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Speaker 3: Welcome to your Billy Horror Stories.

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Speaker 1: And now here's your host, Rry, Tracy Pauline and their

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dog Mension.

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Speaker 4: Do you get mad when listening to true crime? Well

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so do I. If you want a weekly true crime

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Speaker 1: Well well well skill. With that being said, there is

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one more episode.

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Speaker 5: Until Christmas.

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Speaker 1: One more episode until I are right.

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Speaker 5: That what is that?

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Speaker 3: No, this will not happen said to be a thank God,

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no crystal bum. That's been good. All right, everybody, and

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welcome to episode seventy one of hill Billy Horror Stories.

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I am Jerry and I'm joined by Tracy. Hey, guys,

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getting ready for Christmas around here. This is our last

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episode before the Christmas Night episode, and we got a

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few little tricks in our bag for that special show.

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I have a bag, Yeah, Santa's bag. Oh yeah, gotta

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be excited about Santa Sack.

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Speaker 6: Hey, you know, I am so I wanted.

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Speaker 3: To touch on a couple of things real quick. Obviously,

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we want to thank all of our military from all

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over the world, no matter what country you're serving, and

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all of our first responders out there in civil servants.

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Thank you so much for everything you do.

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Speaker 6: God bless you guys. I know it's hard being away

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from your families, but no, we are always thinking about

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you all.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Let's cover a couple of our iTunes reviews for

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this week. We've got Amy Howkinsmith, Annano, Missy Oh, that's Falcon, Crocker,

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Parotis Graciato nice the Painter Rick and samanthe.

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Speaker 6: B thank you guys, and Patreon, thank.

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Speaker 3: You guys so much. Once again, you guys came out

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and bought some T shirts and stuff like that for

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Christmas this week, so we greatly appreciate that.

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Speaker 6: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 3: We hope that whoever you're getting them for appreciates them. Yeah,

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and I thought that was some cool stuff we did

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on Patreon this week. We just posted a show that

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we've already gotten some really good feedback on and I

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was kind of excited about it. We did the Builtmore

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Hotel in Florida, which was kind of awesome. Tracy actually

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researched and read her first story on the air.

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Speaker 6: I did, and I know that I need some practice

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doing that. So it's hard to keep up with Jerry's

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good storytelling.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate that or maybe you're just horrible storytelling makes mine

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seem that much better. Well, I didn't want to go there,

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but so we did that one, and then, uh, what

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was the other story we did? We did another longer story.

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It was it was a young lady. It was a

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story we didn't we wouldn't one hundred percent sure was

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a real story or not, but we prefaced that coming out,

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But it was a story about an armoir that was

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actually it was a cool story regardless. So you know,

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not every story we're going to tell on the show

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will always be a true account, so to speak, but

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it's always going to be what we think is going

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to be a scary story. So yeah, it actually probably

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came across more like a creepy Pasta type story for

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those of well, Creepy Pasta is a site to where

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people send in their stories, but it's basically like people

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who just create these stories and then they's to just

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to try to entertain other people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Creepypasta's the site.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, that's so fun.

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Speaker 3: It's been around forever.

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Speaker 6: Oh see, I don't meet you're out too much.

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Speaker 3: Oh we're aware. But anyway, next week's show we're probably

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gonna feature I know, Andrea is supposed to come back on,

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and you guys love it when she comes on and

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tells the stories. And she's supposed to come on. She's

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got something that is going to knock your socks off.

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then we also have a surprise from well, I'm not

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gonna tell you that one is you just have to

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be surprised as part of your Christmas gift, So that

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one you'll have to wait on. But I can tell

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you there is another pretty well known podcaster that is

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going to start doing a small segment occasionally with us

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about true crime facts. And I'll just leave as to

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who this mystery person is until next week so it

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can be your little Christmas surprise. But it's gonna be fine.

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I've been with this has been in the work for

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Speaker 6: I wonder who it is.

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Speaker 3: You probably really don't know who it is. But I

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like surprises, Yeah I do too, So yeah, I think

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it's it's gonna be a very cool Christmas episode. And

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we're gonna do some Christmas stories, some I guess you

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could say horror Christmas stories, So we'll see what how

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that works. But tonight is tonight, and what we've got

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is a couple of stories for you. Both of these

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stories are more creepy true crime than paranormal, but I

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think you're gonna like both of them. And the first

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throe we're gonna do, I'm gonna thank Justin Rimmel from

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Mysterious Circumstances. One of our bomb Pod brothers. He actually

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gave me the idea for the story. He thought it

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would fit really well, and then when I read up

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on it, it did really fit well. We can go

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ahead and announce that on April fourteenth, if you're in

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the Cincinnati, Ohio area, myself and Tracy are going to

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join Justin from Mysterious Circumstances and the guys Nick and

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Rob b Ohio for a live show up there. We

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still haven't nailed down the actual place yet, the venue

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for this, but we just know it's gonna be all

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three of us and it's going to be on a

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Saturday night in April fourteenth. Then that should be a

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fun time. So if you're in the area, that'd be

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a good time to catch up. Yeah, at the end

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of the show tonight, we've got two really good stories

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for you. And then at the end of the show,

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we have got an interview with our buddy Lee so

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Speaker 6: Tracy, Don't Break the Oats.

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Speaker 3: Andy couldn't join us, but Lee came on to talk

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about how they fixed all their audio and now they're

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some special guests and stuff they have on, but mainly

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he came on because he's going to tell us a

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couple of scary stories, one of which is in our

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neck of the woods, and I didn't know anything about it,

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so it's pretty cool. So that's what we got going

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for you tonight. So let's jump right in here and

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let's start trying to scare you a little bit. This

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first story, all right, This first story takes place February seventh,

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nineteen eighty one. Picture this twenty nine year old African

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American man by the name of Leroy Carter Jr. He's

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walking through the Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. He's

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looking for a place to sleep. He finds what he

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thinks is the perfect place to sleep, in a nice

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little secluded spot next to Alverred Lake. Unfortunately for mister Carter,

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he was not going to wake up from this sleep.

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Speaker 6: You mean like Rip Van Winkle.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't think we mean like him, because

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he actually woke up from his sleep. It just took

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like a long time. Oh, this guy, unfortunately, was not

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going to wake up. He was brutally murdered. Oh No,

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The papers didn't really say much about it as far

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as the murder goes. It was just more like kind

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of a small blurb, which unfortunately kind of happens with

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the homeless people a lot of times.

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Speaker 6: That's so sad. I mean, their life is already sad enough,

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but they can't even be acknowledged in a proper way.

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Speaker 3: I mean, most of the stories that they had, like

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I said, was just basically, you know, was based on

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the fact that a homeless man was found dead in

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the park. What made this case so different was how

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Carter was actually found. He had been found decapitated and

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evidence actually pointed to voodoo.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: So let's learn a little bit about the area, okay,

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because it's this area is actually pretty rich in history,

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even though you might not know it right off the bat.

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When I start talking about some of the stuff, you'll

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know what I'm talking about. Alfred Lake actually sits at

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the edge of Golden State Park, which is across from

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the iconic Height Ashbury District. And some people pronounce it hate.

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Some people pronounce it height, but it's h A I

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G H T so. But most people say height. So

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heighte Ashbury District. Now, this is actually the same area

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where all the hippies congregated, like in the sixties and

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the seventies of peace, love and everybody. You know, you

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talked about going to San Francisco. This is where everything

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happened at kind of like you know Woodstocks, where all

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the music happened out place. Yeah, this was a cool

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place and it basically the Hyde streets was just full

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of teenagers and young people just trying to find their

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purpose and in life.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that pretty much was it. And that's

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where this thing first came to prominence. Now in the

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seventies came drugs became a lot more prominent there, and

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the peace and love segment kind of dissipated into the

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heroin devastation and drugs and crime kind of took over. So,

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like I said, it went from free love to epidemics

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of overdoses, crimes and wow, kind of horrible. So in

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the eighties the area kind of made a comeback. The

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new generation was here. There was a very growing and

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proud homosexual community that developed right there, and then it

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was a scene that had a lot of comedy in

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the area. This is where Robin Williams got his start,

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was kind of a big deal. So you started, you know, eighties,

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it just saw a whole different.

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Speaker 6: Eighties were the best. Eighties were the best year ever.

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Speaker 3: That's when you turned like forty, right, But that's.

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Speaker 6: When my hair was hot ahead.

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Speaker 3: So you had all the going on, and you had

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a mixture of white, upper class, middle class families there.

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So this was the resurgence of the area. Now, when

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I found this out, I thought this was kind of funny.

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But the part of the resurgence that made it complete

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McDonald's open at the far west end of the district.

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Speaker 6: Oh man, that's no, that's when.

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Speaker 3: You know, but in the eighties, you wouldn't think that.

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You would have thought there probably would already been McDonald's

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in the eighties there, Okay, I.

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Speaker 6: Guess that can at well, that's probably not true because

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I know when in the eighties we had to go

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to Florence for our McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and nobody listening knows where that is.

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Speaker 6: I know this, but I'm just saying my point I'm

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trying to make is back in the eighties, back in

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the day when we going to McDonald's was a big deal, right,

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I mean, because we didn't have one where I lived

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in dry Ridge at all. So I mean it was

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a big deal to go, you know, three or four

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exits down the interstate.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't doubt what you're telling me, but what

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I'm saying this was a big difference between dry Ridge

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and Florence, Kentucky, not having McDonald's and not having one

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close to this place in San Francisco is a huge city.

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I just I just expected him to have a lot

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more McDonald's around them, a lot more.

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Speaker 6: Well, I totally get that, but good for them.

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Speaker 3: So just across the street from McDonald that McDonald's it

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was built, is the Golden Gate Park where this tragedy happened.

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they're searching for fixes, the cops would kind of tell

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the tourists probably a park the stairways.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, don't go there now.

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Speaker 3: Leroy Carter Jr. Was actually a man who was he'd

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survived the Vietnam War. Unfortunately, like a lot of Vietnam vets,

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he came home and basically had no direction, no guidance,

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sending it up homeless.

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Speaker 6: No, that's so flipping wrong. I can't stand it.

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Speaker 3: I know that that's so damn wrong. There were so

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many people from the Vietnam War, at least in the

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United States, there were so many people that that came

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back that they just total lack of respect. It was

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almost like, you know, it was their fault that they

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were there. I mean, and it wasn't a lot of

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them guys didn't want to be there either. Yeah, but yeah, it.

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Speaker 6: Was you know, God bless every one of them. It's

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just a sad thing.

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Speaker 3: So he actually found, you know, comfort being in the streets.

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He you know, has used to surviving day to day

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when he was over in Vietnam, and he felt like,

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you know, if he could survive, you know, every day

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in the jungles over there, survive in the streets in

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San Francisco was no big deal. That's what he was

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used to, That's what he was comfortable with. So he

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didn't mind being homeless. Now, Carter wasn't perfect obviously, like

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a lot of people. He committed some small petty thefts

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and stuff like that, some small crimes that basically it

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was just to try to make ends. Meat to get by,

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he'd steal some food or maybe he'd you know, but

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he wouldn't like robbing people and stuff like that, but

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he would, you know, a lot of stealing the food

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and stuff like that to just try to talk about

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try to make it day to day. And they were

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nothing about his life that seemed to be a link

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to the occult or a voodoo or anything like that,

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which makes the story all that more strange now. So

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from the outside looking in, it just seems like that

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he just picked the wrong place to sleep, wrong place,

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wrong time. So what made it look like an active voodoo?

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That's the question, because you know, we've covered that that's

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what they thought, but we haven't really covered why. So

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when the police found Carter's body, he was actually still

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in sleeping bag by the lake. His head was missing,

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it was sliced clean off. Oh god, there were two

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corn cobs and a chicken wing that was jammed into

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his severed neck.

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Speaker 6: They'll see, that's gonna make me cry. You can't say

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that stuff that is terrible, are you okay?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: It just really makes me say.

