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<v Speaker 1>Free from chooser, see.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. There are guys.

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<v Speaker 3>A damn dog there, y'all free born from Chichen Street shots, fool.

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<v Speaker 2>Dog, there are guys, eight of damn dolls.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, y'all, they y'all shoot food.

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<v Speaker 3>Perference book used to just ships course by Shaan North.

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<v Speaker 3>Next most Fruits stay weird, fold.

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<v Speaker 5>Step fish, Welcome to the Cult rejects. This episode, I

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<v Speaker 5>got my boy JJ Vince co hosting with me. Thank

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<v Speaker 5>you very much, JJ for coming on. And it was

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<v Speaker 5>kind of like a short notice of course, of course,

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<v Speaker 5>so thank you very much for coming on, and finally

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<v Speaker 5>got this man back on. I've been waiting since the

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<v Speaker 5>last time he was on, when he had told me

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<v Speaker 5>that he was working on a new documentary. He always

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<v Speaker 5>does good work, my opinion, I think at the last

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<v Speaker 5>documentary he did was amazing. I suggest everybody to check

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<v Speaker 5>that out. Kind of blew my mind, and it was

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<v Speaker 5>wild to find out that even some of my family

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<v Speaker 5>members had actually had some of the same idea that

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<v Speaker 5>he presented. So it was kind of interesting because even

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<v Speaker 5>my family went to go watch it after I told

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<v Speaker 5>him I thought it was so good, and they were like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>your mom used to think that's what actually happened. I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, what the fuck? So it was really wild

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<v Speaker 5>for me to find out that my mom thought the

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<v Speaker 5>same thing that Ryder Lee was showing in the movie.

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<v Speaker 5>Just weird, you know. But yeah, we got right A

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<v Speaker 5>Lye on with us today as the guest. Real quick, JJ,

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<v Speaker 5>just let all the new people and the new listeners

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<v Speaker 5>that don't know who you are, let them know where

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<v Speaker 5>they can find your amazing work.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, JJ, vance right there on the screen, host of

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<v Speaker 2>Operation GCDD, help folks out right there on the screen.

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<v Speaker 2>The host A Shenanigan infused journey into the mind of

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<v Speaker 2>this particular garbage can dude in fact talking going to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing a live show tonight on the process What

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<v Speaker 2>is the Processed Church with Dana from Rotting Jewels a

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<v Speaker 2>continuation of numerous discussions we've had on the Processed Church

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<v Speaker 2>here on the Occult Rejects now looking forward to the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate the invite writer definitely enjoyed the documentary. Still processing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of our conversation last week from the Ancient

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<v Speaker 2>Aliens and the UFO drone invasions, So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>good information there for folks to go check out on

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation all three of us did last Wednesday on

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<v Speaker 2>Operation GCD and yeah, w looking forward to this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I see a lot of process speaking of processed church,

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<v Speaker 2>see a lot of processed church connections within the whole intel.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you know, sy up or I'm sorry mind controlled

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<v Speaker 2>killer circumstances you present in your in your film, and

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<v Speaker 2>definitely looking forward to to get into some of those ideas.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you remember the little section that we had of

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<v Speaker 6>Mark Devlin talking about the process church. Obviously we couldn't

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<v Speaker 6>go super deep into it in your documentary, but because

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<v Speaker 6>it would.

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<v Speaker 2>Know it's great. Yeah. Mark Dellen's great too. I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with his work on Manson Family. Sure. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a great addition to your film. I thought him and

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<v Speaker 2>Joe at Will both we're both surprising. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I really liked, uh what Mark Devlin brought to the table.

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<v Speaker 6>His research is really incredible, And that's really awesome that

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<v Speaker 6>you're doing things with Dana. I had her on my

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<v Speaker 6>show as well. She's a really incredible research.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yes, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the the Cross, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the topics and personnelity you've identified in your film. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just to me, I think it just speaks to the

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<v Speaker 2>same kind of soup we're talking about here. Where kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the subject where Data and I are going to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss tonight is just more of a general concept of

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<v Speaker 2>what is the process, you know, from a legal standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>from a you know, reality standpoint, what you know from

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, execution of their ideas standpoint. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's certainly there's certainly involved a lot of characters like

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<v Speaker 2>you all present as well in the film surround Sirhan, Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>How Sirhan Sirhan is just basically being psychically driven to

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<v Speaker 6>write the same thing j RFK must die ORFK must

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<v Speaker 6>Die over and over again. And then Jack within the

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<v Speaker 6>Shining is essentially writing his own version of psychic driving,

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<v Speaker 6>which is all working no play makes Jack a dull boy,

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<v Speaker 6>over and over and over again. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 6>the connections that I found later on after I'd realized

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<v Speaker 6>exactly what's going on within the Shining, and I was

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<v Speaker 6>putting all these things together, and I was like, holy

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<v Speaker 6>crad of this is exactly like I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 6>a real life example, and we show several real life

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<v Speaker 6>examples of you know, what's being portrayed in The Shining,

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<v Speaker 6>and then things that has happened in real life, like

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<v Speaker 6>the dosing of LSD and the you know, Jack essentially

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<v Speaker 6>being dosed with LSD, and we know that the CIA

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<v Speaker 6>And that's really where we you know, got to the

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<v Speaker 6>core of exactly what's going on within the Shining and

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<v Speaker 6>using all these real life examples of you know, and

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<v Speaker 6>then you also have like things like with Sue Lyon

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<v Speaker 6>as well within the movie Lolito, which is essentially about pedophilia,

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<v Speaker 6>and then the exact same thing is happening to her

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<v Speaker 6>and real life with James B. Harris, Kubrick's producer on

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<v Speaker 6>the on the movie, he's doing the same thing to her,

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<v Speaker 6>that is what she's portraying in the movie. And then

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<v Speaker 6>with like a clockwork Shining whenever that came out, I

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<v Speaker 6>mean a clockwork Orange. Sorry, when a clockwork Orange came out,

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<v Speaker 6>it got banned in all these different countries because there

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<v Speaker 6>things that were going on and crime was rising really high,

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<v Speaker 6>and they decided to ban the movie over there. And

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<v Speaker 6>then like with you know, within The Shining, with Shelley Duvall,

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<v Speaker 6>in the way that Cubrick is treating Shaley Duvall, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it seems very reminiscent of what someone would do to

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<v Speaker 6>another person if they're trying to you know, traumatize them

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<v Speaker 6>and break down their mind and mind fracture them within

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<v Speaker 6>the movie, and he's doing that there her in real

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<v Speaker 6>life as it's sort of being portrayed in The Shining.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that, and I well, when I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching it, before I got to that part, I wondered

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<v Speaker 2>if you'all were going to address what became of Shelley Duvall,

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<v Speaker 2>And that was I thought that was a good way

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<v Speaker 2>to summarize it. They're the way you just did that

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<v Speaker 2>that section of the film, because yeah, clearly something happened

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<v Speaker 2>to Shelley Duvall. She passed this past year. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>y'all dedicated the film to her her passing her life

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<v Speaker 2>that is, but yeah, she definitely, I mean she was

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<v Speaker 2>mentally affected there throughout the latter part of her life

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<v Speaker 2>there after she did The Shining, Yeah, and there with

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<v Speaker 2>her you know, her physical and drug abuse and physical deterioration. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Kubrick is really a master filmmaker, and he likes to

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<v Speaker 6>put things in there that are symbolically telling a story.

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<v Speaker 6>And whenever Wendy, one of the first things that Wendy

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<v Speaker 6>sees after Jack is trying to kill her with an axe,

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<v Speaker 6>and then she puts Danny out the window, and then

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<v Speaker 6>she goes downstairs and she sees Hollarin's body dead on

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<v Speaker 6>killed in this entire movie, and he actually wasn't killed

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<v Speaker 6>in Stephen King's novel The Shining, but Kubery put it

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<v Speaker 6>in that Jack kills Holleran in the movie. And then

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<v Speaker 6>whenever Wendy turns around, she she sees the gentleman that's

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<v Speaker 6>standing there with the wineglass, and the gentleman says, great party,

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<v Speaker 6>isn't it, And he's got the split down his forehead.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>That's to me some symbolizing the mind fracturing that Windy

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<v Speaker 2>No, for sure, I think that was a great point too,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean that was a very big beef between

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<v Speaker 2>Kubrick and King, right with these these elements that Kubrick

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<v Speaker 2>changed from the King narrative, and clearly Kubrick's doing and

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<v Speaker 2>changing these narratives, changing these elements of the narrative for

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<v Speaker 2>an intended purpose, And I think, Yeah, I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a good way to describe that scene for sure, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot I mean, there's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the Shining before. It's probably my favorite Kubrick film.

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<v Speaker 2>It's certainly the one I saw first, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things that I saw that probably as a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really get into any of other Kubrick films

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<v Speaker 2>until recent years, probably five years ago or so, But

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was an interesting way did the psychic

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<v Speaker 2>driving aspect of Probably the line that sticks out of

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<v Speaker 2>the scene, that sticks out the most of the movie

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<v Speaker 2>to me is the all working no play makes Jack

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<v Speaker 2>a dull boy. And I never really considered that to

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<v Speaker 2>be a psychic driving thing, but it makes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of sense in that context.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, are our.

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<v Speaker 6>Movie really brings together a lot of the holes that

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<v Speaker 6>people have pointed out within the movie. Why certain things

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<v Speaker 6>don't make sense. You know why all these connuity errors

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<v Speaker 6>are there, you know, items disappearing and reappearing. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>there's even dialogue errors within the Shining that are that

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<v Speaker 6>stick out like a sore thumb, and no one has

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<v Speaker 6>really been able to explain why these things are there.

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<v Speaker 6>And also you know why these like random scenes of

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<v Speaker 6>like when Wendy goes upstairs and she sees the guy

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<v Speaker 6>that's dressed up in like a teddy Bear costume that is,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, makes it look like that he's performing oral

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<v Speaker 6>sex on the other gentleman, that's what's on the bed.

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<v Speaker 6>And a lot of those makes sense when you realize

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<v Speaker 6>that you know what this movie is really and you

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<v Speaker 6>can put two and two together and realize that exactly

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<v Speaker 6>what's going on within this movie. And also Q bricks

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<v Speaker 6>like foreshadowing within the movie is like completely genius. It's

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<v Speaker 6>it's genius filmmaking. In the very beginning of the movie,

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<v Speaker 6>when the doctor comes to visit Danny, there's a teddy

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<v Speaker 6>Bear that Danny is laying on. There's teddy Bear paintings

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<v Speaker 6>and pictures throughout the movie, and then you got the

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<v Speaker 6>teddy bear guy that's dressed up in a bear costume.

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<v Speaker 6>The amount of times that baseball bats show up in

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<v Speaker 6>the movie before Windy even picks up the baseball bat

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<v Speaker 6>is staggering. In the first ten minutes of the movie,

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<v Speaker 6>when the doctor is visiting Danny, there's a curtain on

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<v Speaker 6>the side that has like a cartoon character holding a

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<v Speaker 6>baseball bat. Whenever Jack goes to look at the maze

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<v Speaker 6>the model of the maze, which is one of the

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<v Speaker 6>most interesting scenes of the entire movie, with Jack's looking

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<v Speaker 6>at the model of the maze and then the maze

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<v Speaker 6>fades into the outside maze where Danny and Windy is

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<v Speaker 6>outside in the maze. It's unlike any other shot in

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<v Speaker 6>the entire movie. But before he goes to look at

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<v Speaker 6>the maze, there's a baseball bat that's laying on the

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<v Speaker 6>couch downstairs, but then it automatically appears back upstairs in

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<v Speaker 6>their apartment where Windy and daniere setting with the Teddy

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<v Speaker 6>Bear in the background. Another Teddy Bear symbolism with a

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<v Speaker 6>fire truck and the ladder of the fire trucks sticking up,

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<v Speaker 6>giving the appearance that the Teddy Bear. Teddy Bear has

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<v Speaker 2>And even that's kind of foreshadowed, right, because they tell

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<v Speaker 2>where that's where Jack learns it from. Right.

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<v Speaker 6>his family and that's it and his wife. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>that's exactly what Jack ends up doing as well. JJ Freeze, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>got at a big storm. Then someone activated the alien

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<v Speaker 6>Well that's wild you. We can barely even see you

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<v Speaker 6>anyway with that camouflage on JJ.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, He's got the camouflage all around them too on

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, this our movie at Clockwork Shining, which is on

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<v Speaker 6>Amazon Prime and Apple TV Plus, is is a new

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<v Speaker 6>look at the Shining material and it's it's not something

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<v Speaker 6>it's not about the moon landing. Okay, Jay Widener is

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<v Speaker 6>in the movie. Okay, he's the originator of the you know,

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<v Speaker 6>thinking that the Shining is Cubri's confession of faking the

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<v Speaker 6>moon landing. But this movie is not about the moon landing.

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<v Speaker 6>We maybe mentioned the moon landing a couple of different

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<v Speaker 6>times throughout the movie. It probably takes up like two

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<v Speaker 6>minutes of almost two hours of the movie. So you know,

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<v Speaker 6>before people think that, you know, this is just a

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<v Speaker 6>complete rehashing of old stuff and that it's nothing new,

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<v Speaker 6>it isn't. It is something new that that I believe

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<v Speaker 6>is actually going on with the Shining. No.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great point because yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you obviously do touch on it there, but that's a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great assessment. It was about two minutes of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the two hours talking about the Apollo stuff. I did

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<v Speaker 2>find a lot of the and where you really touch

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<v Speaker 2>based on it seemed like was the Wonderland Air Force Base,

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<v Speaker 2>Lookout Mountain, laboratories discussion, which was obviously relevant to mention there.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's a big integral part of the entire documentary

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<v Speaker 6>because you know, the it's interesting because there was a

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<v Speaker 6>hotel right there where Lookout Mountain air Force Base became

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<v Speaker 6>the Air Force Base, and the hotel was called Lookout

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<v Speaker 6>Mountain Hotel, which looked, you know, similar to Stanley Kubrick's

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<v Speaker 6>Overlook Hotel within The Shining and that hotel ended up

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<v Speaker 6>burning for the ground in the early nineteen hundreds, and

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<v Speaker 6>then Stephen King's sequel movie to The Shining Doctor Sleep,

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<v Speaker 6>the Overlook Hotel burns to the ground. So it's like

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<v Speaker 6>this this weird parallel between you know, reality either mimicking

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<v Speaker 6>of Stanley Kubrick's movies. Then you also have you know,

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<v Speaker 6>Catcher in the Rye as well, like all that that

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<v Speaker 6>stuff with Ketcher in the Rye is completely wild. I

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<v Speaker 6>mean when we first meet Wendy and Danny in the movie,

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<v Speaker 6>Wendy is reading Catcher in the Rye, which is buying

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<v Speaker 6>intelligence Officer J. D. Salinger, and this was a year

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<v Speaker 6>before both assassinations, which involves Catcher in the Rye and

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<v Speaker 6>was found on the scene. Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley Junior.

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<v Speaker 6>This Catcher in the Rye was in this movie before

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<v Speaker 6>those assassinations took place. With John Lennon and all the Beatles.

