WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.960 Oh, folks, it's show tied. 2 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:10.599 People say good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.560 When they go out to a theater. They want cold sodas, 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:17.320 hot popcorn, and no monsters in the protection. 5 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:19.199 Booth, everyone for tend podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:20.879 Let it off. 7 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:47.399 The balance of power, the safety of America, and the 8 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:51.399 fate of the free world are all in the hands 9 00:00:51.439 --> 00:01:00.200 of a woman named Whoopee. 10 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:04.640 You should be happy to man, I'm not gonna press charge. 11 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:06.840 This man is trying to kill me. Of course he's 12 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:07.879 not gonna press charges. 13 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:10.519 She's discovered a deadly secret. 14 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.120 You don't know anything about this, do you? 15 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:14.480 I don't know about this. 16 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.040 She's fallen in with a very tough crowd. 17 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:19.879 Mister Van, what do you mean? 18 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:23.480 He's dead dead dead, And if she can stay alive. 19 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:26.840 Face, it's the face of a woman on the deeds, 20 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:27.519 she just. 21 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:28.640 Might save someone. 22 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:30.239 You KB. 23 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:58.599 The k GB named Jumpin' Jack Flash twentieth Century Fox 24 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:02.560 presents the star of the color purple in a dangerously 25 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:07.120 funny new comedy, Whoopy Goldberg in Jumpin' Jack Flag. 26 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:10.719 Woa, get it, get It, get it. 27 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:22.280 Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host. Mike White 28 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.919 joined me for this month is mister Kevin Laine. 29 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:27.599 I am in address, I have jellum wy here, I 30 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:30.639 haven't slept all night, I'm starved and I'm armed. Don't 31 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:33.479 mess with me. Hello, Mike, it's glad to be back. 32 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.479 Also joining us as mister Ian Brown al Bo. 33 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:39.960 Sure, Mike, what's the skinny? What's the buzz? 34 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.319 We are kicking off woop Brewery, a whole month of 35 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.919 films starring Whoopy Goldberg. We are looking at a trio 36 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.599 film she made in the wake of her triumphant performance 37 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.000 in The Color Purple plus one more. First up, we'll 38 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.599 be discussing Jumping Jack Flash. Directed by Pemmy Marshall and 39 00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:59.960 written by a whole host of people. The film has 40 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:04.719 Whoopee as a computer technician named Terry Doolittle. She accidentally 41 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.719 makes contact with a British spy and gets embroiled in 42 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:11.000 a web of mystery. We will be spoiling this film 43 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.599 as we go along, so if you don't want anything ruin, 44 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.879 please turn off the podcast and track down the film. 45 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.840 We will still be here. So, Kevin, when was the 46 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:20.560 first time you saw Jumpin' Jack Flash? And what did 47 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:21.199 you think, sir? 48 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.759 The first time I saw it in totality was yesterday. 49 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:29.479 Before that, I caught it on the BBC some late 50 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:33.599 evening in the mid nineties, and I saw the last 51 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:35.439 half of it and I thought that was good, So 52 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:37.319 I need to check that out. Never got round to 53 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:39.680 watching it, so I'm happy to have finally seen it 54 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:41.439 and Ian about yourself. 55 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.560 I saw this opening weekend when I was fifteen. I 56 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:46.960 saw it with my mom and my sister. My mom 57 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.360 and I had seen The Color Purple earlier that year 58 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:51.439 and loved it. I still love that movie. I think 59 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.319 it's one of the best screen adaptations of a great novel. 60 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:56.960 Though at age fourteen, I had not yet read the 61 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:00.599 novel Color Purple, and we had the VHS of Whoopies 62 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.439 one Woman Broadway show that was taped for HBO. We 63 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:07.479 never had cable, but we were early VHS adapters or adopters. 64 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.199 I can't remember if my mom liked jumpin Jackflash. I 65 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:14.719 know she thought Burglar was beneath Whoope's talents, but she 66 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.079 might and she might have felt that way about this too. I, 67 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:19.839 on the other hand, loved Jumpin Jackflash. I saw it 68 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:22.639 five times in the theater and at least twenty five 69 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.759 times on VHS. It was one of those films I 70 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:28.399 barely needed to rent anymore. I'd seen it so much 71 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.639 I could just play it in my head. But up 72 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.160 until two nights ago, I had not watched this film 73 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.639 for at least thirty five years, so it was a 74 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:39.240 true blast from the past to rewatch it. It's good, 75 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.439 silly fun. Every other time you've had me on this podcast, Mike, 76 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.839 it's been to talk about some great classic drama or 77 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.759 film noir from long before I was born. So it's 78 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:50.920 great to be on this show talking about a movie 79 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.680 from my actual youth for the first time. And I 80 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.240 enjoy this movie a lot. 81 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:58.839 Wow an estimated thirty times at least at. 82 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.480 Least I'll watch what I said, no, no, don't hold back. 83 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:03.600 I mean, this ain't The Godfather. 84 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:07.800 I think I watched this one first on cable or 85 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:10.560 maybe it was a VHS rental. I did not have 86 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.319 the tape. I didn't watch this multiple times at home, 87 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.839 but I did remember really liking it, and then throughout 88 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:21.319 the years, I will check it out every you know, ten, twelve, 89 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.040 fifteen years or something. And I've been dreaming of doing 90 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.680 this WHOOPI Goldberg series for a long time of all things, 91 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.600 you know, But here we are. We're doing it because 92 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.360 there are three movies that she made right in a 93 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.759 row that I think are pretty darn good. I disagree 94 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:39.000 with your mother, but you. 95 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.279 Know, no, I like Burglar. I watched that at least eight. 96 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:45.680 Times and I have yet to see it. 97 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.519 Next week we'll be back with Burglar, so little preview there. 98 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:54.079 I don't remember her stand up that much. I remember 99 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:57.800 it being bad and poignant, at least like towards the 100 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.399 end of the show maybe, But can you recall what 101 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:02.720 her stand up was like? Ian? 102 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:03.279 Oh? 103 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:03.560 Sure? 104 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:05.920 I mean it wasn't really stand up she did, more 105 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.160 like what Eric Magosion and John Leguizamo and those types 106 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:11.480 of It was a one person show where she did 107 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.240 five characters. She did it in stand up clubs. And 108 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.279 then I think, as I recall, the story is that 109 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:19.800 Mike Nichols went to see the show and was incredibly 110 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:23.040 moved by it and went backstage and like just like 111 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.560 looked at her and they embraced each other, and he 112 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.279 became a sort of a mentor for her and got 113 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.720 the show to Broadway and then got it, you know, 114 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:35.600 taped for HBO, and it's good it's not a masterpiece. 115 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:38.040 I mean, I think it's one of those things where 116 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.680 well intentioned, good liberal white people in New York like 117 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.839 saw a black woman doing characters and exploded. It made 118 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:46.600 their head explode and they thought it was like the 119 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:51.160 greatest thing ever. It's good, but it's not like a revelation. 120 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:55.199 If you compare it, say to Lily Tomlin's Search for 121 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.079 intelligent life in the Universe, that's I think a richer, 122 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:03.800 more complicated, multifaceted one woman show that was on Broadway. 123 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:06.199 But I still watch that would be go over. I mean, 124 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:08.480 you know, again, this was the era where I just 125 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:12.160 I was living in rural Massachusetts. I did not have 126 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.360 a car, though I did have a bike and a tractor, 127 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:17.439 but you could not drive the tractor to the town 128 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.360 where the mall and the movie theater was. So in 129 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.040 the summertimes, I would just ride my bike to the 130 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.560 theater and I would see the same movies over and 131 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:27.759 over again, because they were at most like eight to 132 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.879 choose from. So if you're going every weekend and staying 133 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.360 there all day and watching five shows like I often, 134 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.319 did you watch those movies that you like over and over? 135 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.040 And that was you know, this is right around that time, 136 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.319 like eighty five to eighty seven is probably when I 137 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:43.639 did that the most. 138 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:47.360 And the interesting thing for us is that we didn't 139 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.319 really have the same exposure too. She was very much 140 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.879 one of those American comedians who was big with you guys, 141 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.439 but didn't translate over to us. So our introduction to 142 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.600 her would have been the Color Purple and Trek the 143 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:03.160 Next Generation and Sister Acting Ghosts and things like that. 144 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.879 Her big big hits put her stand up, her comic 145 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.839 relief stuff. None of that would have traveled, so our 146 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.439 first introduction to her would have been the Spielberg film. 147 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.079 But it was interesting just to see her biography and 148 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.199 see that she did a lot of firsts. First person 149 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.399 to host the Oscars, is a black woman, first person 150 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:21.399 to win a Grammy, all that kind of stuff. Was 151 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.639 fascinating to see how successful she was well sometimes being 152 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.759 better than the material that she was putting up to. 153 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.519 I mean, Color Purple was most people's introduction to her 154 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:34.240 unless you saw her on Broadway or in a club somewhere. 155 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.120 That's where all of us first saw what Pee Goldberg 156 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.240 and Oprah Winfrey and you know, I mean, there's lots 157 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.240 of famous people in color purple. But then there are 158 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:44.960 lots of people who were non actors that Spielberg just 159 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:49.120 sort of an Ann Quincy Jones, kind of instinctually cast 160 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.759 in that way that great producers know how to do. 161 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:54.799 That sometimes kind of mystifying, you know, like how you 162 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:56.960 would be sure that Oprah Winfrey is going to deliver 163 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:00.240 the performance that she does based on nothing. She didn't 164 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:01.799 even a talk show host. I don't think at this 165 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.879 point it's kind of amazing. I think it's all just 166 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.399 an eye that Spielberg has. 167 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:12.080 This was just so remarkable that she had this run 168 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.879 of films, and that the films that we're talking about, 169 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:20.519 at least these first three are very odd that they 170 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.559 were all rewritten for Woopy Goldberg, every single one. 171 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:25.960 This is the third one Fatal Beauty. 172 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:29.919 The third one is Fatal Beauty. So Rita Rizzoli surprisingly 173 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.360 was not supposed to be Wood Goldberg at first. I know, 174 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:39.639 that's a shot. So this one, originally, from what I've read, 175 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:43.480 was supposed to be a vehicle for Burt Reynolds, and 176 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:47.240 then it's gender switched and it became a vehicle for 177 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:50.879 Shelley Long and then it switched one more time and 178 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:55.080 became a vehicle for Woopy Goldberg. And this is before 179 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:58.919 they were making this movie while The Color Purple was 180 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.000 coming out. This was before she really had her huge push. 181 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:06.639 But apparently even at this time she was having difficulties 182 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:08.799 with some of the people behind the scenes. It was 183 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:12.200 originally what Howard Zef was supposed to direct this, and 184 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.559 I can't remember the producer, but they both either walked 185 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.639 away or got fired from this, and that's how Penny 186 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:21.279 Marshall came in. And it's interesting to look at some 187 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:23.879 of the actors that are in this and you can go, Okay, 188 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.039 that's a pre Penny Marshall actor, like the boss with 189 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.320 the bad tu pay because he's in My Girl, I believe, 190 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.159 which Howard Zeff did. And then you see you know, 191 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:37.720 John Lovett's and Phil Hartman and all these people, and 192 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.200 you're like, oh, okay, well, and obviously Gary Marshall popping 193 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.159 in as the police detective and you're like, okay, obviously 194 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:45.600 that's a Penny Marshall thing. 195 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.840 There's all the spinal tap people. I mean, she's got 196 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.360 all the people from who are either previously on Saturday 197 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.559 Live like Jim Blushi or we're currently on Saturday Life 198 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:57.919 like John Lovett's or We're about to be on Saturday 199 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.759 Live like Phil Hartman. And then you know she she 200 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.120 did Lavernon Shirley with Michael McKeon, so he's in there, 201 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.159 and she was married to Rob Reiner. So's she's got 202 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:12.000 the woman June Chadwick, is that her name, The woman 203 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:15.240 who plays the sort of Yoko Ono character, is like 204 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:17.440 briefly in there. And then of. 205 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.480 Course Tony Hendra, Tony Hendra. 206 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.799 Yeah. Like, so you got three spinal tap people, three 207 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.720 SNL people, and then you've got all these action guys, 208 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.200 you know, because this is produced by Lawrence Gordon and 209 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:33.440 Joel Silver. You know, big action movie forty eight hours. 210 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.399 It's a fire lethal weapon predator. I don't know any 211 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:40.159 of the names of those guys, but like you recognize 212 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.200 all these faces of all the people that sort of 213 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.639 pop up that aren't comedians. So yeah, you can see 214 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.679 who's coming from where in the cast of this movie. 215 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.200 I'm going to say something controversial though, which is that 216 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.840 I feel like Whoopee, as brilliant as she isn't as 217 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.879 charismatic as she is, and this whole film hinges on 218 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:01.519 her charisma as a movie star to keep us watching 219 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:04.879 or keep me watching anyway. She's so entertaining, But I 220 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.559 feel that as good as she is, she's wrong for 221 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.679 this part, and that I can see it working the 222 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.559 story essentially working a lot better with Shelley Long being 223 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:19.039 this willowing, lovelorn, put upon bank clerk who ends up 224 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:20.440 falling for a guy that she never sees. 225 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:23.559 The whoopee Gobert character just feels too. 226 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:29.039 Irascible and gregarious and confident to risk her life like 227 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:30.600 this for someone that she's never met, and to fall 228 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.039 for somebody over a computer screen. 229 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:33.639 She just feels too street wise for that. 230 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:37.080 Whereas I could imagine Shelley Long selling that a little 231 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.200 bit more convincingly. That being said, I think it wouldn't 232 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:41.919 be as entertaining with Shelley Long. 233 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.360 Well, have you ever seen Outrageous Fortune with Shelley Long 234 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:46.159 and Bette Midler? 235 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.120 I have, She's a brilliant actress. 236 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:50.360 It would be like that tone. 237 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.799 I think, yeah, more of a twist on romantic comedy 238 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.399 I could imagine, whereas this feels like it's taking its 239 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:59.080 cues from Beverly Hills cop and saying, let's put what 240 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.559 Pie Goldberg in a star vehicle? And have her up 241 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:06.559 against all these spies and stuff, and it's very entertaining 242 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:08.799 for what it is, but the character she's playing this 243 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:12.080 a bank clerk who can't get a date, a false 244 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:13.120 regard she never sees. 245 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:14.960 I just don't buy it with her character. 246 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.279 She's too colorful and too much of the class clone 247 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.279 for to be successful for me as a storyline. 248 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.159 One of the things that's really interesting about movies of 249 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:29.399 this period, like Beverly Hills Cop and Burglar and a 250 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.360 lot of these movies, they are always designed to be 251 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:36.720 action comedies, but the various drafts for all these different 252 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:40.080 screenwriters pull them more in one direction to the other. 253 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.559 So it only really it's because of the star that 254 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:46.279 ultimately gets cast that it goes a certain way. Like 255 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.440 if Stallone had been in Beverly Hills Cop, it would 256 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.879 have been Cobra, which it eventually was, but you know, 257 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.600 instead they got Eddie Murphy and it becomes this huge movie. Obviously, 258 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:58.639 Beverly Hills Cop is a much more successful version of 259 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:02.879 that than Jumping Jack Flash. But I personally like this 260 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:08.080 element of eighties action comedies where it really retains the 261 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:12.320 action movie plot in a way that is not complicated 262 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:16.000 This is not Chinatown or anything like. It's not a 263 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.519 plot you have to really pay much attention to. But 264 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:23.559 it's not inconsequential, and it's not like ironically or grudgingly 265 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:27.480 grafted on like so many action comedy movie plots today are. 266 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:30.559 There are stakes in this movie, but you're never really 267 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.480 asked to take them very seriously because she doesn't take 268 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:36.399 them very seriously except when she's like backed into a 269 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:38.759 corner and then she gets out of it, like, you know, 270 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.320 using her wits or whatever, like a good eighties you know, 271 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.240 comedy heroin. But I do think that you're right in 272 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.600 the sense that I can see this being a little 273 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.960 more effective with Shelley Long. But I don't know that 274 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.120 I would have watched it as often, Like I had 275 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.399 such a good time with all the shtick that Willbi 276 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.759 Goldberg does, and I think, whatever again. I read the 277 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.600 script you sent us, Mike, but it really was like 278 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:06.639 the shooting script. It wasn't any of the early drafts. 