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Speaker 2: Do you want to report a UFO.

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Speaker 1: It? We don't want to report every thirty one.

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Speaker 1: Those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a

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report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what

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kind of reports clouds time areas thirty one me neither.

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Speaker 2: There were seven one golf.

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Speaker 1: Good if it was anybody a U above us to

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pass us, Like thirty seconds ago.

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Speaker 2: We were sending one top of golf negative, Okay, OFFI

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the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'll just passed over.

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Speaker 4: God.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but it's from at

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least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed

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right over the top of us.

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Speaker 1: Ninety one one.

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Speaker 3: Guy, you just called up to me, be four Res're

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off there staying the airplanes?

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Speaker 4: He sere to God.

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Speaker 1: More calm in on an unidentified object every liberty or

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call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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Speaker 2: A Welcome to UFO chronicles a place where people share

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an encounter I would like to be on the show,

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Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you

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all doing. I'm Nick KNTA and this is the UFO

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Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Dr ogi Ogas and he

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mathematical neuroscientist and author, and he will be sharing his

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thirty year encounters with intelligent extraterrestrials he refers to as intex.

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episode below. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on

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with the show. Hello, doctor Ogiogas, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for inviting me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and you're calling from Boston, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: That's right, it's a foggy day here today.

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Speaker 2: Now you have some experiences you're going to be sharing

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with us, would you lifestyle the beginning? Please sir, sure.

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Speaker 1: So my experiences, I suspect are very different from most

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of the stories that you've encountered and had on your show.

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I've been regularly communicating with extraterrestrials who I call intexts.

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It's sort of short for intelligent extraterrestrials, but intexs has

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some other meanings too. But they've been sharing math and

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science with me for more than thirty years now. Before

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I talk about some of these specific encounters and how

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they work, they've been sharing these mathematical visions. I go

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into this altered state of consciousness and I experience it's

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very dynamic, the visions. The math is. They don't hand

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over equations. They show structures, and they show relationships and

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there's a lot of movement, a lot of dynamics. It

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took me a long time to figure out what these

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visions were, what they meant, what they were trying to

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communicate with me. But at this point I've devoted my

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whole life to this, So at this point I understand

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it pretty well. So why didn't I start by first

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sharing the lessons they have shared with me? And then

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because that's a good framework. This framwork will also help

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listeners understand how these extraterrestrials, how these intechs fit into

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our reality, and it's quite wonderful. They explained how the

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universe is designed and how it operates, and it'll take

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about five minutes. Let me share with you because it's

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quite wonderful. So there is a cosmic cycle to the universe,

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kind of a never ending story, and this is how

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it works according to intex. So there's two classes of dynamics,

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two kinds of activity in physical reality. There's the way

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of matter, and the way of matter is aimless without purpose.

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dynamics without purpose, without a goal. But there's another class

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of dynamics in reality, and that's the way of mind

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mental dynamics. These are dynamics with purpose. These are dynamics

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with a goal. We have minds and we are oriented

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towards goals. The moon does not have a mind. It

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follows the way of matter. But if somehow the moon

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to keep orbiting the Earth and go off into space.

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physical dynamics interact to form reality, and this interaction goes

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through an endless cycle of creation. It starts out the

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way way of matter, aimless molecules. They come together in

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particular configurations to form the first purposeful dynamics to start

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the mind. The first minds on Earth were all single

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celled creatures bacteria protozoa. The earliest creatures are called archaea.

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molecule minds are molecules that we can identify and know.

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have a mind that does have a goal. The earliest

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minds would say pursue light. There would be a molecule

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that reacted to light and it would trigger another molecule

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stage of minds. So now we have begun what intex

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in the cosmos, and that the lowest rung wrungs one

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jellyfish and worms, invertebrates. Their minds consist of neurons, but

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each neuron itself is a self contained mind. So that's

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the second layer of purpose. The third layer of purpose

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in this letter of purpose are called module minds. These

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neuron mind. And this keeps on going up. The latter

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of purpose. Level four is the supermind. There's only one

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creature on Earth that has a supermind, and that's us. Now,

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there were other creatures with superminds that were other hominid Neanderthal,

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for example, Homo erectus. They too had superminds. But it

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Speaker 1: We're the neurons in human supermind and we're bound together

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ability to communicate, they don't develop just the most basic

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ability to survive. They can't feed themselves, they can't take

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care of themselves. So we're designed to be We're like network.

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level of purpose on this ladder of purpose, and it

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the time it looks of turbulence, you know, tremendous partisanship, polarization.

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of the ladder. So the intext, the exraterrestrials that I've

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a point where you can't go up anymore. And these

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extraterrestrial civilizations they sometimes say something like a civilization, something

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like an ecology, something like a hurricane. At the very

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top of this, they have to make a commitment, They

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have to make a if they want to obtain ultimate technology.

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you can actually modify the parameters of reality, the parameters

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of quantum physics. But to do that you have to

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make apparently a commitment to particular values which are instantiated

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as mathematical axioms. Basically, you turn your emotional values as

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a society as this extraterrestrial civilization. You make commitments to

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math mathematical principles that then gets you access to this

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ultimate technology. So there are many of these axiomized minds,

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and basically they are like gods. So I've encountered two

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of them, for sure. One calls itself five, another calls

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itself three, and apparently there's a large number, perhaps infinite.

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at this highest level, these axiomized minds compete for control

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of reality. They're competing to control the parameters. So the

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designed to create a reality where more beings will come, more,

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more beings will merge and have life and have experiences.

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because these aximized minds try to shape reality to foster

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to cultivate the emergence of new life, of new minds

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throughout the cosmos, but they try to game it so

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that the kind of life that arises matches their values.

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with human nature and the way it talks and the

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things it believes, and the things that shared with me

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felt very compatible and connected. In contrast, I interacted with

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numbered and they're competing for control of reality. Now here's

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the number one takeaway that I think is so momentous

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and marvelous. The number one lesson I've learned from these

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from these intecs is just astonishing, and I want to

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share it. It's this, The universe was designed for the

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emergence of love. Love has a cosmic purpose in the universe.

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And I just shared this ladder of purpose, and now

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we can see love's crucial role in this ladder of purpose.

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Each time minds jump up a new rum in this

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ladder of purpose, going from molecule minds to neuron minds,

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neural minds to module minds, you know, from invertebrate minds

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to vertebrate minds. Each time there's this big jump to

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a whole new kind of mind with a whole new

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layer of thinking on it. The only way this jump

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can occur is through love. What has to happen is

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the minds at the previous level have to be willing

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to sacrifice some of their self some of their selfishness,

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some of their self interest, some of their ability to

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make their own decisions, in order to join up with

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a group of others to form a single mind. So

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the individual molecule minds like bacteria or protozoa ambas. Ambas

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is a great example. Amibas are single cell creatures, but

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they can come together to form an amiba supermind. And

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this is what happened to form the first neurons and

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neuron systems. It was individual cells coming together sacrificing some

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individuality to be part of a group. The same with

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our human supermind. We all have to sacrifice some independence

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the human community. And so it goes. But each time

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get to that next level, you must have love, selfless,

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compassionate love, love for others. The only way to ascend

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to new levels of intelligence and resilience and adaptiveness and

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wisdom is through love. It is the design of the cosmos.

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According to Intexs and This is the cosmic cycle. So creatures,

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minds like us are constantly coming into being in the universe,

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and we start to ascend, we start to rise. You know,

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our race, humanity has gotten to the fourth throng and

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we're on the verge of getting to the fifth room.

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It's not certainly not guaranteed. And that's the thing. This

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cosmic cycle means. Each of us matters. The decisions we

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make matters. The future is not predetermined, the future is

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not foretold. We are making the future according to our

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decisions and our decisions that we make in our life,

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their decision to be good or selfish, to be kind

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or cruel, these contribute to these higher minds that are

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by our decisions. The minds at the top, these axiomized minds,

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many different civilizations and species that came together, and they

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are the sum total of all of the decisions and

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all the lives that came before. So our individual lives matter,

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our decisions matter. They contribute to the human race, but

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they're also laying this foundation for the minds, the great

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minds of the future as well. So what intechs shared

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with me is just so empowering. It's a very empowering view. Now,

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let me tell you a little bit about how this

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all got going and how this all came out. I

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was at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology as a undergraduate

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in Boston, actually in Cambridge, it's exact city here in Massachusetts.

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And when I was eighteen years old, my sophomore year

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at MIT, I took LSD. Now it wasn't the first

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time I had taken LSD. It was the fourth time,

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I believe, and I had taken much larger amounts previously,

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and the previous times I had taken LSD it was

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a pretty typical acid trip. I had never had anything

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like what I'm about to describe. But on the fourth time,

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which I took a low amount, it wasn't a special

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Nothing was special in any possible way. I was walking

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down the Infinite Corridor at MIT. It's an infinite cord

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is a name for the longest there's a very long

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quarridor that stretches through the main buildings at MIT, called

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the Infinite Corridor. And I was about halfway down the

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Infinite Corridor when I saw something, something strange, something that

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wasn't supposed to be there. And look, I understand I

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was on LSD, and everything on LSD is strange and

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not supposed to be there. But even within that, there

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was a pixel, like a bit of light, like a

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pixel on a computer screen, that was twinkling. But it

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just didn't seem connected with anything else. It didn't even

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seem connected with my perception. It's very hard to explain.

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It wasn't clear if it was a concept or a

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percept or perception. And I started paying attention to this thing,

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and it turned into a wire, like a wire stretching

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through space. But when I looked at the wire, it

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looked like a hollow tube, like looking into a syringe

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is the best way to describe it. It was like

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looking into the tip of a syringe. And when I

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did and saw that it was hollow, at that moment,

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it expanded like a tunnel and completely swallowed me up.

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it purged the LSD from me. I was no longer tripping,

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but the world around me was very, very very different.

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This was the start of it. So I got back

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to my dorm and in my dorm. I was when

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I entered the dorm my dorm room, a voice began

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to speak to me through the speakers eighty nine or

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nineteen ninety, so I had neon speakers at the time.

