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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever pictured what a truly sustainable energy future

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<v Speaker 2>might look like, chances are space based solar power or

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<v Speaker 2>SBSP was part of that picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely, It's this ultimate high tech vision, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>These gigantic solar arrays up in orbit, way above the clouds,

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<v Speaker 3>soaking up sunshine twenty four seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Unlimited sunshine, no night, no clouds, just pure energy beamed

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<v Speaker 2>back down to Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is seen as a kind of holy grail

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<v Speaker 3>for clean energy. I mean, think about it. Solar power

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<v Speaker 3>down here on the ground is always dealing with nighttime,

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<v Speaker 3>bad weather, the atmosphere, scattering light. It all cuts down efficiency.

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<v Speaker 3>But a satellite parked in geostationary orbit GEO that's bathed

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<v Speaker 3>in intense sunlight constantly, it could provide reliable base load

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<v Speaker 3>power day.

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<v Speaker 2>In day out, and you know, this isn't just science

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<v Speaker 2>fiction anymore. It's moving towards reality pretty fast. We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>some big steps lately, definitely like the Celtics based Solar

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<v Speaker 2>Power Project, the SSPP demo that really showed it's possible

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally to send usable power wirelessly from orbit down to

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<v Speaker 2>a receiver on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a huge proof of concept. And it's not

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<v Speaker 3>just Caltech. There are pilot projects bubbling up elsewhere too, China,

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<v Speaker 3>the UK, Japan, They're all looking seriously at this.

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<v Speaker 2>So the whole conversation has shifted, hasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It Exactly the basic physics they work. The question isn't

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<v Speaker 3>really if we can do it anymore. It's more like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>how much power can we actually realistically deliver, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>considering the costs, the logistics, which brings.

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<v Speaker 2>Us perfectly to the analysis we're looking at today. We're

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<v Speaker 2>diving into this really interesting new paper it's in acta

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<v Speaker 2>astronautica by some Italian and German researchers, right, and.

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<v Speaker 3>They set out to do something specific, calculate the absolute

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<v Speaker 3>maximum potential power you could get from a whole constellation

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<v Speaker 3>of these SBSP satellites up in geo designed purely for energy.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's fascinating, what really caught my eye is how

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<v Speaker 2>their findings kind of flipped the script on what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought the main problems would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the core of it. For decades, I think

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<v Speaker 3>most people, even engineers, assumed the big hurdles would be,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, up their technical stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Like dodging space junk, or just the challenge of building

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<v Speaker 2>these enormous structures in zero G.

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<v Speaker 3>Or the efficiency of the power beaming itself getting microwaves

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<v Speaker 3>through the atmosphere without losing too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's unpack this study because it challenges all that.

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<v Speaker 2>The researchers basically argue the biggest roadblocks aren't technical or

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<v Speaker 2>even orbital. No, they're down here logistical, geographical, ground based problems.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually call it the grounding reality of space power.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the crux of it. Yeah. They modeled the whole

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<v Speaker 3>thing systematically, looking at four different scenarios. They started with

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<v Speaker 3>just pure space, very theoretical, and then layered in more

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<v Speaker 3>and more real world limits.

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<v Speaker 2>So our plan here is to follow their steps, go

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<v Speaker 2>through these scenarios one by one and really understand why

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<v Speaker 2>the ceiling for space solar power seems to be set

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<v Speaker 2>by things like land use and electrical grids, not rocket

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<v Speaker 2>science exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It turns out the real bottleneck forces us to look

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<v Speaker 3>down at the Earth, not up at the stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's start at the beginning. Then, how do they

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<v Speaker 2>set up this calculation?

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<v Speaker 3>The methodology, so the goal was precise, they weren't after

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<v Speaker 3>a vague guess. They wanted the maximum possible power delivered

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<v Speaker 3>by a fleet of SBSP satellites in geostationary orbit and.

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<v Speaker 2>GEO Just a quick reminder for you listening, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>orbit about thirty six thousand kilometers up. Satellites there orbit

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<v Speaker 2>of the same speed the Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Turns, meaning they appear fixed over one spot on the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>which is if you want to beam power down continuously

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<v Speaker 3>to the same receiver.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>So their whole calculation really boiled down to two main questions,

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<v Speaker 3>which kind of gives us a roadmap. First, how many

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<v Speaker 3>satellites can you physically fit into that GEO ring given

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<v Speaker 3>the rules of the road up.

