1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:05,759 Speaker 2: You guys, this has. 3 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 3: Been a long time coming. 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: We are so excited to have is our guest today, 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,400 bay Ya Angar Sargan. 6 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: If you watch our show, you. 7 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 3: Know what huge fans we are. 8 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,199 Speaker 1: You know how often we use her clips. So we've 9 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,920 got her here in person now. She is a journalist 10 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,719 and an author and now host of her very own 11 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,640 show on News Nation at four pm Eastern on Saturdays. 12 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,559 Speaker 3: So we will talk about. 13 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: News of the day. 14 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:32,119 Speaker 1: Obviously we'll get to some you know, narco terrorists and whatnot, 15 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,439 But first we wanted to just hear a little bit 16 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,520 about your background. We know you were born here in 17 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,119 the United States, but you attended high school in Israel. 18 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,439 Speaker 2: So how did that happen. 19 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:43,799 Speaker 1: And how did you end up being on this career path. 20 00:00:44,799 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me. 21 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,079 I love the show. I think you guys bring the 22 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,200 exact right tone to a lot of the ninkham poopery, 23 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,719 shall we say, cops on the Right, which is you 24 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,399 just laugh at it, which is exact exactly what is needed. 25 00:01:01,439 --> 00:01:03,200 I'm sure we'll get into this, but I think the 26 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:05,560 like taking it too seriously is a big part of 27 00:01:05,599 --> 00:01:09,319 the problem. I just love you, guys. I love this show. 28 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:14,120 It makes me feel so warm and happy and even 29 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:16,879 to laugh at myself sometimes. So anyway, thank you so 30 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,879 much for having me. We're so happy that you are 31 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:24,200 doing for our nation. Yeah. I was born here and 32 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,640 my parents were Orthodox Jews, and they decided that that 33 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,599 we were living in Boston at the time, and they 34 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:34,040 were very worried that the school was not religious enough, 35 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:35,560 and so we moved to Israel and I went to 36 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,959 high school there and it was a really intense experience. 37 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,640 But the thing that I remember the most is when 38 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,799 I got back here for college, I just felt this 39 00:01:45,879 --> 00:01:48,959 immense sense of relief. And it took me a long 40 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,280 time to understand what that was. And it was just 41 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:55,200 like I'm an American and I was home, and like, 42 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:58,560 I feel very strongly like that this is like this 43 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,599 land is my homeland. And I think that Jews felt 44 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:04,159 that way who lived here. I mean, there were Jews 45 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:08,000 in America since sixteen fifty four, and they really felt 46 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,360 that this was the Promised Land. And that's how I 47 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,199 feel about it. And I think I can remember that, 48 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,560 like I went to college and I was like, why 49 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,400 do I feel so buoyant all the time? And you know, 50 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:20,039 at the time, I wouldn't have had the language to 51 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,400 say it's probably the First Amendment, but that stuff is 52 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:30,080 spiritual for us as Americans, I think. And how did 53 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,439 I become a journalist? Was? I was? I wanted to 54 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:35,039 become a journalist, but you have to take a lot 55 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,599 of unpaid internships in order to do that. It's why 56 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,639 our journalism sucks right now, which is what first book 57 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,680 was about, because like only rich kids basically become journalists, 58 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:50,439 rich leftists, who are you know type? So basically I 59 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,159 was like, I can't do that, you know. So I 60 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,680 basically went back to school. I got my PhD. And 61 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,240 while I was writing my PhD thesis, I moved to 62 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:01,199 New York I had been living, and I got at Berkeley. 63 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:03,400 I was living in northern California. As you can imagine, 64 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:04,840 I was not very popular there. 65 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:08,039 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Berkeley. Wow. Yeah, yeah. 66 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: I wasn't like conservative at the time. But it was 67 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,960 just like the like the obvious, like ridiculousness of the 68 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:19,240 politics of my peers. Like I was pretty apolitical at 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,599 the time, but like just if you just would say, 70 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:23,759 like wait, why do you think that it was like 71 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,759 you would get like immediately like so I didn't like 72 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,879 really fit in there. So I moved to New York 73 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,800 to finish writing my thesis. And at that point I 74 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,240 moved my husband. I moved in together, and he's Ukrainian Jewish. 75 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:41,759 They stay near their mamas. His mom lived, so we 76 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:44,759 moved to Sheepshid Babie to South Brooklyn and it was 77 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,439 literally a month later that Hurricane Sandy happened. It was 78 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:52,159 this like massive, massive hurricane. It was wild, you guys. 79 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:54,039 Like we lived on the third floor of a Victorian 80 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,879 in the attic and you would look out the window 81 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,960 and basically this five foot wave just came down the street. 82 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,479 All the cars and their alarms would go off, but 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,360 you couldn't hear anything because they were underwater, so you 84 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,919 would just see the lights blinking under this massive wave. 85 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:12,639 It was like it was wild. 86 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:13,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. 87 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: Basically what happened was there was in Brighton Beach there 88 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:21,240 was a huge community of undocumented immigrants living in basement apartments, 89 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,839 illegal like conversions, and they all they lost everything because 90 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,879 the basement apartments just got completely like wiped out. And 91 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,600 the landlords of course were like while these people aren't documented, 92 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:34,639 we don't have to give them back their security deposits. 