Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 2: You know, if you study classic psychology psychiatry and you're
Speaker 2: looking at the new wave, the new healing techniques that
Speaker 2: are used in trauma care, a lot of it is
Speaker 2: following the path of Hindu psychology, ancient Indian thought. Things
Speaker 2: like meditation are showing to have huge beneficial repercussions for
Speaker 2: people who are living through trauma, who are emotionally challenged,
Speaker 2: who have been through tough childhoods, tough relationships, who are
Speaker 2: hyper sensitive. And I discovered this over thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: and I started meditating and it's so simple yet so powerful,
Speaker 2: and our ancestors understood this, whoever developed meditative practices. And
Speaker 2: what I use actually is a meditation with a mantra,
Speaker 2: which is just a sound that you repeat in your head,
Speaker 2: but it's the sound creates some kind of resonance in
Speaker 2: the brain that quiets the brain. And what they've discovered
Speaker 2: is when the brain is quiet, and in this tuning
Speaker 2: kind of a tune, which is the mantra, it sinks
Speaker 2: you have two brains. You have a left hemisphere and
Speaker 2: the right hemisphere, which together make your brain. And when
Speaker 2: you are meditating not only does it sink the left
Speaker 2: and the right brain, it actually quiets the brain and
Speaker 2: helps it vibrate on a healing level like a tuning fork.
Speaker 2: And we're just beginning to understand how beneficial this is.
Speaker 2: But it keeps the brain healthy. And if you're worried
Speaker 2: about Alzheimer's, if you have a history of Alzheimer's in
Speaker 2: your family, you should really be thinking about a meditative practice.
Speaker 2: Because everyone thinks that when you sleep, that's a healing
Speaker 2: that's a way to relax. It's true, but your brain's
Speaker 2: still active when you're sleeping. When you're meditating, you're actively
Speaker 2: quieting the brain. You're actively actively dropping it down into
Speaker 2: certain vibration, which is healing but also beneficial. And the
Speaker 2: longer you meditate, the better and the more productive the
Speaker 2: healing is. And they're just beginning to figure this out
Speaker 2: regarding dementia, regarding brain trauma, And as I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: there are ancestors, most notaly the Hindus. I think the
Speaker 2: Chinese has some meditative practice as well, but I'm most
Speaker 2: familiar with the Indian systems of meditative practice. They understood this,
Speaker 2: this was handed down to them, and I mentioned this,
Speaker 2: this is so old, it's ridiculous. Somebody who understood the
Speaker 2: intricacies of human physiology, human consciousness, invented meditation, invented yoga
Speaker 2: and tai chi. These are subtle movements that link the body,
Speaker 2: mind and the spirit and this is critical to health
Speaker 2: and wellness. Hey, this is Cliff, your host of destiny,
Speaker 2: and today we are talking about transcendent experiences, paranormal experiences
Speaker 2: with a psychologist that's written a fascinating book on the
Speaker 2: other levels of consciousness, the other levels of wellness, and
Speaker 2: how we're not working with it enough. And as we
Speaker 2: are growing up and we are becoming more consciou of
Speaker 2: our surroundings and our impact, meditation is huge. Also working
Speaker 2: with the paranormal, you know, working with working with reaching
Speaker 2: out telepathically to animals, to others using intention. We talk
Speaker 2: about attention all the time. And what's really fascinating about
Speaker 2: today's guest is that the a Kashak records, the Akashik
Speaker 2: storage is accessible to everyone in her estimation. And if
Speaker 2: you heard the different people we've had over the years
Speaker 2: talking about a Kashak records, I am one of these
Speaker 2: people that are that is dumbfounded on how to actually
Speaker 2: access them. And the more and the more guests we
Speaker 2: have on the program, the better I'm understanding that it's
Speaker 2: more of a quiet process that is self directed. So
Speaker 2: you're closing your eyes and you're intending to connect, And
Speaker 2: as you're intending to connect, you want to have something
Speaker 2: in mind. I want to access a record. I have
Speaker 2: a musical or writing problem. I need to have a
Speaker 2: solution to that. I'm a scientist. I am a person
Speaker 2: that is working on a lab project that I need
Speaker 2: more clarity on. And if we look beyond the simple
Speaker 2: scientific process and people who are regularly accessing or were
Speaker 2: regularly accessing the CASHI records, we're thinking of Tesla and
Speaker 2: how Tesla went in. Now, Tesla was such a genius
Speaker 2: that he can there's stories of how he would control
Speaker 2: his thoughts and he could assemble and disassemble mechanical devices
Speaker 2: in his brain, and this is how he invented a
Speaker 2: lot of things. But the other thing about Tesla is
Speaker 2: he was able to to probably he didn't probably think
Speaker 2: of it as at CASHI Records, but he was able
Speaker 2: to think intend to receive data or blueprints or information
Speaker 2: on a machine or device, have it come through to
Speaker 2: his consciousness, and it's likely that he played with it
Speaker 2: in his mind before he actually reproduced it physically in
Speaker 2: our reality. And this is what makes him the great genius.
Speaker 2: And remember I'm always talking about his version of an
Speaker 2: energy transmitter, which I think is similar to the Maya
Speaker 2: or Egyptian or pyramid science. And this is this wonderful
Speaker 2: free energy tower he created, called the Wardencliffe Tower that
Speaker 2: was constructed in upstate New York, but never got off
Speaker 2: the ground because he lost his funding. Westinghouse and these
Speaker 2: other investors when they learned what Tesla's idea was to
Speaker 2: provide free energy to anybody the power boats, homes, factories,
Speaker 2: planes and whatever. That was too much for them. They
Speaker 2: couldn't charge it. And that's you know, that's just how history.
Speaker 2: The other thing, though, is that he was so far
Speaker 2: ahead of himself on a conscious level that many of
Speaker 2: these devices that he brought through from the Akashik records
Speaker 2: were probably too advanced for the time. You know, planes
Speaker 2: jets powered by free energy, that's just too much. So
Speaker 2: today's program is all about consciousness, the paranormal side of things,
Speaker 2: what happens before we incarnate, and so much more. The
Speaker 2: program is called a paranormal perspective, and my guest is
Speaker 2: doctor Susan Plunkett. Hey, I do tours every year, and
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you that some of them are out standing.
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Speaker 2: December first through the twelfth. What makes this tour simply
Speaker 2: irresistible is the fact that we get to connect with
Speaker 2: the pyramids. We get to climb pyramids and sit and
Speaker 2: commune with them. Some of them are active. I'm always
Speaker 2: speaking about John Burke and his testing. We will actually
Speaker 2: sit on the Lost World pyramid that John tested and
Speaker 2: actually showed is emitting vibration. So this tour is one
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Speaker 2: shaman and not only connecting with some of the oldest
Speaker 2: sites of the Maya world, including Tikal and l Miodor.
