WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:26.399 We're Tom Lorenzo, and this is the Bitterkitten Movie Club. 2 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.320 Heliciten's welcome back to another edition of the BKMC, a 3 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.159 supplemental edition of the PSO podcast where we take a 4 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:35.399 look at one film per week and just unpack it. 5 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:37.840 And I was gonna say, rip it to shreds, but 6 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:40.479 we never do that, actually, and we would never do 7 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.960 it with this. Oh my selection, which is nineteen eighty 8 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:50.799 seven's Babbett's Feast, which is Lorenzo's number one of all time. 9 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.079 And before I tossed to Lorenzo, who is going to 10 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:54.479 have a lot to say about this, I just want 11 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:57.280 to say, I think it's kind of fascinating. I didn't 12 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:00.200 realize until we started doing the BKMC that your favorvorite 13 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.159 movie and my favorite movie both are both foreign language 14 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.760 films because mine is ways a desire and they both 15 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:07.879 came out in the same year. Oh really yeah, they 16 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:08.920 both came out in eighty seven. 17 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:09.439 Oh wow. 18 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:11.799 And oh, I do want to say, because we were 19 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:13.400 talking and I know you don't want to get into this, 20 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.680 and I don't blame you about why that film appeals 21 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:18.760 so much to you on a personal level, on a 22 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:23.280 profound level. And I really was thinking about this this morning, 23 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.599 where I was like, you know, if someone really wanted 24 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:29.000 to understand the two of us, like really, this is 25 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.040 Tom and this is Lorenzo, you could do a back 26 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:34.680 to back. I remember it was ways a desire bubetsfe yes. 27 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:37.400 When we first started dating. That's what's one of the 28 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.680 first things we talked about was international movie. Yeah, and 29 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:47.120 you made anyway, And yes, this is my number one movie. 30 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:50.040 I have two other favorite movies. If I had to 31 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:52.560 pick what, I picked three, but that's my number one. 32 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:56.480 I've always loved this movie my entire life. I saw 33 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:59.319 it in a movie theater, didn't watch it many, many 34 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:03.400 many times, read the book everything about it. I just 35 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:05.400 I just fair in love with this movie. And I 36 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:10.199 do mean this movie is so beautiful, so poetic, and 37 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:11.960 it has to do a lot with the writer. And 38 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:13.879 we'll talk about her who wrote the story? 39 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.439 Can I just fill in some details here? So it's 40 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:22.120 directed by Gabriel Axel, who is a Danish director film 41 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.840 director who also spent time in France. So he's also 42 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:28.639 he's you know, when you see an interview with him, 43 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.319 it's you think he's French. He's very French in the 44 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:35.199 way he acts. But it's very, very true, and it's 45 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:39.759 based on the novella The Short Story. It's a short story. 46 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:40.719 It's a short story. 47 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:44.039 It's a long short story, but it's of the same 48 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:46.800 name by Karen Blixen, who wrote under the name. And 49 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:48.800 I've never said this out loud, but I think I'm 50 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:52.120 going to do it right each Dennison. I think Denison. 51 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.360 She's famous for Out of Africa, of course, and I 52 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:59.520 didn't realize this until we were doing research on this 53 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.439 film that the only reason this film got made was 54 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.879 because of the success ab Out of Africa starring Meryl 55 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:10.680 Streep and Robert Reford. Because Karen Blixen, he'sacked Dennis and 56 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.599 was not particularly she was largely forgotten. By the mid eighties, 57 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:15.680 she was larger forgotten. 58 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:17.840 He tried to make the I mean, he tried for 59 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:19.879 like nineteen years to make Gabrielle Axel. 60 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:20.879 Yeah, yeah, and. 61 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.840 Then finally Out of Africa came out, and he's got 62 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.080 the fun so huge success. Everybody started reading her again, 63 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:31.639 Karen Blixen, and and that's how he people got interested, 64 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:34.960 but even so not that much interested because people felt 65 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:36.680 it was a very short story. There's nothing there. 66 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:37.520 There's nothing there. 67 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.719 Yeah, they felt there was. It wasn't much for a movie. 