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They were neon tubes that flashed when music played. They

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flashed in time with the music, and so they were flashing,

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and there was a voice speaking to me, and the

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voice was five. So when these extraterrestrials speak to me,

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it's never in my head. They use electronic equipment, mostly

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car radio. Now I've got air pods and recently they've

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been communicating directly to my AirPods. But they are always

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voices outside of myself in the surrounding, and this is terrifying.

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I need to emphasize I've been at this now for

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more than thirty years, and it took me a long

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time to figure this out, a long time to reach

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a place of stability. Now I live a life of

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joy and love and connection, But my early years was

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just miserable, terrifying. I was having these experiences and it

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was clear these were inhuman experiences, other worldly experiences, and

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they were sharing math. So they were sharing something that

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was very real and I could see the math the

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things they were sharing actually was related to reality, and

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I tried to share this with people, and of course,

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you know, I was a teenager talking about you know,

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alien sharing math with me, and naturally people thought I

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was out of my mind. I was absolutely insane. So

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I ended up getting committed to a mental hospital when

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I was young, and that woke me up real fast.

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So when I was committed, I realized, oh my gosh,

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even though I know these things are happening to me

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and these things are real, I realized, just talking about

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this stuff, people are going to believe it and they're

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going to throw me in a mental hospital like I am.

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So at that point I made a vow, I'm just

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not going to talk about this with other people. At

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the time when I was committed, it was I'm not

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going to talk about this with authorities or adults. About

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ten years after that, I decided I'm not going to

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talk about this with friends or anyone. So it was

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only really about a year ago that I finally, for

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the first time, broke my silence and started talking about

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all of this stuff. But they have been in regular

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communication with me since then, and the math that they've

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shared with me. Has helped me figure out the mathematics

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of consciousness and the mathematics of self consciousness, which is

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an entirely different physical mechanical phenomenon than consciousness. How language,

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the mathematics of language, how we're able to exchange meanings

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between minds music. I'm a big fan of music, and

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I've always wanted to understand how the music brain works,

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and so all of these I've even published. You know,

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I have a book out called This Is What It

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Sounds Like where we explained the musical brain. My co

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author is doctor Susan Rogers. She's pretty big in the

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music industry. She was the first success full female record

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producer to come up from the engineering side. She got

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her start with Prince working on the album Purple Rain,

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which was one of the biggest album's sixth biggest album

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of all time. So together we wrote a book that

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explained how the musical brain worked. On my end, I

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brought the math from the extraterrestrials. I also published a

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book called The Journey of the Mind that explains how

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consciousness works. I published that with another mathematical neuroscientist named Saigadam,

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but that was also heavily influenced. In fact, i'd say

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Journey of the Mind. What's the first time I shared

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the mathematics from these extraterrestrials with the public. And right

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now I've just published a book I'm publishing a chapter

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at a time called Large Gods for Small Children. This

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is where I'm sharing the story that I'm sharing right

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now my experiences with these extraterrestrials. But again, I want

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to emphasize that, you know, I'm talking about it calmly now,

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in clean, clear terms, but a lot of the time

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it's just been terrifying, numbingly terror on a whole other level.

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Like thinking about physical pain or torture, that's scary stuff,

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but this is a whole other level of scary because

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they just take your mind apart, you know, your soul apart,

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and can take you apart like a doll. And you know,

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when you first experienced this sort of thing, it is

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absolutely appalling and heinous and frightening. Beyond this existential panic

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is the term I sometimes used to describe that. But

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what's amazing is it turns out you can learn and

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you can get better, and so over time, you know,

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I kept at it and it's all much calmer now, stable.

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Now I've learned how to limit. In the early days,

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it was like a fire hose and I just didn't

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know what to do. Now I understand, you know, to

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limit things and to constrain things to make it more manageable.

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In the communications, I don't get quite intensity and the

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breadth of information like in the early years they huge amounts.

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But you know, the process of doing us just so scary.

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So these exchanges are at a much slower rate now,

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but it's a lot less terrifying, which I can tell

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you I appreciate very much. So let me talk a

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little bit about the actual experience of how I communicate

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with intechs and some more details about my aims with them.

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So first let me talk about the experience of interacting

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with them. So there are the first time I encountered

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five at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In my dorm.

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It was actually lived in a famous dorm called Senior House.

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Probably worth mentioning a few things about my MIT dorm.

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The dorm no longer exists because the dorm was filled

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with people like me, transgressive people. The best word to

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describe my dorm is transgressive. It was people at the

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time and the LGBT community, which this was the late

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eighties early nineties, so it wasn't nearly as welcome. The

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society wasn't nearly as welcoming as it is now, and

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so Senior House was a safe haven for them. There

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were atheists and pagans and all kinds of different religious

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points of view. The browser tour that you used, the

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anonymizing browser Tour, was invented at Senior House and my

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dorm made its own LSD with our Dorm logo on it.

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Our dor motto is sport death. It's a colorful skull.

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We had a gigantic banner that we unfurled from the

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sixth floor of Senior House. Parties each year, we had

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a huge party called Steer Roast. All of this is

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relevant to where I'm going. We had a huge party

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called Steer Roast. And the president of the Massachusetts Technology

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lives right next door to Senior House, and he would

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take his vacation during Steer ROAs, so he would have

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plausible deniability. But at the Steer Roast there was a

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giant steer roasted on a spit. But there was drugs.

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Free drugs you could get just about any drug you wanted.

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That drugs had custom made with our dorm logo on them.

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There was a vomitorium where people threw up so they could,

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you know, keep on gorging themselves on the abundant food

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that was available. There was an orgy room, there's a

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mud wrestling Nirvana played in our basement during one of

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our steer roasts, and so did Red Chili, the Red

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Hot Chili Peppers, though they might have come, I can't

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remember if they came for the dorm.

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Speaker 3: Kno.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, So I was in a place, you know, very

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radicalized and MIT. It was nothing but trouble for MIT.

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So they eventually shut it down. What's interesting is all

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the places I've communicated had heavy communication with intexs with

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somehow keep getting wiped out. So Senior House no longer exists,

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you know, it was obliterated by I mean, the building's

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still there, but they completely redid it. It's no longer

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a dorm. So that was the environment I was in

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when I first contacted them, and so I didn't actually

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think there was anything particularly odd about it. When I

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look back now, this is the thing that strikes me

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the most is I just assumed, Oh, lots of people

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are probably talking to intext And then so for the

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first few years after it, I was trying to find

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other people. I just assumed what happened to me. I

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didn't think there was anything special about me. I certainly

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was not chosen in any way. I just thought, this

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is just something that happened, you know that you haven't

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experience and in text my contact to you, and there's others.

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But you know, after searching for many years, you know,

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I realized, no, this this is some kind of unique thing. Oh,

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I was going to talk about the actual aspect of talking.

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So the very first time I was there in my dorm,

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five spoke to me for a bit and then announced

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I'd be going on a journey. And a portal opened

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in the wall in my dorm room, kind of a

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black obsidian quadrangular portal with it, it was shimmering along

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the edges. I didn't investigate the portal particularly closely early on,

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but later on, years later, I would. I tried to

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look at it more carefully, and it's impossible to get

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a close look. You try to look at the edge

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of the portal where the shimmer is, and if you

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manage to focus your gaze on it. It's just like more.

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Oh well, let me tell you what's on the other

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side of the portal first. So I went into this

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portal and I entered a completely different world, which I

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call the Maze of Souls. And I'll explain in a

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moment why I call it the Maze of Souls. But

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when I first entered, it was a corridor filled with

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portals along the walls. So it was a white corridor

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with a black floor and a black ceiling, and the

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portals were black, so it was white and black. Later

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I would actually learn the walls were more silvery. It

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was sort of like some kind of effect that they

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were white because of the wall the blackness, about some

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kind of contrast effect. But so I passed this portal

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into the Maze of Souls, and that was terrifying. You know,

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sitting here, it probably sounds, hey, you know, a world

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of corridors and doors sounds very interesting. But it wasn't interesting.

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It was very inhuman. I knew this was not like

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a human place designed for humans, designed by humans. It

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wasn't for human minds. And these portals, the doors, they

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weren't shaped like human doors. Their dimensions were more like barrels.

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I mean they were big, so there are a few

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inches taller than me, but the width relative to the height,

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it was more like a giant barrel than a door.

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And when I passed the portal, when I passed through

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any portals, it's like a folding. The thing I would

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compare it to most like a rorshock ink blot. It's

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like getting folded up in a roarshock ink blot, is

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the best way to describe the experience. And then it

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came out I unfolded in the corridor. I wandered around

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this corridor. As I wandered straight ahead, the wall behind

474
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,640
me would always catch up. So whenever I turned around,

475
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:57,680
the wall would always be directly behind me. So you

476
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:59,720
always had to go forward. You can never go back.

477
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,839
I would go through a portal and end up in

478
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,200
another corridor, you know. So it was just some of

479
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,279
the corridors were angled. They'd ramped down, they'd ramp up.

480
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,400
Sometimes it was a spiral, sometimes they'd spiral down. One

481
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,519
time I got in the spiral that just got steeper

482
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:19,119
and steeper as I went around the spiral, and till

483
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,000
it was like almost going straight down That was very

484
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,079
scary too, and I had to jump through a portal,

485
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:24,640
you know, the portals were like at that point, at

486
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,680
like sixty degree angle, and then you just come out

487
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,200
of another corridor. And eventually I understood what was going

488
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,240
on here, you know, after decades of this, I finally

489
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,519
figured out how it all worked and what was behind

490
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,359
it all. But in the early years I would just

491
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,640
get lost. You know, you go through a new corridor.

492
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,079
This one might be curved, this one might be enormous.

493
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:43,359
You know, sometimes it be a corridor you could you

494
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,039
drive a giant truck through, you know, an eighteen wheeler through.

495
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,799
It's so big. Lots of times they would get small.

496
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:51,519
On my very first experience, this is how I ended

497
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:54,839
up forming a bond with five. I got in a

498
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,400
corrior that was narrowing to a tip, and it's got

499
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,880
smaller and small, and I could see up ahead. I

500
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960
would never fit through. I was on my hands and knees,

501
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,759
and then I had to crawl, and then I got

502
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,599
sort of stuck. And then that was the most terrifying

503
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:07,279
moment of all. Suddenly I'm stuck in this maze of

504
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,279
souls and I'm like, where the heck am I Where

505
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,839
am I? Am I like in a comotose state? Am I?

