1 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:26,399 Speaker 1: We're Tom Lorenzo, and this is the Bitterkitten Movie Club. 2 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,320 Heliciten's welcome back to another edition of the BKMC, a 3 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:32,159 supplemental edition of the PSO podcast where we take a 4 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,399 look at one film per week and just unpack it. 5 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:37,840 And I was gonna say, rip it to shreds, but 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,479 we never do that, actually, and we would never do 7 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,960 it with this. Oh my selection, which is nineteen eighty 8 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,799 seven's Babbett's Feast, which is Lorenzo's number one of all time. 9 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:53,079 And before I tossed to Lorenzo, who is going to 10 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:54,479 have a lot to say about this, I just want 11 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,280 to say, I think it's kind of fascinating. I didn't 12 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,200 realize until we started doing the BKMC that your favorvorite 13 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,159 movie and my favorite movie both are both foreign language 14 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:05,760 films because mine is ways a desire and they both 15 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:07,879 came out in the same year. Oh really yeah, they 16 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:08,920 both came out in eighty seven. 17 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:09,439 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 18 00:01:09,599 --> 00:01:11,799 Speaker 1: And oh, I do want to say, because we were 19 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:13,400 talking and I know you don't want to get into this, 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,680 and I don't blame you about why that film appeals 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,760 so much to you on a personal level, on a 22 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:23,280 profound level. And I really was thinking about this this morning, 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,599 where I was like, you know, if someone really wanted 24 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:29,000 to understand the two of us, like really, this is 25 00:01:29,079 --> 00:01:32,040 Tom and this is Lorenzo, you could do a back 26 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,680 to back. I remember it was ways a desire bubetsfe yes. 27 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: When we first started dating. That's what's one of the 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,680 first things we talked about was international movie. Yeah, and 29 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:47,120 you made anyway, And yes, this is my number one movie. 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,040 I have two other favorite movies. If I had to 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,560 pick what, I picked three, but that's my number one. 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,480 I've always loved this movie my entire life. I saw 33 00:01:56,519 --> 00:01:59,319 it in a movie theater, didn't watch it many, many 34 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:03,400 many times, read the book everything about it. I just 35 00:02:03,519 --> 00:02:05,400 I just fair in love with this movie. And I 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,199 do mean this movie is so beautiful, so poetic, and 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,960 it has to do a lot with the writer. And 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,879 we'll talk about her who wrote the story? 39 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:16,439 Speaker 1: Can I just fill in some details here? So it's 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,120 directed by Gabriel Axel, who is a Danish director film 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,840 director who also spent time in France. So he's also 42 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:28,639 he's you know, when you see an interview with him, 43 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:31,319 it's you think he's French. He's very French in the 44 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:35,199 way he acts. But it's very, very true, and it's 45 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,759 based on the novella The Short Story. It's a short story. 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:40,719 Speaker 2: It's a short story. 47 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,039 Speaker 1: It's a long short story, but it's of the same 48 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:46,800 name by Karen Blixen, who wrote under the name. And 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,800 I've never said this out loud, but I think I'm 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,120 going to do it right each Dennison. I think Denison. 51 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,360 She's famous for Out of Africa, of course, and I 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,520 didn't realize this until we were doing research on this 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,439 film that the only reason this film got made was 54 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:05,879 because of the success ab Out of Africa starring Meryl 55 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:10,680 Streep and Robert Reford. Because Karen Blixen, he'sacked Dennis and 56 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:14,599 was not particularly she was largely forgotten. By the mid eighties, 57 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:15,680 she was larger forgotten. 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: He tried to make the I mean, he tried for 59 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,879 like nineteen years to make Gabrielle Axel. 60 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:20,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and. 61 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: Then finally Out of Africa came out, and he's got 62 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:27,080 the fun so huge success. Everybody started reading her again, 63 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:31,639 Karen Blixen, and and that's how he people got interested, 64 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,960 but even so not that much interested because people felt 65 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,680 it was a very short story. There's nothing there. 66 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: There's nothing there. 67 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:39,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, they felt there was. It wasn't much for a movie. 68 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: I do want to say, like these these bkmc's are 69 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:48,199 entirely focused on films. They're not focused on the books. 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,479 If they were, like we did Atonement last week, and 71 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:53,039 I had nothing at all to say about the book 72 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,719 because we're focused on the film. We focus on things 73 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:59,319 like cinematography and costume design and direction and acting deliberately 74 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,960 because we want this to be a movie club. Having 75 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,680 said that that, yes, I read Babbett's Face last night 76 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:08,520 for the first time. Yeah, I've never read it before. 77 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,319 I'd never read Karen Blixen before, and I'd say I 78 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,840 was charmed. 