WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:10.800 Thad Phillips was a regular kid in the nineties. He 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:15.039 loves sports and collecting baseball cards, But little did he 3 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:19.559 know one evening would change his world forever. Today's story 4 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:22.879 is the story of Fad Phillips, and it is a 5 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:28.160 survival story, a story about enduring and fighting for one's life. 6 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:32.799 But it's not only that. It's also a story about 7 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:35.759 just how dark humanity really can get. 8 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.000 My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to 9 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:48.000 Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcasting. The following podcasts 10 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:50.840 and material intended for a. 11 00:00:50.799 --> 00:01:16.599 Mature audience listener discretion. He's advised, Oh, it's cold. It's cold, 12 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.439 like cold, cold, like colder than it usually is. 13 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:20.519 For some reason, I see cold. 14 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.239 It is like it's cold on my hands. Or maybe 15 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:27.200 I'm just oh, maybe I'm just warmer than normal because 16 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.760 summer is actually finally fucking here. I think that's what 17 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:31.400 it is. Never mind, I solve the problem. 18 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.719 Yay, we have like twenty degree weather. 19 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.879 It's a back so nice, it's finally here. I can't 20 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:41.519 get enough of it, which which we just decided today 21 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:43.879 that we're finally going to go mountain biking because snow 22 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:44.959 is actually gone. Yeah. 23 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:48.319 Actually, I was driving around today looking for locations for 24 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.079 photo shoots, and I was like, why did I not, Like, 25 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:54.200 did I not plan to go paddleboarding for like an 26 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:55.719 hour somewhere? Wrong? 27 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:56.120 I didn't. 28 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.319 You, I don't know the water would be cold as shit? 29 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:00.799 Oh yeah for sure. 30 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.719 But so like you would hope that you wouldn't fall in, 31 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:05.879 I guess would you risk that? 32 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.199 Isn't that usually the hope when you go paddle boarding 33 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:09.159 that you don't fall in? 34 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.159 Well, unless you're like wearing your bathing suit, you're ready to. 35 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.599 Go, but then that's just swimming. Yeah, because the point 36 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.719 of paddle boarding is to be on the board, is 37 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:18.039 it not? 38 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.919 It is, So I'm debating going paddle boarding as well. 39 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.520 But it's like it's a little bit scarier than mountain biking, 40 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:25.360 as if you fall and you're gonna. 41 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:29.439 Fuck touche toochee. But the point is we're actually gonna 42 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:33.680 be getting to enjoy summer soon, warm outdoor activities, not 43 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:36.479 just cooped up in a tiny home surrounded by snow 44 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.280 and darkness. Yeah, so that's always a bonus. 45 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.879 It feels like we're just like breathing in life again. 46 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:45.680 Hey, oh definitely, And speaking of breathing in, you breathed 47 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.000 in many donuts on the weekend. 48 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:48.639 I did. 49 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.280 I don't know if anyone knows what like mini donuts 50 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.599 specifically are from, like a fair, Yeah, like the tiny ones, 51 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:56.159 like the cinnamon sugar on it that. 52 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:59.800 Are basically just like deep right to glorious. 53 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:03.360 Yeah, it's basically crack in the shape of a donut. Yeah, delicious. 54 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.560 So we just had a local little comic con here 55 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:08.879 this past weekend called Northern Fan Con. I go every year, 56 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:10.960 and you stop buying, and you're just like, oh, you 57 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.240 have a little bit of a good time. You see 58 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:14.599 me while I'm there, And of course there was a 59 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.319 food truck with mini donuts and you indulged. 60 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:20.159 Oh yeah, I go. I go every year too, I'm 61 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.080 pretty sure. I don't know if I've missed a year. 62 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:22.960 Have I missed a year? 63 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.639 I don't think so. Possibly, But you only go because 64 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:28.680 you support me. Yeah, I'm a nerd dressing up in 65 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:32.439 costumes and selling stuff and doing the whole nine thing. 