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Speaker 1: with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society got the privilege
Speaker 1: of talking to Rob today. Rob's an individual that I
Speaker 1: reached out to I believe, and ask him to come
Speaker 1: on the show. He's got an interesting background. He's a
Speaker 1: seventy one year old lifelong resident in Washington State. He's
Speaker 1: a hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman, and a member of the BFRO.
Speaker 1: So he's been involved with some very interesting things. So
Speaker 1: we were kind of chatting a little bit before the
Speaker 1: show started. But welcome to the show. Rob, how's it
Speaker 1: going today for you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Thanks, Jeremy, I very well. How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. It's a great day when I'm able
Speaker 1: to talk to some people about Bigfoot. I can't beat that.
Speaker 1: So I'm just excited to have you on so we
Speaker 1: can have this conversation. But you know, Rob, when I
Speaker 1: have a researcher like yourself on the show, I always
Speaker 1: like to start with you know, what was it that
Speaker 1: first got you into the passionate, passionate search for Bigfoot
Speaker 1: along the years?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, the story gets a little bit in depth,
Speaker 2: but I'll try to convince it as much as you can. Okay,
Speaker 2: you here, and let's see nineteen. I gotta go back here.
Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty seven, some friends of mine and I had
Speaker 2: had little trail bi ex Honda nineties, Yamaha eighties, that
Speaker 2: kind of thing, and we were growing up in Seattle,
Speaker 2: no place really to ride them, but I had spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time up in North Bend, Washington with
Speaker 2: my dad fishing the little rivers and streams and ponds
Speaker 2: and grouse hunting and all that up there, and it
Speaker 2: was an ideal place to go ride these little bikes.
Speaker 2: So a couple of us talked our dads into loading
Speaker 2: up trucks with these little motorcycles and taking us up
Speaker 2: for a nice long weekend in July and sixty seven.
Speaker 2: So there were four of us with motorcycles. One guy
Speaker 2: didn't have one. We all agreed to take turns carrying
Speaker 2: him around, and our parents dropped us off and we
Speaker 2: rode around for a little while and found a good
Speaker 2: camp spot. Now I should say that the area was
Speaker 2: supposedly closed due to fire hazard, but you know, we
Speaker 2: were kind of scofflaws and we could tuck the little
Speaker 2: motorcycles underneath the gates quite easily, So we kind of
Speaker 2: set up stealth camp down this dead end, old abandoned
Speaker 2: logging road and into the trees where we couldn't be seen.
Speaker 2: We did nav camp fires or anything like that. But
Speaker 2: one of my reasons for wanting to go to that
Speaker 2: location was up on top of Mount Sai, which people
Speaker 2: in North Bend are on the east side of Lake
Speaker 2: Washington would be familiar with. On the top of Mount
Speaker 2: Sai was an old beaver pond with a creek flowing
Speaker 2: out of it, and that creek always had a nice
Speaker 2: population of little cutthroat trot in it, so I wanted
Speaker 2: to take the guys up there and go fish that.
Speaker 2: So we were camped and actually just down by where
Speaker 2: that creek flows off the top of the mountain and
Speaker 2: goes through a little waterfall and collects and men's into
Speaker 2: the Snoquamee River. So our first night was pretty uneventful,
Speaker 2: and we get up that morning and we decide we're
Speaker 2: all going to go up the hill and go up
Speaker 2: to this beaver pond and do some fishing. So you
Speaker 2: ride the motorcycles up there, we kind of stuff them
Speaker 2: off in the bushes. We go through this little trail
Speaker 2: it's only about twenty five thirty feet long to get
Speaker 2: to the creek, and we get to the creek and
Speaker 2: we rig up our fish and raw uds, and we're
Speaker 2: all kind of spreading out along this creek and you know,
Speaker 2: just using a single salmon egg to kind of plunk
Speaker 2: along these little holes. And I'm working my way downstream
Speaker 2: and I get to a point where I'm probably maybe
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five feet from the next year's
Speaker 2: buddy of mine, and I'm just about to drop my
Speaker 2: line in this little hole when there was this absolutely
Speaker 2: ear splitting guttural, screaming, growl kind of noise. I just
Speaker 2: really can't even describe it. It was just so alarming
Speaker 2: and it was so loud, and it just shocked me.
Speaker 2: And I stood there kind of looking around, trying to
Speaker 2: get my bearings and understand what it just happened. And
Speaker 2: it then just panic overtook me, and I raced back
Speaker 2: up the creek to where my buddies were, and the
Speaker 2: four of them were standing there all together, and those
Speaker 2: who had pocket knives had their knives out, and they're
Speaker 2: all staring at the skill side in front of them.
Speaker 2: So of course I get there and you know the
Speaker 2: usual thing. You guys heard that, Where is it? What
Speaker 2: was it? And they all heard it, and I'll start
Speaker 2: talking back and forth about what is it? Don't know,
Speaker 2: can't see, And we're looking over this hillside in front
Speaker 2: of us. It's been logged off, and there's a stump
Speaker 2: all bleached out white on top of it is like
Speaker 2: a salmonberry bush, and we see this big brown arm
Speaker 2: come out kind of sweep the bush to the side
Speaker 2: a little bit, and as it did that, this head
Speaker 2: appeared from behind the stump, peeking up over the top
Speaker 2: of the stump at us, and it did that a
Speaker 2: couple times, and we're just shocked. I mean, no idea
Speaker 2: what this might be. So after probably fifteen twenty seconds
Speaker 2: of this going on, one of the guys jumps up
Speaker 2: on this big rock beside us and starts waving his
Speaker 2: arms and yelling, and we did that. This thing stood
Speaker 2: up and it was monstrous. It was just this giant,
Speaker 2: air covered, nine foot tall, bodybuilder looking kind of thing
Speaker 2: standing behind this stump and staring at us, absolutely motionless,
Speaker 2: just staring straight at us. And we had never seen
Speaker 2: or heard of anything like this before. I think the
Speaker 2: closest any of us could come to describing it was
Speaker 2: not long before we'd all been spending the night at
Speaker 2: my buddy Rich's house and we had watched the old
Speaker 2: Peter Cushing movie about the Abominable Snowman, and one of
Speaker 2: the guys said, well, it's an abominable snowman, and the
Speaker 2: rest of us are like, no, those things are white.
Speaker 2: This things start brown. What is this? And it's just
Speaker 2: standing there staring at us. So finally one of the
Speaker 2: guys has had enough of it, and he jumps up
Speaker 2: and waves his arms and does this big kind of
Speaker 2: screen back at it, and it stood there and looked
Speaker 2: at us, and then it turned to its left and
Speaker 2: walked off, and it was probably about fifty yards to
Speaker 2: get into the trees across this old clearcut, and it
Speaker 2: just walked straight off into the trees, and that's you know.
Speaker 2: We didn't hear anything more from it. So we decided
Speaker 2: that getting the heck out of there was the best
Speaker 2: decision we could make, and we literally ran back to
Speaker 2: the motorcycles and took off, and I don't think we
Speaker 2: stopped to catch our breath or talk again until we
Speaker 2: were about probably ten twelve miles down the road from there.
Speaker 2: And then the agreement was we needed to find a
Speaker 2: place to stay and try and find a place where
Speaker 2: there were other people, which was quite hard to do
Speaker 2: because again Warehousard shut down the whole area due to
Speaker 2: fire danger and we had snuck yet. And a long
Speaker 2: story short, we did finally find a guy and two
Speaker 2: girls that had a camp set up, and the guy
Speaker 2: had a rifle, and so we decided to camp with him,
Speaker 2: and the next day we made our way home. So
Speaker 2: that was our first big event and we talked about
Speaker 2: it for years afterwards, and I talked about it with
Speaker 2: my dad, my grandfather, and they were both big time outdoorsmen.
Speaker 2: My grandfather had probably roomed just about every square inch
Speaker 2: of the state in his lifetime. And you know, nobody
Speaker 2: could tell us what it was. We saw, no one
Speaker 2: had ever seen anything like it. And so that went
Speaker 2: on for a little ways and then we, you know,
Speaker 2: we just kind of let it go away. And then
Speaker 2: probably in seventy or seventy one, my mother found an
Speaker 2: article in a newspaper about some guys going to a
Speaker 2: public library on Mercer Island and they were doing a
Speaker 2: presentation on sasquatch. So, okay, it sounds good to me.
