Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Inquisition Podcast.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: We have our regular panel convened tonight. Pete Canone's, Tomas
Trip seven, Stormy Waters and Me Astral, your host, and
we have a lot to get to. So much keeps happening.
What are we two weeks into? Feels like twenty twenty
five has been several years at this point. We're two
weeks into the Trump presidency and a lot has happened
since the last show. So we're gonna put that off
for part two of today's episode because I wanted to
start out, we haven't actually really explained why did we
name this show the Inquisition? Why why is it called that?
I hoped I like to think that it's a self
explanatory to an extent, But we're going to take a
minute to explain, you know, what the Inquisition has to
do with, you know, kind of like our mission here
and why why we why we exist? And kind of
in addition to that, you know, this this show started
because me and Stormy we're talking for a long time.
I mean, at this point it's been a couple of
years and we've been trying to find a way for
me and him to get on the mic and just
put out continuous content. And we noticed a couple a
couple big events happened in the last couple of years,
particularly October seventh and then the Trump assassination attempt, and
now the election of Trump. It looks like things have
kind of like sort of re situated themselves and kind
of realign. There's been like a realignment on the right wing,
and I feel like the dust has kind of settled
right now, and we saw an opening. We saw a
riff that formed, and people have kind of settled into factions,
and we can talk about those factions later, but we
saw an opening where nobody's really speaking to the things
me and Stormy believed the way Me and Stormy see
things in America and historically as well. So of course,
who better to join us than Pete and Thomas. So
we'll get to that. But first, we were talking before
the show, Thomas and Pete why we name the show
The Inquisition, and Thomas was dropping some knowledge. I'm wondering, Thomas,
if you can kind of get back into what you
were saying about the reality of the Inquisition. It's one
of the most misunderstood and maligned periods in European history.
So if you could kind of give us a little
bit of a background, we'll take it from there and
explain how that relates to what we're trying to do
here in our current situation on the American right in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like I said, I'm not a medieval list
and I'm not Roman Catholic, but I do know something
about I do know something about the subject, particularly as
it relates to the development of the modern state and
the fourth ings of the Kaolic Church in the late
Medieval in early modern period are it's essential to understand
those things to understand the development of the modern state
before and live. I mean the point that the reason
why government workers and people in the administrative elopment are
called they referred to as clerical workers because clerics literally
used to be responsible for those of domains, you know.
And even magia Velli he he suggested that Ferdinand Isabella
created the first modern state in Spain, which is a
bit which is a bit in congruous of the overall
overall trajectory of European political history. I mean that this
happened in Spain. That's a little bit outside the scope
of discussion. But even as Spain entered, like the Westphalian
era arguably spearheaded it. You know, before before the pace
it was failure was in with anybody's contemplation, you know. Uh,
the Calolic Church constituted kind of the middle layer of
the administrative state, and obviously enforcing political consensus and preventing
subversion of the state by priestly clerical elements was essential.
I mean, I think the point of people a lot too.
You know, the Inquisition endured for three centuries, you know,
and in Spain during the Civil War, in three years,
the Communists slaughtered more clergy people in three years than
the total number of people executed by the Inquisition over
three centuries. This is ideal, like like like randos who
are conceptually illiterate, Like the Inquisition is like the Crusades.
It's like this thing that they have no understanding of,
they have no knowledge of, they can't tell anything about it.
But it's some stand in for something that's really really bad.
But you know, I enforcing a consensus is essential, and
I mean, obviously that's kind of the tragedy of the
Catholic the Roman Church.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 3: They're negatively political apparatus. I'm not saying that umutively, it's
just a fact. You know, I'm not I'm not down
on Catholics or Catholic people or their institutions, but you know,
so that uh, it's it's hard enough and even a
congregational level to prevent people from you know, subverting doctrine.
You know, for somebody like me, you know that, Like
you know, the thing is, if you were a reform
to congregant, there's alway there's kind of a readily available
metric to the kind of preclude that. And that's scripture,
you know, And despite what people tell you, like, scripture
is not just this open ended thing, you know, it
actually it actually it actually does a concrete meaning, and
you know it, Uh, it's it's kind of it's kind
of perfectly invocable as as controlling precedent. But and that's
the short answer as to what the inquisition was. You know.
And obviously there were abuses they're in because I mean
there always are in any kind of police apparatus, but
or you know, defacto or literal. But you know, the
more important than the enforcing of the consensus in in politics,
particularly like where we fall on things, is there there's
problems that people it's like declaring that they're that that
they're part of our ship when they're not, or just
like declaring that there's some like big tent sensibility that
exists like that, doesn't you know? I made the point before,
like most they hate shit. I get it's some of
these like random like conservatives or like white nationalists weirdos
like declare that like I'm like doing them dirty by
like representing the message raw, and I'm like, to me,
you're just some faggot, like you have nothing to do
with me. Yeah, like we're not part of the same thing.
But that's kind of a different issue. But if that's
what you were asking in fact, and I didn't misunderstand, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean there's a big difference between you know,
people talking shit and people who don't really hold our
views or if not even like down the line point
for point, like big picture long term goals, like what
do they want to see happen in the world, what
do they want for America for the future, and what
is their opinion on the global uh geopolitical landscape as
it as it rests right now, and where do they
wanted to go? There's uh there's differences of opinion, and
then there's active subversion. And I think the Inquisition was
partially to get to get rid of people who were
actively subverting. I mean you said, not not on not
on record, but earlier today you said, they can't have
like revolutionary priests with like some sort of you know,
idiosyncratic doctrine doctrine running around.
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, if you're if you're a priest, you've
you've got certain dispensations. You know, it's not it's not
like being a general, and it's not like being you know,
some like middle level elected official or something. You know,
and especially the way the Roman Church does things. And
again this doesn't mean trashing Catholics. Prese have a lot
of power because there's a huge there's a huge body
of work adjacent then, like to the Scripture and Catholicism,
you know, and it's it's written in languages that very
few men can read and understand, and it's it basically
it's a lifetime of study. So if you're if you're
some like regular person, and particularly in those days when
a lot of people, you know, weren't literate, I mean
now most people are like functionally illiterate, but like I'm
talking like in in in in in literal terms, you know,
like they like if a priest tells you something and
he says, you know, this is that, this is this
is what you know, this is what a quinas said,
or like this is you know, this is what this
encyclical means. You know that that's tremendous power there, man,
you know, and that uh you know, and and there
is a sense of you know, don't question me. This
isn't your domain. You know, I'm a priest and you're not.
You don't know of what you speak. And yeah, you
do need and you do need to give clerical types,
you know, something of a wide birth and not not
trying to regulate. You know, there the scholarly activity or
or the way they proselytize like win certain parameters. But yeah,
there was Clerical people are uniquely situated to cause problems.
You know, Like I'm not talking about somebody like that
ridiculous like you know, like like pretend pastor lady who
was like trying to excoriate Trump, like nobody pays attention
to people. It's like laugh at people like that, and
like nobody like like nobody actually believes and like bullshit
like woke Episcopalism.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So there's like there's like four like blue haired ninety
year old ladies to like go to churches like that.
Like nobody gives a fuck, but if you're but if
you're a Catholic priest, you know, and particularly i mean
this emerged and look at like the I mean, I'm
I'm always probably most people listening to this, but you
know during when when the Cold War in the final phase,
when things got really hot in Latin America. Uh, you know,
like an Salvator particularly, you had like Warsaw Pack to
like a lied priests who were like, we're basically dropping
like Marxist Leninists doctrine on people. It's like, oh, this
is this, you know that this is correct doctrine, you know,
and particularly in a place like call Salvator, Nicaragua, where
where people were in like enduring like truly material deprivation,
you know, and and we're being impacted by that political
violence in day to day terms, like like a man
like that wields tremendous power, you know, So this isn't
just something that you know happened in ancient history. And
that's That's why John Paul the second was so essential.
It's not just that he's it's not to said he
was like a poll and he like stood up to
the he stood up to the Communists, the Stalinists in
Eastern Europe. I mean he also you know, he was
like this beloved guy and he he could, uh, he
could basically enforce doctrine like contra these subverters about looking
like some kind of brute or some kind of or
some kind of political cipher for you know, like American
or the unders of America or like or you know,
the bundest Republic, which in those days it's that they
had been more time than they to day. I mean
not not like cultural terms, but in terms of how
they conducted you know, the Cold War and things like that.
So yeah, that's it's important, man, And that's why that's why,
that's why it gets so angry. And it takes a
lot to get me angry. Frankly, I'm like an incredibly
chilled person when these uh, when these fucking morons like
on the internet they get mad at me for like
making fun of like Princess Dicky Spencer or like bread
mold yarb and like no and I'm used to the rights.
I'm like the some motherfuckers I'm knowing to do it,
like these guys aren't part of the rights. And even
if they were, okay, so what they're assholes, you know,
Like I mean, I don't. I'm not gonna like, I'm
not gonna like not criticize assholes because of some imaginary
big tent uh political party you think you belong to.
You know, it's not nothing to do with me. And
like I I mean, I don't. I don't fuck with
that stuff anyway.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like a I don't know why it's
not clear to people. I guess because people don't read.
I'm not. I'm not trying to sound like some no
better or something. But I don't understand when you can
like read my shit and then like misunderstand it or
get it twisted. It's like, I'm not trying to build
some political party. I'm not. I'm not I'm not trying
to like I'm not trying to like capture like the
Republican National Committee or like get people to like vote
for this like random congressman or something. It's like, I
don't care about that ship. That's fucking bullshit or I mean,
if that's like your thing, fine, I mean, I that's great.
I'm not gonna like make fun of people if that's
what they're into. But that's got nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1: But that's probably I'm glad you said that. No enemies
to the right thing though, because there's a difference between
punching right and calling out uh, you know people who
are actively lying or subverting.
Speaker 3: Well look, yeah, they also think that, like they also
think that like crazy Zionists who love Ukraine or like
or like terrified or like hood rets or like right
wing or something like. It's like, what that has nothing
to do with me, man, Like I.
Speaker 1: An't Yeah exactly, Well, I wanted to say that when
you're if you know you read, let me let me
when you read.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think one of the one of the
best sources on the Inquisition is De Maestra Mike and
Imperium Press has a put out a version of his
letters he had written to a Russian noble that's not named,
but basically what you see is it's the Inquisition. Was
it's gatekeeper. That's how it started out. It was okay,
are these Catholics? Did they have a genuine conversion, and
then what it becomes is it becomes a court system.
It becomes a judicial system where they bring people who
are accused of crimes and the priests investigated and then
they make recommendations to the cortes. And you know, I
don't think now you can make the argument that the
Inquisition was pretty much done by the time that they
disbanded it. But I don't think it's a you know,
it's a coincidence that as soon as they disbanded it,
Spain basically erupted into chaos and had three carlist wars
like one after another over a twenty year period. It
seemed to have it seemed it was something that actually
worked as a keeping a cohesion in order, you know,
and probably Spain losing the empire was probably the worst
downfall that could happen, but that was bound to happen.
But yeah, I think the Inquisition is very very simple
to understand, especially I mean, the Demestra thing is just
a pamphlet and you read those and you're like, okay,
this is he's explaining exactly what it was, and it
was gatekeeping and judicial process basically.
Speaker 3: No, the the Iberian States and France like needed the
Catholic Church, like it's an essential part of their but
like sociologically it's necessary, like otherwise their play low culture
has no context and it can't function. Yeah, that that's
one hundred percent true. Like Morass was an atheist, but
he's like he he he'd speaking of gatekeeping, he'd exclude
people who attack the Catholic Church from action Frans because like,
we can't do that, because that's totally self defeating. And
he was like literally an atheist, like he didn't he
didn't personally give a fuck about Catholicism, but he's like,
you can't. You can't dismantle Catholicism in France and solve
it anything, you know, because it'll have no core.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so yeah, the people you find most often
punching right are the interlopers and not the real people
you know. Very often, the people who you find punching right,
you trace back where their influences are, where they're coming from.
They're not coming out of right wing institutions, or they're
coming out of institutions that have a long storied history
of subverting the right wing. So I'd like to name
some of them soon. But Pete just to stick to
what you were talking about, because that's what you just said.
That's the conversation that made me want to do this episode.
We talked about this a few months ago. When you
say conversion and was it a real conversion? Are you
saying that or just just a meestra say that some
of these people had pretended to convert in order to
insinuate themselves into sow discord or to propagate their own ideas.
