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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake brought up an issue to me which I think

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<v Speaker 2>merits us discussing it for fifteen minutes. Jake, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is Hispanics are roughly thirty percent of New York City's population,

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<v Speaker 2>yet New York City has never elected a Hispanic mayor. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>New York is elected the first Muslim. Muslims are only.

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<v Speaker 3>Nine percent of New York City's population.

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<v Speaker 2>Why haven't Hispanics been able to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it turmoil?

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<v Speaker 3>Leadership, organization?

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<v Speaker 2>Unity? Jake and I are going to have that discussion

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<v Speaker 2>now today and after that we have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Padre Alberto QT.

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<v Speaker 3>Padrio Alberto is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Great man, a great humanitarian, one of America's most recognized

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<v Speaker 2>Hispanic religious figures. For those of you who don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Pabrio Alberto was a Catholic priest, and as a Catholic priest,

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<v Speaker 2>he was caught in Miami zipping and kissing a young

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<v Speaker 2>lady from the congregation, and that became blockbuster. A Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>priest kissing a woman on the beach in South Beach

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<v Speaker 2>while he was also a Catholic priest. That's a no no,

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<v Speaker 2>But we will have him here with us, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to speaking to him as well. Jake, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get to with my man. What's going on with Hispanics?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we have a mayor? What's going on, what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on in the city.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think there's a great saying about all politics

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<v Speaker 4>being local, and I want to extend that to this

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<v Speaker 4>question about not having a Latino mayor yet, And a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of it has to do with all politics eventually

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<v Speaker 4>gets down to the individual person. So before we talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the Muslim community in general and the Latino community

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<v Speaker 4>in general, you need to take a look at this

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<v Speaker 4>particular mayor. Now, this is not someone who is your

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<v Speaker 4>run of the middle typical immigrant to New York City.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a child of very wealthy and prominent parents.

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<v Speaker 4>He had a very coddled childhood and life, and his

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<v Speaker 4>transformation from activist to politics is a very easy one,

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<v Speaker 4>very easy one didn't have to worry about making a living,

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<v Speaker 4>raising a family, doing any of those kinds of things

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<v Speaker 4>which most immigrant communities, no matter how large or how

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<v Speaker 4>long they've been in the city, have to do before

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<v Speaker 4>they can start thinking about running probus. So that's the

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<v Speaker 4>first thing, But the second thing is pretty much what

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<v Speaker 4>I was just talking about. Latinos in this city, just

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<v Speaker 4>like every other larger immigrant group, have come here with

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<v Speaker 4>the number one purpose, not necessarily to get political power

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<v Speaker 4>or to get representation, but to set up, like you,

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<v Speaker 4>a financial foothold in this city, create the opportunities that

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't have back home. And when you're doing that,

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<v Speaker 4>as you know very well, because you had your foot

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<v Speaker 4>in both of those worlds for a while, there, you

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<v Speaker 4>can measure success. I think, as tough as it is,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a more fair and honest world to measure yourself

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<v Speaker 4>in the financial world than in the political world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, listen, Jake, I ran for mayor, I ran as

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<v Speaker 2>a Republican. I won Queens, I won the Bronx, and

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<v Speaker 2>I won Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Win Staten Island. Staten Linen turned their backs on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they were looking for the person they liked

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<v Speaker 2>and not the person who could get elected. Right, so

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<v Speaker 2>they went with I don't even want to mention his

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<v Speaker 2>name because I just disliked the guy, because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>natural born loser, a liar, a perpetual liar, and has

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<v Speaker 2>lied his entire life.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But Staten Island liked his rhetoric. Right, That's what the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican base was. If stat Linan would have said, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy stands no chance.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to look at the party ahead of everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and they would have supported me. I would have with

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of Hispanics in New York, we would have

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<v Speaker 2>bought them together. Democrats Republicans didn't matter. We would have

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<v Speaker 2>bought them together to support me, and I would have

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<v Speaker 2>beat Eric Adams.

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<v Speaker 1>Well again, you know, compare this to the business world.

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<v Speaker 4>I can like a shopkeeper all I want all I

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he might be a great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>We can talk sports.

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<v Speaker 4>But if he's selling lousy items and the guy across

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<v Speaker 4>the street who doesn't talk at all is selling me

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<v Speaker 4>better stuff at a better price, I'm going to that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not how politics work. Politics are an incredibly emotional arena.

