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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, brand new month and off of a weekend

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at Hastino, shocking, Foster recapture his WBT Junior Lightweight championship

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with another narrow decision, but a judgment decision. We're gonna

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talk about that fight. We're gonna talk about Floyd Goldfield,

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Oh hello, who had a battle on his hands as

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it turned out late in the fight, but did go

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ahead and win the Golden Boy main event in Las Vegas.

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That and a women's undisputed flyweight title win for Gabriella

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Fundora will recap all of that, plus one of the

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great up and coming top rank prospects, Keyshawn Davis with

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our Dan ray Field. I'm merely TJ Reeves. It is

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the fight for each to night Recap podcast. He is

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the mighty one who I guess is threatening me with

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some kind of bodily harm if I don't mention was

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five for five on the bet Us show with your handicapping.

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Speaker 2: I never, I never threatened anybody about that. Please come on.

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Speaker 1: I believe the exact quote was I better be the

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fing capper of the week for bet Us.

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Speaker 3: I went that's just the reality.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I took it last time I was like five,

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and oh, they didn't give it to me.

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Speaker 1: I understand, you do understand that I got four of

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the same five that you got, right right, I just

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didn't get the decision because Gabriella Fundor got the knockout

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and you cashed plus three thirty on that. For the

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viewers that were watching on the bet Us platform. True,

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so well done. We got a busy show here with

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the recaps. We got Tishawn Davis coming up, a little news,

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a little nostalgia, including more George Foreman, and even some

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Larry Holmes heavyweight nostalgia in a little bit. All right,

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so let's get into it. By the way, follow, subscribe Apples, Preaker, Spotify.

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This is the recap pod off the weekend. We also

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preview going into the weekend. You want to follow and

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subscribe because we have great interviews as well. We put

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them up a lot of times as standalone podcasts, et cetera.

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I will tease the audience one more time, you did

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talk to Mike Tyson, and we will be playing that

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interview you want me to say it subsequently, we will

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subsequently be playing that interview with Iron Mike coming up

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in advance of this Jake Paul fight, but what their

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you if you saw and talked to Iron Mike on Friday,

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and they'll get to hear it in a bit later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean our time was limited because you know,

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they were pretty tired with the time.

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Speaker 3: But it was good to talk to Mike.

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Speaker 2: I saw Mike in Vegas a year and a half

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ago or so, and we spoke for a little bit

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and you know, not not an interview, just to like

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say hello, because I'm you know, we've known each other

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for twenty five years practically. I covered a lot of

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those fights at the end of his career, interviewed Mike

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many times, but hadn't interviewed him, you know, in the

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number of years. So this was a good chance to

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get back with him. And he sounded good, He looked good,

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he seemed attentive. You know, Mike's not always the easy,

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easiest interview when he's not in a good mood. But

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he was in a good mood. He was on time

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for the interview, which is like, you know, a miracle

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off the bat. So anyway, it was again it's not

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a long interview, but it was good, and he was

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and he's looking forward to the fight. And you know,

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people can think about whatever they want about the merit

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of whether he should be fighting a professional fight, but

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it was good to hear from him and the reasons

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Speaker 1: All right, So that interview is coming up now on

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this pod, but on a subsequent pod. So that's why

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he got to follow and subscribe again. Will you will

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hear from Keshawn Davison a little bit? All right, let's

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get into it. We built it up, we talked about it,

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we previewed it. It was a more competitive fight, a

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more interesting fight, and Oshaki Foster I believe the rightful winner.

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I will say that, getting a split decision victory over

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Robson Consasal of Brazil to regain the WBC one hundred

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and thirty pound title. This was the main event of

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the top rank ESPN Plus card in Verona, New York.

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All right, your thoughts on this win and was it

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deserved as two of the judges believed that it was.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely was deserved. But I mean I can understand

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why if somebody thought it was a draw or maybe

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first fight that O Shaki Foster clearly won. I went

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back and looked up. I scored that fight ten rounds

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to two in favor of O Shaky Foster. I know

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either way. Maybe, so maybe I had an eight to

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assessment of that fight. In terms of the fight that

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a couple things. Number one, as you mentioned, way better

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entertainment value, good fight. I mean, it's not gonna be

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the fight of the year. But if you didn't know

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little bit of everything. But the weird thing about it

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was so okay. Foster wins the split decision this time.

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and the other judge had it the same score or

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consown the other card. I also had at one fifteen

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to one third in favor of Foster. I achieved my

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one fifteen one to thirteen scorecard because I gave Foster

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rounds eleven and twelve. I had this fight dead even

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after ten rounds, and so in my and I thought

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Speaker 1: I thought he won both of the last two rounds. However, however,

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Speaker 2: Two of the judges gave Consissau the last two rounds,

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but Foster still won the fight. So there was The

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scoring was kind of I will say, it's all over

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the place. But they were not agreeing on and everything

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the way you'd hope that they would. But in the end,

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he won the fight.

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Speaker 1: Interesting that in the tenth round he rocked him. Foster

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rocked Concessao, and you thought, wait a minute, this might

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and gave Consissau or had to fight even I'm sorry,

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and gave Consissau the last two rounds for the wine.

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guy won, like like you always say, the right guy

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tenth round to Foster when he should have hurt and

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you know, taking clean punches. Listen, I thought he won

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the first fight. Let's call it a blip, you know,

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a pothole, if you will. He regains the title.

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Speaker 2: And now he's on to bigger and better things hopefully.

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he can't ever be in a good fight again or

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fight for a title again. He's at the unfortunate situation

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where now he is now one win in a world

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title fight, which most people thought he didn't deserve. But

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now he's also got the draw with Navarete, a lost

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to Foster, a lost of Valdez, and a loss to Shakur.

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thirty six years old now, but he came in great

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condition and we'll see, if you know, if he has

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Speaker 3: I mean he didn't.

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the translator, he said he'd like the third fight. I

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don't think we're seeing that anytime soon, because there'll be

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other business for Foster, who you know, to most people

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now has won two fights in a row against against Consasout.

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fact that the scores were as close as they were

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and that he lost a split decision, whereas previously he

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won a split decision. He was like I'm happy because

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you know, bitch and moan and carry on and all that.

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that close. I mean, you can say that without coming

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first fight. He had like an iron deficiency and some

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little injuries and this and that. But he was very

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about the decision. And good for Foster. I mean he

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didn't throw enough punches, even though Copybox credit him with

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Lannymore the activity level just was not there to assuade

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the judges. In this fight. He threw, you know, several

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hundred more punches than he did in the first fight,

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and that made a big difference, and he was rewarded

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for that activity rightfully. So I might add in a again,

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not the fight of the year, but a fight that

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Speaker 1: Interesting. His corner in the in between the tenth and

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the eleventh, and certainly before the final round, was adamant,

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you've got to go get him. You've got to win

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this round. Even though you and I and I think

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most people thought he had done enough going to the twelve.

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It was just interesting in the corner. This corner man

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was even saying, get him out of here, knock him

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on his ass. You got to go get this round

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because they realize, who knows what those scorecards aren't it

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burned him last time. So I thought that was just interesting.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Bobby Benton is Oshaki Foster's longtime trainer. He also

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with the trainer for Regis program. There's table mates where

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Hegis was out of the fight, and uh, you know,

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Bobby is not a guy in the corner that necessarily

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loses in his mind, but he also, having watched him

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deal with Corners, uh, says what he thinks and he

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does it in a in a stern and forceful manner.

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that I quote, I won't shout like he did.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: This is Benton talking to Oshaki Fosster. Put him on

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his fuck on his fucking ask for me, put this

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boy on his ass. We need this fucking round.

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Speaker 3: YEP.

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Speaker 2: So they weren't screaming and they knew it close. And

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by the way, it was close.

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Speaker 3: It was close, you know. Foster.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, we talked about this a little bit

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before the fight. One hundred and thirty pounds weight class

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has good fighters in it, not necessarily huge names, but

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but quality guys. Foster, Navarette, Valdez, you know whom I

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think besides oh and and and Consasoo. I mean, these

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even if they don't have like huge reputations and big names.

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season cards. He had that big upset. Lamont Roach is

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the other guy with the belt. He's moving up UH

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theoretically we think to challenge Tank Davis. But the thing

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about it is, in terms of the top rank universe,

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it's very clear that Asshaki said this after the fight.

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He wants the winner of what's going to take place

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UH in December, the rematch being Navarette and Valdez. Navarette

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is the title holder of the WBO. Valdez is the

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WBO's interim champion. They're fighting each other in a rematch,

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and it makes logical sense for Fosher to get the

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shot at the winter. I hope that that happens. That's

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an interesting fight.

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Speaker 1: Then again, it's boxing, but it seems like it's lining

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up that way because that fight is next month, Navaraate

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and Valdez. Let's see, let's see if unification is in

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the offing. On the undercard. We didn't spend a lot

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of time talking Raymond Murataia on the bet Us show.

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We did on this preview podcast, and boy, he didn't

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spend a lot of time with Jesus Perez. As it

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turns out, tell me more about what you saw out

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of Murataia.

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Speaker 2: I saw what I thought was Maurtia's best performance of

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his career. I mean, Barnun, that was a professional, determined

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like I'm here to be in a championship fight. Let

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me show you why. No more fighting down to the

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level of opposition, no more playing with your food, just

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going in there, coming in great shape and just and

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destroying us. I mean, look, I'm not going to sit

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here and make Jesus Prez out to be a pound

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for pound fighter or even a top top contender in

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the weight class. But I can tell you there were

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definitely people at top rank who were a little concerned

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about this fight.

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Speaker 3: It'll bit worried. That's just the reality.

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Speaker 2: He had some losses, but he had never been stopped,

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and he'd been in the ring with some good opponents

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U and Murati. As I said, sometimes he doesn't necessarily

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fight as well as should because he finally fights at

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a lot of his opponent. But he didn't waste any

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time he went out there. He won the first round.

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He established himself as jab He was rocking him with

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right hands. He's knocking his head back with jabs. Clearly

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winter the first round, comes out in the second round

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and just takes the guy apart, lands no more stiff

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right hands, puts him on his back twice. And you

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know too, dude, the credit of Hazers Prez. He got up,

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he tried. But when when Murti went to him and

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put some more shots on him, the referee rightfully, so

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Charlie Fitcher's a good referee, stopped the fight in the

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in the was in the third round, no no in

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the second rocond in the second round, Yeah, and gives

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him the knockout win. And so he he took a

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part a guy that I think most people thought Murtai

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is gonna win the fight, fine, but the reality was

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I think a lot of folks if he had asked

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me before the fight, you know, how do you think

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this goes?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a very good chance that Murtai gets

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a knockout, but I would say this fight's getting at

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least in the second half of the fight, and he

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just completely destroyed him. And now it sets up, uh,

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probably an opportunity for Murtai who's been dying for a

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title shot. Who by the way, uh, when when Top

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Rank was trying to arrange the final fight for Shakurse

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Stevenson on his Top Rank contract. They presented some names

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to Shakor as apostible opponent. Moritai was one of those guys.

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He accepted the fight, but Shakor had other uh, you know,

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did not decide to pick him. He went elsewhere and

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uh and fu somebody else.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But Morotai is now into that position. He's undefeated, he's

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he's hungry, he was in great shape, he's got obviously

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a top notch corner with Robert Garcia, and so now

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it's going to play out like this. And they talked

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about a little bit in the post fight press cor

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postfight the interview. This is what I've been told by

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Top Rank. Mark Kriegel on the broadcast spoke about it

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a little bit. They're in a situation right now in

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terms of the titles where you have the IVF champions,

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Silly Lomachenko, who was contemplating his retirement. If he does

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decide to call it a day U and he hasn't

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made that decision, he's not a you know, from a

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public standpoint, that title will become vacant. And when that

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title becomes vacant, the IBF if you look down the

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ratings and you see who's fighting.

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Speaker 3: Who and what the order of the numbers are.

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Speaker 2: The obvious fight that's going to be for the vacant

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title will be ordered between Mauritaya and the Russian fighter

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is Zaa Abdeliav, who's only you know, he's twenty and

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one is one loss was in an interim title fight.

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He got knocked out I believe it was in twenty

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nineteen by Devin Hainey. Other than that, though, he hasn't

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never lost a fight, so that could very well be

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for the vacant title in that division. And you know,

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you see other guys in the ratings, but they're either occupied,

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there is maybe one of the spots is vacant, that

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type of thing. So top rank is I think positioning

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Murtaya for the IBF belt towards the Lomachenko or if

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he vacates. And there are other lightweight that we're going

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to talk about in a minute with Keishan Davis, who

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is fighting, who's also high up in the various ratings.

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I think they're pointing out towards the w what was it,

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the WBO title, which is held by Dennis Branchik, who

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even though top Rank is not Dennis Brenchick's promoter, they

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have an option on him from what happened in the

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previous fight. So there's going to be some shake up.

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There's gonna be some changing of the guard, so to speak,

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in that weight class in the coming year. And I

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figure and I believe that in that division. H you know,

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Raymond Burtia sits right there, right in the thick of

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this lightweight picture for sure. And by the way, Chaquur

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Stevenson as one of the belts also, but he's off

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doing his thing with the Williams of Haya fight when

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he is back from his injury.

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Speaker 1: All right, a lot of options and again Murretia look good,

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Okay again Keyshawn Davis coming up in a few minutes.

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First though, let's recap the Golden Boy to Own card

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in Las Vegas, where Floyd Schofield defeated Renee Teles Jerone

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in what turned out to be a little bit more

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dramatic I think than a lot of people thought, including

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a knockdown late by Jeron, and it's and saw Scofield,

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whether he was tired, whether he was careless getting hit

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with some big shots late in this fight. All right,

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tell me what you saw. Schofield gets the win, but

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I think there's some question marks after this fight.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, first and foremost, he's a

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good prospect, but he's not ready for the top guys yet.