279 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:10.039 So it's hard to picture how invested I would have 280 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.320 been with anybody else in the movie. I can't really tell. 281 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:14.120 Well. 282 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.240 I wonder if it helps that it was originally an 283 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.759 action movie and then the comedy was brought to it, 284 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.440 rather than vice versa, where it's a comic movie that 285 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:25.799 they then shove the action into. I'm not sure if 286 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.919 that makes a difference or not. But again, also the 287 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:32.679 switching of from a male protagonist to a female protagonist, 288 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:34.840 from a white lady to a black lady, and then 289 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:39.279 Whoopy Goldberg brings herself to this role. And I think 290 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.519 you're kind of right as far as she's very self possessed, 291 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.600 like when it comes to the office scenario, like she's 292 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:49.320 the one I would think that everybody goes to for answers, like, 293 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:52.080 isn't it. Like at the very end of the movie, 294 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:55.840 she ends up getting mister Page's job correct, like he 295 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:59.360 moves someplace else and she becomes the boss. And that 296 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.919 makes total since because she knows the job better than 297 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.440 anybody else. She doesn't follow the rules, but she makes 298 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:08.360 all of her customers feel good about themselves and has 299 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:12.080 this great relationship. It's that whole hug your customer business 300 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.320 mentality that has been shoved down my throat as a manager. 301 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.360 So I'm like, okay, yeah, this makes a lot of sense. 302 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:20.960 She's making a personal connection with all of these people, 303 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.320 and the whole Yankee pot roast of it all, you know, 304 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:28.080 But yeah, it is very fascinating that this is a 305 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:32.080 movie that is led by comedian and led by a 306 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.120 black woman in nineteen eighty six, which I don't think 307 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:38.559 had really happened before this. 308 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:40.559 What a first time female director. 309 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.519 Yeah, oh yeah, first time female and she definitely did 310 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:46.559 not feel very comfortable with this. Thank you so much, 311 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:49.240 Ian for sharing Penny Marshall's biography. 312 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:49.879 That was great. 313 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:54.960 Oh yeah, both Penny Marshall and Gary Marshall wrote autobiographies 314 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.960 late in their lives and they did audiobook versions, and 315 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:01.080 that's the only way with both those people, those siblings 316 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:04.279 and their distinctive voices. It's like listening to a twelve 317 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:08.319 hour podcast where they just tell amazing stories over and over. 318 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.839 And yeah, I just like I made a little recording 319 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:13.279 to because I was like, you guys don't want to 320 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:15.680 read this, You want to hear her tell these stories. 321 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.720 They're just so fun. But yeah, this was the era 322 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.880 of like the studio development process just being in maximum 323 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.960 cocaine fueled overdrive, which is why you get all you know, 324 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.599 these big producers who are used to action movies, who 325 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:34.279 I think nothing of bringing on all these high powered writers. 326 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.319 So like the first draft is by David Franzoni, who 327 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:41.039 wrote Amistad and Gladiator, but this was his first produced screenplay. 328 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:44.119 Then you get Nancy Myers and Charles Shier who write 329 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.839 a draft when Shelley Long is there. And I think 330 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.440 that went for a long time because they still retain 331 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.839 screen credit though under pseudonyms. But then the script you 332 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.000 gave us, which is a shooting script, has a draft 333 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.960 credit to davidy Desuza, who wrote forty eight Hours and 334 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.680 Die Hard and Command and Running Man. And Richard Price, 335 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.680 the legendary novelist of like Wanderers and Clockers, who wrote 336 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:09.160 at this time like Color of Money, and he would 337 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.640 write Sea of Love a couple of years later. Then 338 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.200 the creator of Bosom Buddies, Chris Thompson. He's probably brought 339 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:17.079 on at the very end because he was a Laverne 340 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.319 and Shirley writer. And in her autobiography, Penny Marshall says, 341 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:22.839 there was a David Mammott draft of this movie. I mean, 342 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:26.000 it's so when you look at what the actual movie. 343 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:27.880 Is, I can imagine how Foux Mooth that was. 344 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.240 Oh yeah, well that's what she said. She's like that 345 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.519 it was all foxed and shit and motherfucker and all this, 346 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.039 you know, like she like it's just listening to her 347 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.559 rattle off her anecdotes is great. 348 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:39.440 Can I tell you? 349 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:39.680 Though? 350 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.839 I would say that that draft, as vulgar as it 351 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:45.880 would have been, would probably have suited Whoopee's character a 352 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.599 lot better, because, for my money, my favorite scene in 353 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.119 the film is the scene between her and Gary Marshall 354 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.079 where she's able to cut loose and she's being irascible 355 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:56.599 and irritable and she's just swearing like a trooper to 356 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:56.960 this guy. 357 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:01.160 We sent a card down there, lady, I'm calling lady. 358 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:03.839 We found nothing, nothing, nothing nothing. 359 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.119 We'll drag the river there. 360 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.039 Aunt killer is running around the fucking city. 361 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:11.880 How would you like me to wash your mouth out 362 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:12.960 with a wire brush? 363 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:14.519 How'd you like it if I kick you in the 364 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.400 nuts so hard that they get lodged in your fucking nostrils? 365 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.039 And that, to me is like, that's the character that 366 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.319 they should have been. Or the alternati would have been 367 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.359 to have flipped it and had Carol Kane is delete 368 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.720 that would have sort of suited this. But yeah, I 369 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.279 can feel the energy shifting in the film depending on 370 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.799 the day that they shot, because it changes up tones 371 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:38.279 soft and it goes from slapstick to suspense to sisterhood 372 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.759 with her character with any Potts sort of pulling off 373 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:42.480 this heist to get her at the consulate. 374 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.079 And yeah, it has a sort of. 375 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:46.640 A fly by the seat of its pants sort of 376 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:50.519 tone to it where it keeps changing depending on what 377 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:51.480 mood they were in that day. 378 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.519 Well, it sounds very much like that was the shooting way, 379 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.000 like where she was talking about, oh yeah, whoopee was 380 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.960 in a rotten mood and so we were shooting this 381 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:02.519 scene and trying to find the frying pan and the 382 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.960 I'm like, I don't even I remember that scene from 383 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.480 the script, but I didn't remember it for frying pan. Yeah, 384 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:10.480 the fryingpan is a weird way of getting information from 385 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.559 one person to another. 386 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:15.279 That scene. And I found that scene in the shooting 387 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.960 script because she says the very first like she came 388 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:20.440 on the film, it was already shooting for ten days 389 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:23.559 and that's when Howard Zef and the producer was Marvin Worth. 390 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.079 You asked who Marvin Worth? And I've do this whole 391 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:29.519 past year of twenty twenty four. I've been devoting myself 392 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.319 to revisiting all the films of nineteen eighty four on 393 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:36.359 their fortieth anniversaries. So like, I've been totally immersed in that. 394 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.319 And Marvin Worth made three real winners that year. He 395 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.960 made Falling in Love, the Romantic movie with Robert de 396 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.039 Niro and Meryl Streep, which is a real slog. He 397 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:49.839 made unfaithfully yours, I think with Howard Zef that's the 398 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.480 Dudley Moore remake of the Preston Surgis movie, and the 399 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.440 infamous Rhinestone with Dolly Parton and sly Stone, which I 400 00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:57.680 had not. 401 00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:59.480 Oh, I get it. You're being sarcastic here. 402 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:02.000 Oh yes, yeah, I'm being sorry. I'm just saying like 403 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:05.519 Marvin Worth was on a fucking roll, is what I'm saying. 404 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:08.319 And so, you know, for someone for him to leave 405 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:10.960 a project, you know, it might must have been in trouble. 406 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:15.160 But yeah, so they shut down, and they they reach 407 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:17.680 out to Penny Marshall and say, like, we're already shooting. 408 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.079 We can't really you know, go into any new pre production. 409 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:22.920 So she says the first thing she shot was the 410 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:25.680 footage of the Russian woman who you know, like that 411 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.119 comes in from Soviet television. And then the second is 412 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.319 this scene where Woopee goes into the alleyway after she 413 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.720 throws the frying pan out her window, and she has 414 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:37.920 this interaction with a homeless person and that is not 415 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:39.920 in the film, but it is in the shooting script, 416 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.759 so it was interesting to see that. 417 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:44.559 Though the Russian woman was not in the shooting script, 418 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:49.319 which was interesting. And then also there's more after she 419 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.200 is confronting Gary Marshall. Is a little bit more because 420 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.519 I noticed yesterday when I was rewatching this, it was like, 421 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.319 oh wow, that's a very abrupt cut when it goes 422 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.160 back to her apartment after she's had that truth serum 423 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.599 that Jim Belushi pumped into her, and there's a whole 424 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.559 scene in there with Marty where he's talking with her 425 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.200 and she's kind of like coming down from the truth 426 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.680 serum type of stuff, and there's a doctor and he's like, 427 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.799 you should put her to bed and all this stuff. 428 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:17.559 So I'm like, okay, that would have filled that in 429 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:19.720 a little bit more. But the one thing I really 430 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:21.680 tried to pay attention to, and I know I'm jumping 431 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.720 all the way to the end of this movie, is 432 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:28.519 she doesn't bite Professor Falkon aka John Wood aka Jeremy 433 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.119 Talbot's the character's name. She doesn't bite him in the 434 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:34.079 dick in the script, and so I was very glad 435 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:36.759 for that because that's a horrible moment in this movie 436 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:39.599 and it just kind of undermines the movie a little 437 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:41.759 bit for me every single time I watch it, Yeah, 438 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:42.519 because it's just like. 439 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.400 My god, it's such a great I mean. 440 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.680 Yeah, but they say it's perfect because they have Benny 441 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:50.519 like this is. 442 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.240 But going back to what you said, Mike about like 443 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.319 how you just didn't see a black woman heading a 444 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.400 major like movie like this, I mean, Woopy Goldberg was 445 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:03.359 a total outlier when she became famous. It's a little 446 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.039 bit like you didn't see black people on MTV unless 447 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:09.759 it was Michael Jackson. He was sort of grandfathered in. 448 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:12.480 And it's the same with Whoopy Goldberg in a weird 449 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:16.640 way during this period of time where she is it's 450 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:20.119 not that she is like she's playing a black character, 451 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.759 and there are jokes about being black in this movie. 452 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:25.519 There's several jokes. There's that one where she's like riding 453 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:27.759 through the you know, when she gets she's trapped in 454 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:30.319 the phone booth and they're dragging her, and she like 455 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.279 looks at at the guy. She's like, hey, brother man 456 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:34.960 black power, like call the please help me, and he's 457 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.279 just like right on. You know, Like there's all these 458 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:43.119 references there, but there's something very I guess unthreatening, And 459 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:44.880 maybe that's not the word. I don't know what it 460 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:49.039 was that just like appealed to Hollywood and America about 461 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:53.119 Whoopy Goldberg. Her sense of style, both in real life 462 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:57.039 and in this movie is totally unlike anything else. Like 463 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:01.599 I don't know how what her life, sexuality, how she 464 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:05.400 identified at this point in time, but when you see 465 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.440 her in the dress, she's like, oh yeah, this is 466 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.400 like a thirty year old woman who can totally like 467 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:12.799 rock this sexy dress, but would never choose to unless 468 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:13.880 it was for a gag. 469 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:15.920 She looks like Milhouse and drag. 470 00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.480 Yeah, Like she doesn't do it unless she's doing it 471 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.160 for fun, Like she would never show up to an 472 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.720 award show in a dress like that. 473 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:25.240 But she's pure charisma. 474 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:28.720 She's like one of those movie stars who gets boy 475 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:32.960 because of their charisma. They are so watchable and likable. 476 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.400 You can't hate what Pie Goldburg actually ever played a villain. 477 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:38.319 I don't think so, but I don't think it will be. 478 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.279 But in her wheelhouse, she's just such a likable presence. 479 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:43.680 Well, I don't know if you have the view over 480 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.400 there in England, but like, there are plenty of maga 481 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.200 people who hate with Goldberg because she's on a talk 482 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:51.039 show where she's very opinionated. 483 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.160 I'll be honest. Do maga people like anything now? 484 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:53.400 No? 485 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:55.519 I don't think so now. And they don't like movies either, 486 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:58.440 unless they're like mel Gibson movies. But the way she 487 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:01.440 dresses is like very and shapeless. She's sort of like 488 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:03.640 dressed like a cross between Flave of Flave and a 489 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.519 Lego character, you know, Like it's like square and colorful, 490 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.440 like bright yellows. And to me, the whole biting the 491 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.960 dick thing is just like the perfect way for this 492 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.759 version of this movie to end, because she did stuff 493 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.319 that was outrageous that you weren't expecting to see. And 494 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.240 she's got that incredible mouth with those incredible teeth that 495 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.799 are such a huge part of the color purple, using 496 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.680 her face and mouth in a completely different way to 497 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:35.000 evoke all kinds of emotions, and in this movie she 498 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:37.920 just like opens up those choppers and bites the guy 499 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.839 in the dick. It's like the ultimate, you know, and 500 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:43.599 then he is so shocked. He just looks at and 501 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.200 he's just like as he's getting handcuffed, he's like, I 502 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:48.799 don't believe it. 503 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:49.559 It's so daft. 504 00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:52.039 I have to say it thoughays well, and maybe it's 505 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.440 just colored boy. What I know about Stephen Collins, Well, 506 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:58.640 watching this film, I just kept thinking he's the villain. 507 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.599 He's the guy who's gonna double crossed. There's something sketchy 508 00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:04.920 about this guy. He's got such bad, sinister energy and 509 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:06.880 he's always had that and everything I've ever seen him in. 510 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.160 So I was watching it thinking he's definitely the bad 511 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.640 guy and he's not. He's he's like an alloy. 512 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.319 He is under covers. He is he is Yeah, he 513 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:15.480 says CIA agent. 514 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:17.599 Yeah, but he key comes true for in the end 515 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:19.039 and he's like he's a good pile to her. 516 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:19.920 Yeah. 517 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.039 The other thing is she's trying to get an five 518 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.759 agent out of Russia. It should be an six agent. 519 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.799 My favor is the domestic wing of the British police. 520 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:31.400 That's a little bit of a slip up there. 521 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.680 I think we get confused about those numbers and letters 522 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:36.519 over here on the side of the pond. I mean 523 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:41.640 even in like James Bond, he's six. Well he's six 524 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:43.359 at some point, but in at least four of the 525 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:46.039 movies and even one of the novels he's referred to 526 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.079 as MI I five. So I always I was like, 527 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.559 did they change the number? But he's in the sixties 528 00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:52.559 and the eighties or I don't know, but. 529 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:54.680 It's the difference between the FBI and CIA. 530 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.680 I didn't know until reading those books. When it finally 531 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.920 came to the Moonriker book where it was like, oh, 532 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.519 this is a domestic thing. He shouldn't be on this, 533 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.640 I was like, oh, I never really picked that up 534 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.440 before that all of his cases take place around the 535 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.759 world rather than in itself. 536 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.279 Yeah, but the exploding pen is totally realistic. 