79 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,719 Speaker 2: She is. 80 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: Her use of language is just beautiful but also very 81 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,439 very charming. There were just times it's not a long rate. 82 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,360 I think I read it in forty minutes. Maybe there 83 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,000 were times where I had to stop and go because 84 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,920 the praising was just so I was so charmed by 85 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,199 it right in terms of and I was also pleasantly 86 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,639 surprised that to read the story is to see the film. 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:45,959 They are almost totally identical. Axel did very very little 88 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,839 to alter the tone of the story or the circumstances 89 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,839 of the story. It is exactly as you know, it's 90 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,680 laid out in the story. 91 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: It's important to mention that the story, but the Babbetts 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,560 Fee story was first published serially in the Ladies Home 93 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:05,480 Jourrenoid nineteen fifty. So that's how we got published. 94 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, because someone another author told Blix and if you 95 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,240 want to break through the American market, right by food. 96 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: So yeah, so she thought about the story about the 97 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:19,240 dinner and all that. So that's when the story was 98 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,680 first published. And then later, you know, with a combination 99 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:23,439 of other stories. 100 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he published in a collection of short story So, okay. 101 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,560 The film it is. There's so much about this film. 102 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:35,439 I love it much in the same manner of Wings 103 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,560 of Desire. It's a film that takes its time, that 104 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,360 doesn't over explain a single thing. It wants you to 105 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:45,360 sit there and experience. It wants you to sit there 106 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,680 quietly and let it all happen to you. And I 107 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:51,240 have to say Axel said, I have a quote from him. 108 00:05:52,879 --> 00:05:55,079 He gave an interview in nineteen eighty eight to Cite 109 00:05:55,079 --> 00:05:58,879 and Sound magazine, and I think this is important. All 110 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,639 I can say is that in Babbet's faced. There's a minister, 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,560 but it's not a film about religion. There's a general, 112 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,759 but it's not a film about the army. There's a cook, 113 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:12,319 but it's not a film about cooking, right, And those 114 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,600 three sentences right there, It's like, Yeah, I did a 115 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,839 lot of reading on this movie over the last two 116 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,600 couple of days, and it's amazing to me how many 117 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,879 people are convinced it's a movie about Jesus, or it's 118 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,759 a movie about French cuisine, or it's a movie about 119 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:30,240 the you know, the his military history. It's a movie 120 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,839 about art. It's about art. It's about being an artist 121 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:37,399 and what art can do to people, how it can 122 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:40,040 bring a community together, how it can heal wounds, that 123 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:40,680 sort of thing. 124 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: Do you agree, Yes, I agree, it's it's it's not 125 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:48,120 about it. I'd say it's about artistry. Artistry fair, because 126 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,600 it's it's what you can do. It's it's how you 127 00:06:51,639 --> 00:06:56,439 can prove to yourself or to everybody that you know 128 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,720 you have a talent, you have you have a craft, 129 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,199 and then you know, just let me show what I 130 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,120 can do. That's pretty. 131 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: Let me do this for you because I can. 132 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:05,879 Speaker 2: Let me do this for you because I can. That's 133 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:09,399 the whole point of the movie. I absolutely adore the 134 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:12,439 whole story. I'm very much into small village like in 135 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,600 the middle of nowhere type. I mean, that's why I 136 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:17,800 love I. Yes, when I was a teenager, I read 137 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:19,879 all the actor Christie's movie and I fell in love 138 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,480 with Miss Marple and I wanted to live with her. 139 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,639 Speaker 1: Miss Marple, you ran over that way, I'm. 140 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: Sorry, Miss Marple. I wanted to live with her because 141 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:31,000 it was just this cottage small, you know. 142 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:31,759 Speaker 1: I just love that. 143 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:34,439 Speaker 2: And I fell in love with the small village with 144 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:39,600 these two ladies devoted to their father, gave up everything, 145 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,839 voted to their community, to the community the father, you know, 146 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,240 and gave up everything. One of them was very talented, 147 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:51,399 and I think that's very interesting because towards the end 148 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:53,759 of the movie, when she hugs Babets, I mean, she 149 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:55,519 understands because she's also in artist. 150 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: She she has a beautifuless, repeats what Monsieur Papin says 151 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,639 to her, which I he at one point says, the angels, 152 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,759 you know, will hear your voice in heaven, and she's 153 00:08:04,199 --> 00:08:06,800 she repeats that back to bad At the end of 154 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,199 the film, and I think that's important because you're right. 155 00:08:10,279 --> 00:08:14,240 It was artist to artist, yes, and I understood. And 156 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:16,879 she was repeating the words that she had received from 157 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,279 a mentor artist herself. And that's like I read essays 158 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:26,800 about this film that picked apart the cuisine. It wasn't 159 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:31,160 historically correct, it wasn't typically French, it was there was 160 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,559 And I will say this, I was watching the film. 161 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,600 We watched it last night, and I have not seen 162 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,720 it in a while, and there were certain aspects of 163 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:42,639 it that my age and experience caused me to look 164 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,879 at it in a different way, one of which is 165 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:47,960 Lorenz Lohenheim, who I do want to talk about him 166 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,279 because I'm a lot closer to his age now and 167 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,080 I sort of get where he's coming from. But the 168 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:55,159 other thing is I'm a much more accomplished cook than 169 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,120 I was the first time I saw this film how many, however, 170 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:01,639 many decades ago, and I was watching it, going, ain't 171 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,200 no way you're doing that in that kitchen. You don't 172 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,360 have the space, you don't have the tools. 