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Speaker 2: Okay, if you're just joining us, Ryan Schuling filling in,
Speaker 2: that's the least of our concerns at this moment. Dan
Speaker 2: Caplea should be with us for the next segment and
Speaker 2: the rest of the program. But there's been a lot
Speaker 2: happening in real time. Our first hour dedicated to the
Speaker 2: Venezuelan gathering that became borderline riot. Thousands of people know
Speaker 2: Aurora PD as per reports on the ground there that
Speaker 2: we're aware of. We're seeking information from Aurora PD and
Speaker 2: the PIO public Information officer there. We've received nothing. I've inquired,
Speaker 2: as has Kelly, with Mike Kaufman, the mayor of Aurora,
Speaker 2: to comment on what is going on. And now there
Speaker 2: is a further development in detail which is even more ominous.
Speaker 2: This from John Fabricatory. He will be joining us at
Speaker 2: five point thirty six pm. He is a former ice
Speaker 2: officer himself and he is running as the Republican candidate
Speaker 2: in the sixth Congressional district, which includes Aurora, and he
Speaker 2: states his follow on follows on x you can follow
Speaker 2: him there at John e Underscore fab with two b's
Speaker 2: at the end quote. I've received anonymous reports from local
Speaker 2: officers that multiple apartment complexes in Aurora are being overrun
Speaker 2: end quote taken over unquote by illegal immigrant gangs, including
Speaker 2: trend d r Agua, and this says Do Better Denver
Speaker 2: has video footage and has been sharing these addresses as well.
Speaker 2: Great work by do Better Denver. That from John Fabricatore
Speaker 2: A serious development here and we're looking for answers, especially
Speaker 2: of those of you who live in Aurora and will
Speaker 2: start there with Mike in Aurora joining us here on
Speaker 2: the dan Kaplis show Mike your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was traveling north Front a van about three
Speaker 3: in the afternoon on Saturday, and traffic was heavy. I
Speaker 3: was going into a target there at the shop, and
Speaker 3: the streets were getting jammed, and once I got in there,
Speaker 3: I could barely get out. I thought, well, I've gone
Speaker 3: to this much trouble. I'll just go in and do
Speaker 3: my shopping and get out quick. But the whole time, oh,
Speaker 3: I did think I was the first thing, you know,
Speaker 3: or in the police. And I'll tell you something even
Speaker 3: more ironic is over by the Jackson Hewitt tax office
Speaker 3: or has a really small sub division. You can barely
Speaker 3: see it there. It's in between shops. And but yeah,
Speaker 3: no police, and I don't think it. Also, you know,
Speaker 3: we don't have to go down Federal like I'm thinking
Speaker 3: to my own Denver police to handle that stuff better.
Speaker 2: So, Mike, real quick, I want to clarify this point.
Speaker 2: You saw kind of the happenings. What was going on?
Speaker 2: You said, Saturday? Right, yeah, okay, Saturday, this started okay,
Speaker 2: and you did not see a single Aurora PD vehicle
Speaker 2: lights on anything like that presence.
Speaker 4: There, No, no, none, none.
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: Did this also carry over into Sunday too.
Speaker 2: Or it appears that way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just early, or maybe I just munked
Speaker 3: out and got on and there's as quick as possible.
Speaker 2: Mike, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get so many people like that together, you
Speaker 3: know it's going to be trouble.
Speaker 2: Well that's the point, Mike, and I'm so glad that
Speaker 2: you called with that first hand account, is that this
Speaker 2: was entirely preventable. If there were no permits to gather,
Speaker 2: then there's no reason for people in that amount, let
Speaker 2: alone you know, thousands, but even a couple hundred to
Speaker 2: be there disrupting business, closing access down to streets and
Speaker 2: roads and pharmacies where people need to get their drugs.
Speaker 2: There's no excuse for this, and the fact this is
Speaker 2: what I'm honing in on, because we can only go
Speaker 2: on the information that I have at hand right now.
Speaker 2: There were individual police officers for Aurora PD reaching out
Speaker 2: by text to Danielle Jorinsky, who joined us earlier in
Speaker 2: the program. From the Aurora City Council. There are individual
Speaker 2: officers from Aurora PD now giving anonymous reports to John Fabricatory.
Speaker 2: There is discord within the ranks, So the rank and
Speaker 2: file Aurora PDE officers, I'm not necessarily holding them accountable.
Speaker 2: But where is Heather Morris right now? Where is the
Speaker 2: interim chief of Police for the City of Aurora. What
Speaker 2: is the disconnect between the leadership and our brave men
Speaker 2: and women who are on the streets in Aurora. Why
Speaker 2: were they not there? Were they told to stand down?
Speaker 2: Were they given a stand down order? There are a
Speaker 2: lot of questions that need to be answered here that
Speaker 2: are not being answered. Let's go to Mary in Denver. Mary,
Speaker 2: welcome to the dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 6: Hi there, thanks for hearing me for a minute. I
Speaker 6: used to live in Centennial. I live in South Denver.
