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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity

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<v Speaker 1>slash the big for Society and now let's get on

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<v Speaker 1>with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society got the privilege

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<v Speaker 1>of talking to Rob today. Rob's an individual that I

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to I believe, and ask him to come

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. He's got an interesting background. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one year old lifelong resident in Washington State. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman, and a member of the BFRO.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's been involved with some very interesting things. So

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<v Speaker 1>we were kind of chatting a little bit before the

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<v Speaker 1>show started. But welcome to the show. Rob, how's it

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<v Speaker 1>going today for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Thanks, Jeremy, I very well. How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great. It's a great day when I'm able

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to some people about Bigfoot. I can't beat that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just excited to have you on so we

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<v Speaker 1>can have this conversation. But you know, Rob, when I

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<v Speaker 1>have a researcher like yourself on the show, I always

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<v Speaker 1>like to start with you know, what was it that

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<v Speaker 1>first got you into the passionate, passionate search for Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>along the years?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, the story gets a little bit in depth,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll try to convince it as much as you can. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you here, and let's see nineteen. I gotta go back here.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen sixty seven, some friends of mine and I had

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<v Speaker 2>had little trail bi ex Honda nineties, Yamaha eighties, that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing, and we were growing up in Seattle,

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<v Speaker 2>no place really to ride them, but I had spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time up in North Bend, Washington with

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<v Speaker 2>my dad fishing the little rivers and streams and ponds

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<v Speaker 2>and grouse hunting and all that up there, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was an ideal place to go ride these little bikes.

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<v Speaker 2>So a couple of us talked our dads into loading

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<v Speaker 2>up trucks with these little motorcycles and taking us up

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<v Speaker 2>for a nice long weekend in July and sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>So there were four of us with motorcycles. One guy

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have one. We all agreed to take turns carrying

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<v Speaker 2>him around, and our parents dropped us off and we

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<v Speaker 2>rode around for a little while and found a good

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<v Speaker 2>camp spot. Now I should say that the area was

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly closed due to fire hazard, but you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of scofflaws and we could tuck the little

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<v Speaker 2>motorcycles underneath the gates quite easily, So we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>set up stealth camp down this dead end, old abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>logging road and into the trees where we couldn't be seen.

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<v Speaker 2>We did nav camp fires or anything like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>one of my reasons for wanting to go to that

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<v Speaker 2>location was up on top of Mount Sai, which people

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<v Speaker 2>in North Bend are on the east side of Lake

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<v Speaker 2>Washington would be familiar with. On the top of Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Sai was an old beaver pond with a creek flowing

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<v Speaker 2>out of it, and that creek always had a nice

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<v Speaker 2>population of little cutthroat trot in it, so I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to take the guys up there and go fish that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were camped and actually just down by where

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<v Speaker 2>that creek flows off the top of the mountain and

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<v Speaker 2>goes through a little waterfall and collects and men's into

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<v Speaker 2>the Snoquamee River. So our first night was pretty uneventful,

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<v Speaker 2>and we get up that morning and we decide we're

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<v Speaker 2>all going to go up the hill and go up

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<v Speaker 2>to this beaver pond and do some fishing. So you

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<v Speaker 2>ride the motorcycles up there, we kind of stuff them

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<v Speaker 2>off in the bushes. We go through this little trail

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<v Speaker 2>it's only about twenty five thirty feet long to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the creek, and we get to the creek and

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<v Speaker 2>we rig up our fish and raw uds, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>all kind of spreading out along this creek and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just using a single salmon egg to kind of plunk

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<v Speaker 2>along these little holes. And I'm working my way downstream

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<v Speaker 2>and I get to a point where I'm probably maybe

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty five feet from the next year's

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<v Speaker 2>buddy of mine, and I'm just about to drop my

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<v Speaker 2>line in this little hole when there was this absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>ear splitting guttural, screaming, growl kind of noise. I just

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<v Speaker 2>really can't even describe it. It was just so alarming

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<v Speaker 2>and it was so loud, and it just shocked me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I stood there kind of looking around, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get my bearings and understand what it just happened. And

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<v Speaker 2>it then just panic overtook me, and I raced back

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<v Speaker 2>up the creek to where my buddies were, and the

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<v Speaker 2>four of them were standing there all together, and those

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<v Speaker 2>who had pocket knives had their knives out, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>all staring at the skill side in front of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So of course I get there and you know the

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<v Speaker 2>usual thing. You guys heard that, Where is it? What

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<v Speaker 2>was it? And they all heard it, and I'll start

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<v Speaker 2>talking back and forth about what is it? Don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>can't see, And we're looking over this hillside in front

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<v Speaker 2>of us. It's been logged off, and there's a stump

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<v Speaker 2>all bleached out white on top of it is like

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<v Speaker 2>a salmonberry bush, and we see this big brown arm

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<v Speaker 2>come out kind of sweep the bush to the side

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and as it did that, this head

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<v Speaker 2>appeared from behind the stump, peeking up over the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the stump at us, and it did that a

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<v Speaker 2>couple times, and we're just shocked. I mean, no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what this might be. So after probably fifteen twenty seconds

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<v Speaker 2>of this going on, one of the guys jumps up

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<v Speaker 2>on this big rock beside us and starts waving his

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<v Speaker 2>arms and yelling, and we did that. This thing stood

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<v Speaker 2>up and it was monstrous. It was just this giant,

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<v Speaker 2>air covered, nine foot tall, bodybuilder looking kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>standing behind this stump and staring at us, absolutely motionless,

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<v Speaker 2>just staring straight at us. And we had never seen

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<v Speaker 2>or heard of anything like this before. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>closest any of us could come to describing it was

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<v Speaker 2>not long before we'd all been spending the night at

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<v Speaker 2>my buddy Rich's house and we had watched the old

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Cushing movie about the Abominable Snowman, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the guys said, well, it's an abominable snowman, and the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of us are like, no, those things are white.

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<v Speaker 2>This things start brown. What is this? And it's just

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<v Speaker 2>standing there staring at us. So finally one of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys has had enough of it, and he jumps up

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<v Speaker 2>and waves his arms and does this big kind of

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<v Speaker 2>screen back at it, and it stood there and looked

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<v Speaker 2>at us, and then it turned to its left and

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<v Speaker 2>walked off, and it was probably about fifty yards to

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<v Speaker 2>get into the trees across this old clearcut, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just walked straight off into the trees, and that's you know.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't hear anything more from it. So we decided

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<v Speaker 2>that getting the heck out of there was the best

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<v Speaker 2>decision we could make, and we literally ran back to

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<v Speaker 2>the motorcycles and took off, and I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>stopped to catch our breath or talk again until we

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<v Speaker 2>were about probably ten twelve miles down the road from there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the agreement was we needed to find a

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<v Speaker 2>place to stay and try and find a place where

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<v Speaker 2>there were other people, which was quite hard to do

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<v Speaker 2>because again Warehousard shut down the whole area due to

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<v Speaker 2>fire danger and we had snuck yet. And a long

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<v Speaker 2>story short, we did finally find a guy and two

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<v Speaker 2>girls that had a camp set up, and the guy

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<v Speaker 2>had a rifle, and so we decided to camp with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and the next day we made our way home. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was our first big event and we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it for years afterwards, and I talked about it with

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<v Speaker 2>my dad, my grandfather, and they were both big time outdoorsmen.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandfather had probably roomed just about every square inch

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<v Speaker 2>of the state in his lifetime. And you know, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>could tell us what it was. We saw, no one

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<v Speaker 2>had ever seen anything like it. And so that went

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<v Speaker 2>on for a little ways and then we, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we just kind of let it go away. And then

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<v Speaker 2>probably in seventy or seventy one, my mother found an

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<v Speaker 2>article in a newspaper about some guys going to a

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<v Speaker 2>public library on Mercer Island and they were doing a

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<v Speaker 2>presentation on sasquatch. So, okay, it sounds good to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go see what this is all about. So I

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<v Speaker 2>went to that thing, and these two young men were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about about well, I don't think the term bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>was being used quite then. Again, this has been seventy two,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three, but they were talking about the sasquatch that

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<v Speaker 2>were known to be in California, in British Columbia and

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<v Speaker 2>probably parts of Washington. And what they were saying is

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<v Speaker 2>quite fascinating. And they made reference to a gentleman by

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<v Speaker 2>the name of John Green, and they were selling copies

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<v Speaker 2>of his books there and so anyway kind of logged

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<v Speaker 2>all that into my memory banks there and went on

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<v Speaker 2>about it. And then I finally looked up this John Green,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wrote him a letter and said he had

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<v Speaker 2>really interested in talking to you. This happened to me,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to know about it, long story short,

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<v Speaker 2>He had a friend who lived in Bellevue sent me

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<v Speaker 2>up with him to go tell him my story. He'd

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<v Speaker 2>record it for John Green, and John Green could decide

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<v Speaker 2>what he wanted to do with it from there. So

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<v Speaker 2>I met this gentleman who was purple older than my dad,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was kind of a pseudo investigator for John

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<v Speaker 2>he'd take some reports down down here in the Seattle area,

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently he thought I was credible enough that the

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<v Speaker 2>next thing I know, John Green is calling me in

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<v Speaker 2>saying he's coming to town. We'll meet at this mutual

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<v Speaker 2>friend's house and he wants to take my story. So

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<v Speaker 2>at the point in time I show up at this house,

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<v Speaker 2>I meet John Green. John Green has brought with him

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<v Speaker 2>a movie projector and he has his copy of the

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson Geinman film. And probably one of the best nights

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<v Speaker 2>of my life was sitting there at Nick's Coffee table

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<v Speaker 2>or dining room table, drinking coffee and watching the Patterson

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<v Speaker 2>Ginman film being you know that John had on this

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<v Speaker 2>projector John would write back and forth and we'd stop

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about motions and movements, and I was just

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<v Speaker 2>I was hooked. That was it. That's all I needed.