173 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,639 Speaker 2: So I was I think that's meaning the criticism in general, 174 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:13,240 that you know, she just doesn't have the equipment. 175 00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: Or the kitchen, have the equipment they showed her using 176 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:18,480 specific Well, first off, she had all those copper pots, 177 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:20,639 and there's no way the sisters had those pots. Well, 178 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,919 she bought it every she bought everything. She bought the 179 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,240 table setting, she bought the china, she bought everything. And 180 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:28,240 she had a bleany pan at one point when she 181 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:30,559 was making the clean and this was specialized stuff. But 182 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:33,799 I did read a cook point out that to make 183 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,519 turtle soup from a living turtle would take an entire 184 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:40,000 day and you would need a kitchen three times that sung. 185 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,720 But I also saw, and this to me is a 186 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,799 little more on point. I saw. I read essays by 187 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,480 religious people, preachers that sort of thing, who were looking 188 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:56,000 at it from a religious perspective, right, and also criticizing it. 189 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Because if you look at if you, for instance, take 190 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:07,320 the perspective of Christian charity or Christian sacrifice, which you 191 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:14,120 know permeates the film, then Babet's Babet's choice is about ego. 192 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,240 It's not about helping other people, and she trashes an 193 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,919 entire lifetime worth of money just to do this one thing. 194 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,320 So from a theological perspective it might not you know, 195 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:29,039 you could possibly find some criticism there. I am not 196 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,879 criticizing any of this. I think actually those perspectives are 197 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:34,720 interesting to consider. But as Axel points out, this is 198 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,399 not a film about religion, and it's not a film 199 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:39,039 about food. It's about community and art. 200 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,159 Speaker 2: This is Yeah, the movie is about community. It's those 201 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,919 people live in the same village and knowing each other. 202 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,240 You know, they all know each other for a very 203 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,600 long time, and they practiced a religion. 204 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: They're a Lutheran. It's a Lutheran s act. 205 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they got older together, they go through a lot 206 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,600 of stuff together, and all of a sudden, this woman 207 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:02,039 shows up because her whole family died. Yeah, and she 208 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,360 has to live there. It's not her choice. I'm sure 209 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:08,279 she didn't want to live there, but she ends up 210 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,840 living there with these two ladies, serving those two ladies. 211 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,480 And it's just very interesting because she it's it's it's 212 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,399 it's about accepting what has come to you. 213 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,279 Speaker 1: That's true. 214 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: And I for all of them, the ladies, you know, 215 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,559 they would be married with kids and all that, but 216 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:30,639 that didn't happen because of their religion and the father, 217 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,440 the pressure of the father and all that. So they 218 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,200 chose to live their life, you know, helping the community. 219 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,759 Their lives, helping the community. So it's it's very interesting. 220 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:41,960 And but that is just so amazing. It's such a 221 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,000 wonderful character because you can feel her pain the entire time, 222 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,080 and yet she she wants to do what she's supposed 223 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,039 to do, you know, or she said she was going 224 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,039 to do. She's going to be there and cook for 225 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,639 those two ladies, serve them, clean the house and all that. 226 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,279 Speaker 1: I don't think she's she cleans the house. I don't 227 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:01,879 think you ever really see her do that. Well, I 228 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,120 think she does all the cooking. 229 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: No, you see her cleaning the weather. That's right. 230 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: You do see her cleaning which right, which. 231 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,919 Speaker 2: Which means that she cleaned the house. And they show 232 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,480 her room and you can see her. 233 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: It's an attic. It's nothing, it's nothing. 234 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,399 Speaker 2: And thanks to Stefanodram, she is the one who asked 235 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,080 to design that room because she said, I think we 236 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,960 should show how she lives. Not that the two ladies 237 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,480 were rich, but her room is far. Yeah, it's worth Yeah. 238 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:34,159 I just think it's about love, it's about acceptance. It's 239 00:12:34,159 --> 00:12:38,919 about finally having a chance to show who you are 240 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:43,159 truly as an artist. Because she gets the money, she 241 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,759 wins the lottery, and then she said, I'm just going 242 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,720 to use this money to do one more thing in 243 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,320 my life, which I think is amazing, man, amazing. 