Speaker 1: I'm Wednesday afternoon, nineteen minutes, but for us sixteen minutes
Speaker 1: past the hour two o'clock, a little late today, did
Speaker 1: a little cross talk with our guy James and also
Speaker 1: the Brown Bear, Brian Brown.
Speaker 2: But hello, how are you happy? Wednesday?
Speaker 1: Halfway through that work week? You are one day closer.
Speaker 2: To the weekend.
Speaker 1: It is great to have you with us on this
Speaker 1: hot June Wednesday afternoon here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.
Speaker 1: Sunny outside, beautiful day. Good to have you along for
Speaker 1: the ride.
Speaker 2: Happy Draft Day.
Speaker 1: Excited for tonight. We're gonna have great draft coverage for
Speaker 1: you guys. I'll be anchoring our coverage. James will be producing.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have porter at the Zions Bank Basketball Center
Speaker 1: and Gordy Chiasa Richard Smith, who combined have about ninety
Speaker 1: years of experience in the world of talent evaluation and
Speaker 1: draft nights and professional basketball and the coaching and administration side.
Speaker 1: We'll be live in studio, excited to catch up with
Speaker 1: them and excited to bring the best coverage of the
Speaker 1: draft in the market to you. A lot to do,
Speaker 1: a lot to do, a lot of rumors surrounding what
Speaker 1: we could see tonight one roomor surrounding the Jazz making
Speaker 1: inquiries about a superstar player who plays for the Boston Celtics,
Speaker 1: namely Kalen Brown. Boston has already shed a bunch of salaries,
Speaker 1: They've already made a bunch of movement. Drew Holliday as
Speaker 1: a Blazer, Kristaps Porzengis is a member of the Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about all the deals that have happened and
Speaker 1: get to the potential movement or lack thereof, for the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz, who as of now have number five and
Speaker 1: number twenty one in the first round and a couple
Speaker 1: of second rounders to boot. It is a big day
Speaker 1: for the Jazz. It is a big night for the Jazz.
Speaker 1: It's a big night for this organization. Get a top
Speaker 1: five pick. You just don't want to get it wrong.
Speaker 1: A lot of people do. That's part of the deal.
Speaker 1: I will go over the latest mock drafts from all
Speaker 1: the draft experts and tell you what they're saying about
Speaker 1: the potential for the Jazz to draft at five. So
Speaker 1: a lot to do, busy show. That's not the only
Speaker 1: thing going on, of course. We talked about the college
Speaker 1: football landscape a lot yesterday, we'll get to know Ryder
Speaker 1: Lines a little bit more. Do some Utah football, do
Speaker 1: some BYU off season football as well.
Speaker 2: Sixty six days away.
Speaker 1: From Kim in the world of college football, So busy,
Speaker 1: busy show on this Wednesday afternoon, we are going to
Speaker 1: start with Tim Bontemps from ESPN. I would imagine Tim
Speaker 1: will be live at the draft, that's my best guess,
Speaker 1: and he'll give us kind of a scene setter and
Speaker 1: let us know.
Speaker 2: What he's hearing.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about all the deals that have gone down.
Speaker 1: Are the Jazz really in on the Jalen Brown sweepstakes?
Speaker 1: With the Celtics really move on from Jalen Brown. We'll
Speaker 1: get into it with Tim Bontemps, Rafael Barlow from the
Speaker 1: NBA Big Board. Once upon a time started by our
Speaker 1: good friend Chad Ford. Shout out Chad Ford, a early
Speaker 1: mentor of mine in the draft process. Chad was doing
Speaker 1: at a high level for a long long time. I
Speaker 1: believe Chad lives here now. He spent some time on
Speaker 1: the North Shore because he's a very smart man. But
Speaker 1: Raphael took over from Chad doing a great job front
Speaker 1: of the program. He'll stop by today move over to
Speaker 1: the voice of the Jazz Craig Bowler.
Speaker 2: Jack, a good dat out bowler on the program.
Speaker 1: We'll get a scene center from Craig what he's hearing
Speaker 1: on the jazz side of things. Spencer, letting our buddy
Speaker 1: from BYU TV. We'll do some college football, some college
Speaker 1: basketball Spencer today, move into the five o'clock hour of
Speaker 1: the program, and then we will say good night at
Speaker 1: six and then make way for our draft coverage. Myself,
Speaker 1: Richard Smith, Gordy Chiasa on a busy Wednesday show, and
Speaker 1: it's good to have you with us. Timbon Temps, Raphael Barlow,
Speaker 1: Craig Bowler, Jack, Spencer, Linton Me, Spence, checkets, all of you,
Speaker 1: the great listeners, and that guy Porter Larson who is
Speaker 1: wearing a collared shirt. You made me nervous for you
Speaker 1: when I saw I didn't know you were going to
Speaker 1: the ZBBC. Like, what are you doing wearing a collared shirt?
Speaker 3: You asked, and I quote, you just come back from court.
Speaker 2: Well that is that?
Speaker 3: Where is that?
Speaker 2: This the assumption? Now, well, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: So when it comes, if you ever see me in
Speaker 1: a suit and a tie, just know one of two
Speaker 1: things has happened. I had to be a court or
Speaker 1: I had to go to the bank, okay, or me
Speaker 1: with a lawyer. Okay, those are the three things that
Speaker 1: I'll wear a tie for. I broughte funeral's weddings. You
Speaker 1: have a wedding yvy church. Who knows it's been them
Speaker 1: inte there. But anyway, that's fair.
Speaker 3: I mean I I did have to point out that
Speaker 3: I am still wearing slippers. So no no court today,
Speaker 3: no appearances, no depositions, none of the like. Just doing
Speaker 3: some draft stuff. And once I run out of clean
Speaker 3: shirts with no collars, that's when I wear my collar shirts.
Speaker 1: Okay, now fair enough, fair enough, Okay, let me ask
Speaker 1: you before we dig into it.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've asked you this.
Speaker 1: I asked all of our NBA guess you watched a
Speaker 1: lot of college basketball you started the draft. Best case
Speaker 1: realistic scenario if the Jazz Day had five for you
Speaker 1: is who and why?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I like Trey Johnson more and more, I really do.
Speaker 3: I know you waiver back and forth that the number
Speaker 3: five pick Spence is an interesting one in a draft
Speaker 3: where I think obviously there's a clear number one, but
Speaker 3: I also think there's kind of a clear number three
Speaker 3: two as well. I think Trey Johnson, if you stay
Speaker 3: and just pick the number five pick, that's kind of
Speaker 3: the guy that I have zeroed in on. But I
Speaker 3: we also do think there's some options where he and
Speaker 3: a few other players are available at five and the
Speaker 3: Jazz are able to work some other things out. We
Speaker 3: shall see in a matter of what about four hours
Speaker 3: from right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed it's a late night for us. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be on air live for about six hours. I'll be
Speaker 1: ready for a nap after we're done. But our first
Speaker 1: guest today will be Tim Bontemps from ESPN. But before
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Speaker 1: All right, let's be very clear, it is a massive
Speaker 1: day for the Utah Jazz Organization. It is a massive
Speaker 1: night for the Utah Jazz Organization. You cannot get this
Speaker 1: one wrong. It is a top five pick. And of
Speaker 1: course that's just where they're at right now, and there's
Speaker 1: a chance they could move and we'll dig in all
Speaker 1: the scenarios the mock drafts that have been released today.
Speaker 1: This is the up to date mock drafts from the
Speaker 1: people that do this for a living. So our friend
Speaker 1: Rafael Barlow, who's going to join us coming up in
Speaker 1: just about thirty five minutes from right now, as the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz taking Trey Johnson out of Texas said Number
Speaker 1: five NBC's draft has Jeremiah Fears going to the Jazz
Speaker 1: at five. The Ringer has Conker Nipple out of Duke
Speaker 1: going to the Jazz at five. No Ceilings has Ace
Speaker 1: Bailey going to the Jazz at five, and then both
Speaker 1: ESPN Jonathan Gavoni and the athletic Sambassini.
Speaker 2: Those are the two that I read.
Speaker 1: The most have the Jazz taking Jeremiah Fears, the point
Speaker 1: guard out of Oklahoma. So those are the names the
Speaker 1: experts have linked to the Utah Jazz as of now.
Speaker 1: A far more interesting scenario that has been well, the
Speaker 1: talks have been reported, nothing has been reported as far
Speaker 1: as something that's im in it, something that's on the horizon.
Speaker 1: So we're going to discuss two different scenarios here as
Speaker 1: far as the potential the Jazz actually making a move
Speaker 1: instead out of drafting at five or twenty one, or
Speaker 1: the couple of second rounders they also have in their
Speaker 1: back pocket. So obviously there are synergistic relationships between the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz front office and the Boston Celtics front office.
Speaker 1: Danny Ainge hired Brad Stevens to coach the Celtics, and
Speaker 1: Danny Ainge was involved in the scenario hand picking Brad
Speaker 1: to be his replacement when he decided to first step
Speaker 1: back from his full time responsibilities and then ultimately retire
Speaker 1: from the Boston Celtics. Obviously, the retirement lasted a year
Speaker 1: because he landed here, moved to Provo so he could
Speaker 1: be with his family more, and then Ryan Smith hired
Speaker 1: him to be the CEO of Jazz Basketball, and obviously,
Speaker 1: Austin Inge, Danny's son, stuck around Boston and worked for
Speaker 1: Brad in a high level capacity for a number of
Speaker 1: years and now Austin is here. I'll add to the
Speaker 1: layer that Will Hardy, the Utah Jazz head coach, was
Speaker 1: the number one assistant coach for Emi Udoka for a
Speaker 1: couple of years in Boston, and therefore is familiar with
Speaker 1: the front office, familiar with Danny, familiar with Austin, and
Speaker 1: also familiar with Brad Stevens, who worked for and the
Speaker 1: players that currently play for the Boston Celtics that were
Speaker 1: there when Will was an assistant coach, namely Jalen Brown.
Speaker 1: All Right, so there's a scenario in play here, and
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this will even come close to happening.
Speaker 1: And if Boston had not already made the moves they
Speaker 1: had made, maybe this would be more likely. And there
Speaker 1: is a world where this continues to remain likely. So
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens and the Boston Celtics, over the course of
Speaker 1: the past forty eight hours, have saved their ownership group
Speaker 1: over two million dollars as a result of two transactions.
Speaker 1: The Celtics received George Niang and a second round pick.
Speaker 1: The Hawks received Chris STAPs Porzingis and a second round pick.
Speaker 1: The Nets get Terrence Mann and a first round pick.
Speaker 1: The Nets have six first round picks in the draft
Speaker 1: tonight as they continue their rebuild. Okay, so that's one
Speaker 1: deal they made. The other deal they made is the
Speaker 1: Portland Trailblazers, who actually played well down the stretch last year,
Speaker 1: are very much trying to establish this defensive culture right
Speaker 1: under head coach Chauncey Billips. They've got a bunch of
Speaker 1: really good young defenders on that roster. So they grabbed
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday, who was actually in Portland once upon a time.
Speaker 1: They send Anthony Simons, a talented yet mercurial, kind of
Speaker 1: confusing young player who can really fill it up, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about him, but he's not
Speaker 1: very efficient, doesn't make great decisions, but he's a good
Speaker 1: athlete can really score. Boston gets a couple of second
Speaker 1: rounders there as well, and so as a result of
Speaker 1: those two transactions, the Boston Celtics have saved over two
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in luxury tax economic punitive penalties. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they've already really established or excuse me, they've already
Speaker 1: really accomplished what they set out to accomplish to start
Speaker 1: this offseason. But it does bring in a question whether
Speaker 1: or not. They want to go all in on a
Speaker 1: reset while Jason Tatum sits next year with a torn
Speaker 1: achilles tendon, potentially grabs some draft capital and maybe move
Speaker 1: on from a player who they've already paid three hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars for. And that player is Jalen Brown. So
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown is really good. There's your analysis.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I can remember when the Jazz were discussing the Mitchell options.
Speaker 1: One of the things I talked about is maybe you
Speaker 1: call Boston ask about Jalen Brown, and therefore you don't
Speaker 1: lose your young twenty five year old superstar for nothing
Speaker 1: or just you know, pennies on the dollar. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they got pennies on the dollar for Donovan,
Speaker 1: but there's a world that exists where I don't know
Speaker 1: that they got enough for him ultimately. The example I
Speaker 1: continue to use is both OKC and Indiana parlaying Paul
Speaker 1: George into generational cornerstones for both those franchises that just
Speaker 1: made the NBA Finals. One got Tyree Saliburton in a
Speaker 1: roundabout way as a result.
Speaker 2: Of what they received for Paul George.
Speaker 1: The other got SGA at a bunch of picks that
Speaker 1: one of them included Jalen Jalen Williams. So did the
Speaker 1: Jazz get enough for Donovan? Of course, we're not going
Speaker 1: to do much on that today, but Jalen was one
Speaker 1: of the names that I looked at, like, man, maybe
Speaker 1: they could grab him. He's twenty eight years old, he's
Speaker 1: six seven, he's two twenty five. Danny drafted him. He
Speaker 1: can guard multiple positions, He's a high level scorer. There's
Speaker 1: some stuff in the postseason that's always been a little
Speaker 1: bit odd. For his career, he's nineteen points, he's five boards,
Speaker 1: he's three sis. Last year he was twenty two points,
Speaker 1: six rebounds, five assists, shooting thirty three percent from three
Speaker 1: forty seven percent from a floor. And at the age
Speaker 1: of twenty eight, he's still very much in his prime. Okay,
Speaker 1: So there have been multiple outlets over the course of
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours that have indicated the Jazz
Speaker 1: and the Celtics have discussed the framework of a Jalen
Speaker 1: Brown deal.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem. If you're the.
Speaker 1: Jazz, and if you're gonna do this, you have to
Speaker 1: hold on to marketing, and you have to hold on
Speaker 1: to Kessler, and I think you have to hold on
Speaker 1: to five tonight quite frankly. And if you're Boston, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna trade Jalen Brown, you're asking for a king's ransom.
Speaker 1: But if you don't hold on to marketing, if you
Speaker 1: don't hold on to Kessler, if you don't hold on
Speaker 1: hold on to five, there's no point in trading for
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown because if you just exchange marketing for Jalen
Speaker 1: like old, Jalen's a better player, I will die on
Speaker 1: that hill, much better player. But you know what, are
Speaker 1: you like a thirty six thirty seven win team, and
Speaker 1: therefore next year there's no forward traction. The other thing is,
Speaker 1: if you trade for Jalen Brown, and if you hold
Speaker 1: on a market in, if you hold on a Kessler,
Speaker 1: if you hold on a five, you might as well
Speaker 1: just call Oklahoma City and say, hey, good luck drafting
Speaker 1: you with our pick next year that we're gonna lose
Speaker 1: cause we're gonna be outside of the top eight, and
Speaker 1: therefore it just goes to Okay. See how much motivation
Speaker 1: is there from Austin age.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, I don't think the Jazz
Speaker 1: do this deal. If I had to guess, I think
Speaker 1: Boston's probably asking for too much. And I think the
Speaker 1: Jazz probably make the pick tonight to five, probably make
Speaker 1: the pick of twenty one, maybe even two second rounders,
Speaker 1: and continue to try to shed salary with some of
Speaker 1: their veteran pieces.
Speaker 2: But in the name of a long game.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're taking a massive step forward anytime soon.
Speaker 2: But only time will tell. Oh, we got a busy show,
Speaker 2: a lot to do, don't forget.
Speaker 1: We'll say good night for this show at six o'clock
Speaker 1: Mountain time, and then make way for our live NBA
Speaker 1: draft coverage, which I will be anchoring and live in studio.
Speaker 1: We will have Gordy Chiasa and Richard Smith combined. That's
Speaker 1: like ninety years of NBA talent evaluation experience, So pump
Speaker 1: for that and pump for this. I would imagine we're
Speaker 1: going live to Brooklyn where we find Tim Bontems from ESPN.
Speaker 2: Is that a fair Is that a fair assumption? Timmy?
Speaker 5: You on the ground, I can't keep up with Gordonia.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm sitting on the floor at Barclay Center
Speaker 5: right now, where we'll be actually starting a few hours,
Speaker 5: and we'll see how everything shakes out.
Speaker 2: Okay, very nice.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you making time for a little old
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City radio station on Draft Day.
Speaker 2: Tim, it's very nice of you.
Speaker 1: And I'll start with whether or not you have any
Speaker 1: intel on all of these rumors. And it makes sense,
Speaker 1: right there's a lot of synergies between the Boston front
Speaker 1: office and the Jazz front office for obvious reasons, and
Speaker 1: Boston appears to be motivated.
Speaker 2: She had some salary.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade Jalen Brown, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: reporting that are conversations between the two for a framework
Speaker 1: of a deal that would land Jalen Brown in Salt Lake.
Speaker 1: Are you hearing anything along these lines, Tim, I mean.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of stuff going on today. I think
Speaker 5: we'll see what happens over the next few hours. But
Speaker 5: I mean on the podcast, we say actions over words,
Speaker 5: and if you look get the actions of the last
Speaker 5: two days, the Celtics have saved about two hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty million dollars in two trades. So given the Jason
Speaker 5: Tatum injury, given where this team is at, you would
Speaker 5: certainly expect them to probably be looking in a more
Speaker 5: of a gap year situation this year. And so therefore
Speaker 5: if they could make some moves to have a longer
Speaker 5: term lens on their franchise, and maybe they'll do it. However,
Speaker 5: I would say that if they're going to move off
Speaker 5: from Jalen Brown or Derek White, I would expect the
Speaker 5: price to be pretty high. In both cases, it's not
Speaker 5: really high. So I would be surprised if a deal
Speaker 5: gets done with Utah or anyone else. But I learned
Speaker 5: in February that I will never say that I won't
Speaker 5: be surprised again after Luka Danci's trade, and so I
Speaker 5: will boke that in this situation and say that while
Speaker 5: you know, usually there's a lot of talk about trades
Speaker 5: like this and they don't happen in general, I learned
Speaker 5: in February to never assume anything is impossible, and so
Speaker 5: we'll wait.
Speaker 1: See what happened for sure, And look, excuse me. Jalen
Speaker 1: is awesome. I've always loved him. You know, he was
Speaker 1: a pack twelve kid. So we saw some college ball
Speaker 1: of his out this way. Best year probably twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: twenty seven point seven boards, four assists. He's a career
Speaker 1: thirty five percent shooter from three, which is fine, not great,
Speaker 1: But there's so many things he can do that are
Speaker 1: so dynamic. But Tim, the only way this makes sense
Speaker 1: for the Jazz is if they're able to hold on
Speaker 1: to Marketing in Kessler and probably even Five. Like the
Speaker 1: framework of a deal would be all of these expiring
Speaker 1: veteran contracts to match the salaries Colin Sext and whatever,
Speaker 1: and then probably a bevy of picks. But if they're
Speaker 1: asking for Marketing and Kesler and like five, well, I
Speaker 1: don't really see the point in bringing in Jalen So
Speaker 1: I figure from a jazz standpoint, it only makes sense
Speaker 1: if you can hold on to your other good players.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, honestly, I think it would be
Speaker 5: I would be particularly surprised if the deal happens with
Speaker 5: Utah for the reasons you just said. I don't really
Speaker 5: see why it makes sense for Utah, and I don't
Speaker 5: really see why it makes sense for Boston. The price
Speaker 5: point doesn't really match up on either side. I mean,
Speaker 5: the Jazz have this top eight protected pick this year,
Speaker 5: I don't expect them to be very good. I would
Speaker 5: think you maybe ramp it up in a year after
Speaker 5: that Spires, and like you said, I just at the
Speaker 5: price point, it's difficult to see how it gets to
Speaker 5: a place where it makes sense for both sides to
Speaker 5: do a deal. Does it mean it's impossible, doesn't mean
Speaker 5: it won't happen, But intellectually it's hard to see where
Speaker 5: a trade ultimately would make sense for both sides. Or
Speaker 5: you walk away from it saying yeah, I get why
Speaker 5: both teams are doing it, both for now and in
Speaker 5: the future. So bright, Like I said before, we'll see
Speaker 5: what happens. I'm not ruling anything out anymore in the NBA,
Speaker 5: but you know, this time of year, a lot of
Speaker 5: things are said, not a lot of things. I mean
Speaker 5: a lot of things happen, but a lot more things
Speaker 5: are said that do happen ultimately, and I suspect that
Speaker 5: will probably be the case on this month.