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<v Speaker 6>Symbolism within The Shining as well is you know they

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<v Speaker 6>look they're walking almost identically to the Beatles Abbey Road

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<v Speaker 6>album cover. You have the beatle that's in the background

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<v Speaker 6>of the Abbey Road cover, which was John Lennon's beatle.

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<v Speaker 6>Stephen King put a beatle in the in the movie.

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<v Speaker 6>It was supposed to be a red Beatles. Stanley Kuper

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<v Speaker 6>changed it from a red to a yellow beatle, and

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<v Speaker 6>then when Hollerin is traveling up to the overlook, you

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<v Speaker 6>see a red beetle crush underneath a fourteen wheeler. Semi you.

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<v Speaker 6>Stephen King was supposed to, you know, make the.

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<v Speaker 2>Lord of the Rings J. R. R.

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<v Speaker 6>Tolkien's Lord of the Rings movie where the Beatles were

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<v Speaker 6>gonna play all the Hobbits. Stephen King actually got the

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<v Speaker 6>idea to name his novel The Shining from a John

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<v Speaker 6>Lennon song called Instant Karma where he talks about we

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<v Speaker 6>all shine on there's so much Beatles, things in Beatles

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<v Speaker 6>connections between Stanley to Break the Shining and and Stephen

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<v Speaker 6>King as well. It's really incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought that was some interesting correlations I had

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<v Speaker 2>and not previously considered were identified. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Beatles are an interesting group because you know, back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Processed Church, they definitely erupt out of the out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Mayfair scene and literally out of the Processed

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<v Speaker 2>Church headquarters in the Mayfair the Beatles formal band and

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Asher famously Paul Asher. Paul McCartney was dating his

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend Asher. Her her first cousin was a founding member

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<v Speaker 2>of the of the Process and I believe recently passed

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<v Speaker 2>out there in cana of Utah, Diane Asher and uh

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<v Speaker 2>that that uh McCartney's uh girlfriend Asher. I can't think

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<v Speaker 2>of her first name at the moment. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>call her Linda, but I know that's not it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>her brother is the McCartney's girlfriend's brother was allegedly a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the Process and owner of that Indica art gallery,

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<v Speaker 2>uh coffee and art gallery there in Mayfair district where

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles would hang out, where John Mett Yoko, where

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<v Speaker 2>Lennon met Yoko, was at that in the Indica Gallery there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's very difficult. I mean, there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>obvious uh symbolism within the process uh and the Beatles

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<v Speaker 2>at the very same time they're they're associating themselves with this.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll they'll make an album where they're all wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>very processed looking cloak right on the album cover, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and obviously there's the the Crowley stuff when

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<v Speaker 2>you come to Sergeant Pepper's. Nonetheless, it's a it's a narrative.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't be separated between the two of the process

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<v Speaker 2>and the Beatles, And I had no idea there was

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<v Speaker 2>those there's the correlations and you know, between the Beatles

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<v Speaker 2>and the some of the naming there with the with

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<v Speaker 2>the Kubrick films yea.

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<v Speaker 6>And then Charles Manson said to be a part of

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<v Speaker 6>to the Beatles as well, like that gentleman just brought

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<v Speaker 6>up in the chat, you know, Manson being a musician,

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<v Speaker 6>and I believe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 6>but I believe that Manson claimed that the Beatles stole

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<v Speaker 6>some of his songs or something like that, and might

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the beasts. So yeah, the Beatles were

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<v Speaker 2>definitely part of that Laurel Canyon scene. So right there

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<v Speaker 2>and lookout Mountain Laboratories, Wonderland Air Force Base. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles were hanging out right through there, along with

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff you identify in the film with with the

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<v Speaker 2>monkeys and Jack Nicholson and the kind of the psychedelic

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<v Speaker 2>music scene that was going on there at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Hendrix would have been a third party there with

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Tork and Jack Nicholson and that and that and

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<v Speaker 2>that little trio of you know, activity around that movie

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<v Speaker 2>had you all identify in the film. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the Beatles are very much part of that scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Phil Spector, the producer of The Wall of Sound, he

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<v Speaker 2>produced the Beatles as well. He owned some of their

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<v Speaker 2>some of the rights to their music. So yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh, certainly a scene that they're they're They're often

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<v Speaker 2>not immediately identified with, but they were certainly embedded in.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, in China Town with Roman Polanski that he directed

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<v Speaker 6>with Jack Nicholson, and then Roman Planski was at a

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<v Speaker 6>Jack Nicholson prompt party and then he got he raped

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<v Speaker 6>a thirteen year old girl and then fled the country

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<v Speaker 6>for from prosecution. And then at that same time, Jack

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<v Speaker 6>Nicholson also loved to go to England to shoot the Shining.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, not coincidental, I'm sure. I mean, these are all

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<v Speaker 2>part of the same network. It seems like as far

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<v Speaker 2>as the you know, these uh, these filmmakers and producers there,

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<v Speaker 2>because you have Bob Evans involved in that Polansky Nicholson

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<v Speaker 2>cover up of the rape business of Plansky, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know he's he's very much involved in uh with these

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<v Speaker 2>same cult groups as well, along with as you all

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<v Speaker 2>point out, Nicholson. But yeah, the Beatles stuff is very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to me because uh, you know, they they they

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<v Speaker 2>definitely seem to be very much part of this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of acculted mind, almost like the way the Manchurian Candidate

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<v Speaker 2>films served as some sort of you know or even

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<v Speaker 2>as you all point out the book from Jadie Suder,

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<v Speaker 2>there the the I'm drawing a blank, what's that right now?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because then the whole all the Beatles connections, and

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<v Speaker 6>then it just happens to be that John Lennon is

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<v Speaker 6>is assassinating and murdered less than a year after the

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<v Speaker 6>shining comes out where Wendy is reading the exact same

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<v Speaker 6>book and Mark David Chapman is reading the book on

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<v Speaker 6>the scene. After he's setting on the sidewalk and the

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<v Speaker 6>police come and he's actively reading the book Catcher in

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<v Speaker 6>the Rye. And then he goes to court and stands

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<v Speaker 6>up in court and says that if you want my defense,

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<v Speaker 6>all you need to do is Recatcher in the Rye.

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<v Speaker 6>And then as psychologist visits him in prison a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of years after, and then he's still reading Catcher in

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<v Speaker 6>the Rye. Then you have John Hinckley Junior, which was

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<v Speaker 6>also involved and a well it was an attempted assassination

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<v Speaker 6>of Ronald Reagan, but that was also found on the scene.

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<v Speaker 6>It seems it seems like we're in assassination season right

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<v Speaker 6>now in the United States. It seems like we're bringing

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<v Speaker 6>that full circle right back around.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, well, I'm kind of wait and and I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of waiting for the Satanists to attack.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems to be a going trend with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these presidential assassination attempts from Sir Hans, Sir Han

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<v Speaker 2>TeV elements to the JFK situation, with the same Satanist parties,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, through the Gerald Ford attempts in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, onto the Hankleys and you know whatnot. There

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<v Speaker 2>all seems to be an underlying trend with Satanists. We

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen that yet in our latest assassination season, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting for it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, did you guys see this article about JFK from

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<v Speaker 6>I might have the Vanity Fair article?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>He supposedly faked his assassination from the two months before,

421
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<v Speaker 6>has supposed a real assassination in nineteen sixty three. Why

422
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<v Speaker 6>had JFK staged his own murder and a James Bond

423
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<v Speaker 6>inspired spy film two months before his assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's wild.

425
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's a whole Vanity Fair article here, it's and

426
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<v Speaker 6>that's kind of what we surmise in our first Sure

427
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<v Speaker 6>documentary JFK Xcenty and Jay Winer did that you can

428
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<v Speaker 6>also find on Amazon Prime. So this was really wild

429
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<v Speaker 6>to me that Vanity Fair came out with this and

430
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<v Speaker 6>it was a Jackie Kennedy filmed a fake assassination of

431
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<v Speaker 6>JFK two months before the supposed real assassination. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I've shown this article. I've sent it to several people

433
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<v Speaker 6>and they don't even know what to make of it.

434
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<v Speaker 2>They're like, I'm in the same boat right now when

435
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<v Speaker 2>you're when you're presenting here. It's an odd one, right.

436
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's got you know. They talk about all of

437
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<v Speaker 6>this and that kid that Jackie was a really big

438
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<v Speaker 6>proponent of films. She wanted to be a filmmaker and

439
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<v Speaker 6>a film director, and she studied French film and all

440
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<v Speaker 6>of the Secret Service agents that were involved with this

441
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<v Speaker 6>with the supposed real assassination that happened November twenty second,

442
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<v Speaker 6>nineteen sixty three, we're also involved in this fake assassination

443
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<v Speaker 6>that happened to those films two months prior they were

444
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<v Speaker 6>all there there. Jockie called them and was like, pull

445
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<v Speaker 6>up to the house and and pretend that you heard

446
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<v Speaker 6>gunshots go off.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, we'll not have to read that article.

448
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'll drop it in the chat here too, and

449
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<v Speaker 6>I'll just send it to you as well. But I thought,

450
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<v Speaker 6>but you also have allman within the movie that looks

451
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<v Speaker 6>almost identical to JFK and JFK actually watched Kubrick's movie

452
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<v Speaker 6>Spartacus at the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that was an interesting part of the

454
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<v Speaker 2>documentary all covered because I think that's an under underdiscussed

455
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<v Speaker 2>aspect of politics in Hollywood, is the is the Douglas

456
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<v Speaker 2>clan altogether, and they're obviously deeply involved there in the UH,

457
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<v Speaker 2>in the in the in the film Spartacus as well.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so JFK was definitely a fan of uh Stanley

459
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<v Speaker 6>Kubrick's work, I mean, to watch it. I mean JFK

460
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<v Speaker 6>was known to watch a lot of movies at the

461
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<v Speaker 6>White House, but that was one of the first ones

462
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 6>that he watched was Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus, and he supported

463
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<v Speaker 6>it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was considered a big left wing effort at

465
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<v Speaker 2>the time, Right, That was a very much part of

466
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<v Speaker 2>the Communist Red Scare in Hollywood, and they were often

467
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<v Speaker 2>considered as the communist factions. Right.

468
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, JFK had And that's what a lot of people

469
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<v Speaker 6>don't really remember is that JFK was a Democrat. He

470
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<v Speaker 6>wasn't a Republican, but a lot of the Republicans prop

471
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<v Speaker 6>him up like he was somehow like a Republican, and

472
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<v Speaker 6>a lot of the Republicans of the time did not

473
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<v Speaker 6>like JFK. They were pretty much against him. Because he

474
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<v Speaker 6>obviously wanted to desegregate the population and do a lot

475
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 6>of left leaning ideology things that the right did not

476
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.279
<v Speaker 6>want to do at that time, and that's what created

477
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<v Speaker 6>you know, Kennedy, gave Kennedy a lot of enemies within

478
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<v Speaker 6>the political spectrum.

479
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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of left right politics around that production

480
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<v Speaker 2>of that film, right, for relative to the impact on

481
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<v Speaker 2>Kubrick correct, Correct, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a really interesting We have some clips of it

483
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<v Speaker 6>in our movie, like it's it is very the divisive film,

484
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.160
<v Speaker 6>just like a lot of Cubic's or early works were

485
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:31.079
<v Speaker 6>really divisive, and like Barry Linden, it did not go

486
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<v Speaker 6>over very well. I mean, Berry Linden was an amazingly

487
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.759
<v Speaker 6>beautiful film. It was shot beautifully, of course, but it

488
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<v Speaker 6>just did not go over well with the audience. It

489
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<v Speaker 6>did not go over well with the critics. And it's

490
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<v Speaker 6>a high possibility that Warner Brothers was kind of like, hey,

491
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<v Speaker 6>let's let's do this horror novel by Stephen King, because

492
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<v Speaker 6>they had already had a big success with a horror

493
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<v Speaker 6>novel and big time film director director with William Freaking

494
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<v Speaker 6>and The Actressist, which was based on a book.

495
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<v Speaker 2>There's so much information for scuy Right.

496
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I don't think that the actressist was I don't

497
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.559
<v Speaker 6>think that was even a real story. I'm pretty sure

498
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 6>people have done a lot of research into the actressist

499
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 6>kid and that being a real story, and it turns

500
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 6>out that all those people were fake. They're all fake

501
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 6>people that they never even existed. And but that's what

502
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:30.799
<v Speaker 6>the movie was based off of, was that novel. And

503
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 6>it's highly possible that Warner Brothers was kind of like, oh, hey,

504
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 6>you know, do this book by this, you know, big

505
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:43.319
<v Speaker 6>time author, Stephen King, because your your movies before has

506
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 6>just been you know, really big flops. Like, we can't

507
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 6>take another flop, so let's do something that's been proven

508
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.720
<v Speaker 6>to work with, you know, adapting a horror novel into

509
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<v Speaker 6>a film.

510
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<v Speaker 2>Right there. He had success with some of the King

511
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:02.559
<v Speaker 2>stuff right in the mid seventies with like is it Carrie, Yes, Carrie.

512
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<v Speaker 6>I think Chris maybe Chris. I think Christine might.

513
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<v Speaker 2>Have been seen one of the one of those one

514
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 2>of those Stephen King stories, right they made in the

515
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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies.

516
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, of course, but it as well, I think it

517
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<v Speaker 6>might have came out in the eighties or Yeah, I'm

518
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<v Speaker 6>not I'm not up on a lot of the Stephen

519
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<v Speaker 6>King films in their release dates, though I am pretty

520
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<v Speaker 6>good with movie release.

521
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not a fan of King. I can't. I mean,

522
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm really That's one of the things that I try

523
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 2>to watch the shot things when the King version, right,

524
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<v Speaker 2>I just it wasn't I didn't think it was nearly

525
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<v Speaker 2>as good.

526
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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, that was completely That was a bunch of garbage.

527
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<v Speaker 6>And it was a mini series. I I couldn't even

528
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 6>watch it. I couldn't even finish it. It was just

529
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 6>so bad. And we realized based off of that movie,

530
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 6>which well, that TV series that came out in the nineties,

531
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<v Speaker 6>why Stephen King, you know, changed up a lot of

532
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 6>things within his version of The Shining because they didn't

533
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 6>make any sense. They did not transfer to film well,

534
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.599
<v Speaker 6>and that's probably a big reason why. I also, Stanley

535
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 6>Kubrick took took out a lot of the paranormal aspects

536
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:13.079
<v Speaker 6>from King's book. He wanted to make this more of

537
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:18.599
<v Speaker 6>a psychological film instead of a horror movie with the

538
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 6>ghosts and you know, paranormal activity. I mean, King has

539
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 6>a freaking haunted bush. There's a freaking haunted bush, and

540
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 6>in King's uh mini series. Well, but then the Shining

541
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:37.640
<v Speaker 6>and it also talks about That's one of the things

542
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 6>that Kubrick actually left in was Almond talking about that

543
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 6>is built on top of an Indian burial ground, and

544
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 6>that's where a lot of the theories come from. That

545
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.119
<v Speaker 6>it's uh that that the movie is about Native American

546
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 6>genocide and uh, you know, the Holocaust and all that

547
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 6>stuff as well. Because of Almond commenting that that that

548
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.960
<v Speaker 6>the hotel was built on top of an Indian burial ground.

