Speaker 1: You are listening to Video Games to the Max. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another addition of video Games to the Max.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Sean Gomer here with me as
Speaker 1: usual mister Mark Morrison, and well, we got a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about here today. Got, of course, the big
Speaker 1: news that we kind of knew for a long time
Speaker 1: and just felt like we're just waiting for it to
Speaker 1: finally get announced. For as our Horizon five is officially
Speaker 1: going to the PlayStation five, and you know, so it
Speaker 1: begins the big the big movers and shakers are finally coming.
Speaker 1: Let's see how long it takes the other two standard
Speaker 1: bearers of the Xbox to lover to PlayStation. We also
Speaker 1: got a lot of moving around again for Sony. It's
Speaker 1: funny we talked about this last week. Would there be
Speaker 1: any your percussions Maybe there has been already for what's
Speaker 1: been going on with having to cancel all these lab
Speaker 1: service games for Sony. We'll get into that. Also, we
Speaker 1: will get into video games. Mark Marksman playing Sniper Lea Resistance.
Speaker 1: I've been playing big helmet heroes and I have my
Speaker 1: review out for a riff to the Necro Dancer. I'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about that, and then we
Speaker 1: got some bad stuff going on with EA and by
Speaker 1: where downsizing and some other things as well. So got
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Speaker 1: the something we haven't done, and I think a few
Speaker 1: weeks now, the video games, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: we end up having to like kind of mosey that
Speaker 1: along because we have so much news to talk about,
Speaker 1: which again this episode's newsfield. You've been playing Sniper e
Speaker 1: Lea Resistance, which is on game Pass for people that
Speaker 1: want to just check that out. Did you get a
Speaker 1: code from Adam I'm guessing or you Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: trying it out with that, Okay, how is it? I've
Speaker 1: heard it's just a big expansion to Sniper Leaf five?
Speaker 1: Is that what it feels like.
Speaker 2: It pretty much is, Yeah, you know, if you like
Speaker 2: that one, you'll like this one. I mean to the
Speaker 2: point where like even the I think the like skill
Speaker 2: tree is the five. Oh, I would say a little lazy,
Speaker 2: but you know, who am I to judge?
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, but I feel like they're they're kind
Speaker 1: of trying to just you know, it was just something
Speaker 1: quick to be able to put out and continue to
Speaker 1: snimper Elite series. Maybe it was supposed to be an
Speaker 1: expansion directly at some point and they just did it standalone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Possibly. I mean it's not like it's not like
Speaker 2: bad or anything. But I mean I knew, I knew
Speaker 2: exactly what I was getting when I got you know,
Speaker 2: when I got this game. There's more co op sniping
Speaker 2: with gens and killing Nazis, and that's always fun, especially
Speaker 2: in today's climate.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, anything else, how goes the Are you playing
Speaker 1: more seven Rebirth on PC?
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I'm in the Coral region right now. I
Speaker 2: just I just climbed the top it's two the mountain,
Speaker 2: and I remember, like, yeah, there's a lot of filler
Speaker 2: in this game that you could have cut out fair enough,
Speaker 2: but yeah, still good, you know, yeah, like yeah, like
Speaker 2: that's like when you get UFI basically, and I did
Speaker 2: all the Johnny stuff, although I can't get the tom
Speaker 2: Berry Crown yet but I will soon, and then I love.
Speaker 1: That except for figuring out that there's like the tom
Speaker 1: Brady Crown kind of looks like other things in where
Speaker 1: you're having the fight and it's hard to figure out
Speaker 1: that it's a tom Brady Kray.
Speaker 2: Well you're just gonna steal it, but like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of a random chance thing, you know, that
Speaker 2: doesn't it's not like, oh, you just hit the button
Speaker 2: and it does it automatically. It's like, no, I can
Speaker 2: fail or you know. So yeah, keep keep it at that,
Speaker 2: I guess. But I still like it on PC quite
Speaker 2: a bit, and I'll keep at it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all right, that's the way to play
Speaker 1: the game, I guess right now. If you're yeah, it's pro.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of weird mods for it, Like
Speaker 2: I saw one that was like a free camera mood
Speaker 2: and like the person is exploring midguar from rebirth because
Speaker 2: it's not actually in the game. It's just like some
Speaker 2: low volley model, but like they were so impressed that
Speaker 2: even like if being little Polly was like good or
Speaker 2: you know, it's still like pretty good for you know,
Speaker 2: something that's not like in the game necessarily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean I'm sure there are like
Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy mods if you want to go
Speaker 1: look for that.
Speaker 2: I'm on that that yet, but maybe when I get
Speaker 2: done at the game, I will just screw around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Always kind of funny to see with it. You know,
Speaker 1: hopefully they has well, is there really any has their
Speaker 1: entity that kind of like improves the game at all or.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, like cuts away. Uh, there's like one that
Speaker 2: like cuts or like makes the Uh. I think it's
Speaker 2: when when you're Barrett and you're in that stupid deep.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well you're doing the shooting.
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was kind of I think I had
Speaker 1: to redo that like three times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they don't really explain what you're supposed to do,
Speaker 2: and like the fact that you can move, but the
Speaker 2: game doesn't like tell you like hey, if you use
Speaker 2: bullets or if US missiles, like way I can do that.
Speaker 1: I think I even had to do it. I had
Speaker 1: to do it for the train one with UFI where
Speaker 1: it's you know, picking between him and you FI, and
Speaker 1: the one where you're after you fight the the crazy
Speaker 1: guy I can't remember his name right now, the weirdo
Speaker 1: guy the dances on top of the frog. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: I just remember having to redo that because I was
Speaker 1: just like, why is this so finicky? And I can't
Speaker 1: figure out how exactly I'm supposed to be shooting or
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to be shooting at? Or eventually I
Speaker 1: figured it out enough to just get.
Speaker 2: Through it right there.
Speaker 1: Speaking of getting through it, that's kind of what I'm
Speaker 1: doing with big helmet heroes. It's a decent game. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I think it's fine. If you play in co op,
Speaker 1: maybe you won't really think about the things that happen.
Speaker 1: A lot of beat them ups right where eventually they
Speaker 1: kind of wear out. They're welcome because you know, you
Speaker 1: get tired of doing the same motions over and over.
Speaker 1: The things that help out with this game is that
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's totally there to be silly. The characters
Speaker 1: are silly, obviously, they all have big heads. The enemies
Speaker 1: are just as equally just look like them. And the
Speaker 1: thing that like Actually it's there's like twenty eight characters
Speaker 1: in that game, and it's cool to like run into
Speaker 1: new ones, but they kind of all play some roos.
Speaker 1: So like once you played with and then they give
Speaker 1: you all the archetypes that they give you the kind
Speaker 1: of two archetypes at the beginning, and then you kind
Speaker 1: of get the other two archetypes like really quick. So
Speaker 1: after that, it's like all the other characters look different,
Speaker 1: but they literally play essentially the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like three or four classes, but it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's.
Speaker 1: Just like it's kind of disappointing in a way because
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of looking forward to that and then
Speaker 1: oh man, it's it's just kind of like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: just another version of the big giant character and it's
Speaker 1: cool and all. But at least their specials are different,
Speaker 1: so you do have like that to look forward to,
Speaker 1: and you get that stuff quick. Like they try to
Speaker 1: make sure that you can do the the specials in
Speaker 1: a fast way so you're not having to kind of
Speaker 1: just button mash X the whole time. I'm playing on Xbox,
Speaker 1: but you know, same thing probably with the PlayStation. But
Speaker 1: I mean essentially, yeah, they the backgrounds are kind of all,
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of melding. She they have different settings.
Speaker 1: The thing is the game it's an indie game also,
Speaker 1: so it's like you could definitely feel that it's an indiegame.
Speaker 1: It's JANKI, and it has problems with the camera where
Speaker 1: you're fighting enemies and they will just all of a
Speaker 1: sudden go off screen. I literally, in the last level
Speaker 1: that I did before we started recording, I literally had
Speaker 1: an issue where I had the cameras like zoomed in
Speaker 1: and you can't see past a certain point and I've
Speaker 1: sitt there going why can't I progress? And I have
Speaker 1: to start walking around the entire area and just like
Speaker 1: hitting X until all of a sudden an enemy pops
Speaker 1: out that I apparently didn't kill, and then I can
Speaker 1: go forward, and I'm just like, this is not it's
Speaker 1: not great, And there was. The bosses have a big problem.
Speaker 1: They have bosses in certain levels, and some of them
Speaker 1: are traditional, like Okay, it's the end, then you're getting
Speaker 1: to the boss whatever. Then some of them are like
Speaker 1: in the middle of the level, like there's a one
Speaker 1: where you're finding like a kraken on a ship and
Speaker 1: it's cool, but the problem is that there's you get
Speaker 1: to the last part of the freaking level and the
Speaker 1: thing just slows down to a crawl where I could
Speaker 1: not move my character, and I had to replay that
Speaker 1: like four times until I finally was able to come
Speaker 1: in with like a special attack before you get to
Speaker 1: that part, and I just spamned it and killed a thing.
Speaker 1: And I was like, cause I was literally talking to
Speaker 1: like another one of my friends, you know, Jeff Young,
Speaker 1: who we've had on here before. He was revealing also
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I just figured out a way
Speaker 1: to just spam the special and get over that, because
Speaker 1: there's only twenty levels in the game. That's like the
Speaker 1: sixth level or something, and and he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mentually figured out how to get it through it, but man,
Speaker 1: it was it was a problem for a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, imagine me replaying the damn level
Speaker 1: like four times. So yeah, and then you know, quick
Speaker 1: resume wasn't helping where it decides that it wants to
Speaker 1: just crap out the game. So thankfully, the levels are
Speaker 1: really fast, like it's like three or four minutes, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably fine and co op like where you don't
Speaker 1: really think about it much, but it's there's better beat
Speaker 1: him up for sure, right it. Technically the embargo ended
Speaker 1: today this morning, so the game doesn't come out to
Speaker 1: February sixth, so hopefully they can pass some of this stuff,
Speaker 1: especially the enemy is just disappearing on offscreen and like
Speaker 1: your character when you go on a bridge just decides
Speaker 1: to fall off and stuff like that. But exactly one
Speaker 1: indie game that I absolutely loved. I gave it a
Speaker 1: I guess nine out of ten four point five stars.
Speaker 1: I talked about it when I played the demo. But
Speaker 1: Riff the Necrod answer is freaking awesome. The thirty five
Speaker 1: tracks are fantastic to listen to even outside the game
Speaker 1: if you and it has pretty much the people you're
Speaker 1: used to, you know, Danny Branowski jewels some folks that
Speaker 1: are used to with the other soundtracks for the Crypt series.
