WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.680
<v Speaker 1>There's this maze, and somehow these two mice and these

2
00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:05.719
<v Speaker 1>two little people find their way into it. But they're

3
00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:10.119
<v Speaker 1>not the only people in this world. Will friends and

4
00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:14.439
<v Speaker 1>neighbors into the maze and to show them they're cheese?

5
00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly when I was waiting to bring us. That

6
00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:18.760
<v Speaker 2>is a huge breakdown.

7
00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:19.879
<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

8
00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine something more unappealing business stable.

9
00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:27.679
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you would literally have to do no

10
00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:30.879
<v Speaker 1>editing to make this into a children's picture book, Like

11
00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the word count is already there.

12
00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:34.799
<v Speaker 3>Why do you have me here? Why am I here?

13
00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:37.679
<v Speaker 3>You want me to perform in this maze? What is this?

14
00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god?

15
00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:39.920
<v Speaker 4>Am I about to defend this book?

16
00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:42.479
<v Speaker 3>Hold on? Oh my god, I try to defend it.

17
00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:47.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know how you get Hello everyone, and

18
00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.560
<v Speaker 3>welcome back to me book Club. This week we read

19
00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Who Moved My Cheese? By Spencer Johnson Woo Getting the maze?

20
00:00:57.200 --> 00:00:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Where to go?

21
00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:00.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but maybe I'll explain it a lot

22
00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:02.719
<v Speaker 4>of time, a lot of times.

23
00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, this is a real this was a real fun one.

24
00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.959
<v Speaker 2>As always getting a catchphrase going for it, get in.

25
00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that is something because there's something like that

26
00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:15.239
<v Speaker 3>I should have looked it up, but there were like

27
00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:17.920
<v Speaker 3>were catchphrases that the dumb mice said, I mean, sorry,

28
00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.799
<v Speaker 3>little people, Jesus Christ will go. We'll get into it.

29
00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:23.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure if you don't know this, we're gonna but

30
00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:24.200
<v Speaker 3>well we'll help you.

31
00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:29.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we promised. It's the book. No, we have just Sarah.

32
00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:30.959
<v Speaker 3>It's it's fair to be confused.

33
00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:35.200
<v Speaker 1>But yes, there's tiny people amazed as well. It's a lot.

34
00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:38.519
<v Speaker 3>It's not we are mean book club. We read New

35
00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:43.640
<v Speaker 3>York Times bestsellers that maybe shouldn't be. We are your host,

36
00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:45.040
<v Speaker 3>as I said, I'm Sarah Burton.

37
00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:47.239
<v Speaker 2>What's up. It's Clara Morris.

38
00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:49.040
<v Speaker 1>How's it hanging?

39
00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.400
<v Speaker 4>Jonas Gravis, it's hanging real low Sopria insjored it.

40
00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:59.000
<v Speaker 3>That's where we want it. That's ideal, but you can

41
00:01:59.040 --> 00:01:59.400
<v Speaker 3>believe it.

42
00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:00.280
<v Speaker 4>We didn't plan that.

43
00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.319
<v Speaker 3>I think they I think they know. I want to

44
00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:07.640
<v Speaker 3>tell you, guys, why we're reading this book. Okay, it

45
00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:12.719
<v Speaker 3>was Patron Patty wyn Jam Okay she said this, Hi,

46
00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:16.280
<v Speaker 3>lovely ladies. Patty. Here. I've been in. I've been an

47
00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.879
<v Speaker 3>enormous fan for about six and a half years and

48
00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:22.400
<v Speaker 3>caught up on your whole back catalog. Keep up, keep

49
00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.039
<v Speaker 3>up the caddy. Good work. Note to self, We're probably

50
00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.199
<v Speaker 3>going to hide some of the back catalog, so get

51
00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:32.319
<v Speaker 3>it in. Why you can't, uh yeah, why why? Because

52
00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.719
<v Speaker 3>we're re releasing from the vault, so you have to

53
00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.439
<v Speaker 3>put it in those vault from the vault.

54
00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:41.000
<v Speaker 4>You can't just be like.

55
00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, excuse me. The vault's been opened this whole time.

56
00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:48.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, the vault.

57
00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Afraid that there was some trouble.

58
00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:55.719
<v Speaker 3>Me too, I'm so sorry. Yeah, anyway, Patty continues, I

59
00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.159
<v Speaker 3>have a book recommendation that I think is perfect for

60
00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.400
<v Speaker 3>many reasons. Who moved my First of all, it's a

61
00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:03.719
<v Speaker 3>bona fide bestseller and spend five years on the New

62
00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.199
<v Speaker 3>York Times list, so no surprise is about a non

63
00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:11.639
<v Speaker 3>be years. Yes, all of that. So yes, Also, a

64
00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:15.199
<v Speaker 3>few books have done such irreparable damage to the American psyche.

