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Speaker 5: Step fish, Welcome to the Cult rejects. This episode, I
Speaker 5: got my boy JJ Vince co hosting with me. Thank
Speaker 5: you very much, JJ for coming on. And it was
Speaker 5: kind of like a short notice of course, of course,
Speaker 5: so thank you very much for coming on, and finally
Speaker 5: got this man back on. I've been waiting since the
Speaker 5: last time he was on, when he had told me
Speaker 5: that he was working on a new documentary. He always
Speaker 5: does good work, my opinion, I think at the last
Speaker 5: documentary he did was amazing. I suggest everybody to check
Speaker 5: that out. Kind of blew my mind, and it was
Speaker 5: wild to find out that even some of my family
Speaker 5: members had actually had some of the same idea that
Speaker 5: he presented. So it was kind of interesting because even
Speaker 5: my family went to go watch it after I told
Speaker 5: him I thought it was so good, and they were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: your mom used to think that's what actually happened. I
Speaker 5: was like, what the fuck? So it was really wild
Speaker 5: for me to find out that my mom thought the
Speaker 5: same thing that Ryder Lee was showing in the movie.
Speaker 5: Just weird, you know. But yeah, we got right A
Speaker 5: Lye on with us today as the guest. Real quick, JJ,
Speaker 5: just let all the new people and the new listeners
Speaker 5: that don't know who you are, let them know where
Speaker 5: they can find your amazing work.
Speaker 2: Please, JJ, vance right there on the screen, host of
Speaker 2: Operation GCDD, help folks out right there on the screen.
Speaker 2: The host A Shenanigan infused journey into the mind of
Speaker 2: this particular garbage can dude in fact talking going to
Speaker 2: be doing a live show tonight on the process What
Speaker 2: is the Processed Church with Dana from Rotting Jewels a
Speaker 2: continuation of numerous discussions we've had on the Processed Church
Speaker 2: here on the Occult Rejects now looking forward to the conversation.
Speaker 2: Appreciate the invite writer definitely enjoyed the documentary. Still processing
Speaker 2: a lot of our conversation last week from the Ancient
Speaker 2: Aliens and the UFO drone invasions, So a lot of
Speaker 2: good information there for folks to go check out on
Speaker 2: the conversation all three of us did last Wednesday on
Speaker 2: Operation GCD and yeah, w looking forward to this one.
Speaker 2: I see a lot of process speaking of processed church,
Speaker 2: see a lot of processed church connections within the whole intel.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, sy up or I'm sorry mind controlled
Speaker 2: killer circumstances you present in your in your film, and
Speaker 2: definitely looking forward to to get into some of those ideas.
Speaker 6: Do you remember the little section that we had of
Speaker 6: Mark Devlin talking about the process church. Obviously we couldn't
Speaker 6: go super deep into it in your documentary, but because
Speaker 6: it would.
Speaker 2: Know it's great. Yeah. Mark Dellen's great too. I'm very
Speaker 2: familiar with his work on Manson Family. Sure. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a great addition to your film. I thought him and
Speaker 2: Joe at Will both we're both surprising. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I really liked, uh what Mark Devlin brought to the table.
Speaker 6: His research is really incredible, And that's really awesome that
Speaker 6: you're doing things with Dana. I had her on my
Speaker 6: show as well. She's a really incredible research.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yes, for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean the the Cross, there are a lot of
Speaker 2: the topics and personnelity you've identified in your film. It's
Speaker 2: just to me, I think it just speaks to the
Speaker 2: same kind of soup we're talking about here. Where kind
Speaker 2: of the subject where Data and I are going to
Speaker 2: discuss tonight is just more of a general concept of
Speaker 2: what is the process, you know, from a legal standpoint,
Speaker 2: from a you know, reality standpoint, what you know from
Speaker 2: a you know, execution of their ideas standpoint. But yeah,
Speaker 2: there's certainly there's certainly involved a lot of characters like
Speaker 2: you all present as well in the film surround Sirhan, Yes,
Speaker 2: Wild and.
Speaker 6: How Sirhan Sirhan is just basically being psychically driven to
Speaker 6: write the same thing j RFK must die ORFK must
Speaker 6: Die over and over again. And then Jack within the
Speaker 6: Shining is essentially writing his own version of psychic driving,
Speaker 6: which is all working no play makes Jack a dull boy,
Speaker 6: over and over and over again. And that's one of
Speaker 6: the connections that I found later on after I'd realized
Speaker 6: exactly what's going on within the Shining, and I was
Speaker 6: putting all these things together, and I was like, holy
Speaker 6: crad of this is exactly like I mean, this is
Speaker 6: a real life example, and we show several real life
Speaker 6: examples of you know, what's being portrayed in The Shining,
Speaker 6: and then things that has happened in real life, like
Speaker 6: the dosing of LSD and the you know, Jack essentially
Speaker 6: being dosed with LSD, and we know that the CIA
Speaker 6: was would do that all the time. They would even
Speaker 6: spray like LSD RSL and entire groups of unsuspecting people.
Speaker 6: And that's really where we you know, got to the
Speaker 6: core of exactly what's going on within the Shining and
Speaker 6: using all these real life examples of you know, and
Speaker 6: then you also have like things like with Sue Lyon
Speaker 6: as well within the movie Lolito, which is essentially about pedophilia,
Speaker 6: and then the exact same thing is happening to her
Speaker 6: and real life with James B. Harris, Kubrick's producer on
Speaker 6: the on the movie, he's doing the same thing to her,
Speaker 6: that is what she's portraying in the movie. And then
Speaker 6: with like a clockwork Shining whenever that came out, I
Speaker 6: mean a clockwork Orange. Sorry, when a clockwork Orange came out,
Speaker 6: it got banned in all these different countries because there
Speaker 6: was like you know, clockwork, Orange murders and gangs and
Speaker 6: things that were going on and crime was rising really high,
Speaker 6: and they decided to ban the movie over there. And
Speaker 6: then like with you know, within The Shining, with Shelley Duvall,
Speaker 6: in the way that Cubrick is treating Shaley Duvall, you know,
Speaker 6: it seems very reminiscent of what someone would do to
Speaker 6: another person if they're trying to you know, traumatize them
Speaker 6: and break down their mind and mind fracture them within
Speaker 6: the movie, and he's doing that there her in real
Speaker 6: life as it's sort of being portrayed in The Shining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that, and I well, when I was
Speaker 2: watching it, before I got to that part, I wondered
Speaker 2: if you'all were going to address what became of Shelley Duvall,
Speaker 2: And that was I thought that was a good way
Speaker 2: to summarize it. They're the way you just did that
Speaker 2: that section of the film, because yeah, clearly something happened
Speaker 2: to Shelley Duvall. She passed this past year. I saw
Speaker 2: y'all dedicated the film to her her passing her life
Speaker 2: that is, but yeah, she definitely, I mean she was
Speaker 2: mentally affected there throughout the latter part of her life
Speaker 2: there after she did The Shining, Yeah, and there with
Speaker 2: her you know, her physical and drug abuse and physical deterioration. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Kubrick is really a master filmmaker, and he likes to
Speaker 6: put things in there that are symbolically telling a story.
Speaker 6: And whenever Wendy, one of the first things that Wendy
Speaker 6: sees after Jack is trying to kill her with an axe,
Speaker 6: and then she puts Danny out the window, and then
Speaker 6: she goes downstairs and she sees Hollarin's body dead on
Speaker 6: the floor. Which Hollaran is the only person that is
Speaker 6: killed in this entire movie, and he actually wasn't killed
Speaker 6: in Stephen King's novel The Shining, but Kubery put it
Speaker 6: in that Jack kills Holleran in the movie. And then
Speaker 6: whenever Wendy turns around, she she sees the gentleman that's
Speaker 6: standing there with the wineglass, and the gentleman says, great party,
Speaker 6: isn't it, And he's got the split down his forehead.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: That's to me some symbolizing the mind fracturing that Windy
Speaker 6: is currently going through.
Speaker 2: No, for sure, I think that was a great point too,
Speaker 2: because I mean that was a very big beef between
Speaker 2: Kubrick and King, right with these these elements that Kubrick
Speaker 2: changed from the King narrative, and clearly Kubrick's doing and
Speaker 2: changing these narratives, changing these elements of the narrative for
Speaker 2: an intended purpose, And I think, Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 2: a good way to describe that scene for sure, because
Speaker 2: there's a lot I mean, there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: I've seen the Shining before. It's probably my favorite Kubrick film.
Speaker 2: It's certainly the one I saw first, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things that I saw that probably as a teenager.
Speaker 2: I didn't really get into any of other Kubrick films
Speaker 2: until recent years, probably five years ago or so, But
Speaker 2: I thought that was an interesting way did the psychic
Speaker 2: driving aspect of Probably the line that sticks out of
Speaker 2: the scene, that sticks out the most of the movie
Speaker 2: to me is the all working no play makes Jack
Speaker 2: a dull boy. And I never really considered that to
Speaker 2: be a psychic driving thing, but it makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense in that context.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are our.
Speaker 6: Movie really brings together a lot of the holes that
Speaker 6: people have pointed out within the movie. Why certain things
Speaker 6: don't make sense. You know why all these connuity errors
Speaker 6: are there, you know, items disappearing and reappearing. You know,
Speaker 6: there's even dialogue errors within the Shining that are that
Speaker 6: stick out like a sore thumb, and no one has
Speaker 6: really been able to explain why these things are there.
Speaker 6: And also you know why these like random scenes of
Speaker 6: like when Wendy goes upstairs and she sees the guy
Speaker 6: that's dressed up in like a teddy Bear costume that is,
Speaker 6: you know, makes it look like that he's performing oral
Speaker 6: sex on the other gentleman, that's what's on the bed.
Speaker 6: And a lot of those makes sense when you realize
Speaker 6: that you know what this movie is really and you
Speaker 6: can put two and two together and realize that exactly
Speaker 6: what's going on within this movie. And also Q bricks
Speaker 6: like foreshadowing within the movie is like completely genius. It's
Speaker 6: it's genius filmmaking. In the very beginning of the movie,
Speaker 6: when the doctor comes to visit Danny, there's a teddy
Speaker 6: Bear that Danny is laying on. There's teddy Bear paintings
Speaker 6: and pictures throughout the movie, and then you got the
Speaker 6: teddy bear guy that's dressed up in a bear costume.
Speaker 6: The amount of times that baseball bats show up in
Speaker 6: the movie before Windy even picks up the baseball bat
Speaker 6: is staggering. In the first ten minutes of the movie,
Speaker 6: when the doctor is visiting Danny, there's a curtain on
Speaker 6: the side that has like a cartoon character holding a
Speaker 6: baseball bat. Whenever Jack goes to look at the maze
Speaker 6: the model of the maze, which is one of the
Speaker 6: most interesting scenes of the entire movie, with Jack's looking
Speaker 6: at the model of the maze and then the maze
Speaker 6: fades into the outside maze where Danny and Windy is
Speaker 6: outside in the maze. It's unlike any other shot in
Speaker 6: the entire movie. But before he goes to look at
Speaker 6: the maze, there's a baseball bat that's laying on the
Speaker 6: couch downstairs, but then it automatically appears back upstairs in
Speaker 6: their apartment where Windy and daniere setting with the Teddy
Speaker 6: Bear in the background. Another Teddy Bear symbolism with a
Speaker 6: fire truck and the ladder of the fire trucks sticking up,
Speaker 6: giving the appearance that the Teddy Bear. Teddy Bear has
Speaker 6: a heart on and right beside that Teddy Bear is
Speaker 6: where the baseball bat is that Wendy picks up and
Speaker 6: then goes downstairs and finds that Jack is uh, you know,
Speaker 6: finds all of his work that he's not really reading
Speaker 6: a novel. She finds it he's just writing out the
Speaker 6: same thing over and over and over again. And yeah,
Speaker 6: then he comes in and that's when he's, uh, he's triggered,
Speaker 6: and he designs, you know, try and kill Wendy and
Speaker 6: go after Danny.
