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Every 30 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.480 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 31 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.799 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 32 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.040 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 33 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.799 Good evening. In Death on the River, best selling true 34 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:55.680 crime author Diane Fanning recounts a tragic kayak accident that 35 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:59.519 left one man dead and his fiancee arrested for his murder. 36 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:04.319 A dream getaway a real life nightmare. It seemed like 37 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.840 the perfect romantic afternoon, a kayaking trip for two on 38 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.039 the Hudson River, but it ended in tragedy when beautiful 39 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.879 blonde Angelica Graswald called nine one one to report that 40 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:19.280 her fiancee, the handsome and athletic Vincent Viefort, had fallen 41 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:23.439 into the choppy, frigid waters. Authorities assumed it was an accident, 42 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:26.800 but when the bereft bride to be posted videos of 43 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:30.919 herself doing cartwheels on social media shortly before Vincent's body 44 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.879 was found, suspicions of murder rose to the surface. After 45 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:40.840 hours of questioning, Angelica made several shocking admissions. She said 46 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:45.000 she felt trapped and fed up with Vincent's demanding sexual lifestyle, 47 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:49.439 the night life, the strip clubs, the three ways I 48 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.719 wanted him dead, she had said, even though she insisted 49 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.719 that she didn't kill him. But as more lurid details emerged, 50 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.919 including a two hundred fifty thousand dollars life insurance Paul, 51 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:04.280 We'll see a killer question remained. Did Angelica remove the 52 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.800 plug of her fiance's boat and knock away his paddle 53 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.879 as he sank. The book that we're featuring this evening 54 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.080 is Death on the River, A Fiance's Dark Secrets and 55 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:18.919 a kayak trip turned Deadly, with my special guest, journalist 56 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:22.520 and author Diane Fanning. Welcome back to the program, and 57 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.840 thank you so much for agreeing to this interview. Diane Fanning. 58 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.319 It is a pleasure to be here talking with you again. 59 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:33.240 Dan, It's an absolute pleasure to have you back on Diana, 60 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:37.919 especially this book. Again. You've done yourself once again with 61 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:44.159 Death on the River. Let's talk about how you came 62 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.479 to be the author of Death on the River. What 63 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:48.680 brought you to this story? How did you come to 64 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.039 be the author of Death on the River? 65 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:56.319 Well, it seemed like something that was very different and 66 00:03:56.439 --> 00:04:00.919 had a lot of questions to it. Being the nosy 67 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:05.680 person I am, I wanted to find answers, and so 68 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.840 I started working on it. I took a trip up 69 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.120 to Pipsie and looked at the river, and I tell you, 70 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:14.439 when you stand by the side of that river and 71 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:18.680 look across to Bannerman Island, to me, it looked like 72 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.720 a very forbidding instance to travel. And that was when 73 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:23.319 the war was. 74 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:28.360 Pardon me, the part was cut off. 75 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:33.839 Sorry. I said that when I looked across there, even 76 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.920 though the river was calm at the time, it looked 77 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.000 like a very forbidding distance. It's not something I would 78 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:41.160 even think about trying. 79 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.000 Yes, certainly. Well, let's get right to this, because, as 80 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:47.839 you do in the book, you take us right to 81 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:56.040 this incident in April nineteenth, twenty fifteen. So let's talk 82 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:59.920 about Vincent via Ford, a forty six year old nscionce 83 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.839 the Angelica Graswald. You write that they set off from 84 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:06.959 their home in Pilkeepsie, New York, on the east side 85 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.920 of the Hudson River with a pair of kayaks. Tell 86 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.879 us about this planned trip and when it was and 87 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.839 tell us more about this as you do, and the 88 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:17.600 beginning of the book. 89 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.360 This is a very beautiful spring day. It was early 90 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:24.720 in the season for kayaking. It's one of those days 91 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.879 that was so beautiful that it drove a lot of 92 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:32.360 people into the outside and to enjoying the warmth and 93 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:37.720 brilliance of the sun that day and vincent angels there 94 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:42.240 were no exceptions. Back to kayaks and headed out. They 95 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.079 stopped a fast food place and got something to eat, 96 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:51.480 and then they headed south and turned in to a 97 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:56.279 wilderness park kind of area along the river between the 98 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:01.600 highway and the river worked to plumb point. It's a 99 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.759 