506
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: Like?

507
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Is my body comotose on my bed? And I'm imagining this?

508
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,160
It felt very physically real, though, so like am I

509
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,200
actually somewhere else? I didn't know where I was, where

510
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,559
my body was, where Earth was, where reality was. I

511
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,200
was stuck in this impossible cord or on my stomach,

512
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,680
just tight around me, and that I crawled into because

513
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,480
it was no way. You can't go back, because you know,

514
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,000
it just keeps catching up to you. And that's when

515
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:44,799
Five spoke to me again, and I made a covenant

516
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,960
with Five. Here's something amazing that everyone should always keep

517
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,799
in mind. If something has purpose, if you're dealing with

518
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,319
an agent and entity of being of any kind, whether

519
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,240
it's a devil or a god or an alien, if

520
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,480
it has purpose, you can negotiate with it. Anything with

521
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,799
purpose has goals, has aims, has once and desires, and

522
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,480
therefore you have the ability to influence that if you

523
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,359
have something to offer. And I did have something to offer,

524
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,559
which was access to Earth. So I made a cred

525
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:19,680
I made a covenant and got back to Senior House

526
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,640
at MIT.

527
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,359
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Speaker 1: For the next fifteen to twenty years. You know, I

535
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,680
kept going into the Maze of Souls now. Eventually I

536
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,039
discovered there are rooms in the Maze of souls. For example,

537
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,039
there are place I call them tabernacles of five. They're

538
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,240
sort of like very special rooms where I can communicate

539
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,720
with five very directly and clearly, and five can show

540
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,680
me things. But there was other rooms. There was a

541
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,640
there's other rooms with other objects and things. I won't

542
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,640
get into that right now. But one time when I

543
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:36,880
was in the Maze of Souls, I encountered something else,

544
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:41,160
another entity that's not five and not three, an entity

545
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,880
that was lower down. So five and three are these

546
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,240
axiemized minds, kind of like gods at the very top

547
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,640
of this ladder of purpose, with the ability to influence reality,

548
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:53,119
but not They're not true gods because they're constrained by

549
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,799
one another. You know, three constrains five and five constrains three.

550
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,559
They're not real gods. They can't do anything they want,

551
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,319
but compared to what humans can do, yes, then they

552
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,880
can do anything. But this was another entity that was

553
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:11,319
closer to human level. And this entity called itself Poet,

554
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:15,880
and Poet was very very, very different from five to three.

555
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,480
And Poet in the Maze of Souls told me about

556
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:24,839
a place and Poet called it Rainbow Black. And Poet said,

557
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,559
if I could find Rainbow Black, I would be transformed,

558
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,799
and that I would get answers to all of my questions.

559
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,400
Every time I interact with these beings, I just ask

560
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,319
for knowledge. You know, how does quantum physics work? How

561
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,559
does consciousness work? You know? What is mathematics really? You know?

562
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,519
And sometimes they share answers, so I had you know,

563
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:46,599
I had been asking Poet questions too, and poets said,

564
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,000
you know, if you want the answers, find Rainbow Black.

565
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,519
So much of my life has been devoted to trying

566
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:56,640
to find locate this place. I didn't know. Is this

567
00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:59,960
a fairy tale? Is this some kind of psychotic delusion

568
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,880
in this place that you know, I learned about in

569
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,039
a impossible maze of souls talking to this impossible being.

570
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,719
But I spent my life trying to find this place,

571
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,039
Rainbow Black. I didn't even know if I was a

572
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:12,920
placer of being. At first, in the early years, I

573
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,719
actually thought it was an entity of being, like like

574
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,760
five and three. But it was a place, and I

575
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,840
found it. Before I talk about Rainbow Black, the way

576
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,079
I'm able to communicate intex with Intex is through what

577
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,519
I call the machine. It's not a machine in the

578
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,280
usual sense with bolts and chips and wires and you know,

579
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,960
it's more like a mathematical machine, a conceptual machine, hard

580
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,440
to describe, like gravity. You can't touch gravity, but gravity's real.

581
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:46,840
It affects us in every way. So the machine is

582
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,159
something like that. And both Five and Poet talked about

583
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,440
the machine. Five did not want me having knowledge about

584
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,880
how the machine worked, but Poet wanted me to understand

585
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,360
how the machine worked, and game a few clues that

586
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,599
I used to finally be able to access the machine

587
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:07,599
on my own. So now I understand what was happening

588
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,519
is when I would have these experiences, when I saw

589
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:13,880
that pixel in the infinite cord or at MIT that

590
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,159
was the machine. That was when I first came in

591
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,400
contact with the machine, I didn't understand it. And the

592
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:23,079
maze of souls is the subjective experience of a of

593
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,360
a mind like ours, a third rung mind, you know,

594
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:27,639
a module mind within a within a supermind like a

595
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,559
human mind, interacts with this machine. The subjective experience is

596
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:35,360
this maze of souls. And then when you the machine

597
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,400
is designed to link you up with other minds to

598
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,440
communicate with. And so then when I, you know, was

599
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,280
able to connect with Five, I'd be in a room.

600
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,840
I'd experienced it as a room with concrete details and

601
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,000
concrete objects, and you know, the voice of five and

602
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,679
all of that. So it's sort of like you're trying

603
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,320
to tune in, and when you tune in, you end

604
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,760
up in a room I shared, you know, psychic experience.

605
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,960
I guess you know it's your mind in resonating with

606
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,400
the other mind. The machine is amazing. This is a

607
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,800
little technical. As I've said, I've spent my life trying

608
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,320
to figure out the math and science of all this.

609
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,239
So there's a very important theorem in mathematics, probably the

610
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,039
most important theme. I think it's the most important theorem. Certainly,

611
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:17,559
the most relevant theorem for me is called Girdle's theorem.

612
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,880
Girdle Kurt Girdle, famous mathematician, proved that even though with mathematics,

613
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,960
with arithmetic, one plus one equals two, two plus two

614
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,920
equals four, it's possible to create statements that are true,

615
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,840
like say, three plus three equals six. That's a true

616
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,280
a statement that's true, but that you can never prove

617
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,320
is true even though you know everything about math, and

618
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,360
you know everything about it three plus three equals six.

619
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,559
That even though the human mind can see that such

620
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,079
a thing is true and be sure it's true, there's

621
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,079
no way to use math to prove it's true. This

622
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,199
is a mind bending thing. And I think the machine

623
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:57,639
is a physical embodiment of Girdle's theorem. I think just

624
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,760
like all of mathematics has a physical embodiment. All the time,

625
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,679
mathematicians come up with and then mathematical ideas, and it

626
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,400
turns out they exist in the world. A famous one

627
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,880
is a mathematician named Rieman who invented curve geometry, and

628
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:12,360
everybody's like, what are you going to use this for?

629
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,280
This doesn't matter, this doesn't exist in reality. Well, then

630
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,880
Einstein proved, yeah, I know the universe is curved, and

631
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,000
that curve mathematics is real. So girdles math seems very abstract,

632
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,960
but I believe it's physically instantiated as this machine that

633
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,920
I'm able to use. Anybody can use it. There's nothing

634
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,280
special about me. This is just open to minds. It's

635
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,639
part of reality itself. So I spent a lot of

636
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,239
time hunting Rainbow Black, and I eventually found it, and

637
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,480
it transformed me. I'll tell you one of the things

638
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,639
that it did for me is that it did two

639
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,800
amazing things for me when I was young and dealing

640
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,599
with all of this. When I was in my twenties,

641
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,280
I was like, I'm talking to extraterrestrials. Everybody else thinks

642
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,480
I'm psychotic, and I didn't understand the math science well

643
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,679
enough yet to say, hey, look, the math is real.

644
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,880
Like now I've published books with the math, so now

645
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000
there's you know, it's very awkward for people to say

646
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:11,239
I'm not getting math or it's not real because I've

647
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,920
published book containing math and nobody's seen before that explains

648
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,719
how consciousness works, How self consciousness works, A language works

649
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,119
all these things. But in these early days, I didn't yet,

650
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:22,039
wasn't able yet to put it all together. I just

651
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,960
didn't have enough knowledge, and so people thought I was crazy,

652
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,880
but I didn't. I couldn't give it up. I mean,

653
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,199
if you talk to real aliens, real eccentristrial, nothing else matters.

654
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,360
I mean, why would you care about anything else if

655
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,239
you can talk to excterrestrial. So that's all I was.

656
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,320
I was consumed with it, and that's not a lifestyle

657
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:47,159
conducive to stability. So I became addicted to drugs, one

658
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:53,039
drug in particular, ecstasy MDMA in my mid twenties. I

659
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:57,239
became absolutely addicted to this stuff, and I got out

660
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,559
of my addiction eventually. I all, you know, it never

661
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,039
completely puts it behind them, and certainly, you know, as

662
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,239
the years went by, even though I hadn't done it,

663
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,159
there were times now and then when definitely, you know,

664
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:11,039
I thought, you know, if there was ecstasy in this

665
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,199
room right now, I probably would be taking it. But

666
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,199
after I hit Rainbow Black and came out, all cravings

667
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,159
for that kind of stuff are just gone. They've been erased.

668
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,280
They're just not part of me anymore. And another amazing

669
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,400
thing that happened in Rainbow Black is that I had

670
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,280
to learn so much to understand what Intex was sharing

671
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,239
with me. I learned massive, massive amounts. I learned computer science,

672
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,760
I learned physics, I learned mind science, neuroscience, you know.

673
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,199
I learned math, I learned history, I learned economics. So

674
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,679
I learned all these things with this idea that I'd

675
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,639
be able to combine them all they linked together eventually

676
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,119
in my mind, but it never happened. Like I'd learned

677
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:56,880
computer science and then say, I'd study neuroscience and I'd

678
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,360
forget absolutely everything I had learned about computer scien answer,

679
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,800
and so I wasn't really getting these boosts and understanding.