244 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: I also think the film, and again, this is one 245 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,759 of those things that I didn't understand when I watched 246 00:12:56,759 --> 00:12:59,159 it as a young man, but I had much more 247 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,360 of an understanding now. Obviously, everyone in the film is 248 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,559 almost everyone in the film is elderly, so it is 249 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,840 a film about old people. And subsequently it is also 250 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:14,000 a film that is dealing significantly with death but not 251 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,639 being overt about it. One of the courses and the 252 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,279 meal is Kayans sacrifage, which is quails in a coffin basically. 253 00:13:25,879 --> 00:13:29,799 And you know, that's what I love about Axles. He 254 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,519 doesn't go too far with this stuff. He doesn't overstate it. 255 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,600 The other thing is it's twelve disciples around the table, 256 00:13:36,759 --> 00:13:41,039 and it's this figure doing a tremendous sacrifice to serve 257 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,200 these people. So of course the allusion to the twelve 258 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:46,879 the Last Supper is there, but I love that he 259 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,120 did not overplay that. And a less talented director, I guarantee, 260 00:13:51,159 --> 00:13:54,320 a less talented director would have done the Michelangelo frame 261 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,399 would have had them all like mimicking that. There's nothing 262 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,000 of that in the film. The last shot of the 263 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:05,120 film is a candle going out. It is all about 264 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:08,200 I mean, death is all over this film, but it 265 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,039 is not a morbid film and it is not heavy 266 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,480 in its symbolism. And I do so appreciate that light, light, 267 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,440 light touch that he takes through the whole thing and. 268 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,559 Speaker 2: Down to the Canada was written by Karen Blixen's I 269 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,519 know she wrote all that. She her writing is amazing 270 00:14:23,919 --> 00:14:27,759 if please try and go find her books. I mean, 271 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:29,000 Out of Africa is amazing. 272 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: This story is amazing, and you can read it, and 273 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:33,320 like I said, unless you can read it very quickly. 274 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,080 Why don't we take a break because I know you 275 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,039 want to talk about who designed. 276 00:14:38,759 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's let's stay that, I know, but I 277 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:44,080 want to talk about the casts in general and a 278 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:44,600 lot of others. 279 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have much to talk about, so we'll be 280 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:49,960 right back. We're back, Lorenzo go. 281 00:14:51,399 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: I also love the whole the entire cast, as you said, 282 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,240 I mean, Gaboraxo actually mentioned that it was very hard 283 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,759 to convince people to make a movie about old people pray. 284 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,919 Speaker 1: With that essentially an eating and. 285 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,039 Speaker 2: That's essentially what they do, you know, on the surface. 286 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,399 But anyway, but it's an amazing cast. They're all amazing, creative, 287 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,080 talented Danish actors. 288 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all. We're very highly respected, all of. 289 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: Them, and you can see they're so talented. They do 290 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,120 such a good job. I love all of them. Unfortunately, 291 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,240 of course they're all dead, but they they are amazing. 292 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,240 I'm glad, I'm glad. I'm so. That's one thing I 293 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,879 take about the I mentioned that there's a scene where, 294 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:36,799 you know, but Bet needs help and she gets this 295 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,879 boy to help her. And I just adore the whole 296 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:42,159 thing with the boy because towards the end the boy 297 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,679 there's a shot of the boy eating me. 298 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:48,159 Speaker 1: And he takes a drink, yeah, general wine. 299 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: But then, you know, Gabor Axa made the point of, 300 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,000 you know, to show that the boy also ate that meal, 301 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:55,759 and I just love all of that. 302 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,279 Speaker 1: The respect That's something I didn't want to bring up 303 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,000 is that this is so kind and respectful of the 304 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:06,000 people in the story. One of the things you could do, 305 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:11,840 I mean, listen, a story about a sect of people 306 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:14,840 a far apart from everybody having their first glass of 307 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:18,120 wine in their first you know, French food, and you 308 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:20,279 could make that very funny. You could make fun of 309 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,200 those people. The other thing is you could look at 310 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,039 the sisters in this story and see them as pathetic. 311 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:29,639 You know, their choices were pathetic. They ran away from 312 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:32,559 the world, they gave up on love. The film doesn't 313 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:35,759 do any of that. It respects that these people live 314 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:38,879 a certain kind of life, and for the most part, 315 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:41,159 that life works for them. There's some you know, they're 316 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,399 arguing in the village and everything like that, but the 317 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,399 sisters have a pretty nice life. It's the life that 318 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,279 they want. And again your point about it's not just 319 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,639 the boy but also the driver who sits in the 320 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,159 kitchen and samples everything. And he's probably my favorite character 321 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,519 because they let him enjoy it. He and the general 322 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,279 are the only people who are allowed to just enjoy 323 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,680 this meal because they've all decided that it's too sinful. 324 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Joy, that's a good point. 