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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan capless and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you're just joining us, Ryan Schuling filling in,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the least of our concerns at this moment. Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Caplea should be with us for the next segment and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the program. But there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>happening in real time. Our first hour dedicated to the

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<v Speaker 2>Venezuelan gathering that became borderline riot. Thousands of people know

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<v Speaker 2>Aurora PD as per reports on the ground there that

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<v Speaker 2>we're aware of. We're seeking information from Aurora PD and

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<v Speaker 2>the PIO public Information officer there. We've received nothing. I've inquired,

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<v Speaker 2>as has Kelly, with Mike Kaufman, the mayor of Aurora,

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<v Speaker 2>to comment on what is going on. And now there

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<v Speaker 2>is a further development in detail which is even more ominous.

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<v Speaker 2>This from John Fabricatory. He will be joining us at

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<v Speaker 2>five point thirty six pm. He is a former ice

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<v Speaker 2>officer himself and he is running as the Republican candidate

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<v Speaker 2>in the sixth Congressional district, which includes Aurora, and he

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<v Speaker 2>states his follow on follows on x you can follow

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<v Speaker 2>him there at John e Underscore fab with two b's

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<v Speaker 2>at the end quote. I've received anonymous reports from local

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<v Speaker 2>officers that multiple apartment complexes in Aurora are being overrun

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<v Speaker 2>end quote taken over unquote by illegal immigrant gangs, including

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<v Speaker 2>trend d r Agua, and this says Do Better Denver

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<v Speaker 2>has video footage and has been sharing these addresses as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Great work by do Better Denver. That from John Fabricatore

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<v Speaker 2>A serious development here and we're looking for answers, especially

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<v Speaker 2>of those of you who live in Aurora and will

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<v Speaker 2>start there with Mike in Aurora joining us here on

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<v Speaker 2>the dan Kaplis show Mike your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was traveling north Front a van about three

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<v Speaker 3>in the afternoon on Saturday, and traffic was heavy. I

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<v Speaker 3>was going into a target there at the shop, and

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<v Speaker 3>the streets were getting jammed, and once I got in there,

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<v Speaker 3>I could barely get out. I thought, well, I've gone

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<v Speaker 3>to this much trouble. I'll just go in and do

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<v Speaker 3>my shopping and get out quick. But the whole time, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I did think I was the first thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>or in the police. And I'll tell you something even

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<v Speaker 3>more ironic is over by the Jackson Hewitt tax office

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<v Speaker 3>or has a really small sub division. You can barely

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<v Speaker 3>see it there. It's in between shops. And but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>no police, and I don't think it. Also, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have to go down Federal like I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>to my own Denver police to handle that stuff better.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Mike, real quick, I want to clarify this point.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw kind of the happenings. What was going on?

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<v Speaker 2>You said, Saturday? Right, yeah, okay, Saturday, this started okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and you did not see a single Aurora PD vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>lights on anything like that presence.

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<v Speaker 4>There, No, no, none, none.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Did this also carry over into Sunday too.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it appears that way?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think just early, or maybe I just munked

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<v Speaker 3>out and got on and there's as quick as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you get so many people like that together, you

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<v Speaker 3>know it's going to be trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the point, Mike, and I'm so glad that

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<v Speaker 2>you called with that first hand account, is that this

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<v Speaker 2>was entirely preventable. If there were no permits to gather,

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<v Speaker 2>then there's no reason for people in that amount, let

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<v Speaker 2>alone you know, thousands, but even a couple hundred to

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<v Speaker 2>be there disrupting business, closing access down to streets and

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<v Speaker 2>roads and pharmacies where people need to get their drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no excuse for this, and the fact this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm honing in on, because we can only go

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<v Speaker 2>on the information that I have at hand right now.

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<v Speaker 2>There were individual police officers for Aurora PD reaching out

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<v Speaker 2>by text to Danielle Jorinsky, who joined us earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>the program. From the Aurora City Council. There are individual

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<v Speaker 2>officers from Aurora PD now giving anonymous reports to John Fabricatory.