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You know, he's been calling out Tank Davis and Shaquar

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Stevenson and that kind of stuff, and I know, I'll

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respect to him. I can't blame the enthusiasm, and you

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want to see these guys willing and interested to fight

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the top guys, but he's just not ready. And if

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his team were to try to make those fights and

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stick him in where I don't think he has a

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chance to get those fights yet anyway, just based on

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the you know what, the level of financial muscle he

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could bring to the table, which is not that much

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at the moment, But he's not ready. Forget about the

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financial part. He's not ready for experience wise to be

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in the ring with those guys you said. Remember he's

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still a young fighters, only twenty two years old. He's

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got eighteen fights, but he hasn't really fought too many

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you know, solid top guys. You know you're not you're

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not dealing with you know, guys like Tank Davis and

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Sports Stevenson are battle tested against you know, a litany

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of name fighters through the years and multiple weight divisions,

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so he still I think a couple of years away

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from that, even though you know in boxing sometimes at

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that point you do get Russian and the guys really

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try to make that point to get to that fight

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as quickly as possible. So through the first like eight

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eight rounds or so, this was a totally dominating, one

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sided ass kicking where you know, basically it's eight rounds,

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nine rounds to zero, you know, and he's cruising along,

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you know, he was getting hit with left hands, and

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then finally in the eleventh round, you know your own

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who's got a great chin, even though he's got some losses,

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and one thing about him he never been I don't

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think he's ever been knocked down, much less knocked out.

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He caught him with a clean shot, He put him

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on his your end, and the thing about it was okay,

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that happens. I mean, we can go through the litany

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of top fighters who've been dropped and doesn't necessarily mean

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anything significant. I mean, you know, the best fighters I

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can think above our time, most of them been knocked

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down at one time or another. The thing that he

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didn't do though Schofield was fighting intelligently after the knockdown.

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I appreciate the fact that he wants to entertain the crowd,

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and that's cool, and that's I appreciate that, But there's

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a dire rain entertaining the crowd and being stupid, and

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he fought stupid in my opinion, the last couple of

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rounds because he just know he didn't have to go

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into the battles.

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Speaker 1: And I credit Sergio Mora again, who again, I love

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him more on the commentary I think than you do

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on his own, not that you don't like him, but

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Maud honed in on that right away and said, what

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is he doing about that? Winning convincingly and you're now

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taking the risk that you can be knocked out here

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by trading with this guy. I think that showed some

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inexperience as well as.

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Speaker 2: Your take is exactly right now by the way you

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can be in the position I don't expect you don't

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know the scorecards. Obviously, we've seen crazy shit happen, so

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you can still fight and box and and and go

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forward and and and still make it interesting for the viewers.

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And the crowd and yourself. But there's a difference between

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doing that and just being absolutely stupid and reckless.

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Speaker 1: He was going and standing in toe to toe trading,

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which he was much.

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Speaker 2: More on the side of being to to toe as

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stupid and reckless than he wasn't just still fighting but

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but uh, but but still keeping within himself and making

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sure he gets out of the round and not get

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touched up. So he's got some learning to do. There

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was definitely a snap who at one point, I forget

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what round it was, he went back to the corner. Uh,

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either the stool was in the wrong place, he didn't

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see it. He went to sit down on the stool

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and he fell down on the ground because the stool

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wasn't underneath him. I mean, that's honestly, PJ. I've been

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watching boxing for my whole life practice. I have never

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seen that happen before. Where a guy go I've seen

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guys go back to the corner and not sit where

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they decide to stand up. And I've seen guys, you know,

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sit down and you know, maybe be a little wobblier

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this and that. But I've never seen ever a fighter

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go back to the corner sit down and miss the

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stool completely and follow in the ground that I've never seen.

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Speaker 1: He was definitely he was definitely wide left about two

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feet and his dad right back up and put him

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back on the stool. So a bit of a mess

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at the end, but also a learning experience and we'll

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see where it takes Schofield down the road.

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Speaker 2: So in the postfight, his promoter, Oscar de Lawya, you know,

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obviously you know, not only is this promoter, but as

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a Hall of Fame fighter in a former six division

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world champion, one of the best fighters of his time,

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gave him like the C plus when they when I

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think it was Chris Mannix, I guess asked him to

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give him the grade, and I thought Oscar was maybe

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a little bit harsh, But then again, you know, those

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last couple of rounds, they don't a race. The good

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work he did the first you know, three quarters or

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more of the fight, but that the last couple of

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rounds was a mess. And the father in the corner,

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Schofield's father was just losing his mind and was and

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didn't you know, just just wanted just wanted him to

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to do what you said, box and and then don't

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be reckless, and there was definitely a difference of opinion there.

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I mean, the fighters got to listen to what the

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trainer says. I mean, now I've seen examples where the

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trainer has said one thing and the fighter has dispensed

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with that advice and done his own thing. I remember

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very specifically for it.

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Speaker 3: Doug.

474
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Speaker 2: Give you one example when Jared Hurd was in the

475
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,920
unification fight at one hundred and fifty four against Arisloni Lara,

476
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,599
which turned out to be the fight of the year

477
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,640
that year two thousand and what nineteen maybe eighteen, and

478
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,119
his trainer was telling him basically to keep away a

479
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,160
bit in the twelfth round, and heard afterwards said absolutely not.

480
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,640
And he went out there and he scored a knockdown

481
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,279
in the twelfth round, and that's what the difference was

482
00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:54,119
in him winning the winning the fight and getting the

483
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,720
unified time, you know, becoming unified champions. So you know,

484
00:20:57,279 --> 00:21:00,000
it does happen, but you should mostly especially it's year.

485
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,720
You know your father, you know, listen, listen to the

486
00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:05,400
guy that's that's in charge of the corner. And you

487
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,000
know Schofield, he didn't do that, he kind of I

488
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,799
don't I won't tell you escape with the wind because

489
00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:11,880
he didn't you know, he didn't get get close to

490
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,240
getting knocked out after that knockdown, but he gave a

491
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,279
lot of people unnecessary heart palpitations. Put a teal like

492
00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:22,279
that so understood in retrospect, it's a good learning experience.

493
00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:23,920
But he shouldn't have had to have to deal with

494
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,799
that because of his own inability to be disciplined when

495
00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:28,720
the fight was happening.

496
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: All Right, the co feature and I got the feeling

497
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,039
on this. You you said, even coming in, the less

498
00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:39,839
set about this, the better Beck the bully Bekdamir Melikuziev

499
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,559
does win a split decision over David Stevens, Right, I

500
00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:45,039
set it up. How much do you want to say

501
00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:47,039
about that before we move on, Well, I'll.

502
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,559
Speaker 2: Say a couple of things about it. Number one, we

503
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,400
discussed how it had been on the bout sheet and

504
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,680
in the press announcement as a ten rounder as an eliminator.

505
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,200
It turned out to be a twelve rounder, which irritated

506
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,640
the heck out of me. And by the way, the

507
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,160
one motion company that always fucks that up as Golden Boy,

508
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,880
right on a regular basis, that shit happens, and if you.

509
00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:07,319
Speaker 1: Get aggravated for a lot of reasons, including it me

510
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,720
for a lot of reasons. You get aggravated about these things,

511
00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:13,640
but you get more aggravated when you inquire repeatedly. And

512
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,440
I don't know if you did in this case. Is

513
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,119
it ten or is it twelve? I asked you what

514
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,279
it is? I ask, and they still don't get it

515
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,039
right and still don't tell you the right thing.

516
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: So put that aside for a second split decision. Honestly,

517
00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:30,039
I must tell you truthfully, I did not pay close

518
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,720
close attention to this fight.

519
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: I was watching the Golden.

520
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,799
Speaker 1: I paid any attention. You paid more attention than I did,

521
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,759
So whatever, give it, whatever justice you want to get.

522
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,279
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I wasn't scoring the fight. It turned

523
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,279
out to be split decision. In reading the opinions of

524
00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:47,160
people who I respect, most people felt like it was

525
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,920
a close enough fight where maybe it could have gone

526
00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,000
either way. That neither guy and I went back and

527
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,160
I watched some of it. I watched the highlights. I mean, again,

528
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,160
I'm being truthful of what I put into the fight.

529
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,400
It seemed awfully competitive. Stevens has never fought anybody in

530
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,759
tel fighting Beck and so take that for what you want.

531
00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:08,920
I've never been impressed by beck I've said it a

532
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,359
thousand times. He gets the split decision, and oh, by

533
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,480
the way, he didn't make the weight. You know, the

534
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,519
fight's one hundred and sixty eight pound WBA elimination fight.

535
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,880
I saw some excuses from Alakuzia's team that claimed that

536
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,480
they thought the contract with was one seventy. I find

537
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:26,039
that to be absurd when the fight was publicly announced

538
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,319
as a WBA one hundred and sixty eight pounds to

539
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,359
the eliminator. The other guy made the weight with no problem.

540
00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:38,480
So numerous unimpressive performances, an absurd situation with the number

541
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,319
of rounds not the fighter's fault, a fight that you know,

542
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,880
maybe could have gone either way. Just this does not

543
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,920
impress me. Never has. Maybe he will someday, not that

544
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,839
he owes it to anything to me, but uh, you

545
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:53,920
know the fact that now I guess he'll be in

546
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,640
the mandatory position of the WBA, which makes him the

547
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,160
number one challenger in that organization for Canelo Alvarez, even

548
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,200
though he won't have to make a WBA mandatory now

549
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,279
probably for quite some time. Given there you know, the

550
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,599
status of being a super champion all that business. It

551
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,079
just shows you the lack maybe of of the uh

552
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,960
the rankings that the WBA puts forth, because to have

553
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:15,599
him as the number one contender in that way class,

554
00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:16,480
to me is ridiculous.

555
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so there you gave it a minute,

556
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,839
minute and a half whatever, Beck the Bully gets to win, Okay.

557
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,880
I'm much more interested in your takes and the prospective

558
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,519
future of Gabriella Fundora, who did get the ko that

559
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:31,559
you predicted on the bet Us show. Nice call knocking

560
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:37,920
out Gabriella Allians to win the undisputed Lightway tititle on

561
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:44,279
on Saturday in what was a tremendous performance by her.

562
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,759
Showed great punching power. I thought, you know, there's a

563
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,359
lot of intrigue there with the sister of the Towering Inferno,

564
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,240
Sebastian Fundor.

565
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:54,039
Speaker 2: She's a good fighter at number one. It was a

566
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:56,720
good fight number two. Both of the women showed something

567
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,079
in this fight. I mean, we've seen, I think both

568
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,720
of them previously in their performances that they can fight

569
00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:03,440
at a certain at the you know, the top level

570
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,839
of the women's flyway division. Uh Alanta's had split fights

571
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,400
with with with what who would she split the fights

572
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,039
with as sparsa right with Marlin spars exactly, who's been

573
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,880
a good, good championship level fighter, had dn H champion

574
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,119
split fights with her? And Fandora had looked good in

575
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,000
some of her fights when she won the title defended

576
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,000
the title. If you watch it, you saw what I

577
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:26,160
saw prior, which is that I thought that the height

578
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,000
differential was going to be a factor, which it was.

579
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:32,000
Fandora was much taller than Alanta's who They put on

580
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:33,960
a competitive fight though, I mean up until the point

581
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,200
where in round seven where Fandora scored the two knockdowns,

582
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,799
which you know were highly significant. Obviously, I thought it

583
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:43,960
was a competitive fight, and you know it was a

584
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,480
worthy fight to you know, of what they were doing,

585
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,039
which was to become the winner, the undisputed champion of

586
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,279
that weight class. They gave us a good fight for it.

587
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,960
I mean, and here's a thing that's pretty amazing when

588
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,039
you think about it. And maybe I'm missing an example,

589
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:59,359
but I can't think of an example in boxing, correct

590
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,480
me if I'm wrong, where you have not only a

591
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:07,400
brother and a sister who reign as champions simultaneously, but

592
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,440
both of them are at the least unified champions. She's

593
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,200
the on disputed champion now because she had come into

594
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,960
this title fight with one of the belts I believe

595
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,279
it was one of the belts, and her opponent had

596
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:21,440
the other three right and her brother Sebastian he unified

597
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,319
titles where he has two of the belts in one

598
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,960
hundred and fifty four pound way class, so that that's

599
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,720
like a pretty interesting accomplishment.

600
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't see that every day where.

601
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,599
Speaker 2: I'm racking champions at the same time, But to be

602
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,759
unified at the same time.

603
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,559
Speaker 1: I un racking my brain. I mean, obviously, the greatest

604
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,319
won the heavyweight title three times and his daughter much

605
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,359
much later won.

606
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: A title after him, but not at the same time.

607
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,839
Speaker 1: But I can't. I can't think of another situation, and

608
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,559
somebody can send us a message on social media or

609
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,119
hit us up somehow some way if they can think

610
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,400
of one.

611
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: I mean, here's listen, here's been, there's been time.

612
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: Time and unified champions.

613
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,799
Speaker 2: As you point out, so in terms of like at

614
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,200
the same time in more recent years, you know, the

615
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,000
Charlotte brothers both held titles in the same weight class

616
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,480
at the same time. By one fifty four, and then

617
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,119
they were simultaneously one in fifty four one at one

618
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,119
sixty Joshua Franco and his half brother. They both held

619
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,519
belts I think at the same time. So it's it's

620
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,440
it's not crazy that it happens, but a brother and

621
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,079
his sister I don't ever remember, and especially both unified.

622
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,279
So that's a great accomplishment for the Fondora family.

623
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: And in terms of.