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Speaker 2: slash Tours. I'm always looking for titles of books and
Speaker 2: material on the paranormal. It's an area that we don't
Speaker 2: cover enough because it is something that is just beginning
Speaker 2: to be well thought of. Prior to the psychological definitions
Speaker 2: of different paranormal states. It was Madame Blavaski and Rudolf
Speaker 2: Steiner providing their points of view, which is pretty much
Speaker 2: esoteric and in my belief. My guest today is a
Speaker 2: Youngian psychologist. Her name is Susan Pluggett. She has written
Speaker 2: a new book called It's actually one of a series
Speaker 2: called Paranormal Perspectives, a young in Understanding of Transcendent Experiences.
Speaker 2: We were both talking before the start that she's going
Speaker 2: to be changing the title's name, but we'll get to
Speaker 2: that at the end. And it's an important book on
Speaker 2: a lot of different levels because it's coming from a
Speaker 2: psychologist who has delved into the paranormal and is giving
Speaker 2: us her perspective. So hey, Susan, Welcome to Destiny. Great
Speaker 2: to have you on the program.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having the cliff.
Speaker 2: The first thing I want to mention is this book
Speaker 2: is autobiographical.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a memoir, but a specific memoir of nineteen
Speaker 1: different paranormal experiences that I had from pre birth to
Speaker 1: age seventy five. My god, and you know what, after
Speaker 1: I finished it, I thought of some others I forgot.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because a lot of classically and
Speaker 2: you're classically trained a psychologist, wouldn't delve into it and
Speaker 2: grasp so many and actually consider them truths. Why did
Speaker 2: you decide to write about this? Because I mean some
Speaker 2: people would be embarrassed about what they're doing talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would be. And I wouldn't have thought of
Speaker 1: writing this book, I'll tell you that, even though it's
Speaker 1: my favorite book that I've ever written. And the reason
Speaker 1: I wrote it was because Gavin Davies, who's the publicist
Speaker 1: at my publishing company, said people need to know about
Speaker 1: the paranormal. They need to look forward in their lives.
Speaker 1: It's enriching. So I'm starting a series. Susan, write a
Speaker 1: book about your paranormal experiences. I'm not the only one.
Speaker 1: There are five or six authors who will slowly be published.
Speaker 1: So I did because he gave me the brief that
Speaker 1: was the whole brief, write about your paranormal experiences. So
Speaker 1: I sat down and I made a list of what
Speaker 1: I could remember of my own paranormal experiences to share
Speaker 1: with people. But of course I'd look at everything through
Speaker 1: a Jungian lens, because Carl Jung is the major influence
Speaker 1: in my professional life. So I look at everything kind
Speaker 1: of through what I understand of his psychology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you say that you are psychic?
Speaker 1: No, I would say no. More than everyone. I would
Speaker 1: say that I'm intuitive and I do have psychic experiences,
Speaker 1: but I don't walk around knowing what's going on with
Speaker 1: everybody that I see. I'm just not that open, though
Speaker 1: each of us could be. I'm not choosing to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean in that a little in my practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the book, you have a lot of concepts
Speaker 2: that you present that are natural. You use them naturally,
Speaker 2: things like the Akashak records and subconscious mind, the soul,
Speaker 2: and I think psychic awareness is also part of it.
Speaker 2: Although you don't talk about that you do mention in
Speaker 2: your time in Berkeley and the Psychic Institute. We'll present
Speaker 2: that in a minute. But do you feel that you're
Speaker 2: out of the norm in your presentation of the data.
Speaker 1: I guess uh, I mean I like it. I'm if
Speaker 1: I'm out of the norm, but I think whatever I
Speaker 1: can do, everyone can do. I'm not out of the
Speaker 1: norm in terms of who can do this. I'm just
Speaker 1: doing it. Okay, So I'm out of the norm that
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. But we are all made the same way.
Speaker 1: We are all part of the same mind, the thing
Speaker 1: Young called the ess mondus, the one world, the one mind.
Speaker 1: It's even quantum physicists. Nobel Prize winning quantum physicists like
Speaker 1: Aaron Schrodinger said, the number of minds in the universe
Speaker 1: is one. We are all in it.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: This is astro this is quantum physics. Yeah, so and
Speaker 1: Young said so many times that we live in psyche.
Speaker 1: We live. There's no reason that we have to believe
Speaker 1: this three dimensional world which we perceive is real. Jung says,
Speaker 1: the only evidence we have is the evidence of our senses.
Speaker 1: But we all know that perception is bec specific. You
Speaker 1: and I and every human listening. We see we walk
Speaker 1: into a room, we see roughly the same room, but
Speaker 1: a dragonfly fifty thousand eyes. They see a different room.
Speaker 1: A dog that cut a turtle. So if every one
Speaker 1: of the humans vanished from the earth, the earth as
Speaker 1: we know it wouldn't exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, you open the book with a fascinating look
Speaker 2: of I call it pre birth. When you're incarnating his soul,
Speaker 2: that's pretty heavy.
Speaker 1: Susan, Well, we can all go there. As I went there,
Speaker 1: there's a place in Los Angeles. It's Newton. I think
Speaker 1: it's the Newton Institute.
Speaker 2: Oh, Michael Newton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's life between life regression. And he was just
Speaker 1: doing regular regression with his patients. He's a psychologist, and
Speaker 1: they started going not to their past lives, but to
Speaker 1: the in between life space, and it blew his mind.
Speaker 1: So then he started people wanted to go there, like
Speaker 1: to understand why did I incarnate? Why did I choose
Speaker 1: these parents? What was I thinking? You know? So I
Speaker 1: wanted to do that, So I contacted the Newton Institute
Speaker 1: and one of the experiences I had was pre birth.
Speaker 1: I also had other experiences in the life between life place.
Speaker 2: Did you excuse me? For a minute. Did you say
Speaker 2: that you went there and you had a regression?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that work, oh, with a lot of
Speaker 1: Newton's well, one of his right hand people, Paul rand
Speaker 1: Paul Arand is a psychologist trained Byton. Newton is now dad.
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to go to that space and I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to get there on my own, so
Speaker 1: I went through them, and I had several different experiences
Speaker 1: in that space and never wanted to leave it.
Speaker 2: So just let's go through that real quickly. So they
Speaker 2: it was hypnotherapy or was it some other kind of regression.
Speaker 1: It's a type of hypnotherapy, but you are in charge,
Speaker 1: so you're not completely hypnotized. You're in a quasi hypnotic space.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of preparation before they will do this,
Speaker 1: like you spend four hours just doing regular past life regression,
Speaker 1: which I wasn't interested in because I'd done so much
Speaker 1: of that when I was younger. But they don't want
Speaker 1: to do this with you unless they feel you're not
Speaker 1: going to flip out so you know, or not come back.