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<v Speaker 2>I was suddenly a firm believer in Bigfoot, that the

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<v Speaker 2>scene was real, that it was what I had seen,

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<v Speaker 2>and I needed to know more. So I agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>work for John Green and take reports from the Seattle area,

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<v Speaker 2>doing follow up investigations on them. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>did for a number of years until career path and

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<v Speaker 2>other obligations took me kind of away from the subject.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I wanted to spend on it, I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob That's a what a fascinating intro. I do have

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<v Speaker 1>a few questions for you about that. The two gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>the two younger gentlemen doing the presentation, was that Roger

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson and Bob Giinnon.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not No. I later met Roger Patterson, and

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<v Speaker 2>I subsequently met Bob Ginlan, of course, but no, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know who these guys were. I never ran across

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<v Speaker 2>them again. It was just the my mother had seen

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<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting to kind of history. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone has any ideas, we'll see. But also, who was

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, his name is Nick Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a ex pat Canadian, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd confabbed a bit with John Green on on

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<v Speaker 2>Springs that Nick really wasn't familiar with, but John was.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's how the two of them really

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<v Speaker 1>Going back to your initial citing a few questions about that,

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<v Speaker 1>from what you say, you'd mentioned that you did see

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it seemed to mostly be a combination. It

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<v Speaker 2>definitely had a chronical head that was very pronounced and obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>It had a very heavy brow ridge, but not really

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<v Speaker 2>like a gorilla's brow ridge. It was somewhere between a

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<v Speaker 2>grin and a pronounced human brow ridge. But the muscular

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<v Speaker 2>churi the thing was just off the charts, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoulders had to be four to four and a half

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<v Speaker 2>feet wide. It was probably close to nine foot in height.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, later on I went back to John Green

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<v Speaker 2>asked me to go back up and spend some time

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<v Speaker 2>investigating your You see what else I could dig up.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did, and I measured the underbrush where this

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<v Speaker 2>of the brush to where I saw the brush coming

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<v Speaker 2>to on this creature and determined it was nine feet tall,

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<v Speaker 2>shoulders probably four foot in with just big massive thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You were able to see it move across to the

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<v Speaker 1>note were there any similarities between the two different things

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<v Speaker 1>you saw, or was it something completely different from Patty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say it's exactly the same thing as Patty, a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit larger, and I think the stride was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit longer than what I saw from the Patterson

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<v Speaker 2>Gimmian film. But other than that, pretty much the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you notice anything you need about its gait as

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<v Speaker 2>Just the way it moved, it seemed to really float

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<v Speaker 2>more than anything you know human walks, or is that

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<v Speaker 2>little bounce as one leg transitions to the next one

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<v Speaker 2>to the next, leaving legs kind of an upward rise,

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<v Speaker 2>and this thing didn't. I mean, it was almost like

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<v Speaker 2>you could have set a glass of water on its

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<v Speaker 1>Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 1>The scream that you heard that day, have you heard

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<v Speaker 1>anything else that comes close to that scream?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Never, And I have checked every source that's ever

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<v Speaker 2>come down the pike in this since that time, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's never been anything just like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And I'm sure you have gone into animal databases

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to all sorts of different animals and nothing

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying, yeah, I think that we were all pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much in common with thinking that it sounded like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a mixture of an elephant trumpeting and a lion's war,

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<v Speaker 2>which would seem to be quite impossible to blend the two.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what we came away with, describing it as.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very interesting. That is a description that I get

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<v Speaker 1>in my emails a whole lot. It just it's just

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things. It shows up every once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, and man, I don't know what I think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but it's just a very weird thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But people are hearing something similar to what you just described.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a catalyst event then that got you back

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<v Speaker 1>into the bigfoot research field?

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<v Speaker 2>I think probably, yeah, there was. When John Green met

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<v Speaker 2>with me, he asked me what it would take for

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<v Speaker 2>me to be able to go back up and spend

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a week up there, and I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as menial as it is, it is a new job,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on, I don't I don't want to give it up,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, not have that source of income to

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<v Speaker 2>go spend time me. So he ended up giving me

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<v Speaker 2>ten copies of each of the three booklets that he

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<v Speaker 2>had in publication at the time, and with the intent

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<v Speaker 2>that I would sell the booklets, and that would give

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<v Speaker 2>me the money to go up and spend more time

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<v Speaker 2>back up in the North Bend, Montsei area. So it

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<v Speaker 2>took a couple of months, but I did manage to

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<v Speaker 2>get those books sold off, and a buddy mine and

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<v Speaker 2>I decided we'd pair up and go back up there

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<v Speaker 2>and spend time hanging out and see what we could find.

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<v Speaker 2>And we did find more footprints. The best one was unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>in a little drainage dish on the side of the

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<v Speaker 2>side of the road coming down the hill, and so

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<v Speaker 2>there was no possibility of casting that. I did photograph

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<v Speaker 2>some other ones down lower in some leaf deaf but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, other than that, we didn't find anything more

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of forgot what your question was as I

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<v Speaker 1>No, that is extremely interesting, and we'll swing back around

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<v Speaker 1>to that in a minute. But I'm sure that the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of selling, or the story of probably selling those

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<v Speaker 1>books was probably interesting in itself. How did you did

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<v Speaker 1>you just randomly go up to people or you had

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<v Speaker 1>people that you knew that were into big foot, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you'll like to check this out, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was still in high school at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me, And so I was trying to sell them

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<v Speaker 2>among my friends. And I actually sold a set of

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<v Speaker 2>books to my American history teacher. She was interested in

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<v Speaker 2>the subject. So yeah, I was just selling them to

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<v Speaker 2>fellow students.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, man, imagine if you had those today. But you

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<v Speaker 1>may have, you may have some. But uh, those those

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty Yeah, those are pretty hard to get. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I maybe out there they're easier to get, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in Iowa. They're kind of They're hard to find out here,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. But yeah, how long or how what were

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<v Speaker 1>the dimensions of the tracks that you had found that day?

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<v Speaker 2>The track was about eighteen inches in length, and measuring across,

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<v Speaker 2>the ball of the foot was about nine inches and

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<v Speaker 2>then the heel was about four and a half inches

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<v Speaker 2>around the on the back of the calcutaneous bone there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very interesting. So then after that what happened there?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you then back into the subject from there on out,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were going out and looking, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I tried to back away from it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. It's kind of interesting because when when my

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<v Speaker 2>buddy and I were up there for that week, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to fulfill the obligation of John Green. We met

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<v Speaker 2>two guys in the jeep. So backing up a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>I was afraid to go back in the woods again

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<v Speaker 2>after this event occurred John Green after meeting him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he tells me what these things are in his best opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>but he also tells me one needs to be shot

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<v Speaker 2>in order for science to validate the existence. Then suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>I was good with that, and I carried my hunting

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<v Speaker 2>rifle and so my didn't I. After this trip, my

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<v Speaker 2>his car and we're carrying rifles and the guys in

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<v Speaker 2>the cheap pull up and say, well, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>guys hunting? I said, they wouldn't believe us if we

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<v Speaker 2>told you, and they said, no, no, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing open, there's nothing, you know, it's not deer season.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, no, we're actually we're hunting bigfoot sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy says, oh, well, man, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a font lake Fontal outside of du Ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Friend of ours had a cabin up there and he

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<v Speaker 2>had one walk by and look in his window at him,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a great place to go. So sad gave

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<v Speaker 2>us a new a new place to go hang out.

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<v Speaker 2>And so after after you know, this stuff with John Green,

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<v Speaker 2>John would call me periodically if there was if he

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<v Speaker 2>had a report that he wanted to follow up on

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<v Speaker 2>down here in this area. I'd go do that, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do tape recording of the interviews or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the person was willing to do and get the information

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<v Speaker 2>down to John. But that was that was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the momentum. And now all of a sudden, my group

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<v Speaker 2>of friends are getting interested in this, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>out and looking for Sasquatch and more areas and had

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<v Speaker 2>some interesting experiences look at remote leak out in Douval

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<v Speaker 2>and just kind of branched out from there. I'd hear

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<v Speaker 2>something from somebody, you know, you usually the friend of

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<v Speaker 2>a friend kind of thing. If they found out what

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<v Speaker 2>I was interested in, they'd say, oh, you need to

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<v Speaker 2>talk with my brother in law, you need to call

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<v Speaker 2>my cousin. He saw something over on the Olympic Peninsula,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, just kind of kept me bouncing around looking.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how it goes with this whole subject. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like, at least to me, you just you start

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<v Speaker 1>going down these little rabbit trails, and then someone just

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<v Speaker 1>gives you some info and it you're on another rabbit trail,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're looking at one area a different way, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's a really fun time. I really enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>It really scratches the itch that I have in my brain,

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<v Speaker 1>so I cannot complain, and so I love doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the weirdest thing that you experienced up at

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Fontale?