624
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: Gabriella, she has a bright future. I said beforehand, I

625
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:43,559
still think it's the case now, with maybe another couple

626
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,119
of fights against some more better caliber names. Uh, she's

627
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,359
got a chance to put herself, I'm not known necessarily

628
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,720
at this point in time number one or two or three,

629
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:53,880
but at least put herself on that women's pound for

630
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,720
pound list with these types of performances. I mean, she

631
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,759
showed power. That's one thing we don't see a lot.

632
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,319
Speaker 1: In big straight left, big straight left hand.

633
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,799
Speaker 2: I mean I paped myself a little bit because I

634
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,480
picked a knockout, but still good. First she got it,

635
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:08,880
I mean.

636
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:11,599
Speaker 1: Well, and I know that a lot of the opponent

637
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,759
thought she got stepped on on the first knock down,

638
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,079
thought her foot got stepped on in notcroft balance. She

639
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,680
was saying that to the ref. I mean it was

640
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,559
a no doubter or on the second one, right on

641
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,880
the chin, and she was wobbly when she got up

642
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,160
and there was the stoppage. So great win for Gabriella

643
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,960
Fundura there in the Golden Boy card. All right, So

644
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,200
that leads us to your conversation with Keyshawn Davis. He

645
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,759
will headline the Top Rank show in his hometown of Norfolk,

646
00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:41,400
Virginia against Gestavo Limos. This is a Friday night upcoming

647
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,880
Top Rank ESPN Plus card. You do not have to

648
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,799
wait for fight week in the news conferences because Dan

649
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,279
talked to the US Olympian silver medallist, and let's go

650
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:51,680
to that conversation right now.

651
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to our podcast this

652
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,839
week one of the best young fighters in boxing, the

653
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,640
up and coming lightweight contender, one of my past prospects

654
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,119
of the year. It's Kishawan Davis. Kishan, we're here to

655
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,480
talk about your main event. Your first main event against

656
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,640
Gustavo Lemos will take place on November eighth. It'll headline

657
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,599
the Top Rank Boxing on ESPN Plus card in your

658
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,079
hometown of Norfolk.

659
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,319
Speaker 3: Virginia. Welcome to the show. Thank you very much for

660
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:16,720
doing this.

661
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:18,799
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, thank you.

662
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,279
Speaker 2: You bet all right. You know what I was thinking

663
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:24,359
about this. Since you turned professional, you've had a spotlight

664
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,079
on you pretty much the entire time, ever since you've

665
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,880
got the silver medal in the Olympics, in those delayed

666
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,680
twenty twenty Tokyo Olympic Games, and so I don't think

667
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,440
that's anything new to you. And I've interviewed you before

668
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,240
You've seem pretty poised about those types of things. But

669
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:43,680
now you have your first main event. You've taken on

670
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:46,240
what I think most people would consider in Gustavo Lemos

671
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,559
by far your best opponent so far as a young professional.

672
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,680
And on top of that, you're doing this headline fight

673
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,119
in your hometown, like your homecoming, your first ever fight

674
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,559
as a professional in your hometown. So I wonder do

675
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:00,839
you feel pressure from that? Is it more like just

676
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,799
a level of like super excitement about it.

677
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,519
Speaker 5: No, just not even excited, as confident, like you can't

678
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,880
get too excited and excited and train your energy. I'm

679
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,839
just confident, staying calm, and I know how to fight

680
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,599
at the end of the day.

681
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,599
Speaker 4: I'm not tripping off of who in that ring with me?

682
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,799
Speaker 5: It could have been it could have been anybody in

683
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:20,880
that ring with me, you know, so I know what

684
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,519
I can do, no extra pressure at all.

685
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: So when you when you got notified that this fight

686
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,079
was going to take place in Norfolk, I was wondering,

687
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,799
was this something that you had aspired to for a while.

688
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,319
Had you been talking to maybe Top Rank or your management, Hey,

689
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,160
can we do a fight at home? Or was it

690
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:38,960
something that they came to you and said, is this

691
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,400
something you'd like to do and to go home to

692
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:43,759
perform in front of the hometown.

693
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 5: Well, me and my brother has been talking about this

694
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,039
since we was amateur, since we was middle school, high school.

695
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: You know.

696
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:52,759
Speaker 5: So we were going to do this with what company

697
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,799
we landed on, I don't care whoever it was. Thank

698
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:57,319
god we land on Top Rank, one of the best

699
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:58,480
companies in the business.

700
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,319
Speaker 4: And the day the first day, like after the Olympics, you.

701
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 5: Know, did my little Olympic run after the Olympics had

702
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,240
parades and stuff like that.

703
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,839
Speaker 4: The very first day we sat down with Todd Ring.

704
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,119
Speaker 5: It was being my brothers, my big brother Kelvin, my mother,

705
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,640
and we was talking about a homecoming, come back to

706
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,519
the town. He was already talking about it before I

707
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,039
signed with Todd Rank, having a meeting and getting the

708
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,400
contract stuff situated.

709
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: So we already had a vision for this and we

710
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,079
made it happen.

711
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: So I guess it was just a matter of them

712
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,920
bringing you home when you were ready to be the

713
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,359
main event, as opposed to go into Norfolk when you're

714
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,960
gonna be like in an eight rounder or something on

715
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,119
the undercard. Is that sort of the scenario.

716
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,359
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, for sure, they can't. They can't bring nobody

717
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,039
to my hometown as is me main event. So we

718
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:43,680
already had that cover, like when we come home and

719
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,319
be Madine event.

720
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:44,839
Speaker 4: For sure.

721
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,519
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned like your older brother Kelvin that's you know,

722
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,720
you're a lightweight. He's in the junior wealth weight division.

723
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,480
He's on the show. And now you guys have fought

724
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,319
on the same cards before as you guys have gone

725
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,000
through the early part of your career. But now also

726
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,640
I think what probably adds to the special nature of

727
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,279
this is your younger brother, uh Keon Davis, who is

728
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,519
also he's a welterweight. He's making his professional debut on

729
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,319
this card. So when you think about that that you're

730
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:11,200
the headliner, but your two brothers who I know you're

731
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,519
close to, are also going to perform on the same event.

732
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:15,119
What does that mean to you? And what does that

733
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,279
just mean to like your mom, to the whole family.

734
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:21,759
Speaker 5: His major Like everybody from my family is coming. I

735
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:23,319
got a family in New York, I got family in

736
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:28,599
North Carolina, I got a family in Virginia. I got

737
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,359
a family everywhere.

738
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,279
Speaker 4: And they're all coming out. You know.

739
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:34,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh, we all excited. They all excited. They know

740
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,000
it's gonna be a big event. But we know at

741
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,920
the end of the day, we got to still win,

742
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,160
you know what I'm saying. So we gotta make we

743
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,480
gotta make the night happen, you know, saying, so we

744
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,640
all just stay focused and just trying to.

745
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: Make this event the best, one of the best events

746
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,680
of this year.

747
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, as far as the event

748
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,319
aspect of it goes, uh, it's already seems like it's

749
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,880
a success in talking to people at top rank ever

750
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,960
since that you know this is going not just from today,

751
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:01,519
but I mean mean just a couple of weeks ago,

752
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,279
they were already saying that the tickets were basically sold

753
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:06,680
out that the town is really, uh, you know, geared

754
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,559
up for this event. How much do you realize that

755
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,079
that that there's been a pent up demand I guess

756
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,440
for uh, you know, either for the Davis Brothers to

757
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,319
perform at home or just for a big time boxing

758
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:20,160
event in the first place that you're able to bring

759
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,640
in this number of fans. It's not a world championship fight.

760
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,440
You're not fighting some huge, big name opponent that everybody

761
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,880
has been, dynasty or anything like that. So what is

762
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,599
your mentality as far as the reaction to your city

763
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,519
to this event?

764
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:34,079
Speaker 4: Now, you're right, man.

765
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,599
Speaker 5: My first appooninent was Nicholas Watchers, and they don't know

766
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,359
Nicholas Washes the same way they don't know Gusmos.

767
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. But one thing I did

768
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,440
wanted to know and remember.

769
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 5: Is that fight. I couldn't put in a great fight

770
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,359
with Nicholas Washers. I was gonna knock him out in

771
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,119
like four rounds. He's thirty eight years old, he's an

772
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:54,400
old man. But with Gustavo lm Most that's what they're

773
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,079
gonna actually, remember, They're gonna that fight, and you know

774
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,240
those they gonna that's gonna make them come to my

775
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,720
next one. That's gonna make them come to my very

776
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,920
my own, my next one after that.

777
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

778
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,559
Speaker 5: I need to sell myself at this point. I don't

779
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,320
need to give him something just something expected. I need

780
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,800
to get him something unexpected. And Gustavo is gonna bring

781
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,599
a fight to me, and I'm a fighter.

782
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring a fight to him.

783
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 5: Two fighters with that same mentality, it's gonna do nothing

784
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,360
but make a great fight.

785
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: Well, I he asked you a little bit about Lemo,

786
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,800
so he's no joke. I mean I've seen him fight before.

787
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,599
He's twenty nine and one, he has nineteen knockouts. His

788
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,119
only loss was fighting at one hundred and forty pounds

789
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,159
in his last fight when when he got lost a

790
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,039
decision to Richard Hitchins in April. That was a title

791
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,840
elimination fight. So now he's coming back to fight you

792
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,000
in the lightweight division. So what are your thoughts about him?

793
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:43,599
I know you said you're always gonna come to make

794
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,920
the fight, but what kind of things have you seen

795
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,400
in him that you feel like, you know you need

796
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,000
to take away from him to be successful.

797
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 4: Everything in Limos do I think better than him.

798
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 5: I don't want to sound cocky or nothing like that,

799
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,719
but I know boxing, and I know myself, you know,

800
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,719
And I never lied to y'all. I always, you know,

801
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,840
gave my predictions before the fight, and nine times out

802
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,840
of ten I was right, you know. And just with Gustavo,

803
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,199
anything that he does, I do better than him. If

804
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,000
you want to fight on the inside, you don't have

805
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,559
a better inside game. I mean, you think you punch hard, well, Hana,

806
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,599
I punch hard too. Let's see if you take my punches,

807
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,119
you know, Let's see how fast you are. Let's see

808
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:20,559
how good your jab is. Let's lets let's see how

809
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,400
you set your punches up. Let's see how good your

810
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,599
angles are. Like everything that he do, I do better

811
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:30,000
than him. So in terms of like just this fight

812
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,039
right here, people wanna say, oh, Gustavo is this, Gustavo

813
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:33,239
is that?

814
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: No, Keyshawn is this? Key Shawn is that? And Gustavo's

815
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,960
gonna have his first his first step up of his career.

816
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: You think, do you think you're more of a step

817
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,639
up than Richards and Hitchins, who's maybe a little bit

818
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,679
more advanced in terms of where he is in his

819
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,679
pro curer. Even though obviously you guys are both very

820
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:50,440
talented fighters.

821
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 5: I'm the best at one thirty five, period, and I'm

822
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,679
here to show the world I'm not. I'm not trying

823
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,800
to say I'm the best when I become world champions.

824
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,920
I'm not trying to say I'm the best when I

825
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,320
become the face of boxing. I'm saying I'm the best

826
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,920
right now and I'm going to continue to show that.

827
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: So with the aspect of this fight, the big part

828
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,639
of it being that you're fighting in Norfolk, I wonder

829
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,239
and I've covered plenty of fighters that have gone home.

830
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,559
Some embrace it and love it and can't get enough

831
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,719
of it. Other guys, the distractions just overcome them, and

832
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,280
it's never it's sometimes a bad night. How do you

833
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,519
go about avoiding the inevitable distractions and the pull on

834
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,599
your time and mentality of you know, being the focus

835
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,639
of everything at home? There's always kind of people coming

836
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,599
all over the place in terms of like tickets and interviews,

837
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,119
even more than normal that sort of thing.

838
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you a quick little story man, about

839
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,719
my love, my love, my trials and true relations that

840
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,199
I had before I even got on the Olympic team.

841
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 4: God put me to a great test.

842
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 5: He took me to the to the mental home, basically,

843
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,000
and I was just all live to talk about this,

844
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:57,800
but he took me to the mental home. And in

845
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,320
the mental home, I was, I was, I was talking

846
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,239
to God. I said, God, I know you, I know you.

847
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,360
I know you're not kicking me while I'm down, but

848
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
I know you're breaking me down right now before you

849
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000
build me up. And I know and I know you know.

850
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:11,639
I got the confidence. I know you know I got

851
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:13,800
the will, the ability to win. But you're just trying

852
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,800
to get my mental right in the in the mental

853
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,280
home I'm.

854
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: Thinking of.

855
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 5: I haven't been through I've don't been through that right there,

856
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,679
the mental health and stuff I done took the medication

857
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,679
every day, I done harm myself.

858
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 4: I've done been through all of that.

859
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 5: So in terms of distractions and people talking about tickets

860
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,440
and people talking.

861
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,079
Speaker 4: About interviews, that's nothing. That's nothing.

862
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 5: I already been through the worst in terms of being

863
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,719
mentally prepared for something.

864
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 4: God already put me to the worst.

865
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 5: So everything I'm going through right now is the reasons

866
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,199
why I am who I am, the reasons why.

867
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: That last fight.

868
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,559
Speaker 5: I had a straight face on my face the entire time.

869
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,039
That fight was the most rugged fight.

870
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 4: Of the night. It was rugged, it was dirty.

871
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,639
Speaker 5: It hit me below the belt. I'm still playing in

872
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:59,000
the ring. I'm still having fun. So God already put

873
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:00,880
me to the worst to get ready my to prepare

874
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,639
my mental for.

875
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:02,159
Speaker 4: What's to come.

876
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: You're talking about the Miguel Dueno fight, your last bout, yes, sir, okay.