good spot for setting the kayaks in the water to 100 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:10.279 travel across. They went across to Bannerman Island, which is 101 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.160 a very small island, but it has ruins of what 102 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.279 was an arsenal and it looks like a castle and 103 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:25.279 one glorious mansion on the island, and it was a 104 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:31.680 place that many times before she volunteered to work on 105 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:38.199 the gardens there as warm Weather did kayak before they 106 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.800 went over to the island, and Angelica had taken along 107 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.920 some lingerie and she was trying it on and taking 108 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:51.240 provocative pictures, and they had a nice afternoon. Towards the 109 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.639 end of their trip over there, they tried to take 110 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.959 the kayaks around the back of the island, but the 111 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:05.240 island the weather was starting to turn stormy and they 112 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:09.319 couldn't because of the tide, get back there, so instead 113 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.079 they went back around and went back onto the island. 114 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.680 But then they saw the ominous clouds that were rolling 115 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.160 in and the daylight was fading, and they decided that yeah, 116 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.480 maybe they better head on back. Well, the Hudson is 117 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:28.319 a tidal river, so you get a lot of waves 118 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.800 on it when the storm turns it up, and it 119 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.879 turns very rough, very readily. And they started heading back, 120 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:37.199 and at first Vince thought it was a lot of fun. 121 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:41.279 It was like riding rapids, and they were going back, 122 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.600 and suddenly Vince was in full his kayak had taken 123 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:49.199 on water, and was starting to think next thing. He 124 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.199 was in the water. The spring day had been very 125 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:55.600 deceiving because the winners of the Hudson was still very pold, 126 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.279 and when he fell in that water without a wet 127 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:04.160 suit on Ermia started to set in almost immediately, and 128 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:10.040 they were in the water. Angelica was still in her kayak, 129 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:15.360 but Vince was losing control of all of his muscles 130 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:18.000 and it was becoming harder and harder for him to breathe, 131 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:26.319 and for some reason, Angelika took his ore his kayak 132 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:31.000 paddle and fastened the side of her boat. At one point, 133 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:32.840 she said she took it away from him, and then 134 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:34.679 she tried to walk back out of it and say 135 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:39.240 he gave it to her. Whatever the case, she spent 136 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:48.080 one half hour watching Vince's struggle before she called nine 137 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:53.600 to one one, And that is the most damning fact 138 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.559 in this case, in my opinion, that she did nothing. 139 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:02.399 If I were out on the water with someone I loved, 140 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:06.960 I most certainly would have done anything to try and 141 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.559 save their life. I'd even risk my own to do it. 142 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:15.039 Angelika didn't. She just sat in that kayak, and then 143 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:17.720 while she was on the phone with nine to one one, 144 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.360 she said she couldn't see him anymore, and they told 145 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.320 her to start paddling towards the yacht club. There was 146 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:29.279 a boat coming out to rescue her. She started doing that, 147 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:34.799 but when she saw the boat approaching she intentionally overturned 148 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:38.759 her own kayak, and when asked about that later, she said, well, 149 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:40.639 I wanted him to think I had tried to save 150 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:46.159 his life. But when the rescue boat went out, they 151 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:56.639 brought in Angelica, but they could not find any sign. Okay, the. 152 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:02.799 Information that you just mentioned the twenty minutes, none of 153 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:06.240 this information is known right away when she calls nine 154 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:10.600 one one, right from the beginning of right from the 155 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:12.879 very beginning, when she calls nine one one, and then 156 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:17.120 this rescue unit comes out. There there are things that 157 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.799 personnel notice immediately. Can you tell us some of those 158 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:25.799 things that they noticed immediately in terms of her demeanor, behavior, 159 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:32.120 and then how slowly or quickly it unravels some of 160 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:37.919 the inconsistencies that she says two different law enforcement. 