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welcome to episode seventy one of hill Billy Horror Stories.
I am Jerry and I'm joined by Tracy. Hey, guys,
getting ready for Christmas around here. This is our last
episode before the Christmas Night episode, and we got a
few little tricks in our bag for that special show.
I have a bag, Yeah, Santa's bag. Oh yeah, gotta
be excited about Santa Sack.
Speaker 6: Hey, you know, I am so I wanted.
Speaker 3: To touch on a couple of things real quick. Obviously,
we want to thank all of our military from all
over the world, no matter what country you're serving, and
all of our first responders out there in civil servants.
Thank you so much for everything you do.
Speaker 6: God bless you guys. I know it's hard being away
from your families, but no, we are always thinking about
you all.
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this week. We've got Amy Howkinsmith, Annano, Missy Oh, that's Falcon, Crocker,
Parotis Graciato nice the Painter Rick and samanthe.
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Speaker 3: You guys so much. Once again, you guys came out
and bought some T shirts and stuff like that for
Christmas this week, so we greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 6: Thank you guys.
Speaker 3: We hope that whoever you're getting them for appreciates them. Yeah,
and I thought that was some cool stuff we did
on Patreon this week. We just posted a show that
we've already gotten some really good feedback on and I
was kind of excited about it. We did the Builtmore
Hotel in Florida, which was kind of awesome. Tracy actually
researched and read her first story on the air.
Speaker 6: I did, and I know that I need some practice
doing that. So it's hard to keep up with Jerry's
good storytelling.
Speaker 3: Appreciate that or maybe you're just horrible storytelling makes mine
seem that much better. Well, I didn't want to go there,
but so we did that one, and then, uh, what
was the other story we did? We did another longer story.
It was it was a young lady. It was a
story we didn't we wouldn't one hundred percent sure was
a real story or not, but we prefaced that coming out,
But it was a story about an armoir that was
actually it was a cool story regardless. So you know,
not every story we're going to tell on the show
will always be a true account, so to speak, but
it's always going to be what we think is going
to be a scary story. So yeah, it actually probably
came across more like a creepy Pasta type story for
those of well, Creepy Pasta is a site to where
people send in their stories, but it's basically like people
who just create these stories and then they's to just
to try to entertain other people.
Speaker 6: Called.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Creepypasta's the site.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, that's so fun.
Speaker 3: It's been around forever.
Speaker 6: Oh see, I don't meet you're out too much.
Speaker 3: Oh we're aware. But anyway, next week's show we're probably
gonna feature I know, Andrea is supposed to come back on,
and you guys love it when she comes on and
tells the stories. And she's supposed to come on. She's
got something that is going to knock your socks off.
So we're trying to put together sometimes this week, and
then we also have a surprise from well, I'm not
gonna tell you that one is you just have to
be surprised as part of your Christmas gift, So that
one you'll have to wait on. But I can tell
you there is another pretty well known podcaster that is
going to start doing a small segment occasionally with us
about true crime facts. And I'll just leave as to
who this mystery person is until next week so it
can be your little Christmas surprise. But it's gonna be fine.
I've been with this has been in the work for
a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: I wonder who it is.
Speaker 3: You probably really don't know who it is. But I
like surprises, Yeah I do too, So yeah, I think
it's it's gonna be a very cool Christmas episode. And
we're gonna do some Christmas stories, some I guess you
could say horror Christmas stories, So we'll see what how
that works. But tonight is tonight, and what we've got
is a couple of stories for you. Both of these
stories are more creepy true crime than paranormal, but I
think you're gonna like both of them. And the first
throe we're gonna do, I'm gonna thank Justin Rimmel from
Mysterious Circumstances. One of our bomb Pod brothers. He actually
gave me the idea for the story. He thought it
would fit really well, and then when I read up
on it, it did really fit well. We can go
ahead and announce that on April fourteenth, if you're in
the Cincinnati, Ohio area, myself and Tracy are going to
join Justin from Mysterious Circumstances and the guys Nick and
Rob b Ohio for a live show up there. We
still haven't nailed down the actual place yet, the venue
for this, but we just know it's gonna be all
three of us and it's going to be on a
Saturday night in April fourteenth. Then that should be a
fun time. So if you're in the area, that'd be
a good time to catch up. Yeah, at the end
of the show tonight, we've got two really good stories
for you. And then at the end of the show,
we have got an interview with our buddy Lee so
Well from Wear.
Speaker 6: Tracy, Don't Break the Oats.
Speaker 3: Andy couldn't join us, but Lee came on to talk
about how they fixed all their audio and now they're
some special guests and stuff they have on, but mainly
he came on because he's going to tell us a
couple of scary stories, one of which is in our
neck of the woods, and I didn't know anything about it,
so it's pretty cool. So that's what we got going
for you tonight. So let's jump right in here and
let's start trying to scare you a little bit. This
first story, all right, This first story takes place February seventh,
nineteen eighty one. Picture this twenty nine year old African
American man by the name of Leroy Carter Jr. He's
walking through the Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. He's
looking for a place to sleep. He finds what he
thinks is the perfect place to sleep, in a nice
little secluded spot next to Alverred Lake. Unfortunately for mister Carter,
he was not going to wake up from this sleep.
Speaker 6: You mean like Rip Van Winkle.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't think we mean like him, because
he actually woke up from his sleep. It just took
like a long time. Oh, this guy, unfortunately, was not
going to wake up. He was brutally murdered. Oh No,
The papers didn't really say much about it as far
as the murder goes. It was just more like kind
of a small blurb, which unfortunately kind of happens with
the homeless people a lot of times.
Speaker 6: That's so sad. I mean, their life is already sad enough,
but they can't even be acknowledged in a proper way.
Speaker 3: I mean, most of the stories that they had, like
I said, was just basically, you know, was based on
the fact that a homeless man was found dead in
the park. What made this case so different was how
Carter was actually found. He had been found decapitated and
evidence actually pointed to voodoo.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So let's learn a little bit about the area, okay,
because it's this area is actually pretty rich in history,
even though you might not know it right off the bat.
When I start talking about some of the stuff, you'll
know what I'm talking about. Alfred Lake actually sits at
the edge of Golden State Park, which is across from
the iconic Height Ashbury District. And some people pronounce it hate.
Some people pronounce it height, but it's h A I
G H T so. But most people say height. So
heighte Ashbury District. Now, this is actually the same area
where all the hippies congregated, like in the sixties and
the seventies of peace, love and everybody. You know, you
talked about going to San Francisco. This is where everything
happened at kind of like you know Woodstocks, where all
the music happened out place. Yeah, this was a cool
place and it basically the Hyde streets was just full
of teenagers and young people just trying to find their
purpose and in life.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that pretty much was it. And that's
where this thing first came to prominence. Now in the
seventies came drugs became a lot more prominent there, and
the peace and love segment kind of dissipated into the
heroin devastation and drugs and crime kind of took over. So,
like I said, it went from free love to epidemics
of overdoses, crimes and wow, kind of horrible. So in
the eighties the area kind of made a comeback. The
new generation was here. There was a very growing and
proud homosexual community that developed right there, and then it
was a scene that had a lot of comedy in
the area. This is where Robin Williams got his start,
This is where Whoope Goldberg got her start. So it
was kind of a big deal. So you started, you know, eighties,
it just saw a whole different.
Speaker 6: Eighties were the best. Eighties were the best year ever.
Speaker 3: That's when you turned like forty, right, But that's.
Speaker 6: When my hair was hot ahead.
Speaker 3: So you had all the going on, and you had
a mixture of white, upper class, middle class families there.
So this was the resurgence of the area. Now, when
I found this out, I thought this was kind of funny.
But the part of the resurgence that made it complete
McDonald's open at the far west end of the district.
Speaker 6: Oh man, that's no, that's when.
Speaker 3: You know, but in the eighties, you wouldn't think that.
You would have thought there probably would already been McDonald's
in the eighties there, Okay, I.
Speaker 6: Guess that can at well, that's probably not true because
I know when in the eighties we had to go
to Florence for our McDonald's.
Speaker 3: Okay, and nobody listening knows where that is.
Speaker 6: I know this, but I'm just saying my point I'm
trying to make is back in the eighties, back in
the day when we going to McDonald's was a big deal, right,
I mean, because we didn't have one where I lived
in dry Ridge at all. So I mean it was
a big deal to go, you know, three or four
exits down the interstate.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't doubt what you're telling me, but what
I'm saying this was a big difference between dry Ridge
and Florence, Kentucky, not having McDonald's and not having one
close to this place in San Francisco is a huge city.
I just I just expected him to have a lot
more McDonald's around them, a lot more.
Speaker 6: Well, I totally get that, but good for them.
Speaker 3: So just across the street from McDonald that McDonald's it
was built, is the Golden Gate Park where this tragedy happened.
It's a popular tourist destination. But it's got a lot
of thugs and junkies and stuff like that. So because
they're searching for fixes, the cops would kind of tell
the tourists probably a park the stairways.
Speaker 6: Yeah, don't go there now.
Speaker 3: Leroy Carter Jr. Was actually a man who was he'd
survived the Vietnam War. Unfortunately, like a lot of Vietnam vets,
he came home and basically had no direction, no guidance,
sending it up homeless.