549
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 2>That is a kingism though, right. I think King puts

550
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.160
<v Speaker 2>in a number of his books pet cemetery. I think

551
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.359
<v Speaker 2>it's another aspect of pet cemetery that the pet cemetery

552
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>is on a on an Indian mound. Yeah.

553
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.559
<v Speaker 6>And a lot of kings and books also take place

554
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 6>in Colorado to Colorado and like Pennsylvania, and they all

555
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 6>involve a writer pretty much. All of them have a

556
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 6>writer in his.

557
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Which was always was the was was the employment of

558
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Jack right, he was a budding writer, writer trying to

559
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<v Speaker 2>be right.

560
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And that's the thing that we bring up in

561
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 6>our movie as well, is like, because it's mentioned several

562
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 6>times in the movie, like these people in Denver, Like

563
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.440
<v Speaker 6>we show all the cuts of every time that these

564
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 6>people in Denver are mentioned in this movie, and it's

565
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.640
<v Speaker 6>like five or six times in this conversation between all

566
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.200
<v Speaker 6>men and Jack, like our people in Denver, well, the

567
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 6>people in Denver. The people in Denver highly recommended Jack,

568
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 6>and no one is really asked, who are these people

569
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:02.640
<v Speaker 6>in Denver?

570
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Like people stressed the contracts, the Denver folks.

571
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<v Speaker 6>And then later on when Jack is, you know, going

572
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 6>after Wendy, He's like, do you do you have any

573
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 6>idea what a contract is? You know that that I

574
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 6>have a responsibility to my employers. It's almost like he

575
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 6>knows exactly what's going on up there, that he knows

576
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 6>that this is some kind of experiment that he needs

577
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 6>to see through to the end, no matter what.

578
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Of course Denver, I mean, it sounds a nothing. I

579
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>had considered it as many times I've seen the shining before,

580
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.200
<v Speaker 2>this old Denver connection in these contracts. I kind of

581
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 2>laugh to Your All's montage with the Denver montage, because

582
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 2>there is it's pretty I mean it is. It's a

583
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>heavy undertone in the in the plot line.

584
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, these these people in Denver, well, your people in

585
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 6>Denver might have not might not have told you, but

586
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 6>the previous Corecaker murdered his entire family. Well, I understand

587
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 6>why your people in Denver left that for you to

588
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 6>tell me. It's over and over again, how many times.

589
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 2>The Jack kind of just struggles it all. In the

590
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 2>conversation with the JFK looking for it, he kind of

591
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 2>just you know, laughs at the Denver at the Denver comments, right, yeah,

592
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:19.599
<v Speaker 2>and you it's.

593
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.719
<v Speaker 6>Kind of well known that the CIA, like the Denver

594
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 6>Colorado is like the hub of the CIA, Like I said,

595
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 6>like the second spot other than Washington, d C. That

596
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.960
<v Speaker 6>has a heavy CIA presence is in Denver. And people

597
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 6>have talked about how Denver, well Colorado in general, is

598
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 6>going to be this new you know, headquarters for the

599
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.800
<v Speaker 6>New World and all that. So, I mean, it's not

600
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 6>out of the realm of possibility, sure, I mean, the

601
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 6>United States is really where you would want to set

602
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 6>up all your stuff because you know, on any of

603
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.920
<v Speaker 6>the coast if another country attacks, then they're going to

604
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.440
<v Speaker 6>to you really quickly. But if you're positioned like almost

605
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:04.920
<v Speaker 6>directly in the middle, then.

606
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 5>There you go.

607
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Sure, and then you have all.

608
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<v Speaker 6>This stuff of the Denver International Airport and all the

609
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 6>things that people are you have theorized that's going on. Yeah,

610
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.559
<v Speaker 6>for you know a long time. You know, underground facilities

611
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 6>underneath the Denver National Airport and all that, which d

612
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.440
<v Speaker 6>IA is really big, dude, Like it is a big airport,

613
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.679
<v Speaker 6>and it seems like it's big for absolutely no reason.

614
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:36.880
<v Speaker 6>Like you you can just walk down to corridors for

615
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.000
<v Speaker 6>like ever and like not really even see anybody. It's

616
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 6>so weird.

617
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<v Speaker 2>But it's so upset from the city. It's very it

618
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 2>is very strange. It could do anything underground out there

619
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 2>for sure, fear of the tunnel and that there's not

620
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>enough discussion about Colorado tunnels. But you got Shying Mountain,

621
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>you got all those air Force bases. I mean there's

622
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of tunnels in Colorado for sure.

623
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<v Speaker 6>Well, there's a CIA document that that came out I

624
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.239
<v Speaker 6>think in like twenty eleven. It's called the Adam and

625
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 6>Eves Story, and it was a declassified document that talks about,

626
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.320
<v Speaker 6>you know, whenever this giant cataclysm is going to come

627
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.480
<v Speaker 6>that's going to completely wreck everything, one of the only

628
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.760
<v Speaker 6>places that's going to be safe from this cataclysm is

629
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:22.960
<v Speaker 6>going to be around the Rocky Mountains. So the only

630
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 6>survivors of this giant flood that is supposedly going to

631
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 6>hit the United States is going to be in Colorado. Yeah,

632
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 6>the Timberline Lodge is where it was filmed. The exterior

633
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 6>shots of The Shining was filmed in a Timberline Lodge

634
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 6>in Oregon. The rest of it was shot in England

635
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:43.920
<v Speaker 6>on sets.

636
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I was vaguely familiar with the Lookout Mountain Hotel, but

637
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 2>looking at you know, after all mentioned the documentary, looking

638
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 2>at other pictures, I definitely definitely seemed like that was

639
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 2>a very similar looking spot to what was the model

640
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 2>there in the film in The Shining, Yeah.

641
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:02.119
<v Speaker 7>I think so.

642
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 6>And and Kubrick was a really big researcher. He had

643
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 6>like an entire team behind him that would go around

644
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 6>to these different hotels in these different spots everywhere in

645
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.400
<v Speaker 6>the United States that would do research for him and

646
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.320
<v Speaker 6>come to the you know, the perfect spot to actually

647
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 6>film his movie. But Kubrick hadn't been back to the

648
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.039
<v Speaker 6>United States, I don't believe until he never came back

649
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 6>after he made two thousand and one A Space Odyssey,

650
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 6>So people should have known that he was not going

651
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 6>to film his movie in the United States. But that

652
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 6>might have been a contention also between him and Stephen King,

653
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.199
<v Speaker 6>because they might have been under the impression that he

654
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 6>was going to film The Shining at the Stanley Hotel,

655
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 6>but he didn't. He just sent a lot of his

656
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 6>researchers there to figure out what he wanted to build

657
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 6>the set to look like on the interior, and that's

658
00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 6>all that he was doing. So that might have been

659
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 6>you know, what created this fiction, this friction between Stephen

660
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 6>King and Stanley Kubrick was that they might have been

661
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 6>under the impression that he was going to come to

662
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 6>the United States and film The Shining at the Stanley Hotel.

663
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 6>But you know, Stephen King got his wish and they

664
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.000
<v Speaker 6>filmed his mini series that was complete garbage at the

665
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.880
<v Speaker 6>Stanley Hotel. I've been there a couple of times.

666
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Place.

667
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.679
<v Speaker 6>It is a really nice place. So they got ploques

668
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.039
<v Speaker 6>on the walls of they got the acts that was

669
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 6>actually used in the filming of The Shining. In like

670
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.480
<v Speaker 6>a case, they have like a modeled out room that

671
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.719
<v Speaker 6>looks like the room two thirty seven of the bathroom

672
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:46.360
<v Speaker 6>nice the shower curtain, and then they also have the

673
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 6>model of the apartment. Jack and Wendy's apartment what it

674
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 6>looked like as well. Then it leads into the two

675
00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.320
<v Speaker 6>thirty seven model of the bathroom really.

676
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Played into the culture then there huh yeah.

677
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 6>But they don't support like Stanley Kubrick's movie that They're

678
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 6>like at the end of the tour, they were like, oh,

679
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:11.280
<v Speaker 6>there's a download code for the uh the Shiny Mini

680
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.280
<v Speaker 6>series by Stephen King. I was like, nobody wants to

681
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:15.519
<v Speaker 6>watch that, bro, But.

682
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know. I didn't take the tower there. I

683
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 2>had daylight burning. And the one thing I noticed on

684
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the way driving there was there was some excellent fishing

685
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.480
<v Speaker 2>spots right off the roadway.

686
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.119
<v Speaker 6>It's a beautiful Estes Park is a beautiful area to

687
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 6>It's a.

688
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>It be literally play your car off and catch from

689
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 2>trout right there in the Rocky in the rivers of

690
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.679
<v Speaker 2>the Rocky Mountains five feet walk from your car.

691
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

692
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's really beautiful up there. It's kind of like

693
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 6>it's a small mountaintown. The downtown area is really beautiful.

694
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.480
<v Speaker 6>I wouldn't go up there in the winter, though, Like

695
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 6>you're those mountains traveling up through there, dude, sure.

696
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:57.199
<v Speaker 2>That far like miles wise. But yeah, and some snowy weather,

697
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it could feel like forever. I bet those winding.

698
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.320
<v Speaker 6>Roads there are some winders up there. You gotta take

699
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:05.639
<v Speaker 6>that side wind or snow cat up and up in

700
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 6>those mountains. Which then makes you think of like, how

701
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 6>did they build this giant hotel up there? That had

702
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:15.559
<v Speaker 6>to take a lot of time to to build that hotel.

703
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.880
<v Speaker 6>And there's also tunnels sure underneath the hotel as well.

704
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Interesting at the Stanley Hotel, of.

705
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.400
<v Speaker 6>Course, is they could there's there's tunnels that lead to

706
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 6>the uh because the staff back in the day would

707
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.320
<v Speaker 6>actually stay on location if they worked there. They would

708
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 6>stay in like little cottages like right off the side

709
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 6>of the If you've been there, you just see all

710
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.800
<v Speaker 6>those cottages and where like the maids and the people

711
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 6>that worked there would stay. And they had like a

712
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.840
<v Speaker 6>tunnel system that would go from the house that they

713
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 6>would stay out on the property into the hotel.

714
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 2>What was that always a hotel?

715
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Was that?

716
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Was it a Stanley Steamer folks residents or that they

717
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.159
<v Speaker 2>just built that. The Stanley Steamer folks built that as

718
00:40:58.199 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 2>a hotel.

719
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 6>I believe they built it as a hotel, but I

720
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 6>could be wrong. I don't really know my history that well.

721
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Because it is it is out there. I mean, you

722
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 2>make a good point. Logistically speaking, that would not have

723
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.079
<v Speaker 2>been an easy thing to build, especially that time.

724
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:18.199
<v Speaker 6>It would be really rough. And apparently whenever Stephen King

725
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:20.760
<v Speaker 6>went to because that's where you got the inspiration to

726
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:24.119
<v Speaker 6>actually write the book, was at the Stanley Hotel and

727
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 6>it was during like the off season, and a lot

728
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 6>of the rooms were like, you know, closed down. There

729
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 6>was very few people there. They had one bartender, and

730
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.039
<v Speaker 6>I believe that Lloyd the Bartender is actually based off

731
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 6>of a real bartender that was bartending at the Stanley Hotel.

732
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I thought you were all a

733
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:54.559
<v Speaker 2>hallucination explanation of Lloyd the Bartender was more of a

734
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 2>greater context of that character because again relying on the

735
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>paranormal aspects of thatcharacter. It's one of the things I

736
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.559
<v Speaker 2>guess I didn't like, you know, watching the Shining originally

737
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>with some of the goat like this whole ghostly aspect

738
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.360
<v Speaker 2>of Lloyd the Bartender in the whole ballroom experience. But

739
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.440
<v Speaker 2>it seems like that the illucinogenic aspect that you all

740
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.079
<v Speaker 2>present seems to make more sense to me.

741
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.360
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and you have real life explanations of that. With

742
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:23.159
<v Speaker 6>Frank Olson. There's an entire Netflix documentary it's about you know,

743
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:25.360
<v Speaker 6>Frank Olson and what they did to him is spiking

744
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 6>his drink with LSD and then he jumped off the

745
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, the out of the window of his hotel

746
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 6>room and died. There's uh, you know, that's some of

747
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.360
<v Speaker 6>the things that happened to these army personnel as well,

748
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 6>that they would be unknowingly dosed with LSD. They were

749
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:44.960
<v Speaker 6>told that they were going to be a part of

750
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.840
<v Speaker 6>these experiments. They would get LSD aerosol, they were told

751
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.480
<v Speaker 6>to in Helle LSD aerosol and then they would be

752
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, a lot of those people ended up ending

753
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.840
<v Speaker 6>their lives as well because they couldn't handle it.

754
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Was that Operation Midnight Climax Activities.

755
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:01.639
<v Speaker 6>That was one of them.

756
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 5>This one was.

757
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I Can't l and the John's something All or Else, Something.

758
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 6>Clall Problem, Clall Claw House or Ravens No Ravens. Craig

759
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 6>was at in Canada with doctor Hugh and Cameron, which

760
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 6>we also bring up in the documentary that created this

761
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 6>psychic driving aspect to implant thoughts and ideas in the

762
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 6>people's heads to make them do things that they otherwise

763
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 6>normally wouldn't do after they had been traumatized. Which that's

764
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 6>one factual. You can there's documentation of that, and several

765
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 6>of the people that went through that actually sued the

766
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.559
<v Speaker 6>Canadian government for those experiments that you and Cameron was

767
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.800
<v Speaker 6>doing it Ravens, Craig and uh in Canada.

768
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.039
<v Speaker 2>But that was a great point you made there with

769
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>with Cameron, and I didn't know I was going to

770
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>ask you actually because immediately brought up to mind something

771
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.280
<v Speaker 2>about clockwork orange in camera and that he was intentionally

772
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>putting some of these things into the clockwork gorngs for

773
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.360
<v Speaker 2>the Intelligence services. I know, I didn't know if that

774
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:08.920
<v Speaker 2>was something you all had to leave on the cutting

775
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.280
<v Speaker 2>room floor. Getting more into that subject behind the clockwork

776
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.920
<v Speaker 2>gorngs and the intelligence services aspect of apparently putting these

777
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.639
<v Speaker 2>things into the into the storyline. Apparently there was a

778
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.639
<v Speaker 2>there was a biographer I guess, that documented this about

779
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Burgess's life, where supposedly the intelligencies had insisted that

780
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:29.559
<v Speaker 2>he inserts these aspects into the story. Basically write a

781
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 2>science fiction story based on these these details of these

782
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Ewan Cameron, my you know, mind control and chaultry

783
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>experiments that you see in the clockwork gorngs, right, the

784
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.800
<v Speaker 2>horror and terror terror experiments where they they keep the

785
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:44.480
<v Speaker 2>old boy's eyes open, right.

786
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:49.000
<v Speaker 6>And they're putting the LSDI dropper into his eyes and

787
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.119
<v Speaker 6>then make him watch all these movies that control his

788
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:56.280
<v Speaker 6>personality and control his behavior. Yeah, there's been a lot

789
00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 6>of military and intelligence involvement with movies going back a

790
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.679
<v Speaker 6>really long time. We you know, talk about at the

791
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:06.280
<v Speaker 6>end of two thousand and one of Space Odyssey, Stanley

792
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 6>Kubrick thinked all of these big intelligence agencies Air Force Intelligence, DARPA, Langley, Virginia,

793
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 6>and then they were all cut out at the end of.