93 00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:37,480 They it was horrible. It was really sad. They were 94 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,399 living in the church. So I kept waiting for somebody 95 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:42,160 to like write an article about this, because I'd like 96 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:43,920 walk around the neighborhood to talk to people, and like, 97 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,319 no one was writing about it, no one was writing 98 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:46,920 about it. Finally, a friend of mine set, well, why 99 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,720 don't you write about it? And I was like, Poshaw, 100 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,560 I don't know how to do that. I'm I write 101 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,319 long sentences that nobody can understand. I don't know how 102 00:04:57,319 --> 00:04:59,480 to do that. He's like, well, do together, and we 103 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,639 did and it was so like immediately I was like, oh, 104 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,120 of course I'm supposed to be doing this. And it 105 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,560 was a struggle because I was I literally, you guys, 106 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,199 so I'm this is twenty twelve. I was thirty or 107 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,959 some of the thirty one. I don't remember how exactly 108 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:17,720 how old I was, but I literally would have interviews 109 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:20,920 and people would say you're too old, like these are 110 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,680 jobs for people in their twenties. 111 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,079 Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah, and it's like it really, like 112 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,079 you really think, like is that true? 113 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: Like when somebody who's high up in an industry tells 114 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,800 you something like that, You don't. I was just like, 115 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,120 there's no way that's true. Yeah wow, But it's really 116 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,959 it's a very punishing industry. The people in it suck. 117 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,959 Chris Arnatti, do you guys know that guy? He wrote 118 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:47,959 this amazing book called Dignity. He was on the whole 119 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,439 like the left has sold out the working class like 120 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,319 way before I was. But he's worked in a lot 121 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,720 of different industries, like five or six different industries. He 122 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:58,160 always says, like the journals are the worst, Like they're 123 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:02,680 the worst. They're just so petty and van glorious. They're 124 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:06,560 over credentialed. Most of them come from wealthy families. They 125 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,399 have immense, immense like guilt and white shame and guilt 126 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:12,680 about it, like you would die if you knew how 127 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:14,759 rich they were. So they do all right, the weird 128 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:18,360 stuff to hide it like they're horrible. So but all 129 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:21,120 of them just to say yeah, eventually you know, years 130 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:22,360 later here I am. 131 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,879 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, and they had they're the ones. They're 132 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,920 the ones you have like initially lost so much touch 133 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,959 with the working class and now that's that's our party, 134 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,639 don't you think they're Republicans. Like the left always said, Hey, 135 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:36,639 we're the ones who are in touch with the working class. 136 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,959 We love you know, like people who are lower lower, 137 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:43,920 lower to mid class. And now it's Republicans. I mean, 138 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,680 we'd showed that in the last election, right, which is 139 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,839 and trying to flip that narrative with the rest of 140 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:51,839 the because a lot of people still buy into the 141 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,639 whole Republicans are all rich people, which we're like, what 142 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:56,920 because it's. 143 00:06:56,879 --> 00:07:01,199 Speaker 2: Just not the truth. It's absolutely not the truth. And yeah, the. 144 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: Whole oligarchy tour. It turns out that for every billionaire 145 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:08,879 who donated to Donald Trump's campaign, Kamala Harris had two. Wow, 146 00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:11,279 about seventy percent of Americans and now who make over 147 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,279 five hundred thousand dollars a year are Democrats. Nine of 148 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,759 the ten wealthiest counties in America democrats. Kamala Harris won 149 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,959 the majority of people who make over one hundred thousand dollars. 150 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Trump won the majority of Americans who make under one 151 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:24,600 hundred thousand dollars a year. I will say I have 152 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:26,920 to say that you guys probably won't agree with me 153 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:30,319 about this, but I do feel that not everyone in 154 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,079 the Republican party understands what that means, like it's an 155 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:37,959 enormous privilege to be the party of labor. But seems 156 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,879 like there's this muscle memory to where sometimes Republicans have 157 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:44,360 forgotten that. So for example, in the Big Beautiful Bill, 158 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:48,680 I was really upset, but they were like, I want 159 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:51,759 tax cuts for working class people, middle class people, but 160 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,680 why are they giving tax cuts to rich people. They're 161 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,120 giving money to Democrats, Like why would you do that? 162 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:02,839 It makes sense They're just spend it funding your opposition. Like, yeah, 163 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,199 every person in that tack, not every but the vast 164 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,199 majority of the people in that tax bracket hate you 165 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,639 and this opposition. 166 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: This is a safe space where you can feel free 167 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:19,800 to criticize Trump. We do it all the time, and 168 00:08:19,879 --> 00:08:21,920 I know you know it much to the chagrin of 169 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,040 our audience sometimes. But for example, I think like right now, 170 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,680 Democrats are focusing as they should, and I think it's 171 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,519 smart strategy for them to focus on the economy because people, 172 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,440 regardless of what the data suggests, the economy is still 173 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,799 a struggle for people. And I cringe a little whenever 174 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,840 Trump is like, oh, the you know, the bad economy 175 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:44,919 is a Democrat hoax. I mean, it's it's not because 176 00:08:44,919 --> 00:08:48,360 if people are feeling high grocery prices, especially if they 177 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:51,080 are the working class, you know, he doesn't want to 178 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,960 alienate those people. So if you were in his ear 179 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,440 right now, how would you be advising him about messaging 180 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,480 and midterms and twenty twenty eight. 181 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: Even so, it's funny because I actually am kind of 182 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,360 on his side a little bit on this, Like, I mean, 183 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,279 obviously he shouldn't be like affordability, it's a whole should 184 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,919 not be doing that. But it is the case that 185 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,559 Americans feel really bad about the economy despite the fact 186 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,399 that the economy is doing really well. They feel worse 187 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,720 about the economy now than they did in two thousand 188 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:24,960 and eight. Okay, like we're obviously not in a recession, 189 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,840 so something's happen here now. Obviously it's a losing message 190 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,200 to tell people you're wrong about how you feel about 191 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,120 how much money is in your pay account. 