161 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:44.600 Officials, one thing that while they were still trying to 162 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:48.960 rescue him and save as well, and she repeatedly said 163 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:53.480 that she had dropped her telephone into the river. But 164 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:59.840 while she was being put on a gurney and be 165 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:04.360 taken toward an ambulance, a police officer there heard a 166 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.720 phone ringing in her bag. When he tried to look 167 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.840 in her bag, she stopped him. She wouldn't let him 168 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.000 look in her bag, and so that was once that 169 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.759 why wouldn't you let the police have that tone? That 170 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.399 phone could have located the exact spot where Vince went 171 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.480 into the water, but she wouldn't let them know that. 172 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:31.639 And she continued in that behavior after she was taking 173 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.679 to the hospital. That same police officer went there and 174 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.360 he tried a couple of times to look in her bag, 175 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:44.679 and she kept sitting up suddenly looking at him and 176 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:48.559 asking what he was doing. And it was interfering with 177 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:51.960 her being treated for hypothermia. Because of her short time 178 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:57.399 in the water, she already had some symptoms of hypothermia. 179 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:05.519 That something that was a bit disturbing, but it didn't 180 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.399 really immediately point to her as having done something wrong. 181 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.399 Everybody was giving her the benefit of the doubt at first. 182 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:19.120 Number one, there was a grief issue. Number two, she 183 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:27.120 had just so although right away she was doing suspicious things, 184 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.679 everybody wanted to treat her as if she just lost 185 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:36.480 a loved one, and she was treated very gently initially. 186 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:40.639 But when she went down when they were doing the 187 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:44.360 search for events along the river, she showed up not 188 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.519 every day, but a lot of the days, and she 189 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.720 was not really searching. She was treating it more like 190 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:57.960 a party experience, a social experience, and she was giving 191 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:04.240 away items belonged to Vince. Now, when you think somebody's 192 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:09.440 just missing, you don't start giving their stuff away. It 193 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:12.600 was very alarming to the people who overheard her, like 194 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:19.039 Vince's sister, something wasn't right, and they started out being 195 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:24.559 supportive of her, but she totally chewed away at their 196 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.600 lack of suspicion. The police, on the other hand, weren't 197 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.960 hearing any of these things. And even when she said 198 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:40.759 We're going to have a get together to remember Vince 199 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:46.480 at his favorite restaurant and she invited the police, they 200 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:51.480 didn't go. And the people that were there were disturbed 201 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:56.279 by her behavior. Was around talking to everybody acting happy. 202 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:04.639 The ex wife of Vince was absolutely devastated. She was great, 203 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:08.919 and it was the difference was stark. People could not 204 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.399 understand how his ex wife could be grieving so badly 205 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.120 and Angelica with Angelica rather was walking around acting like 206 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.720 it was a big event all for her, And so 207 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:29.120 the friends and family were starting to have lots of questions, 208 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:33.440 and Vince's sister even called one of the investigators to 209 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:39.120 express her concerns after Angelica into the cartwheel in her backyard. 210 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.120 It wasn't like she was grieving at all. 211 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:51.240 You introduced some very very fascinating characters. Detective di Quarto, 212 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:55.679 he's a state police investigator that had got a call 213 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:59.919 from Trooper Vidakovich who told him of the missing kayak 214 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:06.360 mission and kayaker and so he had asked Freeman to 215 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:10.759 talk to Angelica. So this is the first person, and 216 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:15.600 you talk about Detective de Quarto and his approach to 217 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:21.679 Angelica and the questioning. Tell us what her reasoning or 218 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:27.039 the reason for Vincent not having not only a bodysuit 219 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:31.879 in that time of the year, but also a life vest. 220 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:33.519 What's her explanation. 221 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:38.840 She said, they only brought one with them, and Vince 222 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:43.960 insisted did she wear it, which does sound like something 223 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:48.279 Vince would do, but still it's odd that there was 224 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:55.039 only one. Vince was an experienced kayaker, he knew he 225 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.240 should have a life veest. So what happened to that 226 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:04.120 other life. That's a question that will probably never be 227 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:14.720 answered because we can't ask Vince. So she insisted that 228 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.000 it was all because of Vince, that he didn't have 229 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:21.240 a life jacket. All he had was that little flotation 230 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.080 device that doubled as a seat cover in the kayak. 231 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:35.879 You talked about that. The extensive search, an incredible search 232 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:40.440 with professionals and volunteers and friends and family. At some point, helicopters, 233 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:46.440 different county police departments in working in cooperation with each other. 