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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: My children. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: This one was produced by one of our longtime producers,

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Miss barber Way. This season twelve, episode two ninety four

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of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the

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worst monsters are real.

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Speaker 4: Mm hm.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday night, nine fifty eight pm.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god, what's on?

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Speaker 5: You?

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Speaker 4: Give me your address?

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Speaker 3: My one free two nine North Jamaica Way. Gilbert is all.

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Speaker 4: Right, one three to nine North Jamaica, Ja.

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Speaker 3: Maakeaway. We have children house. I just saw my wife.

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Speaker 4: I think she's What happened? Oh no, no, I don't

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know if are you breathing?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 6: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, limbs.

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Speaker 4: Gets you over to.

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Speaker 5: Fire hold on.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: In a tan two story house adorned with palm trees

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and cacti, thirty six year old Mark Eric Pinsatti crouch

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next to his unresponsive wife, thirty three year old Sherry Pensatti.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and there are children in the house. I think

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I just found my wife. She's not breathing, she's I

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believe she's she's in the bathroom and there's water and

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soap everywhere, and there's blood I think. Okay, there's there's

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a big and medoma. Oh my god, my shoulder, my shoulder.

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Speaker 1: Mark was hysterical. He kept repeating that he and Sherry's

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children were home. He didn't know what happened. All he

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saw was wet bathroom and his beautiful wife lying naked

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and a mess of blood and liq with soap.

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Speaker 3: To be fair, take a deep breath from me. Okay, okay,

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I need to have a clear understanding of exactly what's

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going on.

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Speaker 5: I have Okay, I.

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Speaker 3: Find my wife. Okay, sorry, okay's I mean?

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Speaker 5: I mean?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, I understand, sir. I'm okay, okay, okay.

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My my wife is on the bathroom floor unresponsive. Look,

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I'm empty certified. I am in the military. Okay, I'm

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I'm a soldier, so I am used to this. But

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my wife and okay, she's unresponsive. Okay, can you do

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your firt CPR? Okay? How old is your wife? My

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wife was thirty three. O God, I'm telling you you're

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not dreaming. No, there's no moments, there's no call, there's

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no function.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck Mark was a certified EMT and a

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military man, but to see this much blood pooling around

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the woman he shared his life with was unbearable.

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Speaker 3: Was she underwater or how did this happen to? You know?

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We were taking a bath early in the day as

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I left during the backup, I went through sleep and

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I woke up and she wasn't next to me, so

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she for her I think the bath and her legs

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were in the way. It was really pale and no way.

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Speaker 7: Say you're on the fucking floor.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so my spending as you're with her earlier,

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you guys were only baths. You went to take a

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nap and then you came back, and she is not

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responsible to you, all right, I mean, hiver, let's get

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her flat on her back. What she's in her back?

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She's in her back. She'sn't okay because a big im

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over her fucking head. I think she's Oh my god,

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I think she slipped. I know she hit a fucking corner.

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Oh my god, Oh my god, she fucking slipped and

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fell O mother sucker. Fill Okay, let's let's all CPR. Okay,

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your knee instructions, Okay, isn't she'll hang in the house. However,

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please don't fucking traumatize them. Okay, I don't know how

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to deal with this with them. I don't Why don't

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see traumatized.

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Speaker 8: There?

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Speaker 3: Maybe have them leave the room and then you can

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start sleeping. Sleep, We're all sleep.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Six year old Maddie and her baby brother, eighteen year

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old Max, were asleep in their bedroom stay in the hall.

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Mark continued to cry and struggle as he talked to

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nine one one.

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Speaker 3: Give me a favorite. Get the heel of your hand

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in the center of her chest. Put your other hand

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on top of the let's start CPR. Okay, sir, she's purple,

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she's fucking I'm telling you, I know what you guys

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look like. I'm gonna again stand more a veteran.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all she's gone, sir, Market scene death over sees.

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You've sure the dispatcher that Sherry was long gone.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Let me get your name and

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do me a favorite. Step outside so that you can

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talk to the medics. Okay, oh yeah, okay, all right, sir,

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let me get your name. Don't go with fucking tireds glaring. Okay,

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I don't want to make kids to beat fucking trauma site. Okay, okay,

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what is your name? Mark Ericson said, oh my god, okay,

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may I may I talk to two of three six, four, five, seven,

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eight eight? Yes, may I cover her with it? She's naked,

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and may I cover her. Let's not do that. Let's

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let's medics get there. My child like, okay, why you

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sit there in bed?

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Speaker 2: Right? No?

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Speaker 8: No, no ah right?

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Speaker 3: I thought you said they were in bed, so let's

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say there in bed. I'm gonna yes, they're dead, they're perfect, okay,

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so do me a favorite. I'm losing it. I'm sorry,

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I'm losing it. I understand like a deep breast. Yeah,

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go ahead, go go outside. I gotta talk to the medics. Okay,

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go outside. Okay, I'm going to god. Okay, perfect. They're

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almost un scene for you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, bo tight fires on their way off. Okay, we're

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arriving unseen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, sir, do you see them the police officers.

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Speaker 1: Mark ran outside the front door to meet the officers

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as they quietly pulled up the short driveway. He was

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in a frenzy as he explained what happened and pointed

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towards the upstairs master bathroom. The police rushed inside. Mark

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made sure his children were still asleep and begged the

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first responders to be quiet. He was terrified of traumatizing

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the kids. Officer Mike Bishop was one of the first

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on the scene. He found Sherry in the bathroom and

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immediately bent down and started doing chest compressions. The knees

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of his pants soon became wet with crimson SuDS. After

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twenty compressions, he got up and let the EMTs take over.

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Cherry was rushed to a nearby hospital, where doctors assured

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Mark that she was in good hands they would do

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their best to save her life. Mark called Sherry's aunt

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and uncle to come pick up the kids before he

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went to the police station. With his head buried in

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his hands. Mark sat across from the detective in his

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cargo shorts and flip flops as his leg bounced up

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and down.

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Speaker 6: Well he wept, this is a digital recorder, you might

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if I writ while we're talking.

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Speaker 2: That way, I can don't have to take such so

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many notes.

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Speaker 1: Mark nodded and also allowed the police to search his home.

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He said he wanted all the help they could get.

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He wanted to know why this happened to his wife.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we start with.

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Speaker 6: A general history of your family and what's going going

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on in your life and.