192 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: Right, because the Democrats is said couple exactly what Biden did. 193 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,039 Speaker 3: It's why he longs that said wages have outpaced inflation 194 00:09:40,159 --> 00:09:44,000 by one percent, so people are not it's not as 195 00:09:44,039 --> 00:09:48,440 bad as people feel like it is. Also, in addition, 196 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:55,000 to this. Trump is making massive, historic, systemic changes to 197 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,679 an economy that, for fifty years, thanks to a handshake 198 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,320 agreement between both parts, was an upward funnel of wealth 199 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:05,320 from the working class into the pockets of the elites. 200 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:08,240 He's taken that funnel and just turned it around. And 201 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:11,000 he did that with tariffs and with mass deportations, with 202 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,600 restoring manufacturing, the trillions of dollars from the Middle East. 203 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,519 He's doing system wide changes to our dependency on China, 204 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:23,639 to who an employer should expect to be able to 205 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,559 hire and how much he should be able to That 206 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,679 stuff takes a long time. And the question is will 207 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:36,120 his political runway run out before a person living in 208 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,960 Pennsylvania knows a person who got a job in a 209 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,759 factory that was built with one of these Saudi investments. 210 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,679 That's really the question. I do think it is a 211 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,639 little unfair because he is making massive changes. A truck 212 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,919 driver told me in April, so a couple weeks after 213 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,600 Liberation Day. He said to me, so, wait, let me 214 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,720 understand what you're saying. You're saying to me that he's 215 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,240 going to put the tariffs on I might end up 216 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,960 having to pay a little bit more for something, but 217 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,320 down the road, my kid will have a better shot 218 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,039 at the American dreams. Yes, and you think I'm gonna 219 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,919 turn that deal down, Like my whole life is sacrificing 220 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,399 for my kiddies. Like what do you think working class 221 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,399 life is exact? I think a lot of people feel 222 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,120 that way. And I think if the President could could 223 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,039 go out and say, I understand that prices on groceries 224 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,679 are not where we want them to be. Here's what 225 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,519 I am doing for you. Here's when you can expect 226 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:38,279 to see these changes. I think that would go a 227 00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:41,440 long way. Another piece of it is this is very 228 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,919 hard to say. I would not advise he say this, 229 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:47,480 but like, this is the truth. We don't want prices 230 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:51,080 to go down significantly because if they do, it will 231 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,519 signal that we are in a recession, and it will 232 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,399 mean that wages are dropping. At some point, when people's 233 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,440 wages go up, they can afford more. Prices also go up. 234 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,639 That is a good thing. So if suddenly the price 235 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,200 of beef drops by fifty percent, that will mean people 236 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:10,840 are not making as much money and that will be bad. 237 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,279 And add to that the fact that we're doing mass deportations. 238 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:17,840 They're cleaning out a lot of these workplaces that are 239 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,679 full of illegals who have been undercutting the wages of 240 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,360 Americans for forty years. We actually want those Americans that 241 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:28,559 they're replaced with to make more money. So I think 242 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,840 there is this thing where people don't understand that like 243 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,639 the new normal, you know. And again, this is not 244 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,120 a winning political message, so it's a very tricky thing 245 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:42,000 to navigate. But part of what President Trump's agenda is 246 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:45,120 doing is saying to the American people, I want you 247 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,679 to make more money. I think the cost of things 248 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:51,320 is a little bit of a red herring. The money 249 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:55,080 is going to things like healthcare premiums that are skyrocketing, 250 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:02,480 housing insurance that is skyrocketing, insurance for skyrocketing. It's not 251 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,279 really about food so much as the cost of the 252 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,720 American dream. And I would love to see the president 253 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,879 go to these insurance company cartels and say you want 254 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:16,279 government funding, you're not gonna raise premiums for five years. 255 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,679 I mean, I don't understand why we can't just do 256 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,440 we do that every other issue, every other marketplace. Drugs, 257 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,559 what he just did with drugs. The thing about Trump 258 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,039 is he's a little bit of a mob boss, but yeah, 259 00:13:27,919 --> 00:13:31,399 you know what it is. Yes, every time I'm gonna 260 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,559 raise prices, he just picks up the phone and says, 261 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,080 don't you dare and I won't. Like it's so amazing 262 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,799 to watch. So I think that the real affordability crisis 263 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:41,720 is not in like day to day goods. It's in 264 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,120 much bigger systemic things. And I do think that, you know, 265 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,120 Secretary Beston is pretty pretty on target over these things. 266 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,480 But again, his political runway might run out before we 267 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:53,039 have a chance to see all this happen. 268 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing is it does take time, and 269 00:13:55,039 --> 00:13:56,519 we got to let him cook a little bit. 270 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:58,279 Speaker 2: That's what we always say that, like, we just let 271 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:58,759 him cook. 272 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 4: You know, we have got to talk about the rise 273 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:07,000 of anti Semitism in this country because it's so what 274 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:10,080 is that we've been doing this almost twenty years. We've 275 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,799 never seen anything like it. It's becoming mainstream, Batya, And 276 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,159 I don't understand why or how that's okay. I don't 277 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,120 know if it's the newest generation just being emboldened by 278 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,159 a lot of these pundits who think that it's okay 279 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:30,159 to spew this garbage in the ether. 280 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: I don't get it. 281 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: But what I just want to hear your take on 282 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,480 all of this nonsense. 283 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: Okay, So, first of all, it just means a lot 284 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,159 that you guys have been so on top of this 285 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,679 and so fearless, and how you've taken this on like 286 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:45,919 it's really amazing. A lot of people are scared to 287 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,799 utter certain people's names, and you guys have been utterly fearless. 