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<v Speaker 4>Whenever I hear people saying, I'm voting for so and

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<v Speaker 4>so because I've looked at all the evidence, boloney, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't get how smart you are, educated you are. We

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<v Speaker 4>make an emotional connection to candidates, just like we do

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<v Speaker 4>with dating.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very similar.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, psychologists have confirmed this very similar thought process.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know this is what I You know, and

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<v Speaker 4>I see somebody like you who's been successful in business

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<v Speaker 4>and they get into politics and suddenly it makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no rhyme or reason to this. It's all about

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<v Speaker 4>crazy emotions. You could have brought the goods instead of

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<v Speaker 4>he who should not be named. Well, Listen, people were talking,

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<v Speaker 4>but people were emotionally connected to him in Staten Island,

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<v Speaker 4>despite data that should have told them otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen the amount of votes that he got in the

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<v Speaker 2>general election. It was shameful, right, he beat me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I admitted he beat me in Staten Island, and Staten

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<v Speaker 2>Island convinced Brooklyn not to support me, so Brooklyn was divided. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he got a lot more votes than me because all

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans came out and voted for him. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I say, you know, the GOP needs new leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>They need people.

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<v Speaker 2>That understand what winning is and what the possibilities of

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<v Speaker 2>winning are.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and like in business, you know what I when.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to go out to make a sale, first

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind was I gotta get the buyer to

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<v Speaker 2>like me. If the buyer likes me, I'm freaking thirty

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<v Speaker 2>steps ahead of my competition. Why Because people make emotional

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<v Speaker 2>decisions and they do the same in business. If they

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<v Speaker 2>like you, they'll buy from you, even if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>little more expensive. Why Because they trust you. You're able

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<v Speaker 2>to push those buttons where they trust you. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that we need to elect a Hispanic mayor

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<v Speaker 2>at some at one point or another.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's a lot of Hispanic talent.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't count on me because I will not run again

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<v Speaker 2>unless the GOP comes and says, hey, hey, mateo, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna give you twenty million dollars. We're gonna deposit it

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<v Speaker 2>in your bank account, and this is the money you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna use to run. And if they do that, I

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<v Speaker 2>will consider. But I will not go out there begging

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<v Speaker 2>people because you become a beggar. When you run a campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to call everybody you know and ask them

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<v Speaker 2>for ten dollars, twenty dollars, two hundred and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like humiliating to go out there and beg people

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<v Speaker 2>to give you money so that you can get matching funds, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>in order for you to run a campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's over.

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<v Speaker 2>If the GOP wants a winner here, they're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to put up money like they do for the US Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>for the US Congress, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you touched on the other reason here, Zora Mamdanni Doar,

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<v Speaker 4>Liza Chevlee, you're gonna have on and these other Democrats socialists,

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<v Speaker 4>especially the ones like Mom Donnie, received massive amounts of

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<v Speaker 4>money from foreign donors.

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<v Speaker 1>Which, by the way, is illegal.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not allowed as a foreign entity to donate to

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<v Speaker 4>an American political campaign. But they found ways around it.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of evidence of this, and I've never

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<v Speaker 4>heard of a Latino candidate running in any office getting

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<v Speaker 4>money from back home, from a significant donor back home.

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<v Speaker 1>What never happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I if that, if what you're saying is true, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>It, I could believe it, then people should be in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Has anyone gone to jail?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's Godami gone to jail. No, it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna be very difficult. But this is the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that this Abdul Rahman El say it has.

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<v Speaker 4>Won the amount of money that came to him from

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<v Speaker 4>foreign connected money. You know, something you need to understand

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<v Speaker 4>is even when the price of oil is low, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's not you know, it's actually not very high right now,

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<v Speaker 4>it's sort of a middling price. The cash flow, the

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<v Speaker 4>daily cash flow of dollars going into the oil trade

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<v Speaker 4>is overwhelming. In other words, they're never actually going to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to say, well, I can't give you money today.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll always be able to give you money.

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<v Speaker 4>And even at the height of the Cold War, Fernando,

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<v Speaker 4>our biggest enemy, the Soviet Union, didn't have that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of cash flow, which is why they never interfered in

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<v Speaker 4>our elections in the way that these guys are doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, I have to say something.

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<v Speaker 2>I started my campaign very late in the game because

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<v Speaker 2>although I didn't know John Katz and Matias as well

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<v Speaker 2>as I know him today, I always saw him as

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<v Speaker 2>an honorable person, as probably one of the best people

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<v Speaker 2>that would actually run the city. And he was undecided

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<v Speaker 2>until like January of twenty twenty or twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>He was undecided, and I said, listen, I'm not jumping

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<v Speaker 2>in the race if Katsa Matidiz is gonna run, because

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<v Speaker 2>I want to support him, right, But he decided late

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<v Speaker 2>in the game that he wasn't gonna run then the

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<v Speaker 2>field open.

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<v Speaker 3>I announced in March, and.