Speaker 2: Let's go see what this is all about. So I
Speaker 2: went to that thing, and these two young men were
Speaker 2: talking about about well, I don't think the term bigfoot
Speaker 2: was being used quite then. Again, this has been seventy two,
Speaker 2: seventy three, but they were talking about the sasquatch that
Speaker 2: were known to be in California, in British Columbia and
Speaker 2: probably parts of Washington. And what they were saying is
Speaker 2: quite fascinating. And they made reference to a gentleman by
Speaker 2: the name of John Green, and they were selling copies
Speaker 2: of his books there and so anyway kind of logged
Speaker 2: all that into my memory banks there and went on
Speaker 2: about it. And then I finally looked up this John Green,
Speaker 2: and I wrote him a letter and said he had
Speaker 2: really interested in talking to you. This happened to me,
Speaker 2: if you want to know about it, long story short,
Speaker 2: He had a friend who lived in Bellevue sent me
Speaker 2: up with him to go tell him my story. He'd
Speaker 2: record it for John Green, and John Green could decide
Speaker 2: what he wanted to do with it from there. So
Speaker 2: I met this gentleman who was purple older than my dad,
Speaker 2: and he was kind of a pseudo investigator for John
Speaker 2: he'd take some reports down down here in the Seattle area,
Speaker 2: and apparently he thought I was credible enough that the
Speaker 2: next thing I know, John Green is calling me in
Speaker 2: saying he's coming to town. We'll meet at this mutual
Speaker 2: friend's house and he wants to take my story. So
Speaker 2: at the point in time I show up at this house,
Speaker 2: I meet John Green. John Green has brought with him
Speaker 2: a movie projector and he has his copy of the
Speaker 2: Patterson Geinman film. And probably one of the best nights
Speaker 2: of my life was sitting there at Nick's Coffee table
Speaker 2: or dining room table, drinking coffee and watching the Patterson
Speaker 2: Ginman film being you know that John had on this
Speaker 2: projector John would write back and forth and we'd stop
Speaker 2: and talk about motions and movements, and I was just
Speaker 2: I was hooked. That was it. That's all I needed.
Speaker 2: I was suddenly a firm believer in Bigfoot, that the
Speaker 2: scene was real, that it was what I had seen,
Speaker 2: and I needed to know more. So I agreed to
Speaker 2: work for John Green and take reports from the Seattle area,
Speaker 2: doing follow up investigations on them. And that's what I
Speaker 2: did for a number of years until career path and
Speaker 2: other obligations took me kind of away from the subject.
Speaker 2: As much as I wanted to spend on it, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Rob That's a what a fascinating intro. I do have
Speaker 1: a few questions for you about that. The two gentlemen,
Speaker 1: the two younger gentlemen doing the presentation, was that Roger
Speaker 1: Patterson and Bob Giinnon.
Speaker 2: It was not No. I later met Roger Patterson, and
Speaker 2: I subsequently met Bob Ginlan, of course, but no, I
Speaker 2: don't know who these guys were. I never ran across
Speaker 2: them again. It was just the my mother had seen
Speaker 2: this article in the newspaper about this presentation, and so
Speaker 2: I went and Yeah, I never met him again or
Speaker 2: knew anything about him.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting to kind of history. I wonder if
Speaker 1: anyone has any ideas, we'll see. But also, who was
Speaker 1: the gentleman that was working with John Green that you
Speaker 1: talked to initially.
Speaker 2: Oh, his name is Nick Carter.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: He was a ex pat Canadian, and I think that's
Speaker 2: what he had mostly in common with John. But Nick
Speaker 2: also fancied himself an outdoor writer, and he'd written the book,
Speaker 2: and he'd confabbed a bit with John Green on on
Speaker 2: bits and pieces of all the area around Harrison Hot
Speaker 2: Springs that Nick really wasn't familiar with, but John was.
Speaker 2: And I think that's how the two of them really
Speaker 2: got going together, you know, having Nick kind of do
Speaker 2: the filtering of stories or accounts, you know, here in
Speaker 2: the US, or at least in Washington State.
Speaker 1: Going back to your initial citing a few questions about that,
Speaker 1: from what you say, you'd mentioned that you did see
Speaker 1: the head a few times around the stump, and from
Speaker 1: what you saw was it would you describe it more
Speaker 1: as something that was ape like or human like, or
Speaker 1: maybe just something completely different.
Speaker 2: You know, it seemed to mostly be a combination. It
Speaker 2: definitely had a chronical head that was very pronounced and obvious.
Speaker 2: It had a very heavy brow ridge, but not really
Speaker 2: like a gorilla's brow ridge. It was somewhere between a
Speaker 2: grin and a pronounced human brow ridge. But the muscular
Speaker 2: churi the thing was just off the charts, you know.
Speaker 2: Shoulders had to be four to four and a half
Speaker 2: feet wide. It was probably close to nine foot in height.
Speaker 2: In fact, later on I went back to John Green
Speaker 2: asked me to go back up and spend some time
Speaker 2: investigating your You see what else I could dig up.
Speaker 2: So I did, and I measured the underbrush where this
Speaker 2: thing had been standing, and John transposed to the height
Speaker 2: of the brush to where I saw the brush coming
Speaker 2: to on this creature and determined it was nine feet tall,
Speaker 2: shoulders probably four foot in with just big massive thing.
Speaker 1: You were able to see it move across to the
Speaker 1: tree line that day. And then you have also seen
Speaker 1: the Patterson Gimlin film as well. You've mentioned did you
Speaker 1: note were there any similarities between the two different things
Speaker 1: you saw, or was it something completely different from Patty.
Speaker 2: I'd say it's exactly the same thing as Patty, a
Speaker 2: little bit larger, and I think the stride was a
Speaker 2: little bit longer than what I saw from the Patterson
Speaker 2: Gimmian film. But other than that, pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 1: Did you notice anything you need about its gait as
Speaker 1: it walked across to the tree line.
Speaker 2: Just the way it moved, it seemed to really float
Speaker 2: more than anything you know human walks, or is that
Speaker 2: little bounce as one leg transitions to the next one
Speaker 2: to the next, leaving legs kind of an upward rise,
Speaker 2: and this thing didn't. I mean, it was almost like
Speaker 2: you could have set a glass of water on its
Speaker 2: head and not spilled a drop as it walked.
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Speaker 1: The scream that you heard that day, have you heard
Speaker 1: anything else that comes close to that scream?
Speaker 2: No? Never, And I have checked every source that's ever
Speaker 2: come down the pike in this since that time, and
Speaker 2: there's never been anything just like it.
Speaker 1: Okay, And I'm sure you have gone into animal databases
Speaker 1: and listen to all sorts of different animals and nothing
Speaker 1: comes close.
Speaker 2: You're saying, yeah, I think that we were all pretty
Speaker 2: much in common with thinking that it sounded like it
Speaker 2: was a mixture of an elephant trumpeting and a lion's war,
Speaker 2: which would seem to be quite impossible to blend the two.
Speaker 2: But that's what we came away with, describing it as.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. That is a description that I get
Speaker 1: in my emails a whole lot. It just it's just
Speaker 1: one of those things. It shows up every once in
Speaker 1: a while, and man, I don't know what I think
Speaker 1: about it, but it's just a very weird thing, right,
Speaker 1: But people are hearing something similar to what you just described.
Speaker 1: Was there a catalyst event then that got you back
Speaker 1: into the bigfoot research field?
Speaker 2: I think probably, yeah, there was. When John Green met
Speaker 2: with me, he asked me what it would take for
Speaker 2: me to be able to go back up and spend
Speaker 2: maybe a week up there, and I said, you know,
Speaker 2: as menial as it is, it is a new job,
Speaker 2: I'm on, I don't I don't want to give it up,
Speaker 2: and you know, not have that source of income to
Speaker 2: go spend time me. So he ended up giving me
Speaker 2: ten copies of each of the three booklets that he
Speaker 2: had in publication at the time, and with the intent
Speaker 2: that I would sell the booklets, and that would give
Speaker 2: me the money to go up and spend more time
Speaker 2: back up in the North Bend, Montsei area. So it
Speaker 2: took a couple of months, but I did manage to
Speaker 2: get those books sold off, and a buddy mine and
Speaker 2: I decided we'd pair up and go back up there
Speaker 2: and spend time hanging out and see what we could find.
Speaker 2: And we did find more footprints. The best one was unfortunately,
Speaker 2: in a little drainage dish on the side of the
Speaker 2: side of the road coming down the hill, and so
Speaker 2: there was no possibility of casting that. I did photograph
Speaker 2: some other ones down lower in some leaf deaf but
Speaker 2: you know, other than that, we didn't find anything more
Speaker 2: at that time in that area. And so I'm sorry
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot what your question was as I
Speaker 2: started to ramble there.
Speaker 1: No, that is extremely interesting, and we'll swing back around
Speaker 1: to that in a minute. But I'm sure that the
Speaker 1: fact of selling, or the story of probably selling those
Speaker 1: books was probably interesting in itself. How did you did
Speaker 1: you just randomly go up to people or you had
Speaker 1: people that you knew that were into big foot, Hey,
Speaker 1: maybe you'll like to check this out, or.
Speaker 2: Well, I was still in high school at the time,
Speaker 2: excuse me, And so I was trying to sell them
Speaker 2: among my friends. And I actually sold a set of
Speaker 2: books to my American history teacher. She was interested in
Speaker 2: the subject. So yeah, I was just selling them to
Speaker 2: fellow students.