Speaker 4: Well. According to his his letters, a lot less than
you think, it seemed like the majority of the Jews
and the Muslims who had converted to Catholicism were genuine conversions.
And it seems like the court is really only punished,
did any punishment, put any punishment upon them when they
were openly lying and they wouldn't leave because they were
given they were given the option convert or leave the country.
You had to you either converted to Catholicism, you had
to go. And they realized, well, some people are gonna
lie and and it's okay with their religion and their
belief system to do that so that they can stay
in that they can continue to subvert subvert the country.
So yeah, I mean the one thing you get outed
to Maestro is you realize the inquisition. The inquis sitters
came to the conclusion that a lot of them were
genuine conversions, but there were a lot that weren't.
Speaker 3: Well, it's also yeah, and that's the thing like with
like especially in the case of like Modonno's Yeah, it's
a it's a term of derision for a for a
Jewish converso, but a lot of these guys to pe point, yeah,
like uh like tell them what to Judaism definitely says
it's okay to like trick people who like aren't of
your tribe and basically like mirk them, and there's nothing
wrong with that. But if you're gonna go with through
your life like literally pretending to be Catholic, like keeping
up appearances and fooling your Catholic neighbors, doing everything a
Catholic needs to do, like especially a couple of centuries ago,
or even like even a century ago. So it's like
basically you're gonna be like you're you're actually like a
believing Jew who hates Christ, but you're gonna literally pretend
to be Catholic twenty four, verse seven. I mean that
that's not yeah, there's guys who did that. But so basically,
like you're gonna I mean, it's not like a life
that's really sustainable for a lot of people, you know.
I mean, that's it's so I mean, there's that it's
somewhat self regulatory, but it's also you know, a lot
of this is a maybe a bit upside the skull.
But the eighteen forty eight revolutions, a lot of that
came from within dissident elements and Catholicism and a lot
of these like kind of utopian socialists who were like
proto Bolsheviks. That was a huge thing, you know, and
so and obviously like the Inquisition had been profoundly weakened,
and like the internal regulatory mechanism that you know, extrinsic
to the Inquisition and it kind of been defanged. That's
one of the reasons why that that's one of the
reasons why like the like the carless fiction of the
of the Nationalist Coalition in Spain in the thirties were
like so aggressively, you know, trying to root out non
believers in their own ranks. But like a lot of
that came from guys who were Aposta Catholics, you know,
some of whom are Madonnas, but like a lot of
whom were like Spanish radicals, you know, so that it's
a it's a it's a it's a complicated thing. I mean,
like I said, if you're I mean the Tholanism just
like totally different, you know, like I said, like if you're,
if you're somebody like me, you know, like not only
is there not like a true reform congregation, like we
don't even accept like synods and ship That's why, like
it's a joke when I'm this one these jokers in Missouri,
like they they declared themselves to be like the Reformed
Synod or something and declared that like Calvinist Presby's basically
need to like prove that anti semitic. So basically like
pretty much like every congregation is like yeah, that's what
we think about that, you know, because it's like the
fuck are you? You know, like it's you're you're nobody,
you know. But it in the Roman Church there is
a hierarchy, you know, and it is global in scope
and a yeain, I'm not like saying that it's bad
or something, but that's just what that does change things
you know, and it if you get people uh, you know,
if you get if the pope is compromised in some way,
you know, and you've got some kind of counsel, a
cardinals or something that uh, that that's able to kind
of guide the trajectory of a church policy that can
be catastrophic, you know. And that's that's what was it,
The threat of that was emergent, especially eighteen forty eight.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I'll bring it up to the present
day in a minute. I want to stick with this
just for a couple more points here, Pete or Thomas,
off the top of your head, about when do you
think the Spanish Inquisition started and how long after the
Reconquista was that more or less or do you even
look at the beginning of the Inquisition starting in Spain,
because I know there was multiple.
Speaker 4: Most people will say fourteen ninety two. The Demeestra points
to interviews that were being done earlier, in like the
fourteen twenties, what was it the Paul Fahrenheit and I
talked about the Disputation of Tortosa, which was in the
fourteen twenties, which was basically a bunch of Jews and
a bunch of Catholics had, you know, basically it had
open conversations and there were Jews who actually converted, like
on the spot. It was kind of kind of odd.
But so I think to my strip points to that,
But really it's fourteen ninety two. It's when you're coming up.
I mean, I guess some might say fourteen eighty eight
to give it a couple give it a few years prior,
but yeah, then and then I think really it's an
eight around eighteen twenty. Some people say eighteen thirty one
is when it ends, but it's really probably around eighteen
twelve when wars are kicking out all over where, there's
war everywhere, and they just it's it's abandoned at that point.
So and it's probably that was probably just the time
that it needed to go away a change. I mean
obviously that if you really look at that, there's a
changing of the spirit of the age at that point
that's taking over in Europe. I mean, would you agree
with that to Thomas, a changing of the spirit of
the age around.
Speaker 3: That time, definitely. And it's also the that post uh,
the post Jacob in post Reign of Terror epoch, and
I mean the the Battle of the Nations and you
know Napoleon's final push for European and this world domination. Yeah,
that that that changed everything, among other things. And yeah,
the nineteenth century, you know, I I I buy what
haswell I'm said about about the long century in the
nineteenth century in Europe being uh in relative terms, uh
you know, a uh in power political terms, you know,
a period of a stasis. Eighteen forty eight was kind
of a punctuated exception, but that but that didn't turn
into something like the j and Revolution of the Bullshrik Revolution.
But after after Waterloo, like Europe basically like settled into
stasis contra America, which was like tearing itself to pieces.
But yeah, that's that's correct. And yeah, I the uh
the Roman Church had like a day after die like
not in doc final terms, like in political terms, you know,
they they couldn't do things the way they did before.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, yeah, uh, Pete, that's more or
less when I uh understand the beginning of the Inquisition
as well. And I I read about a Spanish priest
named Alfonso Diaspina whose book The Fortress of Faith, which
I didn't realize at first was never translated out of
Latin and it's known as the fort to light them
uh fe day. But basically, and this speaks to a
lot of what Thomas was saying about the Inquisition in
the eighteen or excuse me, in the Middle Ages. In Europe,
the communication, you know, took weeks or months for people
to communicate with each other across across Europe. So the
Roman Catholic Church kind of had to rely on its
bishops and its deacons throughout throughout all of Europe to
kind of all preach the correct doctrine. And this guy,
Alfonso de'aspina, went to Nuremberg right after the printing press
was invented and told many stories about Spanish Jews who
converted to Catholicism and had become priests, who had been
seen a I mean, he accuses them of all these rituals.
I read about this in a book about Simon of Trent,
so it's obviously about blood libel, but he also accused
them of teaching the wrong doctrines. And he accused them
of uh, you know, scheming or making concessions to Muslims
against Christians. And of course, you know, this is considered
a bunch of propaganda and lies. Interestingly enough, this is
all also how the Transylvanian Saxon spread information about what
Vlad the Impaler was doing to them. They also went
to Nuremberg and that's where they would print all these
books and they would get spread around, and so that
more or less tracks with the inquisition for both people
who don't preach the correct doctrine but also have false
conversions or maybe have duplicitous alignment or duplicitous allegiances. And
that's kind of how we came up with the name here.
That's how we came up with the name here because
we've been seeing rhetoric floating around, especially after October seventh,
it's been escalating, and a lot of the rhetoric that's
around the supposed online right mirrors or mimics of rhetoric
that we've been hearing for decades now from certain factions
in American right link discourse, where there, like I said earlier,
the punching right typically is done I've seen by interlopers,
and you have a lot of these figures or figureheads
who are doing a lot of this that work behind
the scenes or are paid or funded by somebody who
is very openly not aligned with our ideals. And I
could just drop a bunch of names, and they all
go back to things everybody's familiar with, particularly the American
Enterprise Institute. So and the Manhattan Institute is the other one.
These both arose more or less at the same time,
and these institutions, especially the American Enterprise Institute, are responsible
for and they were the place of publication for a
lot of the neo Kon ideas that of course ended up,
you know, putting all these people in infamy with the
war in Iraq, and they ended up being the never trumpers.
And lo and behold, you know me, Stormy and Pete
were doing some investigation and we find people who are
fron some of some of the very same names, right
that were part of all of that, are still, you know,
showing up within the right, within the online right, and
a punching right and b pushing ideas that are just
not aligned with what we think. So I don't know
if where you guys want to start, but this all
started when Stormy showed us, or showed me the board
of the Manhattan Institute. And the first thing I noticed
a was that many of these board members on the
Manhattan Institute were also board members of the American Enterprise Institute.
And the second thing I noticed what's stuck out like
a sore thumb was Bill Crystal's nameless on there, who
was one of the most infamous neo cons that that
that exists. And of course the American excuse me, the
Manhattan Institute is behind the huge push for DEI and
anti c RT, which seems very very amenable to right
wing thought right. It seems like we're against that, which
I think we all are. But it turns out the
reason they are against DEI and CRT and are pushing
all of this, and there's a ton of money behind
this push, which we can get into in just a minute, uh,
is because, of course DEI and CRT lends itself to
anti Israel and anti Zionist rhetoric. So the occupier colonials,
I mean this is specifically on their website they say
this term, these terms specifically occupier and colonialists, which were
applied to white Americans, are now being applied to Zionists
and Israelis. So they have to shut that down.
Speaker 3: Woke now it is, well, I mean, nobody supports that bullshit,
So like that's part of it because these guys, like
like the Project from the New American Century, guys they realize,
they like they realize they have to keep up certain
appeurrences so like and like part of their whole thing,
part of their whole ongoing thing, is that, oh, you're
not right wing, you don't support Israel, and Israel are
like these white people and they're being besieged by these
bad brown people who are who are socialists. Like it's
it's it's very it's very fake, it's very very uh
at odds with reality, but that that's basically where that
comes from. And it's also too like these guys, they
they want to control the narrative and they want to
present it like, oh, there's these people who don't like
Israel because they're socialists, or there are these wol liberals,
like that's not you know, that's the these such that
there are like these fucking like NPC illiterates who like
think they quote support Palestine because the same kids of
people who simultaneously like think they love Ukraine like they're
not in the game. They're nobody's you know, like if
you're and they'll I've got some authority to speak on
this because like I fuck with a lot of Palestinian
people and a jay and elements here, and you know,
they they've got a pretty active community anywhere's University of Chicago.
It's a pretty active, like Palestine liberationist tendency like that.
The truly like left wing ideologues, like guys like Rashid Khalidi,
they're basically they're basically like old school like paleo leftists,
a lot of whom are like very very Maslim, like
the idea that they're the kinds of guys who are
who are into like Kamala Harrison, and that bullshit is retarded,
like they're they're two totally different things. So take take
with a grain of salt when Zionists claim that we've
got a real Bigdei, because you know, it's it's a
bunch of wokies who hate Israel. It's just more of
the same, like Israel is the only Western country in
the Middle East, because if you're some crazy Jewish guy,
you're Western, you know, like it's uh, it's it's it's that,
it's that same fucking Horley shit exactly.
Speaker 1: No, I'm glad you laid that out because what I
wanted to add to that is that what you're saying
now right, You see that thrown around on the quote
unquote dissident right right by A nons who are supposedly
these hardcore you know, racists whatever A nons, dissidents, the
stuff Thomas is talking about that. You see, they didn't
come up with this, They didn't just start saying this.
I mean, some of them are historically illiterate and they're
they don't know what they're saying, but they're not They
didn't invent it. They're picking it up. And you know,
I'm old enough to remember these exact same lines were
printed by people like Bill Crystal, Jeffrey Goldberg, David From
in the op eds in the New York Times, in
National Review, on Fox News, and too. Sam fucking Harris,
the atheist New Atheists used to say exactly this shit
in like two thousand. This was how they, you know,
justified the run up to to the UH invasion of
Iraq and the people that they were calling left wing,
you'll you you'll be called a third world is sen
a left winger? Right now? If you say I don't
think Israel should you know, be like completely decimating and
massacring Palestinian women and children. You'll be called left wing,
just like David from called Pat Buchanan and just like uh,
Jeffrey Goldberg called Sam Francis left wing during the war
on up to Iraq. So this has a storied history,
and these people are doing the same thing, and they're
literally the same people because all those people were coming
from the American Enterprise Institute. So I'd like it. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why I was supposed to. Like, it's like, okay,
like like Zionists and a sort of other like human trash,
call me you left wing. Okay, I'm a left wing
like a I mean, that's that that means much of
me as somebody calling me a fagot, you know what
I mean. It's like, okay, that's great, Like I I mean,
I this is a subject for another day. But I
I don't. You you can't even really talk about right
and left wing after the Cold War because it doesn't
really exist. You know, there's there's globalism, and intrinsic to
the globalist enterprises is a belief in the legitimacy of Zionism.