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Speaker 2: Stuff like that. Okay, I'm married, and I met my

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wife in Wisconsin when I was attending law school.

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Speaker 1: Mark and Sherry had met on a dating app back

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in two thousand and eight when Mark was finishing with

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his legal degree at University of Wisconsin Madison.

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Speaker 8: Ever since, we've been together through the military. I'm an

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AJRIGE advocate in Wyber Army. We went to live in

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Hawaii together. Our daughter was born there.

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Speaker 2: She was born at the same time as the Nami

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was hitting the island, so the whole time there was

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like the alarm was going on as he had contractions

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and stuff. So born in an Army hospital, Yeah, Jamesey

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far of the Army Medical Center, the Being Palace.

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Speaker 1: The Ponsards had lived all over the US, Alabama, Wisconsin, Hawaii, Georgia.

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This was due to Mark's career in the Army and

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his higher education pursuits.

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Speaker 8: So I was with the twenty Fifthentry Infantry Division and

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then they employed with cab Compedy of Adrian Brigade to Ganahear.

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Speaker 6: And what my wife stuck with me was that pretty

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pretty pretty soon after the baby was born that you went,

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you were deployed.

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Speaker 2: That's tough. So Maddie was fourteen months old. I deployed

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for seven months. It felt a lot longer. Anyways, very

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strong experience that my wife was there throughout.

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Speaker 8: I came back and anyways, we worked together and trying

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to buy a house in Hawaii didn't work out.

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Speaker 2: Moved to the different place. Anyways, we traveled. We went

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to the Big Islands with my cousin from Spain. I

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came to visit.

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Speaker 8: We went to Japan, where my daughter was treated like

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a start the little blood girl and stuff. I mean,

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the Japanese are such cute people and stuff. And then

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it was an approach by associal aviations a penticopters, so

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it was approached by a Sikorski attorney. Well offered me

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a job in civilian so I went to reserves and

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then we moved to Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: When we were there for about a year and a half,

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working fifteen months to.

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Speaker 9: A civilian legal first Horski and right, so still in

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a reserve correct right, so I worked with a cyber

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warfare command Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn, I assume or and Officer.

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Speaker 2: Mccaptain and was just likes for major.

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Speaker 1: All the while, Mark was thriving in his army career

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and working his way up to Major. Jerry had gotten

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her degree in social work and was pursuing her own

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talents and income. Jerry had even published a children's book

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and was working on a second for her publisher. They

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were flourishing, but after a few months in Arizona, Ark

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lost his job.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and then for the remainder of the year, I've

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been unemployed in the civilian side.

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Speaker 2: So I've been za this year.

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Speaker 10: This year, sir, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Just offered a job in Kentucky. Great job, super happy. Finally,

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after all these.

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Speaker 8: Months, my wife really stepped up. I mean she was

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the breadwinner. Anyways, we found out home together. We like,

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we've got new furniture for Max because his furniture is

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got spride up.

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Speaker 2: He saw your son son, how is he? Eighteen months?

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Eighteen months.

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Speaker 1: Mark and Cherry had a role reversal when he was

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unemployed and she stepped it up as the family's primary earner.

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Mark told the detective that he was proud of his

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wife for doing that. He was grateful and embraced his

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role as the man.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, everything's been going to freak. I've been select for

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major BDZ below the zone.

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Speaker 8: I'm ranked really high, I think among men. You know,

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I haven't had the appraisal yet. Everything I'll do really well.

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She's been like super supportive, like moving to Kentucky. She

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likes the job she is she has here, but she's

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been supportive, like she knows we have to pay off

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dark debts and everything like, it's very positive and strong

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and it's a good school.

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Speaker 2: For Maddie and Mac is starting to talk. He said,

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it was more exact to my wife was aborted.

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Speaker 10: The way of a routine and stuff like.

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Speaker 8: It's beautiful anyways, and so I'm just that's SU's happening

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right now where we are.

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Speaker 2: And uh, my wife was a she was what's what's

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the word. Anyways, she was ready to have a third child, essentially.

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Speaker 1: Even though Sherry liked Arizona and her job there, Mark

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had been offered a new position in Kentucky and it

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made sense to move. Jerry had posted on her Facebook

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page just before her death.

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Speaker 11: We've been in Arizona for a year now, so I

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guess what time it is time for another cross country move.

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Never a dull moment.

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Speaker 1: Mark said Sherry had been ovulating and they were trying

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to have another baby. According to him, things were looking up.

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Speaker 2: And yesterday she had a headache. And so she has

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heart issues, she has envision issues. She had a piercing headache.

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Speaker 8: Anyways, So yeah, so yesterday she wasn't feeling too good.

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Speaker 2: I mean juicing, you know, the juicer, liquid.

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that stuff, you know, And so she's been any healthy,

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I mean, making any breakfast and the family and flossing

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for my daughter and my son is starting to talk,

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and everything's going so so well.

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Speaker 1: Mark just couldn't understand why it all had to fall apart.

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Now things were just perfect.

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Speaker 2: I do need to know what happened to night so

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I can understand what I see at the house.

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Speaker 12: Okay, So we'll go on into that, all right, Okay,

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so we'll folks him tonight. So she came home at

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like five point fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Mark explained that after Sherry got home from work, he

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cooked the family a healthy dinner, watched some movies, put

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the kids to bed, and then decided to spend some

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quality time together and we were trying.

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Speaker 2: To have like a romantic night, like a together night,

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and so I drew a bath for us, and so, uh,

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you know, so I was in there and I was

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putting uh thispo Tito and the music on on my

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cell phone.

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Speaker 13: And so.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, by the time my you know, my wife came,

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she was uh, pretty excited. I guess sort were laughing

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or whatever.

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Speaker 8: Then she put her clothes and other clothes downstairs from

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in the wash, came back upstairs, and then we kind

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of hung.

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Speaker 10: Out in the bathtub and cut.

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Speaker 2: Her nails, her toe nails, like, washed her hair.

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Speaker 8: And I was kind of massaging her and stuff. And

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we just had beautiful evening, just a very i don't know,

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like a positive evening. It wasn't necessarily going through sex or.

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Speaker 2: Anything like that either. It was sort of just to

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be happy, you know.

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Speaker 8: The past eight months was really stressful, a difficult with

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the bills, with everything. Now I have a job and

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the house we like, we just bought a bedroom set

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for Max. Like everything is coming together. Everything's so underful.