66 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.199 So yeah, And like, they don't always have many donuts, 67 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.080 so that was a perk, but they usually have delicious lemonade, 68 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:40.199 so I yeah, there are some perks for me. 69 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.199 Well, and you did bring me mini donuts too. I 70 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.319 shouldn't say you're the only one. You brought me many donuts, 71 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:46.159 so I was really happy. 72 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:49.120 Yeah, we didn't need those mini donuts, but they hit good. 73 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:53.479 They did. Before we get into the show today, before 74 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:55.560 we talk a bit about Fad Phillips, we of course 75 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:59.840 got a Thike Patriot thank our patrons, Yes we do. 76 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:01.800 So we had a few patrons sign up this week 77 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.159 over on Patreon. We had Dan Kane, Roger Reid and 78 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.439 read Autumn join us over on Patreon. Thank you yo, 79 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:10.960 Thank you guys. And they're actually getting awesome. They're getting 80 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:14.639 an extra Patreon episode. They are because we kind of 81 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:17.920 dropped the ball and a little delayed on the episode 82 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:20.160 from the previous month. Yes, so we're making it up 83 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.319 to them. They're getting an extra exclusive episode. 84 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:25.920 Yeah. So yeah, can we have something else to talk 85 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:28.959 about here? And this is kind of exciting. So we 86 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:33.319 did a second launch of our artisan mugs, we did, Yeah, 87 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.279 And so we launched them I don't even know, Friday. 88 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.240 Friday at eight a m. Pacific Standard time. 89 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.639 Okay, and it was not a complete shit show this time. 90 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:43.240 It wasn't. 91 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:45.040 And there's still some left there. 92 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.079 Is, so if you guys want them, link is going 93 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.040 to be in the description of this podcast. We'll find 94 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:50.680 out how long they last. But there are a few 95 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:52.040 left over on our Etsy shop. 96 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:52.639 Yeah. 97 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.120 So last time we broke Etsy and they like banned 98 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:57.839 our shop, we had to go ask for it back 99 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.319 because they were selling so quick. But this time, the 100 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.399 first day went half of them sold and we still 101 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:05.319 got a few left. So go check it out if 102 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:06.079 you want them. Yeah. 103 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:07.759 So they're a little bit bigger than last time. They're 104 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.560 a black pottery mug. They have like glazed drips on them, 105 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:12.639 and they say stay wicked. 106 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:14.639 They're pretty cool and like most of the cup is 107 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:19.000 still like the raw finish finish on it, which I 108 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:20.959 know is not for everybody. We're probably gonna do some 109 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.399 different ones down the road, but for now it's got 110 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:25.199 that like raw look to it and it says stay wicked. 111 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:25.639 Yeah. 112 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:27.680 So it's a fantastic way to have your coffee in 113 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:28.079 the morning. 114 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:29.120 Absolutely. 115 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:31.879 All right, Well, I think that's enough self promotion aside. 116 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:33.680 Let's talk about the story. You ready for it, Let's 117 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.959 do it? Okay, have you heard of bad Phillips? 118 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:37.120 Now? 119 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:38.680 No? 120 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:40.920 I am like I feel like I'm the worst true 121 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:44.040 crime fan ever now because half the shit I just 122 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:45.439 am like, no, I've never heard of it. 123 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.279 Well, I mean there is a lot out there, especially 124 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:52.519 when people like really talk about certain stories. It's everyone 125 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:56.000 has one that tends to sit with them. So it's like, oh, 126 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:58.240 this one, and then someone else be like, oh that one, 127 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.399 and then someone else, Oh, well this one. So the 128 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:04.319 list tends to go on and on and on. 129 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.839 There's no shortage of true crime cases. Let's just say that. 130 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.399 Yeah, which I don't think there ever is going to 131 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.279 be either, which is very unfortunate. 