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<v Speaker 2>There, okay, the physical space available.

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<v Speaker 3>And second, for each of those satellites, how much power

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<v Speaker 3>can actually make it down and get fed into our

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<v Speaker 3>existing electrical grids? Considering all the losses along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So, starting with that first question, how many satellites fit,

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<v Speaker 2>they needed some kind of rule for spacing them.

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<v Speaker 3>Out exactly, and they applied one single consistent constraint across

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<v Speaker 3>all their orbital scenarios, the minimum distance angle or MDA.

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<v Speaker 2>MDA minimum distance angle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the smallest angular gap you need between any

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<v Speaker 3>two satellites in GEO. It's there for two main reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>One is obvious to stop them physically crashing into each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely want to avoid that.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe even more critical for these high power systems,

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<v Speaker 3>it's about preventing radio frequency interference. You can't have these

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<v Speaker 3>massive microway power beams crossing or messing with each other

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<v Speaker 3>or with existing communication satellite signal.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, so it's not just about collisions, is about

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<v Speaker 2>signal integrity too. What angle did they actually use?

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<v Speaker 3>They use point one degrees, which you know sounds incredibly small, KINI,

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<v Speaker 3>But when you're talking about the scale of GEO thirty

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<v Speaker 3>six thousand kilometers out, that translates into a huge amount

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<v Speaker 3>of physical distance.

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<v Speaker 2>How much space are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they noted point one degrees is actually pretty conservative.

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<v Speaker 3>It gives a decent buffer at that altitude. Point one

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<v Speaker 3>degrees gives each satellite what they call an aperture range,

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<v Speaker 3>basically a guaranteed clear zone of one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 3>seven kilometers.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, one hundred and forty seven kilometers for each satellite.

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<v Speaker 2>That's enormous. Yeah, how big are these post satellites meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be?

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<v Speaker 3>Current designs are often talking maybe what two to five

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<v Speaker 3>kilometers across for the solar rays somewhere in that ballpark.

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<v Speaker 2>So the required clear space is like thirty times bigger

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<v Speaker 2>than the satellite itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Easily. That one hundred and forty seven kilometers accounts for

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<v Speaker 3>all sorts of things, potential drifting of the beam, small

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<v Speaker 3>navigation errors, making sure heat plumes don't interfere, room to

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<v Speaker 3>maneuver if needed. It's all about safe operations based on

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<v Speaker 3>let's say, cautious regulations.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this MDA, this point one degree rule, giving

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and forty seven kilometers of space, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental starting point for figuring out how many could theoretically

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<v Speaker 2>fit up there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the baseline physical and regulatory constraint for the space

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So with that point one degree rule established,

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<v Speaker 2>let's look at their first couple of scenarios. These focus

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<v Speaker 2>just on the orbital capacity itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Fare Yeah, scenario one is pure theory, the absolute simplest calculation.

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<v Speaker 3>You just take the full three hundred and sixty degrees

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<v Speaker 3>of the GEO circle and divide it by that point

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<v Speaker 3>one degree minimum separation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, simple division.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the number the math gives you, three thousand, six hundred. Theoretically,

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<v Speaker 3>you could fit three thousand, six hundred SBSP satellites into

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<v Speaker 2>Three thousand, six hundred. That's that's a lot of power stations.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the absolute ceiling, assuming you could pack them in

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<v Speaker 2>right next to each other with just that minimum clearance.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a huge number. Yeah, it represents the sort of

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<v Speaker 3>raw capacity of that orbital shell itself.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course space isn't empty, especially not GEO exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>GEO is prime real estate. It's already got tons of satellites, communications,

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<v Speaker 3>whether military, they've been launching stuff up there for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>So that brings us to scenario two. They had to

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<v Speaker 2>account for the existing traffic.

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<v Speaker 3>I assume precisely scenario two models, putting these new SBSP

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<v Speaker 3>units into the gaps around all the existing satellites already

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<v Speaker 3>operating in GEO, still.

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<v Speaker 2>Using the same point one degree spacing rule.

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<v Speaker 3>Still using the same point one degree MDA clearance from

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<v Speaker 3>any neighbor, whether it's another SBSP station or an existing

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<v Speaker 3>COMM satellite. You have to play nice with everyone already there, right, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make a big difference? How much does the

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<v Speaker 2>number drop?