Speaker 6: I drive over to the medical campus in the morning
Speaker 6: and I usually take Alameda to Havana to six.
Speaker 3: To get over there.
Speaker 6: And everything east of Lowry over to twenty five is honestly,
Speaker 6: you're risking your life driving. And every morning there are
Speaker 6: cars with no license plates every morning, and cars with
Speaker 6: pianels on them, driving with spear tires, no license plates,
Speaker 6: and people coking, smoking pot windows open. It's crazy every morning.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's.
Speaker 6: Going on over there, but it's really gone downhill and
Speaker 6: you're driving to twenty five home from work and you're
Speaker 6: you're just hoping you get home safely.
Speaker 7: So it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Mary, Thank you for that. And what you're describing this
Speaker 2: is lawlessness, This is chaos. It sounds what you just
Speaker 2: described sounds like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome Tina Turner singing
Speaker 2: the theme song guess what I'm playing next. But remember
Speaker 2: there was a group and I don't know that this
Speaker 2: was at all related that shut down two twenty five.
Speaker 2: You remember this, protesters that shut down one of the
Speaker 2: main arteries highways in Aurora in the surrounding metro Denver area.
Speaker 2: John Fabricatory just texted me the following. He said, quote,
Speaker 2: I started getting messages from officers the minute I got
Speaker 2: off your show. That would be my show here locally
Speaker 2: in Denver. And John joined me about two thirty three
Speaker 2: to two forty five pm in the Mountain time zone.
Speaker 2: So again we're getting more details along these lines. But
Speaker 2: if gangs like Trend de Aragua are taking over apartment
Speaker 2: buildings in Aurora, what is going on here? Let's go
Speaker 2: to Brian and Arvada on the incident. You can join
Speaker 2: us as well. Dan Kaplis will be rejoining the show
Speaker 2: in the next segment eight five five four zero five
Speaker 2: eight two five five Brian, welcome to the program.
Speaker 5: Hey, as long as you follow the leftist marks this way,
Speaker 5: you can do what you want.
Speaker 3: You know, you can be.
Speaker 5: Black wives Matter, burn down cities, you can be antife,
Speaker 5: no worries.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were the most organized group.
Speaker 5: They put rocks everywhere. But they you know, the FBI,
Speaker 5: they can't figure out who the leader of that was,
Speaker 5: so as long as you follow the program, you're good
Speaker 5: to go. But you know what I got to say,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a little uneducated on the Madero. So is
Speaker 5: he going to remain in power or I'm a little
Speaker 5: confused because I heard he's going to remain in power?
Speaker 5: He cheated?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how these usually go, Brian, and I got to
Speaker 2: wrap it up after this, and Kelly is needing to
Speaker 2: take these phone calls that are coming in. I'm going
Speaker 2: to put those on hold. So if you're calling in
Speaker 2: right now, Kelly get to you in a moment. Our
Speaker 2: phone lines are relatively so Brian, thank you for bringing
Speaker 2: that up. What I will say is in communist dictatorships,
Speaker 2: whether it's Yugoslavia or Romania you saw with Chalceescu, or
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union, even with Gorbachev, or Cuba which is
Speaker 2: still under communist rule, or Venezuelan, now there will need
Speaker 2: to be an uprising, a revolution, and how these usually
Speaker 2: turn is whether the military chooses the side of the
Speaker 2: revolutionaries who are protesting against Maduro or whether they serve
Speaker 2: as a strong arm for Maduro against the citizens who
Speaker 2: are uprising. And that's when it could get really ugly.
Speaker 2: For Maduro to be deposed, the members of the Venezuelan
Speaker 2: military will need to turn on him. But this is
Speaker 2: beside the issue what we're facing locally here at this point.
Speaker 2: Just to reset, as we go to break, John Fabricatory
Speaker 2: will be joining Dan Live at five point thirty six
Speaker 2: to provide the very latest on what's going on. It's
Speaker 2: pure chaos. It appears in Aurora. And to Brian's point,
Speaker 2: you can talk about leftist edicts whatever all you want.
Speaker 2: What concerns me most about Aurora is this is a
Speaker 2: city that was we thought turning the corner under a
Speaker 2: Republican mayor Mike Kaufman, who had won re election by
Speaker 2: a wide margin, a Republican controlled city council, and yet
Speaker 2: this is still happening in Aurora. So Dan will rejoin
Speaker 2: the program next we'll get his thoughts, and again John
Speaker 2: Fabricatory coming up. Bottom of the hour. Venezuelan gatherers turn
Speaker 2: into rally goers turn into it would appear to be riots,
Speaker 2: shots fired, et cetera. No report of injuries or debts
Speaker 2: at this point, but sheer chaos, pandemonium in Aurora. No
Speaker 2: explanation given from Aurora PD or their interim chief or
Speaker 2: for Mayor Kaufman himself for that matter. We have calls
Speaker 2: out to both of those entities more when we come back.