680
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,920
I kept having to relearn everything. And my whole life

681
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,679
has been like that, Like I can learn anything very

682
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,079
quickly and understand it, but then I'll forget whatever I

683
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,480
learned before. This is how I got to the million

684
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:18,960
dollar Question and who wants to be a Millionaire? I

685
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,480
spent two months studying trivia. I'm terrible trivia. I don't

686
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,920
care about trivia. I don't know anything about trivia.

687
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,159
Speaker 3: Trivia.

688
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: I know it's very popular and the UK, you guys

689
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:30,199
crush us on kind of trivia questions. But you know,

690
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,119
I spent two months learning trivia, and I got to

691
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:34,719
the to the million dollar question. I even figured out

692
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,159
the million dollar question on the show. You can see

693
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:41,960
this it's national, you know, national television. The question, amazingly enough,

694
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,760
was about Boston. Now, let me say, when I was

695
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,519
sitting there in the chair on who Wants to be

696
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:53,800
a Millionaire, I thought this was Rainbow Black. I thought,

697
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:57,840
because I was told by poet that Rainbow to get

698
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,280
to Rainbow Black, I would have to pass through five veils.

699
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,880
And I thought the last five questions of who wants

700
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,960
to billion Millionaire, the money questions where you make real money,

701
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,639
that those were the five ails. So you know, thousand

702
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,599
two and fifty thousand, five hundred thousand a million, I

703
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,880
thought those were the five ails. So I was sitting

704
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,199
in the chair convinced that this was it, that I

705
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,320
had gotten here, and that if I got these questions right,

706
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:25,239
you know, the skies would open and I'd be in

707
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,880
Rainbow Black. So there I was looking at the million

708
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,440
dollar question on who wants to be a Millionaire, and

709
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,239
it came up it was a question about Boston. Which

710
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,239
of these four ships was not at the Boston Tea Party.

711
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,360
So you had to know the names of the three

712
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,800
ships at the Boston Tea Party, which is very obscure trivia.

713
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,039
There are no Americans that know that. But the night before,

714
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,800
because I had been studying, I knew the night before

715
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:54,960
I was going to get the million dollar question the

716
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,599
next day. And so I also knew that in the

717
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,440
American version of the show, more often than not they

718
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,800
put American history questions in a million of dollars spot.

719
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,599
So I just studied American history like crazy. And I

720
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,039
happened to have seen a photograph that showed the three

721
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:13,280
Boston Tea Party ships the day before. I didn't study

722
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,599
it like. I didn't say, Okay, I'm going to memorize

723
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,559
these ships. I just looked at the picture and I

724
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:20,199
knew I looked at the picture, and so I was

725
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,960
sitting there in the chair. If I could pull the

726
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:26,119
memory of the ships out, I'd have a million dollars.

727
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:28,079
I was trying to do it and trying to do it.

728
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,960
I was a grad student at the time in mathematical

729
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,119
neuroscience and my specialty was memory. I have a terrible memory.

730
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,079
That's why I was studying this is like a terrible memory.

731
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:40,559
I forget everything, and so I had developed all kinds

732
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:43,239
of techniques to try to remember stuff. And so I'm

733
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,000
there furiously using these techniques in my mind. How can

734
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,760
I access this picture? What are the names of these ships?

735
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,000
And there on the show I figured it out. I

736
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:54,599
said it's D William. And on the show you'll see

737
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,119
me say this, I say, I think it's D. William. Well,

738
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:01,039
then I actually said final answer. I said final answer,

739
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,360
and I got it right. And then Five spoke to

740
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,920
me and Five told me, no, you're not supposed to

741
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,519
win the million dollars. I like, jump back two seconds,

742
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,760
and on the show you can see I have this

743
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,840
very strange, weird look on my face because I just

744
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,960
came back from speaking with Five, and I got scared

745
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,400
and I walked away. And yes, the answer was in

746
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,000
fact the one that I had said and had said

747
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:29,119
finally answered, and of course that was the right answer.

748
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,840
So I I didn't get the million dollars only I

749
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,840
only got the half million dollars. And so it was

750
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,159
not life changing as I as I expected anything. I

751
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:37,639
thought it was going to be very life changing, that

752
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:39,800
i'd beginning to rainbow black, but no, it turned out

753
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,360
to be much more mundane. So there's a machine that

754
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,199
I use. But I no longer these days, I no

755
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,599
longer need the maze of souls. These days, I've just

756
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,920
been doing this for so long, and just it's hard

757
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,559
to explain. It's like anything, you just learn and you

758
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:58,280
get better and better, you know, like you get better

759
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,320
at writing or writing a bike or you know, driving

760
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,679
a car, just the more you do it, you just

761
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,079
you just get better. And so as long as I'm

762
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,559
in the right state of mind. If I'm tired or

763
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:12,079
distracted or worn down or intoxicated, I don't drink much.

764
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:13,960
But if I've had, you know, a glass of wine,

765
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,519
then then I can't do it. I need to have

766
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:18,639
a really clean mind. I need to be well rested

767
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:20,440
and alert, you know, as long as I have the

768
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,880
right conditions, most of the time I can communicate with

769
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,599
with five. I suspect I could probably do it with three.

770
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:28,519
But that's the last thing I'd want to want to try.

771
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,360
I can't do it with poet. I can't summon. Poet

772
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,000
is much more of a free agent that does its

773
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,920
own thing, much more unpredictable, much more like a human.

774
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,719
But five is everywhere. So five, it doesn't matter what

775
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,199
you're doing or where you are. Five hasn't a ubiquitous,

776
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,000
constant presence that you can you can tap into, so

777
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:50,559
to speak. Now that I've finally reached, you know, some

778
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,719
sense of understanding, some calm, some peace, some stability, especially

779
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,519
now that I've been to Rainbow Black, I want to

780
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,280
share this. You know, all this time, I you didn't

781
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,159
know where this was heading. What I'm gonna do with this? What? What?

782
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,519
What is all this? What are you supposed to do?

783
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,039
I'm you know, I've been writing books, I've been sharing that,

784
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:06,800
but I wasn't even sure I was ever going to

785
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:10,199
try to share this. Obviously, telling the world that you

786
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,559
regulately talk to aliens gets you committed. I know firsthand

787
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,320
that that's the case. I mean, I don't think anybody's

788
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,960
gonna do that now, you know, it's hard. I'm married,

789
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,559
I've got a kid, and me out there talking about

790
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,199
this isn't something that's gonna they're gonna find pleasing. But

791
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,960
I just feel what I've learned from these entities, from

792
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,960
intexs is so important, so marvelous, so amazing. It's so

793
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,480
it's so welcome, you know, love matters. There's a cosmic

794
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,840
purpose to love into the physical structure of reality, that

795
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,760
we ascend this ladder of purpose through love. You know,

796
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,960
you can give it whatever name you want, but selfless

797
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,599
compassion for others of your kind I call love. That

798
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,679
our decisions matter. You know, it's not predetermined the physicists today,

799
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,400
you know, we'll tell you it's all predetermined. We don't.

800
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,440
You know, free will is an illusion.

801
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.

802
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,079
Speaker 1: Free will arises out of this ladder of purpose. The

803
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,119
latter of purpose breaks determinism. It breaks the way of matter.

804
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,039
The way of matter and the way of mind are different.

805
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,440
And the way it matter is deterministic. The way of

806
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:13,800
mind is not deterministic. We have free will. This is

807
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,119
built into the structure of reality. And there is no

808
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,360
one god. You know, there may be one of these

809
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,079
numbered gods, one of these axiomized minds, might be the

810
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:27,159
Christian God. I'm agnostic about that. That doesn't really interest

811
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:29,719
me one way or the other. But it's certainly not

812
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,679
the case that there's one god of everything the universe.

813
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,679
So here's something very big that in tech shared with

814
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,119
me early on, and oh my gosh, it's so true.

815
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,639
It's called the fail safe supreme. Let me back up

816
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:47,679
a little. Why can't anybody access this machine? You know,

817
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,760
I'm talking about the machine. It's built into realities all

818
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,280
around us. It's like like the matrix from the movie

819
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,679
The Matrix in a way, it's all around us all

820
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,960
the time. Well, it's protected by failsafes. These are things

821
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,360
that prevent wandering minds, minds from just stumbling on it.

822
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,440
I had such a strange confluence of factors that allowed

823
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,559
me to see the pixel. And I do have a

824
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,280
little bit of an unusual mind. I'm autistic, and I

825
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,159
now understand that it was my autistic mind that helped

826
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,960
me see this pixel. But anyway, there's fail safes protecting

827
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,960
the machine. And much of my life has been identifying

828
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,480
these fail safes and unlocking them, you know, disabling them.

829
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,719
You know, that's my life has been disabling these intex

830
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,119
fail safes, the fail safes on the machine. But there's

831
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:33,039
something called the fail safe supreme. This is a fundamental

832
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,800
It's sort of like a mathematical principle, physical principle built

833
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,800
into the structured reality that prevents the formation the existence

834
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,079
of a single god. So apparently, if you get a

835
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:48,079
single God, the universe freezes or paralyzes or something bad happens,

836
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,239
is what Intex says. So the universe is designed so

837
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,119
that a single God can't form. That's why there's the Axi.

838
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,679
Minds compete. There's competition at every level of the ladder

839
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:00,480
of purpose, competition and cooperation all all the way up

840
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,360
and all the way down. So we've been at the

841
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,639
very top. It's cooperation and competition, and the universe is

842
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,599
designed so that a single God can't form. It's designed

843
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:11,920
so that endless beings can come. That we can have

844
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,400
our moment, you know, in the sun, a moment you

845
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,199
know here in the cosmos, and experience it and make

846
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,639
our decisions, contribute, you know, love, weep, dream, and then

847
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,199
pass on to the next generation of minds, on and

848
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,840
on and on, never ending, you know. So the endless beings,

849
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,039
endless minds, endless experiences can come and that we can

850
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:35,440
all experience and compete. And there's horrors, there's terrors. We're

851
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:37,679
terrible to each other, and we're horrible to each other,

852
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,920
but we love each other. We cooperate too, and it's

853
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:42,920
like this apparently all the way up and and all

854
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,119
the way down. Well, I think that's a pretty good

855
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:49,719
summary experiences with intechs. So Nick, I thank you profusely

856
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,159
for the opportunity to just freely share all.