Speaker 2: And even that's kind of foreshadowed, right, because they tell
Speaker 2: the story of the previous caretaker who whoo, who had
Speaker 2: his family in this in the same means, right, that's
Speaker 2: where that's where Jack learns it from. Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Between Stuart Olman in the beginning of the movie
Speaker 6: is like the most incredible dialogue of the entire movie
Speaker 6: because almend pretty much sets up exactly what's going to
Speaker 6: happen throughout the entire movie. He tells Jack everything that
Speaker 6: essentially is going on, that it's not a physically demanding job,
Speaker 6: that is more of a psychological job because of the
Speaker 6: isolation and everything that's going on up there. That you know,
Speaker 6: the winners are really bad. You normally snowed in. You
Speaker 6: can't really get to town. And then you also have
Speaker 6: you know, what other programs and things do we know
Speaker 6: that uses isolation and sensory deprivation. I mean, there's an
Speaker 6: entire coup Bark counter Intelligence CIA manual that uses sensory
Speaker 6: deprivation techniques and isolation techniques to get things out of prisoners.
Speaker 6: And yes, it's kup Bark Counterintelligence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, pretty striking, isn't it It is?
Speaker 6: And that we bring that up in the movie, Q
Speaker 6: bar q brick what's going on there? And you know,
Speaker 6: and then he Almond then explains that you know what
Speaker 6: happened to the previous caretaker that he, you know, suffered
Speaker 6: from some sort of what they what the police called
Speaker 6: cabin fever and decided to kill his two kids and
Speaker 6: his family and that's it and his wife. So, I mean,
Speaker 6: that's exactly what Jack ends up doing as well. JJ Freeze, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think he did.
Speaker 2: Grows up. My Grimlin's were acting up and with Starling today,
Speaker 2: got at a big storm. Then someone activated the alien
Speaker 2: weather devices apparently in right back.
Speaker 6: Well that's wild you. We can barely even see you
Speaker 6: anyway with that camouflage on JJ.
Speaker 5: Right, He's got the camouflage all around them too on
Speaker 5: the outside.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this our movie at Clockwork Shining, which is on
Speaker 6: Amazon Prime and Apple TV Plus, is is a new
Speaker 6: look at the Shining material and it's it's not something
Speaker 6: it's not about the moon landing. Okay, Jay Widener is
Speaker 6: in the movie. Okay, he's the originator of the you know,
Speaker 6: thinking that the Shining is Cubri's confession of faking the
Speaker 6: moon landing. But this movie is not about the moon landing.
Speaker 6: We maybe mentioned the moon landing a couple of different
Speaker 6: times throughout the movie. It probably takes up like two
Speaker 6: minutes of almost two hours of the movie. So you know,
Speaker 6: before people think that, you know, this is just a
Speaker 6: complete rehashing of old stuff and that it's nothing new,
Speaker 6: it isn't. It is something new that that I believe
Speaker 6: is actually going on with the Shining. No.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great point because yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: you obviously do touch on it there, but that's a great,
Speaker 2: great assessment. It was about two minutes of the of
Speaker 2: the two hours talking about the Apollo stuff. I did
Speaker 2: find a lot of the and where you really touch
Speaker 2: based on it seemed like was the Wonderland Air Force Base,
Speaker 2: Lookout Mountain, laboratories discussion, which was obviously relevant to mention there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a big integral part of the entire documentary
Speaker 6: because you know, the it's interesting because there was a
Speaker 6: hotel right there where Lookout Mountain air Force Base became
Speaker 6: the Air Force Base, and the hotel was called Lookout
Speaker 6: Mountain Hotel, which looked, you know, similar to Stanley Kubrick's
Speaker 6: Overlook Hotel within The Shining and that hotel ended up
Speaker 6: burning for the ground in the early nineteen hundreds, and
Speaker 6: then Stephen King's sequel movie to The Shining Doctor Sleep,
Speaker 6: the Overlook Hotel burns to the ground. So it's like
Speaker 6: this this weird parallel between you know, reality either mimicking
Speaker 6: art or art mimicking reality, which we find throughout all
Speaker 6: of Stanley Kubrick's movies. Then you also have you know,
Speaker 6: Catcher in the Rye as well, like all that that
Speaker 6: stuff with Ketcher in the Rye is completely wild. I
Speaker 6: mean when we first meet Wendy and Danny in the movie,
Speaker 6: Wendy is reading Catcher in the Rye, which is buying
Speaker 6: intelligence Officer J. D. Salinger, and this was a year
Speaker 6: before both assassinations, which involves Catcher in the Rye and
Speaker 6: was found on the scene. Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley Junior.
Speaker 6: This Catcher in the Rye was in this movie before
Speaker 6: those assassinations took place. With John Lennon and all the Beatles.
Speaker 6: Symbolism within The Shining as well is you know they
Speaker 6: look they're walking almost identically to the Beatles Abbey Road
Speaker 6: album cover. You have the beatle that's in the background
Speaker 6: of the Abbey Road cover, which was John Lennon's beatle.
Speaker 6: Stephen King put a beatle in the in the movie.
Speaker 6: It was supposed to be a red Beatles. Stanley Kuper
Speaker 6: changed it from a red to a yellow beatle, and
Speaker 6: then when Hollerin is traveling up to the overlook, you
Speaker 6: see a red beetle crush underneath a fourteen wheeler. Semi you.
Speaker 6: Stephen King was supposed to, you know, make the.
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings J. R. R.
Speaker 6: Tolkien's Lord of the Rings movie where the Beatles were
Speaker 6: gonna play all the Hobbits. Stephen King actually got the
Speaker 6: idea to name his novel The Shining from a John
Speaker 6: Lennon song called Instant Karma where he talks about we
Speaker 6: all shine on there's so much Beatles, things in Beatles
Speaker 6: connections between Stanley to Break the Shining and and Stephen
Speaker 6: King as well. It's really incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was some interesting correlations I had
Speaker 2: and not previously considered were identified. And you know, the
Speaker 2: Beatles are an interesting group because you know, back to
Speaker 2: the Processed Church, they definitely erupt out of the out
Speaker 2: of the Mayfair scene and literally out of the Processed
Speaker 2: Church headquarters in the Mayfair the Beatles formal band and
Speaker 2: Paul Asher famously Paul Asher. Paul McCartney was dating his
Speaker 2: girlfriend Asher. Her her first cousin was a founding member
Speaker 2: of the of the Process and I believe recently passed
Speaker 2: out there in cana of Utah, Diane Asher and uh
Speaker 2: that that uh McCartney's uh girlfriend Asher. I can't think
Speaker 2: of her first name at the moment. I want to
Speaker 2: call her Linda, but I know that's not it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: her brother is the McCartney's girlfriend's brother was allegedly a
Speaker 2: member of the Process and owner of that Indica art gallery,
Speaker 2: uh coffee and art gallery there in Mayfair district where
Speaker 2: the Beatles would hang out, where John Mett Yoko, where
Speaker 2: Lennon met Yoko, was at that in the Indica Gallery there.
Speaker 2: So it's very difficult. I mean, there's a lot more
Speaker 2: obvious uh symbolism within the process uh and the Beatles
Speaker 2: at the very same time they're they're associating themselves with this.
Speaker 2: They'll they'll make an album where they're all wearing a
Speaker 2: very processed looking cloak right on the album cover, so
Speaker 2: you know, and obviously there's the the Crowley stuff when
Speaker 2: you come to Sergeant Pepper's. Nonetheless, it's a it's a narrative.
Speaker 2: They can't be separated between the two of the process
Speaker 2: and the Beatles, And I had no idea there was
Speaker 2: those there's the correlations and you know, between the Beatles
Speaker 2: and the some of the naming there with the with
Speaker 2: the Kubrick films yea.
Speaker 6: And then Charles Manson said to be a part of
Speaker 6: the processed Church, and sure, you know, and also connection
Speaker 6: to the Beatles as well, like that gentleman just brought
Speaker 6: up in the chat, you know, Manson being a musician,
Speaker 6: and I believe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 6: but I believe that Manson claimed that the Beatles stole
Speaker 6: some of his songs or something like that, and might
Speaker 6: correct and seeing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the beasts. So yeah, the Beatles were
Speaker 2: definitely part of that Laurel Canyon scene. So right there
Speaker 2: and lookout Mountain Laboratories, Wonderland Air Force Base. I mean,
Speaker 2: the Beatles were hanging out right through there, along with
Speaker 2: the stuff you identify in the film with with the
Speaker 2: monkeys and Jack Nicholson and the kind of the psychedelic
Speaker 2: music scene that was going on there at the time.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix would have been a third party there with
Speaker 2: Peter Tork and Jack Nicholson and that and that and
Speaker 2: that little trio of you know, activity around that movie
Speaker 2: had you all identify in the film. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean the Beatles are very much part of that scene.
Speaker 2: Phil Spector, the producer of The Wall of Sound, he
Speaker 2: produced the Beatles as well. He owned some of their
Speaker 2: some of the rights to their music. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's uh, certainly a scene that they're they're They're often
Speaker 2: not immediately identified with, but they were certainly embedded in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in China Town with Roman Polanski that he directed
Speaker 6: with Jack Nicholson, and then Roman Planski was at a
Speaker 6: Jack Nicholson prompt party and then he got he raped
Speaker 6: a thirteen year old girl and then fled the country
Speaker 6: for from prosecution. And then at that same time, Jack
Speaker 6: Nicholson also loved to go to England to shoot the Shining.
Speaker 2: Yep, not coincidental, I'm sure. I mean, these are all
Speaker 2: part of the same network. It seems like as far
Speaker 2: as the you know, these uh, these filmmakers and producers there,
Speaker 2: because you have Bob Evans involved in that Polansky Nicholson
Speaker 2: cover up of the rape business of Plansky, and you
Speaker 2: know he's he's very much involved in uh with these
Speaker 2: same cult groups as well, along with as you all
Speaker 2: point out, Nicholson. But yeah, the Beatles stuff is very
Speaker 2: interesting to me because uh, you know, they they they
Speaker 2: definitely seem to be very much part of this kind
Speaker 2: of acculted mind, almost like the way the Manchurian Candidate
Speaker 2: films served as some sort of you know or even
Speaker 2: as you all point out the book from Jadie Suder,
Speaker 2: there the the I'm drawing a blank, what's that right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because then the whole all the Beatles connections, and
Speaker 6: then it just happens to be that John Lennon is
Speaker 6: is assassinating and murdered less than a year after the
Speaker 6: shining comes out where Wendy is reading the exact same
Speaker 6: book and Mark David Chapman is reading the book on
Speaker 6: the scene. After he's setting on the sidewalk and the
Speaker 6: police come and he's actively reading the book Catcher in
Speaker 6: the Rye. And then he goes to court and stands
Speaker 6: up in court and says that if you want my defense,
Speaker 6: all you need to do is Recatcher in the Rye.
Speaker 6: And then as psychologist visits him in prison a couple
Speaker 6: of years after, and then he's still reading Catcher in
Speaker 6: the Rye. Then you have John Hinckley Junior, which was
Speaker 6: also involved and a well it was an attempted assassination
Speaker 6: of Ronald Reagan, but that was also found on the scene.
Speaker 6: It seems it seems like we're in assassination season right
Speaker 6: now in the United States. It seems like we're bringing
Speaker 6: that full circle right back around.
Speaker 2: Sure, well, I'm kind of wait and and I'm kind
Speaker 2: of waiting for the Satanists to attack.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That seems to be a going trend with a lot
Speaker 2: of these presidential assassination attempts from Sir Hans, Sir Han
Speaker 2: TeV elements to the JFK situation, with the same Satanist parties,
Speaker 2: you know, through the Gerald Ford attempts in the seventies,
Speaker 2: you know, onto the Hankleys and you know whatnot. There
Speaker 2: all seems to be an underlying trend with Satanists. We
Speaker 2: haven't seen that yet in our latest assassination season, but
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for it.
Speaker 6: Well, did you guys see this article about JFK from
Speaker 6: I might have the Vanity Fair article?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
Speaker 6: He supposedly faked his assassination from the two months before,
Speaker 6: has supposed a real assassination in nineteen sixty three. Why
Speaker 6: had JFK staged his own murder and a James Bond
Speaker 6: inspired spy film two months before his assassination.