Speaker 2: The Dan Caplas Show continues after this, and now back
Speaker 2: to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 4: Is it thunderdil out in Aurora?
Speaker 1: If you were a witness to any of this, it's
Speaker 1: been discussed right now so well by Ryan. Please do
Speaker 1: give us a callage five to five for zero five
Speaker 1: eight two five to five the number text d An
Speaker 1: five seven seven three nine. Thank you to Ryan for
Speaker 1: starting the show today. I was off representing a client
Speaker 1: and so glad to be with you now. So if
Speaker 1: you just joined us, Ryan, why don't you fill folks
Speaker 1: in I've seen the Facebook pace post rather from or
Speaker 1: a city council member Danielle Jurinsky as she detailed and
Speaker 1: in part describes.
Speaker 4: She says, Aurora.
Speaker 1: Being taken over by Venezuelans last night, the intersection of
Speaker 1: Mississippi and Havana, in particular reports of assaults, theft, gunshots, etc.
Speaker 1: You had Danielle on earlier, as you mentioned John Frebrickatory,
Speaker 1: who is the GOP nominee in CD six against Jason
Speaker 1: Crow he's going to join us at five point thirty six.
Speaker 1: He has also posted on this, So, Ryan, if you
Speaker 1: would give folks a quick scene set and then we'll
Speaker 1: take calls from witnesses and talk about the broader issue.
Speaker 2: Based on what I've been told by Danielle Jorinsky, of course,
Speaker 2: a member of the Aura City Council, on her initial
Speaker 2: post is what alerted me to this story. But then
Speaker 2: we had callers from as well who've witnessed this dan
Speaker 2: dating back to Saturday, when these gatherings started, presumably to
Speaker 2: anticipate the results of the election in Venezuela, which we
Speaker 2: know is very contested and there's likely fraud there and
Speaker 2: corruption involved in Maduro staying in power. That being said,
Speaker 2: large groups of Venezuelan's were gathering in Aurora, shutting down
Speaker 2: businesses in city streets, firing off gunshots. No report of
Speaker 2: injuries or deaths. No statement from the Aurora PD or
Speaker 2: their interim police chief therein Heather Morris, no statement from
Speaker 2: Mayor Mike Kaufman on this, and in fact, I'd got
Speaker 2: a text right here from Danielle saying she believes that
Speaker 2: Kaufman doesn't want anyone to know there's actually a problem
Speaker 2: in Aurora with a shrug emoji, and that he's already
Speaker 2: mad at her Danielle, for bringing attention to this. This
Speaker 2: then precedes what John Fabricatory has been told on the ground.
Speaker 2: Several anonymous Aurora police officers have reached out both to
Speaker 2: Danielle directly via text over the last couple of days
Speaker 2: and today to John as soon as he got off
Speaker 2: of my program around two forty five PM, that there
Speaker 2: are in fact illegal immigrant gangs, including Trend de Aragua,
Speaker 2: that are taking over Aurora apartment complexes, overrunning them basically
Speaker 2: by force fear intimidation. This is like mafia mob type rule.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you'll hear more from John about that
Speaker 2: part of it coming up at the bottom of the hour. Fabricatory,
Speaker 2: of course a former ice officer himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as a Texter suggested, we can try to
Speaker 1: get George Brockler on this and see what George is hearing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: George is running for DA obviously in the new JD
Speaker 1: Judicial District out in Douglas County. It's separating off from Aura,
Speaker 1: but George certainly knows that area well. So if you're
Speaker 1: an eyewitness in particular, would love to hear from you, obviously,
Speaker 1: if thoughts beyond that and a text as DA N
Speaker 1: five seven seven three nine will start the old fashioned way,
Speaker 1: which I still love. I'm gonna throwback and the phones
Speaker 1: will go to Tony in Denver. You're on the dan Kaplas,
Speaker 1: sh'll welcome.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 7: So I've been working down in a Roora the last
Speaker 7: couple of weeks. I've got a job down there in
Speaker 7: construction and we're all up and down the two twenty
Speaker 7: five corridor area. I come from about an hour from there.
Speaker 7: I'm not down there too much, and I've been joking
Speaker 7: with friends lately of how.
Speaker 5: Bad it is he that way.
Speaker 4: What do you saying, Tony?
