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Speaker 1: It is a Big twelve SEC breakdown tip of Joe

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coach Bawl and for Thomas Bridges this week with a

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comprehensive look at Big twelve and the SEC. And this

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week we're gonna look at the Big twelve at SEC

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teams in the playoffs. Also talking about Trappis Hunter winning

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the Heisman and Rich Rock now the new head coach

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at West Virginia. We'll discuss all those things kind of

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rapid fire, real quick. We begin with our hot takes

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as we do each and every week, and uh, my

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hot take this week, Uh, I'm gonna go looking at

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the playoff route of things, and Bau I will say

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with with my hot take this week the direction that

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I'm gonna go. I've been thinking about this and and

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I really like what Tennessee can do against Ohio State.

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You and I were talking about it. I just think

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that there's something there that Hypool and Nico and and

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these guys, there's there's an opportunity for this team to

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really just kind of shake things up. And I would

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be surprised if if they got past Oregon and if

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they made it the semi final of the National Championship.

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But to me, that that's the one that says watch out. Like,

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to me, that's just a for Ohio State if they

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were to take on anyone in this first round outside

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of Texas. I think for Ohio State vote that's the

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last team they wanted to face was Tennessee. Of those

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first round teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I can't see what you're saying there. Yeah,

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I think if you look at that bracket, you go, well, yeah,

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if you're Ohio State, it's a super athletic team you're playing.

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I think that, I mean, be in the eighth seed.

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but I don't think any of the team's below that.

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You know, Indiana, SMU, Clemson. Yeah, you really not want

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to play Tennessee. I think of the teams that are

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the top four, I think a couple of them are

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still better. I think if you're Ohio, stated rather to play

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Tennessee than Texas, Tennessee, Penn State, I'd rather play. I'd

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rather play Notre Dame than Tennessee. But I do think

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that Tennessee will mattm atholticisms. I don't I don't dislike

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to take there. I like Ohio State in that game,

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as we talked about earlier, But I see where your

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goal with that, and I could see a way more

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than anything. I like what josh Hipel's doing there, so

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that would be I think it's not a terrible take.

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I don't think it's a I don't think it's a

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bad take at all. I just don't. To me, I

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don't necessarily agree. I think I like Ohio State's too

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much case.

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Speaker 1: Bo. I'm so confident in the direction that Tennessee is

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going with josh Hipel, with with where they're at and

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everything and how they've been building this, doing this the

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right way. It won't be this year, but I do

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think at some point in time Tennessee's day will come.

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Josh Hipel is going to win a national championship at

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Tennessee at some point in time. Might be five years

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from now, it might be ten years from now, but

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there is I think there was something going right that

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we haven't seen there since Philip Palmer was there in

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the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Philip, I'm only won one. Yeah, and

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did you know he didn't win it with Peyton Manny.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the year accurate team with Martin, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Team Martin the quarterback the year after Peyton Manny left.

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You know, I don't I don't disagree with that as well.

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these teams, whether it's Florida traditionally like a Florida, like

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an LSU, like a Tennessee, that they had that one

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spectacular year and may make that magical run. You know,

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Auburn had one of those at cam Newton a number

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of years ago. Yeah, I can see that happening with

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Josh Snipeley. He's good enough a coach. They have a

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commitment at Tennessee within I L and money and and

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what you need to have to be successful. So I

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don't disagree with that either. I can see them having

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that magical year, especially with the Boogeyman not in Alabama

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any more. You know, if you could have a year

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and not face Georgia at a championship game. I can

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see that being something that a Tennessee could take advantage

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Speaker 1: All right, both give me a hot take Big twelve

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or SEC related what direction you want to go?

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna go back to the Comfotball Playoff two.

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I think Arizona State makes the College Football National Championship game.

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Speaker 1: So, just so people are aware, we're what we would

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be talking about of their potential path here, this is

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what would be ahead for Arizona State, just so everybody's

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on the same page. They would take on the winner

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of Clemston, Texas. Obviously we expect them to be Texas,

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and then they would take on the winner of either Oregon,

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Ohio State, or Tennessee, which we expect to be Oregan,

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but any and those three would be tough. And then

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of course a national championship after that against likely Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So well, I think if you look at it, okay,

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so here's my argument. You don't have to face Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: Oregon, right you face yeah, because.

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Speaker 2: Tennessee are one of the limited the other one I

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think Ohio State limited Tennessee, and then I think Ohio

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State and Oregon ends up being one of those punching

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matches like it was the first time they played each other.

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They just go back and forth, they beat each other up. Meanwhile,

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I think Arizona State they got to buy. Then I

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think they get a second buy because I think Texas

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does beat Clemson, but I think Arizona State's gonna beat

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Texas and I don't think it go out, but I

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don't think it's gonna be this huge, like knockdown dragon

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like Ohio State. Oregon it's gonna be. And I think

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that that's the team, and I think it's the Oregon

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that beats Ohio State. But then from there, I think

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that you're gonna have that one game where Oregon is

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not gonna be great. And I think Arizona State's team

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it's hot enough to play a little bit of defense

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and has an offense that can outscore you. And so

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that's why I'm gonna take my hot take is an

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Arizona State wins that side of the bracket and we

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see Arizona State versus Georgia for the national championship.