65
00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:17.840
<v Speaker 3>It's basically a pamphlet about layoffs and how any worker

66
00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.039
<v Speaker 3>who's laid off only has themselves to blame. And when

67
00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.680
<v Speaker 3>I say pamphlet, I mean it's super duper short, so

68
00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:26.759
<v Speaker 3>everyone will be happy. We were. She really knows, it's

69
00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:28.080
<v Speaker 3>really good, really good.

70
00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:29.039
<v Speaker 2>She did listen.

71
00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've never felt more heard. It's all framed around

72
00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.039
<v Speaker 3>the dumbest possible parable about a mouse who's upset that

73
00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:39.599
<v Speaker 3>their human overlord move their cheese. I would say, it's

74
00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.520
<v Speaker 3>a little off, but we'll get into it. You will

75
00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.919
<v Speaker 3>hate it. That's true. There are many actual, documented cases

76
00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:47.719
<v Speaker 3>of employers gifted gifting their works this book only to

77
00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:50.840
<v Speaker 3>immediately lay them off. This is a harbinger of destruction,

78
00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:54.159
<v Speaker 3>a moth made of books. I love the pod you ladies,

79
00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.039
<v Speaker 3>even Johnna. I will say. It does seem like Johnna

80
00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.639
<v Speaker 3>gets off on the villain, and so I was understandably

81
00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.560
<v Speaker 3>distrustful of her in the beginning. It's funny and all,

82
00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:08.080
<v Speaker 3>but I do worry. I would need to watch my

83
00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:10.759
<v Speaker 3>back if we knew each other in the real world.

84
00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:15.039
<v Speaker 3>Top for now, Patty, oh my god, Patty coming in.

85
00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.120
<v Speaker 2>And then a quick sign up.

86
00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:24.199
<v Speaker 1>I did like a brutal straight bullet takes me out

87
00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:25.439
<v Speaker 1>At the end of it.

88
00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:30.680
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't. I would say it was at I like.

89
00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:33.759
<v Speaker 2>You guys all, even Johnna when pointing the gun at.

90
00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.040
<v Speaker 1>So good, so like it's even just like it's like,

91
00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:46.319
<v Speaker 1>I like you all, goes without saying John means but

92
00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I've warmed up as best I can.

93
00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:57.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm scared of you know, I just love Sarah. Yeah

94
00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.720
<v Speaker 3>that is. I don't I don't know how this happened,

95
00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:04.040
<v Speaker 3>but I mean it has happened. I think for sure.

96
00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.160
<v Speaker 3>I just maybe I'm maybe I'm messed up, Like why

97
00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.639
<v Speaker 3>aren't I the villain? Maybe I need to step up

98
00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:12.399
<v Speaker 3>my game. I don't know.

99
00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:17.040
<v Speaker 4>You're scared that and I both loved not being the villain.

100
00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:22.480
<v Speaker 1>It's true, so obviously Sarah.

101
00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:24.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so how did you guys read this one?

102
00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:31.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh boy, I'll go first. I, first of all, really

103
00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.279
<v Speaker 4>thought that there was no world in which this would

104
00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:40.000
<v Speaker 4>not be available at the library, but it wasn't, and

105
00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:42.360
<v Speaker 4>so I had to get it on an audible, which

106
00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.079
<v Speaker 4>was a bit of a toss because the book itself

107
00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.839
<v Speaker 4>was cheaper than a credit, but I already had the credits,

108
00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:52.480
<v Speaker 4>so buying it was spending more money.

109
00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:53.560
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have done that.

110
00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.040
<v Speaker 4>So I can't even remember what I chose.

111
00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Actually, I think, I hope not the credit.

112
00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:02.680
<v Speaker 4>I think I bought it. I think I bought it,

113
00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.279
<v Speaker 4>but I did debate it. And for me, because I

114
00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.000
<v Speaker 4>bought the credit package, it was only like one dollar

115
00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.079
<v Speaker 4>cheaper than a credit, so it wasn't a big difference,

116
00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:17.319
<v Speaker 4>but I did think about it anyway. Audiobook three point

117
00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.560
<v Speaker 4>five time speed. Let me tell you, why did you

118
00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:21.040
<v Speaker 4>use it?

119
00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Because you listen to it in fifteen minutes?

120
00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.680
<v Speaker 4>Well it was. I listened to it in about twenty

121
00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.839
<v Speaker 4>five minutes. Yeah, ye, honestly it was great. On a bridge.

122
00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.279
<v Speaker 4>It is an hour and twenty nine minutes.

123
00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:39.839
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, it's the fucking shortest. It's definitely the

124
00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:41.000
<v Speaker 3>shortest thing we've ever done.

125
00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.720
<v Speaker 1>And also fifty minutes of that are an introduction and

126
00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:50.839
<v Speaker 1>afterward and end notes. Yeah, so it's actually only like

127
00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:52.920
<v Speaker 1>forty minutes of book.

128
00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's great.

129
00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that that contributed to why it was

130
00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.000
<v Speaker 2>a bestseller? People are like, well, I'm not as well.

131
00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Full well read a book in my life.