Speaker 6: No, that's so flipping wrong. I can't stand it.
Speaker 3: I know that that's so damn wrong. There were so
many people from the Vietnam War, at least in the
United States, there were so many people that that came
back that they just total lack of respect. It was
almost like, you know, it was their fault that they
were there. I mean, and it wasn't a lot of
them guys didn't want to be there either. Yeah, but yeah, it.
Speaker 6: Was you know, God bless every one of them. It's
just a sad thing.
Speaker 3: So he actually found, you know, comfort being in the streets.
He you know, has used to surviving day to day
when he was over in Vietnam, and he felt like,
you know, if he could survive, you know, every day
in the jungles over there, survive in the streets in
San Francisco was no big deal. That's what he was
used to, That's what he was comfortable with. So he
didn't mind being homeless. Now, Carter wasn't perfect obviously, like
a lot of people. He committed some small petty thefts
and stuff like that, some small crimes that basically it
was just to try to make ends. Meat to get by,
he'd steal some food or maybe he'd you know, but
he wouldn't like robbing people and stuff like that, but
he would, you know, a lot of stealing the food
and stuff like that to just try to talk about
try to make it day to day. And they were
nothing about his life that seemed to be a link
to the occult or a voodoo or anything like that,
which makes the story all that more strange now. So
from the outside looking in, it just seems like that
he just picked the wrong place to sleep, wrong place,
wrong time. So what made it look like an active voodoo?
That's the question, because you know, we've covered that that's
what they thought, but we haven't really covered why. So
when the police found Carter's body, he was actually still
in sleeping bag by the lake. His head was missing,
it was sliced clean off. Oh god, there were two
corn cobs and a chicken wing that was jammed into
his severed neck.
Speaker 6: They'll see, that's gonna make me cry. You can't say
that stuff that is terrible, are you okay?
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: It just really makes me say.
Speaker 3: That's all right. Fifty yards away from his body, the
police found the mutilated remains of several dead chickens. The
case was assigned to San Francisco Police Department inspector Sandy Gallant,
and Sandy actually had just finished heading up the department's
investigation to Jonestown the whole Guyana tragedy with Jim Jones
down there, and there was some connections to that to
San Francisco, and she headed up that. So she kind
of became an expert in colts and ritualistic murders and
stuff like that from that experience she got from that,
So that's why they gave her the job. Now, many
colts in the area were kind of created from the
communal lifestyle of the sixties and seventies, which basically meant
when these hippies and stuff were during the whole peace
and love thing, a lot of them would get together
and they would all live like a bunch of them
ten twelve, fourteen to fifteen people in the same house,
and they had that it almost had a cult like
phil but they didn't really bother anybody. I mean, they
just were just living together and they wanted the same thing,
and they all stuck together. But they weren't violent or
anything like that. But by this time, most of these
things that kind of dissolved or had learned to live
peacefully amongst everybody else. And a few of them though,
did become cults, so that's why they wanted to look
into this. Now, this didn't look like the usual cult
activity of this area. So there's kind of signs and
stuff like the whole you know, Manson type stuff that's
what you expected to see in the southern California areas.
Speaker 6: More maybe they were more like gypsies or something.
Speaker 3: Well extent, it's just that voodoo wasn't something you saw
in San Francisco. That was more of a New Orleans
or a Florida or or what have you type deal.
So the dead chickens things pointed to something not common
at all in San Francisco area, and so she kind
of turned to the one of her friends, which is
actually Day County, Florida corner Charles Weddell. Now, Charles Weddell
was actually the country's leading expert in santarea, which is
why we played Sublime Santa Ria at the bottom. Now,
for those of you who are unfamiliar with Santa Ria,
I thought i'd give you just a little bit of
background on it. Santa Ria was actually brought to the
New World on slave ships. It began with the Euroup
of people in Africa. They were an African tribe that
lived actually in the central part of what they call
north central Nigeria today. Okay, So that's how it kind
of got started. It developed in the Caribbean and became
more and more of what it is where it merged
with some elements of Christianity before coming to the southern
coast of the US. And one of the more famous
things we've talked about, well you didn't, but Ricky and
I did. Robert de Dall. That was what the young
ladies that came from the Bahamas. The Robert de Dall's
family had gotten these slaves from the Bahamas and the
ones that actually raised Robert, and they were caught practicing
Santa Ria in the backyard and she banished them and left,
so the slaves had to leave. She kicked them out
and sent them back to the Bahamas. And before she did,
one of the slaves actually made Robert the dal and gave.
Speaker 5: It to ro Oh.
Speaker 6: Hell, interesting, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: So that's one of the more interesting parts of the Santaia.
So but as far as Santarea tho, sacrifice plays a
major role and most of the use of live chickens,
but there are some underground sects that we'll search for
human bodies. Oh, and that's kind of what we had
going on here. So Wetto informed Gallon that the ritual
wasn't complete yet. So even though they've got this the
guy that's decapitated and this other stuff done to him,
if it was actually Santa Ria, the killer would actually
return to the scene of the crime forty two days
later and return to victim's head.
Speaker 6: Oh no kidding.
Speaker 3: So they spent the next forty one days sifting through
any kind of evidence that might be able to help them,
and it went nowhere. So Gallant decided that she knew
that day forty two was rapidly approaching, and on March
twenty second, nineteen eighty one, Gallant and her partners were
back at the park waiting to see what would happen.
So they staked out the spot where his Carter's body
was found, and despite them being there, the killer found
his way back and placed the head in the weeds
right next to Alverd Lake. Oh my gosh, without ever
being seen. So now he had escaped from the senate
of the crime twice with cops right there. Watching, so
the killer had completed the ritual and gotten away again.
The head gave police no new leads and the case
went cold. So Gallant became an basically an outspoken opponent
of the role playing game Dungeons and Dragons. She felt
like that Dungeons and Dragons actually led team and young
people into suicide and cult activity. And she used to
give lectures one of the parents of the dangers of
it and occult murders and suicide and all that stemmed
from the game. And Leroy Carter Jr. Was buried at
Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia, which was pretty cool.
Speaker 6: Yes, very nice, Lee World.
Speaker 3: Carter Junior's murder is still currently unsolved to this day.
Speaker 6: Wow, unsolved.
Speaker 3: So I thought that was kind of a I'm.
Speaker 6: Just glad it got laid to rest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's cool. They took him all the way,
even though he was out in San Francisco, all the
way on the other side of the country. It took
him to Arlington because Arlington's a pretty prestigious place for
the military to be led to. Ask, that's where President
Kennedy is, That's where some rather famous people are.
Speaker 6: But I like to apologize to everybody. I didn't mean
to have that breakdown kind of but that I don't know,
that just tore my heart out knowing that that happened
to that guy. I'm just want to apologize for that,
sorry about it, and.
Speaker 3: That's why we can't do true crime.
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, that just killed my soul.
Speaker 3: So the other story that we wanted to do, So
once again, thank Justin Rymmel from mysterious circumstances for giving
us that cool story. I don't know if this is
going to be any easier on you than what that
one was, so well, I'll be all right, all right.
This one is actually one of the more I want
to say curious, but I'm going to say more confusing
stories in true crime history. Okay, so this actually is
the murder in room ten forty six. Then Jay is
extremely loud tonight. So this happened on January second, nineteen
thirty five. A man checked in the room ten forty
six of the Hotel President in Kansas City, Missouri, and
they said that he kind of looked like he was
tween ages twenty thirty five years old. He had a
cauliflower ear and a scar on his head. So they
had a pretty damn good description of what this guy
looks like. He signed in is Roland t Owen, okay,
and that's going to come into play a bunch. He
didn't have any kind of bag, so when the bellboy
actually took him up to his room, all he had
was a comb, a brush, and a toothpaste. That's it.
No toothbrush, well, it just said it sat a comb,
a brush, and toothpaste. I'm assuming the brush had to
be a toothpast okay.
Speaker 6: Good well, at least he had the most important thing
with brush's teeth. Good job.
Speaker 3: This case would soon become one of the most bizarre
in US histories. So these things were eerie from the
very beginning. As far as things that happened in this
it started with him settling into the room. So the
mate actually came up on the day that he checked
in to start cleaning, which is all I mean. How
did they come and to start cleaning the day you
checked in?
Speaker 6: I don't understand that it makes sense.
Speaker 3: This was back in the thirties. They obviously did stuff
different because you're going to see they come back to
check for towels and stuff like every twenty minutes. It
seems like, But so she says that when she comes in,
he's actually sitting in a chair. He's got all the
shades drawn and there's only one small little light on
in the corner, just barely enough to give any light
in the room. But he's just sitting in a chair.
And so she comes in and he told her to
she's cleaning everything, and he told her to leave the
door open because he was expecting a friend to come by. Okay,
it's no big deal. He left the room before she
was actually done, so she finished up and he left,
so she finished on what she's done, left the door
open like he said. Later, she said that he seemed
kind of nervous, either nervous or scared, but she just
couldn't really put her finger on it, but there was just.
Speaker 6: Something about it off with him.
Speaker 3: So she comes back a few hours later to replace
the towels, and she found him laying on the bed,
completely clothed, with all the lights off. So she thought
that was once again he's in the dark, but he's
laying in the bed, but he's got all his clothes on,
just kind of laying there chilling. She noticed that there
was a note on the table that said don I
will be back in fifteen minutes. Wait, she don't really
understand why the note's there because he's laying on the bed.