325 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,799 Speaker 1: Their reactions are important. Otherwise you wouldn't realize how amazing 326 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:14,480 this meal was. 327 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: That's a very good point. 328 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm very smart that ye yes you are. 329 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: But it's just the whole thing is beautiful. I remember 330 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,519 a teenager I saw the movie in a movie theater 331 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:28,400 and when she sets the table, and I remember at 332 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:29,599 the time, I had no idea what. 333 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: You were not a teenager when we whenever, I was young, bitch. 334 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: I was young. Okay, that's all it matters. I was 335 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:41,480 young anyway, younger. But I remember like amazed by the 336 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:44,160 whole thing because I wasn't expecting that the table was 337 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:44,839 going to look. 338 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,799 Speaker 1: So incredible, so elegant. 339 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: That she's ironing the table. You, oh my god, that 340 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,079 should put the additions, because I, oh my god, everything 341 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:55,680 about it. I just ah, I screamed. I was just like, 342 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,240 oh my god, this is so awesome. 343 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:01,279 Speaker 1: I do think because Gabriel Axel is a Danish director 344 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:04,519 who lived in Paris for a long time, he's very 345 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:08,039 good at For instance, what's going on in the dining 346 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,559 room is extremely Scandinavian, and what is going on in 347 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:15,359 the uh in the kitchen is extremely French. Uh. They're 348 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,039 all sitting there trying so hard, and they're you know, 349 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,759 it's it's very like spare and they're not trying to 350 00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:23,559 show any emotion and that sort of thing. And there 351 00:18:23,599 --> 00:18:25,880 are people in the kitchen and the kitchen's bubbling away 352 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:29,039 and she's serving the driver, and she's letting the boy 353 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:33,319 sample the food and everything, and at the end she 354 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,200 allows herself a glass of the Clode devoujeou wine, which 355 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:40,880 Stefano Dron insisted that they actually pour it the actual 356 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,039 wine for her and said, if you want an actual 357 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,079 French woman's reaction, you will give me real wine. 358 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: Amazing, and that. 359 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: Shot is it's like, oh, yes, she is tasting the 360 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,440 best wine. Yeah. 361 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 2: When the whole thing is done and she's sitting and 362 00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:56,759 just so beautiful, Oh my god, because it's exactly what 363 00:18:56,839 --> 00:18:59,440 happens when you when you want to. I've seen you, 364 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:01,799 I've seen him in the kitchen, working very hard, and 365 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:03,839 then when it's all done, you're just sitting there and 366 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,920 you're like, you appreciate what you did. You exhausted, but 367 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,160 you pleased that you so many people enjoyed what you did. 368 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,480 And I think that's that's the main point. Yes, it's 369 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,279 a movie about food too, I mean you can't ignore that, 370 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,680 but it's combined with a lot of other things, you know, 371 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,640 with love, with acceptance, with with everything. 372 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the general because oh yes, 373 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,599 one of the other themes that overlays the entire film 374 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,880 is disappointment, right, is disappointment with how your life worked out, 375 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:38,640 and and that's I mean, that is all him, you know, right, 376 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,039 and what I think he serves as a counterpoint. And 377 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:44,519 also I shill Papa when you when you see the 378 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:46,680 old version of him in Paris, he doesn't seem like 379 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,079 a particularly happy old man. 380 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone forgot him, you know, yeah, yeah yeah. 381 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: And then you have you know, obviously the sisters are 382 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,200 just there are disappointments in the sisters' lives. They they 383 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,240 could have done other things, they could have found love, 384 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:06,759 they could have had tremendous careers and they didn't, and 385 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:09,359 they have lived with that their entire life. And then 386 00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:12,400 of course you have Babet, who I mean the disappointments 387 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,039 in her life are almost uncountable. And I think when 388 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:17,880 you go around the village, what little you know of 389 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,480 those people, they trade little bits and pieces of their stories. 390 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:22,480 It's like, yes, this is all about people who have 391 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:25,720 are living with their disappointments, and some of them can 392 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:28,640 live with them, like the sisters and bb I mean 393 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,559 Babet is like I think you can take some lessons 394 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:36,400 from how Babet, you know, lives her life, her ability 395 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,039 to get past certain things, her ability to still produce 396 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:42,720 art like she should, by all rights be the most 397 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,079 oppressed woman in the history of the world. But she's 398 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,240 stoic and she's I mean, I love oh, you know 399 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:52,400 what scene. I love the scene where she visits the grocery. Oh, 400 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,799 I know, and they're speaking back and forth in French 401 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,519 and Danish and first off, but he's very charming, and 402 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,839 you can tell that they love her, that this village 403 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,240 actually loves this bizarre, papist French woman with her strange ways. 404 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,240 And you can also tell that she has achieved a 405 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,440 certain level of comfort in her as much as she's 406 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,920 able to like that this is her life, this is 407 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,839 where she is, and all of that to me is 408 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,039 very Again I think at this stage in my life, 409 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,279 I'm like, yeah, that's a good lesson. That's a good 410 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:28,119 thing to keep. To take away from this film is 411 00:21:28,519 --> 00:21:30,880 how do you move on from your disappointments, how do 412 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,200 you keep going? How do you find and deliver beauty 413 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:34,839 in the world. 