68 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:44.280 I do want to say, like these these bkmc's are 69 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:48.199 entirely focused on films. They're not focused on the books. 70 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:50.479 If they were, like we did Atonement last week, and 71 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.039 I had nothing at all to say about the book 72 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.719 because we're focused on the film. We focus on things 73 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.319 like cinematography and costume design and direction and acting deliberately 74 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.960 because we want this to be a movie club. Having 75 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:05.680 said that that, yes, I read Babbett's Face last night 76 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.520 for the first time. Yeah, I've never read it before. 77 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.319 I'd never read Karen Blixen before, and I'd say I 78 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:12.840 was charmed. 79 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:13.719 She is. 80 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:18.800 Her use of language is just beautiful but also very 81 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.439 very charming. There were just times it's not a long rate. 82 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.360 I think I read it in forty minutes. Maybe there 83 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.000 were times where I had to stop and go because 84 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.920 the praising was just so I was so charmed by 85 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:35.199 it right in terms of and I was also pleasantly 86 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:39.639 surprised that to read the story is to see the film. 87 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:45.959 They are almost totally identical. Axel did very very little 88 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:50.839 to alter the tone of the story or the circumstances 89 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.839 of the story. It is exactly as you know, it's 90 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:54.680 laid out in the story. 91 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.279 It's important to mention that the story, but the Babbetts 92 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.560 Fee story was first published serially in the Ladies Home 93 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.480 Jourrenoid nineteen fifty. So that's how we got published. 94 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.959 Yeah, because someone another author told Blix and if you 95 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.240 want to break through the American market, right by food. 96 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:14.839 So yeah, so she thought about the story about the 97 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.240 dinner and all that. So that's when the story was 98 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:22.680 first published. And then later, you know, with a combination 99 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:23.439 of other stories. 100 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.319 Yeah, and he published in a collection of short story So, okay. 101 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:31.560 The film it is. There's so much about this film. 102 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.439 I love it much in the same manner of Wings 103 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:37.560 of Desire. It's a film that takes its time, that 104 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:42.360 doesn't over explain a single thing. It wants you to 105 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:45.360 sit there and experience. It wants you to sit there 106 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.680 quietly and let it all happen to you. And I 107 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.240 have to say Axel said, I have a quote from him. 108 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:55.079 He gave an interview in nineteen eighty eight to Cite 109 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.879 and Sound magazine, and I think this is important. All 110 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.639 I can say is that in Babbet's faced. There's a minister, 111 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.560 but it's not a film about religion. There's a general, 112 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.759 but it's not a film about the army. There's a cook, 113 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.319 but it's not a film about cooking, right, And those 114 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:14.600 three sentences right there, It's like, Yeah, I did a 115 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:16.839 lot of reading on this movie over the last two 116 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.600 couple of days, and it's amazing to me how many 117 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.879 people are convinced it's a movie about Jesus, or it's 118 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.759 a movie about French cuisine, or it's a movie about 119 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.240 the you know, the his military history. It's a movie 120 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:34.839 about art. It's about art. It's about being an artist 121 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.399 and what art can do to people, how it can 122 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:40.040 bring a community together, how it can heal wounds, that 123 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:40.680 sort of thing. 124 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:43.560 Do you agree, Yes, I agree, it's it's it's not 125 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:48.120 about it. I'd say it's about artistry. Artistry fair, because 126 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.600 it's it's what you can do. It's it's how you 127 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:56.439 can prove to yourself or to everybody that you know 128 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:58.720 you have a talent, you have you have a craft, 129 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:01.199 and then you know, just let me show what I 130 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:02.120 can do. That's pretty. 