794
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>The movie.

795
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.800
<v Speaker 6>And we also show documents that the intelligence community has

796
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.719
<v Speaker 6>been involved with movies going back to you know, through

797
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 6>FOURIO requests, people have found that, you know, they were

798
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.840
<v Speaker 6>involved in the Transformers movies. And it's kind of a

799
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:41.480
<v Speaker 6>known thing now, but back in nineteen sixty eight, when

800
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:45.880
<v Speaker 6>two thousand and one A Space Odyssey came out, no

801
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.039
<v Speaker 6>one sure knew that that could even be a thing.

802
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely different time, right, propaganda wise, different time from what

803
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 2>folks understood in the public for sure. Yeah, the uh yeah. Uh,

804
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 2>but you know, so speaking of Cameron, I was actually

805
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 2>just talking about Cameron last night on a on a

806
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>just randomly on a show discussing the Process and Nexium

807
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and how I have this theory that the Albany chapter

808
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.880
<v Speaker 2>of the Process, which was confirmed by their own admission

809
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:21.360
<v Speaker 2>to never close, morphed into the Nexium cult. And there

810
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.639
<v Speaker 2>was a neurologist that was working for Nexium out of Albany,

811
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>New York, same same town that doctor Cameron was out

812
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:30.320
<v Speaker 2>of for his uh you know, much of his career.

813
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>That he was even running some of those experiments in

814
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Montreal where when he was commuting there from Albany, you know,

815
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, to and from multiple days at a time.

816
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 2>But uh, this next time neurologist got lost his license

817
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 2>for doing these exact same experiments, these horror and terror experiments,

818
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 2>forcing subject's eyes open to watch these just membering of

819
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 2>bodies and et cetera, et cetera, And he got he

820
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 2>got busted by the state Medical Board for doing over

821
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.719
<v Speaker 2>to doing this to over two hundred subjects. So these

822
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.960
<v Speaker 2>experiments seem to be still going on today in the

823
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:04.280
<v Speaker 2>same cities, involving doctors that you know that may not

824
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 2>have known you and camera but operating in the same

825
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 2>locations as camera cameras operating with the same experiments. I

826
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 2>just think that's as a fascinating thing that these things

827
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:13.599
<v Speaker 2>may still be going on.

828
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Well.

829
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.719
<v Speaker 6>A lot of the a lot of the intelligence community

830
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.280
<v Speaker 6>was involved with these types of experiments, and Navy was

831
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:24.400
<v Speaker 6>involved with them. The intelligence had this experiment that was

832
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.079
<v Speaker 6>called the Ames Leaf Room where you would go in

833
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 6>and you would be dosed with LSD and the walls

834
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.159
<v Speaker 6>would be like sort or covered in like leaves. It

835
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.719
<v Speaker 6>would look like a fall out there and then they

836
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.760
<v Speaker 6>would essentially go crazy inside of this room. They would

837
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.360
<v Speaker 6>put these goggles on them that would like change their vision,

838
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.480
<v Speaker 6>and then they would end up at the emergency room,

839
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 6>like you know, basically in some form of psychosis, and

840
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 6>the entire hospital wings have been opened up for these

841
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:57.400
<v Speaker 6>experiments in Washington, d C. During this time that the

842
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 6>mk ulture programs were going on. They basically just leased

843
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.119
<v Speaker 6>a lot of these experiments to private contractors and like

844
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 6>government contractors almost exactly like what they do to this

845
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.719
<v Speaker 6>very day with any kind of advanced technology that they

846
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:14.800
<v Speaker 6>don't actually really want to be working with. They just

847
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 6>sublease out that contract to a government contractor, because the

848
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.440
<v Speaker 6>government contractor is not under any kind of you can't

849
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 6>foller requests the government contractor like Raytheon, like these Bigelow

850
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 6>Aerospace and SRI International, like they're under no responsibility to

851
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:37.239
<v Speaker 6>provide any kind of documentation to anything that they do.

852
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 6>So that's right, yep. So when you come knocking on

853
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 6>the government store for a four yer request, they can

854
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:50.119
<v Speaker 6>deny that any of those anything ever happened because they

855
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.440
<v Speaker 6>technically didn't on their end, right.

856
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well's speaking of Locale Mountain Labs and Wonderland Air

857
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Force Base. There's the same location but different names the

858
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:02.599
<v Speaker 2>same location.

859
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>You know.

860
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this was originally Like when I

861
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.599
<v Speaker 2>was watching your your movie and you all showed the

862
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:11.000
<v Speaker 2>hotel and I was looking through the hotel pictures and

863
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:13.599
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, and you just triggered. You're comment

864
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.119
<v Speaker 2>there in the Navy trigger you know, in their activities,

865
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.320
<v Speaker 2>not just you know, CIA or Air Force or whatnot.

866
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Navy is also involved in these things that triggered two

867
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:25.239
<v Speaker 2>thoughts here. So now Jared Leto owns that that facility,

868
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>right he But between in between it being Jared Leto's

869
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:34.119
<v Speaker 2>home and the Wonderland Air Force Base. It was one

870
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 2>of these kind of reprogramming facilities, right, Yeah, that's.

871
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's kind of under contention a little bit. And

872
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.599
<v Speaker 6>I mean we do know that the Lookout Air Mountain

873
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:51.119
<v Speaker 6>Air Force Base was you know, used for making hundreds

874
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 6>and hundreds of films. I mean, you can just google Lookout,

875
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.039
<v Speaker 6>Moulin Air Force Base and on Laurel Canyon you can

876
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:01.199
<v Speaker 6>see that there's thousands of moves and films that were

877
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 6>made Lookout that are still classified to this very day.

878
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:10.440
<v Speaker 6>But high some of these actors had high ranking, top

879
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.119
<v Speaker 6>security clearance for the place. There was there was a

880
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 6>fallout shelter there. Marilyn Monroe had top secret security clearance,

881
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:22.119
<v Speaker 6>James Stewart carry Grant, Ronald Reagan had top secret security

882
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:26.360
<v Speaker 6>clearance for the place. And no one knows, but yeah,

883
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:32.159
<v Speaker 6>I'm pretty sure, I think Sinatra. Yeah, and no one

884
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:36.960
<v Speaker 6>really knows exactly what was going on, like because all

885
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:43.599
<v Speaker 6>the footage is still classified. Uh now, and we know

886
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:45.239
<v Speaker 6>for a fact that that's where a lot of these

887
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 6>atomic bomb tasts took place there. They you know that

888
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 6>it was done on all models. It wasn't actual footage

889
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.480
<v Speaker 6>of atomic bombs like it was done on modeled sets,

890
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.239
<v Speaker 6>and that's a really big shocker to people that aren't

891
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:05.079
<v Speaker 6>aware of that, uh sure to begin with, and who

892
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.280
<v Speaker 6>knows exactly what went on up there by it? I

893
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 6>would have to Someone said the other day that Jared

894
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:14.320
<v Speaker 6>Leto doesn't own Lookout Mountain anymore. But I don't know

895
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 6>if he was just a trollers, you know.

896
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.199
<v Speaker 2>I actually had someone mentioned that to me recently when

897
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned him only two and I did look it up,

898
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and from my record, this is probably three months ago

899
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>when that occurred. When I looked at it, then it

900
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:27.639
<v Speaker 2>looked like he was still he still owned it. But

901
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.760
<v Speaker 2>this and this is Jared Leedo here in this picture

902
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>inside one of the rooms there on the on the property.

903
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.039
<v Speaker 2>This room I think was actually maintained from the original

904
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 2>hotel through the Air Force base on to the Letto ownership.

905
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think that's interesting that they maintained

906
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.079
<v Speaker 2>some of this, some of the space like that it

907
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of had that kind of reminded me of something

908
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.719
<v Speaker 2>you'd see out of the shining, out of the shining

909
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>in the Overlook Hotel. Just this room in general and

910
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of the decor. But interestingly enough, this fella here

911
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.920
<v Speaker 2>on the couch, Letto in the blue shirt. This fellow

912
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>here in the couch talking to him is gil Garcetti.

913
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.199
<v Speaker 2>It then he was at the time he was there.

914
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Now he's currently the US Ambassador to India. But when

915
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned the Navy being involved in these activities, well

916
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:12.840
<v Speaker 2>there's naval officer gil Garsabi, so activities there.

917
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.599
<v Speaker 6>It still looks like he's still owns it. I don't

918
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.360
<v Speaker 6>know what those people were talking about.

919
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Troll, you know when you got you got this

920
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:23.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of naval officer hanging out there right now? I

921
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 2>agree with you writter, that's pretty yah. There seems to

922
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.519
<v Speaker 2>be a cover up of people not wanting to know

923
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:29.559
<v Speaker 2>the Letto still owns this. I don't know if it's

924
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 2>the Jesus cult business a Letto engages himself in. But

925
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.400
<v Speaker 2>he's an interesting character because he sits at that epicenter

926
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.239
<v Speaker 2>of rock and roll star and a list actor, right,

927
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:40.719
<v Speaker 2>that's not a very Those are qualifications a lot of

928
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.639
<v Speaker 2>folks don't have on their scorecards, so to speak.

929
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and that's uh. I think he won an oscar?

930
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.840
<v Speaker 6>Didn't he win an Oscar for Dollas Buyers Club with

931
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:53.239
<v Speaker 6>Matthew McConaughey as a supporting actor for sure.

932
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:56.079
<v Speaker 2>And uh, I just think it's weird that when you

933
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 2>mentioned that the Navy intels stuff, like, yeah, I mean

934
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:00.800
<v Speaker 2>you got a naval officer here was just hanging out

935
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.679
<v Speaker 2>up there at doing got you know, maybe he's doing

936
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 2>mayor stuff. Who knows, maybe he's doing Navy intail stuff.

937
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>God knows what they're up to.

938
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.760
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, and the Navy being a part of a

939
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 6>lot of this stuff. Like Jim Morrison's dad was a

940
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Speaker 6>Navy intelligence officer, was responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin

941
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.039
<v Speaker 6>false flag incident that led to the Vietnam War that

942
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.559
<v Speaker 6>killed thousands of people. Bob Marley's father was a British

943
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 6>naval commander. Sharon Tates was a then of course you got.

944
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Sharon Tates. Seat's a good when he was

945
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 2>a lieutenant colonel, right, yeah, y Army intel.

946
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what's his name? Lived up in Laurel Canyon. I'm

947
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.119
<v Speaker 6>blinking on his name right now. But all these people,

948
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.960
<v Speaker 6>they they have military connections, Like all the that came

949
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 6>up out of this Laurel Canyon scene all had family

950
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:59.079
<v Speaker 6>members or fathers that were somehow high ranking military officers

951
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:01.760
<v Speaker 6>and when you look at that and then they're like,

952
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:03.639
<v Speaker 6>oh crap. This is the reason why a lot of

953
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:05.960
<v Speaker 6>these people they were just able to go wild and

954
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:07.960
<v Speaker 6>do whatever they wanted because they knew that they weren't

955
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 6>going to get into any real trouble. They was just

956
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.960
<v Speaker 6>going to be immediately let out because their dad was

957
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.920
<v Speaker 6>these high ranking military officers.

958
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.000
<v Speaker 2>It's funny. It's funny you mentioned that because you got

959
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:20.239
<v Speaker 2>you guys like the epicenter of all those those called

960
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Frank Zappa.

961
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's Frank Zappa. Sorry, you got so much stuff

962
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:26.280
<v Speaker 6>in my head that I need to remember, but Frank Zappa. Yeah,

963
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:27.599
<v Speaker 6>as well, that's why I was.

964
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Not I think, yes, that was a good one. But

965
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Papa John Phillips his father a career Marine Corps officer.

966
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.280
<v Speaker 2>He himself attended the Naval Academy. He's not an easy

967
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:38.199
<v Speaker 2>place to get into before he dropped out and became

968
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:41.360
<v Speaker 2>a you know, the Laurel Canyan rock superstar. But according

969
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:41.960
<v Speaker 2>to the i n S.

970
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 1>He was.

971
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 2>He was a nine S report. He was financing the

972
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:49.960
<v Speaker 2>activities of the Processed Church there in Serra nineteen sixty seven.

973
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.400
<v Speaker 2>There in Los Angeles, believe sixty eight in Los Angeles,

974
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>So he's even connected to these things. And speaking of

975
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.440
<v Speaker 2>folks who get in trouble and don't get in trouble,

976
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:01.519
<v Speaker 2>he got busted for cocaine trafficking in nineteen eighty served

977
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.880
<v Speaker 2>two weeks at a minimum security prison in Pennsylvania for

978
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.119
<v Speaker 2>cocaine trafficking at the height of the cocaine epidemic, right

979
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.360
<v Speaker 2>like the crack epidemic situation. It's for fosters to think

980
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody would walk during that time. But sure enough, these

981
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 2>people that do have these family connections and in this

982
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:18.320
<v Speaker 2>scene they seem to walk.

983
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, then you have like you know, of course, connections

984
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.800
<v Speaker 6>with the Jolly West as well and all the activities

985
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:31.159
<v Speaker 6>the Jolly West was into two he was actually Jolly

986
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:35.400
<v Speaker 6>West was actually involved with this, uh, this project called

987
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.199
<v Speaker 6>the I think it was called the Violence Project. You

988
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 6>guts familiar with this where Jolly West was essentially would

989
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 6>take people when they when they get out of prison

990
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 6>and put electrodes in their brain too and like essentially

991
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.199
<v Speaker 6>can't capacitate them if they go into an area where

992
00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:58.400
<v Speaker 6>they're not supposed to go and the police would come

993
00:55:58.599 --> 00:55:59.559
<v Speaker 6>and pick them up.

994
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 2>The it was called not know about that, but it

995
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:04.519
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a shot like almost like a shot color

996
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:05.239
<v Speaker 2>or something.

997
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.559
<v Speaker 6>That's exactly what it was. It was. I'm pretty sure

998
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 6>it was like you see uc LA violence project, and

999
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:17.000
<v Speaker 6>the project was approved by Ronald Reagan, but then they

1000
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.400
<v Speaker 6>kind of shut it down before it got up off

1001
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:25.320
<v Speaker 6>of the ground. And you know, Jolly West is also

1002
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:34.559
<v Speaker 6>known to have spiked people's drinks with LSD wh it

1003
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.719
<v Speaker 6>was involved with the Kennedy assassination. Like, it's just wild,

1004
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:42.760
<v Speaker 6>like all the different connections to like all these people,

1005
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.639
<v Speaker 6>like the robbit hole goes so freaking deep, dude, like, and.