Speaker 1: Oh, man, imagine if you had those today. But you
Speaker 1: may have, you may have some. But uh, those those
Speaker 1: are pretty Yeah, those are pretty hard to get. Well,
Speaker 1: I maybe out there they're easier to get, but I'm
Speaker 1: in Iowa. They're kind of They're hard to find out here,
Speaker 1: of course. But yeah, how long or how what were
Speaker 1: the dimensions of the tracks that you had found that day?
Speaker 2: The track was about eighteen inches in length, and measuring across,
Speaker 2: the ball of the foot was about nine inches and
Speaker 2: then the heel was about four and a half inches
Speaker 2: around the on the back of the calcutaneous bone there.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. So then after that what happened there?
Speaker 1: Were you then back into the subject from there on out,
Speaker 1: and you were going out and looking, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I tried to back away from it a
Speaker 2: little bit. It's kind of interesting because when when my
Speaker 2: buddy and I were up there for that week, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to fulfill the obligation of John Green. We met
Speaker 2: two guys in the jeep. So backing up a little bit,
Speaker 2: I was afraid to go back in the woods again
Speaker 2: after this event occurred John Green after meeting him, and
Speaker 2: he tells me what these things are in his best opinion,
Speaker 2: but he also tells me one needs to be shot
Speaker 2: in order for science to validate the existence. Then suddenly
Speaker 2: I was good with that, and I carried my hunting
Speaker 2: rifle and so my didn't I. After this trip, my
Speaker 2: buddy and I were walking down the road back to
Speaker 2: his car and we're carrying rifles and the guys in
Speaker 2: the cheap pull up and say, well, what are you
Speaker 2: guys hunting? I said, they wouldn't believe us if we
Speaker 2: told you, and they said, no, no, you know what,
Speaker 2: there's nothing open, there's nothing, you know, it's not deer season.
Speaker 2: And I said, no, we're actually we're hunting bigfoot sasquatch.
Speaker 2: And this guy says, oh, well, man, you got to
Speaker 2: go to a font lake Fontal outside of du Ball.
Speaker 2: Friend of ours had a cabin up there and he
Speaker 2: had one walk by and look in his window at him,
Speaker 2: and that's a great place to go. So sad gave
Speaker 2: us a new a new place to go hang out.
Speaker 2: And so after after you know, this stuff with John Green,
Speaker 2: John would call me periodically if there was if he
Speaker 2: had a report that he wanted to follow up on
Speaker 2: down here in this area. I'd go do that, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, do tape recording of the interviews or whatever
Speaker 2: the person was willing to do and get the information
Speaker 2: down to John. But that was that was kind of
Speaker 2: the momentum. And now all of a sudden, my group
Speaker 2: of friends are getting interested in this, and we're going
Speaker 2: out and looking for Sasquatch and more areas and had
Speaker 2: some interesting experiences look at remote leak out in Douval
Speaker 2: and just kind of branched out from there. I'd hear
Speaker 2: something from somebody, you know, you usually the friend of
Speaker 2: a friend kind of thing. If they found out what
Speaker 2: I was interested in, they'd say, oh, you need to
Speaker 2: talk with my brother in law, you need to call
Speaker 2: my cousin. He saw something over on the Olympic Peninsula,
Speaker 2: and you know, just kind of kept me bouncing around looking.
Speaker 1: And that's how it goes with this whole subject. It
Speaker 1: feels like, at least to me, you just you start
Speaker 1: going down these little rabbit trails, and then someone just
Speaker 1: gives you some info and it you're on another rabbit trail,
Speaker 1: or you're looking at one area a different way, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's a really fun time. I really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: It really scratches the itch that I have in my brain,
Speaker 1: so I cannot complain, and so I love doing it.
Speaker 1: What was the weirdest thing that you experienced up at
Speaker 1: Lake Fontale?
Speaker 2: So they went camping up there. I had my girlfriend
Speaker 2: with me and two of my buddies. I had my
Speaker 2: female German shepherd with me. My girlfriend had her Norwegional
Speaker 2: kind of her. We were camped on this little knoll
Speaker 2: halfway around this lake. The lake had at one time
Speaker 2: been the exclusive property of the Seattle Men's Club, and
Speaker 2: it was kind of very retreat. They used to have
Speaker 2: the lake stocked with rainbow trout, and then in later
Speaker 2: years the Archdiocese of Seattle acquired the property and they
Speaker 2: used the old the old resort as kind of their
Speaker 2: retreat facility, but they left the access to the lake open.
Speaker 2: So anyway, my girlfriend and I are tured our two
Speaker 2: dogs and two friends of ours, and we're halfway around
Speaker 2: the lake. There's there's a little bit of a knoll
Speaker 2: there that was flat on top, and we were set
Speaker 2: up for camping and it was too hot that night.
Speaker 2: I couldn't sleep in the tent, so I went out
Speaker 2: and strung my hammock up and was laying in my hammock,
Speaker 2: and my female German shepherd, as usual by my side,
Speaker 2: she was laying underneath my hammock. And I woke up
Speaker 2: to the sound of something, you know, moving around in
Speaker 2: the bushes, you know, you just hear Lynn's swishing back
Speaker 2: and forth. And I wasn't sure what it was, and
Speaker 2: so I sat up and turned on my flashlight and
Speaker 2: looked over it kind of this little bit of the hill,
Speaker 2: and I could see my girlfriends in Norwegian now count
Speaker 2: and he would charge into underneath the cedar tree and
Speaker 2: he'd kind of swroll around in and he'd come back out,
Speaker 2: and then he'd go back in at another angle. And
Speaker 2: he was playing with something down there, and I don't
Speaker 2: know what it was, but my German shepherd wasn't moving.
Speaker 2: She was standing there ears of full attention. Her hacks
Speaker 2: were up. She wasn't going to leave my side for nothing.
Speaker 2: So I woke up my buddies and I said, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: something happening just over the hill here. And you know,
Speaker 2: my girlfriend's dog is going in and outlis brush and
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is down there, but but
Speaker 2: there's something in there playing with the dog. So we
Speaker 2: decided we were going to try and approach it the
Speaker 2: trail we came in on paralleled the lake shore, and
Speaker 2: so two of the guys decided they were going to
Speaker 2: go up onto the trail and I was going to
Speaker 2: take my dog and go down into where this whatever
Speaker 2: this was, and follow it or try and chase it
Speaker 2: out to where they might be able to see it,
Speaker 2: because the woods were much more open on the trail
Speaker 2: that they were walking. So we all started down and
Speaker 2: on end. And as I was walking through there, my
Speaker 2: dog was staying, My German Sheppard was just tight at
Speaker 2: my side, hacks up. She was on alert, moving very stealthily.
Speaker 2: But as we were going through, I could see tree
Speaker 2: limbs in front of us coming back into places after
Speaker 2: they'd been pushed aside. But I couldn't see anything itself,
Speaker 2: just these the motion of these tree limbs. Well I
Speaker 2: knew that very soon we were coming up into an
Speaker 2: area that was just a bunch of old rotten alders
Speaker 2: and visibility would improve greatly, So I just kind of
Speaker 2: kept pressing on. My buddies are still coming down the trail,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, whatever it was in front
Speaker 2: of the just exploded out of there, just, I mean
Speaker 2: just boom, busted out of the brush and took off running. Well,
Speaker 2: I knew it had gotten to the clearcut and it
Speaker 2: was trying to get across the clear cut. So my
Speaker 2: buddies heard that and they started running down the trail
Speaker 2: hoping to cut this thing off, and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: beat feet through the brush behind it. None of us
Speaker 2: caught sight of they were caught up to it. We
Speaker 2: could hear it running off through the woods. So the
Speaker 2: next day, daylight, well actually later daylight, we went back
Speaker 2: up on the trail and tried to follow this thing.
Speaker 2: And I don't recall what the track size was, but
Speaker 2: we did find some big tracks. But in the trail,
Speaker 2: in the path that this thing had taken, it was
Speaker 2: a big old Douglas fir that had fallen down, as
Speaker 2: they do when they get too light, and the top
Speaker 2: of the truck, the top of the tree was about
Speaker 2: four and a half to five feet above the ground
Speaker 2: and whatever the thing was. It had put one foot
Speaker 2: down on the ground in front of the tree and
Speaker 2: then looked up and over this tree, which was to
Speaker 2: the top of the tree was about five and a
Speaker 2: half feet high. It had cleared that tree and come
Speaker 2: down on the left foot on the other side of
Speaker 2: the tree. I mean, it just made this running jump
Speaker 2: over this big dog on tree and it continued off
Speaker 2: through the brush. So and again, you know, the track
Speaker 2: was visibly enough or at least identifiable enough to recognize
Speaker 2: it as kind of a human shape foot, but you know,
Speaker 2: considerably larger. I don't think we well, I know, we
Speaker 2: didn't measure it because we didn't have anything to measure with.
Speaker 2: But you know, I remember it was well beyond the
Speaker 2: norms for a human size foot. And there wasn't anybody
Speaker 2: living back in there at that time. There are no
Speaker 2: houses or anything else back there, So it was just
Speaker 2: really a curious thing that it stayed around plain with
Speaker 2: the dog and then it ran away from us little people.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting, especially you know, you hear reports over
Speaker 1: the years about supposed interactions with dogs, and you do
Speaker 1: hear some some really interesting things, so it's not surprising.