131 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:03.800 Let me do this for you because I can. 132 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:05.879 Let me do this for you because I can. That's 133 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.399 the whole point of the movie. I absolutely adore the 134 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:12.439 whole story. I'm very much into small village like in 135 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.600 the middle of nowhere type. I mean, that's why I 136 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.800 love I. Yes, when I was a teenager, I read 137 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:19.879 all the actor Christie's movie and I fell in love 138 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:21.480 with Miss Marple and I wanted to live with her. 139 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:23.639 Miss Marple, you ran over that way, I'm. 140 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.120 Sorry, Miss Marple. I wanted to live with her because 141 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:31.000 it was just this cottage small, you know. 142 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:31.759 I just love that. 143 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:34.439 And I fell in love with the small village with 144 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:39.600 these two ladies devoted to their father, gave up everything, 145 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:43.839 voted to their community, to the community the father, you know, 146 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.240 and gave up everything. One of them was very talented, 147 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:51.399 and I think that's very interesting because towards the end 148 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:53.759 of the movie, when she hugs Babets, I mean, she 149 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:55.519 understands because she's also in artist. 150 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.240 She she has a beautifuless, repeats what Monsieur Papin says 151 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:01.639 to her, which I he at one point says, the angels, 152 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:03.759 you know, will hear your voice in heaven, and she's 153 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:06.800 she repeats that back to bad At the end of 154 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.199 the film, and I think that's important because you're right. 155 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:14.240 It was artist to artist, yes, and I understood. And 156 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:16.879 she was repeating the words that she had received from 157 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:21.279 a mentor artist herself. And that's like I read essays 158 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:26.800 about this film that picked apart the cuisine. It wasn't 159 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.160 historically correct, it wasn't typically French, it was there was 160 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.559 And I will say this, I was watching the film. 161 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:35.600 We watched it last night, and I have not seen 162 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.720 it in a while, and there were certain aspects of 163 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.639 it that my age and experience caused me to look 164 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:44.879 at it in a different way, one of which is 165 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.960 Lorenz Lohenheim, who I do want to talk about him 166 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.279 because I'm a lot closer to his age now and 167 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.080 I sort of get where he's coming from. But the 168 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.159 other thing is I'm a much more accomplished cook than 169 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.120 I was the first time I saw this film how many, however, 170 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.639 many decades ago, and I was watching it, going, ain't 171 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:04.200 no way you're doing that in that kitchen. You don't 172 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:06.360 have the space, you don't have the tools. 173 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.639 So I was I think that's meaning the criticism in general, 174 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.240 that you know, she just doesn't have the equipment. 175 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:16.080 Or the kitchen, have the equipment they showed her using 176 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.480 specific Well, first off, she had all those copper pots, 177 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:20.639 and there's no way the sisters had those pots. Well, 178 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:22.919 she bought it every she bought everything. She bought the 179 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.240 table setting, she bought the china, she bought everything. And 180 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.240 she had a bleany pan at one point when she 181 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.559 was making the clean and this was specialized stuff. But 182 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.799 I did read a cook point out that to make 183 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.519 turtle soup from a living turtle would take an entire 184 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.000 day and you would need a kitchen three times that sung. 185 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.720 But I also saw, and this to me is a 186 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.799 little more on point. I saw. I read essays by 187 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.480 religious people, preachers that sort of thing, who were looking 188 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.000 at it from a religious perspective, right, and also criticizing it. 189 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.360 Because if you look at if you, for instance, take 190 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:07.320 the perspective of Christian charity or Christian sacrifice, which you 191 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:14.120 know permeates the film, then Babet's Babet's choice is about ego. 192 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:17.240 It's not about helping other people, and she trashes an 193 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:21.919 entire lifetime worth of money just to do this one thing. 194 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.320 So from a theological perspective it might not you know, 195 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:29.039 you could possibly find some criticism there. I am not 196 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.879 criticizing any of this. I think actually those perspectives are 197 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:34.720 interesting to consider. But as Axel points out, this is 198 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.399 not a film about religion, and it's not a film 199 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.039 about food. It's about community and art. 200 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.159 This is Yeah, the movie is about community. It's those 201 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.919 people live in the same village and knowing each other. 