1006
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:46.239
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1007
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:49.920
<v Speaker 6>What were they what was their main goal of doing

1008
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.679
<v Speaker 6>all this stuff back in the day. I mean, it's

1009
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 6>like desensitization, normalization. It's like exactly what jury buzman Off

1010
00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 6>was talking about, which we have a clip in our

1011
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 6>documentary of yourrbuzmanof talking about it. Whenever you know, Kathy

1012
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 6>O'Brien talks about the MK ultra being put into the

1013
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 6>into the school system to subvert the entire country and

1014
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:11.199
<v Speaker 6>subvert the ideology of you know, the people that are

1015
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:13.920
<v Speaker 6>now in the school system because when they grow up

1016
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.639
<v Speaker 6>twenty years later, they're going to be into the positions

1017
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 6>of power. And if we can control their minds and

1018
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:22.800
<v Speaker 6>control their thoughts and their ideas, now we'll be able

1019
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:26.800
<v Speaker 6>to infiltrate and basically do whatever we want later on,

1020
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 6>because we've already put this Mark cist Leninism ideology into

1021
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:33.719
<v Speaker 6>all these people's heads in the school system in the eighties.

1022
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:36.599
<v Speaker 6>So when these eighties kids grow up, they're going to

1023
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:38.239
<v Speaker 6>be the ones that are running the country and will

1024
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:39.960
<v Speaker 6>effectively have been able to control them.

1025
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Se he's pretty successful, absolutely, I think so.

1026
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:46.360
<v Speaker 6>I mean, if you go back and listen to the

1027
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 6>jury Buzmanoff discussions, like they're literally spot on to exactly

1028
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 6>what's happening right now.

1029
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:57.440
<v Speaker 2>For sure, Yeah, is that too fair?

1030
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.159
<v Speaker 6>And I think people they they'll listen to that and

1031
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.159
<v Speaker 6>they'll kind of be like, oh, well, you know this

1032
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.199
<v Speaker 6>is this sounds like exactly what's happening. But there's a

1033
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:14.440
<v Speaker 6>deeper meaning, and there's a deeper layer of how it

1034
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:19.280
<v Speaker 6>actually works and the things in the techniques and the

1035
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:26.320
<v Speaker 6>psyche driving and the traumatization that you know, they can

1036
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 6>put people through to in order to influence their behavior

1037
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.360
<v Speaker 6>surrounding any event. You know, and when you look back

1038
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.800
<v Speaker 6>through the United States and all these events that have happened.

1039
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:42.800
<v Speaker 6>You see them as collective traumatizations, and then restrictions get

1040
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 6>tighter after those collective traumatizations. I mean, we're still living

1041
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:52.119
<v Speaker 6>out the exact same kind of processes that happened after

1042
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 6>nine to eleven in the Patriot Act. That stuff never

1043
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:59.639
<v Speaker 6>went away. We still got to take our shoes off

1044
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.679
<v Speaker 6>whenever we go before we go on a plan, and

1045
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 6>we still got to go through a freaking metal detector,

1046
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 6>so I got to get our body scanned by these

1047
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 6>freaking X ray machines. So and those never went away,

1048
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:12.679
<v Speaker 6>still there.

1049
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Yeah, I mean it's, uh, that's kind of the

1050
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:21.280
<v Speaker 2>case always with security, you know, elements into these kind

1051
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.559
<v Speaker 2>of uh, these communist ideals, right, it's it's never an

1052
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.559
<v Speaker 2>extension of liberty ever involved in these communist ideals. And

1053
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I think we all identified a lot with the the

1054
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 2>epicenter of the the in your film, with the epicenter

1055
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 2>of the intelligence and you know, again with like folks

1056
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 2>like sir, on the epicenter of intelligence cults, you know,

1057
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:42.920
<v Speaker 2>this mind control aspects to further these communist ideals that

1058
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, because it's it's these cults that profess these

1059
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:50.320
<v Speaker 2>communist ideals again, Sir Han was documented to be attendance

1060
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 2>of numerous processed church sex magic rituals. Believe as how

1061
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 2>it was phrased in the I and S document was yeah, yep,

1062
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.599
<v Speaker 2>according to the unasked investigation there at the time he

1063
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 2>was he was allegedly involved and the process was spotted

1064
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:11.320
<v Speaker 2>outside the Ambassador Hotel. They're they're that night there when

1065
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Kendy was shot, and not the only connection. There's a

1066
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of other connections there within the process to that

1067
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 2>immediate scene. I'm just saying like there was members with

1068
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the German Shepherds and the robe spotted there, So it's

1069
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.800
<v Speaker 2>not it's not a great influence even assumed that they

1070
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:27.639
<v Speaker 2>might have been there, because they were in fact seen there,

1071
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.000
<v Speaker 2>so by numerous you know, at least that's the story

1072
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:32.440
<v Speaker 2>by numerous witnesses of the scene.

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01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:38.280
<v Speaker 6>It's so interesting how the Sirhan the ballistic evidence for

1075
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:44.000
<v Speaker 6>the San Saran assassination of RFK is missing from the

1076
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:48.639
<v Speaker 6>National archives, just like how the ballistic evidence from the

1077
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:52.760
<v Speaker 6>JFK assassination is also missing from the National archives.

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01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:55.480
<v Speaker 2>That was a great point there was we included Walton

1079
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:58.000
<v Speaker 2>was a Walter Bosley. He uh had some good points

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01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.719
<v Speaker 2>there on the Sirhan stuff that is DeFi IO. Yeah,

1081
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.039
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of the reason why some of

1082
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:04.800
<v Speaker 2>that stuff is still under wraps of this intelligence control,

1083
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:08.559
<v Speaker 2>the political stranglehold on folks. For example, the guy that

1084
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.199
<v Speaker 2>picked up Kennedy's Robert Kennedy's body from the floor, and

1085
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the ambassador who was there with him a congressman out

1086
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.159
<v Speaker 2>of New York because at the time he was a

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01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.440
<v Speaker 2>center from New York. Right, the RFK was congressman out

1088
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Speaker 2>of there in New York. Al Lowenstein was with him

1089
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.880
<v Speaker 2>on that trip. He was holding them picking up his

1090
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.920
<v Speaker 2>body there from the from the floor. Lohenstein's sons deep

1091
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.039
<v Speaker 2>up in the Clinton State Department. So these people are

1092
01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.960
<v Speaker 2>still in control today as far as politically speaking and

1093
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:35.000
<v Speaker 2>intelligence speaking. As far as folks related to these scenes,

1094
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying Al Lowenstein had anything to do with

1095
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.079
<v Speaker 2>rfk's death, although he did die a suspicious death himself,

1096
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:42.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, not all that long afterwards.

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01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:47.920
<v Speaker 6>So, and RFK was running against LBJ, which, after the

1098
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:53.159
<v Speaker 6>supposed assassination of JFK, LBJ famously wanted nothing to do

1099
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.360
<v Speaker 6>with the Kennedy family, right, And then RFK designed to

1100
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.119
<v Speaker 6>run and he was going to win. It was gonna win.

1101
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's what the celebration was. Right at the

1102
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Ambassador Hotel. War On allegedly shot him, even though, like

1103
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:11.119
<v Speaker 2>you said, the the forensics evidence paints a different narrative,

1104
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty clear different narrative. But yeah, he he was celebrating

1105
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.239
<v Speaker 2>them winning the California primary, which solidified his, uh, his

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01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.000
<v Speaker 2>nomination for the sixty eight election.

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01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:22.480
<v Speaker 5>That's right.

1108
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:25.400
<v Speaker 2>And y'all mentioned Son of Sam as well, now that

1109
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I think about, y'all mentioned Son of Sam there in

1110
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:29.519
<v Speaker 2>your in your film in some of these mind control

1111
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:32.920
<v Speaker 2>SIP assassin type situations, especially relative to the notions of

1112
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:36.719
<v Speaker 2>LSD and whatnot. That's correct. Beatles were definitely part of

1113
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the process, the uh, which I thought was interesting because

1114
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.920
<v Speaker 2>a character perpetrating the syop narrative of the son of Sam.

1115
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:47.360
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's what the publications were, at least

1116
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:49.039
<v Speaker 2>in the newspapers was a sy op and in of

1117
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:53.320
<v Speaker 2>itself part of the operation. But that fellow was another then, uh,

1118
01:02:54.159 --> 01:03:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Chuck New York Post New York Daily News reporter. I

1119
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:01.480
<v Speaker 2>can't think of his name right now, but he was

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01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:03.480
<v Speaker 2>on the scene there as well. In the Ambassador Hotel

1121
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:05.840
<v Speaker 2>with r f K reporting on that event.

1122
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:12.760
<v Speaker 6>As the story goes, Yeah, then you James Jesus Angleton,

1123
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.159
<v Speaker 6>you know, broke into Mary pinchow Meyer's house and like

1124
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:22.360
<v Speaker 6>stole or diary which Mary pinchow Meyer was a mistress

1125
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:28.679
<v Speaker 6>of JFK. And there's a there's a lot of strange

1126
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:35.280
<v Speaker 6>connections with James Jesus Jesus Angleton. I there was a

1127
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.079
<v Speaker 6>part of the documentary that kind of had to be cut,

1128
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 6>so you're getting a fresh, something new here. James Jesus

1129
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:56.079
<v Speaker 6>Angleton was Walter Bosley's mentor's mentor, and our documentary JFK

1130
01:03:56.519 --> 01:04:01.440
<v Speaker 6>X talks about Mary pinchow Meyer and James Jesus Singleton

1131
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.079
<v Speaker 6>was involved with that. And after Mary pinchroll Meyer was

1132
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:10.920
<v Speaker 6>killed on the DC Towpath, she was supposedly shot to death.

1133
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.599
<v Speaker 6>Right after that, James Jesus Singleton broke into Mary pinchow

1134
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:20.480
<v Speaker 6>Myer's house or her apartment and stole her diary and

1135
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.199
<v Speaker 6>like pretty much raided her entire house, which is very

1136
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.559
<v Speaker 6>similar to what happened to Stanley Kubrick after he died.

1137
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:31.079
<v Speaker 6>There were men that showed up to Stanley Kubrick's house

1138
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:35.440
<v Speaker 6>that were basically raiding his house and taking things out.

1139
01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, do you think that the Mary Pinchow Myerst was

1140
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:43.239
<v Speaker 2>connected to the LSD type experiments because she was close with.

1141
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:46.880
<v Speaker 6>Supposedly him and her and JFK were you were tripping

1142
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:48.360
<v Speaker 6>in LSD at the White House.

1143
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, Well she was tight with Learry, So that

1144
01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:53.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of makes something. It almost makes sense.

1145
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:57.440
<v Speaker 6>That might have been the calls for you know, JFK

1146
01:04:57.599 --> 01:04:58.199
<v Speaker 6>to do.

1147
01:04:58.599 --> 01:04:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1148
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:01.480
<v Speaker 6>I mean, that's what's been your eyes is that is

1149
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.159
<v Speaker 6>kind of what gave JFK like a change of heart there.

1150
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:07.639
<v Speaker 6>And he started, you know, not wanting to be involved

1151
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.079
<v Speaker 6>in these wars and not wanting to send funding to

1152
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.480
<v Speaker 6>all these other countries and you know, prop up these wars,

1153
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:17.440
<v Speaker 6>not wanting to support the Vietnam War and id you

1154
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:20.679
<v Speaker 6>know the bayf pigs incident in Qubro. JFK famously pulled

1155
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:24.159
<v Speaker 6>out that whole thing, which then in turn, you know,

1156
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:25.719
<v Speaker 6>pissed off the CIA.

1157
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

1158
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:27.719
<v Speaker 6>Wow.

1159
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:30.199
<v Speaker 2>And then what Kathy O'Brien says in your movie that

1160
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:33.559
<v Speaker 2>that there's too much focus on the use of LSD

1161
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 2>because LSD they found out in the in these mk

1162
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:40.440
<v Speaker 2>ulture style monitor program style operations, they found out LSD

1163
01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:42.679
<v Speaker 2>was opening up neuro pathways instead of closing them when

1164
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.320
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to close neuro pathways in order to induce

1165
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:46.239
<v Speaker 2>the trauma.

1166
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.679
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there were several drugs that were used within the

1167
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:52.440
<v Speaker 6>mk ulture programs. We actually show a list of them

1168
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:55.719
<v Speaker 6>all in our documentary, and there's sure I think over

1169
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:59.400
<v Speaker 6>a hundred of them, everything from freaking nicotine to caffeine

1170
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:09.360
<v Speaker 6>to show to antipsychotics, antidepressants, adderall rittilin math like any stimulant,

1171
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:14.079
<v Speaker 6>any downer. And I think that LSD could be used

1172
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:17.519
<v Speaker 6>in a really intense way, just like I was mentioning

1173
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.320
<v Speaker 6>the army personnel earlier. It was a drug called BEZ

1174
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.960
<v Speaker 6>which was one hundred times more powerful than LSD. And

1175
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:28.679
<v Speaker 6>when that's applied and it opens up those neuron pathways,

1176
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:34.880
<v Speaker 6>then you can infect effectively implant things that may or

1177
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:40.159
<v Speaker 6>may not be real into the subconscious of the patient

1178
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.360
<v Speaker 6>more easily because the mind is completely opened, you know,

1179
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:46.800
<v Speaker 6>the doorway is open. So therefore you can put whatever

1180
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:50.079
<v Speaker 6>you want inside of the heads of those people. And

1181
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:53.159
<v Speaker 6>that's what you and Cameron was essentially doing in Canada,

1182
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:58.199
<v Speaker 6>was he was traumatizing the patients. He was then drugging

1183
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 6>them and then he was putting in a looped repeated

1184
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:07.039
<v Speaker 6>audio message to implant this thought and this idea into

1185
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:10.039
<v Speaker 6>their head. And really nobody knows exactly what was on

1186
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:13.079
<v Speaker 6>those looped audio recorded messages, but it could it could

1187
01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:15.920
<v Speaker 6>literally be anything. But what would be the more advanced

1188
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.920
<v Speaker 6>version of doing that? You can do it with a

1189
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:22.519
<v Speaker 6>looped audio message, Well can you do it with a TV?

1190
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.159
<v Speaker 6>Can you wheel or freaking TV in there and do

1191
01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:29.400
<v Speaker 6>the same thing and also give them audio and visual?

1192
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:31.960
<v Speaker 6>Then what's the next step after that? The next step

1193
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:37.360
<v Speaker 6>after that would be virtual reality headset goggles. So you

1194
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:41.280
<v Speaker 6>traumatize the patient, you drug them, and then you put

1195
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:46.760
<v Speaker 6>these goggles over their head that artificially simulates an entire

1196
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.079
<v Speaker 6>reality and the person is not going to know if

1197
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.400
<v Speaker 6>this is real or this is fake.

1198
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Sure makes sense to me, the immersive experience of the

1199
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:56.320
<v Speaker 2>VR goggles.

1200
01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:59.760
<v Speaker 6>Sure, I mean some people think that the VR goggles

1201
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.199
<v Speaker 6>are real. They don't even need to be drugged, you know.

1202
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.760
<v Speaker 6>So imagine if you're on some sort of hallucinogenic drug

1203
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:07.239
<v Speaker 6>and you pull on these fing goggles.

1204
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Sure, No, that's a good that's a good point. And

1205
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I think the designer drug aspect of Kathy O'Brien's statements

1206
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought were most. I took note of that most

1207
01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:17.680
<v Speaker 2>because I do think it's designer drug and I think

1208
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.720
<v Speaker 2>things like GHB, you know, the stuff that Diddy allegedly

1209
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:22.960
<v Speaker 2>was putting in all those those bottles of baby oil.