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<v Speaker 3>It makes a significant difference, as you'd expect. Accounting for

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<v Speaker 3>that existing orbital congestion. The total potential number of SPSP

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<v Speaker 3>SEVE satellites falls from three thousand, six hundred down to

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand, five hundred and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so a drop of nearly eleven hundred potential spots

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<v Speaker 2>just lost to existing traffic.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Almost a third of the theoretical capacity is

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<v Speaker 3>already in effect occupied or blocked.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, twenty five hundred and nine is a very substantial number.

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<v Speaker 2>If that was the end of the story, If orbital

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<v Speaker 2>slots were the only real constraint.

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<v Speaker 3>Then yeah, the focus would just be on launch cause, manufacturing, deployment, speed,

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of thing. How do we fill those twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred slots sufficiently.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is where the study takes that turn. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where it gets really interesting because the focus

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<v Speaker 2>shifts completely down to Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, if space was the only limit, we'd be talking

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<v Speaker 3>about two thy five hundred and nine stations. But the

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<v Speaker 3>researchers then start layering on the terrestrial realities, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is where we see that the Earth's own limitations, not

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<v Speaker 3>orbital physics, are really what dictate the final number.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's move to scenario three. What's the first big

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<v Speaker 2>ground based problem they introduce.

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<v Speaker 3>Scenario three brings in the absolute necessity of the ground station,

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<v Speaker 3>the receiver. It's usually called a.

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<v Speaker 2>Rectenna, rectenna, rectifier and antenna combined.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, it's this huge facility on the ground that has

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<v Speaker 3>to capture the microwave power being coming down from space

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<v Speaker 3>and convert it back into usable electricity for the grid.

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<v Speaker 3>Without a rectennas site, the satellite is useless, just orbiting hardware.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are tennas. They have to be pretty enormous,

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<v Speaker 2>don't they to catch that beam efficiently?

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<v Speaker 3>Massive, which leads directly to the first set of major

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<v Speaker 3>geographical constraints the authors applied. They identified three big ones

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<v Speaker 3>dictating where you could even possibly put one of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what are they?

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<v Speaker 3>Constraint number one is pretty straightforward. For now, rectennas have

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<v Speaker 3>to be built on land, not over the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, That immediately rules out what seventy percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>planet's surface.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much a huge limitation, especially since many optimal orbital

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<v Speaker 3>slots might be over the Pacific or Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. What's constraint too?

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<v Speaker 3>Constraint too relates to the basic geometry of geo since

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<v Speaker 3>those satellite are parked directly above the equator.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, they have to be received near the equator too.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much. Yeah, there's a limit to how far north

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<v Speaker 3>or south you can realistically place the rectenna. The study

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<v Speaker 3>constrained placement to within thirty degrees of the equator latitude

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<v Speaker 3>thirty north to latitude thirty south.

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<v Speaker 2>Why that specific limit. What happens if you go further away,

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<v Speaker 2>say to forty or fifty degrees latitude, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>The geometry gets difficult. From a satellite directly over the equator,

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<v Speaker 2>Which ties it to the third constraint. I'm guessing land

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<v Speaker 3>Constraint three size and land use. The further your rectenna

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<v Speaker 2>And it has to be accessible near the equator, not

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you need huge plots of suitable real estate us.

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<v Speaker 2>Putting those three things together, needs to be on land,

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<v Speaker 2>much did that reduce the number of possible stations from

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty five hundred and nine we had in scenario two?

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<v Speaker 3>This is where the numbers really start to fall. Applying

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, from two thousand, five hundred and nine down to

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<v Speaker 2>a one thousand, seven hundred and seventy one. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It proves pretty starkly that finding the right spot

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<v Speaker 2>It really reframes the problem, doesn't it. It becomes less

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<v Speaker 2>about space engineering and more about like global real estate

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<v Speaker 2>and land management policy, finding one thousand, seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>It's a massive geopolitical and logistical challenge. And incredibly, that's

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<v Speaker 2>That's another level Scenario four.