537 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.000 That's sex they never had. 538 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.599 That's the upgrade I have to say. As well. 539 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:25.279 I felt quite sorry for her at the end when 540 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.599 she got the big reveal of who this guy was 541 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.319 that she'd been courting, and. 542 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.000 I was wondering. I was like, is Jonathan Price really 543 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:34.160 worth all the trouble? 544 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.400 Yeah, it should be like Pierce Brosnan or somebody. Daniel Craig. 545 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.880 You know somebody that's like a knockout for her, and 546 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.519 it's John Deprice Falding receding here. 547 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:47.759 And I don't know. 548 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:50.240 I like Jonathan Price a lot, but did you guys 549 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:55.039 read this in Whoopee in Wikipedia? According to Wikipedia, Sam 550 00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:59.519 Kinnison was originally cast to play that role because he 551 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.079 was I don't know, this may be completely apocrypal. Wikipedia 552 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.319 says Sam Kinnison was dating Penny Marshall at the time. 553 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.160 She offered him the role of Jack, but Whoopy Goldberg 554 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.680 nixed the deal, causing Marshall and Kinnison to end their 555 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.319 relationship and starting a bitter feud between Kennison and Goldberg. 556 00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:20.680 That sounds like complete Wikipedia bullshit to me, But there's 557 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.880 not a lot on this Wikipedia page, and that's like 558 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.960 prominently there. I was sort of shocked to see that, 559 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:28.920 but I've always liked Jonathan Price. I do think that, 560 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.559 as you were saying, like if it was Shelley Long 561 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:36.039 or Anti Potts, or even Carol kin Well not Carol Kane. 562 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.319 I think if both if Carol Kine or Whoopy Goldberg 563 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:40.839 are playing this part, you have to get the feeling 564 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.160 that like it's not going to be an overwhelming James 565 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.799 Bond masculine presence that walks in. Reading the script was 566 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.119 really interesting because there are so many things that are 567 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:52.720 not in the final cut of this movie that are 568 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.759 in the shooting script that really make him sound like 569 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.680 a player and a ladies man. And there's like when 570 00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.319 she's listening to the answer machine message, there's even like 571 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.799 a woman was like, by the way, the baby's not yours. 572 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.079 When she's like calling to find out, like where have you? 573 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.440 All the messages that say where are you? And like 574 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:11.680 I'm like, oh, so this jump and jack flash. 575 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:12.319 She got catfish? 576 00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.920 Yeah, exactly. I like him. He's got a great voice. 577 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.160 I love that we don't hear his voice until she 578 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.000 hears his voice on the answering machine tape, and then she. 579 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.759 Can hear excuse yeah, I was nice. 580 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:29.759 That's like that little bit of cinema language that like 581 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:32.960 just lit up the brain of this budding fifteen year 582 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.279 old cinephile. I was just like, ooh, more of that, 583 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:35.960 more of that. 584 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.759 I never trusted him though, because he spoken all caps, 585 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.160 you know those a well. 586 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.960 The way the dialogue between the computer and her is 587 00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:48.759 depicted in this movie is very bizarre because there are 588 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:53.119 definitely times when she's always just reading text and hearing 589 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.599 things in her mind. His voice, but like he he 590 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.839 knows when she's like turned around and not looking at 591 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:02.880 the camera. She knows when he knows when she's not 592 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:07.240 answering because she's emotional as opposed to she's just like distracted, 593 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:08.039 a stepped away. 594 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:08.759 You know. 595 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.200 It really feels like an actual conversation, which which is 596 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.319 a choice. I don't know how well it works, but 597 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.480 especially since the whole payoff at the end is that 598 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.599 he is watching her from that room as they text. 599 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.920 It's a little strange, but I like hearing his voice. 600 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.359 I think it's important to have a really good voice. 601 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.799 Maybe Hugh Grant, if this had been shot like ten 602 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.480 years later, would have been an ideal jump in Jack 603 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.160 Flash because he's suave. 604 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.599 But goofy, Yeah, you want to start out with her 605 00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:38.599 just meeting all these schmucks and these guys that are 606 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.799 just like beneath her, and then she gets the ultimate 607 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.319 prize at the end, like Adonnis walks in and it's 608 00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:46.720 like that's the guy who owes his life to her 609 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:49.680 and is like, let's go on a date. But instead 610 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.440 it's kind of like uh, okay. 611 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:54.799 I would have thought that Gero and Crab would have 612 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.759 been a better choice than Mark Van Meter. But again, 613 00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.519 seeing him, I'm just like, oh, he's evil, you know, 614 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.960 like be careful, like, don't meet him near the docks. 615 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.079 That's a guy who killed Richard Kimball or not. 616 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.440 He's got the whole Devila McGregor things stewing up. They're 617 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.599 going to be selling that drug pretty soon. 618 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.000 So damn Bond. His defection was phony. 619 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.519 I can never trust that dude, but in this one, 620 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:17.119 I guess you can. 621 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.079 That was the first time I ever saw him though 622 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.880 I had never seen any of his Dutch films, and 623 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.640 Crossing Delancey hadn't come out yet, so this was my 624 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.880 first exposure to Jerome Krebe and I thought he was 625 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.720 like he was a memorable actor from this movie. 626 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:32.960 Oh yeah, even though he's only in here for a 627 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.359 few seconds. What I'm seeing, Yeah, And then veto rugg Reginnis, 628 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.480 I think it is is the guy Carl. He just 629 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.279 shows up with the tow truck, and then he shows 630 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.640 up later on and shoots up the office. And it's 631 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.559 funny because he'll be in next week's movie. When we 632 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.759 talk about Burglar. He's got a little bit larger of 633 00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:49.920 a part, but he's one of those guys where I'm 634 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:53.079 just like, whenever he shows up, I'm like, Okay, I 635 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:54.640 don't know if he's going to be evil or if 636 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.200 he's going to be good, because I want to say 637 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.960 he's the guy that saves the day in Cliffhanger and 638 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.319 throws the briefcase with the money outside of the plane, 639 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.279 and the whole movie wouldn't exist if it wasn't for him. 640 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:07.799 It's a stacked cast. I mean, if you look at 641 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.440 somebody that you recognize from something else. Almost at the 642 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:12.440 point where it became a bit distracting, where it was like, 643 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.200 where are the rest of our office workers? That lovely 644 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.799 camaraderie that she had with all of them, I wanted 645 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.839 to see more of those, And that's why we ended 646 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.279 up feeling like, Yeah, they are trying to plug holes 647 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:29.039 here in a shifting target, and maybe that's what's happening 648 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:31.440 where you've got all these great character actors coming in 649 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.519 for a little bit and then the story just moves 650 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:34.960 away from them and it feels like, no, they're more 651 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:35.960 of a distraction than anything. 652 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.200 I don't find them a distraction I mean, I think 653 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:41.279 it was one of the things I responded to the 654 00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.799 most was that feeling of camaraderie. But it is just work, 655 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.880 Like you know. This is the thing that I think 656 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.680 gets down to the heart of why this movie works 657 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.519 at all, aside from Whoopie Goldberg, is that the initial premise, 658 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.599 in the initial draft whenever that was written, is kind 659 00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.200 of good. It's this idea that you know, like computer 660 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:05.480 like computers are still relatively new, this idea of being 661 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.319 an office drone or in the case of this film, 662 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.400 they're just people who work at a bank literally doing 663 00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:15.119 stuff that within years would just be completely automated. But 664 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:17.880 at this point you actually need to have a whole 665 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.119 room full of people doing nothing but accepting the transfer 666 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.839 of funds from one bank to another, which seems like 667 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.839 the dullest job you can imagine. I mean, it's data entry, 668 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:33.119 and she makes it fun by like striking up these 669 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.039 little relationships. And as you said, Mike, like she's obviously 670 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.680 she's not a slacker, she's not a bad employee. When 671 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.440 mister Page is dressing her down at the beginning, even 672 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:44.720 says like, you're my most productive employee. But whatever it is, 673 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.640 you got a bad attitude or you you know, you 674 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.240 swear at work or whatever it is, you know, and 675 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.759 then he takes out all these transcripts about how or 676 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.279 these printouts about how she's like using the computer time 677 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:58.400 for personal chitchat with these people and that that's unprofessional. 678 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.960 But of course, then to have an MI six agent 679 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:07.559 backing into this what I imagine is very secure, but 680 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.599 secure on a certain level that probably has nothing to 681 00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:15.639 do with however stuff was encrypted for espionage. It's all 682 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.519 like financial encryption or whatever. So he's able to kind 683 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:20.920 of break in there. And that is the cool thing. 684 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.639 And what Penny Marshall said she really responded to when 685 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.480 she initially read the script was just the idea of 686 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:30.039 a woman who's smarter than her job and bored at work. 687 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.159 And everybody understands that. It's a very relatable thing. And 688 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.159 her first thing that she did was like, we got 689 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.360 to make this workplace fun, and that's why she called 690 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.199 in all these favors. I don't know who was cast, 691 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.199 if Carol Caine was already cast, and I mean John 692 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.880 Lovett's like all his character is there in the script, 693 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.039 you know, but obviously Phil Hartman he wasn't cast in 694 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.400 this movie his whole like don't shave with a sickle 695 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.079 baby line, Like all these lines that are just obviously 696 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.440 wild lines or adyrd or improper or whatever are really 697 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.280 really fun. I like that she kind of brings in 698 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:09.719 all this color, all this comedy royalty or pre royalty 699 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.920 to fill out what could be a sort of dull 700 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:14.280 scenario in a bank. 701 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:16.159 But I think the trade off of that then is 702 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.360 that the office is more exciting than the actual mission 703 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:19.079 that she's going on. 704 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.000 So for an awful long time, I was like, I. 705 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:22.519 Want to be back at the office with all those guys, 706 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.679 not with her listening to Mick Jagger lyrics and trying 707 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:30.079 to decipher what the code is. It's funny because there's 708 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.079 so much of this film which is a product of 709 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:33.800 his time, and you look back at it and think 710 00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:36.079 she could just google it. You could just get the 711 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.079 actual lyrics on Google and seconds do you know exactly 712 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.400 what he's trying to send them as a coded message. 713 00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:43.280 But that's what I mean in terms of them being 714 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.920 in distraction, is that they're so entertaining that as soon 715 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.119 as the story shifts away until Gud's coming to play. 716 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.480 But what is it that you want to see, like 717 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.360 you want to see them going out to dinner and stuff, 718 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.800 or you want to see that in an eventual adventure, like. 719 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.159 If you're fun, you see it's need a feast a 720 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:00.679 fall for me. 721 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:06.000 What I really need is somebody like John loving exact competency. 722 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.639 I wish to Stephen Collins character was John Levits, but 723 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.920 obviously Stephen Collins is going to be the villain. And 724 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.760 I got disabused at that notion. But yeah, I just 725 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.000 felt like spiceduff was not as fun or as entertaining 726 00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.280 as the office stuff for the most part. 727 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.599 Well, I agree that Stephen Collins is not a high 728 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.599 point in this movie, like his character. I mean, as 729 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:30.599 a kid, I had no idea. I did not see 730 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.920 that twist coming because I just hadn't seen enough movies 731 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.880 to be able to predict stuff like that, and I'd 732 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.960 only seen them in Star Trek the motion Picture and 733 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.000 probably didn't even make the connection that it was the 734 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:40.519 same guy. 735 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:42.519 And I was again when he was on screen, and 736 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:44.599 that's saying, get off screen, I want to watch corknut you. 737 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:49.000 Well, yeah, everybody felt that. I mean, that was oh. 738 00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.079 Come on, you guys, weren't Tails of the Gold Monkey fans. 739 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.320 Well, that's part of the fun of Motion Star Trek 740 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.960 the motion picture is that rivalry between them, you know, 741 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.519 like and you can tell they're stead of one upping 742 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.440 or you know, anyway, that's a that's another movie. 743 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:03.760 He's no William Riker. 744 00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.679 I know that I would have liked to have seen 745 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.760 Phil Hartman in that role. Like, I think that would 746 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.840 have been a more you know, having Phil Hartman come 747 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.960 down to the police station and bail her out and 748 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.320 talking about how she has Tourette syndrome to get like 749 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.239 that would have been a better casting, I think. But 750 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.760 Phil Hartman was, you know, the guy who wrote with 751 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.840 Paul Rubens. At this point, he hadn't even been on television, 752 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.599 you know, except for that Pee Wee Herman special. He's 753 00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.880 not even credit like if he doesn't get an on 754 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.519 screen credit. If you look at the Wikipedia, he's only 755 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:33.840 listed as by the way, this guy is also in here, 756 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.079 not as like an actual cast member. 757 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:36.800 Yeah. 758 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.119 They miss Speller's name, don't. 759 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:39.199 They, Phil E. 760 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.920 Hartman? Yeah, and they put an extra n at the end. 761 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.599 Yeah. 762 00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:44.119 Yeah. 763 00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.119 The whole thing with Carol Kane, with all the dates 764 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:47.840 that she was on. I was kind of hoping for 765 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.679 more of that or the things where because at the end, 766 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:55.519 Woody Goldberg says to the one woman that's not Carol 767 00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:59.239 Kane in the office, just admit that it's yours or something, 768 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.320 or like she was like basically, oh yeah, Phil Hartman's 769 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.760 character had been sleeping with her and got her pregnant 770 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.280 and oh that was when she was on the The 771 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.280 Truth serum. So she's just letting it all fly. And 772 00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.519 it is funny because at one point there's a security guard, 773 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:16.880 like we have one of a few scenes of what 774 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.719 be after Hours, waiting for Jack to come on so 775 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.239 she can talk with him and figure stuff out. And 776 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.239 you've got a security guard who's just like, oh yeah, 777 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.039 there's just this one woman here, Terry Doolittle, and she 778 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.440 talks to herself all the time. And after he said that, 779 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.119 I was like, fuck, yeah, she does. She tugs herself 780 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:32.679 all the. 781 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:34.519 Fuck you need scene this show. 782 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.239 I mean, with her talking on the computer, I'm like, 783 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.280 oh okay. But then like she leaves that and she's 784 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:43.480 just talking to herself while she's walking down the street, 785 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:47.559 especially where it's like when she's there waiting for Mark 786 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.159 van Meter to show up, She's like, this is great. 787 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:51.039 This is great. 788 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.000 I mean, I'm down here one thirty in the morning 789 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.400 on the docks. I should just pait one hundred dollars 790 00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:57.199 bills on my ass. 791 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.719 The screams victim hands, victim hand till complaints shut up. 792 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.840 Okay, Well, you're just talking all the time, aren't you. 793 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.280 That's one of the only scripted lines like that. I mean, 794 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.840 the first five minutes of this movie are just her 795 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.639 talking to herself through the entire opening credits, and she 796 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.519 never stops. And yeah, that line where she's waiting for 797 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.760 van meter is actually in the script, but it is amazing, 798 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.760 And I do think like that's something going back to 799 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.559 the alternative casting, Like if that had been Shelley Long, 800 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:27.199 I would have shut that. I would have walked out 801 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:28.559 of the theater. I mean, I don't want to hear 802 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.239 Shelley Long talking to herself for ninety minutes the way 803 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.760 I do want to hear wo Pee Goldberg do that. 804 00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:35.559 It would have been a very different character. 805 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.480 Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think Shelley Long would 806 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.280 have been doing that. But I think that it's one 807 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.519 of the ways that this movie kind of cuts through 808 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.239 the narrative to a large extent and it's obviously not 809 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.119 all in post production, Like these are not adr lines. 