Speaker 1: And it's a risk because you don't really want to
Speaker 1: come back because it feels so fantastic to communicate telepathically, so.
Speaker 2: You actually go to that in between space in this regression. Well,
Speaker 2: your body go, your soul.
Speaker 1: Your consciousness, but he keeps They keep like a rope
Speaker 1: or like a cord on you, and they keep asking
Speaker 1: you questions and you don't want to talk because you're
Speaker 1: communicating telepathically, and it's such an annoyance, but they they
Speaker 1: force you, and they have this bell that you know
Speaker 1: when they're going to insist that it's too you're too
Speaker 1: long over there, so which calls you back and you'd
Speaker 1: like think on. But it's just an amazing experience. It's
Speaker 1: an amazing experience.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the early opening of your book when
Speaker 2: you are ready to incarnate as a baby, and you
Speaker 2: are and this is a fascinating how you remember this
Speaker 2: is fascinating, but.
Speaker 1: You're because of going over Yeah.
Speaker 2: But your sister or the soul who was supposed to
Speaker 2: be your sister, decides that she doesn't want to come
Speaker 2: into the physicality. Give us a sense of what that
Speaker 2: was like when you were bringing that through.
Speaker 1: Uh. Well, first of all, I knew that my mother
Speaker 1: had lost a twin, and I knew that she thought
Speaker 1: she lost me. In the eighth months because they couldn't
Speaker 1: detect a heartbeat. Because I think I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: come back either, but then I did. Because you're you
Speaker 1: have the option not to be in the body while
Speaker 1: the while you're helping the mother to well you're doing it,
Speaker 1: you're really building the body, so you have the option
Speaker 1: not to. You don't have to be in there because
Speaker 1: it's boring to the soul, Like you don't want to
Speaker 1: be in there. You kind of hang around, you can
Speaker 1: check back and forth. But it I was frightened to
Speaker 1: be born. I had the experience at being frightened, and
Speaker 1: Sophie was frightened, and she told me some of that.
Speaker 1: She was my imaginary friend after I was born. Wow,
Speaker 1: because many kids have imaginary friends. And of course my
Speaker 1: parents knew her after I was born, and my father
Speaker 1: was very accepting of her, like, tell us where she is,
Speaker 1: so we don't sit on her, you know all that stuff,
Speaker 1: because you know, kids take it very seriously.
Speaker 2: Well, your father is very your mother is the problem
Speaker 2: in your life. And your father is a ally in
Speaker 2: many ways because he's sensitive as well.
Speaker 1: He's very very spiritual. Yeah, he like he had seen
Speaker 1: like when he was in college. He told me he
Speaker 1: saw like the divine, he saw it in forms of light.
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew that growing up, that he was
Speaker 1: communicating with his father after he died.
Speaker 2: You're right about that, told me.
Speaker 1: He told me that, and then I saw them standing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after my grandfather was dead.
Speaker 2: So can you give us a sense of this in
Speaker 2: between realm? Is is it heaven? Or it's more It
Speaker 2: seems to be more preparatory than anything else I've heard about,
Speaker 2: in that the script is being written or for this
Speaker 2: for the life, the incarnation, and you're surrounded by souls
Speaker 2: who are helper souls also people who are going to
Speaker 2: be part of your childhood, midlife, and adult life. Talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about that, because that's fascinating, that.
Speaker 1: Realm, and I think people probably experience it differently. But
Speaker 1: it was it was more light in ethereal and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize this, but at one point the psychologist who
Speaker 1: was keeping tabs on me said what do you look like?
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to be bothered looking, but he
Speaker 1: said look down, look down, And I said, I'm just
Speaker 1: an oval. What color oval? He said? I said, I'm
Speaker 1: a blue oval. That's what I am here. That's how
Speaker 1: that's what I can see, and I saw the other
Speaker 1: people who I knew who they were, people I know
Speaker 1: who are dead, my father, my sister, Carl jung as
Speaker 1: ovals of light also, but the communication was totally telepathic,
Speaker 1: and I saw people there that were still alive on earth,
Speaker 1: because a part of you, even when you're incarnated, is
Speaker 1: still in another space, so you don't incarnate with all
Speaker 1: your energy. Because I thought it was surprising that I
Speaker 1: saw live people. And later I asked the psychologist, how
Speaker 1: did I see some people I know are alive? And
Speaker 1: he said, because all of you is not.
Speaker 2: Did you see them as recognizable souls or did you
Speaker 2: see them as some.
Speaker 1: Other but I knew who they were. You could feel
Speaker 1: that this You feel who they are, and all the
Speaker 1: communication is telepathic and people, it's sort of like just
Speaker 1: floating and and it's just like a light realm. It's
Speaker 1: like a light realm, and it feels so good that
Speaker 1: I was vaguely aware the whole time that my human
Speaker 1: body was lying on the chaise, weeping, but I didn't
Speaker 1: care about her. I didn't care what she was doing,
Speaker 1: although I knew that I had to use her voice
Speaker 1: to answer him when he was like tugging on me.
Speaker 2: It's it's very not only is it interesting, but it's
Speaker 2: very in depth where you're presenting, try to grasp.
Speaker 1: People can read about this in Newton's books Michael Newton
Speaker 1: Newton if you want to read this, Michael Newton, Life
Speaker 1: Between Life, Regression, Life Beyond Life. Don't know all the titles,
Speaker 1: but he will come up. We won't have trouble finding
Speaker 1: him because he's famous.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had Michael Newton in San Francisco. I was
Speaker 2: a program director for a conference called Whole Life, and
Speaker 2: so I actually met him when he work in his books. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was a goot, great speaker too, very very influential. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: A brave guy to put this stuff out there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he's really stuck his neck out pretty far.
Speaker 1: He stuck his neck out. Yeah, yeah, thank god he did.
Speaker 2: The first couple of chapters are in depth in actually
Speaker 2: describing these other realms. What do you call that realm
Speaker 2: you call the realm heaven prior to birth, where your
Speaker 2: souls are congregating, preparing to incarnate into a soul. What
Speaker 2: do you define that place as?
Speaker 1: I think I just call it a space that's outside
Speaker 1: of space time.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean. Excuse me, Susan. It's
Speaker 2: like the astral realm, the higher.
Speaker 1: No, it's not the astral realm. It's beyond the astral
Speaker 1: it is. It's a higher realm. But I don't really
Speaker 1: know a name for it. Okay, I don't really know
Speaker 1: a name for it. Okay, people could call it heaven.
Speaker 1: But if that's your lingo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned in the first couple of chapters that
Speaker 2: you spent time in Berkeley, and you were at the
Speaker 2: Berkeley Psyconic Institute where you were given a reading that
Speaker 2: kind of sparked your interests. I think, or maybe you
Speaker 2: already had a natural interest in paranormal talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about that, right.