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<v Speaker 2>So they went camping up there. I had my girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>female German shepherd with me. My girlfriend had her Norwegional

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<v Speaker 2>kind of her. We were camped on this little knoll

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<v Speaker 2>halfway around this lake. The lake had at one time

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<v Speaker 2>been the exclusive property of the Seattle Men's Club, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of very retreat. They used to have

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<v Speaker 2>the lake stocked with rainbow trout, and then in later

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<v Speaker 2>years the Archdiocese of Seattle acquired the property and they

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<v Speaker 2>used the old the old resort as kind of their

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<v Speaker 2>retreat facility, but they left the access to the lake open.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, my girlfriend and I are tured our two

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<v Speaker 2>the lake. There's there's a little bit of a knoll

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<v Speaker 2>there that was flat on top, and we were set

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<v Speaker 2>up for camping and it was too hot that night.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't sleep in the tent, so I went out

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<v Speaker 2>and strung my hammock up and was laying in my hammock,

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<v Speaker 2>and my female German shepherd, as usual by my side,

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<v Speaker 2>she was laying underneath my hammock. And I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>to the sound of something, you know, moving around in

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<v Speaker 2>the bushes, you know, you just hear Lynn's swishing back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth. And I wasn't sure what it was, and

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00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:48.279
<v Speaker 2>so I sat up and turned on my flashlight and

422
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.119
<v Speaker 2>looked over it kind of this little bit of the hill,

423
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.400
<v Speaker 2>and I could see my girlfriends in Norwegian now count

424
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and he would charge into underneath the cedar tree and

425
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:00.880
<v Speaker 2>he'd kind of swroll around in and he'd come back out,

426
00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:02.680
<v Speaker 2>and then he'd go back in at another angle. And

427
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>he was playing with something down there, and I don't

428
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>know what it was, but my German shepherd wasn't moving.

429
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.200
<v Speaker 2>She was standing there ears of full attention. Her hacks

430
00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>were up. She wasn't going to leave my side for nothing.

431
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 2>So I woke up my buddies and I said, hey, guys,

432
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.039
<v Speaker 2>something happening just over the hill here. And you know,

433
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.839
<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend's dog is going in and outlis brush and

434
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:28.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is down there, but but

435
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 2>there's something in there playing with the dog. So we

436
00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:35.960
<v Speaker 2>decided we were going to try and approach it the

437
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>trail we came in on paralleled the lake shore, and

438
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.240
<v Speaker 2>so two of the guys decided they were going to

439
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 2>go up onto the trail and I was going to

440
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>take my dog and go down into where this whatever

441
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>this was, and follow it or try and chase it

442
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.319
<v Speaker 2>out to where they might be able to see it,

443
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.480
<v Speaker 2>because the woods were much more open on the trail

444
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.440
<v Speaker 2>that they were walking. So we all started down and

445
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:05.200
<v Speaker 2>on end. And as I was walking through there, my

446
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:07.680
<v Speaker 2>dog was staying, My German Sheppard was just tight at

447
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:11.839
<v Speaker 2>my side, hacks up. She was on alert, moving very stealthily.

448
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.519
<v Speaker 2>But as we were going through, I could see tree

449
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.599
<v Speaker 2>limbs in front of us coming back into places after

450
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.039
<v Speaker 2>they'd been pushed aside. But I couldn't see anything itself,

451
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.920
<v Speaker 2>just these the motion of these tree limbs. Well I

452
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:27.079
<v Speaker 2>knew that very soon we were coming up into an

453
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.480
<v Speaker 2>area that was just a bunch of old rotten alders

454
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and visibility would improve greatly, So I just kind of

455
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.559
<v Speaker 2>kept pressing on. My buddies are still coming down the trail,

456
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, whatever it was in front

457
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.279
<v Speaker 2>of the just exploded out of there, just, I mean

458
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.279
<v Speaker 2>just boom, busted out of the brush and took off running. Well,

459
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I knew it had gotten to the clearcut and it

460
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>was trying to get across the clear cut. So my

461
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.319
<v Speaker 2>buddies heard that and they started running down the trail

462
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 2>hoping to cut this thing off, and I'm trying to

463
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>beat feet through the brush behind it. None of us

464
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:00.160
<v Speaker 2>caught sight of they were caught up to it. We

465
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>could hear it running off through the woods. So the

466
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 2>next day, daylight, well actually later daylight, we went back

467
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.279
<v Speaker 2>up on the trail and tried to follow this thing.

468
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.400
<v Speaker 2>And I don't recall what the track size was, but

469
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 2>we did find some big tracks. But in the trail,

470
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>in the path that this thing had taken, it was

471
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 2>a big old Douglas fir that had fallen down, as

472
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>they do when they get too light, and the top

473
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>of the truck, the top of the tree was about

474
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 2>four and a half to five feet above the ground

475
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and whatever the thing was. It had put one foot

476
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>down on the ground in front of the tree and

477
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>then looked up and over this tree, which was to

478
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 2>the top of the tree was about five and a

479
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>half feet high. It had cleared that tree and come

480
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 2>down on the left foot on the other side of

481
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 2>the tree. I mean, it just made this running jump

482
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>over this big dog on tree and it continued off

483
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>through the brush. So and again, you know, the track

484
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 2>was visibly enough or at least identifiable enough to recognize

485
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 2>it as kind of a human shape foot, but you know,

486
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>considerably larger. I don't think we well, I know, we

487
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 2>didn't measure it because we didn't have anything to measure with.

488
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I remember it was well beyond the

489
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>norms for a human size foot. And there wasn't anybody

490
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 2>living back in there at that time. There are no

491
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>houses or anything else back there, So it was just

492
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 2>really a curious thing that it stayed around plain with

493
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 2>the dog and then it ran away from us little people.

494
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting, especially you know, you hear reports over

495
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the years about supposed interactions with dogs, and you do

496
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:46.759
<v Speaker 1>hear some some really interesting things, so it's not surprising.

497
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.039
<v Speaker 1>It is it is interesting the way that the two

498
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>different dog breeds were reacting. Yeah, myself, my first dog

499
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>was an Norwegian l count, so I can really picture

500
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.319
<v Speaker 1>it and it would get into some issues, you know,

501
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:06.119
<v Speaker 1>the porcupine quills in the face down by the reservoir

502
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and things of that nature. But I could totally see

503
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 1>how that dog was definitely going after it. So how

504
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.279
<v Speaker 1>old were you during that encounter.

505
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Let's see that was eighteen or nineteen.

506
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, okay, that's really cool. So then what when

507
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>did you start to link up with the BFRORO. Is

508
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>is that quite a time jump to get from you know,

509
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>your early twenties to when you linked up with the BFRO.

510
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was probably in two thousand and twelve, I

511
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>think twelve and eleven or twenty twelve. Then I got

512
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>hooked up at the BFRORO.

513
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>And then that whole time frame between let's say, you

514
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.119
<v Speaker 1>know this Lake font Hall and then the bf or

515
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 1>that whole time are you still doing Bigfoot research with

516
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>your buddies.

517
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, we were continuing to look into things if

518
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>we heard about him.

519
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

520
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:36.839
<v Speaker 2>I remember there was a sighting and alleged siding made

521
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>the newspaper out in Maple Valley, Washington. Individual driving home

522
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:47.119
<v Speaker 2>from Boeing one night after work said that he came

523
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 2>around this corner and saw a cow sleeping on the

524
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>side of the road, and it concerned him and confused him,

525
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.839
<v Speaker 2>and he stopped, rolled down his window to look at

526
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.319
<v Speaker 2>his cow. But what stood up and walked off into

527
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 2>the woods was a bigfoot. So John had called me.

528
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 2>John Green had called me and asked if I would

529
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.559
<v Speaker 2>go look into that, and I did. My brother in

530
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.319
<v Speaker 2>law and I went out there and spent considerable time

531
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>looking for this thing and looking for track. We did

532
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 2>find just off the road there was a piece of

533
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.839
<v Speaker 2>sheet rock. People had been dumping stuff all over out there,

534
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>but there was a piece of sheet rock, probably like

535
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>four foot by five foot five eighth sheet rock, laying there,

536
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 2>and something had stepped on the middle of that and

537
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>there was a big impression. But because of the way

538
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 2>it broke, there was and you know, it's hard enough material,

539
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't any definable toes or anything like that, but

540
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:46.160
<v Speaker 2>just to kind of the overall outline of a very

541
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 2>large humanoid print was visible in the broken sheet rock

542
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>and so my brother in law and we went out

543
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>there several times. We went back and forth through the woods,

544
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.160
<v Speaker 2>nothing down the power line and never found anything more

545
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>than that to substantiate the report or the plane. And

546
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 2>then I think one of the most interesting ones I

547
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>got on too, in the of an area of Pelop

548
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>called South Hill. There was a state trooper coming out

549
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>to go on the shift one night. And I don't

550
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>know how it is we are that our state patrolmen

551
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.240
<v Speaker 2>they take their cars home with them, so from the

552
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 2>minute they lived to leave their driveway, they're on duty. Well,

553
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 2>the state trooper had come out of this little development

554
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 2>in his car, was coming down this road and a

555
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot cross the road in front of him and then

556
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>went down through this delley off the other side of

557
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>the road and disappeared. Well, a news reporter who got

558
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 2>onto this story and was talking with people in the

559
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>area said that they were also getting these very strange vocalizations.

560
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>So John Green had called me and asked if I

561
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>would go out and follow up on this, and and

562
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:04.400
<v Speaker 2>so I did. And the people that I met who

563
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>had reported it to the paper, Well back a bit

564
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 2>back up here, my uncle was a state patrolman and

565
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I asked, asked him to get a hold of this

566
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.160
<v Speaker 2>trooper and have him call me, because that was the

567
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Speaker 2>easiest way to find this guy. So Mark something, I

568
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.559
<v Speaker 2>can't remember his last name at the moment, he did

569
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>call me. I talked with him, and he told me

570
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.359
<v Speaker 2>where he lived and told me that there were people

571
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 2>in this development that had been reporting hearing this thing

572
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 2>coming down this power line, you know, periodically throughout the week.