202 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.240 You know, they all know each other for a very 203 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.600 long time, and they practiced a religion. 204 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.120 They're a Lutheran. It's a Lutheran s act. 205 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.440 Yeah, they got older together, they go through a lot 206 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.600 of stuff together, and all of a sudden, this woman 207 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:02.039 shows up because her whole family died. Yeah, and she 208 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:05.360 has to live there. It's not her choice. I'm sure 209 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:08.279 she didn't want to live there, but she ends up 210 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.840 living there with these two ladies, serving those two ladies. 211 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:16.480 And it's just very interesting because she it's it's it's 212 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.399 it's about accepting what has come to you. 213 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:21.279 That's true. 214 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.080 And I for all of them, the ladies, you know, 215 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:27.559 they would be married with kids and all that, but 216 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:30.639 that didn't happen because of their religion and the father, 217 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.440 the pressure of the father and all that. So they 218 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.200 chose to live their life, you know, helping the community. 219 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.759 Their lives, helping the community. So it's it's very interesting. 220 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:41.960 And but that is just so amazing. It's such a 221 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.000 wonderful character because you can feel her pain the entire time, 222 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:49.080 and yet she she wants to do what she's supposed 223 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:51.039 to do, you know, or she said she was going 224 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.039 to do. She's going to be there and cook for 225 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:56.639 those two ladies, serve them, clean the house and all that. 226 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.279 I don't think she's she cleans the house. I don't 227 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:01.879 think you ever really see her do that. Well, I 228 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:03.120 think she does all the cooking. 229 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.000 No, you see her cleaning the weather. That's right. 230 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:06.960 You do see her cleaning which right, which. 231 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.919 Which means that she cleaned the house. And they show 232 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:13.480 her room and you can see her. 233 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.720 It's an attic. It's nothing, it's nothing. 234 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.399 And thanks to Stefanodram, she is the one who asked 235 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.080 to design that room because she said, I think we 236 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:26.960 should show how she lives. Not that the two ladies 237 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:31.480 were rich, but her room is far. Yeah, it's worth Yeah. 238 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:34.159 I just think it's about love, it's about acceptance. It's 239 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:38.919 about finally having a chance to show who you are 240 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.159 truly as an artist. Because she gets the money, she 241 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.759 wins the lottery, and then she said, I'm just going 242 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:47.720 to use this money to do one more thing in 243 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:51.320 my life, which I think is amazing, man, amazing. 244 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:54.559 I also think the film, and again, this is one 245 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:56.759 of those things that I didn't understand when I watched 246 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.159 it as a young man, but I had much more 247 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:03.360 of an understanding now. Obviously, everyone in the film is 248 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.559 almost everyone in the film is elderly, so it is 249 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:09.840 a film about old people. And subsequently it is also 250 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:14.000 a film that is dealing significantly with death but not 251 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:19.639 being overt about it. One of the courses and the 252 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:24.279 meal is Kayans sacrifage, which is quails in a coffin basically. 253 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:29.799 And you know, that's what I love about Axles. He 254 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.519 doesn't go too far with this stuff. He doesn't overstate it. 255 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:36.600 The other thing is it's twelve disciples around the table, 256 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:41.039 and it's this figure doing a tremendous sacrifice to serve 257 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.200 these people. So of course the allusion to the twelve 258 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.879 the Last Supper is there, but I love that he 259 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:51.120 did not overplay that. And a less talented director, I guarantee, 260 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.320 a less talented director would have done the Michelangelo frame 261 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.399 would have had them all like mimicking that. There's nothing 262 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:02.000 of that in the film. The last shot of the 263 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:05.120 film is a candle going out. It is all about 264 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.200 I mean, death is all over this film, but it 265 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.039 is not a morbid film and it is not heavy 266 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.480 in its symbolism. And I do so appreciate that light, light, 267 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:17.440 light touch that he takes through the whole thing and. 268 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.559 Down to the Canada was written by Karen Blixen's I 269 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.519 know she wrote all that. She her writing is amazing 270 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:27.759 if please try and go find her books. I mean, 271 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:29.000 Out of Africa is amazing. 