Speaker 2: The other rumor that's been out there.
Speaker 1: And you know, in today's day and age, I get
Speaker 1: aggregated every day. I know somebody like you, it's that
Speaker 1: times ten. So I always have a hard time understanding
Speaker 1: who exactly is reputable, who out there is aggregating what
Speaker 1: is actually real. And I don't know if San Antonio
Speaker 1: would move off of two. It feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: with what Oklahoma City has shown you, the term redundancy
Speaker 1: might need to be thrown out the window. Just get
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes between six four and six' eight
Speaker 1: that are, awesome and whether That's Stefan castle And Dylan
Speaker 1: harper and you're throwing A Darren, fox maybe there's not the.
Speaker 2: Redundancy maybe we figured there would be once upon a.
Speaker 1: Time but you, know if San antonio is willing to
Speaker 1: move off of, two when The jazz have done their
Speaker 1: calculation like everybody, else that they Think dylan can be
Speaker 1: a franchise, piece something like a marketing and five in
Speaker 1: exchange for like A Harrison barnes Of Keldon johnson and
Speaker 1: two seems to make more sense because then you can
Speaker 1: actually back up the Austin age assertion that we are
Speaker 1: not going to manipulate minutes to tank and just play
Speaker 1: young kids and not be very. Good and Maybe dylan's
Speaker 1: kind of a cornerstone you've been after the entire. Time
Speaker 1: any thoughts on that potential. Scenario, YEAH i mean.
Speaker 5: That's a very fun trade machine. Trade uh you, KNOW
Speaker 5: i WOULD i would put it in the same bucket
Speaker 5: as what we just talked. About AND i would also,
Speaker 5: say like we talked about the last, TIME i was
Speaker 5: on the idea that you're not gonna quote unquote, Tank
Speaker 5: you're not going to quot unquote manipulate. Minutes there's still
Speaker 5: a lot of ways to be bad even if you're
Speaker 5: even if you're not quote unquote manipulating minutes or quote unquote. Tanking, Right,
Speaker 5: like we just saw The Portland Trail places trade For Drew.
Speaker 5: HOLLIDAY i don't particularly understand why they did, so but
Speaker 5: like they're trying to win. Games The Phoenix suns are
Speaker 5: also not very. Good they're gonna be active this week
Speaker 5: trying to trade for a bunch of players to get.
Speaker 5: Better now they're gonna be trying to win. Games The
Speaker 5: Doors felcans just trade For Jordan. Poole that's a move
Speaker 5: that they made to try to win.
Speaker 2: Games.
Speaker 5: Right those might be the, twelve thirteenth and fourteenth best
Speaker 5: teams in The west this. Year so if you're The,
Speaker 5: jazz Like i'm, like, look if The jazz Get Doing,
Speaker 5: HARPER i would, say Get Dylan. ARPER i suspect they
Speaker 5: can't Get Dylan, arper BUT i would also just say in,
Speaker 5: GENERAL i don't really see a lot of worlds where
Speaker 5: The jazz are good next, year no matter what they,
Speaker 5: say they're going to try to do or not. Do
Speaker 5: AND i think that's part of, why to, me you're
Speaker 5: at least a year away from really trying to go
Speaker 5: in the other direction in terms of trying to push,
Speaker 5: forward simply because The west is an absolute bear on
Speaker 5: a nightly, basis and the Jazz is have an awful
Speaker 5: lot of work to do to even get to or
Speaker 5: some of these other. Teams AND i.
Speaker 2: Tend to agree with.
Speaker 1: You and you know you've been coming on the show
Speaker 1: for almost six, Years, tim so by now you should
Speaker 1: know THAT i really am a good TIME nba trade
Speaker 1: machine type of talk show.
Speaker 2: Host do you understand?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 5: Right, hey, listen. Listen that is the whole. POINT i
Speaker 5: would say that to be, facetious that's the whole point of, today,
Speaker 5: Right like this is a fun if you're AN nba,
Speaker 5: Fan like today is a fun, day, RIGHT i mean
Speaker 5: for me it feels like gay made at THE Nba
Speaker 5: finals because it's been a long. Month but but, yeah,
Speaker 5: look this is a fun. Day and then on a
Speaker 5: on a day like, this when there's a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff in the air and there's a lot of teams
Speaker 5: that are actively trying to make, moves and, frankly there's
Speaker 5: a lot of teams that aren't going to be able
Speaker 5: to do a lot of stuff past today because there's
Speaker 5: not a lot of gap space this. Summer there's not
Speaker 5: a lot of interesting free agents this. Summer like this
Speaker 5: could easily be the most consequential day of the. Summer
Speaker 5: and so because of, that like there's a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff floating, around there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 5: of things that are in. Play you, know The nets
Speaker 5: have five first round, picks, right they got fifteen or
Speaker 5: seventy percent of the draft on themselves, today what are
Speaker 5: they going to? Do you, know there's a lot of intrigue
Speaker 5: in the top. Ten nobody's really Certainly utah is gonna.
Speaker 5: Do you, know it's it's it's gonna BE i, think
Speaker 5: a really interesting and fun. Night and it is the
Speaker 5: night where if you're a fan of the, jazz like
Speaker 5: you should be sitting there, thinking, hey like maybe this
Speaker 5: could happen or maybe that could. Happen like that's sort
Speaker 5: of the whole point of, it and it'll be very
Speaker 5: interesting On austin's first time running a draft, room even
Speaker 5: though he's been in a draft room many, times to
Speaker 5: see what he decides to do and where The jazz
Speaker 5: decide to.
Speaker 2: Go let me ask you about that.
Speaker 1: DYNAMIC i do want to get to some other things
Speaker 1: from a macro, Perspective i've already buried the. Lead we
Speaker 1: actually do have a team that was just historic and
Speaker 1: won the, championship And Kevin durant A, rockett and we'll
Speaker 1: get to some of those things just a, moment but you,
Speaker 1: know it really. Is And i've had a bunch of
Speaker 1: guests talk about, this including the two gentlemen that will
Speaker 1: be by my side tonight With smittie And. Gordy IT'S
Speaker 1: i don't know That i'll use the term, unprecedented but
Speaker 1: it's pretty rare, that just a couple of weeks before
Speaker 1: potentially one of the biggest decisions this organization has had
Speaker 1: to make in a long, time in a very paramount,
Speaker 1: offseason you bring in an entirely new decision maker and
Speaker 1: tell a staff that it's been reporting to other, people
Speaker 1: like all of your work is now kind of at
Speaker 1: the fingertips of your new.
Speaker 2: Boss who is this gentleman?
Speaker 1: Here As austin walks into the, room what sort of
Speaker 1: dynamic do you think that brings In ryan was very.
Speaker 1: Clear Ryan smith was very, clear this is his show,
Speaker 1: now and there's a staff of scouts and talent evaluators
Speaker 1: that have been working hard for years reporting to other
Speaker 1: people that now have a new.
Speaker 2: Boss what sort of dynamic do you think that.
Speaker 5: MAKES i, mean, look obviously it'll be, different BUT i
Speaker 5: don't think it's going to be that big of a.
Speaker 5: DEAL i, Mean i've gotten to Know austin over the.
Speaker 5: Years he's a really good. GUY i think he and
Speaker 5: Usin vannik and obviously you know his father is. There
Speaker 5: Will hardy is a great. Guy, like that's a very
Speaker 5: good group of. People they all have experienced with each
Speaker 5: other and around each. OTHER i think that the synergy
Speaker 5: of that will all be. Fine and look Like austin
Speaker 5: has been studying this stuff for years, too, Right it's
Speaker 5: not like he's coming from The New England. Patriots SO i, think,
Speaker 5: like obviously it's different if you have a new, Boss
Speaker 5: BUT i think in, general, LIKE i think the general
Speaker 5: themes are probably going to be fairly similar to.
Speaker 2: Before.
Speaker 5: Now look if they go trade For Jalen, brown but,
Speaker 5: yeah then obviously that's a way different paths than the
Speaker 5: one The jazz have been on the last couple of.
Speaker 5: Years BUT i think that the synergy of all those
Speaker 5: guys together will be. Fine and like we talked about
Speaker 5: the last TIME i was, ON i think The jazz
Speaker 5: are in a really good a really good position across
Speaker 5: the board. Organizationally now the question is how do you
Speaker 5: get the talent level to match the rest of, it
Speaker 5: and that you, know in a small market in this
Speaker 5: new era of THE nba where it's very difficult to
Speaker 5: have success in the draft in terms of jumping up
Speaker 5: to get A Cooper flag or to get A Dylan, harper,
Speaker 5: right you need a lot of luck to do. That
Speaker 5: we saw the four worst record teams all slide down
Speaker 5: four five worst in this year's, lottery so you, know
Speaker 5: like it's it's it's it's going to be a. Challenge
Speaker 5: BUT i think The jazz are well position to be
Speaker 5: able to turn things around with the people they. Have
Speaker 5: and you, KNOW i Think austin was you, know is a,
Speaker 5: guy LIKE i, said EITHER i have not a long.
Speaker 5: TIME i think he deserves an opportunity like, this AND
Speaker 5: i think the synergy there with all those guys together
Speaker 5: should be should be pretty good and it should lead
Speaker 5: to WHAT i hope is a good situation for The
Speaker 5: Jazz forer quite a while to, come all.
Speaker 1: Right so over the draft and then we'll end with
Speaker 1: the okc stuff and your thoughts On durant and who
Speaker 1: in The west can actually Make Oklahoma city uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: anybody for the next couple of years as they'll continue
Speaker 1: to stay. TOGETHER i want The Tim bontemp's take on
Speaker 1: The Ace bailey. Story WHO i was actually looking this
Speaker 1: up yesterday BECAUSE i had A tv hit last night
Speaker 1: to preview the draft. Tonight six months, Ago Cavoni thesini
Speaker 1: From The. ATHLETIC a lot of the draft experts Had flag.
Speaker 2: At, one and then it Was harper Or bailey a.
Speaker 1: Two now that tide shifted about three months ago when
Speaker 1: it clearly Became dilling it, Too but up until a
Speaker 1: few weeks, ago it was Staunchly ace at.
Speaker 2: Three so we know the deal he. NOW i want
Speaker 2: to be. Careful ace is.
Speaker 1: Eighteen his agent is someone Named Omar, cooper Who i've
Speaker 1: read is somewhat new with.
Speaker 2: This this is.
Speaker 1: Not a reflection Of ace's decision, making but he continues
Speaker 1: to tap out of, workouts and we could debate whether
Speaker 1: or not these individual workouts mean.
Speaker 2: Anything but typically tim in the.
Speaker 1: Past if you're going to cancel all these, workouts you
Speaker 1: have a, promise and maybe you. Do but he Canceled
Speaker 1: philly at, three and he doesn't have a promise of
Speaker 1: one or. TWO i wouldn't imagine he. Does maybe tonight
Speaker 1: will shock us. All but what do you make of
Speaker 1: how This Ace bailey story is unfolded and what do
Speaker 1: you think it means for him?
Speaker 5: TONIGHT i, MEAN i think we'll see what happens over
Speaker 5: the next few. Hours BUT i suspect that they have
Speaker 5: a destination in, mind and you, KNOW i, think you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i think if they get where they want to
Speaker 5: go and they feel good about, it then you, know
Speaker 5: it wouldn't be the first time that we've seen this
Speaker 5: kind of thing, happen you. KNOW i mean, Famously Kobe
Speaker 5: bryant Got john cal part and not take him with
Speaker 5: The New Jersey nets twenty thirty years, ago and he
Speaker 5: ended up with The. Lakers you, know we've seen a
Speaker 5: lot of instances in the past where, uh you, know
Speaker 5: Like Jalen, WILLIAMS i think shut. Down you, know you
Speaker 5: mentioned the thunder went in the. Title i'm pretty Sure
Speaker 5: Jalen williams is The thunder shut, down his workouts are
Speaker 5: after the combine and ended up going to The thunder at. Twelve,
Speaker 5: like this isn't A this isn't really a new. Phenomenon,
Speaker 5: obviously there's a lot of intrigue about it because of
Speaker 5: Where ace is sitting in the, Draft but you, KNOW
Speaker 5: i don't Think ace has falling out of the top.
Speaker 5: TEN i don't think it's falling out of the top
Speaker 5: six to seven. Personally and you, know, look this is
Speaker 5: one of those things where if he ends, up LIKE i,
Speaker 5: said if he ends up in the destination he hopes
Speaker 5: to be, in and LIKE i, said it does seem
Speaker 5: like he has one and he ends up having a great,
Speaker 5: career then we'll look back on it and, say, hey
Speaker 5: good job by him getting to the place he wanted
Speaker 5: to go and it all worked out, great, Right so you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i think that's just sort of how you know
Speaker 5: at times in the. Draft, like, look if you think
Speaker 5: about it this, way if you're a, player right you're
Speaker 5: going into THE Nba, Draft you're likely going to be
Speaker 5: with your team for if you're good for the next. Decade,
Speaker 5: Right so if you have a, chance in my, opinion
Speaker 5: if you have a chance to influence where you're going
Speaker 5: to work for the next ten. Years, YEAH i would
Speaker 5: be and going to try to do that.
Speaker 7: If it was.
Speaker 5: Me now will it? Work do they have a? Plan
Speaker 5: these are all good, questions like we will see what happens.
Speaker 5: Tonight BUT i do think, that you, KNOW i can
Speaker 5: understand why any player would do, That and, Honestly i'm
Speaker 5: a little surprised that we don't see more of that
Speaker 5: from guys at the very top of the. Draft like,
Speaker 5: Famously John elway was, Like i'm not playing for The
Speaker 5: colts way back in the, day, right you, KNOW i
Speaker 5: managed That i'm not playing for The San Diego. Chargers
Speaker 5: Hey mann went back to the, School so you want
Speaker 5: to play for The. Jets that has happened more in
Speaker 5: football that it's happened in THE, nba which is. INTERESTING
Speaker 5: i don't really know why the answer is to. That
Speaker 5: but we haven't ever seen like a number like Said
Speaker 5: Cooper plague this year was LIKE i don't want to
Speaker 5: play for The. Mavericks i'm gonna go somewhere. Else like
Speaker 5: we just haven't really ever seen that. Before but LIKE i,
Speaker 5: said for a guy to have the next nine or
Speaker 5: ten years decided by some pingpong balls or a trade
Speaker 5: or a random thing like. THAT i can understand if somebody's,
Speaker 5: Like i'd rather go somewhere else to try to get.
Speaker 5: There and by the, way the other thing, Too, spence is,
Speaker 5: like if The sixers want to take As, bailey nothing's
Speaker 5: stopping them from taking, them, Right it's, like it's not
Speaker 5: like there's like any rule against.
Speaker 6: It you, know.
Speaker 5: If he didn't work them. Out And i'm with you,
Speaker 5: ALSO i know you weren't making a commentary on. IT
Speaker 5: i think these workouts are, silly and there's voluminous evidence
Speaker 5: of what all these guys do in. GAMES i would
Speaker 5: be a lot more in that than what they're doing
Speaker 5: in a you, know a ran to work out In.
Speaker 5: May but you, know it's all part of the. Process
Speaker 5: and again it's one of many reasons why this draft
Speaker 5: night in particular is going to be pretty. Interesting all.
Speaker 1: Right, so since you AND i last, Spoke Oklahoma city
Speaker 1: culminated what tim was a historic, season as you and,
Speaker 1: others you, know McMahon and mcminnimon and everybody that joins
Speaker 1: us from your outlet have outlined all year, long and
Speaker 1: maybe we should have been a little bit more frosty
Speaker 1: to the scenario and just giving them their flowers instead
Speaker 1: of waiting to see if they could do what they just.
Speaker 1: Did i'm always skeptical of a young group that has
Speaker 1: never had a deep playoff, run but they shut everybody
Speaker 1: up and deserving. Champs so we'll get to The pacer
Speaker 1: side of. It The halliburton stuff. Sucks The east is wide.
Speaker 1: Open but my two tiered question for, You tim is
Speaker 1: what Did Oklahoma City championship say to you about where
Speaker 1: they are now and where they could be if they
Speaker 1: continue to make these savvy moves with surrounding this group
Speaker 1: with the right.
Speaker 2: Pieces this was.
Speaker 5: The Worst thunder team that we'll probably see for the
Speaker 5: next five or six, years assuming barring, health and they
Speaker 5: won the. Title that's what it said to. Me like
Speaker 5: they're second and third best players of twenty. Two they
Speaker 5: have thirteen players twenty seven and. UNDER i Think Alice
Speaker 5: brusso is thirty one And Kenner williams is thirty or vice.
Speaker 5: Versa every single other guy on the team is twenty
Speaker 5: seven or. Younger they have the fifteenth big in the
Speaker 5: draft to, night and they're probably gonna trade up into
Speaker 5: the lottery to get another. Guy they have talent out the.
Speaker 5: Wazoo they've got the best management team in the. League
Speaker 5: they've got an unbelievable ecosystem there of development and culture
Speaker 5: and those guys playing together and being committed to the same.
Speaker 5: Goal they've got THE mvp of the, League Azeguios, alexander
Speaker 5: who just had one of the great seasons of the
Speaker 5: history of the, sport WINNING, mvp winning the scoring, title
Speaker 5: winning FINALS. Mvp, like there's four guys that have ever done, That, Shack, Michael, Jordan,
Speaker 5: kareem And Shay. Like that's a pretty damn good, list,
Speaker 5: Right so you, know you start to look at where they're.
Speaker 5: AT i, mean, yes they had people doubt them all,
Speaker 5: year like the twenty fourteen to Fifteen. Warriors that's the
Speaker 5: team who they don't play the same way And shaye
Speaker 5: doesn't play Like. Steph but that's the team that they've
Speaker 5: reminded me of all. Year a team that won sixty six,
Speaker 5: games the team that was doubted all the way. Through,
Speaker 5: frankly a team those data when they won the title
Speaker 5: because of some injuries in the, FINALS i think unfairly
Speaker 5: at the, time, Right and they now have this young
Speaker 5: core like that team With raymond And. Clay these guys
Speaker 5: Have chet And Jalen. Williams they all should extend this.
Speaker 5: Summer they're all going to be together a long, time
Speaker 5: And i'm very excited as a basketball fan for their.
Speaker 5: Future And i'm also excited for THE nba that they
Speaker 5: won BECAUSE i, think you, know this is now seven
Speaker 5: straight years of the new. Champion it's been eleven of
Speaker 5: the eleven different teams out of a possible fourteen in
Speaker 5: the finals over those seven. Years both of those are.
Speaker 5: Records at the same, time This, bob this has been
Speaker 5: the NBA's era of. PARODY i think that era is
Speaker 5: over very, likely AND i think The thunder are the
Speaker 5: new big kids on the block to take. Down and
Speaker 5: if you look at the history of THE, nba THE
Speaker 5: nba is typically better off while parody is fun when
Speaker 5: there is a giant to be. Slain AND i think
Speaker 5: This thunder team does it the right way and they're
Speaker 5: going to be awfully good for a long. Time AND
Speaker 5: i think they're fun to, watch AND i think it's
Speaker 5: going to be very fun to see how the, team
Speaker 5: how the league tries to catch up to, them and
Speaker 5: what it looks like for teams trying to, catch you,
Speaker 5: know trying to take them down next year in the
Speaker 5: years to come after.
Speaker 1: That so you tiered every team in the, league AND
Speaker 1: i have your piece in front of, me and adjacent to,
Speaker 1: THAT i have THE Nba vegas. Odds so the QUESTION
Speaker 1: i would like to ask you is who in The
Speaker 1: west lives in the same cul de sac As Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: City but the reality is the answer is probably. Nobody
Speaker 1: denver gave them the stiffest challenge in the, postseason but
Speaker 1: Maybe Josh kronki is Trading Nikola. Jokic that was a
Speaker 1: really weird thing to say. Yesterday Obviously i'm joking he's
Speaker 1: not going to do. That The vegas odds Have houston
Speaker 1: with Kad now on the roster In minnesota as the
Speaker 1: two teams in The west that have odds that are somewhat,
Speaker 1: close even though there's a big gap BETWEEN okac and
Speaker 1: the rest of The. West who do you think next
Speaker 1: year can at least make them? Uncomfortable and again we'll
Speaker 1: just assume full.
