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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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Today Mark's day number one of the second week of

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the Gallaine Maxwell trial, and we had more testimony all day,

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now several witnesses, but the majority of the testimony came

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from one person and that person was Kate. Now, the

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government had set this up as four victims of Glaine

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Maxwell giving testimony about what occurred and what they alleged

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happened to them. Fast forward to today and we find

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out that Kate, who is giving testimony today, is not

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a victim of Epstein as far as the scope of

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the timeframe we're talking about here, and is in fact

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a witness. So it's a bit confusing. No, the government

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asserted that had four victims, but when all is said

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and done, they're really only going to have the three

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victims up here giving testimony and now Kate who is

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being recognized as a witness but not as a victim

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of Glaine Maxwell. So that was a bit of a surprise.

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And we saw some of those briefings get filed last night,

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and we saw some of the challenges to Kate's testimony

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here and Judge Nathan went on to rule that she

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will not be called a victim as far as the

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scope of these specific crimes go by the court and

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will be looked at as a witness. So her testimony

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today was relatively long. It took up a bulk of

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the day. And then after her testimony, they spoke with

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a person from JP Morgan Chase who has information and

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a bit of the know as far as the financials

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go between Maxwell and Epstein, meaning transfers of funds, and

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we also heard from an FBI special agent, but both

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of their testimonies were relatively brief. So that's pretty much

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what occurred today as far as an overview of the proceedings.

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And obviously I went through and put together some of

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the different back and forth moments that occurred in court today,

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some of the different questions that were asked and the

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answers that were given. So we're going to jump into

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that and we're going to see how it all wrapped

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up inside of that courtroom today. So let's take a

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look at some of these different proceedings and what went down.

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Are right, So before the jury even got into the room,

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the prosecution and the defense were ironing out an agreement

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about a stipulation that they came to regarding the previous witness.

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So the gentleman who was on the stand yesterday when

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the proceedings ended, they decided that instead of calling him back,

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they would just come to a voluntary agreement between the

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opposing parties concerning the disposition of some matter that's before

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the court. That's what a stipulation is. That's the definition

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of it. So what they did is instead of bringing

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this witness back, they came to the agreement, and then

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they read that stipulation, the agreement that both sides came

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to to the court as opposed to bringing the witness

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back for what I'm guessing is a short period of time,

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maybe a couple of questions. Again, this is the first

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case that I've ever followed this closely, especially when it

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comes to court proceedings. So this is something that obviously

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they use when there's a situation that can be ironed

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out before you know, having to bring a witness back

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in for just a couple of minutes, I guess in

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the interest of keeping things moving. Also, before the jury

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even came in, Judge Nathan decided to not allow the

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raunchy pictures on the walls in the massage room and

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some of the other photos of the sex toys were

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excluded as well. Epstein's house was searched in two thousand

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and five and the scope of the crimes ended in

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two thousand and four, so that would make that stuff inadmissible.

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Now the schoolgirl uniforms, on the other hand, that is

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admissible as long as it's relevant to the testimony, and

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that was the ruling that Judge Nathan made before the

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jury even got into the court. Now, obviously us pleabs

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in the public We'll only get redacted versions and what

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the court decides that when we're able to see. But

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it's getting a bit concerning in my opinion, with the

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lack of transparency here, and it's pretty uncomfortable, honestly. You

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would think that a case like this, with as much

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interest as there is in this case, not only in

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America but around the world, that there would be a

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big push for a lot of transparency. But again we're

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having to rely on, you know, a few different reports

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coming out of the courtroom. So I can't wait to

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get to New York myself in the next few weeks

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right after the holidays and ride out the duration from there,

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because you know, it's It's one thing to get a idea,

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you know, a basic sketch of what's going on. It's

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a whole other thing to really be there and to

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witness it and stuff like that and to get it yourself,

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to process it that way. So I can't wait to

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get in there the first week of January to get started.

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After the jury came in, the judge denounced the stipulation

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agreement and called on the defense lawyer, Christian Everdell to

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read it to the court. The stipulation went on to

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say that the evidence a cardboard box, was in fact

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found in the closet of a guest room upstairs, and

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that the box was unopened. So you see why they

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did this little motion here, this stipulation as opposed to

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bringing this witness back, especially considering the long testimony that

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was given by the first witness today, who was referred

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to as Kate by the court, and you know it's

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going to be a long process. They they they're speculating

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six weeks, so any point where they can move things along,

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I'm guessing that they'd want to do that. So they

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call Kate to the stand, and obviously, like I talked

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about a couple of minutes ago. The defense argued that

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she was not under age at the time of her

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contact with Epstein and Maxwell, and she won't be recognized

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as a victim of the crimes charged in the indictment

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by the court. Instead, the court is referring to her

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as a witness. So the questions begin, and the first

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question asked by prosecution is about a piece of evidence

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and if she recognizes it. She responds that yes, she

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does recognize it, and when she was asked what it was,

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she responded that it was her driver's license. This line

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of questioning then moves towards what Kate does for a living,

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and she said that she worked with survivors of trauma

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currently and when pressed about what she did previously, she

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answered that she was a musician and singer, So setting

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it up for you know who she is her, you know,

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an outline of who the court is talking to her basically.

