: So I interpret it was so of course I did
Speaker 3: the most stereotypical thing first, tied someone to a chair,
Speaker 3: put it on high speed, made them shake. I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, like a fincher thing like. But in my
Speaker 3: head when I was doing it, I was like, this
Speaker 3: isn't scary. So then and I was in a basement,
Speaker 3: so it looked like it was like a horror film,
Speaker 3: like it was gnarly looking. But then I had the
Speaker 3: and I did a couple takes of that, and then
Speaker 3: I was like, then I tried something else, and then
Speaker 3: finally I was like, I think the scariest thing in
Speaker 3: here would be how I felt, which was I felt
Speaker 3: like I was failing that exercise. So I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm scared that I'm failing this exercise. So it just
Speaker 3: hit me again. The intuition is where I draw from.
Speaker 3: I said, I said, pull out every light bulb in
Speaker 3: this place except for that one wow. And then I said,
Speaker 3: take the camera and go all the way to the
Speaker 3: other end of the basement and I stood under the
Speaker 3: light bulb and capturing how I felt, and I said,
Speaker 3: just pull out from my face. So as it just
Speaker 3: pulled out, it just left me in this little puddle
Speaker 3: of darkness, right, this one little thing of light over me.
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's how I felt. Like, that's
Speaker 3: how I felt in that moment. Even though I have
Speaker 3: this crew around me, I'm like, I'm dying here. This
Speaker 3: is I'm failing this exercise. And back to my initial
Speaker 3: point about this little story was when they gave me
Speaker 3: that camera and they gave me that five hundred feet
Speaker 3: of film. In my head, I was like, no one's
Speaker 3: going to get and I believe this. No one is
Speaker 3: going to give me a camera or five hundred feet
Speaker 3: of film again in my life. That was what was
Speaker 3: in my head. I was like, this is it. Yeah, Brad,
Speaker 3: They're never going to do this again. They're never going
Speaker 3: to give you this type of equipment again. Like you
Speaker 3: better do something with this, you know. Fear. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: When I saw a fear, I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can work right, I think this is gonna work
Speaker 3: out for me?
Speaker 1: Was that your final cut? Like your face?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh cool? And so what was interesting about this
Speaker 3: exercise was we get we all screened them as a group.
Speaker 3: I should also like say the CFC is a very
Speaker 3: special school if no one knows about it and you're interested,
Speaker 3: or you know someone in Canada who wants to be
Speaker 3: a filmmaker. The Canadian Film Center is like our AFI.
Speaker 3: So Norman Jewison established it. I've met Norman Jewison number
Speaker 3: of times because he's such a supporter of Canadian filmmakers.
Speaker 3: They took eight directors, eight writers, eight producers and four
Speaker 3: editors every year and you just go to school every
Speaker 3: day for six months. Wow. Wow, very different schooling. So
Speaker 3: I dropped out of a number of film schools because
Speaker 3: I was like, this is all nonsense. You're not teaching
Speaker 3: me how to be a director. I don't want to
Speaker 3: know about sound waves. I'm never going to be a
Speaker 3: sound engineer. Like it just didn't apply. I was very
Speaker 3: practical minded and I was also very poor, so it
Speaker 3: was like I can't just waste money on four years
Speaker 3: of nonsense that I'm not going to utilize. You know,
Speaker 3: I was being very practical about it in some way.
Speaker 3: And so you know, when when the CFC would screen
Speaker 3: these exercises, this was like our second exercise, they would
Speaker 3: everyone was sitting in the room, and I was a
Speaker 3: complete introvert. I was frightened to death of showing what
Speaker 3: I was going to do. I was the youngest person
Speaker 3: at that point, and I may still be the youngest
Speaker 3: person who've ever gone to the CFC. I was like
Speaker 3: twenty one. Oh, I was a kid. I was a
Speaker 3: real I was a child. There's an advantage of that, though.
Speaker 3: I did not have any fear of feeling because I
Speaker 3: had no experience. Yeah, I had like literally no experience
Speaker 3: like a superhero at that age. Well, I was more
Speaker 3: like dumb, you know what I mean. I was just
Speaker 3: like I'm like, I don't, I don't I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: try my best. And they were you could tell when
Speaker 3: people were scared to look bad, and I was just like,
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna look bad one twenty one, like, let's
Speaker 3: just take a swing at this.
Speaker 1: I pick up from you, like, especially over the last
Speaker 1: few days we've been together, and the more we're talking
Speaker 1: about this particular thing that you're you seem to be
Speaker 1: very introspective. Yeah, yeah, you're like you're very aware of things,
Speaker 1: Like there's some things you've said throughout this weekend. Then
Speaker 1: I'm like, huh, that's very observant.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing so you put me in a chair
Speaker 3: and put a mic to my mouth, so you're not
Speaker 3: gonna get that. But generally speaking, I am more of
Speaker 3: an observer. Yeah, I like to sit back.
Speaker 1: What they don't know is we've been together for how
Speaker 1: many hours now?
Speaker 3: Right like nine am?
Speaker 1: Picking you up from the hotel, all right, dropping you
Speaker 1: off at ten thirty. See, at nine am, I spend.
Speaker 3: A lot of time sort of making notes to myself,
Speaker 3: Like I don't journal or anything, but like I'm I'm
Speaker 3: I'm very very like creatively active. I guess it would be
Speaker 3: the way I like, I wake up, I feed my
Speaker 3: dogs and make and make sure my fiance still likes me,
Speaker 3: and then I go right, you know.
Speaker 1: Like congratulations, by the way, you on Christmas Day?
Speaker 3: Christmas, Yeah, congrats, I'm almost a full adult. Now. How
Speaker 3: you do it? I gotta know? I teased her because so, uh,
Speaker 3: she's Chinese American. She grew up in China initially till
Speaker 3: she was like fourteen, and so and I obviously grew
Speaker 3: up in Canada and like the way my Christmases were
Speaker 3: were like my parents would do these big stocking stuffers.
Speaker 3: They would just my mom would make these huge stuff
Speaker 3: I should all say, like my family is interesting, Like
Speaker 3: my mom made all of our art in our house.
Speaker 3: All the Christmas tree ornaments my mom made are stocking
Speaker 3: to my mom. But even uh Ella fiance is stocking
Speaker 3: my mom made it for her. Wow, you know, like
Speaker 3: everything's handmade in our in our growing Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: super it's super neat. I didn't think about it as
Speaker 3: a kid, but then, like, you know, my mom is
Speaker 3: one of those people like to this day she paints
Speaker 3: on rocks and goes to the beach and lays them
Speaker 3: for kids to find. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they're super They're
Speaker 3: super cool people. My parents are really really cool. So anyway,
Speaker 3: I we did all the gifts and then I said,
Speaker 3: did you get me any stocking stuffers? And she's like,
Speaker 3: what's the stocking stuffer? I was like what, you know,
Speaker 3: I was like totally playing it up because I put
Speaker 3: the ring box in the stocking and so I was like,
Speaker 3: you didn't get me out? Well, I got used some
Speaker 3: stocking stuff first, and she's like, oh, I feel so bad.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, go look at your stocking.
Speaker 3: She goes over there and she looks in the stocking
Speaker 3: and the ring boxes and I could just see her
Speaker 3: brain like, you know, like what what and she takes
Speaker 3: it out and then I'm like, I better kneel down
Speaker 3: or something, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I better.
Speaker 3: I didn't actually kneel that. I was so silly. I
Speaker 3: didn't really know what to do. I just kind of
Speaker 3: was like and and I sort of just got I
Speaker 3: sat on the floor. I just kind of got lower,
Speaker 3: so she just squatted.