877
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,519
In terms of Norfolk, I mean there hasn't been a

878
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,719
big boxing events there since. You got to go back

879
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,480
to like the you know, the late I guess the

880
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,360
mid eighties into the early nineties, when you know the legendary,

881
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:19,639
late great Hall of Famer Paranel Whitaker, who's from Norfolk,

882
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,239
one of the greatest fighters of all time, former champion

883
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,079
and multiple divisions undisputed lightweight champion, the same weight class

884
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:26,639
that I assumed that you would like to be an

885
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,400
undisputed champion in someday. He's the last guy that really

886
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,840
filled up the scope for boxing. I mean it's thirty

887
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000
years ago. Probably What does it mean to you to

888
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,079
follow in the footsteps of somebody that you said in

889
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,159
the announcement of this fight was your idol.

890
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,119
Speaker 4: No, it definitely was.

891
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,079
Speaker 2: You're smiling another way when I brought up Whittaker's name, Yeah,

892
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:45,880
it definitely.

893
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: Was thirty years ago because I got stories about pronell

894
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:50,679
Man then trained me before you know, Toby two of

895
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,280
my greatest attributes that I still used to this day.

896
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,119
When I was He told this when I was like

897
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:57,039
sixteen years old, he said.

898
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 4: These are two greatest attributes. Don't ever lose that, you know.

899
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,159
So I just kept that with me. But outside of you.

900
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:05,679
Speaker 3: Know, just him, what was the attributes? You gotta tell you.

901
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: What I'm not telling you.

902
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 5: I would tell you face to face, but I'm not

903
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:10,840
telling you up here.

904
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,039
Speaker 3: You know enough.

905
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,079
Speaker 4: But just selling out the scope like how he did

906
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,880
Man for our first dB three, first main event.

907
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 5: Man, it's a blessing. It's God like, this is written

908
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,360
when we was born. God already written out a plan

909
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,920
for us. Like, seriously, I cannot stress this enough. This

910
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,079
is what God wanted to happen. So it's our first

911
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,159
main event. Who expects to sell out anything for the

912
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:35,880
first made event.

913
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,679
Speaker 4: We could have took it to a theater, they probably

914
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:39,639
won't think were gonna sell out the theater. This is

915
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:42,440
an arena with ten thousand seats in it. We already

916
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,239
sold nine thousand seats. You know what I'm saying.

917
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:48,079
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a no doubt about it.

918
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think so for sure. Everybody thinks so.

919
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,559
Speaker 2: So when you talk about Whitaker, I mean, obviously you

920
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,679
got to know him after he was retired, but those

921
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,440
days of him fighting those fights in nor fucking bringing

922
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,199
in those crowds, and a lot of those fights were

923
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,920
on national televison. That was before you were born. I

924
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,800
remember that because I remember watching them. I'm a lot

925
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,079
older than you were. But how did you, uh, like,

926
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,000
have you gone back and watch those fights and like

927
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,199
and been a fan of Whitaker, not just because you

928
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,320
knew him, but just as a boxer in the same

929
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,239
way class that you hope to dominate also like the

930
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:15,719
way he did.

931
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely went back and and watched the fights.

932
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:21,039
Todd RNK sent me some fights of how he walked

933
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:24,719
out and just a lot of different things, so I

934
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,280
can get ideas from different things and how sweet peages

935
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:29,800
had to scope with the what the energy was like

936
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,719
in the scope, so.

937
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:32,519
Speaker 4: They can give me a perspective of how I'm gonna

938
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:32,760
have it.

939
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,599
Speaker 5: So I won't be walking into something like, Wow, I

940
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:36,239
didn't expect it, you know what I'm saying.

941
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 4: So definitely we got to watch some of.

942
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,559
Speaker 5: His fights and Todd Rank sent me some of his

943
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,239
fights and how he had to scope. So definitely inspired me.

944
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,079
And I'm like, damn, man, if I can do it

945
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:47,920
like that, then that would be great. But were trying

946
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,320
to go for better, you know what I'm saying, Always

947
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,440
trying to go for better. So we go see how

948
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,360
it turns out for sure.

949
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 2: So it was around this time last year you had

950
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,559
gotten the victory against the heir All Bright. It was

951
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,559
a competitive fight, but I see you know you know

952
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,679
what I mean, ask you about it became a no contest.

953
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:06,199
You had a tested positive for marijuana, which is not

954
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,840
looked at these days as a negativity from a lot

955
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,760
of people, but it is still against the rules of

956
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,360
most boxing commissions as far as I'm aware. UH, And

957
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,199
I remember when you came back from that, you spoke

958
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,920
to Uh. I think it was on one of the

959
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,679
ESPN shows about you know, you've given up smoking marijuana.

960
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,360
You feel like it's going to make you better. Since

961
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,239
that situation you did, your your suspension, you've came back

962
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,280
and you looked really good. You had a great performance

963
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,920
against Jose Pedraza, which was a step up opponent at

964
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,119
that time, a former two division world champ. You just

965
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:35,320
mentioned about how you you know, you got in there

966
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,519
and took care of Miguel Madwaene in a tough, rugged fight.

967
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,079
So I'm wondering, assuming you still are not smoking weed,

968
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,360
how much has that that decision that you made improved

969
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,800
you know, your life and your performance as a as

970
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,159
a as a professional athlete.

971
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,519
Speaker 4: For sure, Man, I gave it.

972
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 5: I gave it a guy man, And I'm not gonna

973
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,119
sit here and lotta and say I didn't, you know,

974
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:59,440
slip up and get back to it. But I'm clean,

975
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,920
for I'm still clean. God still working on me. And

976
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,760
like I said, I never lied to y'all. Still not

977
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960
a lot of y'all, you know, And I feel like,

978
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:12,199
you know, once I did once I once, I gave

979
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,280
it up and just kept moving forward with it and

980
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,320
just having hiccups in between, honestly.

981
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,119
Speaker 4: Just getting just getting getting, getting.

982
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 5: Back to praying, getting back to God, and he God

983
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,159
is the only person that can in addictions. Honestly, you

984
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,119
can't do it without him. So just keeping him close

985
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:33,159
to me honestly, in my career period. He's gonna take

986
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:37,440
me to the magnitudes that I never expected, honestly. And

987
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,880
since this camp, you know, I've been going to church

988
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,840
every Sunday. You know, I had my son within this camp,

989
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,320
and since he been born, he didn't miss a church

990
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,199
in Sunday. And I've just been really just wrapping my

991
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,639
life around God, honestly. And and I know you asked

992
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,360
about the weed, but it's bigger than we. You know

993
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,800
what I'm saying. It's about God.

994
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,159
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And since i've been since.

995
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 5: I've been wrapping my life around Him and just living

996
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,320
in the fire with him. He been expanding me. Man,

997
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:06,880
he may expanding me. He may expand my vocabulary to

998
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,039
spending my heart. E've been making me think more before

999
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:11,960
I react. And I'm just trying to, you know, just

1000
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,000
continue to be alongside him, just keep reaching out to him.

1001
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:18,039
So I can just preach my testimony about me going

1002
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:18,679
to the Mitsal home.

1003
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 4: I use my testimony about me with the marijuana.

1004
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 5: And stuff like that so people could get inspired and

1005
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,000
just come to him.

1006
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: And just like I did, I didn't realize that you

1007
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,760
had a child during the camp. How old is your

1008
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,320
son though.

1009
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 4: He's gonna be two months in November?

1010
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: First, Okay, so when the camp, when the when the

1011
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,719
fight's over, I guess then you can relax and spend

1012
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,440
some good time with him.

1013
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: I guess yeah, you feel me? Yeah for sure?

1014
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1015
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,519
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of post fight, if you win and assuming

1016
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:44,960
you do take care of your business, you're gonna be

1017
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,719
twelve and zero. I wonder what do you see in

1018
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,519
store for yourself for twenty twenty five? Is it?

1019
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 3: You know?

1020
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: I know you're in a hurry to get to the

1021
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,360
big time fights. So the title fights. You already say

1022
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,480
you're the best lightweight in the world. It's an excellent division.

1023
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,719
Do you think it's a title eliminator in the near

1024
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,760
few get? Can it be a world title shot? It

1025
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,360
may be a little tough getting the title fight just

1026
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,760
because of the guys that hold the belts at the

1027
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,079
present time. What is your sort of outlook on that

1028
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:09,880
you know down the road?

1029
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:14,079
Speaker 4: Well, I'm ranked number three and three sanctioned bodies.

1030
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,079
Speaker 5: That's you know, that's one step and then all the

1031
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:22,000
guy Branchick that's from Ukraine. We DM, we DM all

1032
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,480
the time and we talk about how it could make

1033
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:25,000
the fight.

1034
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,039
Speaker 4: Happen, you know, next year.

1035
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:29,039
Speaker 5: You know, so I'm definitely not far away from becoming

1036
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:30,760
the world champion. Like at the end of the day,

1037
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,639
just think about the landscape in one thirty five division.

1038
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 4: Who else deserve a shot or a title?

1039
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying you don't deserve a shot.

1040
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,000
I'm just thinking.

1041
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that neither.

1042
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,000
I'm just I'm just saying, like, just think about it, like,

1043
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,920
I'm next in line for this for a shot with WBC.

1044
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:52,039
Well that's your core, WBO, IBF or w A. Like,

1045
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,599
I'm next in line, man, people want to see me fight.

1046
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,639
I sell I sell an Arenas. You know what I'm saying. Like,

1047
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,599
I'm next in line. You know what I'm saying, So

1048
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,199
expect me to become a world champion twins five for sure.

1049
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: Well you mentioned Brentchick. That was the guy that sort

1050
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,800
of seemedless stick out like the sore thumb. I mean,

1051
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,960
you're not fighting Shakurt obviously, he's your you know, you

1052
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
guys are close.

1053
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,599
Speaker 3: He's with a different promoter now.

1054
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,559
Speaker 2: Anyway, Barentschak is there, Loman Chenko a lot of people

1055
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,519
think he may retire. If he does that, dolt would

1056
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:18,960
become vicant. I haven't looked to see your exact position

1057
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,679
in the ID of rankings, but I guess that might

1058
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,159
be a possibility. You're third, okay, and uh and Tank Davis,

1059
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:26,519
I mean, he's off doing his thing. Don't think he's

1060
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:29,239
looking no, because he's looking for the bigger fights. He

1061
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,519
does what he wants to do in terms of his

1062
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,599
pay per views. But you do feel like though the

1063
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:34,360
world time, I mean, you can't, you can't.

1064
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 5: Really put that narrative out there like that. We all

1065
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,119
respect Tank and what he did was the sport. He

1066
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:39,480
brought a lot more eyes to the sport.

1067
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: But I'm not I'm not doing this.

1068
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: It's not scrict fights.

1069
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 5: It's like it's like it's like, I don't know. I know,

1070
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,079
he tried to fight limy Chenko, you know what I'm saying.

1071
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,480
He tried to fight lemon Chenko and lemon Chenko saying no,

1072
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,559
you know what I'm saying. But it's still like you said,

1073
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,320
is stacked man and him going to fight a one

1074
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,239
to thirty pounder that he's been broke, that he grew

1075
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,400
up with, that we just see spar and all.

1076
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: That extra shit.

1077
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 4: It was just like, okay, doing what you want to

1078
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,480
do the biggest fights.

1079
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: My comment about Gervanta Davis was not negative. It was

1080
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,320
a matter of the fact that he is in a

1081
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,199
position where he's able. Good for him to to to

1082
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,119
not have to fight you and still be able to

1083
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:17,679
put on big events and still be able to make

1084
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,239
a huge amount of money. Sure, I was trying to

1085
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,079
figure out where where Kishan Davis is going to get

1086
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:26,880
that title opportunity from him or no, no from you

1087
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,559
mentioned like Brent Chick and some of the other guys.

1088
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 5: Oh, just period twenty five for sure. I think twenty

1089
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,440
twenty five for sure, Like I'm getting the belt guarant

1090
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,840
I would say guarantee because.

1091
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: I've never won a lot of y'all shit nine times.

1092
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:41,880
Become world champion next.

1093
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: Year, well it'll be uh, it'll be definitely fun and

1094
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,119
interesting to watch. First, obviously, you got to take care

1095
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:50,280
of your business with Gustavo Lemos on the upcoming fighting

1096
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,639
on November eighth. I wish you the best of look

1097
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:54,559
in that fight, Kishan. I really appreciate your time to

1098
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:55,079
do this today.

1099
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, thank you. Matt.

1100
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: Gonna be a big night on Friday for him lining

1101
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:03,119
Dan Rayfield. What do you have in summation there after

1102
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,840
talking with Keishawn Davis about this big week coming up.

1103
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,559
Speaker 3: I mean it's a big deal.

1104
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,679
Speaker 2: I mean Norfolk, as we talked about in the interview,

1105
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,800
hasn't been a hot bit if any if any kind

1106
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,920
for boxing since the heyday of his idol Paranel Whittaker.

1107
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:17,760
The Scope, which is the arena where Paranel Whitaker fought

1108
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,760
many of those fights, is buying, I guess according to

1109
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,239
the top rank it's a virtual sellout. Well before the fight,

1110
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,360
they may have a couple of scattered tickets, but on

1111
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:28,159
by fight night it'll be clean. And to take a

1112
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,599
fighter home in a fight it's not a title fight

1113
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,119
against an opponent that I guarantee, and nobody Norfolk ever

1114
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,519
heard of in Gustavo Lemos, even though he's been you know,

1115
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,119
you know, known to the diehards and the junkies.

1116
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:39,559
Speaker 3: That's a pretty big deal.

1117
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: And also it's a it's a big deal for the

1118
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,920
Davis family in the community because it's not just Kishan

1119
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,920
that's on the card, as we spoke about, is his

1120
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,800
older brother Kelvin, who's a welterweight junior welterweight up and comer.