And there's the resistance, and like the resistance is a piss.
These different cultures and and you know the different playabo
cultures and different you know, human cultures, you know that
that are very different from one another. But like that
that's all there is. There's not this that That's why
so many people are like confused as fuck, Like there's
not that they think that there's like this wide spectrum
of ideas that's like competing for hegemony like in this
like soide around like West or something like. That's that's
that's that's literally at odds with reality. That's like decades
out of date. You know, there's not there's only there's
only globalism and the resistance, and there's only one way
like modern states are configured. You know. I made that
point again too. That's why like the democracy floating signifier
doesn't make any sense. There's not like dozens of ways
that you know, states are configured, you know, and there's
not there's not some struggle underway, you know, between you
know what what it used to be called the first
world and some like alternative system that like where billions
of people live under you know what I mean, Like
that doesn't make any sense. It's like I'm left wing
like I that, but it's also too, like we're not
we're not a political party. So I mean, even if
I was like, okay, so what you know, I I don't.
I don't like like Jackson A. Hinkle, And I think
a lot of the like the series left, like the
post Marxist uh left, has made some of a comeback,
at least if you're talking about plitical theory types. Like
he makes the point again again too, you know, and
he's like he's like, you know, he's like he's like
Harris voters and the kind of people who plump money
into that campaign. He's like, he's like, why are they
left wing? He's like, there's like if anything, He's like
a lot of them are just like hyper capitalists, degenerates
who who who you know, can have decided like try
and create some sort of ideology around their like weirdo lifestyles.
But that's actually uh traditional Marxist to do that kind
of stuff, as as some kind of like stop gap
effort to like preserve the capitalist structure. It's like, Okay,
we're gonna let you be as degenerated as you want.
We're gonna give you all these incentives we're gonna create,
We're gonna carve out like certain entitlements, you know, like
free healthcare, you know, to to basically prevents, you know,
the advance of the historical process. I mean, obviously I
don't accept that paradigm, but that's but it's the idea that, uh,
but this idea that you know, these are like doctrinally
principled left wingers or like people who are actually like
knowledgeable about legal theory, you know, like on you know,
on the wocal left or whatever, like he like hinkles
right about that, Like these these people are just stupid assholes,
you know, and like they're not they don't know what
the fuck they think.
Speaker 4: Well, there's also the point that you make, Thomas about
how once you realize it's globalism and anti globalism third choose,
saying that you're a third positionist is just that doesn't exist. Now,
what what do you think? All the way I look
at the people who say their third positionist is is
they don't want to be associated with some of the
people that are anti globalists. So they're like, well, you know,
I'm not going to be on the side even though
they may be fighting my enemy. I'm not going to
be a third worldisc And you know and say the
Palestinians and cheer on the Palestinians in their fight. So
I'm gonna be I'm a third positionist because you know,
I can't be associated with certain people. It's almost like
this like they're like some kind of weird like like
they they think they're above it all and they don't.
Speaker 3: Well the same guys. I think they're bad as is.
I don't care what it is in the Middle East.
It's like okay, I mean that's if you're a grown man,
you don't get to like not take a position or
you can, but I mean just admit you're an NPC
and like you're not in the game, you know, like
it doesn't that's it's like, uh, this this idea that
well what's also too like the guy's saying this kind
of stuff like they live in places like America or
the UK. It's like there there is no Briton, like
there was no like, uh, you don't live in some
you don't live in some like European country that's you know,
got some like robust independent like political system. You know,
it's a it's like what happens to you is decided
in Washington and what happens in and was decided in
Washington impacts this entire planet. And you know, the what
what happens in on battle fronts like Ukraine or Gaza
has this positive impact on what policy is within the
global apparatus. And anybody don't understand that is profoundly ignorant.
Its not a question of caring about things. And like
anybody thinks that too, doesn't understand politics. You know, it's
a question of power activity and whether you know one's
enemies are are succeeding or failing, and uh, you know
what position you take on you know, you the the
enterprise is that your people's enemies undertake is critical to
their objective. You know, Like I'm I but I mean
I don't. I don't argue this point with people who
say those kinds of things because they're stupid, I mean else,
Like incidentally, like I you guys are talking about these
punch to the right types, like I run across Randoh's
and they say, like that's why I hate like the
quote red pill metaphor, like like globalism and the sociation regime.
It's not just like secret nobody knows about. And you've
got to be like a weird to some like special
gnosis to understand it. Like anybody thinks that way is
a fucking retard, you know. It's like the same people
are like, no, you shouldn't criticize Richard Spencer because see,
like first you read like William Crystal, then you can
read Richard Spencer. Then you find this guy's website and
you you get red Pill. It's like, what the fuck
are you talking about? Like there's not It's almost like
the way police talk about draw. It was like, see,
first you smoke marijuana, you know, then you start doing cocaine,
and then you're like shooting Fenton Al into your eyeballs
and like you're good like like that, who the fuck
thinks like, because what they're doing is they're like plotting
their own weirdo uh faux intellectual journey to whatever stupid
ideas they have. So they claim that like everybody is
somehow like brainwashed by legacy media. And then like you
start reading stupid stuff by zionists. But then you realize
you're like afraid of black people, so you start reading
like some crazy Jewish guy who like you know, is
a race realist. But then you like start reading this
you know, it's like that's I don't know how anybody
can think that way. But this is also why, you know,
I this is also why I'm always making the point
that we're not trying to convert in armies because they're
you know, I mean not that I'm so smart, but
it's not a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of
being able to, you know, perceive political realities and understanding
the implications of these things. And like most people aren't
built for political thinking, like they're not hard enough or something.
And I'm sure that's a component of it, but it
like people get this or they don't. Like some some
people can understand theoretical physics, most people can't. Well, most
people can't understand politics. They just can't. Well, I don't
think that's just the way human minds are.
Speaker 4: How does that relate to, you know, the culture bearing
element is that, I mean, the people will think that
because they've been quote unquote red pilled on the JQ
or something all of a sudden, and now they're they're
like part of the high culture of a you know,
of a society of a group of a people.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean that that that's obviously asine too,
but it's also like these guys they I mean, you
can sell when you're talking to somebody, like whether they
understand these things and like a meaningful capacity. They don't.
Like even most of these guys who are like yeah,
like I'm pulled in the JQ, they don't even understand
what they means, Like they have this idea that like
Jews or it's some standing for bad guys or something,
or like oh, Jews are left winging, Like they don't.
They don't actually understand anything about it, you know, like
and it's it's not I mean most like uh probably,
I mean the were only the majority of people. I mean,
you can't put a percentage on it. But like most
people have no business like trying to fuck with politics
that they just don't, just like I've got no business
like deciding I'm gonna talk about nuclear physics, you know.
I mean yeah, like whenever where the rubber meets the road.
I mean, politics impacts people onto logically, like whether you're
like what like whether you're a guy who works at
a fast food restaurant is like Q of eighty, or
whether you're some like savant political theorists, you know, the
like the friend enemy paradigm like impacts people in like
day to day like real ways and like instinctively, you know,
people understand these existential realities like on some like primitive level,
I mean obviously, but in terms of actually unpacking and
identifying like what the aspects are of of a of
of of political reality, like theoretically and practically, like like
ninety percent of people like can't understand that whatsoever or
they've got no business like dening to like try or
think that they have a say on it, because they
have no fucking ability to That's the issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, in terms of like punching right and you know,
calling people names, I don't necessarily give a shit about that,
although sometimes people do get hurt, and some of the
stuff that happens is really fucking nefarious and and the worst,
the worst ship that you see like dosing and stuff
I've I've never seen that happen on the right except
for from one of these fucking mouthpieces who works for somebody?
Speaker 4: H Oh, when when the t R s? When?
Speaker 2: When? When?
Speaker 4: What the hell was the name of that d One
of our friends, one of our good friends, was part
of this podcast that was like a Southern identity podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet I'm thinking of the same one you are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they all got docks. How they get docks. They
got dogs from the inside, by their by their quote
unquote friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was it It's not the was it the rod
rare one?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No, this was this. This goes back to right around
right around Charlottesville.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're some kind of weird free who like yeah,
yeah I know something. Yeah, any's there's something really really
wrong with that guy. But no, and that's a serious thing.
But it's also I mean people, especially normal people with families,
who who you have like a nine to five job
or like a professional career. I mean, obviously they they've
got to they've got to guard their privacy. But I
people who who people who don't at families and who
strike a partisan posture, like like you've got to like
you've got to just like grow up and like stand
by your ship and like stand on business. And if
you like I feel if you're like terrified as some
like some like crazy Zionist or there's some like pink
haired lady he works for like an m g O
like going into the internet and saying you're like a
bad person who said mean things it's like, well, you
really gotta like fucking check your ship, like you shouldn't
care frankly, you know, but uh yeah, I.
Speaker 2: More of this are thing is for everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the thought I'm sorry, oh but no, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say to your point, that's what
I was. That's that's exactly where I was drawn the
metaphor with the inquisition. You know, why are you anonymous?
If you don't have any you know, anything to lose.
Why are you anonymous? Is it to subvert? Are you?
And some of the people, you know, some of the people,
most of the people I have in mind actually aren't anonymous,
like Roderer and there's a few others. But some people,
some people are anonymous, and you wonder why, you know,
And it's interesting that you find out that they have
these subversive agendas and you say, is that why you're anonymous?
Because you didn't want people to know that about you?
Speaker 3: Well, also, the other the other problem too, is like
the people have liked them, Like generally people have liked
the memory of a goldfish, like one of the things
that's fancy to me, like when it became like what
I mean when I say like woke is dead. Is
that like basically that like the zeitguys just like shifted
right word and like normy terms.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now there's like a million idiots like this fucking
homo like Cernovich or is that Thernovich, Like he literally
is like this. He was like this like pee Way
like wigger idiot, and he'd like he literally used to
like post on this blog about how to like score
with like trans people and like be a sex tourist.
And then like when that hustle dried up, and like
pee Way's game with Lola Cow's he's like, I'm mister
right wing. I'm pro white, you know. And now now
he like slimes his way into like all these like
uh normy like right wing events and shit, and it's
like I said, I'm like, dude, this guy's a fucking faggot.
I've told people, I'm like this guy's like he's like
he's like that idiot who used to like wear that
big hat that talk about how to pick up girls
like that was his hustle. Like now he's like, oh,
I'm mister right wing like and people like look at
me like I'm an insane person. It's like, do your
fucking diligence man, Like most of these guys they're they're goofies,
like who have some kind of resume like that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hunter, he's literally a scabies infected training like enthusiasts. You
come read my blog about how right wing I am,
and let me tell you how trans penis tastes like
pennies and made my mouth feel weird like nigger, like
who are you? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: It's also like why why are these guys like suddenly
like an authority on stuff? You know?
Speaker 2: It's this is the thing that bothers me is how
rapidly these guys have rows with virtually saying the same
thing as like Bill Crystal.
Speaker 1: Well, some of them are are backed by institutions with
money and I'm gonna I'm gonna yeah, I don't think
Cernovich is I don't know. I thought he was self made.
But some of them.
Speaker 2: Is self made like astro am I self made? Yeah,
did my money your Yeah?
Speaker 4: Divorced his wife and like sued her cocot her for
like millions of dollars.
Speaker 3: And rent boy like stay at House closband, who was
like making aervy like sex blog, like yeah, that was.
Speaker 4: To do that I'm not gonna if you're gonna do that,
I'm not going to judge you. But don't be fucking brat.
You know, don't like you. Yeah, you fucking hit a
home run. No you didn't.
Speaker 3: Well, all these all the one of the reason, it's
one of the reasons all these cornballs, Like I didn't
think this was still a thing, but like there's this
whole new generation at cornballs were like I even alpha male,
but it's like you've never read a job. You're basically
like a male prostitute who like hangs around in some
faggy jim old day and like lies on some girl
or some guy's couch like that that's alpha male stuff.