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Speaker 1: So that leads us into our next conversation of talking

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about the playoff paths for the Big twelve at SEC

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teams with Arizona State. Here is we've kind of already

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talked about their path of sorts, but this would be

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my one concern about Arizona State, and that is not

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having Jordan Tyson, their top receiver who had over eleven

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hundred yards. He is out for the entire playoff. Obviously,

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they look good without him. In the Big Twelve Championship,

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their offense was fantastic. Anyway, Scataboo has been great, Levin's

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been great. But you know, as I see them potentially

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taking out of Texas, potentially taking out in Oregon here,

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for me. When does it finally hit them where they're

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like And it could be in your case you mentioned

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the National Championship where it finally happens, could be in

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this quarterfinal on the Beach Bowl where they're sitting there

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saying themselves, damn, we wish we had Jordan Tyson right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, Sam Levit's played really

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well this season, you know, but what they do is

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they minimize his touches, they minimize what he has to

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do to win games. Yeah, that when they do need

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him to play well to win, he does. And I

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think that that's where that piece to me is kind

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of is kind of forgivable because that run game is

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so good, Scotty Dow's so great, and they use him

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in some interesting ways. To me, I think that the

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quarterback doesn't turn the ball over much. He's only had

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one interception in the last five games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm looking at it going, Okay, Oregon's gonna turn

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the ball over a little bit. You're gonna have teams

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make mistakes. We've seen if Ohio State team to be target,

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we've seen them turn the ball over a lot this year.

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Speaker 3: This Arizona State team, I guess I'll get the last

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month they've been I don't want to call them unbeatable,

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but they've just been very very good and continue to

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do what they have to do every week to win.

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Speaker 2: And they don't do it in spectacular fashion. They just

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beat you. They're just bludgeing you. Yeah, and their defense

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isn't bad. I mean they don't give up a lot

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of points. They haven't. They haven't given up more than

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thirty points since the UCF game back in early November.

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Arizona at Arizona BYU Case State. These are all teams

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to score points throughout the year, and I just look

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at it going. I like what Arizona State's done. They're

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healthy at the right time, They've got this this sweep

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of momentum. If there's gonna be a team that's gonna

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ride away with momentum, I think it's them, And I

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think that that path can be done.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk Texas's path. Now, you get Clemson and then

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you potentially take then you would take on Arizona State,

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and then you know Oregon Tennessee or Ohio State and

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the semi final and then a national championship. Question I

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have about Texas bo We've really only seen Texas look

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great twice this year against two pretty mediocre teams in

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Michigan and Oklahoma. It's about the only time we've seen

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Texas look great this year. Yeah, And what I would

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say is, you know, obviously the health of Quinn is

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a bit concern, and you know this two quarterback thing

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with Arch and all this whatever. But where my concern

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is the team that we saw back against Michigan against Oklahoma.

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back then, or is this who they've been the entire time.

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a record better than eight and four all season long.

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were in early in the season, or they've just been

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exposed recently. I think it's one of those two.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know that it's I don't know they're

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as good as they were at the beginning of the year.

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I think at the beginning of the year they just

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had something going. I look at it now and I go, okay, man.

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was kind of the coming out party, but we saw

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how bad Michigan was for most of this season. Especially,

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they weren't Michigan level. You know, they had the big

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Minnigan's Oklahoma. Oklahoma has been bad. That's been a bad team.

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that in that situation the most the best win for

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them is going to A and M and winning, And

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they only scored seventeen points with their defense did hold

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a and m A seven and that's the best thing

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to beat. That's the one, eight and fourteenth they've beaten.

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You know, I look at it and go, well, okay.

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score some points on good teams are gonna score points

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on them. And the quarterback situation is Quinn. You we

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ares healthy, he's got the foot issue, and we're seeing that.

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They don't believe he's fully able to carry this load

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right now. Otherwise Archie Manney wouldn't be out there. It's

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almost like again you know my saying, if you have

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two quarterbacks, you got no quarterbacks, And that to me

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is a big deal. I just I've only seen it

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work one time. The one time I saw in college

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football work was University of Florida. It was Chris Lake

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Chris Leak his senior year with Tebow as a freshman,

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and that was because they had the whole change of offense.

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you think about that, even if they had Christlin at

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quarterback the whole time, the would have won a national title.

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I mean, it was just a ridiculously talented too, but

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that's not what Texas is. There's talent, there's NFL talent,

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and they are Textas with the all the NIL money

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and great coaching. I think Stark's done a really good job.

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I just don't think that this team right now is better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Next year is the year where I go, that's a

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team arch Manny is a Heisman Heisman candidate. Next year,

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that's team had a lot of monice with next year,

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he's going to be incredible next year. I think that

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you have to play Quinn. You as you made that

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problem earlier in the year and now you're like, okay,

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now we're kind of paying for it. You know. Any

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of the injury to you is the big deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Tennessee's playoff path Ohio State in Oregon, then a

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semi final against either Clypson in Texas or Arizona State,

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and then a potential national championship after that. As I

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mentioned earlier, Tennessee great story on talent. I love Nico

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at quarterback. I think that they got the right guy

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for a long time, get a very good defense. But

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for Tennessee, I feel like the party for them is

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going to be, you know, hey, we win the first round,

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that's great. I can't see them beating both Ohio State

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and Oregon back to back weeks. It's if they somehow

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can beat Ohio State in Oregon, then they can win

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the whole thing at that point. But I just don't

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see them winning both. I feel like it's a win

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against Ohio State and that's probably it for Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they had the toughest draw of every

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team in the standard. Yeah, they wish they were the

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ten or the eleven instead of the nine. I mean,

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than nine, because again, you drew Ohio State and AID

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and then you're gonna play the number one overall seed

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in Oregon, and then you're gonna play again, I think

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even Texas or Arizona State. I like Arizona State. Either way,

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that's gonna be a good team coming out of there.

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opposed to the bottom side of the brackets. So and

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that's just it gets the finals. You know, that's just

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to get to the final boss, which is gonna be

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Georgia come out the other side. He's gonna smack him

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around like they did it earlier in the season. So

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and go all the way and win the national title,

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you crown Josh Hype best coach in the nation. I mean,

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just my hat will be off to you. I'll tip

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your big butt and I'll buy you dinner. I'd love

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to see it. I like that guy, but I bet

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he could eat the shit out some barbecue ribs too.

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I just he's a quarterback of college too. Boy, I

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just shucks me seeing him.

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Speaker 1: Now, Oh yeah, it looks like Bobby all grown up.