573
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 2>So I took a buddy with me and we went

574
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>out there and I met with these people who had

575
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 2>supposedly gotten this recording, and they got it on a

576
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.960
<v Speaker 2>reel to reel tape deck. They'd heard it several nights

577
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 2>in a row, and one night the wife just set

578
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.279
<v Speaker 2>up the recorder in the bedroom window to capture it.

579
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>So I took my reel to reel recorder and I

580
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 2>made a cop of her tape online, and it was

581
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>very compelling. It was a very high pitch screen certainly

582
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>seemed to be much more forceful than any coyote wouldbuster,

583
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.039
<v Speaker 2>but there were similarities in the overall sound to it.

584
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>We spent some time some nights down there, sitting out

585
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>along this power line, but one night we thought we

586
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 2>heard it coming, but it never did come any you know,

587
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 2>come close enough to make any any definitive thought on it.

588
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 2>But that was probably an interesting one. It was my tape.

589
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>It was it was my recording off somebody else's tape,

590
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the people who had originally reported this thing. In my

591
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 2>conversation with the state trooper as to what he'd seen,

592
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that kind of brought all that forward. But that was

593
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:52.679
<v Speaker 2>a very interesting one. You know, a sworn law enforcement

594
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:58.360
<v Speaker 2>officer risks his career and ridicule by giving a statement

595
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 2>about this same crossing the road, about his neighbors hearing

596
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>these sounds and these people making recordings. You know that

597
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.280
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty concrete evidence in my opinion.

598
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. So you're saying these were audio tapes of the vocals, Yes,

599
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>do you still have those?

600
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 2>No? I don't. It was there were It was an

601
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 2>old you know, one of the before we had cassette tapes,

602
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 2>they had the little, real real ones. Yeah. Anyway, I

603
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 2>sent the tape to John Green because I was again

604
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I was working for him, so Cliff Barkman might have him.

605
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>As I understand it, he's in possession of most of

606
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>John Green's stuff.

607
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Now I do know a little bit about this account,

608
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>just because I was like, man, the sun is really familiar.

609
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>So I just did a little search and so that

610
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 1>the State troopers name is Mark Pettinger, and this is yes,

611
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and this is February seventeenth, nineteen seventy five. Is that

612
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>you may have seen a photo of a younger individual,

613
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 1>a young boy, well maybe around like twelve thirteen, holding

614
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 1>up a Bigfoot cast And it's definitely a nineteen seventies

615
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 1>photo going off of the hairstyle of the boy. But

616
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 1>that individual's name is Mark Pettinger Junior, which I've always like, Man,

617
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I've always thought, actually looking at that photo, I bet

618
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>that guy has a really cool story, but I've never

619
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>been able to find him. But yeah, that's interesting that

620
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that just came up. That that's part of your bigfoot

621
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 1>past as well. It's very cool. Thank you for sharing that.

622
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that happened there was it confuses me

623
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>to this day. I have no no logical explanation for

624
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>what happened. But a friend of mine, man I he

625
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.639
<v Speaker 2>wanted to go bear hunting, so we went up on

626
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the east side, south end, east of Mount Si out

627
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 2>of North Bend, where there we had always been a

628
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty good population of bear, and he likes hunting clearcuts.

629
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.679
<v Speaker 2>I like hunting the woods. So we decided that between us,

630
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.679
<v Speaker 2>him going down this clear cut and me going through

631
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 2>the woods, we'd stand a better chance of cutting truck

632
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 2>and maybe figuring out where these bear were going. And

633
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm walking along through the woods, and this particular patch

634
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 2>of woods it's all soft woods, popular and alder and

635
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, and it's just this deep, wonderful carpet

636
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 2>of mossy walking in. I mean, you walk through there

637
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 2>so quietly. It was crazy. But I'm just probably I

638
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe fifteen twenty yards at most inside the

639
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 2>woods from the clearcut where my buddy is walking, and

640
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:56.199
<v Speaker 2>we're kind of going parallel. And I stopped for a

641
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 2>minute to lean up against this tree. Well, the tree

642
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 2>was dead and I need against it in the barren.

643
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Tree fell over. Well I've stooped out whatever is in

644
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>here now, knocking this tree down. But I kind of

645
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 2>did this stupid thing. I mean, I'm like eighteen years old.

646
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not the brightest guy in the world.

647
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.480
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm walking along and I think, oh gosh,

648
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 2>these trees fall over off leasy, they're all dead so

649
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:20.639
<v Speaker 2>I walk up to run and they just give it

650
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 2>a shove and it falls. So walking along to another one,

651
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's probably a little bigger things, probably still I

652
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know, twenty four to twenty five feet tall, about

653
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 2>eight to ten inch in diameter, and I give that

654
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.719
<v Speaker 2>one a shove and it falls over. And the moment

655
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 2>that that thing fell over, it felt like i'd been electrocuted.

656
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 2>I just they're just just I don't know how to

657
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.199
<v Speaker 2>describe it. I've never had a feeling like this before

658
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>or since. But it was almost like someone had run

659
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 2>a ramrod right up my back side, up through my spine.

660
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.679
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't move. I was just kind of locked suddenly

661
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 2>in place. I hadn't anything, I didn't see anything. It

662
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.159
<v Speaker 2>was just bam, I'm locked bolt upright and I can't move,

663
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's panicking me. And I realize I've got to

664
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>settle down. I've got to get out of here. Whatever

665
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 2>it is, I got to get out of here. So

666
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I started to, you know, kind of breathe forcefully, and

667
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I found that I could move a little bit. And

668
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>my rifle was an old sportized Argentine mouser. It had

669
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>a big, old safety level that flops one hundred and

670
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>eighty degrees, and so I flipped it up to half off,

671
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.280
<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking and slowly turning and looking behind them,

672
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 2>looking all around, and there's absolutely nothing there, but I

673
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 2>can't shake the feeling. Well in front of me, maybe

674
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:45.039
<v Speaker 2>seven feet away at most, maybe eight, there's a vine maple.

675
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.440
<v Speaker 2>And you know wine maples, they oftentimes they go right

676
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>back down to the ground. They just make these big clumps.

677
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.679
<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking at this wine maple and I can

678
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 2>see that that underneath it, it's moss. And to me,

679
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.639
<v Speaker 2>that vine maple was cover, and that cover was security,

680
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and I needed to get there, but I was afraid

681
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to move, and I just I'm slowly trying to turn around.

682
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.199
<v Speaker 2>I still can't see anything behind that. I don't hear

683
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.679
<v Speaker 2>anything else again, but to me, that tree is my salvation.

684
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So I just kind of gave myself the counter three

685
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.159
<v Speaker 2>and I took a big leap and then half a

686
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.559
<v Speaker 2>step and dove literally dove underneath this vine maple, and

687
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I landed on the moss. It was nice. I immediately

688
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>rolled over, looking behind me with my rifle pointing out

689
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 2>in that direction. Man, there was nothing, but I still

690
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 2>had that feeling that doing was imminent, but there was

691
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:42.119
<v Speaker 2>nothing there. Next thing, I know, I'm waking up. I'd

692
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 2>passed out or fallen asleep something, and I'm coming to

693
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 2>and I'm kind of doing inventory on myself and my rifle,

694
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking around and there's the feeling that i'd

695
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.760
<v Speaker 2>had is completely gone. And I crawled out from underneath

696
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.559
<v Speaker 2>this vine maple and the world was normal again, shining

697
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.519
<v Speaker 2>through the trees. Life was good. So I continued on

698
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 2>down and got let my buddy down at the lower road,

699
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 2>the rendezvous point, and you know that was I have

700
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 2>no explanation for that, but I have since had other

701
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>witnesses tell me that they have had a paralyzing fear

702
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 2>only to then see a big foot walk away from

703
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 2>them somewhere nearby. And I guess I'm attributing that sensation,

704
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.480
<v Speaker 2>which I had never had before or since, to having

705
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.760
<v Speaker 2>been in proximity to a bigfoot that wasn't happy that

706
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I was there.

707
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I was going to bring up. I was like,

708
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure from talking to many witnesses over the years,

709
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 1>you've probably heard details of that account in their accounts

710
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.960
<v Speaker 1>as well. I was just listening to you talking I'm like, man,

711
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:53.119
<v Speaker 1>I've heard similarities to what he is saying right now

712
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 1>over the years. And also just the fact where you

713
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:03.119
<v Speaker 1>fall asleep directly after having something happen. Is it because

714
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 1>you know you are just you have so much adrenaline

715
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>adrenaline going on, or is it you know, directly related

716
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:16.119
<v Speaker 1>to you know, maybe you did have well, you definitely

717
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 1>had some encounter happen. Is It's incredible. I've never heard

718
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>someone do you well, do you think that was infrasound?

719
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Or I do? Yeah in years later, now you know

720
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:33.280
<v Speaker 2>those days really talk about Bigfoot infrasound wasn't even on

721
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the horizon, But yes, years later, I do believe that

722
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 2>that's what it was.

723
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Man, that's one of the most intense infrasound accounts that

724
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I've heard. And I'm sure there's some other ones out

725
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 1>there as well, but I mean, wow, that's that's incredible. Rock.

726
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for sharing. Sure, can you tell me the

727
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.519
<v Speaker 1>story of how you got linked up with the bfurro then?

728
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So of course the Finding Bigfoot show came on,

729
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:08.639
<v Speaker 2>and I've watched everything that I could ever ever see

730
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 2>or find on Bigfoot, the Sassquatch, anything that would come

731
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 2>on TV and I started watching those episodes and I

732
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>thought some of these guys seem to be pretty legit.