Speaker 5: Help, YEAH i, mean if you're looking at that overall
Speaker 5: tiers PIECE i did the other, day IT'S i think
Speaker 5: the three teams in that next group Ex, houston It's,
Speaker 5: denver and It's, minnesota like AND i would say probably
Speaker 5: either in that order or Maybe, Denver houston and Then.
Speaker 5: Minnesota Like, Denver denver was one quarter away from probably
Speaker 5: Beating Oklahoma. City, right they've Got, nikolejokic if they can
Speaker 5: add anything this summer and have some health in the,
Speaker 5: playoffs like don't have a chance Like dakolokic feels Like
Speaker 5: lebron did about eight nine years, ago, right like every
Speaker 5: time he plays feels like the inevitable, force and he
Speaker 5: felt even like the inevitable force in that. SERIES i
Speaker 5: just felt like they were going to find a way
Speaker 5: to win In Oklahoma city summed it at the end and.
Speaker 5: One but there'll Be delby there to be heard. From
Speaker 5: AND i Think. Houston we'll see About, MINNESOTA i think
Speaker 5: they're a little bit farther, away especially if they lose
Speaker 5: players this, offseason which they probably will in some form
Speaker 5: as they're getting pretty. Expensive BUT i Think houston is
Speaker 5: going to be really.
Speaker 6: GOOD i think.
Speaker 5: Rafel stun's done a really good. Job you. Know The
Speaker 5: fred Van vliet extension today is an example of. That
Speaker 5: like you've seen a lot of teams kind of throw
Speaker 5: money around and The rockets have DONE i, think an
Speaker 5: excellent job of properly paying their, players which sounds silly
Speaker 5: to talk, about but in the new economic reality that
Speaker 5: the league is, in every extra dollar you spend comes
Speaker 5: at a, cost and The rockets really haven't spent any
Speaker 5: extra dollars, Anywhere and even in THE kd trade they
Speaker 5: gave up as minimal a return as they. Could they
Speaker 5: kept all their best young. PLAYERS i really like THEIR
Speaker 5: i think it was the one team that made sense
Speaker 5: For Kevin durant to go to from a fit. STANDPOINT
Speaker 5: i think he makes them a lot better just Taking
Speaker 5: Jalen green's, minutes which is basically what he'll, do and
Speaker 5: they've got a ton of athletic defenders around him to
Speaker 5: make it easier on him. Defensively to this point in his,
Speaker 5: career he's not that much of an impact player at
Speaker 5: that end of the. Court and, LOOK i don't think
Speaker 5: they're gonna Beat Oklahoma, city but that would be an,
Speaker 5: awfully awfully fun, series like sign me up for A West,
Speaker 5: finals not only With katie going back TO, okc but
Speaker 5: you've got you, Know shay And jalen And chet And
Speaker 5: Cason wallace and all those. Dudes going up against the Men,
Speaker 5: thompson who's an absolute, ouse And Jabari smith And Tari
Speaker 5: easton And Al parrenshangoon And Fred Van vliet And Kevin
Speaker 5: durant like, that that would be an awesome series and
Speaker 5: super fun to, watch and it could be a matchup
Speaker 5: we see for a few years. Now so we will
Speaker 5: see where the summer, Goes we'll see what other players move.
Speaker 5: Around there's a lot that's still left, happen including. Tonight
Speaker 5: BUT i do think That houston team is going to
Speaker 5: be awfully, good AND i think it's going to be
Speaker 5: very interesting to see sort of what the next few
Speaker 5: weeks shake look like in terms of how The west
Speaker 5: shakes out and where things. Sit But i'll Take houston
Speaker 5: And i'll Take, denver AND i think both of them
Speaker 5: could end up Getting Olkahoma city.
Speaker 1: A lot of trouble BEFORE i, say you lose, Him
Speaker 1: let's move out, east where no part of me will
Speaker 1: ever be A pacer.
Speaker 2: FAN i can't do. IT i, tried BECAUSE i think.
Speaker 1: It's a likable group AND i Like rick a, lot
Speaker 1: but tremendous respect for a team that nobody saw coming
Speaker 1: to get To game seven in THE Nba, finals AND
Speaker 1: i was gutted WHEN i Saw tyres go. Down like everybody,
Speaker 1: ELSE i thought the same. THING i don't like to
Speaker 1: do the doctor thing as a sports socc radio. Host
Speaker 1: but while we have to give them their, Flowers Dame Tatum,
Speaker 1: tyres the injuries also indicate this conference could be wide.
Speaker 1: OPEN i don't want to be disrespectful to any assist
Speaker 1: longtime assistant, coach.
Speaker 2: Nor WOULD i be to a guy Like mike And.
Speaker 1: Norri Jeff Van gunny once upon a time an assistant
Speaker 1: coach and nobody knew about who rose to become one
Speaker 1: of the best coaches In nick. HISTORY i don't know
Speaker 1: who's going to coach The. KNICKS i don't know what
Speaker 1: The cavs look like when the pressure's. On orlando's, intriguing But,
Speaker 1: Boston milwaukee And indiana are. Compromised so BEFORE i say you,
Speaker 1: loose my two part question is your thoughts on what
Speaker 1: we just saw from The pacers and how do you
Speaker 1: view The Eastern conference in a vacuum next?
Speaker 5: Season all, out the players were a remarkable. STORY i
Speaker 5: was definitely going to pick them to get out of
Speaker 5: The east again next. YEAR i was really excited to
Speaker 5: see what they would look like next. Year, obviously it
Speaker 5: was devastating to See Terry salbert and get. HURT i,
Speaker 5: mean the way he. PLAYS i am at least pretty
Speaker 5: hopeful and optimistic that he'll be able to come back
Speaker 5: really well from this. Injury AND i think once he is,
Speaker 5: back a lot of the stuff they were doing is
Speaker 5: still going to be transferable and they'll still be really. Good,
Speaker 5: Obviously i'm assuming he And chase And tatum a playing
Speaker 5: at all next. Year The bucks aren't good enough to
Speaker 5: be in the mix. Regardless it's Obviously dave sucks Seeing
Speaker 5: dame get hurt, too like that was a brutal part
Speaker 5: of these, playoffs seeing those three guys go. Down AND
Speaker 5: i would say The east is JUST tvd right, Now
Speaker 5: like it's very wide. Open let's see what happens with The.
Speaker 5: Knicks let's see if The cavs do. Something let's see
Speaker 5: what Else orlando. Does let you, know let's see what. Happens,
Speaker 5: uh you, know Kid milwaukee makes some, moves does somebody
Speaker 5: else jump in the game and make a big swing
Speaker 5: for a? Trade like you, know nobody thought The pacers
Speaker 5: were making a run uh last year the way they, did,
Speaker 5: Right so.
Speaker 6: It will.
Speaker 5: Be it will be very interesting to see where the east.
Speaker 5: LOOKS i would say two or three weeks from, now
Speaker 5: and it's probably a better time to answer that question
Speaker 5: because right, now you, know the three teams at the
Speaker 5: top all have, flause and there's not enough separation there
Speaker 5: to really say for certain how it's going to go
Speaker 5: until we see what some of these other moves are
Speaker 5: that take.
Speaker 2: Place dam appreciate the.
Speaker 1: TIME i know you're busy on, draft so thank you
Speaker 1: for making some time for.
Speaker 2: Us enjoy the. Evening we'll get you back on. Soon,
Speaker 2: okay all, right sounds.
Speaker 5: Good thanks for having.
Speaker 1: Me all, Right The Great Tim bontems covers is THE
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Speaker 1: dive on all the prospects that are available for The
Speaker 1: jazz and talk about his. INTEL i be're bringing THE
Speaker 1: tv voice of The Utah, Jazz Craig Bowler jack to
Speaker 1: give us a little bit of a.
Speaker 2: Scene Center porter is going to be.
Speaker 1: Down live at The Zions Bank Basketball center. Tonight we'll
Speaker 1: have our live coverage in THE Nba draft with myself
Speaker 1: anchoring the coverage With Richard smith And Gordy. GA i,
Speaker 1: said two guys combined up about ninety years of experience
Speaker 1: analyzing talents in pro. Basketball our next guest has a
Speaker 1: lot of experience analyzing talent and pro. Basketball as we
Speaker 1: go back to The Barclays center In, Brooklyn New york
Speaker 1: to chat with our, Guy Rafael barlow from THE Nba Big.
Speaker 2: Board, Rafael Happy draft, day. Man how are we? Doing
Speaker 2: i'm doing.
Speaker 8: Good i'm not at The barclays, Yet i'm stuck In
Speaker 8: New york, traffic But i'll be there. Shortly.
Speaker 1: Well in that, CASE i feel LIKE i could interview
Speaker 1: you for like an hour if you're stuck In New york,
Speaker 1: traffic right, man.
Speaker 8: It's bumper to. BUMPER i feel LIKE i can take
Speaker 8: a skateboard and get there.
Speaker 1: Faster All, RIGHT i won't keep you for an, hour
Speaker 1: but let's get into. It what's your LATEST i know
Speaker 1: what your latest mock, Says i'm in front of. Me
Speaker 1: but for our, listeners your latest mock draft has The
Speaker 1: jazz drafting who and WHY.
Speaker 8: I have them going With Ace. BAILEY i know that
Speaker 8: that's not his preferred, destination BUT i JUST i can't
Speaker 8: imagine if he's there at five and he's the top
Speaker 8: three talent in this draft that you saw passes on
Speaker 8: him because that's not his prefer.
Speaker 1: Spot so if You're Austin, INGE i, MEAN i Suppose
Speaker 1: raphael and you probably have just answered the Question i'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, anyway but you can't operate off of
Speaker 1: whether or not a young man wants to be. HERE i,
Speaker 1: mean we know the, score we know the, deal we
Speaker 1: know where the jazz. Play but if you're a roster,
Speaker 1: constructor you cannot have that stuff cloud your.
Speaker 2: Judgment is that fair to?
Speaker 1: Say, like if you Think case is the best, player
Speaker 1: and he's there at, five you got to go with
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 8: Player, YEAH i, agree and that's WHY i think that
Speaker 8: it's it's likely that if he's, available that The jazz
Speaker 8: go ahead and take. Him there's been talk about he
Speaker 8: wants to to go to like a bigger market to
Speaker 8: make up for possibly the lost money that he would
Speaker 8: lose if he by not choosing to go To, philadelphia
Speaker 8: and SO i think That utah besides like the geographical,
Speaker 8: preferences But utah has what he's looking for as far
Speaker 8: as immediate playing, time of developmental curve and a place
Speaker 8: where he can play through. Mistakes so it makes sense to.
Speaker 1: Me So i've been IN nba draft, workouts several of
Speaker 1: THEM nba draft rooms as, well and with all due
Speaker 1: respect to the, process the workouts themselves oftentimes are a
Speaker 1: little bit. SILLY i, mean we've got tape On a's
Speaker 1: from when he was, twelve and these scouts have watched
Speaker 1: him PLAY aau, ball high school, ball college. Ball, LIKE
Speaker 1: i don't know that you necessarily need individual. WORKOUTS i,
Speaker 1: mean it always helps to. Interview they've got the, medicals
Speaker 1: they know the, Deal but what do you make of
Speaker 1: the noise Surrounding a's as a result of him just
Speaker 1: refusing to work out for ANY nba.
Speaker 8: Teams, YEAH i just think it's strategic on his agent's.
Speaker 8: Part they have their destinations and from everything That i've been,
Speaker 8: told it's Either, Washington New, orleans Or, Brooklyn so they're
Speaker 8: just trying to find a way to make a power
Speaker 8: move to get to those preferred. Destinations of, course it's
Speaker 8: risky on any team's part if you draft a guide
Speaker 8: that doesn't want to be, there simply because you don't
Speaker 8: want all the chatter going into training camp or in the,
Speaker 8: season not on basketball about whether or not he wants
Speaker 8: to be. There and maybe it's not as big As
Speaker 8: hardened In, philadelphia but it got to the point where
Speaker 8: it just became a mess and they the, owners ended
Speaker 8: up making a. Trade so you don't want that. Scenario
Speaker 8: but LIKE i, said he's just too talented to pass.
Speaker 5: Up because you're afraid of.
Speaker 8: Just what it's just how we acts if he's not,
Speaker 8: there AND i shouldn't say how he, acts just all
Speaker 8: the negatives. Backlash So i'm.
Speaker 1: Going to take advantage of your knowledge and ask you
Speaker 1: about some of the prospects that other analysts have The
Speaker 1: jazz taking at. Five just to get your take on,
Speaker 1: It let's Do Jeremiah, fears because three different, mocks Including
Speaker 1: Givoni over AT espn And Sam over at The, athletic
Speaker 1: have The jazz Taking Jeremiah fears at. Five so for
Speaker 1: our listener's, sake From isaac, too somebody who does a
Speaker 1: deep dive and all this. Stuff if The jazz Lands
Speaker 1: Jeremiah fears at, five what sort of prospects should the
Speaker 1: fans know?
Speaker 8: About you get a guy THAT i think is going
Speaker 8: to be a star in this. League he's, younger he
Speaker 8: reclassified up and His oklahoma team was predicted to finish
Speaker 8: fifteenth in THE. Sec he led them to THE ncaa. Tournament,
Speaker 8: yeah at seventeen point four rebound four sister. Game he's
Speaker 8: able to consistently get two feet in the paint with
Speaker 8: his foot, speed and he's a guy that just is
Speaker 8: not afraid of the. Moment he makes things. Happen he
Speaker 8: had a game winning shot Against michigan earlier in the.
Speaker 8: Year SO i think With Jeremy, fears if you land,
Speaker 8: him you get your point guard of the. Future and
Speaker 8: maybe like the alpha dog THAT i Think utah is
Speaker 8: missing and.
Speaker 1: They're also Missing, raphael in my, opinion a starting caliber point.
Speaker 1: Guard with all due respect To Isaiah, callier who there's
Speaker 1: some THINGS i like About. Isaiah we talked to you
Speaker 1: About isaiah during the process last. Year but if you
Speaker 1: tell me that your lead guard that you play thirty
Speaker 1: four minutes tonight shoots twenty six percent from, Three i'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you got an.
Speaker 2: Issue so you do you.
Speaker 1: Believe in an area, well the area of need is,
Speaker 1: everything quite, frankly depending on how you view cast. Marketing
Speaker 1: BUT i feel like The jazz need their starting point.
Speaker 2: Guard would you agree with?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 8: YEAH i think. SO i like What kylier. Did he
Speaker 8: was one of the skills of the.
Speaker 9: DRAFT i thought he should have.
Speaker 8: Went higher last. Year the concern with him has always
Speaker 8: been the outside. Shooting and if you just look at
Speaker 8: the numbers right, now it may say That Jeremiah fears
Speaker 8: is not a really good, shooter BUT i think he
Speaker 8: has a good. Touch he shot eighty five percent from
Speaker 8: the file. Line and if you believe free throw shooting
Speaker 8: is a good indication of overall shooting touch and, potential
Speaker 8: then you have to be pretty optimistic about What fears
Speaker 8: turns into in three or four, years maybe even sooner
Speaker 8: a couple of different.
Speaker 1: BOKS i Have Trey johnson From texas going to The
Speaker 1: jazz at. Five you brought Up trey pretty early in
Speaker 1: the process when we visit with, you maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago or a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Ago, now so same.
Speaker 1: Question if The jazz land tray at, five what sort
Speaker 1: of prospect is?
Speaker 6: He you get a bucket.
Speaker 8: GETTER i Think trey is the best shooter in the,
Speaker 8: draft and.
Speaker 5: He's that's a good score.
Speaker 8: That people forget how good of a shooter he. Is
Speaker 8: but he shot out thirty nine and a half percent
Speaker 8: from three on six attempts per, game and not a
Speaker 8: lot of those were just contestant and wide open. Looks
Speaker 8: so you get a guy that can score in the mid,
Speaker 8: range you can poll smaller guards. Up he's all about,
Speaker 8: basketball and that's that's that's. Key you know some guys
Speaker 8: and there's nothing wrong with having interest so out side
Speaker 8: of the. Court BUT i live In dallas And i've
Speaker 8: been watching trade for years and he's a guy that
Speaker 8: is just all about. Basketball and him And Kiante John
Speaker 8: Kante george know each other pretty well from being the same.
Speaker 8: Area so they could have their little chemistry on the
Speaker 8: court between those two.
Speaker 1: Guys another name that's been linked by well one different
Speaker 1: outlet as of now is Kan Kin nipple falling to
Speaker 1: The jazz of. Five AND i say falling because some
Speaker 1: people Think charlotte likes him at. Four so of course
Speaker 1: all of us around here were hoping that The jazz
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to draft a player From, duke but
Speaker 1: they didn't get the number one overall. Pick so what
Speaker 1: sort of prospect Should jazz fans you? Know what sort
Speaker 1: of prospect Is Kanneple For jazz fans that are, CURIOUS.
Speaker 8: I Think conkinepple is one of the safer prospects in this.
Speaker 8: Class he's good shootersh at forty one percent from. Three he's,
Speaker 8: Tough he's a connective. Passer in my, OPINION i don't
Speaker 8: think he has the same upside as some of the other,
Speaker 8: guys BUT i think he has a really high. Floor
Speaker 8: so with With, KANNEPLE i think HE i think he
Speaker 8: would Help, utah BUT i still think you would need
Speaker 8: like your your a, one your, ALPHA i mean marketing
Speaker 8: could be that. Guy BUT i still think you would
Speaker 8: need your you, know your your second score or your you,
Speaker 8: know your second best player to be able to get
Speaker 8: twenty or twenty five a. Night AND i don't know
Speaker 8: if That's kanneple's.
Speaker 1: Role before we move on to some other teams and
Speaker 1: some other. Players The jazz also have twenty one tonight
Speaker 1: in the first. Round so who does YOUR moc have
Speaker 1: The jazz taking to twenty? One and generally, speaking what
Speaker 1: sort of value do you think is there at that
Speaker 1: in that area in the?
Speaker 8: Draft, yeah once we get to the, TWENTIES i think
Speaker 8: it's going to be, really really. TRICKY i imagine there's
Speaker 8: going to be a lot of. Movement so WHO i
Speaker 8: Have utah mocked at twenty. One they may not even
Speaker 8: be picking at twenty. One it could be some movement.
Speaker 8: There BUT i Have John, berenger and Maybe i'm pronouncing it.
Speaker 8: Wrong maybe it's bearing. GAY i, mean My french is
Speaker 8: not the, best but he's a high you can hear
Speaker 8: The New York city. Traffic he's a high upside swing,
Speaker 8: guy vertical lop.
Speaker 5: Threat really athletics still.
Speaker 8: WRONG i watched him play in a tournament In dubai
Speaker 8: about a year, ago AND i thought he was AN nba,
Speaker 8: prospect BUT i did not see twenty twenty FIVE Nba,
Speaker 8: draft so he's exceeded my expectations and he's ahead of the.
Speaker 8: Curve and what he would Give utah would be just a, springy,
Speaker 8: young vertical lab, threat a guy that the five should
Speaker 8: be able to switch out and defend on the, perimeter
Speaker 8: and his role would just be as a vertical lop
Speaker 8: threat and a play.
Speaker 1: Finisher do you anticipate chaos? Tonight do you anticipate movement?
Speaker 1: Tonight because there are a lot of rumors surrounding you,
Speaker 1: know The jazz talking with The celtics About Jalen, brown
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of synergies between these two front.
Speaker 1: Offices Danny ainge Hired Brad Stevens Austin inge worked For
Speaker 1: brad for the, past you, know four or five years
Speaker 1: or whatever While danny was out. Here Will hardy was
Speaker 1: an assistant for Emy, udoka so coach To Jalen. Brown
Speaker 1: there's also rumors of The spurs maybe moving off of.
Speaker 1: TWO i have a hard time believing That i'm hearing
Speaker 1: there asking for the, World but you, know is there
Speaker 1: a scenario and player where The jazz kicked the tires
Speaker 1: on too is there a scenario and player where The
Speaker 1: jazz look At Jalen brown from The Boston. Celtics do
Speaker 1: you anticipate status quote tonight or do you think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of.
Speaker 8: MOVEMENT i think we're going to see a lot of.
Speaker 8: MOVEMENT i feel like any trade that has been rumored
Speaker 8: probably doesn't happen outside of the durant situation where we knew.