132 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:17.079 Yeah. I mean, it gives us a job or a 133 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.480 hobby or something or whatever you want to call it, 134 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:21.839 of sorts, but it also would the preference would be 135 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:22.839 to not have. 136 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:27.439 These, Yeah, to eliminate the crime in the world, the negativity, 137 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:32.079 the terrible shit that happens to people. Yeah, okay, well 138 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.120 let's talk about this terrible shit that absolutely happened to Fad. Okay. 139 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:40.279 So it starts on July twenty ninth, in nineteen ninety five, 140 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:42.959 and young thirteen year old boy by the name of 141 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:45.839 Thad Phillips. He was asleep on his couch in a 142 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.800 new home in Bearboo, Wisconsin. Him and his family had 143 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.079 just moved into the neighborhood and they'd only been there 144 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.079 at the new home for a few weeks. It was 145 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:55.879 a new sort of life for the family. They didn't 146 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.079 really know any of the neighbors in the block or anything, 147 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:00.680 you know. They were just kind of like the new people, right, Okay, 148 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:04.680 so they're settling in and that's just your normal young kid. 149 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.720 He was often outside playing sports, for example, with his friends, 150 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:14.079 enjoying the sunshine. He loved playing baseball, He loved collecting 151 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:20.720 baseball cards, football cards, standard nineties kit yep. And on 152 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.360 this particular night, he had fallen asleep on the couch. 153 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.240 He was up watching TV and he ended up drifting off, 154 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:31.680 so his sleep was eventually interrupted. He felt himself being 155 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:34.759 lifted off the couch and carried away. Now that had 156 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:36.800 recalled that his parents had taken him to bed when 157 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:39.279 he had passed out on the couch multiple times before. 158 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.759 So as he's being carried away, he expected being laid 159 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.759 into his bed next moment, But that's not quite what happened. 160 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.480 He was still half asleep, but that knew something was 161 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.759 kind of wrong. It wasn't his parents that was carrying 162 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.079 him off to his bed. A few moments later, he 163 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.480 kind of began to come out of his days when 164 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.279 he was realizing this wasn't quite right. He was looking 165 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:09.079 up at the stars in the sky above him at night. Jeez, 166 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.680 he was being carried away outside his house in someone 167 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:19.279 else's arms. No, that someone was another boy older than that, 168 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.839 but still definitely not an adult. He was about the 169 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:25.600 same age as his older brother, and that assumed that 170 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:27.680 it must be maybe one of his friends or something. 171 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:30.079 And this put the boy at about the age of 172 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.799 seventeen years old. The boy set Thad down on the cold, 173 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.080 damp ground and was calm and friendly when he asked 174 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.759 Thatad to run with them. It was an odd request. 175 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:42.559 It was the middle of the night and this boy 176 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:45.080 just carried him out of his house. But Thatad was 177 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:50.000 still dazed, quite out of it. He basically just woke up. Right. Yeah, 178 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.960 so he assumed, Okay, this guy's being nice. It seems 179 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.919 like he's acting normal, like okay, sure, so he just 180 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:00.720 trusted him and just complied, and without hesitation, just began 181 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:01.639 running down the road. 182 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.120 That's so innocent, Hey, yeah it is. 183 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.759 Oh, without a question, he trusted him. 184 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.759 Oh, my gosh. Well, because he's like, at that age, 185 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:14.919 you probably have no reason not to trust someone. 186 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:15.919 I guess definitely. 187 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:16.360 I don't know. 188 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.840 Oh So the two made their way off into the night, 189 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.159 and eventually they arrived at an old rundown house that 190 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.440 was about a mile away from where that had lived. 191 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:31.759 They stepped inside and the entire place was an absolute mess. 192 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:35.440 There was garbage strewn about the place and a sharp 193 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.480 stench of mold and rotting food lingered in the air. 194 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.840 The strange boy then turned to that and officially made 195 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:46.360 his introduction. He said that his name was Joe, and 196 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:48.360 he said he's having a party in which some people 197 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.240 will be coming by pretty quick. And he started listing 198 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:52.799 off a few names of people who are going to 199 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.240 be coming to said party, and to that surprise, he 200 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.759 actually recognized some of the names that he mentioned, some 201 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.039 people that he now goes to school with. 202 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:02.559 Oh wow, Okay, so. 203 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:07.320 It didn't seem like, okay, it's not so crazy to 204 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:10.320 think that this might happen. It's weird. He still kind 205 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.039 of dazed. He's a young kid. I mean, we're still 206 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:15.320 all learning the world at that point, right. 