Speaker 2: Well, that's wild.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a whole Vanity Fair article here, it's and
Speaker 6: that's kind of what we surmise in our first Sure
Speaker 6: documentary JFK Xcenty and Jay Winer did that you can
Speaker 6: also find on Amazon Prime. So this was really wild
Speaker 6: to me that Vanity Fair came out with this and
Speaker 6: it was a Jackie Kennedy filmed a fake assassination of
Speaker 6: JFK two months before the supposed real assassination. So I mean,
Speaker 6: I've shown this article. I've sent it to several people
Speaker 6: and they don't even know what to make of it.
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm in the same boat right now when
Speaker 2: you're when you're presenting here. It's an odd one, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's got you know. They talk about all of
Speaker 6: this and that kid that Jackie was a really big
Speaker 6: proponent of films. She wanted to be a filmmaker and
Speaker 6: a film director, and she studied French film and all
Speaker 6: of the Secret Service agents that were involved with this
Speaker 6: with the supposed real assassination that happened November twenty second,
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty three, we're also involved in this fake assassination
Speaker 6: that happened to those films two months prior they were
Speaker 6: all there there. Jockie called them and was like, pull
Speaker 6: up to the house and and pretend that you heard
Speaker 6: gunshots go off.
Speaker 2: Wow, we'll not have to read that article.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll drop it in the chat here too, and
Speaker 6: I'll just send it to you as well. But I thought,
Speaker 6: but you also have allman within the movie that looks
Speaker 6: almost identical to JFK and JFK actually watched Kubrick's movie
Speaker 6: Spartacus at the White House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that was an interesting part of the
Speaker 2: documentary all covered because I think that's an under underdiscussed
Speaker 2: aspect of politics in Hollywood, is the is the Douglas
Speaker 2: clan altogether, and they're obviously deeply involved there in the UH,
Speaker 2: in the in the in the film Spartacus as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so JFK was definitely a fan of uh Stanley
Speaker 6: Kubrick's work, I mean, to watch it. I mean JFK
Speaker 6: was known to watch a lot of movies at the
Speaker 6: White House, but that was one of the first ones
Speaker 6: that he watched was Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus, and he supported
Speaker 6: it as well.
Speaker 2: But that was considered a big left wing effort at
Speaker 2: the time, Right, That was a very much part of
Speaker 2: the Communist Red Scare in Hollywood, and they were often
Speaker 2: considered as the communist factions. Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, JFK had And that's what a lot of people
Speaker 6: don't really remember is that JFK was a Democrat. He
Speaker 6: wasn't a Republican, but a lot of the Republicans prop
Speaker 6: him up like he was somehow like a Republican, and
Speaker 6: a lot of the Republicans of the time did not
Speaker 6: like JFK. They were pretty much against him. Because he
Speaker 6: obviously wanted to desegregate the population and do a lot
Speaker 6: of left leaning ideology things that the right did not
Speaker 6: want to do at that time, and that's what created
Speaker 6: you know, Kennedy, gave Kennedy a lot of enemies within
Speaker 6: the political spectrum.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of left right politics around that production
Speaker 2: of that film, right, for relative to the impact on
Speaker 2: Kubrick correct, Correct, Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's a really interesting We have some clips of it
Speaker 6: in our movie, like it's it is very the divisive film,
Speaker 6: just like a lot of Cubic's or early works were
Speaker 6: really divisive, and like Barry Linden, it did not go
Speaker 6: over very well. I mean, Berry Linden was an amazingly
Speaker 6: beautiful film. It was shot beautifully, of course, but it
Speaker 6: just did not go over well with the audience. It
Speaker 6: did not go over well with the critics. And it's
Speaker 6: a high possibility that Warner Brothers was kind of like, hey,
Speaker 6: let's let's do this horror novel by Stephen King, because
Speaker 6: they had already had a big success with a horror
Speaker 6: novel and big time film director director with William Freaking
Speaker 6: and The Actressist, which was based on a book.
Speaker 2: There's so much information for scuy Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think that the actressist was I don't
Speaker 6: think that was even a real story. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 6: people have done a lot of research into the actressist
Speaker 6: kid and that being a real story, and it turns
Speaker 6: out that all those people were fake. They're all fake
Speaker 6: people that they never even existed. And but that's what
Speaker 6: the movie was based off of, was that novel. And
Speaker 6: it's highly possible that Warner Brothers was kind of like, oh, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, do this book by this, you know, big
Speaker 6: time author, Stephen King, because your your movies before has
Speaker 6: just been you know, really big flops. Like, we can't
Speaker 6: take another flop, so let's do something that's been proven
Speaker 6: to work with, you know, adapting a horror novel into
Speaker 6: a film.
Speaker 2: Right there. He had success with some of the King
Speaker 2: stuff right in the mid seventies with like is it Carrie, Yes, Carrie.
Speaker 6: I think Chris maybe Chris. I think Christine might.
Speaker 2: Have been seen one of the one of those one
Speaker 2: of those Stephen King stories, right they made in the
Speaker 2: in the seventies.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, but it as well, I think it
Speaker 6: might have came out in the eighties or Yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: not I'm not up on a lot of the Stephen
Speaker 6: King films in their release dates, though I am pretty
Speaker 6: good with movie release.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan of King. I can't. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm really That's one of the things that I try
Speaker 2: to watch the shot things when the King version, right,
Speaker 2: I just it wasn't I didn't think it was nearly
Speaker 2: as good.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that was completely That was a bunch of garbage.
Speaker 6: And it was a mini series. I I couldn't even
Speaker 6: watch it. I couldn't even finish it. It was just
Speaker 6: so bad. And we realized based off of that movie,
Speaker 6: which well, that TV series that came out in the nineties,
Speaker 6: why Stephen King, you know, changed up a lot of
Speaker 6: things within his version of The Shining because they didn't
Speaker 6: make any sense. They did not transfer to film well,
Speaker 6: and that's probably a big reason why. I also, Stanley
Speaker 6: Kubrick took took out a lot of the paranormal aspects
Speaker 6: from King's book. He wanted to make this more of
Speaker 6: a psychological film instead of a horror movie with the
Speaker 6: ghosts and you know, paranormal activity. I mean, King has
Speaker 6: a freaking haunted bush. There's a freaking haunted bush, and
Speaker 6: in King's uh mini series. Well, but then the Shining
Speaker 6: and it also talks about That's one of the things
Speaker 6: that Kubrick actually left in was Almond talking about that
Speaker 6: is built on top of an Indian burial ground, and
Speaker 6: that's where a lot of the theories come from. That
Speaker 6: it's uh that that the movie is about Native American
Speaker 6: genocide and uh, you know, the Holocaust and all that
Speaker 6: stuff as well. Because of Almond commenting that that that
Speaker 6: the hotel was built on top of an Indian burial ground.
Speaker 2: That is a kingism though, right. I think King puts
Speaker 2: in a number of his books pet cemetery. I think
Speaker 2: it's another aspect of pet cemetery that the pet cemetery
Speaker 2: is on a on an Indian mound. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And a lot of kings and books also take place
Speaker 6: in Colorado to Colorado and like Pennsylvania, and they all
Speaker 6: involve a writer pretty much. All of them have a
Speaker 6: writer in his.
Speaker 2: Which was always was the was was the employment of
Speaker 2: Jack right, he was a budding writer, writer trying to
Speaker 2: be right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's the thing that we bring up in
Speaker 6: our movie as well, is like, because it's mentioned several
Speaker 6: times in the movie, like these people in Denver, Like
Speaker 6: we show all the cuts of every time that these
Speaker 6: people in Denver are mentioned in this movie, and it's
Speaker 6: like five or six times in this conversation between all
Speaker 6: men and Jack, like our people in Denver, well, the
Speaker 6: people in Denver. The people in Denver highly recommended Jack,
Speaker 6: and no one is really asked, who are these people
Speaker 6: in Denver?
Speaker 2: Like people stressed the contracts, the Denver folks.
Speaker 6: And then later on when Jack is, you know, going
Speaker 6: after Wendy, He's like, do you do you have any
Speaker 6: idea what a contract is? You know that that I
Speaker 6: have a responsibility to my employers. It's almost like he
Speaker 6: knows exactly what's going on up there, that he knows
Speaker 6: that this is some kind of experiment that he needs
Speaker 6: to see through to the end, no matter what.
Speaker 2: Of course Denver, I mean, it sounds a nothing. I
Speaker 2: had considered it as many times I've seen the shining before,
Speaker 2: this old Denver connection in these contracts. I kind of
Speaker 2: laugh to Your All's montage with the Denver montage, because
Speaker 2: there is it's pretty I mean it is. It's a
Speaker 2: heavy undertone in the in the plot line.
Speaker 6: Yeah, these these people in Denver, well, your people in
Speaker 6: Denver might have not might not have told you, but
Speaker 6: the previous Corecaker murdered his entire family. Well, I understand
Speaker 6: why your people in Denver left that for you to
Speaker 6: tell me. It's over and over again, how many times.
Speaker 2: The Jack kind of just struggles it all. In the
Speaker 2: conversation with the JFK looking for it, he kind of
Speaker 2: just you know, laughs at the Denver at the Denver comments, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you it's.
Speaker 6: Kind of well known that the CIA, like the Denver
Speaker 6: Colorado is like the hub of the CIA, Like I said,
Speaker 6: like the second spot other than Washington, d C. That
Speaker 6: has a heavy CIA presence is in Denver. And people
Speaker 6: have talked about how Denver, well Colorado in general, is
Speaker 6: going to be this new you know, headquarters for the
Speaker 6: New World and all that. So, I mean, it's not
Speaker 6: out of the realm of possibility, sure, I mean, the
Speaker 6: United States is really where you would want to set
Speaker 6: up all your stuff because you know, on any of
Speaker 6: the coast if another country attacks, then they're going to
Speaker 6: to you really quickly. But if you're positioned like almost
Speaker 6: directly in the middle, then.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 2: Sure, and then you have all.
Speaker 6: This stuff of the Denver International Airport and all the
Speaker 6: things that people are you have theorized that's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 6: for you know a long time. You know, underground facilities
Speaker 6: underneath the Denver National Airport and all that, which d
Speaker 6: IA is really big, dude, Like it is a big airport,
Speaker 6: and it seems like it's big for absolutely no reason.
Speaker 6: Like you you can just walk down to corridors for
Speaker 6: like ever and like not really even see anybody. It's
Speaker 6: so weird.
Speaker 2: But it's so upset from the city. It's very it
Speaker 2: is very strange. It could do anything underground out there
Speaker 2: for sure, fear of the tunnel and that there's not
Speaker 2: enough discussion about Colorado tunnels. But you got Shying Mountain,
Speaker 2: you got all those air Force bases. I mean there's
Speaker 2: a lot of tunnels in Colorado for sure.
Speaker 6: Well, there's a CIA document that that came out I
Speaker 6: think in like twenty eleven. It's called the Adam and
Speaker 6: Eves Story, and it was a declassified document that talks about,
Speaker 6: you know, whenever this giant cataclysm is going to come
Speaker 6: that's going to completely wreck everything, one of the only
Speaker 6: places that's going to be safe from this cataclysm is
Speaker 6: going to be around the Rocky Mountains. So the only
Speaker 6: survivors of this giant flood that is supposedly going to
Speaker 6: hit the United States is going to be in Colorado. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the Timberline Lodge is where it was filmed. The exterior
Speaker 6: shots of The Shining was filmed in a Timberline Lodge
Speaker 6: in Oregon. The rest of it was shot in England
Speaker 6: on sets.
Speaker 2: I was vaguely familiar with the Lookout Mountain Hotel, but
Speaker 2: looking at you know, after all mentioned the documentary, looking
Speaker 2: at other pictures, I definitely definitely seemed like that was
Speaker 2: a very similar looking spot to what was the model
Speaker 2: there in the film in The Shining, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think so.
Speaker 6: And and Kubrick was a really big researcher. He had
Speaker 6: like an entire team behind him that would go around
Speaker 6: to these different hotels in these different spots everywhere in
Speaker 6: the United States that would do research for him and
Speaker 6: come to the you know, the perfect spot to actually
Speaker 6: film his movie. But Kubrick hadn't been back to the
Speaker 6: United States, I don't believe until he never came back
Speaker 6: after he made two thousand and one A Space Odyssey,
Speaker 6: So people should have known that he was not going
Speaker 6: to film his movie in the United States. But that
Speaker 6: might have been a contention also between him and Stephen King,
Speaker 6: because they might have been under the impression that he
Speaker 6: was going to film The Shining at the Stanley Hotel,
Speaker 6: but he didn't. He just sent a lot of his
Speaker 6: researchers there to figure out what he wanted to build
Speaker 6: the set to look like on the interior, and that's
Speaker 6: all that he was doing. So that might have been
Speaker 6: you know, what created this fiction, this friction between Stephen
Speaker 6: King and Stanley Kubrick was that they might have been
Speaker 6: under the impression that he was going to come to
Speaker 6: the United States and film The Shining at the Stanley Hotel.