Speaker 1: But they also brought in Alex I hope I'm not
Speaker 1: butchering his name. Mulaka, the guy that does a lot
Speaker 1: of like he does a lot of Final Fantasy like
Speaker 1: covers with like guitars and stuff. Okay, African American guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen him, but he does
Speaker 1: awesome versions of that stuff, and so they brought him
Speaker 1: into this game, and he does like rocking songs on
Speaker 1: the soundtrack that are tremendous to listen to. Outside of it,
Speaker 1: the story is kind of what it is. It's silly.
Speaker 1: It's to get you to point A to point B.
Speaker 1: I did love the little mini games that are in
Speaker 1: this thing. Like each character, each one of Cadence's friends
Speaker 1: has like their own character, their own a little not character,
Speaker 1: their own little job that they do, and so you
Speaker 1: kind of do like a version of a rhythm game
Speaker 1: to like yoga or a rhythm game to like taking pictures,
Speaker 1: and it's actually like really neat, and it kind of
Speaker 1: made me forget sometimes to press the button because I'm
Speaker 1: wanting to see like the backgrounds and things like that
Speaker 1: are happening. And the songs are really good for those two.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they did a tremendous job of like moving
Speaker 1: this series, which is already obviously rhythm based, so you
Speaker 1: have that and you have the great soundtrack to go
Speaker 1: with it, but they translated that super well to like
Speaker 1: basically Guitar Hero. So if you're missing an actual traditional
Speaker 1: Guitar Hero game obviously without the guitar then there is
Speaker 1: this which you can technically play with one if you
Speaker 1: it's only on PC right now. It's supposed to come
Speaker 1: to switch at some point. I don't know when. I
Speaker 1: didn't really notice any like issues with it, like as
Speaker 1: far as like lag or anything like that, so it
Speaker 1: should work these you know pretty well, the switch, especially
Speaker 1: the you know switch to when when that comes out,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that it will works fine. But you
Speaker 1: can play with one hand essentially because it's just the up,
Speaker 1: left and right arrows. Uh. And it doesn't really change
Speaker 1: from that. Obviously, you have to depending on which enemies
Speaker 1: are going you have to change how many times you
Speaker 1: hit it before you get to that. But that's what
Speaker 1: makes it fun is the track changes, the enemies change.
Speaker 1: If you want to make it harder for yourself, you
Speaker 1: definitely can. There's ones that will change the the way
Speaker 1: that the beat happens, stuff like that, because it still
Speaker 1: has the beat matching stuff from crypt and all that,
Speaker 1: and then it has the fun boss battles, which if
Speaker 1: you're watching the video version, it shows like even though
Speaker 1: they're all kind of the same, you're all just like
Speaker 1: beat matching, like the arrows and stuff they all have
Speaker 1: like really fun characters that are happening on screen, and
Speaker 1: they have their own like songs. Well they're fun. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it can get pretty hard if you want to play it,
Speaker 1: even on even on medium, it can get tough. I
Speaker 1: had to repeat a bunch of times with the songs
Speaker 1: so to get through it. So but it was it
Speaker 1: was a blast. I had a blast with it. So
Speaker 1: it's right now. I guess technically it would be my
Speaker 1: front runner for you know, best reviewed game so far.
Speaker 1: Obviously we got a long way to go, you know,
Speaker 1: long ago, but I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, we
Speaker 1: got a lot of games, especially ones that I know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have access to because they'll be on Game Pass,
Speaker 1: but it could be up there just the way that
Speaker 1: I know. I like rhythm and music, right, But that's
Speaker 1: pretty much it for me. I do have the Iron
Speaker 1: Tail two also going, but I'm trying to the embargo
Speaker 1: just ends. I'm trying to do exactly what I did
Speaker 1: for Rift, which is try to get this up tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So I'm only a big helmet Heroes up tomorrow, so
Speaker 1: I'm only behind by one day on the embargo, and
Speaker 1: then I can because they it's not their fault, right,
Speaker 1: they're in any also, but they weren't able to give
Speaker 1: me the code to launch day for Irontail two. So
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm sorry, I'm gonna do kind of
Speaker 1: what normally happens if you wait till give me the
Speaker 1: game until the day comes out. If I have other
Speaker 1: games that I haven't hit embargo yet, those are gonna
Speaker 1: go first, and then this won't come last. So hopefully
Speaker 1: within a week I'll be able to get that up
Speaker 1: and then I can kind of refresh my palette until
Speaker 1: we get to further on down the line. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it for me playing games right now. Let's get
Speaker 1: on to the actual news here. I guess we might
Speaker 1: as well start with.
Speaker 2: X.
Speaker 1: No, let's start with this thing that affects everything in gaming,
Speaker 1: which was announced officially, like as I want to say
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. Not gonna make this political.
Speaker 1: This is just about how it affects gaming. You want
Speaker 1: to go make it political, you can go do that
Speaker 1: in the comments, but we're not doing that here. So,
Speaker 1: mister Donald Trump, President the United States, announced the terroriffts
Speaker 1: that he said he was going to do as part
Speaker 1: of his campaign. He proposed a twenty five percent tax
Speaker 1: on Mexico and Canada ten on China. He's also going
Speaker 1: to tax Taiwanese, the circle boards, the the freaking semiconductors,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, semi conductors, which those are going to computer parts.
Speaker 1: They go into consoles, they go into cars, they go
Speaker 1: into a lot of things. Right now, Mexico has been
Speaker 1: avoided because they came out with some kind of uh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna come up with a new trade deal, so
Speaker 1: those have been delayed for a month while they figure
Speaker 1: this out. I guess I really don't know why we're
Speaker 1: testing Canada at all. And then but Canada doesn't really
Speaker 1: have much to do with the video game set of things.
Speaker 1: It's more about China, the semiconductors from Taiwan And if
Speaker 1: Mexico ever goes into effect, because a lot of physical
Speaker 1: games are made in Mexico, yeah, a lot of the
Speaker 1: factual stuff that's.
Speaker 2: Used to making media and stuff as well.
Speaker 1: So right so, And because that would lead to physical
Speaker 1: media going up in price, the fear is that in
Speaker 1: order to make it to where you know, stores and
Speaker 1: consumers that are buying physical or not just eating that price,
Speaker 1: you may have to eat that price digitally. As well,
Speaker 1: So we might see the price of games that we
Speaker 1: talked about with the grand theft autor deal. Maybe that happens,
Speaker 1: even a four grand theft aut of five or six
Speaker 1: sorry coming out, so as if we need things to
Speaker 1: be more expensive with the way things are right now
Speaker 1: in the economy. But and I feel bad for the
Speaker 1: people in other countries that are already paying ridiculous prices
Speaker 1: for games or not it's ridiculous, I guess it's whatever
Speaker 1: the compatible price for games, which is still way more
Speaker 1: than what we pay here in the United States. Feel
Speaker 1: bad for them with that that affects us now obviously
Speaker 1: here in the US. So now we may be paying
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps closer to eighty dollars or more. And
Speaker 1: then who knows what this affects don't know if they
Speaker 1: were already kind of pricing for that to happen, or
Speaker 1: if they'll eat the price and make every game set,
Speaker 1: not every game, but every triple a ish game seventy
Speaker 1: dollars instead, when Inintendo's gonna do with the switch to
Speaker 1: if they account for that and have consumers kind of
Speaker 1: deal with the price increase on that and would switch
Speaker 1: to as well. So let's see what happens there. You
Speaker 1: think any of this stuff is going to happen.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the charts on would be like a
Speaker 2: day or two and to everyone realizes that he could
Speaker 2: be done, that the override him.
Speaker 1: Also, you do you feel like this could spell even
Speaker 1: more the end of physical media if this does go
Speaker 1: in effect, And let's say some places just either abandoned
Speaker 1: the physical version of the game in order to not
Speaker 1: have to increase the price, or they do just say, look,
Speaker 1: if you want this special version of the game or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's going to cost this, but you can still buy
Speaker 1: digitally if you Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, limited runs to you know exist, or you know,
Speaker 2: they're more popular than ever. So there's still a dominion
Speaker 2: for physical media. So I don't think necessarily that that'll
Speaker 2: go away.
Speaker 1: But let's say let's say that, okay, people start doing
Speaker 1: what we saw Nintendo do with Metro Prime right where
Speaker 1: let's say released the digital version like two or three
Speaker 1: weeks earlier, and they go, okay, digital version's still sixty
Speaker 1: or forty or fifty or whatever whatever game you're buying,
Speaker 1: or seventy, but then the physical version is more.
Speaker 2: Right, I still think there'll be a market for the
Speaker 2: physical one, So, I mean it will suck, but the
Speaker 2: people will still buy it.
Speaker 1: Right now, fair enough, Let's see what they wind up doing,
Speaker 1: right because the thought is that they will make both
Speaker 1: digital and physical the same, because they don't want to
Speaker 1: immediately kill whatever physical market there is still left, especially
Speaker 1: once you know Switch Too's out there and Nintendo is
Speaker 1: once again like leading the way for physical because people
Speaker 1: tend to buy a lot of Switch gains physical. Also,
Speaker 1: do you see the the rumors about they change the
Speaker 1: cases for Switch to game. No, like they supposedly made
Speaker 1: them even bigger for some reason instead of making them smaller.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that needs to be so big
Speaker 1: that carts is freaking tiny.
Speaker 2: I mean the carters may be bigger though, like that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it may have like a you know, a slot
Speaker 2: for Switch games, but it may have like a bigger
Speaker 2: slot for like Switch two games. Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 2: The actual game could be you know, physical size could
Speaker 2: be bigger. We're bringing back We're bringing back Compact Slash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's likely that's what we're there here. I would
Speaker 1: I would say that you were you since you watch
Speaker 1: him all the time. I meant to watch Jeff Gertzman's
Speaker 1: episode this week because he had Adam Boys on. Uh
Speaker 1: right Radio also had Adam Boys on.
Speaker 2: I'm a few episodes behind Jeff, but yeah, I saw
Speaker 2: he was on there or Adam was.
Speaker 1: On there, Okay, so I was I was gonna see
Speaker 1: if you could give me the perspective of because nobody
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it has to do
Speaker 1: with just you know, the whole thing, if this goes
Speaker 1: back to you know, Jeff's thing with what happened with
Speaker 1: why he left game Spot or I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is there nothing newsworthy in his podcasts
Speaker 1: that like nobody reported on it compared to everybody reported
Speaker 1: the one from gamertech Radio or did they talk about
Speaker 1: the same stuff or whatever, because it's like when the
Speaker 1: Xbox One came out with Phil, they did, but they
Speaker 1: were put it on both. So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Well there's two things. One I would say, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: Jeff isn't as I wouldn't say, business oriented, but like
Speaker 2: console or news oriented, like because Adam is a friend,
Speaker 2: so they probably right talked the shit, you know, talked
Speaker 2: crap most of the time. But also like Adam himself,
Speaker 2: like he hasn't known Sony for like five years at least.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he has that consultant firm now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's an Iron Galaxy for like the past
Speaker 2: five years or four and a half or you know,
Speaker 2: he's not like a Sony guy per se as opposed
Speaker 2: to Phil who literally still is running Xbox. It's not
Speaker 2: like it's a new job for him or you know,
Speaker 2: he's he's still the head of the Xbox clan, right, So,
Speaker 2: I mean that's probably why it wasn't like particularly newsworthy
Speaker 2: from Jeff about Adam's take on stuff or even if
Speaker 2: he if he even if they got into that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure if Jeff. I'm sure Jeff brought
Speaker 1: it up just because that kind of happens in conversation,
Speaker 1: but they a lot of the what was the one
Speaker 1: thing that was kind of taken out of the gam
Speaker 1: Retech radio interview, which again was a short one. Who's
Speaker 1: talk about twenty five to thirty minutes?