But it's uh. But like all these guys like they
all decided they're like right wing, like when they realize that,
you know, like I said that, like nobody everybody viewed
it as coornated like talk about how to pick up
girls because like younger people don't like that kind of stuff,
Like nor should they. No, it's stupid, But that's but yeah,
like half of the half, like the online right or
like these fucking queers.
Speaker 2: I actually know three prominent right wing authority figures that
are professional, professional house husbands, and some of them you
would know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's like we're suppose.
Speaker 4: May be you may have been on one of their shows,
or two of their shows or three of their shows.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, this shit's a joke, and like that's I mean,
that's uh yeah, like these guys are these guys are
studio gangsters rit large.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but they're they're gonna lead kids. These are
the type of people that tell kids to like, hey,
go do this or go do this protest activity and
just get young dudes hung hum like hemmed up while
you're sitting there making sure your wife's dinner is made
on time.
Speaker 1: That that's why we have this show, man, That's why
we have the show. So you don't fucking get thrown
off track by these jokers. Like because people believe the shit,
people lap it up, especially young impressionable guys.
Speaker 2: Uh what a young man like want to do? Like
when I was twenty two, I only really cared about
getting laid and getting glory and sometimes like they're that's
the age. Unfortunately, it's the age when a man, young
man starts to realize that you know, like when you're
when you're growing up, like you know, you basically take
what your parents tell you as like as a gospel, right,
like your dad's a superhero, or you know, somebody in
your family is like you know who you're idolizing, like
you're probably related to and whatever, and like you believe
these people and whatever, like their way of their paradigm
becomes yours. Twenty two to twenty three is when you start,
you know, questioning things. It's also the same age when
guys are really really susceptible to being led by guys
that they admire. And this is the thing about all
these fagots is they're all like you know, generally the
ones that are face fagots, you know, try and like
mister I suck trans Pine Cernovich, Like he's a macho
man guy. Now he's gonna tell you how to be
a macho right wing guy. You should totally listen to
this guy. And there's three or four guys that are
just like this. And unfortunately the guys when time when
people are waking up and questioning things is also the
time when they're also most vulnerable to this shit.
Speaker 3: No, it's true, well it's also too like I try
to you know again, it probably sound like sound like
elitist dickhead or something, because you know, again, like most
people have no business trying to trying to understand the
politics at any deep theoretical level. But it's also like
I I swear to God, like half half of the
so called dissident right, it's like something like a lifestyle
brand of them. You know, it's like you just it's
like it's like a way of like getting cloud on
social media or like representing certain things in like internet space,
like these guys aren't. Like that's why frankly, like a
lot of time, I'll like I'll drop video of stuff
I'm doing. If eve known, I'm just like walking around
like doing kind of corny stuff because it's like this
is the shiit I do twenty more seven three sixty five,
and not like some guy in the Internet, like you know,
I mean some any internet who's like some like social
media right winger or something like what you know, Like
that's and if you're not if you're not actually engaged,
that's why I gotta laugh too. And like some of
these goofies like they try and they try and check me.
It's like, look, man, I literally know thousands of people
I can I can get on a bus or a
train and land in any state plus Alaska. Any I
don't know nobody in Hawaii yet, and I can find
a place to stay and like click up with friends.
Because we're literally building like an alternative culture on like
real world social capital. It's like, that's what the fuck
I'm doing. It's like, what are you doing? You're you're
some like weirdo on social media who like doesn't even
know his neighbors. Like who's who's like trying to like
push some lifestyle brand like that, Like you call like
right wing. I mean that because like I guess, because
like you tell like you tell like nigger jokes or
something like it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Well, these guys aren't too much of a problem now,
they're pretty easy to point out. But as there's like
shifts in our direction, there is going to be room
that these type of people are gonna carve out because
it's like with the guys selling boomers gold I raise,
there's gonna be guys that they're coming in to try
and get money out of these kids.
Speaker 3: Oh no, And it's uh, that's the problem too, is
that as like, on the one hand, don't get me wrong,
there's I'm not gonna be something like too cool for
school fucking jig off and and see like, oh this
is bad. That like if anything becomes mestream is bad.
The Overton window shift is that's for that's like a
net like win. That's a positive. But it does mean
that there's gonna be like there's gonna be all kinds
of shitheads who uh you know, decide that they're gonna
like self identify with these kinds of politics when it's
it's just like fake fucking cloud chasing bullshit.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: One one should double down on keeping. But like I
said before, one live for me, it hasn't been a problem,
you know, like I I don't I don't fuck with
corny people or like hobos or like ormies with fucked
up ideas. And I'm like singlely impressed with all the
people in my orbit, which has gotten pretty wide over
these past four years and some months. Man, it's not
it's not some kind of flex, that's true. I don't
mean to be abrupt, but I'm gonna it's been about
an hour and I got an early morning tomorrow, so
I'm gonna raise up, man, unless there's something else you
require when you write this minute.
Speaker 2: No, this message is not brought to you by the
by the Singer Family Foundation.
Speaker 1: Hey, so I wanted to say real quick, there's a
big difference between you know, a guy who just kind
of hears about what's going on and shows up and
like thinks what's going on is cool, but like doesn't
know that doesn't know the ropes, He hasn't learned the ropes,
he hasn't read the shit, or he hasn't been you know,
doesn't know the lingo or anything. That It's a big
difference between someone like that who talks shit because he
doesn't know any better, and someone who targets a certain
sphere for infiltration in order to try to like either
dampen the message, take the edge off the message, or
divert it into some other, you know, goal that him
and his people are working towards and not what is
a truly you know, right wing thing. Now for me,
call me naive. I kind of came into this because
I'm I. I spent a long trajectory over my entire
life coming into these you know, into this sphere. I
always kind of had the idea that certain things were
right wing, and certain things weren't, and nobody had to
like tell me that. I just sort of that's just
just how it was. Like, Actually, you know what to
that point, let me ask a question to you guys.
Thomas was talking about the resistance and you know, the
enemy whatever whatever he said, the regime or whatever it was.
He said, the regime and the resistance where and he said,
there's like no right and left and the Where do
you two think and where do you two stand on
the term nationalism? Because before I consider myself right wing,
I was basically a libertarian, you know, with some caveats,
and I always considered like nationalism to be what right
wingism is. And I decided that I was on the
right when I realized, like, hey, all of my fucking
morals and ethics align with what I understand nationalism to be.
So I guess I'm a right winger. So what do
you guys think of that term in the context of
what Thomas was saying about, like, there's no have to
write in more? Pete said, there's no third position. I mean,
do you like that term? Do you think it's a
useful term? Would you use that term?
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a it's a useful term. I
think it, Yeah, it delivers a message like currently it's
more of a against the regime dissonant message. But I agree
with Thomas that the way the world is going is
too you know, separation and smaller groups, smaller communities. And
it may just be one of those terms that we're
using that could be could still be used and be
useful in a way to identify yourself and you know,
hail yourself as you're not an enemy. But I mean,
I don't think there is anything useful in it anymore
when you consider that, it seems like especially people, a
lot of the people who think like we do are
moving to be around other people who are like them.
And that's a distinctly local thing, not a national thing. Yeah,
it's great, So you know, I you know, Hans t
Hermanhappa talked about in a speech he did in nineteen
ninety seven called what must be done like breaking into
ten thousand Liechtensteins, And I honestly think you're going that
that's an inevitability without the libertarian doctrine, so without the ideology.
So like, yeah, I tell libertarians now, I say, oh,
I definitely think that decentralization as far as politics goes,
is happening, and I think that the world is going
to eventually look like the world you want to look.
But it's not going to be with it's not going
to be with a liberty libertarian ideology in a libertarian box,
because that's just not workable. That you can't gatekeep and
be a liberty be a libertarian. I mean, it's just
it doesn't work. You can talk about coveting community is
all you want, and you can be like, oh, well
we got twenty families together that you don't believe every Well,
you're going to have kids eventually, you don't know what
the fuck those kids are going to believe. So are
you going to if your kid grows up not believing
what you do? Or are you going to kick them
out of the community? I mean, what's going It's just
it doesn't work. It's the way I look at it
is it's less about ideology and more about order what
people are going to go.
Speaker 1: To add I'm sorry, I'm not trying to interrupt. I
just wanted to say what you're talking about. People don't
talk about that, but that's you have to talk about
what you're saying to have any sort of realistic you know,
outlook and make realistic decisions. Uh, for to to try
to live a life that somehow resembles your ideals or
somehow reflects your ideals. And you know, Stormy use the
word zeitgeist. I think the word the zeitgeist is a
very useful term is played out as it is, because
the answer to what you're saying, as far as I
could tell, is if the zeitgeist kind of moves right
word or moves in a more nationalistic direction, uh, we
could like take a breath of fresh air. We don't
have to be, you know, quite so stressed out that
like the country is going completely off the rails, like
why mare republic republic level you know, degeneration and and
and insanity. Uh so that's why somebody like Trump matters,
you know, Stormy, I don't know if you if you
want to jump in with it. Where you think about
the reactionalism, I.
Speaker 2: Think nationalism fits historically. So when I say, like, you know, nationalism,
up until nineteen thirty, really the end of nineteen forty,
this country was over eighty percent Anglo Saxon descent from
C to C. I mean yeah, people will be like,
oh well, we took a bunch of immigrants in at
this particular time, and then all we took some more.
And really, you know, there's been a very fluid American identity.
And there's some people that I really like that will
disagree with me on that, and that's fine, that's their right,
But as being somebody that's been here since sixteen twenty,
it is an identity. It is a nation is an
ethnic thing. We can pretend it's not, but really that's
the cultural conditioning that we've been forced to imbibe. Historically,
a nation has always been in ethnos. So what Pete
is talking about and my ideas of a much grander,
less decentralized state or kind of one and the same,
And even though they sound contradictory, they don't really pardon me.
So if I go back to let's say nineteen forty,
a person in you know, Bozeman, Montana, or Twin Falls, Iowa,
or wherever. That person when he read his newspaper, the
newspaper was a local newspaper. When he cared about politics,
he would vote for his senator and his congressman. But
the elections that everyone around him was talking about were
the local ones. Mayor and governor, you know, county commissioners,
things like that. Those people did not care about much
anything outside of their local community, and nothing really affected
them much from the outside of the community except for
things that were important. On a nation state scale, America
is one giant geographic gold mine, and we all know
enough about power to know that if it is split
up into little bits, it won't stay that way for
very long because politics is a game of all and
the same thing with ideology politics is it's an outward
expression of inborn ideological principles. And some principles you are
willing to kill other people for some people, some principles
you're willing to risk being killed yourself. For some principles,
you are willing to, you know, sacrifice large aspects of
your life, financial and otherwise for right. So the different
things you believe in have different you know, things you're
willing to give up or give to them. But like
in a national scale, historically America has functioned very much
like a bunch of decentralized little communities in how people's
day to day lives were. But also at the same
time we're able to do grandiose national scale you know,
political objectives like transcontinental railroads and you know, globe dominating industry.
We were able to do two things at once. We
were able to walk end chew gum. So I don't
think they are necessarily, you know, in opposition to each other,
as long as they are like Pete is talking about
bound by the same rules and the ideological presuppo is
it like again, like politics being ideology personified?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: How you make sure that you're basically the same type
of social engineering regime that's been kind of put upon
us would have been in any other healthy nation, a
very same a very similar amount of effort being put
in to instill the values of a nation into its
young people. Right, National socialism in Germany probably put as
much effort as our Jewish social engineers put into us.
It was just different things that they were putting into us.
So personally, I believe you can both have decentralized communities
that only really care much about what's going on locally
without sacrificing a national quality when you need it, because
you know, unless we convince everybody else to give up
their nation states, we're going to have problems. What are
your thoughts on that side?
Speaker 4: Yah? Yeah, well yeah, no, I mean that was the
idea of the Articles of Confederation, right, You'd have a
bunch of a bunch of colonies that considered themselves their
own nation, and you you also had this confederation of
states that trade needed to be written down. You had
to figure out how you were going to trade with
each other. Also, what if you get invaded? I mean,
if one gets invaded, you know, it's like it's like
and Culture said about Canada. Canada doesn't even need to
have a military. We're not going to allow anything to
happen to Canada. And so if if at that time
North Carolina got invaded, you'd have to worry about that
if you were in South Carolina, or if you were
in Virginia. For you, so you have to have some
kind of confederation, sure, But I think we're going back
to more and more where people are going to identify
with their local or even their their state, maybe even
more so locally. But there's no reason why, especially a
country that you know, and I think I agree with Thomas.