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<v Speaker 2>There is discord within the ranks, So the rank and

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<v Speaker 2>file Aurora PDE officers, I'm not necessarily holding them accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>But where is Heather Morris right now? Where is the

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<v Speaker 2>interim chief of Police for the City of Aurora. What

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<v Speaker 2>is the disconnect between the leadership and our brave men

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<v Speaker 2>and women who are on the streets in Aurora. Why

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<v Speaker 2>were they not there? Were they told to stand down?

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<v Speaker 2>Were they given a stand down order? There are a

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<v Speaker 2>are not being answered. Let's go to Mary in Denver. Mary,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the dan Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi there, thanks for hearing me for a minute. I

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<v Speaker 6>used to live in Centennial. I live in South Denver.

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<v Speaker 6>I drive over to the medical campus in the morning

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<v Speaker 6>and I usually take Alameda to Havana to six.

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<v Speaker 3>To get over there.

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<v Speaker 6>And everything east of Lowry over to twenty five is honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>you're risking your life driving. And every morning there are

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<v Speaker 6>cars with no license plates every morning, and cars with

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<v Speaker 6>pianels on them, driving with spear tires, no license plates,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's.

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<v Speaker 6>Going on over there, but it's really gone downhill and

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<v Speaker 6>you're driving to twenty five home from work and you're

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<v Speaker 6>you're just hoping you get home safely.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Mary, Thank you for that. And what you're describing this

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<v Speaker 2>is lawlessness, This is chaos. It sounds what you just

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<v Speaker 2>described sounds like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome Tina Turner singing

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<v Speaker 2>the theme song guess what I'm playing next. But remember

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<v Speaker 2>there was a group and I don't know that this

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<v Speaker 2>was at all related that shut down two twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember this, protesters that shut down one of the

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<v Speaker 2>main arteries highways in Aurora in the surrounding metro Denver area.

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<v Speaker 2>John Fabricatory just texted me the following. He said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I started getting messages from officers the minute I got

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<v Speaker 2>off your show. That would be my show here locally

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<v Speaker 2>in Denver. And John joined me about two thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>to two forty five pm in the Mountain time zone.

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<v Speaker 2>So again we're getting more details along these lines. But

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<v Speaker 2>if gangs like Trend de Aragua are taking over apartment

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<v Speaker 2>buildings in Aurora, what is going on here? Let's go

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<v Speaker 2>to Brian and Arvada on the incident. You can join

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<v Speaker 2>us as well. Dan Kaplis will be rejoining the show

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<v Speaker 2>in the next segment eight five five four zero five

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<v Speaker 2>eight two five five Brian, welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, as long as you follow the leftist marks this way,

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<v Speaker 5>you can do what you want.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you can be.

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<v Speaker 5>Black wives Matter, burn down cities, you can be antife,

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<v Speaker 5>no worries.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they were the most organized group.

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<v Speaker 5>They put rocks everywhere. But they you know, the FBI,

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<v Speaker 5>they can't figure out who the leader of that was,

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<v Speaker 5>so as long as you follow the program, you're good

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<v Speaker 5>to go. But you know what I got to say,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm I'm a little uneducated on the Madero. So is

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<v Speaker 5>he going to remain in power or I'm a little

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<v Speaker 5>confused because I heard he's going to remain in power?

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<v Speaker 5>He cheated?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how these usually go, Brian, and I got to

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<v Speaker 2>wrap it up after this, and Kelly is needing to

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<v Speaker 2>take these phone calls that are coming in. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to put those on hold. So if you're calling in

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<v Speaker 2>right now, Kelly get to you in a moment. Our

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<v Speaker 2>phone lines are relatively so Brian, thank you for bringing

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<v Speaker 2>that up. What I will say is in communist dictatorships,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's Yugoslavia or Romania you saw with Chalceescu, or

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union, even with Gorbachev, or Cuba which is

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<v Speaker 2>still under communist rule, or Venezuelan, now there will need

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<v Speaker 2>to be an uprising, a revolution, and how these usually

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<v Speaker 2>turn is whether the military chooses the side of the

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<v Speaker 2>revolutionaries who are protesting against Maduro or whether they serve

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<v Speaker 2>as a strong arm for Maduro against the citizens who

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<v Speaker 2>are uprising. And that's when it could get really ugly.