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Speaker 3: That's all right. Fifty yards away from his body, the

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police found the mutilated remains of several dead chickens. The

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case was assigned to San Francisco Police Department inspector Sandy Gallant,

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and Sandy actually had just finished heading up the department's

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investigation to Jonestown the whole Guyana tragedy with Jim Jones

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down there, and there was some connections to that to

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San Francisco, and she headed up that. So she kind

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of became an expert in colts and ritualistic murders and

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stuff like that from that experience she got from that,

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So that's why they gave her the job. Now, many

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colts in the area were kind of created from the

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communal lifestyle of the sixties and seventies, which basically meant

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when these hippies and stuff were during the whole peace

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and love thing, a lot of them would get together

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and they would all live like a bunch of them

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ten twelve, fourteen to fifteen people in the same house,

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and they had that it almost had a cult like

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phil but they didn't really bother anybody. I mean, they

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just were just living together and they wanted the same thing,

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and they all stuck together. But they weren't violent or

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anything like that. But by this time, most of these

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things that kind of dissolved or had learned to live

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peacefully amongst everybody else. And a few of them though,

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did become cults, so that's why they wanted to look

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into this. Now, this didn't look like the usual cult

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activity of this area. So there's kind of signs and

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stuff like the whole you know, Manson type stuff that's

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what you expected to see in the southern California areas.

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Speaker 6: More maybe they were more like gypsies or something.

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Speaker 3: Well extent, it's just that voodoo wasn't something you saw

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in San Francisco. That was more of a New Orleans

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or a Florida or or what have you type deal.

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So the dead chickens things pointed to something not common

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at all in San Francisco area, and so she kind

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of turned to the one of her friends, which is

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actually Day County, Florida corner Charles Weddell. Now, Charles Weddell

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was actually the country's leading expert in santarea, which is

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why we played Sublime Santa Ria at the bottom. Now,

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for those of you who are unfamiliar with Santa Ria,

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I thought i'd give you just a little bit of

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background on it. Santa Ria was actually brought to the

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New World on slave ships. It began with the Euroup

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of people in Africa. They were an African tribe that

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lived actually in the central part of what they call

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north central Nigeria today. Okay, So that's how it kind

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of got started. It developed in the Caribbean and became

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more and more of what it is where it merged

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with some elements of Christianity before coming to the southern

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coast of the US. And one of the more famous

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things we've talked about, well you didn't, but Ricky and

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I did. Robert de Dall. That was what the young

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ladies that came from the Bahamas. The Robert de Dall's

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family had gotten these slaves from the Bahamas and the

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ones that actually raised Robert, and they were caught practicing

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Santa Ria in the backyard and she banished them and left,

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so the slaves had to leave. She kicked them out

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and sent them back to the Bahamas. And before she did,

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one of the slaves actually made Robert the dal and gave.

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Speaker 5: It to ro Oh.

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Speaker 6: Hell, interesting, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: So that's one of the more interesting parts of the Santaia.

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So but as far as Santarea tho, sacrifice plays a

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major role and most of the use of live chickens,

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but there are some underground sects that we'll search for

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human bodies. Oh, and that's kind of what we had

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going on here. So Wetto informed Gallon that the ritual

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wasn't complete yet. So even though they've got this the

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guy that's decapitated and this other stuff done to him,

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if it was actually Santa Ria, the killer would actually

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return to the scene of the crime forty two days

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later and return to victim's head.

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Speaker 6: Oh no kidding.

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Speaker 3: So they spent the next forty one days sifting through

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any kind of evidence that might be able to help them,

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and it went nowhere. So Gallant decided that she knew

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that day forty two was rapidly approaching, and on March

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twenty second, nineteen eighty one, Gallant and her partners were

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back at the park waiting to see what would happen.

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So they staked out the spot where his Carter's body

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was found, and despite them being there, the killer found

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his way back and placed the head in the weeds

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right next to Alverd Lake. Oh my gosh, without ever

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being seen. So now he had escaped from the senate

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of the crime twice with cops right there. Watching, so

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the killer had completed the ritual and gotten away again.

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The head gave police no new leads and the case

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went cold. So Gallant became an basically an outspoken opponent

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of the role playing game Dungeons and Dragons. She felt

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like that Dungeons and Dragons actually led team and young

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people into suicide and cult activity. And she used to

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give lectures one of the parents of the dangers of

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it and occult murders and suicide and all that stemmed

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from the game. And Leroy Carter Jr. Was buried at

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Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia, which was pretty cool.

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Speaker 6: Yes, very nice, Lee World.

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Speaker 3: Carter Junior's murder is still currently unsolved to this day.

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Speaker 6: Wow, unsolved.

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Speaker 3: So I thought that was kind of a I'm.

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Speaker 6: Just glad it got laid to rest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's cool. They took him all the way,

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even though he was out in San Francisco, all the

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way on the other side of the country. It took

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him to Arlington because Arlington's a pretty prestigious place for

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the military to be led to. Ask, that's where President

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Kennedy is, That's where some rather famous people are.

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Speaker 6: But I like to apologize to everybody. I didn't mean

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to have that breakdown kind of but that I don't know,

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that just tore my heart out knowing that that happened

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to that guy. I'm just want to apologize for that,

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sorry about it, and.

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Speaker 3: That's why we can't do true crime.

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Speaker 6: Oh gosh, that just killed my soul.

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Speaker 3: So the other story that we wanted to do, So

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once again, thank Justin Rymmel from mysterious circumstances for giving

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us that cool story. I don't know if this is

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going to be any easier on you than what that

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one was, so well, I'll be all right, all right.

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This one is actually one of the more I want

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to say curious, but I'm going to say more confusing

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stories in true crime history. Okay, so this actually is

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the murder in room ten forty six. Then Jay is

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extremely loud tonight. So this happened on January second, nineteen

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thirty five. A man checked in the room ten forty

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six of the Hotel President in Kansas City, Missouri, and

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they said that he kind of looked like he was

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tween ages twenty thirty five years old. He had a

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cauliflower ear and a scar on his head. So they

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had a pretty damn good description of what this guy

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looks like. He signed in is Roland t Owen, okay,

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and that's going to come into play a bunch. He

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didn't have any kind of bag, so when the bellboy

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actually took him up to his room, all he had

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was a comb, a brush, and a toothpaste. That's it.

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No toothbrush, well, it just said it sat a comb,

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a brush, and toothpaste. I'm assuming the brush had to

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be a toothpast okay.

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Speaker 6: Good well, at least he had the most important thing

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with brush's teeth. Good job.

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Speaker 3: This case would soon become one of the most bizarre

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in US histories. So these things were eerie from the

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very beginning. As far as things that happened in this

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it started with him settling into the room. So the

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mate actually came up on the day that he checked

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in to start cleaning, which is all I mean. How

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did they come and to start cleaning the day you

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checked in?

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Speaker 6: I don't understand that it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: This was back in the thirties. They obviously did stuff

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different because you're going to see they come back to

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check for towels and stuff like every twenty minutes. It

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seems like, But so she says that when she comes in,

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he's actually sitting in a chair. He's got all the

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shades drawn and there's only one small little light on

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in the corner, just barely enough to give any light

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in the room. But he's just sitting in a chair.

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And so she comes in and he told her to

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she's cleaning everything, and he told her to leave the

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door open because he was expecting a friend to come by. Okay,

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it's no big deal. He left the room before she

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was actually done, so she finished up and he left,

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so she finished on what she's done, left the door

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open like he said. Later, she said that he seemed

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kind of nervous, either nervous or scared, but she just

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couldn't really put her finger on it, but there was just.

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Speaker 6: Something about it off with him.

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Speaker 3: So she comes back a few hours later to replace

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the towels, and she found him laying on the bed,

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completely clothed, with all the lights off. So she thought

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that was once again he's in the dark, but he's

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laying in the bed, but he's got all his clothes on,

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just kind of laying there chilling. She noticed that there

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was a note on the table that said don I

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will be back in fifteen minutes. Wait, she don't really

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understand why the note's there because he's laying on the bed.

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Who's the note for?

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Speaker 6: Ow?

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Speaker 3: So ten thirty in the morning on January third, the

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same maid she actually returned to clean the room. She

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found the door locked from the outside. So she's thinking, Okay,

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he's gone, obviously because the door's locked. And I guess

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you know this is back in the thirty So I'm

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assuming you could lock the door from the inside the

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outside where now you just got the keys in it.

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But she could tell it was locked from the outside.

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She opens it with her pass key, and she assumes

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that O one's gone, but instead she finds him sitting

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there in the dark. So then the first question is,

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if he's sitting there in the dark, how the door

475
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,599
get locked on the outside, because you can't lock it

476
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:06,559
on the outside if you're still on the inside.

477
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,839
Speaker 6: So if somebody else had a.

478
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,319
Speaker 3: Key, somebody else locked the door from the outside, why

479
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:11,839
he was just.

480
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 6: Like the dark a lot. Maybe I had a migraine.

481
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's the case. So a few

482
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,400
seconds later, she said, the phone rang, and uh, she

483
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,559
overheard the conversation and he picks it up and he says, no,

484
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,480
don I don't want to eat. I'm not hungry. I

485
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,640
just had breakfast. And then she said a few seconds

486
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,119
later he reiterated, I'm not hungry.

487
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 6: Don't make me tell you again.

488
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: More or less. Later that day, she returns to change

489
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,559
at the towns. That's what I'm saying. In like a

490
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,359
day and a half period, she done came in and

491
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,519
change the towels twice. Now see they came in to

492
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:46,480
clean the room twice.

493
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 6: That ain't the world today. You have to use the

494
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,519
same towel like four different times.

495
00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 3: I see the water, so yeah, And they pretty much

496
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,759
tell you in the hotels hanging the toad unless you see

497
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:59,039
green mold and smell mildew, keep using the same towel.

498
00:26:59,079 --> 00:26:59,599
Speaker 6: Oh God.

499
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,039
Speaker 3: So when she gets there to the door, there's time

500
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,079
to change the towels out, and she knows there's no

501
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,640
towels because she's already cleaned the room. So she knows

502
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240
there's no towels in there. And she gets to the

503
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,240
room and she hears two male voices talking, and she

504
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:17,119
knocks on the door and they say who is it?

505
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,839
And she said, I need to switch the towels out,

506
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,119
and she said that some kind of a gruff like

507
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,039
a voice said we don't need any towels, which she

508
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,200
knew was alive because she knew there was no towels

509
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,359
in there. But either way, she took her hint and

510
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:37,880
she left.

511
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 6: But I wonder why she didn't ask him when he

512
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,200
was sitting in the dark, sir, are you okay? Why

513
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,160
are you sitting in the dark.

514
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,039
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess people back then mind your

515
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:45,599
own business.

516
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,279
Speaker 6: Oh dang, so that's my thought. Yeah.

517
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: So a lot of this, as far as what went

518
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,079
on the rest of the afternoon, is kind of a

519
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,599
complete mystery. There's not a whole lot known about what happened.

520
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,240
But I know that later that night, a motor by

521
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,319
the name of Robert Lane said he picked up a

522
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,599
hitchhiker several blocks from the hotel. He said it was cold,

523
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,119
but the man was only dressed in pants and a

524
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,160
T shirt. He said he had a deep scratch on

525
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,720
his arm, and he asked Lane if he could take

526
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,920
him somewhere where he could get a cap. I don't know,

527
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,319
why wouldn't I just asked him to take him to

528
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,720
the hotel.

529
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 7: What the hell.

530
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 3: But that's what he said. So Lane said, he looked

531
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,119
at he said, look, hey, it looks like you're having

532
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,079
a bad night. And the man said, I'll kill that

533
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,039
son of a bitch tomorrow. Oh dang, that's what this.

534
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,680
So that's what this this. Roland Owen said, Now, how

535
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,839
do we know that this was rolland Owen? I'm not

536
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,240
going to tell you right this second, but it will

537
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,640
come to light later that that's who this was in

538
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,359
the cab. So the next morning, at seven am, the

539
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,920
operator at the hotel room noticed that the phone in

540
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400
ten forty six was off the hook, so she sends

541
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,720
the bell boy up Randolph Probes to which was the

542
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:02,200
original bell boy who took him up when he noticed

543
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,440
that he just had no bags in the comb and

544
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:09,319
all that stuff. He gets up there and he notices

545
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,440
that the door's locked, and he's gonna he's gonna try

546
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,079
to come in, right and he's so he can't come in,

547
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:18,119
so he knocks and he says, hey, I'm here to

548
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920
see about the phone, and he hears a voice from

549
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,599
inside say, okay, come on in. And he tried to

550
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,640
come in but it was locked. So he knocks on

551
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,960
the door again and he says, hey, I can't come

552
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,839
in because the door's locked, and the voice tells him

553
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:35,799
come on in and turn the lights on.