Speaker 1: It is it is interesting the way that the two
Speaker 1: different dog breeds were reacting. Yeah, myself, my first dog
Speaker 1: was an Norwegian l count, so I can really picture
Speaker 1: it and it would get into some issues, you know,
Speaker 1: the porcupine quills in the face down by the reservoir
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. But I could totally see
Speaker 1: how that dog was definitely going after it. So how
Speaker 1: old were you during that encounter.
Speaker 2: Let's see that was eighteen or nineteen.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, that's really cool. So then what when
Speaker 1: did you start to link up with the BFRORO. Is
Speaker 1: is that quite a time jump to get from you know,
Speaker 1: your early twenties to when you linked up with the BFRO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was probably in two thousand and twelve, I
Speaker 2: think twelve and eleven or twenty twelve. Then I got
Speaker 2: hooked up at the BFRORO.
Speaker 1: And then that whole time frame between let's say, you
Speaker 1: know this Lake font Hall and then the bf or
Speaker 1: that whole time are you still doing Bigfoot research with
Speaker 1: your buddies.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, we were continuing to look into things if
Speaker 2: we heard about him.
Speaker 1: Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?
Speaker 2: I remember there was a sighting and alleged siding made
Speaker 2: the newspaper out in Maple Valley, Washington. Individual driving home
Speaker 2: from Boeing one night after work said that he came
Speaker 2: around this corner and saw a cow sleeping on the
Speaker 2: side of the road, and it concerned him and confused him,
Speaker 2: and he stopped, rolled down his window to look at
Speaker 2: his cow. But what stood up and walked off into
Speaker 2: the woods was a bigfoot. So John had called me.
Speaker 2: John Green had called me and asked if I would
Speaker 2: go look into that, and I did. My brother in
Speaker 2: law and I went out there and spent considerable time
Speaker 2: looking for this thing and looking for track. We did
Speaker 2: find just off the road there was a piece of
Speaker 2: sheet rock. People had been dumping stuff all over out there,
Speaker 2: but there was a piece of sheet rock, probably like
Speaker 2: four foot by five foot five eighth sheet rock, laying there,
Speaker 2: and something had stepped on the middle of that and
Speaker 2: there was a big impression. But because of the way
Speaker 2: it broke, there was and you know, it's hard enough material,
Speaker 2: there wasn't any definable toes or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: just to kind of the overall outline of a very
Speaker 2: large humanoid print was visible in the broken sheet rock
Speaker 2: and so my brother in law and we went out
Speaker 2: there several times. We went back and forth through the woods,
Speaker 2: nothing down the power line and never found anything more
Speaker 2: than that to substantiate the report or the plane. And
Speaker 2: then I think one of the most interesting ones I
Speaker 2: got on too, in the of an area of Pelop
Speaker 2: called South Hill. There was a state trooper coming out
Speaker 2: to go on the shift one night. And I don't
Speaker 2: know how it is we are that our state patrolmen
Speaker 2: they take their cars home with them, so from the
Speaker 2: minute they lived to leave their driveway, they're on duty. Well,
Speaker 2: the state trooper had come out of this little development
Speaker 2: in his car, was coming down this road and a
Speaker 2: bigfoot cross the road in front of him and then
Speaker 2: went down through this delley off the other side of
Speaker 2: the road and disappeared. Well, a news reporter who got
Speaker 2: onto this story and was talking with people in the
Speaker 2: area said that they were also getting these very strange vocalizations.
Speaker 2: So John Green had called me and asked if I
Speaker 2: would go out and follow up on this, and and
Speaker 2: so I did. And the people that I met who
Speaker 2: had reported it to the paper, Well back a bit
Speaker 2: back up here, my uncle was a state patrolman and
Speaker 2: I asked, asked him to get a hold of this
Speaker 2: trooper and have him call me, because that was the
Speaker 2: easiest way to find this guy. So Mark something, I
Speaker 2: can't remember his last name at the moment, he did
Speaker 2: call me. I talked with him, and he told me
Speaker 2: where he lived and told me that there were people
Speaker 2: in this development that had been reporting hearing this thing
Speaker 2: coming down this power line, you know, periodically throughout the week.
Speaker 2: So I took a buddy with me and we went
Speaker 2: out there and I met with these people who had
Speaker 2: supposedly gotten this recording, and they got it on a
Speaker 2: reel to reel tape deck. They'd heard it several nights
Speaker 2: in a row, and one night the wife just set
Speaker 2: up the recorder in the bedroom window to capture it.
Speaker 2: So I took my reel to reel recorder and I
Speaker 2: made a cop of her tape online, and it was
Speaker 2: very compelling. It was a very high pitch screen certainly
Speaker 2: seemed to be much more forceful than any coyote wouldbuster,
Speaker 2: but there were similarities in the overall sound to it.
Speaker 2: We spent some time some nights down there, sitting out
Speaker 2: along this power line, but one night we thought we
Speaker 2: heard it coming, but it never did come any you know,
Speaker 2: come close enough to make any any definitive thought on it.
Speaker 2: But that was probably an interesting one. It was my tape.
Speaker 2: It was it was my recording off somebody else's tape,
Speaker 2: the people who had originally reported this thing. In my
Speaker 2: conversation with the state trooper as to what he'd seen,
Speaker 2: that kind of brought all that forward. But that was
Speaker 2: a very interesting one. You know, a sworn law enforcement
Speaker 2: officer risks his career and ridicule by giving a statement
Speaker 2: about this same crossing the road, about his neighbors hearing
Speaker 2: these sounds and these people making recordings. You know that
Speaker 2: that's pretty concrete evidence in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So you're saying these were audio tapes of the vocals, Yes,
Speaker 1: do you still have those?
Speaker 2: No? I don't. It was there were It was an
Speaker 2: old you know, one of the before we had cassette tapes,
Speaker 2: they had the little, real real ones. Yeah. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: sent the tape to John Green because I was again
Speaker 2: I was working for him, so Cliff Barkman might have him.
Speaker 2: As I understand it, he's in possession of most of
Speaker 2: John Green's stuff.
Speaker 1: Now I do know a little bit about this account,
Speaker 1: just because I was like, man, the sun is really familiar.
Speaker 1: So I just did a little search and so that
Speaker 1: the State troopers name is Mark Pettinger, and this is yes,
Speaker 1: and this is February seventeenth, nineteen seventy five. Is that
Speaker 1: you may have seen a photo of a younger individual,
Speaker 1: a young boy, well maybe around like twelve thirteen, holding
Speaker 1: up a Bigfoot cast And it's definitely a nineteen seventies
Speaker 1: photo going off of the hairstyle of the boy. But
Speaker 1: that individual's name is Mark Pettinger Junior, which I've always like, Man,
Speaker 1: I've always thought, actually looking at that photo, I bet
Speaker 1: that guy has a really cool story, but I've never
Speaker 1: been able to find him. But yeah, that's interesting that
Speaker 1: that just came up. That that's part of your bigfoot
Speaker 1: past as well. It's very cool. Thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2: The only thing that happened there was it confuses me
Speaker 2: to this day. I have no no logical explanation for
Speaker 2: what happened. But a friend of mine, man I he
Speaker 2: wanted to go bear hunting, so we went up on
Speaker 2: the east side, south end, east of Mount Si out
Speaker 2: of North Bend, where there we had always been a
Speaker 2: pretty good population of bear, and he likes hunting clearcuts.
Speaker 2: I like hunting the woods. So we decided that between us,
Speaker 2: him going down this clear cut and me going through
Speaker 2: the woods, we'd stand a better chance of cutting truck
Speaker 2: and maybe figuring out where these bear were going. And
Speaker 2: I'm walking along through the woods, and this particular patch
Speaker 2: of woods it's all soft woods, popular and alder and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and it's just this deep, wonderful carpet
Speaker 2: of mossy walking in. I mean, you walk through there
Speaker 2: so quietly. It was crazy. But I'm just probably I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe fifteen twenty yards at most inside the
Speaker 2: woods from the clearcut where my buddy is walking, and
Speaker 2: we're kind of going parallel. And I stopped for a
Speaker 2: minute to lean up against this tree. Well, the tree
Speaker 2: was dead and I need against it in the barren.
Speaker 2: Tree fell over. Well I've stooped out whatever is in
Speaker 2: here now, knocking this tree down. But I kind of
Speaker 2: did this stupid thing. I mean, I'm like eighteen years old.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not the brightest guy in the world.
Speaker 2: And so I'm walking along and I think, oh gosh,
Speaker 2: these trees fall over off leasy, they're all dead so
Speaker 2: I walk up to run and they just give it
Speaker 2: a shove and it falls. So walking along to another one,
Speaker 2: and it's probably a little bigger things, probably still I
Speaker 2: don't know, twenty four to twenty five feet tall, about
Speaker 2: eight to ten inch in diameter, and I give that
Speaker 2: one a shove and it falls over. And the moment
Speaker 2: that that thing fell over, it felt like i'd been electrocuted.