Speaker 6: But you know, Stephen King got his wish and they
Speaker 6: filmed his mini series that was complete garbage at the
Speaker 6: Stanley Hotel. I've been there a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Place.
Speaker 6: It is a really nice place. So they got ploques
Speaker 6: on the walls of they got the acts that was
Speaker 6: actually used in the filming of The Shining. In like
Speaker 6: a case, they have like a modeled out room that
Speaker 6: looks like the room two thirty seven of the bathroom
Speaker 6: nice the shower curtain, and then they also have the
Speaker 6: model of the apartment. Jack and Wendy's apartment what it
Speaker 6: looked like as well. Then it leads into the two
Speaker 6: thirty seven model of the bathroom really.
Speaker 2: Played into the culture then there huh yeah.
Speaker 6: But they don't support like Stanley Kubrick's movie that They're
Speaker 6: like at the end of the tour, they were like, oh,
Speaker 6: there's a download code for the uh the Shiny Mini
Speaker 6: series by Stephen King. I was like, nobody wants to
Speaker 6: watch that, bro, But.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't take the tower there. I
Speaker 2: had daylight burning. And the one thing I noticed on
Speaker 2: the way driving there was there was some excellent fishing
Speaker 2: spots right off the roadway.
Speaker 6: It's a beautiful Estes Park is a beautiful area to
Speaker 6: It's a.
Speaker 2: It be literally play your car off and catch from
Speaker 2: trout right there in the Rocky in the rivers of
Speaker 2: the Rocky Mountains five feet walk from your car.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really beautiful up there. It's kind of like
Speaker 6: it's a small mountaintown. The downtown area is really beautiful.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't go up there in the winter, though, Like
Speaker 6: you're those mountains traveling up through there, dude, sure.
Speaker 2: That far like miles wise. But yeah, and some snowy weather,
Speaker 2: it could feel like forever. I bet those winding.
Speaker 6: Roads there are some winders up there. You gotta take
Speaker 6: that side wind or snow cat up and up in
Speaker 6: those mountains. Which then makes you think of like, how
Speaker 6: did they build this giant hotel up there? That had
Speaker 6: to take a lot of time to to build that hotel.
Speaker 6: And there's also tunnels sure underneath the hotel as well.
Speaker 2: Interesting at the Stanley Hotel, of.
Speaker 6: Course, is they could there's there's tunnels that lead to
Speaker 6: the uh because the staff back in the day would
Speaker 6: actually stay on location if they worked there. They would
Speaker 6: stay in like little cottages like right off the side
Speaker 6: of the If you've been there, you just see all
Speaker 6: those cottages and where like the maids and the people
Speaker 6: that worked there would stay. And they had like a
Speaker 6: tunnel system that would go from the house that they
Speaker 6: would stay out on the property into the hotel.
Speaker 2: What was that always a hotel?
Speaker 1: Was that?
Speaker 2: Was it a Stanley Steamer folks residents or that they
Speaker 2: just built that. The Stanley Steamer folks built that as
Speaker 2: a hotel.
Speaker 6: I believe they built it as a hotel, but I
Speaker 6: could be wrong. I don't really know my history that well.
Speaker 2: Because it is it is out there. I mean, you
Speaker 2: make a good point. Logistically speaking, that would not have
Speaker 2: been an easy thing to build, especially that time.
Speaker 6: It would be really rough. And apparently whenever Stephen King
Speaker 6: went to because that's where you got the inspiration to
Speaker 6: actually write the book, was at the Stanley Hotel and
Speaker 6: it was during like the off season, and a lot
Speaker 6: of the rooms were like, you know, closed down. There
Speaker 6: was very few people there. They had one bartender, and
Speaker 6: I believe that Lloyd the Bartender is actually based off
Speaker 6: of a real bartender that was bartending at the Stanley Hotel.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I thought you were all a
Speaker 2: hallucination explanation of Lloyd the Bartender was more of a
Speaker 2: greater context of that character because again relying on the
Speaker 2: paranormal aspects of thatcharacter. It's one of the things I
Speaker 2: guess I didn't like, you know, watching the Shining originally
Speaker 2: with some of the goat like this whole ghostly aspect
Speaker 2: of Lloyd the Bartender in the whole ballroom experience. But
Speaker 2: it seems like that the illucinogenic aspect that you all
Speaker 2: present seems to make more sense to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you have real life explanations of that. With
Speaker 6: Frank Olson. There's an entire Netflix documentary it's about you know,
Speaker 6: Frank Olson and what they did to him is spiking
Speaker 6: his drink with LSD and then he jumped off the
Speaker 6: you know, the out of the window of his hotel
Speaker 6: room and died. There's uh, you know, that's some of
Speaker 6: the things that happened to these army personnel as well,
Speaker 6: that they would be unknowingly dosed with LSD. They were
Speaker 6: told that they were going to be a part of
Speaker 6: these experiments. They would get LSD aerosol, they were told
Speaker 6: to in Helle LSD aerosol and then they would be
Speaker 6: you know, a lot of those people ended up ending
Speaker 6: their lives as well because they couldn't handle it.
Speaker 2: Was that Operation Midnight Climax Activities.
Speaker 6: That was one of them.
Speaker 5: This one was.
Speaker 2: I Can't l and the John's something All or Else, Something.
Speaker 6: Clall Problem, Clall Claw House or Ravens No Ravens. Craig
Speaker 6: was at in Canada with doctor Hugh and Cameron, which
Speaker 6: we also bring up in the documentary that created this
Speaker 6: psychic driving aspect to implant thoughts and ideas in the
Speaker 6: people's heads to make them do things that they otherwise
Speaker 6: normally wouldn't do after they had been traumatized. Which that's
Speaker 6: one factual. You can there's documentation of that, and several
Speaker 6: of the people that went through that actually sued the
Speaker 6: Canadian government for those experiments that you and Cameron was
Speaker 6: doing it Ravens, Craig and uh in Canada.
Speaker 2: But that was a great point you made there with
Speaker 2: with Cameron, and I didn't know I was going to
Speaker 2: ask you actually because immediately brought up to mind something
Speaker 2: about clockwork orange in camera and that he was intentionally
Speaker 2: putting some of these things into the clockwork gorngs for
Speaker 2: the Intelligence services. I know, I didn't know if that
Speaker 2: was something you all had to leave on the cutting
Speaker 2: room floor. Getting more into that subject behind the clockwork
Speaker 2: gorngs and the intelligence services aspect of apparently putting these
Speaker 2: things into the into the storyline. Apparently there was a
Speaker 2: there was a biographer I guess, that documented this about
Speaker 2: Anthony Burgess's life, where supposedly the intelligencies had insisted that
Speaker 2: he inserts these aspects into the story. Basically write a
Speaker 2: science fiction story based on these these details of these
Speaker 2: Doctor Ewan Cameron, my you know, mind control and chaultry
Speaker 2: experiments that you see in the clockwork gorngs, right, the
Speaker 2: horror and terror terror experiments where they they keep the
Speaker 2: old boy's eyes open, right.
Speaker 6: And they're putting the LSDI dropper into his eyes and
Speaker 6: then make him watch all these movies that control his
Speaker 6: personality and control his behavior. Yeah, there's been a lot
Speaker 6: of military and intelligence involvement with movies going back a
Speaker 6: really long time. We you know, talk about at the
Speaker 6: end of two thousand and one of Space Odyssey, Stanley
Speaker 6: Kubrick thinked all of these big intelligence agencies Air Force Intelligence, DARPA, Langley, Virginia,
Speaker 6: and then they were all cut out at the end of.
Speaker 1: The movie.
Speaker 6: And we also show documents that the intelligence community has
Speaker 6: been involved with movies going back to you know, through
Speaker 6: FOURIO requests, people have found that, you know, they were
Speaker 6: involved in the Transformers movies. And it's kind of a
Speaker 6: known thing now, but back in nineteen sixty eight, when
Speaker 6: two thousand and one A Space Odyssey came out, no
Speaker 6: one sure knew that that could even be a thing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely different time, right, propaganda wise, different time from what
Speaker 2: folks understood in the public for sure. Yeah, the uh yeah. Uh,
Speaker 2: but you know, so speaking of Cameron, I was actually
Speaker 2: just talking about Cameron last night on a on a
Speaker 2: just randomly on a show discussing the Process and Nexium
Speaker 2: and how I have this theory that the Albany chapter
Speaker 2: of the Process, which was confirmed by their own admission
Speaker 2: to never close, morphed into the Nexium cult. And there
Speaker 2: was a neurologist that was working for Nexium out of Albany,
Speaker 2: New York, same same town that doctor Cameron was out
Speaker 2: of for his uh you know, much of his career.
Speaker 2: That he was even running some of those experiments in
Speaker 2: Montreal where when he was commuting there from Albany, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, to and from multiple days at a time.
Speaker 2: But uh, this next time neurologist got lost his license
Speaker 2: for doing these exact same experiments, these horror and terror experiments,
Speaker 2: forcing subject's eyes open to watch these just membering of
Speaker 2: bodies and et cetera, et cetera, And he got he
Speaker 2: got busted by the state Medical Board for doing over
Speaker 2: to doing this to over two hundred subjects. So these
Speaker 2: experiments seem to be still going on today in the
Speaker 2: same cities, involving doctors that you know that may not
Speaker 2: have known you and camera but operating in the same
Speaker 2: locations as camera cameras operating with the same experiments. I
Speaker 2: just think that's as a fascinating thing that these things
Speaker 2: may still be going on.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 6: A lot of the a lot of the intelligence community
Speaker 6: was involved with these types of experiments, and Navy was
Speaker 6: involved with them. The intelligence had this experiment that was
Speaker 6: called the Ames Leaf Room where you would go in
Speaker 6: and you would be dosed with LSD and the walls
Speaker 6: would be like sort or covered in like leaves. It
Speaker 6: would look like a fall out there and then they
Speaker 6: would essentially go crazy inside of this room. They would
Speaker 6: put these goggles on them that would like change their vision,
Speaker 6: and then they would end up at the emergency room,
Speaker 6: like you know, basically in some form of psychosis, and
Speaker 6: the entire hospital wings have been opened up for these
Speaker 6: experiments in Washington, d C. During this time that the
Speaker 6: mk ulture programs were going on. They basically just leased
Speaker 6: a lot of these experiments to private contractors and like
Speaker 6: government contractors almost exactly like what they do to this
Speaker 6: very day with any kind of advanced technology that they
Speaker 6: don't actually really want to be working with. They just
Speaker 6: sublease out that contract to a government contractor, because the
Speaker 6: government contractor is not under any kind of you can't
Speaker 6: foller requests the government contractor like Raytheon, like these Bigelow
Speaker 6: Aerospace and SRI International, like they're under no responsibility to
Speaker 6: provide any kind of documentation to anything that they do.
Speaker 6: So that's right, yep. So when you come knocking on
Speaker 6: the government store for a four yer request, they can
Speaker 6: deny that any of those anything ever happened because they
Speaker 6: technically didn't on their end, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well's speaking of Locale Mountain Labs and Wonderland Air
Speaker 2: Force Base. There's the same location but different names the
Speaker 2: same location.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this was originally Like when I
Speaker 2: was watching your your movie and you all showed the
Speaker 2: hotel and I was looking through the hotel pictures and
Speaker 2: I was like, well, and you just triggered. You're comment
Speaker 2: there in the Navy trigger you know, in their activities,
Speaker 2: not just you know, CIA or Air Force or whatnot.