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Then it goes into Kate's account of how she met

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Maxwell in Paris and how she was introduced to Epstein's

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pal by one of her ex boyfriends. She says that

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she was approximately seventeen years old when this meeting happened,

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and she went on to add some context, she described

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how when she met Maxwell, they discussed what her plans were,

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not only for the night, but also questions revolving around

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where she lived and you know, some other small talk.

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After this small talk, she was invited to Maxwell's house,

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and you know, she accepted the invite and went to

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Maxwell's house a few weeks later for some tea. And

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again it shows you here how Maxwell rolled. One of

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her favorite moves was to get into the confidence of

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these girls by acting like, you know, the happy, go

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lucky older sister or you know, the affluent woman who

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into their life to offer them, you know, whatever kind

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of package or whatever kind of offer that these girls

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might not have ever had before. And most of these

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girls are thinking to themselves, hey, look at this, this

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is the upper crust. They're not thinking to themselves that

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these are the kind of people that are going to

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engage in abuse. So of course she accepts the invite

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to go to someone like Maxwell's house to have a

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tea a situation with her. Why not sit down, have

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a little tea party. You know, who knows what comes

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of it. Perhaps you can climb the social ladder, perhaps

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a job opening. You know, these are the kind of

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things that meetings that usually lead to that kind of thing.

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So Kate went on to say about how when she

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went to Maxwell's house, how she saw pictures of a

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man with salt and pepper hair, who she says that

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now she recognizes as Jeffrey Epstein. She says that Maxwell

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made her feel special and that she had a good

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time during the trip to Maxwell's for tea, and she

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thought that she had found a connection with Maxwell and

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that it could be meaningful for her. You know, somebody

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that an older sister type, a mentor, somebody who had

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been in the upper crust. And unfortunately, that was the

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exact web that they liked to weave, wasn't it. According

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to all the reports we know, this was exactly how

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Maxwell operated lay the trap act like you're this loving, warm,

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great person who's going to open doors for people and

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then get them inside of the web and Epstein strikes.

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So it's pretty typical for the way Epstein and Maxwell

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went about their business. She had a feeling when she

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left that meeting that she had possibly had found a

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friend and that it was more than just a meeting, right.

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You know, Maxwell had told her that Epstein was a philanthropist,

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and she was just the kind of person that he

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liked to help. Kate says that she was seventeen and

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lonely and felt like an outcast and she hadn't found

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a group of friends yet, so had no friends, nobody

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to associate with really, and she was, you know, kind

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of floating through meets. Maxwell thinks that this is going

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to be the when the worm turns right. Get in

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with this group of socialites, and who knows what happens there.

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We all know that when you're around people in the

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so called elite, a lot of doors are opened up

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for you. Now, if you want to walk through them

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doors and pay the price that it's going to cost

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as far as whatever debts you're going to owe, then

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that's a whole different story. But those doors will be

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open to you if you're hanging out with people like this.

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Kate then went on to talk about how she met

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Epstein for the first time and how she was invited

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to Maxwell's mused townhouse where there was a loud man

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on the phone. He was wearing a sweatsuit, a jogging

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suit basically, and she recognized the man as Epstein. Maxwell

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went on to tell Epstein that she was the girl

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that she had told him about, and commented on how

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she was unusually strong for her size. Now, according to Kate,

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she was ninety five pounds at the time, and then,

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in a bizarre ass request, Maxwell asks Kate if she

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would give Epstein's feet a squeeze to show him that

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unusual strength that Maxwell had talked about. Kate says that

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she went on ahead and did that. So again, it

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just shows you the cooperation level between Maxwell and Epstein,

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and it can be if it wasn't for the overall picture.

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You could look at some like this and say, all right,

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maybe the guy has a foot fetish, right, and he

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just wants his feet touched. But we know so much more.

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evidence out there of what massage really meant to these people.