1210
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 2>I think stuff like GHB has been developed for these

1211
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:29.239
<v Speaker 2>purposes of of some mind you know, my control, you know,

1212
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:31.840
<v Speaker 2>and planting of ideas to the hypnotic state that folks

1213
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:33.359
<v Speaker 2>are under, you know, with that drug.

1214
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:37.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, GHB was used, like and Sydney galliep had a

1215
01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Speaker 6>brother that was a plant biologist, so it it stands

1216
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:46.319
<v Speaker 6>the reason that his brother was more than likely responsible

1217
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:51.319
<v Speaker 6>for a lot of the manufacturing of these CIA designer drugs.

1218
01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:55.840
<v Speaker 6>Like Kathy was talking about in the movie, like, let's

1219
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 6>just try and whip up whatever we can to see

1220
01:08:58.000 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 6>what kind of effects that these are going to have

1221
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:03.720
<v Speaker 6>on these uh, these these victims. You know, Like that's

1222
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:06.760
<v Speaker 6>where a lot of these drugs actually came from to

1223
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:10.439
<v Speaker 6>begin with, before they were you know, given to the public.

1224
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:14.279
<v Speaker 6>They came from these experiments.

1225
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:14.479
<v Speaker 5>By the c I A.

1226
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, LST was an accident, right.

1227
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.960
<v Speaker 6>There's so much stuff to I mean, the one of

1228
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:22.720
<v Speaker 6>the first dish.

1229
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Was aiming to do something else though, right Like, he

1230
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:27.520
<v Speaker 2>was aiming to do one thing and kind of messed

1231
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:29.439
<v Speaker 2>it up. I guess is the story storyline because he

1232
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:31.800
<v Speaker 2>was he he was riding his home home on his

1233
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:34.960
<v Speaker 2>bike before he realized maybe you have some more some

1234
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:36.079
<v Speaker 2>more details in that rider.

1235
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:39.439
<v Speaker 6>Well, there's a lot of different theories of exactly where

1236
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:42.680
<v Speaker 6>the LSD stuff came from. Some people say that he

1237
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.439
<v Speaker 6>came from like southern California and like Laguna Beach area.

1238
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:52.319
<v Speaker 6>Others say that he came from overseas or you know,

1239
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:59.560
<v Speaker 6>some idea like that. But the first manufacturer of LSD

1240
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:03.199
<v Speaker 6>in the un of States, which was basically signed by

1241
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:06.439
<v Speaker 6>the c i A and by the government to distribute

1242
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:11.520
<v Speaker 6>these the distribute LSD, which was Eli Lilly and Company.

1243
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:19.239
<v Speaker 6>They also were the first manufacturers of prozac as well, so.

1244
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:23.560
<v Speaker 2>They beat so they beat out laboratories with the LSD.

1245
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Was the Eli Lilly.

1246
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.319
<v Speaker 6>Yes, from from my understanding and from my research, uh,

1247
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:33.800
<v Speaker 6>they they were the first manufacturers of LSD. Well, the

1248
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:37.880
<v Speaker 6>first people that had a contract the government to manufacture

1249
01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:42.000
<v Speaker 6>LSD for the government. They might they may not have

1250
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:44.840
<v Speaker 6>been the first manufacturer of it ever, but they were

1251
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:48.920
<v Speaker 6>the first that had a government contract to manufacture for them.

1252
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.520
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense. There was a comment about Albert hoff

1253
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:53.800
<v Speaker 2>and that was the guy I was thinking of there

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, as the story, as the legend goes,

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01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:01.800
<v Speaker 2>the accidentally sent the sized LSD and believe is how

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<v Speaker 2>the tale goes.

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<v Speaker 6>And where was that was? It was that in California

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01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:06.479
<v Speaker 6>or Hoffman?

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01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:09.399
<v Speaker 2>I think I thought it was maybe a British fella.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be wrong. Yeah, he was always he was Swiss,

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01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was. He's allegedly the first to synthesize it,

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01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:22.479
<v Speaker 2>whatever that means, That's what I'm saying. So like even

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<v Speaker 2>even the original founder of last like, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>a natural element. This is a designer drug. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>like it's always seemed like that to me. Where they

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<v Speaker 2>the way they phrase that specifically, the synthesization of synthesizing

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<v Speaker 2>the drug.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that makes sense. And you know, with them tinkering

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01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:44.199
<v Speaker 6>with all these drugs and like all these uh freaking

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01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:48.520
<v Speaker 6>lickxers and stuff. I mean for sure they're using mixtures

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01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.520
<v Speaker 6>of psilocybin and LSD and they're trying to make the

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01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:56.680
<v Speaker 6>LSD even stronger. They're trying to make it psilocybin even

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01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:01.840
<v Speaker 6>stronger and uh, right, using a concoction. They're throwing a

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01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:04.600
<v Speaker 6>concoction together and see, you know what's going to happen.

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01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh, there's a really good even stronger now today.

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01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:12.720
<v Speaker 2>They've even engineered pot to a degree that it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 5>Is there anything else that you wanted to touch on,

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01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:25.800
<v Speaker 5>like some of the things that are on your documentary

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01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:27.439
<v Speaker 5>that you haven't mentioned yet.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Yeah, there's well, there's several things that we can

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<v Speaker 6>really get into. They I mean, I have a whole

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01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:42.640
<v Speaker 6>slide thing here of of all the contuity ours. I

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01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:43.720
<v Speaker 6>don't know if I want to show it or not.

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01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:45.920
<v Speaker 6>People have been complaining that I just keep showing the

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01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.439
<v Speaker 6>same thing over and over again, so they may not

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01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:49.880
<v Speaker 6>have seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't make everybody happy, right, everyone's gonna complain about something.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like, yeah, okay, well we can run through

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01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.039
<v Speaker 6>it really quickly just to give people an idea of

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<v Speaker 6>exactly what's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me trailer too. We never put up Oh yeah,

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01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:07.760
<v Speaker 5>let's watch, let's just drop the trailer all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Behind me with the headquarters for the World War two

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<v Speaker 2>Office of Strategic Service.

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<v Speaker 3>It was here that the first halting steps toward mind

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<v Speaker 3>control began.

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<v Speaker 8>The ten years before Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he

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01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:29.720
<v Speaker 8>made another film. There's a film about Mike and Cool

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01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:30.920
<v Speaker 8>all the clockwork going.

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<v Speaker 6>The Shining is one movie that has really been put

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01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:39.920
<v Speaker 6>through the ringer and one thing that people really don't notice,

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01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:41.760
<v Speaker 6>that doesn't really make a lot of sense.

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01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:46.319
<v Speaker 8>All during the shoot, Kubrick is rewriting the movie.

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01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:50.199
<v Speaker 6>What we see here is Stanley Kubrick trying to encode

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01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:53.880
<v Speaker 6>a secret meaning into The Shining that he doesn't want

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01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:54.840
<v Speaker 6>anyone to know about that.

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01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:00.520
<v Speaker 8>Kubrick has several references to freemasonry and films.

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01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.600
<v Speaker 6>There's a lady that walks past that has a bloody

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01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:05.399
<v Speaker 6>handprint on her ass.

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<v Speaker 8>The Shining is Kubrick's eleventh film, and there's elevens all

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01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:13.920
<v Speaker 8>through the film. Eleven is a special number in occult theology.

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01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:17.000
<v Speaker 6>The Shining has been regarded as one of the greatest

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01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:21.199
<v Speaker 6>horror films ever made, but is it really a horror film.

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01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:24.520
<v Speaker 8>The Shining also is low to a sexual and you

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01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:25.520
<v Speaker 8>end up the.

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<v Speaker 6>Family is isolated up at the overlook, which is a

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01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:34.560
<v Speaker 6>perfect opportunity for some sort of CIA experimentation to go

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01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:35.279
<v Speaker 6>down up.

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01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:46.119
<v Speaker 9>There using mk ultra methods, psycheatrically controlled assassin literally assassins.

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01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:50.960
<v Speaker 9>Experimental drugs, including LSD were administered to human guinea pigs.

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01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.600
<v Speaker 7>The patients were never told that their treatment was part

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01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:56.079
<v Speaker 7>of a CIA experiment.

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01:14:56.359 --> 01:15:00.920
<v Speaker 10>And there was this story which involves him spiking the

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01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.840
<v Speaker 10>drinks of one of his deputies, this guy Frank Olsen,

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01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:09.279
<v Speaker 10>and he jumped out of a window to his death.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a demonic possession, you know. So it makes someone

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01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:18.720
<v Speaker 7>feel like they don't have any control over this etherical

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01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:21.880
<v Speaker 7>entity outside themselves, when really it's the people who are

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01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:24.960
<v Speaker 7>imposing the trauma that need to be held accountable for

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01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:25.680
<v Speaker 7>the actions.

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<v Speaker 9>We know what happened in the apartment that they had.

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<v Speaker 6>There are many clues that point to the fact that

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01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:39.039
<v Speaker 6>this theory of what the Shining is really about is

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01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:40.239
<v Speaker 6>the correct theory.

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01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:43.479
<v Speaker 8>We think that we're watching a horror movie where ghosts

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01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:47.319
<v Speaker 8>are kind of forcing a man to go off and

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01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:48.319
<v Speaker 8>kill his family.

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01:15:49.079 --> 01:16:07.039
<v Speaker 4>What are we really watching here, Wendy, I'm home.

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01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.039
<v Speaker 6>Boom baby, nice man.

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01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.239
<v Speaker 2>The gripping trailer for the audio there at the end.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

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01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:32.600
<v Speaker 6>We can go through these, uh these slides real quickly.

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01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:36.840
<v Speaker 6>I'll just kind of jump through them real quick. Uh,

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01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:42.039
<v Speaker 6>let's see here, so uh within the trailer, we already

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01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:45.680
<v Speaker 6>already showed you this in the trailer. Whenever Jack stands

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01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.520
<v Speaker 6>up in the ballroom for the Gold Room the second time,

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01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:50.279
<v Speaker 6>there's a lady that walks past, it looks like she

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01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:52.960
<v Speaker 6>has a handprint on her ass. She's actually the one

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01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:56.560
<v Speaker 6>that bumps into Grady here that's carrying the tray which

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01:16:56.680 --> 01:17:01.720
<v Speaker 6>then spills the alcohol on Jack, which looks very identical too.

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01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:07.119
<v Speaker 6>Later on with Tom Hanks in the movie Castaway, the

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01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:10.119
<v Speaker 6>same type of handprint is on the ball pretty much

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01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:14.359
<v Speaker 6>like Yeah, well, good old Wilson and Castaway and Tom

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01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:17.119
<v Speaker 6>Hanks you can get in all the freaking Tom Hanks stuff.

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01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:23.119
<v Speaker 6>And sure, but there's light switches that disappear within the Shining.

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01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:25.880
<v Speaker 6>Whenever Hollerin is giving a tour to Windy and Danny

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01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:30.039
<v Speaker 6>throughout the Shining, there's a Then whenever Windy is dragging

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01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:33.079
<v Speaker 6>Jack's body back into the storage room, there's a light

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01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:35.439
<v Speaker 6>switch that is not there. It disappears, And then we

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01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:38.439
<v Speaker 6>have ones that are appearing whenever Jack is going into

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01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:42.159
<v Speaker 6>the office of Allman. There's not a light switch underneath

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01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:45.840
<v Speaker 6>the picture there, but later whenever he's going back in

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01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:49.039
<v Speaker 6>to destroy the radio to prevent Wendy and Danny from

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01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:53.560
<v Speaker 6>leaving their their peers a light switch, which is crazy.

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01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:55.199
<v Speaker 2>This one is.

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<v Speaker 6>Whenever we see the first establishing shot of the hotel,

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01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:02.319
<v Speaker 6>there is to not be a maaze in the background,

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01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.600
<v Speaker 6>but later on we obviously do know that there's a maaze,

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01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:07.800
<v Speaker 6>and people said, well, that's because there's not amaze at

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01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:11.359
<v Speaker 6>Timberline Lodge and the sterial shots were shot at Timberline Lodge,

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01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:14.039
<v Speaker 6>which they are correct. There's also not a maze at

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01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.560
<v Speaker 6>the Stanley Hotel as well, though they have put in

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01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:18.880
<v Speaker 6>a maze later on that's actually in the front of

1379
01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:21.359
<v Speaker 6>the hotel, but it's still a connuity air because that's

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01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:25.239
<v Speaker 6>what a connuity era is is things that are that

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01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.119
<v Speaker 6>does not tell a congruent story where things change and

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01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:33.439
<v Speaker 6>mess up. So cubric should have superimposed a freaking maze

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01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:36.199
<v Speaker 6>and behind the hotel here.

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01:18:36.279 --> 01:18:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's I was gonna say. He could use the miniature, right,

1385
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:41.039
<v Speaker 2>he used miniatures in this films.

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01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:44.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you get a superimposed amaze back there, but he didn't.

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01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:47.239
<v Speaker 6>H This one's interesting because the tie this is one

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01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:49.279
<v Speaker 6>people have pointed out a lot before. It's not even

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01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:51.680
<v Speaker 6>in our movie, but I think that's really interesting as

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01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:54.840
<v Speaker 6>tie looks like the overhead shot of the maze, which

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01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:59.000
<v Speaker 6>is kind of foreshadowing for Jack. This is one that

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01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:02.199
<v Speaker 6>people have pointed out a lot throughout the movie. The

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01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:05.760
<v Speaker 6>sticker disappears on Danny's door. It's Adope, the dwarf from

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01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:09.199
<v Speaker 6>the Seven Dwarfs, and then whenever the doctor comes to

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01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.920
<v Speaker 6>visit Danny, the sticker is then disappearing on this this

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01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:17.520
<v Speaker 6>second quarter panel of this image down here. This one's

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01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:21.520
<v Speaker 6>a dialogue era between Wendy and Jack. Wendy tells the

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01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:27.560
<v Speaker 6>doctor that five that five months ago is when Jack

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01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:31.079
<v Speaker 6>injured Danny's arm, and that was whenever Danny starts, you know,

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01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:34.399
<v Speaker 6>talking with Tony, which Tony is the entity that's supposedly

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01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:38.920
<v Speaker 6>in Danny's throat that he talks to through his his finger,

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01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:42.760
<v Speaker 6>and Jack has been sober now for five months. Later on,

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01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:47.439
<v Speaker 6>Jack tells Lloyd the bartender that the event happened three

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01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.600
<v Speaker 6>years ago. This one's interesting. This is cool laid on

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01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:52.319
<v Speaker 6>top of the fridge in their apartment, which cool a

1406
01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:55.760
<v Speaker 6>also shows up later on, beside the tang which could

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01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:59.199
<v Speaker 6>be in relation to the Jim Jones incident that happened

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01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:03.640
<v Speaker 6>during the film of The Shining just two years prior

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01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:07.800
<v Speaker 6>to The Shining's release was when the Jim Jones incident happened,

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01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:11.880
<v Speaker 6>and you can connect the freaking mk ultra stuff directly

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01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:16.000
<v Speaker 6>to Jim Jones. This is a clear plastic tarp in

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01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:19.119
<v Speaker 6>the background of the set. When Danny's driving his tricycle

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01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:22.199
<v Speaker 6>through the hotel, there's a clear plastic sut tarp in

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01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:25.199
<v Speaker 6>the background. This one is one that people have pointed

1415
01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:27.960
<v Speaker 6>out several times, which is the chair disappearing behind Jack,

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01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:29.840
<v Speaker 6>and one shot of Jack, there's a chair and a

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01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:32.800
<v Speaker 6>coffee table that's right behind him. It cuts to Windy,

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01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:35.239
<v Speaker 6>cuts back to Jack, the chair and coffee table is gone,

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01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:37.000
<v Speaker 6>and then it cuts to Windy again and then back

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01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:39.199
<v Speaker 6>to Jack. This is all in the same scene. Then

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01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:42.279
<v Speaker 6>the chair and coffee table then reappears. This is one

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01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:46.399
<v Speaker 6>of the only reappearing connuity ars through the entire movie.