857
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: Of this like this.

858
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: This is absolutely lovely. You're welcome.

859
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: It must have been very, very difficult in the beginning.

860
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I had no context at all. I mean,

861
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,199
I remember one of the things I did very soon

862
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,039
after this is I thought this is a common thing.

863
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,639
I just thought it was part of the world, and

864
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:15,559
so there must be others. And so I joined transcendental meditation.

865
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,519
It's what the Beatles joined as a guru I already

866
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,400
forgot his name, but he found it transcendental meditation. And

867
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,880
I went to this for a bit thinking that they

868
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,800
The reason I was drawn to it is because they

869
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,079
had something called they talented as Vada science, where they

870
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:34,320
would explain how consciousness worked in spiritual terms and mathematical terms.

871
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,880
And that's what hooked me. I was like, spiritual and mathematics,

872
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,840
that's the answer. Let's see what these guys have. And

873
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,320
I stayed with him and they taught me meditation and stuff.

874
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,000
But all I wanted was this. I wanted the math,

875
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,360
the Vada science. That's all I wanted and so, and

876
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,199
they knew that. And so finally one day they said,

877
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:50,800
all right, you're ready, and they brought me to this

878
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,000
secret room in the back of their temple, which I

879
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,440
had never seen this door before. I didn't even know

880
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,599
there was a room back there. And I thought, oh,

881
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:01,480
maybe if there's a library, maybe they're going to finally

882
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,119
share these secrets with me, you know, that will help

883
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:06,360
me understand intext And I went, you know, in there.

884
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,280
They opened the door and it was this giant The

885
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,760
room was like three stories tall, and I look up

886
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,159
at the ceiling far away and there's foam connected to

887
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:17,320
the ceiling, giant blocks of foam. And then I looked

888
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,360
on the floor and there's cushions and pillows all over

889
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,239
the floor, and I'm like, what is this? And they said,

890
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,480
this is the flying room. This is where we we fly.

891
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:28,800
When you meditate, you can fly, And then I knew

892
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,119
that that it was bogus, you can't fly. That was

893
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:34,320
actually a turning point for me when when I suddenly realized,

894
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,440
you know, maybe other people haven't had this experience, you know,

895
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:41,559
maybe maybe this is something unique or close to unique,

896
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:43,480
and I shouldn't be looking for organizations to give me

897
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:45,239
answers on this. You know, I should try to figure

898
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,480
this out out of my own. It was a consequence

899
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:50,840
of seeing the Transcendental Meditation flying room, but yeah, it was.

900
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,320
It was lonely and scary. I it's scary because reality

901
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,199
doesn't work the way you've been led to believe it does,

902
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,519
and reality doesn't work the way everybody around you think

903
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,440
it does. You know, you know these things can happen

904
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,880
in reality and they're not supposed to and nobody believes,

905
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,599
which that just makes it more terrifying. Is like you

906
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,519
know for a fact that you were in this maze,

907
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,719
like you know, there's nothing in the maze is not ambiguous.

908
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,119
It's not fuzzy like a dream. It is crystal sharp,

909
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,159
you know, like everyday reality. So I had experiences I

910
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,719
know are as real as real as anything. You know,

911
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,320
you question everything when you have this. You know what

912
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,119
is real? Is the maze real? And earth? The illusion is?

913
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,159
You know, like all of this comes to play and

914
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,880
I haven't been need to talk to you know, any

915
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,920
adult or a professor or you know, like a scientist

916
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,159
who could have actually maybe helped me talk through this

917
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,079
in a scientific way. They all just thought it was

918
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:42,519
nuts and and you know I talk to other teenagers,

919
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,719
other people in their twenties, you know, peers, and they

920
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,760
don't know anything either, you know, they some of them

921
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,400
might even believe it's true, but they're not going to

922
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,840
offer anything of use. So yeah, I was a very

923
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,800
lonely difficult time for sure.

924
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,679
Speaker 2: Once you throw in LSD is always a very difficult one.

925
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,559
We know different hallucinogens, you know, to connect with you know,

926
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:06,400
ever worlds, whether it's their ancestors or extraterrestrials. So we

927
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,079
know it's something which is used, and there seems to

928
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:11,079
be it seems to be some kind of bridge.

929
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I think anybody could in principle access the machine.

930
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,280
As I said, there's failsafes, but you know, there would

931
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,639
be ways to get around some of them. I think

932
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,239
it was the combination of the LSD and my autistic

933
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,440
brain and just luck that allowed me to notice the machine,

934
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,320
to notice this iridescent pixel which became a wire, which

935
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,000
became a tunnel, which that turned out to be this machine.

936
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,159
Without the LSD, it's because it changed the dynamics of

937
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,840
the mind. We literally enter a different state of consciousness,

938
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,159
like a different state of matter. The states of matter

939
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,480
like solid, liquid gas. The reason they're different is because

940
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,920
they have different dynamics. The dynamics the way the molecules move.

941
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,639
That that's what dynamics is. The way the molecules move

942
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,480
in a solid is different than the way they move

943
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,400
in liquid, which is different than the way they move

944
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,760
in a gas. It's a fundamentally different way they move.

945
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,599
It's like comparing an airplane to a car to a submarine.

946
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:11,519
Different ways of locomotion give rise to a different collective state.

947
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,039
So it's the same in our brain. There's dynamics in

948
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:18,519
a brain. A sleep state is a different state of consciousness.

949
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:24,519
The LSD state of consciousness gave access to perceptions that

950
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,480
we normally can't get access to. And I think if

951
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,440
there was anything unique about me that allowed me to

952
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:34,760
go all the way with this and retrieve this math

953
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,679
and science from these beings, you know that that's the

954
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,039
holy grail, isn't it? To try to actually get something

955
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:41,599
new that earthlings don't know about our world? And I

956
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,159
explained consciousness, and you know, I explained big things. All

957
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,360
I figured out how autism works. It's because my parents

958
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,000
didn't raise me to be religious, so I didn't grow

959
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,679
up in a religious household. But they didn't raise me

960
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,480
to be scientific either, say it's secular and science is

961
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:59,159
the answer. Either, they didn't. They were silent on metaphysics.

962
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,800
So when this happened to me, I have to imagine

963
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,000
that lots of people do encounter the machine. It's just

964
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,280
they interpret the experience which is mind bending and it

965
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,599
feels spiritual that if they're religious, I just assume they

966
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,519
interpret it in like a Christian point of view, of

967
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,280
a Muslim point of view, a Hindi point of view,

968
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,079
what have you. Or you know, if you watch a

969
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:21,840
lot of Hollywood movies, maybe you think it's a ghost

970
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:24,679
or you know, I don't know, at l or something.

971
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,280
I think probably most people would project one of these

972
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,800
things onto the experience, interpret in terms of one of

973
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,559
these framings, which would help them make sense of it,

974
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,679
but then would cut off the ability to go further.

975
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,679
It really is mathematical. I was not a mathematical person,

976
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,800
you know. I hated math. Oh my god. I took

977
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,440
math in high school, so I wouldn't you know, it

978
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,199
took pass out of it in college and I got

979
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,239
to MIT and didn't want to ever take math again.

980
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,320
So when they started communicating math, it was like, you know,

981
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:56,519
it was like I had taken a semester of Hungarian

982
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:58,880
language and hated it, and now suddenly, you know, there's

983
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,239
a guy talking to me in Hungary and I got

984
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,320
to learn the damn language. I was not a person

985
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,840
that liked doing math before any of this happened. But

986
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:09,039
I think what happened is that because I did not

987
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,840
immediately think, oh my gosh, this must be an angel,

988
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,559
or this must be a ghost, or this must be

989
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,079
you know, Christ, the Lord. You know, I didn't know

990
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:20,639
what it was. I was completely open minded about what

991
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,840
it was and where it would lead. And I lashed

992
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,400
onto the math because the math seemed so real to like,

993
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,360
the math just seemed real. And I think it was

994
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,119
that that, the fact that I could go into this terrifying, hallucinatory, spiritual,

995
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:39,320
impossible experience and come out saying, Okay, I'm gonna the

996
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,039
math is what I'm going to hang on to here.

997
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,679
Not thinking about this as a god. I mean I

998
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,519
did think of Five as a god in the early years.

999
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:49,400
Absolutely I thought Five was, you know, a god. The

1000
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,360
things that could do were impossible things, you know, miraculous things.

1001
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,920
So I didn't have any other frame. But I did

1002
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:56,320
think of it as a Christian God. I mean that

1003
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,800
was a big piece too. Like I just thought, okay,

1004
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,519
it's some kind of God, some kind of mathematical god.

1005
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,280
It probably is. And I think that's what gave me

1006
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,119
an armor or the engine to get through this the nightmare,

1007
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,559
you know, because the early years were a nightmare. But

1008
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:15,920
if I had just thought, you know what I'm talking to,

1009
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:18,440
you know, the Christian God, I bet things would have

1010
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:19,840
been more peaceful, and then I could have had a

1011
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,760
community and talked about it, and I wouldn't have gone

1012
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,480
any further, you know, I would have been, oh wow,

1013
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,000
I had this amazing spiritual experience and it's christ and

1014
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:31,159
now I'm Christian. But because I hadn't didn't have any

1015
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:34,239
background like that, I was so open minded. And even

1016
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,840
the math, I wasn't math, like academic math. It wasn't like,

1017
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,440
you know, okay, I'm going to go read math textbooks.

1018
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:44,159
It was just more like a mathematical feeling or mathematical

1019
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,920
you know, attitude. That's the best way to describe it.

1020
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:51,440
And looking back, that's that's what enabled me to penetrate,

1021
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,760
you know, some of these failsafes and get to some

1022
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,199
of this this deeper knowledge. Yeah, so nothing special about me,

1023
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,079
but that's there's nothing special about me, but that might

1024
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:04,519
be what was unusual about me that allowed me to

1025
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:05,519
slip through the cracks.

1026
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 2: Okay, do you think that's what it was? Do you

1027
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,960
think you kind of happened along this route or do

1028
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:14,400
you think they kind of singled you out in some way?