414 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:37,759 Speaker 2: I think that's the main lesson here. We all make mistakes, 415 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:41,720 we all have things suffer decided for us, and then 416 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,640 and we suffer the consequences of all that, and we 417 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:47,359 just have to be smart and learn how we're going 418 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,119 to deal with whatever happened to us, you know, from 419 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,440 from that point on. And I think the movie does. 420 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,039 Speaker 1: A very good, beautiful what happened. 421 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: What happened to me Bet is horrific. I mean, her 422 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:59,960 son died, her husband died, everybody died back in France, 423 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,000 and and that's her life now. 424 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: And she no, she lives in an attic in on 425 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,519 the coast of Denmark. 426 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,519 Speaker 2: Yeah so, but yet she managed to do this. Amazing 427 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,359 you because it's it's her I don't know, it's her moment, 428 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,720 it's her moment back. 429 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's allowing her to reclaim her artistry. 430 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: A little bit, yes, for at least for one night. 431 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: Which is powerful for her. I do note again, I 432 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:32,200 don't this isn't about the book, but I didn't or 433 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,079 the story, but it is interesting to me that blicks 434 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:37,559 and at the end of the story, the scene is 435 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:40,640 almost identical when she tells the sisters that she spent 436 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:43,119 all her money and that you know, she's not going 437 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,519 back to France and they're so shocked, and they said, 438 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:47,799 you shouldn't have done that for us, And the film 439 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,119 does she does say I didn't do it for you, 440 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,799 And I think her point is very clear, but she 441 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,599 actually says much more in the story. And it's interesting 442 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,960 because Bebeck gets very haughty in French at the end 443 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,519 to the story and it's like you women wouldn't understand 444 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,279 with your small lives, bubblah bub. She's not insulting, but 445 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,279 she's very haughty in French. And he took that out 446 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,279 completely right, she did. It ends on a grace note 447 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:15,359 with the sister hugging her and everything like that. And actually, 448 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,759 I think that's a very smart choice because it ends 449 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,880 it ends on a grace note. You know, I don't 450 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,359 know that I would call it uplifting, but it's not depressing. 451 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. We also have to remember the story was written 452 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,599 back in nineteen fifty when a lot of wars, a 453 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,720 lot of stuff has had five years after the war, 454 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,160 and so I guess Karen Blixen had that in mind. 455 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:36,920 You know, like people are suffering and you live in 456 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,160 a small town, right, small village, and you don't understand. 457 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,160 You don't know what's going on. 458 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on out there. Yeah, so 459 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:48,240 ba bets. Yeah, so cloak and uniform, which are stunning 460 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,000 on camera. 461 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: So it's Stefan o Doom. She has done a ton 462 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:55,279 of movies with her husband especially she's amazing. Yeah, go 463 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,920 check her movies. She is gorgeous, she's so fab with 464 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,000 I love her. Anyway, she died like a year time, Yeah, 465 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:04,519 she died recently. So anyway, she knew Carlaga felt because 466 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:08,680 they worked together before. Uh so she called him and 467 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,079 asked if he was interested in doing the costumes for 468 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:11,880 my God, did you. 469 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: Mention he only did the costumes for her, though only. 470 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: For her, not not for so. He did all the 471 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,079 sketches and beautiful sketches. And the director Gabriel Acts couldn't 472 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,720 believe how gorgeous they were, had never seen anything like it, 473 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,799 and they went with whatever they decided. There was a 474 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:31,680 collaboration between Stefan and and and I mean her. 475 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: French in comparison to the villagers, but not you know, 476 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,720 they're not ostentatious, but they're clearly of high quality. There. 477 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,440 That cloak is so freaking dramatic. 478 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,559 Speaker 2: It's dramatic when she shows up and wearing that cloak 479 00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:45,279 and the hat, the little hat. 480 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: The little French hat. 481 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and the costume and pretty much one costume, 482 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,519 the entire time, and the only change they made was 483 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,960 the apron was white, designed by Carlogold, and then director said, no, no, 484 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:00,200 I want everything gray because the movie is great. The 485 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,440 colors are very dark and you know, somber anyway, so 486 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,240 they change that. But she looked amazing. 