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<v Speaker 2>For Maduro to be deposed, the members of the Venezuelan

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<v Speaker 2>military will need to turn on him. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>beside the issue what we're facing locally here at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to reset, as we go to break, John Fabricatory

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<v Speaker 2>will be joining Dan Live at five point thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>to provide the very latest on what's going on. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pure chaos. It appears in Aurora. And to Brian's point,

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<v Speaker 2>you can talk about leftist edicts whatever all you want.

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<v Speaker 2>What concerns me most about Aurora is this is a

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<v Speaker 2>city that was we thought turning the corner under a

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<v Speaker 2>Republican mayor Mike Kaufman, who had won re election by

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<v Speaker 2>a wide margin, a Republican controlled city council, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>this is still happening in Aurora. So Dan will rejoin

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<v Speaker 2>the program next we'll get his thoughts, and again John

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<v Speaker 2>Fabricatory coming up. Bottom of the hour. Venezuelan gatherers turn

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<v Speaker 2>into rally goers turn into it would appear to be riots,

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<v Speaker 2>shots fired, et cetera. No report of injuries or debts

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, but sheer chaos, pandemonium in Aurora. No

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<v Speaker 2>explanation given from Aurora PD or their interim chief or

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<v Speaker 2>for Mayor Kaufman himself for that matter. We have calls

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<v Speaker 2>out to both of those entities more when we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>The Dan Caplas Show continues after this, and now back

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<v Speaker 2>to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it thunderdil out in Aurora?

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<v Speaker 1>If you were a witness to any of this, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been discussed right now so well by Ryan. Please do

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<v Speaker 1>give us a callage five to five for zero five

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<v Speaker 1>eight two five to five the number text d An

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<v Speaker 1>five seven seven three nine. Thank you to Ryan for

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<v Speaker 1>starting the show today. I was off representing a client

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<v Speaker 1>and so glad to be with you now. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you just joined us, Ryan, why don't you fill folks

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<v Speaker 1>in I've seen the Facebook pace post rather from or

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<v Speaker 1>a city council member Danielle Jurinsky as she detailed and

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<v Speaker 1>in part describes.

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<v Speaker 4>She says, Aurora.

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<v Speaker 1>Being taken over by Venezuelans last night, the intersection of

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi and Havana, in particular reports of assaults, theft, gunshots, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>You had Danielle on earlier, as you mentioned John Frebrickatory,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the GOP nominee in CD six against Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Crow he's going to join us at five point thirty six.

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<v Speaker 1>He has also posted on this, So, Ryan, if you

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<v Speaker 1>would give folks a quick scene set and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>take calls from witnesses and talk about the broader issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on what I've been told by Danielle Jorinsky, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>a member of the Aura City Council, on her initial

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<v Speaker 2>post is what alerted me to this story. But then

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<v Speaker 2>we had callers from as well who've witnessed this dan

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<v Speaker 2>dating back to Saturday, when these gatherings started, presumably to

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<v Speaker 2>anticipate the results of the election in Venezuela, which we

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<v Speaker 2>know is very contested and there's likely fraud there and

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<v Speaker 2>corruption involved in Maduro staying in power. That being said,

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<v Speaker 2>large groups of Venezuelan's were gathering in Aurora, shutting down

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<v Speaker 2>businesses in city streets, firing off gunshots. No report of

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<v Speaker 2>injuries or deaths. No statement from the Aurora PD or

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<v Speaker 2>a text right here from Danielle saying she believes that

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<v Speaker 2>Kaufman doesn't want anyone to know there's actually a problem

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<v Speaker 2>mad at her Danielle, for bringing attention to this. This

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<v Speaker 2>then precedes what John Fabricatory has been told on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Several anonymous Aurora police officers have reached out both to

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<v Speaker 2>of my program around two forty five PM, that there

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<v Speaker 2>are in fact illegal immigrant gangs, including Trend de Aragua,

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<v Speaker 2>by force fear intimidation. This is like mafia mob type rule.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure you'll hear more from John about that

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<v Speaker 2>part of it coming up at the bottom of the hour. Fabricatory,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And as a Texter suggested, we can try to

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>George is running for DA obviously in the new JD

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<v Speaker 3>Hey.

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<v Speaker 7>So I've been working down in a Roora the last

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not down there too much, and I've been joking

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<v Speaker 5>Bad it is he that way.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you saying, Tony?