Speaker 1: I did it in the car and yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: front yard.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the timing it felt right, but like how
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm awkwardly emotionally trying to get through,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's I wasn't terrified. I just my
Speaker 3: brain stopped working, you know. And then so she was
Speaker 3: standing up and she opens it and she just like
Speaker 3: started bawling and she was so happy and she's like
Speaker 3: is this And I was like, yeah, that's that's exactly
Speaker 3: what you want, you know, I was like she So
Speaker 3: she was so specific about like the ring and all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, and I had played dumb so
Speaker 3: often I'm really good at playing stupid, like like what
Speaker 3: you want, Like I just pretend I don't hear anything,
Speaker 3: you know, And so I'd got you know, it was
Speaker 3: really really fun and it was great to see her
Speaker 3: so happy, and I was so happy. And the funniest
Speaker 3: thing about my engagement was I was you know, I
Speaker 3: I I instantly fell in love with with l Yes,
Speaker 3: it was like it just the sensation right away was
Speaker 3: like wow, this is so strong, this is so like pure,
Speaker 3: and I didn't have any questions about it, Like as
Speaker 3: soon as I met her, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 3: person like vibes like me, like creative, open, adventurous, like
Speaker 3: all of the and then our core values are very aligned,
Speaker 3: so perfect. But we'd just been to the Netherlands, we'd
Speaker 3: just been to Switzerland, and I carried this ring through
Speaker 3: Europe with me on my person because I was so
Speaker 3: scared of losing it, looking for an opportunity to give
Speaker 3: it to her. For two weeks in Europe, I had
Speaker 3: it on me at all times, petrified she was gonna
Speaker 3: find At one point when we got on the flight
Speaker 3: over there, I had it in a big in a
Speaker 3: big ring box, like a big cardboard box, like I
Speaker 3: got shipp in the mail in and she's like, where
Speaker 3: are the snacks? And she's taking the box out and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't touch that box. So she had
Speaker 3: no clue. I even bought the ring let alone, had
Speaker 3: traveled through Europe with it in my pocket. But when
Speaker 3: I was in Europe, like we were so busy, like
Speaker 3: Amsterdam was so awesome. We went to all these museums
Speaker 3: and then we were flying like to all these different
Speaker 3: countries and trains, different places, and it was always so
Speaker 3: full that I was like, I feel I don't want
Speaker 3: to shoehorn this in. And the closer I got to
Speaker 3: like going, okay, the timing starts to feel right, the
Speaker 3: more I wanted it to feel special. So Christmas morning
Speaker 3: was like, this is time with just us. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: just us and the dogs. This feels right. I can
Speaker 3: do like a silly thing with the stocking. So anyway,
Speaker 3: so that's that's Yeah, it was fuerfect. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that story. Man, I'm really happy for you guys.
Speaker 1: I am going to shift gears here a little bit though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk at ons.
Speaker 1: Wait. I do want to find out how you're screening
Speaker 1: of your Fear. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, great question.
Speaker 3: Screening of the Fear? Oh yeah, how was it received?
Speaker 3: So the the thing that I took, well, it was
Speaker 3: received pretty well. But honestly, like, this is something that
Speaker 3: has clicked in for me at a very young age
Speaker 3: and it is still consistent as I know, and something
Speaker 3: is good or not, I really do, like like that's
Speaker 3: my job is to kind of know like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: this word, you know your art. Yeah, It's like I know,
Speaker 3: like I'm an intuitive person, so if this is like
Speaker 3: freaking me out, it's gonna freak everybody like you. Hear
Speaker 3: a lot of filmmakers who are populist filmmakers, like the
Speaker 3: Camerons and the Spielbergs, Like, you know, Cameron's famous for
Speaker 3: this thing where he's doing Avatar and some junior execs says,
Speaker 3: why are they flying around so much? And he's like,
Speaker 3: because I want them to. He goes, yeah, But why
Speaker 3: do you think they're gonna be interested in this? He goes,
Speaker 3: because I am Yeah, right, I love that line. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's because he knows he's an intuitive, populist filmmaker,
Speaker 3: and he's like, this is going to be I'm interested
Speaker 3: in this. They're going to be interested in this, right,
Speaker 3: you know, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: That's our philosophy for this show. We are the content
Speaker 1: we want, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly, So that's sort of that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: So I had I was always sort of in tune
Speaker 3: with that, and that's where I think I was able
Speaker 3: to shift gears in that exercise to go from Okay,
Speaker 3: this is a cool finchery shot, but it's not scary,
Speaker 3: like it could be in a scary movie. But the
Speaker 3: SHOT's not scary, and the goal of this is to
Speaker 3: make a shot that feels scary. So as everyone was
Speaker 3: showing their clips, I realized some people had just done
Speaker 3: the same shot for five minutes. Wow, like the same
Speaker 3: exact take. And again that mentality about I'm never gonna
Speaker 3: get film again, I'm never gonna get a camera again.
Speaker 3: I was like as soon as I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: that one's done, new idea, that one's done, new idea,
Speaker 3: that one's done new, because again I was trying to
Speaker 3: find the right idea that was scary and you And
Speaker 3: so that was the thing that shocked me the most
Speaker 3: was that like, some people had just done the same
Speaker 3: shot for five minutes, literally the same exact setup over
Speaker 3: and over until they ran out a film and I
Speaker 3: was I think I had like five different shots completely different,
Speaker 3: like film speeds, exposures like again. The mentality was, well,
Speaker 3: they're gonna take this camera in this film away. I'm
Speaker 3: never gonna get DP again. I'm never That mentality is
Speaker 3: I think helped me a lot in my career because
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't want to mess up. I want
Speaker 3: to get the I want to pull the best thing
Speaker 3: I can pull out of me. Whether everyone else agrees
Speaker 3: it's good enough or not, I can't control that, but
Speaker 3: I can control if I pull it out and I go, Okay,
Speaker 3: you know what, that's honest, that's doing what it needs
Speaker 3: to do. That captures the emotion. I think that's gonna
Speaker 3: play to an audience, you know. So that was the
Speaker 3: big takeaway with that exercise, and it opened my eyes
Speaker 3: a lot just seeing what all the other much older
Speaker 3: than me, much more experienced filmmakers were doing or not doing.
Speaker 3: So it was a big eye opening kind of period
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 4: I tell you it was probably pretty well received then that
Speaker 4: you did a bunch of different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the first two I had like an
Speaker 3: up and down experience in that school, a certain exercise,
Speaker 3: if it was a visual exercise, I would crush it.
Speaker 3: I would be like people would just go, oh, yours
Speaker 3: and this guy's or yours and hers, or you know,
Speaker 3: like they were just visually I could tell a story
Speaker 3: really succinctly. And that's true of your movies. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: like to think of it the way like Fincher describes,
Speaker 3: like if you can turn the volume off and watch
Speaker 3: it and you get the story and it's good, you
Speaker 3: have a good movie. And it's true.
Speaker 1: Like when I was watching at This the other night,
Speaker 1: I told my wife, I said, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is just pure sci fi.
Speaker 3: I can't here. Yeah, yeah, it truly is. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: lead with a visual storytelling technique, and then when I
Speaker 3: can't do that, then I'm relying on dialogue, you know,
Speaker 3: as where like chrispher Nolan, for example, it's very dialogue
Speaker 3: heavy and it's just a lot of mediums and close
Speaker 3: ups with people talking. I love christpar Nolan obviously, but
Speaker 3: it's a totally different approach for sure. So yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's yeah, that part of it was great. But then
Speaker 3: sometimes I'd get an exercise where it would be like
Speaker 3: a writer wrote this comedy, pull this off, and I'd
Speaker 3: be like, oh man, first of all, I don't even
Speaker 3: find this funny, Like like I just was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what and then I would fail miserably at
Speaker 3: that exercise. I would give it everything I had, but
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't. This is not I'm not
Speaker 3: good at this.
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, and you didn't you weren't interested
Speaker 4: in the source material and so like you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: you don't even think it's funny.
Speaker 3: It was hard because I would be like I don't
Speaker 3: get what they're going for here, and they're telling me
Speaker 3: it's a comedy, but I don't really get this sense
Speaker 3: of humor. And so there are certain exercises I would
Speaker 3: just you know, completely bomb or try to make it
Speaker 3: my own and struggle. It was that, but that's sort
Speaker 3: of what the film school was for. I was like
Speaker 3: in my head, I was like, this is a place
Speaker 3: to fail, Like no one's gonna see this stuff. Yeah
Speaker 3: that's a good thought, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 3: was like, this is a safe place to fail. So
Speaker 3: I would swing for the fences on everything, and sometimes
Speaker 3: it was terrible. It was just like, I mean, I
Speaker 3: made an exercise and literally nobody got it and then
Speaker 3: I but but I was just like I understand why
Speaker 3: they don't get it, and then you learn from it
Speaker 3: for the future. Yeah, one hundred percent, And like that
Speaker 3: was like a big learning lesson. So it was just
Speaker 3: sometimes I would be you know, people would be like, Oh,
Speaker 3: You're amazing, and then sometimes people just stare at you
Speaker 3: and you be like, yeah, this is what failure looks like.
Speaker 3: Got it. I've learned so much? Yea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I would like to talk Atlas for
Speaker 1: a bit if you're down for that, and then maybe
Speaker 1: after that we can kind of shift into the Orbs
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Yeah, but Atlas, man, I have
Speaker 1: to know, like, how did you come up with this?
Speaker 1: The conceptualization of this. I really loved Smith, like Smith
Speaker 1: and Atlas in their dynamic.
Speaker 3: I best part of the movie, I think, honestly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: relationship is amazing. Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was just really so cool. So I just I
Speaker 1: want to hear like about it from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I found the script. Uh this these two, this
Speaker 3: producing couple that I know, Joby and Tory. Joby's really
Speaker 3: noticed like a big, like heavy, heavy hitting writer in Hollywood. Uh,
Speaker 3: He's I wrote on the Flash. I think he wrote
Speaker 3: all the Obi Wan show. You know, he's a big writer.