Speaker 2: Navy is also involved in these things that triggered two
Speaker 2: thoughts here. So now Jared Leto owns that that facility,
Speaker 2: right he But between in between it being Jared Leto's
Speaker 2: home and the Wonderland Air Force Base. It was one
Speaker 2: of these kind of reprogramming facilities, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's kind of under contention a little bit. And
Speaker 6: I mean we do know that the Lookout Air Mountain
Speaker 6: Air Force Base was you know, used for making hundreds
Speaker 6: and hundreds of films. I mean, you can just google Lookout,
Speaker 6: Moulin Air Force Base and on Laurel Canyon you can
Speaker 6: see that there's thousands of moves and films that were
Speaker 6: made Lookout that are still classified to this very day.
Speaker 6: But high some of these actors had high ranking, top
Speaker 6: security clearance for the place. There was there was a
Speaker 6: fallout shelter there. Marilyn Monroe had top secret security clearance,
Speaker 6: James Stewart carry Grant, Ronald Reagan had top secret security
Speaker 6: clearance for the place. And no one knows, but yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure, I think Sinatra. Yeah, and no one
Speaker 6: really knows exactly what was going on, like because all
Speaker 6: the footage is still classified. Uh now, and we know
Speaker 6: for a fact that that's where a lot of these
Speaker 6: atomic bomb tasts took place there. They you know that
Speaker 6: it was done on all models. It wasn't actual footage
Speaker 6: of atomic bombs like it was done on modeled sets,
Speaker 6: and that's a really big shocker to people that aren't
Speaker 6: aware of that, uh sure to begin with, and who
Speaker 6: knows exactly what went on up there by it? I
Speaker 6: would have to Someone said the other day that Jared
Speaker 6: Leto doesn't own Lookout Mountain anymore. But I don't know
Speaker 6: if he was just a trollers, you know.
Speaker 2: I actually had someone mentioned that to me recently when
Speaker 2: I mentioned him only two and I did look it up,
Speaker 2: and from my record, this is probably three months ago
Speaker 2: when that occurred. When I looked at it, then it
Speaker 2: looked like he was still he still owned it. But
Speaker 2: this and this is Jared Leedo here in this picture
Speaker 2: inside one of the rooms there on the on the property.
Speaker 2: This room I think was actually maintained from the original
Speaker 2: hotel through the Air Force base on to the Letto ownership.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think that's interesting that they maintained
Speaker 2: some of this, some of the space like that it
Speaker 2: kind of had that kind of reminded me of something
Speaker 2: you'd see out of the shining, out of the shining
Speaker 2: in the Overlook Hotel. Just this room in general and
Speaker 2: kind of the decor. But interestingly enough, this fella here
Speaker 2: on the couch, Letto in the blue shirt. This fellow
Speaker 2: here in the couch talking to him is gil Garcetti.
Speaker 2: It then he was at the time he was there.
Speaker 2: Now he's currently the US Ambassador to India. But when
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Navy being involved in these activities, well
Speaker 2: there's naval officer gil Garsabi, so activities there.
Speaker 6: It still looks like he's still owns it. I don't
Speaker 6: know what those people were talking about.
Speaker 2: Sure, Troll, you know when you got you got this
Speaker 2: kind of naval officer hanging out there right now? I
Speaker 2: agree with you writter, that's pretty yah. There seems to
Speaker 2: be a cover up of people not wanting to know
Speaker 2: the Letto still owns this. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: the Jesus cult business a Letto engages himself in. But
Speaker 2: he's an interesting character because he sits at that epicenter
Speaker 2: of rock and roll star and a list actor, right,
Speaker 2: that's not a very Those are qualifications a lot of
Speaker 2: folks don't have on their scorecards, so to speak.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's uh. I think he won an oscar?
Speaker 6: Didn't he win an Oscar for Dollas Buyers Club with
Speaker 6: Matthew McConaughey as a supporting actor for sure.
Speaker 2: And uh, I just think it's weird that when you
Speaker 2: mentioned that the Navy intels stuff, like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: you got a naval officer here was just hanging out
Speaker 2: up there at doing got you know, maybe he's doing
Speaker 2: mayor stuff. Who knows, maybe he's doing Navy intail stuff.
Speaker 2: God knows what they're up to.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and the Navy being a part of a
Speaker 6: lot of this stuff. Like Jim Morrison's dad was a
Speaker 6: Navy intelligence officer, was responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin
Speaker 6: false flag incident that led to the Vietnam War that
Speaker 6: killed thousands of people. Bob Marley's father was a British
Speaker 6: naval commander. Sharon Tates was a then of course you got.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sharon Tates. Seat's a good when he was
Speaker 2: a lieutenant colonel, right, yeah, y Army intel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's his name? Lived up in Laurel Canyon. I'm
Speaker 6: blinking on his name right now. But all these people,
Speaker 6: they they have military connections, Like all the that came
Speaker 6: up out of this Laurel Canyon scene all had family
Speaker 6: members or fathers that were somehow high ranking military officers
Speaker 6: and when you look at that and then they're like,
Speaker 6: oh crap. This is the reason why a lot of
Speaker 6: these people they were just able to go wild and
Speaker 6: do whatever they wanted because they knew that they weren't
Speaker 6: going to get into any real trouble. They was just
Speaker 6: going to be immediately let out because their dad was
Speaker 6: these high ranking military officers.
Speaker 2: It's funny. It's funny you mentioned that because you got
Speaker 2: you guys like the epicenter of all those those called
Speaker 2: Frank Zappa.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's Frank Zappa. Sorry, you got so much stuff
Speaker 6: in my head that I need to remember, but Frank Zappa. Yeah,
Speaker 6: as well, that's why I was.
Speaker 2: Not I think, yes, that was a good one. But
Speaker 2: Papa John Phillips his father a career Marine Corps officer.
Speaker 2: He himself attended the Naval Academy. He's not an easy
Speaker 2: place to get into before he dropped out and became
Speaker 2: a you know, the Laurel Canyan rock superstar. But according
Speaker 2: to the i n S.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: He was a nine S report. He was financing the
Speaker 2: activities of the Processed Church there in Serra nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: There in Los Angeles, believe sixty eight in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: So he's even connected to these things. And speaking of
Speaker 2: folks who get in trouble and don't get in trouble,
Speaker 2: he got busted for cocaine trafficking in nineteen eighty served
Speaker 2: two weeks at a minimum security prison in Pennsylvania for
Speaker 2: cocaine trafficking at the height of the cocaine epidemic, right
Speaker 2: like the crack epidemic situation. It's for fosters to think
Speaker 2: somebody would walk during that time. But sure enough, these
Speaker 2: people that do have these family connections and in this
Speaker 2: scene they seem to walk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, then you have like you know, of course, connections
Speaker 6: with the Jolly West as well and all the activities
Speaker 6: the Jolly West was into two he was actually Jolly
Speaker 6: West was actually involved with this, uh, this project called
Speaker 6: the I think it was called the Violence Project. You
Speaker 6: guts familiar with this where Jolly West was essentially would
Speaker 6: take people when they when they get out of prison
Speaker 6: and put electrodes in their brain too and like essentially
Speaker 6: can't capacitate them if they go into an area where
Speaker 6: they're not supposed to go and the police would come
Speaker 6: and pick them up.
Speaker 2: The it was called not know about that, but it
Speaker 2: sounds like a shot like almost like a shot color
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what it was. It was. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 6: it was like you see uc LA violence project, and
Speaker 6: the project was approved by Ronald Reagan, but then they
Speaker 6: kind of shut it down before it got up off
Speaker 6: of the ground. And you know, Jolly West is also
Speaker 6: known to have spiked people's drinks with LSD wh it
Speaker 6: was involved with the Kennedy assassination. Like, it's just wild,
Speaker 6: like all the different connections to like all these people,
Speaker 6: like the robbit hole goes so freaking deep, dude, like, and.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: What were they what was their main goal of doing
Speaker 6: all this stuff back in the day. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: like desensitization, normalization. It's like exactly what jury buzman Off
Speaker 6: was talking about, which we have a clip in our
Speaker 6: documentary of yourrbuzmanof talking about it. Whenever you know, Kathy
Speaker 6: O'Brien talks about the MK ultra being put into the
Speaker 6: into the school system to subvert the entire country and
Speaker 6: subvert the ideology of you know, the people that are
Speaker 6: now in the school system because when they grow up
Speaker 6: twenty years later, they're going to be into the positions
Speaker 6: of power. And if we can control their minds and
Speaker 6: control their thoughts and their ideas, now we'll be able
Speaker 6: to infiltrate and basically do whatever we want later on,
Speaker 6: because we've already put this Mark cist Leninism ideology into
Speaker 6: all these people's heads in the school system in the eighties.
Speaker 6: So when these eighties kids grow up, they're going to
Speaker 6: be the ones that are running the country and will
Speaker 6: effectively have been able to control them.
Speaker 2: Se he's pretty successful, absolutely, I think so.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you go back and listen to the
Speaker 6: jury Buzmanoff discussions, like they're literally spot on to exactly
Speaker 6: what's happening right now.
Speaker 2: For sure, Yeah, is that too fair?
Speaker 6: And I think people they they'll listen to that and
Speaker 6: they'll kind of be like, oh, well, you know this
Speaker 6: is this sounds like exactly what's happening. But there's a
Speaker 6: deeper meaning, and there's a deeper layer of how it
Speaker 6: actually works and the things in the techniques and the
Speaker 6: psyche driving and the traumatization that you know, they can
Speaker 6: put people through to in order to influence their behavior
Speaker 6: surrounding any event. You know, and when you look back
Speaker 6: through the United States and all these events that have happened.
Speaker 6: You see them as collective traumatizations, and then restrictions get
Speaker 6: tighter after those collective traumatizations. I mean, we're still living
Speaker 6: out the exact same kind of processes that happened after
Speaker 6: nine to eleven in the Patriot Act. That stuff never
Speaker 6: went away. We still got to take our shoes off
Speaker 6: whenever we go before we go on a plan, and
Speaker 6: we still got to go through a freaking metal detector,
Speaker 6: so I got to get our body scanned by these
Speaker 6: freaking X ray machines. So and those never went away,
Speaker 6: still there.
Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, I mean it's, uh, that's kind of the
Speaker 2: case always with security, you know, elements into these kind
Speaker 2: of uh, these communist ideals, right, it's it's never an
Speaker 2: extension of liberty ever involved in these communist ideals. And
Speaker 2: I think we all identified a lot with the the
Speaker 2: epicenter of the the in your film, with the epicenter
Speaker 2: of the intelligence and you know, again with like folks
Speaker 2: like sir, on the epicenter of intelligence cults, you know,
Speaker 2: this mind control aspects to further these communist ideals that
Speaker 2: you know, because it's it's these cults that profess these
Speaker 2: communist ideals again, Sir Han was documented to be attendance
Speaker 2: of numerous processed church sex magic rituals. Believe as how
Speaker 2: it was phrased in the I and S document was yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: according to the unasked investigation there at the time he
Speaker 2: was he was allegedly involved and the process was spotted
Speaker 2: outside the Ambassador Hotel. They're they're that night there when
Speaker 2: Kendy was shot, and not the only connection. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of other connections there within the process to that
Speaker 2: immediate scene. I'm just saying like there was members with
Speaker 2: the German Shepherds and the robe spotted there, So it's
Speaker 2: not it's not a great influence even assumed that they
Speaker 2: might have been there, because they were in fact seen there,
Speaker 2: so by numerous you know, at least that's the story
Speaker 2: by numerous witnesses of the scene.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: It's so interesting how the Sirhan the ballistic evidence for
Speaker 6: the San Saran assassination of RFK is missing from the
Speaker 6: National archives, just like how the ballistic evidence from the
Speaker 6: JFK assassination is also missing from the National archives.
Speaker 2: That was a great point there was we included Walton
Speaker 2: was a Walter Bosley. He uh had some good points
Speaker 2: there on the Sirhan stuff that is DeFi IO. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the reason why some of
Speaker 2: that stuff is still under wraps of this intelligence control,
Speaker 2: the political stranglehold on folks. For example, the guy that
Speaker 2: picked up Kennedy's Robert Kennedy's body from the floor, and
Speaker 2: the ambassador who was there with him a congressman out
Speaker 2: of New York because at the time he was a
Speaker 2: center from New York. Right, the RFK was congressman out
Speaker 2: of there in New York. Al Lowenstein was with him
Speaker 2: on that trip. He was holding them picking up his
Speaker 2: body there from the from the floor. Lohenstein's sons deep
Speaker 2: up in the Clinton State Department. So these people are
Speaker 2: still in control today as far as politically speaking and
Speaker 2: intelligence speaking. As far as folks related to these scenes,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Al Lowenstein had anything to do with
Speaker 2: rfk's death, although he did die a suspicious death himself,
Speaker 2: you know, not all that long afterwards.