Who's the note for?
Speaker 6: Ow?
Speaker 3: So ten thirty in the morning on January third, the
same maid she actually returned to clean the room. She
found the door locked from the outside. So she's thinking, Okay,
he's gone, obviously because the door's locked. And I guess
you know this is back in the thirty So I'm
assuming you could lock the door from the inside the
outside where now you just got the keys in it.
But she could tell it was locked from the outside.
She opens it with her pass key, and she assumes
that O one's gone, but instead she finds him sitting
there in the dark. So then the first question is,
if he's sitting there in the dark, how the door
get locked on the outside, because you can't lock it
on the outside if you're still on the inside.
Speaker 6: So if somebody else had a.
Speaker 3: Key, somebody else locked the door from the outside, why
he was just.
Speaker 6: Like the dark a lot. Maybe I had a migraine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's the case. So a few
seconds later, she said, the phone rang, and uh, she
overheard the conversation and he picks it up and he says, no,
don I don't want to eat. I'm not hungry. I
just had breakfast. And then she said a few seconds
later he reiterated, I'm not hungry.
Speaker 6: Don't make me tell you again.
Speaker 3: More or less. Later that day, she returns to change
at the towns. That's what I'm saying. In like a
day and a half period, she done came in and
change the towels twice. Now see they came in to
clean the room twice.
Speaker 6: That ain't the world today. You have to use the
same towel like four different times.
Speaker 3: I see the water, so yeah, And they pretty much
tell you in the hotels hanging the toad unless you see
green mold and smell mildew, keep using the same towel.
Speaker 6: Oh God.
Speaker 3: So when she gets there to the door, there's time
to change the towels out, and she knows there's no
towels because she's already cleaned the room. So she knows
there's no towels in there. And she gets to the
room and she hears two male voices talking, and she
knocks on the door and they say who is it?
And she said, I need to switch the towels out,
and she said that some kind of a gruff like
a voice said we don't need any towels, which she
knew was alive because she knew there was no towels
in there. But either way, she took her hint and
she left.
Speaker 6: But I wonder why she didn't ask him when he
was sitting in the dark, sir, are you okay? Why
are you sitting in the dark.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess people back then mind your
own business.
Speaker 6: Oh dang, so that's my thought. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So a lot of this, as far as what went
on the rest of the afternoon, is kind of a
complete mystery. There's not a whole lot known about what happened.
But I know that later that night, a motor by
the name of Robert Lane said he picked up a
hitchhiker several blocks from the hotel. He said it was cold,
but the man was only dressed in pants and a
T shirt. He said he had a deep scratch on
his arm, and he asked Lane if he could take
him somewhere where he could get a cap. I don't know,
why wouldn't I just asked him to take him to
the hotel.
Speaker 7: What the hell.
Speaker 3: But that's what he said. So Lane said, he looked
at he said, look, hey, it looks like you're having
a bad night. And the man said, I'll kill that
son of a bitch tomorrow. Oh dang, that's what this.
So that's what this this. Roland Owen said, Now, how
do we know that this was rolland Owen? I'm not
going to tell you right this second, but it will
come to light later that that's who this was in
the cab. So the next morning, at seven am, the
operator at the hotel room noticed that the phone in
ten forty six was off the hook, so she sends
the bell boy up Randolph Probes to which was the
original bell boy who took him up when he noticed
that he just had no bags in the comb and
all that stuff. He gets up there and he notices
that the door's locked, and he's gonna he's gonna try
to come in, right and he's so he can't come in,
so he knocks and he says, hey, I'm here to
see about the phone, and he hears a voice from
inside say, okay, come on in. And he tried to
come in but it was locked. So he knocks on
the door again and he says, hey, I can't come
in because the door's locked, and the voice tells him
come on in and turn the lights on.
Speaker 6: Oh well, well hello, did you not hear me say
the door was Yeah?
Speaker 3: Once again, he can't do that. So this guy, you know,
the bellboy, he's assuming he's drunk, and so he knocks
a few more times and then he just finally just
yelled in there, Hey, can you please hang the phone up?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: So that was kind of the end of it for
the minute. So a little bit later they noticed that
it's still not on the hook, so they said, a
different bell boy up. This bellboy lets itself in with
the pass key and he just walks in and he
never turns a light on. He just walks in, and
using the light from the hallway, he sees that the
phone's off the cradle. It's been knocked over something to
stand where the phone was. So he goes over there
and he hangs the phone up. Now he does notice
that the guy leaning there in the bed completely naked,
bole naked, but whole naked. As soon as he's drunk
and with a little bit of light that's in there,
said that it looked like they're a little bit of
darkening around him in the sheets.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: This apparently didn't raise any kind of alarm or anything
to the guy.
Speaker 6: What he thought might maybe he threw you up or something.
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know what he thought it was, but
I guess he maybe just thought it was just the
lights playing tricks. So he gets everything done, he goes
back downstairs. Problem solved. A few hours later, the phone
was off the hook again, so they sent probes. The
first bell boy, who didn't accomplished anything, back up and
he used a passedkey to open the door, and then
he was shocked at what he saw. Oh, he said,
within two feet of the door, he saw rolling owen.
He was on his hands, his elbows in his knees.
So picture that. It's almost like you're just, you know,
almost in a doggy style type thing. Stay your hands down,
you got your knees. He's on his knees, his elbows,
and he's holding his head in his.
Speaker 6: Hands wait elbows like with his hands grasped just around
his face or right.
Speaker 3: I know that's kind of hard to picture, but he's
basically on all fours. But instead of having his palms down,
he's had his elbows and he's holding his head. So
if you think about it, you can picture it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he's down there and he notices that he's
covered in blood. So he flips the lights on, and
when he flips the lights on, there was blood all
over the blankets and the sheets, which was this coloration
that the.
Speaker 6: Other guy, that's what he saw.
Speaker 3: He there was blood on the ceiling, there was blood
on the walls, and there was blood all in the bathroom.
Speaker 6: Oh dude.
Speaker 3: They called the cops. Cops come in. They see that
he had been tied up, tortured. His head had been
beat several times with a blunt object, he'd been stabbed
several times. He had a collapse long that would be
found out at the hospital later, so they knew something
horrible happened when he later on the doctor actually checked
him out in the hospital, they had determined that he
had been tortured for six or seven hours.
Speaker 6: Oh man.
Speaker 3: And so he sat there with all those hours with that.
Speaker 6: So then when he was saying come in and turn
on the lights. I guess he was probably asking for help.
Speaker 3: Like hell, he probably didn't have a clue what was
going on, but it had already happened because, like I said,
he'd had multiple blows to the head. So when the
cops actually asked him what happened, he said that he
fell and hit his head on the bathtub. Okay, which
would have been kind of hard to just do considered
he had multiple stab wounds and blood on the ceiling
and blood on the you know.
Speaker 6: I wonder why he didn't want to say.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it could just be he probably
was just out of it, it's my guess. Yeah, And
so they go ahead and take him to the hospital. Unfortunately,
he slipped into a coma and died later that night. Now,
if you think that's strange, well you haven't heard anything
yet because the Strangers is just getting ready to start happening.
So the authorities scoured the room, Okay, they're trying to
find anything and everything they can so kind of evidence.
The only thing they really found was a label from
a necktie and unsmoked cigarette, a woman's hairpin, two water glasses,
one of which had four prints on it which was
possibly a woman, a safety pin, and a small bottle
of sulfuric acid. Now I don't know what they would
have used. The sulf furic acid for But well, if.
Speaker 6: That was a woman, her lips would have been all
over that wineglass.
Speaker 3: So what did say it was a wine I's I
just said it was a glass.
Speaker 6: Oh well, it doesn't matter, it's still be on there.
Speaker 3: The most baffling part which had to come though, the
police tried to confirm his identity because he was told
They were told when he checked in he was rolling
Owen from La. Well, they couldn't find a rolling Owen
that matched that description anywhere from LA So apparently he
checked in with a fake name. Why nobody knows.
Speaker 6: Oh no, it's kind of a cool name when you
say it.
Speaker 3: It's a lot better than what his real name turns
out to be. So the body was actually brought to
a local funeral home and publicly displayed. They were hoping
to find somebody that would say, hey, I know who
this is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know who this is.
Speaker 3: And they went ahead and even put it in the
paper everything that they knew about the case, hoping somebody
would come forward. Well, several people came into the viewing
and said that it looked really familiar, but it was
under different names. Everybody knew him as somebody else, and
police were prepared to just bury him in a what
they call Potter's Field, which is where they very people that,
you know, they don't have any family, they don't know
who they are. They were going to list him as
a John Doe and that was just going to be
the end of it. Well, the funeral home got a
very strange phone call. The phone call asked if the
if the burial could be delayed until the money arrived
to cover a proper funeral, and the guy went on
to say that Roland was his real name, and that
he was engaged to his sister sister his sister, and
he wanted them buried in memorial cemetery where he could
be close to his sister.
Speaker 6: So that was a nice gesture.
Speaker 3: It's still kind of odd that somebody is just going
to make this call as to who he is and
just offer the pay for the funeral and all that stuff.