Speaker 3: He's like and he's got really really good taste and
Speaker 3: the two of them are a great partnership and producing duo.
Speaker 3: They have a real knack for finding material. And so
Speaker 3: I had talked to them for a while about what
Speaker 3: I wanted to make, and I would always reference Aliens
Speaker 3: because it's one of my favorite movies and I love
Speaker 3: science fiction. So I was like, I always want to
Speaker 3: do with science fiction. So they sent me the initial
Speaker 3: script and it's it was pretty different than what's there now.
Speaker 3: There wasn't the relationship of Smith and Outlass was not
Speaker 3: as strong as it is in the Finnish movie. The
Speaker 3: relationship with Smith and aatlyss kind of is what we
Speaker 3: developed and and you know, it had to go through
Speaker 3: developmental steps because at a certain point in the script
Speaker 3: writing process it was almost too like he was the therapist.
Speaker 3: I mean like literally it would read that way like
Speaker 3: stop down and there's therapy. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we need to like make this more of an arc
Speaker 3: of these two people like learning about each other.
Speaker 1: Smith is the AI, Yeah, Smith is the robot communication.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice. So the basic concept is that she's hunting
Speaker 3: an artificial intelligence terrorist. She this terrists uh killed her,
Speaker 3: her her family, her mother, and now she does not
Speaker 3: trust AI. And she gets put in an AI driven
Speaker 3: mech suit and dropped onto the planet that he's on.
Speaker 3: So she's like, I'm in a mech suit that I
Speaker 3: don't want to be in.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile they're like merged with its mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah suit, Like the mech suit's like you you have
Speaker 3: to plug in the the neural link in order to
Speaker 3: sync with me. And she's like, no chance. I don't
Speaker 3: trust AI. I don't trust you. Not a chance. And
Speaker 3: then she's hunting this AI, this this this like cyborg
Speaker 3: that's found out she's on the planet. I'm gonna hunt her.
Speaker 3: So it's like yeah, so it's kind of it's like
Speaker 3: a cool action adventure film. So it was. It was really, Uh,
Speaker 3: it was. It was a lot. It was a big challenge.
Speaker 3: I knew it was a big challenge because I was like, okay, listen,
Speaker 3: like we have we're building a world from scratch. There's
Speaker 3: been so many mech suits, there's been so many cyborgs
Speaker 3: and everything in movies. It's like I need to like
Speaker 3: try to get out of all the stereotypical stuff and
Speaker 3: like invent something new that feels whole. I felt that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it was hard. It was really really hard. I
Speaker 3: think we succeeded a lot with the visual stuff. I
Speaker 3: really really loved Smith than Atlas. That's my favorite part
Speaker 3: of the movie is their dynamic. And it's also probably
Speaker 3: one of the like that's what everyone was worried about.
Speaker 3: And when I cast Greg Cohen as as Smith, and
Speaker 3: he you know, he's an actor, but he's just a
Speaker 3: voice in the suit. So he's like on the he's
Speaker 3: in like a sound booth on the set talking to
Speaker 3: Jennifer live in the scene so that Jennifer can act cool.
Speaker 3: There's not like a thing in her earbud, and he's
Speaker 3: actually piped into the cockpit so the speakers and the
Speaker 3: cockpit are lost, so they're having real conversations. So like
Speaker 3: sometimes if I wanted to have her do something different,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go to her. I'd go to him and say, hey,
Speaker 3: at this moment, like when she says this, I want
Speaker 3: you to like awkward pause and force her off a
Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah. Well it was like to force comedy
Speaker 3: in a way, ok, right, because It's like if she
Speaker 3: says something is like she's like getting in his face
Speaker 3: and he's like beat beat beat, and then delivers the answer.
Speaker 3: Suddenly it's comedy, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 3: like he'd be like, yes, I know, okay, great. And
Speaker 3: with Jennifer, she's she was a lot like me in
Speaker 3: terms of her She's intuitive, very intuitive person like very
Speaker 3: very just like dialed into her emotions and her intuition.
Speaker 3: And so the more I could allow her space to
Speaker 3: play and just kind of do her thing. And by
Speaker 3: the way, I'd already put her in a fucking cockpit,
Speaker 3: you know, like I can't strap someone in like much
Speaker 3: more than that, you know what I mean. Like, so
Speaker 3: I felt like, okay, Brad, like you put this actress
Speaker 3: in this cockpit. You've given her no room to like maneuver.
Speaker 3: On top of that, I was like, okay, there's a
Speaker 3: hologram here, and I'd put up a wire and be
Speaker 3: like you need to hit this and hit this, and
Speaker 3: she'd be like she's okay. I mean, she was great,
Speaker 3: but I knew, like I'm giving you, like, you know,
Speaker 3: invisible things to do and like putting you in this
Speaker 3: little space. So I didn't want to like belabor her
Speaker 3: in her performance, so I would go to Greg. Now.
Speaker 3: Of course, like her and I had talked through the
Speaker 3: script and we got on the same page and we
Speaker 3: had no issues with that. Like we knew the movie,
Speaker 3: you know, we knew what we wanted to do, and
Speaker 3: we knew like the ebbs and flows of scenes. But
Speaker 3: like you have to as a filmmaker. You know, every
Speaker 3: actor is very different, Like Jeffrey Dean Morgan is completely
Speaker 3: different than Naomi Harris or Dwayne you know, like and
Speaker 3: so on Rampage I have. These three actors are very different.
Speaker 3: Their approaches are just so different, you know, And so
Speaker 3: I had to learn Jennifer's approach. Loved by the way,
Speaker 3: thank you. Yeah, I loved it. It was fun. It
Speaker 3: was a fun movie to make. But with Jennifer, she
Speaker 3: was so intuitive. And I'm that way that I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be the director that like gets in
Speaker 3: her way. Not a chance. I'm backing her. Yeah, did
Speaker 3: you know what that feels like? Yeah? And it's the
Speaker 3: worst when someone just downloads you with too much information.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's becoming this clinical thing of like beat
Speaker 3: bop boop. But I'm like no, I'm not interested in
Speaker 3: directing that way, acting that way. Like I know that
Speaker 3: I could. I just don't think it's gonna get her
Speaker 3: her or me where we need to go, you know,
Speaker 3: and bothively yeah, and I and I got this. I
Speaker 3: never even had that conversation with her, but I just
Speaker 3: got the sense from where I was like, Oh, you're intuitive, Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: let me let me help you. And so the dynamic
Speaker 3: on set with her and Greg was really really fun
Speaker 3: and was really enjoyable for me because people would come
Speaker 3: up like Greg. No one knew who he was, and
Speaker 3: at first people were just like, he's just here for
Speaker 3: the production, will replace his voice. Later in my head,
Speaker 3: I was like, not a chick, no way, this guy
Speaker 3: is perfect. That's why I cast him. I was like,
Speaker 3: that's how I picture Smith, you know. And this was
Speaker 3: an odd movie. There were a lot of voices in
Speaker 3: my ears on this movie. And so the I'm very
Speaker 3: proud of, like a lot of the things where I
Speaker 3: put my foot down and was like, this is how
Speaker 3: I picture it are the things that really work. And
Speaker 3: so it's a learning lesson in that regard. Sometimes I
Speaker 3: didn't put my foot down, and there are things that
Speaker 3: like I don't think quite work, because I never thought
Speaker 3: they were going to quite work. But I was being told,
Speaker 3: you have to make this concession, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: Netflix like execs, or it's all of it. When it's
Speaker 3: all of it like Netflix were really great. They were
Speaker 3: really really good to work with. The exec My personal
Speaker 3: execs were amazing. I thought that studio was excellent. Cool,
Speaker 3: but there was there's a lot of voices, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of producers, there's a lot of studios. All of
Speaker 3: these movies are like that, and so you know, the
Speaker 3: difference for me specifically was on So I made Journey
Speaker 3: to San Andreas and Rampage with the same star, at
Speaker 3: the same studio, with the same executives, with the same producer,
Speaker 3: one producer, one producer, two executives, one star. So I
Speaker 3: had gone through this situation and then the first movie
Speaker 3: again they would like question a bunch of these things,
Speaker 3: and by the time I was doing San Andreas, they
Speaker 3: were like, whatever you want, do your thing. I mean
Speaker 3: they would call me on set and be like, dude,
Speaker 3: that shot yesterday was amazing, and then I'd be as
Speaker 3: smart as'd be, like all my shots are amazing. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: I knew the executive is. By that point, I had
Speaker 3: a great relationship with them, a great relationship with Bo
Speaker 3: the producer, had a great relationship with Dwayne, Like we
Speaker 3: knew each other, we knew our strengths, we knew where.
Speaker 3: It felt more like a band playing, you know. I
Speaker 3: went to Netflix. They they were gracious, they bought the script.