Speaker 6: So, and RFK was running against LBJ, which, after the
Speaker 6: supposed assassination of JFK, LBJ famously wanted nothing to do
Speaker 6: with the Kennedy family, right, And then RFK designed to
Speaker 6: run and he was going to win. It was gonna win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what the celebration was. Right at the
Speaker 2: Ambassador Hotel. War On allegedly shot him, even though, like
Speaker 2: you said, the the forensics evidence paints a different narrative,
Speaker 2: pretty clear different narrative. But yeah, he he was celebrating
Speaker 2: them winning the California primary, which solidified his, uh, his
Speaker 2: nomination for the sixty eight election.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 2: And y'all mentioned Son of Sam as well, now that
Speaker 2: I think about, y'all mentioned Son of Sam there in
Speaker 2: your in your film in some of these mind control
Speaker 2: SIP assassin type situations, especially relative to the notions of
Speaker 2: LSD and whatnot. That's correct. Beatles were definitely part of
Speaker 2: the process, the uh, which I thought was interesting because
Speaker 2: a character perpetrating the syop narrative of the son of Sam.
Speaker 2: So I think that's what the publications were, at least
Speaker 2: in the newspapers was a sy op and in of
Speaker 2: itself part of the operation. But that fellow was another then, uh,
Speaker 2: Chuck New York Post New York Daily News reporter. I
Speaker 2: can't think of his name right now, but he was
Speaker 2: on the scene there as well. In the Ambassador Hotel
Speaker 2: with r f K reporting on that event.
Speaker 6: As the story goes, Yeah, then you James Jesus Angleton,
Speaker 6: you know, broke into Mary pinchow Meyer's house and like
Speaker 6: stole or diary which Mary pinchow Meyer was a mistress
Speaker 6: of JFK. And there's a there's a lot of strange
Speaker 6: connections with James Jesus Jesus Angleton. I there was a
Speaker 6: part of the documentary that kind of had to be cut,
Speaker 6: so you're getting a fresh, something new here. James Jesus
Speaker 6: Angleton was Walter Bosley's mentor's mentor, and our documentary JFK
Speaker 6: X talks about Mary pinchow Meyer and James Jesus Singleton
Speaker 6: was involved with that. And after Mary pinchroll Meyer was
Speaker 6: killed on the DC Towpath, she was supposedly shot to death.
Speaker 6: Right after that, James Jesus Singleton broke into Mary pinchow
Speaker 6: Myer's house or her apartment and stole her diary and
Speaker 6: like pretty much raided her entire house, which is very
Speaker 6: similar to what happened to Stanley Kubrick after he died.
Speaker 6: There were men that showed up to Stanley Kubrick's house
Speaker 6: that were basically raiding his house and taking things out.
Speaker 2: Well, do you think that the Mary Pinchow Myerst was
Speaker 2: connected to the LSD type experiments because she was close with.
Speaker 6: Supposedly him and her and JFK were you were tripping
Speaker 6: in LSD at the White House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well she was tight with Learry, So that
Speaker 2: kind of makes something. It almost makes sense.
Speaker 6: That might have been the calls for you know, JFK
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's what's been your eyes is that is
Speaker 6: kind of what gave JFK like a change of heart there.
Speaker 6: And he started, you know, not wanting to be involved
Speaker 6: in these wars and not wanting to send funding to
Speaker 6: all these other countries and you know, prop up these wars,
Speaker 6: not wanting to support the Vietnam War and id you
Speaker 6: know the bayf pigs incident in Qubro. JFK famously pulled
Speaker 6: out that whole thing, which then in turn, you know,
Speaker 6: pissed off the CIA.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then what Kathy O'Brien says in your movie that
Speaker 2: that there's too much focus on the use of LSD
Speaker 2: because LSD they found out in the in these mk
Speaker 2: ulture style monitor program style operations, they found out LSD
Speaker 2: was opening up neuro pathways instead of closing them when
Speaker 2: they wanted to close neuro pathways in order to induce
Speaker 2: the trauma.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there were several drugs that were used within the
Speaker 6: mk ulture programs. We actually show a list of them
Speaker 6: all in our documentary, and there's sure I think over
Speaker 6: a hundred of them, everything from freaking nicotine to caffeine
Speaker 6: to show to antipsychotics, antidepressants, adderall rittilin math like any stimulant,
Speaker 6: any downer. And I think that LSD could be used
Speaker 6: in a really intense way, just like I was mentioning
Speaker 6: the army personnel earlier. It was a drug called BEZ
Speaker 6: which was one hundred times more powerful than LSD. And
Speaker 6: when that's applied and it opens up those neuron pathways,
Speaker 6: then you can infect effectively implant things that may or
Speaker 6: may not be real into the subconscious of the patient
Speaker 6: more easily because the mind is completely opened, you know,
Speaker 6: the doorway is open. So therefore you can put whatever
Speaker 6: you want inside of the heads of those people. And
Speaker 6: that's what you and Cameron was essentially doing in Canada,
Speaker 6: was he was traumatizing the patients. He was then drugging
Speaker 6: them and then he was putting in a looped repeated
Speaker 6: audio message to implant this thought and this idea into
Speaker 6: their head. And really nobody knows exactly what was on
Speaker 6: those looped audio recorded messages, but it could it could
Speaker 6: literally be anything. But what would be the more advanced
Speaker 6: version of doing that? You can do it with a
Speaker 6: looped audio message, Well can you do it with a TV?
Speaker 6: Can you wheel or freaking TV in there and do
Speaker 6: the same thing and also give them audio and visual?
Speaker 6: Then what's the next step after that? The next step
Speaker 6: after that would be virtual reality headset goggles. So you
Speaker 6: traumatize the patient, you drug them, and then you put
Speaker 6: these goggles over their head that artificially simulates an entire
Speaker 6: reality and the person is not going to know if
Speaker 6: this is real or this is fake.
Speaker 2: Sure makes sense to me, the immersive experience of the
Speaker 2: VR goggles.
Speaker 6: Sure, I mean some people think that the VR goggles
Speaker 6: are real. They don't even need to be drugged, you know.
Speaker 6: So imagine if you're on some sort of hallucinogenic drug
Speaker 6: and you pull on these fing goggles.
Speaker 2: Sure, No, that's a good that's a good point. And
Speaker 2: I think the designer drug aspect of Kathy O'Brien's statements
Speaker 2: I thought were most. I took note of that most
Speaker 2: because I do think it's designer drug and I think
Speaker 2: things like GHB, you know, the stuff that Diddy allegedly
Speaker 2: was putting in all those those bottles of baby oil.
Speaker 2: I think stuff like GHB has been developed for these
Speaker 2: purposes of of some mind you know, my control, you know,
Speaker 2: and planting of ideas to the hypnotic state that folks
Speaker 2: are under, you know, with that drug.
Speaker 6: Yeah, GHB was used, like and Sydney galliep had a
Speaker 6: brother that was a plant biologist, so it it stands
Speaker 6: the reason that his brother was more than likely responsible
Speaker 6: for a lot of the manufacturing of these CIA designer drugs.
Speaker 6: Like Kathy was talking about in the movie, like, let's
Speaker 6: just try and whip up whatever we can to see
Speaker 6: what kind of effects that these are going to have
Speaker 6: on these uh, these these victims. You know, Like that's
Speaker 6: where a lot of these drugs actually came from to
Speaker 6: begin with, before they were you know, given to the public.
Speaker 6: They came from these experiments.
Speaker 5: By the c I A.
Speaker 2: Yeah, LST was an accident, right.
Speaker 6: There's so much stuff to I mean, the one of
Speaker 6: the first dish.
Speaker 2: Was aiming to do something else though, right Like, he
Speaker 2: was aiming to do one thing and kind of messed
Speaker 2: it up. I guess is the story storyline because he
Speaker 2: was he he was riding his home home on his
Speaker 2: bike before he realized maybe you have some more some
Speaker 2: more details in that rider.
Speaker 6: Well, there's a lot of different theories of exactly where
Speaker 6: the LSD stuff came from. Some people say that he
Speaker 6: came from like southern California and like Laguna Beach area.
Speaker 6: Others say that he came from overseas or you know,
Speaker 6: some idea like that. But the first manufacturer of LSD
Speaker 6: in the un of States, which was basically signed by
Speaker 6: the c i A and by the government to distribute
Speaker 6: these the distribute LSD, which was Eli Lilly and Company.
Speaker 6: They also were the first manufacturers of prozac as well, so.
Speaker 2: They beat so they beat out laboratories with the LSD.
Speaker 2: Was the Eli Lilly.
Speaker 6: Yes, from from my understanding and from my research, uh,
Speaker 6: they they were the first manufacturers of LSD. Well, the
Speaker 6: first people that had a contract the government to manufacture
Speaker 6: LSD for the government. They might they may not have
Speaker 6: been the first manufacturer of it ever, but they were
Speaker 6: the first that had a government contract to manufacture for them.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. There was a comment about Albert hoff
Speaker 2: and that was the guy I was thinking of there
Speaker 2: that you know, as the story, as the legend goes,
Speaker 2: the accidentally sent the sized LSD and believe is how
Speaker 2: the tale goes.
Speaker 6: And where was that was? It was that in California
Speaker 6: or Hoffman?
Speaker 2: I think I thought it was maybe a British fella.
Speaker 2: Could be wrong. Yeah, he was always he was Swiss,
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He's allegedly the first to synthesize it,
Speaker 2: whatever that means, That's what I'm saying. So like even
Speaker 2: even the original founder of last like, this is not
Speaker 2: a natural element. This is a designer drug. It seems
Speaker 2: like it's always seemed like that to me. Where they
Speaker 2: the way they phrase that specifically, the synthesization of synthesizing
Speaker 2: the drug.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes sense. And you know, with them tinkering
Speaker 6: with all these drugs and like all these uh freaking
Speaker 6: lickxers and stuff. I mean for sure they're using mixtures
Speaker 6: of psilocybin and LSD and they're trying to make the
Speaker 6: LSD even stronger. They're trying to make it psilocybin even
Speaker 6: stronger and uh, right, using a concoction. They're throwing a
Speaker 6: concoction together and see, you know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Uh, there's a really good even stronger now today.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: They've even engineered pot to a degree that it's kind
Speaker 2: of crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: Is there anything else that you wanted to touch on,
Speaker 5: like some of the things that are on your documentary
Speaker 5: that you haven't mentioned yet.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, there's well, there's several things that we can
Speaker 6: really get into. They I mean, I have a whole
Speaker 6: slide thing here of of all the contuity ours. I
Speaker 6: don't know if I want to show it or not.
Speaker 6: People have been complaining that I just keep showing the
Speaker 6: same thing over and over again, so they may not
Speaker 6: have seen it.
Speaker 2: Can't make everybody happy, right, everyone's gonna complain about something.
Speaker 6: I feel like, yeah, okay, well we can run through
Speaker 6: it really quickly just to give people an idea of
Speaker 6: exactly what's going on.
Speaker 5: Let me trailer too. We never put up Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: let's watch, let's just drop the trailer all right.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Behind me with the headquarters for the World War two
Speaker 2: Office of Strategic Service.
Speaker 3: It was here that the first halting steps toward mind
Speaker 3: control began.
Speaker 8: The ten years before Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he
Speaker 8: made another film. There's a film about Mike and Cool
Speaker 8: all the clockwork going.
Speaker 6: The Shining is one movie that has really been put
Speaker 6: through the ringer and one thing that people really don't notice,
Speaker 6: that doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Speaker 8: All during the shoot, Kubrick is rewriting the movie.
Speaker 6: What we see here is Stanley Kubrick trying to encode
Speaker 6: a secret meaning into The Shining that he doesn't want
Speaker 6: anyone to know about that.
Speaker 8: Kubrick has several references to freemasonry and films.
Speaker 6: There's a lady that walks past that has a bloody
Speaker 6: handprint on her ass.
Speaker 8: The Shining is Kubrick's eleventh film, and there's elevens all
Speaker 8: through the film. Eleven is a special number in occult theology.