So he he as he was on the he just
said that Roland got into a jam and the police
were on the wrong track. So it just makes the
phone call that much more odd. So the money actually
arrived anonymously. It was delivered by special delivery, and it
was in a rolled up newspaper cash in a rolled
up newspaper.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's cract. That's different.
Speaker 3: So they laid the body to rest in Memorial Park,
a cemetery under the name Roland Owen, which the caller
insisted was real. What's even more mysterious or equally mysterious,
some one say it's even more His money showed up
at a florist to buy a bouquet of roses a
specific amount. It was like ten I can't remember the
ten or I think it was thirteen, certain amount of roses.
It was like his twelve or thirteen roses of a
certain type of roses. And they wanted it to put
over top of the the grave site. Yeah, the gravesite,
because it was going to be done at the cemetery.
Speaker 6: Oh, I got you.
Speaker 3: But it came with a card that said love Forever Louise.
Speaker 6: Oh now, well, it sounds to me like somebody's conscience.
Speaker 3: Were somebody's But it just, you know, it just keeps
getting weirder and weirder. So now a year later, in
nineteen thirty six, a woman in Birmingham, Alabama, she's sitting
there and she's reading the account of what this murder
was in a magazine called American Weekly, and she starts
thinking and she says, man, the dead man listed here
might be my friend's missing son. So she goes over
to her and says, hey, I think we might have
found your son. And she starts looking into it. Well,
her son Artemis Ogle Tree.
Speaker 6: What excuse me?
Speaker 3: What Artemis Ogle Tree?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: What was his name? And he had left home in
April of nineteen thirty four. Well, he said he wanted
to see the world and all that kind of stuff.
She kind of went up to the Kansas City and
she confirmed that Roland Owen was indeed her son, Artemis
Ogle Tree. Keep in mind, the man confirmed that he
was this guy. Yes, so there's already a big contradiction.
But this mystery is far from over. So in the
early two thousands, seventy years after all this happened, a
guy by the name of doctor John Horner who was
doing some research and stuff like that at the Kansas
City Public Library. He received an anonymous phone call. It
was from out of state, and it said that this
guy that made the phone call said that he was
doing he had a client. I guess that was elderly
that passed away. So he's going through some boxes and
stuff that belonged to him, and he found a bunch
of clippings, newspaper clippings about the story. Yes, but he
also said he found an object that was mentioned in
those newspaper clippings. And then when doctor Horner asked him
what kind of object was it, the guy hung up
and he never heard from him again. Was no. So yeah,
so let's start talking about I guess some things that
kind of tied this case together a little bit. For example,
gene Owen, which is no relation by any means. She
was giving room ten forty eight next door the same night, Yes, okay.
She said she was continually bothered by sounds of a
male and a female voice arguingly violently in the other arm,
so she could hear this argument back and forth. I
supposedly there was a party going on in like ten
fifty six or something like that. It was, and so
it was possible that that came from there, but she
was sure that it came from next door. She also
said that she heard gasping, which she assumed was just somebody,
you know, drunk or whatever the deal was. She actually
thought about calling the front desk, but didn't so.
Speaker 6: She could actually make out the worst. They were Sam
and they were arguing.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she could make it out. She
could just tell that it was a male and a female. Boys. Now,
there also was a guy named Charlie Blocker. He was
the graveyard elevator shift guy, so he were operated at
the elevator at the nighttime. He said that there was
a woman that came in. He took her to the
tenth floor and she was looking for room ten twenty six,
which is close. It's ten twenty six what she was
looking for. Yeah, but ten forty six was rollins on,
so they think that maybe she was looking for his
room and she was confused. So she gets there and
she tells the guy, Hey, I'm at room ten twenty six.
I can't find the gentleman that I'm supposed to be
seeing now. According to the elevator operator, this was a
lady who frequented the hotel a lot into a different
lot of different men's rooms. If you know what I mean,
I know what you mean. He said that she called
back and said she couldn't find the man. Could he
come up to the tenth floor and pick her back up.
He does. He then takes her down to the lobby.
About fifteen minutes later, she finds she's got a guy.
They get back on the elevator, they go up to
the ninth floor and he lets him off, and then
eventually that lady left the hotel at like four o'clock
in the morning, and then the other guy left like
fifteen minutes later that she was with. So they don't
know if she has any connection at all, or if
the man or the woman had any connection at all
to the case, or if it was just random. But
it's odd that they were there that night and the
lady said she heard a man and a woman arguing
in that room, and then all this took place, So
nobody really knows if they had anything to do with
the case or not, but the elevator man seemed to
think they were very suspicious after knowing the facts. Now
at the funeral home, there were some strange occurrences too.
I told you there were people coming in and visiting
to try to figure out if they knew him or
not know him well. One of the guys that came
in said that he had just stayed at a different hotel,
a very high class hotel, the night before, under the
name of Eugene Scott and before that the Saint Regis Hotel,
So he was going in and out of all these
different hotels in Kansas City for whatever reason. So it
just doesn't make sense. And you add in all of
his constantly being in the dark, and there's strange phone
calls to the guy don and all that stuff. Who's done,
and you know, nobody really can find out how. You
had several bartenders in the area that said they had
seen him around town with two different women at the
same time.
Speaker 6: Sounds like it is a whoreor it does.
Speaker 3: Sounding like that, But they also said he always had
a different name that they didn't know him by the
by the roland O one. They knew him by other names. Now,
nine days later, a wrestling promoter by the name of
Tony Bernardi visited and he said that roland had shown
up to him and tried to become a wrestler he
wanted to, which makes sense because if you he had
a cauliflower ear.
Speaker 6: I was gonna ask you about that.
Speaker 3: A lot of like high school college am dresser, not professional.
A lot of them have colorflower ears just from the wrestling.
But he showed up, so he probably had a wrestling background,
so he showed up and wanted to be a wrestler.
But his name was Cecil Waring is what he told
him was his names.
Speaker 6: Don't even know how he could keep up with all
those names anyway.
Speaker 3: Apparently he couldn't. So the question is, was this maybe
a love triangle gone bad? I mean, was don and
this girl and him all, you know, part of something
the Fairy's going on? And then in the spring of
nineteen thirty five, after Roland died, three typed letters actually
arrived at his mom's house. And the first thing ought
about that is Roland didn't know how to type. But
these letters came, and the mom said that after she
got them. Like I said, obviously they came after he'd
passed away, which was odd, and the fact that he
didn't know how to type. She said the letters didn't
come across the base of the letters. It didn't have
that same vibe as from him. It's supposedly they were
from Roland, but she says she knows they weren't from her.
Oh who sent the letters? Because she said she could
tell by the writing that it wasn't the way he
would have talked.
Speaker 6: What's in the letter?
Speaker 3: Someone you know, a couple of different things. She actually
received a strange phone call from somebody named Jordan, and
Jordan said that he was living in Egypt and he
had met a real wealthy girl in Cairo and that's
where he had married her. But we both know that
wasn't the case, because she already knew that her son
was dead. So I don't know why this guy would
bought it a call and tell her all this stuff.
And the Jordan guy said that said that he had
actually saved his life, that her son had saved his
life in Egypt, but he had never been to Egypt.
And in the letters they all stated something similar. They
were all these different things about how he was living
abroad and all this stuff. But she had already confirmed
by the pictures and everything that her son was, in
fact Roland Owen that was dead up there. Well, this
is bizarre, and that is pretty much all we have
on the case, except for one little last detail that
I thought was very interesting. Her son Roland who passed away.
What her son was Artemis? He was seventeen years old,
what seventeen seventeen, So all this that happened as seventeen year.
Speaker 6: Old boy, Well, wow, so.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a really cool story.
Speaker 6: So it's very cool.
Speaker 3: That's about as bizarre as it gets. Like I said,
I know either neither one of these stories we did
were paranormal. Yeah, but I thought they both had facets
of what the hell? So to this day, nobody knows
who donn is. You know, was that the guy with
the gruff voice? Yes, nobody, Well, I mean it's the
same same murder. Well, I mean what I'm just saying,
But nobody knows who Donna is? Yeah, nobody? You know?
Was that the guy that was up there with the
lady of the evening that was looking for the room?
Was that on? Nobody knows because the maid, as many
times as the maid stuck her nose in there, she
never saw don But you know, and then you've got
to deal with the lady said, hey, there was a
man and woman up there arguing at night, So who
was the woman? You know? And then you got the
caller who calls the funeral home and says that Roland
was an ex fiancee to his sister and he wants
him in the cemetery so he would be close to
his sister. So does that mean his sister was dead.
Was his sister Louise? Was that why it said, you
know forever Louise.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I feel like Don has a
very guilty conscience, you.
Speaker 3: Know, ordered Roland do something to Louise and that's why
she's dead, and that this was Don's way of getting even.
But that doesn't sound right because he seemed to be
friendly with Don.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know how a seventeen year old has
all this experience.
Speaker 3: And then at the other hotel.
Speaker 6: Never in a million years wouldn't known even being seventeen.
Speaker 3: The other hotels that he stayed in, they were saying
that he had spent stayed there with another man. So
I mean, was there something of that going on, which
in the thirties wouldn't have been the most acceptable thing
in the world, you know, So who knows? This thing
has so many loose ends and nothing has ever been
tied up.