288 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:52,840 And I think, to myself and to probably a lot 289 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,039 of your Jewish listeners, it's just like, from the bottom 290 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:56,840 of my heart, thank. 291 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,399 Speaker 1: You, thank you God, regnizing that we hate that it's 292 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,519 not like this is not a universal right and right. 293 00:15:04,559 --> 00:15:07,039 Speaker 2: We hate that you have to thank us for that. 294 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,039 But you know what I mean. 295 00:15:08,279 --> 00:15:10,919 Speaker 3: I do, and God bless and protect you for everything 296 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,559 that you've done for the Jewish people. Now that said, 297 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:15,720 I am a little bit of a skeptic of the 298 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,039 rising anti Semitism phenomenon. 299 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,799 Speaker 1: Good, I want to hear some optimism. Yes we do, 300 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,759 We absolutely do. 301 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: We had a little bit of a fight on Thanksgiving 302 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,200 over this because we're at friends' houses and they're you know, 303 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,600 Ukrainian immigrants, Jewish immigrants, and they're talking about how America 304 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,080 is getting anti Semitic I have a character flaw where 305 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,720 I can't stand hearing people unfairly criticize my homeland. And 306 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,879 my husband could see, like, you know, my and he 307 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,600 was like, Babe, please please, I forget. I couldn't. I 308 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:51,000 just can't sit there. I really feel that Americans, the 309 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,200 American people historically and persisting to this day, are unbelievably 310 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,720 protective of their Jewish neighbors. There's never been a country 311 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:04,000 that has been as protective of Jews as America, and 312 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,200 I think that that by and large is still the case. 313 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: Really, even after all the campus psycho crazy everything. 314 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: So I think that in America, anti Semitism has always 315 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,799 been by and large a phenomenon relegated to the elites. 316 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,879 So whenever you have elite intro fighting, you're going to 317 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:29,000 see anti Semitism. So this happened, for example, in the 318 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,480 Gilded Age, where you suddenly had these robber barons coming 319 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,559 up from the bottom making millions and millions of dollars 320 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:40,080 and then wanting to join the high society elites. And 321 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,279 of course the high society elites had no interest in this, 322 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,799 and so you saw anti Semitism come out there because 323 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,919 they would say to them, oh, you guys are just 324 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,600 a bunch of Jews. Okay, that's an example of elite 325 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,440 anti Semitism developing as a result of intra elite conflict. 326 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,720 And I think that that's really like the campus anti semitism, 327 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:06,200 even that it only took place at the most elite 328 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,880 of the elite universities. You go to state schools, you 329 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,799 go to places where pell grants represent over sixty percent 330 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,920 of the student's zero pro power. 331 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:20,039 Speaker 2: Sign right about that? Yeah, you are right, You are 332 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:20,680 totally right. 333 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: Very similar is happening now on the right where some 334 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,039 very wealthy content creators who make their money off of 335 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,680 engagement seem to have forgotten or the people looking at 336 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,200 that and saying, oh, no, Americans are anti Semitics seem 337 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,160 to have forgotten that the Internet is available globally. A 338 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,839 new study just came out proving something I have been 339 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:45,519 saying for a very long time, which is that Nick 340 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:49,920 Fouentis's following is not by and large American. Yes, the 341 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,799 people amplifying him are across the globe. Candice Owens, I 342 00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:59,240 would wanger very similar that there is a huge appetite 343 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,160 for her content and in a lot of Muslim countries, 344 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:06,079 not gonna specify why, but you can you know that, yeah. 345 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: We can figure out why. Yeah, And I will look at. 346 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 3: These, you know, the look at a video from Canada. 347 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,519 Stones has five million views, and they'll say, wow, five 348 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:17,200 million young Americans agree with this. It's like no, probably 349 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:21,200 four million Lebanese people agree with it, you know, and 350 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,720 young board people are watching it. Maybe here doesn't mean 351 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:26,680 they agree with it. We all have our you know, 352 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:29,359 guilty things that we listen to and don't agree with. 353 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,119 So I think it's really overstated. I think the polling 354 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,240 shows again and again the American people very philo Semitic, 355 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,480 very protective, certainly of American Jews. Now Israel has gotten unpopular. 356 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,200 It fought an unpopular war. I think it was a 357 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,000 just war. You think it was a just war. It 358 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:50,880 was a very punishing war. And I think that the 359 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,279 sentiment people feel right now is not the sentiment they'll 360 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:57,119 feel in five years. And at the last Student Action Summit, 361 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:02,359 Charlie Kirk had this amazing focus group with the young leaders. 362 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,279 It's really interesting. It's on YouTube. I recommend everybody watching it. 363 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:08,039 First of all, he pulled the five thousand students there, 364 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,480 young conservative college students seventy five percent of them said 365 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,839 they were pro Israel. The overwhelming majority, despite how they 366 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:20,519 feel about Israel, would rather the Christian holy sites obviously 367 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,119 be under the care of the Jews, then the rights. 368 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, what. 369 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: They are is they're done with foreign aid, you know, 370 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,319 and honestly me too, as an American, I'm done with it. 371 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,400 And I think it hurts Israel to be taking this 372 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,680 much money from us, to be honest, it gives us 373 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,279 power over them and over their decisions. We saw how 374 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:42,519 that was utilized against them in the early stages of 375 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,920 the war. It's enough. Israel's a very rich country. They 376 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,039 should be using that money we should have. We should 377 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:51,200 turn that aid into some trade relationship, isn't it. 378 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,279 Speaker 1: Though I thought it was all about, like they end 379 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,160 up we give them this money, they end up buying 380 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,559 like a ton of our weapons, and it all kind 381 00:19:57,599 --> 00:19:59,960 of works out in both of our benefits. 