It's going to take if the United States ever falls apart,
it's going to take probably two hundred years, one hundred
and fifty two hundred years. But in the meantime, we
are going to become more local. Communities are going to
become much smaller, and but there is you know, one
of the problems with the small community is you're run
the risk of getting overrun by a bigger one. So
I think, yeah, I think you're you're going to have
a confederation of states or confederation of municipalities and it'll
mostly be for for trade and for defense, and uh,
you know, even identity like.
Speaker 2: That identity I'm confused about because technology allows us to
have mass identity, So I don't I basically I don't
know how long would go about instilling domestic idea or
local identities into people that have the technological you know,
access to having niche national identity or even larger right,
so you know what I mean. Like, it's if I'm
watching some I don't know what kids do. I don't
have I don't have a fucking TV, but like I
know they I'm not I don't understand how TikTok you know,
functions whatever, But I know people are watching TikTok videos
of people across the country or the planet, and they
begin to develop some types of affinities and stuff for them,
like like Carrie Lakes run for governor like two years ago,
like I was reading, you know, almost constantly about a
governor's race in Arizona. Like I shouldn't give any fox
about a governor's race in Arizona, but now it is
a national political issue. Yeah, but you do have media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you do have to care about stuff like
that though. I mean, Arizona's a great example because it's
a border state, you know, so their policies matter. But uh,
you know, so having Trump in office, it looks like, yeah,
he got Mexico. He got Mexico to send ten thousand
troops to the border, and he's sending troops to the border,
so you know, in a way, and this is what
I mean about nationalism, Like he's overriding a lot of
the local shit with this and hopefully all of the sticks.
I mean, I hope everything he's doing sticks.
Speaker 2: I can see the think about like the Russian Czars.
I think that is the only land mass and kingdom
that has been that's even remotely similar to the United
States as far as size and resources and productive abilities.
I only think America stays together under under executive leadership.
Of singular leadership. I think if we I think anything
else than Pete and Thomas are correct, that's going to
break apart, and.
Speaker 1: Then everything Trump and Trump and must at this looks
like long term stuff though, you know what I'm saying, Like,
obviously the disclusion of America is only a matter of time,
but everything they're doing and just as a matter of
two weeks, it's like it all looks very long term.
These look like changes that are I mean, dude, I
hope we need to stay on this trajectory for a while.
I hope this isn't like a Julian and Julian the
Apostate rain here, where like there's a little blip on
the historical radar of someone bringing everything back to the
way it should be and then it just but it's
just one part of a long, slow decline. You know,
hopefully this is really a true reinvigoration and not like
a patchwork attempt to put a band aid over this.
Speaker 2: Uh well, it does have a function that kind of
operates in our favor. Greg And brought this up once.
He's really good for like just points that you don't
really think about often, and he.
Speaker 1: Said, American renaissance. You know, he's countercurrence, countercurrence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said it. Politicians are are basically just you know,
worms and pleasers, right, They just want to be left
alone while they can, you know, do whatever terrible shit
they're doing. And whenever the citizen rge gets angry about
whatever particular thing is, they try and bribe the citizenry
to fuck off with whatever the thing that it is
that they like. So, now that politicians have gotten a
sense of how much the American public likes mass deportation,
they're going to start using it as a get out
of jail free card. Right. So, basically, the more and
more Musk and Trump regear the state in America's best interest,
doing things in the American's interest is going to be
the mechanism that politicians used to create a little bit
of breathing room for whatever bad shit they're doing, because
they're always going to continue to do bad shit. I'm
pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: I hope that's I call you a up. I think so.
But like I mean, every time I call you a
fuck up, if the way you get out of me
calling you a fuck up is deport some people, this
is going to go on on.
Speaker 1: A lot exactly, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how this plays out, but I know
it's going to be efficient, and I think it's going
to look somewhat similar to the past because how the
nation was kind of structured outside of the constitution, but
like the articles of a confederation or like we're an
organic document as in like it it's served a purpose,
isn't like the things organically structured themselves a certain way.
And it was a pragmatic document to put in to
put on paper what was already organically happening. And I
think that's a lot of how nation states work. A
lot of the you know, the old stuff, the plumbing
is usually there for a reason because the state organically
structured itself that way. You know, it's kind of like
a slime mold. It goes wherever, you know, opportunity presents itself.
But I don't know. I don't know how it is
going to look in structure. All I care about politically
is how it looks as a polity. I don't care
how the governance looks. I care about how the people look.
I want them like fat, healthy and white.
Speaker 4: That was that brings something up that I thought I
would bring up. It was an interesting part of the
kind of conversation that our buddy Jay Burden had in
an episode he released today with Ron Dodson, was.
Speaker 5: You have.
Speaker 4: Not I'm not talking about like really subversive or even
activist blacks who are saying, you know, we're part we're
as much heritage American because we've been here that long
as long as you know most of the white people
who are here, So what do you do with them? So, like,
if you're looking at you know, we have a lot
of people who are like, this country can't function unless
it's white and Christian and European. Again, have to kick
out everyone who's not white, Christian and European. When I
hear that, I hear a libertarian or a narco capitalist going,
we just got to end the state, bro, everything will
be great at the same like a literal impossibility where
you're going to get rid of the Yeah. So it's like, well,
what do you do? How how do you handle this?
Is it? You know, Thomas has always said, you know,
people are just going to split up. People are going
to Black people are going to go off and be
by themselves. White people are going to go go off
and be by themselves. And that's what things are going
to get smaller? So what do you do? What is
what is the attitude? What? What is these people who
didn't ask to be here, who you know, who got
brought here? They youre sure they could leave on their own,
But I mean a lot of them are A lot
of them are thirty to forty percent white. And if
they go to Africa, they've been here, their families have
been here forever. They're they can't Where are they going
to go in Africa where they can get along? What? What?
What are they? What are they? What are they in
the in the in the context of this of this
going forwards?
Speaker 2: I had them figure out I agree with both of
both of you. I don't I think like the all
white sea to shining Sea ethno state is impossible only
because there are certain people that are already here, like
particularly blacks. I mean, majority of the immigration that we
have even intergenerationally, right, two or three generations, if we
go back to nineteen fifty, right, so something like ninety
two percent of the country was white. It's really outside
of the blacks, everybody else is new and they were
only the timing of them arriving seems to coincide with
America becoming globally dominant and the epicenter of you know,
global prosperity and ease of transportation. Right, So, even if
you're here from like the sixties and you're like second
generation or whatever, you're new, and if America becomes a wasteland,
you're going to like look at all the Mexicans that
are literally protesting and burning US flags, Like, yeah, some
of them, you know were born here maybe sure, okay,
but their affinity is along a racial one exactly, But
the governance structure in which they exist is an Anglo one.
So like those two things aren't going to coexist. And personally,
I think a lot of the fantasies that people have
about how this shakes out are just that fantasies. It's
a lot the things that are actually going to work
are a lot more boring, all right, Like simply just
I mean, you could probably get rid of thirty percent
of immigration just by banning remittances. I yet, cool, you can't,
you can't send money out of here. You literally thirty
or forty percent of these people would be gone, and
that'd be like, you know what, I don't know, twenty
five million people. I don't think we people realize the
scale of the amount of people that have come in.
Speaker 4: So if we went to the one of the one
of the stats that I've found out and I put
out there recently, is that four percent of India's GDP
or remittances from the United States form is alone a
four percent zero, oh god, four no, four four four.
Speaker 2: That's all insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's insane because it's only the United States. And
how many are there in South Africa? How many are
there in Australia, how many? I mean, it's it's fucking nuts.
Speaker 2: If you've you angled up just the anglosphere, it would
probably be at least fifteen percent of GDP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus Crump talked about this in the first term.
Does he has he talked about this recently? Because this
needs this is a huge issue that needs to come up.
I remember he talked about it a lot before, but
I don't see that much talk about it now. But
it doesn't mean it's not trying to meme.
Speaker 4: People are trying to meme into into this remittance thing
where you have to start heavily taxing remittances. You don't
even have to say they you can't send it home.
You can't, so fifty percent tax or something like that.
I mean, that'll that'll stop it too, at least on
some level it will. I mean, I would love to
say you can't do remittent, you can't do any remittances.
But they're going to find ways around it. I mean, technology,
you'll find a way.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would be perfectly happy if we went
back to nineteen fifty. I don't think you're ever going
to get rid of black Americans. I don't. But also
I don't think you should, like I'm not a crazy
person that just hates people for no reason. I hate
a few people, and I hate them for very good reason, right,
But it's only a few and a majority of people.
I don't know. Maybe it is the inner Anglo that
I view everything as like a garden to be tended
and you know, making sure everyone is okay or whatever.
I don't know. It's a complex, but these people like, Okay,
let's say all the memes are correct. Let's say they're
all a bunch of like sixty seventy IQ people. That's
about the twelve year old or thirteen year old. I'm
not sending a bunch of twelve year old children to
Africa defend for themselves. I'm sorry. If you're that person,
you can go fuck yourself. I have to sleep with
myself at night, and I'm not gonna be able to
do that shipping off a bunch of people who can't
fend for themselves and have been living a life of
artificial assistance for a very long time. I'm not going
to kick my twelve year old child out into the street.
They figure it out, fuck face. You know, if you
really are so much better than these people, then you
need to fucking act like it and acting like a
child and saying like, oh, we're going to kick them
all out with catapults or whatever. Like, if you really
are the master race, you sure as fuck aren't talking
like it, thinking like it, Like.
Speaker 1: That's a sign of seriousness.
Speaker 4: The German, the German Chancellor understood that too. He saw
Africa as just a continent that needed to be coddled,
needed to He didn't want to don't to Europe. But
you know, I think what he understood is what like
And I'm not trying to compare the German Chancellor to
Eric Prince, but I think Eric Prince understands that if
you if you don't do something about that continent where
you at least teach them how to be self sustaining.
They're all going to go to Europe or come here.
They're all going to leave. They're going to figure out
a way around that fucking desert or through that desert,
and they are going to fucking end up here and
they're going to end up in Europe. So you have
to figure out something to do. And you know, immediately
the you know, the lower IQ, the lower culture people
who would hear this message will be like, well, not
my problem. Well it's gonna fucking be your problem. I
promise you it's going to be your problem. So you
have to figure out a way to do it. And
I think that's what mister Prince has figured out, is like,
we have to do something about Africa because if China
goes in there and they which they're already there, they're
going to fucking they'll figure out a way to unleash
them upon us and unleash upon Europe. On Europe.
Speaker 2: So they're probably give them the book.
Speaker 1: I mean, they already are, and.
Speaker 4: So we have to we have to figure out something
to do, some some way to make sure they stay
there and that they want to stay there.
Speaker 2: I don't think black. I don't think Southerners hate blacks.
I don't. I've spent time around that.
Speaker 4: I can tell you. I could tell you for a
fucking fact they don't. Most don't. And it's not that
they've been It's not that oh they oh, the schools
just taught them and the that's who, that's who. Scott
the scotch Irish just are. They're open people. They're willing
to They're willing to open up their houses to people. Hm,
you know, and that's just who they are. And you
can you can say, oh, well, that's not who I am.
I mean you condition, something happened in your condition to
uh to not want to I mean techonally, I don't
really want to live around them. I don't want them
to be my neighbors, even the nicest ones I know,
because they'll have grandkids who come and visit from the
city and you know, they then that becomes a problem
or they come to live there or anything like that.
But I don't how the fuck do you get rid
of them? I mean, you can, you can try to
pay them to leave, Yeah, but where are they where
are they gonna.
Speaker 1: They don't want to go.
Speaker 4: It's like, I think about it, Where the fuck do
I go? You know, It's like if if the freaking if,
if that freaking group of people continues to destroy this
country and destroy this country, Oh, where do I go
to escape from it? I don't have anywhere else to
fucking go. They've destroyed pretty much at any place I'd
want to go. They've already destroyed.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: So they have to be fuck they have to be beaten, yep.
They have to be put to heal.
Speaker 2: What are the what are the black people do normally?