1121
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,280
He's on the card. Their younger brother, Keon is turning

1122
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,159
professional who is a top amateur. He he's in the

1123
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,639
welterweight division making his pro debut. So it's a it's

1124
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,079
a big deal. But the spot lights mainly on Kishan

1125
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:03,639
and I thought he was really well spoken when he

1126
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,360
spoke last. You know, it's about the nerves and about

1127
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,800
the the the spotlight and and the tug on his

1128
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,840
time and and the uh distractions if you will. And

1129
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,000
he talked about his mental health situation, all the stuff

1130
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,639
he's gone through in his career, in his life.

1131
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,119
Speaker 3: Uh.

1132
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:18,639
Speaker 2: And he's like, man, I already done all that. This

1133
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,519
is nothing. This will walk in the park. So I'm

1134
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,519
really interested to see how he looks in this fight

1135
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:25,360
and if he performs. And the thing about is if

1136
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,760
he puts on another a good performance what he's done

1137
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,880
really really well in his previous two fights, I think

1138
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,719
that we'll see more hometown Norfolk, Virginia fights. It's a yeah,

1139
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,960
it's a it's a it's a market that seems like,

1140
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,159
based on the sellout nature of this event, has been

1141
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,800
really in the in the mood for for something a

1142
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,039
hometown to cheer about. They don't have the NFL, they

1143
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:49,840
don't have you know, big time professional sports. Obviously he've

1144
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,679
got good collegiate sports end and around the region. But

1145
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,480
I think it's pretty cool that, uh, you know, decades

1146
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:57,880
after a paranol whitaker his idol, he gets to come

1147
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,760
home and shine and he's got as bright a future

1148
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,480
as the young fighter in boxing right now.

1149
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: And that's high praise from one day in Rayfield there

1150
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,880
to be saying that.

1151
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: So again that is my past past prospect of the

1152
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,199
year has done nothing to not show he didn't deserve it.

1153
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,239
He's now on the rise, and as I mentioned when

1154
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,800
we were talking about the more Taias situation, with his

1155
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,400
victory Kishan Davis, if he defeats Gustavo Limos, it's not

1156
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,079
an official eliminator, but because of where where Kishan is

1157
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,880
in the ratings of the WBO, there's a very good

1158
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,719
chance that he may wind up fighting Dennis Brenchik, whose

1159
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,639
fight that was supposed to be in December on the

1160
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:35,199
Tyson Fury Bostig rematch undercard will not happen because of

1161
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,119
the you know, for different reasons, that fight is out

1162
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,960
because the guy that he was supposed to fight got beat.

1163
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: All right, so we'll see how he looks later this week.

1164
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,519
We'll talk a little more about it in the preview

1165
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:48,480
pod that'll be out later in the week. With there

1166
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,480
you heard from Keishawn himself. Couple of news items a

1167
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:57,039
Sunday announcement by Queensberry and Desogne. They are touting in Yes.

1168
00:49:57,039 --> 00:49:59,039
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that was Mark Chamberlain, Turkey

1169
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:01,800
al sheik'savorite fighter who was supposed to fight and they

1170
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,000
got beaten on the recent Riot season card. That's why

1171
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:06,960
Branchik's next fight was up in the air.

1172
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: All right, So Branchick could be a key shot opponent

1173
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,239
though coming up all right now. Queensberry Dezone Sunday announcement.

1174
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,199
I found this a bit surprising because Matchroom is already

1175
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:20,199
affiliated over in the UK and Europe, and now Queensberry

1176
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,760
has left their agreements with what is it now TNT

1177
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,519
Sports over there and has now done a mega deal

1178
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,679
for a bunch of fight cards on Dizonne and I

1179
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:33,360
guess eventually disowned pay per view. What are your thoughts

1180
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,280
about it all being consolidated now in the dezone streaming

1181
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,199
service well.

1182
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,679
Speaker 2: Number one, the deal with TNT Sports does not expire

1183
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,719
until the spring. Their deal with the Zone does not

1184
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,119
begin until April first, so there's a few months. I

1185
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:48,000
can only assume they announced it today because the first

1186
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,800
of the month just passed. Maybe that was the close

1187
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,000
of their negotiation period or something the other. It's a

1188
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,840
little unusual to announcing that far ahead of time, but

1189
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,679
that's what's happening. And the fact that they're going where

1190
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,199
matrim is does not surprise me, because Queensberry has been

1191
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,360
working stremely closely with the Riant season folks. For example,

1192
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,559
they've done a whole bunch of fights now with with

1193
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:09,599
Matchroom Boxing and his own wants to dominate the sports landscape,

1194
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,480
and so they're making these deals with the best promoters

1195
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,400
in the sport. They've got Golden Boy in Matchroom in

1196
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,840
the Fold and now they're doing a deal with h

1197
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,239
Or They've done a deal with Queensberry. And by the way,

1198
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,480
this does not come as a surprise to me. This

1199
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:24,840
has been the rumor for months. It wasn't a matter

1200
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,519
to me anyway if it was gonna happen. It was

1201
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,280
simply a matter of when it was gonna happen. I

1202
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,840
kind of in my mind, I thought it's getting close.

1203
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,119
And the reason I say it is because I felt

1204
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,760
like that big binge of re signings that the Queensberry

1205
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,679
folks announced last week where they resigned Nick Ball and

1206
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Shiraz and you know, six six of their fighters in total.

1207
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,280
You don't do that if you'ren't really sure what's going

1208
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,199
on with your future. And everybody knew in the business

1209
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,920
that the TNT deal is coming up for either renewal

1210
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,400
or expiration. But the scuttle butt, if you will, has

1211
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,800
been all along they're gonna wind up on his own.

1212
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,519
So in my mind, when I saw that announcement of

1213
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:02,480
all those signings, I felt like, Okay, this is probably

1214
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:04,840
getting close. I didn't expect it on a random Sunday.

1215
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,159
I you know, teacher, I've been doing boxing coverage for

1216
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,280
like twenty five years almost. I could probably count with

1217
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,440
you on one hand the number of UH press releases

1218
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,199
and announcements that have happened on a Sunday not related

1219
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,800
to a boxing match that took place on the Saturday night, right,

1220
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,400
So that was a little bit unusual in terms of

1221
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,280
the timing, but in terms of Queensberry and his own

1222
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,159
look in the zones. From their point of view, you

1223
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,599
take a look at the land Okay, if you take

1224
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,079
a look at the world landscape of boxing, the biggest

1225
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:38,800
providers with the with the greatest depth of talent, in

1226
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,000
no particular order, besides there in the whole world, Queensberry, Mattroom,

1227
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,440
Golden Boy, PBC, and Top Break. Those are the five

1228
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,719
behemoths right now. And there's plenty of other good promoters

1229
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,519
you want to talk about teaking in Japan, and there's

1230
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,639
other American promoters and other European promoters, Boxer and this

1231
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,039
and that. I'm not knocking anybody. I'm saying those are

1232
00:52:58,039 --> 00:52:59,960
the big five in my mind in terms of overall

1233
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,159
talent pool. Now j Zone has three of the five

1234
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,239
locked up. They've got exclusive deals with Golden Boy, Mattroom

1235
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,199
and Queensberry, so that's a big deal that gives them

1236
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,519
another I already got comments when I was looking on

1237
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,199
my social media and on the when I wrote a

1238
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:20,679
story on my Fight Freaks Unite substack commentary basically people saying,

1239
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,960
you know what, with them being now part of the

1240
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:26,000
Zone in their mind, Okay, now, maybe that that's that

1241
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:28,559
yearly subscription price is now maybe a little more worth

1242
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,480
it because you went.

1243
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: There, but get ready because you know what the other

1244
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,280
thing probably is, get ready for a rate increase.

1245
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,679
Speaker 3: Well, yes, but.

1246
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:42,599
Speaker 2: The point is, at least right off the bat, I mean,

1247
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,599
it's a positive thing for in the in the minds

1248
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:46,360
of a lot of people. Yeah, and of course they're

1249
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:47,960
gonna wind up doing some pay per views for sure,

1250
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,519
but in terms of they're gonna do their their normal

1251
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,840
non pay review shows the same way Golden Boy does,

1252
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,800
the same way Mattroom does, and hopefully it will lead

1253
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,920
to fights between U the promoters, fighters the way that

1254
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,360
we've seen the five on five and you know, and

1255
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,519
even some other events that have taken place between the promoters.

1256
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:08,119
So now that said, I'm not necessarily a huge fan

1257
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,920
of it because of the the perspective I have is

1258
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,440
I don't want to see every single big promoter on

1259
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,159
one platform. It's nothing against the Zone, per se. I

1260
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,639
would say the same thing if this was ESPN making

1261
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,360
deals with everybody, or if it was HBO or Showtime

1262
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,760
or whoever or Fier or whatever, Right, pick your platform.

1263
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:29,000
I just don't feel like having one platform in total

1264
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,480
control is good for the sport. It's like if the

1265
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,320
NFL was only on Fox, or only on CBS, or

1266
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,079
only on ESPN.

1267
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,679
Speaker 1: Or clearly clearly we know enough about the business, and

1268
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,079
I've been in the media business for thirty five years,

1269
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:44,320
at the national level for about twenty years. This is

1270
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,639
an attempt to basically say to fight fans, you're gonna

1271
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:52,480
have a card virtually every weekend from either Golden Boy,

1272
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:58,159
Matchroom or Queensberry. Now, in this instance, not necessarily four

1273
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:02,039
weeks out of every month, but three or four weeks,

1274
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:04,039
three weeks most of the time, four weeks some of

1275
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:05,400
the time, you're gonna have a fight card.

1276
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 2: I dare say, you guys to me, you're gonna probably

1277
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,480
have it every week. And I say that because besides

1278
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:13,400
the big three in Mattroom, Golden Boy, and Queensberry, you

1279
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,960
know they do have other smaller level shows.

1280
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: They'll do shows shows with Queensbury is easily gonna have

1281
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,599
a dozen fight cards, right, maybe even fifteen or twenty

1282
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:27,360
of them. Some of them might be pay per view

1283
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,280
to add to Mattroom, to add to Golden Boy. So

1284
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,119
you're right, I mean, I just get ready for the

1285
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:33,880
other shoot.

1286
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: To drop, price to go up.

1287
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: And again they've done. They did they pick up shows

1288
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,800
with Lou Debella, they picked up shows with Soleted Promotions.

1289
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,599
I watched some of the show that was. The other

1290
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:48,719
night they did a show with UH with Jimmy Birchfield

1291
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,280
and Box Lab, which was the return of Jamine Ortiz,

1292
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,039
who by the way, scored a fourth round knockout victory

1293
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,679
in his return after the t Them Lopez title fight

1294
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,719
loss at one hundred and forty pounds. So they they

1295
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,119
do those types of shows too, But Queensberry going along

1296
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:06,559
now with Mattroom and Golden Boy gives them the elite

1297
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:09,639
level on a regular basis. And here's your thing about it,

1298
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:14,760
and and Warren and Queensberry are primarily looked at it

1299
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,000
as a British promoter obviously, because that's where they do

1300
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:19,159
most of their business, you know. In addition to whatever's

1301
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:21,599
been going on with the Saudi's. However, if you take

1302
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,280
a look at what's been happening with with with Queensberry,

1303
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,679
they've been signing now with smattering of fighters that are

1304
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,719
not British, some American youngers. The younger fighters they signed,

1305
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,000
for example, Brandon Lee, they signed a Russian heavyweight that's

1306
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,559
with the manager Keith Connolly and and I've talked to

1307
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:41,719
George Warren and Frank Larren and they are planning at

1308
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,760
some point to come and do fights in the United States,

1309
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,000
for example, and those would be on on the own

1310
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:48,639
as well. So they're looking to branch out. They obviously

1311
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:50,679
they're based the same way with Mattriom is going to

1312
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,280
be in Britain, the same way Golden Boy. They're going

1313
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,960
to do a show later in November and Saudi Arabia.

1314
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,800
But their base is the United States. But they're gonna

1315
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,679
branch out Queensberry and they're going to do fights here

1316
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:03,000
in the United States, and that part of this deal

1317
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:03,960
is a good thing in my mind.

1318
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: All right, one more news item before the nostalgia, and

1319
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,360
that is a new president of the WBO. That is

1320
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,760
Gustavo Olivieri, right if I have that correct, who is

1321
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,360
now replacing Paco valcrsol, who had been there. I didn't

1322
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,000
realize had been there thirty years.

1323
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so give.

1324
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:25,519
Speaker 1: Me a little more on this. They made that decision

1325
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:26,400
late this past week.

1326
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,079
Speaker 2: Well, Paco has been contemplating her retirement, you know, as

1327
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:33,320
he mentioned in his comments that he's seventy six in

1328
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,559
good health, I guess, but doesn't want to be a

1329
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,840
boxing organization president for the rest of his life. Wants

1330
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,000
to spend time with the grandkids and with his family

1331
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:41,679
and do that type of stuff. He's earned that right,

1332
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,440
and honestly, not a huge surprise to me. I had

1333
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,079
known for a while from private conversation with Paco had

1334
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,480
told me that he was going to be retiring into convention,

1335
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:56,679
and it didn't surprise me that Gustavo was the one

1336
00:57:56,719 --> 00:57:59,519
that was elected to take his place. Gustavo has been

1337
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:02,840
the w bo's in house legal counsel for the past

1338
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,960
eight years. He's been at Paco's side for show after

1339
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,039
show after show for the better part of the past

1340
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,159
eight years. I've known Paco and I've known Gustavo. I've

1341
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:14,280
known Paco for my whole career. Gustavo I've known pretty

1342
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,960
much since he started with the WBO. He's a knowledgeable person,

1343
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,639
a hard worker, a good dude. I talked to him

1344
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:23,079
about different related things on the wb on a regular basis.