132
00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.079
<v Speaker 2>They make it a little gift.

133
00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:09.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it feels good. Oh, we'll get into it. For sure.

134
00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:10.199
<v Speaker 3>It was gift.

135
00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:13.120
<v Speaker 4>I feel like Sarah is like portraying like there's a

136
00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.639
<v Speaker 4>lot to get into, but there's a lot to get

137
00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:18.079
<v Speaker 4>it little to get into.

138
00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, she's done some research. I've memorized

139
00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.759
<v Speaker 3>is no, I haven't memorized this book, but uh, okay,

140
00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:29.000
<v Speaker 3>so that's Sabrina did. Did anybody else do aud audiobook?

141
00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.079
<v Speaker 3>How'd you guys get through?

142
00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

143
00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:32.759
<v Speaker 2>I did an audiobook and I did not even look

144
00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:34.319
<v Speaker 2>at the price. I just used a credit.

145
00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.839
<v Speaker 3>Wow, okay, you guys are I got it out of

146
00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:39.759
<v Speaker 3>the library, so big talk. I guess I requested it

147
00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.920
<v Speaker 3>in time. But I also got the summary, like I

148
00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:47.920
<v Speaker 3>didn't realize immediately I requested and I accellently requested summary

149
00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.279
<v Speaker 3>of this book. And I also got that and I

150
00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:52.079
<v Speaker 3>did not listen to it. But I was like, what

151
00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.959
<v Speaker 3>the why the fuck does this book have a summary? Book?

152
00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Like?

153
00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:00.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this book which is just four summaries of it.

154
00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Yes and yeah, over and over again, John, how did you?

155
00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:04.439
<v Speaker 3>How did you read it?

156
00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:08.720
<v Speaker 1>I spent the credit. It pained me to do so,

157
00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.680
<v Speaker 1>but I really got over confident on this one. I

158
00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:15.439
<v Speaker 1>looked at the length. I said, an hour and forty

159
00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:20.160
<v Speaker 1>five minutes, I'll do this day of this is I'll

160
00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:20.680
<v Speaker 1>be fresh?

161
00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:21.079
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

162
00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:23.879
<v Speaker 1>And we got into a panic all of a sudden.

163
00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:25.519
<v Speaker 1>It was how am I going to get this book?

164
00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:27.319
<v Speaker 3>Where this book?

165
00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Will I have time to read this book?

166
00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.199
<v Speaker 3>I d it. I bet you could find PDFs of

167
00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:34.440
<v Speaker 3>this book. I mean, I didn't d percent if anybody

168
00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.480
<v Speaker 3>had felt the need. Maybe this audible thing is really

169
00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:45.919
<v Speaker 3>detrimental to us. It's weakening, all right, I think I know,

170
00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.080
<v Speaker 3>I know from like reading other reviews, and then I

171
00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.759
<v Speaker 3>went and looked at PDFs of the book that like

172
00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:52.759
<v Speaker 3>there's some it's kind of like drawling. I don't know,

173
00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.080
<v Speaker 3>it's like even more childlike than when you're listening to it.

174
00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh kind of thing. But uh, all right, so that's

175
00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:00.279
<v Speaker 3>how we read it. I read you guys, ready for

176
00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Sarah sums it up for everyone who oh yeah, doesn't

177
00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.720
<v Speaker 3>know what it is or wants a reminder? Are you

178
00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:12.480
<v Speaker 3>gonna scroll down? Let's go, I'm gonna do some Cassie Sabrina,

179
00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:15.840
<v Speaker 3>could you be Michael? Johnna? Could you be Angela?

180
00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:17.639
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

181
00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:23.720
<v Speaker 3>And Clara? Could you be Carlos? And I'll be Lena? Okay,

182
00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:28.279
<v Speaker 3>all right, Michael, Angela, Carlos, and Lena gather around a

183
00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.840
<v Speaker 3>punch bowl at their twenty year high school reunion.

184
00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.080
<v Speaker 4>You know, I still think about that story I told

185
00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:37.720
<v Speaker 4>last time we were all here, who moved my cheese?

186
00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, the one with the little people who were

187
00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the size of mice or mice that could talk, or

188
00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.240
<v Speaker 1>were the actual mice And then there were also little

189
00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:51.080
<v Speaker 1>people forced to live as mice. Did we ever get

190
00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:52.320
<v Speaker 1>a backstory there?

191
00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Their names were Sniff, Scurry, Pim and haw Right. They

192
00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.960
<v Speaker 2>were all in some kind of maize looking for cheese.

193
00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.879
<v Speaker 2>Classic metaphor stuff.

194
00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.559
<v Speaker 3>Wait what the cheese represent again?

195
00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:11.159
<v Speaker 4>Whatever you want it to success, a relationship, a job,

196
00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:16.840
<v Speaker 4>anything you value. The whole idea was life changes, and

197
00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.679
<v Speaker 4>if you cling too tightly to the old cheese, you

198
00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:21.759
<v Speaker 4>get stuck.