810 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.679 This is like, this is what she's doing a little bit, 811 00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.199 like turn the camera on, and she is kind of 812 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.159 grounding us in what's going on as she's typing. She 813 00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.719 says different things than what she's typing, like she's having 814 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.800 a conversation with herself, but only like which is like 815 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:04.119 three lines long, but she's. 816 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.119 Only rather than being voiceover in a while. 817 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:08.639 Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's not going on in her head. 818 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:10.760 She's just like an eclective person. And I think that 819 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.280 shot with the security guard is a great addition. I 820 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.320 like it when movies do stuff like that because it 821 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:20.000 reminds you that, like, yes, this is odd that this 822 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.719 woman not only is staying late, that's not the strangest thing. 823 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:25.920 He even says maybe she's trying to get a promotion 824 00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:29.000 or something. But he also is like, yeah, she's wandering around. 825 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.039 She's not just sitting at her computer. She's like pacing 826 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.559 around talking to herself like she's a little cracked. Maybe 827 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.400 you know, people look at her as an odd duck, 828 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.119 which also I think helps kind of sell the idea 829 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.719 that she can get into all these situations, which obviously 830 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.039 you know she never would in real life, but it 831 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.360 feels like more of a fantasy, more of an eccentric character, 832 00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.079 so that when she's like sneaking into the British Consulate 833 00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.000 or talking her way in, You're like, yeah, that would work, 834 00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.199 would be gold would would be able to sneak into 835 00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:00.480 an invitation only party by pretending to be a dress queen. 836 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.400 I mean sure that makes sense. 837 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:06.519 Yeah, with the little tape recorder that's stuck to her, 838 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:07.639 I'm like, okay. 839 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.239 With like a little transistor speaker that like, I'm sure 840 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:11.440 that that went over. 841 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.599 Really the same song and look in the same way 842 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.280 she does in Cis Direct, So I thought, oh, maybe 843 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:17.480 they went to her because of that. 844 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:19.679 It was like, let's get whoope, well or what. 845 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.039 You said, Mike was that she really looks like she 846 00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.239 does in that Moonlighting episode, And you're totally right. I mean, 847 00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.320 the wig, the dress, she looks almost it literally looks 848 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.719 like she ran off the set that one day to 849 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.840 do that Moonlighting episode in that costume. As soon as 850 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:36.559 I read that you had noticed that, I was like, 851 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.760 oh my god, yeah, forgot about that Moonlighting episode. 852 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.880 Well, yeah, because I used devil in a blue dress 853 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.480 through the whole thing, and then she shows up in 854 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.320 a blue dress in this and you get that comic 855 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.559 moment of her dress getting caught in the shredder and 856 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.320 the saber dance starts playing and everything, And I'm like, 857 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:56.039 that's really the most physical type, you know, like overt 858 00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.199 physical comedy that you have in this whole movie. And 859 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.639 I do like the whole idea of like her being 860 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.679 so out of place at the British Consulate. Again, Shelley 861 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.039 Long probably could have, you know, passed, but her Whoopi 862 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.320 Goldberg coming in to the British Consulate where every fucking 863 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.840 person there is white except for like just a few 864 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:16.079 people were. 865 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.559 Cousins by marriage. 866 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.039 Oh yeah, Shellie Long would have just waltzed in there 867 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.079 like no problem, put on a little and she would 868 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.199 have done great in the shredder scene too. 869 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.000 Not only is Whoopi Goldberg such an an outrag character, 870 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.719 but her hair is such a statement as well. And 871 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.880 like even at the beginning in the opening credits when 872 00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.480 she's like brushing her hair and stuff and just like 873 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.400 going kind of crazy with it, I'm like, yeah, that's great, 874 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:41.280 Like I love that not only is she a black woman, 875 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:43.840 but she's a black woman with natural hair, and it's 876 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.719 such a statement especially. I mean it's a statement now, 877 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:49.039 but in nineteen eighty six, that's huge. 878 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.079 She's also a dark skinned black woman, which you don't 879 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.440 get to see that much. Colorism is a thing as 880 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:57.519 well that they have to contend with the African American community. 881 00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.559 When you're talking about that consulate sequenced do that whole 882 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:05.039 set piece, there's some lovely little directorial flourishes that did 883 00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.599 get me where I thought, Oh, it's the director here 884 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.519 that's making me laugh, not the performance. 885 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:10.000 Not the script or whatever. 886 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.119 But it's the moment where the all the equipment starts 887 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.719 beeping and sending off all these different alarms. The security 888 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:18.960 guy gets up from the Benny Hill TV show he's watching, 889 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:21.440 and he walks in and he goes to bend down't 890 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.880 to check a plug or something, and she's under the 891 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.199 table and the way that the camera just panned down 892 00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.039 and she just looks like a deer in headlights. That 893 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:29.800 got me or like before, and I thought, that's a 894 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.039 lovely little directorial moment of selling a joke by Marshall 895 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:33.920 did really good in this. 896 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.800 And also selling a suspense moment. Yeah, like that is 897 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.679 actual suspense moment because you kind of like go like 898 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.239 when he's starting to go down and the camera bends 899 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.320 down with him and she's like, oh my god, she's 900 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:46.840 gonna get caught. Like that's what I mean by the 901 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.079 film does have steaks. 902 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:51.639 It's like an eggorte moment, a little bit of a 903 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.840 directorial gag, but subtle but subtle. 904 00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.119 Well, it was nice to using John Wood and Tony 905 00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:03.119 Hendra as the British guys, because I mean John Wood 906 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.519 but War Games had been out at this point and 907 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.400 so I was more familiar with him as Professor Falcon, 908 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:13.639 where he's like the kindly, grandfatherly type of person. Tony Hendra, 909 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.599 I know, he had been around for a long time, 910 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.599 had done like Lemmings and things at this point, and 911 00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.400 of course spinal tap, but he's great. He's got such 912 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.159 a menace and he doesn't even need to use a 913 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:25.280 crickapad in this one. 914 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:26.280 Yeah. 915 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.280 John Wood is also in Purple Rows of Cairo. He's 916 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.840 one of the main characters in the movie. Within the 917 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:33.559 movie of that, I think he's the guy who goes 918 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.519 like I hope you like Yama Tini's very dry, which 919 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.679 is like a scene that's repeated often. There, he's in 920 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.840 Choc a Lot, the Juliet Pinoche movie, He's in the 921 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:47.480 Ian McKellen Richard the Third, that sort of quasi contemporary version. 922 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.639 He had a lot of good eighties and early nineties movies, 923 00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:55.880 but yeah, Professor Falcon is probably the most iconic because 924 00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.599 it's such a late introduction to a character that you 925 00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.119 hear about from the very beginning. I watched that movie 926 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.559 not too long ago when Dabney Coleman passed away. I 927 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.079 had a lot of people over. I have a thirty 928 00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.880 five milimeter print of that movie, and that movie still plays, 929 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:12.960 so damn well, that is a great, great little eighties 930 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.079 gem of a movie. Even though like the technology is 931 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:22.159 totally forty plus years old, it feels very timely and 932 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.480 interesting ways like a good movie. 933 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.519 Well, there's one thing about eighties comedies. It's the Hollywood 934 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.320 eighty eighties comedies that I really like, and I wish 935 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.119 we'd get back to them. Well, just in general, I 936 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.199 wish we'd make more comedies. 937 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:34.000 Back to comedies. 938 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.880 Yeah, I missed them, but there was a grit to 939 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:41.280 eighties comedies where the characters were aspirational versus where we 940 00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.960 were up until the twenty tens, where the films themselves 941 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.840 were aspirational, where you were looking and thinking, I wish 942 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.719 I had their life. But in this like the apartments 943 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:51.880 aren't too flashy, they don't look like they've got a 944 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.000 lot of money to spare. There are thrifty characters, and 945 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.280 I like that. I like that there's that texture to 946 00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.559 the films where they feel lived in and they feel 947 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:03.159 like these are one of the mill working class characters 948 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:06.079 who've probably gotten themselves into predictment that's beyond their capabilities. 949 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.320 That's far more enjoyable that it works so much better 950 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:11.119 for comedy, and I love that about eighties films like 951 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:12.960 This had that as well, where you know, she's in 952 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.519 a frigid apartment and she's just getting buoye working in 953 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:16.039 linked to Flave. 954 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:18.800 What a perfect way to set the character up to 955 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.559 she wakes up, she has no heat in her apartment, 956 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.800 and she's wearing fifteen layers of clothes, and like the 957 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:26.920 whole opening of the movie is her like taking these 958 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.599 clothes off, trying to stay warm while she's like brushing 959 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.239 her teeth and getting ready for work, and then she's 960 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:32.000 got to run for the. 961 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:33.880 Bus and all that stuff while she gets involved in 962 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:35.239 a Cold War espionage. 963 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.480 Yeah, exactly, exactly. No, that's the sort of everyman aspect 964 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:42.400 of eighties comedies was great, and I think then you 965 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:46.239 get this other layer though, of Whoopy Goldberg playing and 966 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:50.280 every man character, except she's like Whoopy Goldberg. There's no 967 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.960 other person like her on screen, any on any screen 968 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:56.880 at this point. So she's like an everyman and also 969 00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.880 a complete outsider, which is an interesting man. 970 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.679 What it is interesting too that she doesn't have a friend, 971 00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:09.239 she doesn't have the sidekick in this movie, because we'll 972 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:11.159 see that as we go through the rest of this month, 973 00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:14.079 especially with the last film with Theodore Rex where she 974 00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.920 got a fucking dinosaur as her partner in that one. 975 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:18.360 I haven't seen that one. 976 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:20.760 Oh boy, you're in for a treat. Let me tell 977 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:21.079 you that. 978 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.119 I'm sure she hasn't seen anydo. 979 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.079 But she doesn't have that other person, so then her 980 00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.920 talking to herself makes a lot more sense. But she 981 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.079 uses people or has people when she needs them. She's 982 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.920 got Annie Potts when she needs her. She's got Stephen 983 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.719 Collins when she needs him. But she doesn't really take 984 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.960 anybody too much into her orbit. You know, it's very 985 00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:46.079 much just her alone, facing off against all of this stuff. 986 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.679 And yeah, to your point, she seems very capable. I 987 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.599 like too that when we see her in her apartment, 988 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.719 there's a lot of old movie posters around. She's got 989 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:57.159 you know, tapes and all these things, but it doesn't 990 00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.360 define her and it doesn't become this thing where it's like, oh, oh, well, 991 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.719 that sounds like the plot of Sahara and I'm gonna 992 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:04.719 have to do this, this and this. It's like, no, no, 993 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.960 She's not like the lonely woman with the spy novels 994 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:11.599 who then gets thrust into a spy caper or something 995 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:13.639 like that. I'm like, okay, we're going to see that, 996 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.079 and like Romancing the Stone and those kind of things, 997 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.079 but where they do it very well. But then you 998 00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.039 get movies like Argyle where it's like, oh, okay, yeah, 999 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.480 maybe this isn't the best thing to do. That's like 1000 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:27.480 the last real female led adventure film that I can 1001 00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:28.599 think of offhand. 1002 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.079 But there are still echoes of that in the film 1003 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.960 as it stands. Because that was a moment that stood 1004 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.360 out to me where she's watching Love Affair and she's 1005 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.880 just enraptured with this Love Affair on screen, and that 1006 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.679 feels like a character's longing for that kind of relationship 1007 00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:44.960 in their life, and that to me feels like it 1008 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.559 was probably an echo of the Nancy mos Shelley Long 1009 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:48.480 draft and. 1010 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.159 The Casablanca poster on the wall too. I feel like 1011 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.719 that's obviously from Nancy Myers and Childs Shire, Like, you know, 1012 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.559 it's almost feels like a Nora Efron set up in 1013 00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.599 that situation where it's like, yeah, this is a woman 1014 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.880 who lives alone and she watches old movies and eats 1015 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:05.760 ice cream in bed. And in the script, it's interesting 1016 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.360 that the Carol Kine character and her have much more 1017 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.960 of a rival, which you can picture Shelley Long, you know, 1018 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.920 like Carol Kine is much more of like a slutty 1019 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.039 character in the script and not a cute pixie like 1020 00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:21.719 I mean, it's the same dialogue, but when Stephen Collins 1021 00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.199 is over at her house after the whole incident with 1022 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.000 the Gary Marshall cop, that character notices that Stephen Collins 1023 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.079 was in her apartment, it starts to get jealous, and 1024 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.559 there's even a line where she's like, I'm going to 1025 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:34.719 make a play for him, unless I'm stepping on your 1026 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.159 territory and Terry's like, what are you talking about? He's married. 1027 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.000 Like they still have the joke too, where she's like, 1028 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:42.639 you know, welcome to our little family. Oh, I see 1029 00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:47.599 you've got a little family. Well, shit, welcome anyway, you know, 1030 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.519 like that's in the script, but then she picks it 1031 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:52.800 up again later on where and like, so I do 1032 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.840 feel like those characters, even though there aren't so many 1033 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.000 of them, and the artists developed the actual like John 1034 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:03.599 Lovet's character and Carol Kane character are maybe slightly larger 1035 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:07.800 presence in the screenplay as it were, because if it's 1036 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.159 Shelley Long, you kind of get the feeling that she 1037 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:14.000 really is one of these people, whereas Whoopy Goldberg does 1038 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.800 feel like some bit of an outsider, you know, like 1039 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:20.960 she's not part of any of these worlds to a 1040 00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.840 certain to a huge extent, but she's also not really 1041 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.599 a woman who sits alone watching romantic old movies on TV, 1042 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:29.840 except that she's got nothing else to do. You feel 1043 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.480 like it's more like insomnia with Whoopy Goldberg than it 1044 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:33.719 is some kind of longing. 1045 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:43.000 I wonder what was the twoth portion to David Mammadraft. 1046 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.400 The Giant Toothbrush that she used it. 1047 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.119 The trailer starts with that, like you know, like that's 1048 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.039 like the first image you see in the trailers are 1049 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.639 opening the door with a giant toothbrush and going, Hey. 1050 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.000 To your point, what you're saying about her being alone character, 1051 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:55.519 it's sort of to me when she mentioned her motor 1052 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:57.960 and I thought, oh, she actually has a motor. I 1053 00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.840 wonder what her mother is like. And you don't really 1054 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.800 see family members in will Bigberg films. She's always a 1055 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:07.079 force of nature, just this individualistic character who draws all 1056 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.079 the focus. But yeah, I found that interesting because I 1057 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.800 thought to myself, I wonder what her family life is like. 1058 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.119 In Ghost, her mother is dead, Like there's the whole 1059 00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:16.840 backstory of her mother really had the gift to talk 1060 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.519 to go. Yeah, and she's got her sisters, but like 1061 00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:21.920 she's kind of living in her mother's shadow because she's 1062 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.440 a charlatan and we assume her mother really was a 1063 00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:26.920 psychic and then all of a sudden, she's got this 1064 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.280 psychic power for the first time. So there's like, yeah, 1065 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.559 but I but in general, you're right, and certainly like 1066 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:35.840 in Burglar and Fatal Beauty, like she doesn't have family, 1067 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.679 like she does feel outside of the sort of realm 1068 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:40.440 of normalcy. 1069 00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.519 It's good to see that as well, though, to have 1070 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:44.719 that version of a character. 1071 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.559 I'm curious about the editing because I believe in that 1072 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.599 Penny Marshall book she talks about bringing in two editors 1073 00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.239 to help her with the final cut, because it's Mark 1074 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:54.480 Goldblad is credited. 