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, he doesn't like Buffy all growing up, but

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he Uh, you know, if they pull that off, they

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pulled that guy off. It's the greatest run in college

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football history. Did win that many games.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk George's path, easiest path of anybody. Uh, it

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should beat Indiana or Notre Dame and then you get

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either Boise State SMU or Penn State ball. What I

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think is gonna end up happening is Penn State is

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going to Penn State. James Franklin's gonna slip up against

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either SMU or Boise State. I think they beat SMU,

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but I like Boise State to upset Penn State in

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that quarterfinal game. And then George is sitting there like,

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all right, we gotta play Boise State. Yeah, we're fine

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even if they Even if they play Penn State, I

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think they win that game. But I think in all

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likelihood that side of the bracket is gonna be very

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favorable for Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that there might pick for the national champ and

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and the reason a lot of is to draw. I mean,

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I think they're the best team, but the best draw

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Notre Dame in Indiana. The winner of that game. It's

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gonna be an easy game for Georgia. Their defense is

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too good. They're not gonna let somebody score a bunch

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of points. They're gonna beat them. And then I wougree

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with you. I think Penn State beats SMU. But I

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think the thing to look at is if Boise wins

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that Fiesta Bowl, Penn State has to go clear across

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country to play the Fiesta Bowl out in Arizona. Ways,

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he's only coming from down south. The little there's something

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to them, and I think that that's gonna be a

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little bit of a gute. Georgia gets to play in

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the Sugar Bowl not very far away. You will have a

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lot of their fans there in New Orleans. And then

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you're going to the Orange Bowl. They're going to Miami.

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It's gonna be a little bit of a home field

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advantage for them all the way to the Championship. I

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think that's a big difference to.

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Speaker 1: The Georgia in their backyard too.

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Speaker 2: And then in the championship is the champions I don't

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see the Where is Atlanta? It's in Atlanta? Oh yeah, yeah,

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I mean yeah, that's gonna be a home game. And

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so I they got a great draw. They're a great team,

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and they got the best coach. They might have the

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best roster. They don't have the best quarterback, but they

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they've won them with that best quarterback before. They haven't

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had a good quarterback and his whole Kirby Smart era,

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and they don't have to have a great one now.

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So the Cole Carson Beck thing to me, isn't that

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big a deal.

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Speaker 1: All right. So there you have it that's breaked out

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of the paths throughout the college Football playoffs. A couple

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more notes, and then we'll wrap up Big Droves is

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a breakdown here. Travis Hunter wins the Heis and Trophy

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closest Heisman vote since Seviliva was two thousand and eight,

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two thousand and nine, over Ashton gent Baul. I think

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the Eisen committee got it right Travis Hunter. I mean,

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here's the show, Oh hey, Otani of football, I mean

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playing both ways, playing at an all American level on

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both sides at the ball, gent was fantastic, don't get

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me wrong, and about any other year gent would have

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won the Heisman Trophy. But Travis Hunter was the best player,

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and he was on a very good football team too.

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I think the Heisman Trophy committee got it right in

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this decision to go with Travis Hunter. I think he's

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got a bright future. I know we're hearing all this

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about Dion is gonna, you know, have his say where

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he and Travis Hunter and Shador end up. I heard

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a great rant from Lewis Riddick the other night. I'm

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on the Night Football saying, hey, Dion, I know you

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may be watching right now. This is the NFL. NFL

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teams are going to do what they want you can't

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control that, but Travis Hunter. For me, bo I don't

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know about you. Jenny was genty was great, but you

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couldn't not give it to Hunter. I thought they made

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the right decision. In fact, you look at the numbers

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and everybody compares him to Charles Woodson. The year he

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had when the Heistan this year was much better than

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Charles Woodson's Heisman year two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've always been in the Campell Charles Woodson.

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He should have won the highest Peyton Manning should have won.

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That's me. I'm biased, but Travis Hunter was absolutely the

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best player in college football this year. I don't think

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there's any doubt. I think Genti's been great. I think

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he's had a great season the end. I think the

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issue is that he's at Boise and it's just that

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they didn't play the schedule the Gauntlet. Not that Colorado

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had a great goy not in the sec A Big Ten,

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but there's just a little tougher schedule, a little better

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opponents throughout the season. And I think that the reason

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that that team was so good, especially late in the year,

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had a lot to do with him. I mean, he

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was the best player on his team. He was the

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real reason that team was very, very good down the

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stretch and made it as far as they've made it.

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And I think that he's a special s talent. I'll

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go this far. He may not be the first pick

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in the draft, but he's the best football player this year.

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If I was going to just pick the best football player,

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I would take him. And I think that he's been

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the best football player in college football this year. And

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I know people will say, well, you gotta give it

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to an offensive player, and just the's numbers are great,

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and they are great, and he's been fantastic, and he

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would have won a het has been a lot of

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those years. But I just think that Travis Hunter has

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been better than everybody this year. He's been more valuable

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than everybody this year. And what he's done in two

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years at Colorado has been amazing for that program, and

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this year I think he really showed it. I also

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loved his speech speaking to the camera about his father

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and speaking to his father directly. You know that I've

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heard a little bit of the rumors of what's going

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on there, and you know, Dad not being able to

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make it to the thing for some reasons, and I

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don't really want to speculate on that unless you know,

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but I think that he really I said it on Twitter.

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There was a lot of people who attacked him winning

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that and they didn't like it for some reason. They

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thought that, you know, him and coach Prime up there,

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it's a little let's just say it's a little too black. Okay, Look,

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this is what college football is. This guy is great.

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He's a fantastic player. He's the one of the future

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great players in the NFL. And he's someone that's gonna

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play both sides of football in the NFL. He's gonna

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primarily play defense. He will see some offensive steps. You'd

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be stupid to not put him out there. I mean you,

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you gotta find a way to get great players in

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the field when they can help you. He's been the

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best defensive player in football all year. He might have

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been the best receiver in football as well this year.