1345
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,280
I find him honest and hard working, and those are

1346
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,400
all good attributes. I think he has respect from the

1347
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,159
different promoters and the managers and the boxers and media

1348
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:34,880
members that deal with him, so he's able to you know,

1349
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,519
it's being a sanction body president. It's not for the

1350
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:39,079
faint of heart, as I think you may well know

1351
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,719
what the criticism that comes along with it, as well

1352
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,360
as the tugging that you get from every quarter, whether

1353
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,000
it's media or the fighters or their managers or the

1354
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,880
promoters that it's it's an unenviable task at times. But

1355
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,400
I feel like he's done a good job and he's

1356
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,519
got I think anyway, this is my perception. I think

1357
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:57,320
spend some time with him and talked to him many times.

1358
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,760
The disposition to handle things politically, to keep calm and

1359
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,639
to navigate some rough waters at times. And part of

1360
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,320
that is to make sure you have knowledge which he does,

1361
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:11,159
have respect from the people you deal with, which I

1362
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:15,039
think he does, and uh and and understand the rules

1363
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,639
of the road, which he's learned very well from somebody

1364
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:20,239
like Paco var carsel Over the last you know, nearly

1365
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,159
a decade. So I certainly wish Paco the best in

1366
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,519
his retirement. I've always liked Paco. He's always been a

1367
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:27,559
straight shooter in my book. You know, we don't agree

1368
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:30,199
in everything, like with any sanction body present. We've had

1369
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:33,400
some back and forth, if you will, but but much

1370
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,880
respect him. And I think Gustavo, who's, you know, a

1371
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,119
lot younger than Paco, He's forty years old, he's ready

1372
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,679
to dive into this thing and give it everything. He

1373
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:44,000
made the point in his comments, look, I I lost

1374
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,639
a girlfriend because of my obligations and my my, uh

1375
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:49,519
my loyalty to the WBO, because he felt it was

1376
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:52,280
more important to do what he was doing with the

1377
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,960
boxing organization then to you know, what his girlfriend wanted

1378
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,360
from him. So you know, he's got the he's got

1379
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,960
the uh the the focus, if you will, on doing

1380
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,840
that job. And you know, the WBO when it started,

1381
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,079
we've talked about it was a fucking joke. Nobody took

1382
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:09,880
it seriously. When Paco became the president, I think he

1383
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,280
was the third president ever in the organization. If it

1384
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,880
was under his watch that it went from being a

1385
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,480
joke that nobody took seriously to really becoming legitimately one

1386
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,519
of the other organizations you had to pay attention to

1387
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,599
in terms of the fighters that they dealt with, the

1388
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:27,119
way they dealt with the promoters, the champions that wanted

1389
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:30,400
their titles, et cetera. And in my mind, they have

1390
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:33,880
even they're at least on par with you know, and

1391
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,679
some people will tell you they've gone ahead of somebody

1392
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,280
like the WBA, you know, because of all the craziness

1393
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,360
with their extraneous titles. The WBO has my respect because

1394
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,800
they're extremely judicious when they use interim titles. I think

1395
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,199
that Gustavo will stick to that. They do use them.

1396
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:51,000
I don't love it, but it's very particular and when

1397
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,000
a guy or gal has a WBO interim title, it's

1398
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,559
usually very short term. So that's a good thing, as

1399
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:59,679
it should be, so they stick to that. They do

1400
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:04,360
fill their rules well relatively speaking. I can't say everything

1401
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,079
has always been perfect in my book, but again, the

1402
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:10,480
in the in the ecosystem of boxing, I think they

1403
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,840
happen to do a pretty good job.

1404
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: All right. So there's the news, some nostalgia, and then

1405
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,159
we are done here coming off the weekend, so twenty

1406
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:22,360
three years ago tonight as we do this November three,

1407
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,599
Sunday and the Monday pasta Zoo, the father of Jim Zuo,

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01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:29,480
the Hall of Famer. You've you've talked about this knockout

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01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:33,000
before and it was a quick knockout of zab Judah

1410
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:37,400
where Judah's legs turned to jelly in this in this fight,

1411
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:41,239
So it made Costa Zoo the undisputed junior welterweight champion.

1412
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:44,079
Reminisce a little bit about this win again.

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01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,559
Speaker 2: Well, this was a huge win. I mean, when you

1414
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,280
take a look at Costazou's career, he is in the

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01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,840
International Boxing Hall of Fame and this is I think

1416
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:56,000
it's it's clear to me anyway, this is the defining

1417
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:58,039
win of his career. I mean Judah at that time,

1418
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,519
this was an even money kind of a fight. This

1419
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:02,239
was for all the marbles. Again, this was at a

1420
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,159
time when yes, the four belts existed, but nobody considered

1421
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,559
it necessary to also have the w BO title in

1422
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:12,159
addition to the others to be called undisputed.

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01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:12,639
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: So they were fighting for the w b A, the

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01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:17,320
WBC and the i B Fuh. Showtime has spent a

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01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,360
lot of time and money, uh facilitating this fight, had

1427
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,840
given guys, had given both guys, you know, various fights

1428
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,400
that try to maneuver towards this point where they would

1429
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,320
finally fight for the undisputed title. Both of them were

1430
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,760
under contract to Showtime and it was a really big deal,

1431
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:35,800
I think, Uh, you know, Judah was looked at as

1432
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,320
the as the super fast fighter. H a heavy duty puncher,

1433
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,320
was sharp punching, well known to the American audience, had

1434
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,480
been on you know, had come up on on the

1435
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:47,400
USA Network as a prospect and had fought a lot

1436
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,719
of big fights. He'd been on HBO, He'd been on Showtime.

1437
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:52,639
I mean, it was like a really big freaking deal.

1438
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:55,320
And uh, they had fought on double headers together, him

1439
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,519
and him and Costa Zoo. Costa had unified two of

1440
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:01,480
the belts with a with a a good victory against

1441
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,119
Charmday Mitchell and then just left those two guys. Costa

1442
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,679
had the one loss at that time going into the fight.

1443
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,440
You know, back when he lost his title for the

1444
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,480
first time, he'd been stopped by Vince Phillips in a

1445
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:15,000
tremendous upset on HBO, but had actually scored big wins

1446
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:18,079
after that and in zab Judah, you know, he was

1447
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,280
a lot of people, you know, my good Pald Max

1448
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,239
Kellerman looked at him as like a future pound for

1449
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,400
pound kind of guy. That was a type of hype

1450
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,840
he had. He had been a good amateur and he

1451
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,719
had shown it in the professional ranks, and when they

1452
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:33,920
finally met man, this was a big freaking deal. And

1453
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,920
also he was undefeated. He was twenty seven and zero

1454
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,360
and he had not beaten like huge names, but he

1455
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,320
had done pretty well for himself. And so it was

1456
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,519
kind of like a tossup, who do you like? First round,

1457
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:48,159
Judah dominated, I mean, clear, clear's day, You're like, okay,

1458
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,239
Judea's gonna wipe this dude out. And Costa was a

1459
01:03:50,239 --> 01:03:53,000
tough dude. But in the second round, look out, he

1460
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:55,440
got clocked. Man. And when I say clock, he got clocked.

1461
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:58,480
You know, did that gumby dance? I mean, if social

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01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:02,000
media existed when this fight happened in two thousand and one,

1463
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,559
there'd be you know, gumbaye dance memes of zab Judah

1464
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:09,360
on every platform you could think of on on social

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:10,039
media without cause.

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01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: But the fans can go YouTube it up.

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01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,599
Speaker 3: Oh my, as we like to.

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Speaker 1: Say, but he staggered, and as I as I visualized

1469
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:18,280
it in my eye, he got up and he actually

1470
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,000
ran into the referee, staggering and staggered some more because

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01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:22,920
he didn't have legs.

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01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: Well, what he did was he stood up and then

1473
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,000
he fell down. He got hit with the right hand,

1474
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,559
a big overhand right right on the button on the chin,

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,800
and his legs were just gone, and Jane Nady was

1476
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,360
the referee, and he fell down. He got up, he

1477
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,400
started do the shimmy, and he fell down again, and

1478
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:40,599
Nady waved off the fight. Now he could have maybe

1479
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,199
you know, counted him and seeing what happened, but I

1480
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:47,480
didn't at the time watching it live. I was working

1481
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:49,280
at USA today. I didn't go to fight. I remember

1482
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,679
why I didn't go to the fight, But uh, I

1483
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:53,679
didn't really think at that moment when he stopped at

1484
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:56,000
that it was like a bad stoppage. Necessarily, I was like,

1485
01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:58,079
I'm always if the guy as long as the guy's

1486
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:00,760
are like dying on them ring that can you've got

1487
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,880
a few seconds to play with to assess the guy.

1488
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:04,719
I think he maybe could have done that, but I

1489
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:06,519
don't think it was going to change how badly his

1490
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,039
equilibrium was off.

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01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:09,599
Speaker 3: And they stopped the fight.

1492
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: And then the reason why this fight became even more

1493
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:16,000
notorious or famous or whatever other you know. Costa wins

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01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:19,199
the fight becomes the undisputed champion, a huge, dramatic, important,

1495
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:22,119
significant victory for any fighter. And by the way, there

1496
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:25,199
hadn't been an undisputed champion in the junior welterweight division

1497
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:30,079
for decades before this fight. Judah put his hands on

1498
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:33,079
the referee. He stuck his glove under his chin, threatened

1499
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:35,480
them with the ring stool. It was a whole, big,

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01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,679
big thing. Ultimately he got suspended and fined by the

1501
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,079
Nevada Commission for doing that, for playing, you know, for

1502
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:42,960
putting his hands on the official. It was just not

1503
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,000
a good thing. That was a huge story. I remember

1504
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:45,719
writing about that.

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01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:46,079
Speaker 4: It was.

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01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: It was a big deal. But for Costa Zoo it

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01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,000
was a big deal because he had scored a humongous

1508
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:55,639
victory and after that he went on. You know again

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01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:57,920
he had been a champion prior to that. He had

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01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,079
unified the titles with the victory by stoppage against Charlie

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01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:04,280
in Mitchell yet knocked out stop made quit. However, you

1512
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,320
want to look at it, uh Julio Caesar Chavs and

1513
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,920
who was faded. But he was a mandatory fight. It

1514
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,239
was the final world titled bout of Julio Caesar Chaves

1515
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,320
his legendary career. But after he defeated Judah, then he

1516
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,719
started he beat uh, you know, he went had a

1517
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:24,199
massive homecoming fight in Australia against James Lea in a

1518
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,679
in a highly public sized big time rematch with Charmi Mitchell.

1519
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,239
He won again by an easier knockout than he did

1520
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:33,599
in the first fight. And then he went to England.

1521
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:35,360
Of course, everybody knows what happened there. He got stopped

1522
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,159
by Ricky Atten and uh when Ricky became the champ,

1523
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:41,599
although by that time typical uh Zoo no longer had

1524
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:44,440
all of the belts because of the fact that that

1525
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:47,079
mandatories pulled at him in different you know, there was

1526
01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:50,320
vacating or stripping or whatever. But this was a huge

1527
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,000
deal and it was a it was a big time

1528
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:54,639
win for Kasa zu H. And again back in those

1529
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:57,559
days TJ alive on Showtime, not this would have this

1530
01:06:57,599 --> 01:06:59,119
would one hundred percent have been a pay per view

1531
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:00,280
if it wasn't today's day age.

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: Yep, different time though, even in two thousand and one,

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01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,599
and then you go back thirty years ago and we

1534
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:09,440
did talk a lot about this last weekend with the

1535
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,039
anniversary of the Rumble in the Jungle, because you talked

1536
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:16,639
about the bookends that virtually thirty years lay almost to

1537
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:18,679
the day or excuse me. Twenty years later, almost to

1538
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:24,159
the day, thirty years ago now November five, which is

1539
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:29,800
Tuesday of nineteen ninety four, George Foreman became the undisputed

1540
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,440
heavyweight champion. Again. It happened, as Jim Lampley screamed, it happened,

1541
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:35,599
and it's how that it happened. And you and I

1542
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:38,000
have talked about this before. There's a couple of interesting

1543
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:42,559
aspects to it, including Foreman being in the same trunks

1544
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:44,320
as the Rumble of the Jungle twenty years later.

1545
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,719
Speaker 2: Well, I have to correct if he did. Unfortunately, he

1546
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,280
did not become undisputed from the standpoint of the belts.

1547
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,679
He became the lineal got the recognized the IBF. But

1548
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,119
because boxing is stupid, sometimes things happen and all the

1549
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,880
belts are not at stake because Michael Moore did not

1550
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:01,760
was not able to keep all the belts after his

1551
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:08,239
victory against Evander Holyfield. Nonetheless, this was as monumental a

1552
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,440
victory in boxing as there has ever been in the

1553
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,480
history of the sport. So you mentioned a couple of

1554
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:15,239
weeks ago whenever it was we talked about the rumbull

1555
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:16,920
in the Jungle. I guess this last week the Rumbo

1556
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,000
was the University of the Rumble in the Jungle, where

1557
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:22,760
George is on the losing end of what I believe

1558
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,720
the best known fight in the history of boxing. He

1559
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,119
loses that fight and loses the heavyweight title. Twenty years later,

1560
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,560
and a lot happened because George retired for ten of

1561
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,640
those years. By the way, you know, he had fought

1562
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,399
a few more times after the Rumble in the Jungle,

1563
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,600
but he eventually retired. He was preaching down in Texas,

1564
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,039
as you know, in his church and needed money for

1565
01:08:44,119 --> 01:08:46,000
the church and for his life, and decided to make

1566
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:48,920
a comeback. People thought it was an absolute joke. He

1567
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,520
fought on against a whole string of complete stiffer ruse.