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01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:53.520
<v Speaker 6>This one's interesting because this is when Stuart Allman is

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01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:58.960
<v Speaker 6>talking to Jack and Jack mistakenly says that five months

1425
01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:01.720
<v Speaker 6>of piece is just what I when, just what I need,

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01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:04.520
<v Speaker 6>when really it would be seven months of peace that

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01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:08.279
<v Speaker 6>Jack would need that that's the amount of time that

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01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:10.199
<v Speaker 6>they're going to be up at the hotel, because the

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01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:12.359
<v Speaker 6>hotel is closed for five months out of the year

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01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:15.760
<v Speaker 6>and open for seven I mean open for five months

1431
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:17.760
<v Speaker 6>out of the year and closed for seven So Jack

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01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:19.640
<v Speaker 6>would really be up there and his family would really

1433
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:21.680
<v Speaker 6>be up there for seven months, but he says five months.

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01:21:22.399 --> 01:21:25.079
<v Speaker 6>This one is a sexual wining window with Jack and Almen.

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01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:29.039
<v Speaker 6>Whenever Jack first comes to meet Almond and do his

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01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:31.840
<v Speaker 6>interview for the job, there's a paper tray on the desk.

1437
01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:35.640
<v Speaker 6>Jay Winners pointed this out several times that the paper

1438
01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:38.119
<v Speaker 6>trey on the desk appears that it is giving Almond

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01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:40.479
<v Speaker 6>a heart on. Another one is the teddy bear that

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01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:43.039
<v Speaker 6>I was mentioning earlier in the background here, which the

1441
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:46.039
<v Speaker 6>fire truck ladder is sticking up, giving the appearance that

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01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:48.560
<v Speaker 6>the teddy bear has a heart on. This is the

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01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:51.039
<v Speaker 6>baseball bat that I was also mentioning earlier, with the

1444
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:54.119
<v Speaker 6>curtain in the background. When the doctor comes to visit Windy,

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01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.760
<v Speaker 6>there's a cartoon character up here holding a baseball bat.

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01:21:57.079 --> 01:21:58.720
<v Speaker 6>And then later when Jack is going to look at

1447
01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:01.640
<v Speaker 6>the model of the maze, there's a baseball bat right

1448
01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:05.680
<v Speaker 6>there on the couch downstairs in the lobby, and then

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01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:08.359
<v Speaker 6>later on when he picks up the baseball bat that's

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01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:10.399
<v Speaker 6>next to the teddy bear with the fire truck sticking

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01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:12.800
<v Speaker 6>up the fire truck ladder sticking up, but given the

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01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:14.960
<v Speaker 6>appearance that the teddy Bear has a heart on, that's

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01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:18.000
<v Speaker 6>where she picks up the baseball bat to later strike

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01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:21.479
<v Speaker 6>Jack in the head with. This one's interesting. This one

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01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:25.159
<v Speaker 6>is one that whenever Danny first sees Room two thirty seven,

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01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.840
<v Speaker 6>there's a door that's closed to the right of him,

1457
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:30.279
<v Speaker 6>where this arrow is pointing in this top right hand panel.

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01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:34.000
<v Speaker 6>Then it cuts the Room two thirty seven. You see

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01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:36.479
<v Speaker 6>the door and then back to Danny as he's on

1460
01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:40.399
<v Speaker 6>his tricycle, and the door is then opened. This one

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01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:42.279
<v Speaker 6>is one that people have pointed out several times, which

1462
01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:44.479
<v Speaker 6>is the carpet changing patterns when Danny stands up in

1463
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:47.359
<v Speaker 6>the hallway. It starts out as an open facing hexagonal

1464
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:49.880
<v Speaker 6>carpet pattern, and then it changes to a closed facing

1465
01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:53.159
<v Speaker 6>hexagonal carpet pattern, which people have said that Danny just

1466
01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:57.760
<v Speaker 6>switched the cubrick turned him around on the carpet, which

1467
01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:59.920
<v Speaker 6>is probably true, but is still a connuity. Or everything

1468
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:03.640
<v Speaker 6>is set up exact same way that that it was.

1469
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:07.119
<v Speaker 6>All the cars are the exact same setting, the exact

1470
01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:11.600
<v Speaker 6>same position, but the carpet he just turned Danny around

1471
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:14.840
<v Speaker 6>in the shot or moved him over one h one

1472
01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:20.760
<v Speaker 6>hexagonal carpet pattern over to create the the the clothes

1473
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:24.399
<v Speaker 6>facing hexagonal carpet pattern. This one's a foreshadowing by Q

1474
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:27.359
<v Speaker 6>break that I was mentioning earlier, where Danny's leaying down

1475
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:29.840
<v Speaker 6>a teddy Bear. Then you also have the teddy bear

1476
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:33.199
<v Speaker 6>with the that we just showed of with the fire

1477
01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:35.680
<v Speaker 6>truck ladder sticking up. And then you have the teddy

1478
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:39.199
<v Speaker 6>bear with the gentleman is dressed up in a Teddy

1479
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:43.520
<v Speaker 6>Bear costume, uh supposedly performing oral sex on this gentleman

1480
01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:46.920
<v Speaker 6>on a bed. This is the tang that the astronauts

1481
01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:49.560
<v Speaker 6>have said to have used in the Polo program. That

1482
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:52.640
<v Speaker 6>was like the big Astronaut drink was tang was right

1483
01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:55.960
<v Speaker 6>beside the kool aid. Here you also have the uh,

1484
01:23:57.279 --> 01:24:03.760
<v Speaker 6>the native American symbolism back here, the Paul eleven, which

1485
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:06.880
<v Speaker 6>was the what Jay Wider his first two films with

1486
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:09.960
<v Speaker 6>Kubric's Odyssey one and two basically talk about the shining

1487
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:13.640
<v Speaker 6>being the confession of Stanley Kubrick from faking the moon landing.

1488
01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:16.159
<v Speaker 6>Danny stands up in the Apollo eleven shirt. The carpet

1489
01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:19.399
<v Speaker 6>on the floor looks like the Apollo eleven launch pad

1490
01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:21.199
<v Speaker 6>that get He goes in the room two thirty seven.

1491
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:23.640
<v Speaker 6>During that time, people thought that room two thirty seven

1492
01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:27.680
<v Speaker 6>was how far the moon was away from Earth. This

1493
01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:32.239
<v Speaker 6>is the Shining Toy story reference well and Toy story.

1494
01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:34.960
<v Speaker 6>The carpet is the same as the Shining carpet. Even

1495
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:39.560
<v Speaker 6>the paper is the Shining carpet. There's also a shining

1496
01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:45.159
<v Speaker 6>scene in What's that movie by? It was basically about

1497
01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:49.000
<v Speaker 6>the AI. The AI wrote where they're playing a game.

1498
01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:53.520
<v Speaker 6>It was directed by Steven Spielberg. Ready Player one there's

1499
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:56.560
<v Speaker 6>a whole shining scene and Ready Player one as well. Uh,

1500
01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:58.680
<v Speaker 6>don't have a slide for that. But and then the

1501
01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:02.399
<v Speaker 6>TV is not seen to be plugged into anything, which

1502
01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:06.680
<v Speaker 6>could be Stephen King symbolically, you know, telling people that

1503
01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:10.600
<v Speaker 6>the moon landing was indeed faked, because if it was fake,

1504
01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:12.600
<v Speaker 6>then that would mean that it was pre recorded footage.

1505
01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.159
<v Speaker 6>So it's almost like Windy and Danny here like just

1506
01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.560
<v Speaker 6>watching nothing on the TV. So also kind of relates

1507
01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:20.520
<v Speaker 6>to the MK Ultra mind control because that would be

1508
01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:24.720
<v Speaker 6>one of the largest mind control experiments that was ever done.

1509
01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.319
<v Speaker 6>If the moon landing wasn't the footage was indeed faked.

1510
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:34.359
<v Speaker 6>This one's a dialogue era between Almond and Almond telling

1511
01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:39.000
<v Speaker 6>Jack that the previous caretaker's name was Charles Grady, but

1512
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:43.079
<v Speaker 6>later on when Jack meets Grady, he refers to himself

1513
01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:47.600
<v Speaker 6>as Delbert Grady. Two different Grady's. This one's for a

1514
01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:52.880
<v Speaker 6>really wild one, which is that she was wrong with you.

1515
01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:55.840
<v Speaker 6>This isn't from the same scene, Okay, So Hollerin is

1516
01:25:56.039 --> 01:26:00.399
<v Speaker 6>giving Windy and Danny a tour of the hotel kitchen

1517
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:03.279
<v Speaker 6>area where she's going to be making food and you know,

1518
01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:07.680
<v Speaker 6>providing food for Danny and Jack. This is a part

1519
01:26:07.720 --> 01:26:09.960
<v Speaker 6>of the same scene. So when Hollerin is opening this

1520
01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:12.520
<v Speaker 6>door right here, this is the door handle is on

1521
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:15.439
<v Speaker 6>the right hand side right. So the next scene is

1522
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:18.279
<v Speaker 6>them inside of the freezer room here, and this is

1523
01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:21.880
<v Speaker 6>them exiting the freezer room. So not only does the

1524
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:25.079
<v Speaker 6>door handle change sides when the exit is now on

1525
01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:29.479
<v Speaker 6>the left side and the background is completely different. The

1526
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.840
<v Speaker 6>photo looks like it's a background of like the kitchen

1527
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:35.439
<v Speaker 6>area where they cook food. And there's like this this

1528
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:37.880
<v Speaker 6>table here beside the door that looks like it has

1529
01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:41.399
<v Speaker 6>plates and cups and stuff on it. There's a blackboard

1530
01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:43.760
<v Speaker 6>in behind him. But whenever the exit the freezer room,

1531
01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:48.119
<v Speaker 6>there's these twin double doors here. There's a fire alarm

1532
01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:51.000
<v Speaker 6>on the on the wall here, it looks like that

1533
01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:54.439
<v Speaker 6>there's a switchboard or maybe some kind of you know,

1534
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:57.960
<v Speaker 6>light switches here, like the main frame light switch. And

1535
01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:01.840
<v Speaker 6>this maybe this hazardous discard pile. And there's windows back

1536
01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:04.479
<v Speaker 6>here and looks like a mirror. It's a completely different set.

1537
01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:10.359
<v Speaker 6>It's a completely different set, sure, and that is a

1538
01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:14.039
<v Speaker 6>huge continuity, or like he had two different sets going

1539
01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:17.439
<v Speaker 6>on whenever they walked in to the to the freezer room.

1540
01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:19.000
<v Speaker 6>When they walk out in it is a completely different side.

1541
01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:21.000
<v Speaker 6>And now people have tried to say, well, he just

1542
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:24.199
<v Speaker 6>switched the side that he was filming it from, but

1543
01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:26.119
<v Speaker 6>that doesn't make any sense. Even if you were to

1544
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.760
<v Speaker 6>switch the side that where you were shooting to give

1545
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:32.520
<v Speaker 6>a different perspective, that doesn't change the side that the

1546
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:36.399
<v Speaker 6>that the handle of the freezer.

1547
01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:39.840
<v Speaker 2>And the window next to the handle on one shot,

1548
01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and there's no window in the shot, so Yeah, it's

1549
01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>clearly a different scene.

1550
01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:48.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, absolutely, this is the Beatles Abbey Road symbolism that

1551
01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:52.800
<v Speaker 6>we were talking about and mentioning earlier that it is

1552
01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:56.399
<v Speaker 6>almost identical to the Beatles Abbey Road album artwork with

1553
01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:02.119
<v Speaker 6>the beatle John Lennon's beetle in the background, and there's

1554
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:06.560
<v Speaker 6>more beetle symbolism. Stephen King's had a red beetle in

1555
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:11.640
<v Speaker 6>his novel. Kubrick turned it into a yellow beetle, and

1556
01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:14.159
<v Speaker 6>then when Halren's on the way up to the hotel,

1557
01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:19.520
<v Speaker 6>there's a red beetle crush underneath the eighteen wheeler. Stephen

1558
01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:24.319
<v Speaker 6>King got the idea for naming the Shining after the

1559
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:28.000
<v Speaker 6>John lennisong instant Karma. Wendy is reading the book by

1560
01:28:28.079 --> 01:28:31.359
<v Speaker 6>intelligence officer a named J. D. Salinger called Catcher in

1561
01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:34.319
<v Speaker 6>the Rye. A month, well less than a year after

1562
01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:38.279
<v Speaker 6>this movie came out, John Lennon was then assassinated. This

1563
01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:43.600
<v Speaker 6>one is strange because it's a lamp shade. It's a

1564
01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:46.760
<v Speaker 6>lamp that whenever Windy, whenever Jack is busted down the

1565
01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:49.960
<v Speaker 6>first door into the apartment and Windy and Danny is

1566
01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:53.239
<v Speaker 6>running into the bathroom, there's a lamp on the table

1567
01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:56.439
<v Speaker 6>there that's crooked, and then when Jack walks in, it's straight.

1568
01:28:57.920 --> 01:29:00.359
<v Speaker 6>This one is a really interesting one because this one

1569
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.439
<v Speaker 6>is where the famous scene of Jack breaking down the

1570
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:05.760
<v Speaker 6>quarter panel of the door to get into the bathroom

1571
01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:12.279
<v Speaker 6>to you know, essentially murder Wendy. He has only seen

1572
01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:16.680
<v Speaker 6>breaking down the right side quarter panel of the door

1573
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:21.279
<v Speaker 6>and sticking his head through and saying, here's Johnny. But

1574
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:24.960
<v Speaker 6>then whenever he hears holeran stowmobile pull up to the

1575
01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:29.680
<v Speaker 6>scene and the scene cuts and it turns and he

1576
01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:32.479
<v Speaker 6>turns around, both sides of the quarter panel of the

1577
01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:38.720
<v Speaker 6>door have been smashed out. This is a poster in

1578
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:41.439
<v Speaker 6>the background whenever Danny. The first time Danny sees anything

1579
01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:45.560
<v Speaker 6>strange in the hotels, when the two twins appear in

1580
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:47.840
<v Speaker 6>the game's room, he's throwing darts at the dark board.