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That's just too much for me to not choose him

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to be the Heisman winner. And I'm I'm rooting that

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kid for here on out. Oh man, I'm ready for

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this kid. I really even impressed with him as a

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player and impressed with him off the field too, So yeah,

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I and this whole thing with coach Prime is gonna

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help him get to where he wants to. You know

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what every coach does that. You think Nick Saban hasn't

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done any sort of things for his players before, do

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you know, just say that out loud, that's all. You know.

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He doesn't want him to go to a bad situation.

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He doesn't want to be into a Jacksonville, you know,

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that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to steer

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him the where he's not going to be some shitty

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organization that's happened before where coaches have said, don't draft

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this kid here, he doesn't want to play for you,

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you know, I and I just don't think that's that

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big a deal. And I think people who are being

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negative about that are being more negative because they don't

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like those two men than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think Lewis Riddick coming out in the

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middle of a broadcast saying that he's trying to interview

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for some GM jobs and put himself out there, and

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that might be you know, trying to actually on his

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own end, trying to put himself like send a message

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to these NFL owners like, hey, I'm gonna do whatever

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it texts to get the top talent. Like, really, that

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could have been Lewis trying to send send his own

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message of sorts for for other people, besides using Dion essentially.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't and I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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and it's a shame he got into that because I

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like Lewis Riddick and I think he should be an

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NFL GAM I think he'd be excellent at it. I've

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heard a lot and I just seen him on ESPN,

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but I've heard him speak. I've heard a lot of

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his stuff. He's speak on podcasts, I've heard a lot

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of his speaking engagements. I think he is a NFL

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general manager level talent and uh in mind right now.

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And it's the shame he hasn't gotten the opportunity already.

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I think he will get the opportunity at some point.

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I just don't like that he picked that moment. But

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I think there could be something to that case. They

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could have been him saying, Hey, I'm gonna promote myself

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a little bit on this too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, last thing, Big twelve SCC. I'll break down

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this week. Rich Rod, the new head coach at West Virginia,

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returning after leaving the program for Michigan. Obviously they didn't

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work out. Coach Arizona, had a little bit of success there,

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got fired, goes to Jacksonville State. It's done a really

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good job at Jacksonville State and now comes back. Says

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that he regrets leaving in the first place. He's their

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best coach in program history. Pat McAfee is heavily involved

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and apparently they're inn il program is gonna take a

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big step up. I've been a big fan of Ren Baker,

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their ad for a long time. I think that Baker

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is one of the best ads in the country. You know,

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they have a good, really good, I think foundation at

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West Virginia with some of the way that they're doing things.

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the most respected presidents in the country, Gordon g who

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used to be the university president of Ohio State and

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a couple other places. UH got an Ivy League background.

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You know, bo, I don't hate the higher I know

474
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,319
that rich Rod is in a much different situation where

475
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:27,200
they're at in the Big twelve now compared to when

476
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he left when they were in the Big East. But

477
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if the money is there, if McAfee and these others

478
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,480
are going to be behind him, we know that rich

479
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:39,079
Rod's an offensive mind and he's won there before. I

480
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,920
don't I don't have a problem with what West Virginia

481
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,799
did bringing rich Rod back, if you know, that's a

482
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,000
unique job and that takes a unique head coach, and

483
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,519
I think rich Rod knows what it takes. And I

484
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,599
liked I like the higher for West Virginia here.

485
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did too. I've been rich Rod guy since

486
00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:00,599
he was an offensive coordinator at Tulane in the in

487
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,680
the late nineties. He's an offensive minded guy who I

488
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,000
think is very similar to Lane Kipping, And I'll tell

489
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,880
you what I think about that why. I think they're

490
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,400
both great offensive mines. And they're also guys who have

491
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,759
at certain times in their career taken success to their

492
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:20,839
brains a little bit too hard and said, hey, I'm

493
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,559
better than what I actually am as far as a

494
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:26,039
head coach. But I think that what happened to rich

495
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,359
Rod at Michigan and then going and really that was

496
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,240
a bad situation for him the get go. He was

497
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:34,119
not a good fit there in the first place. They

498
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,720
get him there, he doesn't. You know, his offense didn't translate.

499
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,400
There goes to Arizona. They had a couple of really

500
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,440
great years. The end at wasn't a great fit. Uh,

501
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:44,599
he wasn't getting players. It was a big part of

502
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:48,279
that piece. And then well we saw Jacksonville State. I

503
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,000
mean they score points all over the damn place. I

504
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,960
mean that was a rich Rod offense in the Big twelve.

505
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,960
It's gonna work. I think he's gonna have a chance

506
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,440
because you're gonna score points. That Big twelve is not

507
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,279
as talented as the SEC. Is. That not the gauntlet

508
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,799
the SEC is or or the Big ten is when

509
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,400
you take all the teams into account. I think in

510
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,200
those cases, I look at it and go, this is

511
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,279
a really good fit. The guy who probably shouldn't have

512
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:17,799
left there, but who doesn't leave West Virginia to go

513
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,960
to Michigan as a football coach. I mean, if you

514
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,599
get that opportunity to take it, yeah, you know, it's

515
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,880
glad he's come back around. But now he's come back

516
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:31,680
seeing the mistakes he's made, hasn't let the other success

517
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:35,279
get to him, and now he's more mature sort of

518
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,200
how Lane Kiffin now is an old miss. It's insane.

519
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,559
Lane Kiff knows Tennessee or with the Raiders or in

520
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,480
the USC, you know, it's it's I think there's a

521
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,400
lot of similarities there, but I think Richal has even

522
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,640
become more mature. Hit got Jacksonville State bringing him to

523
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,079
West Virginia, getting them involved. That's also a place has

524
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,640
a lot of pride in being local and being their history.

525
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,839
You look at their basketball team years ago. Rehired by

526
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,279
bringing in Bob Huggins is a big deal. This is

527
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:09,440
an example of who they are as a community. Rich

528
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,640
Rod buys into that. He understands what that is, and

529
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,359
he's got helping people like McAfee. On the nil side,

530
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:20,079
that's a name and some cachet and some money they

531
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,960
could bring in and help things. I think you can

532
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,480
be competitive there and I think it's a good hire.