Speaker 6: I mean, it sounds like he enjoyed hisself.
Speaker 3: He probably didn't enjoy that last day.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure he didn't enjoy that.
Speaker 3: I wondering where the guy's money came from to be
able to stay at all these expensive hotels, and because there
was even the bellboy, the original Bellboy said that he
was going to stay in the hotel that I'd mentioned before.
I can't remember the name of it right off the bat,
but he was going to stay there, but it was
like five dollars a night and it was too expensive.
But the thing of it is he actually did stay
there because that they had already got proof that he
had stayed there the night before.
Speaker 6: I don't know that I messed up stories, I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thought that was a pretty cool story,
and I'm glad we did it. It was one of
the more fascinating stories that I've looked into. So but
I wish they would eventually find out what went on,
just so there could be closure. But I mean, everybody
involved with it is since pasted. I mean, how that
was nineteen thirty five, so yeah, it's been a long
time ago. Yeah, But anyways, that's what we got for
you as far as that stories. Now, I want to
do play this interview for you with Lee, And like
I said, it's a little bit of an interview just
about the show. But it's really fun because Lee tells
us a couple of paranormal stories. So your paranormal stories
are coming, They're just not coming from me and let
me know what you think about this one when we
get through, and we'll be run back. All right, guys,
we have our first repeat guests on the show. Well
I say that, but that's not really true because Andrew
Whitney was on, but she doesn't host a podcast, So
this is our first repeat podcaster that's on the show.
We're going to welcome Lee from Don't Break the Ealth
Podcast Are good buddies from over in Grimsby, England. Lee,
How are you doing today?
Speaker 5: Brother? Yeah, I'm really good. I just uh, we shouldn't
have left that grooms.
Speaker 3: Be bit out. Well, nobody ever did know, so I'm
I'm sure if grif Grin's be like a bad part
of England or something, or does it have a bad reputation.
Speaker 5: It's just a ship so well, most.
Speaker 3: People listening probably feel like where they live as a
ship hole, so it's probably probably not.
Speaker 5: We'rell in the same boat. You may make me feel
better now.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, and you have a co host on the show, Andy,
which is under the weather and couldn't be with us tonight,
so he's lost your gain. I guess you get to
talk and hog the whole mic.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'm grateful for the opportunity so much.
Speaker 3: To your credit, you guys have been doing this for
close to two years now, right April.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, I guess. I guess probably in different guyses though.
I mean, obviously I started the show with Steve, and
I think Andy sort of came into it April time
last year, so I think I've been doing it nearly
a couple of years with Andy and then a little
bit with Steve before that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, now, you guys, if you was to describe
your show, I mean, you talk a little bit about
everything from UFOs to paranormal to cryptids, you name it.
It's it's a little bit of everything. You've even had
some episodes on like flat Earth and that type of stuff.
So if you was to describe your show to someone
that hasn't heard it, how would you best describe it? Mmmm?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, it is a mixed bag in it. I mean,
it's predominantly paranormal, it's predominantly dog man, it's predominantly dog man. Well,
it's predominantly paranormal, but everything ends up being a dog man.
And luckily we won't need to go into dog man
today because Andy is not here.
Speaker 5: But now generally it is paranormal.
Speaker 7: Like you've like you say, Recover UFOs and cripterosology kind
of stuff as well mysteries.
Speaker 5: We have some.
Speaker 7: Guests on that you know, might bring up something that
people might not be aware of, including ourselves, which is
always fun. But now generally it is the paranormal, and
it's probably like you know, fifteen other podcasts that people
may have listened to on the paranormal, but we sort
of give it a different slant based on our paranormal experiences.
So we put you know, if we think something is
this way because of something we've experienced, then we'll put that.
You know, we'll give our opinion as towards that. I'm
not saying we're one hundred percent right. Well, and it is,
but you know, we're just giving our opinion basically, So
you don't just get the story. You get opinions as well,
and you know, some you'll like, some you won't. But
that's that's life.
Speaker 3: But you know, the reality of it is, and I
think I touched on this on one of our previous episodes,
is we're all really just given our opinion. I mean,
let's be honest. The paranormal there's well, most of us
believe it's still not proven. So I mean for me
to say, oh, Susie came in and this ghost came
out and this and that, that's really still just an
opinion because there's no proof that that ever really happened.
We're taking somebody's word for it, so we can't treat
it completely as fact. Ever, I don't think.
Speaker 5: No, I suppose what should wait? Then?
Speaker 7: Maybe better way to phrase it than is because we've
had paranormal experience ourselves. We don't necessarily necessarily but you know,
go down the skeptical route on a lot of this stuff.
We sort of take it has read that these occurrences happened,
has stated obviously, you know, we've had this issue before.
People have got in touch for us. But if we're
doing a UFO story, we're doing this UFO story. Okay,
so we're not. We're not there to talk about this
UFO story. Then start telling you that it could have
been you know, the Northern Star could have been Venus,
it could have been this, it could have been swamp gus.
You know, we try and we try and assume people
think that anyway, so we leave that out. So we
give our opinions based on, you know, the paranormal side
of the story, if you like.
Speaker 5: If that makes.
Speaker 3: Sense, absolutely, so let's do Let's talk about this real
quick because it kind of goes without saying. But you
guys have been on the show before. A lot of
our listeners already listened to you. But we did get
some feedback. You've gotten some feedback that some people felt
like the sound quality wasn't totally up to par I
know you and I have talked about that, and you've
taken some steps and now you've upgraded all your equipment.
You've got two or three episodes out on the new equipment,
and I think it sounds great. That's a similar setup
to what Tracy and I use. And I would just
encourage anybody out there if you listen to the show
in the past, and that was the deterrent the why
you didn't listen, because let's be honest, your content is great.
I love the content of the show. It's very enjoyable.
But I could definitely understand, you know, if it sounded
a little bit of a muffled while some people would
be turned off by that. So uh ever, you know,
to me, that's not that big of a deal, but
to some people it's a huge deal, depending on how
they listen to the show. But you know, that's one
hundred percent corrected, and the show sounds absolutely great these days.
So I wanted to point that out to anybody who
had listened that didn't realize that already.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, thank you, thank you very much for that.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, we did take you know, your advice
and and you know and others, and we did take
steps to put that right. And I think obviously some
of the shows that are still on the feed, you know,
the early ones, I've removed a lot of them because
of storage reasons, but a lot of the earlier ones
do have the crap the ship sound quality, shall we
say so? Yeah, but like you say, we've maybe done
three or four episodes with the you do, so at least,
you know, if you listen from sort of three episodes back,
so I think ups to seventy six or something of that.
So if you listen from sort of seventy onwards, you're
probably getting.
Speaker 5: The good ship. I'm not saying.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying what you're gonna listen to. What I'm
saying is the sound quality is good.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, like I said, the content has always
been good. That's never never been an issue. And you've
you're starting as the show goes on, you're getting better
and better guests on also just like we have. Uh
so you've got some some well established authors and on
everything from UFOs or cryptids, and some really good interviews.
So if you like that sort of thing, you can
definitely get that on your show. Plus, I think you
and Andy your your banter back and forth, and I
won't say arguing, but sometimes it turns into definitely a
difference of opinion. I think I think it really comes
crazy argument. Well I'm trying to be polite, but I
think it did. I think that's part of the charm
of the show. I mean, that's the parts that I
like because you don't always agree.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, that's that's what we think, because we think
sometimes we come off the mics and we think, I
wonder if people were saying home, you know, maybe two
people you know, And I guess it doesn't happen very
often where two people might be listening to the same podcast,
But we imagine a situation where maybe two or three
people are listening to a podcast and they have a
different opinions because with his paranormal stuff, you know yourself,
me and you have got different opinions on certain things
as well. So it's not because you know, it's not
like everyone's sort of we all believe the paranormalst we
all believe this, you know what I mean. It's you know,
like Mayor maids. You know, I think that's just absolute bullshit,
Whereas Andy believes on hundred percent that Mayor made Is
are real. So you know, obviously we've got a difference
of opinion there, and you know, so that obviously is
going to lead to some.
Speaker 5: Sort of well argument it.
Speaker 7: But we imagine that people at home would have similar
different views potentially, So let me make sure.
Speaker 5: You know, we sort of argue.
Speaker 7: I hope that people are following along the show arguing
as well with a bit of Look.
Speaker 3: So Andy actually believes there are mermaids.
Speaker 7: Yep, he's one hundred percent crackers. Well, he said he's
on the fence, That's what he said. He's on the
fence about mermaids.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when we talked earlier in the week, you
said you were going to work up a story or
two for us. So what I'm going to do since
we've talked about your show a little bit and what
you guys do, I'm gonna let you treat our listeners
into a story that you got for So I'm just
going to turn the microphone over to.
Speaker 5: You, Lei. Okay.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, obviously we spoke earlier in the week, and
what I decided to do is we we just recall
in an episode which is going to be entitled The
Coast That Kill because again this crops up every now
and again, we'll be talking about a ghost story, you know,
that a ghost that's got ill intent whatever, And me personally,
I don't believe that ghost can kill. Okay, I don't
believe such a thing as a bad ghost even you
know this, I don't you know, I'm a stay away
from the word demon. Okay, But Andy, he believes that
there is the such thing as demons. You won't do
a weedi board, for example, that kind of stuff. So
obviously we've got different opinions there. So we decided that
we do a show about stories where a ghost has
allegedly killed somebody or had.