Like in the South, the most respect to the most
respectful black people you ever meet are not anywhere else
except for the South. The second they see you as
a white guy, they immediately go back like the blood
memory kicks in, and they are super helpful and super polite, really.
Speaker 4: Greatly, extremely polite, extremely polite in the South. Yeah, you
go to the city, There's something that happens when they
fucking get in the city.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and they when giving a chance, they always go
back down South.
Speaker 4: And I'm not even talking about New York or Detroit
or Los Angeles. I'm talking about the city that's thirty
minutes away from me. Attitude changes when they get into it.
You know, a city of thirty thousand people, it's completely
different when they're in the country, different people.
Speaker 2: Yep. And I think we effectively governed. Okay, So, like,
do we see them all being kicked out?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Do I want them kicked out? No? Right, I want
them to have effective governance. I want them to be
able to be the best person that they can be
as God made them. Right, And the only way that
that's going to happen is God gave my people the
ability to make functional systems. Right, Well, we're going to
give them a functional system just like we did from
the time of the Civil War Honors to nineteen fifty. Right,
it was Anglo governance metered out by local I guess
you can call them officials, but really all of the
law enforcement and a lot of these black communities were
all black. Like, if you give them the tool set,
they're actually pretty effective at policing and beating the shit
out of each other. Right, personally, I see the way
they black cops arrest black people, and it's way way
harder and white people arrest black people. I don't think
we need to reinvent the wheel we already had it
figured out. It worked great for one hundred years. Everybody else.
I don't think they're going to culturally fit, and I
also think they're going to export themselves. I don't think
this ends in some violent Turner diaries fantasy. Black people
want to live amongst themselves. They don't like the cold,
and they work well in super small communities. And it's
a good thing because they're not capable of building bigger
ones like they are fit to purpose, right like, we
live best in the societies that our culture has created.
Same with them. They like thing where do they function
the best? Where things are small, where they know everybody,
because a lot of their enforcement culturally is meet out
in extended families, right like you know, discipline, you know?
I mean Another thing is like I don't know, I
don't know. The Indians and Southeast Asians. They're here for
exploitative reasons, and the second those reasons, those opportunities are
removed from them. They both have the means and enough
intellect to get them back to where the opportunity is
for them. So again, you could handle all that by legislation.
But what I mean by legislation, I mean executive FIAT,
but it can be handled politically. They're not like you know,
on the ground solution. So if it's just us and
black people, and black people live in the South and
they live in their own communities like they always have
and police those own communities, you didn't like reshape the
world or bring in like hyper boring utopia. You just
brought the fities back, like or the forties or the thirties,
or the twenties, or the teens, or the nineteen hundreds,
or the eighteen nineties or the eighteen eighties or the
eighteen seventies. Like this isn't hard. We've done. We figured
all this shit out before.
Speaker 1: And you got to ask, is what Musk is doing
right now with DOGE to us aid and every other things?
Are they gonna eventually move on?
Speaker 2: Have to talk about all the fucking new shit right.
Speaker 1: Like are they gonna move? Are they gonna move to
welfare and medicaid? There's the amount of fraud going on
with that. It's just fucking unspeakable. It's just unspeakable.
Speaker 2: If you actually gave a shit about black people when
were they the healthiest? Like let's say you actually did
give it, give a shit and you're not some like
just edge lord on the internet.
Speaker 1: Well right, which is again a non starter. But here, Stormy,
let's just say it explicitly, like if if we're not
kicking them out and they're not going anywhere on their own,
we have no choice but to give a shit, So
we give a shit. So we just give a shit.
We have to admit it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So when were they at the happiest and healthiest.
Speaker 1: Probably when they were slaves, to be honest with you,
I don't know if that's what you have in mind.
Speaker 2: Possibly, possibly, But in nineteen thirty, the divorce rate was
higher in white Oh yes, black families.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, up. No, even later than nineteen thirty, yep.
It went into the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 2: Yep, up until we started giving them free shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: So if you actually gave a shit about them, you're
asking me, like, what do you do about like food
stamps and all the assistance programs that they're on and
all that stuff at the same time as we're cutting
drastically spending. Well, if you gave a shit about black people,
the time when black people were the most successful, the
most prosperous, and the happiest, wasn't when they were slinging
crack and wick cards. Turns out it wasn't. And segregation
is protectionism. Right, Segregation is no different than the tariff
regime that Donald Trump is putting up. When we're black,
business is the largest. When we're black, business is the
most successful. Black Black people had their own insurance companies, right,
their own banks and investment banks. Those all got annihilated
instantaneously when we desegregated. Because even if you're a black
guy and you love your community or whatever, where are
you putting your money? Are you putting it in white
guy bank or black guy bank?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: So segregation and protectionist economic policies nationally are the same.
Tariffs are good for the domestic economy, just like segregation
was good for the black economy. And it is impossible
to try and prove otherwise. Right. The destruction of black
businesses happened the day de segregation started. Why would you
make them? Why would I want my domestic steel manufactory
to compete with China full of bug men slaves that
were twenty four to seven, seven days a week. I don't,
I don't give a shit. I gotn't give a shit
about Bugman Steel Company. Don't care. It could be cheaper,
it could be, Like, I don't give a shit because politically,
if I'm a political leader, I'm not an economic leader.
My job is not Like, is the is GDP? I'm
stealing Scott Besson's quote, all right, Like is GDP the
the metric for human flourishing? No, it's not right, So
how do I maximize human flourishing?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: Turns out protectionist policies help a lot. So what we
are doing as a nation, we should allow them to do,
or force them to do, because again, like they are
often like children, especially when they get together, like in mass,
Like mass psychology is always the psychology of the lowest
common denominator. So certain things you're going to have to
force on them, just like certain things you're going to
have to force on white people. All right, So yeah,
I think segregation again, we figured all this shit out,
like it's really kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: Well it's a long process though. I mean I think
for sure that you have to fix immigration first, because
that's a huge factor. Immigration is a huge factor. Those
jobs are going somewhere.
Speaker 2: I even hate the fucking word immigration. These people aren't immigrating.
They're not immigrating, they're not immigrants. Yeah.
Speaker 4: My my family, you know, my family immigrated and became Americans.
I mean they came here to be Americans. They didn't
come here to make money. They came here to be Americans.
That's it. Yeah, my great grandfa when my great grandfather
came here, he went right to the coal mines and
he went and found he went and found pollocks just
like himself, and found out where they lived, and went
right and said, what do you do that? Well, we mind, Cole. Okay,
So now you're a part of this community and you're American.
And soon after, you know, he renounced his citizenship, renounced
all loyalties to where he came from. And you know,
like I've been and recently, we have a whole class
of fucking people in this country who are dual citizens
or even if they don't have citizenship to another country,
a certain country, our greatest ally, their loyalty is there,
their heart is there. They will always they will always
identify more there than they do here. Not all of them,
of course, because not all, and it's never all. But yeah,
I mean we what is immigration now is all economic
immig immigration.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It is nothing. It shouldn't even be called immigration.
It is economic exploitation and nothing else. I think the
terror regime will do a lot of this, the immigration
restriction will do a lot. Culturally. Nobody goes where they're
not wanted, and I think that's why the State Department
spent so much money and all the propaganda. I think
it was fifty percent geared to US and the other
fifty percent geared to convince the world that everyone in
America will love you if you come. Because even if
you could tell me like, oh, there's humongous opportunity, like
just mega opportunity in Russia or something like that, but
I also know that every single Russian hates me and
doesn't want me there. I'm not going to go there
because I won't feel good or safe or whatever. Like,
nobody wants to be a place where everyone hates you.
There's only a certain group of people that thrive on that.
Everyone else is normal, roughly at least in that respect.
Indians and Jews are the only people that are completely
okay with going somewhere that they're hated, and only one
of those two groups thrives on it. I don't think
Indians have any friends life.
Speaker 4: It's not even they don't even thrive on it as
ster identity.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. So I don't know how to answer
that question. I think the Blacks will figure themselves the
fuck out if you remove all government assistance, which also
kind of looks pretty good if you look at the
government's kind of financial situation right now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's probably it's probably only a
matter of time, But I don't think it's top priority.
I think crime is top priority. But in terms of
like sorting out the black question, I do think. I mean,
as far as priorities go, I think I'm seeing good
things out of the Trump administration. Illegal immigrants. I can't believe.
You know, there's fucking arguments that happen about this shit,
which I just blog. People just argue about anything. They
don't care what they're talking about. They don't care what
they're arguing about. That's why I'm so happy to see
what I'm seeing out of Trump and Musk. Barely any
of this ship is like bothering them or affecting them.
They're doing it. They clearly had a plan, and they're
clearly implementing that plan. And I'm hoping you to agree
with me that, yes, the border, illegal immigration and drugs
coming in are the number one priority. That's the first
thing they're going after. The next priority is widespread waste,
fraud and abuse of the taxpayer money, and they're going
after that first and very money laundering.
Speaker 2: Every Yeah, everyone should go check out an account called
I think it's her name is Data Republican or something
like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, yes, well that gets back to what we
were talking about at the beginning of the show. Dude,
me off with that. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: The entire funding network. So a majority of all of
this money, like we're talking like probably in total at
trillion dollars a year, some insane amount is going to
all these NGOs ors are going to like USAID, Health
and Human Services, FEMA, all these things. Not only are they,
you know, funneling immigrants in, but it's also it seems
to be that we've stumbled upon the patronage network.
Speaker 1: Yes that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I use the neat little tool that she built,
the search and map the interconnectedness of all these foundations,
and it seems to be a giant global money laundering system.
And it seems like certain organizations like FJC and AJC
and lots of other acronyms that have the letter J
in them are at the center of all these.
Speaker 1: I gotta follow this person right now. I know who
you're talking about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, she doesn't, she hasn't put that together yet,
but her tool is really useful. You just type in
the name of the charity or the foundation or the
endowment or the ein and then you click map and
it tells you every other foundation that they're associated with.
And it's not just like associated. These foundations are giving
grants to each other. Why is the charitable foundation that's
supposed to be giving money to charity to go be
spent on charity. Why are they giving grants to another charity?
And why is that charity giving grants back to this
other one that gave them money. That's fucking money laundering, is.
Speaker 4: What that is.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Because you look at the grants that these foundations pay
out and they're all zero, like zero zero zerolyer across
the fucking board. But they're giving grants to each other
like a motherfucker. And look, man, I'm not guys like
Bill Crystal to be involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not pulling this side of my ass. Me
and Stormy, we're looking at this shit. I mentioned Manhattan Institute,
the president of the Manhattan Institute. You want to know
how much this fucking guy makes. The last one, I
don't know about the current one. The last one was
making like six hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2: These are on two or three other of these foundations
getting also.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all of them are exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Bill Crystal's on like eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's American Enterprise Institute and the Manhattan Institute.
I mean, dude, this guy, this one fucking guy that
everybody knows and everyone hates, everyone fucking hates him, is
behind political pundits that you see online who are supposedly
right wing punching.
Speaker 2: This all started this, This all started when I noticed
a certain guy telling my guys to go work at
a Panda fu Express.
Speaker 3: Fuck.
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up James Linday. That's let's talk
about that.
Speaker 2: Instead.
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up James Lenda.
Speaker 2: Set me a lot. I'm not gonna name him, but
if you tell my guys that you want them to
go work at a Panda Express, and they should be
okay with competing with all of fucking Vivek Ramaswami's not immigrants,
economic exploiters, not immigrants. They're not fucking immigrants. Pete's family
was immigrants. Vik Ramaswami is not an immigrant. His parents
are not immigrants. You know, they're not immigrants because they
still haven't gotten their fucking citizenship yet.
Speaker 4: That's I think one of them, one of them has
their citizenship, the other one doesn't.
Speaker 2: So why for much longer?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Please?
Speaker 2: All right? For real?
Speaker 1: Well, a huge thing in that community, and I think
this applies to Vivek specifically. Somebody was tweeting about this.
I think it was him. They retire back to their
home countries and live like fucking kings. They live like kings.
I know somebody who went to India and I saw
pictures of these sprawling estates at the foothills of the Himalaya,
and I was like, this is gorgeous. These are fucking amazing.