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Speaker 1: As romantic as it was, Mark soon needed to get

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out of the tub.

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Speaker 2: He gets warm you know, I'm those two hot in bathtubs,

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and so she likes to stay longer. So I got

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out and I went to bed essentially, and I take

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sleeping pills and the rise of Pan for anxiety. I've

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had to do this since my deployment, and so anyway,

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so I slept, and where he take the sleep simply

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simply sleep. So it's a really cool around. Yeah, I

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think three of those. I'm trying to lower my amounts.

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I used to take four. Lately i've been taking three.

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I'm trying to weave myself off.

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Speaker 1: Mark took his anti depressant and then three of his

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over the counter sleep meds, a diaphen hydromine based medication. Basically,

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it's like taking a handful of allergy medication like Bendrul.

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You know how much I love Benadrul. It can make

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you really sleepy, knock you out for the whole day.

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It was around this time that the detective got a

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phone call and he excused himself and left the room.

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When he returned, he had some bad news for Mark.

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Speaker 6: I never want to be the person to have to

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tell somebody this, that's your your wife has passed away.

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Speaker 2: WHOA I'm going to have the officer outside the.

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Speaker 6: Room called counselor would you be able to talk to a.

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Speaker 2: Counselor would that be helpful?

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Speaker 5: You man?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 6: I talking about Oh, I want somebody here that has

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some good resources for you, Okay, So I'm going to

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have him come and you can you can do what

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you want.

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Speaker 1: After Mark calmed down and stopped crying, the detective made

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sure to get one thing straight.

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Speaker 6: I want to make sure you fully understand any news

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and there anytime, anytime there is a a serious injury,

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we're there and you're you're a lawyer, So I assume

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that you understand all.

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Speaker 2: That you're You're here voluntarily, so for me to ask.

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Speaker 6: You questions about what happened tonight, I'm just trying to

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get enough information to determine.

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Speaker 2: What's going on tay about you. So I don't want

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you to feel like, okay, suspect.

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Speaker 6: Well, you're not a suspect. You're You're the only source

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of information I have. If you were a suspect, i'd grieved, Miranda.

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Speaker 2: I would take you in there. I see that kind

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of thing.

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Speaker 1: You free to leave you all that I want to Okay,

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Mark was the only source of information, and being a

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lawyer himself, the cops knew you wouldn't be talking with

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them unless he had nothing to do with this. I mean,

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why would he unless he's an idiot. Of course, everyone

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was just trying to understand the mysterious way that Sherry

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had died. Mark may have been the only one the

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cops knew to talk to, but as news of her

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untimely death spread throughout her friends and family, others would

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come forward and the investigation would change from an accidental

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death to something much much worse. Lawyer and Army Major

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Mark Eric Pinsati had found his wife, Sherry Pinsati, dead

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on their bathroom floor from what appeared to be an

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accidental fall out of the top. The couple's young children

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were still sleeping down the hall when Mark called nine

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one one in hysterical tears. Now he found himself alone

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and terrified us to what the future would hold for

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his family. Mark told the police that he had a

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happy marriage. He had just received a new job offer

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in Kentucky, so the family was preparing to pack up

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and move yet again. They were trying for a third

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baby and enjoying every day as it came. Very Hallmark,

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you know, but now suddenly Sherry was dead and the

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police had to figure out what happened on the night

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in question. Despite his emotions, Mark composed himself and continued

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speaking with the detective.

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Speaker 8: Woke up that, which is surprising is usually anything that

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filled his UF I'd wake up later at one o'clock

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maybe or something two o'clock.

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Speaker 14: It's a kind of a pattern, got a cycle, and

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this time it.

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Speaker 2: Was something different, like I kind of woke up. Which

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bed were you in upstairs?

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Speaker 14: And uh, I was gonna listening and I could hear

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the TV still playing downstairs, and uh said there was

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still like bathroom and something like sh she still in

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the bathroom. So I was gonna tell her to come over.

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And I tried to open the door and I couldn't.

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Something was blocking in and I pushed and I had

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fucking you see your fire feet.

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Speaker 3: In your feet are like really.

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Speaker 10: White, and uh, and so I called out for her,

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the fuck Sherry, And finally I pushed.

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Speaker 2: I had to push quite a bit, and it was

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like pushing her body like the door, like her legs

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were on the sideways.

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Speaker 1: Mark said he was groggy from the sleep medication, but

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after he saw his wife's cold white feet on the

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floor is adrenaline.

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Speaker 2: Kicked him and then I noticed her head. It looked

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fucked up.

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Speaker 7: It looked there was blood and she had like a

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montes and stuff, and I.

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Speaker 2: Recognized that with injury. Was she faced down, her on

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her back, she ba and was her head towards the door,

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feet towards the door. The feet were sward the door.

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The feet were blocking. The legs of feet were thin.

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So I moved, so I don't know, he said, I

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did push her, So I'm the shore how she was

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originally like we're thinking, said you saw him with Thomas

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where we're Yeah.

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Speaker 7: It was the first thing I noticed with the blood

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on that fucking corner. Damn, in the fucking corner. I

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thought about it several times with Maddie and stuff. She

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always makes everything so wet, you know. It was to

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the towels in the ground and stuff and slipping and

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stuff in that fucking corner, like I put like a

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corner of the sink or the corner of.

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Speaker 2: The like between the shower and the bathtop. There was

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a really dangerous freaking.

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Speaker 10: Corner right there.

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Speaker 1: Mark said, there was a sharp, dangerous corner between the

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bathtub and the sink. When they bathed the kids in

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the bathtub, you would put towels down to cover it.

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He was convinced that Sherry had hit her head on that.

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Speaker 2: And it was blood all over that fucking day.

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Speaker 7: And uh, anyways, I prinked out, that's what you call

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her a and uh and I slipped. It was like slippery.

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Speaker 2: You went in though you went out and yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I went in there. And were you wearing you clothes

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or were you nigs? Or I was? I think I

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was wearing these clothes. I wasn't wearing these clothes.

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Speaker 8: And I did the MCBR certify and stuff, you know,

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so I did the observed listening and that stuff. It

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didn't look at the face colors, discoloration, there was the patches.

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And I got.

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Speaker 2: And she had her and she didn't look good, and uh,

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I freaked out. I noticed the lungs weren't moving. I

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immediately called Name one one.