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<v Speaker 2>After I announced, my good friend, who I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>my friend, Curtis Leewa, started lying through his teeth about me, right,

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<v Speaker 2>started accusing me of doing of wrongdoing, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a rat, you know, Curtis Lee, what guys is

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<v Speaker 3>a rat. He belongs in the subways.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's why he lives most of the time

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<v Speaker 2>in the subways, right, So he's one of those rats

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<v Speaker 2>that you see running around the rails. You just have

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<v Speaker 2>to put a little beanie on some of those rats

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<v Speaker 2>so that they can say, oh, that's Curtis. They're running

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<v Speaker 2>around right.

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<v Speaker 4>But let me ask you a question, because we were

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<v Speaker 4>just talking about this foreign funding. Who are the wealthiest

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<v Speaker 4>people in the Dominican Republic, for example, who are the

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<v Speaker 4>wealthiest people still living there they what's their business and

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<v Speaker 4>what's their story?

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<v Speaker 2>Listen front Jewel who just passed away. He owned all

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<v Speaker 2>the sugar cane and he owned the people natural resources. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>then you have a few families there that are very wealthy.

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<v Speaker 3>I met with a few of them.

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<v Speaker 2>They invited me to go to the Dominican Republic during

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<v Speaker 2>the primary.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what I said to them.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, no, I can't go there because I can't

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<v Speaker 2>go there unless I know I've won the primaries. And

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<v Speaker 2>if I won, If I win the primaries, then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens. Right, then we'll see what happens. But

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<v Speaker 2>I lost the I lost in the primaries. And that's why,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Eric Adams became mayor and it was very

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunate what happened to him during his four years. Because Eric,

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<v Speaker 2>believe it or not, I've known for thirty years. I

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<v Speaker 2>ran into him on Staten Island and handing out palm

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<v Speaker 2>cards in the parade out there, and he came to

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<v Speaker 2>hug me and we started talking. And as people pull

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<v Speaker 2>them away and say, hey, Eric, you can't be seen

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<v Speaker 2>next to Mattale.

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<v Speaker 3>He's running.

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<v Speaker 2>He might run against you, And Eric told them, yo, chill,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my guy. That's my guy. If he wins the primary,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have debates of substance, not debates of

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<v Speaker 2>gossip and making up stories and lies in order to win.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me just make one last point. We've had three

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<v Speaker 4>mayors of New York City who were Jewish, A beam

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<v Speaker 4>Ed Koch and Mike Bloomberg. It should be noted that

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<v Speaker 4>none of them, at any time and when they were

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<v Speaker 4>running for mayor ever presented themselves as an advocate for

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<v Speaker 4>or a spokesman for the Jewish community in New York City.

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<v Speaker 4>That is a very important part of the messaging. First

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<v Speaker 4>of all, they weren't lying, not they weren't enemies of

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<v Speaker 4>the Jewish community by any means, but they really weren't

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<v Speaker 4>there to be advocates for Jews in New York. They

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<v Speaker 4>never were, and so they were telling the truth about that.

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<v Speaker 4>So if a Latino is going to win for in

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<v Speaker 4>a mayor's election, they're gonna have to follow that same

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<v Speaker 4>pattern and basically say, listen, of course I'm concerned about

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<v Speaker 4>my own Latino community, but that's not why, primarily why

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<v Speaker 4>I'm running.

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<v Speaker 1>That has to be part of the messaging.

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<v Speaker 4>Very important to do that because otherwise it's gonna fall

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<v Speaker 4>into the same, the same kind of quicksand as we've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Before, Listen, Zoramondami ran a brilliant campaign. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take anything away from that. He organized man, he spoke well,

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<v Speaker 2>he delivered the message. He's very sharp, He's got sharp

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<v Speaker 2>people around him deliver hammering the same message over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over in his mind, and that's what makes him.

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<v Speaker 3>So so good and so likable.

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<v Speaker 1>Not gonna disagree with you, Listen, it's the money. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you. For example, in my.

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<v Speaker 4>Gym's I'm not gonna disagree with you, but the money

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<v Speaker 4>was overwhelming. The Zora and Mamdanni marcials that ran twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four to seven on the local television stations here in

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<v Speaker 4>New York make no sense based on his balance sheet

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<v Speaker 4>of his campaign, there was a tremendous amount of money

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<v Speaker 4>that has not been accounted for. I'm telling you, just

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<v Speaker 4>working out of my gym every day before the election,

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<v Speaker 4>I saw in the you know I work out usually

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<v Speaker 4>an hour and a half. I saw at least eight

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<v Speaker 4>nine or ten z'm'm Donny commercials on the screens every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake, if he did wrong, he should be investigated. Where's

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Justice?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know that's the bottom line line. But listen,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go to a commercial. And before we go

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<v Speaker 2>to commercial, I want to tell you, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you want to look like me now you

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<v Speaker 2>cut all your hair off.

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<v Speaker 1>None I've always had.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you cut all your hair off, your beard is

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<v Speaker 2>growing out, You're looking good.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. Hey, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not gonna be running as a Latino candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go for a commercial break.