554
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 6: Oh well, well hello, did you not hear me say

555
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,279
the door was Yeah?

556
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,759
Speaker 3: Once again, he can't do that. So this guy, you know,

557
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,559
the bellboy, he's assuming he's drunk, and so he knocks

558
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:46,119
a few more times and then he just finally just

559
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,960
yelled in there, Hey, can you please hang the phone up?

560
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,119
Speaker 6: Oh yeah.

561
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,079
Speaker 3: So that was kind of the end of it for

562
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,440
the minute. So a little bit later they noticed that

563
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,240
it's still not on the hook, so they said, a

564
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,079
different bell boy up. This bellboy lets itself in with

565
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:05,119
the pass key and he just walks in and he

566
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,160
never turns a light on. He just walks in, and

567
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,359
using the light from the hallway, he sees that the

568
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,559
phone's off the cradle. It's been knocked over something to

569
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,359
stand where the phone was. So he goes over there

570
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,880
and he hangs the phone up. Now he does notice

571
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,400
that the guy leaning there in the bed completely naked,

572
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,799
bole naked, but whole naked. As soon as he's drunk

573
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,720
and with a little bit of light that's in there,

574
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,359
said that it looked like they're a little bit of

575
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,000
darkening around him in the sheets.

576
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:32,119
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.

577
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:35,839
Speaker 3: This apparently didn't raise any kind of alarm or anything

578
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:36,240
to the guy.

579
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,559
Speaker 6: What he thought might maybe he threw you up or something.

580
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,079
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know what he thought it was, but

581
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,559
I guess he maybe just thought it was just the

582
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,839
lights playing tricks. So he gets everything done, he goes

583
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,279
back downstairs. Problem solved. A few hours later, the phone

584
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,799
was off the hook again, so they sent probes. The

585
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:59,160
first bell boy, who didn't accomplished anything, back up and

586
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:01,599
he used a passedkey to open the door, and then

587
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,039
he was shocked at what he saw. Oh, he said,

588
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:08,880
within two feet of the door, he saw rolling owen.

589
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,759
He was on his hands, his elbows in his knees.

590
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:18,799
So picture that. It's almost like you're just, you know,

591
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,880
almost in a doggy style type thing. Stay your hands down,

592
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,079
you got your knees. He's on his knees, his elbows,

593
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,680
and he's holding his head in his.

594
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:34,279
Speaker 6: Hands wait elbows like with his hands grasped just around

595
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,000
his face or right.

596
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,599
Speaker 3: I know that's kind of hard to picture, but he's

597
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,640
basically on all fours. But instead of having his palms down,

598
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,799
he's had his elbows and he's holding his head. So

599
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:46,599
if you think about it, you can picture it.

600
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

601
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he's down there and he notices that he's

602
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:53,880
covered in blood. So he flips the lights on, and

603
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,359
when he flips the lights on, there was blood all

604
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,200
over the blankets and the sheets, which was this coloration

605
00:31:59,319 --> 00:31:59,599
that the.

606
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 6: Other guy, that's what he saw.

607
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: He there was blood on the ceiling, there was blood

608
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,799
on the walls, and there was blood all in the bathroom.

609
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 6: Oh dude.

610
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: They called the cops. Cops come in. They see that

611
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:18,200
he had been tied up, tortured. His head had been

612
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,079
beat several times with a blunt object, he'd been stabbed

613
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:24,359
several times. He had a collapse long that would be

614
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,119
found out at the hospital later, so they knew something

615
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,079
horrible happened when he later on the doctor actually checked

616
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,440
him out in the hospital, they had determined that he

617
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,839
had been tortured for six or seven hours.

618
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 6: Oh man.

619
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: And so he sat there with all those hours with that.

620
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,519
Speaker 6: So then when he was saying come in and turn

621
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,240
on the lights. I guess he was probably asking for help.

622
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: Like hell, he probably didn't have a clue what was

623
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,200
going on, but it had already happened because, like I said,

624
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,680
he'd had multiple blows to the head. So when the

625
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,720
cops actually asked him what happened, he said that he

626
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:01,160
fell and hit his head on the bathtub. Okay, which

627
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,000
would have been kind of hard to just do considered

628
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,079
he had multiple stab wounds and blood on the ceiling

629
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:07,400
and blood on the you know.

630
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 6: I wonder why he didn't want to say.

631
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it could just be he probably

632
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,480
was just out of it, it's my guess. Yeah, And

633
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,599
so they go ahead and take him to the hospital. Unfortunately,

634
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,279
he slipped into a coma and died later that night. Now,

635
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,599
if you think that's strange, well you haven't heard anything

636
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,119
yet because the Strangers is just getting ready to start happening.

637
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,000
So the authorities scoured the room, Okay, they're trying to

638
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,440
find anything and everything they can so kind of evidence.

639
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:37,599
The only thing they really found was a label from

640
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:43,880
a necktie and unsmoked cigarette, a woman's hairpin, two water glasses,

641
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,079
one of which had four prints on it which was

642
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,319
possibly a woman, a safety pin, and a small bottle

643
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,400
of sulfuric acid. Now I don't know what they would

644
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,480
have used. The sulf furic acid for But well, if.

645
00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 6: That was a woman, her lips would have been all

646
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,880
over that wineglass.

647
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: So what did say it was a wine I's I

648
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,519
just said it was a glass.

649
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 6: Oh well, it doesn't matter, it's still be on there.

650
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: The most baffling part which had to come though, the

651
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,679
police tried to confirm his identity because he was told

652
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:12,760
They were told when he checked in he was rolling

653
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,800
Owen from La. Well, they couldn't find a rolling Owen

654
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,599
that matched that description anywhere from LA So apparently he

655
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,800
checked in with a fake name. Why nobody knows.

656
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 6: Oh no, it's kind of a cool name when you

657
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,039
say it.

658
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:29,679
Speaker 3: It's a lot better than what his real name turns

659
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,920
out to be. So the body was actually brought to

660
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,800
a local funeral home and publicly displayed. They were hoping

661
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,559
to find somebody that would say, hey, I know who

662
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:37,880
this is.

663
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know who this is.

664
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,199
Speaker 3: And they went ahead and even put it in the

665
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,400
paper everything that they knew about the case, hoping somebody

666
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,760
would come forward. Well, several people came into the viewing

667
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,480
and said that it looked really familiar, but it was

668
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,760
under different names. Everybody knew him as somebody else, and

669
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,559
police were prepared to just bury him in a what

670
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,159
they call Potter's Field, which is where they very people that,

671
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,119
you know, they don't have any family, they don't know

672
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:06,599
who they are. They were going to list him as

673
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:09,039
a John Doe and that was just going to be

674
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,880
the end of it. Well, the funeral home got a

675
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,719
very strange phone call. The phone call asked if the

676
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,480
if the burial could be delayed until the money arrived

677
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:24,000
to cover a proper funeral, and the guy went on

678
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:29,119
to say that Roland was his real name, and that

679
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:38,360
he was engaged to his sister sister his sister, and

680
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,719
he wanted them buried in memorial cemetery where he could

681
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,760
be close to his sister.

682
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 6: So that was a nice gesture.

683
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:49,519
Speaker 3: It's still kind of odd that somebody is just going

684
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,239
to make this call as to who he is and

685
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,639
just offer the pay for the funeral and all that stuff.

686
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,480
So he he as he was on the he just

687
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,119
said that Roland got into a jam and the police

688
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,559
were on the wrong track. So it just makes the

689
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,760
phone call that much more odd. So the money actually

690
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,159
arrived anonymously. It was delivered by special delivery, and it

691
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,239
was in a rolled up newspaper cash in a rolled

692
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,000
up newspaper.

693
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 6: Wow, that's cract. That's different.

694
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,679
Speaker 3: So they laid the body to rest in Memorial Park,

695
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,199
a cemetery under the name Roland Owen, which the caller

696
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,719
insisted was real. What's even more mysterious or equally mysterious,

697
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,400
some one say it's even more His money showed up

698
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,000
at a florist to buy a bouquet of roses a

699
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,199
specific amount. It was like ten I can't remember the

700
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,159
ten or I think it was thirteen, certain amount of roses.

701
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,280
It was like his twelve or thirteen roses of a

702
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,280
certain type of roses. And they wanted it to put

703
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,599
over top of the the grave site. Yeah, the gravesite,

704
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,559
because it was going to be done at the cemetery.

705
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:55,119
Speaker 6: Oh, I got you.

706
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 3: But it came with a card that said love Forever Louise.

707
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 6: Oh now, well, it sounds to me like somebody's conscience.

708
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 3: Were somebody's But it just, you know, it just keeps

709
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,320
getting weirder and weirder. So now a year later, in

710
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,639
nineteen thirty six, a woman in Birmingham, Alabama, she's sitting

711
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:18,360
there and she's reading the account of what this murder

712
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,639
was in a magazine called American Weekly, and she starts

713
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,440
thinking and she says, man, the dead man listed here

714
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:29,679
might be my friend's missing son. So she goes over

715
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,360
to her and says, hey, I think we might have

716
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,480
found your son. And she starts looking into it. Well,

717
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,960
her son Artemis Ogle Tree.

718
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 6: What excuse me?

719
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: What Artemis Ogle Tree?

720
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,159
Speaker 7: Oh?

721
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: What was his name? And he had left home in

722
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,400
April of nineteen thirty four. Well, he said he wanted

723
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,119
to see the world and all that kind of stuff.

724
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,079
She kind of went up to the Kansas City and

725
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:59,239
she confirmed that Roland Owen was indeed her son, Artemis

726
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,920
Ogle Tree. Keep in mind, the man confirmed that he

727
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:07,360
was this guy. Yes, so there's already a big contradiction.

728
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,639
But this mystery is far from over. So in the

729
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:15,840
early two thousands, seventy years after all this happened, a

730
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,760
guy by the name of doctor John Horner who was

731
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,320
doing some research and stuff like that at the Kansas

732
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,079
City Public Library. He received an anonymous phone call. It

733
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,840
was from out of state, and it said that this

734
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,679
guy that made the phone call said that he was

735
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,920
doing he had a client. I guess that was elderly

736
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,599
that passed away. So he's going through some boxes and

737
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,880
stuff that belonged to him, and he found a bunch

738
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,159
of clippings, newspaper clippings about the story. Yes, but he

739
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,599
also said he found an object that was mentioned in

740
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:52,320
those newspaper clippings. And then when doctor Horner asked him

741
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,119
what kind of object was it, the guy hung up

742
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:01,840
and he never heard from him again. Was no. So yeah,

743
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:09,760
so let's start talking about I guess some things that

744
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,719
kind of tied this case together a little bit. For example,

745
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,679
gene Owen, which is no relation by any means. She

746
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,199
was giving room ten forty eight next door the same night, Yes, okay.

747
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,079
She said she was continually bothered by sounds of a

748
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:30,679
male and a female voice arguingly violently in the other arm,

749
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:33,360
so she could hear this argument back and forth. I

750
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,239
supposedly there was a party going on in like ten

751
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,760
fifty six or something like that. It was, and so

752
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,920
it was possible that that came from there, but she

753
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,480
was sure that it came from next door. She also

754
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,880
said that she heard gasping, which she assumed was just somebody,

755
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:51,079
you know, drunk or whatever the deal was. She actually

756
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,639
thought about calling the front desk, but didn't so.

757
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 6: She could actually make out the worst. They were Sam

758
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:56,719
and they were arguing.

759
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,039
Speaker 3: I don't know if she could make it out. She

760
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,719
could just tell that it was a male and a female. Boys. Now,

761
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,599
there also was a guy named Charlie Blocker. He was

762
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,079
the graveyard elevator shift guy, so he were operated at

763
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,239
the elevator at the nighttime. He said that there was

764
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,360
a woman that came in. He took her to the

765
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,360
tenth floor and she was looking for room ten twenty six,

766
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,800
which is close. It's ten twenty six what she was

767
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,039
looking for. Yeah, but ten forty six was rollins on,

768
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,079
so they think that maybe she was looking for his

769
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:31,079
room and she was confused. So she gets there and

770
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,400
she tells the guy, Hey, I'm at room ten twenty six.

771
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,719
I can't find the gentleman that I'm supposed to be

772
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,559
seeing now. According to the elevator operator, this was a

773
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,800
lady who frequented the hotel a lot into a different

774
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,360
lot of different men's rooms. If you know what I mean,

775
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,599
I know what you mean. He said that she called

776
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,280
back and said she couldn't find the man. Could he

777
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,519
come up to the tenth floor and pick her back up.