Speaker 5: Some part in the you know, the victim's death. Okay.
So what I decided to do is, because we've done
a show on it.
Speaker 7: I decided that, you know, i'd come on you with
you and maybe touch on a couple of these stories
and get your opinion on them then that.
Speaker 5: So shall I start with the first one?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 5: Okay? Well this one is the.
Speaker 7: This is the Curse of the Grave of cal Prewitz. Okay,
And this is in your neck of the woods. This
is in Kentucky, but it's actually in is.
Speaker 5: It Poluska County? Pulaski, Pulaskis? I say it.
Speaker 7: See that's why you're here. So yeah, Pulaski County. This
takes place in back in nineteen thirty eight. Now there
is a bit of conjecture a bar, but I'll get
to that later on.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 7: So essentially what we've got we've got a guy here
called cow Prewitt who was a carpenter, Okay, And he
goes out, usual thing gets finished early, Okay. So he
comes home, walks in the house, expecting to see his
missus in the kitchen.
Speaker 5: She's not there.
Speaker 7: He goes into the bedroom and lo and behold, there
she is having it away a bit of the holding
out with somebody else.
Speaker 5: Okay, So there's another man in the bed Obviously.
Speaker 7: He's a bit pissed off at this, so he grabs
a chain because obviously you'll know you so if you're
probably got a chain in your bedroom for whatever reason,
he had a chain.
Speaker 5: Well, don't answer that. Don't answer that.
Speaker 7: But he grabs a chain, he strangles his wife while
this other fella he jumps out the window and off
he scarpers.
Speaker 5: He strangles his missus.
Speaker 7: You know, she obviously dies at that point, he's you know,
he's grief stricken and he realizes what he's done and
he pulls out his revolver and blows his brains out.
Speaker 5: Okay, so they both die at this point. Now, a
couple of days later or whatever, they go to bury
these two in this cemetery.
Speaker 7: Now, the wife's family really didn't want this guy to
be Obviously, these husband and wife, so there's going to
be buried together, and that the family didn't want this guy,
you know, just killed her, to be anywhere near him,
so they decided that they put him in a different
graveyard across town. So that's the first thing that happens. Now,
the story got around about this guy and what he does,
and urban legends sprung up that you know, his grave
was haunted and all the rest of it. So it
starts really like say in nineteen thirty eight, when these
three lads decide to go and investigate the grave. Okay,
so just three you know, teenagers messing about, and one
of the lads called James Collins decided to show his
mates that he wasn't scared of this curse and didn't
believe in it. So he picks up a rock and
froze it at the gravestone, chipping a piece of the
gravestone off. Okay, Now, the reason there was there is
because the legend had got around and apparently this was
true that over the course of a few days that
the gravestone had been sitting in the grave, it had
actually formed these brown circles started to form, these brown
circles on it, and they'd linked together to resemble a
chain actually on the gravestone itself. So that's why people
were curious to go out there and have a look.
So this little lad, James Collins, he chips a bit
of this gravestone off. He says, say, I'm not afraid
of any ghost did do it? So he jumps on
his bicycle and he's bike. You know, he's biking home
when all of a sudden, his chain, his bicycle chain
breaks free and manages to wrap around his throat and
strangle him.
Speaker 5: Okay, so he dies. So let me get James's mother. Okay.
She she goes to bury her son.
Speaker 7: She hears about how this apparently came about the let
you know, the k this was part to do with
the case that the lads tell her. So she's obviously
grief stricken at the time. She decides she's going to
go and destroy this grave in her anger. Okay, so
she grabs an axe, shoots off to the grave and
smashes it into apparently into into very small pieces.
Speaker 5: She goes home.
Speaker 7: She feels much better. She has a you know, she
has a dreaming all the rest. But anyway, next day
is just no he days. So she's going to do
the laundry. Okay, So she goes out. She starts picking
up the laundry on the line when the line breaks
or she trips into it, it's not clear what she
trips into the line, let's say, and the line breaks
and coils rather the neck, and obviously then she's got
it's tethered at one end.
Speaker 5: The weight of the washing on the other end.
Speaker 7: The more she struggles, the tighter it gets, and obviously
she dies.
Speaker 5: Okay, so another victim of the grave.
Speaker 7: Now it's alleged that when the people came to investigate,
the police or whatever came to look at this situation,
they found the axe that she the very same acts
that she'd used to break that grave. Okay, it still
had the granite or whatever the dust stall over this axe,
and everyone knew that she'd gone and done this because
she told people she was going to do this. So
that these two police officers have to go and investigate
the grave, because you're not actually allowed to go and
smash graves or even if the ghost killed one of
your relatives.
Speaker 3: Okay, is that just an English thing or because I
think we do that here?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's probably yeah, it's probably different in America. But yeah,
So the police officers go to investigate the grave. Now,
one of the police officers didn't believe this, you know,
he thought it was blown either, you know, the case
is no such thing. Whereas the other officer, he was
a bit more, a bit more of a believer, shall
we say, So he didn't want anything to do with it, really,
and when they get there, the gravestill intact. It's perfectly intact.
There's not a chip in it, there's not anything, but
the chain marks are still there. But apart from that,
the grave itself is intact, which you should be impossible,
but obviously we're talking about a case grave. So anyway,
they take photos and all the rest of it. At
the gravestone, you know, he sits on it and he
you know, yeah, I don't care, I'll sit on the
grave all that kind of stuff. So anyway, they leave
the grave the cemetery and they're driving back when they
notice a bright light in the rear view mirror. Now,
at first I think it's just another car or some
sort of glare reflection of something, but it's coming from
the cemetery, you know, way on. So the driver gets
a bit spooked by this because now he's a bit
you know, maybe the case was real kind of thing.
So he starts speeding up, but obviously the passengers turning
him to slow down to stop, but he's not going
to do it with this dislights following him. It's getting
closer and closer. So he drivers comes driving more erratic,
more speed, and eventually he leaves the road and plows
into a fence. The passenger, the guy who believed, you know,
the case was most likely true. He flies through the
windscreen lands in the field. After a short while, he
manages to gather himself, get his cell together, and he's
mostly unharmed.
Speaker 5: He's just got cut some bruises.
Speaker 7: But he walks back to the car to see if
his friend's okay, and obviously, on looking in the car,
he realized that his friend is almost decapitated because he's
managed to These two friends posted that the question to
had a chain across them. That chain again, and that
managed to almost decapitate his friend.
Speaker 5: Okay, so.
Speaker 7: You know, weirds really getting around now, and most people
are staying away from this grave at this point, but
every now and again you get somebody a bit of
a rido, you know. And this turns out to be
this farmer. Now, this farmer and his family were riding past.
There was on a horse and buggy riding past the grave,
and he says that, you know, I'm not afraid of
this case and all that, who draws his revolver and
fires a few shots into the grave, obviously damage it
in the process. Well firing a revolver of any or
any gun. To be frank while sitting on a horse
drawn carriage is not the most sensible thing to do,
because the horses get spooked, okay.
Speaker 5: And they take off running.
Speaker 7: Yeah you know, you know easily horses are spook, so
off the go. Now it's Some accounts say the family
jumped off in the panic. Some accounts say that the
horse and buggy crashed and that the family managed to
come off unharmed. Okay, But the farmer himself, he was
flung over the top of the horses, tangled up in
their reins, and as the horses run away or bolted,
he was strangled to death.
Speaker 5: So another victim of the grave.
Speaker 7: Let me come on to the final victim of the grave,
and this is a guy called Arfa Lewis. Now, apparently
this guy he heard about the case and all the
rest of it, and he was another one.
Speaker 5: He didn't believe it.
Speaker 7: I don't know why people just don't believe it and
just stay away from it, you know. But for whatever reason,
these people who don't believe it need to prove that
they don't believe it. So Arthur Lewis, he has a
few drinks I'm sure. And this night he decides he's
going to go and destroy the grave. Okay, so he
goes set with his hammer in his chisel, and he
goes to the grave and he starts whacking it the grave,
I mean, so he starts banging away with the grave,
and the people in the vicinity could could hear the
noises of the hammer and chisel striking the you know,
the granite or whatever the gravestone was made of. And
they say that the whacking of the ammur was replaced
shortly thereafter by screams, and then the screams.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden stopped.
Speaker 7: So a couple of the local villagers, if you calling,
you know, grab the torches and the pitchforse and they
shoot out there to see what's going on. And they
find him laid by the gates of the cemetery. Now
that the gates were slightly ajar, but there was chap
there a chain round them, okay, but he managed to
just prize up open enough to get through anyway. It
on the way out from whatever scared him or whatever
he was running from, he managed to run into this chain.