Speaker 2: I just they're just just I don't know how to
Speaker 2: describe it. I've never had a feeling like this before
Speaker 2: or since. But it was almost like someone had run
Speaker 2: a ramrod right up my back side, up through my spine.
Speaker 2: I couldn't move. I was just kind of locked suddenly
Speaker 2: in place. I hadn't anything, I didn't see anything. It
Speaker 2: was just bam, I'm locked bolt upright and I can't move,
Speaker 2: and it's panicking me. And I realize I've got to
Speaker 2: settle down. I've got to get out of here. Whatever
Speaker 2: it is, I got to get out of here. So
Speaker 2: I started to, you know, kind of breathe forcefully, and
Speaker 2: I found that I could move a little bit. And
Speaker 2: my rifle was an old sportized Argentine mouser. It had
Speaker 2: a big, old safety level that flops one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty degrees, and so I flipped it up to half off,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking and slowly turning and looking behind them,
Speaker 2: looking all around, and there's absolutely nothing there, but I
Speaker 2: can't shake the feeling. Well in front of me, maybe
Speaker 2: seven feet away at most, maybe eight, there's a vine maple.
Speaker 2: And you know wine maples, they oftentimes they go right
Speaker 2: back down to the ground. They just make these big clumps.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at this wine maple and I can
Speaker 2: see that that underneath it, it's moss. And to me,
Speaker 2: that vine maple was cover, and that cover was security,
Speaker 2: and I needed to get there, but I was afraid
Speaker 2: to move, and I just I'm slowly trying to turn around.
Speaker 2: I still can't see anything behind that. I don't hear
Speaker 2: anything else again, but to me, that tree is my salvation.
Speaker 2: So I just kind of gave myself the counter three
Speaker 2: and I took a big leap and then half a
Speaker 2: step and dove literally dove underneath this vine maple, and
Speaker 2: I landed on the moss. It was nice. I immediately
Speaker 2: rolled over, looking behind me with my rifle pointing out
Speaker 2: in that direction. Man, there was nothing, but I still
Speaker 2: had that feeling that doing was imminent, but there was
Speaker 2: nothing there. Next thing, I know, I'm waking up. I'd
Speaker 2: passed out or fallen asleep something, and I'm coming to
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of doing inventory on myself and my rifle,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking around and there's the feeling that i'd
Speaker 2: had is completely gone. And I crawled out from underneath
Speaker 2: this vine maple and the world was normal again, shining
Speaker 2: through the trees. Life was good. So I continued on
Speaker 2: down and got let my buddy down at the lower road,
Speaker 2: the rendezvous point, and you know that was I have
Speaker 2: no explanation for that, but I have since had other
Speaker 2: witnesses tell me that they have had a paralyzing fear
Speaker 2: only to then see a big foot walk away from
Speaker 2: them somewhere nearby. And I guess I'm attributing that sensation,
Speaker 2: which I had never had before or since, to having
Speaker 2: been in proximity to a bigfoot that wasn't happy that
Speaker 2: I was there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was going to bring up. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure from talking to many witnesses over the years,
Speaker 1: you've probably heard details of that account in their accounts
Speaker 1: as well. I was just listening to you talking I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I've heard similarities to what he is saying right now
Speaker 1: over the years. And also just the fact where you
Speaker 1: fall asleep directly after having something happen. Is it because
Speaker 1: you know you are just you have so much adrenaline
Speaker 1: adrenaline going on, or is it you know, directly related
Speaker 1: to you know, maybe you did have well, you definitely
Speaker 1: had some encounter happen. Is It's incredible. I've never heard
Speaker 1: someone do you well, do you think that was infrasound?
Speaker 2: Or I do? Yeah in years later, now you know
Speaker 2: those days really talk about Bigfoot infrasound wasn't even on
Speaker 2: the horizon, But yes, years later, I do believe that
Speaker 2: that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Man, that's one of the most intense infrasound accounts that
Speaker 1: I've heard. And I'm sure there's some other ones out
Speaker 1: there as well, but I mean, wow, that's that's incredible. Rock.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. Sure, can you tell me the
Speaker 1: story of how you got linked up with the bfurro then?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So of course the Finding Bigfoot show came on,
Speaker 2: and I've watched everything that I could ever ever see
Speaker 2: or find on Bigfoot, the Sassquatch, anything that would come
Speaker 2: on TV and I started watching those episodes and I
Speaker 2: thought some of these guys seem to be pretty legit.
Speaker 2: Some of their their findings or their encounters and experiences
Speaker 2: are in line with what I've seen, and so I
Speaker 2: just sent into an email and I got a response
Speaker 2: back saying they'd like me to meet with this local
Speaker 2: individual and talk about membership and participation, and it kind
Speaker 2: of went on from there. I met with Kirk Brandenburg,
Speaker 2: who's the well known guy the BFI local gout here,
Speaker 2: and Kirk and I went out and investigated a sighting together,
Speaker 2: and I guess he decided I would worthy enough for
Speaker 2: at least not a threat, and recommitted me for membership.
Speaker 1: Well there you go, and the rest is history. You know,
Speaker 1: we had been talking before the interview started, and you
Speaker 1: had mentioned something that sounds really interesting, something that you
Speaker 1: were involved with on the Olympic Peninsula. There was an
Speaker 1: investigation where there was a group that had had some
Speaker 1: weird things going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting. So in my license plates in
Speaker 2: my truck pretty well indicate what I like doing. I've
Speaker 2: got a big footsticker in the back and my license
Speaker 2: plate as Squatcher. So at work, I was a vice
Speaker 2: president of environmental health and safety for a multi state contractor.
Speaker 2: And I drove my own truck one day when my
Speaker 2: company vehicle was in the shop, and one of the
Speaker 2: subcontractor plays sat on my truck and asked me about it,
Speaker 2: and so we about to talking and he said, well,
Speaker 2: he said, I I live at this place that is
Speaker 2: kind of remote, and in our little community, people have
Speaker 2: been experiencing things, and you know, let me talk around
Speaker 2: the around the community and see if they'd be willing
Speaker 2: to have you come in and talk with them and
Speaker 2: get some of their stories. So long story short, he did,
Speaker 2: and and I was able to are allowed to go
Speaker 2: in there. And they really are I mean they're not
Speaker 2: it's not a survivalist. It's not a militia group.
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Speaker 2: They're just kind of like minded people. Well I think
Speaker 2: they're they're certainly not enthralled with the government, but they're
Speaker 2: not anti government people. But they just want to be
Speaker 2: left alone. And so they've bought up to all this
Speaker 2: property over on the Anthic Peninsula and they lived behind gates.
Speaker 2: And I took my wife with me and we went
Speaker 2: over and we up some really nice people who all
Speaker 2: had had encounters around their area there, around their woods
Speaker 2: and down to the ocean beach off the other side
Speaker 2: of their habitats. So we walked around, talked to these people,
Speaker 2: and you know, I said to them, you know, if
Speaker 2: you guys don't mind, I kind of want to go
Speaker 2: off down through the woods here see what we can find.
Speaker 2: And that was fine with everybody. So my wife and
Speaker 2: I started off down through woods, heading towards the towards
Speaker 2: the bush and towards the ocean rather. And we could
Speaker 2: see things here and there, little you know, indentations that
Speaker 2: could be imprints, but nothing really, nothing terribly definable. We
Speaker 2: got down to the ocean and right where a river
Speaker 2: comes out and joins the ocean, and I thought, man,
Speaker 2: this is perfect habitat. You know you've got You've got Yes,
Speaker 2: there has been some active logging in the area, but
Speaker 2: you've got this community that has all this property. It's quiet. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's nobody shooting guns up in here. They're surrounded by woods,
Speaker 2: you've got fresh water, you've got salt water. So if
Speaker 2: they want to go after shell fish and mollusks, they've
Speaker 2: got that going for them. If they want, you know,
Speaker 2: the summer in or the spawning salmon, or some are
Speaker 2: in steel hit, anything like that. They've got that river.
Speaker 2: It's a great place. And so with that in mind,
Speaker 2: now that thinking, yeah, there could be more, we started
Speaker 2: walking around the woods a little bit more and we
Speaker 2: did find some some very interesting trackways around the perimeter
Speaker 2: of this community, and we did talk with people that
Speaker 2: had had had sightings. One house that we talked to
Speaker 2: something that's coming up in the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: slapping on the side of the house, and that was
Speaker 2: very interesting. But I think the one that really got
Speaker 2: me was again on one of our job sites, one
Speaker 2: of our crew who all do my pastime, said, Hey,
Speaker 2: you know, you got to go over and talk with
Speaker 2: my grandparents over in Port Angelos. They've got the craziest property.