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So when you frame it like that and you look

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at the overall picture, it's pretty terrifying to know how

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many girls came through this massage room. We're talking about

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dozens and dozens. If you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's

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first indictment and what must have occurred here and how

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many of them. Maxwell allegedly had a role in grooming

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and bringing to this point. After one of Epstein's massage

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therapists canceled, Maxwell contacted Kate and asked her if she

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could fill in. Kate is then asked if she was

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a massage therapist by the prosecution at the time, and

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she says no that she was not. So again, why

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would Epstein and Maxwell be calling a seventeen year old

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girl to come over and give them a massage. They

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have all the money in the world. They could bring

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in the best massage therapists money can buy, but instead

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they're bringing in a seventeen year old girl who has

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no training. It really sets the stage for Maxwell and

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Epstein being up to no good, right again, another foundational

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building block I thought in this whole testimony, I thought

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that was one of the stronger moments as far as

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the ties that bind and as far as a moment

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of Maxwell being you know, put right there as part

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of it, right, part of Jeffrey Epstein's whole nonsensical bs.

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And it is interesting to me that it was Maxwell

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made the phone call broader in and here we are, right,

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especially considering the charges of Maxwell grooming, setting them up,

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trafficking and all of that. So what it does, is

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it definitely foundational blocks right. The questions then turned to

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Epstein's a tire and what he was wearing when Kate

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came over as the fill in massuse. When she was

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asked what he was wearing under the robe, she says

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that he was naked. Now, imagine that this gross ass

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mf naked under that robe waiting for you. You're a seventeen

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year old girl, can't even imagine the trauma. We all

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know that Jeffrey Epstein's a goofy looking asshole too. Asked

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if Maxwell was present, again, she says yes. She then

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says that Maxwell gave her massage oil. Asked by the

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prosecution if Epstein initiated sexual contact with her conduct with her,

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she again responds with yes. When asked where Maxwell was,

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Kate says that Maxwell was in the doorway. Now, according

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to people in the courtroom, several of the sexual acts

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are described here but barred by the court from being

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made public, And frankly, I'm cool with that. I really

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don't want to talk about that here on the podcast.

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I'm sure those transcripts are gonna come out and you'll

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be able to see them. But all of these years

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talking about this stuff. I feel like I have to

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drink bleach after every one of these episodes, like doubts

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myself in bleach and then drink it because it's obscene.

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All of it's obscene. Kate goes on to say after

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her massage with Epstein, she says that she was met

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by Maxwell, who had a whole bunch of questions for

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her about her time with Epstein. She asked questions like

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did you have fun and offered positive reinforcement by telling

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her she was a good girl. Kate goes on to

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say that she was pleased that she was able to

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please Maxwell. Now note she doesn't say Epstein, but that

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it was Maxwell she wanted to please. Once again, it

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goes to show the hold maxwell her hat on these

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girls and how Maxwell allegedly was a key component to

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the normalization process that we've seen over and over again.

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And it's telling right that Kate was more worried about

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pleasing Maxwell than even Epstein. So again, foundational blocks, right, folks,

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That's what they're building here, at least attempting to do it.

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Kate goes on to describe how she was given a

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schoolgirl outfit that included a short pleated skirt, a shirt, panties,

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little white panties, and white socks. When asked why she

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agreed to put on the outfit, she said that she

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didn't know how to say no and that she feared

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the consequences if she declined wearing it. That's definitely one

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of their punishments, right, one of their tools of punishment.

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I should say, as quick as we can give you

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all of this, we can take it away. And that's

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what these people do, right. They know that a lot

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of these girls are in a position where they can't

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friend for themselves perhaps, or they come from broken homes

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or drug addiction, whatever it may be, and then they

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use that as a fulk room. They use that to

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manipulate the situation and to steer these girls into these

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sorts of things and having these girls think that it's

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a normal process as they're going through it. Asked if

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Epstein performed a sex act on her, Jane, who responded

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in soft tones, said yes. Maxwell then went on to

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tell Kate that she was one of Jeffrey Epstein's favorites.

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So I don't know how Maxwell can say she doesn't

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know what was going on here, folks. It's rather obvious

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that Maxwell had an idea of what was going on here. Okay,

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and I'm being a coy, it's rather obvious that she

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was involved. How are you going to stand in the

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doorway and watch what happens and not know? How are

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you going to allegedly abuse these girls with Epstein at

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least in some instances and act like you don't know,

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And that, of course is why she's facing those perjury

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charges on the back end of this as well. Kate

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also tells the court that she was bought a Prada

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bag by Maxwell for her eighteenth birthday, again showing the

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connection with Maxwell and the grooming process. So that's how

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it works, right, let me buy you some gifts. Oh,

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this is normal. See what I can do for you.