199
00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was hem, wasn't it. He refused to believe

200
00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.559
<v Speaker 1>that cheese was gone. Do you think Ham was shrunk

201
00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.240
<v Speaker 1>in a shrink ray or do you think he was

202
00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:33.399
<v Speaker 1>born that small?

203
00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.159
<v Speaker 2>No idea, Angela, But back to the story. Sniff and Scurry,

204
00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:42.799
<v Speaker 2>the mice didn't overthink it. They just noticed the cheese

205
00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:44.000
<v Speaker 2>was gone. They moved on.

206
00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:49.159
<v Speaker 1>But mice can't think right like, of course, they don't

207
00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.840
<v Speaker 1>overthink it. They choose electrical wires and pissed and shit

208
00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.080
<v Speaker 1>wherever they eat. And that's who you should be looking

209
00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:00.519
<v Speaker 1>up to. And how did they get so small?

210
00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Angela, have some more punch, But the little people on

211
00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.480
<v Speaker 3>Paul he hesitated, remember, and he eventually laughed at himself

212
00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.039
<v Speaker 3>and went looking for the cheese.

213
00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:15.879
<v Speaker 4>Right right, He learned to adapt. He realized if you

214
00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:21.919
<v Speaker 4>do not change, you can become extinct. So he overcame

215
00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:25.679
<v Speaker 4>his fear and stepped back into the maize.

216
00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh kind of like after college huh.

217
00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Or layoffs or breakups.

218
00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Or after workplace discrimination. Just look for other cheese. Find

219
00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:41.080
<v Speaker 1>a different racist cheese or does that only apply to

220
00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the little people? Do you think a magic spell was

221
00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:47.639
<v Speaker 1>cast on them and that's how they got to are racist?

222
00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh? Okay, maybe we should clarify the lesson. Just you know,

223
00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:53.360
<v Speaker 3>for angela.

224
00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:59.799
<v Speaker 4>Simple change is inevitable. The cheese will always move, So

225
00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.840
<v Speaker 4>you accept that and act, the better your chances of

226
00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:05.279
<v Speaker 4>finding nude cheese.

227
00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I remember, always wear sneakers around your neck right like

228
00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.240
<v Speaker 1>a necklace. Is that a gen z thing?

229
00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Or what?

230
00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.440
<v Speaker 1>The fashion is hard because we're so old.

231
00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.080
<v Speaker 2>The listen is, don't be a hen.

232
00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:22.480
<v Speaker 4>Be more hole or better yet, be like the mice.

233
00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Don't over complicate things right.

234
00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Keep it simple. Don't mention your impending divorce. Don't mention

235
00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:32.799
<v Speaker 1>your son taft just got kicked out of his school

236
00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.360
<v Speaker 1>for poop smearing. Don't mention your former business partner went

237
00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:40.159
<v Speaker 1>behind your back and bankrupted your essential oils company, focus

238
00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:43.039
<v Speaker 1>on something else. Look at this punch.

239
00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:00.440
<v Speaker 3>She's a new cheeseees.

240
00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Better, really good, really good. I wish I had got

241
00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:07.159
<v Speaker 2>cast as Angela.

242
00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:11.240
<v Speaker 3>Order we nailed that.

243
00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:11.639
<v Speaker 5>Laugh.

244
00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:13.000
<v Speaker 3>I think I think we did.

245
00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:18.559
<v Speaker 4>Thank you. I could have you remember too many cooks.

246
00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:18.879
<v Speaker 3>I didn't.

247
00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:19.960
<v Speaker 4>I was inspired by that.

248
00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that's it. What is it, Clara,

249
00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:23.080
<v Speaker 3>go ahead.

250
00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know how to play Carlos. I did different.

251
00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I was happy. I was regular at the end.

252
00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:30.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

253
00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:32.480
<v Speaker 1>No small parts, only small actors.

254
00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Honey.

255
00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I never meant to imply.

256
00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Some characters just need to say past this.

257
00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you should be happy.

258
00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Then about what was written. I was, I suppose agreeing

259
00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.600
<v Speaker 2>with you that there are small actors. I was admitting

260
00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:54.799
<v Speaker 2>I almost wrote unbelievable.

261
00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:59.039
<v Speaker 3>I almost wrote something in cheese puns. But then I

262
00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:01.799
<v Speaker 3>I started to hate myself, so I yeah it changed course.

263
00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just a little bit. Yeah, this was really good.

264
00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:05.720
<v Speaker 2>This was really good.

265
00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.399
<v Speaker 3>I want to I like Angela. I might want us

266
00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.360
<v Speaker 3>to do like a million act outs of those people,

267
00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:15.759
<v Speaker 3>because like it's written so poorly, and like all those

268
00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:17.840
<v Speaker 3>the characters talking about like.

269
00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:21.039
<v Speaker 2>The book, oh yeah, they.

270
00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:24.679
<v Speaker 3>Set up talking about the parable with these This just

271
00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:27.799
<v Speaker 3>basically like it's a high school reunion and it's just

272
00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.360
<v Speaker 3>so bad, Like it's just forced.