She's like, yeah, you know, all those houses cost like
seventy five thousand dollars. They're mansions with multiple structures on
them and huge gardens and you could see the Himalays
in the background. She's like, yeah, that's like seventy five
thousand American dollars. And what's what these people do is
they rack up either pensions, which is obviously federally or
state funded, and retirements, and then they move. They retire
back there at sixty five and they live like apps,
like literally like kings, like they live like honest states,
with like houses for their servants and shit.
Speaker 2: Them so and you only need one of them to
bring in five others exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh, can I just throw something out here real quick story.
I know you're saying a thing. I just want to
throw something out here. I live in a predominantly white,
upper middle class suburb in New York, upstate New York. Right,
it's probably eighty ninety percent white. And anybody who is
in my neighborhood that isn't white is Indian, right, And
it looks like they live like we do. They drive
nice cars, they dress like we do. Their houses and
lawns look the same. But something I've noticed, and I
went online to check this, and other people say this,
is that if you go into their houses inside, they
live like they're in India. Everyone in their entire extended
family is crammed into the house, and there's kids. It
sounds like quaint, doesn't it. But if you extrapolate that
out from to every Indian that you see that looks
like they're assimilated, go into their house, they're not assimilated.
They're they're just living like they lived in India inside
these you know, MC mansions that they live in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buying their time and the every and the one
guy that's got a good job on his H one
B program, all of those other people that live in
the house. And this is statistically, like, I mean, even
fucking yeah, but even the fucking federal Census whatever bureau
figured out that like for every H one B person
they bring in, they bring on average five individuals with them, right,
so extended family and four out of the five in
most cases five out of the five, but you know
it was just a four lease are all on government
assistance that they managed to rack up about seventy thousand
dollars a year in government assistance, right, so they're on.
They have classes in India to teach you how to
sign up for all of the government shit, and then
there's other classes that teach you how to sell your
government like wick cards and like food assistants and stuff
like that. And then they just send the money back
to India.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I should mention to those classes he's talking about.
They're like public private, so it's not like just I
mean some in some cases it's a private, big private company,
but in other cases it's like funded by the government
because they their interests. Yeah, exactly, because the money comes
back to India.
Speaker 2: Yes, now that I know, it makes up fucking five
percent of their goddamn GDP. Man, China's not stealing five
percent of my GDP. I don't think I'm totally cool.
All right, So the guy, mister, mister you know General
Two's chicken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get back to that. I want
to talk. That's what That's what the fuck I'm talking about. Luckily,
these people always end up exposing themselves, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2: That's Yeah, if you're going to have an illegal immigrant
wife and have a bunch of anchor babies, maybe you
are not qualified to tell people how to think about immigration,
illegal immigration or otherwise. Maybe you might be biased. Maybe
you might not be giving us good advice. Maybe you're
only giving people advice that's good for you. Maybe you're
a scumbag, right, Maybe you get your paycheck from Bill
Crystal and you pretend to be right wing. Maybe the
founder of you're maybe the president of your organization. Maybe
that guy the president of the place that you work.
Maybe he just came from this other place, right called
the New America Foundation. Right, maybe he's a maybe he's
an honored fellow at the New America Foundation. What's the
New American Foundation, Stormy? Well, hold on, I'll tell you.
The New American Foundation is a far left and this
is influence. Watch a fucking like this is this is
them telling you? Yeah, that's a lot exactly. Yeah, yeah,
so they are far left think tank United States focused
on policy issues uh, technology, gender, gender, education, and gender
and diversity in the economy. The think tank scholars are affiliated.
Commentators include former and current journalists and members of the
Obama administration. One of the largest funders of the New
America Foundation is the Open Societies Foundation and Eric Schmidt,
who's probably about the most evil motherfucker alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, who's the Open Society?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Surprisingly? Surprisingly, Yeah, surprisingly, Eric Schmidt is more evil the
more you look at us, anyway, Really, yeah, he is,
he is. You have a whole The previous president's organization
was Hillary Clinton's deputy a Secretary of State. So how
come the president of this right wing institute that you
work at is a Soros faggot? And how are you
telling me that my friends need to go work and
serve chicken and be okay with h one b visas
literally like taking up all their jobs and taking up
all their spots at universities because America's top universities are
over sixty percent filled up, some universities seventy to eighty
percent filled up by foreign students because they make the
foreign students pay full fare, all right, and the foreign
students have this little racket where they know to have
a baby while they're in college here, right.
Speaker 1: Well, look, let's just be explicit.
Speaker 2: He who runs the we're talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about the Manhattan Institute. The guy he
he's saying, well, New America Foundation talk. Well, let's before
we get to him, let me just say to your
point that the guy that worked for the New America Foundation, who,
by the way, just for the record, he also worked
for the fucking National Review, is Raihan Salon. He's the president.
His predecessor was making six hundred thousand dollars a year
from this fucking tax deductible charity organization or whatever it is.
So who the fuck knows how much he's making? All right?
So this is Chris Rufo's boss, Chris Rufos, the one
who tells you to go work at Panda Express and
lies about how much money you can make there. Now
we'll talk about Roger Hurtog, Stormy, you brought up another
don't think you were talking about Roger Hurtog, but you
brought up the Tikfa Fund once on this show. This guy,
Roger Hurtog, who's on the board, one of the main
board of trustees for the Manhattan Institute, is co currently
working for the tik Fuk Fund. So I don't know
if you were going to talk about Tikfire. I don't
remember why you brought it up, but you've talked about
on the show before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it isn't isn't that the tick Fork Fund? Isn't
that the one that is. Its purpose is to make
basically to reverse DEI yeah, because it it makes Jews
not they're basically lobbying to make Jews a protected group
like like blacks or trainees or whatever, so they can
And there was a rabbit like literally bragging about this
on Twitter, which is probably not the best place to
do that, about how this now makes every due eligible
for tens of billions of dollars in US grants and programs.
So maybe you should not be on the board of
the Manhattan Suit, or maybe if you're a.
Speaker 1: Pretend nonprofit charitable foundation quote unquote whose mission.
Speaker 2: Idea is Yeah. So he his role at the American
Enterprise Institute, which is another Paul Singer funded So.
Speaker 1: American Enterprise Institute is neo kan that's Neo Khan fucking headquarters.
Speaker 2: All of these people are like National Review types, but
he is the head of there of Washington institutes Near
East policy that basically needs Israel policy, and all of
these fucking guys, all of them on the resume, has
Near East policy, Near East policy, Near East policy. Well,
so who is the largest funder of the American Enterprise
and Suit besides George Soros and his fucking friends, Well
that's Paul Singer. Who is Paul Singer? Well, Wikipedia will
tell you he's a hedge fund guy. He's not really
a hedge fund guy, the same way that George Soros
isn't a hedge fund guy, right, the same way that
Lex Wexner isn't a Victoria's Secret guy, the same way
that Steve Wynn is not a casino guy, or Miriam
Dlsen Miria Natelsen isn't a fucking casino lady.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 2: That's not what they are. They're human shaped bank accounts.
They look like people, but what they actually are is
people shaped bank accounts that a foreign nation fills up
with money and then they tell their human bank account
how to spend it. So they are quite literally an
extension of a foreign nation. So that means if you
work for a fleshy bank account for Israel, you're not
actually pushing right wing ideas at all.
Speaker 5: You're just.
Speaker 2: Doing what like, whether you know it or not, that's
not my job.
Speaker 4: It's your job.
Speaker 2: Singer, know you work for pall Singer does very much
proudly know it. And I can't prove it, but I
think he had a hand in the Butler assassination attempt.
Oh boy, but yeah, don't get me started. He was
also the guy that put that lovely Republican National Convention together,
the one that was full of women OnlyFans women and
Indian women, and was started with an Indian prayer that
would make no fucking sense if Donald Trump was the nominee,
which he was de facto at that point. But Nicki Haley,
who is an Indian woman and also a very close
confidante employee of the Fleshy Bank account Paul Singer, she
spent her entire campaign as brief and humiliating as it
was both for her and the nation. She spent her
entire campaign saying that if Donald Trump was the nominee,
she would not be attending the Republican National Convention, which
is strange because three days before she suddenly changes her
mind and now very much is coming to the Republican
National Convention. Well, that's odd, and it's odd that the
whole RNC convention is trying to tell me how great
Indian women are. It's almost like Donald Trump wasn't supposed
to be there. And really, who had the most to
lose from Donald Trump being elected? Yeah, like Kamala Harris,
she was drunk when it started, she'll be drunk after.
She doesn't give a shit. Joe Biden doesn't know what
planet he's on. And Barack Obama's fucking some kids some right,
who actually cares and who actually has a stake in
American politics, right, What that little handy dandy Foundation tracker
will tell you is that it seems that the people
that have the largest steak in American politics are these
fleshy bank account type people. These you know, deposit boxes
for a foreign state in Near East, and that's why
all of their money goes to paying for guys that
do Near East policy. It's amazing. So the guy who
is now basically getting his teeth kicked in politically, I mean,
if you're a fugitive from justice in your own country
and the only people you know kicking the only thing
keeping you out of a jail cell is your political office,
I guess any attempt successful or not to push you
out of that office you would view as like a
life or death thing, huh, because for you, it is right,
you're like seventy. If you go to jail, you're gonna
spend the rest of your life there, and your son's
a faggot, so uh, you know, not really a lot
of legacy there, you know, except for your son being
a pool boy or some shit. So it would be
really important to you to stay in office and continue
this war. And a guy that's coming into office that
already hates your guts in the most powerful nation in
the fucking planet and would like you to stop this war.
This is why all the people like, oh, well, Trump
just authorized a billion dollars in aid military aid to Israel.
First off, that's authorized, and I think it's very funny
that it was authorized the day before, which is tomorrow,
right the day before him and Benjamin Netanyahu meet.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's leverage, is what that is. While he authorized
two thousand pound bombs. Yeah, he also forced a politically
suicidal ceasefire on Israel, and every single person in Israel
is angry about it. All you got to do is
just look on Twitter and they'll tell you very openly
how angry about it they are. So how did he
force a deal, a ceasefire deal on people that didn't
want to cease fire. Well, obviously there's leverage. So a
political ceasefire will end benjamintt Yahu's career politically it's already starting.
So I find the authorization kind of interesting. It's almost
like you plan on doing carrot and stick, because what
good is military aid for you if I won't let
you shoot it? It'll make your citizens feel a little safer.
But that's about it. Please, someone take it from there.
I've spoken too long.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, look what he did with with Mexico
and Canada. Don't want you to think he's capable of
doing that with Israel. But there's no reason to think otherwise.
Speaker 2: You should talk a little bit about how how that
whole piece deal happened, or that ceasfire deal happened, and that, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he sent What the hell is that guy's name
forgetting it? Now?
Speaker 1: What's what's WIT's call or something?
Speaker 4: Cough what cough? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's a gangster.
He's a Jewish gangster from New York. You know, real
estate magnet. If you're a real estate magnet in New York,
you're a gangster. And apparently he was just sent there
to tell him get it done. Allegedly. I don't know
that this is true or not. I've heard it. This
is lore now that he went on shabba, He went
on the Sabbath, and they're like, well, you know it's
a sabbath. He's like, no, no, no, no, you're meeting
with me right now. And he told them he said,
cease far. He said you're going to get the hostages back.
And you know, one thing we know is if the
hostages are all released, ne Yahu's in deep ship, which
is why they're pivoting over to invading the West Bank
now and taking parts of the West Bank because he
needs he needs some kind of distraction to keep people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Two, so people don't remember how much they hate him
and want him to be in jail for all the
corruption that he's done. But yeah, he just Witcock just
basically went there and was like, yeah, Okay, this is
going to get done. Apparently I hear that Whitkoff will
be uh the one going to Iran too, yep to
talk to them, and I think, yeah, and Rubio, you know,
everybody was when Rubio got appointed, everybody freaked out. And
I'm like, I remember I got I think I got
on the phone with Luongo and we're just talking it
through and everything, and I'm like, well, you know, I
think we both at the same time came to the
conclusion that he's going to be in Central America if
you're if you're going to be sending all these people,
deporting all these people, or trying to get all these
countries to take all these people back. You need someone
who speaks Spanish, someone who hates communism, and someone who's
not going to take any shit from these people. And
it looks like he went and got the Panama Canal
back today. So and last I heard he was he
had stopped off in El Salvador. I just saw a
picture a little while ago of him meeting with bou Kelly,
and you know they're talking. They're talking about like sending
our worst American prisoners to jails in El Salvador, you know,
for a small fee. So I mean.