207 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:19.279 Yeah. Well, and then there's some familiality with recognizing of. 208 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:21.759 The names exactly, so that kind of grounds and makes 209 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:24.600 them think, okay, so that this isn't so weird because 210 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.080 I should know these people. It's they're going to be 211 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.240 here too, so they think they must think it's normal, 212 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.480 so I should think it's normal. Yeah, which I mean 213 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:36.159 clearly that's not going to be the case. 214 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.679 Oh my gosh. 215 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:44.240 So anyways, after listing some names, Joe said that while 216 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.159 they wait for everyone to show up for the said party, 217 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.000 he had some cool model cars upstairs in his room 218 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.960 that he wanted to show that and now that specifically 219 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:56.399 stated later on he didn't know why he did, but he, 220 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:01.440 without hesitation, again continued to follow the boys lead. He 221 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:04.279 continued to trust him. He followed him up the stairs 222 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.919 the dirty, run down house in the middle of the night. 223 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.240 He followed him into a room. And this is where 224 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.200 things would take their very dark turn. 225 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.039 Oh shit, what happened? 226 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:18.039 Well, what do you think happens? 227 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:23.159 So this is the kid's house, like where he lives, 228 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:23.840 like his home. 229 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:28.879 I never did find clarification exactly on that. I'm assuming 230 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:29.440 it's not. 231 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:35.759 Okay or like the innocent thirteen year old bad thinks 232 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:36.279 that it is. 233 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:40.840 Yes, I never did find clarification on the actual address 234 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:44.919 of this quote. Joe. I'm assuming this is not his place, 235 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.000 because later on he does have a mom and all 236 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.639 that sort of stuff, So I'm assuming it's not okay, 237 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.000 But I don't know whose house this really is. 238 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:54.559 I don't really even know what to think yet. This 239 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.080 is very fucked up because I'm literally my heart is 240 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.440 hurting because this thirteen year old boy is so pure 241 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.840 and innocent and just following everything, which this is just 242 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.360 seems there's just so many red flags that I. 243 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:14.759 Am but it's rat it's red flags for us as adults. Yes, 244 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:19.399 for a thirteen year old kid who's just trusting. It's 245 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:20.159 a little different. 246 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:23.039 But then still like at some point, like at that age, 247 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.039 like you're still taught that like strangers are bad, but 248 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.840 this this guy is still like very young and almost 249 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.200 kind of like only a few years older than him. Right, Yeah, 250 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.919 oh gosh, I mean shit, it's about to go down. Like, 251 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:38.399 I mean, what's in the sricen room? 252 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:41.879 Well, nothing particularly in this room, Like it's it's just 253 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:43.720 a room. There's a bed in the room. It's a bedroom, right, 254 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.240 It's a dirty house. There's garbage and it stinks. That 255 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.519 sort of stuff. So there's nothing overtly dangerous in the room, 256 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.960 per se. Okay, However, when they enter the room, Joe's 257 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.200 demeanor instantly flipped like a light switch. 258 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:58.600 Yikes. 259 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.000 He threw Fat down on the bed inside the room, 260 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.440 and he quickly sat next to him grabbed for one 261 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:08.360 of his legs. Thad, now being thrown to a bed, 262 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.000 was scared right well. Yeah, so he began to try 263 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.159 and fight back. But before he even had a chance 264 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.600 to defend himself, this older boy, Joe, who might I say, 265 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.279 is like twice his size, managed to get a hold 266 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:22.279 of his right foot, and with his foot in both 267 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:25.279 of his hands, he began to torque and twist sidewise 268 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:29.840 until all of a sudden, a loud snap was heard 269 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.879 and Thad felt the bone in his ankle give away 270 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:33.919 under the pressure. 