Speaker 8: THAT i, mean we knew that he was going to be.
Speaker 8: Moved but, hey, MAN i live In. Dallas If Luca
Speaker 8: dosa can be traded in the middle of the, night
Speaker 8: anybody can be, Traded So i'm not gonna SAY i
Speaker 8: don't think it is. Unreal and then, obviously The celtics
Speaker 8: And jazz front office state they know each other pretty.
Speaker 8: Well they're on each Other's christmas, List christmas gifts cards
Speaker 8: list or, whatever SO i wouldn't be. Surprised but at
Speaker 8: the end of the, DAY i just to understand Why
Speaker 8: boston would Move Jalen brown a year after winning a.
Speaker 8: TITLE i guess they did it with, You, Holliday But
Speaker 8: Jaylen brown is young so has a lot to. Give
Speaker 8: but it would be a win For utah for. Sure
Speaker 8: if you Get Jalen?
Speaker 1: Brown all, right is there any intrigue with the first three?
Speaker 1: Picks vegas is telling us as if now there's Not
Speaker 1: do you feel like we're going to see any surprise
Speaker 1: or is it just going to Be, cooper Then dylan
Speaker 1: and then followed BY. Vj do you think that's just
Speaker 1: what we're gonna?
Speaker 8: SEE i think. So, However Daryl morey is a guy
Speaker 8: that he may not care about all the, noise and
Speaker 8: he may do WHAT i just mentioned that The jazz could.
Speaker 8: Do If Ace bailey sitting there, Five daryl morri could
Speaker 8: could indeed Take Ace bailey at number.
Speaker 1: Three all, Right of all the comps or superlative Surrounding Cooper,
Speaker 1: flag what is your?
Speaker 2: Favorite what's the most?
Speaker 1: Accurate what sort of player do you think he'll be
Speaker 1: when he's fully developed in THE.
Speaker 8: Nba, man that's a tough. One i'd say. MAYBE i,
Speaker 8: mean He Cooper, flag he just is good in so
Speaker 8: many different. Areas it's so many. COMPS i, mean obviously
Speaker 8: you guys have heard The Andrew krolinko. COMPS i THINK
Speaker 8: i mean there's some there to. Me maybe he's maybe
Speaker 8: he's a smaller version Of Kevin, garnett all, Right Kevin
Speaker 8: garnett when he had his he was in his best In.
Speaker 8: Minnesota but when he got To, boston he may not
Speaker 8: have been their, closer he may not have been their leading,
Speaker 8: scorer but he was The he was the engine behind.
Speaker 8: Everything AND i Think flag could could be similar To
Speaker 8: garnett and the fact that he's able to impact the
Speaker 8: game with his, scoring with his, rebounding with his, passing
Speaker 8: and his. Defense what about dealing as big as guard
Speaker 8: net for?
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah for? Sure what about.
Speaker 8: You, know maybe a combination Of Jalen brunson and Post
Speaker 8: Houston Rockets James. Harden SO i don't think that he's
Speaker 8: gonna be the guy That harden was In houston where
Speaker 8: he averaged about thirty five a. Game but if he's
Speaker 8: a consistent version of twenty twenty four twenty Five James,
Speaker 8: harden obviously probably not gonna shoot as many bees As,
Speaker 8: harden but just a bigger. Guard now he's not the
Speaker 8: playmaker As, harden AND i want to make that, clear
Speaker 8: but just a bigger point guard that can get downhill
Speaker 8: and generate a lot of trips to the foul. Line
Speaker 8: SO i see best case scenario combination of those.
Speaker 2: Two let me let me ask you About.
Speaker 1: Mallowatch come, On, malowatch who one of our guys who
Speaker 1: will be on the draft cover? Tonight Richard smith likes
Speaker 1: and off al Lots. Maid he spent forty years with
Speaker 1: The jazz front. Office uh, it it doesn't make a
Speaker 1: ton of sense for The jazz to draft him in
Speaker 1: at five and. Less they're moving on From kessler and
Speaker 1: maybe they are not really sure what that what that
Speaker 1: direction is going to look. Like but what's your analysis
Speaker 1: Of come, on mala watch the kid From duke and
Speaker 1: who do you think grabs him?
Speaker 8: Tonight he can go in a lot of different. Directions
Speaker 8: i've heard that The pelicans would strongly consider him if
Speaker 8: My fears And Ace bailey are off the board of Her,
Speaker 8: washington if they want to go with a double big,
Speaker 8: lineup if they don't Get fears Or Ace, bailey The
Speaker 8: pelicans WHO i had, Mentioned, YEAH i just think he Compliments.
Speaker 8: Zion but best case, scenario he's a guy that can
Speaker 8: anchor your defense for too the rim be a vertical lob, threat.
Speaker 10: A rim runner.
Speaker 8: Finisher but the main intrigue with him is how well
Speaker 8: he projects as a. Shooter we didn't see it a
Speaker 8: lot At, duke but we saw it in The Basketball Africa.
Speaker 5: League we saw.
Speaker 8: Him make a three or two in The olympics and
Speaker 8: he shot about seventy eight percent from the foul. Line,
Speaker 8: so LIKE i said About Jeremiah, fears if you believe
Speaker 8: that good free throw shooting is an indicator of, touch
Speaker 8: then you have to be pre optimistic About molly watched
Speaker 8: his long term potential as a floor.
Speaker 1: Spacer really only one local player holding, intrigue and That's
Speaker 1: Yegor demon who played his college ball At Brigham young
Speaker 1: For Kevin young for a.
Speaker 2: Year what are you hearing? About where Yeg Or demon
Speaker 2: my fault?
Speaker 8: TONIGHT i actually just talked to, him probably about an hour,
Speaker 8: ago and he said he doesn't, know but he told
Speaker 8: me that he got a good night's. Sleep he wasn't.
Speaker 8: Worried i've Seen. Atlanta atlanta was a team that coming
Speaker 8: into this, offseason it was rumored that they were looking
Speaker 8: to address two. Needs one was size up. Front they
Speaker 8: needed a seven footer and then at backup point. Guard
Speaker 8: they made the Movie yesterday to Get Kristoups persingers From.
Speaker 8: Boston SO i think at thirteen they'll target a backup point.
Speaker 8: Guard it could be Between Yegor, demon it could Be
Speaker 8: Kaspar shakachnas From. Illinois but The jegor's draft range is.
Speaker 8: Wide he might have the widest draft range in this.
Speaker 8: Class and there's some teams that really like, them and
Speaker 8: then there's some teams that aren't so sure about the
Speaker 8: shooting and even the ball. Handling BUT i think his
Speaker 8: range could be anywhere from like nine to.
Speaker 1: Eighteen you, know we've all experienced draft night where we've
Speaker 1: had to watch a player, slide sometimes all the way
Speaker 1: out of the first.
Speaker 2: ROUND i called The.
Speaker 1: Rishard Lewis kurtz for old SCHOOL nba, fans and there's
Speaker 1: nothing more. Uncomfortable you're just feeling so bad for the young.
Speaker 1: Prospect give me The Raphael barlow take on the prospect
Speaker 1: most likely to.
Speaker 2: Slide anything you're hearing, THERE.
Speaker 8: I really have heard anything that's kind of. Tough, HONESTLY
Speaker 8: i have to see these parents and their families in
Speaker 8: a few, Minutes SO i don't know IF i want
Speaker 8: to be aggregated by saying THAT i think someone's gonna.
Speaker 8: SLIDE i don't. KNOW i, mean this draft is so,
Speaker 8: unpredictable and then there's also going to be a lot
Speaker 8: of movement and trades in the, twenties SO i think
Speaker 8: THE nba did a good job of only inviting twenty
Speaker 8: four guys to the green room leave somewhat of a
Speaker 8: cushion for a guy to be able to get drafted
Speaker 8: in the first. ROUND i think would be pretty rough
Speaker 8: for a guy that is invited to the green room
Speaker 8: and he has to come back on a second. DAY i,
Speaker 8: MEAN i don't even know if guys brought two, suits
Speaker 8: SO i think everybody that was invited to the green
Speaker 8: room is anticipating being in the first.
Speaker 1: ROUND i want to ask you About Walter clayton, junior
Speaker 1: who won two state championships in high, school won a
Speaker 1: conference championship AT, iona and he was THE mvp of the,
Speaker 1: league and then won a national championship In. Florida you,
Speaker 1: know talent evaluators fall in love with, youth and certainly
Speaker 1: for a team like The, jazz who are a long
Speaker 1: way away from even being kind of, GOOD i understand
Speaker 1: why you would lean towards an eighteen or a nineteen year.
Speaker 1: OLD i know he's a little bit, older but the
Speaker 1: kid just wins wherever he's, at and there's a little
Speaker 1: Like Jamal murray esh shot making ability that he. Has
Speaker 1: what do you think about the prospect Of Walter Clayton
Speaker 1: junior in pro basketball and generally, speaking where do you
Speaker 1: think he's going to land?
Speaker 2: Tonight?
Speaker 8: YEAH i think you end up into twenty. SOMEWHERE i
Speaker 8: was actually shocked that he received a green room, invite
Speaker 8: especially Over Jace. Richardson like you mentioned, that we always
Speaker 8: kind of fall in love with, youth and sometimes we
Speaker 8: OVER i guess overanalyzed guys that have four or five
Speaker 8: years of college. Experience But Walter Clayton junior is a shot,
Speaker 8: maker he's a, Winner he's fresh off the national. Championship
Speaker 8: there are some concerns whether or not he's AN nba point.
Speaker 8: Guard he only played point guard one season At. Florida
Speaker 8: he's more so of a scorer and shot. Maker i've
Speaker 8: even had AN sec coach tell me that because most
Speaker 8: of his shots are off the, dribble and usually guys
Speaker 8: who prefer to score a lot off the dribble are are.
Speaker 8: Starters and so he wondered if he's playing like an
Speaker 8: off the bench, role and if he's a planer reduced,
Speaker 8: role is he going to have the freedom to play
Speaker 8: how we played At florida with a lot of pull up.
Speaker 6: Jumpers and step backs and so.
Speaker 8: On SO i think he'll be drafted in the first,
Speaker 8: round BUT i think how well he. PERFORMED i think
Speaker 8: IT'S i, mean it's a it's a vague answer, here
Speaker 8: BUT i think fit is going to be, really really
Speaker 8: important for.
Speaker 1: Him we've seen locally and nationally a tremendous amount of
Speaker 1: star players that have been found in mid, lottery late,
Speaker 1: lottery late first. Round you, Know John, Stockton carmel And Donovan,
Speaker 1: Mitchell Rudy, Gobert Gordon. HAYWARD i could keep, going and
Speaker 1: The Oklahoma City thunder just won a, championship and There
Speaker 1: lynchpin was.
Speaker 2: Not a top five, Pick Kawhi.
Speaker 1: Leonard we could continue to list, names as you, know
Speaker 1: give me a, Name, raphael of a player that you
Speaker 1: think will not be drafted top, five top, eight that
Speaker 1: may slide mid lottery or late first, round that we'll
Speaker 1: be talking about in five six years as a guy
Speaker 1: that should have been drafted.
Speaker 8: HIGHER i would go With Stanford's. Maxine right. Now i've
Speaker 8: Been i've been called an industry plant just Because i'm
Speaker 8: so high On. Reno BUT i just think he's been
Speaker 8: hiding and playing. Sight he was second in THE acc and, scoring.
Speaker 8: Rebounding he's a seven. Footer he has twenty points eleven.
Speaker 8: Rebounds he made the most threes IN ncaa history by
Speaker 8: a seven footer and a guy that you're familiar, With
Speaker 8: Lori markinen is the one that holds that. Record and
Speaker 8: then he's also A Lake bloomer started playing. Basketball lake
Speaker 8: was a swimmer growing up In, france and he entered
Speaker 8: college basketball on a partial. Scholarship so within the last
Speaker 8: four years he's transformed himself to a twenty and eleven
Speaker 8: guy and a power. Conference SO i think he's just
Speaker 8: been hiding at plain. Sight he had a GOOD nba
Speaker 8: combine and then all of a sudden he started seeing
Speaker 8: his name rise in first rounds on different. Mocks but
Speaker 8: he's been doing that ahole year. Long so he's a
Speaker 8: guy THAT i think a lot of people are just
Speaker 8: not given enough credit for how good he.
Speaker 1: Is all, right BEFORE i say you, LOSE i wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about one more, prospect just kind of
Speaker 1: selfishly as we kind of figure out how this thing
Speaker 1: is going to go. Down And i've heard a bunch
Speaker 1: of different people discuss the, potential and we'll have to
Speaker 1: see what happens in front of. Him BUT i think
Speaker 1: it's no In, segway The french kid who is thought
Speaker 1: to be a top ten. Prospect but for our, Listeners,
Speaker 1: raphael an interesting story came down AND i honestly don't
Speaker 1: know how to land on it because this is the
Speaker 1: dream of all of these young.
Speaker 2: Men all these young men want to PLAY nba.
Speaker 1: Basketball none of these young men care about winning a
Speaker 1: championship In. Germany but In sengue's, team he's A french
Speaker 1: prospect who plays for A german team that's playing for
Speaker 1: The german, championship and he's leaving them during their competition
Speaker 1: to be here at the. Draft LIKE i, Said i'm
Speaker 1: not sure THAT i blame. Him but what sort of
Speaker 1: noise are you hearing as to whether or not that
Speaker 1: would dissuade teams from taking a look at.
Speaker 8: Him, WELL i spoke with this agent yesterday about, it
Speaker 8: and ACTUALLY i knew about this at the. Combine his
Speaker 8: agent had mentioned to me that there's a chance that
Speaker 8: this could possibly happen if they ended up going five
Speaker 8: games into The German league finals and everything was approved
Speaker 8: by the. Team the team knew, it AND i even
Speaker 8: think that because he's he's not From, Germany he's From
Speaker 8: france And radial farm on the team he place for
Speaker 8: is known for taking chances on young, players actually probably
Speaker 8: the only team In europe that will play young guys
Speaker 8: that aren't afraid to go with. Them SO i think
Speaker 8: they knew that this was a, possibility and from everything
Speaker 8: That i've heard from his, agent this was. Planned it
Speaker 8: wasn't like he just up and left and they didn't
Speaker 8: know about.
Speaker 6: It so he's.
Speaker 8: HERE i saw me, yesterday he was at the media,
Speaker 8: day AND i understand that he's got to take a
Speaker 8: pr hit behind. That there's been some pretty major publications
Speaker 8: that have questioned just how committed he would be a
Speaker 8: team because of this. Move But i'm thrown onder. Myself
Speaker 8: you only get one opportunity to be, drafted one opportunity
Speaker 8: to Shake Apple sooper's. Hand but on the other, HAND
Speaker 8: i get how someone could say that this was a
Speaker 8: little bit selfish of.
Speaker 1: Them all, Right, raphael tell everybody on draft day where
Speaker 1: they can go find your.
Speaker 5: Work you can.
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Speaker 8: Fight, okay no, Problem thank you so.
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Speaker 1: Craig Bowler. Jack we'll do more jazz basketball and be
Speaker 1: a Draft Spencer linton stops.
Speaker 2: By was a big day FOR byu football.
Speaker 1: Yesterday we'll do Some Yegor demen and some college basketball
Speaker 1: launch into the five o'clock hour of the.
Speaker 2: Program then We'll Saga night.
Speaker 1: At, six and after we say good night for our
Speaker 1: afternoon drive, program we will start our draft.
Speaker 2: Coverage we're all anchor the.
Speaker 1: Show james will be producing and then we'll Have Gordy
Speaker 1: chias And Richard smith.
Speaker 2: Alongside all, right we Got.
Speaker 1: Bowler on the show today on the other side of
Speaker 1: four o'clock talk some jazz. Basketball what he's hearing on
Speaker 1: his end as it is a big, day it's a
Speaker 1: big day for The. Jazz it's a massive knight for The.
Speaker 1: Jazz when you have a top five, pick got to take.
Speaker 2: Advantage.
Speaker 1: Man we'll do some college football and some college basketball
Speaker 1: With Spencer linton before we get to the five o'clock
Speaker 1: hour of the, program and then We'll saga night at
Speaker 1: six o'clock and make make way for our draft. Coverage
Speaker 1: we'll have the best coverage in the market by. Far
Speaker 1: i'll be anchoring the. Coverage it'll Be Gordy, Chase Sir
Speaker 1: Richard smith along for the ride to combine ninety years
Speaker 1: of experience evaluating talents for pro basketball, teams namely The Utah.
Speaker 1: Jazz so stay tuned for that good stuff From Tim
Speaker 1: Bond temps live on site. Today Rafael barlow stopped by as.
Speaker 1: Well raphael does THE Nba Big. BOARD a lot of
Speaker 1: noise Surrounding Ace bailey and The Utah jazz potentially Selecting
Speaker 1: Ace bailey tonight at five should he be there available for,
Speaker 1: Them and it feels like he's going. TO i don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a consensus outside of the top, three
Speaker 1: but it does feel like everything That i'm reading to
Speaker 1: this point Has Cooper flag off the board of, one
Speaker 1: As Dylan harper off the board of two To San.
Speaker 2: Antonio of, Course cooper To, dallas and THEN.
Speaker 1: Vj edgecomb appears to be the pick at three for
Speaker 1: The philadelphia seventy six. Ers of, Course Daryl morey has
Speaker 1: proven before to be a wildcard and certainly could be
Speaker 1: a wildcard tonight Con kinnipple at. Four it seems to
Speaker 1: be a lot of momentum in that, direction which leads
Speaker 1: leaves The jazz in a very advantageous. Play, so, okay
Speaker 1: we got a little breaking. News porter say that, again go,
Speaker 1: Ahead John.
Speaker 3: Collins not that this is a surprise at, All spencer
Speaker 3: a report From Scham's sharania twenty six point five million
Speaker 3: dollar player. Option as we've talked about a, lot you're
Speaker 3: gonna take that if You're John, collins and apparently as
Speaker 3: of right, now he is exercising that.
Speaker 2: Option, yeah not too much of a.
Speaker 1: SURPRISE i, mean it's not like The Jazz we're going
Speaker 1: to Extend John collins at big. Money Uh, so this
Speaker 1: just Means john will play on an expiring, deal which
Speaker 1: is a nice bargaining chip For Austin ainge and The
Speaker 1: Utah jazz probably tough to Move john after they first
Speaker 1: acquired him From. Atlanta remember they gave nothing to The.
Speaker 1: Hawks The HAWKS R i give you if you want,
Speaker 1: him he's. Yours they didn't have to give up anything
Speaker 1: For John. Collins and he's kind of like this perfect
Speaker 1: vet because he's not a good. Player he's not a bad,
Speaker 1: player but he does fill a salary cap. Spot gotta pay,
Speaker 1: players you have. To there's not just a salary cap.
Speaker 1: Ceiling there's a salary floor that you have to meet
Speaker 1: as AN nba. Organization so you, Know, JOHN i think
Speaker 1: played pretty well For will last, year about as good
Speaker 1: as could be expected for a guy that has the
Speaker 1: limitations That John collins. DOES i don't think it means
Speaker 1: anything that's paramount to the process. Tonight but we could be,
Speaker 1: wrong because if there is a deal on the, table
Speaker 1: we'll use The Jalen brown, example because several people have
Speaker 1: reported that The jazz and The celtics are currently discussing
Speaker 1: the framework of a deal they could Land john excuse,
Speaker 1: me could Land Jalen brown In Salt Lake city to
Speaker 1: play for The jazz and just for salary matching, purposes
Speaker 1: and also the dynamics we've already, Discussed, like the only
Speaker 1: way it makes sense for The jazz to make a
Speaker 1: deal For Jalen brown is if they find a way
Speaker 1: to hold on to their other good, players because it's
Speaker 1: a linear. Move if you have to move off of
Speaker 1: Like markenin And kessler and draft capital in. Exchange and
Speaker 1: by the, Way boston wouldn't do that, anyway because their
Speaker 1: motivation for moving on From jalen is To shed's, salary
Speaker 1: so they don't Want lowry's long term. Deal at least
Speaker 1: that would be my. Guess Walker kessler's up for an.
Speaker 1: Extension quite frankly this. Year you can Extend walker if you, want.
Speaker 1: So any framework of a deal wouldn't Include marketing And,
Speaker 1: kessler and it couldn't from The jazz side of, things
Speaker 1: because you'd just be spinning your wheels and moving in
Speaker 1: a linear direction if you move off your other good.