273
00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:37.639
<v Speaker 2>And they're sitting at a table, no personalities. Literally, it's

274
00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.559
<v Speaker 2>like one of them says something and they're like, you

275
00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:42.480
<v Speaker 2>were captain of the football team.

276
00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's written like you was written in five minutes,

277
00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.799
<v Speaker 4>but it did take twenty years.

278
00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:53.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, apparently it did. Let's let's uh, let's get into that.

279
00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:58.159
<v Speaker 3>After Johnna's jugs. Okay, Johnna, yeh, do you have a parry?

280
00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I'm in an absolute I forgot about

281
00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:01.840
<v Speaker 1>John's john.

282
00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I feel like you already talked about

283
00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:07.200
<v Speaker 2>being in a panic this episode.

284
00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I have a book, I have a jug.

285
00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.279
<v Speaker 1>You have a jug? Oh thank god? Sabrina is.

286
00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:19.519
<v Speaker 3>It like milkid? I don't know.

287
00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Serena's my savior. Serena saves it the day. Sena saves

288
00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the day.

289
00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:28.200
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Wow, I have two ways that I could do this.

290
00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:29.159
<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna.

291
00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:32.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna give you jug options.

292
00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:33.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay.

293
00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.320
<v Speaker 4>The first jug is milk.

294
00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:39.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that makes it makes sense. I get it.

295
00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:44.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because yeah, milk turns into cheese. It's my understanding

296
00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:45.480
<v Speaker 4>of how the process.

297
00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:46.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know anything else.

298
00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm with Serena. I've not been offered milk. Yeah, I

299
00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:51.679
<v Speaker 1>think that's the jug. Yeah.

300
00:15:53.720 --> 00:16:00.399
<v Speaker 4>My second jug is just generally wine because the wine

301
00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.919
<v Speaker 4>should be anything you want it to be, and you

302
00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:07.519
<v Speaker 4>compare it with cheese. Wine is also anything you want

303
00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:07.879
<v Speaker 4>it to be.

304
00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:09.120
<v Speaker 1>That's true.

305
00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.919
<v Speaker 3>It's funny because and they say that in the story,

306
00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:16.440
<v Speaker 3>but in the story it is just cheese. So it's

307
00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:20.480
<v Speaker 3>it's weird that they're like, within the story, do you

308
00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:22.919
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying? The story, they're like, yeah, for

309
00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.000
<v Speaker 3>the little people, cheese was could be any of these things,

310
00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.679
<v Speaker 3>but but it wasn't. In the story. Cheese was just cheese. Like, yeah,

311
00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:32.039
<v Speaker 3>it was weird the thing.

312
00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:36.559
<v Speaker 2>They ate, right, which really kind of messed up as meta.

313
00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.360
<v Speaker 3>What are you doing here, bud? But a lot of issues.

314
00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Have you guys heard of have a jug question? Okay,

315
00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:48.279
<v Speaker 2>have you guys heard of the story? Hey tea? No,

316
00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.600
<v Speaker 2>it's new is hopping. They have a new kind of

317
00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:53.840
<v Speaker 2>thing they put on the top of the tea, which

318
00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.759
<v Speaker 2>is called cheese cream, which is a bad name, but

319
00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it is like whipped cream of cream cheese.

320
00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh, this would be the perfect drink for such a.

321
00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:06.240
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to ever try that.

322
00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I try try it.

323
00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Hate the stores is just hate tea.

324
00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.559
<v Speaker 4>The way that is so us as to how it

325
00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:15.279
<v Speaker 4>might be spelled.

326
00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I H E Y T T E the regular. It's

327
00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:22.799
<v Speaker 2>a T store, so all regular.

328
00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.440
<v Speaker 3>It's from Cha okay. I see you have it at

329
00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.039
<v Speaker 3>Tyson's corner. That's where you get right, I.

330
00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Haven't right down the road closer store.

331
00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:33.119
<v Speaker 3>It's Chinese.

332
00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.319
<v Speaker 1>When it was a tea store, I was like, like

333
00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:36.119
<v Speaker 1>glutter t.

334
00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.240
<v Speaker 3>It's it's in shang. I didn't.

335
00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Google lines out the door.

336
00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:47.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm interested, I gottata.

337
00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested to. I'm interested to.

338
00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.279
<v Speaker 4>When you listen to this episode, I do want you

339
00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.559
<v Speaker 4>to hear the recording of yourself saying, hey tea, just

340
00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.640
<v Speaker 4>the way you'd spell hate tea, and yeah, like hate

341
00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:01.920
<v Speaker 4>a place like you know.

342
00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:03.480
<v Speaker 5>Oh.

343
00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:05.680
<v Speaker 3>I was.

344
00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:08.079
<v Speaker 1>If you want to look up what she's talking about,

345
00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:09.599
<v Speaker 1>it's h E y oh my god.