382 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: It's a funnel from ours the taxpayer, into like Lockheed 383 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,200 Martin's pocket, right, And I think, so it's not really trade. 384 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,160 It's not that these relies are buying weapons from us. 385 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,519 It's that we're buying weapons from US for Israel. So 386 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:13,480 it is spent in our economy. I you know, I 387 00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:17,119 you know, probably a lot of American jobs rely right, 388 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,039 but you know it's it's it's a question of sovereignty 389 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:23,000 for me. Both American and israel I do believe we 390 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:25,440 get a lot out of that relationship. We will lose 391 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:28,920 that access to intelligence sharing to Israel fighting a lot 392 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,200 of our enemies for US if they don't, you know, 393 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,640 get that aid from us. But if the American people 394 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,279 decide that that's where we're at, young people say, look, 395 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:38,680 I can't afford a home, I don't want to that intelligence. 396 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,519 Show me that that's really worth it. Let's take ten 397 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:43,960 years without it. That's totally fair. I mean, that's in 398 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:46,559 a democratic society, that's kind of what would happen. So 399 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:49,759 all of which is just to say that certainly on 400 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:52,160 the right I think. And oh and one more piece 401 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,680 of this is so much of the attention right now 402 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,400 is given to conservatives on college campes. But you have 403 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,240 to understand the vast majority of people with a college 404 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:08,799 degree again are Democrats. So the percentage of young conservatives 405 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:13,839 who are represented by young conservatives on campuses, it's really small. 406 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,720 Like if you think the average like young truck driver 407 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:20,799 or Welder is sitting there having like negative thoughts about Jews. 408 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:24,240 I just find that really like not consistent with my 409 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,400 experience traveling this entire country talking to people, and you 410 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,480 know what it's it's like, I feel like I'm sort 411 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:35,400 of the alone in saying this because obviously there's a 412 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,640 lot of adjuta around it. I think there are people 413 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,480 who are you know, Tucker Carlston, for example, his content 414 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:48,480 has become almost exclusively focused on totally Israel and Jews. 415 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:52,559 Canieans of course historically putting up content. You have Nick 416 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:56,680 Fuent as a white nationalists, extremely anti black as well, 417 00:21:56,839 --> 00:21:57,720 racist right. 418 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 2: Right, anti woman. Yeah, but you have like the onus. 419 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 3: Is on the people interpreting this stuff and interpreting the 420 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:10,039 views not to get carried away. And the lesson to 421 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,519 keep in mind, I think is, you know, the less 422 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,119 online campaign always wins. And the Democrats made a huge 423 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,200 mistake in twenty sixteen to where they basically thought that 424 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,000 they're online influencers and activists and radicals who are policing 425 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:30,119 everyone and calling everybody racist and yadayada represented where the 426 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,960 country was. They did the same thing in twenty twenty 427 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,480 four and they lost to Trump, who was out there 428 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:39,880 talking to people who has just the most amazing, innate 429 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,799 connection with his base with the American working class, and 430 00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:46,440 now you see Republicans making the same mistake. I think 431 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,519 this is what happened with Marjorie Taylor Green. She got 432 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:52,440 too online. She puts out one statement that's critical of Israel. 433 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:56,079 Suddenly it gets five million views instead of five hundred thousand, 434 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:58,160 and she's like, Oh, this is where the country is at. No, 435 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,799 that's not where the country is. You have to talk 436 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,880 to regular people and just get off of Twitter because 437 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,799 as we see now, like this is all just foreign bots. 438 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:07,519 Speaker 2: Okay. 439 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:10,319 Speaker 1: So I gotta ask, then, like, what is the right 440 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,799 strategy in your view in responding to some of the 441 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,279 crazy that comes from Candace, from Tucker, from Marjorie? Is 442 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:22,000 it to kind of ignore it to some degree or 443 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:23,960 claim these are my friends so I'm not going to 444 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,319 criticize them kind of like Megan, who we adore is doing. 445 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:30,759 Or is it right to get loud like Tim Poole 446 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,440 is and just explode on these people because we tend 447 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,319 to fall into the Timpool camp where we're like, this 448 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,720 is insane and we have to say something about it. 449 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 3: I love you guys's approach because you laugh at it. 450 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,839 I think that's so powerful you just kind of make 451 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,759 fun of it. Timpool's amazing, Dana lash has been amazing. 452 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,680 I think, you know, between the ignoring it and the 453 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,519 laughing at it. You know. The thing I don't like 454 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,960 to see is like, you know, the ADL approach where 455 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,680 it's like we must you know, like to take it 456 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,640 too seriously. I think is like a huge mistake. The 457 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:07,480 interesting thing about Tucker Crosson is he's very close with 458 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,839 the vice president and with the president's son. To me, 459 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,559 it really seems like the president has kind of marginalized him. 460 00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,960 I was started noticing that already towards the end of 461 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,319 the campaign. But I think it's totally fair for voters 462 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,920 to say, look, I'm not going to vote for someone 463 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:25,160 until I know whether this is the foreign policy that's 464 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,960 going to be dictating you know, the future nominee or 465 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,559 not that I think those are fair questions for journalists 466 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,279 to be asking. I just to me, the sort of 467 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,640 hysteria around it is like, I just feel like it's 468 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,000 a little bit I guess. I mean, I feel bad 469 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,160 saying this, but like that when people get like a 470 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,599 little too this is all they talk about. I feel 471 00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:48,400 a little bit like like this is not where the 472 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,880 country is at, Like this is not It's like if 473 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,200 you're asked about it, obviously like you know, have an 474 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,559 opinion whatever, But to misread this as where the nation 475 00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:03,240 is is like, I don't know. I think that's a 476 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,240 big mistake. Now that said, like anyone who cannot say 477 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,880 there's no room for Nick Fuentes in the GOP. You 478 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,759 can't say that you're gonna lose and you deserve to lose, 479 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:15,720 Like that's not you know what I mean, Like that's 480 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:19,079 a completely I was very upset buring the twenty twenty 481 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,960 four campaign. I forget what it was, but there was 482 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,599 actually a very interesting moment where it was announced that 483 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,799 Don Junior was going to be at a crypto event 484 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,599 and then when the poster came out, Candice Owens was 485 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:36,000 on it. And I had been telling Jews, you need 486 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:38,559 to vote for Trump, like he he is the candidate. 