1581
01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:49.960
<v Speaker 6>He turns around and there's the twins, and there's a

1582
01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:56.560
<v Speaker 6>poster in the background that says Monarch. This is another

1583
01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:58.920
<v Speaker 6>one that people have already pointed out several times, which

1584
01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:00.640
<v Speaker 6>is at the end of the movie when the shot

1585
01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:04.600
<v Speaker 6>feeds from a far away shot to a close up

1586
01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:08.199
<v Speaker 6>shot of jackets seeing that Jack appears to have a

1587
01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:12.319
<v Speaker 6>tiny little hitler mustache in there in the background of

1588
01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:14.880
<v Speaker 6>the gold Room the second time, well the first time

1589
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:17.239
<v Speaker 6>that they walk in and Almon is giving them a

1590
01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:19.840
<v Speaker 6>tour along with Bill Watson. Here in the back you

1591
01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:24.119
<v Speaker 6>can see a Nazi swastika imprinted into the background of

1592
01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:28.760
<v Speaker 6>the gold Room and at his end of the presentation. Yeah,

1593
01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:32.520
<v Speaker 6>and Bill Watson within the movie is it was super

1594
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:36.199
<v Speaker 6>strange character. He doesn't really seem to do much at all.

1595
01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:39.479
<v Speaker 6>He's just kind of there. He's like an observer and

1596
01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:45.000
<v Speaker 6>I relate that a lot to Sidney Gottlieb within the

1597
01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:50.680
<v Speaker 6>I mean, they look almost identical as well to Sidney Gottlieb,

1598
01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:54.640
<v Speaker 6>but there's very few photos of Sidney Gottlieb out there,

1599
01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:59.520
<v Speaker 6>so it was, you know, kind of difficult to find

1600
01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:01.720
<v Speaker 6>any photos of them. There's only like one or two

1601
01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:04.039
<v Speaker 6>or three out there that you can find, and already

1602
01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:06.479
<v Speaker 6>had them in the documentary. But it seems like Bill

1603
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:10.560
<v Speaker 6>Watson is really the runner of this experiment and this

1604
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:15.439
<v Speaker 6>thing that's going down up at the overlook, and there's

1605
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:18.760
<v Speaker 6>a whole ending to the shining that was completely caught

1606
01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:21.319
<v Speaker 6>out of the movie that Kubrick filmed that didn't make

1607
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:24.720
<v Speaker 6>it into the actual movie that really explains this entire

1608
01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:28.680
<v Speaker 6>thing and confirms our theory of exactly what's going on

1609
01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:32.359
<v Speaker 6>up at the overlook and what Stanley Kubrick was trying

1610
01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:33.920
<v Speaker 6>to say within the movie The Shining.

1611
01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, I was gonna if you didn't mention it,

1612
01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.119
<v Speaker 2>that was elving to mention that the you all definitely

1613
01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:43.039
<v Speaker 2>wrapped it up great, And I was totally unaware of

1614
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the alternate ending, So you know, that was definitely a

1615
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>good way in the documentary.

1616
01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:51.640
<v Speaker 6>I thought, yeah, it's so interesting. So basically at the

1617
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:54.479
<v Speaker 6>end of this original ending, the Cubrick cut out, like

1618
01:31:57.000 --> 01:31:59.439
<v Speaker 6>Ollman comes into the hospital and it is like, hey,

1619
01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:03.000
<v Speaker 6>what you know, what's going on here? What's what's happening?

1620
01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:07.439
<v Speaker 6>And they pretty much confirmed that it was a giant

1621
01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:12.039
<v Speaker 6>experiment that was ran up there. Then he throws Danny

1622
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:18.479
<v Speaker 6>a tennis ball of that jack was thrown against the wall,

1623
01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:21.840
<v Speaker 6>which was also the exact same tennis ball that inexplictably

1624
01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:24.840
<v Speaker 6>rolled toward Danny before he went into room two thirty seven.

1625
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:29.520
<v Speaker 6>How did he know about that tennis ballure, how did

1626
01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:31.880
<v Speaker 6>he know that that tennis ball was even there? And

1627
01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:33.920
<v Speaker 6>how did he know to throw it to Danny?

1628
01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:41.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

1629
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Great stuff.

1630
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for sure, I haven't noticed so much of that

1631
01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:52.560
<v Speaker 5>you see continuity that you're talking about before in the movie,

1632
01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:55.199
<v Speaker 5>so you mentioned it, I mean I've seen it multiple

1633
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:55.680
<v Speaker 5>times too.

1634
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:02.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's pretty much all of the ones that I

1635
01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:06.000
<v Speaker 6>know about it. And I'm sure that there's others that

1636
01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:10.079
<v Speaker 6>some people might be able to find or come up with,

1637
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:14.439
<v Speaker 6>but those are like the main ones, and a lot

1638
01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:19.439
<v Speaker 6>of them people that had never really noticed, and that

1639
01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:23.439
<v Speaker 6>comes from just watching this movie over and over and

1640
01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:24.119
<v Speaker 6>over again.

1641
01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:29.600
<v Speaker 2>So sure. Well, with Kober being such attention to you know,

1642
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.600
<v Speaker 2>not about attention to details as you all point on

1643
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:34.880
<v Speaker 2>the film, with his recreation of the B fifty two

1644
01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:38.560
<v Speaker 2>bombers and whatnot in his previous films that alerted you know,

1645
01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Intel services. What what do you think his purpose was

1646
01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>for all these continuity hers.

1647
01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:47.439
<v Speaker 6>I think the purpose was was to is to slowly

1648
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:54.159
<v Speaker 6>drive the viewer into some form of also questioning their

1649
01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:59.600
<v Speaker 6>reality just as and go down this delusional aspect, Just

1650
01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:06.600
<v Speaker 6>as you know, Jack is also going down this rabbit

1651
01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:10.239
<v Speaker 6>hole of like delusion and psychosis and paranoia. I think

1652
01:34:10.319 --> 01:34:13.520
<v Speaker 6>that Kubrick is also wanting the audience to take this

1653
01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:18.239
<v Speaker 6>journey just as Jack is also and it's subliminal, right,

1654
01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:21.199
<v Speaker 6>It's not something that's I mean, some of them are

1655
01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:24.640
<v Speaker 6>really in your face that you can notice on a

1656
01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:27.840
<v Speaker 6>first viewing, but some of the other ones are really subtle,

1657
01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:31.279
<v Speaker 6>and it's affecting your subconscious to give you this eerie

1658
01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:34.680
<v Speaker 6>feeling like something is not right about this movie and

1659
01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:38.239
<v Speaker 6>people can't really put their thumb on what's not right

1660
01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:41.079
<v Speaker 6>about it? Why am I getting this creepy feeling? Why

1661
01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:45.159
<v Speaker 6>is it eerie? Is it just the visual aspects? Is

1662
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:48.359
<v Speaker 6>it just the soundtrack and the music? I mean, I

1663
01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:51.800
<v Speaker 6>think that that definitely adds to it. But the continuity

1664
01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:55.039
<v Speaker 6>errors and the dialogue errors within the movie is affecting

1665
01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:59.079
<v Speaker 6>the subconscious of the viewer, even if they don't notice it,

1666
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:04.399
<v Speaker 6>giving them this eerie, strange feeling that they can't quite

1667
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<v Speaker 6>put their finger on. And this is what keeps people

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01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:09.399
<v Speaker 6>coming back to this movie over and over again and

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01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:12.920
<v Speaker 6>rewatching it over and over again. And that is what

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01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:17.439
<v Speaker 6>is happening with Jackie's also starting to go into these delusional,

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01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:23.479
<v Speaker 6>delusional aspects, and it makes sense to me that that

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<v Speaker 6>would be the reason why Kubrick is doing that. He's

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01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:30.199
<v Speaker 6>putting it in there. It's another symbolic type of metaphor

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01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:33.760
<v Speaker 6>to make the viewer and the audience's watching the movie

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01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:37.880
<v Speaker 6>to slowly start to question their reality, just as Jack

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01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:40.239
<v Speaker 6>is starting to question his reality and go down this

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01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:42.560
<v Speaker 6>rabbit hole of delusions within the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's a great explanation. Runner. It makes a lot

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01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:52.399
<v Speaker 2>of sense. I've been kubrick mind fucked watching The Johnny's

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<v Speaker 2>Funny and it does.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, there's always been this creepy aspect of the

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01:35:57.880 --> 01:35:59.880
<v Speaker 6>movie that people just can't put their finger on. They're like,

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01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:01.880
<v Speaker 6>what is going on here? What's happening? Why am I

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01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:06.760
<v Speaker 6>feeling really creepy about this entire thing? And I think

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01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:10.880
<v Speaker 6>that that's exactly what's going on. And obviously the soundtrack

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01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:14.000
<v Speaker 6>definitely helps. The soundtrack is very creepy, with the creepy

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01:36:14.079 --> 01:36:17.239
<v Speaker 6>tones and the music that is used, and the visuals

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01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.960
<v Speaker 6>as well, like the quick cuts from Danny and the

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01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:24.279
<v Speaker 6>Blood and the Elevator and the Twins and all that.

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01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:26.359
<v Speaker 6>It's it's it's very symbolic.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I think those film Yeah, deeply layered, deeply

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01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:37.800
<v Speaker 5>layered film. I think for sure, Well, thank you, right,

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01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:40.319
<v Speaker 5>I mean right, an hour and a half now, I

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01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:42.159
<v Speaker 5>figure maybe we could wrap it up here and I'm

1695
01:36:42.159 --> 01:36:43.840
<v Speaker 5>sure you don't want to spill all the beans, So

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01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:45.960
<v Speaker 5>people go check out the movies, you know what I'm saying.

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01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:49.199
<v Speaker 5>Remind everybody where they can please go find this if

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01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:51.760
<v Speaker 5>they want to watch it, please you can.

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01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:56.039
<v Speaker 6>Find it on Amazon Prime Clockwork Shining. You can just

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01:36:56.119 --> 01:36:59.319
<v Speaker 6>type it in the Google or any search engine and

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01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:01.720
<v Speaker 6>you can also find it that way. And if you

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01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:04.359
<v Speaker 6>don't have Amazon Prime in your country, you can also

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01:37:04.479 --> 01:37:09.079
<v Speaker 6>find it on Apple tv Plus as well, and we

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01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:12.640
<v Speaker 6>will soon be making it to where anybody anywhere in

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01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:16.560
<v Speaker 6>the world can also watch it as well, hopefully by

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01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:19.399
<v Speaker 6>the end of this month, right in time for Christmas.

1707
01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:22.079
<v Speaker 6>So if you're in the Christmas spirit and you're missing

1708
01:37:22.159 --> 01:37:25.560
<v Speaker 6>that spooky season, baby, go watch our documentary A Clockwork

1709
01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:28.520
<v Speaker 6>Shining on Amazon Prime and get all your spooky feels

1710
01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:31.520
<v Speaker 6>for Christmas. And thanks for having me on guys, And

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01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:34.960
<v Speaker 6>if people are also interested in finding out more of

1712
01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:37.960
<v Speaker 6>my work, I also have a show on YouTube which

1713
01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:42.119
<v Speaker 6>is being simulcast from The Call Rejects on my YouTube

1714
01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:45.239
<v Speaker 6>channel as well YouTube at Raised by Giants and on

1715
01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:47.680
<v Speaker 6>any and all podcast platforms, and you can follow me

1716
01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:51.119
<v Speaker 6>on x Twitter, at Raised by Giants eight or Instagram

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01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:54.079
<v Speaker 6>at raised by Giants Pod. Thank you gentlemen, really appreciate it.

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01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:58.439
<v Speaker 6>I hope everyone has amazing holidays that are coming up

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01:37:58.479 --> 01:37:59.319
<v Speaker 6>here very soon.

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01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:02.479
<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much. I always always love having you

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01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:05.640
<v Speaker 5>on man. It's always a great talk. I love you work. Yeah,

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01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:08.119
<v Speaker 5>everybody please go check out his did put his link

1723
01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:10.560
<v Speaker 5>tree in there, so I'm sure from there as of

1724
01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:13.800
<v Speaker 5>now you could probably find a way to his his documentaries.

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01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:15.640
<v Speaker 5>I'll throw in some lenks if I have to after

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01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:19.840
<v Speaker 5>the fact. JJ please let everybody know real quick before

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01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:21.720
<v Speaker 5>we wrap this up where they can find your work

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01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:24.039
<v Speaker 5>as well. And thank you very much for jumping on man. Please.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure appreciate the invite rider for sire your time.

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01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Great great great movie. Love the new ideas and thoughts

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01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>that I got from watching it, and definitely enjoyed the guests.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:38.640
<v Speaker 2>One, they're a big fan of Joe Atwell's work. Mark

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01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Devlin and I used to communicate quite frequently years ago

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01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:43.720
<v Speaker 2>when he was he mentioned he was on a tour

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01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:46.119
<v Speaker 2>of Laurel Canyon in twenty seventeen. I was like, oh,

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01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:49.199
<v Speaker 2>that's right. I used to talk about Laurel Canyon and

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01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:52.479
<v Speaker 2>some of these kind of weird scenes inside the Canyon

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01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:55.159
<v Speaker 2>ideas with Mark Devlin back around twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,

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01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:57.119
<v Speaker 2>because he brought he brought me up to speed on

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01:38:57.199 --> 01:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the Africa Africa Bombada and the kind of the head

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01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:03.199
<v Speaker 2>pop you know, kind of nature that that look weird

1743
01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:05.720
<v Speaker 2>scenes inside the Canyon you know, into the hip hop

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01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>community because he was a DJ and I was focusing

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01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:10.720
<v Speaker 2>on the time on my Laurel Canyon series. So DeBie

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01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Cross passed with Mark. He has some great ideas too,

1747
01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:15.800
<v Speaker 2>So there's definitely a and Walter Bossi I. You know,

1748
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:18.600
<v Speaker 2>he's brought some interesting things to my perspective. I caught

1749
01:39:18.640 --> 01:39:22.279
<v Speaker 2>his show last week on on the Processed Church with

1750
01:39:22.600 --> 01:39:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Todd Wood and Dana from Rotting Jewels. You know, there

1751
01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:27.560
<v Speaker 2>was a good, good show on some of those topics.

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01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:30.119
<v Speaker 2>But he's always bringing some new stuff to the table

1753
01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:33.159
<v Speaker 2>if it seems like relatively of the conspiracy culture. So yeah, yeah,

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01:39:33.359 --> 01:39:35.119
<v Speaker 2>quite a lineup of folks in your movie. I was

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01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:38.079
<v Speaker 2>quite impressed. But yeah, Debby recommend folks check that out

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01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and appreciate both your gents times.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, thank you very much, and thank you everybody

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01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:45.079
<v Speaker 5>in the chat. That's what's up. I saw a lot

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01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:49.680
<v Speaker 5>of people over there from Writer's channel and JJ's comment,

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01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:51.720
<v Speaker 5>and two because I can see it in stream yard,

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01:39:52.199 --> 01:39:55.239
<v Speaker 5>I appreciate that. I'm glad everybody enjoyed it, and thank

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01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:57.479
<v Speaker 5>you for everybody that jumped in on my channel from

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01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.479
<v Speaker 5>from the live section. That's what's u I saw a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of familiar faces, and that's why I do this.

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01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:05.319
<v Speaker 5>I'm glad you'll enjoyed it, and until the next one,

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<v Speaker 5>everybody be well later