And obviously they're not sure whether that that was what
killed him, or whether he had an art attack because
of the shock, we don't know, but we just know
that he was found at the gates of the cemetery
with with you know, with chain marks around his throat
from running into him and dead. So another victim of
the grave. Okay, So at this point, apparently it's said
that the people who this is not a very big grave. Okay,
at the time, I don't think there's many people really
living in this particular area, but the graveyard had obviously
a few bodies in it, and people started exhuming the
bodies of their relatives and moving them out of this
graveyard because they didn't want to be in the same
graveyard as what was going on. And eventually the early
grave left in there was cow Pruitz. Now it's said
that the local I don't knowed to call it a
counsel in America, but you know, the local governors or whatever,
they decided to remove the gravestone once them for all
and put an end to this. So they removed it,
and it said that a mining operation a couple of
years later came through there and tore up the ground,
and you know, so that it's lost. Now it's lost
to history. So that put the end, that put the
end there to the curse. So what do you make
of that?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I believe any of that. Now
I'm just playing with you. I mean, I'm really big
when it comes in all these whether you want to
call them coincidences or I mean, I don't know, like you,
if I believe someone can a ghost can kill you
from beyond the grave. But I also don't think that
everything is a ghost. I think there are demons. I
think that there are evil presences. So do I think
that something could definitely lead a hand into something like that?
I absolutely do, because if you go into the whole
Bell Witch story, that supposedly is what happened when when
she killed John Bell was all from supposedly done beyond
the grave. So I do believe it can happen. But
I don't think typically ghosts in general are all nice.
I think some of them are evil, So don't I
don't doubt that that can happen. I don't know that
that's what happened there, but I don't doubt that that
could happen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the bill which she poisoned him, didn't she yep
allegedly well.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure whether to believe it's.
Speaker 7: Like you say, there's a lot of coincidences here, and
a lot of a few people have done a little
bit of digging on there is to try and see
if it was actually a real story. Now it's meant
to have taken place in nineteen thirty eight, but apparently
looking at the records and that there's no mention of
a guy dying by the name calpr in nineteen thirty eight,
But the closest they could find was in nineteen ten
there was a guy called enos.
Speaker 5: C spelt different.
Speaker 7: The original guy's name apparently was spelt pr u i
double t. This guy's name was spelt pr e w
i double t, so it's a different spelling. But you know,
Enos is it c prewit, so he could have gone
by cal prewit, okay. And this guy was forty four
when he died, and he died by a self inflicted
gunshot wound to the head, So you know, it sort
of resembles the story in a little way. And the
only other dead fact sort of can be associated with
this in that timeframe was a guy by the name
of Whitley who died on July sixth, nineteen fourteen, so
for four years after this guy died and he was
the farm and that crashed his buggy and died. So
historically it doesn't tie up to the dates given in
this particular account, but we do have people with very
similar names dying obviously a few years area. But again
that's how urban legends spreading it, So there could have
been some truth to this story, you know, in some
shape or form.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's funny because that's a story that's
I've been to Pulaski County. It's actually not that far
from my house. It's literally an hour and fifteen twenty
minutes from where I live. I've never heard that story before,
and you're four thousand miles away and you knew the story.
So that's what's cool about all these stories, as far
as you know, how you find out about them and
who doesn't know about them. So that's that's kind of
an amazing deal when you think about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, well, you know, just on that point, really,
I mean, I aired this is going to sound crazy,
but a few you know, a few years back, maybe
maybe five, six, seven years something like that, a guy
told me that he'd seen this creature. Now, we've got
a little woods in the back of Groomsby. It's called
Willsby Woods. And this guy reckons that when he was
a kid, maybe he was like a you know, thirteen
year old something like that, and he was having a
crafty cigarette at the back of the woods with his
mates and they said, there, we stood there and there
was all being quiet because I didn't want anybody to
know that was there. Okay, so this is during school time.
This is like dinner time, and just come out of
school to have a crafty fag. Anyway, they're all there
being quite smoking this cigarette when they air this stomping
coming towards them, and obviously, when you're a kid and
you're smoking a cigarette, you think it's a teacher. So
they all hunker down and they're listening for these footsteps
and they get closer and closer and closer as to
eventually they see that it was a corn field at
the back of the woods there, and they see the
corn starting to part, so someone's coming.
Speaker 5: Through the corn. So they all, you know, they're all.
Speaker 7: Fixed on this corner, the foot steps getting close and closer,
and he says that what came out of that corn
was a four and a half to five foot tall figure.
Speaker 5: Okay, ad The.
Speaker 7: The lower half was like that of a a deer
or a goat, the you know, the animal legs with
the hooves. The torso was human, the arms were human,
and the head was that of a well, he described
it looking like a rabbit slash goat slash deer.
Speaker 5: It was that sort of shaped face.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'd glowing eyes and it had horns, big, big,
huge horns. Came out of the cornfield saw them, They
saw it, and it just turned around and bolted back
into the corner and the beard. It go quite a
ways before they couldn't hear it anymore. Now, he told
me this story, and I thought it was full of shit.
I'm gonna be honest. I thought, doesn't sound very convincing anyway.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: A couple of years after that, you know, so this
had gone out in my memory and all the rest
of it. And he was sat in a cafe with
another friend, and he was talking to his friend about
this particular incident when this woman turned around from another
seat in the cafe. She heard them talking about it,
and she said, did you see that near of Willsby Woods?
Speaker 5: And he said, yeah, that was he Wills.
Speaker 7: He was when we saw it, and she said, I
saw exactly the same figure when I was, like, you know,
a little girl in the same place. She saw it
maybe maybe five or six years before he saw it again.
You know, we've got two stories now from two independent witnesses,
if you like, talking about the same creature in the
same vicinity. Okay, so then we you know, I started
talking about this to people, and Andy mentions that. He says,
its funny you mentioned that because when he was growing
up at the back of our ways and these these
woods at the back of where he grew up used
to be interconnected with this particular wood back in the day.
But obviously, you know, the area is built up now,
there's houses and roads in between. But in this particular
section of this wood there was a bit called Devil's Dyke,
and you're probably familiar with you know, when an area
has got the word devil in it, there's normally good
reason for that devil to be put there. Okay, So
this was called Devil's Dyke, and now when he was
growing up, he just fort it was. It was given
that name to keep you away from it, you know,
to scare kids away from it because it was dangerous area.
Speaker 5: It was you know, it was a dyke.
Speaker 7: But it turns out from talking to his cousin at
the time, that someone had actually seen a creature that
resembles this creature that I've described earlier, actually at this place,
and that's how it got its name, the Devil's Dyke.
So and telling this to a friend of mine and
he says, he says, you're sucking joking. I says, no, honestly,
this is you know, three different people have told me
about this now and he says, he says, one of
my friends told me about this, and he thought again
he thought he was making it up before his full ship.
But what he said he happened is he was walking
his dog around the back of a was he woulds
and these two people approached him running panics, you know,
ash and white, running towards him, saying run, run, run.
And obviously this is England, you know, we've got no
dangerous wild animals or anything like that. So he didn't
know what was going on, so he's just to deal
with his dog. These people run towards him. You know,
Let's say a husband and wife has male and female
runs towards him and they said, run, run, We've just
seen the devil. And obviously you run with him back
back towards a car park, and he said, what you
know he's saying? Obviously Eventually the slowed down and he said,
what did you see? And they described exactly the same figure,
but they didn't mention the glowing eyes. But apart from that,
they described the same figure in slight. This is probably,
I don't know, maybe one thousand yards away from the
original siting, if you like, book the opposite side of
the woods, you know, of seeing the same woods. Anyway,
that guy who's talking, and it turns out that a
friend of his also saw a creature. But this was
at nighttime and he was just finishing off your gut,
some gardening work for one of his customers, and he
just leant against the fence. This is at the woods
that used to adjoin him to this particular woods back
in the day. I like, I say, they don't anymore.
But he was less just resting against this fence post,
you know, having a cigarette. I finished his day and
he heard this thing approaching him in this dyke, you know,
this devil's dyke.
Speaker 5: What's there, he heard it approaching him and it came up.
Speaker 7: And he said it could just make out as a
shadowy figure, but he could see the red glowing eyes
looking back at him.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: So you take one story, but to get four or
five people saying a similar thing in the same area,
independent of each other.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: That's the reason that I enjoyed the power on normal.
Speaker 3: And I see that. I guess what I got out
of the conversation is you said, you guys don't have
any wild animals over in England, and I think you're
not including the dog man, which is made clear by
Andy roams all.
Speaker 5: The forest over there, that's everyway seas in supermarkets.
Speaker 3: He just has a he just got a big beard. Andy,
he's not a dog man killed him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but no, yeah, obviously you know now knowing this
dog man is is allegedly roaming around the British Isles
and I'm speaking to someone just either week and you know,
she colates, you know, cryptid the encounters. She actually played
some more into like a map if you like. And
you know how many bigfoot sightings she's recorded in the UK.
Speaker 5: You just have a gas three.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I before I I thought she'd have
ten or fifteen something like that. Maybe she's actually got
over four hundred reports of a bigfoot, white creatures sitting
in the UK. Obviously I'm not saying that they're all true,
but you know, when she told me that number that,
you know, blew my mind.
Speaker 5: And anyway that's cryptos to Wolds you, I'll be gone
to that. Well.
Speaker 3: We start talking about dog Man again, as it usually
turns out on your show. Did you say you had
another story besides the Kentucky one?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I could give you another one. This one didn't
didn't make it onto our show, so it's an exclusive
for you. I'll get to save you all the best
bits and just let me find it. This is the
story of the Undertaker's Bride.