346
00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:12.359
<v Speaker 3>They know by now, they knew, they knew immediately.

347
00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:16.599
<v Speaker 2>I think because I was talking about T shop before.

348
00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:22.000
<v Speaker 3>I think I think thelous. All right, all right, guys,

349
00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:25.640
<v Speaker 3>let's keep going. Let's get into this. It's a good

350
00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:31.240
<v Speaker 3>jug all right, guys.

351
00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:31.279
<v Speaker 4>Wait, why was this a jug question?

352
00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:33.839
<v Speaker 2>It was because it would be a good jug for

353
00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:36.519
<v Speaker 2>the Oh My question was have you heard of it?

354
00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay?

355
00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Really coming, really going for all right here.

356
00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.359
<v Speaker 3>All right, guys, let's get to this book. It's called

357
00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Who Moved My Cheese? An amazing way to deal with

358
00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:47.680
<v Speaker 3>change in your work and in your life.

359
00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:49.799
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't want to give you a way to die.

360
00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:51.799
<v Speaker 3>You have to do it.

361
00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:53.920
<v Speaker 1>By Sponsored Johnson's.

362
00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.920
<v Speaker 3>I guess let's yeah, okay. The book was published in

363
00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.400
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety eight. It is a business fable.

364
00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.200
<v Speaker 1>It was a new genre. I don't want to read.

365
00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't more unappealing business fable.

366
00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:11.799
<v Speaker 3>I have it with at least fifty three min It

367
00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.319
<v Speaker 3>was a New York Times bestsellerupuon release and remained on

368
00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:16.480
<v Speaker 3>the list for nearly five years. So yeah, that was what.

369
00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.480
<v Speaker 3>And it was originally a fifty three week Yeah. It

370
00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.960
<v Speaker 3>was also a long running bestseller for Publishers Weekly, over

371
00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.119
<v Speaker 3>two hundred weeks. I was listening to something where they said, like, oh,

372
00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.680
<v Speaker 3>people had to start stop, start taking off the shelves

373
00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:31.880
<v Speaker 3>because like you know how they have like the New

374
00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.400
<v Speaker 3>York Times bestseller and it was like always there that

375
00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:36.880
<v Speaker 3>people thought like, why aren't you updating it? Like this

376
00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:39.160
<v Speaker 3>book has been here for a year, and they're like, well,

377
00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:43.079
<v Speaker 3>yeah so, And as of twenty eighteen, had sold almost

378
00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:47.240
<v Speaker 3>thirty million copies worldwide. It's been translated into forty four languages,

379
00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:51.200
<v Speaker 3>so it has a bunch of different versions too. How

380
00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.880
<v Speaker 3>to share this? There's Who Moved My Choose? For Kids,

381
00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.240
<v Speaker 3>which I think is probably as drawings, But there's also

382
00:19:57.279 --> 00:19:59.839
<v Speaker 3>a Who Moved My Choose for Teens, which is essentially

383
00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:03.759
<v Speaker 3>the same book, only instead of a high school reunion,

384
00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:05.920
<v Speaker 3>they're like at a high school cafeteria on they're teenager.

385
00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you would literally have to do no

386
00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:13.200
<v Speaker 1>editing to make this into a children's picture book, like

387
00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the word count is already there.

388
00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, honestly, cut things that they should have cut for

389
00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.680
<v Speaker 3>adults is what probably what they cut around. But uh,

390
00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.599
<v Speaker 3>and there is this weird movie version I found that

391
00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:27.880
<v Speaker 3>looks oh, I don't know how it got.

392
00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:32.160
<v Speaker 1>We can share it, yes, please, let's share it.

393
00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.920
<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, it's a little ridiculous. But why is this

394
00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.200
<v Speaker 3>the best seller? You know what? I'll go into that later.

395
00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't need to. We'll talk about the mister Spencer

396
00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Johnson it's a cliffhanger, you know, it's a little cliffhanger.

397
00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.839
<v Speaker 3>I'll try to go in that fest. Spencer Johnson, he

398
00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:54.440
<v Speaker 3>was someone who avoided the spotlight, avoided publicity, so there's

399
00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.720
<v Speaker 3>not a ton known about him, but we know he's

400
00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.839
<v Speaker 3>born in nineteen thirty eight, South Dakota. He got a

401
00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:01.640
<v Speaker 3>degree from USC medical degree from the Royal College of

402
00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:04.119
<v Speaker 3>Surgeons in Ireland. So this was a guy on the

403
00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:07.240
<v Speaker 3>road becoming doctor surgeon.

404
00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm going to USC, not University of Southern California.

405
00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:12.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming it's.

406
00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:17.599
<v Speaker 3>No use the University of Southern Yes, yes, okay, okay, okay.

407
00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:18.519
<v Speaker 3>I just.

408
00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I just assumed he was too stupid to know us.

409
00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:25.279
<v Speaker 2>Because he seems really stupid.

410
00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:26.640
<v Speaker 3>We're going to keep going.

411
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Correspondence school that's also called us.