778
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:00,119
He does. He then takes her down to the lobby.

779
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,280
About fifteen minutes later, she finds she's got a guy.

780
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,480
They get back on the elevator, they go up to

781
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:10,920
the ninth floor and he lets him off, and then

782
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,760
eventually that lady left the hotel at like four o'clock

783
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,400
in the morning, and then the other guy left like

784
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,400
fifteen minutes later that she was with. So they don't

785
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,480
know if she has any connection at all, or if

786
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,199
the man or the woman had any connection at all

787
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,280
to the case, or if it was just random. But

788
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,760
it's odd that they were there that night and the

789
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,280
lady said she heard a man and a woman arguing

790
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,159
in that room, and then all this took place, So

791
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,960
nobody really knows if they had anything to do with

792
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,320
the case or not, but the elevator man seemed to

793
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,119
think they were very suspicious after knowing the facts. Now

794
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,519
at the funeral home, there were some strange occurrences too.

795
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,039
I told you there were people coming in and visiting

796
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:51,400
to try to figure out if they knew him or

797
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,639
not know him well. One of the guys that came

798
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:56,760
in said that he had just stayed at a different hotel,

799
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,639
a very high class hotel, the night before, under the

800
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,119
name of Eugene Scott and before that the Saint Regis Hotel,

801
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,960
So he was going in and out of all these

802
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,960
different hotels in Kansas City for whatever reason. So it

803
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:12,960
just doesn't make sense. And you add in all of

804
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,519
his constantly being in the dark, and there's strange phone

805
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:19,840
calls to the guy don and all that stuff. Who's done,

806
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,920
and you know, nobody really can find out how. You

807
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,039
had several bartenders in the area that said they had

808
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,880
seen him around town with two different women at the

809
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,400
same time.

810
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,639
Speaker 6: Sounds like it is a whoreor it does.

811
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: Sounding like that, But they also said he always had

812
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,639
a different name that they didn't know him by the

813
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,000
by the roland O one. They knew him by other names. Now,

814
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:44,320
nine days later, a wrestling promoter by the name of

815
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:50,239
Tony Bernardi visited and he said that roland had shown

816
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,440
up to him and tried to become a wrestler he

817
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,360
wanted to, which makes sense because if you he had

818
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,360
a cauliflower ear.

819
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,599
Speaker 6: I was gonna ask you about that.

820
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: A lot of like high school college am dresser, not professional.

821
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:04,079
A lot of them have colorflower ears just from the wrestling.

822
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,920
But he showed up, so he probably had a wrestling background,

823
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,960
so he showed up and wanted to be a wrestler.

824
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,679
But his name was Cecil Waring is what he told

825
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,199
him was his names.

826
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:13,639
Speaker 6: Don't even know how he could keep up with all

827
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:14,599
those names anyway.

828
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,679
Speaker 3: Apparently he couldn't. So the question is, was this maybe

829
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,559
a love triangle gone bad? I mean, was don and

830
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:25,480
this girl and him all, you know, part of something

831
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,519
the Fairy's going on? And then in the spring of

832
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:34,280
nineteen thirty five, after Roland died, three typed letters actually

833
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,199
arrived at his mom's house. And the first thing ought

834
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,719
about that is Roland didn't know how to type. But

835
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,079
these letters came, and the mom said that after she

836
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,280
got them. Like I said, obviously they came after he'd

837
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,480
passed away, which was odd, and the fact that he

838
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:49,480
didn't know how to type. She said the letters didn't

839
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,039
come across the base of the letters. It didn't have

840
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:56,199
that same vibe as from him. It's supposedly they were

841
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,840
from Roland, but she says she knows they weren't from her.

842
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,119
Oh who sent the letters? Because she said she could

843
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:04,480
tell by the writing that it wasn't the way he

844
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:05,119
would have talked.

845
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 6: What's in the letter?

846
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,559
Speaker 3: Someone you know, a couple of different things. She actually

847
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:15,440
received a strange phone call from somebody named Jordan, and

848
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:19,679
Jordan said that he was living in Egypt and he

849
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,039
had met a real wealthy girl in Cairo and that's

850
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,280
where he had married her. But we both know that

851
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,039
wasn't the case, because she already knew that her son

852
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,400
was dead. So I don't know why this guy would

853
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,199
bought it a call and tell her all this stuff.

854
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,360
And the Jordan guy said that said that he had

855
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,599
actually saved his life, that her son had saved his

856
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,440
life in Egypt, but he had never been to Egypt.

857
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,480
And in the letters they all stated something similar. They

858
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:47,639
were all these different things about how he was living

859
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,920
abroad and all this stuff. But she had already confirmed

860
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,039
by the pictures and everything that her son was, in

861
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:58,360
fact Roland Owen that was dead up there. Well, this

862
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:03,119
is bizarre, and that is pretty much all we have

863
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,320
on the case, except for one little last detail that

864
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,159
I thought was very interesting. Her son Roland who passed away.

865
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,079
What her son was Artemis? He was seventeen years old,

866
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:23,199
what seventeen seventeen, So all this that happened as seventeen year.

867
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 6: Old boy, Well, wow, so.

868
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: I thought that was a really cool story.

869
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,679
Speaker 6: So it's very cool.

870
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,639
Speaker 3: That's about as bizarre as it gets. Like I said,

871
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:34,760
I know either neither one of these stories we did

872
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,039
were paranormal. Yeah, but I thought they both had facets

873
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,000
of what the hell? So to this day, nobody knows

874
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,920
who donn is. You know, was that the guy with

875
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,000
the gruff voice? Yes, nobody, Well, I mean it's the

876
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:51,360
same same murder. Well, I mean what I'm just saying,

877
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,559
But nobody knows who Donna is? Yeah, nobody? You know?

878
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,119
Was that the guy that was up there with the

879
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,559
lady of the evening that was looking for the room?

880
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,480
Was that on? Nobody knows because the maid, as many

881
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,920
times as the maid stuck her nose in there, she

882
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,239
never saw don But you know, and then you've got

883
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,559
to deal with the lady said, hey, there was a

884
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,440
man and woman up there arguing at night, So who

885
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,239
was the woman? You know? And then you got the

886
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,119
caller who calls the funeral home and says that Roland

887
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,280
was an ex fiancee to his sister and he wants

888
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,320
him in the cemetery so he would be close to

889
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,599
his sister. So does that mean his sister was dead.

890
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,639
Was his sister Louise? Was that why it said, you

891
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:33,760
know forever Louise.

892
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I feel like Don has a

893
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,280
very guilty conscience, you.

894
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: Know, ordered Roland do something to Louise and that's why

895
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,079
she's dead, and that this was Don's way of getting even.

896
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:48,320
But that doesn't sound right because he seemed to be

897
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,159
friendly with Don.

898
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know how a seventeen year old has

899
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,840
all this experience.

900
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 3: And then at the other hotel.

901
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 6: Never in a million years wouldn't known even being seventeen.

902
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,599
Speaker 3: The other hotels that he stayed in, they were saying

903
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,920
that he had spent stayed there with another man. So

904
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,199
I mean, was there something of that going on, which

905
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,639
in the thirties wouldn't have been the most acceptable thing

906
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,360
in the world, you know, So who knows? This thing

907
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,280
has so many loose ends and nothing has ever been

908
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:15,760
tied up.

909
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,079
Speaker 6: I mean, it sounds like he enjoyed hisself.

910
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 3: He probably didn't enjoy that last day.

911
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,599
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure he didn't enjoy that.

912
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: I wondering where the guy's money came from to be

913
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,800
able to stay at all these expensive hotels, and because there

914
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,519
was even the bellboy, the original Bellboy said that he

915
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:35,480
was going to stay in the hotel that I'd mentioned before.

916
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,119
I can't remember the name of it right off the bat,

917
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,679
but he was going to stay there, but it was

918
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,599
like five dollars a night and it was too expensive.

919
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:48,440
But the thing of it is he actually did stay

920
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,639
there because that they had already got proof that he

921
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:51,719
had stayed there the night before.

922
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 6: I don't know that I messed up stories, I know.

923
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thought that was a pretty cool story,

924
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,400
and I'm glad we did it. It was one of

925
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,559
the more fascinating stories that I've looked into. So but

926
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,280
I wish they would eventually find out what went on,

927
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,159
just so there could be closure. But I mean, everybody

928
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,280
involved with it is since pasted. I mean, how that

929
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,719
was nineteen thirty five, so yeah, it's been a long

930
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,880
time ago. Yeah, But anyways, that's what we got for

931
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,719
you as far as that stories. Now, I want to

932
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,840
do play this interview for you with Lee, And like

933
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,719
I said, it's a little bit of an interview just

934
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,760
about the show. But it's really fun because Lee tells

935
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,880
us a couple of paranormal stories. So your paranormal stories

936
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,679
are coming, They're just not coming from me and let

937
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:38,559
me know what you think about this one when we

938
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,079
get through, and we'll be run back. All right, guys,

939
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:44,960
we have our first repeat guests on the show. Well

940
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,760
I say that, but that's not really true because Andrew

941
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,119
Whitney was on, but she doesn't host a podcast, So

942
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:52,599
this is our first repeat podcaster that's on the show.

943
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:56,079
We're going to welcome Lee from Don't Break the Ealth

944
00:48:56,199 --> 00:49:00,320
Podcast Are good buddies from over in Grimsby, England. Lee,

945
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,039
How are you doing today?

946
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 5: Brother? Yeah, I'm really good. I just uh, we shouldn't

947
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,079
have left that grooms.

948
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,519
Speaker 3: Be bit out. Well, nobody ever did know, so I'm

949
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,880
I'm sure if grif Grin's be like a bad part

950
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,920
of England or something, or does it have a bad reputation.

951
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 5: It's just a ship so well, most.

952
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,159
Speaker 3: People listening probably feel like where they live as a

953
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,239
ship hole, so it's probably probably not.

954
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:24,639
Speaker 5: We'rell in the same boat. You may make me feel

955
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:25,239
better now.

956
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 3: Right, Well, and you have a co host on the show, Andy,

957
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,039
which is under the weather and couldn't be with us tonight,

958
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,320
so he's lost your gain. I guess you get to

959
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,400
talk and hog the whole mic.

960
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:42,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'm grateful for the opportunity so much.

961
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:47,079
Speaker 3: To your credit, you guys have been doing this for

962
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,960
close to two years now, right April.

963
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:54,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, I guess. I guess probably in different guyses though.

964
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:57,760
I mean, obviously I started the show with Steve, and

965
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,800
I think Andy sort of came into it April time

966
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,760
last year, so I think I've been doing it nearly

967
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,440
a couple of years with Andy and then a little

968
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,840
bit with Steve before that.

969
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, now, you guys, if you was to describe

970
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,119
your show, I mean, you talk a little bit about

971
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:17,800
everything from UFOs to paranormal to cryptids, you name it.

972
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,559
It's it's a little bit of everything. You've even had

973
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,320
some episodes on like flat Earth and that type of stuff.

974
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,519
So if you was to describe your show to someone

975
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:29,280
that hasn't heard it, how would you best describe it? Mmmm?

976
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, it is a mixed bag in it. I mean,

977
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:42,400
it's predominantly paranormal, it's predominantly dog man, it's predominantly dog man. Well,

978
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,079
it's predominantly paranormal, but everything ends up being a dog man.

979
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:49,480
And luckily we won't need to go into dog man

980
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:50,679
today because Andy is not here.

981
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 5: But now generally it is paranormal.

982
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 7: Like you've like you say, Recover UFOs and cripterosology kind

983
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,400
of stuff as well mysteries.

984
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,119
Speaker 5: We have some.

985
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 7: Guests on that you know, might bring up something that

986
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:09,960
people might not be aware of, including ourselves, which is

987
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,199
always fun. But now generally it is the paranormal, and

988
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,800
it's probably like you know, fifteen other podcasts that people

989
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,320
may have listened to on the paranormal, but we sort

990
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,639
of give it a different slant based on our paranormal experiences.

991
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:30,079
So we put you know, if we think something is

992
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,119
this way because of something we've experienced, then we'll put that.