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<v Speaker 3>Scenario four introduces what turns out to be the most

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<v Speaker 3>restrictive constraint of all, and maybe the most insightful one,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the bottleneck caused by existing electrical infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, So finding the perfect huge equatorial plot of

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely you need the infrastructure of the high capacity substation, the

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<v Speaker 3>heavy duty transmission lines, the distribution networks capable of handling

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, massive influx of power. We're talking gigawatt scale

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just plug a power plant's output into local

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood power lines. It would blow the system exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It would overload everything instantly. So the challenge for the

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<v Speaker 3>researchers was how do you measure or estimate where that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of heavy duty grid infrastructure already exists. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>Globally, so they needed some kind of stand in a proxy.

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<v Speaker 3>They did. They used a really clever, the quite restrictive proxymetric.

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<v Speaker 3>They decided to limit potential rectenna locations only to areas

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<v Speaker 3>that already have a significant level of human development measured

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<v Speaker 3>by population density.

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<v Speaker 2>Population density as a proxy for grid capacity. What density

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<v Speaker 2>level did they use?

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<v Speaker 3>They set the threshold at three thousand people per square.

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<v Speaker 2>Kilometer three thousand people per square kilomber, So that excludes

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<v Speaker 2>like most rural areas, even if they were geographically perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>It excludes huge swaths of l and yes, the thinking

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty logical. Though an area with that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>density thing maybe dense suburbs, the edges of large cities

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<v Speaker 3>may be very intensely farmed areas is highly likely to

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<v Speaker 3>already have the kind of sophisticated high capacity electrical grid.

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<v Speaker 2>Needed because serving that many people already requires significant power

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure investment over decade.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the rationale. They basically assumed that you wouldn't build

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<v Speaker 3>the massive grid upgrades needed just for an SBST station.

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<v Speaker 3>The power has to land where a robust grid already

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<v Speaker 3>exists or is very nearby. If the density is lower,

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<v Speaker 3>the local grid is probably too weak to handle a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a major constraint. So when they apply that

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<v Speaker 2>rule only placing rectennas in areas with three thousand plus

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<v Speaker 2>people per square kilometer on top of all the previous

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<v Speaker 2>orbital and geographical limits, what happened to the number.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where the number collapses. The final most restricted

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<v Speaker 3>count of potential fully viable SBSP stations. Considering all the

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<v Speaker 3>constraints orbital traffic, geography, land use, and grewed readiness, it

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<v Speaker 3>drops to just three hundred and sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>Four Wow, three hundred and sixty four from one thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred and seventy one down to three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four, a huge drops. That's an almost ninety percent

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<v Speaker 2>reduction from the original theoretical maximum of three thousand, six

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<v Speaker 3>Scenario one, it is eighty nine point nine percent reduction.

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<v Speaker 3>To be precise, the orbit could hold thousands, but Earth's

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<v Speaker 3>current infrastructure using their proxy, can only really support receiving

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<v Speaker 3>power at three hundred and sixty four locations, so.

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<v Speaker 2>The conclusion seems pretty unavoidable. Then, the ultimate limit on

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<v Speaker 2>SBSP capacity, at least based on this analysis, isn't set

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<v Speaker 2>by space. It's set by the ground, specifically by where

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<v Speaker 2>we've already built dense populations in high capacity power grids.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the core finding the bottleneck isn't rocket science, it's

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<v Speaker 3>city planning and electrical engineering essentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we have the final most constrained number three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty four potential stations Now, what about the

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<v Speaker 2>second part of their calculation? How much power could this

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<v Speaker 2>constellation actually deliver?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, so, first they had to estimate how much power

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<v Speaker 3>each station could collect in space before you account for

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<v Speaker 3>all the losses getting it down here.

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<v Speaker 2>What assumptions did they make for that?

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<v Speaker 3>They used a few key variables based on plausible near

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<v Speaker 3>term technology. They looked at the solar panel area, the

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty constant in GEO, and the solar irradiance of that.

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<v Speaker 2>How big did they assume the solar panels would be.

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<v Speaker 3>They assumed a very substantial area ten square kilometers per satellite.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten square kilometers that's hard even picture what's that equivalent to.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see, it's roughly fourteen hundred standard football fields, or

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<v Speaker 3>think about the entire area of a major international airport complex.

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<v Speaker 3>It's truly enormous.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, massive scale. And the efficiency.

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<v Speaker 3>They assumed a twenty percent conversion efficiency for the solar

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<v Speaker 3>cells themselves, which is pretty reasonable, maybe even a bit

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<v Speaker 3>conservative for future tech, but achievable now.