733
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Some of their their findings or their encounters and experiences

734
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:28.280
<v Speaker 2>are in line with what I've seen, and so I

735
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>just sent into an email and I got a response

736
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.800
<v Speaker 2>back saying they'd like me to meet with this local

737
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:44.159
<v Speaker 2>individual and talk about membership and participation, and it kind

738
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.920
<v Speaker 2>of went on from there. I met with Kirk Brandenburg,

739
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 2>who's the well known guy the BFI local gout here,

740
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 2>and Kirk and I went out and investigated a sighting together,

741
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:02.039
<v Speaker 2>and I guess he decided I would worthy enough for

742
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>at least not a threat, and recommitted me for membership.

743
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Well there you go, and the rest is history. You know,

744
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>we had been talking before the interview started, and you

745
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 1>had mentioned something that sounds really interesting, something that you

746
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>were involved with on the Olympic Peninsula. There was an

747
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>investigation where there was a group that had had some

748
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:29.039
<v Speaker 1>weird things going on.

749
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was interesting. So in my license plates in

750
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.360
<v Speaker 2>my truck pretty well indicate what I like doing. I've

751
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.440
<v Speaker 2>got a big footsticker in the back and my license

752
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 2>plate as Squatcher. So at work, I was a vice

753
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:52.280
<v Speaker 2>president of environmental health and safety for a multi state contractor.

754
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 2>And I drove my own truck one day when my

755
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 2>company vehicle was in the shop, and one of the

756
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.519
<v Speaker 2>subcontractor plays sat on my truck and asked me about it,

757
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and so we about to talking and he said, well,

758
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 2>he said, I I live at this place that is

759
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:14.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of remote, and in our little community, people have

760
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.639
<v Speaker 2>been experiencing things, and you know, let me talk around

761
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the around the community and see if they'd be willing

762
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.480
<v Speaker 2>to have you come in and talk with them and

763
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 2>get some of their stories. So long story short, he did,

764
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 2>and and I was able to are allowed to go

765
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 2>in there. And they really are I mean they're not

766
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>it's not a survivalist. It's not a militia group.

767
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Big for a SOCIETYHO will be right back after these messages.

768
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 2>They're just kind of like minded people. Well I think

769
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.599
<v Speaker 2>they're they're certainly not enthralled with the government, but they're

770
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:06.079
<v Speaker 2>not anti government people. But they just want to be

771
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 2>left alone. And so they've bought up to all this

772
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:14.079
<v Speaker 2>property over on the Anthic Peninsula and they lived behind gates.

773
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.679
<v Speaker 2>And I took my wife with me and we went

774
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 2>over and we up some really nice people who all

775
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 2>had had encounters around their area there, around their woods

776
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and down to the ocean beach off the other side

777
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:34.639
<v Speaker 2>of their habitats. So we walked around, talked to these people,

778
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.039
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I said to them, you know, if

779
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 2>you guys don't mind, I kind of want to go

780
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>off down through the woods here see what we can find.

781
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.840
<v Speaker 2>And that was fine with everybody. So my wife and

782
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I started off down through woods, heading towards the towards

783
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.559
<v Speaker 2>the bush and towards the ocean rather. And we could

784
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 2>see things here and there, little you know, indentations that

785
00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>could be imprints, but nothing really, nothing terribly definable. We

786
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>got down to the ocean and right where a river

787
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.719
<v Speaker 2>comes out and joins the ocean, and I thought, man,

788
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>this is perfect habitat. You know you've got You've got Yes,

789
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>there has been some active logging in the area, but

790
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:23.400
<v Speaker 2>you've got this community that has all this property. It's quiet. Uh,

791
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 2>there's nobody shooting guns up in here. They're surrounded by woods,

792
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 2>you've got fresh water, you've got salt water. So if

793
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 2>they want to go after shell fish and mollusks, they've

794
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.840
<v Speaker 2>got that going for them. If they want, you know,

795
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:38.320
<v Speaker 2>the summer in or the spawning salmon, or some are

796
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 2>in steel hit, anything like that. They've got that river.

797
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a great place. And so with that in mind,

798
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.960
<v Speaker 2>now that thinking, yeah, there could be more, we started

799
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:48.000
<v Speaker 2>walking around the woods a little bit more and we

800
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 2>did find some some very interesting trackways around the perimeter

801
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.800
<v Speaker 2>of this community, and we did talk with people that

802
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.119
<v Speaker 2>had had had sightings. One house that we talked to

803
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>something that's coming up in the middle of the night,

804
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.199
<v Speaker 2>slapping on the side of the house, and that was

805
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.960
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. But I think the one that really got

806
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.920
<v Speaker 2>me was again on one of our job sites, one

807
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of our crew who all do my pastime, said, Hey,

808
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, you got to go over and talk with

809
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>my grandparents over in Port Angelos. They've got the craziest property.

810
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>There's just weird stuff going on over there. So he

811
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.320
<v Speaker 2>set it up for me to be able to go

812
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 2>talk with them and great people. They had this piece

813
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>of property on the outskirts of Port Angeles, but I

814
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.760
<v Speaker 2>mean not really very far off the beaten path. There

815
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe a matter of three blocks off, four blocks off

816
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>when the main drags through. PA and I took my

817
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>son with me and we interviewed the grandparents and then

818
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:00.480
<v Speaker 2>their daughter and grandson were living in another house on

819
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the property. And I think one of the funniest things

820
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 2>that I was told was her grandmother wanted to be

821
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 2>begun to keep pests out of her little truck patch guard.

822
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 2>So on one night she thinks she can hear something outside.

823
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 2>She's not sure if it's raccoon or whatever. She takes

824
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.719
<v Speaker 2>her a little bbgun. She goes out the back door.

825
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 2>There are two nineteen forty eight Dodge pickups part side

826
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 2>by side. One belongs to Grandpa, one belongs to his son.

827
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.719
<v Speaker 2>They've bought these trucks to restore them, and they're sitting there,

828
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.760
<v Speaker 2>side by side, and she's looking and over the top

829
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:41.800
<v Speaker 2>of the truck farthest from her, she sees a sasquatch

830
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.519
<v Speaker 2>head pop up and stare back at her. In her panic,

831
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:51.840
<v Speaker 2>she starts shooting her be begun the sasquatch and it

832
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.159
<v Speaker 2>ducks back down. She slams the door, goes in and

833
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.760
<v Speaker 2>tells her husband to turn on all the lights outside.

834
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Next morning, the sun in law comes over and he

835
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.440
<v Speaker 2>comes in the house and they said, hey, you guys,

836
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 2>got any idea who shot all the windows up on

837
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 2>my truck. Apparently she'd never hit the big Foot, but

838
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 2>she was breaking windows out of the thing. But that

839
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of cracked me up. But they had stuff going on,

840
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 2>and I said, and I wandered back up this creek

841
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that just kind of aimlessly comes down from a mountain

842
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.880
<v Speaker 2>up there. Really wanted this creek. And we found the

843
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.400
<v Speaker 2>occasional impression that looked like it could have been a footprint,

844
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>but now it's been washed out a little bit by

845
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:36.719
<v Speaker 2>rising and falling creek. We found some patches of deer

846
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 2>for which isn't really unusual either, but these people had

847
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.840
<v Speaker 2>also told us that that deer would show up periodically

848
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 2>in the yards with a broken back leg, which sounded

849
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.800
<v Speaker 2>odd to me until you know, kind of going over

850
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>some bfr O reports. There's been some speculation and some

851
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.679
<v Speaker 2>actual accounts a sasquatch cackling deer by by you know,

852
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.599
<v Speaker 2>breaking the legs the deer can't run away from them,

853
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 2>grabbing them by the legs and intentially breaking them. So

854
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I kind of wondered if that was going on there too.

855
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 2>There was an interesting area. There was this creek that

856
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.719
<v Speaker 2>came down off this mountain. It wound around through all

857
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 2>these little hobby farms up there in the foothills, you know,

858
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.039
<v Speaker 2>covered over with brush, but a great pathway for something

859
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.400
<v Speaker 2>to be able to come out down out of the

860
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 2>deep woods and come down and pick off, you know,

861
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.480
<v Speaker 2>a shopping basket of food from these little hobby farms

862
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:39.199
<v Speaker 2>as that went along.

863
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:46.480
<v Speaker 1>What an incredible account of Grandma trying to take out

864
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the Sasquatch, I mean, really just to protect the property.

865
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's fantastic good for her. Wow, let's

866
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.400
<v Speaker 1>let's pretend we're around the campfire and there's some new

867
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:05.079
<v Speaker 1>BFRO recruits with us, and uh, where's just telling stories?

868
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Are there any investigations that you could say, you know,

869
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.119
<v Speaker 1>I was involved with that investigation? Uh, that was that

870
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 1>was pretty cool.

871
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 2>One of the most interesting ones to me. So I

872
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.360
<v Speaker 2>live in Snahomish, Washington, and so I'm really kind of

873
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:31.159
<v Speaker 2>in the foothills of the Cascades here, and I spend

874
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time of what they call the Mountain

875
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Loop Highway, which goes out of Granite Falls, goes up

876
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 2>along the Pilchuk River, connects into the Sok River and

877
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.079
<v Speaker 2>down into Derrington. And that's kind of my my stopping

878
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.440
<v Speaker 2>grounds and research area, and a report came into the

879
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:55.280
<v Speaker 2>BFRO these young men had supposedly been up on Mount Pilchuck,

880
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.920
<v Speaker 2>which used to years ago be a it was a

881
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.960
<v Speaker 2>ski area uh Mount Pelchuk, and that these young men

882
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:10.519
<v Speaker 2>had from a church group after their youth meeting or whatever,

883
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:12.199
<v Speaker 2>decided they were going to go out and look for Bigfoot.