Speaker 3: We had great meetings, but then COVID happened and everything
Speaker 3: slowed down, and then we had to stop. It was
Speaker 3: like this very up and down, sporadic situation. And then
Speaker 3: I had never worked with I mean, we had like
Speaker 3: eight producers on Atlas. I'd never worked with eight producers.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm not sure I'll ever do it again.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of producers. Man in the kitchen, It's
Speaker 3: a lot, dude, It's a lot that's wild. It is wild.
Speaker 3: It is wild. And you know, I had more than
Speaker 3: two executives. You know. It was just a completely new
Speaker 3: form for me too, And I am guilty of maybe
Speaker 3: being like too nice. Honestly, I had to. I've now
Speaker 3: learned like as a artist, I need firmer boundaries. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: there's when there's that many people involved. Now I'm just
Speaker 3: like Okay, I need to draw a line in the sand.
Speaker 3: I can't do my job, you know, And and I
Speaker 3: felt some of that. So Atlas was harder in that regard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so I felt like I felt the movie sort
Speaker 3: of being like very difficult to wrangle, and then I
Speaker 3: would wrangle it back in, and then I would feel
Speaker 3: it drifted away and I'd wrangle back in. And I
Speaker 3: don't know if like people understand as a filmmaker, when
Speaker 3: you're doing these big technical movies, it's like everything matters,
Speaker 3: every single thing. The focal length, where the green screens
Speaker 3: are every It's not like I'm just putting cameras on
Speaker 3: my shoulder and shooting people talking doing dishes. It's not.
Speaker 3: And even that would be like the lights would be
Speaker 3: outside in the kitchen and it'd be like noon and
Speaker 3: you're making it look like six pm, and like, you know,
Speaker 3: everything is complicated. But on these big movies, if if
Speaker 3: if a couple things wobble, then it the wobble's really big,
Speaker 3: you know, because you're like the chain reaction is massive,
Speaker 3: and there's just you know, sometimes there's arrogance and sometimes
Speaker 3: there's like short sightedness and they don't see that I
Speaker 3: feel that all day long because I'm like, it's my
Speaker 3: job for there to not be wobbles and for no
Speaker 3: one to feel a wobble, and there's no chance I
Speaker 3: can let the cast feel that. So I've got to
Speaker 3: protect them at all costs. Now, So now I'm protecting
Speaker 3: the cast, trying to like make these things that I
Speaker 3: don't think might necessarily work work, Like it's very difficult.
Speaker 3: So Atlas is a little bit bittersweet because I felt
Speaker 3: like we went into it with really good intentions. I
Speaker 3: didn't feel like I was at the top of my game,
Speaker 3: and I have to take responsibility for that. I'm really
Speaker 3: happy with big portions of the movie, but of course,
Speaker 3: as the person who made it, I see the weakest parts.
Speaker 3: You know. Now, I know I'm being hard on myself,
Speaker 3: but still like that's how I feel about it. But
Speaker 3: you know, it obviously did pretty well. We were number
Speaker 3: one for like four or five weeks in like ninety
Speaker 3: something countries, and you know, yeah, I can.
Speaker 1: Tell you how it made me feel amazing. Honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you the truth. Yeah, I mean, not blowing smokes.
Speaker 1: I believe I really love this movie.
Speaker 3: I think for me, Cary, I carry the experience, Like
Speaker 3: as the person who created it, I carry the experience.
Speaker 3: Like and I've talked to people about this where it's
Speaker 3: like I know producers who are like I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that movie was amazing, and they're like, it was the
Speaker 3: worst years of my life, you know, because it was
Speaker 3: so hard, you know, like you can That's the thing
Speaker 3: is the audience doesn't see that. But like I movie
Speaker 3: with Atlas was hard, dude, Atlas was hard.
Speaker 1: Is it stressful? Managing a budget of one hundred million dollars?
Speaker 3: So you're not really thinking about the money honestly, you
Speaker 3: know what things cost and it comes to you and
Speaker 3: like it'll come to you like this. They'll be like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're ten million dollars over. What can we cut? And
Speaker 3: as the filmmaker, I know visual effect shots are expensive.
Speaker 3: Sets are expensive, you know, Like so you have to
Speaker 3: go through and go, Okay, we can lose this scene.
Speaker 3: We can take that scene and put it in this set.
Speaker 3: Can I reuse it? You know, you're going to the
Speaker 3: art department. That's how you're dealing with money. You're never
Speaker 3: dealing with like the big number.
Speaker 1: It's just decisions.
Speaker 3: It's decisions compartmentalizing them right, you can't. You know, there's
Speaker 3: that the saying that summarized being like a big budget
Speaker 3: filmmaker up the most is how do you eat an
Speaker 3: elephant one bite at a time? Right, That's how you
Speaker 3: make a big movie. Yeah, you don't think about week
Speaker 3: you know, fourteen. You think about week one, and then
Speaker 3: when you're through week one and you go, oh my god,
Speaker 3: how do I make that happen? And you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: week two, you know, like and then you just go
Speaker 3: through your binders, go survive that week. You know, like
Speaker 3: there's no other way. It's just too big, you know.
Speaker 3: And so and then of course you trust your plan
Speaker 3: and you know, you trust the people around you. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't think it doesn't it doesn't happen like that.
Speaker 3: It's it's not like realistic. You don't really think of
Speaker 3: the number, you know. And also a lot of times,
Speaker 3: like I'll be honest, like a lot of the budget
Speaker 3: stuff is out of my control, like the studio is
Speaker 3: paying for it. They have a point of view. They
Speaker 3: may say like I've gotten the note. Most of the
Speaker 3: time when I was working at Warner Brothers a New line,
Speaker 3: I would get the note more like hey, you did
Speaker 3: this sequence, and I'd be like, yeah, I love this.
Speaker 3: It's like George. I remember this because this guy named
Speaker 3: Michael Disco is one of my two executives, Sam Brown
Speaker 3: and Mike Disco, or my executives at Newline and Richard Brenner,
Speaker 3: and then Toby Emrick was the head of New Line.
Speaker 3: He was above them. But I would deal with Sam
Speaker 3: and Mike all the time. Every day. I would talk
Speaker 3: to them, great guys, super super friendly, and I would
Speaker 3: storyboard everything. I'd board it myself by hand, and then
Speaker 3: i'd hand it over to a board artist. They'd polish
Speaker 3: it up. Then I would cut it together as like
Speaker 3: an animatic, so you could see the sequence, you know, again,
Speaker 3: like there's no fat I'm shooting the sequence, I'm boarding
Speaker 3: the sequence, we're cutting it together. I'm shooting that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe a couple and I'll have an extra camera. Someone
Speaker 3: will throw in an extra shot. And if I did
Speaker 3: have an extra camera, I would say to my DP,
Speaker 3: if I'm not using that camera, find something awesome, shoot it.
Speaker 3: But I'm telling this story. And I would show those
Speaker 3: animatics to the studio and sometimes we would take the
Speaker 3: animatic and then do previs, which is like a pre visualization,
Speaker 3: which you'd probably see online. It's like a computer rendition
Speaker 3: of the scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the crew for sure version of it was very.
Speaker 3: Bad animation, but you're seeing the movement, you know, like
Speaker 3: so you can tell all this sequence works. And I
Speaker 3: would show that to the studio a lot of the
Speaker 3: times they would be like awesome but not big enough epic. Yeah,
Speaker 3: more stuff, more stuff, And my first instinct was like
Speaker 3: you crash, you don't know your time. My first instinct
Speaker 3: was always like I felt, always felt like a petulant teenager,
Speaker 3: like you don't know, you know, I know my vision.
Speaker 3: But then I would be like more sounds good. Though
Speaker 3: maybe maybe I could do like another cool thing with
Speaker 3: a forklift smashing into the you know, like.
Speaker 1: Maybe there will be a tsunami ya.
Speaker 3: But the thing is as the creative you're you're sinking
Speaker 3: your heart and soul into it, and you think this
Speaker 3: is awesome. So when someone comes back with criticism, my
Speaker 3: first instinct as like again like my interpetulent teenager would
Speaker 3: be like, you don't know, and then I would go
Speaker 3: execute their note because I'm like more is that's a
Speaker 3: good note? I can do more, you know, like I
Speaker 3: never got the less thing. And so the money, I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's your money. Whatever you want more. I can't control
Speaker 3: the budget if you're and so then if someone complained
Speaker 3: about money, I'd be like they wanted more, you know,
Speaker 3: like they said it like you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: what to tell you, Like I I was fine with
Speaker 3: it being this, and then they were like, add more
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, your movies are big and epic, yeah,
Speaker 1: the big and Scar three that I've seen recently, the
Speaker 1: big Scar huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like those. I like stories like that.
Speaker 1: Scraper crashing, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Let's go six San Francisco, Let's you know, have some fun.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Atlas was like it was my biggest movie.