Speaker 2: You can go watch it, okay, Yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 2: sure like the Adam Jeff podcast is like two hours
Speaker 2: long at least, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It is, it's much long. Yeah, and they spend like
Speaker 1: talking about I think I watched like the first thirty
Speaker 1: minutes they're talking about like what games he's playing, and
Speaker 1: he's he's talking about other stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So the one thing that they talked about was basically
Speaker 1: him sharing his thoughts on the Xbox what's the platform
Speaker 1: strategy thing? Since he comes from Sony side that, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not doing that, and you know he obviously is.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows him pretty much from that, you know, how
Speaker 1: to share games video that he did with shoe Hey,
Speaker 1: and you know he brought up there. Basically, his kind
Speaker 1: of thing is like he doesn't understand why everybody plays
Speaker 1: the victim. He doesn't understand who the victim is here
Speaker 1: because he doesn't see where this is a problem because
Speaker 1: everybody getting to play everybody's games is a good thing.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, he uses like have analogy of they were
Speaker 1: a Blockbuster that then became Netflix. What if everybody's an
Speaker 1: entertaining company. Now you know Sony is uh, Nintendo's, Disney,
Speaker 1: Sony is HBO and Netflixbuster. Well, yeah, Blockbuster's problem was
Speaker 1: they were too stupid to number one, not buy Netflix
Speaker 1: when I could have, and then number two, uh, basically
Speaker 1: underestimate them and not try to do more of what
Speaker 1: they were doing faster.
Speaker 2: But I say, the victim, like the victim, and we'll
Speaker 2: talk about this. I guess maybe the forest of stuff
Speaker 2: is like people want people evangelize their consoles or now
Speaker 2: they're video cards.
Speaker 1: It's it's travelism, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know the victim in this, well they
Speaker 2: quote the quote unquote victim would be like Xbox fanboys
Speaker 2: or Xbox purists. But it's like, hey, uh you back
Speaker 2: to you back the horse and it didn't come through,
Speaker 2: so you know you gotta take it, take it for
Speaker 2: what it.
Speaker 1: Is, or you know, like yeah, he talks about that.
Speaker 1: It's it's people kind of not wanting to change and
Speaker 1: being like I only want this thing on the thing
Speaker 1: that I bought, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, there there's still the said bastards who are
Speaker 2: like evangelizing the second Dreamcast and sicke a Saturn and
Speaker 2: going like, oh, you know, the second Saturn has the
Speaker 2: greatest lineup ever if you counted the Japanese lineup and
Speaker 2: so okay, yeah, if you count like the thirty of
Speaker 2: thirty obscure two D shooters for the Saturn that only
Speaker 2: you and eight other people care about, then yeah, it's
Speaker 2: the greatest, greatest launch or the greatest console ever. But
Speaker 2: to the regular folk, which is everyone, they don't give
Speaker 2: a ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not wrong about that. Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: that's kind of what he talks about, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the segment because you brought it up.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, I was gonna say it like it happened,
Speaker 2: like you know, the three six and not the three sift.
Speaker 2: The Xbox had a decent run and if they want
Speaker 2: to continue to console business, they can. But out of
Speaker 2: four rolls of the dice, they only hit once, and
Speaker 2: they didn't even like that one time they hit. They
Speaker 2: still kind of ended up third. Overall, it just took
Speaker 2: a long half while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was basically at the end of the generations.
Speaker 2: I guess I wouldn't like hold that against him. I'd
Speaker 2: still say, like, of that of that generation, I I
Speaker 2: think the three sixty is the lead platform. Maybe not sales,
Speaker 2: but like in terms of like overall popularity or put
Speaker 2: you know, putting this like foot like it was like
Speaker 2: the lead in terms of interest for for you know,
Speaker 2: if you have a multi platform game, which is rare
Speaker 2: in that generation, the three six years by the lead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you didn't have and obviously because the three
Speaker 1: aside from when they had the problem with the Red
Speaker 1: Ring of Death, which didn't help them. Uh, the games
Speaker 1: played better, you had less problems, right. PS three had
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with various games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't watch it, but I saw some Digital
Speaker 2: Foundry cliff or like that. You know, it was suggested
Speaker 2: going like it was on YouTube, why are the three
Speaker 2: sixteen PS three games run so bad? And I really
Speaker 2: had to fight the urge just right fuck you, like
Speaker 2: under the comments section, you know, because it's like you're
Speaker 2: you're reviewing these games. You're looking at these games, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty years after the fact the consoles were underpowered back then,
Speaker 2: somewhat exactly because because they're not like top of the
Speaker 2: line PCs even back then. It's like get a goddamn grip.
Speaker 1: Like and it's interesting too because it's like you've always
Speaker 1: talked about fbs fps. Well, the games ran a sixty
Speaker 1: fi right, So it's like, I mean.
Speaker 2: Not all we're gonna you're gonna bring up four as
Speaker 2: I assume.
Speaker 1: Yes, I guess to go ahead and segway because you know,
Speaker 1: brought up the troubleism again of my game is going
Speaker 1: somewhere else, And look I understand right. I think if
Speaker 1: you're an Xbox only person, you are worried at this
Speaker 1: point because what if the next console doesn't sell? Am
Speaker 1: I gonna have to buy a PC in order to
Speaker 1: be able to play the games that I bought on
Speaker 1: my Xbox? Are?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Are are they going to sell enough?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: If the rumor is that they're gonna have instead of
Speaker 1: having the series as they're gonna have, the second SKU
Speaker 1: is gonna be the they're handheld, that's going to be
Speaker 1: similar to the switch uh, And they sell enough between
Speaker 1: the two that they can kind of keep it afloat
Speaker 1: and it's not like bleeding them to keep making consoles
Speaker 1: when they're not really doing much. Or does the sales
Speaker 1: of Seamen and Sony make it to where it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because they're doing good enough?
Speaker 2: Right? I would say, I mean, I know, like c
Speaker 2: I Thieves came out and it did well, and that
Speaker 2: other Xbox game came out and did okay, I would say,
Speaker 2: like four is it is actually like the best litmus
Speaker 2: test about how how much more stuff should come out?
Speaker 2: Like should they put Halo on three six or Halo
Speaker 2: on PS five or Gears on PS five or how
Speaker 2: much of this bat catalog stuff. Do you want to
Speaker 2: kind of mind for bring over right? I I hate
Speaker 2: to say it, and you know Xbox or Microsoft wouldn't
Speaker 2: do this. I don't think it should be a full
Speaker 2: price game.
Speaker 1: I mean I could see sixty dollars.
Speaker 2: I think see thirty dollars, but I remember.
Speaker 1: It's also coming with the expansions.
Speaker 2: Okay for like, but Like Horizon's old, It's at least
Speaker 2: it's three years old at this point, maybe even four.
Speaker 2: I mean when did the Horizon h Yeah, Horizon five
Speaker 2: come out in twenty twenty one, so it's a four
Speaker 2: year old game. Wow, Like Motorsport came out sooner than
Speaker 2: that was. That was like two years ago.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you're right about the fact that
Speaker 1: Like it should be less. We don't know the price
Speaker 1: right now, and you can wish list it on PlayStation
Speaker 1: if you want right five right now. But I would
Speaker 1: assume I would bet that Navy sixty is where they
Speaker 1: land because technically it's coming with all expansions. It's a
Speaker 1: full content game. Yes, it's a it's being ported, so
Speaker 1: panic Button is working on it. It's not it's being
Speaker 1: overset overseen by playground. But obviously most of the playgrounds
Speaker 1: over there working on Fable right now, so, but they
Speaker 1: also handled the ports of Doom twenty sixteen, Doo Maternal
Speaker 1: Wolfenstein to New Colossus for Switch, so it's not like
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing, you know. So if
Speaker 1: there is a team that you would want doing it,
Speaker 1: that would make sense. If they can get this to
Speaker 1: work really well and not have many problems.
Speaker 2: That launch, I'm gonna work fine because you know it'll run,
Speaker 2: you know, runs fine on a PC welling off, and
Speaker 2: all these consoles aren't basically now glorified PCs. It's nothing
Speaker 2: like Special per Se.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's funny because you know, like it was
Speaker 1: that game of won a bunch of awards. I think
Speaker 1: it won IGN's Game of the Year that year and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then it's like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: this is the game for twenty twenty one, Xbox has
Speaker 1: got it. And then it's like many years later, here
Speaker 1: we go, it's coming to PlayStation, and you could argue
Speaker 1: that like now PlayStation has a fantastic card game. Finally,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, depending on where you land on
Speaker 1: Grand Threasma, especially in the arcade scene, they don't have
Speaker 1: an arcade game like that, right, So you know, because
Speaker 1: for the Motorsport, you could argue Grand Resmo seven is
Speaker 1: perhaps better because that thing came out and it feels
Speaker 1: like nobody talked about it, but outside of the gearheads
Speaker 1: that that love that game, Horizon five was beloved. So definitely,
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna sell well, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think we worry about like I do think
Speaker 1: and even Phil said it, he said, there's stuff that's
Speaker 1: already come out that we are not going to port
Speaker 1: over here. You know, I think I brought up record like,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna bother wasting their time bringing that over.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring Son of Rome.
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see if they bring that over.
Speaker 1: I wonder if perhaps also like because Motorsports not. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing is, they're probably gonna be working on Fable
Speaker 1: for a long time. So I wonder if I'm assuming
Speaker 1: once Fable is done, they will then have a smaller
Speaker 1: team that then starts working on Sports Horizons six if
Speaker 1: they're not already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bold claim because you're assuming that's Fables
Speaker 2: were gonna get done.
Speaker 1: Or perhaps they section off a you know, a team again,
Speaker 1: if I'm not already.
Speaker 2: Doing that, Microsoft just contracts buyer to finish it. You
Speaker 2: do it before you shut.
Speaker 1: Down, except perhaps add more contro the Force and five
Speaker 1: if itselves well enough on PlayStation right.
Speaker 2: Now, they might add like like one more car pack
Speaker 2: or something. But no, it won't be like here, here's
Speaker 2: a whole New Island or whole new I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna be interested if the did the Warthog come to
Speaker 1: for five or was that just motorsport because five? But
Speaker 1: if it's gonna come to PS five or not, that's
Speaker 1: it's going.