Speaker 1: I was as how old was was ide there? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Twenty eight twenty nine. I was living in Berkeley,
Speaker 1: got married in the Berkeley Rose Garden, and I was
Speaker 1: just walking on Telegraph Avenue and I saw a thing
Speaker 1: on a pole that said, you know, I'd been in
Speaker 1: the cafe, the famous cafe there the med I forget
Speaker 1: the name, but anyway, there was a thing on a
Speaker 1: pole and I saw the science Why. I went around
Speaker 1: the corner and it was this big yellow house at
Speaker 1: the time, and I made an appointment because I was
Speaker 1: not happy in my relationship. I was just not knowing
Speaker 1: where to be. I was kind of lost. I was
Speaker 1: working as a waitress, and I had been I had
Speaker 1: taught high school for two years, high school English. But
Speaker 1: I was kind of lost. So I went in there
Speaker 1: and I had a great experience with them.
Speaker 2: Did they train you at all or did you just
Speaker 2: go for No?
Speaker 1: I just went. I learned a little from them, but no,
Speaker 1: I just went for a session. But it was a
Speaker 1: very dramatic session. First it was just me and intuitive Yeah,
Speaker 1: who was probably ten years older than me. I was
Speaker 1: in my twenty she was probably in her thirties. But
Speaker 1: then the house started shaking. The building started shaking. Immediately
Speaker 1: the door opens, two more intuitives come in older, an
Speaker 1: older man and older women, and all three of them
Speaker 1: sit down across from me, and I say, what's going on?
Speaker 1: And they say, there's a person here who doesn't want
Speaker 1: there's an entity here. It doesn't want you to have
Speaker 1: this session, and it's trying to disrupt us. Wow, the
Speaker 1: house was rocking. It wasn't like earthquake, but this three
Speaker 1: story house was rocking. They stabilized it by driving this
Speaker 1: entity person off, and then we did work to remove
Speaker 1: a cord that had been Many people do this work,
Speaker 1: remove a chord that had been placed in me sometime
Speaker 1: before by this entity. And to do that we had
Speaker 1: to work through my higher self to get permission, because
Speaker 1: my higher self must have allowed it in some lifetime
Speaker 1: or some dimension. So that was a very good experience.
Speaker 1: And after that I made the decision to leave Berkeley
Speaker 1: and return to New York to go to get a
Speaker 1: PhD in psychology.
Speaker 2: That's pretty maid.
Speaker 1: It was really I was feeling lost, and it was transformative.
Speaker 1: So I two days later, I picked up the telephone.
Speaker 1: In those days, it was, you know, nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 1: or eight or something. There was no Internet for me
Speaker 1: to you know, apply on I called the New School
Speaker 1: for Social Research and I asked them to snail mail me.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's all. There was an application for graduate school,
Speaker 1: and they sent it. I applied, I got accepted, and
Speaker 1: I came back to New York and started school.
Speaker 2: M amazing. We're going to take a short commercial break
Speaker 2: to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will
Speaker 2: return shortly with my guest. Today Susan Plunkett discussing her
Speaker 2: new book, Paranormal Perspectives. We'll be right back. My guest
Speaker 2: today is Susan Plunkett. She has written a new book
Speaker 2: called Paranormal Perspectives. And this is a look at the
Speaker 2: unconscious and paranormal activity that each of us possess prior
Speaker 2: to incarnation and also what happens during our incarnation here
Speaker 2: on planet Earth. At the end of each chapter, you
Speaker 2: have kind of a work paragraph where you ask people
Speaker 2: to kind of look in word and be introspective. Why
Speaker 2: did you add that to the book? Did you feel
Speaker 2: that it was important or talk about that aspect of
Speaker 2: the chapters.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you exactly what I wouldn't have thought of
Speaker 1: it myself. I worked for a number of years with
Speaker 1: a shaman who lived half time Peru, half the time
Speaker 1: in Australia. She was the daughter of an Australian aboriginator
Speaker 1: and she was a powerful She is a powerful shaman.
Speaker 1: She's now in Australia and she channeled a group entity,
Speaker 1: a group mind, which she called the arcs Now. I
Speaker 1: think they must have maybe were archangels, but they were
Speaker 1: so loving to me, and they would tell me things
Speaker 1: that I often did not want to hear or do.
Speaker 1: Like they told me, you have to write. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to write, you incarnated to write. You're a scribe. You're
Speaker 1: a scribe. You're supposed to write a trilogy. Oh. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to do that too hard. Then they told
Speaker 1: me ten years before this book. Ten years before this book,
Speaker 1: they said, oh, by the way, you're going to write
Speaker 1: a book. You're going to write a book with workbook
Speaker 1: exercises at the end of each chapter.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So okay, fast forward ten years. Gavin Davies, my publicist, says,
Speaker 1: like Susan, I'll write a book back in paranorl experiences.
Speaker 1: So I'm writing it and I keep having the thought, oh,
Speaker 1: put something at the end of each chapter. Just give
Speaker 1: them something that they can try. And then after I
Speaker 1: finished the book, or at the last chapter, I realized
Speaker 1: it's a freaking book. Book they told me to write
Speaker 1: ten years ago. I didn't know I was going.
Speaker 2: To That's funny.
Speaker 1: It was very they were just don't question these beings
Speaker 1: that speak to you because they know so much more.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you. Do you feel the books
Speaker 2: in some ways channeled by the higher realms?
Speaker 1: You're just kind of a yeah, this book is not
Speaker 1: channel because unless except they probably told me to remind
Speaker 1: me to do the exercises. But I have another book
Speaker 1: called Mission from Venus, which was completely pretty much channeled.
Speaker 1: It's that's the trilogy they told me to write, except
Speaker 1: I haven't finished it because I stopped the third book
Speaker 1: to do this book, and now I have to go
Speaker 1: back to the third book. But boy, my nails. But
Speaker 1: the first two books are out, and the first one
Speaker 1: is Mission from Venus, where these higher dimensional beings incarnate
Speaker 1: as human.
Speaker 2: To be.
Speaker 1: To then have to wake up so that they can help.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with the Raw Material
Speaker 1: or your listeners are, or the Law of One, but
Speaker 1: they Raw talks about wanderers, and when Raw was channeled
Speaker 1: by Carla Rucker and Don Elkins in nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 1: he said, there are sixty five million wanderers on Earth now,
Speaker 1: and they are from the fifth dimension, and they are
Speaker 1: here attempting to wake up realize they've come from a
Speaker 1: higher dimension in order to teach humans that they are divine,
Speaker 1: that we all can do all these things, that we
Speaker 1: are all as young. Said part of the collective Unconscious
Speaker 1: part of the Unus Mundus. So, yeah, those books are channeled,
Speaker 1: but this book was just written on demand.