412
00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Fair Fair Quest. It was the real one, really university's

413
00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:40.240
<v Speaker 3>school college. So this was something I was a New

414
00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:43.880
<v Speaker 3>York Times article had because he died in twenty eighteen.

415
00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:46.880
<v Speaker 3>But to his death, there was an artist some article

416
00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.359
<v Speaker 3>that had some information about him, and it said that

417
00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:54.240
<v Speaker 3>at the time he was seen, he was doing you know, residency.

418
00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:58.079
<v Speaker 3>He felt a lot of diseases, were people lacking something

419
00:21:58.119 --> 00:21:59.920
<v Speaker 3>in their soul, and he wanted to fix them from

420
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.000
<v Speaker 3>the inside. This is like kind of fucked up. So

421
00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:04.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to give you a little bit more. It's

422
00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:06.039
<v Speaker 3>so weird that.

423
00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:07.359
<v Speaker 4>Sounds nice, honestly.

424
00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:10.799
<v Speaker 1>It makes it sound like every disease is your fault.

425
00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:13.240
<v Speaker 2>While he was working in the hospital and then he's

426
00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:14.839
<v Speaker 2>the rapist who's going to fix it.

427
00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:17.720
<v Speaker 3>He grew frustrated on seeing the same patient's return with

428
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:19.759
<v Speaker 3>the same ailments as if they were not trying to

429
00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:23.920
<v Speaker 3>better their lives. Oh, isn't that fucked up? Like I

430
00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:27.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know. So he was at at the Mayo Clinic

431
00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.319
<v Speaker 3>and Harvard Medical School at this time, and he was

432
00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:33.160
<v Speaker 3>working in the hospital and he was got frustrated by

433
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.680
<v Speaker 3>all these sick people just kept being sick. So he

434
00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:42.160
<v Speaker 3>left up. He left to work for a medical device manufacturer,

435
00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.240
<v Speaker 3>essentially in their PR like writing PR stuff, and I

436
00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:48.920
<v Speaker 3>guess from there kind of went into business side things.

437
00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.039
<v Speaker 3>But it's just like, yeah, just what a what an

438
00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:58.200
<v Speaker 3>evil place to start from, Like, okay, but he has

439
00:22:58.279 --> 00:22:59.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, he had some children, he had some

440
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.960
<v Speaker 3>two wives not at the same time. Saying that he

441
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:08.839
<v Speaker 3>started to get into kind of this business beat in

442
00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:12.200
<v Speaker 3>the eighties where he worked with Ken Blanchard, who had

443
00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.799
<v Speaker 3>already been writing business books, but they weren't.

444
00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:16.839
<v Speaker 4>Any relation to Gypsy Rose.

445
00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, not that I'm that's gonna have to be

446
00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:22.039
<v Speaker 3>a deep dive for someone else because I did not

447
00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.359
<v Speaker 3>do that research. And I apologize. I apologize for not

448
00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 3>first off, but yeah, he wrote. So they and they

449
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.440
<v Speaker 3>had bestseller in the eighties called The One Minute Manager,

450
00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:35.599
<v Speaker 3>and it got and became like a series or a

451
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:37.359
<v Speaker 3>ton of spin offs. It was not a real book.

452
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.240
<v Speaker 3>It was also just sixty five pages, and apparently to

453
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.519
<v Speaker 3>the publisher. The publisher was like, this is only sixty

454
00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:45.359
<v Speaker 3>five pages. We should probably make this pretty cheap, and

455
00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:47.799
<v Speaker 3>they were like, no, no, no, don't do that. Make

456
00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:51.119
<v Speaker 3>a full price. People will think will not buy it

457
00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:54.039
<v Speaker 3>if they are like, think it's cheap, And that was true.

458
00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:56.440
<v Speaker 3>It actually was a good call. And some of the

459
00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:57.319
<v Speaker 3>spin offfics.

460
00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:02.680
<v Speaker 4>That's like the Dale, Yes it is, it is. Wow,

461
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:06.759
<v Speaker 4>can't from can't believe I remembered what book that came from?

462
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, the advice and self help books stick with you.

463
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:14.799
<v Speaker 3>Or it's all the same as also possible, there's some

464
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.279
<v Speaker 3>of the spa spawns of It was one minute Father

465
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 3>and one minute Teacher, which I don't know. I didn't

466
00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.079
<v Speaker 3>look into what these were, but it just I don't think.

467
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Minute Father, well that is possible.

468
00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:33.160
<v Speaker 3>True second father, and I'm out out of the picture.

469
00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:36.759
<v Speaker 3>He wrote another book ninety two to.

470
00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:38.400
<v Speaker 1>At least be an eight minute father.

471
00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:43.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. We're just talking about how long sex lasts?

472
00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:43.559
<v Speaker 3>Is that what?

473
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:44.480
<v Speaker 6>Oh?