Speaker 2: To be an interesting one.
Speaker 1: Would they have that come out of four halos officially
Speaker 1: out on those systems.
Speaker 2: But I think the problem that the Warthog is like,
Speaker 2: it's not it's not like included by default. It's like
Speaker 2: win it.
Speaker 1: It's a stupid uh yeah, one of the tournaments or something.
Speaker 2: You win. You can either buy it for like a
Speaker 2: lot of money or you have to win it, like
Speaker 2: the stupid car roulette thing. But yeah, you know it's
Speaker 2: been to win or whatever.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they at all moving on from that
Speaker 1: for a little while here, even though again big deal
Speaker 1: for this to happen, I think you can pretty much
Speaker 1: if this sells, well, that's it. Like it is there is.
Speaker 1: He already said it, but there's no hesitation. It's it's
Speaker 1: all coming. All the big games that they think will
Speaker 1: have a decent shot of selling are gonna come, especially
Speaker 1: any of the recent stuff. And we already know Anya
Speaker 1: Jones is coming. He basically said Starfield is coming. Is
Speaker 1: just we don't know exactly when.
Speaker 2: And I imagine Starfield might have like one more DC
Speaker 2: up its sleeve, like an actual, hopefully good story based
Speaker 2: content one, and then once that comes out, they'll bundle
Speaker 2: all together and at least in five.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if South of Midnight becomes the last
Speaker 1: pseudo XBOSS exclusive because well, I guess Fable maybe also,
Speaker 1: but like almost everything else that they're coming out with
Speaker 1: uh this year is releasing on both at the same time.
Speaker 1: Out of Worlds is Out of Worlds two releasing, Oh
Speaker 1: have vowed as well, but about as before South the Midnight.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I think outside of Fable maybe everything
Speaker 1: else is like Dooms releasing at the same time Ninja
Speaker 1: Guide in four, you know, so most of the the
Speaker 1: other one is it's third party, but still it's like
Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of just still weird to see that.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take a long time for
Speaker 1: it not to feel weird, especially once Halo comes and
Speaker 1: you know, somebody could technically go and play that on
Speaker 1: PS five.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: You know, I would think that the one thing that
Speaker 1: they won't do is put any of those games on
Speaker 1: Position plus or not, because then what's the point of
Speaker 1: game Pass if you're going to put it on their
Speaker 1: uh service as well? But yeah, that's the one thing
Speaker 1: that's you know, you know, you can get a cheaper
Speaker 1: on game Pass if you want, and that helps you
Speaker 1: if you still own the Xbox, which, look, the more
Speaker 1: people buy things on Playtation, you're kind of also subsidizing
Speaker 1: game Pass. So but I want to see what happens.
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to talk about their their quarterly
Speaker 1: earnings where game Pass revenue went up or their their
Speaker 1: services revenue went up by two percent obviously thanks to
Speaker 1: Call of Duty black Ops being on there. Let's see
Speaker 1: what happens when black Ops is not new, right.
Speaker 2: So this month, yeah, or last month accurate? But yeah,
Speaker 2: I assume it'll go down. I mean, the big question
Speaker 2: is by how much. I don't think it'll be like
Speaker 2: the biggest drop offs, but I think it will still
Speaker 2: be drop.
Speaker 1: I mean if they ever have a time right now
Speaker 1: when they're releasing games at the same when they're releasing
Speaker 1: games at a good clip, like you have games coming
Speaker 1: one after the other right now, to keep Call of
Speaker 1: Duty players there?
Speaker 3: This is it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: If you can't keep Yeah.
Speaker 2: What games are leasing a good clip?
Speaker 1: I mean I'm just saying one after the other, right,
Speaker 1: you got val Obviously they don't. I mean they can
Speaker 1: just like shooters and then they'll just wait till Doom perhaps,
Speaker 1: and then that's it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think like the typical Call of player
Speaker 2: or fan is going to play a vowed or is
Speaker 2: going to play Song of Midnight or So of Midnight
Speaker 2: what everything's called. Like, they want to killing and that's it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, though, just wait till May. They'll cancel
Speaker 1: and then they'll reboot in May when Doom comes out.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I think there are crossover fans that
Speaker 1: are not just Call of Duty fans. They are gamers
Speaker 1: and maybe they don't they don't they don't mess with
Speaker 1: game Pass. They didn't know game Pass existed, and they go, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: there's this game avout on there. Okay, it's an RPG,
Speaker 1: I'll play that. I'll play South and Midnight.
Speaker 2: That was cool.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know whatever, the Atom Fall that, you know,
Speaker 1: other BioShock type game that's that's coming I think at
Speaker 1: the end of March, so you know, there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot there before you even get to Doom that could
Speaker 1: keep people around. And then of course they got the
Speaker 1: Junie Showcase to tell you kind of what's coming after that.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you can't do it with a
Speaker 1: bunch of games coming, that really just kind of tells
Speaker 1: you it's always just going to be seasonal with this
Speaker 1: thing of you're gonna have a big influx in October
Speaker 1: when Call of Duty comes. The Call of Duty only people,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have people that maybe stick around
Speaker 1: more because they're gamers and they want to play some
Speaker 1: of the other stuff. So we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: Their hardware sales went down again twenty nine. That's not
Speaker 1: really surprise. Uh, their hardware is gonna keep going down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I think als of their like just sales
Speaker 1: in general went down like seven percent. I think they
Speaker 1: really only released like Call of Duty, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's still sol decently, but obviously way more on PlayStation.
Speaker 1: And uh it was the highest selling game on PlayStation,
Speaker 1: Xbox and Steam at one point.
Speaker 3: So where's the Switch version that'll come with Swiss too?
Speaker 3: I imagine for like two years then I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if if that's like I'm sure nothing will show
Speaker 3: off a Nintendo thing with that, but I bet they
Speaker 3: will also show maybe Call of Duty running with you
Speaker 3: using the mouse thing perhaps.
Speaker 2: And it'll be like plays plays Mario and kill Peach
Speaker 2: and death Match.
Speaker 1: That would be funny if like that's like there the
Speaker 1: Nintendo only mode is.
Speaker 2: So we you know, use fireballs.
Speaker 1: What what are you gonna do put Uh, we're gonna
Speaker 1: put Samus in there.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't be That wouldn't be bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's star Fox is Samus.
Speaker 2: Star Fox has a gun at least?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you don't technically have to. I mean
Speaker 1: they add like celebrities in there. They have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with guns.
Speaker 2: So you know it'll be Mario versus Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, isn't Nicki Mina's like the highest selling
Speaker 1: problem character whatever add in that game or something? So
Speaker 1: not not surprising at all with that, but look, it
Speaker 1: is what it is with Xbox and they're console sales.
Speaker 1: But at least you know the software is coming, and
Speaker 1: that's the important part. Got an interesting one though, of
Speaker 1: John Gonzalez announced on LinkedIn that he's coming back to
Speaker 1: BETHO'SA and Obsidian, but he's not gonna work on well,
Speaker 1: he's just coming to to write. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's with us, are just xbos in general, But he
Speaker 1: says it's not fall Out New Vegas too. Do you
Speaker 1: a lot of times when they announced that it's not
Speaker 1: that it winds up being that.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's in New Vegas too. I
Speaker 2: think we Fallout or some other fallout yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: But that's not coming for a lot that they start
Speaker 1: to get through Elder scrolls, like maybe he's just helping
Speaker 1: writing older scrolls six the.
Speaker 2: Mutant uh, you know, the super Mutants and Oblivion or
Speaker 2: fallow Elder scroll six, that big quest line.
Speaker 1: Do you really believe tell Howard that they that they
Speaker 1: seriously are not going to do anything Fallout related except
Speaker 1: for Fallout five all the way down the line, like
Speaker 1: that show has to have them spinning up something, right.
Speaker 2: No, not necessarily, because you can still do a lot
Speaker 2: of lot and Fallout like that's not tied to that show.
Speaker 2: Like there are plenty of other areas in the USA
Speaker 2: that aren't a part of that show.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not saying it has to be part of
Speaker 1: the I'm saying, like, man, I can't just be Fallout
Speaker 1: seventy six this entire time, right, They've got to have
Speaker 1: another Fallout game, like a more traditional Fallout game.
Speaker 2: No, I think that's a true because they're dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there is a rumored like what it
Speaker 1: Fallout three remaster or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that happen, and like, I mean
Speaker 2: they're making that oblivion then, yeah, And like I like
Speaker 2: Fallout three, I think I might prefer it over in
Speaker 2: New Vegas at least in some aspects. But like that
Speaker 2: game was kind of messy as well. So if they
Speaker 2: could kind of clean it up some and put it
Speaker 2: out and go here, here's more, you know, here's better
Speaker 2: looking Fallout three, or they could like do like a
Speaker 2: Fallout three enhanced edition and put out like, you know,
Speaker 2: a Lucy quest line somehow or tied in somehow do
Speaker 2: they you know, to the TV show. I'm like, say,
Speaker 2: they could do, but I don't think like they're gonna
Speaker 2: make fall Out five or Fallout you know Lucy edition,
Speaker 2: you know, a game devoted to her or you know
Speaker 2: whatever the dad forget the dad's name, anything like that.
Speaker 1: No, probably i'd imagine. So they're definitely not gonna do that,
Speaker 1: I think, but I would imagine that what.
Speaker 2: They could do, like it just to kind of screw
Speaker 2: it and add in like Lucy and the Super Mutant
Speaker 2: as companions like Cannon doesn't really I mean, it exists
Speaker 2: in that universe, but just you know, here's like fantasy
Speaker 2: companions and you know, have Lucy and you know, Walton
Speaker 2: Goggins just voicing basically them like their characters fun I
Speaker 2: actually wouldn't mind that. They'd be kind of funny at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could definitely see them doing that. Or you
Speaker 1: think that the show will have a spin off that
Speaker 1: it does so well, or they just stick with just
Speaker 1: doing Fallout that until it ends, or.
Speaker 2: I think they'll stick up doing that until it ends,
Speaker 2: because it's not like an old show. It's not like
Speaker 2: they're making twenty episode the season, you know, every year,
Speaker 2: like maybe like nine episodes over two years or something
Speaker 2: because that's how TV is now and it sucks, so
Speaker 2: they'll do it until Walton Doggins doesn't want to do
Speaker 2: it anymore.
Speaker 1: Probably, which hey, he was doing. He did what Justified
Speaker 1: for like four or five seasons, so.