Speaker 7: You know the cars without license plates that was mentioned
Speaker 7: driving anywhere we have concrete barriers for roadwork. People just
Speaker 7: drive the wrong direction, they just go around them, drive
Speaker 7: the wrong direction. The amount of people drinking from bottles
Speaker 7: of vodka at bus stops at ten am, needles on
Speaker 7: the ground. I had one neighbor come to one of
Speaker 7: our multiple job areas and he warned me of a
Speaker 7: certain person in a car that drove by, and he goes,
Speaker 7: that guy's always armed and he's not allowed to be,
Speaker 7: he goes, so be careful around here as you guys
Speaker 7: are working. And I literally described it to friends as
Speaker 7: mad Max. I said, if you want to get away
Speaker 7: with something, come down here as a free for all.
Speaker 7: You go into a store to get a drink or
Speaker 7: a snack, you can't buy anything. Everything's locked up because
Speaker 7: there's so much theft.
Speaker 4: Is this in a particular part of town?
Speaker 3: Crazy this?
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm we basically along Mississippi, Havanah and Chambers.
Speaker 7: We have some multiple job sites in the area for
Speaker 7: some construction work, and so I'm kind of driving all
Speaker 7: between them, and the stuff you see is pretty mind boggling.
Speaker 7: It turned into a joke. I mean even today, I'm
Speaker 7: sitting in my car at the job site in a
Speaker 7: parking lot of a little shopping center in the area,
Speaker 7: and a car stops in front of me, and I
Speaker 7: took a video because it was so funny, and an
Speaker 7: older gentleman opens the door. She doesn't even pull into
Speaker 7: a parking spot, just stops in front of me in
Speaker 7: the lane, opens his door and starts.
Speaker 4: Teeing, Oh my god, you are kid me.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm not even and Tony, are you connecting this
Speaker 1: to the reports? Of what folks believed to be Venezuela
Speaker 1: and immigrants, et cetera.
Speaker 4: This just a broader problem.
Speaker 7: Just broader with the area that I've noticed that. You know,
Speaker 7: I've been down there a couple of weeks straight now
Speaker 7: working and I'm like, what is going on here?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 7: You know, I got into work today and here from
Speaker 7: the weekend. See, you know there's gun chops over the
Speaker 7: weekend and you've got to look out on the work site.
Speaker 7: What is going on? This?
Speaker 3: Crazy?
Speaker 4: Tony? Appreciate the call? Man? Holy cow, you hear that, Ryan?
Speaker 1: What Tony said about God just opens the door and
Speaker 1: starts urinating out the card. I mean, wow, my lord,
Speaker 1: Mike and Aurora, you're on the Dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 8: Welcome, Yeah, my dank my call. Sure and a month
Speaker 8: from more. I guess the screen car coming something from
Speaker 8: here or something anyway, No big deal.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Mike.
Speaker 1: My apologies. We're having trouble with your phone line. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have you get with Kelly for about twenty seconds
Speaker 1: see if that can be improved, because I would certainly
Speaker 1: love to hear from you on this.
Speaker 4: Let's go to txters as well. While they try to get.
Speaker 1: A clear signal there eight FI five for zero five
Speaker 1: A two five five text d A N five seven
Speaker 1: seven or nine.
Speaker 4: Dan and Ryan, I think our borders are.
Speaker 1: Should come to Aurora there, go and face these people
Speaker 1: and give them their welcome package and their key to
Speaker 1: the city, Dan, Ryan, Banduro's defense minister is backing Maduro.
Speaker 1: Maduro has made the generals very wealthy. They will not
Speaker 1: back up the Venezuelan people. Dan, I'm confused is this
Speaker 1: happening right now in Aurora, because there's no breaking news
Speaker 1: on any.
Speaker 4: Of our local stations.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting up to speed on this story myself
Speaker 1: because I've been off representing a client today. But I'm
Speaker 1: reading Danielle Charinsky Eurosity Council members post and she describes
Speaker 1: something happening last night where she talks about quote unquote
Speaker 1: taken over Aura, taken over by Venezuelans, Mississippi and Havana intersection,
Speaker 1: in particular reports of assault staff, shots in the air,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 4: But my understanding is that this was last night.
Speaker 1: Now Ryan has talked about and I think John Fabricatory
Speaker 1: may mention this when we talk at five thirty six
Speaker 1: about reports of the apartment complexes, some say being taken
Speaker 1: over by Venezuelan gangs. We don't have any independent verification
Speaker 1: of that, but that's that's as I understand it.
Speaker 4: The timing on all.
Speaker 1: Of this, Alexa suggests getting George Brockler on very good thought.
Speaker 1: Getting George on any topic is a good thought.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So we got that going on. We'll cover that, John
Speaker 1: Fabricatory next. I've got to tell you, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've been watching this, Ryan, but we're multitaskers here,
Speaker 1: but big screen in the studio, Kamala Harris a rally
Speaker 1: down in George.
Speaker 4: I can't tell how many people were there.