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<v Speaker 7>You know the cars without license plates that was mentioned

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<v Speaker 7>driving anywhere we have concrete barriers for roadwork. People just

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<v Speaker 7>drive the wrong direction, they just go around them, drive

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<v Speaker 7>the wrong direction. The amount of people drinking from bottles

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<v Speaker 7>our multiple job areas and he warned me of a

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<v Speaker 7>that guy's always armed and he's not allowed to be,

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<v Speaker 7>are working. And I literally described it to friends as

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<v Speaker 7>You go into a store to get a drink or

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<v Speaker 7>a snack, you can't buy anything. Everything's locked up because

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<v Speaker 7>there's so much theft.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this in a particular part of town?

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy this?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I'm we basically along Mississippi, Havanah and Chambers.

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<v Speaker 7>between them, and the stuff you see is pretty mind boggling.

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<v Speaker 7>It turned into a joke. I mean even today, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>Teeing, Oh my god, you are kid me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm not even and Tony, are you connecting this

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<v Speaker 1>to the reports? Of what folks believed to be Venezuela

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<v Speaker 7>Just broader with the area that I've noticed that. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>I've been down there a couple of weeks straight now

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<v Speaker 6>Then?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I got into work today and here from

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<v Speaker 7>What is going on? This?

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy?

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<v Speaker 4>Tony? Appreciate the call? Man? Holy cow, you hear that, Ryan?

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<v Speaker 1>What Tony said about God just opens the door and

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<v Speaker 1>starts urinating out the card. I mean, wow, my lord,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike and Aurora, you're on the Dan Kaplis show.

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<v Speaker 8>Welcome, Yeah, my dank my call. Sure and a month

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<v Speaker 8>from more. I guess the screen car coming something from

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>My apologies. We're having trouble with your phone line. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have you get with Kelly for about twenty seconds

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<v Speaker 1>see if that can be improved, because I would certainly

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<v Speaker 1>love to hear from you on this.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go to txters as well. While they try to get.

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<v Speaker 1>A clear signal there eight FI five for zero five

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<v Speaker 4>Dan and Ryan, I think our borders are.

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<v Speaker 1>Should come to Aurora there, go and face these people

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<v Speaker 1>and give them their welcome package and their key to

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<v Speaker 1>the city, Dan, Ryan, Banduro's defense minister is backing Maduro.

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<v Speaker 1>Maduro has made the generals very wealthy. They will not

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<v Speaker 1>back up the Venezuelan people. Dan, I'm confused is this

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now in Aurora, because there's no breaking news

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<v Speaker 4>Of our local stations.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just getting up to speed on this story myself

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<v Speaker 1>because I've been off representing a client today. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading Danielle Charinsky Eurosity Council members post and she describes

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<v Speaker 1>something happening last night where she talks about quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>taken over Aura, taken over by Venezuelans, Mississippi and Havana intersection,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular reports of assault staff, shots in the air,

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<v Speaker 4>But my understanding is that this was last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Ryan has talked about and I think John Fabricatory

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<v Speaker 1>about reports of the apartment complexes, some say being taken

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<v Speaker 1>over by Venezuelan gangs. We don't have any independent verification

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<v Speaker 1>of that, but that's that's as I understand it.

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<v Speaker 4>The timing on all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this, Alexa suggests getting George Brockler on very good thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting George on any topic is a good thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got that going on. We'll cover that, John

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<v Speaker 1>Fabricatory next. I've got to tell you, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you've been watching this, Ryan, but we're multitaskers here,

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<v Speaker 1>but big screen in the studio, Kamala Harris a rally

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<v Speaker 1>down in George.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't tell how many people were there.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks like they got like a thousand people in a

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<v Speaker 1>high school Jim for last night maybe in Philly. But

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<v Speaker 1>just looking at the crowd at that rally behind her,

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<v Speaker 1>they just look so bored. It's just there is so

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<v Speaker 1>much to talk about in that front as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to touch on that also. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>this situation in Aurora. I know it ties into larger

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<v Speaker 1>issues as well, So we're going to keep kicking that

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<v Speaker 1>around with you. Eight five five for zero five eight

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to The Dan Kaplass Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>John Trebricatory kind enough to be with us.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the Republican candidate for Congress and CD six running

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<v Speaker 1>against Jason Crow. The reason John joins us now is

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<v Speaker 1>she saw as Venezuelan's quote taking over Aura, particularly intersection

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<v Speaker 1>of Mississippi and Tavana. Last night, reports, according to Danielle,

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<v Speaker 1>of assault staffed, shots in the air, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 1>then that's led to other discussion of what's going going

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<v Speaker 1>If you're an eyewitness, please call us eight five to

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Dan, thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, Hey, what do you know?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you know a lot of officers have been calling me.