993
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:36,199
You know, we'll give our opinion as towards that. I'm

994
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,519
not saying we're one hundred percent right. Well, and it is,

995
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,000
but you know, we're just giving our opinion basically, So

996
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,559
you don't just get the story. You get opinions as well,

997
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,079
and you know, some you'll like, some you won't. But

998
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:51,840
that's that's life.

999
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: But you know, the reality of it is, and I

1000
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,880
think I touched on this on one of our previous episodes,

1001
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,679
is we're all really just given our opinion. I mean,

1002
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,280
let's be honest. The paranormal there's well, most of us

1003
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,719
believe it's still not proven. So I mean for me

1004
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,519
to say, oh, Susie came in and this ghost came

1005
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:14,119
out and this and that, that's really still just an

1006
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:17,400
opinion because there's no proof that that ever really happened.

1007
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:20,719
We're taking somebody's word for it, so we can't treat

1008
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,400
it completely as fact. Ever, I don't think.

1009
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 5: No, I suppose what should wait? Then?

1010
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 7: Maybe better way to phrase it than is because we've

1011
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,400
had paranormal experience ourselves. We don't necessarily necessarily but you know,

1012
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,119
go down the skeptical route on a lot of this stuff.

1013
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,239
We sort of take it has read that these occurrences happened,

1014
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,159
has stated obviously, you know, we've had this issue before.

1015
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,920
People have got in touch for us. But if we're

1016
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,840
doing a UFO story, we're doing this UFO story. Okay,

1017
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,840
so we're not. We're not there to talk about this

1018
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,880
UFO story. Then start telling you that it could have

1019
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,199
been you know, the Northern Star could have been Venus,

1020
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,440
it could have been this, it could have been swamp gus.

1021
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:06,880
You know, we try and we try and assume people

1022
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,559
think that anyway, so we leave that out. So we

1023
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:14,119
give our opinions based on, you know, the paranormal side

1024
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:16,320
of the story, if you like.

1025
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,159
Speaker 5: If that makes.

1026
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: Sense, absolutely, so let's do Let's talk about this real

1027
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,960
quick because it kind of goes without saying. But you

1028
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:28,039
guys have been on the show before. A lot of

1029
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:32,320
our listeners already listened to you. But we did get

1030
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,920
some feedback. You've gotten some feedback that some people felt

1031
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,719
like the sound quality wasn't totally up to par I

1032
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,119
know you and I have talked about that, and you've

1033
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:45,880
taken some steps and now you've upgraded all your equipment.

1034
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,639
You've got two or three episodes out on the new equipment,

1035
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:52,760
and I think it sounds great. That's a similar setup

1036
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,920
to what Tracy and I use. And I would just

1037
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,400
encourage anybody out there if you listen to the show

1038
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,920
in the past, and that was the deterrent the why

1039
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,480
you didn't listen, because let's be honest, your content is great.

1040
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,920
I love the content of the show. It's very enjoyable.

1041
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:12,760
But I could definitely understand, you know, if it sounded

1042
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,559
a little bit of a muffled while some people would

1043
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,159
be turned off by that. So uh ever, you know,

1044
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:20,159
to me, that's not that big of a deal, but

1045
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,559
to some people it's a huge deal, depending on how

1046
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:25,239
they listen to the show. But you know, that's one

1047
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,920
hundred percent corrected, and the show sounds absolutely great these days.

1048
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,159
So I wanted to point that out to anybody who

1049
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:34,119
had listened that didn't realize that already.

1050
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, thank you, thank you very much for that.

1051
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, we did take you know, your advice

1052
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:45,039
and and you know and others, and we did take

1053
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:48,880
steps to put that right. And I think obviously some

1054
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,559
of the shows that are still on the feed, you know,

1055
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,000
the early ones, I've removed a lot of them because

1056
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:57,119
of storage reasons, but a lot of the earlier ones

1057
00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:00,320
do have the crap the ship sound quality, shall we

1058
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,519
say so? Yeah, but like you say, we've maybe done

1059
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,360
three or four episodes with the you do, so at least,

1060
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,960
you know, if you listen from sort of three episodes back,

1061
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,599
so I think ups to seventy six or something of that.

1062
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:14,480
So if you listen from sort of seventy onwards, you're

1063
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,400
probably getting.

1064
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,199
Speaker 5: The good ship. I'm not saying.

1065
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,639
Speaker 7: I'm not saying what you're gonna listen to. What I'm

1066
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:24,480
saying is the sound quality is good.

1067
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 3: Well, you know, like I said, the content has always

1068
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,400
been good. That's never never been an issue. And you've

1069
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:33,960
you're starting as the show goes on, you're getting better

1070
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,760
and better guests on also just like we have. Uh

1071
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,679
so you've got some some well established authors and on

1072
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,760
everything from UFOs or cryptids, and some really good interviews.

1073
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,880
So if you like that sort of thing, you can

1074
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,519
definitely get that on your show. Plus, I think you

1075
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:53,360
and Andy your your banter back and forth, and I

1076
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,320
won't say arguing, but sometimes it turns into definitely a

1077
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,519
difference of opinion. I think I think it really comes

1078
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:03,639
crazy argument. Well I'm trying to be polite, but I

1079
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:06,079
think it did. I think that's part of the charm

1080
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:07,599
of the show. I mean, that's the parts that I

1081
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:09,199
like because you don't always agree.

1082
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, that's that's what we think, because we think

1083
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,559
sometimes we come off the mics and we think, I

1084
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:17,039
wonder if people were saying home, you know, maybe two

1085
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:19,239
people you know, And I guess it doesn't happen very

1086
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,679
often where two people might be listening to the same podcast,

1087
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,719
But we imagine a situation where maybe two or three

1088
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,719
people are listening to a podcast and they have a

1089
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,239
different opinions because with his paranormal stuff, you know yourself,

1090
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:34,119
me and you have got different opinions on certain things

1091
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:36,760
as well. So it's not because you know, it's not

1092
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,559
like everyone's sort of we all believe the paranormalst we

1093
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:41,920
all believe this, you know what I mean. It's you know,

1094
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,639
like Mayor maids. You know, I think that's just absolute bullshit,

1095
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,400
Whereas Andy believes on hundred percent that Mayor made Is

1096
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,400
are real. So you know, obviously we've got a difference

1097
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,760
of opinion there, and you know, so that obviously is

1098
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,800
going to lead to some.

1099
00:56:56,679 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 5: Sort of well argument it.

1100
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 7: But we imagine that people at home would have similar

1101
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:07,719
different views potentially, So let me make sure.

1102
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,039
Speaker 5: You know, we sort of argue.

1103
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 7: I hope that people are following along the show arguing

1104
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,880
as well with a bit of Look.

1105
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:16,239
Speaker 3: So Andy actually believes there are mermaids.

1106
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 7: Yep, he's one hundred percent crackers. Well, he said he's

1107
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,760
on the fence, That's what he said. He's on the

1108
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,840
fence about mermaids.

1109
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: Okay, So when we talked earlier in the week, you

1110
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,480
said you were going to work up a story or

1111
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,280
two for us. So what I'm going to do since

1112
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,320
we've talked about your show a little bit and what

1113
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,840
you guys do, I'm gonna let you treat our listeners

1114
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,159
into a story that you got for So I'm just

1115
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:49,400
going to turn the microphone over to.

1116
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:50,559
Speaker 5: You, Lei. Okay.

1117
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, obviously we spoke earlier in the week, and

1118
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,960
what I decided to do is we we just recall

1119
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,239
in an episode which is going to be entitled The

1120
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,480
Coast That Kill because again this crops up every now

1121
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:08,760
and again, we'll be talking about a ghost story, you know,

1122
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,760
that a ghost that's got ill intent whatever, And me personally,

1123
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:16,800
I don't believe that ghost can kill. Okay, I don't

1124
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,719
believe such a thing as a bad ghost even you

1125
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:23,079
know this, I don't you know, I'm a stay away

1126
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:27,360
from the word demon. Okay, But Andy, he believes that

1127
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,960
there is the such thing as demons. You won't do

1128
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,920
a weedi board, for example, that kind of stuff. So

1129
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:33,079
obviously we've got different opinions there. So we decided that

1130
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,239
we do a show about stories where a ghost has

1131
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,559
allegedly killed somebody or had.

1132
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,719
Speaker 5: Some part in the you know, the victim's death. Okay.

1133
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,039
So what I decided to do is, because we've done

1134
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:46,480
a show on it.

1135
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:49,119
Speaker 7: I decided that, you know, i'd come on you with

1136
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,119
you and maybe touch on a couple of these stories

1137
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:52,920
and get your opinion on them then that.

1138
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 5: So shall I start with the first one?

1139
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: Sure?

1140
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 5: Okay? Well this one is the.

1141
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,599
Speaker 7: This is the Curse of the Grave of cal Prewitz. Okay,

1142
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,440
And this is in your neck of the woods. This

1143
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:12,360
is in Kentucky, but it's actually in is.

1144
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 5: It Poluska County? Pulaski, Pulaskis? I say it.

1145
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 7: See that's why you're here. So yeah, Pulaski County. This

1146
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:24,119
takes place in back in nineteen thirty eight. Now there

1147
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:25,599
is a bit of conjecture a bar, but I'll get

1148
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:26,239
to that later on.

1149
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 5: Okay.

1150
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 7: So essentially what we've got we've got a guy here

1151
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,039
called cow Prewitt who was a carpenter, Okay, And he

1152
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:38,079
goes out, usual thing gets finished early, Okay. So he

1153
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:41,159
comes home, walks in the house, expecting to see his

1154
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:42,039
missus in the kitchen.

1155
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,159
Speaker 5: She's not there.

1156
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 7: He goes into the bedroom and lo and behold, there

1157
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,960
she is having it away a bit of the holding

1158
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:49,800
out with somebody else.

1159
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 5: Okay, So there's another man in the bed Obviously.

1160
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:57,159
Speaker 7: He's a bit pissed off at this, so he grabs

1161
00:59:57,159 --> 01:00:00,000
a chain because obviously you'll know you so if you're

1162
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,199
probably got a chain in your bedroom for whatever reason,

1163
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,000
he had a chain.

1164
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 5: Well, don't answer that. Don't answer that.

1165
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 7: But he grabs a chain, he strangles his wife while

1166
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,719
this other fella he jumps out the window and off

1167
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:15,559
he scarpers.

1168
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,519
Speaker 5: He strangles his missus.

1169
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 7: You know, she obviously dies at that point, he's you know,

1170
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,719
he's grief stricken and he realizes what he's done and

1171
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,679
he pulls out his revolver and blows his brains out.

1172
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,679
Speaker 5: Okay, so they both die at this point. Now, a

1173
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:36,000
couple of days later or whatever, they go to bury

1174
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:38,440
these two in this cemetery.

1175
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 7: Now, the wife's family really didn't want this guy to

1176
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,039
be Obviously, these husband and wife, so there's going to

1177
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:46,159
be buried together, and that the family didn't want this guy,

1178
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,599
you know, just killed her, to be anywhere near him,

1179
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:51,920
so they decided that they put him in a different

1180
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,679
graveyard across town. So that's the first thing that happens. Now,

1181
01:00:57,719 --> 01:00:59,960
the story got around about this guy and what he does,

1182
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:04,280
and urban legends sprung up that you know, his grave

1183
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,360
was haunted and all the rest of it. So it

1184
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,519
starts really like say in nineteen thirty eight, when these

1185
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:13,039
three lads decide to go and investigate the grave. Okay,

1186
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:16,400
so just three you know, teenagers messing about, and one

1187
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,519
of the lads called James Collins decided to show his

1188
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:22,679
mates that he wasn't scared of this curse and didn't

1189
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,119
believe in it. So he picks up a rock and

1190
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:27,880
froze it at the gravestone, chipping a piece of the

1191
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,960
gravestone off. Okay, Now, the reason there was there is

1192
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,400
because the legend had got around and apparently this was

1193
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,440
true that over the course of a few days that

1194
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:39,960
the gravestone had been sitting in the grave, it had

1195
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,800
actually formed these brown circles started to form, these brown

1196
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,199
circles on it, and they'd linked together to resemble a

1197
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,719
chain actually on the gravestone itself. So that's why people

1198
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:50,440
were curious to go out there and have a look.