Speaker 2: It's funny because the raw material has been around. But
Speaker 2: more importantly, I have people on the program talking about
Speaker 2: the fifth dimension. It's like, why we going to the
Speaker 2: fifth we still need to work on the.
Speaker 1: Fourth and we're you know, we're kind of half in
Speaker 1: the third and half in the fourth. Now, yeah, what
Speaker 1: Manka told me Manka was an early teacher, disincarnate teacher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but I mean, what is the fifth dimension
Speaker 2: offering us?
Speaker 1: I think I don't know because I'm only here in
Speaker 1: third and fourth. But from what I understand from things
Speaker 1: I've read that it's much more loving, that we have
Speaker 1: a more unity consciousness, We are much more able to
Speaker 1: be in the world of oneness. You know, Young talks
Speaker 1: about are two that we're all made of two our
Speaker 1: little self, which is our ego self, and then our
Speaker 1: eternal aspect, our number two self, the s And I
Speaker 1: think what I understand is that when we're in the
Speaker 1: fifth dimension, we're much less in the little ego self
Speaker 1: and we're much more in the big transcendent self that
Speaker 1: understands oneness in the sense that raw talks about it
Speaker 1: that we are all part of one being. Although Raw
Speaker 1: was a sixth dimensional being, so he was heading much
Speaker 1: more towards the unmanifest. And he said that he was
Speaker 1: part of a social memory complex, so he was not
Speaker 1: one being. I think Seth, for example. I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody's talked about Seth, but Seth was channeled in
Speaker 1: the sixties by Jane Roberts. Seth seemed to have although
Speaker 1: we had an Oversaul, he had his own kind of
Speaker 1: fifth dimensional consciousness. But by the sixth dimension, Raw talks
Speaker 1: about we we you know, even though he's just speaking.
Speaker 1: So I think we move closer and closer to the oneness.
Speaker 1: People say you're higher. Sell lives in the six dimension
Speaker 1: and reaches back if we ask for help.
Speaker 2: Can we talk a little bit about who we incarnate
Speaker 2: with each lifetime. I'm aware of the story or the
Speaker 2: understanding that we have a script. I'm always curious to
Speaker 2: know how much of that script is predestined and how
Speaker 2: much free will we have. But within that, let me
Speaker 2: just start with this first part and then we'll go
Speaker 2: through the free will part. Who do we incarnate with
Speaker 2: and what you Let's start with the unseen do we
Speaker 2: have like unseen people around us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, lots of beings around all of us. We
Speaker 1: can ask for help. They can't intervene if we don't ask,
Speaker 1: and they are most likely part of our solo group.
Speaker 1: Some of our solo group will be incarnate with us.
Speaker 1: We as far as I understand it, we all are
Speaker 1: part of a solo group. We're all part of the oneness.
Speaker 1: But within the oneness there's our local soul group. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we have we incarnate again and again, and we
Speaker 1: offer each other experiences, and we have free will. We
Speaker 1: have a script according to Raw, but if we don't
Speaker 1: wake up, we will have written options. This is raw.
Speaker 1: I'm giving now into the script, Like, if I don't
Speaker 1: wake up by a certain time, give me a catalyst,
Speaker 1: an accident, an illness, a heartbreak, a loss, so that
Speaker 1: I will wake up.
Speaker 2: Well, it's stop for a minute, Susan. So what you're
Speaker 2: saying is when you incarnate, you're supposed to to have
Speaker 2: an AHA period where it shifts you into self realization.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it's an AHA because you
Speaker 1: come through the veil of forgetting. We all do, so
Speaker 1: we don't remember where we're coming from or who we are.
Speaker 1: So we're very confused, and we start to adjust to
Speaker 1: this life, and we start to just believe the evidence
Speaker 1: of our senses. But some of us, probably psychics and
Speaker 1: people like that, didn't lose everything. They kind of remember
Speaker 1: some stuff where it starts to come back to them
Speaker 1: and they start to wonder and work a little. So
Speaker 1: I forgot the question.
Speaker 2: So who do we incarnate with.
Speaker 1: The our soul group? Yeah, our solo group. We probably
Speaker 1: tend to come one one week, I mean, one lifetime.
Speaker 1: You're the mother, the next year the son, your brother.
Speaker 1: You're the mother, You're the murderer, you're the betrayer, you're
Speaker 1: the savior, you're the hero. You know. Yeah, we try
Speaker 1: different roles, all with the purpose of waking up to
Speaker 1: remember that we are none of those. We are a
Speaker 1: divine light being. We are a divine light being.
Speaker 2: How do we ask for help from the unseen world?
Speaker 1: There are some really big and good ways. One is dreams.
Speaker 1: You can ask for the gift of the dream every night,
Speaker 1: because dreams come from the collective unconscious and the personal unconscious,
Speaker 1: which is beyond space time. So dreams can see around
Speaker 1: corners and into the future, because where there is no
Speaker 1: space time. There is no past president. There's just access
Speaker 1: to every event. And if you develop a relationship with
Speaker 1: your unconscious, it will respond and give you dreams. If
Speaker 1: you pay no attention, it will stop trying. So it's
Speaker 1: like a muscle you have to work. Yeah, that's one way. Prayer,
Speaker 1: just asking, Just ask, like ask with an open heart.
Speaker 1: I need help. I'm talking to my guides, I'm talking
Speaker 1: to my higher self. I'm talking to the archangels. Whoever
Speaker 1: you want to talk to. Ask and then write down
Speaker 1: what they tell you. What you hear. Sometimes an answer
Speaker 1: to a question will appear on the side of a truck,
Speaker 1: or you know, sometimes it will you'll hear a song.
Speaker 1: You know, the universe is always speaking to us. So ask. Dream.
Speaker 1: Meditate is as transcendent experience as is possible. Meditation can
Speaker 1: take you beyond space time without drugs. Without drugs, drugs
Speaker 1: take you beyond space time too, but you don't have
Speaker 1: very much control. So meditation takes you where you need
Speaker 1: most to go. Because with meditation you get in contact
Speaker 1: with source, so you can heal yourself. You can heal
Speaker 1: your blueprint if your blueprint had any glitches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you do some meditation.
Speaker 1: I meditate every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how is that more powerful than sleep? If
Speaker 2: we leave our body when we sleep and we're accessing
Speaker 2: these other realms and bringing back data, what's the difference
Speaker 2: between that and a meditative process.
Speaker 1: It's not so very different, except that we don't remember
Speaker 1: most of the experiences we have during sleep unless we
Speaker 1: wake up while while we're still out of our body
Speaker 1: and see our body across the room on the bed.