Speaker 1: Looks like they got like a thousand people in a
Speaker 1: high school Jim for last night maybe in Philly. But
Speaker 1: just looking at the crowd at that rally behind her,
Speaker 1: they just look so bored. It's just there is so
Speaker 1: much to talk about in that front as well, and
Speaker 1: we're going to touch on that also. But there is
Speaker 1: this situation in Aurora. I know it ties into larger
Speaker 1: issues as well, So we're going to keep kicking that
Speaker 1: around with you. Eight five five for zero five eight
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Speaker 4: You're on the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 2: You're listening to The Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 4: John Trebricatory kind enough to be with us.
Speaker 1: He's the Republican candidate for Congress and CD six running
Speaker 1: against Jason Crow. The reason John joins us now is
Speaker 1: this story that's been percolating up and Danielle Durinsky, city
Speaker 1: council member in Aurora posted on her Facebook about what
Speaker 1: she saw as Venezuelan's quote taking over Aura, particularly intersection
Speaker 1: of Mississippi and Tavana. Last night, reports, according to Danielle,
Speaker 1: of assault staffed, shots in the air, et cetera. And
Speaker 1: then that's led to other discussion of what's going going
Speaker 1: on in Aurora. So we're trying to gather all the facts.
Speaker 1: If you're an eyewitness, please call us eight five to
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Speaker 1: A N five seven seven through nine. John, Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5: Hey, Dan, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Sure, Hey, what do you know?
Speaker 7: Well, you know a lot of officers have been calling me.
Speaker 9: I spent a little over twenty years here in the
Speaker 9: Denver metro area and law enforcement working a lot on
Speaker 9: you know, fugitive teams and stuff and still have a
Speaker 9: lot of connections in the local law enforcement. And the
Speaker 9: officers are just angry. They're they're angry about what's going on.
Speaker 9: They're they're angry that this situation has been allowed to fester,
Speaker 9: and now it's gotten to a point where it's getting
Speaker 9: dangerous for these officers. The trendy Aragua gang has issued
Speaker 9: a green light to shoot officers in Colorado, and it's
Speaker 9: gotten to a point where where these officers can't go
Speaker 9: to certain apartment complexes because the gang has taken over.
Speaker 7: Those apartment complexes.
Speaker 9: They are making the cleaning staff pay them a protection,
Speaker 9: a bat racket. They are making the managers of those
Speaker 9: apartment complexes pay them money. They're strong arming certain people
Speaker 9: in the community. And this is what I'm hearing from
Speaker 9: these officers. I'm hearing that even the other night, they
Speaker 9: were told not to go into the crowd if they
Speaker 9: heard gunshots, to stand back and wait to see what happens.
Speaker 9: And you know, you know this, your father was a
Speaker 9: police officer. That's not the heart of an officer to
Speaker 9: stand there and watch things like that occur and be
Speaker 9: told to just stand down.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And at this point, and I know officers. It's tough
Speaker 1: within the structure. But what have officers been able to do,
Speaker 1: if anything, to try to deal with this situation they're
Speaker 1: reporting to you in these apartment complexes because obviously that
Speaker 1: that can't be allowed to happen anywhere, certainly can't be
Speaker 1: allowed to happen in America.
Speaker 4: No, not at all.
Speaker 9: And you know, part of the problem is DN this
Speaker 9: is this was back a few years now. I mean,
Speaker 9: this whole sanctuary situation precluded ICE from being able to
Speaker 9: work with local law enforcement. And it's just led to this.
Speaker 9: It's led to over the years to where we are now,
Speaker 9: where we have gangs taking over apartment complexes, strong arm
Speaker 9: in people in these apartment complexes, and and like you said,
Speaker 9: this is not America.
Speaker 7: We don't we don't put up with this.
Speaker 9: And how has it gotten to this situation? And really
Speaker 9: looks sanctuary status, the sanctuary cities. You know this, there's
Speaker 9: this whole notion that you know, ICE is the cause
Speaker 9: of the problem and it's not actually the Evegal aliens
Speaker 9: that are here committing crimes that is the problem.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 9: You know, it's just gotten to a point where if
Speaker 9: we don't stop this soon, a lot of bad things
Speaker 9: are going to happen.
Speaker 1: And John, I've always known Mike Kaufin obviously Mary v
Speaker 1: are always known Mike Kaufman to be a guy very
Speaker 1: opposed to sanctuary city, very much a law and order
Speaker 1: guys as you know as well, distinguished military career. Hard
Speaker 1: for me to imagine Mike Kaufman putting up with that.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get Mike on air. Have you had
Speaker 1: a chance to talk with them about it? Do you
Speaker 1: know where he's at on this?