Speaker 1: Players because if You're Jalen, brown you want to play
Speaker 1: with good. Players you want to play for a team
Speaker 1: that's actually trying to win. Something it continues to not
Speaker 1: resonate with. Me on The boston side of, THINGS i
Speaker 1: just wouldn't do it because the framework of a deal
Speaker 1: would Include. John it would Include John collins for salary.
Speaker 1: Purposes it would probably Include Colin, Sexton Jordan, clarkson and
Speaker 1: then you, know three to four, picks and The jazz
Speaker 1: certainly have those picks to, Offer so that would be
Speaker 1: the framework of. It and if you do Add Jalen
Speaker 1: brown to a lowery market In Walker kessler front, court.
Speaker 2: You know then you got.
Speaker 1: Something you're Not Oklahoma, city you're Not, houston you're Not,
Speaker 1: denver you're Not. Minnesota but maybe you're something other than
Speaker 1: simply just a playing. Team maybe you are the sixth
Speaker 1: or the seventh best team in The. West that's still
Speaker 1: tough based off of how stack The west is. NOTICED
Speaker 1: i listed teams AND i didn't even list the one
Speaker 1: that Has Lebron james and Freaking Luka doncic or an
Speaker 1: owner with one hundred and forty billion, dollars Namely Steve,
Speaker 1: balmer who has shown his willingness to pay a lot
Speaker 1: of money for his. Roster, now ironically, enough THE cba
Speaker 1: and The Second, apron which has caused so many teams
Speaker 1: to make so many difficult, decisions actually did affect The,
Speaker 1: clippers but it wasn't monetary reasons like The Second.
Speaker 2: Apron punitive nature isn't just.
Speaker 1: Economic you can have draft picks taken, away you can
Speaker 1: have draft picks. Frozen it hinders your ability to change your,
Speaker 1: roster it hinders your ability to. Pivot so it's not just.
Speaker 1: Economic it's also you can't use your tax payer mid level.
Speaker 1: Exception you have draft capital potentially taken from. You your
Speaker 1: ability to to add to your group is essentially cut
Speaker 1: off underneath your, knees. Right and so when the information
Speaker 1: came out about how punitive this stuff was from a
Speaker 1: roster construct construction, standpoint The clippers said goodbye To Paul.
Speaker 2: GEORGE i mean they were adversely.
Speaker 1: Affected not Because Steve balmer is not willing to write
Speaker 1: checks for his. Team it's because, organizationally you don't have
Speaker 1: the ability to really pivot and change your. Group you
Speaker 1: kind of are you are. NOW i want to be,
Speaker 1: CLEAR i think this is too. PUNITIVE i think the
Speaker 1: league has gone too far the other direction and now
Speaker 1: they're penalizing teams for building excellent rosters too. PUNITIVELY i
Speaker 1: understand the, motivation and as we do radio here In
Speaker 1: Salt Lake, city you, know it is a good thing
Speaker 1: for teams that live in challenging places to build, teams
Speaker 1: and that's what we have here In Salt. Lake it's
Speaker 1: also led to the parody that they've been looking. For
Speaker 1: if we just crowned the seventh straight, champ seventh straight
Speaker 1: differ for AN nba champ over the past seven. Years
Speaker 1: it's never happened. Before so mission accomplish if You're Adam.
Speaker 1: Silver BUT i look at this through the prism of
Speaker 1: What denver built With, jokic and now they had to
Speaker 1: say goodbye to rotational pieces in consecutive.
Speaker 2: Years that has really hindered.
Speaker 1: Them When denver won that, championship remember there were conversations
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i Think jokich was twenty six when they won the.
Speaker 1: Title it's, like, dude Can denver run off like three
Speaker 1: or four Straight, well they couldn't afford to Keep Bruce,
Speaker 1: brown they couldn't afford to Keep Jeff, green couldn't afford
Speaker 1: to Keep contavious called Well. Pope they let a lot
Speaker 1: of good rotational pieces, walk and they tried to plug
Speaker 1: holes with young, players some of whom Were Christian brown's
Speaker 1: a good. Player but they bring In Russell westbrook on
Speaker 1: a veteran minimum deal and it was. Atrocious SO i
Speaker 1: know That westbrook had, moments But westbrook always has. Moments
Speaker 1: he doesn't impact winning for a player that puts up
Speaker 1: those numbers that you would like to, see for a
Speaker 1: guy that has averaged a triple double in a season
Speaker 1: and won AN mvp The Russ westbrook storyline and conversation
Speaker 1: when he is done playing will be fascinating because he
Speaker 1: is going to The hall Of, fame but you can't
Speaker 1: win with, Him like he's not gonna win a, ring
Speaker 1: you can't win. Championships or If Russell westbrook is on
Speaker 1: your roster and he's playing more than like ten minutes to.
Speaker 1: Night so we've seen the second aprin adversely effect The Denver.
Speaker 1: Nuggets we've seen it adversely effect The Golden State. Warriors
Speaker 1: we've seen it adversely affect THE La. Clippers but like
Speaker 1: if you're you know a project that was started By
Speaker 1: Danny ainge and continued By Brad, Stevens The Boston celtics
Speaker 1: built up an insanely good roster that should have put
Speaker 1: them in the mix to win championships for like six,
Speaker 1: years and in a way it. Did they went to
Speaker 1: i think five conference finals With tatum And, brown TWO Nba,
Speaker 1: finals and they did get their. Chip but for a
Speaker 1: team that built a roster like that to essentially have
Speaker 1: to break it down honestly.
Speaker 2: Feels a little.
Speaker 1: Unfair like you're you're telling these roster constructors and these
Speaker 1: talent evaluators Like okay you've got to go build the
Speaker 1: framework of a championship contender in this ecosystem with the
Speaker 1: guidelines we're given, you and then when they do, it
Speaker 1: you're telling them that essentially you have to break it
Speaker 1: down or you have no ability to change your.
Speaker 2: Team i'm not a huge.
Speaker 1: FAN i hope when the NEW cba expires in twenty
Speaker 1: thirty they actually look at some different. Avenues, now the
Speaker 1: problem is if you're The jazz right now is the
Speaker 1: best time in the history of this league for an
Speaker 1: organization that exists in a city Like Salt lake to
Speaker 1: be able to get into the. Game we just Saw
Speaker 1: Oklahoma city win a championship and they beat The Indiana,
Speaker 1: pacers who exist In. Indianapolis to small, markets The Minnesota,
Speaker 1: timberwolves according to The, vegasads or the third favorite to
Speaker 1: win The west next. Year They minneapolis not a desirable
Speaker 1: free agent. Destination AND i could keep. Going It's milwaukee With,
Speaker 1: Giannis It's denver With. Jokic it's a lot of these
Speaker 1: teams that exist in smaller places AND nba city that
Speaker 1: aren't free agent, destinations that have been able to operate
Speaker 1: under the guidelines of what THE nba puts in place
Speaker 1: to build championship, teams and unfortunately The jazz are so
Speaker 1: far away that when the NEW cba expires in twenty
Speaker 1: thirty it might be too. Late they've got a lot
Speaker 1: of work to, do So John collins has exercises twenty
Speaker 1: six point five million dollar player. Option but we really
Speaker 1: can't underscore the importance of tonight top five. Pick of,
Speaker 1: course The jazz were, hoping as a result of really you,
Speaker 1: know being very intentional losing basketball games this, year to
Speaker 1: get more lottery luck than they, did but unfortunately they
Speaker 1: fall where they, fall and the four losing his teams
Speaker 1: in the league this year all. Slid none of them
Speaker 1: are drafting in the top four actually outside Of, charlotte
Speaker 1: but the top three picks are made by teams that
Speaker 1: actually are ready to do something pretty special right. Away
Speaker 1: dallas's situation is really really interesting because we don't see
Speaker 1: generational players Like cooper slide into this ready made to
Speaker 1: win experience Like.
Speaker 2: Lebron back in two thousand and three when he's a
Speaker 2: number one, pick.
Speaker 1: The calves were so bad they actually had to move
Speaker 1: off some pieces because there were some veteran players that
Speaker 1: didn't Think lebron deserved the role that he was given
Speaker 1: and when he was able to make that First calves
Speaker 1: team actually decent and go to THE Nba, finals go
Speaker 1: back and look at that. Roster it's wild how unprepared
Speaker 1: they were to be serious about. Competing and mostly when
Speaker 1: there's a number one, pick he goes to a team
Speaker 1: that is a long long way from doing anything. Special
Speaker 1: dallas will have something to say about The west as
Speaker 1: soon as next.
Speaker 2: Year The kyrie stuff.
Speaker 1: Hurts kyrie's not going to, play But, kyrie by the,
Speaker 1: way opted out of his contract to forty three million
Speaker 1: dollar option that he declined and signed a three, year
Speaker 1: one hundred and nineteen million dollar.
Speaker 2: Contract it's team.
Speaker 1: Friendly it actually Allows dallas to use the taxpayer mid
Speaker 1: level exception because they need to find a point guard this,
Speaker 1: year and maybe they look At Colin sexton From The.
Speaker 1: Jazz tim McMahon has reported that on the show they
Speaker 1: need to find some to kind of keep the ship. Afloat,
Speaker 1: Well kyrie is rehabbing That achilles', injury but you look
Speaker 1: At Anthony, davis who's A hall Of fame player and
Speaker 1: AN nba, champion you, know you look At Klay, thompson
Speaker 1: who's A hall of fame player and AN nba, champion
Speaker 1: And Jason, kidd who is highly respected as a head.
Speaker 1: Coach and then When kyrie comes, back Like cooper does
Speaker 1: not have to go.
Speaker 2: To dallas and be the world for. Them he just.
Speaker 2: Doesn't and that's a, great great spot for.
Speaker 1: Him you, know we talk about this through the prism
Speaker 1: of pro football all the, time and the most recent,
Speaker 1: example which is a polarizing one with a local, tie
Speaker 1: Is Zach wilson going to The. JETS i don't Think
Speaker 1: zach was ever going to be a great starting quarterback
Speaker 1: in THE. NFL i don't think he ever will, be
Speaker 1: but it didn't help that he landed with The. Jets
Speaker 1: and as A jet, FAN i can tell you is
Speaker 1: an organization of, dysfunction and, ultimately you, know it is
Speaker 1: about the individual, talent but it's also about the fit
Speaker 1: and the front office and ownership and the coaching staff
Speaker 1: and their ability to develop. PLAYERS i think a lot
Speaker 1: of people will always wonder and there's a little jim
Speaker 1: or for that stuff here as we're sitting here on
Speaker 1: draft day WHEN byu fans love to be the revisionist
Speaker 1: historians to say, like, well you landed in the right,
Speaker 1: Spot Keith smart didn't like, him or he landed in
Speaker 1: the wrong, Spot Keith smart didn't like Him. Sacramento, No
Speaker 1: like he had ultimately five or SIX nba opportunities to
Speaker 1: just prove that he was at least wrote a rotational.
Speaker 1: Piece he was never going to be a bald dominant
Speaker 1: like lead THE nba in, scoring and he was never,
Speaker 1: really in my, opinion even going to be a. Starter
Speaker 1: but could for that cracker rotation in pro? Basketball the
Speaker 1: answer was an emphatic. No and so WHEN byu fans
Speaker 1: do the whole, like, Hey zach didn't land, there, like
Speaker 1: it's the same. Thing he's going to get an opportunity
Speaker 1: In miami and he probably will be able to start
Speaker 1: some games this year BECAUSE twoa doesn't stay healthy very.
Speaker 1: Much AND i don't think it's gonna look, great BUT
Speaker 1: i do make space for the argument like what Would
Speaker 1: Zach wilson look like if he landed With Kyle shanahan
Speaker 1: of the forty nine, ers? Right and so when it
Speaker 1: comes to, fits when it comes to coaching, staffs when
Speaker 1: it comes to front, offices if you're the agent and
Speaker 1: one of these, players you have to weigh a number
Speaker 1: of different things out about the destination that you would
Speaker 1: prefer for your client and for these young men that
Speaker 1: are about to be, drafted because, remember it's not about
Speaker 1: the rookie. Contract like one of the cool things About Draft,
Speaker 1: night one of the THINGS i like about it the
Speaker 1: most Is i've always enjoyed watching the lives of people
Speaker 1: change in real, time instantly winning a, lottery winning a
Speaker 1: bunch of, money winning something. Special ncuba, tournament you, know
Speaker 1: smaller schools that make the ncublea tournament and somehow advance
Speaker 1: two rounds and the coach gets hired By syracuse or,
Speaker 1: whatever you, know a big, school and suddenly his life.
Speaker 1: Changes the lives of these young men will change, tonight
Speaker 1: but they really change with generational, wealth with the second
Speaker 1: contract and the third, contract et, cetera et, cetera et.
Speaker 1: Cetera so the, motivation if you're an agent or if
Speaker 1: you're on a team kind of advising in any of
Speaker 1: these young men is long jeny and is the right
Speaker 1: spot for the long, haul not the right spot for
Speaker 1: a year or. Two, remember for that didn't even have
Speaker 1: his final year of his rookie contract picked.
Speaker 2: Up that never.
Speaker 1: Happens the only time that happens is when the front
Speaker 1: office realizes they made a tragic, mistake like they didn't
Speaker 1: even give him one more year to.
Speaker 2: Develop they're, like we've seen. Enough, ultimately we can't draft.
Speaker 1: Him so The jazz are in a good spot with
Speaker 1: a front office that is well respected and a head
Speaker 1: coach that appears to be a guy that is fit
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 2: Job and so, hopefully whether it's A bailey Or Trey.
Speaker 1: Johnson or et, cetera et, cetera et, cetera this front office
Speaker 1: and this coaching staff can develop this young prospect and
Speaker 1: hopefully be here for the long, haul because, again as
Speaker 1: we talk about all the, time what this organization has
Speaker 1: been able to do is really capitalize on two thirds
Speaker 1: of the formula that you need to build a roster
Speaker 1: in pro, basketball which is, draft, develop and. Retain, now
Speaker 1: the recent returns of draft picks, have if we're, honest
Speaker 1: have been not good at.
Speaker 2: All whether It's isaiah.
Speaker 1: Or keyante Or Kyle there are some things to like
Speaker 1: about a few of, them but the two top ten,
Speaker 1: Picks Taylor hendricks unfortunately has not been able to stay
Speaker 1: healthy so, far And Cody williams honestly had a historically
Speaker 1: pathetic rookie. Year so there's a lot of pressure On
Speaker 1: Austin age and The jazz to get this. Right, tonight
Speaker 1: we will launch you into our draft coverage beginning at six.
Speaker 1: O'clock all, right we'll catch our final break at the
Speaker 1: three o'clock. Hour Craig. Bowler jack is our guest to
Speaker 1: start things off during the four o'clock. Hour but let's
Speaker 1: welcome In Chris. MAMOTT i Hope i'm saying that. Correctly
Speaker 1: Ute Memet Youte Stampede. Rodeo Chris memmi joins us on A. Wednesday,
Speaker 1: CHRIS i. Apologize how are, you?
Speaker 2: Sir i'm.
Speaker 9: Good, thanks it's great to talk.
Speaker 4: To, you.
Speaker 1: SPENT i appreciate you hopping. On so tell us about
Speaker 1: The Ute Stampede. Rodeo what do we need to?
Speaker 9: Know, well, specifically we're talking about the bull riding that's On,
Speaker 9: wednesday the night It's Extreme bowls and it's you, know
Speaker 9: you're talking about draft day to. Day this is like
Speaker 9: the kind of the cream of the crop of THE
Speaker 9: prca bull riding guys that come in and write only
Speaker 9: bulls that. Night AND i saw it for thirty five
Speaker 9: thousand dollars on a one night deal and really really
Speaker 9: a great, ticket a great a great night with your.
Speaker 9: Family hopefully everybody will come out and join.
Speaker 1: Us, okay when is? It where is it and where
Speaker 1: can people go get?
Speaker 2: Tickets?
Speaker 9: Chris, okay it's On july, ninth and our website is
Speaker 9: You Stampede rodeo dot.
Speaker 2: Com all, Right, CHRIS i appreciate the.
Speaker 1: Time we'll make sure to send people to the website
Speaker 1: And i'll look forward to being down there.
Speaker 2: Myself thank, you.
Speaker 9: Sir, okay appreciate. It thank, You.
Speaker 1: Ben all, Right, chris memit You Stampede rodeo go to
Speaker 1: You stampederodeo dot. Com july the nine through the twelfth In, Nephi.
Speaker 1: Utah you ever ridden a?
Speaker 3: BULL i have written a mini. Bull i've never stayed
Speaker 3: stayed on for eight seconds before.
Speaker 2: Though a mini? Bowl so is that like a baby?
Speaker 2: Bowl is that exactly what it sounds? Like not a?
Speaker 3: Baby they're literally like a genetically Mini and WHEN i
Speaker 3: was a, child that was what you tried to get
Speaker 3: on at The Francis Frontier days.
Speaker 1: Rodeo that sounds dangerous as a so, wait as a young,
Speaker 1: child you went to rodeos where other children were allowed
Speaker 1: to ride mini?
Speaker 2: Bowls or you just get.
Speaker 3: On you call it mutton, busting which you get on
Speaker 3: a sheep and it just flails around the entire arena
Speaker 3: and smashes you up against the. Fence, yeah that's what
Speaker 3: we call good time in Rural.
Speaker 1: Utah, now just to be you did say mutton busting
Speaker 1: with an am, Right, yeah, okay, good that's.
Speaker 2: Uh that may have misheard you breaking breaking some.
Speaker 1: Sheep, Okay so as a young young Porter larsen and his.
Speaker 2: Peers you're gonna need, pictures aren't.
Speaker 1: You, Well i'm just trying to wrap my mind around.
Speaker 1: This you were allowed to ride mini bowls and sheep
Speaker 1: that threw you around the, arena and you clearly were
Speaker 1: falling in with the potential of being.
Speaker 3: Hurt, YES i believe probably parents signed some, documents But
Speaker 3: i'm not totally sure on that can't.
Speaker 1: Confirm did you have to pay for the right to
Speaker 1: get your ass kicked on these?
Speaker 3: Animals so Sometimes i'm sure maybe a donation you used
Speaker 3: To they throw out like chickens or oiled up pigs
Speaker 3: at some of the events and you go down, there
Speaker 3: you give them a, quarter you give them a fifty cent,
Speaker 3: piece and you get to chase the oiled up pig
Speaker 3: and maybe take it home to your.
Speaker 1: Farm, well they charge you more than fifty bucks or
Speaker 1: fifty cents to take the pig, home wouldn't.
Speaker 2: They now you get it for. Free it's the.
Speaker 1: Competition, wait so you give them fifty, cents you chase a,
Speaker 1: pig and if you catch, it you can take it.
Speaker 3: HOME i don't know exactly how all of the events,
Speaker 3: go but that was one of. Them, yes The Youth,
Speaker 3: stampede though pretty, specifically especially on The, wednesday they're doing
Speaker 3: JUST Prca bowl events and then they got the full
Speaker 3: four DAY Prca.
Speaker 1: Rodeo will parents have the ability to allow their kids
Speaker 1: to ride mini bowls and then mutton busting with, SHEEP
Speaker 1: i don't think.
Speaker 3: So fourth Of july weekend In, oakley come up.
Speaker 2: THERE i got, you know that's my.
Speaker 1: JAM i got you covered The Oakley rodeo and Then
Speaker 1: i've told you. Before The Demolition derby was my. Favorite
Speaker 1: like these, weirdos crazy people just crashing their cars into each.
Speaker 2: OTHER i thought it was fascinating as a.
Speaker 3: Kid, yeah those are those are those are PEOPLE i grew.
Speaker 3: Up that's that's all the.
Speaker 1: NEIGHBORS i have an idea for a side hustle for,
Speaker 1: you derby rodeo clown be the dude that chases the
Speaker 1: bowl away from killing the cowboy and head and then
Speaker 1: flew it into killing.
Speaker 3: You you would be surprised how many people have told
Speaker 3: ME i should do, that and not like they're not.
Speaker 1: Joking you're, agile you you're, fast you're, athletic AND i
Speaker 1: would imagine they get paid a little.
Speaker 3: Cash, Right oh, yeah the good. Bullfighters there's a title.
Speaker 3: Here we actually get paid really.