Speaker 3: It was also my most difficult movie, you know, and
Speaker 3: I think like it pushed it pushed me, for sure,
Speaker 3: pushed me. But I think also with time, I'll feel
Speaker 3: less of the less of the scars from making it,
Speaker 3: because I'm I probably felt this way. I just came out,
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. It just came out like seven months ago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I think I probably felt this way after Rampage.
Speaker 3: There's just a certain amount of trauma that you go
Speaker 3: through when you're making these movies and you don't sleep
Speaker 3: for a year, you know what I mean, There's no
Speaker 3: way around it.
Speaker 4: You're just like the one thing you always hear. Like
Speaker 4: poor Peter Jackson and those Lord of the Rings movies.
Speaker 3: Oh man, when's the last movie? What's the last movie
Speaker 3: he made after that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: No, it was that one like uh with the big
Speaker 4: giant like mechanical moving castle.
Speaker 3: He didn't even direct it. Oh he did it. No,
Speaker 3: I produced it. I think No. I think his last
Speaker 3: one were the Hobbits.
Speaker 1: Hobbit I forgot about that. Yeah, And the same thing.
Speaker 3: I met Peter Jackson while I was shooting San Andreas
Speaker 3: because I was in Australia. I shot Sandrias and Australia
Speaker 3: and my scripty who is this awesome woman named Victoria. Uh.
Speaker 3: She said, do you, Brad, do you watch television? I
Speaker 3: said not really, and she goes, do you have a
Speaker 3: favorite show? And I said, I'm embarrassed to tell you
Speaker 3: my favorite show. I thought she was gonna judge me,
Speaker 3: and she goes, what is it? And I'm like Survivor
Speaker 3: And she goes, do you know who else's favorite show
Speaker 3: Survivor is? And I was like, who. She goes, Peter
Speaker 3: Jackson for real, Yeah, and she goes, I'm texting him
Speaker 3: right now, you guys need to meet and I was
Speaker 3: just like, please text him, you know, like and so
Speaker 3: she texted him and he flew me out to New
Speaker 3: Zealand to have lunch with him, and I had the
Speaker 3: private tour of his whole thing, his whole studio. That's
Speaker 3: the nicest guy in the world. Like we were. He
Speaker 3: would sit in his big editing bay and they would
Speaker 3: bring in magazine covers from like, you know, very famous
Speaker 3: magazines with like the he was cutting. I want to say,
Speaker 3: he was, oh, man, I'm gonna mess this up, San Andreas.
Speaker 3: He was cutting one of the Lord of the Rings
Speaker 3: movies or one of the Hobbit movies. I can't remember.
Speaker 3: But I walked into his editing bait and I was
Speaker 3: watching them cutting one of those movies. And then as
Speaker 3: he was sitting there, they were flying in magazine covers
Speaker 3: and there and then the assistant would be like, you
Speaker 3: wanted fire for the words, and then you wanted gold
Speaker 3: text and he's like okay, okay, yeah, and he was
Speaker 3: signing off on this stuff, and I was just like,
Speaker 3: this is Sandre's was my third movie, and I'm sitting
Speaker 3: in front of Peter Jackson like editing a Lord of
Speaker 3: the Rings movie. I was like, that's cool. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: how did I get here? Yeah? Man, I was just like,
Speaker 3: what is happening right now? You know, so humble, so cool.
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone knows, but Peter Jackson's does
Speaker 3: not wear socks or shoes, bare feet inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh you mean like out anywhere anywhere anywhere.
Speaker 3: Never had shoes, never had socks on, would walk around
Speaker 3: everywhere bare feet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's I'm a huge fan. That's the only reason
Speaker 4: I know that about him.
Speaker 1: But oh, it's his all time favorite thing is Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings. That's great, the books, the movies, it's
Speaker 1: one of mine.
Speaker 3: But it's like he yeah, it is his. When when
Speaker 3: Gandalf rides out and blinds the dragons, that's one of
Speaker 3: my favorite, one of the best shot is so sick,
Speaker 3: literally like all the hair on my arms stood up
Speaker 3: in the Peter and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is cinema is so Gorgons music and everything. It's
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god. He totally understands cinema, like
Speaker 3: he just his his ability to shape, scale and scope
Speaker 3: is on another level.
Speaker 4: It's like even the sky is like the left side
Speaker 4: of the sky's cloudy, where the dark nas gul are
Speaker 4: they're black. The right side is more clear and sunny.
Speaker 4: Gandalf is on a white horse and all white holding
Speaker 4: the white staff. Yeah, shooting the light. Yeah, you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's so good.
Speaker 3: It's like a painting. Yeah, that movie is is epic
Speaker 3: on another level. Yeah, incredible, But yeah, thank you for
Speaker 3: liking Atlas. I will you know what I actually over Christmas,
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I'm going to watch
Speaker 3: this again. I'm want to watch my movie again soon.
Speaker 3: I never do that, but I was like, I just
Speaker 3: think I might need to watch it again to like
Speaker 3: understand what I made and come to terms with the
Speaker 3: process that I went through, you know, because I was
Speaker 3: very proud of a lot of it, and then there
Speaker 3: are parts of it, and again I think when you
Speaker 3: create something, you're kind of like you judge it by
Speaker 3: the worst parts for sure, you know. And and then
Speaker 3: the critics hated it, and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: you guys are so mean.
Speaker 1: That was it was honestly so undeserved.
Speaker 3: It was weird. I never experienced an like that.
Speaker 1: Cause I read that I didn't like read reviews. I
Speaker 1: saw the percent and I was like, what, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: But I knew you were coming, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to watch this movie. And I watched it
Speaker 1: and I was unlike, this is not real. These reviews
Speaker 1: are not real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was so good. I think we hit
Speaker 3: some sort of weird and I think it's really mean
Speaker 3: and unfortunate, but we hit like a weird Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 3: negative zeitgeist moment.
Speaker 1: And it was like a week or two be before
Speaker 1: your movie came out.
Speaker 3: The public was like chatting about her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was aware of that because I knew
Speaker 1: we've known each other for I don't know, a year
Speaker 1: and a half hours. Yeah, and I knew that going
Speaker 1: into when your movie was coming.
Speaker 3: Out, And I was like, it's really unfair too, because
Speaker 3: Jen's like very hard working, on time, courteous. I mean,
Speaker 3: she's she's a boss lady. Like don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: like she's handling business like that's a hot But in
Speaker 3: my mind, I'm like, that's a professional right there, Like
Speaker 3: that woman knows what she's doing and she's done it
Speaker 3: for a long time and like that needs to be respected.
Speaker 3: So when all that stuff started stirring up, and I
Speaker 3: don't I'm not like a tabloid god, I don't even
Speaker 3: I don't even like I live in Los Angeles, but
Speaker 3: I live out by the mountains. Like I'm not like
Speaker 3: a hollywoody like go to all the parties. I've never
Speaker 3: really been that guy. I'm just like not, I'm too awkward, man,
Speaker 3: I just like I'm just standing there like too real. Well,
Speaker 3: I just don't want to like, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I just don't want to do that. I
Speaker 3: just I don't get much from your thing. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I feel like also like I did all that stuff
Speaker 3: when I was young, and now I'm like I just
Speaker 3: want to like watch movies, hang out with my girlfriend,
Speaker 3: my fiance, let's go and then you know, watch movies, write, read, paint, travel,
Speaker 3: That's what I want to do. Life. Yeah, I love
Speaker 3: that life. I love my life in that regard family,
Speaker 3: art And if we want to talk about business, like
Speaker 3: let's go have lunch or sit in a meeting and
Speaker 3: talk about making something cool. But like going and doing
Speaker 3: the scene, I'm just not It's never really been my thing,
Speaker 3: you know, Like and I'm kind of jealous of people
Speaker 3: who can make deals at parties. I've never been able
Speaker 3: to do that. I don't understand it. Some people that's
Speaker 3: how they operate. They go to a party, they strike
Speaker 3: up conversations, and they're making deals many they're doing or work.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems insane. It's just how it is. But
Speaker 3: it's cool. Like it's cool for them. I got nothing
Speaker 3: against it, Like they can do their thing. It's just
Speaker 3: not me. Sure. I just never worked for me, you know,
Speaker 3: So I never really paid attention to a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: But I felt like Atlas got bashed in this wave
Speaker 3: of Jennifer Lopez. Yes, and it was really unfortunate because
Speaker 3: I was like, when I saw some of the reviews
Speaker 3: and the way they reviewed it, I was like, what
Speaker 3: did you think I was making? Like it's like Jennifer
Speaker 3: Lopez in a mech suit and they're like, this AI
Speaker 3: movie isn't realistic enough, And I'm like, what I didn't
Speaker 3: say this movie was telling you about what AI was
Speaker 3: going to be doing, Like, yeah, this is an adventure film,
Speaker 3: wholesome action fiction. I didn't I didn't understand, you know,
Speaker 3: and I just felt like problematic message, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was because AI.