Speaker 6: The Shining has been regarded as one of the greatest
Speaker 6: horror films ever made, but is it really a horror film.
Speaker 8: The Shining also is low to a sexual and you
Speaker 8: end up the.
Speaker 6: Family is isolated up at the overlook, which is a
Speaker 6: perfect opportunity for some sort of CIA experimentation to go
Speaker 6: down up.
Speaker 9: There using mk ultra methods, psycheatrically controlled assassin literally assassins.
Speaker 9: Experimental drugs, including LSD were administered to human guinea pigs.
Speaker 7: The patients were never told that their treatment was part
Speaker 7: of a CIA experiment.
Speaker 10: And there was this story which involves him spiking the
Speaker 10: drinks of one of his deputies, this guy Frank Olsen,
Speaker 10: and he jumped out of a window to his death.
Speaker 7: It's a demonic possession, you know. So it makes someone
Speaker 7: feel like they don't have any control over this etherical
Speaker 7: entity outside themselves, when really it's the people who are
Speaker 7: imposing the trauma that need to be held accountable for
Speaker 7: the actions.
Speaker 9: We know what happened in the apartment that they had.
Speaker 6: There are many clues that point to the fact that
Speaker 6: this theory of what the Shining is really about is
Speaker 6: the correct theory.
Speaker 8: We think that we're watching a horror movie where ghosts
Speaker 8: are kind of forcing a man to go off and
Speaker 8: kill his family.
Speaker 4: What are we really watching here, Wendy, I'm home.
Speaker 6: Boom baby, nice man.
Speaker 2: The gripping trailer for the audio there at the end.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: We can go through these, uh these slides real quickly.
Speaker 6: I'll just kind of jump through them real quick. Uh,
Speaker 6: let's see here, so uh within the trailer, we already
Speaker 6: already showed you this in the trailer. Whenever Jack stands
Speaker 6: up in the ballroom for the Gold Room the second time,
Speaker 6: there's a lady that walks past, it looks like she
Speaker 6: has a handprint on her ass. She's actually the one
Speaker 6: that bumps into Grady here that's carrying the tray which
Speaker 6: then spills the alcohol on Jack, which looks very identical too.
Speaker 6: Later on with Tom Hanks in the movie Castaway, the
Speaker 6: same type of handprint is on the ball pretty much
Speaker 6: like Yeah, well, good old Wilson and Castaway and Tom
Speaker 6: Hanks you can get in all the freaking Tom Hanks stuff.
Speaker 6: And sure, but there's light switches that disappear within the Shining.
Speaker 6: Whenever Hollerin is giving a tour to Windy and Danny
Speaker 6: throughout the Shining, there's a Then whenever Windy is dragging
Speaker 6: Jack's body back into the storage room, there's a light
Speaker 6: switch that is not there. It disappears, And then we
Speaker 6: have ones that are appearing whenever Jack is going into
Speaker 6: the office of Allman. There's not a light switch underneath
Speaker 6: the picture there, but later whenever he's going back in
Speaker 6: to destroy the radio to prevent Wendy and Danny from
Speaker 6: leaving their their peers a light switch, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: This one is.
Speaker 6: Whenever we see the first establishing shot of the hotel,
Speaker 6: there is to not be a maaze in the background,
Speaker 6: but later on we obviously do know that there's a maaze,
Speaker 6: and people said, well, that's because there's not amaze at
Speaker 6: Timberline Lodge and the sterial shots were shot at Timberline Lodge,
Speaker 6: which they are correct. There's also not a maze at
Speaker 6: the Stanley Hotel as well, though they have put in
Speaker 6: a maze later on that's actually in the front of
Speaker 6: the hotel, but it's still a connuity air because that's
Speaker 6: what a connuity era is is things that are that
Speaker 6: does not tell a congruent story where things change and
Speaker 6: mess up. So cubric should have superimposed a freaking maze
Speaker 6: and behind the hotel here.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's I was gonna say. He could use the miniature, right,
Speaker 2: he used miniatures in this films.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you get a superimposed amaze back there, but he didn't.
Speaker 6: H This one's interesting because the tie this is one
Speaker 6: people have pointed out a lot before. It's not even
Speaker 6: in our movie, but I think that's really interesting as
Speaker 6: tie looks like the overhead shot of the maze, which
Speaker 6: is kind of foreshadowing for Jack. This is one that
Speaker 6: people have pointed out a lot throughout the movie. The
Speaker 6: sticker disappears on Danny's door. It's Adope, the dwarf from
Speaker 6: the Seven Dwarfs, and then whenever the doctor comes to
Speaker 6: visit Danny, the sticker is then disappearing on this this
Speaker 6: second quarter panel of this image down here. This one's
Speaker 6: a dialogue era between Wendy and Jack. Wendy tells the
Speaker 6: doctor that five that five months ago is when Jack
Speaker 6: injured Danny's arm, and that was whenever Danny starts, you know,
Speaker 6: talking with Tony, which Tony is the entity that's supposedly
Speaker 6: in Danny's throat that he talks to through his his finger,
Speaker 6: and Jack has been sober now for five months. Later on,
Speaker 6: Jack tells Lloyd the bartender that the event happened three
Speaker 6: years ago. This one's interesting. This is cool laid on
Speaker 6: top of the fridge in their apartment, which cool a
Speaker 6: also shows up later on, beside the tang which could
Speaker 6: be in relation to the Jim Jones incident that happened
Speaker 6: during the film of The Shining just two years prior
Speaker 6: to The Shining's release was when the Jim Jones incident happened,
Speaker 6: and you can connect the freaking mk ultra stuff directly
Speaker 6: to Jim Jones. This is a clear plastic tarp in
Speaker 6: the background of the set. When Danny's driving his tricycle
Speaker 6: through the hotel, there's a clear plastic sut tarp in
Speaker 6: the background. This one is one that people have pointed
Speaker 6: out several times, which is the chair disappearing behind Jack,
Speaker 6: and one shot of Jack, there's a chair and a
Speaker 6: coffee table that's right behind him. It cuts to Windy,
Speaker 6: cuts back to Jack, the chair and coffee table is gone,
Speaker 6: and then it cuts to Windy again and then back
Speaker 6: to Jack. This is all in the same scene. Then
Speaker 6: the chair and coffee table then reappears. This is one
Speaker 6: of the only reappearing connuity ars through the entire movie.
Speaker 6: This one's interesting because this is when Stuart Allman is
Speaker 6: talking to Jack and Jack mistakenly says that five months
Speaker 6: of piece is just what I when, just what I need,
Speaker 6: when really it would be seven months of peace that
Speaker 6: Jack would need that that's the amount of time that
Speaker 6: they're going to be up at the hotel, because the
Speaker 6: hotel is closed for five months out of the year
Speaker 6: and open for seven I mean open for five months
Speaker 6: out of the year and closed for seven So Jack
Speaker 6: would really be up there and his family would really
Speaker 6: be up there for seven months, but he says five months.
Speaker 6: This one is a sexual wining window with Jack and Almen.
Speaker 6: Whenever Jack first comes to meet Almond and do his
Speaker 6: interview for the job, there's a paper tray on the desk.
Speaker 6: Jay Winners pointed this out several times that the paper
Speaker 6: trey on the desk appears that it is giving Almond
Speaker 6: a heart on. Another one is the teddy bear that
Speaker 6: I was mentioning earlier in the background here, which the
Speaker 6: fire truck ladder is sticking up, giving the appearance that
Speaker 6: the teddy bear has a heart on. This is the
Speaker 6: baseball bat that I was also mentioning earlier, with the
Speaker 6: curtain in the background. When the doctor comes to visit Windy,
Speaker 6: there's a cartoon character up here holding a baseball bat.
Speaker 6: And then later when Jack is going to look at
Speaker 6: the model of the maze, there's a baseball bat right
Speaker 6: there on the couch downstairs in the lobby, and then
Speaker 6: later on when he picks up the baseball bat that's
Speaker 6: next to the teddy bear with the fire truck sticking
Speaker 6: up the fire truck ladder sticking up, but given the
Speaker 6: appearance that the teddy Bear has a heart on, that's
Speaker 6: where she picks up the baseball bat to later strike
Speaker 6: Jack in the head with. This one's interesting. This one
Speaker 6: is one that whenever Danny first sees Room two thirty seven,
Speaker 6: there's a door that's closed to the right of him,
Speaker 6: where this arrow is pointing in this top right hand panel.
Speaker 6: Then it cuts the Room two thirty seven. You see
Speaker 6: the door and then back to Danny as he's on
Speaker 6: his tricycle, and the door is then opened. This one
Speaker 6: is one that people have pointed out several times, which
Speaker 6: is the carpet changing patterns when Danny stands up in
Speaker 6: the hallway. It starts out as an open facing hexagonal
Speaker 6: carpet pattern, and then it changes to a closed facing
Speaker 6: hexagonal carpet pattern, which people have said that Danny just
Speaker 6: switched the cubrick turned him around on the carpet, which
Speaker 6: is probably true, but is still a connuity. Or everything
Speaker 6: is set up exact same way that that it was.
Speaker 6: All the cars are the exact same setting, the exact
Speaker 6: same position, but the carpet he just turned Danny around
Speaker 6: in the shot or moved him over one h one
Speaker 6: hexagonal carpet pattern over to create the the the clothes
Speaker 6: facing hexagonal carpet pattern. This one's a foreshadowing by Q
Speaker 6: break that I was mentioning earlier, where Danny's leaying down
Speaker 6: a teddy Bear. Then you also have the teddy bear
Speaker 6: with the that we just showed of with the fire
Speaker 6: truck ladder sticking up. And then you have the teddy
Speaker 6: bear with the gentleman is dressed up in a Teddy
Speaker 6: Bear costume, uh supposedly performing oral sex on this gentleman
Speaker 6: on a bed. This is the tang that the astronauts
Speaker 6: have said to have used in the Polo program. That
Speaker 6: was like the big Astronaut drink was tang was right
Speaker 6: beside the kool aid. Here you also have the uh,
Speaker 6: the native American symbolism back here, the Paul eleven, which
Speaker 6: was the what Jay Wider his first two films with
Speaker 6: Kubric's Odyssey one and two basically talk about the shining
Speaker 6: being the confession of Stanley Kubrick from faking the moon landing.
Speaker 6: Danny stands up in the Apollo eleven shirt. The carpet
Speaker 6: on the floor looks like the Apollo eleven launch pad
Speaker 6: that get He goes in the room two thirty seven.
Speaker 6: During that time, people thought that room two thirty seven
Speaker 6: was how far the moon was away from Earth. This
Speaker 6: is the Shining Toy story reference well and Toy story.
Speaker 6: The carpet is the same as the Shining carpet. Even
Speaker 6: the paper is the Shining carpet. There's also a shining
Speaker 6: scene in What's that movie by? It was basically about
Speaker 6: the AI. The AI wrote where they're playing a game.
Speaker 6: It was directed by Steven Spielberg. Ready Player one there's
Speaker 6: a whole shining scene and Ready Player one as well. Uh,
Speaker 6: don't have a slide for that. But and then the
Speaker 6: TV is not seen to be plugged into anything, which
Speaker 6: could be Stephen King symbolically, you know, telling people that
Speaker 6: the moon landing was indeed faked, because if it was fake,
Speaker 6: then that would mean that it was pre recorded footage.
Speaker 6: So it's almost like Windy and Danny here like just
Speaker 6: watching nothing on the TV. So also kind of relates
Speaker 6: to the MK Ultra mind control because that would be
Speaker 6: one of the largest mind control experiments that was ever done.
Speaker 6: If the moon landing wasn't the footage was indeed faked.
Speaker 6: This one's a dialogue era between Almond and Almond telling
Speaker 6: Jack that the previous caretaker's name was Charles Grady, but
Speaker 6: later on when Jack meets Grady, he refers to himself
Speaker 6: as Delbert Grady. Two different Grady's. This one's for a
Speaker 6: really wild one, which is that she was wrong with you.