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<v Speaker 9>I spent a little over twenty years here in the

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<v Speaker 9>Denver metro area and law enforcement working a lot on

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<v Speaker 9>you know, fugitive teams and stuff and still have a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of connections in the local law enforcement. And the

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<v Speaker 9>officers are just angry. They're they're angry about what's going on.

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<v Speaker 9>They're they're angry that this situation has been allowed to fester,

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<v Speaker 9>and now it's gotten to a point where it's getting

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<v Speaker 9>dangerous for these officers. The trendy Aragua gang has issued

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<v Speaker 9>a green light to shoot officers in Colorado, and it's

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<v Speaker 9>gotten to a point where where these officers can't go

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<v Speaker 9>to certain apartment complexes because the gang has taken over.

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<v Speaker 7>Those apartment complexes.

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<v Speaker 9>They are making the cleaning staff pay them a protection,

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<v Speaker 9>a bat racket. They are making the managers of those

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<v Speaker 9>in the community. And this is what I'm hearing from

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<v Speaker 9>these officers. I'm hearing that even the other night, they

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<v Speaker 9>heard gunshots, to stand back and wait to see what happens.

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<v Speaker 9>And you know, you know this, your father was a

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<v Speaker 9>police officer. That's not the heart of an officer to

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<v Speaker 9>stand there and watch things like that occur and be

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<v Speaker 9>told to just stand down.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point, and I know officers. It's tough

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<v Speaker 1>within the structure. But what have officers been able to do,

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<v Speaker 1>if anything, to try to deal with this situation they're

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<v Speaker 1>reporting to you in these apartment complexes because obviously that

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<v Speaker 1>that can't be allowed to happen anywhere, certainly can't be

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<v Speaker 4>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 9>And you know, part of the problem is DN this

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<v Speaker 9>this whole sanctuary situation precluded ICE from being able to

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<v Speaker 9>work with local law enforcement. And it's just led to this.

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<v Speaker 9>It's led to over the years to where we are now,

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<v Speaker 9>in people in these apartment complexes, and and like you said,

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<v Speaker 7>We don't we don't put up with this.

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<v Speaker 9>And how has it gotten to this situation? And really

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<v Speaker 9>looks sanctuary status, the sanctuary cities. You know this, there's

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<v Speaker 9>You know, it's just gotten to a point where if

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<v Speaker 1>And John, I've always known Mike Kaufin obviously Mary v

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to get Mike on air. Have you had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to talk with them about it? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know where he's at on this?

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I haven't actually talked to Mike about it recently,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I know, you know, he like like you said,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, he's been against sanctuary and you know he's

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<v Speaker 9>he's talked about it in the past. But I think

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<v Speaker 9>a lot may even be hidden from him, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>from the upper brass at Aurora PD, because you know,

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<v Speaker 9>they don't want this getting out if they're on their

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<v Speaker 9>fifth police chief and five years and and you know

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<v Speaker 9>that the whole you know, upper management there. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know what's going on there, but but obviously

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<v Speaker 9>the officers are being affected. Something needs to be done

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<v Speaker 9>with with, you know, with or for Aurora PD to

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<v Speaker 9>get them the help that they need. To clear this

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<v Speaker 9>situation out. But if we don't do something soon, it's

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<v Speaker 9>you know, we're gonna have.

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<v Speaker 7>Been a lot of trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>John.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me read to you something that just came into us.

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<v Speaker 1>This is issued by the Aurora Police Department. Get your

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to it. Says it's labeled fact check. Missing information

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<v Speaker 1>has spread on social media regarding the large gathering on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday at gardens On Shopping Center. We recognize that Sunday's

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<v Speaker 1>incident was disconcerting and alarming for a large number of

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<v Speaker 1>our residents and citizens. The purpose of this message is

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<v Speaker 1>to provide the community with accurate information based on what

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<v Speaker 1>we know right now. Bullet point and estimated three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>to four thousand people gathered Sunday at the gardens On

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<v Speaker 1>Havana Shopping Center to await the Venezuelan presidential election results.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll come back to that second bullet point.