Speaker 1: There's all these people in fear about AI.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly. Well, and also a movie they were
Speaker 3: like there was this moment where I actually thought it
Speaker 3: was going to help us, where like AI became like
Speaker 3: in the media. What I didn't realize was that everyone
Speaker 3: was taking it like really really seriously, like and I
Speaker 3: get it, like, yeah, jobs are in jeopardy, but I
Speaker 3: was like, my movie's not about that. My movie was
Speaker 3: never I started this movie five years before it came out,
Speaker 3: so like, how do you predict that part of it?
Speaker 1: It's also like benevolent and malevolent AI. It's like how it.
Speaker 3: Can and people I don't think really want it. They
Speaker 3: wanted AI to be bad, humans to be good, and
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Just the same thing over it.
Speaker 3: I agree. I didn't make that movie because I was like,
Speaker 3: we've seen that movie. It's called Terminator, Yeah, Tomato three.
Speaker 3: Like I was just like, we can't do that, you know,
Speaker 3: like we've done that. That's not that interesting to me.
Speaker 3: So there was a it was sort of like a
Speaker 3: just a bad timing on a bunch across the board.
Speaker 3: But you know, I feel like the people that saw
Speaker 3: it really enjoy a lot of people saw it. A
Speaker 3: lot of those people enjoyed it, and it did very well.
Speaker 3: It did very well. Yeah, but it's still stung. Like
Speaker 3: you know, the movie came out, no one saw it coming,
Speaker 3: you know, like my my agents, like I didn't see
Speaker 3: it coming, and it was like pretty pretty brutal couple
Speaker 3: of days.
Speaker 1: I think you can relate to me here where or
Speaker 1: I can relate to you as well. And I think
Speaker 1: you'll know I'm being serious when I say I completely
Speaker 1: understand that experience, being that we have been having these experiences,
Speaker 1: which you have now yeah yourself. Yeah, and everyone was,
Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, pretty awful about it,
Speaker 1: and it stings.
Speaker 3: But you mean with your family, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I like, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3: It sucks, yeah, in a different way, but yeah, just
Speaker 3: being judged in any way publicly, it seems unfair because
Speaker 3: you're not signing up. Listen, I take the criticism and
Speaker 3: stride because I know, as a filmmaker, if I make
Speaker 3: a film that's really successful. By the way, I don't
Speaker 3: think the critics really have ever given me, Like I
Speaker 3: think Sandra's is like fifty or something like none of
Speaker 3: my movies have ever gotten reviewed in any like great way,
Speaker 3: and not in my control. I can't stress about things
Speaker 3: I can't control. I just don't do that, right. I
Speaker 3: understand that if the movie makes a lot of money,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be like, Wow, that filmmaker is fantastic. The
Speaker 3: movie feels are gonna say that filmmaker is terrible, and
Speaker 3: it's just like that, so you but it is and
Speaker 3: so I and I'm like, okay, well let's just deal
Speaker 3: with that straight on. That's just what it is. No problem,
Speaker 3: Like I'm signing that contract. I want to go be
Speaker 3: a filmmaker. Fine, So I kind of just go, oh well,
Speaker 3: like I can't control. This doesn't feel good, but you
Speaker 3: have to just kind of go like, all right, next,
Speaker 3: like I'll take some lessons out of this and you're
Speaker 3: moving forward, you know, like forget Like also, like how
Speaker 3: can you please everybody? So if everything you can't?
Speaker 1: So critics thing is it's so subjective to all of it.
Speaker 3: It's these single people.
Speaker 4: It's their opinion of the movie and that's it. But
Speaker 4: most people take that as like gospel.
Speaker 3: Can I'll tell you my favorite review I've ever gotten
Speaker 3: one of my films I've never told this story ever.
Speaker 3: I would love to hear it. When I made my
Speaker 3: first movie, my first movie was Cats and Dogs two,
Speaker 3: The Revenge of Kiddy Galore Sick.
Speaker 1: I used to love that.
Speaker 3: I was twenty seven years old. It was an eighty
Speaker 3: million dollar movie. There was no script when I signed
Speaker 3: onto it, and the reason it got momentum was I
Speaker 3: would storyboard action sequences. Oh cool, like like comedic action
Speaker 3: bits for the animals to do, and they in the
Speaker 3: studio sign and was like, they called my agent said
Speaker 3: he's elevating this movie, like this is way better than
Speaker 3: we had. And so I was like, oh, this is cool.
Speaker 3: I'm twenty seven years old and I'm like an eighty
Speaker 3: million dollar movies a big I mean two short films
Speaker 3: before that, damn. Yeah, so this was like a big deal.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I was just freaking out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, my hairline was like the stress was just killing
Speaker 3: me on a daily basis. I was like, my I
Speaker 3: literally like aged five years on that movie. Literally literally literally,
Speaker 3: I have like the like the the innards of like
Speaker 3: a one hundred and fifty year old man. You know, all
Speaker 3: my organs are destroyailing, They're destroyed. Yeah. No, it's bad.
Speaker 3: So I that movie came out, didn't do very well,
Speaker 3: and one person reviewed the movie and said that I
Speaker 3: had put back cinema fifteen to twenty years.
Speaker 1: What are you serious?
Speaker 3: Brad Peyton, the director of has single handly so ridiculous,
Speaker 3: pushed cinema back, imagine, And I was just like, wow,
Speaker 3: I'm really powerful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize I could push cinema back twenty years. Absurd.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's crazy to me is I was like,
Speaker 3: this person wrote this thing. I'm a twenty seven year
Speaker 3: old kid, made my first movie, and you're telling me
Speaker 3: I sent cinema back twenty five years. So I was like,
Speaker 3: it's so extreme. Even at that point, I was just like, man,
Speaker 3: are you just nasty for no real? Like how unhappy
Speaker 3: are you? Yeah? Like, my god, I made a kid's
Speaker 3: movie yeah, talking animals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like it was the first kids movie
Speaker 3: with talking animals. I was like, you know, And then honestly,
Speaker 3: like I felt blessed because I couldn't afford rent. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I had twelve hundred dollars in my bank account, was
Speaker 3: living in a spare room in someone's house in West
Speaker 3: in Hollywood, and I got this and I worked my
Speaker 3: ass off to get this gig, and then and then
Speaker 3: work my ass off on the gig. And then after
Speaker 3: all that, after working on this movie for two years,
Speaker 3: I get these people telling me I've set back cinema
Speaker 3: twenty five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like what, I don't even have a
Speaker 1: response for that, Like that is so stupid. It's whoever
Speaker 1: you are out there, it's mean.
Speaker 3: It's mean. It took that movie so seriously. I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, Okay, it's a tragedy. It's it's
Speaker 3: I know, it's not Macbeth, right, like I never set
Speaker 3: out to make I can.
Speaker 1: Imagine being twenty seven and like reading that after your first.
Speaker 3: Movie, it's a kid's movie. Are they taking it so seriously? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like when I saw Sonic last week, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know.
Speaker 3: Going to Sonic thinking, you know you're gonna see Anura.
Speaker 3: It's a talking it's a talking hedgehog that moves the
Speaker 3: speed of sound. That was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that deep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was never meant to be. Yeah, I'm agreeing
Speaker 3: to this. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's the contract I'm
Speaker 3: signing and I watched.
Speaker 4: My favorite is when people like try to critique like Transformers,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Like I just watched a truck punch
Speaker 4: a jet, right, Yeah, why are we really inserting logic
Speaker 4: into this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I just wanted to watch a truck punch
Speaker 3: a minivans that. Sometimes it's that simple, Like sometimes you're
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I just want to go see a
Speaker 3: giant machine punch and other jar awesome movies. That's all
Speaker 3: those movies.
Speaker 1: That's why I love San Andres. That's why I love Rampage. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I like sometimes just to watch a movie that's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's an earthquake that's making a tsunami
Speaker 1: destroy the city. It's not it's not that deep, but
Speaker 1: it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you're just there for a fun, good
Speaker 3: time and like to be like, wow, I just went
Speaker 3: on a roller coaster. Yes, you know, like it's a
Speaker 3: huge albino gorilla. Like it's like it's sick, it's it's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's why with that a lot of it, I was
Speaker 3: just like, man, I couldn't have predicted it. I can't.
Speaker 3: I don't really carry it in the same way when
Speaker 3: I was twenty seven and they told me I set
Speaker 3: back cinema twenty five years. That didn't feel good. But
Speaker 3: now I'm like, okay, guys, all right, you know, like
Speaker 3: and the thing is is that, like I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm pretty even keel, like I I would like to
Speaker 3: be a movie critic, like I get it, Like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't like, yeah, this is cool. I don't think I
Speaker 3: would be nasty, right, you know what I mean like that,
Speaker 3: but some of it's just nasty. You wonder where that
Speaker 3: comes from?