1075 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.719 He left after the first cut, which she wasn't happy with, 1076 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.960 and she was big friends with James Brooks, and she 1077 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.840 brought his editor, Richard Marx in and another guy whose 1078 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.000 name I didn't recognize, but Richard marx you know cut 1079 00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.840 terms of endearment and broadcast news and a lot of 1080 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:14.679 romantic comedies, and they definitely do you know all those 1081 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.559 scenes we were talking about that are in the script 1082 00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:19.199 that are like plot scenes, You can sort of feel 1083 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.800 how like those scenes must have melted away, the scene 1084 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.880 in the alleyway with the frying pan, like these these 1085 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.599 things that are that might have sold the espionage story 1086 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.280 better in theory but not in practice, and probably would 1087 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.239 have maybe not in practice even with a Shelley Long 1088 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.199 or another actor in there. You get the feeling that 1089 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.119 it's trying to bring out more heart. 1090 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:42.480 I think, all right, guys, Let's go ahead and take 1091 00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:44.920 a break, and we'll be back with an interview with 1092 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:49.239 the original screenwriter of Jump and Jack Flash, David H. Franzoni. 1093 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:51.760 Right after these brief messages. 1094 00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.960 Get ready to dive deep into the life, career, and 1095 00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:01.239 unforgettable moments of the one and only Chevy Chase. Join 1096 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.519 us on an exciting journey through the illustrious career of 1097 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:09.239 this comedy icon as we explore his groundbreaking roles, behind 1098 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:13.519 the scenes stories, and timeless contributions to the world of entertainment. 1099 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:18.320 Each episode of the Chasing chevy Chase podcast brings you 1100 00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:23.400 expert analysis and nostalgic reflections on Chevy Chase's most iconic 1101 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:28.920 characters in classic films like National Lampoon's Vacation, Caddy Shack, 1102 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:33.719 and Fletch. Whether you're a diehard Chevy Chase aficionado or 1103 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.760 simply curious about the man behind the laughter, Chasing chevy 1104 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.280 Chase is your go to podcast for all things Chevy Chase. 1105 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.719 Tune in and join the conversation as we celebrate the 1106 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:48.440 life and legacy of a true Hollywood legend. Don't miss out. 1107 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.239 Subscribe now to Chasing chevy Chase wherever you get your 1108 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.480 podcasts and let the adventure begin. 1109 00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:05.280 Can you tell me about some of your adventures and 1110 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:06.679 how you got into screenwriting. 1111 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.599 Actually, I drove out of graduate school that was a 1112 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.880 geology major. We're have emphasis and vertebrate pialeontology. Just so 1113 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:18.599 we get this strip. I go stroll. I just was 1114 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.000 you know, the sixties had ended, in the seventies were 1115 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:25.920 coming on, and those two periods of time were as 1116 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.880 far as I'm concerned. Yes, so your head was very free. 1117 00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:32.280 And a friend of mine said, hey, let's go around 1118 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.400 with all the motorcycles. That's done, you know, I said sure. 1119 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.039 So we sold everything and there were three bikes and 1120 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.440 we went to West Berlin picked up the bikes and 1121 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.880 they were to North America smoke cash and not what East, 1122 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:50.400 and I hitched up with the betrayal. In fact, I'm 1123 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.960 working on a product right now about this. And you know, 1124 00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:58.000 I just went all the way to Australia and it 1125 00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:00.719 was the best thing that ever happened my life. You know, 1126 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:07.360 the music scene was unexpected, like everything there, all our 1127 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:10.199 music we you know, the the evolvement of music in 1128 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:14.480 the West had become a revolution in the East, and. 1129 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:19.960 You know the end of the Hippie Trail, and the 1130 00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:24.960 end of that movement, the end of the spiritual travels 1131 00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.880 came when they executed Penron, who was this really cute 1132 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.920 little rock and roll singer in Cambodia, and they started 1133 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.800 showing their clubs down and arresting bands and and that 1134 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:40.320 that you can't go back. 1135 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.199 You can't go back. The Hippie Trails. One of the 1136 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.079 most dangerous places on earth right now. But it was 1137 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.880 fantastic while it was alive, and it was very much 1138 00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.119 alive in the sixties and seventies. And I was there 1139 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.519 in the seventies, and you know that's why I came. 1140 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.039 You may know, I can't put the idea for gladiare H. 1141 00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:57.039 I was living in Baghdad. 1142 00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.719 When did you decide? You know what, I'm good with 1143 00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:02.519 the pantology. I think I'm going to go work on 1144 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:03.119 some writing. 1145 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.400 Being dishonest with myself all my life and in writing 1146 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:10.039 all my life. And I've read Ink she Wells the 1147 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:13.239 time Machine. When I was a little little kid, and 1148 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:16.280 the whole idea that you could take a pen and 1149 00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.039 create a worlds went to blew my mind. It never 1150 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.760 really left me. It was revived. I grew up in 1151 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.679 a small town in Vermont, and what you had at 1152 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:29.320 the movies were Roger Cordin or you know what's the names, oh, 1153 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.719 John Wayne movies Ford. That was the choice. I mean, 1154 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:34.679 I prefer to Rodne Corman being houst with you, because 1155 00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.880 he was much more like you know. But I got 1156 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.880 to college and I just still to remember the night 1157 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:42.880 that my roommates said, Hey, we're going to go see 1158 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.440 a stupid little movie called Lostrata. And I had never 1159 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:49.880 heard of it, you know, being a potoun from Vermont, 1160 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:54.960 and but that was changed my life. I said, Jesus Christ, 1161 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.719 you can pray worlds, and not just worlds, but you 1162 00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:03.079 can control people, worlds everything. This is like, you know, 1163 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.599 to do a movie like Lestrada and have it work. 1164 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.119 I mean, come on, you know that that's amazing. 1165 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.360 So that's when did you decide, Hey, I'm gonna start 1166 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:16.039 writing screenplays or were those on the trip? On the 1167 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:19.199 trip so did you have to pick up, like, you know, 1168 00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.039 the books and figure out the screenplay format or you 1169 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.840 just thought then you just we're in the stars. 1170 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.960 That seens somebody, you know, Gladiator, you know, Landfills if 1171 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.159 you will, and so much of the graffiti and the sculptures, 1172 00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:35.719 and you know, I was in Italy and Anatolia by 1173 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.320 the time I got the bag dabb Actually I was 1174 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.599 on the Yeah, I was on bank that a girl 1175 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:42.599 gave me and we traded. I traded a book on 1176 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.760 the Irish Revolution, which I wish I still had with 1177 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:47.920 the book called Those About the Guy, which is now 1178 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.559 you know, a TV series and blah blah blah. And 1179 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.840 that's It's not that Gladiator was based on those about 1180 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.519 to Die, but what Those about the Die did was 1181 00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:02.360 created a direct wire between them and us, and so 1182 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:06.119 it wasn't me studying them, it was me being them. 1183 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.480 And that's when I thought, hey, I got to write 1184 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.679 a movie about a bladdier. So if I if I 1185 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.599 ever become a writer, I ever become a screenwriter, we's 1186 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:16.719 to Varno Gladiator and it happen'ed. 1187 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:18.960 So it was glad to gto your first screenplay. 1188 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.679 You know, the first one to sell was Jumping Jack Flash, 1189 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.880 but I had written a couple before that, Leaster maybe three. 1190 00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:31.960 I wrote one on mercenaries in the Belgian Congo. We'll 1191 00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:35.039 get the Jumping Unit Flash, but you know that that 1192 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:36.599 was that I'll be the first one that got made. 1193 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:38.400 It's my first when I wrote them. 1194 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:41.400 Where did the idea for Tempa Jack Flash come from? 1195 00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:42.639 And what was it originally? 1196 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:45.239 Well, it was not a comedy. I mean, it would 1197 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:49.320 have goodheaded moments, but it wasn't a comedy. This stury 1198 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.239 the okay. I got the idea from an article on 1199 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:57.320 the walls figure about transferring funds to banks at night. 1200 00:58:58.079 --> 00:58:59.840 And this is when you still had to have somebody 1201 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:03.559 eat it, push a button yes, no, left right, whether 1202 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.960 they couldn't just automate everything, and so there were there's 1203 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.760 sort of these people who did that, and Terry the 1204 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:14.239 girl and jem j Flash was was that girl. And 1205 00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.480 I thought, well, what happens if something comes in on 1206 00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.480 your computer that you're totally not expecting, and you know, 1207 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:24.239 changes your life and nobody believes you. They think you're insane, 1208 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:28.280 and maybe you think you're insane. And so that's where 1209 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.800 that came from. So with my first Saddle to the 1210 00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:36.119 lad Company, every buddon had a problem with it in 1211 00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.679 that it was a love story, but it never met 1212 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:41.159 the guy in the original, and you didn't meet the 1213 00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:43.199 guy until the very end, I think in the current 1214 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:45.960 when they did the same one that exists. I mean, 1215 00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:49.159 I must have met with every big director and I 1216 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:51.840 had no idea that it was making the impression that 1217 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.960 was made. Everybody wanted to find a way to make it, 1218 00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:57.599 except they didn't want to do it the way I 1219 00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:59.760 thought that should be done, because who the fucking mind? 1220 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:03.519 So I kept saying, I remember, I'm meeting with one 1221 01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:06.440 director and they keep asking you. It's like, you know, well, 1222 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.880 what is it? You know, it's like subtext? Is this 1223 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.559 Gone with the Wind? Is this space odyssey? You know? 1224 01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:13.559 Is this whatever? 1225 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:13.840 You know? 1226 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.800 And then funny, I picked this script up and I said, 1227 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:19.679 this is what it is, and I just banged it 1228 01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:21.440 down on the table. I was like, you know, guys, 1229 01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:23.840 that's what you gotta make. You want to make it 1230 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:26.840 otherwise do something else. But I was lollig wrong. So 1231 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:31.519 you know, they you know, they look I don't. I 1232 01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:33.480 don't hate what they do with it. I thought it 1233 01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:35.719 was sort of fun. And the rock video with Keith 1234 01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:39.079 Richard's and Aretha Frankl was to die for. So what 1235 01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:40.719 they do was they sort of covered up the fact 1236 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:42.880 that they couldn't find a way to bring the lovers 1237 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.679 together or the lovers could, you know, with the jokes 1238 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:48.679 and stupid ship and that that's what they usually do 1239 01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:50.880 that you know, it's like a cat bearing its ship, right, 1240 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.000 they just you know, keep moving stuff around to you 1241 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.760 dune veldous anymore. But what I what I I was 1242 01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:59.000 sort of sad was that, I know, aunt of trouble 1243 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:03.119 of creating this profile of Jemmy jack Flash, who was 1244 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:05.480 you know, a young kid because I was a kid 1245 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.480 in the sixties, so I meant him a kid in 1246 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:11.000 the sixties. He was a radio operator in the Congolese Wars, 1247 01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:12.880 and you know, I thought i'd, you know, i'd bring 1248 01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.920 up stuff that probably not a lot of people knew 1249 01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:19.039 much about. Let's talk about it, because the Congolese Wars 1250 01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.840 were you didn't want to be on certain sides. It was, 1251 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.280 you know, a fucking mess. But that's okay. I wanted 1252 01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:30.639 it to be a fucking mess. And his predicament was 1253 01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:34.480 the result of his life being a fucking mess. And 1254 01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:37.000 and the only person he can talk to was this 1255 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:40.880 girl working the midnight shift of the bank. And so 1256 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.559 the idea is is, you know, can she saved him not? 1257 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.159 Do they fall in love and get married with the problems, Well, 1258 01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:48.840 none of they got to fall in love and if 1259 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:53.320 they do, but can she save him? Is she being used? 1260 01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:56.880 Is she going nuts? You know? Well, you know those 1261 01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.280 are the questions. It had to be a girl because 1262 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.320 I was sick of hearing seeing movies about men heroes 1263 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.559 and women are much more clever and you know, more 1264 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.679 strong anyway, So I wanted to see how she would 1265 01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:14.079 grapple with this. And I thought that obviously everybody liked 1266 01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.320 the draft. I did because everybody wanted to do it, 1267 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:17.519 but nobody wanted to do it. 1268 01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:20.639 So were you just kind of shopping it all around? 1269 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:23.400 And no, none at all? You know, I didn't have 1270 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.079 an agent. I mean I I'd written a specscript that 1271 01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.360 was a billy action piece that brought me with Cea 1272 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:33.800 seeing it was just starting up. They were the action piece, 1273 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:37.400 and went, yes, so we need so they signed me. 1274 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:41.199 But I was just finishing Jumping Jack Flash and so 1275 01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:44.480 one person got it to a lad company that was it, 1276 01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.679 and they bought it and shopped it anywhere. I mean 1277 01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.519 Sissy's basic Greta and hired me to write a project 1278 01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:54.360 for her, WHICHOK, a meeting with Sissy, I came out 1279 01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:57.000 and this little al form brold in a you know, 1280 01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.320 just a fun little car that I rebuilt the engine 1281 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.079 myself in the back there and I had flat hire 1282 01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.199 so I opened the trump and the spear was flat. 1283 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:08.760 I heard of the meeting was good. The next week 1284 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:10.639 I had six figures in the back, so it worked. 1285 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:14.480 You went down the hippie trayal. So, obviously you can 1286 01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:17.400 be in uncomfortable situations, but it feels like Hollywood is 1287 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:18.559 such a different situation. 1288 01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:23.159 Okay. Vermont was the most conservative state naming that never 1289 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:26.559 voted for a democratic pression until What's gold Water came 1290 01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:30.559 on and they couldn't do that. Vermont is obviously legendarily 1291 01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:35.119 now very liberal socialists. They support the YPJ and Syria. 1292 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:39.000 It's like, you know, so for me when I came 1293 01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:43.480 out here, I remember I woke up in this apartment 1294 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:45.360 that somebody had set me up with it. I drove 1295 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:46.480 there in the night and I woke up in the 1296 01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:50.039 morning and it was like filthy air and palm trees. 1297 01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:55.440 I'm fucking still in Bagdad, like nothing has changed except 1298 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:59.679 they speak my language. So my feeling on being out 1299 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:03.639 here was a bit of contempt because there were so 1300 01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:07.480 many people lying about everything they were doing and not 1301 01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:10.960 living in the hours you know, getting for eleven and 1302 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:14.599 you know that kind of stuff. So I didn't really 1303 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.559 I didn't really knix to the town. I felt like 1304 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:20.039 I was still on the at the trail. 1305 01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.320 So after the Lad Company buys it, they seemed to 1306 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.519 still have problems with it. Do they say, Okay, well 1307 01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:30.480 thanks Dave, we'll get back to you eventually, or we're 1308 01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:32.920 just going to hire another writer or how did that go? 1309 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:37.079 They brought her director in, Michael at Ted and you know, 1310 01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:41.039 we had the same problem, which was trying to bend 1311 01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:45.679 it into somebody else's shape instead of just going, hey, 1312 01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.440 you know what this is different, let's just fucking shut 1313 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.960 up and shoot it. So what he did was he 1314 01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:53.239 fired me and hired a female buyer, I think a 1315 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.679 female and figure it out because the lead character, she 1316 01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:58.920 totally destroyed it and it probably wasn't her fault. I 1317 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.079 can't remember her name. This is the joke. The girl 1318 01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:05.960 who showed her to the Lad Company was working at 1319 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.920 Fox at the time. She'd shurek as Sherry Lanson and 1320 01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:13.079 Sherry pooh poo. And then with the Lad Company they 1321 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.800 bought it. Then Fox bought it back from the Lad Company. 1322 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.239 It made it. I mean what I could assumed you 1323 01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.119 the middleman, you know, after. 1324 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.000 They brought in this new writer, where you're just completely 1325 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:25.480 out of it. 1326 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:27.760 Yeah, I mean, I'm like glad that it was a 1327 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:29.760 good guy and he kept me appraised of what was 1328 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.280 going on. He sent me drafts and stuff, and I 1329 01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.639 like Gareth Wigan who was the lad Company and Laddie, 1330 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:36.760 I mean they were it was. It was a family 1331 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:40.239 sort of thing over there, so nobody totally cut me out. 1332 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.159 So the next time you encounter it is that at 1333 01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:44.280 the premiere. 1334 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:47.800 I mean London, working with Bob Swain. I wrote him, 1335 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:50.639 but Bob I just wanted to say czar for lav Alones. 