487 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,400 He is the pro worker candidate you think you're voting 488 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,000 for when you're voting for Kamal Harris, right, And so 489 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,359 when I saw that poster or my heart sort of sank. 490 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,559 But within six hours she was dropped from the event, 491 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:53,240 like she had added herself after the fact, and it's 492 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,079 my understanding. I was told from sources that she had 493 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:58,519 been desperate to join the twenty twenty four campaign and 494 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:02,279 they had the good sense to be like, no, wow, 495 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,039 I know. It was very like I remember when the 496 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:07,559 person was explaining this to me, Like the person that 497 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,359 I was in touch with called me immediately to say 498 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,799 he said yes to this before she was part of it, 499 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,079 and she will not be there, don't worry. And I 500 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,920 sort of choked up, like I was like, oh, he 501 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:18,720 is the person that I thought he was. You know, 502 00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:21,400 like there's those moments where like you get this like 503 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,519 oh my gosh, should I. 504 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,039 Speaker 4: They get it? Yeah, he gets it. So do you 505 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,480 think so based on your optimism? And I love it. 506 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:31,079 Speaker 2: I love the optimism here. 507 00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 4: That's we're all about that, right, And based on that, 508 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,240 do you have any trepidation about the midterms or about 509 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,240 the next election? Do you think that we are because 510 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,640 some people are like we're fractured, and I feel like, 511 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,960 you know, there are times where we're like, oh my god, 512 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,759 you know, are we becoming fractured as a party? And 513 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,079 is this happening because of some of these people who 514 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,680 are spewing this absolute vile garbage, or or do you 515 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,160 think that there is nothing to worry about at all? 516 00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:57,359 Do you think that we're gonna be okay? 517 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 3: People forget that there were like pretty like harsh on 518 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,119 Israel Republicans in the very recent past. It used to 519 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,640 be that the Democratic Party was more pro Israel than 520 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,400 the Republican Party. I think it's totally fair to have 521 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,519 a conversation about foreign policy like that. We have to 522 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:19,519 be able to say, I want to hear how young 523 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:23,400 people hear this think about it, you know like that. 524 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,599 I think that's very important. I don't think that that 525 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:28,720 should be seen as a referendum on how they feel 526 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:33,839 about Jews specifically. Now, obviously there's like language that gets 527 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,519 a little bit close to the line. On the other hand, 528 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,279 you know, we do give Israel money. It's nowhere close 529 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,079 to the biggest lobby. It's in seem to me that 530 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,640 people are more about that than about, for example, the 531 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,680 healthcare lobby, which I think are a bunch of basically 532 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:54,680 like cartels. Let's focus on that. But you know, some 533 00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:59,200 conversations are really important, Like for example, Trump's primary challengers 534 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:03,079 is in twenty twenty four, let's talk about Nicki Haley. Okay, 535 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,160 by the way, outspent Trump two to one, Kama Harris 536 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,400 outspent Trump three to one. Like, wow, the whole Citizens 537 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,440 United thing. I like, as a you know, I used 538 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,240 to be like a really good lefty. I thought this 539 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,160 was the end of democracy. But it turns out if 540 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,079 you have a good candidate, doesn't matter how much money 541 00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:22,240 you spent. But okay, Nikki Haley right, obviously wanted to 542 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,880 get back to the pre maga on everything. Trump's not 543 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,119 a conservative. He's you know, believes abortion should be legal 544 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,960 for somewhere between six to twelve weeks. That was extremely 545 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,880 important to a lot of women who had never voted 546 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,359 for a Republican before feeling like they could vote for 547 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,200 a Republican. He doesn't believe in free trade, you know, 548 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,119 like he thinks that corporate I mean even in Chris 549 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:48,920 Clmo was telling me this the other day, even back 550 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,720 in two thousand and eight, he was saying, why are 551 00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,279 we bailing out the banks? Give the people the money 552 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,599 to buy their homes, right right, Like, this is who 553 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,319 he is. And then on foreign policy, he's very anti war. 554 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,519 He's he's not anybody's Patsy he's very anti terrorist, but 555 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,000 he's a Shitti war Now, Nicko was clearly trying to 556 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,160 get back to that pre Maga version of the GOP. 557 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,319 Speaker 2: She's a hawk. 558 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: She's a hawk, she believes in free trade, she believes 559 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,559 in foreign interventions. Social conservative. Like that conversation, that debate, 560 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,839 we're gonna have that like in twenty twenty eight. I 561 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,079 guess it will be. That's gonna be an and we have. 562 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,039 That's a great debate to have. Like just like it's 563 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,640 great to have a debate between Gavin Newsom, who's gonna 564 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,240 come out on the open borders thing, and you know 565 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,720 whoever the MAGA person is, who's like, sorry, we're gonna 566 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,519 ramp up the deportations. Like these are healthy debates for 567 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,519 the country to have. It's going to be a healthy 568 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,279 debate in the GOP. It's also going to be very bruising, 569 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,319 and I just what I would hate to see is 570 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,799 like faux outrage over things that are not anti Semitic 571 00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:59,440 clouding the legitimate debates over Israel, instead of just everyone 572 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,759 on the ticket saying Fuentes know, Candice know, but you 573 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,519 know what, let's have a healthy debate about the role 574 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,359 of our Middle East policy, for example. So I want 575 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,240 us to have like, but that's easy for me to 576 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,400 say to women like you who have been doing all 577 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,160 of the hard work, like battling back the people who 578 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,000 refuse to denounce. So I think it's a tricky thing. 