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<v Speaker 2>So ten square kilometers of panels at twenty percent efficiency

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<v Speaker 2>in constant GEO sunlight, which power does that collect per station?

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<v Speaker 3>The number is staggering. Two hundred and seventy two gigawatts

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<v Speaker 3>generated in orbit per station.

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<v Speaker 2>Two hundred and seventy two gigawatts. Yeah, each, If you

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<v Speaker 3>Down exactly, if all three hundred and sixty four stations

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<v Speaker 3>collected that, you're talking almost one hundred thousand gigawatts collected

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<v Speaker 3>in space. World energy solved, right, But here come the losses.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the big question mark. Isn't it converting that

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<v Speaker 2>DC power to microwaves, beaming it thirty six thousand kilometers,

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<v Speaker 2>get through the atmosphere, catching it, converting it back to AC.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the critical step and honestly the point where

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<v Speaker 3>the authors applied really extreme conservatism.

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<v Speaker 2>How much did they estimate would actually get delivered to

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<v Speaker 2>the grid out of that two hundred and seventy two

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<v Speaker 2>gw collected.

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<v Speaker 3>Their final estimate for power delivered to the grid per

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<v Speaker 3>station was just one giglewyy.

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<v Speaker 2>One one gigawatt delivered from two hundred and seventy two

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<v Speaker 2>gigawats collected. Yes, that's an overall efficiency of what less

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<v Speaker 2>than half a percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Round point three percent or put point three seven percent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's an incredibly low number. It implies absolutely massive losses

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<v Speaker 3>in the conversion beaming atmosphere transit and rectena conversion process.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems almost unrealistically pessimistic. Does the paper justify that

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<v Speaker 2>huge loss factor in detail or is it more of

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<v Speaker 2>a placeholder for we expect very large losses.

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<v Speaker 3>It's acknowledged in the source material itself that this assumption

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<v Speaker 3>is extremely conservative and lacks extensive, detailed justification. Within the paper,

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<v Speaker 3>they were effectively building in the largest possible buffer against

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<v Speaker 3>any technological optimism regarding transmission efficiency. It assumes a near

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<v Speaker 3>total loss.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, let's run with our ultra conservative number for now,

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<v Speaker 2>just to see where it leads. If you have three

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<v Speaker 3>Then the total power provided by this horse case constellation

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<v Speaker 3>is three hundred and sixty four gigawats of reliable base

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<v Speaker 3>load power.

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<v Speaker 2>Three hundred and sixty four gigawatts globally. How does that

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<v Speaker 2>compare to say, total world electricity consumption?

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<v Speaker 3>It works out to be enough to cover approximately three

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<v Speaker 3>percent of total global power usage.

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<v Speaker 2>Three percent After all that effort, one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>four massive satellites, huge ground stations. Three percent doesn't immediately

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<v Speaker 2>sound like a game changer. Why is that figure still

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<v Speaker 2>considered significant enough for companies and countries to be pouring

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<v Speaker 3>That's a fair question. The key is that it's baseload power.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not intermittent like wind or ground based solar. It's

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<v Speaker 3>three percent that's available twenty forty seven constantly, reliably, regardless

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<v Speaker 3>of weather or time of day.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh okay, So it's about the quality and reliability of

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<v Speaker 2>that power, not just the raw amount.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, in global energy markets, adding three hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 3>four gigawads of perfectly predictable, stable power is actually transformative.

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<v Speaker 3>It helps stabilize grids, reduces reliance on fluctuating sources, and

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<v Speaker 3>can displace a significant amount of fossil fuel generation used

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<v Speaker 3>for baseload.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially imagined in those equatorial regions where the rectennas would

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<v Speaker 2>be located.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, for developing nations in that equatorial band, having access

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<v Speaker 3>to even a fraction of this reliable power could be

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<v Speaker 3>So yes, three percent globally might sound small, but its

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<v Speaker 3>impact could be very strategically significant.

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<v Speaker 2>That context is crucial. Okay, So even with the most

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<v Speaker 2>pessimistic assumptions, it still seems to offer a notable benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>But we definitely need to circle back and question some of.

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<v Speaker 3>Those assumptions, right, Oh, Absolutely critical thinking is essential here,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's worth remembering the authors themselves acknowledged their bias

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<v Speaker 3>as being huge SBST.