272 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:31.240 This story is amazing, and you can read it, and 273 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:33.320 like I said, unless you can read it very quickly. 274 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.080 Why don't we take a break because I know you 275 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:39.039 want to talk about who designed. 276 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.600 Yeah, well let's let's stay that, I know, but I 277 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:44.080 want to talk about the casts in general and a 278 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:44.600 lot of others. 279 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.399 Yeah, we have much to talk about, so we'll be 280 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:49.960 right back. We're back, Lorenzo go. 281 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:54.200 I also love the whole the entire cast, as you said, 282 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.240 I mean, Gaboraxo actually mentioned that it was very hard 283 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:59.759 to convince people to make a movie about old people pray. 284 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:01.919 With that essentially an eating and. 285 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:05.039 That's essentially what they do, you know, on the surface. 286 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:11.399 But anyway, but it's an amazing cast. They're all amazing, creative, 287 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.080 talented Danish actors. 288 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:17.000 Yeah, they're all. We're very highly respected, all of. 289 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.440 Them, and you can see they're so talented. They do 290 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:23.120 such a good job. I love all of them. Unfortunately, 291 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:26.240 of course they're all dead, but they they are amazing. 292 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:29.240 I'm glad, I'm glad. I'm so. That's one thing I 293 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:33.879 take about the I mentioned that there's a scene where, 294 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:36.799 you know, but Bet needs help and she gets this 295 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:39.879 boy to help her. And I just adore the whole 296 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.159 thing with the boy because towards the end the boy 297 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:45.679 there's a shot of the boy eating me. 298 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:48.159 And he takes a drink, yeah, general wine. 299 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.960 But then, you know, Gabor Axa made the point of, 300 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.000 you know, to show that the boy also ate that meal, 301 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:55.759 and I just love all of that. 302 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:59.279 The respect That's something I didn't want to bring up 303 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:03.000 is that this is so kind and respectful of the 304 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.000 people in the story. One of the things you could do, 305 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:11.840 I mean, listen, a story about a sect of people 306 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.840 a far apart from everybody having their first glass of 307 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.120 wine in their first you know, French food, and you 308 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.279 could make that very funny. You could make fun of 309 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:24.200 those people. The other thing is you could look at 310 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:27.039 the sisters in this story and see them as pathetic. 311 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:29.639 You know, their choices were pathetic. They ran away from 312 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.559 the world, they gave up on love. The film doesn't 313 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:35.759 do any of that. It respects that these people live 314 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.879 a certain kind of life, and for the most part, 315 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:41.159 that life works for them. There's some you know, they're 316 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.399 arguing in the village and everything like that, but the 317 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:47.399 sisters have a pretty nice life. It's the life that 318 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:51.279 they want. And again your point about it's not just 319 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.639 the boy but also the driver who sits in the 320 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:58.159 kitchen and samples everything. And he's probably my favorite character 321 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.519 because they let him enjoy it. He and the general 322 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.279 are the only people who are allowed to just enjoy 323 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.680 this meal because they've all decided that it's too sinful. 324 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:09.720 Oh yeah, Joy, that's a good point. 325 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.799 Their reactions are important. Otherwise you wouldn't realize how amazing 326 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:14.480 this meal was. 327 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:15.440 That's a very good point. 328 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.400 Thank you. I'm very smart that ye yes you are. 329 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:21.480 But it's just the whole thing is beautiful. I remember 330 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:24.519 a teenager I saw the movie in a movie theater 331 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.400 and when she sets the table, and I remember at 332 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:29.599 the time, I had no idea what. 333 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:33.160 You were not a teenager when we whenever, I was young, bitch. 