579 00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:28,799 And like, again, like part of me just wants to 580 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,599 be like, I'm so grateful, like when you see Ted 581 00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,359 Cruz being like this is gonna be my one issue. 582 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,279 At one level, I'm like, God, that's so sweet. But 583 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,920 on the other level, I'm sort of like, do we 584 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,759 really want that? Is that like the healthiest approach to me? 585 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,559 Sure that we're having the best possible conversation about that. 586 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: And I love that about you. 587 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,759 Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, I mean that one of the 588 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,079 one of the reasons that we constantly play your clips 589 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,000 is because you will say things in a way and 590 00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:00,880 you have an amazing talent for it of just putting 591 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,759 things in a way that we're like, yeah, that she 592 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,920 got into my brain and took words that I didn't 593 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,599 even know I had in my brain and like made 594 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,119 them into sentences that make sense to people. And so 595 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,240 I love that you're everywhere now that you have your 596 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,200 own show, and like I just want to know, because 597 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,960 I know Amy Joe has a final question for you, 598 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,400 which is my favorite, and she'll get to that in 599 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:20,839 a second. 600 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: But how high does your blood pressure. 601 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: Get when you were on Abby Phillips's show, because you 602 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,119 are dealing with some crazy on that show. 603 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,319 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because on the panel it never 604 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,640 feels as bad. The problem is is that there are 605 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,519 like six or seven journalists whose job it is to 606 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:47,440 watch it and think, oh, if I clip it right here, yes, 607 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,279 like it'll look like she made a real fool of herself. 608 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,960 And then we can put the headline maga person makes 609 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,680 full of hers you know, yeah, that is sort of 610 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,279 like I'll see those headlines and I'll be like, God, 611 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,839 you guys are so dishonest, Like, just be honest about it. 612 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,640 I have to say, I give Abby such props, and 613 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,400 I give CNN such props because I think I'm a strong, 614 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:13,960 good defender of the president's agenda in a way that 615 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,599 I try to make it most palatable to leftists. They 616 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:19,359 don't have to put me on, they don't have to 617 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,759 put Scott Jennings on. They could put on and sometimes 618 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:24,519 you know, when we're not on, I'll be watching the show, 619 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,559 and I'll be like, God, like you know, the bag 620 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:28,240 of person is just like screwing. 621 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: It up, you know, like they could they. 622 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,759 Speaker 3: Focus on those people, and I feel really honored that 623 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:36,519 they put me on that panel so often and give 624 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:40,720 me the opportunity. It's it's truly amazing, and I you know, 625 00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,839 I get that it's very hard to watch sometimes because 626 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,039 people feel like get really frustrated, and I sometimes when 627 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,480 I'm watching it, get very frustrated. Sometimes you know, you'll 628 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,039 somebody will fact check you and they'll just be wrong, 629 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:58,920 and it's that can be very frustrating. But like if 630 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,680 you if you feel that you've done the best you can, 631 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,680 Like I always pray before I go on, and I say, like, God, 632 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,920 let me just represent you well and my people well, 633 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,720 and let me be a uniter and not a divider. 634 00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:15,359 And it's like when I come here, right like I 635 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,640 can say things in the way that, like I know 636 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,680 the people who agree with me will get the most 637 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,359 pleasure out of And I go there, I'm trying to 638 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,680 say it in a way that I'm saying the same stuff. 639 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,279 I'll never say something I don't believe, but in a 640 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,279 way that people who don't agree with me, will have 641 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:33,200 the biggest chance of saying, well, at least that's a 642 00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,880 human making that point, you know. And I don't always 643 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,359 manage to do that. On immigration, for example, like I'm 644 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:43,599 extremely extremely hawkish, and after being called a Nazi and 645 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,839 a white supremacist for five years for things in New 646 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,359 York time, will now admit is true. I'm done like 647 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,279 doing the whole throat clearing, right, So I like when 648 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,680 that issue comes up, then my blood will start to 649 00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,400 and you'll see me, Like if you go to my 650 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,279 Instagram clips where I'm talk about immigrainshit, I just am like, 651 00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:06,400 oh my gosh. You know. But it's I think it's 652 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,360 like a it's always it's always a balance because you 653 00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:13,519 are being given this immense opportunity to talk to the 654 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,079 scene and audience, you know, and it's like, what if 655 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,119 something I say makes them think I'm sure Scott made 656 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,639 some of those people vote for Trump. Oh sure, that's 657 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,440 just an amazing privilege. So I try to keep it, 658 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,119 take it in stride and think about it that way. 659 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: I love it. 660 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: It's really really good, I know, right, I love it 661 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,800 because we would be we would out there throwing fists. 