884
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 2>And they went up this Mount Pelchuk road and then

885
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 2>there was a little side road they went up, and

886
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:18.440
<v Speaker 2>they were all sitting up there and they'd get out

887
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 2>periodically and you know, look around these ridges. Good kids

888
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:26.480
<v Speaker 2>just out having fun being in the woods, and they

889
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.000
<v Speaker 2>got spooked off. They started hearing things approaching them. They

890
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>got back in the car and one of them said

891
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 2>he saw red eyeshine coming through the rear window of

892
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 2>the car towards him, and then they decided to get

893
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 2>out of there, so they reported this to BFRO O.

894
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.000
<v Speaker 2>My wife I went up there to look into it,

895
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and I had just recently bought a game call and

896
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I took that along to play with. And so where

897
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 2>these guys were there was an old access road. It

898
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.920
<v Speaker 2>was an old maintenance road on Mount Piltchuk, and it

899
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 2>actually goes up around to the west side and then

900
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 2>veer your south. It's all overgrown. You can't drive up

901
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.599
<v Speaker 2>in there. You can walk up in there, but not.

902
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Pilchrick is a popular climbing trail, and that's something they

903
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.559
<v Speaker 2>do over in a little different area of it. So

904
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.360
<v Speaker 2>we went up there. We got there about the same

905
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 2>time of evening that the young men told me that

906
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 2>they'd gone up there originally. And so I hadn't use

907
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.079
<v Speaker 2>this game called before, and I thought, well, we'll see

908
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:34.559
<v Speaker 2>what happens. So the first thing I do is I

909
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>play the phone in distress call and then I stop

910
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 2>and I give it a few minutes, and then I

911
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.559
<v Speaker 2>play it again, stop a few minutes, and play it again,

912
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.119
<v Speaker 2>and then they stop everything, and I wait for about

913
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:49.760
<v Speaker 2>oh I was probably ten to fifteen minutes. And on

914
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:53.239
<v Speaker 2>my game Caller, there's like the coyote reunion. It's a

915
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>coyote pack all yipping and howling and one thing or

916
00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:59.239
<v Speaker 2>another at each other, and it's the thing you hear

917
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.360
<v Speaker 2>when coyotes together at night before they go off to hunt.

918
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:06.480
<v Speaker 2>So I played that and all of a sudden, something

919
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>there's just this thunderous steps started coming down through the woods,

920
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 2>just just boom boom, boom, boomuse me something coming down

921
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the hill towards us all this access road. And I'm

922
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 2>starting to get a little bit panicked about this because

923
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>as far as I don't want the only guy there

924
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.039
<v Speaker 2>with a gun, and what I've got under my shoulder

925
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.039
<v Speaker 2>is just a ninth millimeter and I don't have a

926
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of faith in that. But I think we're going

927
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.719
<v Speaker 2>to be run over and eating well all this. Everybody

928
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:40.719
<v Speaker 2>hears it. You can almost feel it in the ground,

929
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and we're all standing there, like what we're going to

930
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>do now? You know? I called up the demon and

931
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 2>it stopped, came to an abrupt halt just beyond where

932
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 2>we could possibly see it back in the trees, and

933
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.199
<v Speaker 2>we decided it was probably a good time to leave.

934
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.440
<v Speaker 2>And I never never ever did that again, and I

935
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.880
<v Speaker 2>don't recommend that anybody do that. Guys. I think that,

936
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:05.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's almost like ringing the dinner bell. If

937
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:06.920
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna ring the dinner bell, you better have food

938
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna give it, otherwise you might you might

939
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.400
<v Speaker 2>find yourself in harm's way.

940
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's that's a great thing to say. Is

941
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.800
<v Speaker 1>on the show, there's a lot of accounts shared about well,

942
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I did this and then I did this. Guys, we're

943
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:27.159
<v Speaker 1>not saying to do it. We're saying this happened, and

944
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:33.760
<v Speaker 1>probably don't do it, because really, stuff can happen. And yeah,

945
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.760
<v Speaker 1>if you ring the dinner bell, make sure you got

946
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.679
<v Speaker 1>the food there. That's a very interesting way to say it.

947
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:45.239
<v Speaker 1>But I think you're you're dead on. You had mentioned

948
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:49.760
<v Speaker 1>before the interview that you had some dealings around the

949
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Bumping Lake area.

950
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I used to all count in the in

951
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.239
<v Speaker 2>the early seventies, my brother in law and I kind

952
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.480
<v Speaker 2>of out of Bumping Lake and no idea that there

953
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:06.559
<v Speaker 2>had ever been a big foot sighting or report in

954
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:11.079
<v Speaker 2>that area at all. But we hunted the heck out

955
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.360
<v Speaker 2>of that place for three years and there was a

956
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.440
<v Speaker 2>trail that went up to At the time, they called

957
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 2>it Twin Sisters Lakes. I think they've changed the name now.

958
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.559
<v Speaker 2>It was a great place. I mean, there was an

959
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 2>old old mining town back up in there. We just

960
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 2>never had anything happen. It was just just a nice

961
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.800
<v Speaker 2>place to go. All cutting wasn't great, but it was

962
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:36.400
<v Speaker 2>fun country to be in. And then all of a

963
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 2>sudden people are reporting seeing bigfoot up in there and

964
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:44.760
<v Speaker 2>having these encounters, So I took some guys that my

965
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:47.320
<v Speaker 2>son and I decided that well, he knew somebody and

966
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I knew somebody. We had my secretary's husband was very

967
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 2>interested in Bigfoot, So my son and I took a

968
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.079
<v Speaker 2>couple of guys with us at the Bumping Lake and

969
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:02.719
<v Speaker 2>we made a camp at night. We did a little

970
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.079
<v Speaker 2>bit of a road walk and we get up to

971
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.280
<v Speaker 2>me there was a kind of a turnaround area in

972
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.920
<v Speaker 2>this road, and the gates were all locked so you

973
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 2>couldn't drive through there. So I just had everybody sit down,

974
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 2>let the woods settle down around. It was probably ten

975
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.239
<v Speaker 2>o'clock at night. It was full on burk. And after

976
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably fifteen twenty minutes of sitting there and

977
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.000
<v Speaker 2>let in the wood settle down, I said, okay, let's

978
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 2>start back to camp. Well, my son's leading the way,

979
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and then the next two guys, and then I'm bringing

980
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 2>up the beer. And as we start to walk way,

981
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.559
<v Speaker 2>I hear this rock can fly through the trees, you

982
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:41.199
<v Speaker 2>know that sound, and it goes PLoP in this bit

983
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.239
<v Speaker 2>of snow right out there in front of me. So

984
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 2>we all stop and we look at this rock, and

985
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:48.639
<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, we don't anybody react to this. And

986
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the key thing, big football. You'll do

987
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>things to get your attention. If you overreact, you just

988
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.960
<v Speaker 2>ended the experience with him. If you just react to

989
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:03.079
<v Speaker 2>a little curiosity or I have to bring nonchalant about it, now,

990
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:04.960
<v Speaker 2>they want to do more to make sure you know

991
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.199
<v Speaker 2>they were there. So we kind of ignore it and

992
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 2>we start walking along and we get probably a wire

993
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.519
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty steps away from that spot, and all of

994
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.280
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, I hear this, right. I turn around. I

995
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:21.199
<v Speaker 2>look on my headlamp and that same rock that had

996
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:25.000
<v Speaker 2>been thrown at me earlier has now been bowled up

997
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:27.239
<v Speaker 2>to me. And I said, I turned around, looked back

998
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.519
<v Speaker 2>in the way from from where it came, and yeah,

999
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.920
<v Speaker 2>of course there's nothing to be seen there. So okay,

1000
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:34.760
<v Speaker 2>keep the quiet and so I'll get back to camp.

1001
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:37.880
<v Speaker 2>We all get back to camp, get the fires looked up,

1002
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and I said to everybody, I said, I want you

1003
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:44.440
<v Speaker 2>to stand up, put your hands out, palms open flat

1004
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:47.280
<v Speaker 2>at your side, and just turn a slow circle. Sure

1005
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:49.960
<v Speaker 2>that you're not carrying any weapons or anything. And so

1006
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:53.320
<v Speaker 2>we all did that, sat back down, and it didn't

1007
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:57.599
<v Speaker 2>take long before we could hear something on the periphery

1008
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.920
<v Speaker 2>of camp going through the brush, and it would make

1009
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 2>this circle where semi circle around us and then you

1010
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 2>go back either way. We didn't turn on flashlights again,

1011
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 2>We're trying to have a little closer in positive encounter

1012
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:18.440
<v Speaker 2>with whatever this is. And so for probably forty five

1013
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.440
<v Speaker 2>minutes to an hour, it would just kind of move

1014
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:22.960
<v Speaker 2>from one side to the air or another around us.

1015
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:27.360
<v Speaker 2>And so finally I said, you know, it's not going

1016
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.880
<v Speaker 2>to do anything more than this, and I've had it.

1017
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I got to go to bed.

1018
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Big for SOCIETYHO will be right back after these messages.

1019
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.920
<v Speaker 2>So I get up, I walk into my tent and

1020
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm just getting tucked into my sleeping bag when all

1021
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.360
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, there's all this commotion. Well, it turns

1022
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.760
<v Speaker 2>out this thing had come in a little close close

1023
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:04.960
<v Speaker 2>enough my froont my son thought that he could get

1024
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 2>a look at my son's a big guy. I don't know, six',

1025
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:12.920
<v Speaker 2>one two hundred and forty pounds OF i mean solid.