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<v Speaker 1>APD learned about the gathering before five pm, when there

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<v Speaker 1>was a report of suspicious activity at the center. APD

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<v Speaker 1>subsequently investigated a report of an assault on a store

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<v Speaker 1>employee during a shoplifting incident. APD established a command post

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<v Speaker 1>to monitor the gathering. There were incidents of shots being

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<v Speaker 1>fired into the air during the gathering. APD did not

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<v Speaker 1>receive any reports of anyone being injured by gunfire. The

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<v Speaker 1>large crowd made it difficult for customers to enter and

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<v Speaker 1>leave the shopping area and roadways in the immediate area

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<v Speaker 1>where impassable trash and debris were left behind by those

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<v Speaker 1>who attended the event. APD did not make any rest

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<v Speaker 1>nor did officers issue any ticket, citations or summons. There

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<v Speaker 1>is no evidence to date that the gathering was organized

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<v Speaker 1>by a criminal organization or that any gang activity occurred

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<v Speaker 1>relating to the gathering. While there are claims that some

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<v Speaker 1>attendees at the gathering rioted, causing damage to businesses, passing

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles and causing harms harmed to passerbys in the area,

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<v Speaker 1>APD has received no such reports to date and a

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<v Speaker 1>where a patrol unit was hit by an unknown object

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<v Speaker 1>while driving in the area, and it is unclear at

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<v Speaker 1>this time if it was related to the gathering. The

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<v Speaker 1>object caused minor damage and APD is still investigating the incident.

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<v Speaker 1>APD is continuing to investigate the overall incident and we

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to keep the community informed if there are

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<v Speaker 1>significant updates.

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<v Speaker 4>So John, your reaction to that.

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<v Speaker 9>So you know, Danielle posted about this.

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<v Speaker 7>I also posted about it.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think either of us mentioned that this was

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<v Speaker 9>stage by any gang. I think we were concerned with

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<v Speaker 9>the size of the crowd gathering number one without a permit.

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<v Speaker 9>Everyone else normally for a size that big would need

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<v Speaker 9>to pull a permit. Make sure they have safety there,

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<v Speaker 9>and make sure there are ambulances, you know, all the

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<v Speaker 9>things that you need to have a large gathering. I

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<v Speaker 9>think you know, both of us were concerned with the

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<v Speaker 9>surrounding small businesses that were affected the gun fire. I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>we're Repedia even admits that they know guns were being

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<v Speaker 9>fired into the air, and when have you known?

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<v Speaker 4>Dan can't do that.

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<v Speaker 8>That's just.

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<v Speaker 1>I can guarantee you everybody listening is thinking the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>If fill in the blank. If a pro life group,

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<v Speaker 1>this group, that group whatever, gathered in a parking lot

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand people strong and we're shooting guns into the air,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>We're behind bars. You just can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot and I'm not faulting any or a police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>not nor but we cannot as a society tolerate this.

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<v Speaker 4>No matter who it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot get to get they're unpermitted. Three thousand to

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand people start firing guns in the air, shut

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<v Speaker 1>down a shopping center for you know, law abiding citizens

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<v Speaker 1>who are just trying to get in and out of

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<v Speaker 1>a parking lot.

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<v Speaker 4>That is not America. I don't care who it is,

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't matter what race, color, creed, politics. You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely, Dan, Absolutely, and look, I'm not even blaming Aurora management.

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<v Speaker 9>They were caught off guard. But the situation has gotten

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<v Speaker 9>so bad because of what we're dealing with that we

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<v Speaker 9>need to look the federal government, the local pds, they

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<v Speaker 9>need to come together and they need to make a

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<v Speaker 9>difference about this. You know, we have our local representatives,

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<v Speaker 9>some of who have said nothing about this, such as

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<v Speaker 9>Jason Crow, who is not talking about this at all.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, we need to we need to do something now.

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<v Speaker 9>This is not I've lived in Aurora since nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 9>This is not the Aurora I raised my children in.