234 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:51.240 But the Hudson River is problematic in them predicting where 235 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:55.759 this body might turn up. And as a result, this 236 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:57.919 search continued for quite a while, didn't. 237 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:04.119 It continued, and they it was very difficult because the 238 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.759 Hudson is a tidal river, so that means it sort 239 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:07.960 of changes direction. 240 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:09.440 And so. 241 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.799 When, like with a lot of bodies of water, you 242 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:20.799 can trace the direction of body might go in because 243 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.759 you can chart it well, the Hudson can't be charted 244 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.160 so well because it could have gone either way. And 245 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.839 so they had to keep broadening and broadening it. And 246 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:35.440 they had helicopters, they had people walking along the shoreline, 247 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:41.160 they had sides standing sonar on a boat. I mean, 248 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.799 they were doing everything they could try to find his body. 249 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.480 But part of the problem that Vince had with the 250 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:50.799 water was the fact that it was so cold, and 251 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:55.559 that also provided a problem for the search because it 252 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.960 isn't with the Hudson River. When it gets so cold, 253 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:05.799 bodies go down to the bottom and they don't come 254 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.599 up until the weather it gets a little warmer. 255 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:16.200 You talk about and including this book that Angelica her 256 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:20.880 former name Angelica Lipska, you provide for us that she 257 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.960 was born in Riga, Latvia, and you tell a little 258 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:28.119 bit of the history of its relation with Germany, that 259 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:31.519 of Germany. So let's talk about a little bit about 260 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:36.319 her upbringing and especially the very very interesting and of 261 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:43.279 course relevant former marriage and relationship background on Angelica. 262 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:51.359 Yeah, she was raised in a pretty big situation of poverty. 263 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:59.000 Her family didn't have much money and not need. It's 264 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:02.759 no goods because they were behind the Iron curtain when 265 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:11.559 Angelica was born, so they were surviving basically. When the 266 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.400 iron curtain was lifted, things did get a little bit 267 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:20.119 better as far as the hopefulness returned to the people. 268 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:25.440 And it was when that happened that Angelika was able 269 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.240 to start having dreams that she could believe might come through. 270 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.000 And her big dream was to go to the United States. 271 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:39.160 Before the curtain lifted when she was around ten, nobody 272 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:42.559 could count on ever doing that, and once it was 273 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.640 up she could dream of that, and when he got 274 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:50.160 old enough, she immediately went and applied for a visa 275 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.400 to go to the United States and started looking for 276 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.759 a job as a nanny, and she got one with 277 00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:00.839 family in New Jersey, and so she went over to 278 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:04.799 the United States with that job. She hadn't been there 279 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:09.720 really long when this guy came in to repair the 280 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:15.200 furnace and Angelika and he hit it off right away, 281 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.880 and before you know it, she was getting married and 282 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:24.519 Sean was taking her away from her from her nanny job. 283 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:29.680 That marriage didn't last very long at all. It was 284 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:34.160 tumultuous from the very beginning. It was too sudden, and 285 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:38.519 they didn't really know each other. After that relationship ended, 286 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:43.240 she met a man who had Richard Greswold, who had 287 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:48.440 a very prosperous concrete business and it was out of 288 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:55.960 the decorative concrete product available, and she was married to him. 289 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.759 And when she got a job at the Frank Eleanor 290 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:05.839 Roosevelt Museum, digitalizing a lot of the records they had 291 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:11.759 stored there. So she was going up to the Presidential 292 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:18.079 Museum and working on making digital stuff that could go online. 293 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:23.279 And she'd go into there and she would stay during 294 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:26.720 the weekend, then go to her husband on the weekend. Well, 295 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.480 by being there, she ended up going to a lot 296 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:34.000 of the different bars in the area on her evenings off, 297 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.640 and it was in doing that that she met another 298 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:46.440 guy that she really liked, and she suddenly decided to 299 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.000 leave her husband. And she sent a message to this 300 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:54.000 guy and say, hey, I'm leaving my husband. Well, he 301 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.319 was kind of odd that she would inform him of 302 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:01.160 this because as far as he was concerned, she was 303 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.400 just an occasional liason. And then, much to his surprise, 304 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:08.319 she comes and knocks on his door and says she's 305 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:12.559 moving in. Well, he was kind of a really laid 306 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:16.000 back guy, so he thought, okay, let's move in. She 307 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:19.400 can move in, no big deal. So that's what happened. 