1199
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,800
So this little lad, James Collins, he chips a bit

1200
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,719
of this gravestone off. He says, say, I'm not afraid

1201
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,920
of any ghost did do it? So he jumps on

1202
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,840
his bicycle and he's bike. You know, he's biking home

1203
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,920
when all of a sudden, his chain, his bicycle chain

1204
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:10,159
breaks free and manages to wrap around his throat and

1205
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:11,000
strangle him.

1206
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 5: Okay, so he dies. So let me get James's mother. Okay.

1207
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,559
She she goes to bury her son.

1208
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:22,079
Speaker 7: She hears about how this apparently came about the let

1209
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:23,400
you know, the k this was part to do with

1210
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,039
the case that the lads tell her. So she's obviously

1211
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:28,519
grief stricken at the time. She decides she's going to

1212
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:30,880
go and destroy this grave in her anger. Okay, so

1213
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,400
she grabs an axe, shoots off to the grave and

1214
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,000
smashes it into apparently into into very small pieces.

1215
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:39,679
Speaker 5: She goes home.

1216
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 7: She feels much better. She has a you know, she

1217
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,119
has a dreaming all the rest. But anyway, next day

1218
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:45,639
is just no he days. So she's going to do

1219
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:51,360
the laundry. Okay, So she goes out. She starts picking

1220
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,719
up the laundry on the line when the line breaks

1221
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,360
or she trips into it, it's not clear what she

1222
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,840
trips into the line, let's say, and the line breaks

1223
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,280
and coils rather the neck, and obviously then she's got

1224
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,519
it's tethered at one end.

1225
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:06,119
Speaker 5: The weight of the washing on the other end.

1226
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 7: The more she struggles, the tighter it gets, and obviously

1227
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,960
she dies.

1228
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,719
Speaker 5: Okay, so another victim of the grave.

1229
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,239
Speaker 7: Now it's alleged that when the people came to investigate,

1230
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:23,280
the police or whatever came to look at this situation,

1231
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,440
they found the axe that she the very same acts

1232
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,480
that she'd used to break that grave. Okay, it still

1233
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:33,159
had the granite or whatever the dust stall over this axe,

1234
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,159
and everyone knew that she'd gone and done this because

1235
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:37,239
she told people she was going to do this. So

1236
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,159
that these two police officers have to go and investigate

1237
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:42,159
the grave, because you're not actually allowed to go and

1238
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:45,840
smash graves or even if the ghost killed one of

1239
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:46,519
your relatives.

1240
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:49,639
Speaker 3: Okay, is that just an English thing or because I

1241
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:50,559
think we do that here?

1242
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:56,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's probably yeah, it's probably different in America. But yeah,

1243
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,280
So the police officers go to investigate the grave. Now,

1244
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,079
one of the police officers didn't believe this, you know,

1245
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:07,280
he thought it was blown either, you know, the case

1246
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,599
is no such thing. Whereas the other officer, he was

1247
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,400
a bit more, a bit more of a believer, shall

1248
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,840
we say, So he didn't want anything to do with it, really,

1249
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,719
and when they get there, the gravestill intact. It's perfectly intact.

1250
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,400
There's not a chip in it, there's not anything, but

1251
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:24,760
the chain marks are still there. But apart from that,

1252
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,840
the grave itself is intact, which you should be impossible,

1253
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,360
but obviously we're talking about a case grave. So anyway,

1254
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:35,559
they take photos and all the rest of it. At

1255
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:37,159
the gravestone, you know, he sits on it and he

1256
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,960
you know, yeah, I don't care, I'll sit on the

1257
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,320
grave all that kind of stuff. So anyway, they leave

1258
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,400
the grave the cemetery and they're driving back when they

1259
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:51,280
notice a bright light in the rear view mirror. Now,

1260
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:53,760
at first I think it's just another car or some

1261
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,199
sort of glare reflection of something, but it's coming from

1262
01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:01,840
the cemetery, you know, way on. So the driver gets

1263
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,880
a bit spooked by this because now he's a bit

1264
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:06,159
you know, maybe the case was real kind of thing.

1265
01:05:06,199 --> 01:05:08,519
So he starts speeding up, but obviously the passengers turning

1266
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:10,519
him to slow down to stop, but he's not going

1267
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,679
to do it with this dislights following him. It's getting

1268
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:16,880
closer and closer. So he drivers comes driving more erratic,

1269
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,119
more speed, and eventually he leaves the road and plows

1270
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:26,360
into a fence. The passenger, the guy who believed, you know,

1271
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:29,679
the case was most likely true. He flies through the

1272
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:33,239
windscreen lands in the field. After a short while, he

1273
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:37,320
manages to gather himself, get his cell together, and he's

1274
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,280
mostly unharmed.

1275
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 5: He's just got cut some bruises.

1276
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:42,719
Speaker 7: But he walks back to the car to see if

1277
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:45,719
his friend's okay, and obviously, on looking in the car,

1278
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:48,880
he realized that his friend is almost decapitated because he's

1279
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,519
managed to These two friends posted that the question to

1280
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:55,199
had a chain across them. That chain again, and that

1281
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,159
managed to almost decapitate his friend.

1282
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,519
Speaker 5: Okay, so.

1283
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 7: You know, weirds really getting around now, and most people

1284
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,440
are staying away from this grave at this point, but

1285
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:12,960
every now and again you get somebody a bit of

1286
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,960
a rido, you know. And this turns out to be

1287
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,480
this farmer. Now, this farmer and his family were riding past.

1288
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,719
There was on a horse and buggy riding past the grave,

1289
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,960
and he says that, you know, I'm not afraid of

1290
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,880
this case and all that, who draws his revolver and

1291
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,400
fires a few shots into the grave, obviously damage it

1292
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:36,039
in the process. Well firing a revolver of any or

1293
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,880
any gun. To be frank while sitting on a horse

1294
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,320
drawn carriage is not the most sensible thing to do,

1295
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:44,000
because the horses get spooked, okay.

1296
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,119
Speaker 5: And they take off running.

1297
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 7: Yeah you know, you know easily horses are spook, so

1298
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,239
off the go. Now it's Some accounts say the family

1299
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,679
jumped off in the panic. Some accounts say that the

1300
01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:00,519
horse and buggy crashed and that the family managed to

1301
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:05,199
come off unharmed. Okay, But the farmer himself, he was

1302
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:07,800
flung over the top of the horses, tangled up in

1303
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,760
their reins, and as the horses run away or bolted,

1304
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,079
he was strangled to death.

1305
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,239
Speaker 5: So another victim of the grave.

1306
01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:24,159
Speaker 7: Let me come on to the final victim of the grave,

1307
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,880
and this is a guy called Arfa Lewis. Now, apparently

1308
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,920
this guy he heard about the case and all the

1309
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:31,800
rest of it, and he was another one.

1310
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:32,599
Speaker 5: He didn't believe it.

1311
01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:35,079
Speaker 7: I don't know why people just don't believe it and

1312
01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:38,599
just stay away from it, you know. But for whatever reason,

1313
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:41,440
these people who don't believe it need to prove that

1314
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,960
they don't believe it. So Arthur Lewis, he has a

1315
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,360
few drinks I'm sure. And this night he decides he's

1316
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,199
going to go and destroy the grave. Okay, so he

1317
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,760
goes set with his hammer in his chisel, and he

1318
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,800
goes to the grave and he starts whacking it the grave,

1319
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:00,239
I mean, so he starts banging away with the grave,

1320
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,159
and the people in the vicinity could could hear the

1321
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:06,679
noises of the hammer and chisel striking the you know,

1322
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,639
the granite or whatever the gravestone was made of. And

1323
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,880
they say that the whacking of the ammur was replaced

1324
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:18,640
shortly thereafter by screams, and then the screams.

1325
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:19,279
Speaker 5: All of a sudden stopped.

1326
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,319
Speaker 7: So a couple of the local villagers, if you calling,

1327
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,159
you know, grab the torches and the pitchforse and they

1328
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:28,000
shoot out there to see what's going on. And they

1329
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:31,119
find him laid by the gates of the cemetery. Now

1330
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:33,960
that the gates were slightly ajar, but there was chap

1331
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,199
there a chain round them, okay, but he managed to

1332
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:40,079
just prize up open enough to get through anyway. It

1333
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,199
on the way out from whatever scared him or whatever

1334
01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:47,399
he was running from, he managed to run into this chain.

1335
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:51,359
And obviously they're not sure whether that that was what

1336
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,439
killed him, or whether he had an art attack because

1337
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,359
of the shock, we don't know, but we just know

1338
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,159
that he was found at the gates of the cemetery

1339
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:02,319
with with you know, with chain marks around his throat

1340
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:06,319
from running into him and dead. So another victim of

1341
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:12,720
the grave. Okay, So at this point, apparently it's said

1342
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,800
that the people who this is not a very big grave. Okay,

1343
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,880
at the time, I don't think there's many people really

1344
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,399
living in this particular area, but the graveyard had obviously

1345
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,359
a few bodies in it, and people started exhuming the

1346
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:25,560
bodies of their relatives and moving them out of this

1347
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,760
graveyard because they didn't want to be in the same

1348
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,439
graveyard as what was going on. And eventually the early

1349
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,079
grave left in there was cow Pruitz. Now it's said

1350
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:39,960
that the local I don't knowed to call it a

1351
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,800
counsel in America, but you know, the local governors or whatever,

1352
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,119
they decided to remove the gravestone once them for all

1353
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,960
and put an end to this. So they removed it,

1354
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,720
and it said that a mining operation a couple of

1355
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,000
years later came through there and tore up the ground,

1356
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,359
and you know, so that it's lost. Now it's lost

1357
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:02,119
to history. So that put the end, that put the

1358
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:05,399
end there to the curse. So what do you make

1359
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:05,600
of that?

1360
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if I believe any of that. Now

1361
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:12,520
I'm just playing with you. I mean, I'm really big

1362
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,600
when it comes in all these whether you want to

1363
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,159
call them coincidences or I mean, I don't know, like you,

1364
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:23,000
if I believe someone can a ghost can kill you

1365
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:25,880
from beyond the grave. But I also don't think that

1366
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,840
everything is a ghost. I think there are demons. I

1367
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:33,920
think that there are evil presences. So do I think

1368
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,680
that something could definitely lead a hand into something like that?

1369
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:40,000
I absolutely do, because if you go into the whole

1370
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:44,119
Bell Witch story, that supposedly is what happened when when

1371
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:49,560
she killed John Bell was all from supposedly done beyond

1372
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,640
the grave. So I do believe it can happen. But

1373
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:58,399
I don't think typically ghosts in general are all nice.

1374
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,439
I think some of them are evil, So don't I

1375
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,560
don't doubt that that can happen. I don't know that

1376
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,560
that's what happened there, but I don't doubt that that

1377
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:06,199
could happen.

1378
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,119
Speaker 7: Yeah, the bill which she poisoned him, didn't she yep

1379
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,359
allegedly well.

1380
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,159
Speaker 5: I'm not sure whether to believe it's.

1381
01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 7: Like you say, there's a lot of coincidences here, and

1382
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,439
a lot of a few people have done a little

1383
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,039
bit of digging on there is to try and see

1384
01:11:22,039 --> 01:11:24,399
if it was actually a real story. Now it's meant

1385
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,000
to have taken place in nineteen thirty eight, but apparently

1386
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,279
looking at the records and that there's no mention of

1387
01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:34,560
a guy dying by the name calpr in nineteen thirty eight,

1388
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,119
But the closest they could find was in nineteen ten

1389
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:38,800
there was a guy called enos.

1390
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,279
Speaker 5: C spelt different.

1391
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,399
Speaker 7: The original guy's name apparently was spelt pr u i

1392
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:49,520
double t. This guy's name was spelt pr e w

1393
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,880
i double t, so it's a different spelling. But you know,

1394
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:56,960
Enos is it c prewit, so he could have gone

1395
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,199
by cal prewit, okay. And this guy was forty four

1396
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,239
when he died, and he died by a self inflicted

1397
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:06,079
gunshot wound to the head, So you know, it sort

1398
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:10,479
of resembles the story in a little way. And the

1399
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,880
only other dead fact sort of can be associated with

1400
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,479
this in that timeframe was a guy by the name

1401
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,039
of Whitley who died on July sixth, nineteen fourteen, so

1402
01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:21,760
for four years after this guy died and he was

1403
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,399
the farm and that crashed his buggy and died. So

1404
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:31,359
historically it doesn't tie up to the dates given in

1405
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:35,359
this particular account, but we do have people with very

1406
01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:39,479
similar names dying obviously a few years area. But again

1407
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:44,119
that's how urban legends spreading it, So there could have

1408
01:12:44,119 --> 01:12:47,279
been some truth to this story, you know, in some

1409
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,119
shape or form.