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<v Speaker 9>This is not the Aurora I want, you know, to

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<v Speaker 9>be in the future. And again, we need to decide

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<v Speaker 9>that we want to take our streets back and we're

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<v Speaker 9>not going to have this kind of violence and we're

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<v Speaker 9>not going to have this kind of illegal activity occurrent.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, amen to that. John. What's your website?

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<v Speaker 9>It's John sab for Congress dot Com. That's John Fabb,

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<v Speaker 9>the number four Congress dot Com.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, John, appreciate the time. Thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we come back, I want to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think should have been done in that circumstance. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not critical of Aurora PD, but we can have

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<v Speaker 1>people just firing off guns in our streets with unsanctioned

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<v Speaker 1>gatherings of three to four thousand shutting down in many ways,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, commerce in the area.

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<v Speaker 4>What should have been done?

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<v Speaker 5>Then?

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<v Speaker 4>What should be done? Next time you're on the Dan

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<v Speaker 4>Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 2>And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>The kind of pop up.

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<v Speaker 1>Story today comes out of Aurora and the thirty second

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<v Speaker 1>Summer is. It starts with Danielle Churinsky posting about it,

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<v Speaker 1>then John fabricatory, and then John just joined us.

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<v Speaker 4>Danielle earlier with Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>But credit to Aura Police, which has at this point

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed and in my view, the essential details of this

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<v Speaker 1>which boils down to Sunday and it appears without a

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<v Speaker 1>permit that's not addressed in the APD statement, but if

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<v Speaker 1>a permit was issued that that person needs to find

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<v Speaker 1>another line of work because the permit would have been

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<v Speaker 1>for a shopping center parking lot on a Sunday afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>for three to four thousand people, which according to APD,

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<v Speaker 1>which again I appreciate the good information of their bulletin.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it made it difficult for people to get

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of the parking lot. But anyway, or

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<v Speaker 1>a police acknowledging three to four thousand people gathered at

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<v Speaker 1>the shopping center to wait the Venezuelan presidential election results,

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<v Speaker 1>and that there were shots fired into the air, no

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<v Speaker 1>arrests made, trash debris left behind, etc. Mike Kauffman's a

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<v Speaker 1>stand up guy, always has been.

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<v Speaker 4>It's who he is.

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<v Speaker 1>He is going to come on this show, guys, I

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<v Speaker 1>will bet youmahawk Mike Kaufman comes on the show tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't afford that.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're going to have this conversation because Mike

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<v Speaker 1>is a law or a guy. He's served in the

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<v Speaker 1>military and very very dangerous combat areas. There is no

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<v Speaker 1>way in the world Mike Kaufman is going to tolerate

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<v Speaker 1>or justify this or allow this to become the precedent

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<v Speaker 1>in Aurora.

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<v Speaker 4>It cannot be.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care who they're It could all be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>white people from a country club somewhere. They could all

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<v Speaker 1>be whatever, doesn't matter. You can't do this in America.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't have this kind of behavior in America. And

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Kaufman is not going to let that be the

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<v Speaker 1>new normal. We cannot let this be the new normal.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, I'm sure we can get Mike on tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>If you happen to be involved in that or a

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<v Speaker 1>witness to it, please give us a call. But the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing is, and I'm sure Mike would agree with this,

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<v Speaker 1>and again I'm not being critical.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Aurora police.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're confronted with a sudden situation like that, there

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<v Speaker 1>are all sorts of balancing you have to do about

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<v Speaker 1>how to deal with it. But one thing is for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>it can never happen again. So one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk to Mike about is is, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of intelligence work is being employed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that.

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<v Speaker 4>Next time the city doesn't get surprised by this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how can you get surprised by three to

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand people gathering. There must have been communications about this,

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<v Speaker 1>right Ryan, there must have been communications about, Hey, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get together and take over this part of

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<v Speaker 1>Aurora on Sunday afternoon while we await the election results

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody meet here.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it could not have been spontaneous.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand the downplaying of this entire incident by

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<v Speaker 2>Aurora PD. It is laughable. In fact, John fabricatory texts

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<v Speaker 2>me Dan quote. Their fact check is ridiculous unquote. What

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know is what is the breaking point?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a question you would probably ask as a lawyer, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>So how big would the crowd have to have gotten

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<v Speaker 2>for there to have been any action taken with regardless

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<v Speaker 2>shutting it down?