1336 01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:55.480 He's in town in Hollywood, you know, basking by some 1337 01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:57.239 swimming pool, and I go to see him and we 1338 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.559 he likes the script and working on so to develop, 1339 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:04.559 but he wants me to be in Paris, and which 1340 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:06.960 is okay whatever. So I go over to Paris for 1341 01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:10.599 quite a long time, and in the middle of that 1342 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.039 quite a long time, he starts to make half Moon 1343 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:18.679 Street the Sigournia weaver Michael Caine. So shove our butts 1344 01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:21.719 to London and and while I'm in London, I got 1345 01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:24.920 a call from my agent saying they were casting will 1346 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.639 be go over And I said, well she's great, that's 1347 01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:31.639 that's this is now a comedy and yes, of course, 1348 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:33.599 and I said, okay, well, I said she's great. I said. 1349 01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:35.599 The only thing is, you know, like this guy is 1350 01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:37.599 supposed to be jumping jack fly, I supposed to be 1351 01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:40.639 hiding in Albania. I think, you know, some black guys 1352 01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:44.119 is going to stand out pretty much in the Albania landscape. 1353 01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.840 And her her time was what was oh real quick 1354 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.679 staff they fixed everything else. So that's why I knew 1355 01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:52.199 I would go to the premiere and see what were 1356 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:54.840 your thoughts. Well, then I was a big premiere, a 1357 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:57.599 lot of fun. You know. It was you know, it 1358 01:06:57.639 --> 01:06:59.599 wasn't gonna hurt me, but you know, look like you 1359 01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:01.559 can't be rush. She had to, you know, to move on. 1360 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.360 What was the project you were working on with Bob Swain? 1361 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.000 I was called La Gold I think that was the 1362 01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:09.960 working title. It was about the heist piece. It was, 1363 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:12.480 you know, knocking out a bank or something. It did 1364 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:16.679 change a lot, but Bob them Bobo is he couldn't. 1365 01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:20.880 He didn't want me writing by myself and he didn't 1366 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.480 have time to write. So I called the executive student 1367 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.119 and said that maybe I should go home because we 1368 01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.880 were spending a lot of money over here. Ya. No, no, no, 1369 01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:32.639 let's go for us. So I'm stuck in Paris. And 1370 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.599 I loved it. I mean I loved Paris. I really 1371 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.360 really got into Paris. And the fact that I'm doing 1372 01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:42.360 it probably now a script that I wrote about the 1373 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:49.000 years on Rooney the Suvi poet and a Mulloch the 1374 01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:54.599 French rapper wants to direct it a finance and you know, 1375 01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:56.599 they just got to cast it and again, going and 1376 01:07:56.679 --> 01:08:01.800 then I'll be back is great. It was running with 1377 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.599 a French crowd because Bomb was so busy doing what 1378 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:08.079 he was doing. And I learned so much about the 1379 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:12.519 makeup of the Parisian character. They had that one one 1380 01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:16.239 phrase I remember not called the crushed people and the 1381 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.399 quant sea people or something. They're crushed people. They were 1382 01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.279 the ones who always wore suits and the girls always 1383 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.800 wore like school suits and they but they were like 1384 01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:28.079 they crushed in their society and they they well, you know, 1385 01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:31.279 I had ninety of these and anyways, so that that 1386 01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:32.640 was a fantastic experience. 1387 01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:35.039 How did Citizen Cone come to you? 1388 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:39.520 Okay, we're probabuct on Diligent and then John Millius was 1389 01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:43.359 my my overlord if you will, which was a lot 1390 01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:48.399 of fun and I love Mollis and okay, what it 1391 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:50.640 was was so this was it there. So there were 1392 01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:53.319 there were problems with the script and the writers are 1393 01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:55.720 about to go on story. So I told the studio 1394 01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:57.880 I said, look, I'll go through it and clean it up, 1395 01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:00.960 but you gotta pay me for a polish over his 1396 01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.000 backdate that jacker whatever, and I mean we got it 1397 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.840 in the fluid stride. So what I did was I 1398 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:10.760 rewrote the entire thing talk a bottle for almost nothing. 1399 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:14.399 Now it blew them awa when I went from a 1400 01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:16.720 script was very problematical to one that was ready to go. 1401 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:19.319 So THEO I wanted to do it with then ADC 1402 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:21.560 or CBS. He said it was doing a dilient thing 1403 01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:24.079 or something, so I said no. So then I saw 1404 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:25.880 they had gotten the rights to Citizen Cone. I said, 1405 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:28.039 we would like to do Citizen Cone. They said we 1406 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.039 want Fred Pearson to do it, and I said, okay, 1407 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:32.680 well whatever, and then they followed me and said, Frank's 1408 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:34.279 too expensive. What do you do like? I said, yes, 1409 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:37.359 I earned the right with HBO, you know, as I 1410 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:41.239 you know, and anyway, so it was I alerted a 1411 01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:44.239 lot from that experience of HBO too. 1412 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:48.359 So did I ReadWrite that you wrote the Hannibal movie 1413 01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:50.479 that's been trying to get made for a long time. 1414 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:53.439 Right, well, I wrote the one that's being made is 1415 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:55.640 not the one I wrote, all right, I wrote one 1416 01:09:55.680 --> 01:10:00.039 for a Vin Diesel. It's a brilliant story. Denzel. I 1417 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.319 was too old. He should be playing Amokar the father 1418 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:08.319 and he's African and the Hannibal was Phoenician. You know, however, 1419 01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:12.720 a Vin Diesel racially was actually sort of perfect, you know, 1420 01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.199 kind of a nominals. You know, he's like, he's dark, 1421 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.359 but he's not exactly African. He's not exactly he was. 1422 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:21.920 He would be like, okay, so if the Phoenicians had 1423 01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.880 moved to North Africa for a couple of centuries, they'd 1424 01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:27.840 look like Vin. So we went through a lot of them. 1425 01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.640 I'm not saying actually the equal to it. We would 1426 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.840 spend a lot of time trying to sort out what 1427 01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:36.920 the army would look like, whether we have sub Sidharan Africans, 1428 01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:40.079 and yes we we we did, and we should have 1429 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:45.239 because you know, Ethiopia was an area presently. When you 1430 01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:47.359 when you watch a movie on ancient Greece, you never 1431 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:50.239 seen what he's black. But there were England boys. They 1432 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:55.760 were called the Ethiopians because they were and it's like 1433 01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:58.319 so as but you know they still a'll do it. 1434 01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:00.279 You know, it's like, hey, how many blacks did you see? 1435 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:02.640 And Glad here too? Yeah? Who was? I mean the 1436 01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.880 Briddles issue was we were every great director in town. 1437 01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:08.359 Here was like Joe and Jack flash for a due 1438 01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:11.159 and all calling me and going in a world this 1439 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.520 is great. Ron Howard, who I knew from years ago anyway, 1440 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:17.319 and Michael Man and you know, we just call it 1441 01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:20.079 because they wanted to get involved with it was a 1442 01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:21.960 great just like you're saying, it was a great idea. 1443 01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:24.760 And then I see, you know, I see the agents 1444 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.880 who we no longer is a Wither of course, because 1445 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:30.880 the guys whatever talked him into doing Riddick instead of Hanmile. 1446 01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:35.039 It's like, okay, so now you're going to make yourself 1447 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:39.840 into a tent pole hero and remove the possibility of 1448 01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.119 doing now because if you're going to do ritic, you're 1449 01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.840 not going well. We tried for years. In fact, it's 1450 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:50.279 a great story. A friend of mine, Chris Grucci, was 1451 01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:53.560 that Hell's Angels and then he was Angels and he 1452 01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:57.840 went to work for Tippy Hedrin, who has the animal 1453 01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:03.039 sanctuary north of there, and they had just got Timbo, 1454 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:08.479 this male bull elephant that was the biggest dual elephant 1455 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:12.640 in North America. Half of him. Chris was, you know 1456 01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:14.119 he was. He got a job there and he was 1457 01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:16.880 taking care of the elephant. Yeah, the Angels come in 1458 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:21.359 and they said, look, I can't be at the clubhouse. 1459 01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.119 I got to give Timbo twenty four to seven. They said, 1460 01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:27.319 we got gray. So one day Chris had a very 1461 01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.560 bad accident and I thought of his motorcycle. I thought 1462 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.920 his motorcycles. Motorcycle of a tree. He fell into a gully. 1463 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:35.520 Then the most like I fell on top of them, 1464 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:37.399 and he was pretty messed up, and he was in 1465 01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.720 this wack award getting drugs, and so we got to 1466 01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.439 see him. And the second time I go to seeing 1467 01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:45.359 the doctor pulls me aside, used to look, you know this, 1468 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:49.319 this obviously got brain damage and I said, no, I 1469 01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:50.840 can't wait for you to explain that to me. Well, 1470 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.199 what do you mean, he said, he claims it an 1471 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:56.239 elephant team and then Vin Diesel was sending him around 1472 01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.079 the world to collect elephants, and I said, you know, 1473 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:03.079 biggest now practice suit in history coming up. It was 1474 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:07.640 an elephant trainer, and Vin Diesel did sit to cos 1475 01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:10.920 the guy was gonna that was pace maker. We're gonna 1476 01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:14.279 ball up. But look, in this town, you never know 1477 01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.359 who you're talking to. He's at the elephant. 1478 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.159 How much in movement did you have with glennyat or two? 1479 01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:23.880 Noting that a lot, I mean a lot of my 1480 01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:26.359 stuff found its way in there. To leave it at that, 1481 01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:32.800 although contextually misused was miking. You know a lot of 1482 01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:36.319 reviews have noticed that beat by beat by beat, it's 1483 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:40.560 the same script with different people, and I just think, look, 1484 01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:43.199 I think the bottom line is what no one seemed 1485 01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:47.000 to understand is the Glady order was about Russell. It's 1486 01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:50.520 about Maximus. This is Maxillus. It's not about let'sically you 1487 01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:53.279 sure gliders in there. It's thereism. It's not about them. 1488 01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.279 It's about max. So I'm not going to play because 1489 01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:59.159 I had to separated races ladder. I'm running a stage play. 1490 01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:03.359 I'm glad here and it's called Max and I think 1491 01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:05.840 it's pretty great. And when I find out shortening when 1492 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:07.800 I take it out. I had to go to Paramount 1493 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:10.640 first and give them a chance to invest. I mean, 1494 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.560 I little look I lighted Gladier too. Yeah, I do. 1495 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:17.600 I like I love seeing the people that I remember 1496 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:22.319 from the first one. I do feel strongly that a 1497 01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:24.880 lot of what I created is zoom there, and I 1498 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:29.000 think Ridley is one of the greatest shooters out period. 1499 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.680 We had a great time Laia what I mean they 1500 01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:33.680 it was a nightmare, but we have a lot of fun. 1501 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:35.760 What was nightmarish about it? 1502 01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:38.920 Well, they didn't think they had. There was a script 1503 01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.680 they got. I flew to New York, sorry, flew to London. 1504 01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.720 We were getting ready to have a read through, and 1505 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:47.880 I was a friend stody because I created I brought 1506 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.039 the steed and so they couldn't get rid of it. 1507 01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:54.720 And they still can't. And so I mentioned to the crowd. 1508 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:56.479 I said, look, there's a problem, big problem of this. 1509 01:14:57.239 --> 01:14:59.680 He said, well, you know, it's a big round this 1510 01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:02.399 iss sheet blah blah blah. And they didn't see it 1511 01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.239 that way. Says okay, well, and I'm out voted. So 1512 01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:06.319 that's the way it is. So we go to the 1513 01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:09.560 read through and Russell's not there and he's pissed because 1514 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:13.720 of what I had pinpointed. He had also pitpoint. So 1515 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.279 now we're getting like six weeks eight weeks out, we're 1516 01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:18.079 going to go start making the movie, and there's no 1517 01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:22.880 scramp I had. I had written the draft and done 1518 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.520 everybody's notes and you know, brought that rewrite Wiedman, so 1519 01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:28.720 every saniel we pulled it out of our ass and 1520 01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.439 you know, it's all bullshit. And I brought a script 1521 01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.199 with me. I wrote the thing, everything that retakes credit 1522 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.800 for is in the scraft, you know, not every single thing, 1523 01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.760 but you know, and so I didn't feel that freaked 1524 01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:44.159 out about it. But we shot it in sequeens, so 1525 01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:48.680 everybody was a little you know, nervous. The thing was, 1526 01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:51.800 it was brilliant about Stephen was my first mission to Spielberg. 1527 01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:55.640 Is you could see there was a war going on 1528 01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.399 with him. One is you know, he you know, doesn't 1529 01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:02.960 go there you will. But the movie was very risky. 1530 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:06.119 He was just you know, you know, DreamWorks was just 1531 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:10.560 taken off. But he sees, you know, he had the 1532 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:13.680 guts to say let's do it. So I'll always you 1533 01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:16.840 know a lot, I will always, always always appreciate that 1534 01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:19.880 you know, everybody's doing, everybody's taking credit for and A. 1535 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:23.760 But he's the one who said yes, wrote the check 1536 01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:26.439 and you know, got it going. He's doing it. 1537 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:30.359 It seems like you are still really super busy these 1538 01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:33.239 days with all these projects you're talking about. 1539 01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:36.439 Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm warning my wife. I said, 1540 01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:38.399 when God's sick of me writing, should I'll pull you down. 1541 01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:40.720 But you know no, Yeah, I mean really, I just 1542 01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:42.560 got to endove our email for my net and it's 1543 01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:47.520 another producer wants to do. Rooney's a ruler against crib. 1544 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:49.600 This is the thing because I spent so much time 1545 01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:52.479 in the Arab world, but on my motorcycle chap, you know, 1546 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:56.319 I sort of got it, and Rooney is. It's a 1547 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.640 really great script. I'm doing another one from Mira max 1548 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:03.680 On Raban, the first who was started, basically started the 1549 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:07.520 golden age of Islam in Spain. Always wanted to do. 1550 01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:10.600 I had to beg a project on the Sakina who 1551 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:13.159 was the daughter of like that pronounce his name, who 1552 01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:16.600 was chilled about little Cabala, sort of an Islamic A 1553 01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:20.399 friend if you and I did another one which I love, 1554 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:24.199 love love about Zaiyad the guy who crad the you know, 1555 01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:29.119 the un Republic, and I really it's it's a great script, 1556 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:31.479 but I just you know, the thing is oddlemn is 1557 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:35.920 there's a there's a there's a disconnect between the East 1558 01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.840 and the western there and you know, in that way, 1559 01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:40.720 it's nothing. It's an artistic disconnect. It's sort of a 1560 01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:44.840 you know, get your arms around at disconnect. I remember 1561 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.319 I got some notes from Isaiah's family going, well, you 1562 01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:49.079 can't do that. He didn't do that, and I'm going 1563 01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:52.039 to knowledge how do you know you weren't bad with him? 1564 01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:53.840 I mean, how did you must be to do that? 1565 01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:56.119 And I didn't say that. I do you order? 1566 01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:56.199 That? 1567 01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:59.319 The only name we have to go with. And that's 1568 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:01.119 the next that that one. And it is so great 1569 01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:04.159 because he was such a goddamn cowboy, you know he was. 1570 01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:07.960 There was a grave Hollo and the Iran's about to invade, 1571 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:10.439 you know, because the the nine of their republic is 1572 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:13.920 nothing right, it's and he doesn't have an army and 1573 01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:17.760 he's got these you know, basically order guards. They're fighting 1574 01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:21.560 with Iran over the straits of the Moves and so 1575 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:23.760 he calls up Sally and goes, hey, can I runt 1576 01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:27.079 An army front and they go share because everybody has something. 1577 01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:29.199 God down, it's money back then, right, So he were 1578 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.880 in with his army and he brought in chefs so 1579 01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:38.239 that everybody had really great food. And so Iran looked 1580 01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:40.479 across the streets and went, who the hell would they 1581 01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:46.159 come from? And back off? But I mean what And 1582 01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:50.640 in Russaid is the buddy who founded Abadavi is always 1583 01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:54.720 driving around the rolls and the thing is solely disintegrate. Right. 1584 01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:57.640 That's because he's you know, there's no will. It's just 1585 01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:01.439 like a pre terrible it's real it. I love the piece, 1586 01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:03.359 I love the people. And you go back to a 1587 01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:07.039 time when they know before they will, when all men 1588 01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:10.720 were dying from the pearl industry, and there's boats every 1589 01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:14.239 time you go to like the Cutter or or Abadaba Dubai, 1590 01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:17.399 they have a pearl boat, a sort of monument to 1591 01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:22.239 those days. And they were terrible days, terrible days, and 1592 01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:24.399 so you got to remember, Okay, they got a lot 1593 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:28.399 of oil now and they're flexing their muscle, but before then. 1594 01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:31.960 And thank you so much for your time. This was 1595 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:33.159 such a pleasure talking with you. 1596 01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:34.520 Take care. 1597 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:50.359 All right, We are back and we were talking about 1598 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:51.960 jumping Jack Flash. 