Speaker 2: He was I think he was on there from the start. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's doing that rightful gems that just ended or
Speaker 2: you know they had like the last season now, but yeh, TV,
Speaker 2: you know, good for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he does great work. So whenever we
Speaker 1: can see him doing more, I'm happy with that. Should
Speaker 1: have noted also that they did increase their PC subscriber
Speaker 1: base by thirty percent, which you know, apparently that wasn't
Speaker 1: extremely high, so that's a good thing, and that XOS
Speaker 1: Kyle Gaming has a record one hundred and forty million
Speaker 1: hours streamed, which I'm sure that's also pushed by Call
Speaker 1: of Duty two to the people that love to play
Speaker 1: on mobile. So yeah, now you know you could play
Speaker 1: Kyle Gaming with your phone all that stuff, so that
Speaker 1: that helps there too. Ain't gonna be interesting. Also, with
Speaker 1: the critical reception of Indiana, Jones apparently had four million
Speaker 1: engaged players. If that translates to PS five, how well
Speaker 1: does that. Do you think it's going to do pretty
Speaker 1: well on psive or are you interested in it all?
Speaker 2: Or I am kind of That's kind of one game
Speaker 2: I'd like to really to play. So yeah, like I
Speaker 2: may buy it when it comes out. I don't think
Speaker 2: En does game pass, and he's talked about buying it
Speaker 2: on Xbox, having an Xbox, so he doesn't really.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, understandable. It don't need to spend the money
Speaker 1: several times for one game. That would cost you a
Speaker 1: bunch of times to do that. So right, moving on
Speaker 1: finally from Xbox, I think, oh no, just one more thing.
Speaker 1: There is an idea Xbox Showcase. Because everybody's announcing showcases
Speaker 1: this week, it looks like ida Xbox Showcase February twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: You know, Phil talked about they are happy to be
Speaker 1: supporting indies and you know keep doing that during the
Speaker 1: interview that he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah at a few weeks off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a few weeks off, but at least
Speaker 1: you know, if people are interested in the indies side
Speaker 1: of xosters, they always do a great job with that.
Speaker 1: You know, you can watch that when it happens, which
Speaker 1: they if you go read like the articles they do
Speaker 1: have the actual like companies that are going to be
Speaker 1: in there. I'm sure there'll be some surprises and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but it looks like since they went over to IGN
Speaker 1: and they do this in a better way, it doesn't
Speaker 1: go on forever and it's much better curated, because sometimes
Speaker 1: those ones they did with the Twitch streamers, my god,
Speaker 1: it felt like they would go on for like three
Speaker 1: or four hours, and I'm like, holy crap. Look, I
Speaker 1: love indies and this is part of my job to,
Speaker 1: you know, talk about this stuff, but I can't watch
Speaker 1: four hours right just after game and then doing the
Speaker 1: dev interviews and all that stuff. It's a lot that
Speaker 1: being said, moving over to devs here talking about the
Speaker 1: terrible news for devs of Bywear that.
Speaker 2: It didn't it didn't hit my twenty dollars price tag.
Speaker 2: It didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah you uh, it went out so out to like
Speaker 1: twenty five and you said that wasn't enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like more and you'll get me.
Speaker 1: The news here is that number one Gary McKay announced
Speaker 1: that they were downsizing Byewear because quote, they don't need
Speaker 1: the full staff because Mass Effect five is not even
Speaker 1: in full production or close to it. Really, it seems
Speaker 1: like uh, and that they were moving some people to
Speaker 1: other places in EAU those also they could. They didn't
Speaker 1: really talk about it. He kind of hid it in
Speaker 1: the press release or in the article or the whole
Speaker 1: thing about it, but they laid off people not only contrastors,
Speaker 1: but actual employees. That's why he said there's people that
Speaker 1: can apply to other positions with an EA if they
Speaker 1: want to, And that was his way of kind of
Speaker 1: saying that without saying it. And then also the fact
Speaker 1: that then Blueberg reports that they are they have the studio,
Speaker 1: so they went from two hundred employees working there to
Speaker 1: one hundred between the combination of laid off, pushed to
Speaker 1: have moved to another studio, right and you know, still
Speaker 1: working there. And it's just kind of really sad to
Speaker 1: see this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess as you. Questions would be like how
Speaker 2: many people worked on like Dragon Age one or Mass
Speaker 2: Effect one or two? Well that's still there, I mean,
Speaker 2: like just total was it? Was it like one hundred
Speaker 2: people or two hundred or I mean I wonder how
Speaker 2: big BIOWEAAR got. Remember they did all that stupid like
Speaker 2: rebranding for like a month or like a few weeks,
Speaker 2: like a Yeah, like biowear Victory all that ship and
Speaker 2: then quickly went away. Like you know, I've heard there
Speaker 2: were a lot of people working at biowere that were like,
Speaker 2: you know, network folks, network people like anthem folk or
Speaker 2: you know whatever. It's like, do we need really need
Speaker 2: these people still around because I Effect five ain't going
Speaker 2: to have that probably or you know, Dragon a Shirt
Speaker 2: didn't ah. I you know, when if and when Mass
Speaker 2: Effect five comes out and doesn't hit, BUYO, where is done?
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm actually worried that Mass Effect five won't hit.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it'll hit because uh, you
Speaker 2: know that studio Like I I can't comment on Veilguard,
Speaker 2: but it didn't blow it. You know, it didn't blow
Speaker 2: anyone socks off, you know, and I'm sure it didn't
Speaker 2: their last the other game. Sure Ashole didn't like Yo.
Speaker 2: They have made a good game in a long homer.
Speaker 1: You can argue that the one of the major reasons
Speaker 1: why he positioned so well is because because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that didn't like that game is because
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen was such a bad year for video games
Speaker 1: that it was like in the Game of the Year
Speaker 1: raised by default.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like that in Shadow Shadow War or
Speaker 2: Shattle Mortar and yeah, other games to be just to
Speaker 2: be named later. Yeah, you know, I really hate to
Speaker 2: say to see it, but I think Massive, I think
Speaker 2: BioWare hasn't changed flow with the times. And it's another
Speaker 2: example of like not studio is not giving people what
Speaker 2: they want, right, And it's like why you hear then
Speaker 2: or you know why?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also EA doesn't seem to know
Speaker 1: what to do with them, sure right, they are very
Speaker 1: much the as we're going to talk about with you know,
Speaker 1: another game. You know, it seems like if it's not
Speaker 1: a sports game right now, or what other thing is
Speaker 1: the TEMs or what else is it actually going well
Speaker 1: for them right now? Aside from game. It's like it
Speaker 1: really is the sports games that are carrying them because
Speaker 1: and then it helped it helped them that EH College
Speaker 1: Football twenty five did ridiculous bonkers numbers uh and and
Speaker 1: saved them from what would have been a big fantastrophe
Speaker 1: had that game not come out, because you would have
Speaker 1: just had Madden and then supposedly E Sports FC didn't
Speaker 1: do what they wanted to do, which was still ridiculous numbers.
Speaker 1: Let's let's not play around. I mean it's also I
Speaker 1: think that's their mobile stuff you know does well and whatever.
Speaker 1: But I mean most of the games that EA puts
Speaker 1: out like it's like, oh, they don't live. Oh, I
Speaker 1: mean I guess they also have split fiction coming next month,
Speaker 1: which you know that's gonna probably well. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's.
Speaker 3: Going to do.
Speaker 1: You know, it takes two type numbers, but it might
Speaker 1: do pretty well. You know, it's just right now, EYA
Speaker 1: is kind of in one of those things like they.
Speaker 4: Don't they aren't as dire as Ubisoft, but no, no, no,
Speaker 4: their desire to like focus on certain one or two
Speaker 4: specific categories to the detriment of everything else is going
Speaker 4: to not doom them, but make them so reliant on
Speaker 4: those one or two things that if they start to falter,
Speaker 4: then they're then they start.
Speaker 2: To get screwed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they also have one.
Speaker 2: They need to be diversifying, not closing ranks, and hey,
Speaker 2: sometimes that stuff will not do well. But you know
Speaker 2: that's uh dead spacing that okay, but they're crazy, you know,
Speaker 2: it should have sold twenty million copies. It's like, yo,
Speaker 2: this franchise can't support that or you know, this would
Speaker 2: never do that. The fact that it sold the hink
Speaker 2: what two million? That's yeah, good for the you know
Speaker 2: considering where that friend, well, that's.
Speaker 1: If because all they announced was the that it engaged
Speaker 1: one point five million people, and that includes people that
Speaker 1: just played the demo and did nothing else with it.
Speaker 2: Was that Dragon Age or was that dead Space?
Speaker 1: Dead Space did too?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that wasn't enough for then dead Space too.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of unannounced stuff right like and
Speaker 1: then I forgot obviously the Star Wars right, uh, Jedi
Speaker 1: survivor all that the Jedi.
Speaker 2: I think that did okay, but it didn't. I don't
Speaker 2: think it did as well as the first one, probably,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. I don't think you needed to.
Speaker 1: If you're making a point to make that game for
Speaker 1: next gen consoles like a year later, it means you
Speaker 1: need the sales right well, to me anyway, other than
Speaker 1: the fact that you already had in development you said it,
Speaker 1: why the hell not? You know, just go ahead and
Speaker 1: and you know, do it whatever. The worst thing that
Speaker 1: could happen is that, you know, we sell and I think,
Speaker 1: but like, okay, So removing the SIMS all their sports stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh and f one I guess which we'll talk about
Speaker 1: the SIMS in a second. You got Swift Swip fiction,
Speaker 1: Need for Speed mobile which wall talp I Need for
Speaker 1: Speed a little bit, plans versus Zombies three, Welcome to
Speaker 1: Zomburbia whenever that's coming.
Speaker 2: Anomber already came out once and they pulled.
Speaker 1: It back Skate whenever that comes, uh, which you know
Speaker 1: people get are getting excited about skate, so maybe that
Speaker 1: will do. Recently jed us up with the next Jedi game,
Speaker 1: the supposed Iron Man game, MASSI effect h back Panther game,
Speaker 1: another Marble game that we know nothing about other than
Speaker 1: it's a Marble game. Uh, some SIMS game that we
Speaker 1: don't really know much about, and some Steve Fukuda game.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then also they announced that Need for Speed is
Speaker 1: going on hold for a while, even though they took
Speaker 1: the time to make a bunch of extra content for Unbound, right,
Speaker 1: they took like a whole year to make content for that, uh,
Speaker 1: to let Criterion do that. And then they're basically pulling
Speaker 1: Criterion over to Battlefield, which they were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Criterion is good for. Our first persons.
Speaker 2: Have you played Black?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well people have this like fond love for Black,
Speaker 1: I feel like because it's you know, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's not what I think of either when
Speaker 1: I think of Criterion right, Like people want somebody burnout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone who played Unbound recently. That's a bad game.