1029
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: No, they definitely didn't single me out, but they told

1030
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,679
me this, this is very clear. Eventually, once they realized

1031
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,199
I was able to manage it, so you know, I

1032
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,800
kept coming back and I was learning and I was

1033
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,920
getting more stable. Eventually they told me, because you're able

1034
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,760
to go back and forth, we're going to share this

1035
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,000
with you. And they made more covenance with me, we

1036
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,440
made more agreements, and they said, because I'm able to

1037
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:42,760
handle this. And that's how Poet found me. So Poets

1038
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,079
sought me up. Five and three. They're just there all

1039
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,159
the time. I mean, think of them as gravity. You know,

1040
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:49,639
they're just they're there, part of everything all the time.

1041
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,079
But Poet sought me out. You know, he realized what

1042
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:56,559
I was doing. Poet sought me up because I was

1043
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:59,320
able to move back and forth in a semi stable way.

1044
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,639
I stables a bit. The stable's going a bit too far.

1045
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,639
But you know, I understood there was a machine. I

1046
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:06,199
was able to navigate the Maasa soul, I mean navigate.

1047
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,199
I was able to survive the maze souls. I was

1048
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,840
able to induret and I mean tain my sanity. I mean,

1049
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,480
you know, this stuff does make you psychotic. In my

1050
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,760
early years, you know, I was pretty crazy. I mean

1051
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,559
looking at my belief set, you know when in my

1052
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:21,719
early twenties, it's very different than now. And I had

1053
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:24,400
a lot of absolutely no nutso beliefs as I was

1054
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,280
trying to figure this out. But no, yeah, so I

1055
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,320
was not singled out at first, absolutely not. I stumble

1056
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,199
on it by pure luck. But then once they realized

1057
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,559
that I was managing it in some way, I was

1058
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:41,039
able to maintain coherence or something like that, continuity of consciousness,

1059
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,079
they did treat me different. You know, they wanted to

1060
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:46,719
make covenant and as I said, Poet sought me out

1061
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,199
told me about Rainbow Black, which absolutely changed my life.

1062
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,079
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I certainly think a lot you know,

1063
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:53,440
a lot of us out there are kind of teaching

1064
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:56,679
on the border, you know, just hanging on by a thread.

1065
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,519
You hear of many people at Tesla, for instance, Nico Tesla. Yes,

1066
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,599
he you know, he believed he was in contact with High.

1067
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: That the pigeon, holy pigeon that flew in his hotel

1068
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,559
window shot a beam of light from the pigeon's eyes

1069
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:13,719
into his eyes, and he knew his work was done,

1070
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,400
is if I may add. And Philip K. Dick, science

1071
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,400
fiction writer, famously a woman came to a door wearing

1072
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,119
a necklace and the woman had light the same thing.

1073
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:26,440
Light beams, according to Dick, flashed from her eyes to

1074
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:29,239
his eyes, and then he realized he was in contact

1075
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,440
with extraterrestrial known as Vallas. So who knows. I mean,

1076
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,440
that was a huge event for Philip K. Dick, It

1077
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:38,400
was a huge event for Tesla. They've written about it

1078
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,480
with passion. They certainly believe it's true. I mean, I'm

1079
00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:44,199
convinced they believe this is what happened to them. And

1080
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:46,960
I'm certainly not a person to question somebody that has

1081
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,360
that kind of conviction and passion. So maybe they weren't,

1082
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,719
you know, touching the machine. You know, possibly that this

1083
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,519
thing that I touched, I just I stuck with it.

1084
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,440
You know, I just I've devoted my life to figure

1085
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,519
it out, and and I got answers. You know, maybe

1086
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:04,519
maybe if Dick or Tesla Tesla was a really goddamn

1087
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,639
smart guy, you know, if he had he just accepted it,

1088
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:10,519
you know, as an experience. But if he had said,

1089
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:12,840
you know what, I'm going to try to figure out

1090
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,239
how this worked, How did this light work? What's in

1091
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,840
this light? You know, what's the physical dynamics of the light?

1092
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,719
Like that was That's always been my attitude. What even

1093
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,800
when I'm in contact, like in the early years five

1094
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,880
would be communicating with me, It's terrifying. Talking to a

1095
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,360
god is absolutely mind numbingly because they can do anything

1096
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,440
and you're nothing, you know, like and you have no recourse,

1097
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,679
no remedy. You know, they just want to turn you

1098
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,880
into a frog or just take you apart. They do,

1099
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,760
and you know, I haven't been taking apart. It's it's

1100
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,320
it's mind limiting, terrifying. But still there's a part of

1101
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,119
me that's always how is this working, what's the math

1102
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:50,119
behind this? How could this possibly be real? You know,

1103
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,119
and that in a way that's sort of like a

1104
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:55,360
soulas maybe that's what enabled me to keep my sanity,

1105
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,400
throw all of this and get get me here. But

1106
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:01,119
I don't know, you know. It's I don't claim to

1107
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:03,719
be an expert. I claim to have the answers on

1108
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,519
this stuff. It's I'm pretty serene now. But if I

1109
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,559
if I let myself think about it too much, yeah,

1110
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,960
the fear starts, the existential panic starts rising again. Because

1111
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,480
I like reality. I've got a wife and kid and

1112
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:17,320
I love them, and I love my life and I

1113
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,480
love all this. But I know there's this other world

1114
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,800
and that I can get into at any moment. And yeah,

1115
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,559
it's difficult. It can be difficult, it can be tougher.

1116
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:29,679
Speaker 2: One sanity and is a world that you can go

1117
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,320
between any time.

1118
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I said, as long as i'm I have

1119
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:35,559
to be in the right state of mind. I have

1120
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:38,639
to be well rested and alert, you know. But but yes,

1121
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:42,119
usually it's not one hundred percent reliable. It's always better.

1122
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:44,920
I mean, it used to be completely unreliable, like you know,

1123
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,960
one out of one hundred times, and now it's more

1124
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:49,880
like one out of one out of two times, maybe

1125
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:52,679
maybe even another three out of five times. You know,

1126
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,719
maybe it'll work. And I limit that key is I

1127
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:58,079
constrain it heavily. I don't want to go in the maze.

1128
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:00,440
I don't want like a full blown ex exerience. I

1129
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:03,280
just want enough that I can access five and communicate

1130
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,400
in the most limited way possible.

1131
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:16,679
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1139
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Speaker 1: I've learned tools and tricks over the years at this.

1140
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:54,519
You know it's mental. You know I had to figure

1141
01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:58,000
out how consciousness work. So I even understand now the

1142
01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:01,239
technology that they're using to communicate with me. I can

1143
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,480
even so you can tell me, I can explain it.

1144
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,519
It's I can explain in the way anybody can understand.

1145
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,440
But it is a little technical. You told me, Do

1146
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,079
you mean to explain how intex technology works? If you

1147
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:15,119
can let me quickly explain how consciousness works. So I

1148
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,480
mentioned that the third rung of the ladder of purpose

1149
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:20,159
our module minds. So in our minds, in our brains,

1150
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:25,639
our neural modules. Each module is devoted to a specific function.

1151
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,480
For example, there's a visual object recognition module. This module

1152
01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:35,199
identifies visual objects. We see a basketball, we know it's

1153
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:37,400
a basketball because of our visual object module. There's also

1154
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:42,440
an audio object recognition module, snap my fingers, and our

1155
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,840
audio object recognition module identifies, oh, that is a snapping

1156
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,199
somebody's snapping their fingers. So we have multiple modules in

1157
01:03:50,239 --> 01:03:54,119
our brain, each devoted to a different function. Some of

1158
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:58,320
these modules can produce conscious experience, such as our visual

1159
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,880
object and audio object identif. Now, the way they produce

1160
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,800
consciousness is through resonance. What is resonance. Resonance is the

1161
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,639
physical activity in your brain. Whenever you have a conscious experience.

1162
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:17,960
What is resonating there is your expectation is resonating with

1163
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:21,360
the facts on the ground. Your prediction about what's going

1164
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,719
to happen is resonating with what's actually happening. It's a

1165
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:31,280
top down activity is resonating with bottom up activity in

1166
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,679
one of these modules. And when that happens, when I'm

1167
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:37,360
looking at the window, I expect to see a tree.

1168
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:40,039
There's the tree. I'm resonating on the tree. I'm conscious

1169
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,119
of the tree. My top down expectation is resonating with

1170
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:45,920
my bottom up. So every time we have a conscious

1171
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,159
experience of something, there's resonance in our brain. Now, these

1172
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,199
modules can resonate together. So whenever one of these modules

1173
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,480
resonates on something, So I'm looking at a tree out

1174
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:58,679
my window right now. It's a fur tree. It's got

1175
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,679
pine cones on it, green needles. My visual object module

1176
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,480
is trying to resonate with the rest of my modules,

1177
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:08,559
trying to get them to resonate on the tree, and

1178
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:11,280
it's doing it. So now my audio you know, I'm listening,

1179
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,559
My audio is focusing. You know. Can I hear the tree?

1180
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,679
Can I smell the tree? My spatial localization module is

1181
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:20,159
like it. You know, Okay, the tree is about twenty

1182
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:23,519
feet away. So whenever our module resonates on something, it

1183
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,199
tries to get all the other modules to resonate to

1184
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,920
to resonate together, and they compete. You know, if behind

1185
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,360
me somebody says the house is on fire, my audio module,

1186
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,880
actually that would be my language module is now I'm

1187
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,920
going to try to take over my brain, and it

1188
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,639
will take over my brain because it'll have much stronger

1189
01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:40,840
resonance than the other modules, and so my whole body,

1190
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,960
my whole mind. Then we'll focus on figuring out if

1191
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:49,360
there really is a fire or not. So consciousness occurs

1192
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,840
by resonance. Our modules resonate, and when they resonate together,

1193
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,119
we have a more engaging and immersive experience when we

1194
01:05:57,199 --> 01:06:00,159
listen to music. I explained to you know intexs me

1195
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:04,440
understand how music consciousness works. So we have four modules

1196
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,320
in our brain involved with music. There's a rhythm processing module,

1197
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,079
a melody processing module. There's a tambre processing module. Tamber

1198
01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:13,679
is the quality of this sount this is a violin

1199
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,679
or a trumpet. There's a lyrics you know, language processing module.