1026
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Muscle he's a big, guy and so he takes. Off

1027
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:19.719
<v Speaker 2>the sink came around and he took off after it

1028
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:21.440
<v Speaker 2>to get a look at. It and it was a

1029
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.559
<v Speaker 2>sound of it running from him and him and running

1030
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:26.000
<v Speaker 2>after it through the woods THAT i was listening to,

1031
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:29.599
<v Speaker 2>say why he comes comes back into the. TENT i

1032
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:31.400
<v Speaker 2>asked him about it and tell me what, happened AND i,

1033
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.800
<v Speaker 2>said you, know, look please don't do that. Anymore don't

1034
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 2>chase the bigfoot because you might catch him and you

1035
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.400
<v Speaker 2>don't want to do. That but that was there At

1036
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Bumping lake and that was probably again didn't see. It

1037
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:48.960
<v Speaker 2>but what was curious to me is where this was going.

1038
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.719
<v Speaker 2>On back in the. Woods The Game department had left

1039
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.119
<v Speaker 2>a bear trap back in, There so it made me

1040
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.760
<v Speaker 2>wonder if someone had had big foot encounters and they

1041
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.440
<v Speaker 2>said it was a, bear Because i've never seen beer in.

1042
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.039
<v Speaker 2>There i've seen mountain lion in, there but never ever

1043
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:06.639
<v Speaker 2>HAVE i seen a bear or any sign of a

1044
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.119
<v Speaker 2>bear in. There so the fact that The Game department

1045
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.440
<v Speaker 2>had a bearcage set up right in that area was

1046
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:12.519
<v Speaker 2>a little curious to.

1047
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Me, yeah that's very, suspect ESPECIALLY i mean. Listeners probably

1048
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.119
<v Speaker 1>now The Bumping lake area has had so, much so

1049
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 1>many things happen over the. Years you can go on,

1050
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:28.039
<v Speaker 1>YouTube there's so many different bigfoot videos and documentaries that

1051
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:33.639
<v Speaker 1>have been made. Recently so your son went on when

1052
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.599
<v Speaker 1>chasing after the? Bigfoot did he? Did he get a

1053
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:38.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty good look at it then while he's chasing after.

1054
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:42.039
<v Speaker 2>It, no all he could see was he could see

1055
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:44.119
<v Speaker 2>like the back of it before you, know we go

1056
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.079
<v Speaker 2>through the brush and the tree limbit move out in

1057
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 2>front of, it and then you know how there swings

1058
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:51.920
<v Speaker 2>back behind when you pass. It he, said you could

1059
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.280
<v Speaker 2>just see something as it then swung. Back he could

1060
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.119
<v Speaker 2>just see this this object moving.

1061
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Away that is so as like the gutsiest Thing i've ever.

1062
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Heard my, GOODNESS i can't imagine. That, so, like if you,

1063
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:09.559
<v Speaker 1>now this is Where i'm. NOT i, mean this is

1064
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:11.639
<v Speaker 1>going to be a shocker. Surprise But i'm not really an.

1065
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Outdoorsman so if you, Were let's, say if you were

1066
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to chase a, bear what would?

1067
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Happen ordinarily they'll run away from.

1068
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:27.039
<v Speaker 1>You oh, okay all, Right, yeah the.

1069
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Bears are are pretty shy and pretty easy to spook.

1070
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:35.440
<v Speaker 2>OFF i wanted to tell you something else about, bumping, like,

1071
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:38.519
<v Speaker 2>yeah which? One AND i had really an interesting one up.

1072
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:42.320
<v Speaker 2>There we had gone up or just three years. Ago,

1073
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.039
<v Speaker 2>now we just wanted to get away from from, town go, camping,

1074
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 2>somewhere and so let's go up to Bumping. Mike it's

1075
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.920
<v Speaker 2>always been nice up. There so we get there and

1076
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:54.639
<v Speaker 2>this area that we used to camp at WHEN i

1077
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:57.559
<v Speaker 2>hunted has all changed and now it's all for horse.

1078
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Camping so they have kind of these these elevated pads

1079
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:06.000
<v Speaker 2>all over for horse. Traders and THEN i mean there's

1080
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 2>no toilets in the running water or anything like that in.

1081
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:11.960
<v Speaker 2>There but it's really predominantly a horse. Camp so we

1082
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 2>get in. There there's nobody. There we set up our. Tent,

1083
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 2>anyway we can't have a. Campfire that's. Fine we got

1084
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.440
<v Speaker 2>a lantern we put on on the picnic, table and,

1085
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:22.079
<v Speaker 2>yeah we're just kind of having a nice time just

1086
01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:26.960
<v Speaker 2>being together away from the hustle and, bustle and gets

1087
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.480
<v Speaker 2>on TO i don't, know, midnight maybe a little, laughter

1088
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.920
<v Speaker 2>AND i decided it's time for me to go to.

1089
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.679
<v Speaker 2>Bed so the ground is we can't have a. Campfire

1090
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.159
<v Speaker 2>the ground everything is just so terribly. Dry. Geez when

1091
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:39.920
<v Speaker 2>you put your foot, down there was a puff of

1092
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:41.920
<v Speaker 2>dust to go, up you, know a couple of feet

1093
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.159
<v Speaker 2>off the. Ground so we just had a lantern that

1094
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:51.880
<v Speaker 2>set out. There so there was a spot AND, i you,

1095
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.320
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i back up. There so, anyway we shut down.

1096
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Everything we go into the can go to bed about

1097
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:00.719
<v Speaker 2>four four th in the. Morn THEN i wake. Up

1098
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:02.639
<v Speaker 2>i've got to answer the call of. Nature it's still,

1099
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.119
<v Speaker 2>dark SO i go right out straight out the, tent

1100
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:11.599
<v Speaker 2>across kind of this deff dusty bit of a trail

1101
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 2>and go over to where this salal brush is AND

1102
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.760
<v Speaker 2>i do my. Business AND i come back into the

1103
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:23.639
<v Speaker 2>tent And i'm standing there And i'm trying to debate

1104
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and debating WHETHER i want to go back to, bed

1105
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:26.639
<v Speaker 2>If i'm going to be able to get any more,

1106
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:28.360
<v Speaker 2>sleep or AM i just going to get dressed and stay?

1107
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Up and my son WICH, I he, said what are you?

1108
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Doing AND i, said, WELL i Think i'm just going

1109
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:36.400
<v Speaker 2>to get dressed and stay. Up and no sooner DO

1110
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:40.239
<v Speaker 2>i say, that than right outside the, tent a great

1111
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:44.800
<v Speaker 2>horned owl goes off the. Thing you, Know i'm right

1112
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.239
<v Speaker 2>outside the tent and be looking to Other hey that's pretty,

1113
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:51.840
<v Speaker 2>cool said, hey wait a, minute there's no tree outside that.

1114
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Tent AND i wasn't don't when they're on the. Wing

1115
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.039
<v Speaker 2>so we quick like get dressed. Again back out the

1116
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 2>tent we go with flash, lights and sure, enough there's

1117
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:06.119
<v Speaker 2>no tree there and there's no. Owl but WHERE i

1118
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:10.599
<v Speaker 2>had just, urinated about five feet to the left of

1119
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:15.519
<v Speaker 2>me is a much larger wet spot in the road

1120
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:19.599
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't there when we went to, bed and that's

1121
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:23.320
<v Speaker 2>certainly not WHERE i had. Urinated but there's this huge wet.

1122
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Spot and going away from the wet spot and down

1123
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 2>through This oregon grape, STUFF i can't remember what they call,

1124
01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.840
<v Speaker 2>it here's this great big, imprints like sixteen seventeen inch

1125
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.800
<v Speaker 2>long imprints leading off AND i, know darn will they're

1126
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:40.239
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot because they go one directly in front of the,

1127
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 2>other you, know their tracks are typically. Inline and it

1128
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:45.519
<v Speaker 2>went one in front of the other right down over the,

1129
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.199
<v Speaker 2>hill through this death and down into the area where

1130
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:52.480
<v Speaker 2>there was an airhorse camp down. Below so that to

1131
01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:54.559
<v Speaker 2>this day that cracks us up to talk about, that

1132
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:58.559
<v Speaker 2>about the owl that wasn't an owl and the huge wet.

1133
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Spot it was kind of, like you, KNOW i, LIKE

1134
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:03.559
<v Speaker 2>i went out and marked my territory in this head

1135
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:06.840
<v Speaker 2>had to come out in remarkets. Territory it was just

1136
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:07.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of.

1137
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Humorous it's extremely extremely. Interesting it's ANOTHER i, mean there's

1138
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:18.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things from from that account where you

1139
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:21.039
<v Speaker 1>hear bits and pieces and and. Others you hear the,

1140
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:26.800
<v Speaker 1>owl but also the wet spot that that is that

1141
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:31.400
<v Speaker 1>is very cool as. Well IT'S i love how you're

1142
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:36.000
<v Speaker 1>able to have some really cool experiences with your son in.

1143
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.559
<v Speaker 1>That it sounds like he was kind of into it as,

1144
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:41.000
<v Speaker 1>well but you're at least able to get out there

1145
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and and enjoy. It the The Bumping lake, area you,

1146
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:49.000
<v Speaker 1>know it's it's you're going a little bit south. There

1147
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:55.559
<v Speaker 1>and did you ever do anything down In Schamania? County?

1148
01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:57.119
<v Speaker 2>No, NO i.

1149
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Haven't, okay Gotcha and has all your research and the

1150
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.199
<v Speaker 1>things you've been involved with just have they been In

1151
01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.760
<v Speaker 1>washington or have you done other states as? Well?

1152
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah Only washington.

1153
01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Being involved With Bumping, lake it is relatively close to

1154
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:26.399
<v Speaker 1>some other. Areas did you ever do have you ever

1155
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:31.520
<v Speaker 1>done anything in The packwood Or randall Or mountaineer? Area?