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Speaker 1: Mark was an army major, a trained d MT, and

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a lawyer. If anyone would be useful in this situation,

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it was him. Mark said he didn't remember much after

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he got on the phone with nine one one. His

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memory was just a blur of chaos.

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Speaker 2: I remember the rest. Honestly, it only to do like

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mouth to mouth. But I knew that was not It

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was too far for that. I could tell like it

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was blood and like it was purple and stuff. So

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did you ever do the mouth mouth? Noir?

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Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you a question. If your wife,

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the mother of your children, was lying unresponsive on the floor,

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cold white, you know, don't you think you would maybe, oh,

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I don't know, attempt maybe possibly to save her life somehow.

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I mean, am I the only one who would actually

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do that? I don't think so, right, But apparently Mark

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is one of the other types.

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Speaker 2: But did you ever do any compressions? Okay, so you

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just you just evaluate. They did and they did touch

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a toucher. I did touch her. You've been through the

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same military tree exactly, So I did the arteries and

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all that stuff, like the legs. So you touched her

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pulse look listening for you, her writing and stuff like that.

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I mean it looked like she fucking slipping that in

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son of its corner. And then noticed water and soap

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and all that stuff, and then the carpet.

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Speaker 6: Was all So was the bathtub overflowing or was it

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just from like getting out the water flashing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, so there was no water.

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Speaker 6: You didn't have to turn the water on.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, So the top was not overflowing.

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Mark did not do chess compressions or try CPR on

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his wife. Mark's theory was that Sherry got out of

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the bath, slipped, fell and hit her head. This was

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all feeling a little off. Mark had painted a picture

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of a happy marriage and a family life, but Jerry's

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best friend Danielle had something different to say about Mark.

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Danielle actually refers to Mark as Eric. He went by

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Mark Eric professionally, but sometimes just Eric to his family

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and friends.

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Speaker 4: Her husband Eric. How do I say? It looks really

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great on paper. So he's a lawyer, he's charming, he's

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felt light, he's looking, he likes to cook.

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Speaker 15: All of these different things seems were good in our

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beginning of their relationship, but then.

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Speaker 4: Things kind of took a turn. So there's some information.

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He lived, he was in the military, he was stationed

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in Alabama. They're in Hawaii, then they were in Connecticut

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and then Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Danielle's tail lined up with Marx, but she knew some

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much darker things.

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Speaker 4: There's some things that have happened in the past. He

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has very mentally unstable, so he's that had a lot

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of instability regarding suicide. I know this was more in Connecticut.

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He thought treatment. He was on medications. There was times

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where he would just take a dose of medicine and

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not be able to wake up, or he'd find him

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with the kids running all over the place to be

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out of it.

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Speaker 1: And there was more.

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Speaker 4: I guess what we labeled him as and I don't know.

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He could see a psychiatrist as a sex addict. So

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he was constantly looking at porn.

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00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:16,839
Speaker 15: He had been always.

476
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:20,279
Speaker 4: Doing porn websites, porn, porn, porn. He had a job

477
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,240
where he traveled a lot. He was in Turkey at

478
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:28,759
one point he had solicited prostitutes there and she was

479
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:33,200
pregnant with her second son, so she I remember when

480
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,599
he came back she found.

481
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 5: Out about this. I think be on his phone and.

482
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: Computer and she had gone into the doctor and had

483
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,559
all kinds of STD testing to make sure that you know,

484
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,160
she was pregnant and things like that. He also has

485
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:53,960
had issues maintaining the job, so I think something happened

486
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,079
in the military where he was also walked in on

487
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,680
looking at pornography and things like that. But anyways, please.

488
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,359
Speaker 15: Let me have your question or anything breaking it in.

489
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,799
Speaker 1: You can say that again, Danielle was like a floodgate

490
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,799
of information, and the detective was dumbfounded by this cd

491
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:16,880
side of Mark that couldn't have been further from the composed,

492
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:21,160
kind and well spoken man he consoled at this very

493
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,799
same police station. Danielle said that Mark's porn and cheating

494
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,240
loomed all throughout the time Sherry was pregnant with their

495
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:33,119
second child. Then things hit a breaking point while they

496
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:33,920
were in Connecticut.

497
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: I do know Sherry does have evidence, and I don't

498
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:42,599
know where it is, of some child pornography. There was

499
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,039
one time she walked in on him. This is in Connecticut,

500
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,400
by the way. This is probably in the last three years.

501
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:55,799
She walked in on him masturbating to a five or

502
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,559
six year old girl getting angily raped.

503
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: After catching Mark in the act with violent child porn,

504
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Cherry had had enough.

505
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,519
Speaker 4: She left him. Her uncle Joe, who has the kids

506
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,920
right now. He came to Connecticut to get her out

507
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,400
of there, and he left when she was at He

508
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,920
was at home, and he drove her and she came here.

509
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,839
Her goal was was to leave him, and she didn't

510
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:33,160
have any money. And when she came here, he pretty

511
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,519
much put all the you know, I mean, he controlled

512
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,799
the money. He did not get her any money. She

513
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,440
stayed at her mother's house. I had to help out

514
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,759
as much as possible. I invited her to my house, groceries,

515
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:48,759
you know, things like that.

516
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: Danielle tried her best to help Sherry get out of

517
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,240
her marriage, but Cherry wanted to make it work. She

518
00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,319
had no money and leaving Mark wasn't financially viable right

519
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:00,880
then and there.

520
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, so things were worse. I know, I'm Connecticut. When

521
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,000
he went back, they had agreed Eric was going to

522
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,880
seek help. They sought help. Sherry was not religious, but

523
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:13,880
he said, well, let's, you know, to go talk to

524
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,799
a priest. And so they were kind of doing some

525
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,359
type of marital counseling with the priest in Connecticut. And

526
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,319
Eric also was getting on med He had seen a psychiatrist.

527
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,039
They wanted to have him go to a treatment center.

528
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:30,799
He didn't want to, and I know the priest. I

529
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,680
remember being surprised because the priest told Sherry to leave him,

530
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:37,240
and I was surprised at that.

531
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 16: I was race Catholic because I thought almost like resort

532
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:46,279
type stuff exactly being a Catholic herself, and he all

533
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,599
figured things were really grim if a priest had agreed

534
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,920
that Sherry should leave Mark, and.

535
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: So that was that, and then things just kind of

536
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,319
got worse. Max was born, and that's kind of ensued.

537
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: After Max was born and Mark was seeking help, the

538
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:09,640
family relocated to Arizona, where things didn't really get much better.