Speaker 6: This isn't from the same scene, Okay, So Hollerin is
Speaker 6: giving Windy and Danny a tour of the hotel kitchen
Speaker 6: area where she's going to be making food and you know,
Speaker 6: providing food for Danny and Jack. This is a part
Speaker 6: of the same scene. So when Hollerin is opening this
Speaker 6: door right here, this is the door handle is on
Speaker 6: the right hand side right. So the next scene is
Speaker 6: them inside of the freezer room here, and this is
Speaker 6: them exiting the freezer room. So not only does the
Speaker 6: door handle change sides when the exit is now on
Speaker 6: the left side and the background is completely different. The
Speaker 6: photo looks like it's a background of like the kitchen
Speaker 6: area where they cook food. And there's like this this
Speaker 6: table here beside the door that looks like it has
Speaker 6: plates and cups and stuff on it. There's a blackboard
Speaker 6: in behind him. But whenever the exit the freezer room,
Speaker 6: there's these twin double doors here. There's a fire alarm
Speaker 6: on the on the wall here, it looks like that
Speaker 6: there's a switchboard or maybe some kind of you know,
Speaker 6: light switches here, like the main frame light switch. And
Speaker 6: this maybe this hazardous discard pile. And there's windows back
Speaker 6: here and looks like a mirror. It's a completely different set.
Speaker 6: It's a completely different set, sure, and that is a
Speaker 6: huge continuity, or like he had two different sets going
Speaker 6: on whenever they walked in to the to the freezer room.
Speaker 6: When they walk out in it is a completely different side.
Speaker 6: And now people have tried to say, well, he just
Speaker 6: switched the side that he was filming it from, but
Speaker 6: that doesn't make any sense. Even if you were to
Speaker 6: switch the side that where you were shooting to give
Speaker 6: a different perspective, that doesn't change the side that the
Speaker 6: that the handle of the freezer.
Speaker 2: And the window next to the handle on one shot,
Speaker 2: and there's no window in the shot, so Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: clearly a different scene.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, this is the Beatles Abbey Road symbolism that
Speaker 6: we were talking about and mentioning earlier that it is
Speaker 6: almost identical to the Beatles Abbey Road album artwork with
Speaker 6: the beatle John Lennon's beetle in the background, and there's
Speaker 6: more beetle symbolism. Stephen King's had a red beetle in
Speaker 6: his novel. Kubrick turned it into a yellow beetle, and
Speaker 6: then when Halren's on the way up to the hotel,
Speaker 6: there's a red beetle crush underneath the eighteen wheeler. Stephen
Speaker 6: King got the idea for naming the Shining after the
Speaker 6: John lennisong instant Karma. Wendy is reading the book by
Speaker 6: intelligence officer a named J. D. Salinger called Catcher in
Speaker 6: the Rye. A month, well less than a year after
Speaker 6: this movie came out, John Lennon was then assassinated. This
Speaker 6: one is strange because it's a lamp shade. It's a
Speaker 6: lamp that whenever Windy, whenever Jack is busted down the
Speaker 6: first door into the apartment and Windy and Danny is
Speaker 6: running into the bathroom, there's a lamp on the table
Speaker 6: there that's crooked, and then when Jack walks in, it's straight.
Speaker 6: This one is a really interesting one because this one
Speaker 6: is where the famous scene of Jack breaking down the
Speaker 6: quarter panel of the door to get into the bathroom
Speaker 6: to you know, essentially murder Wendy. He has only seen
Speaker 6: breaking down the right side quarter panel of the door
Speaker 6: and sticking his head through and saying, here's Johnny. But
Speaker 6: then whenever he hears holeran stowmobile pull up to the
Speaker 6: scene and the scene cuts and it turns and he
Speaker 6: turns around, both sides of the quarter panel of the
Speaker 6: door have been smashed out. This is a poster in
Speaker 6: the background whenever Danny. The first time Danny sees anything
Speaker 6: strange in the hotels, when the two twins appear in
Speaker 6: the game's room, he's throwing darts at the dark board.
Speaker 6: He turns around and there's the twins, and there's a
Speaker 6: poster in the background that says Monarch. This is another
Speaker 6: one that people have already pointed out several times, which
Speaker 6: is at the end of the movie when the shot
Speaker 6: feeds from a far away shot to a close up
Speaker 6: shot of jackets seeing that Jack appears to have a
Speaker 6: tiny little hitler mustache in there in the background of
Speaker 6: the gold Room the second time, well the first time
Speaker 6: that they walk in and Almon is giving them a
Speaker 6: tour along with Bill Watson. Here in the back you
Speaker 6: can see a Nazi swastika imprinted into the background of
Speaker 6: the gold Room and at his end of the presentation. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and Bill Watson within the movie is it was super
Speaker 6: strange character. He doesn't really seem to do much at all.
Speaker 6: He's just kind of there. He's like an observer and
Speaker 6: I relate that a lot to Sidney Gottlieb within the
Speaker 6: I mean, they look almost identical as well to Sidney Gottlieb,
Speaker 6: but there's very few photos of Sidney Gottlieb out there,
Speaker 6: so it was, you know, kind of difficult to find
Speaker 6: any photos of them. There's only like one or two
Speaker 6: or three out there that you can find, and already
Speaker 6: had them in the documentary. But it seems like Bill
Speaker 6: Watson is really the runner of this experiment and this
Speaker 6: thing that's going down up at the overlook, and there's
Speaker 6: a whole ending to the shining that was completely caught
Speaker 6: out of the movie that Kubrick filmed that didn't make
Speaker 6: it into the actual movie that really explains this entire
Speaker 6: thing and confirms our theory of exactly what's going on
Speaker 6: up at the overlook and what Stanley Kubrick was trying
Speaker 6: to say within the movie The Shining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I was gonna if you didn't mention it,
Speaker 2: that was elving to mention that the you all definitely
Speaker 2: wrapped it up great, And I was totally unaware of
Speaker 2: the alternate ending, So you know, that was definitely a
Speaker 2: good way in the documentary.
Speaker 6: I thought, yeah, it's so interesting. So basically at the
Speaker 6: end of this original ending, the Cubrick cut out, like
Speaker 6: Ollman comes into the hospital and it is like, hey,
Speaker 6: what you know, what's going on here? What's what's happening?
Speaker 6: And they pretty much confirmed that it was a giant
Speaker 6: experiment that was ran up there. Then he throws Danny
Speaker 6: a tennis ball of that jack was thrown against the wall,
Speaker 6: which was also the exact same tennis ball that inexplictably
Speaker 6: rolled toward Danny before he went into room two thirty seven.
Speaker 6: How did he know about that tennis ballure, how did
Speaker 6: he know that that tennis ball was even there? And
Speaker 6: how did he know to throw it to Danny?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Great stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I haven't noticed so much of that
Speaker 5: you see continuity that you're talking about before in the movie,
Speaker 5: so you mentioned it, I mean I've seen it multiple
Speaker 5: times too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's pretty much all of the ones that I
Speaker 6: know about it. And I'm sure that there's others that
Speaker 6: some people might be able to find or come up with,
Speaker 6: but those are like the main ones, and a lot
Speaker 6: of them people that had never really noticed, and that
Speaker 6: comes from just watching this movie over and over and
Speaker 6: over again.
Speaker 2: So sure. Well, with Kober being such attention to you know,
Speaker 2: not about attention to details as you all point on
Speaker 2: the film, with his recreation of the B fifty two
Speaker 2: bombers and whatnot in his previous films that alerted you know,
Speaker 2: Intel services. What what do you think his purpose was
Speaker 2: for all these continuity hers.
Speaker 6: I think the purpose was was to is to slowly
Speaker 6: drive the viewer into some form of also questioning their
Speaker 6: reality just as and go down this delusional aspect, Just
Speaker 6: as you know, Jack is also going down this rabbit
Speaker 6: hole of like delusion and psychosis and paranoia. I think
Speaker 6: that Kubrick is also wanting the audience to take this
Speaker 6: journey just as Jack is also and it's subliminal, right,
Speaker 6: It's not something that's I mean, some of them are
Speaker 6: really in your face that you can notice on a
Speaker 6: first viewing, but some of the other ones are really subtle,
Speaker 6: and it's affecting your subconscious to give you this eerie
Speaker 6: feeling like something is not right about this movie and
Speaker 6: people can't really put their thumb on what's not right
Speaker 6: about it? Why am I getting this creepy feeling? Why
Speaker 6: is it eerie? Is it just the visual aspects? Is
Speaker 6: it just the soundtrack and the music? I mean, I
Speaker 6: think that that definitely adds to it. But the continuity
Speaker 6: errors and the dialogue errors within the movie is affecting
Speaker 6: the subconscious of the viewer, even if they don't notice it,
Speaker 6: giving them this eerie, strange feeling that they can't quite
Speaker 6: put their finger on. And this is what keeps people
Speaker 6: coming back to this movie over and over again and
Speaker 6: rewatching it over and over again. And that is what
Speaker 6: is happening with Jackie's also starting to go into these delusional,
Speaker 6: delusional aspects, and it makes sense to me that that
Speaker 6: would be the reason why Kubrick is doing that. He's
Speaker 6: putting it in there. It's another symbolic type of metaphor
Speaker 6: to make the viewer and the audience's watching the movie
Speaker 6: to slowly start to question their reality, just as Jack
Speaker 6: is starting to question his reality and go down this
Speaker 6: rabbit hole of delusions within the movie.
Speaker 2: No, that's a great explanation. Runner. It makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense. I've been kubrick mind fucked watching The Johnny's
Speaker 2: Funny and it does.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's always been this creepy aspect of the
Speaker 6: movie that people just can't put their finger on. They're like,
Speaker 6: what is going on here? What's happening? Why am I
Speaker 6: feeling really creepy about this entire thing? And I think
Speaker 6: that that's exactly what's going on. And obviously the soundtrack
Speaker 6: definitely helps. The soundtrack is very creepy, with the creepy
Speaker 6: tones and the music that is used, and the visuals
Speaker 6: as well, like the quick cuts from Danny and the
Speaker 6: Blood and the Elevator and the Twins and all that.
Speaker 6: It's it's it's very symbolic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think those film Yeah, deeply layered, deeply
Speaker 5: layered film. I think for sure, Well, thank you, right,
Speaker 5: I mean right, an hour and a half now, I
Speaker 5: figure maybe we could wrap it up here and I'm
Speaker 5: sure you don't want to spill all the beans, So
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Speaker 5: Thank you very much. I always always love having you
Speaker 5: on man. It's always a great talk. I love you work. Yeah,
Speaker 5: everybody please go check out his did put his link
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Speaker 5: now you could probably find a way to his his documentaries.
Speaker 5: I'll throw in some lenks if I have to after
Speaker 5: the fact. JJ please let everybody know real quick before
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure appreciate the invite rider for sire your time.
Speaker 2: Great great great movie. Love the new ideas and thoughts
Speaker 2: that I got from watching it, and definitely enjoyed the guests.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One, they're a big fan of Joe Atwell's work. Mark
Speaker 2: Devlin and I used to communicate quite frequently years ago
Speaker 2: when he was he mentioned he was on a tour
Speaker 2: of Laurel Canyon in twenty seventeen. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's right. I used to talk about Laurel Canyon and
Speaker 2: some of these kind of weird scenes inside the Canyon
Speaker 2: ideas with Mark Devlin back around twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: because he brought he brought me up to speed on
Speaker 2: the Africa Africa Bombada and the kind of the head
Speaker 2: pop you know, kind of nature that that look weird
Speaker 2: scenes inside the Canyon you know, into the hip hop
Speaker 2: community because he was a DJ and I was focusing
Speaker 2: on the time on my Laurel Canyon series. So DeBie
Speaker 2: Cross passed with Mark. He has some great ideas too,
Speaker 2: So there's definitely a and Walter Bossi I. You know,
Speaker 2: he's brought some interesting things to my perspective. I caught
Speaker 2: his show last week on on the Processed Church with
Speaker 2: Todd Wood and Dana from Rotting Jewels. You know, there
Speaker 2: was a good, good show on some of those topics.
Speaker 2: But he's always bringing some new stuff to the table
Speaker 2: if it seems like relatively of the conspiracy culture. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: quite a lineup of folks in your movie. I was
Speaker 2: quite impressed. But yeah, Debby recommend folks check that out
Speaker 2: and appreciate both your gents times.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, thank you very much, and thank you everybody
Speaker 5: in the chat. That's what's up. I saw a lot
Speaker 5: of people over there from Writer's channel and JJ's comment,
Speaker 5: and two because I can see it in stream yard,
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