Speaker 2: Good way the clowns are called.
Speaker 3: Bullfighters there's there's different avenues. Here see now we're getting
Speaker 3: deep into the rodeo.
Speaker 2: Stuff it's not my. World you have to educate.
Speaker 3: Me there, are for, sure like rodeo clowns that are
Speaker 3: like part of the. Performance they usually got a mic,
Speaker 3: on they're, funny they do acts in between. Events but
Speaker 3: there's also bullfighters who are very. Different they're paid to,
Speaker 3: literally as you were, mentioning protect to the guys who
Speaker 3: are getting bucked, off and they're way more. Involved they're
Speaker 3: like right up at close and personal during the during
Speaker 3: the bull.
Speaker 2: Riding Are they also dressed as clowns, usually.
Speaker 3: But they're way more. Athletic AND i don't want to
Speaker 3: say competent but. Resourceful you're blowing my.
Speaker 1: Mind so wait a, second how DO i decipher between
Speaker 1: the clown that's funny for the show and the clown
Speaker 1: that's really trying to save people's.
Speaker 3: Lives you can tell now you've just got to pay.
Speaker 3: Attention the clown that's just trying to be, funny probably
Speaker 3: got a big stupid hat on in a. Microphone he's
Speaker 3: not making his money as much as as our bullfighter.
Speaker 3: Friends all, right there's a hall of fame for the bullfighters.
Speaker 1: Too i'm telling you should look into this a side.
Speaker 1: Hustle we would all come watch you be a bullfighter
Speaker 1: dressed as a clown trying to save cowboys.
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Speaker 1: our conversation with a Great Craig. Bowler Jack, Bowler Happy, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: man how you, Been.
Speaker 7: Hey, pal good to hear from. You you got a
Speaker 7: nice lineup. Tonight, man you're Right smittye And gordy come, on,
Speaker 7: man that's that goes way. Back that's a combination.
Speaker 1: There, yeah no excited for. It we'll have a good, Time.
Speaker 1: Bowler so, look we know that you're not the general,
Speaker 1: manager but you're of course the voice of the team
Speaker 1: and you work with the, Club so, like what are you?
Speaker 1: Hearing what's your understanding about what we could expect tonight
Speaker 1: from the.
Speaker 7: Jazz you, know there's always little whispers and rumblings and
Speaker 7: and you, know all of his, chat and you, know
Speaker 7: we talked to other people around the league and you,
Speaker 7: know get their take on what The jazz are about
Speaker 7: and just The, west you know. Basically AND i JUST
Speaker 7: i just heard your last take from tearing down The?
Speaker 7: Boss was it The celtics to The? Studs you, know
Speaker 7: there's a lot of talk In boston TOON i, Too
Speaker 7: there's a lot of talk. Everywhere BUT i think The
Speaker 7: jazz are. Aggressive i'd be stunned if they're. Not Look, spence,
Speaker 7: obviously we talked about this before in other, years AND
Speaker 7: i think this is one, of if not the most
Speaker 7: important summer draft of The. Jazz, well if they brought
Speaker 7: In big t in eighty, three they Had mark, there
Speaker 7: they had then stockedon in eighty, Four malone in eighty.
Speaker 7: Five it was a, process but for just one particular,
Speaker 7: DRAFT i think this thing is. Big you got the five.
Speaker 7: Pick you last year you won. Seventeen the fans were
Speaker 7: all in on the growth factor of A Walker. Kessler
Speaker 7: they saw the emergence Of isaiah a, year they saw
Speaker 7: What philipowski can. Do, obviously upset That Taylor hendrix was
Speaker 7: injured and you really couldn't get a good feel of
Speaker 7: what his talent level. Is Cody williams disappointed a, bit
Speaker 7: but you, know when you're top, ten you know expectations are.
Speaker 7: High SO i think With austin ings now It's spence
Speaker 7: at the helm and the assets That danny hands to.
Speaker 7: Him there's a lot of possibilities. TONIGHT i think it's
Speaker 7: a busy. Night we'll talk tomorrow AND i could be totally,
Speaker 7: wrong but the opportunity to be busy with a five
Speaker 7: and twenty one, tonight and do you move up from twenty?
Speaker 7: One do you make some late deals or deals during the?
Speaker 7: DRAFT i think it's busy at least that's kind of
Speaker 7: the buzz That i've heard in People i've talked.
Speaker 1: To so The austin factor is, Interesting craig for a
Speaker 1: few different. REASONS i don't know THAT i would go
Speaker 1: as far as to say, unprecedented BUT i will use
Speaker 1: the adjective unique for an owner to hire the new
Speaker 1: decision maker mere weeks before potentially the biggest draft this
Speaker 1: organization has seen in a number of. Years and, look
Speaker 1: it's not Like austin doesn't know the. Staff he might Know,
Speaker 1: danny that's my. Guest he might Know Danny ainge pretty,
Speaker 1: well And i'm sure he Knows zanik and everybody. Else
Speaker 1: it's not like this is a Random Eastern european scout
Speaker 1: that you brought over to run the.
Speaker 2: Team like people Know. Austin austin knows.
Speaker 1: People i'm not saying it's completely new as far as relationships,
Speaker 1: go but it is new as far as the loudest
Speaker 1: voice in the room being hired weeks before the.
Speaker 2: Draft what sort of dynamic do you think that brings
Speaker 2: in a?
Speaker 7: Play you, know that's a great. Question i'm with. YOU
Speaker 7: i think it's a tough position For Austin ainge to. Take,
Speaker 7: obviously embrace the moment opportunity once in a lifetime to,
Speaker 7: recharge rebuild a. Franchise but you talk about doing with. Homework,
Speaker 7: look he's in The, East yes he's his dad's been
Speaker 7: with The jazz for multiple years now With ryan at The.
Speaker 7: Helm but you, know your focus is On boston at the,
Speaker 7: time and your focus is On Eastern conference, teams and
Speaker 7: obviously you know something about The. West but now you're
Speaker 7: in a deep dive, here you, know and maybe you
Speaker 7: work your magic in The east with player subtractions or,
Speaker 7: additions you, know and moving a player here or moving
Speaker 7: a player there and using your. Contacts it's really about Contact,
Speaker 7: spence as you know from you know your you know
Speaker 7: your dad with the jazz and and and and everything
Speaker 7: In New. YORK i, MEAN i think it's really how
Speaker 7: do you use your your, insight your contacts and can
Speaker 7: you move one chess piece to appease you and help
Speaker 7: a piece? Another And I'm i'm Guessing austin's got to
Speaker 7: be pretty good at that to be in a position
Speaker 7: where he was with The. Celtics he learned from From,
Speaker 7: danny he's been With Brad, stevens and tonight he'll be
Speaker 7: on full. Display, Well i'm heading down right now to
Speaker 7: The Science Bank basketball campus And i'm axsious to see
Speaker 7: IF i can get a minute with, him because that's
Speaker 7: kind of the QUESTION i had, too is where are you?
Speaker 7: At and you know there's draft picks available NINE i
Speaker 7: believe in all that rank up to twenty thirty one
Speaker 7: second round picks as, well so there's a lot of opportunity.
Speaker 2: For him to move and make.
Speaker 7: Deals but does he actually use him tonight or is
Speaker 7: it down the? Road how Aggressive spence is my question
Speaker 7: does he want to? Be and really how aggressive Does
Speaker 7: ryan want him to Be hockey's on the upswing The Jazz.
Speaker 7: NATION i thought last year did a remarkable. Job you,
Speaker 7: talk we talked a lot about this during the season
Speaker 7: that when you were there and dropped by the, BOOTH
Speaker 7: i mean you were. IMPRESSED i was. IMPRESSED i Thought
Speaker 7: Delta center hung tough throughout the entire season with watching
Speaker 7: the young guys. Grow AND i keep going back to
Speaker 7: the time, too when When Will hardy said earlier in
Speaker 7: his career that you, know this isn't an easy place to.
Speaker 7: WORK i, mean THE nba is for the. Elite some
Speaker 7: will make, it some will. Not who has the guts
Speaker 7: to put the work. In and we're probably going to
Speaker 7: start seeing three years now Into will's career as the head,
Speaker 7: coach the data, points the, data the data is all
Speaker 7: in on these you, know these these picks That will
Speaker 7: was a part. Of AND i think the question is
Speaker 7: we might get some answers here in the next, week maybe,
Speaker 7: tonight who, stays who, goes and you know who is
Speaker 7: going to be a part of the. Cores AND i
Speaker 7: think those are big questions that have to be. Answered
Speaker 7: and you know What Austin ainge is going to help
Speaker 7: answer him you.
Speaker 1: Know the other Dynamic craig that this brings into play
Speaker 1: With austin is now the decision maker is he did
Speaker 1: not draft any of the players it has been drafted
Speaker 1: over the past few. Years he did not trade For,
Speaker 1: lowry he did not trade For. Walker literally zero of
Speaker 1: these players Have austin's fingerprints on, them which leads me
Speaker 1: to believe they're zero players on the roster that he've
Speaker 1: used as. Untouchable AND i think that's. FAIR i, MEAN
Speaker 1: i don't want to dismiss and diminish and disrespect a
Speaker 1: veteran Like lowry or a young player Like, Walker but
Speaker 1: outside of those, two and maybe even including those, Two
Speaker 1: i'm not sure That austin to use anybody As, okay
Speaker 1: they have proven to me that they are part of
Speaker 1: this thing long, term which really brings everything into play
Speaker 1: and it makes it kind of.
Speaker 7: Fun, yeah you know, what that's another great point in any,
Speaker 7: business and you've been, Involved i've been INVOLVED. Cbs for,
Speaker 7: me new people come, in they make, them they make,
Speaker 7: change they put someone that they do have a finger print,
Speaker 7: on and then there's an untouchable on. Occasion but same At,
Speaker 7: fox same AT. Ksl radio is no different and you,
Speaker 7: KNOW i go back To Dennis. Lindsay you, know he
Speaker 7: was very. Protective you remember of a guy you know
Speaker 7: that came out Of, australia you, know you Know, dante
Speaker 7: and it was tough for him to admit it wasn't
Speaker 7: going to. Work and that's what you just alluded, to
Speaker 7: is the fingerprint of protecting your pick because it reflects
Speaker 7: on your decision making and if you go someplace, else
Speaker 7: then you, say look look WHAT i. Did AND i
Speaker 7: think you make a great. Point these players are, players
Speaker 7: AND i know Or danny And austin during the process respect.
Speaker 7: That but at the same, TIME i think the way
Speaker 7: the business is run is that you know, what IF
Speaker 7: i got to move, you that's just part of the.
Speaker 7: Business and you, know the relationship probably is not let's
Speaker 7: just call it what it.
Speaker 2: Is it can't be that.
Speaker 7: Strong but he hasn't had a chance to even get
Speaker 7: to know them as much as you would, Love Like
Speaker 7: teddy drafted, him it's a totally different. Ballgame Will hardy's
Speaker 7: invested because he's coached all these guys and helped helped
Speaker 7: develop and watch their. Maturation but, Yeah austin's in a
Speaker 7: Position SPENCE i think is a, great great point could
Speaker 7: make moves without a lot of emotion. Attached does that
Speaker 7: make sense because a lot of gms have trouble moving
Speaker 7: a pick that they actually brought in or a free
Speaker 7: agent that they made you, know that they brought in as.
Speaker 7: Well SO i think, tonight you, know maybe not as
Speaker 7: an emotional one For, austin but, yet let's be, honest
Speaker 7: the pressure's. ON i think there's a lot of pressure
Speaker 7: to push this team.
Speaker 1: Ahead well In austin's, Dad danny at his introductory press
Speaker 1: conference when he was announced as THE ceo Of Jazz,
Speaker 1: basketball AND i always chuckle WHEN i bring this. Lineup
Speaker 1: it just made me laugh Because i've Known danny SINCE
Speaker 1: i was a. Kid he, said you all should know
Speaker 1: THAT i remove emotion from decision making when it comes
Speaker 1: to roster. Construction then he Traded donovan and he Traded
Speaker 1: rudy like he broke the whole thing, down you. Know
Speaker 1: and SO i would Imagine austin operates very much in
Speaker 1: the same mold as his.
Speaker 7: Pops, YEAH i wouldn't be. Surprised and you know, what
Speaker 7: would may get a first real hint of that tonight
Speaker 7: if The, jazz if the right situation. APPROACHES i still
Speaker 7: think most GM's most not, all are working on that
Speaker 7: same basis spence trying to let not the emotions dictate
Speaker 7: what moves they. Make there's been cases WHERE i think
Speaker 7: maybe a player has stayed too long because of that
Speaker 7: tie to a. Franchise but if The jazz need to
Speaker 7: make a, BREAK i would think this would probably mean
Speaker 7: probably mean the most opportunistic time because of a new you,
Speaker 7: know you just said. It he's a loudest voice in
Speaker 7: the room, tonight and it's going to be really interesting
Speaker 7: what direction and just how loud that voice, is because
Speaker 7: there are plenty of opportunities to move, vets to also
Speaker 7: use picks to improve your position and be more. Aggressive you,
Speaker 7: know if they stay at twenty, ONE i may be.
Speaker 7: SURPRISED i MAY i THINK i would. BE i think
Speaker 7: if there's a player that really they feel like is
Speaker 7: perfect fit and they have to go to fifteen to get,
Speaker 7: him maybe that's the case because they have the assets
Speaker 7: at least to be in the conversation and for all
Speaker 7: indications and all the all the websites you've been On
Speaker 7: i've been, on The jazz keep popping up on occasion
Speaker 7: about being you, Know paul's are being. Fielded and that's
Speaker 7: interesting because a lot of times that information doesn't leak
Speaker 7: out because you, know back from your dad's time To
Speaker 7: Scottie laden And kevin O'Connor Dennish, man it's it's like
Speaker 7: playing you, KNOW i wouldn't want to play poker with
Speaker 7: him because they are as straight faced and tight lift
Speaker 7: as they can. Be and that's that's their, job because
Speaker 7: they got to protect the players that are on the
Speaker 7: roster and not, interfere you, know with their with the.
Speaker 7: Relationships but it's it's a you, know it's kind of
Speaker 7: a touchy ground to try to work your way around
Speaker 7: all those all those issues of feel good good relations
Speaker 7: but yet still talking about a player potentially moving or you,
Speaker 7: know bringing another guy.
Speaker 1: In so you, know without knowing the mindset of the
Speaker 1: organization and what direction they're going to, go it does
Speaker 1: make it difficult to tantalize what they should or should
Speaker 1: not do tonight because are they going to try to
Speaker 1: expedize this, Process are they going to try to use
Speaker 1: their assets to bring in a, vet are they going
Speaker 1: to simply just go? Young and you, Know austin said
Speaker 1: during his opening press conference and response to our very
Speaker 1: Own sean O'Connell's question that he will not be manipulating
Speaker 1: minutes or draft capital this, year and that's, fine but
Speaker 1: you do have a top eight protected pick that goes
Speaker 1: to you, Know Oklahoma, city who you know just want
Speaker 1: a championship this year if you fall out of the top.
Speaker 2: Eight so there's a fine line to.
Speaker 1: Walk but as somebody who has a front row seat
Speaker 1: to all of, this, uh there's the old draft cliche
Speaker 1: best player available or you, know somebody you draft to
Speaker 1: fit a.
Speaker 2: Need it feels like they need.
Speaker 1: Everything and but if we operate off the premise that
Speaker 1: they feel really good About marketing And, kessler maybe what
Speaker 1: they don't need is a Big but you, know at,
Speaker 1: FIVE i haven't really heard outside the malawatch kid From
Speaker 1: duke and he bigs link to. Them do you feel
Speaker 1: like that they are solidified anywhere that would motivate a
Speaker 1: decision to take one player over the other based off
Speaker 1: of need or do you think they just need to
Speaker 1: take the very best player possible at?
Speaker 7: Five you, know defense is a lot of things in this,
Speaker 7: league and so is three point. Shooting so you, know
Speaker 7: you're always looking for a six to six guy with
Speaker 7: wingspan and, beyond and who can knock down a triple
Speaker 7: that would be a. PLAYER i would think The jazz
Speaker 7: would eyeball, obviously and the top five six players have
Speaker 7: some of that potential. Obviously you know es eventually make
Speaker 7: a great. Point it depends on What austin sees in
Speaker 7: market in a twenty eight, okay twenty, eight still a young.
Speaker 7: Man but what's the in? Reality what is the timetable
Speaker 7: That danny And austin And ryan have put? Forth is
Speaker 7: this a two, year three, year five ye year because
Speaker 7: at that time The jazz reached a high level in The.
Speaker 7: West is marketing played himself out right of the contract
Speaker 7: and the value that he actually has right. Now he's
Speaker 7: a unique, talent you would, agree being a seven footer
Speaker 7: can stretch the floor and still work himself. Inside BUT
Speaker 7: i think if they stay with the big front line
Speaker 7: In philipowski And walker And, lowry that is intimidating and
Speaker 7: there's some talent. There the biggest question is, turnovers which
Speaker 7: WERE i mean JUST i mean they averaged twenty and
Speaker 7: a half or nearly twenty one a game last. Year
Speaker 7: don't have it in front of, me but there were
Speaker 7: nights that we were calling, out you, know twenty seven
Speaker 7: turnovers and you can't have that and give your opposition twenty,
Speaker 7: plus you, know extra possessions a. GAME i still think
Speaker 7: great teams have great point, guards AND i think that's
Speaker 7: where you. Start you have to make a decision On
Speaker 7: keyante AND i think you have to you, know, WELL
Speaker 7: i think we were a little bit wowed With Isaiah
Speaker 7: callier getting the call in the second half of the
Speaker 7: season and the speed and. DETERMINATION i think some leadership
Speaker 7: popped out That Will hardy needs drastically spence with a young,
Speaker 7: team somebody has to be the, alpha AND i saw
Speaker 7: a little bit of that start to come out Of
Speaker 7: isaiah at the end of the season when he was
Speaker 7: given the. Opportunity you remember he said AT usc kind
Speaker 7: of in the behind the light of a guy Named Bronnie,
Speaker 7: James and now he's got an opportunity to kind of
Speaker 7: prove who he is and that kind of. Exciting do
Speaker 7: they stay with him or is he a guy they
Speaker 7: bring off the. Bench SO i think tonight's PICK i
Speaker 7: personally out of be most likely a backcourt player with
Speaker 7: some defensive of capability that can spark a, team AND
Speaker 7: i think he's got to have an alpha personality as.
Speaker 7: Well you, know that's my, take AND i think the
Speaker 7: front line. Solid John collins still has the option on
Speaker 7: his and he's played his tailoff last year when given
Speaker 7: the opportunity after he finally kind of decided who he
Speaker 7: was and what Will hardy needed out of. Him but
Speaker 7: that's a twenty six million dollar decision that The jazz
Speaker 7: can either say okay or maybe. Not After, John i'm
Speaker 7: sure he's gonna take. It, SPENCE i doubt he's gonna
Speaker 7: get half that on the open, Market so it's gonna
Speaker 7: be interesting to see how that all works. Out BUT
Speaker 7: i think the front line is, strong, guard, play, wing,
Speaker 7: play still in.
Speaker 1: Need all, Right, bowler let's move over to your thoughts
Speaker 1: on simply a. Rumor you, know and look in this
Speaker 1: day and age of aggregation and this person pretending to
Speaker 1: be AN nba insider and that person just starting a.
Speaker 1: BLOG i don't really know what to make a lot
Speaker 1: of the a lot of these, rumors BUT i don't know,
Speaker 1: either yeah for, sure and there may be nothing here at,
Speaker 1: All and you, know part of me would really love
Speaker 1: to see some boldness. Tonight then there's part of me
Speaker 1: that understands pragmatically that this is a long game scenario
Speaker 1: and that top eight draft pick is something you need
Speaker 1: to hang on, to and it's probably more, likely this
Speaker 1: is my, guess in my, opinion that we won't see
Speaker 1: anything super bowld this, offseason but we will next off
Speaker 1: season when some of the salaries expire and some of
Speaker 1: the young players maybe show some. Promise but there are
Speaker 1: people that have BEEN i hate to even say, reporting
Speaker 1: but you, know there's a lot of synergies between The
Speaker 1: celtic front office and The jazz front. Office danny Hired Brad.
Speaker 1: Stevens austin worked Under brad for the past number of.