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All you have to do is do what we want

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you to do. The prosecutor goes on to ask about

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Kate about the compensation fund, and Kate says that she

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did indeed get compensated by the fund. When asked if

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she was going to sue Maxwell, Kate answers, no, Now,

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if you accepted money from the compensation fund, that prohibits

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you from suing any of Jeffrey Epstein's cohorts or employees.

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That was part of the sign off deal on the

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compensation fund paperwork. Now, like I've always said throughout that

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whole process, I'm not going to sit here and tell

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anybody what to do as far as getting paid out this,

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that or the other thing. None of us walked even

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a foot in these girls shoes. We don't know the

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absolute nightmare that they've lived in. And if some of

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them just want to be done with it and you know,

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try and rebuild their lives as best as possible and

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take out whatever the payment is, I completely get that.

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But it's shady from the beginning that this you know,

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document would even be drummed up. And you have the

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same people working on this fund who worked on the

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nine to eleven fund, and from the jump it's always

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been a bit weird to me. Then you look at

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the fact that the United States government, via taxes, gets

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the lion's share of this money, and you got yourselves

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quite the dumpster fire once again. So they'll try and say, oh, well,

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you got a payment from the compensation fund, so you're

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just looking for money, And my counter to that is

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that's restitution for time served, all the years of suffering

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all the years of heartache, and Jeffrey Epstein's estate finally

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recognizes that pain and suffering and that Epstein was the

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cause of it, so they had to pay out money.

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That's really what it comes down to. When they get

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back from lunch, get back from their break, they set

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the tone right off the bat, meaning Bobby Sternham Glenn

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Maxwell's lawyers who are now ta taking over the questioning.

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So she sets the tone right away, and she says

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that Kate comes from a posh family and her mother

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was a debutante and her stepfather was painted as someone

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who was very wealthy and who had a residence in

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a tony neighborhood. Sternham also is attempting to paint Kate

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as an international model. Now. She says she asked Kate,

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were you on billboards? Kate responds that she was on

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one billboard, then asked about her work for a lingerie company.

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Kate says that she was a model for the company,

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but the company failed right after its launch unch, so

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it wasn't like she had some long career with this

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lingerie company. The defense goes on to ask about Kate's boyfriend,

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who's who she says was an older man who was

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in fact a former classmate of Maxwell's at Oxford. Just

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another coincidence, folks, right, you know, sure are a lot

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of coincidences around Glene Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein and this whole

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entire criminal conspiracy, conspiracy, aren't there, Sternham keeps Sternheim keeps

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hammering away, asking if Kate was discovered as a musician

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in a piano bar by the musician Seal. Kate responds no.

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Sternham then says to Kate that in the past that

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in the past, she asked if Kate had acted in movies.

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Kate says she had no speaking roles, but had been

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in movies. Sternham isn't satisfied and continues by asking Kate

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if she was ever in a movie with a well

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known UK actor, and Kate responds that yes, she was.

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So what Maxwell's Team's doing here is trying to establish that,

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you know, Kate's an actress, she knows how to act.

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She comes from this this posh family, this whole entire setup,

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and this is all just you know, a fabrication, basically

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what Bobby Sternham is trying to set up here. Sternham

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is digging in and asking Kate about the times she

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had spoken publicly, and even asking about the time in

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Judge Richard Berman's court, who was the judge who was

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overseeing the Epstein case. So she's asking how many times

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Kate had spoken publicly about her situation with Epstein, and

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even about the time that she was able to speak

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in front of Richard Berman. After Epstein's death, Judge Berman

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lets some of the accusers come in and have their

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say in the court because they were never going to

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get that now that Epstein was dead. So was asking

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asking Kate about that as far as her public acknowledgment

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of this situation and talking about herself in the public eye.

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She went on to also ask if Kate had ever

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spoken with Virginia Roberts, and Kate says she had. Now

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the Kate now the defense decides that they're going to

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change it up a bit and they start going after

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Kate for her drug use, asking Kate if she used

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drugs for ten years, and Kate responds that she was

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addicted to drugs for ten years. Now, this is a

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typical move, right, They'll try and set it up like

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Kate's a drug addict and she can't be trusted, her

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memory can't be trusted. Nothing can be trusted, that she says,

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and that she is somebody who is not credible. Once again,

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the heart of the issue here for the defense is credibility,

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and they're gonna hammer home at it. And when you

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have people who have questionable backgrounds, they're gonna be a

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little bit more exposed as far as the defense and

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the strategy that the defense is going to employ. Sternheim

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then goes on to continue with that angle about the

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drug use, and she asked if it could have affected

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Kate's memory, and Kate says that they didn't affect their

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memories that she always had, And I think it's a

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stretch to say that the drug use would affect her

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memory for something as traumatic as all of this, I

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would I would think that she would compartmentalize before she

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forgot right. So I think that's kind of a weak

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strategy for the defense to go after. But again, I'm

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certainly not a doctor or anything like that. Maxwell's team

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they were probing about her personal relationships today as well,

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asking about about her ex husband, who owns two restaurants,

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and they asked if she divorced him she replied that

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he divorced her. Then team max Well went on to

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ask if Kate married again, and she said that she hadn't.