1410
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:54,079
Speaker 3: So you know, it's funny because that's a story that's

1411
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,840
I've been to Pulaski County. It's actually not that far

1412
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,119
from my house. It's literally an hour and fifteen twenty

1413
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:04,039
minutes from where I live. I've never heard that story before,

1414
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:06,520
and you're four thousand miles away and you knew the story.

1415
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,399
So that's what's cool about all these stories, as far

1416
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,720
as you know, how you find out about them and

1417
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,640
who doesn't know about them. So that's that's kind of

1418
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,159
an amazing deal when you think about it.

1419
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, well, you know, just on that point, really,

1420
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:22,159
I mean, I aired this is going to sound crazy,

1421
01:13:22,199 --> 01:13:24,199
but a few you know, a few years back, maybe

1422
01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:26,720
maybe five, six, seven years something like that, a guy

1423
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,039
told me that he'd seen this creature. Now, we've got

1424
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:32,359
a little woods in the back of Groomsby. It's called

1425
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:35,439
Willsby Woods. And this guy reckons that when he was

1426
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,600
a kid, maybe he was like a you know, thirteen

1427
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,800
year old something like that, and he was having a

1428
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:43,760
crafty cigarette at the back of the woods with his

1429
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,880
mates and they said, there, we stood there and there

1430
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,720
was all being quiet because I didn't want anybody to

1431
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,039
know that was there. Okay, so this is during school time.

1432
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:52,800
This is like dinner time, and just come out of

1433
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,600
school to have a crafty fag. Anyway, they're all there

1434
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:59,199
being quite smoking this cigarette when they air this stomping

1435
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:02,159
coming towards them, and obviously, when you're a kid and

1436
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,520
you're smoking a cigarette, you think it's a teacher. So

1437
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,840
they all hunker down and they're listening for these footsteps

1438
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,279
and they get closer and closer and closer as to

1439
01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:12,319
eventually they see that it was a corn field at

1440
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:13,840
the back of the woods there, and they see the

1441
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,800
corn starting to part, so someone's coming.

1442
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 5: Through the corn. So they all, you know, they're all.

1443
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,520
Speaker 7: Fixed on this corner, the foot steps getting close and closer,

1444
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,439
and he says that what came out of that corn

1445
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,479
was a four and a half to five foot tall figure.

1446
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,359
Speaker 5: Okay, ad The.

1447
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:33,159
Speaker 7: The lower half was like that of a a deer

1448
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,640
or a goat, the you know, the animal legs with

1449
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:41,079
the hooves. The torso was human, the arms were human,

1450
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,279
and the head was that of a well, he described

1451
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:49,680
it looking like a rabbit slash goat slash deer.

1452
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,239
Speaker 5: It was that sort of shaped face.

1453
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 7: Okay, I'd glowing eyes and it had horns, big, big,

1454
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,880
huge horns. Came out of the cornfield saw them, They

1455
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:02,479
saw it, and it just turned around and bolted back

1456
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,000
into the corner and the beard. It go quite a

1457
01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:07,720
ways before they couldn't hear it anymore. Now, he told

1458
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,640
me this story, and I thought it was full of shit.

1459
01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:17,319
I'm gonna be honest. I thought, doesn't sound very convincing anyway.

1460
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 5: You know.

1461
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,359
Speaker 7: A couple of years after that, you know, so this

1462
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:21,800
had gone out in my memory and all the rest

1463
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,039
of it. And he was sat in a cafe with

1464
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,439
another friend, and he was talking to his friend about

1465
01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:30,720
this particular incident when this woman turned around from another

1466
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,760
seat in the cafe. She heard them talking about it,

1467
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,039
and she said, did you see that near of Willsby Woods?

1468
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 5: And he said, yeah, that was he Wills.

1469
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 7: He was when we saw it, and she said, I

1470
01:15:38,079 --> 01:15:41,079
saw exactly the same figure when I was, like, you know,

1471
01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:44,560
a little girl in the same place. She saw it

1472
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,520
maybe maybe five or six years before he saw it again.

1473
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,760
You know, we've got two stories now from two independent witnesses,

1474
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,760
if you like, talking about the same creature in the

1475
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,640
same vicinity. Okay, so then we you know, I started

1476
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,920
talking about this to people, and Andy mentions that. He says,

1477
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,600
its funny you mentioned that because when he was growing

1478
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,000
up at the back of our ways and these these

1479
01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:08,600
woods at the back of where he grew up used

1480
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,560
to be interconnected with this particular wood back in the day.

1481
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,319
But obviously, you know, the area is built up now,

1482
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:18,119
there's houses and roads in between. But in this particular

1483
01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:21,279
section of this wood there was a bit called Devil's Dyke,

1484
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,399
and you're probably familiar with you know, when an area

1485
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,239
has got the word devil in it, there's normally good

1486
01:16:29,279 --> 01:16:32,359
reason for that devil to be put there. Okay, So

1487
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:35,279
this was called Devil's Dyke, and now when he was

1488
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:37,159
growing up, he just fort it was. It was given

1489
01:16:37,159 --> 01:16:38,560
that name to keep you away from it, you know,

1490
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,920
to scare kids away from it because it was dangerous area.

1491
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 5: It was you know, it was a dyke.

1492
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:46,520
Speaker 7: But it turns out from talking to his cousin at

1493
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,319
the time, that someone had actually seen a creature that

1494
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:52,840
resembles this creature that I've described earlier, actually at this place,

1495
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,960
and that's how it got its name, the Devil's Dyke.

1496
01:16:56,279 --> 01:16:58,880
So and telling this to a friend of mine and

1497
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,319
he says, he says, you're sucking joking. I says, no, honestly,

1498
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:04,399
this is you know, three different people have told me

1499
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:08,079
about this now and he says, he says, one of

1500
01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:10,560
my friends told me about this, and he thought again

1501
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,479
he thought he was making it up before his full ship.

1502
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:15,800
But what he said he happened is he was walking

1503
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,239
his dog around the back of a was he woulds

1504
01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:20,920
and these two people approached him running panics, you know,

1505
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:25,520
ash and white, running towards him, saying run, run, run.

1506
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,880
And obviously this is England, you know, we've got no

1507
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:30,600
dangerous wild animals or anything like that. So he didn't

1508
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,520
know what was going on, so he's just to deal

1509
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,319
with his dog. These people run towards him. You know,

1510
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,840
Let's say a husband and wife has male and female

1511
01:17:37,079 --> 01:17:38,880
runs towards him and they said, run, run, We've just

1512
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:44,000
seen the devil. And obviously you run with him back

1513
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:46,640
back towards a car park, and he said, what you

1514
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,560
know he's saying? Obviously Eventually the slowed down and he said,

1515
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,000
what did you see? And they described exactly the same figure,

1516
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,920
but they didn't mention the glowing eyes. But apart from that,

1517
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,520
they described the same figure in slight. This is probably,

1518
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:02,319
I don't know, maybe one thousand yards away from the

1519
01:18:02,319 --> 01:18:04,600
original siting, if you like, book the opposite side of

1520
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,960
the woods, you know, of seeing the same woods. Anyway,

1521
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,319
that guy who's talking, and it turns out that a

1522
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:15,079
friend of his also saw a creature. But this was

1523
01:18:15,119 --> 01:18:16,960
at nighttime and he was just finishing off your gut,

1524
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:19,520
some gardening work for one of his customers, and he

1525
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,880
just leant against the fence. This is at the woods

1526
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,479
that used to adjoin him to this particular woods back

1527
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,680
in the day. I like, I say, they don't anymore.

1528
01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:30,880
But he was less just resting against this fence post,

1529
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:34,399
you know, having a cigarette. I finished his day and

1530
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,239
he heard this thing approaching him in this dyke, you know,

1531
01:18:37,279 --> 01:18:37,960
this devil's dyke.

1532
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,239
Speaker 5: What's there, he heard it approaching him and it came up.

1533
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 7: And he said it could just make out as a

1534
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,680
shadowy figure, but he could see the red glowing eyes

1535
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,840
looking back at him.

1536
01:18:47,279 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 5: You know.

1537
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,399
Speaker 7: So you take one story, but to get four or

1538
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:54,439
five people saying a similar thing in the same area,

1539
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:55,840
independent of each other.

1540
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1541
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 5: That's the reason that I enjoyed the power on normal.

1542
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,359
Speaker 3: And I see that. I guess what I got out

1543
01:19:04,359 --> 01:19:06,920
of the conversation is you said, you guys don't have

1544
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,479
any wild animals over in England, and I think you're

1545
01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:13,399
not including the dog man, which is made clear by

1546
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,159
Andy roams all.

1547
01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 5: The forest over there, that's everyway seas in supermarkets.

1548
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,039
Speaker 3: He just has a he just got a big beard. Andy,

1549
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:28,640
he's not a dog man killed him.

1550
01:19:29,279 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, but no, yeah, obviously you know now knowing this

1551
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:40,000
dog man is is allegedly roaming around the British Isles

1552
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,439
and I'm speaking to someone just either week and you know,

1553
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:48,399
she colates, you know, cryptid the encounters. She actually played

1554
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:51,760
some more into like a map if you like. And

1555
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,079
you know how many bigfoot sightings she's recorded in the UK.

1556
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 5: You just have a gas three.

1557
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I before I I thought she'd have

1558
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,399
ten or fifteen something like that. Maybe she's actually got

1559
01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:07,000
over four hundred reports of a bigfoot, white creatures sitting

1560
01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:11,840
in the UK. Obviously I'm not saying that they're all true,

1561
01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:15,239
but you know, when she told me that number that,

1562
01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:17,479
you know, blew my mind.

1563
01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:22,319
Speaker 5: And anyway that's cryptos to Wolds you, I'll be gone

1564
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:23,760
to that. Well.

1565
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 3: We start talking about dog Man again, as it usually

1566
01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:29,079
turns out on your show. Did you say you had

1567
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:31,319
another story besides the Kentucky one?

1568
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I could give you another one. This one didn't

1569
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:38,920
didn't make it onto our show, so it's an exclusive

1570
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,279
for you. I'll get to save you all the best

1571
01:20:42,319 --> 01:20:46,000
bits and just let me find it. This is the

1572
01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:50,479
story of the Undertaker's Bride.

1573
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,159
Speaker 5: Are you familiar with this one?

1574
01:20:52,399 --> 01:20:53,079
Speaker 3: No?

1575
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's probably not for not for kids, this one,

1576
01:20:59,079 --> 01:21:03,520
so if there's any kids listening, turn up. So this

1577
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:08,720
happens in the fall of nineteen eleven in London, Okay,

1578
01:21:09,319 --> 01:21:13,680
and it centers around this fellow called Edmund Smith who

1579
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,000
was an undertaker, the local undertaker. Now we all know

1580
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:19,560
generally undertakers are awardos, and this Smith was no.

1581
01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 5: Exception to the rule. He goes into the local pub,

1582
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,760
has a few drinks, gets pretty amored, and starts boasting

1583
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,000
while he's still drinking in the pub to his friends

1584
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,279
and people around that he was enjoying cardinal relations with

1585
01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:41,319
the young women whose bodies he was taken care of

1586
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:44,560
at the mortuary. Yep.

1587
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 7: So he actually put it like this, he said, this

1588
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,640
particular day, he said, I have sampled a beauty who

1589
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,439
drowned on the eve of their wedding. Okay, and she

1590
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:01,119
was actually to be buried in a bridal dress. So

1591
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,359
you're not the most wholesome of characters, is he. But

1592
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:07,399
a few weeks later, he's in the pub again, and

1593
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:09,439
he comes in and these, you know, the look of

1594
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,760
terror on his face, and the friends asking to see

1595
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,079
what's wrong with you, you know, And this guy's used

1596
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:16,800
to seeing dead bodies and that, so you know, he

1597
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,840
don't normally get shot. But he says, this particular woman

1598
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,119
appeared to him in his home. She appeared to him

1599
01:22:23,159 --> 01:22:26,880
decked out in a rotten wedding dress, and she begged

1600
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,159
him to come with her. She actually said to him,

1601
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,119
don't you want to be with us? Don't you want

1602
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:33,159
to be with me together?