1568
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,199
He fought on some ESPN cards, He fought on USA,

1569
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,640
you know, Tuesday night fights in the middle of nowhere

1570
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,039
against guys that you never heard of, and slowly, but surely,

1571
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,479
you know, step up a little bit, step up a

1572
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,720
little bit. Finally they put him in the ring with

1573
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,199
Jerry Cooney, who was faded at that time but still

1574
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:10,880
a well known name, a guy that everybody knew could punch,

1575
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,159
and he walked through him in a couple of rounds

1576
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,880
in one of the most devastating knockout roy drive by uppercut.

1577
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,000
That knocked in uppercut, right, I mean, and then after

1578
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:22,319
that people are like taking him a little bit more seriously.

1579
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,720
Fought a few more stiffs and then he really put

1580
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,279
on a huge performance. It didn't win, but he got

1581
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,119
the shot against Evander Holyfield, who at the time was

1582
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,039
the champ of the world. Humongous fight. This is postbuster

1583
01:09:34,119 --> 01:09:38,079
Douglas and they put on a sensational fight. The first

1584
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:41,520
ever HBO pay per view fight back then was called TVKO.

1585
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,600
So the dawning of a new age if you all

1586
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,600
have pay per view boxing. Tremendous battle, very underrated fight,

1587
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,840
even though he lost. Awesome fight, got the opportunity with

1588
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,960
Tommy Morrison for the vacant w BO time at the

1589
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,159
time when nobody considered the BO to be anything. But

1590
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,920
he lost that fight, and at that point you're like, okay, now, George,

1591
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,439
he had a great run. He gave a great effort

1592
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,319
against the Vander. You know, I had come back and

1593
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:03,600
had beaten a couple of other two three guys in between,

1594
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,199
lost Tommy Morrison and he had to go beg Seth Abraham,

1595
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:10,239
who was then the president of HBO Sports to give

1596
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:13,199
him the opportunity to remember, George was a commentary person

1597
01:10:13,279 --> 01:10:17,279
on the HBO broadcast that Abraham from the broadcasting perspective

1598
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:22,239
was his boss, and he knew that if he blessed

1599
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:24,960
the fight that it could get made because Michael Moore

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01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:28,239
had been on HBO. He fought e Vander Holyfield on

1601
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,479
TVKO you know h which became HBO pay per view,

1602
01:10:32,039 --> 01:10:36,119
and after a pretty long layoff more than a year,

1603
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:38,640
he had fought Tommy Morrison and lost in June of

1604
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:43,279
ninety three. Brought the team at HBO, including Loud Debella,

1605
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,520
including Seth Abraham. They blessed this fight to happen on

1606
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,800
November fifth, nineteen ninety four, and the MGM Grand Gardnerina

1607
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,079
was basically sold out. And it wasn't because Michael Moore

1608
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,720
was making his first defense as the heavyweight champ of

1609
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,720
the world. It was because the public was so fascinated

1610
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,359
and interested to see a big George at that age.

1611
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,680
What was he forty three years old? I guess forty

1612
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,439
two years old. If he could come back and regain

1613
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,000
the heavyweight title, I mean, nobody really gave him much

1614
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,439
of a chance at all. I mean people thought it

1615
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,119
was an absolute farce. He was actually forty five years

1616
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:20,039
old now that I think about it, and he gets

1617
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:22,399
in the ring and it's as bad as everybody thought

1618
01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:25,680
it might be. He was slow, he couldn't pull the trigger.

1619
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,680
He couldn't find you know, he couldn't hit the fucking

1620
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,600
ocean with a with a with a with a rock

1621
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,479
if he was standing on the shore. I mean, he

1622
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,239
couldn't find Michael Moore with anything. He got his absolute

1623
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:36,960
ass kick for nine and a half rounds or however

1624
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,279
long nine plus rounds. And as he says in his

1625
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,720
recounting of the story, and he told it to reporters,

1626
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,640
and he told it on the HBO Legendary Knights documentary

1627
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,680
that he had it all planned out for the past

1628
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,159
three months how he was gonna do it. And Jim Lampley,

1629
01:11:51,279 --> 01:11:54,279
our dear friend, who was his commentary partner on HBO,

1630
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,279
has told the story that George, you know, when Jim

1631
01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:59,039
asked how you gonna win, and he recounts George Foreman,

1632
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:02,680
So maybe he did plan it out telling him. And

1633
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,760
this is Jim Lampley saying this. He said to me,

1634
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,159
you watch at some point he's in a comes cannon

1635
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,720
right in front of me and let me knock him out. Meanwhile,

1636
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,680
he got Teddy Allis, who was Michael Morris trainer, going

1637
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,840
absolutely fucking crazy in the corner, telling Michael, do not

1638
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,840
stand in front of this man. He's still dangerous, you know,

1639
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:21,960
do not stand in front of him, anything to not

1640
01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:25,119
stand in front of him. And sure enough, after losing

1641
01:12:25,159 --> 01:12:28,119
every single second of every single round, he came and

1642
01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:30,479
stood right in front of George Foreman and he landed

1643
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,520
the shortest, most perfect shot you could ever see, right

1644
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,600
on the fucking button, and he knocked him clean out.

1645
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,560
The blood is welling up in his in his mouth,

1646
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,359
and he counts him out.

1647
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,199
Speaker 1: And if Joe Cortes counted him out right, and.

1648
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,319
Speaker 2: Then Joel Jim Lampley with the greatest call in the

1649
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:53,079
history of his career at HBO, it happened. It happened.

1650
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:56,680
George Foreman goes to the corner, he kneels down in prayer.

1651
01:12:57,079 --> 01:12:59,399
Bob Aaron, his promoter, gets on the ring and gets

1652
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,520
on the floor and hugs George. The place goes absolutely

1653
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,439
fucking ape shit. And as we spoke about, he's wearing the.

1654
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 3: Trunks from the rumble in the Jungle.

1655
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: Almost twenty years to the day later when he regains

1656
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,600
the title. This to me is I think maybe the

1657
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:21,159
most historic knockout in the history of boxing, besides maybe

1658
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,640
what happened in the Rumble and the Jerser Well.

1659
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Buster Douglass and Mike Tyson is

1660
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:28,840
probably that's out there. It's got to be right, Okay.

1661
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,239
So a couple of other interesting things, because I haven't

1662
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,359
done it recently, but I've watched the end of this

1663
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:37,079
fight a couple of times. I've watched the legendary HBO

1664
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:40,800
Knights thing a couple of times. Foreman came close to

1665
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,960
landing that punch a couple of times in the round

1666
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,479
before and even earlier in that round. So he clearly

1667
01:13:48,039 --> 01:13:51,479
was trying to set up the straight, fastball right hand

1668
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,159
down the middle.

1669
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:53,119
Speaker 3: That's all he had.

1670
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,079
Speaker 1: That's all right, he had caught. I'm only just saying

1671
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:58,800
he had come close, and he finally did. And I

1672
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,960
understand the argument as Michael Moore brought this up for years.

1673
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:05,720
It to him was a fluke thing. It was one

1674
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,159
of those you caught me with a punch, but don't

1675
01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:10,920
act like that. You were, you know, some great mastermind

1676
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,439
behind it. You caught me with a fluke punch. You

1677
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,079
caught me with a punch, and that was that. And

1678
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:19,119
so I remember having Joe Cortes on this podcast before

1679
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:21,039
you joined us on the podcast. We had him on

1680
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:26,159
on the anniversary probably I want to say twenty nineteen,

1681
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:28,600
so it's probably been five years ago that we talked

1682
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,279
to Joe Cortes, the Hall of Fame referee. And the

1683
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:36,079
interesting thing is, I said, do you remember anything specific

1684
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:39,880
about counting over More and maybe thinking George Foreman's about

1685
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,840
to be the heavyweight champ And he said, I'm paraphrasing.

1686
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,800
He said, I did think for a second, I'm counting

1687
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,279
him out and George, and George has won. When he

1688
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:51,279
got to like eight or nine, I'm counting him out

1689
01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:54,039
because he's still laying there. He goes, and then I turn,

1690
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:57,439
as I always do, to point to the winner and

1691
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,159
say winner, and he goes. I point to him, and

1692
01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:03,640
George is looking up and then I look back and

1693
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:05,760
I'm looking at More and I look back and I

1694
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,880
can't find George. And it's like you said, because he's

1695
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,000
kneeling down, praying in the corner. He's like, all of

1696
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:12,720
a sudden, I can't see George. People are jumping in

1697
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,640
the ring and I don't know where George is, so

1698
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:15,720
he's knelt in the corners.

1699
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,399
Speaker 2: That's what happened was when George won. You can watch that.

1700
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,039
Watch the fight. I mean, at least the end of

1701
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:22,319
the fight. A million times George looks to the he

1702
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,760
goes to the corner and he looks up. Yeah, and

1703
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,880
he had expression and kneels down to pray. And George

1704
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,880
obviously he's a religious guy. It wasn't It was not

1705
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,319
a that's not for show. That's who he is. He'd

1706
01:15:33,359 --> 01:15:35,760
been a preacher and I'm still to this day, gives

1707
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,479
sermons in this net from as far as I know.

1708
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: Has done and by the way, has done amazing things,

1709
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,600
as you know with Houston and Boys and Girls Club

1710
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,560
and his church is Church Ministry.

1711
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:45,119
Speaker 4: Uh.

1712
01:15:45,159 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: And he donated millions and millions of dollars off those

1713
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,359
forem and grills that we always joke about to that ministry.

1714
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 2: Well, and Michael Michael Moore makes the hilarious comment and

1715
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,279
the legend and nice he goes. If I didn't, if

1716
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:56,039
I get it looked out for the punch, maybe we'd

1717
01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:57,640
be talking about Michael Moore and Grills.

1718
01:15:57,359 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: Michael Morrell, right, done have the same ring to it.

1719
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:00,880
But yeah, in my in my.

1720
01:16:01,359 --> 01:16:04,119
Speaker 2: Day when this occurred. Now, this is before my days

1721
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:06,600
of covering box, and this is nineteen ninety four. I've

1722
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:11,920
graduated from college. I'm still living in my in my

1723
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,359
mom's house, you know, while I'm figuring my life out

1724
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:17,840
in what I'm doing. I was working at a small

1725
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,039
paper in upstate New York. But I'm living at home,

1726
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,239
and Mom's asleep, and my sister, who's you know, also

1727
01:16:24,279 --> 01:16:27,199
living there, my younger sister, she's asleep. My mom's bedroom

1728
01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:29,600
is across the hall. My sister's bedroom's on my side

1729
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,640
of the hall, but next to my room. So we

1730
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,439
got the three rooms clustered in the hallway. And like

1731
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,720
I said, this is late night on Saturday night or whatever.

1732
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,039
I get to a Saturday night and I'm watching the

1733
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:41,680
fight in my room, and my mom and my sister

1734
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,039
are both asleep. And when Foreman wins the title, I think,

1735
01:16:45,079 --> 01:16:47,239
I'm like, you know, at a sports bar or at

1736
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:49,439
like a restaurant, at a at a party, and I

1737
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,880
lose my fucking mind and I started a booting and

1738
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,239
holler in my room, and I didn't realize like what

1739
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:56,720
I was doing, how late it was, and my my

1740
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,800
mom and my sister both woke up and come into

1741
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,960
my like I don't know if my door might have

1742
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,319
been open or whatever, but they basically like opened my door,

1743
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:06,000
came into my room and like, what the hell is

1744
01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:08,119
going on in here? And I'm like, oh my god,

1745
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,720
I'm sorry, but George Truman just won the heavyweight title.

1746
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,319
And my mom looked at me like I had six heads, right,

1747
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:15,119
and my sister, you know, gave me the dart of

1748
01:17:15,159 --> 01:17:18,439
you know, the distinct eye, and uh, sorry, guys, but

1749
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,319
this was a huge deal. And I lost my fucking

1750
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:22,920
mind just sitting at home watching the finals by myself

1751
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:23,720
that night, as.

1752
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,159
Speaker 1: Did many that were watching at the moment thirty years

1753
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:27,960
ago now.

1754
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:32,119
Speaker 2: And imagine, though, TJ, you're George Foreman. You've, like I said,

1755
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:35,920
it's the epitome of sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes

1756
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,039
you're the bug. I mean, he's he's the bug the

1757
01:17:39,119 --> 01:17:42,319
night against Mom and Ali, right, and he's the windshield

1758
01:17:42,319 --> 01:17:44,479
twenty years later against Michael Moore and two of the

1759
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:50,079
most monumental heavyweight championship you know, uh title changing hands

1760
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:54,720
knockouts and one hundred and you know, twenty years of

1761
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:57,800
men putting padding on their fists and fighting for the

1762
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:58,720
heavyweight championship.

1763
01:17:59,119 --> 01:18:04,119
Speaker 1: And that happened on Tuesday, November fifth, So thirty years

1764
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,319
on for that great moment. And we do have a

1765
01:18:06,319 --> 01:18:10,159
birthday wish as we wrap it up here that on

1766
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:13,359
this Sunday, November third, it is the seventy fifth birthday,

1767
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:19,560
milestone birthday for the Eastern Assassin Dan Rayphiel. Larry Holmes,

1768
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,119
Happy seventy fifth birthday. And so if you talk about

1769
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:26,680
the bridge between post Ali and before all of this

1770
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,000
happened in the nineties with Tyson holy Field and then

1771
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:33,920
eventually George Foreman, you have Larry Holmes and Larry Holmes's

1772
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,760
rained so pick it up from there.

1773
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 2: Well, I would say happy birthday Larry Holmes. I mean,

1774
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,800
he's one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all time.