533
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:26,000
I do.

534
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think McAfee had big influence in his hiring too.

535
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,440
He obviously McAfee played under him, and he did his

536
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:39,319
show live from his introductory press conference. I mean, you

537
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,519
got the right people excited. I know some of the

538
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,559
fan base is split about bringing rich Rod back, but

539
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,720
if you got people like McAfee. Your most notable alum

540
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,160
bought in and what's going to come with that then,

541
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I think that's a huge step forward for that program.

542
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Chad winthrow to join us from out Kick. Coming up next,

543
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,880
we'll get his thoughts on the college football playoff and

544
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,720
more are coming up on the other side. Stay with us,

545
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,720
join us now with the program this week. Please to

546
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,839
welcome in from OutKick and Outkicks Hot Mike. It is

547
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,279
Chad Witrow who's back on the program once again. Chad,

548
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:15,839
appreciate the time, Happy holidays, Merry Christmas to you. Thanks

549
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,079
for giving us some time today, man, And what a

550
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,319
time was everything going on? College football playoffs about to

551
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,799
start NFL playoffs here in a few weeks. Certainly a

552
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:28,759
lot going on these days, Chad.

553
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: It truly is the most wonderful time of the year.

554
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,759
It really is, with everything going on in the holidays

555
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,240
of course, and Merry Christmas to you as well. And

556
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,720
I'm excited to watch these playoff games, something we haven't

557
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:43,640
seen before with the twelve team college football playoffs. So

558
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,160
anytime you get a first like this in sports, it's

559
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:46,920
always exciting.

560
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start there. I know you're a big Tennessee

561
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,759
volunteers fan and they got a big game of course,

562
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,640
coming up against Ohio State. I feel really good about

563
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,519
Tennessee's chances in this game with everything going on with

564
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:05,359
Ohio State in that Ryan Day situation and Tennessee playing

565
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,559
with really nothing to lose. I love the job that

566
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,519
Josh Hipel's done this season, what he's been to build

567
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:13,759
that program. How do you feel about Tennessee's chances to

568
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,799
potentially pull off an upset going into Columbus here?

569
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they got a good opportunity in

570
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,319
this game for sure, And you're right, Tennessee's playing with

571
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:24,799
house money in this one. Of this side of the

572
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,559
of the game, there's no doubt that Tennessee's the one

573
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,519
that they're not just they're just happy to be there,

574
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:33,160
and you know, they don't care how their team plays

575
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,960
or anything. But this was the goal coming into the

576
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,880
season if they were going to make the twelve team playoff.

577
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:41,160
I think preseason they were, you know, fifteen sixteen somewhere

578
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,559
around there. They were picked seventh in the SEC. So

579
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,640
to finish tied for second in the SEC and to

580
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,480
be in this twelve team playoff is a huge success

581
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,119
for Tennessee fans in this program. Ohio State's expectation coming

582
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,960
in this year was one, get rid of the losing

583
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,839
streak to Michigan, and two when the national title. Because

584
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,799
this was a team and a roster with the expectation

585
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880
was win the national title. They didn't accomplish objective one

586
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,920
by beating Michigan. Now their chance is to go on

587
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,359
a run and win the national title, and it's a

588
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,680
roster that's absolutely capable of doing that. I really think

589
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,000
this game is going to come down to the two

590
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:22,039
running to the two quarterbacks, excuse me, and their ability

591
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,519
to run. I think Niko Yamalaava for Tennessee got better

592
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,640
and better as the year went on, played his best

593
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
football in November. But he's a first year player. I

594
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,640
think Will Howard there's some mixed results in there. He's

595
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,000
not the most talented Ohio State quarterback we've seen, but

596
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,279
he's got so much talent around him that he's been

597
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,640
able to make it work. But I think there's gonna

598
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,400
be some opportunities where two teams that want to run

599
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,559
the football, there's gonna be some rushing opportunities for the

600
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:49,839
two quarterbacks, and this could come down to which quarterback

601
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,039
runs the ball better in a game that's going to

602
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:56,480
be very cold featuring two great defenses. So I could

603
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,519
see this being a low scoring game where maybe a

604
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,599
big coreck runner two is the difference.

605
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: You know. One thing I'm watching for Chad is what

606
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:06,720
goes on to the light of scrimmage, because you'll look

607
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:09,559
at that Ohio State team. For as much money as

608
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,480
been spent on the buck guys, they haven't really invested

609
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,559
in the offensive line the way they should have, and

610
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,559
they got worked in that Michigan game. You compare that

611
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:22,240
to Tennessee and that is a scary good defensive line.

612
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,640
James Pearce, I think is arguably the best edge rusher

613
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,920
in this upcoming draft. I think he should be a

614
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,319
top ten pick. To me, that's where I look at

615
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:32,880
being a difference for Tennessee.

616
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Speaker 4: What say you, Well, it could be and Seth McLaughlin

617
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,799
being out for Ohio State. It's a big one that

618
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,960
they've got some injuries across the offensive line, you know,

619
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and I love James Pierce. Also Tennessee, though they actually

620
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,640
have fewer sacks this year than they did last year,

621
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160
they're really good at stopping the run, and so is

622
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,920
Ohio States, who are the best teams in the country

623
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,079
against the run, and they do have a lot of

624
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,200
depth on the defensive line. They need to get home

625
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,519
a little bit more than they've been getting home quite

626
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:03,920
frankly in this game to have a chance. But I

627
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,079
just look at both teams Tyler, and I think both

628
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,519
have a very distinct advantage on defense against the other

629
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:13,640
team's offense. I think what Ohio State does well, Tennessee

630
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,799
also does well on defense and vice versa when Tennessee

631
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:20,079
has the ball on offense. So some creativity is gonna

632
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,319
need to get involved in this game with both both staffs.