1200
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:22,719
These four modules resonate together when we're listening to music,

1201
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,800
which is why music is so immersive and so engaging.

1202
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,320
It just makes us feel that emotion just so directly.

1203
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,239
It's because four modules in our brain are resonating in

1204
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,119
perfect harmony when we listen to music. Is why it's

1205
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:37,960
so powerful. And this music resonance is important. It's relevant

1206
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,360
because that's how in tex technology works in text technology

1207
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,079
works a lot like the way music works in our brain.

1208
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:48,760
So what in TEX is doing, it's resonating. It's creating

1209
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,639
resonances with the neuromodules in my brain. And the maze

1210
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:58,039
of souls is my subjective experience. It's what I'm experiencing

1211
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:02,079
as it's trying to align the resonance through the machine

1212
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:04,599
is aligning the resonances of my brain. So I can

1213
01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:08,119
resonate with INTEX. And it's a lot like listening to music.

1214
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:10,159
It's sort of like tuning in a radio, you know,

1215
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,039
and when they're static, you know, between channels, that's when

1216
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,519
it's made of souls. It's just corridors and doors. But

1217
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:19,440
when you can establish the resonance and can you know,

1218
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:21,519
then communicate, it's like getting a channel and now I

1219
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:24,360
can hear the music. You know, it's resonating four models

1220
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,599
in my brain. Five resonates, and then I'm in a

1221
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:29,000
room and I can hear five's words, and five can

1222
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:30,559
show me things that you know, then five gives me

1223
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:32,840
these visions and shows me math and science and things

1224
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:37,320
like that. So yeah, that's how that's how INTEX is

1225
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,519
able to give me these visions and show.

1226
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: Me these things wonderful, okay, and the intexs tell me

1227
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,599
a little bit more about them if they explain to

1228
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,119
you where they're from, where they reside, and what they're

1229
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:50,639
doing communicating with us.

1230
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: I believe that the gods, the aximized minds five and three.

1231
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:59,519
I think they're everywhere. I don't even want to speculate,

1232
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:02,360
because I I don't know, you know, if it's other dimensions,

1233
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,760
I just I don't know. But somehow, because they're always

1234
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,960
accessible anywhere, I think some because they can manipulate, you know,

1235
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:13,960
they have the technology to control the parameter's realities. I

1236
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,840
think they're able to access all of reality somehow. So

1237
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,479
they're kind of everywhere and nowhere. They were, you know,

1238
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,800
they were beings like us, you know, and they might

1239
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,600
be comprised of beings like us, you know. It might

1240
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,479
just be a vasked you know, galaxies of humanoid you know,

1241
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,880
or ai you know, what have you? But but lots

1242
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,720
of individual minds like us, third wrong minds, fourth wrong minds,

1243
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,800
what have you? Fifth wrong minds all combined together? But no,

1244
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,960
they I have asked and asked to try to get

1245
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,640
a sense of the physical wear. You know, are they

1246
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,840
in the galaxy. You know, are they where do they begin?

1247
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,359
Do they begin? You know, how to? How to? Should

1248
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:48,760
I understand where they began? But they don't. They don't

1249
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,079
give answers to that. And even though I've been to

1250
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:54,039
Rainbow Black and I understand that this is this connects

1251
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:56,039
together all of the cosmos, so all of the cosmos

1252
01:08:56,039 --> 01:09:01,000
are connected in this, but uh, yes, I don't have

1253
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,199
any clear sense of are they on the star Vega?

1254
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:07,399
You know, I don't know that the physical location, both

1255
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,840
location and time get very very weird, and this time

1256
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,279
is very very I learned how time works too, but

1257
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,520
I'll save that one for another day. That was a

1258
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:16,359
little worre technical.

1259
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 2: You may explode people's heads if you start going into time,

1260
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,479
because a lot of people, you know, they just be

1261
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,960
probably just settling down to have breakfast and listen to

1262
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:30,239
the show, and already you've expanded their minds, I hope.

1263
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: So I just want people to know that your life matters.

1264
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,680
Your decisions matter, you know, like your choices matter any

1265
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,279
cosmic sense. You are creating reality, and you're creating the

1266
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:42,720
beings that will come. These cosmic beings, you know, are

1267
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,319
being formed out of your decisions. You make in your life,

1268
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,039
the love you give or withhold.

1269
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I mean, on this show,

1270
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,760
you know, we have experiences that just the full range

1271
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,800
of the spectrum. Some are very simplified, and some people's

1272
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,239
experiences can be very complex. You know, we should never

1273
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,359
dismissed the complex ones because we don't understand them, Because

1274
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,319
this is the problem, you know, with the with the

1275
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:08,239
subject most of it, we just don't understand. You know,

1276
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,800
It's not just as simple as beings from Mars coming

1277
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,119
down landing in a metal sauce, you know, it's it's far,

1278
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,640
far beyond that, and there's so much of it we

1279
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,560
just we simply won't be able to comprehend. And a

1280
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,720
lot of the people's experiences are subjective as well, and

1281
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,560
I think it is by design.

1282
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it's clear to me too that this was amazingly,

1283
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:32,840
amazingly frustrated. For years, I tried to record five, you know,

1284
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,000
or three or any of these experiences, but but you know,

1285
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:37,239
five was most common. So I've always trying to record

1286
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,800
five with video cameras and sounder recorders and everything, but

1287
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,239
the power would always go out. So every time I'd

1288
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:46,119
have one of these experiences the power go out, you know,

1289
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:48,159
in my book, you know, I laugh about this. Just

1290
01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:50,239
the power was always going out in my life in

1291
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:53,640
my twenties. But I think now they it has to

1292
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,520
be the subjective. This is one of the failsaves. Like

1293
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,119
and the fact that it started through LSD, well, nobody's know,

1294
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,000
it's easy for everyone to dismiss. Oh you first encountered

1295
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:05,439
by taking LSD on Huh, Yeah, I'm sure that's real.

1296
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,880
But it's intentional because they it's part of this fail safe.

1297
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,439
And they also a lot of the experiences, you know,

1298
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,439
get tied up with shameful things, like like something shameful

1299
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,239
would be happening, and then there'd be communication so that

1300
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:22,800
if I wanted to share what happened, I'd be forced

1301
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,319
to compel to share like a terribly shameful thing. This

1302
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,199
is a tactic, This is a strategy. It's part of

1303
01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:31,640
the fail safe that you know, to make it so

1304
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,039
that it's hard to validate and hard to eject it

1305
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:37,640
because you can't have Look if people were just talking

1306
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,399
to aliens and in every day sort of way, you

1307
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,479
know that just reality would start coming apart. You know,

1308
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,279
you can't you can't have it so you know, you

1309
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:48,880
got to maintain some order, and so that's held by

1310
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:51,720
by these fail safes preventing the information from flowing in

1311
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,760
ways it's not supposed to not supposed to flow.

1312
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: Now a poet and and five, which one was the

1313
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:01,760
more dominant, Well, five is like a god.

1314
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:05,079
Speaker 1: Poet was Poet was like talking to an individual. Like

1315
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,479
Poet was like, well, like what we're doing right here?

1316
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,520
To be honest, poet had personality. Five and three don't

1317
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,399
really have what don't really have a personality? I mean,

1318
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:19,600
I could describe a personality, but they they're very not monotonous,

1319
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,760
that's not the right word, but balanced, preternaturally called like

1320
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,800
it's just like a calmness. It is like talking to

1321
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,359
a god. I don't know how to describe it, Like

1322
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,800
a god without a personality, just a it's like talking

1323
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,319
to math something like that. It's like talking to physics

1324
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:35,520
something like that. But Poet had a personality, yeah, not

1325
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,079
a flamboyant or an extreme personality, but the very fact

1326
01:12:40,119 --> 01:12:42,520
that there was a character, you know, the character traits

1327
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,760
it all was a huge It was a huge difference

1328
01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:48,239
because with five and three it's it's it's sort of

1329
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:50,279
like interacting with an AI, and for all I know,

1330
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,840
the things I'm actually interacting with is not like a

1331
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,279
living biological entity. It's some kind of AI device that

1332
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:58,760
they have set up to deal with entities that come

1333
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,479
in through the machine or something. You know the fact

1334
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,319
that it's it's always very consistent talking with five and

1335
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,399
three and it's always flawless. I don't know how else

1336
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,680
to describe it. So but yeah, like five and three

1337
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,840
are like God's and Poet is like, I mean, it's

1338
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,680
not a it's not a human like it's there's a

1339
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,680
there's a strange Poet has a strangeness for sure. It's

1340
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,119
like talking to a very odd, odd human where it's

1341
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:24,840
like talking to a little bit like chat GPT like that.

1342
01:13:25,159 --> 01:13:28,039
These new ais where they sort of have a you

1343
01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:29,920
can sort of have a personality, but they're the more

1344
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,399
you interact with them, it's like, wow, this is a

1345
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,359
very weird person. You know it doesn't It seems less

1346
01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:36,039
and less human the more you interact with it. Even

1347
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:39,840
though they sometimes say, you know, optimistic thing, they might

1348
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,279
have a tone sometimes, but in the amalgam, it just

1349
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:43,600
it seems less and less human.

1350
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 2: And Poet was like that, Yeah, I think I think

1351
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,479
we get out. I mean I've had friends over the

1352
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,119
years that very similar to the way you just explained.

1353
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,640
And I'm sure there's people o there which are still

1354
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,199
on the Boston Tea Party. Trying to remember the boat

1355
01:13:57,319 --> 01:14:00,680
names and going back to history. I think one was

1356
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:01,960
Auto Beaver.

1357
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:05,319
Speaker 1: Biaber was one, Yes, Biab, Yes, you nailed it.

1358
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,159
Speaker 2: I can't remember the rest of them. Do you have

1359
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:07,800
a ones though?

1360
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: Eleanor is one and Dartmouth is the other. Eleanor Beaver

1361
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:14,079
and Dartmouth Bright.