662 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,199 I know. 663 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,039 Speaker 2: Again, with the optimism. We love it. Yeah, that so much. 664 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:37,199 Speaker 3: So. 665 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 2: The final question is, and it's. 666 00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 4: Probably silly to some people, but I always ask people like, 667 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,079 tell us something about you that people would not know 668 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,000 if they went out to Google and looked and try 669 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,039 to find everything about you. 670 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 2: Tell us something. 671 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,599 Speaker 4: Tell our audience something about you, like a hobby or 672 00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:02,920 something about you that they wouldn't know that's surprising about Batya. 673 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,559 Speaker 2: Like what do you do in. 674 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 4: Your spare time? What do you do that is that 675 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,039 you love to do that something like we wouldn't know about. 676 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 3: My favorite place to be when I'm not at work 677 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,760 is at the soup kitchen. I really yes, of course. 678 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: It is, Like why is not even a surprise? Like 679 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,440 but it's not worthy of this interview for a good reason. 680 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of like workplace drama there, but 681 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,880 workplace drama that's not your drama. But you know all 682 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,760 the characters. It's very delicious. I mean, I just love 683 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,480 being there for a lot of reasons. But it's not 684 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:34,000 they're not all very noble. 685 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 2: How long have you been doing that? How long have 686 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:36,960 you done that? 687 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,079 Speaker 3: But yeah, the Sukisien goo tuna I've been going to 688 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:41,000 for like three or four years, like I can't remember 689 00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,480 when exactly, during the pandemic, I started going to that one, 690 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,280 and I just love I love seeing the regulars. I 691 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,639 love like the people who work there, whose job it is, 692 00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:51,000 who are like just much less happy than me to 693 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:54,519 be Oh my god, I'm very happy to be there. 694 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:57,639 I will say another thing that's just like not known 695 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,159 about me as much, I guess because my husband's very 696 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,440 verse to social media. He doesn't like me mentioning him 697 00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:04,800 or talking about him. He's not on social media except 698 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,039 something to go on to read the nasty comments about 699 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,119 me and chuckle to himself. But I'm married to Like, 700 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:12,639 I'm madly love with my husband. We've been together for 701 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,880 fifteen sixteen years, and he's my best friend and he's 702 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,119 my my Like in the Bible, it says when God 703 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:24,159 created Eve, he created an ezer connecto and Nebrew that 704 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,719 means a help meet. But the word connecto, you would 705 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,079 think it would mean a help meet for him, but 706 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,639 it's a help meet against him. The word connecto means 707 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:35,920 against And all of the interpreters try to explain, like 708 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,360 what that would mean, why would you need to help 709 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,960 meet against you? But my husband really is that because 710 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,320 he doesn't agree with me about a lot, and so 711 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,159 we debate politics a lot. He's sort of my first 712 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,679 line of defense because by the time I get to 713 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,719 Abby's panel, I've heard like the smartest version of every 714 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,559 possible counter attack, so much so that sometimes I'll be 715 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,679 in a debate and I'll say something and the person 716 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,760 opposite me, well sort of, I'll be like, I'll think, oh, shoot, 717 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,519 I know exactly what they're going to say, because I'll 718 00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:05,360 think of what my husband would say. Oh my god, 719 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,000 I don't have answer for that. But then they'll say 720 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:11,760 something much stupider, and I'm not really gonna get away 721 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:11,960 with this. 722 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:18,519 Speaker 2: I love it. I just love fantastic. That's fantastic, that. 723 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,119 Speaker 3: Person who I admire a lot, and he admires me, 724 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,920 which is a really nice thing. When your husband admires you, it's. 725 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 2: The best thing. I love that. I love things. Thank 726 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,000 you for sharing that with us. 727 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:30,639 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and thank you for being here. 728 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,039 We want to make sure that your show on News 729 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,440 Nation on Saturdays is a huge success. So make sure 730 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,000 that people know how to watch, how to find you, like, 731 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,559 how do you want to be found online? 732 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 2: What's the best way. 733 00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 3: I'm on Twitter, I'm on Instagram. You can watch the 734 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,480 show on News Nation four pm Saturday. They also post 735 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,079 it on Monday morning, the whole show to YouTube, so 736 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,039 you can watch that new YouTube and good I post 737 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,199 a lot of clips and yeah, we're having a good time. 738 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,519 Thank you. 739 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,639 Speaker 4: We're so so excited for your success with you more success. 740 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,119 You're just a fantastic person and we're just delighted to 741 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:04,800 meet you today. 742 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,639 Speaker 2: So thank you so much by for having me. 743 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 3: Can I give you guys a blessing before we go? 744 00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, it would mean the world totally. 745 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Era don panaveyesa don i pana shalom. Thank you. 746 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna send that to my dad and have 747 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,559 him translate. 748 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 2: Her dad is Jewish. I love it. Oh my god, 749 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,039 I love it. I got all weepy. 750 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,079 Speaker 4: That is just the sweetest thing. We've had such a 751 00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,159 terrible to twenty twenty five. But yeah, the word like 752 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,760 so many things have happened, like to surgeries. She's had surgeries. 753 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,679 I just broke my like so much stuff. So we 754 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,760 are looking and we are we too are very positive people. 755 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,920 But we're very much looking forward to a really awesome 756 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,960 twenty twenty six, so that was just the nice like 757 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,440 icing on top of you know what. We're a good 758 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,519 We'll trying to have a cake in twenty twenty five. 759 00:38:56,679 --> 00:39:00,000 But thank you so much for that, very lovely thank you. 760 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,079 Speaker 3: You ladies are amazing and it was such a pleasure 761 00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:03,760 of being here with you. 762 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 2: We appreciate you. Thank you, Badya