633
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,920
But yeah, I think Tennessee is very good across the

634
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,960
defensive line. They need to get home to Will Howard though,

635
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,240
and they haven't been getting home as much this year,

636
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,079
so I think that's gonna be a big key in

637
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,680
this one as well. And we'll see if those injuries

638
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,839
across the offensive line for Ohio State end up playing

639
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,000
a big factor in this game.

640
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see indeed. And when you look at these

641
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,519
two teams in their path after this game, obviously they

642
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:50,759
would await Oregon in the Rose Bowl. I'm looking at

643
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:54,640
this Chad if if Ohio State wins this, they very

644
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,119
well could go on and win the national Championship. Even

645
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,359
though I like Tennessee more of this game, I don't

646
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:04,160
know necessarily that Tennessee could make a deep run. Do

647
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,559
you think they have it in them if they can

648
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,199
get this done against Ohio State or do you think

649
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,360
that eventually it catches up to them where it's too

650
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,920
much playing teams like Ohio State and Oregon back to back.

651
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,559
Speaker 4: Here, I think this is the game to watch in

652
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,360
the first round because either one of these teams could

653
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,119
win the national title. I truly believe that.

654
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: Now.

655
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: I'm picking Ohio State to win a close one. I

656
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,679
think it is going to be a low scorer in

657
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,000
close game, but I think being at home matters, and

658
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,159
if Tennessee was able to get that home field, they

659
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,519
would have won this game at Neeland. I think that

660
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,719
Ohio State will win in Columbus. But yeah, I think

661
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,000
the winner of this game has a great shot against Oregon.

662
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,480
We already saw it with Ohio State. They lose by

663
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,880
one point on the road, and they have a chance

664
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,679
with the ball late to where they could have gone

665
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,159
down and won. So they're gonna have a great chance

666
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,159
on a neutral site, and I think Tennessee's very similar

667
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,320
to Ohio State, So while I would think Oregon would win,

668
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,920
it's going to be a tough test. The craziest thing

669
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,480
about this is Oregon is the number one seed may

670
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,800
have the toughest, the toughest path, yeah, winning the national

671
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,599
title as opposed to those other teams that gotta buy.

672
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,360
So that's a tough break for Oregon that they're gonna

673
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,199
play the winner of this game in the first in

674
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,079
their first matchup.

675
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely so ched windthrow of Alkick joining us

676
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,360
here of the program this week, Chad. Last question of

677
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,079
this Ohio State Tennessee game. If Ohio State loses, what

678
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,679
do you think of Ryan Day's future? Do you expect

679
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,440
him to still be the head coach of the Ohio

680
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000
State Buckeyes next week? If they'd lose this game at home.

681
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,679
Speaker 4: It's tough because they're going to owe him so much money,

682
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:35,639
you know, And there's a lot of talk about does

683
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,280
Ryan David want to be there because his kids are

684
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,639
getting harassed in school and all this stuff has happened,

685
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:42,639
and all the pressure around it's really eating at him.

686
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,119
And you saw his demeanor and the look on his

687
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:48,039
face when that brawl was happening after the Michigan loss,

688
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:52,840
where he's just dead eyes, dead eyed, looking straight ahead,

689
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,719
looking like a zombie after that game, And you wonder

690
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,679
how how long is he for this job? I don't know,

691
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,920
but I know he's got an agent, and his agent's

692
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,119
going to be telling them, will you make them fire you?

693
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,119
You're not gonna resign because you don't want the job.

694
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:06,840
That they can fire you and give you the entire

695
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,199
buyout and you can go be an offensive coordinator of

696
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,239
the NFL for Mike Vrabel, or go coach somewhere else,

697
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:14,119
you know, if you want, because you're gonna get a

698
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,679
job somewhere else. So I'm not sure what they do.

699
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,840
If they know exactly who they want to hire and

700
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,400
feel like they can get them, maybe they make a move.

701
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,440
But man, I think it's gonna be tough. I get it.

702
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,480
I understand the vitriol from Ohio State fans about that

703
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,320
loss to Michigan. It was a terrible loss, But I

704
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,920
think you got you'd have a hard time firing Ryan Day,

705
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,360
especially based on what they would owe him in a buyout.

706
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even though they haven't won the big one,

707
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:44,639
necessarily the win loss record is still outstanding as good

708
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:47,199
as any coach out there in the country, and that's

709
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,639
hard to replicate and replace out there, even in Ohio State.

710
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,400
As far as that goes other games this weekend, Chad,

711
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,119
what kind of catches your attention in these first round

712
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:57,880
matchups here?

713
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 4: You know, Clemson Texas Dabo Sweeney is the one guy

714
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,159
that you look at the coaches outside of Kirby Smart. Yeah,

715
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,280
it's won a national title, that's been in these type

716
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,199
of settings of win and play on or win and

717
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:14,400
you know you're gonna play for the national title type situation.

718
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,400
Can Clemson go in there and win? You know, Kate

719
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,840
Klubnick has battled before with quinn Ewers back in high

720
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,559
school head to head, and Kate Clubney got the best

721
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,280
of them. I'm really interested in that game because while

722
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,719
Texas is very, very good, there's no doubt they're very

723
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,199
good defensively, there's just a little something missing on offense

724
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:37,480
with that team, especially in big games, and we saw

725
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,760
it rear It's ugly head again where they had a

726
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,159
chance Texas did to beat a backup quarterback in the

727
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,760
second half in Georgia and they couldn't do it. They

728
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,920
look bad against Georgia the first time too, So does

729
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:51,280
Clemson have a plan? Does Dabo have the swagger to

730
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,239
go into Austin and get a win? That's the game

731
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,000
I'm kind of circling where I think some crazy things

732
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,519
could happen.

733
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: Well, and I look at that game ched in that

734
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,360
Texas team. I know that they've been a top five

735
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,079
team for you know, pretty much all season, but I

736
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,400
mean you look at their schedule and they haven't beat

737
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,360
anybody with a record better than eight and four this year,

738
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:14,599
and they don't look like the same team they were

739
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:18,360
against Michigan and Oklahoma earlier in the year. For as

740
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,880
much a it's been made about Texas, I still feel

741
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,599
like we don't know how good they really are.