Speaker 2: So make Burnout for the love of god. You know,
Speaker 2: it's been a decade, And that's another good example. You know,
Speaker 2: it would be soft and put herself like it has
Speaker 2: been over a decade since the last traditional burnout game
Speaker 2: or like you know, console burnout game, and then going like, oh.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people asking for that now, just
Speaker 1: you there's a lot of people wishing that that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then going it doesn't sell it as well
Speaker 2: as Need for Speed. It's like, yo, have you seen
Speaker 2: Neede for Speed lately? Like that's a trash fire. At
Speaker 2: least Burnout is a fun trash fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The fact that they're fitting it on hold and going, oh,
Speaker 1: we took this year to learn what people actually want
Speaker 1: form Need for Speed and now we're going to bring
Speaker 1: it back and it's going to be amazing, said Vince
Speaker 1: and Hilla and.
Speaker 2: Online only City, you know, the stupid social crap to
Speaker 2: keep trying to cram into, you know, need for speed
Speaker 2: that never goes anywhere. Yeah, just make Burnout please, for
Speaker 2: the love of God.
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Please make Burnout. I would
Speaker 1: love to see it. I would love to play it.
Speaker 1: It would be awesome. I think at this point, like
Speaker 1: I think, if you're EA, you have to do your
Speaker 1: best to make Battlefield work. You need something. You need
Speaker 1: something else that can be multiplayer focused, that can make
Speaker 1: you money. That's not just sports games that appeals to
Speaker 1: other people, not just Apex, right, not just Apex which
Speaker 1: again Respawn doing great job with that.
Speaker 2: And that's the that's the tragery. Though we already have
Speaker 2: Call Duty like Battlefield at one point, you know, it
Speaker 2: came before Call of Duty. At one point it was
Speaker 2: bigger kind of but that was like way before Cality Forehead.
Speaker 2: Like I think, I think Battlefield is a done franchise
Speaker 2: because you already have a game that does it better
Speaker 2: than you ever will. And you know, it's more, there's
Speaker 2: something that can be like new or exciting in Battlefield.
Speaker 2: You got you got two options as far as first
Speaker 2: person tutors go. Either Medal of Honor, you know, make
Speaker 2: another World War two shooter with you know, D Day
Speaker 2: looks so much more.
Speaker 1: I'm totally done with that. I'm totally done with that.
Speaker 2: Uh you should hear YenS go on and on about
Speaker 2: Medal of Honor like the old ones. Yeah, it's because
Speaker 2: it's to be soundtracks.
Speaker 1: It's like okay, And like I also wonder, like what
Speaker 1: Call of Duty is gonna do, because like, are you
Speaker 1: just gonna keep doing blackouts? Because it's like, you can't
Speaker 1: go back to World War Two. People are tired of that.
Speaker 2: But the other option, which people also want that they'll
Speaker 2: never give us apparently is titan Fall three.
Speaker 1: Yep, and they even Vince tem Pella talked about it.
Speaker 1: They'd love to make a type of all three. But
Speaker 1: because of Apex and you know, the EA wants to
Speaker 1: make money, they don't think titan Fall has the ability to.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean it's not like the past Battlefield
Speaker 2: is knocked it out of the park either. At least
Speaker 2: titan Fall at least has a unique cook like the
Speaker 2: fucking mech Like it's not here's another you know, quasi
Speaker 2: futuristic shooter or you know, modern day first person shooter
Speaker 2: where you're killing Ben Lauden or you know some of
Speaker 2: their invented Evil Guy or whatever like or hell then
Speaker 2: got Bad Company you know.
Speaker 1: Well they did, they did. They had Bad Company three recently,
Speaker 1: didn't that? Yes, I didn't do well?
Speaker 2: No, yeah remember remember Battlefield Hardline, the stupid cop game.
Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah, I wanted to like that game so
Speaker 1: much too.
Speaker 2: They got two options. Realistically, they only got one option,
Speaker 2: which is you know, titan Fall, and they're not doing it.
Speaker 2: Instead they're bringing the Corpse of Battlefield back and said,
Speaker 2: all right, I guess.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what. They also announced they're not doing
Speaker 1: as SIMS five. Yeah, but they did re release SIMS
Speaker 1: one and two r PC and guess what happened it? Oh,
Speaker 1: but he has problems because they don't have actual so
Speaker 1: like the game never had an actual digital version. They're
Speaker 1: having to basically take the disc versions of the game
Speaker 1: and like make these like digital portals kind of, so
Speaker 1: you and have the digital version of the game that
Speaker 1: now has been released on I guess the EA app
Speaker 1: or whatever it's on Steam, yeah, Steam two.
Speaker 2: So I mean here here's the problem. Yeah, these games
Speaker 2: are old, like SIMS is like or like ninety eight maybe, yes,
Speaker 2: SIMS two is like a little like I think the
Speaker 2: two thousand and two thousand and three, Yo, just release
Speaker 2: the game for the no CD crack. Here you go.
Speaker 2: We we we subcontracted to raise her and they did
Speaker 2: it up for us, and here you go.
Speaker 1: They did release it, you know, with all the DLC
Speaker 1: except for the Akia Home thing.
Speaker 2: So that's probably like a license deal, I'm sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to their credit. Like, I think it's kind of cool
Speaker 2: because yeah, these games aren't available digitally, and yeah, they
Speaker 2: evoke more nostalgia and interest in SIMS three are definitely
Speaker 2: some sour.
Speaker 1: I mean they're just like EA is very and that
Speaker 1: there are people that just sit there. That's all they
Speaker 1: do is for the SIMS.
Speaker 2: I think the problem though with them going like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're not going to make SIMS five. It's like, yo,
Speaker 2: the SIMS four ain't exactly a new game. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: so how long can you how long can you bleed
Speaker 2: people dry or you know, like have this old ass
Speaker 2: engine still.
Speaker 1: Still they can keep making expansions, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at a certain point that even even like
Speaker 2: SIMS player, you know, look at Wow, like after ten
Speaker 2: years they eventually had to do an engine up. Great
Speaker 2: yeh know. So yeah, I think it's like, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying they got to put like all scheam ahead on
Speaker 2: SIMS five, but they should have some group wherever maxis
Speaker 2: the corpse of Maxis is or you know, uh working
Speaker 2: on something like sim cyber related or like you know,
Speaker 2: the SIMS or the SIMS something, you know, some stupid
Speaker 2: subtitle like Regrowth or Bourne or something like that. It's
Speaker 2: four two Craig, I got that, I got, I got that,
Speaker 2: and Dark Spoor on on Steam.
Speaker 1: All right, we move on from EA here to talk
Speaker 1: about PlayStation.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Flightstation is having their own uh things going on right now.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that we talked about this last week
Speaker 1: about would ever be your percussions uh for what's going
Speaker 1: on with the live service and cancel and that stuff,
Speaker 1: and then we do just out of blue. Well not,
Speaker 1: but this kind of announced it that it's a whole
Speaker 1: shuffle going on. So it's not only just the CEO
Speaker 1: Sony and Rapting Entertainment. They changed the CEO of Sony proper,
Speaker 1: Hiroki to Toky is now the CEO of Sony, and
Speaker 1: then Hidieki Nahino is now the only CEO of Sundy
Speaker 1: out the entertainment Herman Hoolst goes back to his old
Speaker 1: position as CEO of PlayStation studios. The idea is that
Speaker 1: now he doesn't have to deal with the business crap
Speaker 1: and he can just go back to just managing the studios.
Speaker 1: Anybody that knows business, that is a demotion because I'm
Speaker 1: assuming he doesn't get paid as much as the Chino.
Speaker 2: Right, but he doesn't need to know about alloy some
Speaker 2: more in creative meetings, so maybe maybe he wants that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's also but you know, Japanese takeover again
Speaker 1: of Sony after being kind of like European led for
Speaker 1: a while since Jim Ryan and even before them and
Speaker 1: New House all that stuff. So do you think this
Speaker 1: really means anything or is.
Speaker 2: It all this kind of like I think that in
Speaker 2: the short term it doesn't mean much, but I think
Speaker 2: in the long term, like the only life service game
Speaker 2: we're ever going to get is that Horizon thing, and
Speaker 2: even now, I'd say that's probably pretty shaky.
Speaker 1: I think fair Games is coming, And then I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want that for the developers. I don't want
Speaker 1: that for the studios just because they have failing means
Speaker 1: they're gonna get laid off. But I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if that doesn't do well. Right, Yeah, Horizon might be
Speaker 1: the one that they're really hoping because it does have
Speaker 1: a world that you could technically people might want to
Speaker 1: be in and do do that game, do Survival Horizon.
Speaker 2: You know, they'll pitch it as like like Robot Monster
Speaker 2: Hunter exactly Monster. Yeah, it's not. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: quite designed like that. And then I don't. I just
Speaker 2: don't think like the property is interesting, interesting enough for
Speaker 2: that they're like really good, like the ground swell with
Speaker 2: people that it needs. That's free to play, and that case,
Speaker 2: go for it. But if it's like twenty bucks or
Speaker 2: forty bucks something like, Nope, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure that it will be a full it might.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be free. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that one will at least charge because
Speaker 1: it's got the Horizon ay on it. I could see
Speaker 1: them trying to do. Maybe they go back and fair
Speaker 1: Games is free.
Speaker 2: Yah.
Speaker 1: The idea was that fair Games and Marathon are both
Speaker 1: supposed to be they're gonna make you pay, but.
Speaker 2: I think I think the marathon's done also.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we'll see because they're still working on that Gummy
Speaker 1: Bears game, which is supposed to be like a you know,
Speaker 1: a mobia that is gonna try to ape something Fortnite
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, looks like it kind of looks
Speaker 1: like Fortnite. We'll see. I don't think that that's you know,
Speaker 1: I hate to see these things come out and just bomb.
Speaker 1: I really wouldn't. That wouldn't be great at all for
Speaker 1: the developers. I don't think Sony really needs any more
Speaker 1: of these things to bomb. I think that at this
Speaker 1: point they're just so far long that they can't cancel them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then that leads to that, like I would
Speaker 2: rather they cancel it now, then waste another year and
Speaker 2: then they have it come out and be disastrous, for
Speaker 2: more disastrous than to stuff right now.
Speaker 1: I do think we see, perhaps, you know, again, some
Speaker 1: of this shift will start to happen where perhaps they
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna do the state of play that's
Speaker 1: supposed to gonna happen this week or maybe next week.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that will be stuff that's already been announced.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be anything. I don't know that there's
Speaker 1: gonna be anything shocking, uh in there. But I would
Speaker 1: say that. I wouldn't be surprised if they're really already
Speaker 1: starting to ramp up, like hey, you know you're doing this,
Speaker 1: You're doing that, You're doing this, like we're you know,
Speaker 1: we're going back to what we used to do. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna waste time making you know, Polticplarer games that
Speaker 1: we're not good at. Maybe somebody gets a light to
Speaker 1: try to bring back some of the one of these
Speaker 1: shooter franchises. I don't know, somebody else would have to
Speaker 1: do it, right, because we're not gonna Gorilla and which
Speaker 1: who's the other studio that kills him? I can't think
Speaker 1: right now, Or no, Gorilla did kills them? Whoever did Resistance? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not Sucker Punch, it's the other one that I whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's Sonia, that's right. We just talked
Speaker 1: about them last week. Uh so, yeah, somebody else would
Speaker 1: have to do it, But it would be cool if
Speaker 1: somebody decided to bring that back, just to bring back
Speaker 1: a series where maybe they start something new, just to
Speaker 1: have something different on the outside of just the Francis
Speaker 1: you already know, and just keep doing sequels for them.