Speaker 4: Unhappiness for sure, trying to just like pull somebody down
Speaker 4: to your level of unhappiness that week.
Speaker 3: So I think so, But so I don't take too
Speaker 3: you know, it too seriously. But you wanted to say something, Alex,
Speaker 3: that's so intense.
Speaker 1: It was nasty towards nasty people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, again, Like everyone's got a job. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: even keel with it, Like I get it. I signed
Speaker 3: the contract. I'm a filmmaker. You're gonna critique my film. Sure,
Speaker 3: everyone's got a job to do. You know. I support
Speaker 3: like you know, also the critics what I love about
Speaker 3: them as they go, Hey, no one in the like
Speaker 3: I'm a movie fan. I watch movies almost every day,
Speaker 3: like almost every you know, I haven't watched movies since
Speaker 3: I've been here, but like if I wasn't here, literally,
Speaker 3: you know, if you asked Ela, he's like, yes, he
Speaker 3: watches something every day. I watch movies every day. It's awesome.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of people that don't. And what
Speaker 3: critics are really good at is, hey, you guys are
Speaker 3: not paying attention to this little film Anura. Everyone should
Speaker 3: go see this little film Anura. And that's awesome. And
Speaker 3: I love that about it, where they're bolstering the medium
Speaker 3: and the bolstering the audience and getting people intrigued and
Speaker 3: getting people open to new things, and also the films
Speaker 3: that aren't put out by one of the major studios,
Speaker 3: Like you got to get people that are aware that
Speaker 3: maybe don't have access easily to those things, because a
Speaker 3: lot of people just want to come home, turn on Netflix,
Speaker 3: watch it, not think about it. If you have to
Speaker 3: go searching around for this little indie film, you may
Speaker 3: not even know to look for it, let alone how
Speaker 3: to find it. So I love that critics do that.
Speaker 3: They bolster the sort of the smaller movies or they say, hey,
Speaker 3: this big movie over here is really saying something really important.
Speaker 3: But you know, I know Marvel doesn't need you know,
Speaker 3: great reviews. Everyone everyone wants to see Marvel movies. I
Speaker 3: want to see Marvel movies. It's like that doesn't do
Speaker 3: much for me. Sure, you know, so I just sort
Speaker 3: of take it all all on stride. I'm not mad
Speaker 3: about any of it. You know, I get it, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like there's a reality in which
Speaker 3: I could never have been a filmmaker and I might
Speaker 3: have been a critic, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: that's how I think about it. I'm like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: do your thing, man, Like you have to tell your
Speaker 3: truth and get that out there. Just why are so mean?
Speaker 3: I did not set back?
Speaker 1: So I did not do I do not have that power.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that like, you know, made me okay
Speaker 3: at like the twenty seven year old it's just like
Speaker 3: shake is as like this massive film fan. I'm like
Speaker 3: they're shaking to me to my core at twenty seven,
Speaker 3: being like you're terrible, you made a terrible movie. I
Speaker 3: was just like I had to turn it into a
Speaker 3: joke of like you really think this twenty seven year
Speaker 3: old guy from a town nine thousand people can set
Speaker 3: back like I'm a powerful man. It's so interesting. It
Speaker 3: is funny. Yeah, I had to laugh at it because
Speaker 3: I was like, this is making me want to cry
Speaker 3: so much. It was so mean.
Speaker 1: That's terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I think of and I haven't even seen this movie,
Speaker 1: but when I think of a movie that's set back
Speaker 1: sent them a you know, to twenty to twenty five years,
Speaker 1: I think, like Megalopolis.
Speaker 3: Right, I have not seen it.
Speaker 1: I haven't either, but I've heard you know, it's like
Speaker 1: one of the worst things ever. Yeah, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: will say this one more thing about Atlas, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at the clock here and I'm like, oh, crap,
Speaker 1: we do have some plans tonight, so we'll kind of
Speaker 1: wrap up with your thing. I have to say that.
Speaker 1: And there were so many scenes in Atlas that that
Speaker 1: were amazing and I don't have enough time to cover
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 3: But when they were dropping.
Speaker 1: From the ship, yeah, I was like.
Speaker 3: That's one of the few sequences that barely changed it
Speaker 3: all from my storyboards.
Speaker 1: Because like they're dropping from the ship in their suits,
Speaker 1: the drones are after the ambush, yeah, and it's like
Speaker 1: all this like slow motion stuff and the mex are
Speaker 1: just like fighting in the air, but it's like falling
Speaker 1: rapidly towards the planet. It was just so insane. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this this, this movie is amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wanted to overwhelm the audience a little bit.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be like, oh my god, this is intense.
Speaker 1: It worked.
Speaker 3: Should we talk a little bit about what might be
Speaker 3: coming down the road? Let's do it. Well, what would
Speaker 3: you what? What would you think your audience would want
Speaker 3: to know? How would you like to phrase the question?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. By the way, we have time tomorrow, so
Speaker 3: we could also get Daxon Peter in here tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That well, the thing we got to think about
Speaker 1: is they have full time jobs, so it's like we.
Speaker 3: Can call them stick for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, we can work that part out later.
Speaker 3: I feel like we need to at least give you
Speaker 3: a little tease of what might be coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what do you uh, let's let's just say,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I think your dad has a very interesting story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think the story needs to be told in
Speaker 3: film form right basically, And I'm I'm very excited by
Speaker 3: the possibility of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's been a fun weekend. Yeah, And there
Speaker 1: has been a lot of discussion, a lot of learning
Speaker 1: about our story. We could maybe say that and just
Speaker 1: sharing all of these events that have happened to us,
Speaker 1: and going to locations and or sets rather where these
Speaker 1: things have happened, and and yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to say other than it's been a great time.
Speaker 1: You know, the sky watching last night, we probably saw
Speaker 1: I don't know, one hundred orbs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you to talk about that, like what that was, like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was really I mean, I've seen stuff.
Speaker 3: I've read your dad's book, I've seen things posted online,
Speaker 3: I've seen images, but to see it in person is
Speaker 3: it's different than I expected because they were so kind
Speaker 3: of high up and and you my sensation, my experience,
Speaker 3: having only done this once, was you try to rationalize it. First,
Speaker 3: you're like, what is what is is that a shooting star?
Speaker 3: Like what is this? And then you start going this
Speaker 3: is impossible that this is isn't that wouldn't this can't
Speaker 3: be shooting stars? You know this can't be And then
Speaker 3: you start recording it, and then when you start zooming
Speaker 3: in on the recordings, you're like, what am I seeing here,
Speaker 3: so the and then also your dad's innate ability to
Speaker 3: kind of sense them, which is extra bizarre, like like
Speaker 3: he's he's an earnest, humble, genuine person, and so he's
Speaker 3: not the type of person I don't even know if
Speaker 3: your dad is capable of blowing smoke, Like he's just
Speaker 3: not that kind of guy at all, like zero percent.
Speaker 3: And so like when your dad's like, we need to
Speaker 3: be outside five to six, and you're like, and you
Speaker 3: were like, we need to be outside five I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, not probably, Well, we're not gonna go anywhere,
Speaker 3: we'll be we'll be ready. And we're at like a
Speaker 3: five thirty and sure enough, five to six it starts
Speaker 3: and I was like, now, because I'd never experienced before,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, yeah, this is this is cool,
Speaker 3: this is cool. And then it got more and more active,
Speaker 3: and it got like it became a lot and a
Speaker 3: certain points there's like five moving lights in the sky
Speaker 3: moving erradically, and you're like, this is so strange. It Honestly,
Speaker 3: it wasn't until the second time we went out and
Speaker 3: saw nothing did I go, oh shit, this okay, now
Speaker 3: this just got really interesting because he didn't say we
Speaker 3: need to go out now. Yeah, he didn't say any
Speaker 3: of that. It was it was Dax. It was one
Speaker 3: of the let's step out again. Yeah, and so now
Speaker 3: put yourself in my shoes, and now we go outside
Speaker 3: for half an hour and see nothing. And in the
Speaker 3: first hour earlier we did, we saw like one hundred
Speaker 3: lights firing around the sky within an hour. So it
Speaker 3: puts it into the context where you're like, huh, this
Speaker 3: guy like I you know, basically he's like, we need
Speaker 3: to go and be there.
Speaker 1: I can feel this has happening in advance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yea far and it's like, oh yeah, he
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, we got to go out at this time.
Speaker 3: And then it was like super consistent, but like off
Speaker 3: and on, but like overall within an hour, incredibly consistent.
Speaker 3: And again, like I think any rational person, any person
Speaker 3: that's not like connected to it, you're gonna start going
Speaker 3: what is it? You're gonna try to answer it in
Speaker 3: your mind, but it can't really be answered, you know,
Speaker 3: especially when you go back and you look at the
Speaker 3: videos and you're like, hey, this doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 3: These things are changing colors, like rapidly changing colors. They
Speaker 3: look like they're going in a straight line to your eye.