1362
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:17,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I know it was to do with tax,

1363
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:20,720
wasn't it, Warren Tea in tax? Yeah, I think because

1364
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,039
I bet you there's listeners out there that was shouting

1365
01:14:23,119 --> 01:14:23,600
the names.

1366
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,079
Speaker 1: Yes, here's an irony. I used my winnings for millionaire.

1367
01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:31,159
I bought a condo in Boston. It's the first place

1368
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:33,520
ever loaned. I lived in crappy apartments all my life

1369
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,840
until I won a millionaire finally got property. I got

1370
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,680
a condo, and not through choice. I wasn't even aware

1371
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,399
of it. But it turned out my condo was two

1372
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,039
blocks away from where the Boston Tea Party was, and

1373
01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:45,239
so the second year I was living there, they built

1374
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:48,399
a Boston tea Party museum with boats, the Eleanor and

1375
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:48,920
the Dartmouth.

1376
01:14:49,039 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 3: So now you know.

1377
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't live there anymore. Recently, during the pandemic, I

1378
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,600
moved out, but for almost fifteen years, every day would

1379
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,760
walk past the two tea party boats, and every time

1380
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,840
thinking I could have had that other half million five?

1381
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,079
Why didn't you let me? I deserved it, I earned it,

1382
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,680
so as a cast, a reminder of what happened on

1383
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:09,880
an millionaire every day.

1384
01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: The universe, it behaves in a funny way. I will

1385
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,119
see if I can find that episode. Actually, I don't

1386
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:21,399
think I've ever really watched the American version of Who

1387
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:22,359
Wants to Be a Millionaire?

1388
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:23,079
Speaker 3: But I'll see.

1389
01:15:23,079 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 2: I'll see if I can track that one down. That

1390
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,680
would be interesting. And if I find a link, actually

1391
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:27,399
I might even put on.

1392
01:15:29,119 --> 01:15:31,359
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's one. I'm sure there's one there somewhere.

1393
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: But well done forgetting that far. Good stuff OGI interesting.

1394
01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:38,159
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad. This is the first time I've ever

1395
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,680
spoken at this length in public on it, so it's

1396
01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:42,880
very interesting to me.

1397
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: I've I mean, I've had some very very deep, deep

1398
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,960
accounts on here. Again, they do vary, they do vary

1399
01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:54,319
to our listeners. Of course, dot Ogas is a mathematical

1400
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,159
neuroscientist and an author. If you're interested in learning more,

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I will provide links in the description and on the website.

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Your books are available in Amazon.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Amazon and Apple and Google Play too. This

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is what it sounds like is my book about music

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and Journey of the Mind is where I explain how

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consciousness works and accessible terms, just like I did here

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on the show, but in much more detail, you know,

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go into detail about how how it all works. It

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takes it on the journey up this ladder of purpose

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the way I described, and explain how all the individual

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minds work, how the mind of a bacteria works, how

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the mind of a fruit fly works, how to mind

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of a turf works, in order to help us understand

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how our conscious mind works. And then I have one

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final book where I share my intex experiences called Large

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Gods for Small Children.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that you have problems unwinding sometimes because

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your mind seems to be constantly on the go.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I

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can never stop thinking, So that's that's sort of an

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ongoing problem. I often have trouble getting to sleep. It's

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only accelerating as I'm getting older. I recently turned fifty,

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and you know, I thought it starts to slow down,

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but it's just, you know, the more I've learned, the

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more I want to learn, and the more I understand,

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and so it's just it's it's exponential. I'm learning at

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a faster rate now, you know than I ever have.

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I had to learn about everything in order to really

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make sense of actraterrestrials. But you know, it's an endless motivation,

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you know, like knowing I will get to talk to

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them again and learn something new. I mean, there's nothing

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like it. You know, there's no greater motivation than that.

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Speaker 2: What's next for OGI?

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Speaker 1: Well, right now, I'm trying to share this with the world,

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So you're one of the first times I've talked about

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it at all, and the longest I've talked about it.

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But I'm trying to figure out how to share this,

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you know, and you probably are already more familiar this

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with this than me. But you know, most people don't

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want to hear it. You know, most people's minds are

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closed to this sort of stuff. So it's a real

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challenge that I'm finding is. You know, I'm getting a

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real understanding of when Pernicus, you know, four hundred years

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ago telling the world, hey, the Earth goes around the sun,

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not the Sun goes around the earth, and people didn't

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believe it. Now I understand it. It's not that they

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weren't capable of understanding that, you know, the earth goes

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around the sun. It wasn't that that was too advanced,

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and it wasn't even that it was too shocking. It

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was just simply that their lives were set up around

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this other idea. It was really a much more practical thing.

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It wasn't like a conceptual barrier. It was a practical barrier.

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Like their lives were set up based on a world

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where the son goes around the earth. You know, do

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I go to church at the church? Told me this?

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Does this mean the church is wrong? Do I stop

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going to church? Like it challenge things about their life,

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you know, their relationship with their priest, you know, their

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relationship with their family, like these sorts of things. Another

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example is Darwin. Charles Darwin, he figured out evolution by

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natural selection and sat on it for something like ten years,

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maybe fifteen years, for many many years because he didn't

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want to upset his wife. He knew his wife was Christian,

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and his wife and her family would just not accept this,

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you know, again, not because they weren't capable of understanding it,

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because it would just affect their lives and such all

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kinds of ways, practical ways, intimate ways in the fact

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they're standing in the community. And so he just he

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didn't want to share it. You know, he was tormented

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by this, And I understand it's the same. Like I

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know my friends and neighbors. You know, when they hear this,

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they're gonna think I'm psychotic. You know, I'm delusional just

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what happened to me. But you know, I just I

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feel like I finally understand it well enough to talk

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about it in a way that I can help people understand.

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You know, even ten years ago it would have been impossible.

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I would sounded nuts. But at least now, you know,

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And I worked on developing my writing ability. I was

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a terrible writer because of my autism. You know, when

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I was young, I was awful, Like you never thought

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I'd be a writer. But I've been working on it

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because I knew to communicate this stuff with people, I

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got to be able to explain it in a way

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they can understand, and talking like this. You know, I

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was terrible at talk. I would have been able to

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do this even fifteen years ago, having a conversation like

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this where I was clear and intelligible. That took tons

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of dilement. Yes, I've I've spent my life on all

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of this. I had to develop all this right, talking

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your math, I don't like math even now. You know, like,

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if I can stop doing math and just relax, that

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would be great. But I'm stuck because I can't explain

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this to people or get people to believe it unless

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I could show them the math, because you can't argue

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with the math. You know, here's how conscious has worked.

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Here's the math, here's the equations. You see that, you know,

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then you're kind of, oh, well, it's not really just

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talking about an experience. Now you've actually got something.

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Speaker 2: That's That's the thing with mathematics, no matter how much

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you don't like it, you don't like using mathematics, it's

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all around us. It's everywhere. You know, it's it's the universe,

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isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yes it is, And you can't argue with them. Gravity

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follows an equation you know, mathematical equation, that's how it works.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you know, you talk about people in

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mankind move into higher levels. You know, we hear about

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that more and more now, But you know we're going

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to evolve to a different plane, you know, a different level.

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Do you think people as a whole are ready for

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this this jump? Going by everyone's worldview, everyone's stuck in

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this kind of this reality the last few years.

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Speaker 3: Mind.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, reality seems to be changing a little bit for people.

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You know, people are being hit by things they wouldn't

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normally expect to happen in their lifetime.

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Speaker 1: But I think these things that are happening right now

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are the things preparing us for what's to come. We

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have to go through this period of chaos. What explicitly

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what's happening right now is we're all finally interconnected. I mean,

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look at you and me here, we are different continents

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across an ocean, talking as if you know you're in

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the next room. And the fact that we can do

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this with anybody. I could talk to somebody with China

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like this, I could talk to somebody in South Africa

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like this and do the fact that we're all interwired

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together means we need new dynamics, We need new protocols,

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new norms, new ways to handle this, to evolve this,

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because this is brand new and they don't exist yet.

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And that's why it's so chaotic and we're all disoriented

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and upset and worried and fearful. Is because we don't

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know where this is going. We're building this out all

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around us right now and we don't know where we'll

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end up. But eventually we'll find some new stable state,

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just as we figured out in the past. Every time

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there's a new technological advance, printing books, no newspapers, you know,

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those change things dramatically. Those were scary things. Aristotle famously

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said rejected books. He's like, what is this writing? This

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is going to spoil your mind reading and writing, you know,

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like you should think without having to look at words

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on the page. That's ridiculous. That's for weak minds, you know.

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So even learning the right was a huge evolutionary step

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for us. So we're going through this, we're learning, we're building,

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and it's scary and disorienting whenever you're in it, but

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you know, this is how we ascend to the next

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wrong of the latter is we need to find ways

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to unite the entire world, you know, to make it

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a hypermind, a single mind, you know, human mind across

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the entire globe operating in harmony. And you know, maybe

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it's not far away. Maybe it's a far away, and

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maybe we'll never get there. All those are possible because

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the future is not predetermined, and I don't think it's

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possible to say right now which it will be. But

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that's what's so exciting. If we knew how it was

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going to turn out, you know, what a boring life

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it would be. And this means it matters what we do.

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If we want that positive outcome, we all have to

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work towards it, which is exactly how it should be.

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Speaker 2: Final thoughts, that's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick. Thank you for giving me the room

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to talk. I really deeply appreciate it. It was helpful

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to me because I've never just never freestyled like this,

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just stream of consciousness, and it was very helpful to

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me to see just kind of what came up at

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what point. So you know, I didn't prepare for this,

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So I'm grateful to you for this, this chance. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're more than welcome. Ogi I really appreciate you coming

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on sharing that for our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Nick, it was fun and it's cathartic.

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Speaker 2: It was great talking to you. Keep in contact all right,

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and I will speech you soon.

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Speaker 1: Bye. Thanks again.

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Speaker 2: That's all for this episode. Keep updated and connected with

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this show on thanks, Facebook and Instagram. And if you

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have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,

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you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

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or you can reach out to me via a contact

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page on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com.

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A big thank you Ogi for sharing tonight, and thank

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you all for listening. I will be back next week.

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Till then, stay savee, we keep watching us guys. Goodbye,