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They went on too this other strategy here as well,

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asking if Kate had ever asked somebody to plant drugs

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on the father of her child to advance a custody case,

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and she responded with absolutely not. So they're going in, right,

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They are definitely going in on the credibility aspect, and

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I think that it's one of those strategies that it

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could pay off, but it could also really backfire. And

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so far the defense has had you know, I don't

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want to say success because it hasn't been successful, but

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they've had a complete and focused strategy on chipping away

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at credibility. Now I would really like to see the

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prosecution come swinging down with a hammer and really drop

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the drop it on these guys, and hopefully that's coming soon.

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But there's been a lot of back and forth, for sure,

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and again Kate being on the stand today, this is

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some damning evidence, right, A lot of foundational evidence, a

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lot of stuff that definitely ties Maxwell to Epstein and

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certainly ties Maxwell to the crimes that were being committed

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but them positioning her as a victim at first and

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then her just being a witness today, I think again

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shows reflects poorly on the prosecution. So I certainly have

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my concerns folks about the prosecution, and those don't seem

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to be going away anytime soon. Now, Judge Nathan calls

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for lunch after this exchange with Kate, and obviously it

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was a long run for her. This was a of

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the day Kate was on the stand and after the

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stipulation agreement to lead off the trial, it was basically

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the Kate the whole entire time before lunch. So after

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Kate was done, Judge Nathan called for lunch, and then

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the next witness up was Patrick McHugh from JP Morgan Chase.

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Now he stated under oath that he can speak on

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who can authorize or access accounts at the firm, And

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then the prosecution went on to name a bunch of

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different financial documents that are under seal, but one of

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those wire transfers between Maxwell and Epstein for seven point

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four million dollars had been between the JP Morgan Chase

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Bank and the Bank of New York Mellon. So what

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they're trying to establish here are the financial ties between

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Epstein and Maxwell, which in my opinion, should have been

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the first thing that they did, because these financial ties

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run deep, and who knows how much illicit money was

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being passed between Maxwell and Epstein. And again I hate

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to harp on it, but if this was a Rico case,

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they could really go hard here. Unfortunately it's not, so

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the scope of it is limited, and what they're trying

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to show here is the financial connection between Epstein and Maxwell. Unfortunately,

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it's not going to go deeper than that. So that

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was pretty much it for Patrick McHugh and his testimony.

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So they moved on to the next witness, who was

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Kelly maguire, a special agent of the FBI. They were

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asking her about a piece of evidence and that piece

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of evidence was Epstein's townhouse. They asked about the massage

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room on the third floor and if they accessed it

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during the raid, and she answered that they had. That

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was pretty much it, though, right there was not much

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else after that. Time was running out and Judge Nathan

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decided to call it a day. So I don't know

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if we'll hear more from Kelly McGuire tomorrow. I don't

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think that we will. Honestly, again, a lot of this

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stuff was under seal, so we don't have much to

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go on, so we'll have to play it by ear

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to see if we'll hear more from Kelly McGuire tomorrow

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and tomorrow's testimony, but it doesn't look like they're gonna

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get any more out of her. So I'm interested to

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see where things go tomorrow and where we stand. But

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as of today, folks, that's that's where we're at. That's

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where it is. That's what happened today in the courtroom

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from the bit that's available to us as of now now.

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Tomorrow morning, obviously we'll be back for the morning update

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and we'll take a look at any other information that

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might have come out overnight to give us some context here.

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But as of now, that's what it is. Kate gave

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her testimony, had the f b I agents up there,

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and that was pretty much the duration of the day.

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So we'll see, folks, it's getting to it right. We're

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in week two now, day one, and it's just going

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to continue to fly by, more witnesses, more testimony, and unfortunately,

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after each day, more questions. If you'd like to contact me,

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you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com.

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That's b O B b y c A p U

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c c I at ProtonMail dot com. You can also

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find me on Twitter at bo bby Underscore C A

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p U C c I. All right, folks, that's gonna

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do it. I will be back tomorrow with some more

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and we'll see where we left off and we'll pick

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it up from there. Have a great