Speaker 1: Years While danny was out, Here Will hardy Coached Jalen
Speaker 1: brown as he was the number one assistant For Emi.
Speaker 1: UDOKA i don't think it makes sense to bring in
Speaker 1: A Jalen brown unless you're able to hold on To
Speaker 1: lowry and hold on To walker and probably even hold
Speaker 1: on to, five, Right and SO i don't know what
Speaker 1: The jazz would send To. BOSTON i really, don't AND
Speaker 1: i don't know That boston WHICH i wouldn't Trade Jalen.
Speaker 1: Brown but that's just. Me but if the framework of
Speaker 1: a deal makes sense and is on the. Table do
Speaker 1: you feel like The jazz you would pull the trigger
Speaker 1: to bring in A Jalen, Brown because if you do
Speaker 1: bring in A Jalen brown and you hold on A,
Speaker 1: walker you hold on A, lowry you're able to hold
Speaker 1: on a number.
Speaker 2: Five you're not one of the eight worst teams in the.
Speaker 2: League you're just.
Speaker 1: Not so you're going to lose that pick next. Year
Speaker 1: so do you think something like that does make?
Speaker 7: Sense Pers that may be the biggest answer the question
Speaker 7: and the answer that faces A jazz. Tonight and you know,
Speaker 7: what the comment about taking The celtics down to The
Speaker 7: studs because Of tatum's injury is. Intriguing we wouldn't have
Speaker 7: this conversation If tatum was, Healthy and because that combination
Speaker 7: Of brown And tatum is, dynamic And Derek white and
Speaker 7: you know that That's, BOSTON i thought would Have, yes
Speaker 7: they would take a step back because of the injury To,
Speaker 7: tatum BUT i thought they would just kind of make
Speaker 7: their way for another. Run it's really an intriguing, thought
Speaker 7: is it not that you would want to strip a
Speaker 7: team down because of an? Injury and, yeah he was hurt,
Speaker 7: late so he's going to be out for twelve, months
Speaker 7: they're going to be careful with. Him and then you
Speaker 7: have to think, about you, Know Jalen brown and what
Speaker 7: is he nine years?
Speaker 2: In or is That?
Speaker 7: Tatum but you, know again it comes to how much
Speaker 7: longer and how valuable and what value does he have?
Speaker 7: Back the connection is. INTERESTING i will say that if
Speaker 7: that would happen, tonight it pushes A jazz forward in
Speaker 7: hyperdrive in my. Opinion the other part of that, is
Speaker 7: does a veteran like him or any player around the
Speaker 7: league with that type of, credential does that make a
Speaker 7: younger player even perk up and play? BETTER i would
Speaker 7: probably say. Yes the other part of this, equation in my, books,
Speaker 7: fence is if The jazz kind of state pat and
Speaker 7: they do want to protect the eighth, spot and they
Speaker 7: do pick up the two players or three or four
Speaker 7: and the other two tomorrow, night you've got to make
Speaker 7: some roster moves obviously to fill to fit them all.
Speaker 7: In but the other part of this equation, is, yes
Speaker 7: they could protect the eight by still playing the younger. Players,
Speaker 7: yes they could win seventeen. More they could be a
Speaker 7: thirty let's, say a thirty win team and just just
Speaker 7: miss giving up the eighth spot To Oklahoma, city but
Speaker 7: yet still gain valuable experience and you get a better
Speaker 7: feel of who you, are who, says who goes? Right
Speaker 7: and next, summer with a very loaded, draft you make
Speaker 7: even your More boulder. Moves so there's options. There BUT
Speaker 7: i think the question is how fast you want to
Speaker 7: accelerate the, process don't?
Speaker 9: You?
Speaker 1: Yeah AND i don't think it's ready to be. Accelerated
Speaker 1: but The jalen thing is interesting because he is good
Speaker 1: enough that if you hold on To, lowry and if
Speaker 1: you hold on To, walker and if you draft let's
Speaker 1: Say Trey johnson Or Jeremiah fears at, Five taylor comes back,
Speaker 1: Healthy cody makes a little, progress puts on some. Weight
Speaker 1: keante decides he wants to try to Guard isaiah comes
Speaker 1: back and knocks down threes at a higher clip Like.
Speaker 1: Craig if they can Acquire jalen and hold on to
Speaker 1: some of their main pieces and the framework, like the
Speaker 1: only Way boston does this is if they are all
Speaker 1: in on simply saving money, mode because a trade that
Speaker 1: could work As collins And clarkson And sexton and a
Speaker 1: bunch of picks For, Jalen and if you do, that
Speaker 1: we Have we've we got, Something, greg we do now
Speaker 1: you do sacrifice eight next, year but maybe it's worth
Speaker 1: it if you can get a star player Like Jalen
Speaker 1: brown at the age of twenty, eight.
Speaker 7: You, Know. Spence the other part of this is we
Speaker 7: really don't know the financial mentality of the new ownership
Speaker 7: of The. Celtics they went for six point one and
Speaker 7: The lakers just went for. Ten the value of who
Speaker 7: The lakers and the name brand ten, billion pardon, me
Speaker 7: and six point one. BILLION i wonder what the ownership
Speaker 7: if they're gonna. TRY i would, think if you're gonna
Speaker 7: take The celtics and The, lakers you've got to play,
Speaker 7: ball right or why even purchase such a an iconic.
Speaker 7: Franchise But i'm anxious to, see you know, What money
Speaker 7: still is the bottom, line and they don't want to
Speaker 7: get into the second, Apron so that is. Intriguing if
Speaker 7: they would dump a salary Of Jalen brown to try
Speaker 7: to break it to The studs While tatum recovers and
Speaker 7: then reset their reset probably isn't anything close anywhere near
Speaker 7: close to what The jazz would be faced with because
Speaker 7: free agency and players would flock To boston because of
Speaker 7: just who they. Are but, MAN i, say you bring
Speaker 7: up an interesting, conversation and you know, What we're going
Speaker 7: to get some answers here in the next two to four.
Speaker 1: Hours all, Right, butler BEFORE i set you, loose let's
Speaker 1: tap into that sharp sharp in the, mature you, know
Speaker 1: just sixth sense of. YOURS i want The Craig, Bowler jack,
Speaker 1: gut what is? It what does it tell? You what
Speaker 1: is your sixth sense to tell you your north?
Speaker 2: Star tell?
Speaker 1: You did they drafted five and twenty? One or do
Speaker 1: we see some?
Speaker 7: MOVEMENT i think we go five and. Fifteen that's just.
Speaker 7: ME i think THERE'S i Think Austin age may make
Speaker 7: an impact in this draft. TONIGHT i know it won't
Speaker 7: Be cooper flag, FIVE i Can that's my. Insight. There
Speaker 7: here's just something to think, About. SPENCE i want to
Speaker 7: get your quick. THOUGHT i know you got to. Go
Speaker 7: but Does canipple does he disrupt the top five pick
Speaker 7: by any? Chance is he a domino that could change
Speaker 7: things even for The? Jazz?
Speaker 2: YEAH i MEAN i like.
Speaker 1: HIM i just don't, know like it feels like a
Speaker 1: player Like Ace bailey has more ceiling. POTENTIAL i Think
Speaker 1: COLIN i think con excuse, ME i Think Conk nipple
Speaker 1: is going to be like a good solid ten to
Speaker 1: twelve YEAR nba vet and a pro who can shoot
Speaker 1: it and guard on the. Perimeter BUT i just like
Speaker 1: and maybe he ends up being a steadier piece Than Ace.
Speaker 1: Bailey but If ace was able to reach his, potential
Speaker 1: it feels like he has more like maybe he can
Speaker 1: be one of those dudes potential because of all the
Speaker 1: intoxicating traits he has and. Measurements But, canipple to, me
Speaker 1: is more of a safe pick for a team that's
Speaker 1: actually ready to. Win The jazz needs star power And
Speaker 1: i'm not Sure canipple has star.
Speaker 7: Power, yeah, yeah, no he's kind OF i have a toolbox,
Speaker 7: GUY i get. It the only REASON i bring that
Speaker 7: up is, Obviously Will coach played a duke Alongside. Flag you,
Speaker 7: know he got so much hype and he's done well
Speaker 7: in in. Workouts Ace bailey refused to work. Out that
Speaker 7: just personally doesn't set well with, me BUT i get
Speaker 7: how it works. Today you, know you saw me. Play
Speaker 7: you know WHO i, am and he does have freakish
Speaker 7: measures of six.' eight you Know The trey johnson young Man,
Speaker 7: from texas a, little smaller but still, you know, a
Speaker 7: great a, great athlete and you know the Kid From.
Speaker 7: RUTGERS ace, I mean i've written down a couple of,
Speaker 7: you know names that they respond or at least compare,
Speaker 7: him To And Michael porter junior was ONE that i.
Speaker 7: RAN across i thought that was kind of intriguing. As
Speaker 7: well and then there was an Outside Chance jeremiah fears
Speaker 7: may may Be a jazz selection. As WELL so i
Speaker 7: think there's two or three names that are real potential
Speaker 7: unless something drops early and then that first domino drops
Speaker 7: and it could change, you know a. Whole complexity but
Speaker 7: that's why we go through this. Every SUMMER and, i,
Speaker 7: think again this is one of the biggest biggest Drafts
Speaker 7: The jazz, i've had if not, the biggest Especially with
Speaker 7: austin three weeks into a new job At the helm
Speaker 7: in the war room tonight making some very big decisions for. This,
Speaker 7: franchise bowler you're.
Speaker 2: The man enjoy. The night we'll get you back on
Speaker 2: soon to break. It down, thank.
Speaker 7: You Sir, All, right bell take care and have a.
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Speaker 1: Oh nice of course we've resurrected them once a big
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Speaker 1: our producer was a young Man Named jason shepherd Who
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Speaker 1: now with our FRIENDS AT, byu tv as is our
Speaker 1: next guest friend of, The Program, spencer linton On a.
Speaker 1: WEDNESDAY afternoon i know at some point you may have
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Speaker 10: Told spence that's the First time i've ever heard, that
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Speaker 1: My, life okay, all right, Fair, ENOUGH look i know
Speaker 1: we gotta be quick with, you today so let's dig.
Speaker 1: INTO it i have a macro, Question. First spencer then
Speaker 1: we'll dig into some topics in. A vacuum, you know
Speaker 1: six years ago and my old producer actually sent out
Speaker 1: a Tweet because i'd forgotten i'd made. This comment but six,
Speaker 1: years ago when the RUMORS of nil started to surface
Speaker 1: and the potential of deep pocketed donors to make a
Speaker 1: difference in athletic departments became somewhat of. A reality, i
Speaker 1: said this is, a massive massive piece of potential ADVANTAGE.
Speaker 1: For byu this is something they can utilize and capitalize
Speaker 1: on in addition all the other THINGS that byu brings
Speaker 1: to be able to kind of get an edge that
Speaker 1: they haven't had for quite. Some time so for a,
Speaker 1: long time about a decade, or so there was an
Speaker 1: innate Advantage for UTAH over byu simply BECAUSE of p
Speaker 1: five INCLUSION with pac twelve vers independence and now the
Speaker 1: playing field is not.
Speaker 2: Just even it feels like the momentum is shifted.
Speaker 1: Down south why do You think BYU's been able to
Speaker 1: capitalize on this era to add so many talented players
Speaker 1: both basketball.
Speaker 2: And, football.
Speaker 10: Yeah getting the right coaches in place and on the
Speaker 10: Heels Of kevin young and a winning Season With kolone
Speaker 10: Sataki And kevin young taking the basketball team To the
Speaker 10: sweet sixt team like that first and foremost, to me
Speaker 10: it has to be stated like you have to win
Speaker 10: for your boosters to consistently get behind you, and, say
Speaker 10: okay there, are results this. Is fun we like what. Is,
Speaker 10: happening also the MOMENTUM of byu finally being invited Into
Speaker 10: a power for conference had the fan base very excited
Speaker 10: and exuberant to want to get involved.
Speaker 11: In any way that.
Speaker 10: They can so those, two things being involved and invited
Speaker 10: finally after so many years to the big. Boy table
Speaker 10: granted you're not in a prime spot at that, table
Speaker 10: yet but you're still At the power. For table and
Speaker 10: then winning that breeds naturally a lot. Of excitement and
Speaker 10: then you have boosters that believe and went and Fought
Speaker 10: For kevin young to get him From The phoenix suns
Speaker 10: as an ASSISTANT to byu and then to keep HIM
Speaker 10: at byu just a few months ago when things really,
Speaker 10: ramped UP or i should say a few weeks ago
Speaker 10: when it kind of got strange Because the sun's job
Speaker 10: opened up and THERE were. Nba, opportunities again like these,
Speaker 10: these boosters they know a winner when they. See One
Speaker 10: kevin young is. Clearly that And What kalani satake is
Speaker 10: doing in building his culture and trying to find guys
Speaker 10: that are the, right fit but trying to get the
Speaker 10: top tier members Of the Church Of, jesus Christ the
Speaker 10: Latter day Saints and yesterday's five star quarterback signing is
Speaker 10: a huge boost in. That direction like all these things
Speaker 10: combining have created this this really really big wave of
Speaker 10: momentum and so but it starts with winning and finally
Speaker 10: being at a power for a level because there's just
Speaker 10: so much excitement and there's a. Real Passion brian santiago
Speaker 10: the athletic area to, keep saying it's never, been better
Speaker 10: never been a better time to be involved in this
Speaker 10: athletic department and with, this team and with the momentum,
Speaker 10: That's happening like there's just so much juice and passion,
Speaker 10: and excitement and that starts with being at the big
Speaker 10: boy table and then delivering some really fun winning seasons.
Speaker 1: And also being able to pay these players on par
Speaker 1: or if not more than. Other schools VIA Ni, l
Speaker 1: spencer it is okay that we say that, Out loud.
Speaker 10: No, No question i'm, with you and it's legal. Right there,
Speaker 10: the network the NETWORK at byu to, your point has always.
Speaker 10: Been there it's. Been Fantastic mark pope has has set
Speaker 10: a couple of times, like hey we. Need more when
Speaker 10: he WAS, At bua, he's like we need, more support
Speaker 10: we need more. TIME fence i don't know that the
Speaker 10: boosters Believed in mark the way that they Do In
Speaker 10: kevin young and connected. With him it just there was
Speaker 10: a little bit of a. Disconnect Somewhere So, kevin young to,
Speaker 10: his credit has helped bridge that gap and make it
Speaker 10: more likely for the big money boosters to get behind
Speaker 10: him to even. Greater capacity, but yes it's always. Been
Speaker 10: there now that, it's legal, they're, saying well why. Wouldn't
Speaker 10: we we love, the school we love, the program, They're
Speaker 10: winning we like these coaches and players that they're. Bringing,
Speaker 10: in yeah sign.
Speaker 5: Me up so if, it's legal. Do it.
Speaker 10: That's fine like now it becomes an arms race in,
Speaker 10: that capacity and it's. Totally okay, so yes nil is
Speaker 10: a huge part of it.
Speaker 5: As.
Speaker 1: Well, well, look MAN like i was raised By a,
Speaker 1: MORMON capitalist i was raised BY an.
Speaker 2: Lds, Capitalist, okay like.
Speaker 1: It is a religion and a culture that understands the
Speaker 1: power of. The purse, tell me help me understand where
Speaker 1: the messaging, comes from where there's from my prism and, My,
Speaker 1: perspective spencer a certain faction of people that work for
Speaker 1: the school or love the school that simply refuse to say,
Speaker 1: out loud yes it's, About, winning yes it's about. P,
Speaker 1: four yes it's ABOUT the. Byu, Experience yes Kevin and klonie,
Speaker 1: are elite but it's also about the ability to be
Speaker 1: very competitive and yes sometimes the higher bidder to be
Speaker 1: able to attract these players to come play basketball and FOOTBALL.
Speaker 2: At byu help.
Speaker 1: Me understand the deal where there's messaging in certain, circles
Speaker 1: that from, my prism seem to be very reluctant to
Speaker 1: just even say that.
Speaker 2: Out, loud.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 10: GREAT question i think there is such a negative connotation associated,
Speaker 10: WITH well byus just buying. The players that's the only
Speaker 10: reason that THEY'RE. Choosing byu why would you ever GO?
Speaker 10: To byu clearly they're chasing. A bag i think people
Speaker 10: are so hesitant to admit that they do, have competitive
Speaker 10: if NOT elite nil and boosters, behind this because there
Speaker 10: is this faction of social media, that, says well nobody
Speaker 10: WOULD pick byu if it weren't for, the money AND
Speaker 10: so i guess THAT'S why i throw in the. Other
Speaker 10: things it's a. Package deal the nil and money is
Speaker 10: a big part of that and a huge arm of
Speaker 10: that in making that. Wheel spin if you take, it
Speaker 10: away it. Wouldn't GO but i think that people are
Speaker 10: hesitant and the faction you reference are hesitant to talk
Speaker 10: about money because they don't want to somehow minimum how
Speaker 10: important the coaching, arm is the, winning arm, the experience
Speaker 10: the transformative experience they're promising ATHLETES at byu to become
Speaker 10: greater men and, greater women and. The education they want
Speaker 10: all of the arms to get their. Equal due and
Speaker 10: so with this negative, connotation, around well it's only because of.
Speaker 10: The money that's probably why they shift away. From that
Speaker 10: i'm here to tell you that it's just one incredibly
Speaker 10: important arm in this wield that makes the whole thing.
Speaker 10: Push forward you know.
Speaker 1: What's interesting first, of all the good news is social media,
Speaker 1: isn't real so he can just put. That aside, You
Speaker 1: Know sam harris is The Podcaster. Sam herris have you heard? Of, Him,
Speaker 1: Yes okay i'm a. BIG fan i like the way,
Speaker 1: HE thinks i like the way. He communicates and a
Speaker 1: couple of, years ago After mister musk's Takeover, of acts
Speaker 1: he elected To exit stage left and he did this
Speaker 1: hour and a half podcast and why it was the
Speaker 1: best decision he. Ever made, AND look i. Check it,
Speaker 1: you know that's where we've got the. Draft tonight i'm
Speaker 1: waiting for news on the jazz maybe. Doing Something but
Speaker 1: i'll tell, you, What, man EVER since i pretty much left,
Speaker 1: the platform you realize how small, It is you realize
Speaker 1: how irrelevant, it is you KNOW what? I mean so
Speaker 1: like the people that ARE dragging byu for adding, TALENT
Speaker 1: online i just.
Speaker 2: Don't give them. Any. Credence man maybe it's.
Speaker 10: Just, me, WELL man i wish more people thought, Like.
Speaker 10: You spence and this is not. A, JOKE literally i
Speaker 10: was sitting in my car about thirty. Minutes ago IT'S
Speaker 10: because i had been chided by some friends about kind
Speaker 10: of disappearing on, social media, like hey how come you're
Speaker 10: not posting? As much like where'd? You go like are
Speaker 10: you on? Summer vacation and it's a purposeful move by
Speaker 10: me to just take, a break take, A Breath like i'm.
Speaker 10: WITH you i still, check IT but i don't FEEL
Speaker 10: like i need to constantly. Post stuff i'm involved with
Speaker 10: shows that post content with me involved all. The time
Speaker 10: that good enough for me for in. Large PART but
Speaker 10: i was literally being chided and kind of ribbed. For
Speaker 10: DISAPPEARING but i feel free to, A Degree so i'm
Speaker 10: going to join you in. LINE there i think there
Speaker 10: is there's real power. In That and i'm not saying
Speaker 10: THAT that i feel the negativity from social media, per
Speaker 10: se but it is a very, real ELEMENT and, I
Speaker 10: wish i wish more people could see a big picture
Speaker 10: like you, are presenting whereas, you can you can talk
Speaker 10: about this nil just because there are fans from angry
Speaker 10: opposing fan bases around the conference and around, the country
Speaker 10: Whether it's oregon who's in the battle For The rider
Speaker 10: lions movement he GOES, to byu or it's it's other
Speaker 10: big twelve schools who, are.
Speaker 11: Saying oh SEE b a just because of.
Speaker 10: The money like, you're right it is a very very
Speaker 10: loud and obnoxious vocal minority and the grand scheme. Of
Speaker 10: things And so i'm going to try and be better
Speaker 10: at that and not give the type of credence that
Speaker 10: a lot of people do to this social media wave because.