1599 01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:54.199 What happened to the anti Pots character because she went 1600 01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:56.279 run to the house and then she got jumped, she 1601 01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:59.319 got moved, Yeah, and the CIA moved just felt like 1602 01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:02.239 a dropped that's like the that's the rug being pulled 1603 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:04.720 out from under her because she she's realizing that in 1604 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:06.520 the world of espionage. 1605 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:07.960 Well, we never go back to her, there's never any 1606 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:08.479 sort of. 1607 01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:11.399 Like she finds out, I mean, her husband has been 1608 01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.319 murdered and she's not sure that's happening. But the more 1609 01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:17.840 she talks to Terry Doolittle, the more she realizes, hey, 1610 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:21.239 my husband may be killed, like because he's supposed to 1611 01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:24.399 be with Flash. Then we find out later that that 1612 01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:27.119 was what Jeremy Talbot has sort of set jumpin Jack 1613 01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.000 Flash up that he murdered his colleague and that's why 1614 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:33.000 he can't come back. So the CIA kind of hushes 1615 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:35.079 her up and whisks her and her children out of 1616 01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:39.039 the house and that's when Roscoe Lee Brown comes and 1617 01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:41.439 like gives her And that's a good scene. I don't 1618 01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:43.720 know who's responsible for that scene. Maybe that scene goes 1619 01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:46.279 all the way back to the original writer because it's 1620 01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:49.319 a really good, like plot scene that comes at just 1621 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:52.039 the right point the way eighties, you know, sort of 1622 01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:55.520 formula I used to termine a positive sense, not a 1623 01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.880 negative sense that way, that sort of formula narrative structure 1624 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:01.399 works so well in the eighties. Is like, Yeah, we 1625 01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:04.079 have this character and we've cast a great actor to 1626 01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:06.119 play him. He's only in like a couple of scenes, 1627 01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:09.920 but he brings with him great gravitas. Rascal Lee Brown 1628 01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:12.119 is a great actor, and he just sort of like 1629 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:14.960 lays things down. He's like, this is what you're in for, 1630 01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:17.880 and you know, explains the whole point of like a pawn. 1631 01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:21.560 Like Jack Flash is just a pawn, but you're not 1632 01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:23.840 even a pawn. I mean, he doesn't use those words, 1633 01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:26.960 but that's what He's a prawn. You're a prawl. 1634 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:28.319 I do like the prawn thing. 1635 01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:31.760 Yes you know what a pawn is. 1636 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:33.000 Yes, it's a shrimp. 1637 01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:35.720 That's a prawl. 1638 01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:37.720 Is the smallest piece on the chest. 1639 01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:41.960 I'm the most expendable the ones you sacrifice. Jack and 1640 01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:44.640 I have been friends for many, many years, and Jack 1641 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:48.039 knew it could come to this going in. So let 1642 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:51.159 me give you a little bit of advice, amateur, and I, 1643 01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:55.039 mister little is over get off the stage before you're 1644 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:55.880 getting carried off. 1645 01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:00.479 Yeah, he's so freaking good. I'm so glad he shows 1646 01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:02.479 up in this movie. Yeah, Like you guys are saying, 1647 01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:06.840 it's just this stack stacked cast of so many faces 1648 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:08.680 where you're like, oh, I know that, Oh I know 1649 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:12.239 that person too, and this person and this person. It 1650 01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:16.000 is interesting that Jim Belushi shows up as the computer 1651 01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:19.640 repair man, and then he comes back two more times 1652 01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:21.399 than I do, like the idea that he was supposed 1653 01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:23.399 to have died in the second time, but then they 1654 01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:25.760 just put that bandage around his head so he can 1655 01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:26.920 come back a third time. 1656 01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.159 Yeah, he does die. I mean in her book, she's like, yeah, 1657 01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.520 Jim Belushi died. But then after Richard Marx comes in 1658 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:36.159 and they re edit, we need another scene and it's 1659 01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:37.960 supposed to be I think it might have been supposed 1660 01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:39.039 to be the you know, the other guy, the guy 1661 01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.279 with a gun. But she's like, well, this needs to 1662 01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:44.000 be funny. So when she does the reshoot, she calls 1663 01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:46.039 you in Vlushi. She's like, I know you're dead, but 1664 01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:48.319 you're gonna be alive. I'm gonna put you in a 1665 01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:51.119 neck brace, you know, And and that's a ridiculous scene, 1666 01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:54.119 but like, I'm so glad did the whole shooting her 1667 01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:56.479 up with the truth serum and then that she's like 1668 01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:01.239 sort of drunk and unable to not express herself even 1669 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:04.920 more than Whoopy Goldberg character would already express themselves because 1670 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:07.479 she's got tooth serm, you know, coaxing through her veins. 1671 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:09.920 It's just such a great setup, And I love how 1672 01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:13.399 Jim Belushi just gets so pummeled in this movie, Like 1673 01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:16.119 every time he shows up and he is a threatening presence. 1674 01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:18.119 I mean, if you've seen Twin Peaks the Return, like 1675 01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:21.640 Jim Belushi can really pull off being a heavy but 1676 01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:24.119 like the second time he's there, when he like she 1677 01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:26.159 comes back in the cab and the cab driver is 1678 01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.159 gone and he's now the cab driver and he's got 1679 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:30.279 a gun on her and all she does is like 1680 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:34.640 you know, basically shifted into high gear and he like, 1681 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:36.079 you know, he he doesn't. 1682 01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:39.600 Wasn't a very convincing repair mandol with very sinister yeah, 1683 01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:43.840 But like what happens to his car is so like 1684 01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:45.840 a thousand times more damage. 1685 01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:48.560 It's like a Joel Silver moment. Like it's like a 1686 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:53.079 Penny Marshall escape followed by a Joel Silver like death. 1687 01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:55.880 You know, it just almost like two but it works. 1688 01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:57.920 I think it's it makes it all the more funny 1689 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.760 that this cab that was probably going seven miles an 1690 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:04.079 hour like double flips and explodes over a trash can 1691 01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:05.560 or whatever happens to him. 1692 01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:07.000 Yeah, and I. 1693 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:09.479 Forgot that he was in at least one episode of 1694 01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:13.159 Lavernon Shirley. And yeah, he plays a great character in 1695 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.479 Like Salvador, which I think is the same year that 1696 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:16.239 this comes out. 1697 01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:21.520 Also, Penny Marshall's very first directing job, aside from directing 1698 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:25.600 episodes of Laverne and Shirley, was the very short lived 1699 01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:32.640 sitcom called Working Stuffs, which was Jim Belushi and Michael Keaton. Yet, 1700 01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:41.119 that's what that's all about. Go to work, get it work, 1701 01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:47.000 and we work to work. We can't leave me. 1702 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:50.680 What is too tied. 1703 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:57.520 So we work and we work. It works out right. 1704 01:24:59.680 --> 01:25:01.960 So that was I think just six episodes. I think 1705 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:02.880 she did the pilot. 1706 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:04.960 So it's all about who you know. 1707 01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:07.920 Well, she knew everybody. I mean, that's what it's so 1708 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:10.479 fun about reading these books from these people. 1709 01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:12.680 Getting advice from Spielberg whatever she should do to film 1710 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:12.960 or not. 1711 01:25:13.159 --> 01:25:16.159 Yeah, their buddies with Spielberg and like, I mean, she's 1712 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:19.399 best friends with Carrie Fisher. She's super close with John 1713 01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:23.079 Belushi and Laurene Michaels and you know, all these all 1714 01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:26.840 these people and her the sort of again like diving 1715 01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:31.279 into nineteen eighty four and and kind of just reading 1716 01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:34.119 reviews and doing all this research. Like she came very 1717 01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:37.560 close to directing Peggy Sue got married, her daughter was 1718 01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:41.119 dating Geo Coppola, who you know, Francis Coppola ends up 1719 01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:43.199 making that movie. But it was originally going to be 1720 01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:47.439 Deborah Winger not And this isn't like originally when you 1721 01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:51.479 read like I AMDB, like, oh, you know, Ronald Reagan 1722 01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:54.039 was almost in Castleblake, Like no, he wasn't. He was 1723 01:25:54.079 --> 01:25:56.840 barely close. Like it's not just like this was a 1724 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.840 famous star, so they were considered, Like Deborah Winger was 1725 01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:03.920 definitely on a trajectory to starring in Peggy Who Got Married, 1726 01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:07.279 and Penny Marshall was being considered as a director. 1727 01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:10.159 I like that she walked away as well in Solidarity. 1728 01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:12.640 That was a nice show of solidarity. 1729 01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:14.600 And the same thing happened with Joy of Sex, which 1730 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:17.239 is like, you know, one of nineteen eighty four's worst movies, 1731 01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:20.399 and is much more famous for the role it played 1732 01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:24.239 in the end of John Belushi's life, because that again, 1733 01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:26.960 Penny Marshall was set to direct that movie when they 1734 01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:29.399 were going to do the John Hughes version of it. 1735 01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:32.640 This was going to be National Lampoon's Joy of Sex. 1736 01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:35.880 And this was before Vacation and Sixteen Candles. He had 1737 01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:38.479 written this and the screenplay was in the Chateau Marmaut 1738 01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:42.600 bungalow where Belue she died. He was very despondent when 1739 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.920 he was sent the script and talked to the head 1740 01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:50.199 of Paramount. It's like Don Simpson and he finds out 1741 01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:53.199 that they want to sell this movie with a poster 1742 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:56.039 of him in a diaper, and don't I've read that script. 1743 01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:58.199 I don't know if he was supposed to be cupid 1744 01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:01.039 or a baby. There's no scene with anybody in a 1745 01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:04.760 diaper in the John Hughes script. But clearly this information 1746 01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:08.640 got to him and he calls Penny Marshall, really despondent thing. 1747 01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:10.560 It's like, is this what they think of me in Hollywood? 1748 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:13.239 Am I just a fucking joke? And this is She's like, no, no, no, 1749 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:15.640 we'll go into Paramount, we'll talk to these people. She 1750 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:19.039 sets up a meeting and like that night, like the 1751 01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:21.199 night before that meeting is supposed to happen, is when 1752 01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:25.039 he overdoses on the speedball. So that script is like 1753 01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:29.439 obviously goes into turnaround. It doesn't really happen for another 1754 01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:32.920 two years, and then they literally develop it in nine 1755 01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:35.279 days and shoot it in twenty with Martha Coolidge, and 1756 01:27:36.039 --> 01:27:39.000 it's sort of a movie that everybody, everybody connected with 1757 01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:43.720 absolutely hated making and is not a success. But it's 1758 01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.520 just so interesting how close she gets to everything. And 1759 01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:48.600 then with her relationship with Rob Ryner and all the 1760 01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:51.000 Saturday Night Live people and all the Star Wars people 1761 01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:54.279 and all the Spinal Tap people, she seems like such 1762 01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:57.680 a not a She doesn't seem like Carry Fisher, Like 1763 01:27:57.720 --> 01:27:59.920 Carry Fisher seems like the kind of person who was 1764 01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:02.279 going to be at every party and everybody's buddy, and 1765 01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:04.319 like Penny Marshall seems like someone who doesn't even want 1766 01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:06.000 to get out of bed. Like so it's so funny 1767 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.439 to think of her as this like social butterfly who's 1768 01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:12.560 like dating Art Garfunkle and you know, all like it's 1769 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.720 It's really really fun to listen to her her book 1770 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:18.079 if it's on audible, if anybody wants to give it 1771 01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:18.520 a listen. 1772 01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:20.600 I just had the image of Fred Armison as from 1773 01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:22.079 Senate Leave directing this. 1774 01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:24.920 She's such a character, pull on Penny Marshall. 1775 01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:28.600 This by book. My mother was not memoir by Penny Marshal. 1776 01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:31.680 That's me. My mother was not Got so good stories, 1777 01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:35.319 isn't it. The book's coming out September eighteenth. 1778 01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:36.560 Are we gonna have a phone number? 1779 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:36.760 Here? 1780 01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:41.119 A link to what Amazon? You gotta go to the 1781 01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:44.960 Amazon and get a book, buy it. I'm just gonna 1782 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:46.760 pick out a few words from the book. 1783 01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:48.600 Shut up, Jim Brooks. 1784 01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:51.079 This is just two pages I open up to and 1785 01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:54.640 then that she just embraces that accent, and I just 1786 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.319 love hearing her talk, and just to hear the way 1787 01:28:57.439 --> 01:29:00.479 she stretches out those vowels. Oh my god, it was 1788 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:02.520 such a treat hearing her voice again. 1789 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:07.159 I remember in the late eighties, after Tom Hanks made big, 1790 01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:11.560 he was on some show like Friday Night Videos or something. 1791 01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:14.000 I can't I can't remember what the show was, but 1792 01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:17.199 he says something like, you know, I've now been directed 1793 01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:20.159 by both of the Marshall siblings. And it's a very 1794 01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:23.479 different experience because when you're working with Gary Marshall, everything's 1795 01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:26.640 high energy and it's like, Okay, we're making a movie now, 1796 01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:28.840 and Tom, you're gonna come over here and you're gonna 1797 01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:30.960 be very funny and it's gonna be great, it's gonna 1798 01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:33.359 be amazing. And when you're working with Penny Marshall, it's 1799 01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:37.600 more like, oh, I'm making a movie now, and Tom, 1800 01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:41.199 can you go over here? And hopefully you'll be very 1801 01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:44.680 funny and it'll be okay, but it'll be you know, 1802 01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:47.680 like and it's just like a really amusing anecdote that 1803 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:49.960 he told, but it's totally true, And in listening to 1804 01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:52.399 those audiobooks, it is exactly like that they had the 1805 01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:56.439 same upbringing. They tell the same stories about their childhood 1806 01:29:56.439 --> 01:29:58.800 and their mother and father and stuff, but like he 1807 01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:02.000 tells it in this like very upbeat, buoyant way, and 1808 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.800 she's more like, I wonder what my mother was really 1809 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:08.000 thinking at that moment. I was concerned, you know. I mean, 1810 01:30:08.119 --> 01:30:11.760 just it's just fun to get and they're obviously good friends. 1811 01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:14.439 They obviously enjoyed being related to each other. 1812 01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.279 Speaking of Rob Reiner, I know Tracy Reiner, their daughter 1813 01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:20.279 is in this as well. Is she the one that 1814 01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:23.279 plays the secretary at the Consulate. 1815 01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:28.079 No, she's mister Page's secretary. So any scene with mister Page, 1816 01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:29.760 she's sort of like at his right hand. 1817 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:31.239 Oh beautiful. 1818 01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:34.119 It feels like he's trying to sleep with her. Is 1819 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:36.199 that what's going on? There's that weird moment that he's 1820 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:39.319 like closing her mouth. Yeah, okay, And then it took 1821 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:41.439 me forever. It took me until I read the script 1822 01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:44.439 to realize that the woman at the British counsul it 1823 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:47.319 is supposed to look like Princess Diana. Then when I 1824 01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:49.600 saw it after I read the script, I was like, oh, 1825 01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:52.880 I can see what they're doing. But having just watched 1826 01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:56.199 Oh God Vacation, I think it was where there's the 1827 01:30:56.279 --> 01:31:01.600 fantasy where oh no European vacation. Yeah, and Princess die 1828 01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:03.600 you know, she's flirting with him. I was like, yeah, 1829 01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:05.520 that was a much better looking Princess Diana. 1830 01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:07.800 Well, this is more like somebody who wants to look 1831 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:10.600 like Princess Diana, but it's just a secretary in the 1832 01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:13.359 lobby of the British Consulate in New York. So I 1833 01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:15.960 think it's good casting, but it is funny that the 1834 01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:17.439 script says she's trying to. 1835 01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:18.600 Look seeing Tracy Olman. 1836 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:20.239 Yeah, pregnant Tracy Ullman. 1837 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:22.279 That was such a treat to see her show up in. 1838 01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:26.159 This and because she's pregnant and young, you barely recognize her. 1839 01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:28.039 I mean she's only like two years younger than she 1840 01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:32.239 is when she started to do her American show. It's like, 1841 01:31:32.479 --> 01:31:35.720 is that Tracy Ullman's like pudgy or sister? Like it's 1842 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:38.640 like or is it makeup? Or but I saw in 1843 01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:42.079 the somewhere in the book. Oh yeah, it's in in 1844 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:45.119 Peenny Marsha's book. She says, pregnant Tracy Ullman. I'm like, ah, 1845 01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:46.199 of course she's pregnant. 1846 01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:48.800 Well, and she was such a chameleon, I mean that 1847 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.880 was her whole stick. Like, wasn't there a music video 1848 01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:55.039 where she's like tons of different people and things, And 1849 01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:57.279 then on the Tracy Ullmans Show, you never knew what 1850 01:31:57.319 --> 01:31:59.000 she was going to look like from once get to 1851 01:31:59.079 --> 01:31:59.560 the next. 1852 01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:01.000 One and Tracy takes on even more so. 1853 01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:03.399 He was also a pop star in the UK. Yeah right, 1854 01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:04.359 I love that song. 1855 01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:08.720 No we we get that, We got that that they 1856 01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.199 don't know about us. Song over here, yeah. 1857 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:13.039 Her and Paul at the end of it in the 1858 01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:13.760 car driving. 1859 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:14.960 That's a great song. 1860 01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:19.800 The opening song is an interesting one because when it starts, 1861 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:21.199 I thought it was money for Nothing. 