Speaker 9: You know, I haven't actually talked to Mike about it recently,
Speaker 9: you know, I know, you know, he like like you said,
Speaker 9: you know, he's been against sanctuary and you know he's
Speaker 9: he's talked about it in the past. But I think
Speaker 9: a lot may even be hidden from him, you know,
Speaker 9: from the upper brass at Aurora PD, because you know,
Speaker 9: they don't want this getting out if they're on their
Speaker 9: fifth police chief and five years and and you know
Speaker 9: that the whole you know, upper management there. You know,
Speaker 9: I don't know what's going on there, but but obviously
Speaker 9: the officers are being affected. Something needs to be done
Speaker 9: with with, you know, with or for Aurora PD to
Speaker 9: get them the help that they need. To clear this
Speaker 9: situation out. But if we don't do something soon, it's
Speaker 9: you know, we're gonna have.
Speaker 7: Been a lot of trouble.
Speaker 4: John.
Speaker 1: Let me read to you something that just came into us.
Speaker 1: This is issued by the Aurora Police Department. Get your
Speaker 1: reaction to it. Says it's labeled fact check. Missing information
Speaker 1: has spread on social media regarding the large gathering on
Speaker 1: Sunday at gardens On Shopping Center. We recognize that Sunday's
Speaker 1: incident was disconcerting and alarming for a large number of
Speaker 1: our residents and citizens. The purpose of this message is
Speaker 1: to provide the community with accurate information based on what
Speaker 1: we know right now. Bullet point and estimated three thousand
Speaker 1: to four thousand people gathered Sunday at the gardens On
Speaker 1: Havana Shopping Center to await the Venezuelan presidential election results.
Speaker 4: We'll come back to that second bullet point.
Speaker 1: APD learned about the gathering before five pm, when there
Speaker 1: was a report of suspicious activity at the center. APD
Speaker 1: subsequently investigated a report of an assault on a store
Speaker 1: employee during a shoplifting incident. APD established a command post
Speaker 1: to monitor the gathering. There were incidents of shots being
Speaker 1: fired into the air during the gathering. APD did not
Speaker 1: receive any reports of anyone being injured by gunfire. The
Speaker 1: large crowd made it difficult for customers to enter and
Speaker 1: leave the shopping area and roadways in the immediate area
Speaker 1: where impassable trash and debris were left behind by those
Speaker 1: who attended the event. APD did not make any rest
Speaker 1: nor did officers issue any ticket, citations or summons. There
Speaker 1: is no evidence to date that the gathering was organized
Speaker 1: by a criminal organization or that any gang activity occurred
Speaker 1: relating to the gathering. While there are claims that some
Speaker 1: attendees at the gathering rioted, causing damage to businesses, passing
Speaker 1: vehicles and causing harms harmed to passerbys in the area,
Speaker 1: APD has received no such reports to date and a
Speaker 1: where a patrol unit was hit by an unknown object
Speaker 1: while driving in the area, and it is unclear at
Speaker 1: this time if it was related to the gathering. The
Speaker 1: object caused minor damage and APD is still investigating the incident.
Speaker 1: APD is continuing to investigate the overall incident and we
Speaker 1: will continue to keep the community informed if there are
Speaker 1: significant updates.
Speaker 4: So John, your reaction to that.
Speaker 9: So you know, Danielle posted about this.
Speaker 7: I also posted about it.
Speaker 9: I don't think either of us mentioned that this was
Speaker 9: stage by any gang. I think we were concerned with
Speaker 9: the size of the crowd gathering number one without a permit.
Speaker 9: Everyone else normally for a size that big would need
Speaker 9: to pull a permit. Make sure they have safety there,
Speaker 9: and make sure there are ambulances, you know, all the
Speaker 9: things that you need to have a large gathering. I
Speaker 9: think you know, both of us were concerned with the
Speaker 9: surrounding small businesses that were affected the gun fire. I mean,
Speaker 9: we're Repedia even admits that they know guns were being
Speaker 9: fired into the air, and when have you known?
Speaker 4: Dan can't do that.
Speaker 8: That's just.
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you everybody listening is thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1: If fill in the blank. If a pro life group,
Speaker 1: this group, that group whatever, gathered in a parking lot
Speaker 1: three thousand people strong and we're shooting guns into the air,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: We're behind bars. You just can't do that.
Speaker 1: We cannot and I'm not faulting any or a police officer,
Speaker 1: not nor but we cannot as a society tolerate this.
Speaker 4: No matter who it is.
Speaker 1: You cannot get to get they're unpermitted. Three thousand to
Speaker 1: four thousand people start firing guns in the air, shut
Speaker 1: down a shopping center for you know, law abiding citizens
Speaker 1: who are just trying to get in and out of
Speaker 1: a parking lot.
Speaker 4: That is not America. I don't care who it is,
Speaker 4: doesn't matter what race, color, creed, politics. You can't do that.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, Dan, Absolutely, and look, I'm not even blaming Aurora management.
Speaker 9: They were caught off guard. But the situation has gotten
Speaker 9: so bad because of what we're dealing with that we
Speaker 9: need to look the federal government, the local pds, they
Speaker 9: need to come together and they need to make a
Speaker 9: difference about this. You know, we have our local representatives,
Speaker 9: some of who have said nothing about this, such as
Speaker 9: Jason Crow, who is not talking about this at all.