487 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:10,319 Speaker 1: All of the costumes are impeccable, even on the villagers. 488 00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:16,519 I question whether that's particularly accurate. I mean, these people 489 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:20,240 don't have money. They tend to wear clothes like, for instance, 490 00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:23,200 by the time of the dinner, that that has been 491 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,640 living there for fourteen years, presumably wearing that same outfit, 492 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,680 and it looks impeccable. This is not a criticism. This 493 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:34,079 goes back to I'd never finished Axel's quote to Site 494 00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:35,920 and Sound magazine where he said, this isn't a film 495 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,200 about the army, this isn't a film about cooking. He 496 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,480 finishes that quote by saying, it's a fairy tale and 497 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:43,880 if you try to over explain it, you destroy it. 498 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,400 Bottom line. That's it right there. Yeah, So you can 499 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,000 look at things like she can't make a meal like 500 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,119 that in that kitchen, Why are there clothes so nice? 501 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,000 It's a fairytale. It's a fairy tale about art. And 502 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:59,000 community and dying basically, because everybody in that story is 503 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,680 going to be dead in five years except for maybe 504 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,240 by bet. They're all elderly. 505 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: Right and they're facing that. 506 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, they are facing that. 507 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 2: And you know, having a wonderful meal, the celebrating an 508 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,200 important moment. 509 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: And getting drunk for the first time. 510 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: Yes, I know. 511 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: Blixen does actually make that far clearer in the story 512 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,720 that they're all pretty much drunk by the well you 513 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,119 can tell. 514 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: And I. 515 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,599 Speaker 1: Do love that because there are those scenes in the 516 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:32,720 film where it's very clear that these people are getting 517 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,480 soused for the first time in their lives and they 518 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,119 don't know it. And again, you could be making fun 519 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,079 of these people for that, but it's not. It's very 520 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,839 gentle about that. And then the fact that it's you know, 521 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,079 they go outside and they all join hands and start 522 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,720 singing a song. And I turned to you and I 523 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,160 was like, these people are drunk as hell right now 524 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,319 and they don't even know it. 525 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: No, it's it's again acceptance. They accept that they have 526 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,200 to drink and eat that food. And I want to 527 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,640 get spoiled for anyone. 528 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,799 Speaker 1: But well, if you're listening, I'm assuming yeah. 529 00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:00,759 Speaker 2: I'm assuming you watched the movie. But anyway, the point 530 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,880 is that they're going to eat and drink everything served. 531 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,319 And I love that because it's it's also a way 532 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:08,599 of saying, you know, I'm going to experiment. I'm going 533 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,519 to experience something different that I haven't done before. 534 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,759 Speaker 1: I someday I'd like to have Kayne sacriflege. I know 535 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,640 it's a little gross to look at, and as I 536 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,960 said to you, I'm like, I really don't want to 537 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,559 eat anything with a head on it. 538 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,039 Speaker 2: I do remember at the time, all the restaurants were 539 00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,599 all the restaurants, A lot of restaurants were doing I 540 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,559 was too poor to go and taste anything, and also 541 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,200 it's not my kind of food, but I Stefan o'dona 542 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,799 also said that when she toured here in the United States, 543 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,200 and she was in Chicago, Los Angeles, everywhere, they were 544 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,079 all New York, they were all doing the meal. 545 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,599 Speaker 1: The meal took two weeks to shoot. Oh wow, and 546 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,839 they brought in a date and I did a chef, 547 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720 Yeah that I knew who who did a lot of 548 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,920 the close up work. But apparently she was very Stefano 549 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,160 dron learned how to do all that. I mean, obviously 550 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,920 she didn't make the meal, but in order to be 551 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,319 you know, confident on camera, to be able to use 552 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,599 those skills, she learned them. 553 00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. She talks about her how her husband likes to cook, 554 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,519 like to cook and all that, and then she learned 555 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,599 a lot from him and then watching him, and then 556 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,920 that she wanted to be in the kitchen and you know, 557 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,279 do as much as she could. 558 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,799 Speaker 1: And the only other thing I'll say, uh, but you have. 559 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: To think you have to back to the Mere's just 560 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,119 one more thing you have to remember, because we take 561 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 all these things for granted, they had pineapple, they had 562 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,960 they had fig figs, they had all kinds of papaya everything. 563 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,319 Speaker 1: I mean, nobody had to bring that to the proast 564 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,279 to Denmark and whatever. 565 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: A block of ice for the for the bottles, all that. 566 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,799 It's just I can't imagine if you lived in you know, 567 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:42,960 in that small village and it had never seen any 568 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,000 of that before. Yeah, you think she's she's a witch. 