Speaker 3: But then when you record them, you see there's like
Speaker 3: little micro movements all over the place. There's like movement
Speaker 3: even within the lights there's movement. You're like, okay, this
Speaker 3: is this is very odd. But it wasn't until we
Speaker 3: went out the second time and there was nothing that
Speaker 3: I go like that I realized like, Okay, I truly
Speaker 3: believe this person has a connection with these things because
Speaker 3: he can sort of sense it. And then like, for example,
Speaker 3: if it were satellites, they'd be going all night like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's no there's no media showers, don't have meteor showers
Speaker 3: shooting in all ways.
Speaker 1: They were crossing.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was all over the place. So again
Speaker 3: like no matter how like logic, once you're there in person,
Speaker 3: you're experiencing it. Even then, I think you can have
Speaker 3: doubts and you can question. I think it's I think
Speaker 3: it's a sane person would do that the first time
Speaker 3: they see it. But then as you get more experience
Speaker 3: or you see the drastic difference between hey, I sense them,
Speaker 3: we need to go outside to okay, let's just go
Speaker 3: outside and look at the sky and there's nothing. Right now,
Speaker 3: You're like Okay, I this is now different.
Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on that.
Speaker 3: Well, I just internalize everything.
Speaker 1: Well, it's because my perspective is a little different than yours.
Speaker 1: It's been my whole life, right, And I didn't even
Speaker 1: consider the idea that like, yeah, that is kind of
Speaker 1: interesting when you say it that way, that we go
Speaker 1: out again, and and in reality, the second time we
Speaker 1: went out, there were maybe one or two, right, It
Speaker 1: wasn't zero, it was like one or two yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was like still and we were probably out
Speaker 1: there the second time for maybe forty minutes right at most.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even consider that element where it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, that is interesting that you say that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Dad that was like we got to go out.
Speaker 1: It was uh, it was Dax and we're all just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's step out there. Yeah. He didn't have that sense.
Speaker 1: So the fact that it impacted you that way is
Speaker 1: very profound.
Speaker 3: Well, and also you have to think like if it's
Speaker 3: if it's again going to the like the like I
Speaker 3: think I'm like a healthy I'm open, but I'm a
Speaker 3: healthy skeptic. You're practical, Yeah, i am, I'm very just
Speaker 3: kind of like I want to understand this in a
Speaker 3: practical way. So you go through the practical steps in
Speaker 3: your head, the logical steps in your head first to
Speaker 3: kind of go like, could it be this could be
Speaker 3: the when I went out the second time, was an
Speaker 3: opportunity to kind of do that for me. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, there's no way it's a meteor shower.
Speaker 3: There's no way it's satellites. Like if it were planes
Speaker 3: or satellites or drones or any of these things, it
Speaker 3: wouldn't show up for an hour of crazy movement in
Speaker 3: all directions and then.
Speaker 1: Not and all these different colors yeah, green, or It.
Speaker 3: Took a while to kind of digest it and then
Speaker 3: go like, Okay, this is really something and your and
Speaker 3: your father has a genuine connection with it. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: he's moved by it, you know. And to see him
Speaker 3: be moved by it, and you know he's had obviously
Speaker 3: very very extreme, unique experiences and that's like given him
Speaker 3: this connection as we're like I have not had some
Speaker 3: of those. I've had some experiences, but nothing like what
Speaker 3: he's had. And to see him have that interaction in
Speaker 3: a real way, yeah, you go, Okay, there's real. This
Speaker 3: is real like, I'm seeing something here.
Speaker 1: You see how emotional it makes him. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: probably seen half a dozen times in the last you know,
Speaker 1: whatever thirty hours or whatever we've been together that he'll
Speaker 1: just randomly just start breaking into tears because he's telling
Speaker 1: you something that happened. And it's like, even me, I
Speaker 1: can remember the exact point in my life when that
Speaker 1: started happening when he would just start breaking into tears,
Speaker 1: and it was after the lady came, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. You can see that he's really been through
Speaker 1: it and he really has this connection. And even me
Speaker 1: when at one point before we went out the second time,
Speaker 1: we were all talking about something and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna step outside real quick and probe this guy.
Speaker 1: I walked outside, I looked up for a minute, said
Speaker 1: I thank you, looked at the stars while so beautiful,
Speaker 1: didn't feel light, and I was just like, okay, that's okay.
Speaker 3: Went back inside.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the sense. I was just like, I
Speaker 1: want to probe this guy. Right, didn't see anything?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, you know, yeah, he has a he's special person.
Speaker 3: He has a connection. You know, he's also just very
Speaker 3: emotionally attune, yeah, to a lot of things. Empathic, yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he's definitely an EmPATH. Like he's so emotionally
Speaker 3: a tune. Yeah, it's it's it's kind of inspiring because
Speaker 3: it's such there's such purity there, you know, Like it's
Speaker 3: not something you see a lot. And it's very upsetting
Speaker 3: to hear about how a community treated him, you know,
Speaker 3: or how the world might treat him, because you know,
Speaker 3: he's a genuinely like his humanity is at one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Well, he's been like to the gates of Hell basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: and came back. And I think he his whole thing
Speaker 1: is terribly Yeah, and in many ways, not just by
Speaker 1: people even, but by circumstance, you know. And I think
Speaker 1: he just has a different understanding about like the value
Speaker 1: of life and compassion and what it means to help
Speaker 1: other people. He doesn't want anybody to suffer like he has. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's how he's raised us.
Speaker 3: He's very giving. He's a very giving person anyway, at
Speaker 3: the and at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 3: I just think his story deserves to be told. I
Speaker 3: told I describe him as a one of one. He's
Speaker 3: one of one. There's no one else like him. You know,
Speaker 3: like when I told some people I was coming out
Speaker 3: to meet him, I was just like, and they're like,
Speaker 3: what's he like? And I was like, he's a one
Speaker 3: of one. There's certain people you meet and you're like,
Speaker 3: there's no one else like this person. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and he has that thing and then his his story,
Speaker 3: his experience. I just think it's really really valuable and
Speaker 3: I don't think there's ever been a story like that,
Speaker 3: and it's very rare that as a storyteller, you come
Speaker 3: across a story and you're like, this is intense, this
Speaker 3: is so unique, This person is so unique that this
Speaker 3: story deserves to be told. And you know, I look
Speaker 3: at it as a very good, healthy challenge to try
Speaker 3: to tell it at the highest level. Yeah, and have
Speaker 3: the most people exposed to ithathetically, hypothetically.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you saying that. And it's like music
Speaker 1: to my ears. And you know, it's been a fun weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been awesome. Thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 3: Oh guy scared away your partner though.
Speaker 1: No, he actually had a work call. He's on call
Speaker 1: right now, so he has quietly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it just is what it is. Man, So.
Speaker 1: This was your idea, by the way, to do the podcast.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 3: I like your podcast. I would have never asked, really, no,
Speaker 3: oh man, you need a little Do you need to
Speaker 3: sprinkle more of Hollywood in you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, hey, that's that's maybe you're right.
Speaker 3: I was what was the you always uh ask forgiveness
Speaker 3: not permission.
Speaker 1: That's right, like we did today going down into the river.
Speaker 3: I said that it wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1: I said that the Peter, which, by the way, Peter,
Speaker 1: he's a friend of mine now, but he's he's Brad's
Speaker 1: a good friend who's with us. I was telling him
Speaker 1: that today, like, yeah, dude, we're so lucky, we're going
Speaker 1: down into the river. We're gonna ask for forgiveness not permission.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that you said that, but that's the
Speaker 3: way I think you kind of have to be. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just like just agree, just do just do everything you
Speaker 3: can while you can. Yeah, you should not be so shy.
Speaker 3: You should have you should invite everybody on here. It's
Speaker 3: a good show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, and I resonate with like a
Speaker 1: lot of what you said, like your vision of a director. Obviously,
Speaker 1: what we're doing is.
Speaker 3: On a small level.
Speaker 1: We get like fifty thousand views a month or something,
Speaker 1: and I'm grateful for that. But I know your your
Speaker 1: content that you create for the world is at such
Speaker 1: a high level. I I am inspired by like how
Speaker 1: you you know, create and your vision about things.
Speaker 3: It's it's very inspiring.
Speaker 1: It's very humbling that you're sitting here before me and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, hearing all this got.
Speaker 3: Me to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool and a good time. Awesome. We have a
Speaker 1: very very mundane, not that deep exit ritual where we
Speaker 1: say bye guys, and it's just become part of the
Speaker 1: show and that's all. Yeah, just look at the camera.
Speaker 3: So thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: We have to go SkyWatch like now, so we're done
Speaker 1: and uh till next time.
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