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<v Speaker 2>Fans, right. They weren't trying to kill the dream.

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<v Speaker 3>No, quite the opposite. Their rigorous approach just led them

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<v Speaker 3>to these conservative numbers when they stuck strictly to current

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<v Speaker 3>limitations and cautious estimates. But it highlights where the potential

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<v Speaker 3>upside is, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Biggest potential upside seems to be in that transmission efficiency.

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<v Speaker 2>That jump from two hundred and seventy two gigw collected

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<v Speaker 2>down to one gigaw delivered.

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<v Speaker 3>Without a doubt, that point three to seven percent end

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<v Speaker 3>to end efficiency is the single most impactful conservative assumption.

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<v Speaker 3>If future technology, better microwave generators, more efficient rectennas, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>optimized frequencies can prove that the whole picture changes dramatically.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just play with that for a second. What if

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<v Speaker 2>instead of point three seven percent, the efficiency was say

432
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<v Speaker 2>still low, but maybe one percent. So one percent of

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and seventy two GW gets delivered.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, one percent of two hundred seventy two GW is

435
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<v Speaker 3>two point seven two DIGITW perstation.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So now you have three hundred and sixty four

437
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<v Speaker 2>stations each delivering two point seven two GW instead of

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<v Speaker 2>one GW.

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<v Speaker 3>That takes the total constellation output to just under one

440
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<v Speaker 3>thousand gigawatts three s sixty four to two point seven

441
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<v Speaker 3>two and like nine hundred and ninety g W almost

442
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<v Speaker 3>a tear a wat, Yeah, which is nearly triple their

443
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<v Speaker 3>original estimate. Suddenly you're not talking three percent of global power.

444
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<v Speaker 3>You're pushing up towards maybe eight or nine percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now that starts to sound like a global game changer.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Eight or nine percent of the world's base load power

447
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<v Speaker 2>coming reliably from space. That would reshape energy markets and

448
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<v Speaker 2>decarbonization efforts completely.

449
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<v Speaker 3>So improving that transmission efficiency is probably the single most

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<v Speaker 3>important technical challenge for making SBSP truly revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the other constraints the orbital spacing? For example,

452
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<v Speaker 2>that point one one degree MBA giving one hundred and

453
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<v Speaker 2>forty seven kilometer clearance seemed quite large.

454
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<v Speaker 3>That's another area potentially ripe for change if future autonomous

455
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<v Speaker 3>control systems, better tracking, and maybe international agreements allowed for

456
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<v Speaker 3>tighter spacing, say having that clearance safely, you could theoretically

457
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<v Speaker 3>double the number of orbital slots right away from.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Three to six hundred theoretical max to seven two hundred potentially.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, that immediately runs back into the ground constraint.

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<v Speaker 3>Could Earth actually find places for and handle the power

461
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<v Speaker 3>from thousands more rectennas, which brings us back to those

462
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<v Speaker 3>terrestrial limits.

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<v Speaker 2>Ones that caused the biggest drop from one thousand, seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy one possibilities down to just three hundred

465
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<v Speaker 2>and sixty four Mainly that population density proxy for grid.

466
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<v Speaker 3>Infrastructure exactly, we need to question how rigid that constraint

467
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<v Speaker 3>really is. Using three thousand people per square kilometer effectively

468
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<v Speaker 3>biases the whole system towards places that are already heavily developed.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Right often wealthier nations that built out their grids decades ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It implicitly assumed that a developing nation, even one perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>located near the equator, wouldn't build the necessary grid upgrades,

472
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<v Speaker 2>specifically to receive this cheaper, cleaner power.

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<v Speaker 3>From space, which seems like a questionable assumption in the

474
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<v Speaker 3>long run, doesn't it. If SBSP becomes cost effective and reliable,

475
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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't that be precisely the catalyst needed to drive new

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<v Speaker 3>infrastructure investment in those ideal locations.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd think, So, why couldn't you build a rectenna in

478
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<v Speaker 2>a less dense area, maybe farmland acquired for the purpose,

479
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<v Speaker 2>and build the necessary substation and high voltage lines alongside

480
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<v Speaker 2>it as part of the project, or.