Speaker 1: Then we realize, oh my god, I think I'm on
Speaker 1: an island in the Mediterranean, but there's there's my body
Speaker 1: over there. We don't And also meditation, uh, involves effort,
Speaker 1: mostly the effort of trying not to well.
Speaker 2: Just try to sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay. That's okay if you go to sleep too,
Speaker 1: because before and after sleep, going to sleep and waking
Speaker 1: up you go through theda, and theda is like a
Speaker 1: good you know, liminal space where healing can happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: meditation involves intention. Intention and intention is how we create.
Speaker 1: We create with intention, we intend, and then we attend.
Speaker 1: We say that this world is important because sleep just
Speaker 1: takes us and you know, there's not much of intention
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, I think the difference is intention, our
Speaker 1: intention to contact because what we are seeking is seeking us,
Speaker 1: and in meditation we are seeking. In sleep, you know
Speaker 1: we're stressing.
Speaker 2: I like what you just said. What we're seeking that
Speaker 2: thing is seeking us. Yes, I like the term intention
Speaker 2: because I think of the earth in this environment. This
Speaker 2: reality as hardware, and intention is the software that you
Speaker 2: access the hardware with. So when you are intending something,
Speaker 2: you're actually putting a CD into machine, right right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But how effective is that? I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't are happy because they don't get immediate results.
Speaker 2: It takes time for the reality to be manifest.
Speaker 1: I guess right, well, when people are trying to manifest,
Speaker 1: like okay, I want million dollars. The other part of
Speaker 1: the intention and attention is that you have Your vibration
Speaker 1: is part of what creates. So yes, you intend with
Speaker 1: your thought and your mind, but you have to The
Speaker 1: universe is reactive. If you smile at somebody that you're
Speaker 1: passing in the street, many times they will smile back
Speaker 1: at you because you're putting out a little love. You're saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're here together, you know where you're having this experience together.
Speaker 1: You're not saying anything but you know you're just and
Speaker 1: then they smile back, and it's divine. You may never
Speaker 1: see that person again. So your energy is what they're
Speaker 1: responding to the fact that you took that risk and
Speaker 1: smiled at a stranger. So when you intend, your energy
Speaker 1: kind of has to be in it, and I think
Speaker 1: then things start to manifest faster.
Speaker 2: I think your book provides an understanding of paranormal abilities.
Speaker 2: Should we be cultivating our paranormal and we're using paranormal
Speaker 2: because that's the psychological term for it, but our natural
Speaker 2: gifts would be a more better statement. How do we
Speaker 2: go about and give us some examples? I mean, being
Speaker 2: aware as psychic, you know, understanding things is one. There's
Speaker 2: so many types of parent normal. Working with the unseen. Uh,
Speaker 2: We've had people on my program who are talking about
Speaker 2: working with relatives I have passed on and the big one
Speaker 2: right now and I like you to talk about this.
Speaker 2: Here's the question. Ancestral healing seems to be huge right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because this is bleeding through and I have to wonder,
Speaker 2: especially in the United States with so many different soul levels,
Speaker 2: if this is the this healing is what's taking place
Speaker 2: right now with the current administration.
Speaker 1: God help us.
Speaker 2: I mean that's seriously no, I mean I think there's
Speaker 2: some kind of healing going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully, Yes, I know, I know this. I think
Speaker 1: we can heal our ancestors. Yeah, we can heal back
Speaker 1: through the generations. But it has to be done from
Speaker 1: the unus mundus. It has to be done beyond space time.
Speaker 1: It has to be done in a meditative space where
Speaker 1: you're outside of space time, that is three dimensional reality,
Speaker 1: because you have to healing you. For that kind of healing,
Speaker 1: you have to get outside of rational limited thinking. So
Speaker 1: that's what you have to be in a meditative state
Speaker 1: to be in a transcendent state, and then ancestral hearing
Speaker 1: definitely can happen. But to go back to your prior question,
Speaker 1: the thing we can all start with is our intuition.
Speaker 1: We all have intuition. So if you decide, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to just be aware of my intuition, you
Speaker 1: can even like say you're out to dinner with a friend.
Speaker 1: You can say okay, because then you will feel how
Speaker 1: it works. You can say, okay, I'm going to think
Speaker 1: of an animal. Don't say anything to me, but just
Speaker 1: leave it out there that I'm thinking of an animal
Speaker 1: and when it comes to you, maybe after the entree comes,
Speaker 1: just tell me one animal, so you don't try, and
Speaker 1: then the person will tell you. On dessert, Oh, you
Speaker 1: were thinking of a giraft when we were ordering, and
Speaker 1: I was because you don't try, because it doesn't come
Speaker 1: from will. It comes from just allowing yourself to get
Speaker 1: it when you can without effort.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's an interesting example, just kind of. It's
Speaker 2: like moving part of the body is.
Speaker 1: Float to let it float when it wants to float.
Speaker 1: In demand it. Don't look for it, you know, don't
Speaker 1: try to figure it out with your rational mind because
Speaker 1: it's not The answer is not in your rational mind.
Speaker 1: You have to go to the transcendent space to get it,
Speaker 1: and you will go there if you leave yourself alone,
Speaker 1: So using your intuition, trying to listen to it, or
Speaker 1: asking your intuition, like, look, I have to make this decision.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask for a dream tonight, but you
Speaker 1: know it might take two or three nights to get it.
Speaker 1: But could could you just could you just give me
Speaker 1: some kind of a sign, Just give me some kind
Speaker 1: of a sign. I don't care if it's on the
Speaker 1: side of a truck a song that's the next song
Speaker 1: on the playlist. Just give me a sign. Just start
Speaker 1: to do things like that, your respect for your intuition
Speaker 1: develops it.
Speaker 2: Hmm. I like that.
Speaker 1: People who work with their dreams do develop their intuition.
Speaker 1: They also get cured of their insomnia. Really because well,
Speaker 1: any contact with the unconscious will help insomnia. People who
Speaker 1: have insomnia are two to one sided. They're too much
Speaker 1: in the rational world and not enough in the unconscious
Speaker 1: realm beyond space time. But once you get in the
Speaker 1: realm of the higher self capital us, you will sleep better.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guest today, Susan Plunkett, presenting a new book
Speaker 2: called Paranormal Perspectives. Will be right back. My guest today
Speaker 2: is Susan Pluggett. She has written a new book called
Speaker 2: Paranormal Perspective. This is a look at the different levels
Speaker 2: of consciousness that is obtained through meditation as well as
Speaker 2: paranormal activity. How do we go about using paranormal philosophy
Speaker 2: to get what we want in life? That's not an
Speaker 2: easy question, but maybe that's no.