539
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,880
The family was dwindling their savings, and between Mark's high

540
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,680
student loan payments and cost of living, they were drowning

541
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:23,039
in debt. When they moved from Connecticut to Arizona, they

542
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,079
had to take out a loan of forty five thousand

543
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:29,359
dollars for closing costs, which put an even bigger strain

544
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,720
on their marriage.

545
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:38,839
Speaker 4: So he's had higher up jobs, an unfortunately authority figures haven't.

546
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,799
Speaker 13: It's been it's been a bit.

547
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:45,519
Speaker 4: Full issues with him because he's really lasted a job

548
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,640
a year for less. He's often fired from job. The

549
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,319
recent one who was fired in Arizona, he's gone on

550
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,880
a point for nine months and shares did not work

551
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,279
until the last three months, so they've been living off

552
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:06,039
of savings. He found money from someone in Florida. I

553
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,000
do know because she concided in me about everything, so

554
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,920
I know they were really in financial ruins. She and

555
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,199
I have this centraccess and he said they were probably

556
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,199
about one hundred and forty thousand dollars set.

557
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: Then Cherry got a job, which felt like a glimmer

558
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,920
of hope, but it only made Mark worse.

559
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,159
Speaker 4: Cherry got a job four months ago.

560
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,119
Speaker 5: It's her first job.

561
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: All that from being you know, a stay at home mom.

562
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,440
Eric has always been very controlling. They got into a

563
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:41,000
lot of fights about cleaning, earning his shirts. That was

564
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,480
her job to iron his shirt if he was going

565
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:45,519
to go anywhere. She had to pack at bay. She

566
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:47,800
had to wake up in the morning and you know,

567
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:49,639
make him a bo you know that kind of thing.

568
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,760
And so since he lost his job, I know he's

569
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,760
working out a lot. That was his thing, go to

570
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,480
the gym and less waits. You both set a lot

571
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,360
and he really did his own thing. Now since Harry

572
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,360
was working. For the first two months he was working,

573
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,199
I feel like she was working for about ninety days.

574
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,760
For the first two months he was home with the

575
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,679
kids by himself, and then Maddie, who was sixth started

576
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,960
school about a month ago, and so that was a

577
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,519
huge change. Sarry would go to work. She was very

578
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:21,239
worried for her safetyavorite children.

579
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 15: She confided in me that Mac.

580
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 4: Her youngest son, who is almost twenty months, has fallen

581
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,480
down the stairs a couple times.

582
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Because Eric was on the computers the whole time with

583
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,760
his oldest daughter in first grade and just baby Max

584
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,840
to take care of, Mark started slipping back into his

585
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,599
old online addictions. Mark was a negligent, resentful father who

586
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,039
did not want to be at home with his kids

587
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,760
while his wife earned money for the family.

588
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 15: I believe it was.

589
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: About a month ago she took him Max, maybe two months.

590
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,039
Speaker 15: Took in Max for his eighteen ninety month appointment, and

591
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:06,039
Eric went to the doctor and Maddie, the daughter, had

592
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,000
told the doctor that Max fell.

593
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: Down the stairs two times. And I don't know what

594
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:15,840
the doctor was asking questions or anything, but she.

595
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:20,519
Speaker 15: Got very angry and said in from the doctor, Maddie.

596
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,159
Speaker 4: You get over there, I'm going to spells you. And

597
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,039
that was something interesting because I had never heard Harry

598
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,159
ever say anything about that, and I asked, Harry, did

599
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,760
he ever thank Maddie. She said no, not that she's

600
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,920
aware of. And then the doctor appintment was done. He

601
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,920
was waiting in line to you know, her paperwork, and

602
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,800
he lost it in the doctor's office. He you know,

603
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,559
heard on the paperwork, walked out from the door. It

604
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,840
was like this big ordeal.

605
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: Danielle said that Mark had really been going downhill since

606
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,239
Sherry became the breadwinner, and his emotions were off the charts.

607
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,119
Speaker 4: I want to say it was maybe forty six weeks ago.

608
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,840
They had gone somewhere in Arizona, maybe for a hike

609
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,679
or something, and he had lost it in the car over.

610
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't recall.

611
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: He took her phone. He said he's going to throw

612
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,400
it out. His were screaming in the background, was stopping

613
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,880
the car. It was a very you know traumatic, you know,

614
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,480
something had happened. The thing about Eric was that he

615
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,400
could turn his mood.

616
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 15: Like that, and so Sherry was kind of eggs, like

617
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:30,000
sitting on eggshells.

618
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:30,159
Speaker 5: I know.

619
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 4: He you know, punched a wall, you know, a hole

620
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,000
in the wall in their house in Connecticut, that kind

621
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,239
of thing. He was very hot tempered.

622
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:46,079
Speaker 1: Mark was an angry, emotional guy and Sherry felt stuck.

623
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:49,760
But to the outside world on social media, the couple

624
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,679
were very active and presented only the very best parts

625
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,599
of their family life. Jerry would post pictures of their

626
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,880
hiking trips to the Grand Canyon. She'd boast in videos

627
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,480
about her daughter going off to school, and she'd give

628
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,119
her friends updates on the forts that kids would build

629
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:13,239
when it was too hot to play outside. Mark did

630
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,079
the same. He showed off being promoted to major and

631
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,599
had recently posted a picture of a meal a civilian

632
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,400
bought him at a fancy restaurant after she thanked him

633
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,880
for a service. Thank you, ma'am, he wrote, I feel

634
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,719
humbled and grateful to the world. Sherry and Mark looked

635
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,719
like a happy, loving family of four, but inside they

636
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,000
were bubbling over with secrets that all stemmed from Mark's

637
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:42,719
disgusting porn habit.

638
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 4: She had found a picture of a girl or something

639
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:50,199
a woman on his phone and asked him about it,

640
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:53,559
and he said, oh, she's from some pornography website.

641
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 15: And so she said to him, for show me, show

642
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,760
me the website, and he couldn't, and he got very

643
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:01,280
very upset about that.

644
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 4: And she told him that she was there for the kids,

645
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,480
and that she really wanted nothing to do with him sexually,

646
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,639
and that he could do whatever he wanted, that he

647
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,159
was there for the kids, and he like that completely

648
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,000
blew up. Now I don't that was the only time

649
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:23,800
we talked about that.

650
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 15: I don't know anything about that.