Speaker 1: But you know, they did.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They they did go and go after was Atlance McDonald
Speaker 1: for having that Bloodborne sixty fps patch. Yeah, maybe we're
Speaker 1: finally getting the Bloodborne remaster wanted.
Speaker 2: I don't think I think everyone wants it so they
Speaker 2: want deliver it.
Speaker 1: I think they just people keep wishing that in existence.
Speaker 2: That's my that's my mantra.
Speaker 1: So uh. They did also make some changes here. As
Speaker 1: soon as this was announced, they also had a blog
Speaker 1: post announcing some one of them. Both of them make
Speaker 1: total sense, but one of them makes the most sense
Speaker 1: because eventually you're going to move on from the PS
Speaker 1: four but with the announcement of the position plus the
Speaker 1: central games which this this month's or not anything in
Speaker 1: the write home about paid a three high on Life,
Speaker 1: which was on game Pass when it first came out
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and it was fine, it was
Speaker 1: funny even, but I don't know it's going to do
Speaker 1: great on Position and then packround we'll repack.
Speaker 2: But yeah, go ahead, what was that first one?
Speaker 1: Uh high on Life and a three?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell me they're going to play that.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not it's but no. I mean the thing
Speaker 1: that they announced on this is that starting in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six, they will no longer have it has to
Speaker 1: be a PS four game as a requirement. Obviously, it
Speaker 1: makes more sense at that point, are you still I'm
Speaker 1: sure that you're still making You might still be making
Speaker 1: PS four games, but that's definitely gonna be way like
Speaker 1: it's going to be just the games that you would
Speaker 1: expect at that point, right at the sports games, you know,
Speaker 1: those kind of things that, Okay, let's just keep them around.
Speaker 1: I think this is the first edition of the w
Speaker 1: W two K series. It's not going to have Xbox
Speaker 1: one and PS four support also, so we're starting to
Speaker 1: move move away from that, which they should really. It's
Speaker 1: come on, man, we're getting five years into the the
Speaker 1: life cycle. I get that people are still playing PS fours,
Speaker 1: but they can still do that to play Fortnite and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Move the new games onto something else.
Speaker 1: The other one that made a lot more sense. It
Speaker 1: should have been done from the beginning when they first
Speaker 1: announced these this big push to make PC games, make
Speaker 1: the single player sony games and even the multiplayer ones
Speaker 1: for that matter, on put them on PSN on PC.
Speaker 1: Is to not have the PSN requirement because there are
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy countries they cannot sell the game
Speaker 1: in because they don't have PSN, So you're you're limiting
Speaker 1: the amount of people that can buy the game, which
Speaker 1: makes no sense at all. Don't you want the most
Speaker 1: people to be able to buy the game possible? So
Speaker 1: they were starting with the release of Marvels five Man two,
Speaker 1: which apparently is not great, has a lot of problems.
Speaker 1: Right now, God of ward Rydingerrock, Haridan Deodano Remastered Last
Speaker 1: of Us Parton be Mastered just releasing April third, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. Are not gonna no longer require the PSN
Speaker 1: log in, I imagine they will probably if any of
Speaker 1: the any older games did, they might just secretly remove
Speaker 1: it or just remove it without really making a big
Speaker 1: fuss about it, right, And then what they did was
Speaker 1: they may gave you bonuses for if you do have
Speaker 1: PSN and you log in.
Speaker 2: That's what I said they should do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did say that, And that's exactly give someone
Speaker 1: to be a reason to do it, because instead of
Speaker 1: locking out people from buying the game, just hey, go
Speaker 1: get you that. Spider Man twenty ninety nine, Black Suit
Speaker 1: and the Miles Morales twenty nine nine suit. You know,
Speaker 1: get to some points in Last Most Part two and
Speaker 1: Jordan's jacket and from Intergalactic as a skin for Ellie,
Speaker 1: which that's cool, you know, good give people a reason
Speaker 1: to do that, and you know people had to get
Speaker 1: pissed to have it removed from hold Divers too. You know,
Speaker 1: don't need to do all that. Just give your games
Speaker 1: that come to PC good press. Obviously they need to
Speaker 1: be good ports, which that's a problem you know for
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: So it's really telling that people are off and I'm
Speaker 2: dragged about this. They didn't care that much when games
Speaker 2: are that awful game prone of live bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, you know, more people that are
Speaker 1: playing on PC nowadays. You know, he is the fastest
Speaker 1: rising you know, video games place to play.
Speaker 2: So you didn't get your two thousand dollars fifty ninety
Speaker 2: from in video.
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And now with these tariffs, I don't know. I planned
Speaker 1: to get a new laptop at some point this year.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they that's going to raise the
Speaker 1: price of even the older the stuff that's not like
Speaker 1: brand new. That's great speaking of older things, though they're
Speaker 1: doing it. Mark, They're removing these thirtieth anniversary themes, but
Speaker 1: they're come back, I guess.
Speaker 2: I assume that I assume that they may open just
Speaker 2: like a theme store, which I should have done at
Speaker 2: the start.
Speaker 1: Also, not just that I think there was problems with them. Uh,
Speaker 1: several of them, like would cover up all of the
Speaker 1: the art, the cover art for the video, the actual
Speaker 1: games that you do own.
Speaker 2: It weren't.
Speaker 1: They weren't as cool as they could have been, and
Speaker 1: where a lot of we're kind of mainly just subtrusive,
Speaker 1: to the point where I just kept it on the
Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary one because it's like, as much as I
Speaker 1: want to see that, it's just and hear the little
Speaker 1: bloops and boops and whatever it's I think.
Speaker 2: And it was fine.
Speaker 1: The PS three one was cool too, had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun memories of that. Hey, when I add up
Speaker 1: the adding the boot animations again, I'm gonna say that
Speaker 1: it would be cool if they all had their own
Speaker 1: boot animation and give us those big memories. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: not just the PS one, which is obviously great, just
Speaker 1: be cool if we could could have. Yeah, sadly lost
Speaker 1: the time I did mention that there's gonna be supposedly
Speaker 1: Valentine's Week, there's gonna be a uh state of play,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what they announced there.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I imagine it's probably gains we already kind of know about.
Speaker 1: They might be like one surprise there, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to be that must be most state
Speaker 1: of plays, right, just some things and maybe a big announcement.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where they show more deathtrating too. But hey,
Speaker 1: also Capcom is doing their own spotlight tomorrow basically or
Speaker 1: today whenever you're hearing this.
Speaker 2: Perhaps another game compilation.
Speaker 1: Uh there there, you're gonna get to see more of
Speaker 1: Vonnie moush Away the Sword, which that's cool. I want
Speaker 1: to see more of that, uh Frier six apparently Capcom
Speaker 1: Finding Collection too, Marvel's Capcom Finding Collection, Arcade Classics also, Uh.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I wish they wouldn't. I get why they do
Speaker 1: it right, They don't want people getting overly excited about
Speaker 1: what could be on there. But it's give us some
Speaker 1: reason and good hypes. And then also Monster Hunter Wilds
Speaker 1: is going to have its own showcase because obviously that
Speaker 1: game is coming at the end of this month. It's
Speaker 1: the biggest game coming out of this month or a
Speaker 1: Capcom is hoping that they will remake. They will make
Speaker 1: the money that they have not yet made so far
Speaker 1: in these quarters with Monster Hunter Wilds coming before the
Speaker 1: end of the fiscals, so they will writing Monster You
Speaker 1: think they're gonna make it? For sure, it's gonna sell,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be oh yeah, yeah, the god all the
Speaker 1: people that got into Worlds are definitely gonna come back
Speaker 1: with wild now.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: Even more announcements, because you know, the inevitable has been
Speaker 1: announced Summer Game Festive. It's also going to happen June sixth,
Speaker 1: two hour Summer Game FESTIVAC kickoff show with Jeff Keeley
Speaker 1: at the YouTube Theater. That's no du They are going
Speaker 1: to have that Playdazz thing for the media from June
Speaker 1: seventh to the ninth and Downtown LA. But now this
Speaker 1: year they've added a business to business event curated by
Speaker 1: former Games Industry Dot biz boss Christopher Dring. Big journalists
Speaker 1: there for them. Okay, that's cool. We're slowly slowly morphing
Speaker 1: it into you know, kind of E three yeah thing.
Speaker 1: You think we'll get some surprise announcements out of the
Speaker 1: thing that you know, some companies met that wouldn't meet otherwise,
Speaker 1: because that's what happened to E three. I think we're
Speaker 1: going to get something like that or just this is
Speaker 1: just Jeff Keeley trying to slowly make this into E three.
Speaker 2: That maybe we'll finally get some hot you know, Queen
Speaker 2: or Square and Croject City Project, Red Queen's Blood and whatever,
Speaker 2: the stupid card game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, why not? You know, since the USA said
Speaker 1: that they're not gonna arb Becky three, why not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot that much. The USA did actually speak for
Speaker 1: that tariffs thing. They said that, you know, it's albums
Speaker 1: in the industry obviously, Yeah, because it's gonna to make
Speaker 1: everybody raise prices. It makes sense, hurts their publishers that
Speaker 1: they're representing, makes sense.
Speaker 2: There only there's a tariff on golf clubs and Tanning Solution.
Speaker 1: Multi Versus is finally going down. Mark Season five will
Speaker 1: be the last one. It's going till like May thirtieth,
Speaker 1: and then that's it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Uh, of course people are, and I think they're rightly
Speaker 1: up They rightly have a reason to be upset with
Speaker 1: a founder's pack thing, like you promise certain characters right
Speaker 1: in that thing that never he came and they paid
Speaker 1: for that, So I understand that in a way of
Speaker 1: being upset, but uh as always gets brought up and
Speaker 1: uh whoever brought this up? Also, I think one of
Speaker 1: the one of the devs said that, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna start threatening us then.
Speaker 2: Across the line or something. Yeah, uh, I get a
Speaker 2: refund to move on, or you know, argue with Sony
Speaker 2: or Steam or Xbox and you can probably not get
Speaker 2: a full refund, but maybe a partial one. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: did download it on XU, PC and Steam or pcn
Speaker 2: PS three or PS five, not uh, just to have
Speaker 2: because of one they do yank it.
Speaker 1: It's not delisted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good. And the fact that like your
Speaker 2: starting character is fucking Shaggy like makes it not really
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 1: It was novel in its moment to have Shaggy be
Speaker 1: because you're supposed to have more characters aside from that, right,
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna have these school characters that you actually
Speaker 1: want to play.