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<v Speaker 1>And these are questions that obviously have to be answered, right,

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<v Speaker 1>They have to be answered, And the message has to

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<v Speaker 1>be sent loud and clear to everybody, but particularly to

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<v Speaker 1>the folks who who did this on Sunday, that this

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<v Speaker 1>cannot happen. The law is going to be enforced. People

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be sighted, people are going to be arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>and if people shoot guns into the air, hey you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to find out what a felony is.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But listen, I do credit aorror for this, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the way it started. Misinformation has spread on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd want to talk to you ever wrote this about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But they do acknowledge, and I appreciate that that it

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<v Speaker 1>was three to four thousand people, that there were.

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<v Speaker 4>Shots fired into the air.

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<v Speaker 1>That there were people who couldn't get in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of the shopping center because of this. So at least

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<v Speaker 1>those core facts were confirmed and enough facts to know, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine is there going to be anybody out

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<v Speaker 1>there other than the people involved in this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>who gathered there and fired shots into the air. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there anybody out there who's going to say this is

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<v Speaker 1>acceptable and that we can live with?

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<v Speaker 9>This?

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<v Speaker 4>Says the new normal?

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<v Speaker 2>And according to a Texter here, they did see a

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<v Speaker 2>story about this on KDIVR would be local Fox thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one here in Denver. But other than that, and other

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<v Speaker 2>than us here covering it kind of in real time, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that it's been covered anywhere else. And

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<v Speaker 2>that begs the question as to why that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>No, great, great question, And yeah, I mean we know,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, does this trace back to Denver? I

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<v Speaker 1>think my Kaufman Aerrosity Council have been very very responsible

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<v Speaker 1>in the way they they've addressed homelessness and Aurora, the

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<v Speaker 1>way they've tried to deal, you know, with the whole

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<v Speaker 1>open borders effect, et cetera. You know, are these and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm putting this in the form of a question, are

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<v Speaker 1>these largely folks who you know Denver shipped off to Aura?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know the answer to that question. Are all

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<v Speaker 4>sorts of questions that need to be answered well, and a.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick kind of nip in the bud moment here because

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<v Speaker 2>this Texter and I'm not picking on the text, but says,

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<v Speaker 2>any idea, how many of these people are actually gang members?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a number out of the five thousand?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a clever turn that there. Roal PD tried

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<v Speaker 2>to take as well, to discount the whole story by well,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't gang members. That's irrelevant, that's beside the point.

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<v Speaker 4>But then again, the question would be, okay, where does

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<v Speaker 4>that information come from?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they just set that aside though if they

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<v Speaker 2>were not gang members, this behavior is not.

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<v Speaker 4>Acceptable, That's right. That's the starting point.

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<v Speaker 1>To the extent the question is because John was on

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<v Speaker 1>about separate reports of gang members, you know, taking over

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<v Speaker 1>certain apartment complexes or requiring protection money to be paid,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And so is that have those facts been confirmed?

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<v Speaker 1>We need to hear that from Mike Kaufman, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>What's being done to investigate those reports. But this I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you, and I don't mean to sound naive, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've been around here for a few minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been doing the show almost thirty years, and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Kaufman has never ducked us.

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<v Speaker 4>He's come on all the time over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>And you just know, if there's one person, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>more than one, if there's one person in Colorado public

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<v Speaker 1>life who.

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<v Speaker 4>Is not going to tolerate this, it's Mike Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a track record to back.

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<v Speaker 1>Then yes, so and then so I fully expect he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be on the show tomorrow and we'll get answers to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these questions. But but and then we

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about the how. I'm sure Mike's going

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<v Speaker 1>to say it's not going to be tolerated, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, how's it going to be stopped? Because guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>you and Mike knows this to be true. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you approve what you tolerate, You condone what you tolerate,

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<v Speaker 1>you encourage what you tolerate. So the fact that this

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<v Speaker 1>was this occurred, no arrest, gunshots into the air. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got an awful lot of people now who think they

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<v Speaker 1>can come back and do it again. We look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to Devin, Mike Kaufman with us tomorrow. We expect, Thank you, Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Kelly join us tomorrow.