651
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,559
Speaker 1: But what Danielle did know was that Mark's issues with

652
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,119
violence and sexual perversion all stemmed from one person, his

653
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,199
dad was.

654
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 4: She told me about how he was in and he

655
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:41,199
was in prison, used to have a lot of money,

656
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,679
and Eric had told Sherry that he had introduced Eric's

657
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,360
pornography when he was seven or eight years old. Your

658
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,239
dad has always tried to get mail or or bright

659
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,679
things like that. I don't know anything more than that.

660
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Oh, and the reason his porn peddling dad was in prison,

661
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,440
it was no big deal, just for you know, killing

662
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:02,840
someone in a fit of rage.

663
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 4: So yourth's dad was in prison for killing a man

664
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,239
in It was a Dutch It was a Dutch tourist

665
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:12,920
over road.

666
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: Rate just chew on this for a second. Things in

667
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,679
Arizona were bad, but then Mark got a job offer

668
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,400
in Kentucky and the family was set to move again.

669
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,960
Remember Sherry had written on her Facebook page just four

670
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:27,880
days before.

671
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:31,039
Speaker 11: Her death, We've been in Arizona for a year now,

672
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,119
so I guess what time it is time for another

673
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,440
cross country move.

674
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: Never a dull moment, hints of resentment hung in her

675
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960
post and behind closed doors. She told Mark she was

676
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:49,719
sick of the instability in her family. But she agreed

677
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,599
to go to Kentucky because of one reason.

678
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,559
Speaker 4: And Kentucky came up, and she wasn't little about it,

679
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,159
but the main things I was always trying to be

680
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,280
positive with her that she's going to be closer to Wisconsin.

681
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:05,480
Her main dream was she wanted to get back to Wisconsin.

682
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:06,639
Speaker 15: She had family and friends here.

683
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 4: She wanted to kind of down on life for her family,

684
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000
and she was only going to be a couple hours away.

685
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Eight hours away now I know this. Last week she

686
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:22,119
texted me and said, oh my gosh, Eric got a

687
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:23,880
call from a job in Oshcosh.

688
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,039
Speaker 5: Oshcosh is an hour and.

689
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: A half away from her parents' help. Okay, And I said,

690
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,280
oh my goodness, Wow, that's excellent. But she said at

691
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,159
that point that Eric said absolutely not that he had

692
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,360
already signed the contract for this new job in Kentucky.

693
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,079
Speaker 1: The idea of moving to Oshkosh, Wisconsin, was a dream

694
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:46,519
come true for Sherry. Finally, she would be closer to

695
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:50,320
her family and friends. The possibility of leaving Mark was

696
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:54,880
in bloom, but he stomped out that dream. Of course

697
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,920
he did. If Sherry was closer to the safety of

698
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,440
her family and friends, then and she would surely leave him.

699
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,880
Mark may have been sick, but he was not stupid.

700
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,840
But Danielle and Sherry talked every day like best friends do.

701
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,039
Cherry had an exit strategy, and she told Danielle everything, and.

702
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,159
Speaker 4: Her plan was that she wanted to leave in a

703
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,199
couple of years. She was very fearful for her children.

704
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,599
She was fearful to leave the house and have fifty

705
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:26,039
to fifty custody.

706
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 15: And have him taking care of the kids when he

707
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:29,159
couldn't even.

708
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: Take care of himself in that regard.

709
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,119
Speaker 17: So no discussion with her about having more children.

710
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. She said, the thought of us her child

711
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:43,119
sounds really great to me if I had a different

712
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,480
like if I was with someone else.

713
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:49,519
Speaker 1: Danielle had spilled the tea, as they say, and boy

714
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:53,360
was it potent. Mark had put up an excellent front

715
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,039
for the police. He'd come across as believable, kind and caring.

716
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:03,079
But that if you haven't guessed it already, it was

717
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:07,280
all a lie. Even Cherry's mother, who knew less than Danielle,

718
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,239
knew that Mark had made unthinkable threats to his daughter.

719
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,519
Speaker 15: Well, Serry and.

720
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 13: Erica had issues with her marriage ongoing for I would

721
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:23,760
say probably the last three years and last year last March,

722
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:29,960
she asked me, couldn't covers it, and I did, and

723
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,880
when I got there, she said that things aren't going well,

724
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:36,039
if they weren't getting along, that she wanted to come

725
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,800
back to Wisconsin. She told me.

726
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: Jerry's mom broke down into inaudible sobs.

727
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,079
Speaker 6: Try to relax, and that way I can clearly understand

728
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:53,599
what you're saying.

729
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,559
Speaker 4: It sounded like you said that she had concerns that

730
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:57,719
he was going to kill her.

731
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 13: Basely, she told me that he had kill her.

732
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: But Jerry wasn't ready to leave Mark yet. She made

733
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,679
a point of repeating that over and over. She stayed

734
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,400
with him for one reason and one reason only.

735
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 15: She never said that she was.

736
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: Looking to divorce Eric right now. She never said anything

737
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,039
like that to me, but I remember her saying, I

738
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:27,800
would say, in the last month, she said something about

739
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,239
my kids are legal residents of Arizona. And that's when

740
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:34,559
you know she had said something about, well, you know,

741
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,079
I might stay work my job a little bit, Maddie's

742
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,880
started school and whatever, and then you know that's all

743
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,079
I know.

744
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,599
Speaker 3: So she wanted a more stable life for the kids.

745
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 4: As far as Jerry, yes, any absolutely, And what I

746
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,440
can tell you the only reason, and she told me

747
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:55,320
was over and again the only reason why she never

748
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,239
left her was because her children.

749
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,679
Speaker 2: And it wasn't because her children.

750
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: She would have been a long time ago. She was

751
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,519
the gus mob no her complained, just did everything. And

752
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:10,639
even though her life at home was horrible with her

753
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,760
husband and all that, you know, she was definitely the

754
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,760
rock for her children.

755
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the detectives had an autopsy performed on Sherry's body

756
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:25,280
and began examining the scene in a new light. Detective

757
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,079
Bishop noticed many physical pieces of evidence that did not

758
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,840
line up with Mark's story. Mark was now their prime suspect,

759
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,079
and he was going to have to face the truth.

760
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:41,480
Maybe Mark had been able to keep Sherry physically away

761
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:44,880
from her friends and family, maybe he was able to

762
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,320
make sure she held a brave face to the world,

763
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:50,679
but he couldn't stop her from confiding in the people

764
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:56,000
that she loved and revealing all of his dirty, disgusting secrets.