1862 01:32:21.399 --> 01:32:24.520 I thought that true, Thank you too. But this money 1863 01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:26.560 for Nothing is later? Right when did Brothers and Arms 1864 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:26.920 come out? 1865 01:32:27.159 --> 01:32:29.760 I mean I remember weird Al was parioding it in 1866 01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:31.880 I want to say eighty six. I want to say 1867 01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:32.840 it was right around this time. 1868 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:35.600 Eighty five. Yeah, just I just googled it. It literally 1869 01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:38.840 came out a little bit beforehand, so it's a pretty 1870 01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:39.520 direct lift. 1871 01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:43.319 IO agents have arrested Air Force Sergeant Michael Prescott in 1872 01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:46.560 connection with the plant sell weapon sigarettes to an unnamed 1873 01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:50.800 foreign government. Prescott was arrested last night in a Staten 1874 01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:54.880 Island supermarket. Turning to whether the city remains in the 1875 01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:57.760 grim usual Sibella, did you temperature and Central Park drop 1876 01:32:57.880 --> 01:32:58.600 to thirty. 1877 01:32:58.359 --> 01:33:02.279 Six degrees overnight? It's been to sety nine because the 1878 01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:06.960 prints of thirty nine next whether again at eight o'clock 1879 01:33:07.399 --> 01:33:10.239 backs Big or music station. 1880 01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:22.079 That's more of a direct lift than Ghostbusters. It's from 1881 01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:23.239 I Want a New Drug. 1882 01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:26.560 It's a unique score. For Thomas Newman as well. It 1883 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:28.840 doesn't sound like him. It's kind of got a bit 1884 01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:30.439 of a Baltimore kind of son to it. 1885 01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:33.880 Yes, it has the exactly it has that. Yeah, I 1886 01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:36.439 mean a lot of this movie has that Beverly Hills 1887 01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:39.560 cop feeling of like, let's try to mine go to that. 1888 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.560 Well, it's strange they never worked together herself on Eddie 1889 01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:45.479 Murphy would have thought that would have been a dynamic peering. 1890 01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:48.359 Maybe it would have been there's been too much of 1891 01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:49.399 the same kind of energy. 1892 01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:52.000 Well, they're both they're both two big stars too, so 1893 01:33:52.039 --> 01:33:54.159 you wonder if they would have room for each other, 1894 01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:57.279 sharing sharing the screen, or would it have wound up 1895 01:33:57.359 --> 01:34:00.880 like another nineteen eighty four film with Clintie and Burt 1896 01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:05.359 Reynold's City Heat, which totally suffers from two big egos 1897 01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:08.079 that do not want to share the screen together. Yeah. 1898 01:34:08.119 --> 01:34:10.720 I don't know if necessarily Jump a Jack Flash is 1899 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:13.880 a great name for this. It's okay for the code 1900 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.159 name and everything, but I guess the original title was 1901 01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:19.000 Knock Knock, which also is not that great of a 1902 01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:20.239 name or a movie. 1903 01:34:20.319 --> 01:34:22.920 But I like Jump a Jack Flash just because it 1904 01:34:22.920 --> 01:34:25.600 gives you this the redo of the song with Aretha 1905 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:29.000 Franklin and Keith Richards, Like when that song kicks in 1906 01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:31.359 at the end of the movie and it's this new 1907 01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:34.880 version and Aretha's really selling it, like she's singing Hallelujah 1908 01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:36.800 at the end and everything, and they did a music 1909 01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:40.000 video and Keith Richards is like dancing around doing the 1910 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:42.359 music video like they were into it. It didn't feel 1911 01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:44.920 like let's just cash a check. They seem to really 1912 01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:46.800 put their all into this cover. 1913 01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:49.600 It had a great poster as well. That film. I 1914 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:50.479 just remember seeing it. 1915 01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:53.039 Every time you go into a video shop, you noticed 1916 01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:54.239 jump a Jack flush. 1917 01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:56.920 Yeah, she's like jumping over the city with her you know, 1918 01:34:56.960 --> 01:35:02.680 eyes big and her mouth wide jump and uh not 1919 01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:05.600 as big. Well, but did Elon spread eagle like that. 1920 01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:09.079 Because x. 1921 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:14.560 X I did not realize that. 1922 01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:17.800 I don't spend enough time on X. Okay, yeah, that 1923 01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:22.399 makes total sense, masse. Instead he looks like Whoopi Goldberg. 1924 01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:25.560 A man named Jack has got her jumping and the 1925 01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:27.159 world may never be the same. 1926 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:32.640 Penny Marshall. There was another poster tagline that Penny Marshall 1927 01:35:32.640 --> 01:35:37.359 complained about and thought really hurt the marketing, which says, like, 1928 01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:40.720 you know, Whoopy Whoopye is here to save the world 1929 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:44.119 or something like that where it identifies the character. It 1930 01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:46.399 seems like it's identifying the character as Whoopy, And in 1931 01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:48.680 the trailer it says that too. It's like the fate 1932 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:50.640 of the world is in the hands of one woman. 1933 01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:52.680 And then she's open there with the toothbrush going hi, 1934 01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:57.359 and the narrator goes called Whoopie and they just Penny 1935 01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:01.279 Marshall thinks, like, it's confusing, Miss Terry do little. Why 1936 01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:02.600 are we saying whoopee? 1937 01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:05.479 I could listen to you do Pemmy Marshall all day long. 1938 01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:08.680 Well of the best line in like literally in every 1939 01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:10.760 chapter where she's talking about a movie, she's like, I've 1940 01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:14.760 said it before. Director is a dog's job. I learned 1941 01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:17.319 that on Jumping Jack Flash. It's a dog's job. You 1942 01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:20.520 gotta wake up before in the morning. Not my finest hour. 1943 01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:23.479 I love that she called the crew together and said, 1944 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:25.960 you know, if I make a mistake, please don't laugh 1945 01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:28.840 behind my back. Come up and explain to me what 1946 01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:31.920 you think should be done, and we'll do this together. 1947 01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:35.439 I thought, Oh, that's a lovely spirit to set a 1948 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:39.159 lovely tone to set on her on quite a tumultuous production. 1949 01:36:39.960 --> 01:36:43.880 Before she said yes to directing the movie, She's she 1950 01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:48.399 met with the DP Matthew Lionnedi who shot Breaking Away 1951 01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:52.199 and Poltergeist and Fast Times Ridgemont High and I think 1952 01:36:52.920 --> 01:36:55.760 weird science maybe, but like, you know, established cinematographer. And 1953 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:58.239 she was just like, are you gonna have a problem. 1954 01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:00.920 I'm a first time director when I'm woman, can you 1955 01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:03.720 walk with a woman? And he was like, yeah, no problem. 1956 01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:06.479 And you know, she comes highly recommended. She's buddies with 1957 01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:10.439 Spielberg and obviously they made Poltergeist together. You do get 1958 01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:13.119 the sense that she probably really meant it. Like she 1959 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.600 seems like a very down to earth person. So when 1960 01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:17.880 she gathers the crew together and says, I really want 1961 01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:19.720 you to call me out if I'm making dumb mistakes 1962 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:21.720 since I don't know what I'm doing. I've only directed 1963 01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:25.399 three camera live television before and everybody does it. So 1964 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:28.840 like setting that sort of tone of humility is good. 1965 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:30.800 But she also says like she doesn't look good and 1966 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:33.439 Whoopy Goldberg like on day three of the shoot, like 1967 01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:36.359 drags her into the makeup chair and she's like, you 1968 01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:39.560 gotta look good, like maker Joel Silver comes on the 1969 01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:41.520 set and it's like what, Yeah, Like, why are you 1970 01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:44.560 in the makeup chair? She's like, ah, gotta look good 1971 01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:45.239 for the. 1972 01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:45.960 Crew, you know. 1973 01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:50.319 Like so that's fun too. Yeah, yeah, you get again, 1974 01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:53.479 it's like so many nightmare stories. I mean, if you 1975 01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:58.479 read the again Barry Sonenfeld's book, you know, he he 1976 01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:00.640 sounds like he had a terrible time working with Penny 1977 01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:04.239 Marshall on Big because she wanted to shoot everything like 1978 01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:07.479 TV and didn't understand that you could like pan up 1979 01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:11.000 from feet to a head and you know, and I'm like, 1980 01:38:11.079 --> 01:38:13.640 there're panting shots from feet to head and jumping jack 1981 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:16.039 flash like there are several of them. 1982 01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:18.159 Yeah, with that joke I was talking about that was 1983 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:20.760 you know, the Pandona and it was it was a 1984 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:21.239 big laugh. 1985 01:38:22.199 --> 01:38:22.520 Yeah. 1986 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:24.479 So I don't know. You know, again, you got to 1987 01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:26.640 read all these biographies with a grain of salt, you know, 1988 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:30.560 it's obviously just each person's perspective. But yeah, I think 1989 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:34.479 she really kind of she does exactly the right thing 1990 01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:37.199 with this movie, not only for the movie but for 1991 01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:39.960 her career, and she got a lot of good advice, 1992 01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:43.279 like Gary Marshall when she was debating whether to get 1993 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:45.640 into this movie, at such a late date with no 1994 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:48.479 prep time. He gave her the really good advice, saying 1995 01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:51.439 filmmaking is a strange business. They pay you to learn, 1996 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:53.920 so just show up and as long as you finish 1997 01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:57.479 and make your days, you know. And James L. Brook said, 1998 01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:00.800 this is a great situation because it's not your movie. 1999 01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:03.199 So if this movie is a hit, you become a hero. 2000 01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:05.920 If this movie is a flop, it's not your fault, 2001 01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:09.279 like you can't lose, which is actually quite true, especially 2002 01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:10.359 in this day and age. 2003 01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:11.960 You know, it could have been in like an Lame 2004 01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:15.000 May situation only if she had gone over But I mean, 2005 01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:19.079 Elaine May goes over schedule by you know, two thirds 2006 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:21.359 as long, So I mean, I don't think Benny Marshall 2007 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:24.359 was going to do that on her first first time out. 2008 01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:26.560 It is weird that Vincent can be called her out 2009 01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:29.079 as in his review he's just like, oh yeah, it 2010 01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:32.279 looks like she wants to direct the decorps rather than 2011 01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:37.399 the performance. It's like, okay, dude, that's a lame, lame criticism. 2012 01:39:37.880 --> 01:39:40.600 I found the performances in this to be absolutely fine, 2013 01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:41.680 if not really good. 2014 01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:45.319 God forbid, we are direct her apartment. I mean, come 2015 01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:46.119 on now you know. 2016 01:39:46.079 --> 01:39:48.560 No, that's a selling point. That's you know, that's all 2017 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:49.640 character stuff as well. 2018 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:51.960 Yeah, it's a selling point for sure. 2019 01:39:52.199 --> 01:39:54.159 Even just what she's wearing, Like Howard the chase scenes 2020 01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:56.920 and she's wearing these big, bright, luminous red sneakers. 2021 01:39:56.920 --> 01:39:58.960 It's like, yeah, it didn't. 2022 01:39:58.720 --> 01:40:00.640 Have to be right, I looked at the It's like 2023 01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:02.880 every little decision, a choice matters. 2024 01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:06.279 Those costume choices for Whoop, we are really great. I mean, 2025 01:40:06.279 --> 01:40:08.039 she just pops. She totally pops. 2026 01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:11.560 She's a cartoon character in amongst this spy world. 2027 01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.159 Well, are there any other films named after Stone songs? 2028 01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:16.520 First of all, because there are a lot of Stone 2029 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:18.720 songs we think of any is there is there an 2030 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:20.239 as Tears Go Buy movie? 2031 01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:22.800 There must be a film called Satisfaction, but probably on 2032 01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:23.800 the wrong side of the internet. 2033 01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:24.800 I think that. 2034 01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:25.000 No. 2035 01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:27.520 I think actually there is a Justine Bateman movie called 2036 01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:30.800 Satisfaction from the eighties. Yeah, so that can be your 2037 01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:34.600 next you know, when you're on episode oney eighteen and 2038 01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:38.119 you really need a new month, you can do four 2039 01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:40.119 movies based on Stones movie and we can talk about 2040 01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:40.840 this movie again. 2041 01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:41.279 Yeah. 2042 01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:42.920 I remember I was making a list when I was 2043 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:45.359 working at Blockbuster, of all the movies that are based 2044 01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:49.199 on song titles, which is pretty much impossible because there 2045 01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:52.079 are so many. Yeah, that was right around the time 2046 01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:54.840 of things like Only the Lonely and I don't remember 2047 01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:56.520 what else was coming out then I was like. 2048 01:40:56.520 --> 01:40:57.600 Can't Buy Me Love? 2049 01:40:58.159 --> 01:41:02.399 Yes, yeah, oh gosh. Just comedies based on song titles 2050 01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:05.840 is one thing, much less espionage films. 2051 01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:09.359 Like Pretty Woman was originally called you know, eight days 2052 01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:12.279 or something, however long the contract is, or a certain 2053 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:15.520 amount of hours, however long their agreement is, And it's 2054 01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:19.000 one of those things. Again, Gary Marshall, there's a wonderful 2055 01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:23.199 commentary on that Blu ray where he basically like, that's 2056 01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:25.960 the great thing about working in Hollywood, Like I get 2057 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:27.920 all the you know, they just give me all these songs. 2058 01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:31.840 So like every song choice he's using is like there's 2059 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:34.800 that song where they break up and rock Set is 2060 01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:37.960 playing must Have Been Love, and he's just he's just like, 2061 01:41:38.199 --> 01:41:40.520 what a wonderful song. Like who knew what this rock 2062 01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:42.880 set band was? I had no idea, but he's like, 2063 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.880 this is the perfect song, and it's it's fun to 2064 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.239 you know, people complain about studio filmmaking, so much, and 2065 01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:51.279 it's fun to listen to someone who just was like 2066 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:54.399 I loved it. I mean, he just loved show business. 2067 01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:57.279 He loves his work. But yeah, Like, they had three 2068 01:41:57.319 --> 01:42:00.439 titles for pretty Woman. One was She's a Late, which 2069 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:03.159 was for the Tom Jones song. Then there was another 2070 01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:04.760 song title I can't remember what it was, and the 2071 01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:07.479 other was pretty Woman. And it's like, yeah, well, obviously 2072 01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:09.680 it should be pretty Woman, even though that's a very 2073 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:12.760 sad song, like that's a Roy Orbison song about longing 2074 01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:14.760 and not being able to get a pretty woman and 2075 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:16.159 all that stuff, But it doesn't matter. 2076 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:17.920 It should have been she drove on nice. 2077 01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:20.399 All right, we're going to take another break and play 2078 01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:23.399 a preview for next week's show right after these brief messages. 2079 01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:27.760 As a burglar, Wow, she's in a high risk job. 2080 01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:28.399 You know what I mean? 2081 01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:30.079 Know why you're here as a beautician? 2082 01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:32.039 Count? 2083 01:42:32.279 --> 01:42:32.720 So is he? 2084 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:35.760 At first, we'd like you to go brush your teeth together. 2085 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:37.840 They've got to solve a murder. 2086 01:42:38.039 --> 01:42:39.840 Hello, we'll kill him. 2087 01:42:39.960 --> 01:42:40.800 We'll be Goldberg. 2088 01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:43.119 Flight of Bob Goldwait. 2089 01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:49.760 Burglar. It's not just a job, it's an adventure, righted r. 2090 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:53.279 It starts Friday, March twentieth at a theater near you. 2091 01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:55.399 That's right. We'll be back next week, but they look 2092 01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:59.560 at Whoopy's next film, Burglar and adaptation of Lawrence Block's 2093 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:02.319 Bernie Rosenthal Books. Until then, I want to thank my 2094 01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:04.880 co host Kevin and Ian. So Kevin, what is the 2095 01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:05.560 latest with you? 2096 01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:05.880 Sir? 2097 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:08.399 I will be sitting down to watch Burglar? 2098 01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:11.880 Are you doing all four of these movies? 2099 01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:14.279 He's my co I believe so four of that? 2100 01:43:14.640 --> 01:43:16.880 Yes, Well, have a good time. Burglar's fun. 2101 01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:18.800 I've only seen Failed Beauty. 2102 01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:20.479 That's the only one of the four that we've got 2103 01:43:20.479 --> 01:43:23.439 schedule I've seen before or didn't that. You can catch 2104 01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:25.239 me on the Best Bits podcast, which I do my 2105 01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:28.039 co host Will Collins, where we break down our favorite 2106 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:31.000 film scenes depending on a different topic each episode and 2107 01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:31.840 it's a lot of fun. 2108 01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:33.319 So you can check us out there. 2109 01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:35.159 And Ian, what's the HAPs with you? 2110 01:43:35.239 --> 01:43:35.439 Sir? 2111 01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:38.920 You can always hear me every month on the Bratlefilm podcast, 2112 01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:42.239 and you can read my blog film five thousand dot 2113 01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:45.199 com where you can see what I had to say 2114 01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:47.479 about all one hundred and seventy five movies from nineteen 2115 01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:50.640 eighty four that I just watched last year and Starting 2116 01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:54.600 in twenty twenty four, I will be programming movies at Boston, 2117 01:43:55.079 --> 01:44:01.439 the Boston Area's oldest continuously running cinema, as well as 2118 01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:04.960 the Capital Theater in Arlington. Excited to finally be breaking 2119 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:08.960 out of programming things for myself to do some actual 2120 01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:11.439 programming for people in the great city of Boston. 2121 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:13.760 Well, thank you so much guys for being on the show. 2122 01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:15.640 Thanks to everybody for listening. If you want to hear 2123 01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:17.239 more of me shooting off my mouth, check out some 2124 01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:19.000 of the other shows that I work on. They're all 2125 01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:23.520 available at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our Patreon community. 2126 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:25.920 If you want to join the community, visit patreon dot 2127 01:44:25.960 --> 01:44:29.000 com slash Projection Booth. 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Woh have alight, yeah, spen back, I got. 2139 01:46:27.560 --> 01:47:14.760 Ye ye was why's come and let play head o? 2140 01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:15.960 Cats her up. 2141 01:47:17.359 --> 01:47:21.560 I still still my feet play. 2142 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:28.159 Oh, I'm going. 2143 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:30.800 What's the brads? 2144 01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:37.359 T's g'spy to my head. 2145 01:47:47.039 --> 01:47:48.800 Say I should. 2146 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:59.600 You little your head Laska? Yes, we re. 2147 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:34.479 Not too. 2148 01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:47.000 Yes of school, little scrap look bad 2149 01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:07.479 Fare now wore