Speaker 2: And are all locked.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing is like you sit it down
Speaker 2: what Marvel Heroes did back in the day and like
Speaker 2: give you like it hesitutorial. So it's like, okay, make
Speaker 2: the tutorial longer and like make it. How do you
Speaker 2: cycle through a few different characters, right, shaggy joker, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, and then give you like one chit or
Speaker 2: one credit like okay, pick like you can pick whoever
Speaker 2: you want. Is that you're tarting character not have to
Speaker 2: be shaggy, you know, Like, yeah, agree with that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that thing is always kind of doing to
Speaker 2: fail even without you know, smash for this obviously doesn't help.
Speaker 2: But there's a game with double it's not triple the
Speaker 2: damn roster that has better mechanics. Yo, what are you?
Speaker 2: How do you compete with that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think the writing was on the wall
Speaker 1: when they yanked it the first time. Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: it didn't come back to the same people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, they yanked it and then they brought it back,
Speaker 2: and then people were complaining they it wasn't good as
Speaker 2: good back then. That's not great, Like that's that's going
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction, you know. Yeah, imb, here's a
Speaker 2: shitty game. We're gonna pull it and then it'll come
Speaker 2: back a year later. Now it's more and now it's
Speaker 2: more shitty.
Speaker 1: It's like no, like, yeah, I mean that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they because they had to put more monetization stuff in there.
Speaker 2: They you know, you know at that point, I didn't
Speaker 2: have it just paying thirty bucks or sixty bucks and
Speaker 2: doing it on a bullshit. But that's so that's always
Speaker 2: my take on something like that.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it's I mean, Wanner brothers in there.
Speaker 1: Their agreed with trying to make everything live service, and
Speaker 1: we know how that's turned out. We talked about that
Speaker 1: a million times. I feel like, uh, but they're suffering
Speaker 1: for it. Hopefully all of these failures will get them
Speaker 1: to look, I get everything can be a single player,
Speaker 1: but like tone it down, understand what works and what
Speaker 1: doesn't for these franchises that you do want to keep around,
Speaker 1: and you know, stop trying to make them into things
Speaker 1: that they're not.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So moving on from that here. Also, I also got
Speaker 1: to mention that that Will Be the Show is not
Speaker 1: gonna be on game Pass this year. I think that
Speaker 1: was a three year deal. It has now ended. I
Speaker 1: guess that feels like it does well enough on its
Speaker 1: own that it doesn't need game Pass or probably also
Speaker 1: Mark something want to pay money right to have it
Speaker 1: on there. So now you got to buy and Will
Speaker 1: Be the Show on Xbox. They're gonna lose lot of
Speaker 1: players obviously because a lot of people will try it
Speaker 1: out because they yeah, so that's one thing. Now you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a little people playing, but maybe more people
Speaker 1: on Xbox will actually pay the seventy dollars now to
Speaker 1: own it and whatever. The probably not a lot. It
Speaker 1: not that they don't buy any but there's you know,
Speaker 1: there's just there's certain games that they buy and it
Speaker 1: is what is else GDC Awards got announced. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through this. This whole list.
Speaker 1: Their Game of the Year is pretty much the ones
Speaker 1: you would think, uh as Bellotro Black with Wukong, Hollo, Diversity,
Speaker 1: Found Fence and Rebirth and metap for Fantasia. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see who wins when they finally announce all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh but again just unfortunately, like theirs tend to kind
Speaker 1: of reflect more. You know, it's it's a game developers,
Speaker 1: so they kind of do tend to like move around
Speaker 1: differently from what Game Awards or some other ones the
Speaker 1: outlet ones do, especially because it's like a lot of
Speaker 1: Astro Black with Wukong in here. So we'll see winds
Speaker 1: up winning. Also, did you see the the cover art
Speaker 1: for this, uh, dan Hauserd's of Sir Adventures thing, just
Speaker 1: like the picture and yeah, the picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really care. I don't think it'll necessarily happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to make basically like a multi venture
Speaker 1: strategy here of having like an animated show. It seems
Speaker 1: like with these characters, some of them look like GTA characters.
Speaker 5: Obviously it worked well for that section nine thing or
Speaker 5: what the hell we'll just call that bond right, yeah,
Speaker 5: last time, Yeah, Theamco thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, if anybody no understands that a bit more,
Speaker 1: I would say, dan Hauser has a bit more going
Speaker 1: on with that. Then I would say, like Van Namco
Speaker 1: would knows on the anime side, but aside from that,
Speaker 1: and then even then, right, they know anime well, but
Speaker 1: they keep making all these like arena fighters that don't
Speaker 1: do well. Yeah, you know, so it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: I just don't get it where that goes. But I mean,
Speaker 1: with the the different characters that they showed off in
Speaker 1: this thing, at least you know, there's varied enough in
Speaker 1: here that I could see it like they could have
Speaker 1: some weird show with this. I guess.
Speaker 2: Well, let's just let's just briefly talk about the adaptations
Speaker 2: because young but yeah, you mentioned or uh whatever, Well.
Speaker 1: So there's three of them beyond two souls is getting Uh,
Speaker 1: it's actually Elliott Page has returned, uh to she got
Speaker 1: the he I'm sorry, Elliott Page, he got the rights
Speaker 1: for this. Elliott Page was different, uh, in a different
Speaker 1: state right during they were filming this. And also it's
Speaker 1: weird because, like I guess, in a way, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you get to bring that trauma back to this and
Speaker 1: perhaps you know, doing the series will will help you know,
Speaker 1: the acting and all that with with bringing that trauma back.
Speaker 1: But it's like Elliot Pheas doesn't seemed to have It's
Speaker 1: like there was more negative stuff being said about behind
Speaker 1: the scenes for this than positive.
Speaker 2: Making the movie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: And I also don't think they all star in the
Speaker 2: movie either, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, do you think that this hasn't I mean,
Speaker 1: Last of Us basically took the Last of Us and
Speaker 1: put it into a TV show. Do you think that,
Speaker 1: like essentially taking a lot of basically the game and
Speaker 1: putting that into a movie, do you think that that will.
Speaker 2: Work or it could? I mean I think I should
Speaker 2: think you get like Willam dfell, but I don't think
Speaker 2: for a few different reasons. Now Elliott Page will be
Speaker 2: able to play a teenage girl on the run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do they get somebody else?
Speaker 2: What's uh, what's the girl from the Last plus doing
Speaker 2: these days? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe no they get here to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other one. You can even talk about Slipping
Speaker 2: Dogs and I'll talk about Expedition thirty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, expissly thirty three is or Sleeping Dogs. So it's
Speaker 1: funny because right if we're gonna do the show. Last
Speaker 1: week there was rumors going around about Sleeping Dogs being dead.
Speaker 1: Donnie Yen had basically said that I spent eight years
Speaker 1: doing everything for this movie, like you know, talking with producers,
Speaker 1: putting in my own money, doing drafts, getting the rights whatever.
Speaker 1: This is dead right, and then out of nowhere, like
Speaker 1: it seems like not too long after, Uh, Simmy Lou
Speaker 1: basically just goes none at all. I'm still working to
Speaker 1: get it to actually exist. And then he also wants
Speaker 1: her to be a Sibylock too, which I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people that like sibs would love for that.
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think movie could happen. I
Speaker 2: think the problem is, well, he mentioned like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: people want him to maybe start in the movie, but
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I want will Young Lee to do it.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yo, he's he's kind of old. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know you can pull out a thirty year
Speaker 2: old man anymore. I mean, I don't. I think like
Speaker 2: the guy some dogs might even supposed to be like
Speaker 2: younger technically. Yeah, it's like I don't. I don't see
Speaker 2: how that's gonna work.
Speaker 1: But sure, I feel like he's got to have some
Speaker 1: kind of you know, it's a small role, he's like
Speaker 1: gonna be in there somewhere. They can they can promote
Speaker 1: that he's in it, because ye, he'll bring.
Speaker 2: People in the movie. I'll bring up the Expedition thirty
Speaker 2: three one because it got uh it was like, uh,
Speaker 2: story Kitchen is supposed to be making it. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: the producers, the Sonic, they're doing that turmb Raider thing.
Speaker 2: But the thing that broke me a little was this
Speaker 2: was like a PC game article that saw was like
Speaker 2: the tagline is from the folks behind the turmader and
Speaker 2: just cause adaptations, and my hand raised and I was
Speaker 2: like what just caused adaptation like nobody that never came out,
Speaker 2: like that never got made and then you know, fine,
Speaker 2: no it's bad or you know, it was marginally better
Speaker 2: than like the Angelina Jolay ones.
Speaker 1: But I don't know a lot of people still like
Speaker 1: those ANGELI once a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people like her. That's the thing. They don't like them.
Speaker 2: They don't like the movie. They did like her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but see I hate these like stupid you know, oh
Speaker 2: we get the rights to this thing or you know
Speaker 2: my kind of I mean article is, yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 2: that medical to solid adaptation.
Speaker 1: And I think they're trying to time it to where
Speaker 1: like it's gonna come like not that far. It's still
Speaker 1: going to kind of try to come this year.
Speaker 2: Also like that's way too stick and that no, that
Speaker 2: that ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's like okay, I mean, look, I'm fine with it,
Speaker 1: Like maybe announced it after the game has been out.
Speaker 1: Let's see how it does well.
Speaker 2: They're banking being a good story, so it's like you
Speaker 2: better hope than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does have cinematic qualities to it
Speaker 1: when I look when when they keep showing it, it
Speaker 1: does feel like something they could have been a movie, right,
Speaker 1: so I could see it, and I mean story Kitchen
Speaker 1: doing it. It's fine. Also, you know, kudos to them
Speaker 1: and everybody with Sonic. Sonic three broke the record to
Speaker 1: break t the Pikachu's record. They're now firmly the second
Speaker 1: selling box office draw for video game movies. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's uh the interesting tale. The more video game
Speaker 1: movie adaptations this week, I feel like that has been
Speaker 1: it also, just really quick, because you know, we ended
Speaker 1: with the same thing every week, A big game this
Speaker 1: week coming out tomorrow or coming out in about an
Speaker 1: hour kenu Cunoliverance two. It's getting really good reviews so
Speaker 1: not but yeah, yeah, people that I've reviewed it to
Speaker 1: are liking it. Said with the Necro Dancer, Big hum
Speaker 1: One Heroes both coming out. Also go check out rest
Speaker 1: the nicro Dancer for sure. I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: it for this week. I also said, meres A SIB
Speaker 1: seven also has reviews out and they're really great too,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that's uh, you're already asking for that
Speaker 1: code already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked Adam. I don't know if it'll get
Speaker 2: it or not, but mostly hopefully.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's pretty much it for this week.
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for watching, listening. We'll see y'all later.
Speaker 1: Until next time, Bye,