Speaker 9: You know, we need to we need to do something now.
Speaker 9: This is not I've lived in Aurora since nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 9: This is not the Aurora I raised my children in.
Speaker 9: This is not the Aurora I want, you know, to
Speaker 9: be in the future. And again, we need to decide
Speaker 9: that we want to take our streets back and we're
Speaker 9: not going to have this kind of violence and we're
Speaker 9: not going to have this kind of illegal activity occurrent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, amen to that. John. What's your website?
Speaker 9: It's John sab for Congress dot Com. That's John Fabb,
Speaker 9: the number four Congress dot Com.
Speaker 4: Hey, John, appreciate the time. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1: And when we come back, I want to hear from you.
Speaker 1: What do you think should have been done in that circumstance. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not critical of Aurora PD, but we can have
Speaker 1: people just firing off guns in our streets with unsanctioned
Speaker 1: gatherings of three to four thousand shutting down in many ways,
Speaker 1: you know, commerce in the area.
Speaker 4: What should have been done?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 4: What should be done? Next time you're on the Dan
Speaker 4: Kapla Show.
Speaker 2: And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 4: The kind of pop up.
Speaker 1: Story today comes out of Aurora and the thirty second
Speaker 1: Summer is. It starts with Danielle Churinsky posting about it,
Speaker 1: then John fabricatory, and then John just joined us.
Speaker 4: Danielle earlier with Ryan.
Speaker 1: But credit to Aura Police, which has at this point
Speaker 1: confirmed and in my view, the essential details of this
Speaker 1: which boils down to Sunday and it appears without a
Speaker 1: permit that's not addressed in the APD statement, but if
Speaker 1: a permit was issued that that person needs to find
Speaker 1: another line of work because the permit would have been
Speaker 1: for a shopping center parking lot on a Sunday afternoon
Speaker 1: for three to four thousand people, which according to APD,
Speaker 1: which again I appreciate the good information of their bulletin.
Speaker 1: You know, it made it difficult for people to get
Speaker 1: in and out of the parking lot. But anyway, or
Speaker 1: a police acknowledging three to four thousand people gathered at
Speaker 1: the shopping center to wait the Venezuelan presidential election results,
Speaker 1: and that there were shots fired into the air, no
Speaker 1: arrests made, trash debris left behind, etc. Mike Kauffman's a
Speaker 1: stand up guy, always has been.
Speaker 4: It's who he is.
Speaker 1: He is going to come on this show, guys, I
Speaker 1: will bet youmahawk Mike Kaufman comes on the show tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I can't afford that.
Speaker 1: And now we're going to have this conversation because Mike
Speaker 1: is a law or a guy. He's served in the
Speaker 1: military and very very dangerous combat areas. There is no
Speaker 1: way in the world Mike Kaufman is going to tolerate
Speaker 1: or justify this or allow this to become the precedent
Speaker 1: in Aurora.
Speaker 4: It cannot be.
Speaker 1: I don't care who they're It could all be you know,
Speaker 1: white people from a country club somewhere. They could all
Speaker 1: be whatever, doesn't matter. You can't do this in America.
Speaker 1: We can't have this kind of behavior in America. And
Speaker 1: Mike Kaufman is not going to let that be the
Speaker 1: new normal. We cannot let this be the new normal.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm sure we can get Mike on tomorrow.
Speaker 1: If you happen to be involved in that or a
Speaker 1: witness to it, please give us a call. But the
Speaker 1: other thing is, and I'm sure Mike would agree with this,
Speaker 1: and again I'm not being critical.
Speaker 4: Of Aurora police.
Speaker 1: If you're confronted with a sudden situation like that, there
Speaker 1: are all sorts of balancing you have to do about
Speaker 1: how to deal with it. But one thing is for sure,
Speaker 1: it can never happen again. So one of the things
Speaker 1: I want to talk to Mike about is is, Okay,
Speaker 1: what kind of intelligence work is being employed, you know,
Speaker 1: to make sure that.
Speaker 4: Next time the city doesn't get surprised by this.
Speaker 1: I mean, how can you get surprised by three to
Speaker 1: four thousand people gathering. There must have been communications about this,
Speaker 1: right Ryan, there must have been communications about, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: going to get together and take over this part of
Speaker 1: Aurora on Sunday afternoon while we await the election results
Speaker 1: and everybody meet here.
Speaker 4: I mean, it could not have been spontaneous.
Speaker 2: I don't understand the downplaying of this entire incident by
Speaker 2: Aurora PD. It is laughable. In fact, John fabricatory texts
Speaker 2: me Dan quote. Their fact check is ridiculous unquote. What
Speaker 2: I want to know is what is the breaking point?