Speaker 1: I think you already answered it before when you said,
Speaker 1: you know, we use our intention. But I think if
Speaker 1: you come from a place of love, for example, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a Tara Brock who says
Speaker 1: this or one of those people say, you know, may
Speaker 1: all be may I, may all beings be safe, May
Speaker 1: all beings be free, May I be safe, May I
Speaker 1: be free? But may all beings be safe, may all
Speaker 1: beings no peace? If you can come from that place
Speaker 1: and then you intend what you want, but you don't
Speaker 1: want it to go against the free will of anyone else,
Speaker 1: because it's kind of a psychic law that it's not
Speaker 1: a good idea to limit anyone else's free will. So
Speaker 1: if you come from a place of love, then your
Speaker 1: intention just travels further.
Speaker 2: I like that. The Akashik records, the Akashak files, wherever
Speaker 2: we want to call it. The Akahak level has been
Speaker 2: in the news now for probably I want to say,
Speaker 2: a decade, more so in the last five or six years,
Speaker 2: and some people are beginning to think that the real
Speaker 2: geniuses of our society, that the Tesla's Einstein's, had access
Speaker 2: to that realm. Do you or are you familiar with
Speaker 2: the Akashyak records, And do you.
Speaker 1: Actually I think the Akashak records. I mean my first
Speaker 1: contact with them was, you know, as a teenager reading
Speaker 1: Edgar Casey. Yeah, because to do his healing, he would
Speaker 1: travel to the Akashak. The way I understand the Akashak Now,
Speaker 1: it is that area that realm beyond space time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where everything is known, where the great oneness, So we
Speaker 1: can call it the Akashak records, that's what Casey called it.
Speaker 1: But it is that space where every intuition comes from,
Speaker 1: where every invention comes from. Everything we have, from the
Speaker 1: light bulb to the jet plane to whatever ao it
Speaker 1: comes from that area. Yes, all those things come from
Speaker 1: that area.
Speaker 2: How do we know when we're there? And do you
Speaker 2: have any suggestions on how someone can tap into it
Speaker 2: and know that they're there?
Speaker 1: Their best way is meditation. But you're there every night
Speaker 1: in your dreams. You leave your body every night in
Speaker 1: your dreams because your body doesn't go anywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: your body just stays wherever you leave it. But it's
Speaker 1: your consciousness. Like when I was a little kid, my
Speaker 1: sister I was eleven, she was six. She said to me,
Speaker 1: you travel with your intention. You don't will it, You
Speaker 1: imagine it, and you intend it, and then you can
Speaker 1: be anywhere. And then when you're there, you ask the
Speaker 1: question that you want.
Speaker 2: And when you're asking the question that you want, someone's
Speaker 2: returning that question with an answer. Or is it like
Speaker 2: an intuitive direction of where to go next?
Speaker 1: Could be either It could be either It could be
Speaker 1: your own higher self, it could be giving you an intuition,
Speaker 1: or it could be someone else in the field. Because
Speaker 1: we're all in the field together. Many people don't realize this,
Speaker 1: but Carl Jung quantum physics and Vedanta five thousand year
Speaker 1: old Hindu knowledge, for example in the Upanishads, particularly in
Speaker 1: the Bagua Gita aspect, all share the same philosophy of oneness.
Speaker 1: And when we reach that place of oneness, we're beyond
Speaker 1: the limitations of the rational mind, which is narrow, and
Speaker 1: you know orderly and all knowledge is possible.
Speaker 2: So how would you say? What would you suggest a
Speaker 2: person do who wants to who's perhaps thinking of and
Speaker 2: increasing finance or wanting to get into a new job situation,
Speaker 2: and they want to know something unique and they want
Speaker 2: to go to the Akashuk records to find out data
Speaker 2: do they ask it ahead of time and say I
Speaker 2: intend to get data from the Acashuk records through meditation,
Speaker 2: and then the person has an aha moment or is
Speaker 2: there something more direct.
Speaker 1: No, that's a good approach. I think if they meditate,
Speaker 1: if they pay, the answer can come in a dream. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the answer can come in an aha during meditation. Writing
Speaker 1: is a good thing. Like I was instructed by the
Speaker 1: arcs to write in the morning because they would give
Speaker 1: me downloads in the night and they said they words
Speaker 1: be written in the air, you just have to type
Speaker 1: them or we I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. Not
Speaker 1: only that, but I would write one word sometime, type
Speaker 1: it and they would correct it and say, no, this word.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So we just the most powerful things we can do
Speaker 1: are dream, meditate, and prayer. Anytime you get into that
Speaker 1: liminal space fada, brain waves or deeper, there's certain sounds
Speaker 1: that can help people. They're different hurts. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: people have spoken to you about the hurts of healing,
Speaker 1: the hurts of liminality. Yeah, getting into those this you
Speaker 1: can buy those sounds on probably on Amazon and listening
Speaker 1: to that music while you meditate and breathe Breathing can
Speaker 1: also put you in an altered state. Deep breathing is
Speaker 1: very healing and it activates the vagus nerve, which helps
Speaker 1: your intuition. So breathing, meditating certain sounds, attention to your dreams. Prayer.
Speaker 1: We all can do this, can pray to whoever you want.
Speaker 1: I just pray to the Unus Mundus like the unified field.
Speaker 2: And you're praying for what, Susan, you're praying for, just
Speaker 2: manifestations of positivity and.
Speaker 1: Well for me, I pray for May I know peace,
Speaker 1: May all beings no peace, May all beings be free
Speaker 1: from fear, particularly now because there's so much terror in
Speaker 1: America that you know, it's just good to say, May
Speaker 1: all beings be free from fear, you know, may I
Speaker 1: be free from fear. May all being spree free for fear.
Speaker 1: May all beings no love? Yeah, I know love. Those
Speaker 1: all helped to put us in a transcendent space. You
Speaker 1: just have to be careful walking around, you know, you
Speaker 1: have to do these things in a safe, quiet space
Speaker 1: and then make sure you fully back in your physical
Speaker 1: body before you go out and try to cross the street.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think our ancestors and I feel that
Speaker 2: this is true, but I'm curious about your interests or
Speaker 2: your idea about this. You think our ancestors were tapping
Speaker 2: into the higher realms and bringing through evolutionary change in patterns.
Speaker 1: Week ancestors like, all right, you.
Speaker 2: Know the previous generations.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think some of them are probably like now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But in general, I don't know whether Raw said this
Speaker 1: or Manka said this. Monka was another my primary teacher,
Speaker 1: disincarnate being that each generation is kind of more full
Speaker 1: of light right now because the Earth is hopefully ascending
Speaker 1: fully to the fourth dimension, which is a non dualistic dimension,
Speaker 1: because the third dimension right and wrong, eye and low,
Speaker 1: rich and poor, old and young, all the dualalities cause
Speaker 1: a lot of pain in the third dimension. So as
Speaker 1: we move more into the fourth dimension, there will be
Speaker 1: more babies born who are more fourth dimensional, who can
Speaker 1: hold more light and are less dualistic, more loving. I
Speaker 1: think that might have I don't even know where I
Speaker 1: thought that Raw or Right.