569 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: They did think she was a witch. And then I 570 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,799 just want to point out cinematographer Henting Christiansen, who did 571 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,799 who took his inspiration from Vermier paintings and Whistler paintings 572 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,960 and you can see that in so much of the composition. 573 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,720 The lighting in the film is beautiful. 574 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,079 Speaker 2: Yes, the music. 575 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: The music is also gorgeous. And when I say the lighting, 576 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,720 I mean not just the candlelight, although you know significant 577 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:14,319 portion of the film is candlelight. Uh. There are sunsets 578 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,119 and sunrises that are just beautifully depicted in their darkness, 579 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,640 because this is not a lush landscape. It's a rather 580 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,960 depressing one. I think I have done everything now in 581 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:27,599 costume direction, writing. 582 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, there's also the post on our site. 583 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:32,039 Speaker 1: And we're going to do the post on our site. 584 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:33,480 But if there's anything you want to add, the only 585 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,960 thing I'll say that's the one thing that always bugged 586 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,599 me about this film is I felt that the two 587 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,960 young actresses who played the sisters were miscast, and each 588 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,400 of them should have played the opposite system. A lot 589 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,200 of people have said that because one of them has 590 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,799 big round eyes, and then they go to the and 591 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,880 they you know what, for a long time, I got 592 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,759 them confused. I got them confused because the actresses, the 593 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,200 young actresses, if you flip them, actually resembled the old one. 594 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: I've read that many times. 595 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, did he get confused which one was playing, 596 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,119 which I've read that many times that you kind of 597 00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,680 get confused if you flip them. They're perfectly cast. They 598 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,440 look just like that. And I will say, the young 599 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,440 guy who plays Lorenz and the old guy who plays 600 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,359 they look like the same guy forty years apart. 601 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: But everything, the costumes, the the everything, the sets. Yeah 602 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640 they yeah. He chose that place and pretty much created 603 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,839 the entire village for the movie. It's beautiful. The movie. Uh, 604 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,920 if you know, if you're old enough and you remember 605 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,920 the movie back then in the eighties, I mean it 606 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,480 was huge. 607 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Oscar the World. Yeah, people, it was the first Danish 608 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:37,759 film to win. 609 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: Yes, it was, I think it was, and everybody loved 610 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,079 the movie. It was just it's just an incredible movie. 611 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: One final thing. The guy who played the ship uh huh. 612 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,079 I was charmed by him in this piece of the time. 613 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:53,559 I first off, he is adorable, but secondly he's kind 614 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,240 of this big French buffoon and it's kind of funny. 615 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,920 But at the same time, again it's age and looking 616 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,519 at these scenes slightly differently. He got really inappropriate with Philippa. 617 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,400 Yes he really didn't. I did not realize that when 618 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,000 I first watched the film as a young man, Oh, 619 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,720 she's so uptight, and I'm like, no, he is, you know, 620 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,319 way out of line with the way he's touching her. 621 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,519 Speaker 2: He yeah, he was way out of line. And he was. 622 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: Very French, that's what he was. 623 00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: Yes, he was very French. And he was already thinking 624 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,720 of her career or her success and all that and 625 00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:25,359 marrying her. 626 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: Probably he was adorable though he's still alive, actually is it. Yeah, 627 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,240 he wasn't that old. He was only like thirty six 628 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:33,279 and when they shot that. 629 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,599 Speaker 2: But it's beautiful if you like, for me the Painter, 630 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,400 it's very much inspired by the whole cinematography. Everything is 631 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,480 just cool. Just absolutely go. Yeah, it's a beautiful movie. 632 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: You have the opera, it's inspired by Vermier, you know, 633 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,079 it's you know and there yeah, felt, there's so much 634 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:52,759 there to love. 635 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: And Stefan Odeleine. If you don't know who she is, 636 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:55,599 google her. 637 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: She is an amazing she gives an amazing performance, was 638 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,359 an amazing actor. She should have gotten an Oscar for 639 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,279 her because she does so much just with her face. 640 00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: Now, but Gwyneth Paltrow has an Oscar anyway. 641 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:11,119 Speaker 1: Never miss a chance all right. We will be back 642 00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,559 next week with two podcasts. The first one will be 643 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,960 with the regular PSO and who knows what that'll be about. 644 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:21,279 And then we're watching First Reformed next week, Great, which 645 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,400 I have never seen and actually don't know a thing about. 646 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,839 And that's great because I've seen Babbett's fe's like forty times. 647 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,759 All Right, so we'll be back then and take care 648 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:31,599 o yourselves, have a great weekend. Love you mean it, 649 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,759 but love you bye.