271 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:40.320 Holy shit, you're kidding. Nope, seriously, Yes, just like went 272 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:42.559 from like just a super nice guy to an instant 273 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:46.600 he's just like breaking his foot, yes, ankle or whatever? Yes, 274 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:47.960 oh my gosh. 275 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.879 Okay, So after that, Joe took a step back, placed 276 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:54.919 his hands over his face and began kind of muttering 277 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:58.480 to himself, and Thad was in shock, not yet quite 278 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.399 feeling the full force of the the pain in his 279 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.080 now broken ankle, but he clearly knew the danger that 280 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.639 he was in now, so he knew he had. 281 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:09.720 To run well, and how do you even get out? 282 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:13.840 Like that's an injury, Like, how do you even escape now? 283 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.559 Exactly? I mean, he got up and he tried his 284 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.320 best he could to get out of the room, down 285 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:21.039 the stairs, through the kitchen towards the front door, but 286 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.960 like you said, he can't really his best pretty much 287 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.480 now is a quick hobble, which means it's really easy 288 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.159 for Joe to catch up to him. Awesome, which is 289 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:34.399 exactly what happened. So by the time he reached the 290 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:38.679 kitchen almost at the front door, Joe came up behind 291 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:40.879 him and grabbed him and tackled him to the floor. 292 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.519 As I mentioned, this boy was like easily twice his size, 293 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.879 so he overpowered him without a problem. 294 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.240 Well, I think broken ankle or not, he'd still be 295 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.720 able to probably catch him, like exactly, fuck is this guy? 296 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:58.159 Well, we'll get there. So he took him down and 297 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:00.720 then he dragged him from the kitchen into the living 298 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:04.279 room and then he threw him on the couch. Joe 299 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:09.559 then took Thad's right leg and lifted it up towards 300 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.440 Dad's head, extended it far beyond its normal range of motion, 301 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:16.759 and he pressed down with his full body weight on 302 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.759 the leg and then gave it a twist and hurt 303 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:21.679 another snap. 304 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.919 Oh my gosh, I am, I cannot like, we're how 305 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:28.759 far in? I'm not going to be mute too with 306 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.240 this episode. This is horrifine. 307 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:33.720 It's not a fun one. It's graphic. 308 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:38.480 I'm this is probably one you needed to have filmed 309 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:43.679 because I am. I can't do this. I can't even listen. 310 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:45.240 I'm like, I just want to take my headphones. 311 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.799 You've been squirming in your seat a lot. Yeah, Well, 312 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.639 to be fair, I was doing the very same thing 313 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.879 during researching of this episode. It's not fun, not fun 314 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:57.759 at all. And I can't imagine what Thad would be 315 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.000 going through. He's thirteen years old. 316 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.200 Well, I just can't even let fear and the agonizing pain. Yes, 317 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.879 I need something. I need something to like fiddle with here, 318 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:08.240 Like I gotta hold onto something. 319 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.600 Yeah, that coaster there you go, you to break it 320 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.600 here and a half. Eventually it's just cork, go for it. Well, 321 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.320 like I said that being thirteen though, and all this 322 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:21.720 unfathomable pain. Let's just say it like that, because apparently 323 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.000 breaking like femurs and stuff is one of the most 324 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:28.519 excruciating things a human can feel. Apparently, so he blacked 325 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:31.039 out as a result of this, and the injury that 326 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.360 he did just sustain in this moment was a broken 327 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.200 femur and a broken hip on the right side of 328 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.399 his body. And that's along with the broken ankle that 329 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.440 he already incurred on the right side of his body. 330 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:47.720 Wow, that was that's some intense injuries right there. Oh yeah, 331 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:49.840 I don't even know how well that would heal. Hey 332 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:51.159 your hip, well. 333 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:54.120 A hip is it can be very dangerous, especially it 334 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.600 gets like more into the pelvis because you have your 335 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:57.879 artery running through there. 