Speaker 2: There's just weird stuff going on over there. So he
Speaker 2: set it up for me to be able to go
Speaker 2: talk with them and great people. They had this piece
Speaker 2: of property on the outskirts of Port Angeles, but I
Speaker 2: mean not really very far off the beaten path. There
Speaker 2: maybe a matter of three blocks off, four blocks off
Speaker 2: when the main drags through. PA and I took my
Speaker 2: son with me and we interviewed the grandparents and then
Speaker 2: their daughter and grandson were living in another house on
Speaker 2: the property. And I think one of the funniest things
Speaker 2: that I was told was her grandmother wanted to be
Speaker 2: begun to keep pests out of her little truck patch guard.
Speaker 2: So on one night she thinks she can hear something outside.
Speaker 2: She's not sure if it's raccoon or whatever. She takes
Speaker 2: her a little bbgun. She goes out the back door.
Speaker 2: There are two nineteen forty eight Dodge pickups part side
Speaker 2: by side. One belongs to Grandpa, one belongs to his son.
Speaker 2: They've bought these trucks to restore them, and they're sitting there,
Speaker 2: side by side, and she's looking and over the top
Speaker 2: of the truck farthest from her, she sees a sasquatch
Speaker 2: head pop up and stare back at her. In her panic,
Speaker 2: she starts shooting her be begun the sasquatch and it
Speaker 2: ducks back down. She slams the door, goes in and
Speaker 2: tells her husband to turn on all the lights outside.
Speaker 2: Next morning, the sun in law comes over and he
Speaker 2: comes in the house and they said, hey, you guys,
Speaker 2: got any idea who shot all the windows up on
Speaker 2: my truck. Apparently she'd never hit the big Foot, but
Speaker 2: she was breaking windows out of the thing. But that
Speaker 2: kind of cracked me up. But they had stuff going on,
Speaker 2: and I said, and I wandered back up this creek
Speaker 2: that just kind of aimlessly comes down from a mountain
Speaker 2: up there. Really wanted this creek. And we found the
Speaker 2: occasional impression that looked like it could have been a footprint,
Speaker 2: but now it's been washed out a little bit by
Speaker 2: rising and falling creek. We found some patches of deer
Speaker 2: for which isn't really unusual either, but these people had
Speaker 2: also told us that that deer would show up periodically
Speaker 2: in the yards with a broken back leg, which sounded
Speaker 2: odd to me until you know, kind of going over
Speaker 2: some bfr O reports. There's been some speculation and some
Speaker 2: actual accounts a sasquatch cackling deer by by you know,
Speaker 2: breaking the legs the deer can't run away from them,
Speaker 2: grabbing them by the legs and intentially breaking them. So
Speaker 2: I kind of wondered if that was going on there too.
Speaker 2: There was an interesting area. There was this creek that
Speaker 2: came down off this mountain. It wound around through all
Speaker 2: these little hobby farms up there in the foothills, you know,
Speaker 2: covered over with brush, but a great pathway for something
Speaker 2: to be able to come out down out of the
Speaker 2: deep woods and come down and pick off, you know,
Speaker 2: a shopping basket of food from these little hobby farms
Speaker 2: as that went along.
Speaker 1: What an incredible account of Grandma trying to take out
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch, I mean, really just to protect the property.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's fantastic good for her. Wow, let's
Speaker 1: let's pretend we're around the campfire and there's some new
Speaker 1: BFRO recruits with us, and uh, where's just telling stories?
Speaker 1: Are there any investigations that you could say, you know,
Speaker 1: I was involved with that investigation? Uh, that was that
Speaker 1: was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: One of the most interesting ones to me. So I
Speaker 2: live in Snahomish, Washington, and so I'm really kind of
Speaker 2: in the foothills of the Cascades here, and I spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time of what they call the Mountain
Speaker 2: Loop Highway, which goes out of Granite Falls, goes up
Speaker 2: along the Pilchuk River, connects into the Sok River and
Speaker 2: down into Derrington. And that's kind of my my stopping
Speaker 2: grounds and research area, and a report came into the
Speaker 2: BFRO these young men had supposedly been up on Mount Pilchuck,
Speaker 2: which used to years ago be a it was a
Speaker 2: ski area uh Mount Pelchuk, and that these young men
Speaker 2: had from a church group after their youth meeting or whatever,
Speaker 2: decided they were going to go out and look for Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And they went up this Mount Pelchuk road and then
Speaker 2: there was a little side road they went up, and
Speaker 2: they were all sitting up there and they'd get out
Speaker 2: periodically and you know, look around these ridges. Good kids
Speaker 2: just out having fun being in the woods, and they
Speaker 2: got spooked off. They started hearing things approaching them. They
Speaker 2: got back in the car and one of them said
Speaker 2: he saw red eyeshine coming through the rear window of
Speaker 2: the car towards him, and then they decided to get
Speaker 2: out of there, so they reported this to BFRO O.
Speaker 2: My wife I went up there to look into it,
Speaker 2: and I had just recently bought a game call and
Speaker 2: I took that along to play with. And so where
Speaker 2: these guys were there was an old access road. It
Speaker 2: was an old maintenance road on Mount Piltchuk, and it
Speaker 2: actually goes up around to the west side and then
Speaker 2: veer your south. It's all overgrown. You can't drive up
Speaker 2: in there. You can walk up in there, but not.
Speaker 2: Pilchrick is a popular climbing trail, and that's something they
Speaker 2: do over in a little different area of it. So
Speaker 2: we went up there. We got there about the same
Speaker 2: time of evening that the young men told me that
Speaker 2: they'd gone up there originally. And so I hadn't use
Speaker 2: this game called before, and I thought, well, we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens. So the first thing I do is I
Speaker 2: play the phone in distress call and then I stop
Speaker 2: and I give it a few minutes, and then I
Speaker 2: play it again, stop a few minutes, and play it again,
Speaker 2: and then they stop everything, and I wait for about
Speaker 2: oh I was probably ten to fifteen minutes. And on
Speaker 2: my game Caller, there's like the coyote reunion. It's a
Speaker 2: coyote pack all yipping and howling and one thing or
Speaker 2: another at each other, and it's the thing you hear
Speaker 2: when coyotes together at night before they go off to hunt.
Speaker 2: So I played that and all of a sudden, something
Speaker 2: there's just this thunderous steps started coming down through the woods,
Speaker 2: just just boom boom, boom, boomuse me something coming down
Speaker 2: the hill towards us all this access road. And I'm
Speaker 2: starting to get a little bit panicked about this because
Speaker 2: as far as I don't want the only guy there
Speaker 2: with a gun, and what I've got under my shoulder
Speaker 2: is just a ninth millimeter and I don't have a
Speaker 2: lot of faith in that. But I think we're going
Speaker 2: to be run over and eating well all this. Everybody
Speaker 2: hears it. You can almost feel it in the ground,
Speaker 2: and we're all standing there, like what we're going to
Speaker 2: do now? You know? I called up the demon and
Speaker 2: it stopped, came to an abrupt halt just beyond where
Speaker 2: we could possibly see it back in the trees, and
Speaker 2: we decided it was probably a good time to leave.
Speaker 2: And I never never ever did that again, and I
Speaker 2: don't recommend that anybody do that. Guys. I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, it's almost like ringing the dinner bell. If
Speaker 2: you're gonna ring the dinner bell, you better have food
Speaker 2: that you're gonna give it, otherwise you might you might
Speaker 2: find yourself in harm's way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's a great thing to say. Is
Speaker 1: on the show, there's a lot of accounts shared about well,
Speaker 1: I did this and then I did this. Guys, we're
Speaker 1: not saying to do it. We're saying this happened, and
Speaker 1: probably don't do it, because really, stuff can happen. And yeah,
Speaker 1: if you ring the dinner bell, make sure you got
Speaker 1: the food there. That's a very interesting way to say it.
Speaker 1: But I think you're you're dead on. You had mentioned
Speaker 1: before the interview that you had some dealings around the
Speaker 1: Bumping Lake area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I used to all count in the in
Speaker 2: the early seventies, my brother in law and I kind
Speaker 2: of out of Bumping Lake and no idea that there
Speaker 2: had ever been a big foot sighting or report in
Speaker 2: that area at all. But we hunted the heck out
Speaker 2: of that place for three years and there was a
Speaker 2: trail that went up to At the time, they called
Speaker 2: it Twin Sisters Lakes. I think they've changed the name now.