1156
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:39.239
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i participated in A bfro expedition In packwood and

1157
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:43.600
<v Speaker 2>actually that was my first. One Kirk brandenberg had invited

1158
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:46.359
<v Speaker 2>me to come on that and that was kind of

1159
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.399
<v Speaker 2>my get introduced and see IF i like them and

1160
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:51.920
<v Speaker 2>they liked. Me kind of a, trip and it was.

1161
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Interesting the second, day people were still coming in for

1162
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:04.000
<v Speaker 2>anticipate and a police officer off duty and his wife

1163
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:07.760
<v Speaker 2>were driving in and he had a bigfoot across the

1164
01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:10.720
<v Speaker 2>road in front of, him and when it came across

1165
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:13.359
<v Speaker 2>from the up hill, side crossed in front and dropped

1166
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:16.760
<v Speaker 2>off the downhill. Side he said it had reached up

1167
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and grabbed this limb and kind of swung itself over

1168
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:25.039
<v Speaker 2>the side of the road and him. Down so we

1169
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:28.680
<v Speaker 2>did a recreation of, that and we got this this

1170
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:33.800
<v Speaker 2>guy to go with. Us and so it turns out

1171
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:38.560
<v Speaker 2>THAT i can't remember who it. Was it Wasn't kirk

1172
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:40.760
<v Speaker 2>and had Been. John somebody went back and beat the

1173
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.119
<v Speaker 2>breast for a little ways back along the route of

1174
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.960
<v Speaker 2>things supposedly came, from and they came through this this alder,

1175
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:50.840
<v Speaker 2>thicket and you, know there's order been great and you,

1176
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:53.319
<v Speaker 2>know on the ground there and so they were able

1177
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:55.600
<v Speaker 2>to see where this thing had, wants but there wasn't anything.

1178
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Definable and then of course we were trying to measure

1179
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:00.479
<v Speaker 2>to see how tall this thing, was and the only

1180
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.199
<v Speaker 2>thing we really had as a measuring point was this

1181
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:06.479
<v Speaker 2>limb that it had reached up and grabbed onto to

1182
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:10.600
<v Speaker 2>swing off the. Road and at the point where the

1183
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.840
<v Speaker 2>witness said it had reached up and grabbed this, thing

1184
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:17.279
<v Speaker 2>this limb that was like eleven feet off the, ground

1185
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:21.239
<v Speaker 2>so they knew it was well beyond human dimensions to

1186
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.640
<v Speaker 2>be able to reach up to that eleven foot off

1187
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:26.720
<v Speaker 2>the ground and grab this limb and swing and and

1188
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:32.680
<v Speaker 2>really the witnesses response and reaction to, this you, know

1189
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:36.239
<v Speaker 2>all night. LONG i, mean here's the guy who's a police.

1190
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:40.720
<v Speaker 2>OFFICER i suspect he's faced some, hardened you, know bad

1191
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.239
<v Speaker 2>guys from time to, time and but he wouldn't leave

1192
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:47.640
<v Speaker 2>the wouldn't leave the, campground wouldn't leave the, campfire and

1193
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:50.560
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't even turn his back to the. Woods he

1194
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:55.760
<v Speaker 2>had to keep rotating around like he. Was he was quite.

1195
01:10:55.840 --> 01:11:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Terrified his response WAS i, thought very, genuine and it

1196
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.600
<v Speaker 2>was one of the few TIMES i think on an

1197
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:08.640
<v Speaker 2>expedition THAT i saw someone had a valid.

1198
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Experience what a what a first first, Expedition what a

1199
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.800
<v Speaker 1>way to start that. Out that's very very, Cool. ROB

1200
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.920
<v Speaker 1>i just wanted to say thank you so. MUCH i

1201
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.960
<v Speaker 1>do you, know we'll throw one more out. There this

1202
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:29.600
<v Speaker 1>has just been such an incredible. Conversation you are wealth and,

1203
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:33.720
<v Speaker 1>knowledge and we've gone a lot of different places in

1204
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the state Of washington in this. Interview BUT i do

1205
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:40.359
<v Speaker 1>want to ask your initial Mount sigh, encounter when you

1206
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:43.479
<v Speaker 1>had that visual and it was behind the, stump do

1207
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:46.760
<v Speaker 1>you think that's the best look that you've ever gotten

1208
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.119
<v Speaker 1>at a bigfoot over the? Years?

1209
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, ABSOLUTELY i mean it was broad. Daylight, yeah absolutely.

1210
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Awesome and, YEAH i guess we'll end with. This spending

1211
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:03.920
<v Speaker 1>so many, years you, know looking into the, subject and you,

1212
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:07.520
<v Speaker 1>know talking to people and going on, expeditions et, cetera

1213
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:12.239
<v Speaker 1>have you come to a realization about what you think

1214
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:17.600
<v Speaker 1>these creatures can be classified as or is it something

1215
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.079
<v Speaker 1>you're still trying to figure out.

1216
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Yourself you, KNOW i tend to go back and forth

1217
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.039
<v Speaker 2>on that a little. Bit you, know at one TIME

1218
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:32.560
<v Speaker 2>i was firmly in The gigantopithecus. Camp but in the

1219
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 2>ensuing years there's been discoveries. Made if you want to

1220
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:42.479
<v Speaker 2>look into, it look Up Professor Lee berger in his

1221
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:48.159
<v Speaker 2>findings Of Australia pithecus sediba and what is the latest,

1222
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:57.680
<v Speaker 2>One homo no, LETTY i look for an origin for,

1223
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:03.600
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot and you, KNOW i don't hold with extraterrestrial kind of.

1224
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Stuff BUT i look for where in the human line

1225
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:13.680
<v Speaker 2>or in the hammeted line could bigfoot have split off

1226
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:18.479
<v Speaker 2>and evolved separately and. Differently and it wasn't UNTIL i,

1227
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Mean i've looked at tons of research and archaeological reports

1228
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and what have. You And Lee burger has in the

1229
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.439
<v Speaker 2>past few years convinced me without intending to convince, me

1230
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:37.119
<v Speaker 2>but he has convinced me that this goes back alongside of,

1231
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:40.760
<v Speaker 2>us back to when we had finally decided to stop

1232
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:45.560
<v Speaker 2>swinging in the trees and became ground. Dwelling there are

1233
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:51.840
<v Speaker 2>fossil indications of you, know Doctor Jeff meldrum makes an

1234
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:55.439
<v Speaker 2>awful lot about the, footprint and he talks about this

1235
01:13:55.439 --> 01:14:00.159
<v Speaker 2>this calcutaneous bone in the heel which dictates how all

1236
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the foot of the big foot rotates and and where

1237
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the flection point is on this, Well australopithecus, sediba discovered

1238
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:17.680
<v Speaker 2>By Lee berger just a few years, back has that

1239
01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:24.560
<v Speaker 2>same calcutaneous bone that Doctor meldrum talks. About so is

1240
01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:29.319
<v Speaker 2>it a direct ancestor relation To? BIGFOOT i don't, Know

1241
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:34.079
<v Speaker 2>but here now we have fossil evidence that shows linkage

1242
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:39.239
<v Speaker 2>between then and. Them and now and them, uh and

1243
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Then homo ne leetti is more recent find and that

1244
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:45.119
<v Speaker 2>was just he just got that class found In class

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01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:47.479
<v Speaker 2>bied a couple of years, ago found in the same,

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<v Speaker 2>cave much more human looking. Characteristics now granted they were

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<v Speaker 2>they were, small you, know four and a half five feet,

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<v Speaker 2>tall but so was everything in those. Days we know

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<v Speaker 2>and can sign physically proved That gigantopithecus is not surviving

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<v Speaker 2>to this. Day it could not possibly have because of

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<v Speaker 2>the bamboo die offs and it was a specialized. Beater

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<v Speaker 2>BUT i look to those kind of, discoveries and those

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<v Speaker 2>two in, particular as being relevant to what we're seeing,

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<v Speaker 2>today and maybe why we see so many is that

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<v Speaker 2>they they thrive around. Us they actually seek us out

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<v Speaker 2>for a direction for what we leave behind that they can.

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<v Speaker 2>Use that's my thoughts on.

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<v Speaker 1>It that's really. Interesting it's a part of the Subject

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<v Speaker 1>i'm not extremely familiar, with but just looking up photos

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<v Speaker 1>of a sideba and you're looking at artists, recreations it

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<v Speaker 1>does have some definite similarities to what you hear from

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<v Speaker 1>from witness. Accounts so that's very. Cool it might be

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<v Speaker 1>Something i'll look a little bit more, into But, ROBIN

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<v Speaker 1>i just want to say thank you for coming on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Show do you prefer to be an individual that kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>WELL i guess you have already said. It you prefer

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the. Background but, YEAH i guess.

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<v Speaker 2>If somebody somebody has questions that they want help with

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<v Speaker 2>and they THINK i can, help on board and willing

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That, okay very. Good is that a thing where we

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<v Speaker 1>can share your email or just if someone reaches out type?

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<v Speaker 2>Deal, yeah email would be, Fine, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay SO i can put that in the show. Notes, yes, okay, Perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob it's been a pleasure chatting with, you and thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for sharing different experiences that you've had and that

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<v Speaker 1>you've been involved with throughout your life regarding, this and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll definitely be in. Touch but thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Today oh you're very. Welcome evan joined it.

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<v Speaker 1>TOO i just want to take a few minutes to

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<v Speaker 1>say thank you to you all my listeners for listening

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<v Speaker 1>or know someone who, has please reach out to me

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<v Speaker 1>At Bigfoot society at gmail dot com or pass on my.

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