308 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:27.359 And it was very strange because she kind of thought 309 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:31.480 she should be a kept woman and he objected to that, 310 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:33.960 and he said she's got to get a job, and 311 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:35.759 even went so far as to buy her a car 312 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.359 so she could get to work. So we did that, 313 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:44.559 But then they went to this Beatles convention and he 314 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:49.200 had to drink and because of that, he couldn't perform sexually. 315 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:53.279 So as far as Angelica was concerned because he couldn't 316 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.200 do that on that one time. He was unger a man, 317 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:02.640 and she moved into the separate bedroom and then met 318 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:06.440 this other guy who was a photographer, and next thing 319 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.200 you know, she's leaving the house she's living in and 320 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:14.920 serving in with this guy's sister. That sister, and he 321 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.039 was then kicked out of his sister's house because they 322 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:24.480 didn't want him bringing other people in. So he and 323 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:28.920 Angelica were living by the river in a tent when 324 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.880 her former live in decided he bought this car and 325 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.240 he wants the car back, he doesn't want her driving it. 326 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:43.200 They returned it, but then Angelica wanted the cat they had, 327 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:47.480 and he said, you can't take a cat to live 328 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.680 in a tent, and she insisted to the point of 329 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.119 lagging down in the driveway and refusing to let him 330 00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:59.039 leave her to work until he agreed to let her 331 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:01.960 have the cat. So she took the cat. That didn't 332 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.359 last long either. She ended up bringing the cat back because, yeah, 333 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:08.079 living in the tents not a good place to try 334 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:14.920 to deal with a cat. So then after him, I mean, 335 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.279 I never could figure out exactly when he faded out 336 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.519 out of the scene, but she went to take photographs 337 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:28.839 at a fundraiser event that Vince was tending to and 338 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:32.559 that's where they met, and the two of them kind 339 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:34.920 of hit it off. He had a good job, so 340 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:39.480 that was very promising to her, and she thought she 341 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:43.160 had somebody else who might take care of her. And 342 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:48.359 Vince was smitten with this exotic, perky woman who spoke 343 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:53.759 with an adorable accent, and before you knew it, he 344 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:56.680 had gotten an apartment that she could move into with him. 345 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:02.200 And his friends were shocked because it wasn't that long 346 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:06.799 that his second marriage ended, and they thought that he 347 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.200 was going to stay sinkle for a while time that's 348 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.599 what he said he was going to do. He just 349 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:14.319 wasn't going to have settled down for a while. But 350 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:19.559 Derry was settling down and before long he was proposing 351 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:24.240 to Angelika and they were going to get married. And 352 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.160 what really shocked some of his friends was when he 353 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:32.359 said I want to have a child with her, because 354 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.160 they knew that was something he'd always said he didn't 355 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.680 want to do, so they said he must really be 356 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:39.119 in love. 357 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.519 There was also another thing that would be disturbing later well, 358 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.400 one people found out, but there was according to Vincent, 359 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.720 a reason for it, even though they weren't married. He 360 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:56.079 decided to put her and name her as a beneficiary 361 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.839 on those insurance policies and put her on hisself. 362 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:05.599 And yeah, and he at his work. When you're not 363 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.799 married and you want to get a living partner put 364 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:14.640 on your medical insurance, you have to do a certain 365 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:19.000 number of things to prove the commitment of the relationship, 366 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:21.759 and one of them was to put her on his 367 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:26.839 life insurance policy. And he did that because he it 368 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.880 bothered him that she didn't have any healthcare coverage and 369 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:34.319 he wanted her to, so that's what he did. And 370 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:40.799 it's you know, it's kind of eerie. It's it's almost 371 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.279 like said, Okay, if you get somebody on your life 372 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.920 insurance policy, don't let them know about it. You know. 373 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:54.559 It's like like a little red flag. 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