334 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:35.680 I was young. Okay, that's all it matters. I was 335 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:41.480 young anyway, younger. But I remember like amazed by the 336 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.160 whole thing because I wasn't expecting that the table was 337 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:44.839 going to look. 338 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:46.799 So incredible, so elegant. 339 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:50.200 That she's ironing the table. You, oh my god, that 340 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.079 should put the additions, because I, oh my god, everything 341 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.680 about it. I just ah, I screamed. I was just like, 342 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.240 oh my god, this is so awesome. 343 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:01.279 I do think because Gabriel Axel is a Danish director 344 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.519 who lived in Paris for a long time, he's very 345 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.039 good at For instance, what's going on in the dining 346 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.559 room is extremely Scandinavian, and what is going on in 347 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.359 the uh in the kitchen is extremely French. Uh. They're 348 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.039 all sitting there trying so hard, and they're you know, 349 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.759 it's it's very like spare and they're not trying to 350 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.559 show any emotion and that sort of thing. And there 351 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:25.880 are people in the kitchen and the kitchen's bubbling away 352 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.039 and she's serving the driver, and she's letting the boy 353 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.319 sample the food and everything, and at the end she 354 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.200 allows herself a glass of the Clode devoujeou wine, which 355 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:40.880 Stefano Dron insisted that they actually pour it the actual 356 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.039 wine for her and said, if you want an actual 357 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.079 French woman's reaction, you will give me real wine. 358 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:47.200 Amazing, and that. 359 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.640 Shot is it's like, oh, yes, she is tasting the 360 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:51.440 best wine. Yeah. 361 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.880 When the whole thing is done and she's sitting and 362 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:56.759 just so beautiful, Oh my god, because it's exactly what 363 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.440 happens when you when you want to. I've seen you, 364 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:01.799 I've seen him in the kitchen, working very hard, and 365 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:03.839 then when it's all done, you're just sitting there and 366 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.920 you're like, you appreciate what you did. You exhausted, but 367 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.160 you pleased that you so many people enjoyed what you did. 368 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.480 And I think that's that's the main point. Yes, it's 369 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.279 a movie about food too, I mean you can't ignore that, 370 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:19.680 but it's combined with a lot of other things, you know, 371 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.640 with love, with acceptance, with with everything. 372 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:27.240 I want to talk about the general because oh yes, 373 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:30.599 one of the other themes that overlays the entire film 374 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.880 is disappointment, right, is disappointment with how your life worked out, 375 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:38.640 and and that's I mean, that is all him, you know, right, 376 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.039 and what I think he serves as a counterpoint. And 377 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.519 also I shill Papa when you when you see the 378 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:46.680 old version of him in Paris, he doesn't seem like 379 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:48.079 a particularly happy old man. 380 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:52.839 Yeah, everyone forgot him, you know, yeah, yeah yeah. 381 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:57.160 And then you have you know, obviously the sisters are 382 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.200 just there are disappointments in the sisters' lives. They they 383 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.240 could have done other things, they could have found love, 384 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.759 they could have had tremendous careers and they didn't, and 385 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.359 they have lived with that their entire life. And then 386 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.400 of course you have Babet, who I mean the disappointments 387 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:16.039 in her life are almost uncountable. And I think when 388 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:17.880 you go around the village, what little you know of 389 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:20.480 those people, they trade little bits and pieces of their stories. 390 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.480 It's like, yes, this is all about people who have 391 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.720 are living with their disappointments, and some of them can 392 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.640 live with them, like the sisters and bb I mean 393 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:32.559 Babet is like I think you can take some lessons 394 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:36.400 from how Babet, you know, lives her life, her ability 395 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:40.039 to get past certain things, her ability to still produce 396 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.720 art like she should, by all rights be the most 397 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.079 oppressed woman in the history of the world. But she's 398 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.240 stoic and she's I mean, I love oh, you know 399 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.400 what scene. I love the scene where she visits the grocery. Oh, 400 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:54.799 I know, and they're speaking back and forth in French 401 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:59.519