Speaker 10: It's okay it's OKAY for byu to have incredible boosters
Speaker 10: and support and money and the backing that they do
Speaker 10: all under a. Legal scope now where this is within.
Speaker 10: The rules so let's go ahead and flex where we
Speaker 10: have never been able to flex and do, this thing, you.
Speaker 1: Know the other gift you give yourself before you move
Speaker 1: off of this because only you have a couple of.
Speaker 1: MINUTES left i did a podcast last week and the guy, Was,
Speaker 1: like hey you're getting.
Speaker 2: Killed online how does that make.
Speaker 1: You feel, i'm like didn't, see it, no idea or you,
Speaker 1: get aggregated, no clue like you just freedom is, the
Speaker 1: biggest the, Best term like when you're getting. Attacked online
Speaker 1: if you don't, see it it doesn't, really happen.
Speaker 2: Doesn't he it doesn't. Even, exist, yes yes if.
Speaker 10: The tree falls in the forest and no one's around
Speaker 10: to hear it or, see it does it actually? Fall?
Speaker 2: Exactly yeah, great point. Great point, all right a couple.
Speaker 2: Things here we'll end With The.
Speaker 1: Lion's kid but before we, get there the only local
Speaker 1: player that is kind of surrounding with some intrigue during
Speaker 1: the draft Process. Is yegor we've had a couple of
Speaker 1: draft experts on the. Show today what are you? Hearing about,
Speaker 1: you know the feedback he's received during this process and
Speaker 1: potentially where we could hear his name.
Speaker 2: Called Tonight.
Speaker 10: So i've spent significant time Communicating with yegor's Camp And
Speaker 10: travis hanton. And others Travis's with Yegor And brooklyn tonight
Speaker 10: and has been a huge part Of why yegor IS
Speaker 10: at byu and his whole, experience there and FROM what
Speaker 10: i have gathered from the combine and from interviews and
Speaker 10: Everything that yegor has done in this really just endless
Speaker 10: process to. Get ready it feels like there are five
Speaker 10: teams that are the, most Interested and i'll list them
Speaker 10: in order of where they pick first, To last starting
Speaker 10: With The. Houston rockets they were at, number ten but
Speaker 10: they obviously traded that pick To The fee suns With
Speaker 10: The kevin, durant exchange So the Yegor to houston feels
Speaker 10: less likely now that they don't have that. Tenth Pick
Speaker 10: The portland trailblazers are a team that's been very interested.
Speaker 10: In Him The chicago bulls, at Twelve The atlanta hawks,
Speaker 10: at thirteen And The, brooklyn nets who have five first.
Speaker 10: ROUND picks i believe they pick what eighth. And Nineteen
Speaker 10: the wizards are in. THERE too i don't think they
Speaker 10: Would take jegor as early. AS six i know they.
Speaker 10: PICK eighteenth i don't think he's gonna slip. To eighteen
Speaker 10: would be a surprise to see. Him there but those are,
Speaker 10: the teams so it feels like he's gonna go somewhere
Speaker 10: between eleven and. MAYBE seventeen i think most likely looking
Speaker 10: at the teams and the conversations that, have happened his,
Speaker 10: skill set the need for a point guard to help out,
Speaker 10: Right now i'm looking at twelve With The chicago Bulls
Speaker 10: for yegor to join a Guy Like josh diddy and
Speaker 10: help out that point guard line and the combo garden
Speaker 10: and his distribution and, passing ability Or The atlanta Hawks
Speaker 10: With trey Young like atlantic could really use a big
Speaker 10: Guard with yegor's. Skill set i've heard that scouts have
Speaker 10: been very impressed in his individual workouts with his shot
Speaker 10: and the progress that he has made his higher. Release
Speaker 10: point he's worked relentlessly to prove to people that he
Speaker 10: is a better shooter than, we saw.
Speaker 11: Especially early in his CAMPAIGN.
Speaker 10: At byu he got better later in.
Speaker 11: The season but they don't talk.
Speaker 10: About that they, just, think ah, you know twenty nine
Speaker 10: percent or twenty seven percent. Rebot. Shooter yikes he has worked, so. Hard,
Speaker 10: tirelessly really that's Where The travis anton youth to get
Speaker 10: better at, his shot and he has impressed. Some people
Speaker 10: so my Best guess Chicago twelve atlanta, at thirteen because
Speaker 10: both of those teams Really like yegor has invested a
Speaker 10: lot of time into him and he can immediately fit
Speaker 10: into their.
Speaker 1: Specific rosters, all RIGHT before i said, you LOSE because
Speaker 1: i know you got, To run so be as short as,
Speaker 1: you want tell me about. The process The landed rider
Speaker 1: Lions in provo to PLAY. For byu, AND look, i
Speaker 1: mean we won't see him for a. Few years there's a.
Speaker 1: Mission thing but what sort of a quarterback prospect? Is
Speaker 1: he and what's the buzz down There?
Speaker 2: In, provo gosh you know?
Speaker 10: What's Crazy is he referenced On the pat McAfee show
Speaker 10: that he got his first scholarship offer in eighth grade
Speaker 10: and that WAS. From byu he got a scholarship off
Speaker 10: From the coops when he, was THIRTEEN and i remember
Speaker 10: vaguely hearing about that, and, thinking wow are we really starting?
Speaker 10: This early but clearly they saw something in him that,
Speaker 10: was SPECIAL and byu was paying attention to his, older
Speaker 10: brother and there was connections to, the family and obviously
Speaker 10: he's a member Of the Church Of jesus Christ of Latter.
Speaker 10: Day saints and there's been a huge Emphasis from kolani
Speaker 10: and his staff to be way more competitive in going
Speaker 10: and getting the best members of the faith because they
Speaker 10: have lost out in recent years for the Likes of
Speaker 10: Utah and OREGON and Usc and power five schools On the,
Speaker 10: west coast and then it's slipping into sec Territory with
Speaker 10: Alabama an Ole miss so the emphasis has been we
Speaker 10: have to figure out a way to go and get
Speaker 10: the best guys that fit, our culture that grew up
Speaker 10: in the religion and make this a place for them
Speaker 10: to want. To be so there was a huge push
Speaker 10: there to accommodate his desire to serve a mission for
Speaker 10: however long that mission is going. To be i've heard
Speaker 10: everything from a year to, fourteen months to a year
Speaker 10: and a half to a fall. Two years we, don't
Speaker 10: know but he does want to serve a mission for
Speaker 10: at least some length. OF time byu is clearly a
Speaker 10: place that can help him, do that and they had
Speaker 10: enough of a. Number financially oregon came in at the
Speaker 10: last minute and offered. MORE money i don't know what
Speaker 10: to figure. It WAS all i was told was in
Speaker 10: That realm oregon offered more MONEY. Than byu but it
Speaker 10: was not just about a strict dollar sign and about
Speaker 10: getting the, most money way bigger for somebody who is
Speaker 10: a member of the faith and has a long History,
Speaker 10: with byu going back to his first scholarship offer in.
Speaker 10: Eighth grade they love what he can do on. THE
Speaker 10: field i hear a Lot Of zach, wilson COMPARISONS and
Speaker 10: i hate to even say this one because people will,
Speaker 10: be like oh, My, gosh spencer, stop it stop. The
Speaker 10: hyperbole but he's a, bigger kid six two and, twenty
Speaker 10: pounds and he's a, physical.
Speaker 11: RUNNER so i heard in a slight Way Like.
Speaker 10: Jalen Hurts So zach wilson a little Bit Of jalen
Speaker 10: hurts in the way, he plays but. Very confident he
Speaker 10: has got a, rocket arm and he's, a really really.
Speaker 10: Capable runner, IN fact i watched, this TAPE but i
Speaker 10: thought there were flashes a little bit of a Guy Like,
Speaker 10: jackson dart especially with him being a. Bigger frame so
Speaker 10: that's the type of player. He is bya, Worked Relentlessly
Speaker 10: chad lewis, TOLD me i mean probably four years ago
Speaker 10: when he was. A freshman i don't know what it's going,
Speaker 10: to take but we have to get that GUY.
Speaker 11: To byu we have to get that GUY, to byu and.
Speaker 10: He wasn't really LOOKING at byu seriously at, the time
Speaker 10: after his sophomore year in. High SCHOOL like byu wasn't
Speaker 10: in his, top five they probably weren't even in this.
Speaker 10: Top ten but the shift to power for, conference boosters,
Speaker 10: nil money the, right culture the right connection with his family,
Speaker 10: and faith it all kind of, came together And Now
Speaker 10: ryder lyons is a five star QUARTERBACK. At byu, all, right.
Speaker 2: Buddy well.
Speaker 1: Good perspective it is an exciting time, down there a
Speaker 1: lot of momentum in the, positive DIRECTION so i appreciate
Speaker 1: the color.
Speaker 2: And context have a great week man with, Chat. Soon
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Speaker 1: happy wednesday. To You Happy draft day. To YOU The
Speaker 1: nba draft begins in fifty five minutes and nine seconds from,
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Speaker 1: i'm going to be anchored. Our coverage We Have, Richard
Speaker 1: smith Gordy Chiasa liven studio combined ninety years, of experience
Speaker 1: literally ninety years of experience analyzing prospects and drafting prospects in.
Speaker 1: Pro Basketball The utah jazz as of now are sitting
Speaker 1: at number five and number. Twenty one no draft day,
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Speaker 1: Spencer linton you're gonna hear from the voice Of The,
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz Craig, bowler jack and then we will launch
Speaker 1: into our live coverage OF The nba draft beginning at.
Speaker 1: Six o'clock but joining me live in studio very, special guest,
Speaker 1: once again My guy Gavin From Honest Second opinion plumbing On. A,
Speaker 1: Wednesday Gavin Happy, draft.
Speaker 2: Day buddy how? You Doing Happy? Draft day i'm.
Speaker 12: Doing great how? Are?
Speaker 2: You spencer?
Speaker 1: SO good i know you're A big utah, Football fan
Speaker 1: but DOES The nba draft move the needle for you?
Speaker 2: At all?
Speaker 12: YOU know i h after, LAST season i just like
Speaker 12: to get more than. Twenty wins.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, it's, Tough man, it's tough like a Lot
Speaker 1: of jazz fans waiting for something that gives.
Speaker 2: Them hope, That's right That's what. I'm, doing yeah.
Speaker 1: And we've been spoiled did. Our market we've had really
Speaker 1: good teams for a, long time so we'll see what they.
Speaker 1: Do tonight, All, right gavin HERE'S where i want to
Speaker 1: start On A Second. Opinion plumbing give me the. Origin
Speaker 1: story why did you decide to. Do, this, no, Right
Speaker 1: absolutely so it all started eight, Years. AGO spence i
Speaker 1: was sitting in my house wintertime and the furnace turned
Speaker 1: OFF and i wasn't sure why it would turn off.
Speaker 1: TURN on i wasn't, working well AND so i called
Speaker 1: a really WELL known hvac Company. In utah they, came
Speaker 1: out they looked, at it and the guy spent three
Speaker 1: and a half hours in my home selling me ON
Speaker 1: why i needed a completely BRAND new, hvac system a.
Speaker 1: New furnace, you know it's only gonna be five, thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: you know not a. Big, deal yeah only, five thousand
Speaker 1: and we'll get you a brand. New one, you know
Speaker 1: this one's way. Too old and so after three and a,
Speaker 1: HALF hours i was just texting my WIFE and i,
Speaker 1: was like please come, save me like get me out,
Speaker 1: of THIS like i want him gone out of.
Speaker 12: Our house and then he. FINALLY left i looked on,
Speaker 12: you know just for a local handyman. Called one he.
Speaker 12: Came over he checked out the furnace and he looked
Speaker 12: at the flame sensor rod. In there he cleaned it
Speaker 12: with some, steel wool put it, back in and the
Speaker 12: furnace worked for another, eight years and so it's like
Speaker 12: he charged me fifty bucks and. Then left it took,
Speaker 12: you know all but. Twenty minutes and THAT'S when i,
Speaker 12: realized that, you Know when i've got a problem in,
Speaker 12: my home there's there's two. Big, ISSUES one i want
Speaker 12: to Make sure i'm finding the right, Person RIGHT like
Speaker 12: i it took me how long to FIND the? Hvac company,
Speaker 12: YOU know i was googling trying to, find somebody looking.
Speaker 2: At reviews it's just it's.
Speaker 12: A PAIN, and i, YOU know, I like i'm already
Speaker 12: upset that my furnace, isn't working AND so i don't
Speaker 12: want to spend the time to go and. Do that
Speaker 12: and then the second THING is i don't want to
Speaker 12: be taken to. The cleaners, YOU know i don't want
Speaker 12: somebody selling me a whole new SYSTEM because i DON'T.
Speaker 12: Know hvac and so, IT'S like i don't need somebody
Speaker 12: selling me a whole new system WHEN all i needed
Speaker 12: was to clean the flame. Rod sensor and so that's
Speaker 12: that's what, we're doing, you know with with your, Plumbing
Speaker 12: issues we're going to put you in contact with a trusted,
Speaker 12: referral partners somebody that can fix. Your problem without you
Speaker 12: having to spend hours or days trying to coordinate with
Speaker 12: them to get them to. Your house and then we're
Speaker 12: also going to come and help diagnose the problem and
Speaker 12: give you an idea of what.
Speaker 6: It's.
Speaker 1: LIKE see i love THIS because i think we all
Speaker 1: can relate to a scenario where we're just not educated
Speaker 1: about something that is wrong with, our car or something
Speaker 1: that is wrong with, our house or something that is
Speaker 1: wrong with, our, teeth right whatever, it is and we
Speaker 1: just don't want to be sold a bill. Of goods
Speaker 1: just be honest and quote me the right Price and
Speaker 1: i'm happy to, pay that but don't. Upsell me and
Speaker 1: it sounds like you've kind of landed in this lane,
Speaker 1: where yes you're running, a business but you also want
Speaker 1: to help people avoid pitfalls that we all tend to.
Speaker 2: Fall in is that fair?
Speaker 6: To?
Speaker 12: Say exactly, and so and that's when we WERE when
Speaker 12: i was debating about starting, this company, you know and
Speaker 12: this is a, new company, you know it's only a few.
Speaker 12: Months old but, you know we, thought, about well let's perform.
Speaker 12: The service but the issue, became, is well how can
Speaker 12: we make sure that we're not using our own self
Speaker 12: interest when we're quoting. Things out, you know like EVEN
Speaker 12: if i can, say HONEST if i start hiring other
Speaker 12: people within, my company are they going to? Be honest because,
Speaker 12: you know these, trades workers, they're great but the more,
Speaker 12: you pay the more they, get paid so they're incentivized
Speaker 12: to charge. You More like that's that's what it boils.
Speaker 12: Down to and so THAT'S when, i decided you, know
Speaker 12: what instead of fixing, the problem we're gonna go ahead
Speaker 12: and diagnose, the problem, you know be able to give
Speaker 12: you the exact same advice we'd give our, own mothers
Speaker 12: without any sort of. Ulterior motives and then we'll put
Speaker 12: you in contact with people that. We trust and we
Speaker 12: were refreshing this. List constantly. You know if if we
Speaker 12: trust somebody but then we start hearing some, negative feedback
Speaker 12: we take them off, our list, You know and so
Speaker 12: we give people a chance to prove.
Speaker 2: Their trustworthiness and you're putting your money where your.
Speaker 1: Mouth is because we are sixty six days away from
Speaker 1: Kickoff for, utah football tell our listeners what you're doing
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Speaker 12: That's right so if you have a plumbing issue right
Speaker 12: now between Now in, august thirtieth we will come and
Speaker 12: do the diagnosis. For free so we always start with
Speaker 12: an over the. Phone diagnosis see if we can solve
Speaker 12: the issue just through a. Quick FaceTime if, we can't
Speaker 12: we'll come out to. Your home normally we charge, you
Speaker 12: know twenty dollars for that face time or fifty dollars
Speaker 12: to come out to. Your home right Now until, august
Speaker 12: thirtieth we will do it. For free so, any issue
Speaker 12: if you wanted to get a new, water heater a
Speaker 12: new tankless, water heater you, got leaks you got, you know,
Speaker 12: toilet problems whatever, it is you give us a call
Speaker 12: or go to our website and we'll hook it.
Speaker 2: For free so That is.
Speaker 1: Intel kick so you only have limited time to do
Speaker 1: that you just. ALLUDED to i want to ask you
Speaker 1: another question here because the name of the company is
Speaker 1: on a second. Opinion plumbing and, Forgive me i'm not
Speaker 1: A big, hvac guy but you don't only do, plumbing
Speaker 1: Issues right there are several services you offer right.
Speaker 12: So right now we are focused, with plumbing but we
Speaker 12: do want to, you know expand AND, do hvact do
Speaker 12: electrical you know, the, doorframes, windows balconies, you. Know landscaping
Speaker 12: so we are trying to get it to the point
Speaker 12: where anything that you have an issue with so honest
Speaker 12: second opinion for your home is really what we're trying.
Speaker 12: To do anything that you have an issue with, Your
Speaker 12: home we're trying to get the professionals that can give
Speaker 12: you an, honest diagnosis tell you what a price range,
Speaker 12: would be and then put you in contact with somebody
Speaker 12: that can come and, fix it so that way you're
Speaker 12: only stopping at. One place you get the knowledge that
Speaker 12: you need to empower yourself to be able to take
Speaker 12: care of, the problem and then you're put in contact
Speaker 12: with one person or, you know maybe one or two
Speaker 12: people that could fix.
Speaker 1: The problem before we get to the, CONTACT information i
Speaker 1: know that you have already been able to help some
Speaker 1: people really save thousands of dollars based off. This approach
Speaker 1: so let's hear about a testimonial.
Speaker 2: Or two you know.
Speaker 12: Absolutely so we actually just had about two, weeks ago
Speaker 12: we had a couple that called in and they were
Speaker 12: quoted a repipe on, their home which when we got
Speaker 12: there made. Perfect sense the pipes, were corroded there was leaks,
Speaker 12: going on and eighteen thousand dollars was what the repipe,
Speaker 12: was quoted so, not cheap but when we looked, at
Speaker 12: it the size of, the house the amount of work
Speaker 12: that it, would take that that was accurate to what
Speaker 12: we would quote. As well but then, what, happened though
Speaker 12: is the company that came out said to get under
Speaker 12: their crawl space in their house to finish. The repipe
Speaker 12: it was going to cost the adfition twelve thousand dollars
Speaker 12: because they would have to dig it out. By HAND so,
Speaker 12: I went i looked at their cross SPACE and i
Speaker 12: couldn't understand it because it looked like any normal crawl space.
Speaker 12: To me AND so i, was, like well tell me about,
Speaker 12: the plumber and, they're, like well he was a. Big
Speaker 12: guy he was pushing over, three bills and so it
Speaker 12: was just it was a matter of the guy couldn't fit, in,
Speaker 12: there okay and so he was going to have to
Speaker 12: pay twelve thousand dollars to get him. In there and
Speaker 12: so we ended up connecting with some other plumbers that
Speaker 12: could come. Out there they did the, re pipe save
Speaker 12: them twelve.
Speaker 2: Thousand dollars so that's.
Speaker 1: THAT'S wild, i, mean look so if you guys have
Speaker 1: plumbing problems and you're tired of being upsold and charge
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars for things that you. Don't need definitely
Speaker 1: get a hold of Aut At Second. Opinion, plumbing gavin
Speaker 1: how did they get ahold?
Speaker 12: Of you so there's two ways you can either go to.
Speaker 12: Our website you can just. Google us if you Just
Speaker 12: Google Honest Second, opinion plumbing you should be able to
Speaker 12: find us there on that. First page or you can
Speaker 12: also call us at eight, oh one three four one
Speaker 12: nine five.
Speaker 1: Nine two so if you have issues right now in
Speaker 1: your house, with plumbing if you've already been quoted something
Speaker 1: and you're not sure if, it's accurate whatever, the deal
Speaker 1: just get a Hold of gavin and our Friends At
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Speaker 1: com gavin good to, see, You buddy good to see.
Speaker 1: You too go utes two and we've.
Speaker 2: Got to get out of here because coming up on the.
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Speaker 1: TWENTY Five nba draft live From The barclay Center, In Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: New York, Gordy Chiasa, richard smith the combined like ninety
Speaker 1: years of pro basketball talent evaluation experience coming. Your Way,
Speaker 1: so porter let's get out of here so we can
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