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<v Speaker 3>Even revisit the idea of offshore rectennas, which the study

482
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<v Speaker 3>dismissed for now. If you could overcome the technical hurdles there,

483
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<v Speaker 3>it opens up vast areas, lifting that infrastructure constraint, allowing

484
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<v Speaker 3>for greenfield development driven by SBSP that.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Could potentially push the number of viable sites back up

486
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<v Speaker 2>from three hundred and sixty four, much closer to the

487
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<v Speaker 2>geographical limit of one thy seven hundred and seventy one,

488
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<v Speaker 2>or maybe even beyond if offshore becomes practical, It really could.

489
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<v Speaker 3>So what's striking is, even with all these layers of conservatism,

490
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<v Speaker 3>the huge transmission loss, the wide orbital spacing, the rigid

491
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<v Speaker 3>rules about where rectennas can go, the study still finds

492
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<v Speaker 3>SBSP could provide a significant three percent of global power.

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<v Speaker 2>Which implies the true potential if some of those ground

494
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<v Speaker 2>based bottlenecks are addressed or technology improves, is actually much

495
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<v Speaker 2>much higher.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, the study doesn't kill the potential. It just relocates

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<v Speaker 3>the main challenges. It says the potential is real, but

498
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<v Speaker 3>the current roadblocks are largely terrestrial, logistical, infrastructural, maybe political,

499
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<v Speaker 3>things that we can theoretically work on down here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just maybe investments shouldn't only focus on launch costs

501
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<v Speaker 2>in satellite tech. Maybe investing in grid upgrades and strategic

502
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<v Speaker 2>equatorial regions is just as important, maybe even more so,

503
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<v Speaker 2>to unlock sbsp's future.

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<v Speaker 3>It definitely shifts the strategic focus. You need both space

505
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<v Speaker 3>capability and ground readiness.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's try to pull this all together. We

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<v Speaker 2>started this journey looking at the possibility of thousands of

508
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<v Speaker 2>power stations orbit three thousand, six hundred theoretically.

509
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<v Speaker 3>Which dropped to about twenty five hundred once you factored

510
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<v Speaker 3>in existing satellite traffic. Still a huge number, but.

511
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<v Speaker 2>Then the constraints shifted to earth geography. The need for

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<v Speaker 2>land near the equator cut it down to around seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, the need for existing high capacity grid infrastructure approximated

515
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<v Speaker 3>by population density brought the number crashing down to just

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and sixty four viable stations in the most

517
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<v Speaker 3>conservative scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>The undeniable takeaway seems to be Earth's ability to receive

519
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<v Speaker 2>and use the power is the limiting factor right now,

520
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<v Speaker 2>much more so than our ability to put solar panels

521
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<v Speaker 2>in space.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the grounding reality, as they put it. The future

523
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<v Speaker 3>of this potentially revolutionary space technology hinges on our willingness

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<v Speaker 3>and ability to upgrade our infrastructure here on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Which really changes how we should think about planning and investment,

526
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it. If the greed in equatorial regions is the

527
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<v Speaker 2>main bottleneck, does improving that grid become a necessary first

528
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<v Speaker 2>step before we can fully utilize advanced spacetech like SBSP.

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<v Speaker 2>It ties space exploration directly to basic economic development on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fascinating link. The most advanced futuristic energy source

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<v Speaker 3>imaginable is currently held back by things as mundane as

532
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<v Speaker 3>land zoning regulations and the capacity of existing power lines.

533
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<v Speaker 2>Which leaves us with the final thought for you, the listener,

534
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<v Speaker 2>to maybe all over, if the biggest constraint on this

535
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<v Speaker 2>incredibly advanced orbital system is actually the existing infrastructure right

536
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<v Speaker 2>here on the ground, what are the ground realities, the

537
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<v Speaker 2>infrastructural limitations in your own field or area of interest.

538
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<v Speaker 2>Could existing networks, standards, or physical logistics be quietly holding

539
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<v Speaker 2>back the next big innovation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great question because sometimes, as this analysis shows,

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<v Speaker 3>the hardest part isn't figuring out how to build the

542
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<v Speaker 3>amazing new thing. It's making sure the roads, the pipes,

543
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<v Speaker 3>or the power outlets are ready for it when it arrives.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely something to think about. Thanks for exploring this with

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<v Speaker 2>us today.

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<v Speaker 3>My pleasure.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll talk to you next times.

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<v Speaker 3>SAI