1603
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 5: Forever?

1604
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,199
Speaker 7: My sweet you know, because he's been you know, doing

1605
01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:38,439
the holding out of her. Now she's fell in love

1606
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:42,960
with him. So the friends didn't know what to make

1607
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,920
of this. And he've had a few drinks and he

1608
01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:48,279
left the pub. He didn't come back for a few days,

1609
01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:50,199
and he was in there quite regular So people got

1610
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:52,560
a bit worried and went round to his house, and

1611
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,640
eventually the police had some friends broke into the house

1612
01:22:57,399 --> 01:23:00,800
to find a very grizzly sight. The fan, the undertaker,

1613
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,279
the smith sprawled on the dead. His neck was broken

1614
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:09,079
and an expression of raw horror was frozen upon his face.

1615
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:15,720
On the bedside. Next to him was the bridal veil d.

1616
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 5: What do you make of that?

1617
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess my question of what did most

1618
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,840
of these dead bodies look like? I mean, are they

1619
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,720
at least attractive?

1620
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:27,319
Speaker 5: Well?

1621
01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean she drowned so much wrong with.

1622
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,079
Speaker 3: Air well, I mean for some of those, depending on

1623
01:23:33,079 --> 01:23:35,239
how long the water could be like, you know, bloated

1624
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:39,520
and unrecognizable. So maybe I'm digging too deep into this.

1625
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe I think it must go on, there wasn't it.

1626
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 3: It definitely goes on. I mean there were stories back

1627
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:53,920
when Marilyn Monroe was taken to the corner's office. There

1628
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,319
were stories that somebody who worked there, you know, tried

1629
01:23:57,319 --> 01:24:00,319
to do some stuff to her. I mean, it's I mean,

1630
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,560
it's it's a sad world we live in, so none

1631
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,840
of that actually surprises me.

1632
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:10,520
Speaker 7: Just so we can tell his friends that he know

1633
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:11,960
he slept with Moro.

1634
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it didn't matter that it was after

1635
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,159
she was dead, you know. Still, Yeah, that part doesn't

1636
01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:22,600
get mentioned. So tell me a little bit about how

1637
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,079
these guys can listen to your show. I mean, they

1638
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,319
know how to listen to podcasts, so that really goes

1639
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:29,640
without saying. I hate when people say that, you know,

1640
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,000
it's on iTunes and all the other platforms. But tell

1641
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,600
them how they can interact with you more. I know

1642
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,239
you've got some groups and stuff out there.

1643
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:43,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, we have a Facebook group called the Don't Bring

1644
01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:50,039
the Old Podcast Paranormal Hangout, and really that's it is

1645
01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:52,319
for the show, but it's it's not it's not just

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01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,359
solely about the show, you know, it's not people just

1647
01:24:54,399 --> 01:24:57,920
on their team. This is a wonderful podcast. It's in fact,

1648
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:03,039
there's nobody on there saying that it is a place

1649
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:07,520
where people can share the paranormal stories and feelings and

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01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,920
all the rest of it. And then if we do

1651
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,560
do a show where people want to, you know, mention

1652
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,359
something about the show, something we missed off or something

1653
01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:15,239
we said or whatever, and that goes on there as well.

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01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 5: So rarely there's that. And then.

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01:25:19,119 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 7: Obviously if people want to send us the stories, they

1656
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,399
just send them to dbto podcast at gmail dot com.

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01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 5: And then if they want to look at the website

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01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:27,000
that is.

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01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 7: Just don't break the oath podcast or one word or

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01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,640
phrase if you will dot com.

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01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,520
Speaker 3: And you've got a new shop up too.

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01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:40,119
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, yeah, we've moved shops now. We were on

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01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,479
the same shop as what you guys use.

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01:25:43,239 --> 01:25:44,079
Speaker 5: Seems to be.

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01:25:45,319 --> 01:25:50,279
Speaker 7: Pretty sweet looking at it. So yeah, if people want

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01:25:50,319 --> 01:25:53,159
to get something in time for Christmas, they probably missed

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01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:53,439
the boat.

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01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,199
Speaker 5: To be honest, I think it's getting a bit close now.

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01:25:55,239 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 7: But if they want to get on there and get

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01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,079
a Latine mug, I don't break the oath on it.

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01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 5: Why would you? I don't know. If you do, the

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01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,600
shop is there for you.

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01:26:06,199 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 3: We had somebody by, We had somebody by a shower curtain,

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01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,560
so I can't say that. Yeah, yeah, and then somebody

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01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,439
else already asked me about he's trying to convince his

1676
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,760
wife to let them buy one. So now it's become

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01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,520
kind of a thing, so it's kind of funny.

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01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's shower can in every state.

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01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be awesome. Well, brother, we areciate.

1680
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 5: Should we should have a map on your website.

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01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are all the states that we still need

1682
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,319
somebody to Wisconsin, I need you to buy a shower curtain.

1683
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,840
Thank you so much. Coming on wish Andy could have

1684
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,520
been a part of it, but uh, here, I understand

1685
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:45,199
how it is to be sick. But the reality of

1686
01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:48,640
it is it was still fun, and I think the

1687
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,439
the tone of the show, of your show was still

1688
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,560
came through exactly because I felt like I was listening

1689
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,000
to Don't Break the Oath while you were telling your

1690
01:26:57,039 --> 01:27:02,680
stories and giving your little summarizing statements of your thoughts

1691
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,239
of the story. So if you're listening and haven't listening

1692
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:09,439
to Don't Break the Oath, that's kind of what you get,

1693
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,359
except you get two of them going back and forth,

1694
01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:13,520
and that part actually even adds to it. So but

1695
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,479
I thought it really came across well as far as

1696
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,479
showing people what your show was like. If they hadn't

1697
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,560
heard it, and I appreciate you coming on.

1698
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 5: Yeah anytime, mate, And I'm glad.

1699
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,199
Speaker 3: You got new sound equipment because now I'll start listening

1700
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:26,760
to the show again. I'm just kidding.

1701
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 5: So you're the one thou.

1702
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,199
Speaker 3: All right, brother, I greatly appreciate it. Tell Andy, I said, hi,

1703
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,239
and looking forward to great things from you guys.

1704
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure we'll speak before Christmas. But I just

1705
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:43,199
want to wish you in that Tracy, a very merry.

1706
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,319
Speaker 5: Christmas, and the same to you guys, Lee chest Matie.

1707
01:27:46,359 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 3: All right, thank you. I really do love their show.

1708
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,319
I mean, they, like I said, they had sound quality problems,

1709
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,039
and I know that's a pain for most people. It

1710
01:27:55,079 --> 01:27:57,680
was the same way with me. I struggled to listen

1711
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:01,199
sometimes to it. But now it is ten times better.

1712
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 6: Now and it's really great.

1713
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 3: And you know, I talked to Lee here a little

1714
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,880
bit shortly ago, and he was shortly ago.

1715
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,520
Speaker 6: Yeah that's the word, right, But that totally did not

1716
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:14,680
make sense, Okay.

1717
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 3: I talked to him a long time ago, and now

1718
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,840
I talked. I talked to him earlier today and he

1719
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,159
was telling me that their listeners have almost doubled what

1720
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:24,319
they were three weeks ago.

1721
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 6: Good for you guys. That's great.

1722
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,399
Speaker 3: It's coming completely back up. And it's all got to

1723
01:28:29,399 --> 01:28:30,279
do with the sound quality.

1724
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, well good, you guys deserve.

1725
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,359
Speaker 3: It sound quality. And dog Man. That's all we talk

1726
01:28:35,359 --> 01:28:37,880
about on that show, is that, right, Everything everything turns

1727
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,279
out to be a dog Man. It could be a UFO.

1728
01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:42,279
It's dog Man flying it. I mean, it's just.

1729
01:28:43,399 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 6: Hey, that's what you believe in, right, That's right.

1730
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,279
Speaker 3: But we're gonna we're gonna do some more stuff on

1731
01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:49,880
dog Man. I've got some guys from the North American

1732
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,920
dog Man Project that's not too far from us. I

1733
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,600
think they're up in the Cincinnati area, so it's only

1734
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,079
a couple hours away, and I'm gonna try to get

1735
01:28:57,079 --> 01:28:58,960
them on the show. We talked to him at Scarefest

1736
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,560
and it's a long time coming. But they've got some

1737
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,960
cool stories so the whole you know, if you get

1738
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,119
into the Bigfoot and We're wolves and all that stuff.

1739
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:10,520
They've got the cool story that happened in Kentucky where

1740
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,199
they've actually got a documentary out where supposedly this guy

1741
01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:16,399
saw this were wolf type creature just tear a couple

1742
01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:19,319
of people apart. But there's still no record of it.

1743
01:29:19,359 --> 01:29:22,039
So it's one of those funny he saw it, he

1744
01:29:22,119 --> 01:29:24,039
knows what he saw, but there's no record of it.

1745
01:29:24,079 --> 01:29:25,760
So is there a cover up? I don't know.

1746
01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 6: I hope that didn't happen. That's really not good.

1747
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 3: We'll get them on after the first of the year

1748
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,479
and have them tell you the story, because when he

1749
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,960
told it to me, I was like, I couldn't It

1750
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:40,319
sounded almost too unbelievable. But you know, so many conspiracies

1751
01:29:40,359 --> 01:29:43,680
and cover ups are so well, guys, we're gonna wrap

1752
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,560
this night up. We hope you enjoyed everything that we

1753
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,720
had for you tonight. I think you're gonna enjoy what

1754
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,439
we got for you next week. Like I said earlier,

1755
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,960
So a little bit of a little bit of true

1756
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:59,239
crime facts, a little bit of Andrea Whitney and telling

1757
01:29:59,279 --> 01:30:01,880
her story. And I'm telling you, I know I keep

1758
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,720
teasing this, but her story, I'm just going to give

1759
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,640
you a tidbit of what it is. She actually had

1760
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:13,159
a friend that supposedly committed suicide. There was a lot

1761
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:16,319
of questions about whether that was actually happened or not.

1762
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:22,039
There was questions about whether the police investigation was done properly,

1763
01:30:22,079 --> 01:30:24,439
it's a small town, so a lot of things could happen,

1764
01:30:25,039 --> 01:30:27,760
and she's decided to look into it on her own,

1765
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,159
and there's a bunch of paranormal things that have happened

1766
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,199
to kind of point her in different directions. It's awesome

1767
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:38,239
and the story that she told me, it was one

1768
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:40,079
of the most awesome stories I've ever heard.

1769
01:30:40,199 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 6: Oh wow.

1770
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 3: So, you know, I think back to if you've seen

1771
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,760
the movie with Kevin Bacon. What was that movie? You remember?

1772
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:52,199
Speaker 6: Was it a movie or a TV show?

1773
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 3: No, it was the movie where the little girl was

1774
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:00,159
killed in the neighborhood and he got hypnotized and he

1775
01:31:00,199 --> 01:31:02,159
could start seeing things and she was coming to him

1776
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:06,119
to try to help him solve the murder. But that

1777
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,800
was an awesome movie. And this when she started telling

1778
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,560
me some of the things happened, and that's what it

1779
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,279
reminded me of, was that movie. So but yeah, that

1780
01:31:14,399 --> 01:31:18,239
was actually stir of echos is that's right, Eckles. But

1781
01:31:18,399 --> 01:31:20,600
the things she was telling me was similar to type

1782
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:22,439
things that you would see in a movie like that,

1783
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,520
to where somebody's reaching out from beyond the grave to

1784
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,479
try to help find out what really happened, and the

1785
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,319
incidents that she'll tell you about her are just amazing,

1786
01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:36,399
So I can't wait to do that. So hey, how

1787
01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:41,840
about that for a fun Christmas? We got serial killer fun,

1788
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,880
serial killer facts and people reaching out from beyond the

1789
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,119
graves to solve that. And we're going to have some

1790
01:31:47,119 --> 01:31:51,439
some scary Christmas stories, some paranormal stuff that's happened at

1791
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:55,399
Christmas time. One of them, I can already tell you,

1792
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,439
involves a boy and his seven year old dead friend.

1793
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,960
But it's a very cool story, so it's it's kind

1794
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,920
of scary. You might you might start crying on that

1795
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,800
one to Alright, guys, we love you and we'll see you,

1796
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:09,439
so love you.

1797
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 6: Guys. Have a good week.