1775
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,119
I'm one of the great fighters of all time, maybe

1776
01:18:43,119 --> 01:18:45,760
one of the most underrated heavyweight champions of all time.

1777
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:48,920
You know, following in the footsteps of Muhammad Ali could

1778
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,279
not have been easy. It's been documented. He's talked about it,

1779
01:18:52,399 --> 01:18:55,880
and especially Larry, because you didn't have that kind of personality,

1780
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:00,439
you know, not nobody has the personally of Ali was

1781
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,560
never like an extrovert necessarily. He was more, you know,

1782
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,880
do the business. You know, didn't have like the bodybuilder,

1783
01:19:07,039 --> 01:19:10,439
you know, great athletic body, but did the job. Man,

1784
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:15,199
great jab, great heart, great chin, great great ability to

1785
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:17,159
come back. I mean in the occasions where he'd been

1786
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:20,760
knocked down by Rinaldo Snipes, for example, for Ernie Shavers

1787
01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:23,079
to get off the deck like that and to show

1788
01:19:23,119 --> 01:19:25,159
the balls to go on and not just win, but

1789
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,960
do so without controversy. And you know, in the case

1790
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,600
of the Snipes fight, get the knockout. I mean, these

1791
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,039
are punches that would have dropped anybody, and he was

1792
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:37,359
able to to knock them both both out, including Shavers

1793
01:19:37,359 --> 01:19:38,840
when he got dropped by And this isn't back in

1794
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,680
like the nineteen seventy nine but when he won the title,

1795
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,920
remember he had been Ali's sparring partner when he won

1796
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,640
the title. This was against Kenny Norton, which is one

1797
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,359
of I would say top five heavyweight fights of all time,

1798
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,159
you know, to off the top of my head, I mean,

1799
01:19:54,279 --> 01:19:59,520
just a sensational bad bad biceps and won it by

1800
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,239
winning the fifteenth round of that fight.

1801
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:05,520
Speaker 1: I still contend that fifteenth round is the greatest fifteenth round,

1802
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,359
maybe in boxing history, but certainly championship history. They just

1803
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,640
bombed each other and nobody went down as he beat

1804
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,399
Ken Norton. Now, let me put it to you like this,

1805
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:20,439
mister nostalgia. Is that the best left jab maybe in

1806
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,880
modern boxing history, Larry Holmes, I mean heavyweight history.

1807
01:20:25,039 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 3: Who's it might be?

1808
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: It might be the best job of all time anybody

1809
01:20:29,039 --> 01:20:31,800
that we've seen on recorded video or whatever, because we

1810
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,119
can't speak about it the boxers that box before the

1811
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:38,079
existence of you know, television or video cameras and that

1812
01:20:38,079 --> 01:20:41,119
sort of thing. But from the time that video existed,

1813
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:42,960
you might say he's got the best left job of

1814
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:43,520
all time.

1815
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 3: It was a weapon.

1816
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1817
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 2: Larry kind of had a raw deal because, like I said,

1818
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,119
he had to follow in the footsteps of Ali when

1819
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:52,319
he defeated Shavers. Then he had to fight Ali, who

1820
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:54,560
he didn't want to fight. And Ali obviously was you know,

1821
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,279
was way way way past his best days, and obviously

1822
01:20:57,279 --> 01:20:59,319
he beat him up severely. Didn't want to do it

1823
01:20:59,399 --> 01:21:02,640
until finally Ali Angelo Dundee in the corner pulled the

1824
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,800
mat after the tenth round. So he had to live

1825
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,279
with the fact that I just beat up you know,

1826
01:21:06,359 --> 01:21:09,239
everybody's idol, and he kind of.

1827
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,119
Speaker 3: He admitted, yeah, exactly, Ali.

1828
01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:14,319
Speaker 1: Was my idol. I didn't want to be brutalizing him

1829
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:15,239
at the end of his career.

1830
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 2: And he also fought in a time where you know,

1831
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,479
the heavyweight championship was still a big deal. But the

1832
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,680
thing that was interesting Larry he spent most of those

1833
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,199
years he was promoted by Don King, but they jumped

1834
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:27,359
around from network to now where he fought on HBO,

1835
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,319
he fought on the there on multiple they fought on ABC,

1836
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,680
fought I believe definitely on NBC, might have fought on CBS.

1837
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,239
Thought maybe here and there on a close circuit fight.

1838
01:21:36,279 --> 01:21:40,560
The point is he jumped around and but had no traction.

1839
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,640
Was a great fighter, but did not have the adulation

1840
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,680
of the public. When it got to the point where

1841
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,720
there was a fight that people really wanted to see,

1842
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,159
which was against Jerry Cooney, it was really because of Cooney,

1843
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,960
you know, the supposed great White Hope, and so it

1844
01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:57,520
was one of the rare fights where, if I'm not mistaken,

1845
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,680
they got parody in the fight where Jerry never fought anybody.

1846
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,479
Here's Larry. He'd been a champ for a long long time,

1847
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,560
but he still made the most money he'd ever made

1848
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,079
at that point. Maybe you could correct me. I thought

1849
01:22:06,079 --> 01:22:08,079
it was a parody fight. But here's the thing, though,

1850
01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:10,640
he wins that fight, and again he continued to defend

1851
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:15,039
and defend against all comers, and then was closing in

1852
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:17,399
on the on the on the hallowed mark of forty

1853
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:21,399
nine to zero compiled by Rocky Marciano, and then suffered

1854
01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:23,159
the upset loss to Michael Spinks, who was the light

1855
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:26,279
heavyweight champion who had come up to heavyweight some controversy there,

1856
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,640
lost the rematch and even then continued to fight for

1857
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,760
many years that after that. Came back after that loss

1858
01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:34,479
and the second Spinx fight and got absolutely clobbered and

1859
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,119
crushed by Tyson, and then still continued to fight and

1860
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:39,640
became kind of like Foreman, where he's fighting a lot

1861
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,039
of nobody's on the USA and these smaller types of shows.

1862
01:22:43,319 --> 01:22:46,079
But he still parlayed it into another shot against a

1863
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:49,760
Vander Holyfield for the heavyweight title, got an opportunity for

1864
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,319
the WBC belt against Oliver McCall, and just had a

1865
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,760
very long career. It always blows my mind that when

1866
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,039
he finally ended his career in two thousand and two,

1867
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,439
his last fight was a win by the way at

1868
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,560
the Scope and which will host the Keishon Davis fights

1869
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,319
on Friday, Nugget against your boy Butterbean.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

1871
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Speaker 2: I mean the career of Larry from the types of

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fights and the level of fights, and the money he made,

1873
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,479
and the and the big fights he was in, and

1874
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,760
the struggle for the credit at seventy five. I think

1875
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,359
he knows. I hope he knows that anybody that followed

1876
01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:26,560
at that time he was the heavyweight champion of my childhood,

1877
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,880
right or people that look back and study boxing, give

1878
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,920
him his props as one of the great heavyweights of

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all time, because that's what he is. He would hang there.

1880
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I don't care. You can start, you know, go back

1881
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to the John L. Sullivan, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, you know,

1882
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:47,479
Ali Foreman, Norton, Fraser, Tyson, Lewis Glitz. Pick anybody, pick

1883
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,079
any heavyweight whoever walked the face of the earth, and

1884
01:23:50,119 --> 01:23:52,279
put the prime Larry Home in the ring with that dude,

1885
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and Larry Holmes is going to be into that fight.

1886
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:57,319
Speaker 1: One hundred percent the Easton Assassin. By the way, he

1887
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,399
and Cooney are still great friends to this day, have

1888
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,319
been for decades. Even after their fight. There was a

1889
01:24:02,319 --> 01:24:05,520
lot of animosity when they fowed. Some of it was

1890
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,920
hype for the for the pay per view, which for

1891
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,000
the longest time was the record for pay per views

1892
01:24:11,039 --> 01:24:14,079
in the in the eighties, or closed circuit or money

1893
01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:16,560
made off of a off of a closed circuit or

1894
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,199
a pay per view, because there was just so much

1895
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:20,640
hype around Cooney and it was all hype. Larry dominated

1896
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,199
him and knocked him out so and.

1897
01:24:22,279 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 2: Just first perspective, by the way he finished his his career,

1898
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Larry Homes sixty nine wins, six losses, with forty four knockouts,

1899
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,439
stopped only one time in that long career that started

1900
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in nineteen seventy three ultimately ended in two thousand and two,

1901
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:39,119
right only against only against the absolute prime Mike Tyson,

1902
01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:42,279
coming off of a long layoff. By the way, five

1903
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,640
hundred and seventy nine professional rounds. I mean, that's a

1904
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,359
lot of fucking rounds.

1905
01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:52,119
Speaker 1: And probably conservatively two hundred and fifty of them or

1906
01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:54,800
championship rounds. I would just guess that, yeah, I would

1907
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:55,760
say something like that.

1908
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 2: Yes, he had twenty title defenses, you know, and was

1909
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,239
in a lot one of those went the distance, certainly,

1910
01:25:02,279 --> 01:25:04,399
tons of those fights, you know. I only regret one thing.

1911
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While I have met Larry Holmes a few times during

1912
01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:07,920
the course of my career, I've never had a chance

1913
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:08,760
interview Larry Holmes.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately interesting, but the Easton Assassin well well known. Certainly

1915
01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:19,079
if you are nostalgic like us, go back and watch

1916
01:25:19,159 --> 01:25:24,039
those fights and those battles, including with Michael Spinks. Go

1917
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:26,279
back and watch that fifteenth round again with he and

1918
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:32,000
Ken Norton in the old Caesar's Palace pavilion. Tremendous fifteenth

1919
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,279
and final round there for that. So happy birthday to

1920
01:25:34,319 --> 01:25:39,039
Larry Holmes. All Right, busy program here, including hearing from

1921
01:25:39,079 --> 01:25:42,399
Keyshawn Davis, the recap of the wins by Oshaki Foster

1922
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,119
and also Floyd Schofield, and that sets into motion now

1923
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:49,119
a week that's not only going to have Davis's headlining

1924
01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:51,880
fight on Top Rank, but the Matchroom doubleheader with Jaron

1925
01:25:52,039 --> 01:25:55,279
Ennis and Bam Rodriguez. We're gonna be ready to preview

1926
01:25:55,279 --> 01:25:58,079
those later in a week. I have not mentioned yet.

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As we say, goodbye here that I'm actually in Kansas City. Hello,

1928
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Heartland of America, as my Buccaneers get ready to take

1929
01:26:05,159 --> 01:26:07,600
on the Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night football. Raphael,

1930
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,199
be thinking, be thinking of me as I stand in

1931
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:13,479
the rain. Apparently that's the forecast, as I stand in

1932
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,399
the upper fifties, mid fifties and the rain all Monday night.

1933
01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:21,359
Speaker 2: As I often say in these situations, better you than.

1934
01:26:21,319 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: This, exactly. And one more nugget? Can I put this

1935
01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:27,880
nugget on top of the nuggets? All right? They're talking

1936
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,279
about another tropical storm. God help us. We don't need

1937
01:26:32,319 --> 01:26:36,399
another one. It is way south of the Yucatan Peninsula

1938
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,079
as you visualize things in the Caribbean Sea. But it's

1939
01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:41,880
apparently going to become a factor. Stay with me, Stay

1940
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:43,680
with me, audience, and Dan, it's going to become a

1941
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:48,039
factor next week. Are you ready. We're on the RS.

1942
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,680
And even though they're pronouncing it Raphael, it's spelled like

1943
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,159
your name. It's not the Rafael of the teenage mutant

1944
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:59,960
Ninja Turtles, which is at age. This is a Rafael

1945
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:05,520
with the F the Spanish pronunciation. So Hurricane Rayfield. Because

1946
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,159
I've been looking at Rayfield's name for the last twenty

1947
01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:13,199
five years is a possibility in the coming few days.

1948
01:27:13,319 --> 01:27:16,600
We may be talking they're gonna call it Raphael, but

1949
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,600
it's spelled the same way ri F A E L

1950
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,840
like you spell Rayfield. Keep that away from everything, please,

1951
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:27,000
if you have no say in the mids over your namesake,

1952
01:27:27,359 --> 01:27:28,119
keep that away.

1953
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,239
Speaker 3: No sense, God Almighty.

1954
01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: So I saw that and I had to throw that

1955
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,840
out as a nugget on top of the nuggets here

1956
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,600
on the program or anything else. In closing, Are we

1957
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:36,920
ready to have a good week? Are we ready to

1958
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:37,439
get out of here?

1959
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm ready to go. I can't.

1960
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, listen, Like I said, I'm interested to

1961
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,359
see how how things go for Keisha in the hometown,

1962
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,079
looking forward to seeing Bam fight, looking to see looking

1963
01:27:48,079 --> 01:27:50,119
forward to seeing in this fight. Although be less and

1964
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:53,000
honest I said, I'm looking forward to the actual It's

1965
01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:55,640
not Drown's fault, it's not Matriom's fault. That's a mandatory.

1966
01:27:56,199 --> 01:27:56,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

1967
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,520
Speaker 2: But the that fight leaves something can be desired. So

1968
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,920
at the very least release Matchew was able to beef

1969
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,720
it up by putting another top fighter on the Cold

1970
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:06,840
feature with Dan Revriguez.

1971
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:08,039
Speaker 3: Wo's in with a pretty good oppoint.

1972
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,279
Speaker 1: All right, so we got plenty of time of dissection

1973
01:28:10,319 --> 01:28:13,000
those on a preview pod. What day we reconvene there,

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01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,319
Nice stuff and have a good weekend, Ray pil We

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appreciate it YouTube. All right, I'm merely PJ Reeve. Thank

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you for being with us. Follow subscribe on this podcast

1977
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