Speaker 2: It was a great place. I mean, there was an
Speaker 2: old old mining town back up in there. We just
Speaker 2: never had anything happen. It was just just a nice
Speaker 2: place to go. All cutting wasn't great, but it was
Speaker 2: fun country to be in. And then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden people are reporting seeing bigfoot up in there and
Speaker 2: having these encounters, So I took some guys that my
Speaker 2: son and I decided that well, he knew somebody and
Speaker 2: I knew somebody. We had my secretary's husband was very
Speaker 2: interested in Bigfoot, So my son and I took a
Speaker 2: couple of guys with us at the Bumping Lake and
Speaker 2: we made a camp at night. We did a little
Speaker 2: bit of a road walk and we get up to
Speaker 2: me there was a kind of a turnaround area in
Speaker 2: this road, and the gates were all locked so you
Speaker 2: couldn't drive through there. So I just had everybody sit down,
Speaker 2: let the woods settle down around. It was probably ten
Speaker 2: o'clock at night. It was full on burk. And after
Speaker 2: you know, probably fifteen twenty minutes of sitting there and
Speaker 2: let in the wood settle down, I said, okay, let's
Speaker 2: start back to camp. Well, my son's leading the way,
Speaker 2: and then the next two guys, and then I'm bringing
Speaker 2: up the beer. And as we start to walk way,
Speaker 2: I hear this rock can fly through the trees, you
Speaker 2: know that sound, and it goes PLoP in this bit
Speaker 2: of snow right out there in front of me. So
Speaker 2: we all stop and we look at this rock, and
Speaker 2: I said, okay, we don't anybody react to this. And
Speaker 2: I think that's the key thing, big football. You'll do
Speaker 2: things to get your attention. If you overreact, you just
Speaker 2: ended the experience with him. If you just react to
Speaker 2: a little curiosity or I have to bring nonchalant about it, now,
Speaker 2: they want to do more to make sure you know
Speaker 2: they were there. So we kind of ignore it and
Speaker 2: we start walking along and we get probably a wire
Speaker 2: twenty thirty steps away from that spot, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I hear this, right. I turn around. I
Speaker 2: look on my headlamp and that same rock that had
Speaker 2: been thrown at me earlier has now been bowled up
Speaker 2: to me. And I said, I turned around, looked back
Speaker 2: in the way from from where it came, and yeah,
Speaker 2: of course there's nothing to be seen there. So okay,
Speaker 2: keep the quiet and so I'll get back to camp.
Speaker 2: We all get back to camp, get the fires looked up,
Speaker 2: and I said to everybody, I said, I want you
Speaker 2: to stand up, put your hands out, palms open flat
Speaker 2: at your side, and just turn a slow circle. Sure
Speaker 2: that you're not carrying any weapons or anything. And so
Speaker 2: we all did that, sat back down, and it didn't
Speaker 2: take long before we could hear something on the periphery
Speaker 2: of camp going through the brush, and it would make
Speaker 2: this circle where semi circle around us and then you
Speaker 2: go back either way. We didn't turn on flashlights again,
Speaker 2: We're trying to have a little closer in positive encounter
Speaker 2: with whatever this is. And so for probably forty five
Speaker 2: minutes to an hour, it would just kind of move
Speaker 2: from one side to the air or another around us.
Speaker 2: And so finally I said, you know, it's not going
Speaker 2: to do anything more than this, and I've had it.
Speaker 2: I got to go to bed.
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Speaker 2: So I get up, I walk into my tent and
Speaker 2: I'm just getting tucked into my sleeping bag when all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's all this commotion. Well, it turns
Speaker 2: out this thing had come in a little close close
Speaker 2: enough my froont my son thought that he could get
Speaker 2: a look at my son's a big guy. I don't know, six',
Speaker 2: one two hundred and forty pounds OF i mean solid.
Speaker 2: Muscle he's a big, guy and so he takes. Off
Speaker 2: the sink came around and he took off after it
Speaker 2: to get a look at. It and it was a
Speaker 2: sound of it running from him and him and running
Speaker 2: after it through the woods THAT i was listening to,
Speaker 2: say why he comes comes back into the. TENT i
Speaker 2: asked him about it and tell me what, happened AND i,
Speaker 2: said you, know, look please don't do that. Anymore don't
Speaker 2: chase the bigfoot because you might catch him and you
Speaker 2: don't want to do. That but that was there At
Speaker 2: Bumping lake and that was probably again didn't see. It
Speaker 2: but what was curious to me is where this was going.
Speaker 2: On back in the. Woods The Game department had left
Speaker 2: a bear trap back in, There so it made me
Speaker 2: wonder if someone had had big foot encounters and they
Speaker 2: said it was a, bear Because i've never seen beer in.
Speaker 2: There i've seen mountain lion in, there but never ever
Speaker 2: HAVE i seen a bear or any sign of a
Speaker 2: bear in. There so the fact that The Game department
Speaker 2: had a bearcage set up right in that area was
Speaker 2: a little curious to.
Speaker 1: Me, yeah that's very, suspect ESPECIALLY i mean. Listeners probably
Speaker 1: now The Bumping lake area has had so, much so
Speaker 1: many things happen over the. Years you can go on,
Speaker 1: YouTube there's so many different bigfoot videos and documentaries that
Speaker 1: have been made. Recently so your son went on when
Speaker 1: chasing after the? Bigfoot did he? Did he get a
Speaker 1: pretty good look at it then while he's chasing after.
Speaker 2: It, no all he could see was he could see
Speaker 2: like the back of it before you, know we go
Speaker 2: through the brush and the tree limbit move out in
Speaker 2: front of, it and then you know how there swings
Speaker 2: back behind when you pass. It he, said you could
Speaker 2: just see something as it then swung. Back he could
Speaker 2: just see this this object moving.
Speaker 1: Away that is so as like the gutsiest Thing i've ever.
Speaker 1: Heard my, GOODNESS i can't imagine. That, so, like if you,
Speaker 1: now this is Where i'm. NOT i, mean this is
Speaker 1: going to be a shocker. Surprise But i'm not really an.
Speaker 1: Outdoorsman so if you, Were let's, say if you were
Speaker 1: to chase a, bear what would?
Speaker 2: Happen ordinarily they'll run away from.
Speaker 1: You oh, okay all, Right, yeah the.
Speaker 2: Bears are are pretty shy and pretty easy to spook.
Speaker 2: OFF i wanted to tell you something else about, bumping, like,
Speaker 2: yeah which? One AND i had really an interesting one up.
Speaker 2: There we had gone up or just three years. Ago,
Speaker 2: now we just wanted to get away from from, town go, camping,
Speaker 2: somewhere and so let's go up to Bumping. Mike it's
Speaker 2: always been nice up. There so we get there and
Speaker 2: this area that we used to camp at WHEN i
Speaker 2: hunted has all changed and now it's all for horse.
Speaker 2: Camping so they have kind of these these elevated pads
Speaker 2: all over for horse. Traders and THEN i mean there's
Speaker 2: no toilets in the running water or anything like that in.
Speaker 2: There but it's really predominantly a horse. Camp so we
Speaker 2: get in. There there's nobody. There we set up our. Tent,
Speaker 2: anyway we can't have a. Campfire that's. Fine we got
Speaker 2: a lantern we put on on the picnic, table and,
Speaker 2: yeah we're just kind of having a nice time just
Speaker 2: being together away from the hustle and, bustle and gets
Speaker 2: on TO i don't, know, midnight maybe a little, laughter
Speaker 2: AND i decided it's time for me to go to.
Speaker 2: Bed so the ground is we can't have a. Campfire
Speaker 2: the ground everything is just so terribly. Dry. Geez when
Speaker 2: you put your foot, down there was a puff of
Speaker 2: dust to go, up you, know a couple of feet
Speaker 2: off the. Ground so we just had a lantern that
Speaker 2: set out. There so there was a spot AND, i you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i back up. There so, anyway we shut down.
Speaker 2: Everything we go into the can go to bed about
Speaker 2: four four th in the. Morn THEN i wake. Up
Speaker 2: i've got to answer the call of. Nature it's still,
Speaker 2: dark SO i go right out straight out the, tent
Speaker 2: across kind of this deff dusty bit of a trail
Speaker 2: and go over to where this salal brush is AND
Speaker 2: i do my. Business AND i come back into the
Speaker 2: tent And i'm standing there And i'm trying to debate
Speaker 2: and debating WHETHER i want to go back to, bed
Speaker 2: If i'm going to be able to get any more,
Speaker 2: sleep or AM i just going to get dressed and stay?
Speaker 2: Up and my son WICH, I he, said what are you?
Speaker 2: Doing AND i, said, WELL i Think i'm just going
Speaker 2: to get dressed and stay. Up and no sooner DO
Speaker 2: i say, that than right outside the, tent a great
Speaker 2: horned owl goes off the. Thing you, Know i'm right
Speaker 2: outside the tent and be looking to Other hey that's pretty,
Speaker 2: cool said, hey wait a, minute there's no tree outside that.
Speaker 2: Tent AND i wasn't don't when they're on the. Wing
Speaker 2: so we quick like get dressed. Again back out the
Speaker 2: tent we go with flash, lights and sure, enough there's
Speaker 2: no tree there and there's no. Owl but WHERE i
Speaker 2: had just, urinated about five feet to the left of
Speaker 2: me is a much larger wet spot in the road
Speaker 2: that wasn't there when we went to, bed and that's
Speaker 2: certainly not WHERE i had. Urinated but there's this huge wet.