765
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:31,679
After speaking with Sherry Ponsatti's best friends and other family members,

766
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,599
Mara Copa County detectives now realize that the image Mark

767
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:39,440
painted himself as it was a far cry from reality.

768
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:44,119
Mark was a porn addicted, violent, angry, jobless man, in

769
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,400
debt and on the brink of losing his sanity. I

770
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,000
think that describes most men these days, actually, but I'll

771
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,159
leave it at that. Anyway, Sherry had caught him with

772
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,639
child porn, and that's a crime that she should have

773
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,360
definitely turned him in for, but she didn't. Jerry had

774
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,920
plans to go. She had to think of herself, and

775
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:08,159
the couple was in a.

776
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 18: Ton of debt.

777
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,559
Speaker 1: She had to be strategic. Jerry's aunt and uncle had

778
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:17,840
taken the Pinsati's children after she died, and they had

779
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,119
overheard Mark on the phone telling a different story than

780
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:22,679
the one he told detectives.

781
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 5: I thought that he told the coroner that they had

782
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:32,840
been watching Netflix downstairs, that she hadn't come back, and

783
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,599
I think he used the word to the corner that

784
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:37,760
he was brought maybe.

785
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 4: Frustrated and annoyed. I'm pretty sure he used the word annoyed.

786
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,039
Speaker 5: So he went to look for her and she wasn't

787
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:44,480
in the.

788
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:48,519
Speaker 1: Bedroom, and Jerry's brother confirmed that all the things Danielle

789
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,519
had said about Mark were true. He also revealed a

790
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:53,039
little more.

791
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,159
Speaker 17: She was afraid where that literally told her that if

792
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,360
she also a divorced against him, that he would kill

793
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:02,840
her family.

794
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 16: And that's something she told you, He said, yes, Or

795
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,840
did she tell your mother and your mother told you no.

796
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 17: She told me that directly, And she told me that

797
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,400
if anything ever happened to her, I guess she died unexpectedly,

798
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,840
that we should suspect.

799
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,639
Speaker 3: That Eric was the cause.

800
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,559
Speaker 1: Armed with this new information, Detective Bishop began to examine

801
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,480
the scene differently and came up with a new theory

802
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:30,920
about how Sherry died.

803
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 19: I believe she was killed in the bathroom of her home.

804
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:41,280
I believe that she received multiple injuries to her upper

805
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:48,400
back and neck and head through a physical altercation. Also,

806
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:53,239
her nose and upper lip were injured. I believe she's

807
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,639
come to those injuries and her body was staged in

808
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:03,480
the master bathroom for police to find. Well, my theory,

809
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,880
and if the prosecutors are okay with me giving my theory,

810
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:13,360
is that the linear injuries on her back and upper

811
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,199
neck and head will probably a result of being forcefully

812
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,079
thrown against the tile ledge at the back of the

813
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:27,760
bathroom bath doug or other. The blood that was visible

814
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,719
to me on that night was diluted with water and

815
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,519
appeared to me like a maybe a head that was

816
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:39,159
already bloody, had.

817
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: Been placed there.

818
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: Detective Bishop believed that Mark killed Sherry in the tub,

819
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,679
using the sharp edge of the tile between the tub

820
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,960
and shower to repeatedly bludge in her head and back

821
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,760
until she bled out. Remember, Mark kept saying he thought

822
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,239
that corner was dangerous. He relentlessly repeatd that he was

823
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,400
sure Sherry slipped and hit her head on that tile.

824
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 19: I found out later that not only had he pushed

825
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,519
the thought or tried to convey clearly the dangerous situation

826
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:19,079
in the bathroom with the ledge, and how he had

827
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:21,639
pointed it out before, and he knew that this ledge

828
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,960
was going to hurt somebody at some point, he passed

829
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,280
that along to other people as long as me. I

830
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,159
felt like when I found out that this was included

831
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:33,920
in his conversations to almost everybody, that.

832
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,159
Speaker 2: That was an indicator that.

833
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 20: There was more to the story than this slip and

834
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,199
fall that he had portrayed to me. If she had

835
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,800
slipped and hit her head on that ledge, the ledge

836
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,320
would have caused the bleeding to start, but her head

837
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,639
would already be gone. It would be down on the floor.

838
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,079
So that's why I would expect more blood on the

839
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,960
floor than I was. I wouldn't even expect to see

840
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,880
much or any blood on the the ledge itself.

841
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,039
Speaker 1: Jerry's blood was telling a new story. Not only did

842
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:09,400
luminol testing reveal that more blood had been cleaned up,

843
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,320
but it had also been moved around. This sick fuck

844
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,760
moved around his wife's blood to stage the scene.

845
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 19: There was a lot of blood that just wasn't at

846
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,360
the scene, and I didn't notice that.

847
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: And I did make that statement in my first, first

848
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:30,880
or second.

849
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 19: Supplement to the case, is that there was just not

850
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,239
enough blood on the floor to account the stains and

851
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,480
for the injuries. But I wasn't fully aware of the

852
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:44,679
injuries at that point. You have to understand that I

853
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,719
never saw the body until the autopsy, and that was

854
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,760
after the fact, Okay, So I gained more information and

855
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,159
more suspicion and more knowledge about her injuries after the fact.

856
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,519
That let me know that this top where there was

857
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:09,199
no blood visible should be checked or blood that isn't visible,

858
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,679
and that's what Lumanols used to do, or loose start

859
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:15,639
or whatever chemical she used that used to see the

860
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:16,559
blood where there is no.

861
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 2: Bason of blood.

862
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: The autopsy showed that Sherry had injuries to her head

863
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:24,599
and back, which would not have been possible if she

864
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,239
just slipped. She had bruising on her spine consistent with

865
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,079
violent shaking and strangulation could not be ruled out. She

866
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,519
had multiple blunt force injuries to the back of her head,

867
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,159
up her neck and back that would have been one

868
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:46,039
violent thrashing and repeating fall. And there were other physical

869
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,679
details that Detective Bishop noticed were suspicious.

870
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 19: I found it odd that two people took the bath

871
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:56,639
and their clothes were downstairs in the washer.

872
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: Mar could plan this all out very well, and he

873
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,400
was using his legal training to cover his tracks, feeding

874
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,760
the same believable story about Sherry slipping on some soap

875
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,239
due to her own negligence, blaming the victim they call it.