336 00:16:58.279 --> 00:16:58.840 Yeah, if you. 337 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.720 Break that pelvis, that is a get to the hospital now, 338 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.240 because internal bleeding, Like you can bleed out and you're 339 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.720 gonna die very quickly. All it takes is for a 340 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:09.039 bone shard to puncture that artery and you're done. 341 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:11.240 Dang. 342 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:14.440 So when he did eventually wake up after blacking out, 343 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:18.359 there was of course this excruciating pain radiating down the 344 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:20.920 right side of his body into his leg hip as 345 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:24.839 a result of the injuries, and Joe was just sitting 346 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:29.000 there next to him, but he was now back to 347 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.039 how he was when they first met. He was calm, 348 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:38.119 he talked normal and being relatively kind instead of this bizarre, crazed, 349 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.960 wanting to break bones type monster. He actually even began 350 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:46.839 to explain to that you know what's going on. He 351 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:51.000 said that he had a fascination with bones and the 352 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.240 sound they made when they broke. 353 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.160 Seriously, yes, the seventeen. 354 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:02.119 Year old boy is fascinated by the sound of breaking bones. 355 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.920 Wow, that's really disturbing. 356 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.000 Yes, I mean it is. Let's paint this picture though 357 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.559 here outside of the breaking bones thing too, because he's 358 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:19.559 now friendly with them, and that actually began I became 359 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:22.599 getting friendly with Joe in this situation too, after he 360 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.119 woke up. It's a very odd situation to look back 361 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.039 on because Joe is now treating him as if he's 362 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:30.599 basically a friend, even though he already had kidnapped him 363 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.839 and really attacked him and they're strangers this whole thing, 364 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:39.720 so like that is also treating him the same way. 365 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.440 He's being nice and friendly even though he's on his couch, 366 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:46.599 kidnapped by him and with broken legs able leg Sorry, 367 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:48.160 so is he kind. 368 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:48.880 Of just playing nice? 369 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:51.400 So I must saying that's exactly what that's doing. He's 370 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:55.200 got ulterior motives. Yeah, he's trying to a stall Joe. 371 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:57.480 I was trying to figure out a way to escape. 372 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:02.279 He's trying to be befriend him in hopes that well, 373 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:06.359 maybe he's just gonna let me go. And then also 374 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:10.720 he's see trying to delay the possibility of an eventual 375 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:12.200 additional attack. 376 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.160 Yep, more broken bones. Yes, well, could you imagine being 377 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.880 held captive and this person is just like going on 378 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.359 about how he likes the sound of breaking bones. 379 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:24.519 Oh, and he's already broken. 380 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:26.799 Your bony Yeah, like quite a few of your bones. 381 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.000 And he's already proven to easily been able to overpower you, 382 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.480 and you have no way of preventing it from happening 383 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:38.759 again other than being nice. That is your current only 384 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:40.480 fucking weapon in this situation. 385 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:44.480 Oh my gosh, this is too much. 386 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.039 It's too much right now. I just want to point 387 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.680 out being nice is one thing, especially like to someone 388 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:55.400 who's like hurting you, but you are in excruciating pain 389 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:56.799 having to be nice. 390 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.359 That's the one time I feel like where you can 391 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.839 cut things kind of slip right where you like, if 392 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:04.839 you are a kind person and you're in pain, like 393 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:07.559 it's like fuck off because you're just in so much 394 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:09.400 excruciating pain, you're not thinking. 395 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:11.920 Oh yeah, you're overwhelmed. Yeah, so shit can go south 396 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.039 pretty quick in that sort of situation. But thatd has 397 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.000 to keep it together because he doesn't want to trigger 398 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.119 anything else to happen again. So through the rest of 399 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:24.680 this night, Joe did go to sleep, and he told 400 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:26.880 that as well to go ahead and get some sleep too, 401 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.640