Speaker 2: Spot and going away from the wet spot and down
Speaker 2: through This oregon grape, STUFF i can't remember what they call,
Speaker 2: it here's this great big, imprints like sixteen seventeen inch
Speaker 2: long imprints leading off AND i, know darn will they're
Speaker 2: bigfoot because they go one directly in front of the,
Speaker 2: other you, know their tracks are typically. Inline and it
Speaker 2: went one in front of the other right down over the,
Speaker 2: hill through this death and down into the area where
Speaker 2: there was an airhorse camp down. Below so that to
Speaker 2: this day that cracks us up to talk about, that
Speaker 2: about the owl that wasn't an owl and the huge wet.
Speaker 2: Spot it was kind of, like you, KNOW i, LIKE
Speaker 2: i went out and marked my territory in this head
Speaker 2: had to come out in remarkets. Territory it was just
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 1: Humorous it's extremely extremely. Interesting it's ANOTHER i, mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things from from that account where you
Speaker 1: hear bits and pieces and and. Others you hear the,
Speaker 1: owl but also the wet spot that that is that
Speaker 1: is very cool as. Well IT'S i love how you're
Speaker 1: able to have some really cool experiences with your son in.
Speaker 1: That it sounds like he was kind of into it as,
Speaker 1: well but you're at least able to get out there
Speaker 1: and and enjoy. It the The Bumping lake, area you,
Speaker 1: know it's it's you're going a little bit south. There
Speaker 1: and did you ever do anything down In Schamania? County?
Speaker 2: No, NO i.
Speaker 1: Haven't, okay Gotcha and has all your research and the
Speaker 1: things you've been involved with just have they been In
Speaker 1: washington or have you done other states as? Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah Only washington.
Speaker 1: Being involved With Bumping, lake it is relatively close to
Speaker 1: some other. Areas did you ever do have you ever
Speaker 1: done anything in The packwood Or randall Or mountaineer? Area?
Speaker 2: YEAH i participated in A bfro expedition In packwood and
Speaker 2: actually that was my first. One Kirk brandenberg had invited
Speaker 2: me to come on that and that was kind of
Speaker 2: my get introduced and see IF i like them and
Speaker 2: they liked. Me kind of a, trip and it was.
Speaker 2: Interesting the second, day people were still coming in for
Speaker 2: anticipate and a police officer off duty and his wife
Speaker 2: were driving in and he had a bigfoot across the
Speaker 2: road in front of, him and when it came across
Speaker 2: from the up hill, side crossed in front and dropped
Speaker 2: off the downhill. Side he said it had reached up
Speaker 2: and grabbed this limb and kind of swung itself over
Speaker 2: the side of the road and him. Down so we
Speaker 2: did a recreation of, that and we got this this
Speaker 2: guy to go with. Us and so it turns out
Speaker 2: THAT i can't remember who it. Was it Wasn't kirk
Speaker 2: and had Been. John somebody went back and beat the
Speaker 2: breast for a little ways back along the route of
Speaker 2: things supposedly came, from and they came through this this alder,
Speaker 2: thicket and you, know there's order been great and you,
Speaker 2: know on the ground there and so they were able
Speaker 2: to see where this thing had, wants but there wasn't anything.
Speaker 2: Definable and then of course we were trying to measure
Speaker 2: to see how tall this thing, was and the only
Speaker 2: thing we really had as a measuring point was this
Speaker 2: limb that it had reached up and grabbed onto to
Speaker 2: swing off the. Road and at the point where the
Speaker 2: witness said it had reached up and grabbed this, thing
Speaker 2: this limb that was like eleven feet off the, ground
Speaker 2: so they knew it was well beyond human dimensions to
Speaker 2: be able to reach up to that eleven foot off
Speaker 2: the ground and grab this limb and swing and and
Speaker 2: really the witnesses response and reaction to, this you, know
Speaker 2: all night. LONG i, mean here's the guy who's a police.
Speaker 2: OFFICER i suspect he's faced some, hardened you, know bad
Speaker 2: guys from time to, time and but he wouldn't leave
Speaker 2: the wouldn't leave the, campground wouldn't leave the, campfire and
Speaker 2: he couldn't even turn his back to the. Woods he
Speaker 2: had to keep rotating around like he. Was he was quite.
Speaker 2: Terrified his response WAS i, thought very, genuine and it
Speaker 2: was one of the few TIMES i think on an
Speaker 2: expedition THAT i saw someone had a valid.
Speaker 1: Experience what a what a first first, Expedition what a
Speaker 1: way to start that. Out that's very very, Cool. ROB
Speaker 1: i just wanted to say thank you so. MUCH i
Speaker 1: do you, know we'll throw one more out. There this
Speaker 1: has just been such an incredible. Conversation you are wealth and,
Speaker 1: knowledge and we've gone a lot of different places in
Speaker 1: the state Of washington in this. Interview BUT i do
Speaker 1: want to ask your initial Mount sigh, encounter when you
Speaker 1: had that visual and it was behind the, stump do
Speaker 1: you think that's the best look that you've ever gotten
Speaker 1: at a bigfoot over the? Years?
Speaker 2: Oh, ABSOLUTELY i mean it was broad. Daylight, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1: Awesome and, YEAH i guess we'll end with. This spending
Speaker 1: so many, years you, know looking into the, subject and you,
Speaker 1: know talking to people and going on, expeditions et, cetera
Speaker 1: have you come to a realization about what you think
Speaker 1: these creatures can be classified as or is it something
Speaker 1: you're still trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: Yourself you, KNOW i tend to go back and forth
Speaker 2: on that a little. Bit you, know at one TIME
Speaker 2: i was firmly in The gigantopithecus. Camp but in the
Speaker 2: ensuing years there's been discoveries. Made if you want to
Speaker 2: look into, it look Up Professor Lee berger in his
Speaker 2: findings Of Australia pithecus sediba and what is the latest,
Speaker 2: One homo no, LETTY i look for an origin for,
Speaker 2: bigfoot and you, KNOW i don't hold with extraterrestrial kind of.
Speaker 2: Stuff BUT i look for where in the human line
Speaker 2: or in the hammeted line could bigfoot have split off
Speaker 2: and evolved separately and. Differently and it wasn't UNTIL i,
Speaker 2: Mean i've looked at tons of research and archaeological reports
Speaker 2: and what have. You And Lee burger has in the
Speaker 2: past few years convinced me without intending to convince, me
Speaker 2: but he has convinced me that this goes back alongside of,
Speaker 2: us back to when we had finally decided to stop
Speaker 2: swinging in the trees and became ground. Dwelling there are
Speaker 2: fossil indications of you, know Doctor Jeff meldrum makes an
Speaker 2: awful lot about the, footprint and he talks about this
Speaker 2: this calcutaneous bone in the heel which dictates how all
Speaker 2: the foot of the big foot rotates and and where
Speaker 2: the flection point is on this, Well australopithecus, sediba discovered
Speaker 2: By Lee berger just a few years, back has that
Speaker 2: same calcutaneous bone that Doctor meldrum talks. About so is
Speaker 2: it a direct ancestor relation To? BIGFOOT i don't, Know
Speaker 2: but here now we have fossil evidence that shows linkage
Speaker 2: between then and. Them and now and them, uh and
Speaker 2: Then homo ne leetti is more recent find and that
Speaker 2: was just he just got that class found In class
Speaker 2: bied a couple of years, ago found in the same,
Speaker 2: cave much more human looking. Characteristics now granted they were
Speaker 2: they were, small you, know four and a half five feet,
Speaker 2: tall but so was everything in those. Days we know
Speaker 2: and can sign physically proved That gigantopithecus is not surviving
Speaker 2: to this. Day it could not possibly have because of
Speaker 2: the bamboo die offs and it was a specialized. Beater
Speaker 2: BUT i look to those kind of, discoveries and those
Speaker 2: two in, particular as being relevant to what we're seeing,
Speaker 2: today and maybe why we see so many is that
Speaker 2: they they thrive around. Us they actually seek us out
Speaker 2: for a direction for what we leave behind that they can.
Speaker 2: Use that's my thoughts on.
Speaker 1: It that's really. Interesting it's a part of the Subject
Speaker 1: i'm not extremely familiar, with but just looking up photos
Speaker 1: of a sideba and you're looking at artists, recreations it
Speaker 1: does have some definite similarities to what you hear from
Speaker 1: from witness. Accounts so that's very. Cool it might be
Speaker 1: Something i'll look a little bit more, into But, ROBIN
Speaker 1: i just want to say thank you for coming on the.
Speaker 1: Show do you prefer to be an individual that kind of,
Speaker 1: WELL i guess you have already said. It you prefer
Speaker 1: to be in the. Background but, YEAH i guess.
Speaker 2: If somebody somebody has questions that they want help with
Speaker 2: and they THINK i can, help on board and willing
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: That, okay very. Good is that a thing where we
Speaker 1: can share your email or just if someone reaches out type?
Speaker 2: Deal, yeah email would be, Fine, yes.
Speaker 1: Okay SO i can put that in the show. Notes, yes, okay, Perfect.
Speaker 1: Rob it's been a pleasure chatting with, you and thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing different experiences that you've had and that
Speaker 1: you've been involved with throughout your life regarding, this and
Speaker 1: we'll definitely be in. Touch but thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Today oh you're very. Welcome evan joined it.
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