Speaker 2: This is a question you would probably ask as a lawyer, Dan,
Speaker 2: So how big would the crowd have to have gotten
Speaker 2: for there to have been any action taken with regardless
Speaker 2: shutting it down?
Speaker 1: And these are questions that obviously have to be answered, right,
Speaker 1: They have to be answered, And the message has to
Speaker 1: be sent loud and clear to everybody, but particularly to
Speaker 1: the folks who who did this on Sunday, that this
Speaker 1: cannot happen. The law is going to be enforced. People
Speaker 1: are going to be sighted, people are going to be arrested,
Speaker 1: and if people shoot guns into the air, hey you're
Speaker 1: going to find out what a felony is.
Speaker 4: You can't do that.
Speaker 1: But listen, I do credit aorror for this, I mean,
Speaker 1: the way it started. Misinformation has spread on social media.
Speaker 1: I'd want to talk to you ever wrote this about that.
Speaker 1: But they do acknowledge, and I appreciate that that it
Speaker 1: was three to four thousand people, that there were.
Speaker 4: Shots fired into the air.
Speaker 1: That there were people who couldn't get in and out
Speaker 1: of the shopping center because of this. So at least
Speaker 1: those core facts were confirmed and enough facts to know, right.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine is there going to be anybody out
Speaker 1: there other than the people involved in this, you know,
Speaker 1: who gathered there and fired shots into the air. Is
Speaker 1: there anybody out there who's going to say this is
Speaker 1: acceptable and that we can live with?
Speaker 9: This?
Speaker 4: Says the new normal?
Speaker 2: And according to a Texter here, they did see a
Speaker 2: story about this on KDIVR would be local Fox thirty
Speaker 2: one here in Denver. But other than that, and other
Speaker 2: than us here covering it kind of in real time, Dan,
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's been covered anywhere else. And
Speaker 2: that begs the question as to why that's the case.
Speaker 1: No, great, great question, And yeah, I mean we know,
Speaker 1: first of all, does this trace back to Denver? I
Speaker 1: think my Kaufman Aerrosity Council have been very very responsible
Speaker 1: in the way they they've addressed homelessness and Aurora, the
Speaker 1: way they've tried to deal, you know, with the whole
Speaker 1: open borders effect, et cetera. You know, are these and
Speaker 1: I'm putting this in the form of a question, are
Speaker 1: these largely folks who you know Denver shipped off to Aura?
Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that question. Are all
Speaker 4: sorts of questions that need to be answered well, and a.
Speaker 2: Quick kind of nip in the bud moment here because
Speaker 2: this Texter and I'm not picking on the text, but says,
Speaker 2: any idea, how many of these people are actually gang members?
Speaker 2: Do you have a number out of the five thousand?
Speaker 2: Which is a clever turn that there. Roal PD tried
Speaker 2: to take as well, to discount the whole story by well,
Speaker 2: they weren't gang members. That's irrelevant, that's beside the point.
Speaker 4: But then again, the question would be, okay, where does
Speaker 4: that information come from?
Speaker 2: I mean, they just set that aside though if they
Speaker 2: were not gang members, this behavior is not.
Speaker 4: Acceptable, That's right. That's the starting point.
Speaker 1: To the extent the question is because John was on
Speaker 1: about separate reports of gang members, you know, taking over
Speaker 1: certain apartment complexes or requiring protection money to be paid,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And so is that have those facts been confirmed?
Speaker 1: We need to hear that from Mike Kaufman, et cetera.
Speaker 1: What's being done to investigate those reports. But this I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, and I don't mean to sound naive, but
Speaker 1: you know, I've been around here for a few minutes,
Speaker 1: and I've been doing the show almost thirty years, and
Speaker 1: Mike Kaufman has never ducked us.
Speaker 4: He's come on all the time over the years.
Speaker 1: And you just know, if there's one person, and there's
Speaker 1: more than one, if there's one person in Colorado public
Speaker 1: life who.
Speaker 4: Is not going to tolerate this, it's Mike Kaufman.
Speaker 2: He has a track record to back.
Speaker 1: Then yes, so and then so I fully expect he'll
Speaker 1: be on the show tomorrow and we'll get answers to
Speaker 1: a lot of these questions. But but and then we
Speaker 1: want to talk about the how. I'm sure Mike's going
Speaker 1: to say it's not going to be tolerated, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But okay, how's it going to be stopped? Because guess what,
Speaker 1: you and Mike knows this to be true. You know,
Speaker 1: you approve what you tolerate, You condone what you tolerate,
Speaker 1: you encourage what you tolerate. So the fact that this
Speaker 1: was this occurred, no arrest, gunshots into the air. You've
Speaker 1: got an awful lot of people now who think they
Speaker 1: can come back and do it again. We look forward
Speaker 1: to Devin, Mike Kaufman with us tomorrow. We expect, Thank you, Ryan,
Speaker 1: thank you, Kelly join us tomorrow.