876
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,840
I don't think people like it these days anyway. Here's

877
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,559
Sherry's brother describing what Mark told him after she died.

878
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 17: And he told me he told me, you know when

879
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,920
it happened. And basically, like he said that Sherry had

880
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,840
a history of the house is when not putting things backs,

881
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,760
like for example, you know, when she'd cook, she'd leave

882
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,639
the cooking oil out and not put the cap on

883
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,719
it and things like that. And there's really particular about

884
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,480
that kind of stuff. And he said, you'd always nag

885
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:46,960
at her about it, which I can totally see that.

886
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,800
And he said that Cherry would do it so often

887
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,880
that eventually he sought an egging at her. And he said,

888
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,199
one of the things that she would do is in

889
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,760
the bathroom she would put a cap on like the

890
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,119
bubble back and stuff. She gives the kids a bubble bath, right,

891
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,719
and and honestly, I could I totally believe that she.

892
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 18: I can see her doing that because I mean, I'm

893
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,920
delivered too. And he thinks that she she can put

894
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,039
a tap on the bubble bath and somehow it got

895
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:17,840
skipped over when she was in the bathroom and when

896
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,559
she went to get out of a shower, you know,

897
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,199
the ground was completely soap.

898
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 17: And soap and she slid it.

899
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,199
Speaker 1: Mark even told this story to his six year old child,

900
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,119
believe it or not. Who then relayed it back almost

901
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,800
verbatim to the police psychologist.

902
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,639
Speaker 2: She did.

903
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: You wood on our hands?

904
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: Did you?

905
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: Detective Bishop believed that there was no way the soap

906
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,360
could have landed the way it did if Sherry slipped

907
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,280
on it. Mark's story was good, but gravity is way better.

908
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:29,119
Speaker 17: Uh.

909
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:29,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

910
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:34,639
Speaker 19: The the soap especially was odd because the soap container

911
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,960
was found in a tipped over.

912
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:39,599
Speaker 2: Position on the floor.

913
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:44,519
Speaker 19: And if you think you probably got the gist from

914
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:48,559
our experiment that if you if you knocked over a

915
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:52,719
bottle of soap, the soap would be emanating from the

916
00:55:52,840 --> 00:56:00,320
area where the container is. The officers that were first

917
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,400
on scene and from my recollection there was visible blue

918
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:12,639
soap on top of the back mat and throughout the

919
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,119
scene that I don't believe it would have been possible

920
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,960
for the soap to emanate from the area where the

921
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:24,679
bottle was on top of the to get up onto the.

922
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 17: Back mat.

923
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,159
Speaker 19: And I don't think that the amount of soap that

924
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,639
was missing is physically possible from turning that container over.

925
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,840
So if you knock over a container blue soap, it's

926
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,400
only going to drain to the area where the lip

927
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:47,159
of the spout is. It won't drain the inch and

928
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:52,119
a half two inches below that spout because gravity won't

929
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,760
allow it to float upwards and out of the bottom.

930
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: Marked his best to cover all those tracks. He had

931
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,039
a careful, he thought out plan, like some demented version

932
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:07,559
of Gone Girl. But even with his law degree, military background,

933
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:14,199
EMT training, and perfectionism or autism, Mark could not get

934
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,519
one over on the detectives. They were too thorough, and

935
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,239
only a week after Sherry's death, Mark was arrested for murder.

936
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:27,679
His bail was set at one million dollars. When it

937
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,960
came time to pull Mark in front of a jury

938
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,119
of his peers, he stuck to his story. He took

939
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:37,920
the stand and added some more elaborate details about how

940
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,519
he tried to save her life before he called nine

941
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:44,199
to one one. He said that is EMT training kicked

942
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:46,960
in and he did try to give her mouth to mouth,

943
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,440
but there was so much blood and you know, he

944
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:50,079
just couldn't.

945
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: You know.

946
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: It's just some people are so stupid, and they think

947
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,320
you're stupid too. They think they can get away with

948
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,039
things because they think you're just as stupid as they are.

949
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:05,360
He even said that he thought about getting a turkey

950
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,400
baster to suck the blood out. He said this on

951
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:08,920
the stand.

952
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 19: I swear.

953
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Speaker 1: He also tried to justify the injuries to her face

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by saying he slept and fell on her, but he

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didn't admit that to the police. He never said that

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until that moment, so he claimed that was why he

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refused to try CPR or chest compressions when the dispatcher

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asked him to. He claimed that he felt like a

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bull in a china shop after his fall, and that

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he would only make things worse. I mean, his wife

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was dead, but he would only make things worse.

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Speaker 9: That's what he said.

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Speaker 2: I'm suck please, Oh my god, her father.

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Speaker 5: Her brother.

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Speaker 1: Ullo mark Eric Pinzatti presented well to the world. He

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was handsome, fit, accomplished, and successful. On social media, he

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bragged about his career advances and his happy family. But

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behind closed doors, he was a porn obsessed cheater and

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a pedophile who slept with prostitutes and threatened his wife.

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He masturbated the child porn and he was such a

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negligent dad that he let his baby fall down the

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stairs multiple times under his watch. What a piece of shit.

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He knew that Sherry was going to leave him. I mean,

974
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why wouldn't she leave him. I'm sure that he thought

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that if he were Sherry, he would leave him too.

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But he was afraid of this and he wanted control

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over the situation. Mark had to control his wife like

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he couldn't control his own life. What he did I

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didn't have control over was the people in her life

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and who she chose to share her secrets to, and

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his disgusting secrets too as well. They knew everything. Jerry

982
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may have been sickened by her husband's perversions, but she

983
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wasn't too embarrassed about it to let everyone around her

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know who was actually hiding behind Mark's smile. So when

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his perfect little murder plan was missing a few important pieces,

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the humiliating confessions Cherry had made about her husband became

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the most powerful AMMO for cops. Now, Mark Pinsatti will

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be in prison until September seventh, twenty forty two. He

989
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received the maximum sentence for second degree murder. When he

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gets out, his daughter will be thirty one and his

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son will be twenty six. I'm sure they will want

992
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nothing to do with him. It will be alone, left

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to sync deeper into his porn addiction and drown in

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his own loneliness. But I think there's a better way

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to end this story. There's a lesson to be learned here,

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perhaps a little safety PSA. If you can hear my

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