Speaker 2: Us a I d now I can give that small fee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the I mean, this is gangster ship, and this
is what's needed. This is what this is what you've wanted.
This is the only way you're going to get change
out of them, the way you're going to get anything
done in the managerial system. And the only way you're
going to tear down a managerial system is you have
to go full gangster. And you know, I mean, did
you see the politicians were like going to the USA
ai D offices today and they're like doing this grand
standing where it's like let us in, let us in.
We should get no no, no, I said, I said
openly on Twitter. They they need to follow the president's
orders to the letter, and that means if they have
to stop them from entering, they do whatever they have
to do to stop them. So that's where we're at.
I mean, he just just a couple hours ago. I
don't know if it was before we started recording or not,
but yeah, he did a press conference talking about, Yeah,
we're dismantling the Department of Education. It's going back to
the States. This is what Republicans been talking about doing
for forty five years. Yeah, and what he's gonna he's
going to do it with an XO within with an
executive order on a press con at a press conference.
Speaker 1: Pete, Yeah, no, Pete, thanks for saying. I was going
to drive the point home that if you don't think
Trump knows what he's doing, or if you think you
know better than Trump, you're a fucking idiot. And you know,
in the words of Thomas, you're not in the game.
So Pete pointed out, uh, witsky whitskoff whatever, Jewish guy
from New York, they send him to Israel. Marco Rubio,
anti communist Spanish speaker from Cuba, they send him to
South America. I mean, this is like, this seems so simple, right,
but it's the first time it's ever been done. I've
never seen this before in my life because the predecessors
didn't want anything to get done. They wanted things to
stay the same. And now shit is happening all of
a sudden.
Speaker 4: So uh Homean and Homan, Tom Holman and who's the
on the border borders are is talking about. I was
just looking at this there he's going to arrest Governor
Murphy for harboring, harbor harboring and illegal Yeah, he's saying,
uh Zar Hooman is indicated he may arrest Governor Murphy
for knowingly harboring an illegal an illegal immigrant. Well, I mean,
if this is what needs to be done, this is
what needs to be done.
Speaker 2: And that dumb fucking person is going to think that
them getting arrested for this is going to be politically
good for them, but they don't understand the tenant of
the fucking polity right now, And all they're going to
do is spend time in jail and then realize that
actually nobody gives a shit and turns out everyone's happy
you're in ail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you literally took the words right out of my
mouth for that.
Speaker 4: Listen, I mean the word mandate. The word mandate actually
now means something.
Speaker 2: What were you talking about, the guy that just got
appointed to n CTC.
Speaker 4: It's our friend. Hold on, let me pull up because
we got some it's the I will give me one
second night, we'll get there. The n CTC is the
here it is the ship. Where is it? Oh? No,
National Center, National counter Terrorism Center. Okay, So this is
Joe Joe Kent. Okay, So Kent is being being appointed
to be the head of this. Now, what we learned
from a friend of ours is that this is basically
and what I learned from researches is that they basically
plan all the counter quote unquote counter terrorism that is
carried out in the field. And from what we've been
told is that Joe was a ranger and he was
then CIA. His wife was also a spook that got
killed hours after the Pentagon ordered extra patrols in Syria
with the intention of someone dying so they could resist
Trump's order to leave the country. So basically, they used
they used some soldiers, some you know, some spooks as bait,
hoping that one or two of them would get killed
that would cause an outrage and that Trump would not
want to leave Syria. And the man who was just
a is being appointed head of this government office that
is responsible for the death of his wife is now
he's going to be in charge of it.
Speaker 2: So and this is the guy that was on TV
screaming about anybody calling for war with Iran as a
sick fuck. He literally like came on Fox News right
after Lindsey Graham came on and was like, that guy's
a sick fuck.
Speaker 4: So what mean? What does this mean?
Speaker 2: He wasn't just a regular CIA agent. He's not like
a spooky spook. He is Ground Branch, which is the
CIA's paramilitary organization. This guy is a spook that kills spooks.
Apparently from what we heard from our friend, he's pretty
good at it. NCTC has the statutory responsibility to conduct
strategic operations planning for counter terrorism activities across all of
the US government, integrating all instruments of national power, diplomatic, financial, military, intelligence,
homeland security, law enforcement, and anything else within and among
these agencies. NCTC has the statutory responsibility to serve as
the central and shareable knowledge bank on known and suspected
terrorists international terrorist groups, as well as their goal, strategic capabilities,
and contacts and networks. Sorry. Also under the NCTC is
the FMIC. F MIIC serves as the primary US government
organization for integrating intelligence pertaining to foreign malign influence, including
election security. FMI is defined as subversive, undeclared, coercive, or
criminal activities by foreign governments, non state actors, and their
proxies in the United States to affect nations popular or
political attitudes, perceptions, behaviors, to advance that foreign nations interests
under a president at war with Benjamin yahoum.
Speaker 1: Interesting, interesting, very interesting. I didn't even fucking think of
that until you just said that.
Speaker 2: No, you know he's here, right, Yeah, yeah, he'll be
and get mon now, I was joking that would be lovely.
Speaker 4: He'll be meeting with the president tomorrow. From what I understand, yep,
to be a fly on the wall.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yes. And I mean if you look at
how all of Trump's negotiations go down, it seems to
be like like Trudeau likes. Trudeau said the very same
thing as shine Bomb. I had a call with the
President and now I've decided that all of these things
that I'm gonna do are a good idea, and I'm
just gonna do what he says. So yeah, I would
love to be a fly on the And you know
what's funny is that? Like, what does everybody cry about? Oh,
the first trip that every president does overseas or sorry,
the first trip every president does is to go to
the fucking wall. You don't see Donald Trump at the
wall this time? Do you? You see b be coming
to him? Just look at his house in Mari Lago
the day after he got shot at, when he sent
that letter out on truth Social. If you're meeting with
the Prime Minister of Israel tomorrow and you just got
shot at yesterday, it would be really odd for you
to put out on truth Social a copy of the
letter that you receive from President Mahmoud a boss who
is that? That's the president of Palestine. And what did
that letter say? All all about how much he loves
Donald Trump and thanks him for all these things and
is really happy that he didn't get assassinated. And what
did Donald Trump say? Basically? I think he actually used
the word I love you, which is funny. He's like,
I love you too, But whatever everybody can go back
and check it out, like I will make sure everything
will be okay, this will be fixed. And then they
also put in there that President Mahmouda Bass was the
very first person to call him and see if he
was okay. You know who wasn't the first person to
call him? You know who didn't call him at all?
Because pretty much by the end of a twenty four hour,
forty eight hour period, every fucking foreign leader had called
presidential candidate Donald Trump, even Mark Zuckerberg. Did you know
who didn't? Benjamin Ya, who didn't? But he damn sure
did the second time. He made like a big show
of it, like, oh, so are you found that guy
in your golf course? That must have been terrible, my
bad or not my bad. He didn't say that part,
but must have been terrible. No forms of political violence
are acceptable whatever I mean. This would be absolute hyperpole
if they didn't have a pension for killing sitting US
presidents and or presidential candidates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or or you know, I don't, I gotta get going.
It's midnight now, we've been going two and a half hours.
But I do want to end with this. I hope
it was Can.
Speaker 2: You think Benjamin and Yahoo and Donald Trump are friends,
You're an idiot.
Speaker 4: If you can at this point, you're you're not going
to make it. You're not going to make it. Listen,
if he does, If if Benjamin N. Yahoo goes home
with a billion dollars and twenty two thousand pound bombs,
that doesn't mean that they're that they're friends. That a
billion dollars and twenty two thousand pound bombs is nothing.
Stuff we give to Congo. Yeah, that kind of stuff
we give to Congo.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, just Marco Rubio just announced that
El Salvador's president bo Kelly, has agreed to accept deportees
from the US regardless of national as well as violent
criminals currently imprisoned in America.
Speaker 2: So violent criminals, not even not even if they're foreign immigrants.
Speaker 1: So Americans, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: I will send your ass to someplace worse than Guantanamo.
How about an L Salvadoran prison full of MS thirteen monsters.
Speaker 1: Well, look, Stormy, they just fucking solved the black problem
that we were just talking Aboutious, Listen, I want to
end it on this question to both of you guys.
Speaker 2: And also everyone pay attention to the sovereign wealth funds important.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, right, right right, I hope them not to.
Speaker 2: Last time you were promised infrastructure, and what did you get.
You got an infrastructure bill that was a fuck you
white people here. Let me fuck you in the ass
as I steal four trillion dollars and give it to
black people and brown people and use it to invade
your country. That's what you got. Last time a president
said infrastructure bill. So now it was Biden. Is he
got Aflacy Reduction Act in the infrastructure bill that turned
out to not be an infrastructure bill was.
Speaker 1: Actually a Green New Deal fucking nothing? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, one. So how does Donald Trump spend trillions of
dollars on infrastructure when the last person to promise us
in infrastructure just fucked us and stole our money. Well,
I've heard this concept talked about, and I won't say where,
but what is more efficient than taxing corporations? If you
want corporations to move back to America. There's two reasons
why they're overseas. One is that manufacturing in labor is
cheaper overseas. That's a small portion of it, right, And
I know that you're probably like storming. It's not a
small portion of it, must be all of it. No,
it is the tax regime, right, I am fortunate enough
to be in the top tax bracket. I'm unfortunate enough
to not have a family yet, because that makes a
difference in how bad the tax bracket beats the shit
out of you. So I pay thirty seven percent federal
income tax. Now you add in the six percent that
I pay every time I buy something, and I'm at
forty one, forty two, adding property tax and other bullshit
tax and I'm damn near fifty percent of my income
in the top tax bracket. So taxes, if they're shitty
on me, they are shitty for corporations because the corporate
tax bracket is very similar to like the top income
tax bracket whatever. So it's America's tax policies that are
as punitive as the labor is cheap in I don't know,
fucking Bangladesh, all right, Ireland has an economy because our
taxes are that bad. And like the reason that Google
and Facebook are over there, like come on, come on, guy,
They're not exploiting the Irish for cheap labor, so why
the fuck are they there? What's more efficient? Like let's
say I try and collect thirty percent of whatever Apple's
corporate earnings are, is they try and run around the
world to hide it from me, or what would make
me more money if I just owned one percent of
Apple stock? Well, if I had owned one percent of
Apple stock, I'd be getting probably close to I don't know,
two hundred billion dollars. And then next year I wouldn't
even have to ask them for money again because their
success actually became my success. Right. So let's say you
needed a bunch of Americans to start businesses because you're
going to have some supply shortages. But wouldn't it be
great that for the privilege of launching a business in
the world's greatest economy, the government would be your first
investor or one of your first investors, for just you know,
one or two percent of that stock. And now, the
performance of America's company, these which are the greatest in
the world. They produce more wealth than anything else in
the world. Their performance now fills the nation's coffers that
it can spend on a starting more businesses and b
infrastructure to be leveraged by those businesses for exponential gains.
Infrastructure spend is multiplicative in its return. So it's a
hell of a lot easier to not tax them at all, right,
but take a tiny little slice of their stock, And
this way, their success is your success. Their failure is
your failure, right Because Apple gives me a little bit
of its prosperity every year, but I don't have a
bunch of goons and guns to take it away from
them in taxes. So how am I getting a little
slice of that prosperity every year while I own some
stock and Apple's success is my success and I didn't
have to tax them to get it. And every year
that success compounds on itself. So you incentivize businesses by
investing in them, and in return, you take equity in them.
That's what a sovereign wealth fund does. And now because
of the prosperity of all of these companies, you have
all this extra cash for infrastructure and you don't have
to fucking tax a goddamn thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah sounds like nationalism to me, man.
Speaker 2: Socialism to me, I gotta sign up seriously. Like what
I just talked about, and the removal of taxation and
the spending of infrastructure and the high tariffs of protectionism
is Frederick List economics, Pete who use Frederick Lists and
his economic theories to revitalize their European nation.
Speaker 4: State a sermon certain German chancellor.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes it was. And imperial Japan, by the way,
So that literally Trump is doing fascist economics. It actually
doesn't get anymore fascist than what he is doing. And
nobody's fucking noticing. All of the fucking antifa faggots that
are out there fighting fascism don't even fucking recognize it
because they're stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, gentlemen, I have to unceremonously cut it off
because great show, Great show, Last thirty five.
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