Speaker 2: You mentioned when you were at Berkeley Second Institute that
Speaker 2: you had a I guess you could call it some
Speaker 2: form of possession that was released. Do you think there's
Speaker 2: dimensional beings that are demonic, that are kind of shifting
Speaker 2: things or trying to imprison people in a way that
Speaker 2: they are unaware.
Speaker 1: Of, that the people are unaware of. Yeah, yeah, in
Speaker 1: some cases, yeah, there are because all things are possible.
Speaker 1: So evil is real and goodness is real, and there
Speaker 1: are probably some people who are possessed. There are other
Speaker 1: people who have chosen the path of service only to self.
Speaker 1: Raw makes this very clear. Each of us chooses service
Speaker 1: to others or service to self. You can travel very
Speaker 1: far and become very powerful Genghis Khan to wit on
Speaker 1: the dark path service to self, where you advance on
Speaker 1: the dark path by harming others, by taking control of others,
Speaker 1: and the ultimate control to take of another is to
Speaker 1: kill them. Yeah, so you get very powerful. After the
Speaker 1: six dimension, there's no way forward beyond Everyone jumps onto
Speaker 1: the path of the path of light, the path of
Speaker 1: service to others. Now, nobody's probably one hundred percent service
Speaker 1: to others, but if you're more than fifty five percent
Speaker 1: service to others, you're on the path of service to others.
Speaker 1: And we all get selfish because the way we're designed,
Speaker 1: you know, we have this eternal self, we have this
Speaker 1: human self, So sometimes we're selfish. We take the biggest
Speaker 1: piece of cake. But sometimes we don't. Sometimes we give
Speaker 1: our last cigarette to the homeless guy, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, So I think there are people
Speaker 1: on earth who are on the path of service to self,
Speaker 1: and you can see them. You can see them in politics,
Speaker 1: you can see them in government. You know, you can
Speaker 1: see them the bib net and Yahoo's of the world,
Speaker 1: and you can see them. You know, we don't have
Speaker 1: to be mother Teresa, but we can just be, you know,
Speaker 1: trying trying to care about others. Those who care nothing
Speaker 1: about others, they're probably on the path of service, and
Speaker 1: that's okay. That's love. Also, this is a hard one.
Speaker 1: But when you're loving only yourself, it's still love. It's
Speaker 1: hard to accept. That's why we have to accept people
Speaker 1: where they are. Eventually everyone goes back to the path
Speaker 1: of service to all because ultimate reality, the one is
Speaker 1: we are all one being, one mind, divine mind. Young
Speaker 1: was a honest He said that he was a monist oneself.
Speaker 1: Many manifestations. We're each a manifestation of one self.
Speaker 2: This is the first I guess in a series of
Speaker 2: paranormal perspectives. Is what's up for the next book?
Speaker 1: The next book is also out. It's by a paranormal
Speaker 1: researcher or in colloquial terms, a ghost hunter. And it
Speaker 1: is called One Big Box of Paranormal Tricks. And if
Speaker 1: you're into that sort of thing. He's an English guy
Speaker 1: and he's his name is John Fraser. And uh. Also Gavin,
Speaker 1: who thought of the series, is writing a book on
Speaker 1: attachments schools. This is called Hauntings, Attachments and Gorules, and
Speaker 1: that is Gavin Davies.
Speaker 2: Okay, so these are all going to be published by six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all going to be part of this series
Speaker 1: six books. Yeah, yeah, by six books. Okay, the One
Speaker 1: Big Box of Paranormal Tricks is out, but the others
Speaker 1: are coming. Okay, so mine, the first two are out Mine,
Speaker 1: John Fraser's.
Speaker 2: And and who did just who did you write this
Speaker 2: book for? Who do you think is your audience? Uh?
Speaker 1: Anybody who's interested in developing their own paranormal abilities, or
Speaker 1: anybody that's had something that's scared them they saw a ghost, Ah,
Speaker 1: anybody who's interested in young Those would be the people.
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, real pleasure having you on the program. For
Speaker 2: those of you who want to know more about Susan,
Speaker 2: she can go to her website, which is Susan Plunket
Speaker 2: P l U n K E T dot com. Right,
Speaker 2: where are they going to find on your website?
Speaker 1: They're gonna find, Oh, I have a blog on there
Speaker 1: where I talk about some paranormal stuff. And they'll just
Speaker 1: see the books I've written. They'll see, uh, my theories
Speaker 1: as a psychologist, what I the way I work. So
Speaker 1: that's what they'll find.
Speaker 2: And the last thing I want to mention is before
Speaker 2: we started, you said that they're changing the title of
Speaker 2: your book. So we want people to be able to
Speaker 2: go to Amazon and right now the title is which
Speaker 2: is changing. It's called a Youngian Understanding of Transcendent Experiences,
Speaker 2: but it's changing, so perhaps look for the Paranormal perspectives. Yeah, title,
Speaker 2: that might be the way to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new title will be the Paranormal Experiences of
Speaker 1: a Youngian Psychologist. Sorry confusion, but they just found this out,
Speaker 1: which is good because the title was terrible. It was
Speaker 1: a terrible title. But hopefully the new title lets everyone
Speaker 1: know it's a list of paranormal experiences I.
Speaker 2: Had exactly, and it's fun because you're, you know, claiming
Speaker 2: a trained psychologist. Uh, and these are heavy influences on
Speaker 2: your life and I'm sure on your practice as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, nobody comes to me for a band aid.
Speaker 2: Hey, Susan, much success on this book. Thank you and
Speaker 2: a pleasure speaking with you.
Speaker 1: A pleasure speaking with you too.
Speaker 2: I meant to mention to you listeners that the book
Speaker 2: came out in October of last year, and it is
Speaker 2: they're changing the title. The title is Paranormal Perspectives, a
Speaker 2: Youngian Understanding of Transcendent Experiences. They're changing the title, so
Speaker 2: look for Paranormal Perspectives Susan Plunkett P l U N
Speaker 2: K E T. And it should still be there, but
Speaker 2: they are going to update the title. That's not a
Speaker 2: great title for that book. So that was interesting to have.
Speaker 2: That was fun to have her on the program. Hey,
Speaker 2: I want to mention we have officially launched the new
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Speaker 2: that's it for this program.
Speaker 1: I want to think.
Speaker 2: My guest today Susan Plunkett, coming to us from New York.
Speaker 2: As always, the team of Gaiel, tour Mark Foster and
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Speaker 2: you well and we will talk to you next time.