Speaker 5: Are you familiar with this one?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's probably not for not for kids, this one,
so if there's any kids listening, turn up. So this
happens in the fall of nineteen eleven in London, Okay,
and it centers around this fellow called Edmund Smith who
was an undertaker, the local undertaker. Now we all know
generally undertakers are awardos, and this Smith was no.
Speaker 5: Exception to the rule. He goes into the local pub,
has a few drinks, gets pretty amored, and starts boasting
while he's still drinking in the pub to his friends
and people around that he was enjoying cardinal relations with
the young women whose bodies he was taken care of
at the mortuary. Yep.
Speaker 7: So he actually put it like this, he said, this
particular day, he said, I have sampled a beauty who
drowned on the eve of their wedding. Okay, and she
was actually to be buried in a bridal dress. So
you're not the most wholesome of characters, is he. But
a few weeks later, he's in the pub again, and
he comes in and these, you know, the look of
terror on his face, and the friends asking to see
what's wrong with you, you know, And this guy's used
to seeing dead bodies and that, so you know, he
don't normally get shot. But he says, this particular woman
appeared to him in his home. She appeared to him
decked out in a rotten wedding dress, and she begged
him to come with her. She actually said to him,
don't you want to be with us? Don't you want
to be with me together?
Speaker 5: Forever?
Speaker 7: My sweet you know, because he's been you know, doing
the holding out of her. Now she's fell in love
with him. So the friends didn't know what to make
of this. And he've had a few drinks and he
left the pub. He didn't come back for a few days,
and he was in there quite regular So people got
a bit worried and went round to his house, and
eventually the police had some friends broke into the house
to find a very grizzly sight. The fan, the undertaker,
the smith sprawled on the dead. His neck was broken
and an expression of raw horror was frozen upon his face.
On the bedside. Next to him was the bridal veil d.
Speaker 5: What do you make of that?
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess my question of what did most
of these dead bodies look like? I mean, are they
at least attractive?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean she drowned so much wrong with.
Speaker 3: Air well, I mean for some of those, depending on
how long the water could be like, you know, bloated
and unrecognizable. So maybe I'm digging too deep into this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe I think it must go on, there wasn't it.
Speaker 3: It definitely goes on. I mean there were stories back
when Marilyn Monroe was taken to the corner's office. There
were stories that somebody who worked there, you know, tried
to do some stuff to her. I mean, it's I mean,
it's it's a sad world we live in, so none
of that actually surprises me.
Speaker 7: Just so we can tell his friends that he know
he slept with Moro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it didn't matter that it was after
she was dead, you know. Still, Yeah, that part doesn't
get mentioned. So tell me a little bit about how
these guys can listen to your show. I mean, they
know how to listen to podcasts, so that really goes
without saying. I hate when people say that, you know,
it's on iTunes and all the other platforms. But tell
them how they can interact with you more. I know
you've got some groups and stuff out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we have a Facebook group called the Don't Bring
the Old Podcast Paranormal Hangout, and really that's it is
for the show, but it's it's not it's not just
solely about the show, you know, it's not people just
on their team. This is a wonderful podcast. It's in fact,
there's nobody on there saying that it is a place
where people can share the paranormal stories and feelings and
all the rest of it. And then if we do
do a show where people want to, you know, mention
something about the show, something we missed off or something
we said or whatever, and that goes on there as well.
Speaker 5: So rarely there's that. And then.
Speaker 7: Obviously if people want to send us the stories, they
just send them to dbto podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 5: And then if they want to look at the website
that is.
Speaker 7: Just don't break the oath podcast or one word or
phrase if you will dot com.
Speaker 3: And you've got a new shop up too.
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, yeah, we've moved shops now. We were on
the same shop as what you guys use.
Speaker 5: Seems to be.
Speaker 7: Pretty sweet looking at it. So yeah, if people want
to get something in time for Christmas, they probably missed
the boat.
Speaker 5: To be honest, I think it's getting a bit close now.
Speaker 7: But if they want to get on there and get
a Latine mug, I don't break the oath on it.
Speaker 5: Why would you? I don't know. If you do, the
shop is there for you.
Speaker 3: We had somebody by, We had somebody by a shower curtain,
so I can't say that. Yeah, yeah, and then somebody
else already asked me about he's trying to convince his
wife to let them buy one. So now it's become
kind of a thing, so it's kind of funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's shower can in every state.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be awesome. Well, brother, we areciate.
Speaker 5: Should we should have a map on your website.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are all the states that we still need
somebody to Wisconsin, I need you to buy a shower curtain.
Thank you so much. Coming on wish Andy could have
been a part of it, but uh, here, I understand
how it is to be sick. But the reality of
it is it was still fun, and I think the
the tone of the show, of your show was still
came through exactly because I felt like I was listening
to Don't Break the Oath while you were telling your
stories and giving your little summarizing statements of your thoughts
of the story. So if you're listening and haven't listening
to Don't Break the Oath, that's kind of what you get,
except you get two of them going back and forth,
and that part actually even adds to it. So but
I thought it really came across well as far as
showing people what your show was like. If they hadn't
heard it, and I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 5: Yeah anytime, mate, And I'm glad.
Speaker 3: You got new sound equipment because now I'll start listening
to the show again. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5: So you're the one thou.
Speaker 3: All right, brother, I greatly appreciate it. Tell Andy, I said, hi,
and looking forward to great things from you guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure we'll speak before Christmas. But I just
want to wish you in that Tracy, a very merry.
Speaker 5: Christmas, and the same to you guys, Lee chest Matie.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you. I really do love their show.
I mean, they, like I said, they had sound quality problems,
and I know that's a pain for most people. It
was the same way with me. I struggled to listen
sometimes to it. But now it is ten times better.
Speaker 6: Now and it's really great.
Speaker 3: And you know, I talked to Lee here a little
bit shortly ago, and he was shortly ago.
Speaker 6: Yeah that's the word, right, But that totally did not
make sense, Okay.
Speaker 3: I talked to him a long time ago, and now
I talked. I talked to him earlier today and he
was telling me that their listeners have almost doubled what
they were three weeks ago.
Speaker 6: Good for you guys. That's great.
Speaker 3: It's coming completely back up. And it's all got to
do with the sound quality.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well good, you guys deserve.
Speaker 3: It sound quality. And dog Man. That's all we talk
about on that show, is that, right, Everything everything turns
out to be a dog Man. It could be a UFO.
It's dog Man flying it. I mean, it's just.
Speaker 6: Hey, that's what you believe in, right, That's right.
Speaker 3: But we're gonna we're gonna do some more stuff on
dog Man. I've got some guys from the North American
dog Man Project that's not too far from us. I
think they're up in the Cincinnati area, so it's only
a couple hours away, and I'm gonna try to get
them on the show. We talked to him at Scarefest
and it's a long time coming. But they've got some
cool stories so the whole you know, if you get
into the Bigfoot and We're wolves and all that stuff.
They've got the cool story that happened in Kentucky where
they've actually got a documentary out where supposedly this guy
saw this were wolf type creature just tear a couple
of people apart. But there's still no record of it.
So it's one of those funny he saw it, he
knows what he saw, but there's no record of it.
So is there a cover up? I don't know.
Speaker 6: I hope that didn't happen. That's really not good.
Speaker 3: We'll get them on after the first of the year
and have them tell you the story, because when he
told it to me, I was like, I couldn't It
sounded almost too unbelievable. But you know, so many conspiracies
and cover ups are so well, guys, we're gonna wrap
this night up. We hope you enjoyed everything that we
had for you tonight. I think you're gonna enjoy what
we got for you next week. Like I said earlier,
So a little bit of a little bit of true
crime facts, a little bit of Andrea Whitney and telling
her story. And I'm telling you, I know I keep
teasing this, but her story, I'm just going to give
you a tidbit of what it is. She actually had
a friend that supposedly committed suicide. There was a lot
of questions about whether that was actually happened or not.
There was questions about whether the police investigation was done properly,
it's a small town, so a lot of things could happen,
and she's decided to look into it on her own,
and there's a bunch of paranormal things that have happened
to kind of point her in different directions. It's awesome
and the story that she told me, it was one
of the most awesome stories I've ever heard.
Speaker 6: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I think back to if you've seen
the movie with Kevin Bacon. What was that movie? You remember?
Speaker 6: Was it a movie or a TV show?
Speaker 3: No, it was the movie where the little girl was
killed in the neighborhood and he got hypnotized and he
could start seeing things and she was coming to him
to try to help him solve the murder. But that
was an awesome movie. And this when she started telling
me some of the things happened, and that's what it
reminded me of, was that movie. So but yeah, that
was actually stir of echos is that's right, Eckles. But
the things she was telling me was similar to type
things that you would see in a movie like that,
to where somebody's reaching out from beyond the grave to
try to help find out what really happened, and the
incidents that she'll tell you about her are just amazing,
So I can't wait to do that. So hey, how
about that for a fun Christmas? We got serial killer fun,
serial killer facts and people reaching out from beyond the
graves to solve that. And we're going to have some
some scary Christmas stories, some paranormal stuff that's happened at
Christmas time. One of them, I can already tell you,
involves a boy and his seven year old dead friend.
But it's a very cool story, so it's it's kind
of scary. You might you might start crying on that
one to Alright, guys, we love you and we'll see you,
so love you.
Speaker 6: Guys. Have a good week.