742
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, they look really good against Florida late in the

743
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,800
year when Florida was kind of making a push and

744
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,239
playing better. But Florida played that game with a third

745
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,440
string walk on quarterback from Yale. They beat Vanderbilt. That's

746
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,519
one of their big wins of the year. And that

747
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,719
wasn't that pretty. You know, Vandy was actually kicking an

748
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,239
on side kick to get the ball and try to

749
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,480
win late in the game. So look, no, I get it.

750
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:48,079
There's there's some question marks around that Texas team. The

751
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:53,039
roster's really good and the defense is outstanding. I want

752
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,519
to see more arch Manning. Yeah, And I'm not saying

753
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,039
that he should replace Quinn Yours as the starter right now,

754
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:00,480
given what Quinn ewrs has done where they are on

755
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:03,199
the season, but he needs to play more. They need

756
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,079
to have some more design runs for him. They need

757
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,079
to put him in not to run, put him in

758
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,719
a couple times, let him take some deep shots, give

759
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,760
him part of the offense in this game. Get him

760
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,159
in the flow of the game in some way similar

761
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,840
to the way Florida and Urban Meyer utilized Tim Tebow

762
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,679
off the bench with Chris Leak in their National championship

763
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,360
run back in two thousand and six. You'll play arch

764
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,239
Manning that much. I think it's time to get him

765
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,480
more looks in the game, and I want to see

766
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,480
if Steve Sarkisian has a plan to do that.

767
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be very curious if that's the case. The

768
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,559
other two matchups SMU Penn State, Indiana Notre Dame, Chad,

769
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:42,079
do you think we could potentially see an upset, whether

770
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,079
it's Indiana at Notre Dame or SMU at Penn State.

771
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,559
Do you think either one of those teams have much

772
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:47,559
of a chance to do something?

773
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: I do. I think Indiana's got a great shot. They

774
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,480
got to play really well. You know, they can't have

775
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:58,199
special teams mistakes like they did against Ohio State. Certainly

776
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,679
can't turn the ball over. But I think they got

777
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,840
a good shot. If they're playing at their top level,

778
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,760
they're going to be right there with a chance to

779
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,840
beat Notre Dame. From what we've seen this year, SMU

780
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,079
is a little tougher to figure out. Penn State got

781
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,320
a gift with their route to go SMU to Boise

782
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,400
State to possibly get to the semi finals is an

783
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,639
incredibly favorable route for them. But I think both games

784
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,239
have a chance to be really good. But give me

785
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,360
Indiana as the best chance at an upset between those two.

786
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I certainly can see that being the case. We

787
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,960
just found out a little while ago Carson Back not

788
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,599
going to play in the quarterfinal matchup for Georgia and

789
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,119
could potentially be out for the entire playoff. We'll see.

790
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,159
We saw the way that Stockton came in and rallied

791
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:50,679
that Georgia team and the guys you know, played better

792
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,960
around him in that second half, and his performance was

793
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:56,079
just as good, if not better than Carson Becks was.

794
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,760
Do you see that being a big issue, Chad for

795
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,239
Georgia if they if they don't have Carson Beck here

796
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,519
and have to to roll with Stockton here for these playoffs.

797
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,639
Speaker 4: I think Carson Beck hurt them more than he helped

798
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,639
them a lot this season, quite frankly, which is crazy

799
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,039
to say, because you know, he was a possible number

800
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,119
one overall pick when he came back to Georgia this year.

801
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,679
He was great against Tennessee in November. He had flashes

802
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,280
of greatness. He was great in the second half against

803
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,519
Alabama and a loss, but it was not good. I mean,

804
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,159
they were winning in spite of Carson Beck at times

805
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:31,159
this year for Georgia. So Gunner Stockton gives them a

806
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:34,039
little bit more of a mobile, you know, a chance

807
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:35,360
to run the football a little bit more from the

808
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,480
quarterback position. I don't know, you know, I really think

809
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:42,079
it's kind of a cop out, Tyler. But I don't know,

810
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:44,280
because if they go out there and look terrible, it's

811
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,239
easy to go back and say, well, Carson Beck and

812
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920
his leadership and having done it so long could have

813
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,760
really helped this team. But if Gunner Stockton goes out

814
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,639
and wins like he did the second half and overtime

815
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,719
against Texas, we're gonna be sitting here doubting why didn't

816
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,519
Gunner Stockton play earlier in the year, based on some

817
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:03,960
of the things we saw from Carson Beck this season.

818
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,400
So it's not the spot you want to be in.

819
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,639
If you're Kirby Smart, you'd love to have both those

820
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,679
guys ready to go and able, and certainly you don't

821
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,119
want Carson Beck to be hurt. But we'll find out

822
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,599
soon enough just how big of a loss that is.

823
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:20,519
Speaker 1: Well. I think for Georgia too, what benefits them of

824
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,840
going to Stockton is the offense doesn't really change a

825
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,880
whole lot schematically of what Mike Bobo wants to do.

826
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,280
If they were to go to Jayden Rashatta, for example,

827
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,800
then you would pretty much have to run a totally

828
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,239
different scheme and try to find ways to get shot

829
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,559
out in space. Here. To me, I think that complements

830
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:44,119
them well of who they've turned to in this case, which.

831
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: By the way, I've never understood why you would bring

832
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,320
multiple quarterbacks in and have one that runs one offense

833
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,400
or scheme, and another one that runs right. Like you're picking,

834
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,119
you know in college, like go recruit guys that run

835
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:57,360
your scheme. And if there's a little bit of tweak

836
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,079
here and there of oh well, this guy we could

837
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,159
call more QB design runs for, then that's fine. It

838
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,159
just it expands. You want to expand the playbook and

839
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,960
not limited, I guess, is what I'm saying. No, I

840
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,440
mean Gunner Stockton's fine. Yeah, he's a time talent, and

841
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,719
he looked good in that second half, in that overtime,

842
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,360
so I'm not overly concerned about him. I'm picking Georgia

843
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,320
to win it all against Oregon in the National Championship

844
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,760
game because I've been there, done that. I've seen it

845
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,119
with Kirby Smart, and I know that Georgia at their ceiling,

846
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:28,159
they have a higher ceiling than anyone else in the country.

847
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,159
Their floor is pretty low, and it's lower than past

848
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,559
Georgia teams, no doubt about it. And we've seen that

849
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,559
low at times this year. But when they're at their best,

850
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,159
they're still the best team in the country. And I

851
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,079
think they're gonna be at their best in this playoff.

852
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they're gonna be tough to be for sure.

853
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,800
I like Oregon personally, but I think George is right there,

854
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,119
and it feels like those two teams kind of have

855
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,639
separated themselves a little bit from the rest of the pack.

856
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 4: Has a good chance to be that next guy. Because

857
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,760
right now, it's Kirby Smart, it's Dabbo that we've seen

858
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,639
win national titles that are still coaching now that Savings retire,

859
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,880
but it's it's Sark, it's Dan Lanning. I put Dan

860
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,880
Lanning at the top of that list of who's gonna

861
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,239
be that other alpha that is a top college football

862
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,400
coach that can go win a national title. I'm Lanning's

863
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,880
right there. Sark is close. Maybe Josh Hipel wins a

864
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,000
couple of games this playoff and we're talking about him

865
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,599
as one of those coaches too. But that's a big

866
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,079
question I have, is who's gonna step up and be

867
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,599
that next guy? And you're right, very well, could be

868
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:32,280
Dan Lanning, a guy who came from Georgia.

869
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and those guys, I think what's good for

870
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,239
the sport. You know, everybody talks about Belichick last week

871
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,000
and what that did, but all of those guys. I

872
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,960
don't see leaving their programs anytime soon either. I know

873
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,719
that Dan Lanning's name has been potentially thrown out there

874
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,880
for the NFL, but doesn't seem like he's too interested.

875
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,719
Sark's got a good thing going to Texas. Kirby's not

876
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,480
going anywhere. I mean in this new era, you know,

877
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:59,039
with losing Sabans and these others, here should be some

878
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,440
good stability. We have some big name coaches for the

879
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,800
next several years on that front. Tell me about everything's

880
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,280
going on at OutKick. Last time I saw you, it

881
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,920
was back in July for a great event with Riley Gaines,

882
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,119
and all sorts of stuff go on. Every time I

883
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:16,719
see it, seems like something new is going with the

884
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,079
company and everything. The way Clay's expanded it all here,

885
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,079
seems like some exciting stuff going on at OutKick these days,

886
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,559
with you guys, and with Hutting and everything too.

887
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:28,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to go up and not down, right,

888
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So the growth of the site continues to go up.

889
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We're up in viewership on our show Hot Mic, with

890
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,199
Hutting and with Row across all shows in the OutKick platform.

891
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Readership of the website visits. There are up as well.

892
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So everything's going really well. I'm enjoying hosting my show

893
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,440
with Jonathan Hutton. We're on four to six pm Eastern

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Time every weekday hot Mic with Hutting and with Row

895
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,639
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896
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,800
you can watch the show there. We'll have a YouTube

897
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version of the show posted every single day. It's a

898
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lot of fun. We get to talk about what we

899
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,719
want to talk about and do it and the best

900
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,920
way we know how to do it. Whether that's the

901
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,639
best way or not, we'll let the audience determine that.

902
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,440
But we have a lot of fun with it, Tyler,

903
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,760
and it's been a great experience without Kick, and we

904
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,800
look forward to bigger and better things in twenty twenty five.

905
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Speaker 1: I love the studio setup you guys have there at

906
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:24,360
sixth and Peabody with just beer and liquor, just just

907
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,840
sitting behind decademic.

908
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,199
Speaker 4: People in Moonshine Distillery for their for their studio right yeah,

909
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,840
by Moonshine Bottles. We're in a distillery at sixth and

910
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,159
Peabody with Old Smoky and Yhaw. We occupy an entire

911
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,679
city block in downtown Nashville right behind a convention center

912
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,559
two blocks down from the arena, so you know, come

913
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,360
down and see us. It's it's a ton of fun

914
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,119
and we have a lot of fun with the staff

915
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:48,960
there at Old Smokey It's it's a blast.

916
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,639
Speaker 1: I love getting Old Smoky moonshine. Fortunately it does sell

917
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:54,599
where I live in Dallas, so I can still get

918
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:57,480
it all the time. What's what's the drinking choice for you? Chat?

919
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,760
What are you going with when when you decide?

920
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,519
Speaker 4: I'm a bourbon guy, so they have a bourbon there

921
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:06,679
that they make with their brand called James Own Bee Bourbon,

922
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,840
So I enjoy the bourbon there. The moonshine tastings are

923
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,639
a lot of fun when you have people in from

924
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:14,880
out of town to do the tastings. Not a huge

925
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,280
moonshine guy. They also have tons of beers on tap

926
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,199
with Yhaw Beer. But when I'm at six and Peabody,

927
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,639
I go with the Own Bee Bourbon, and the bartenders

928
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,840
there can attest to that. They'll they'll they'll know right

929
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,360
away when I walk up. They know the usual drink

930
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:29,760
and it's the own Bee Bourbon. Just pour it over

931
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,199
some ice.

932
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: I love it. Chat. I appreciate the time as always

933
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,480
my friend. We'll talk in down the line, and thanks

934
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:37,679
again for being here with us.

935
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: Man, Hey, this is always fun.

936
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:40,599
Speaker 2: You know.

937
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: I'll join you whenever i'm able to, and keep up

938
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,239
the great work yourself.

939
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: Thank you.