474
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:50.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah. So basically became like a management guru, and

475
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:52.480
<v Speaker 3>he did seminars and stuff, and so this was like

476
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 3>a cheese story he told the seminar and eventually he

477
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.839
<v Speaker 3>claimed somebody told him to make it into a book.

478
00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:01.839
<v Speaker 3>But I'm sure, you know, maybe everyone did. I don't know.

479
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.880
<v Speaker 3>So nineteen ninety eight he wrote it came out blast Off,

480
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:10.359
<v Speaker 3>a huge deal. He you know, we'll get into it.

481
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 3>He died in twenty seventeen at the age of seventy eight,

482
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:16.920
<v Speaker 3>and his sequel, Out of the Maze was published posthumously

483
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:22.119
<v Speaker 3>in twenty eighteen. But yeah, I think the big this

484
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.839
<v Speaker 3>this book, like our uh like Patty, our patron said

485
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:29.759
<v Speaker 3>it did have a big effect in business and kind

486
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Speaker 3>of like, how was it successful?

487
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.680
<v Speaker 4>No, I'm like, is Patty a fake name for a patron?

488
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:35.759
<v Speaker 4>Patty the patron.

489
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh I don't know. If so, I don't care because

490
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:43.319
<v Speaker 3>it was a great suggest I think it was really.

491
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:45.279
<v Speaker 1>So how did maybe it was you from the future?

492
00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:47.720
<v Speaker 4>How did this book?

493
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:49.279
<v Speaker 3>How did this book get so successful?

494
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I yeah, I'd love to know.

495
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 3>Uh, well, there's there's a few like there's some business

496
00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:01.519
<v Speaker 3>context at this time where like we're in the nineties

497
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:05.400
<v Speaker 3>and it's life is good, life is good, but like

498
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.160
<v Speaker 3>there's also like a ton of layoffs. There's a lot

499
00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:13.039
<v Speaker 3>of there's a big focus on you know, maximizing profits

500
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.400
<v Speaker 3>to this shareholder and making companies lean and even if

501
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:19.599
<v Speaker 3>like they're successful, so there's a lot of like we're

502
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:22.240
<v Speaker 3>doing well, the company's doing well, but they're laying everyone off,

503
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.319
<v Speaker 3>Like what the fuck? A lot of a huge shift

504
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.319
<v Speaker 3>in inequality and eighties and nineties, and so this ideology

505
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of came out of this change to change management

506
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 3>to kind of like because there's all these layoffs going on,

507
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Speaker 3>so how can we deal with it? So that's kind

508
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:42.319
<v Speaker 3>of like, okay, so that's it, you get it. It's

509
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.079
<v Speaker 3>like the time was ready for something evil like this.

510
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.400
<v Speaker 3>But the funny part of this be so successful is

511
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 3>that like as again was mentioned before. It was just

512
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:59.480
<v Speaker 3>like businesses buying it for their employees, like Amway bought

513
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.720
<v Speaker 3>an for its employees, Southwest Airlines apparently bought twenty seven

514
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 3>thousand Mercedes Benz nc NCAA was like, you have to

515
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:12.920
<v Speaker 3>get this for incoming students and teach it. And Ron

516
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:20.559
<v Speaker 3>Sorry reportedly gave who Moved by Cheese to companies while

517
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 3>the company wasn't ploating. And then I was just like

518
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.160
<v Speaker 3>on a Reddit thread, it was just so many, so

519
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:31.559
<v Speaker 3>many people being like like a nurse being like, oh yeah,

520
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.279
<v Speaker 3>there was a staffing crisis and they refused to raise

521
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.960
<v Speaker 3>wages or hire more help, but they gave us who

522
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 3>moved my cheese? And like another one that was like

523
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.480
<v Speaker 3>they gave it to this before they outsourced the entire

524
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 3>department overseas. It was it was just funny, like how

525
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 3>many people were just like this they distributed to everyone

526
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 3>when we were laid off over and over again. Oh

527
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.160
<v Speaker 3>this was a good one. Somebody said, I'm a teacher.

528
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Horrible principle wanted us to adopt a new program that

529
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.799
<v Speaker 3>was around who moved my choose, which I think was

530
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 3>like part of the business arm that they had. After this,

531
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.400
<v Speaker 3>they'd vote for the program, but it was rigged so

532
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 3>they didn't really get to vote. They adopted the program.

533
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Then the principal got a ten thousand dollars bonus for

534
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.119
<v Speaker 3>getting the program. Probably was also like a part of

535
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 3>the way they were making money. I think they were like,

536
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 3>if you do this, we'll give you a bonus for

537
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.680
<v Speaker 3>whoever brings the program in and anyway that she says.

538
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.039
<v Speaker 3>The principal then retired after getting the bonus, which was

539
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, in retrospect them like ten thousands. Not but

540
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe it was enough. Maybe it was enough at the time.

541
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>It was the nineteen ninety eight you live to rest

542
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>your life off that, Yeah, you buy a little house.

543
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 3>A ten yeah. Yeah, so just one of those books

544
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.319
<v Speaker 3>that you know, Jesus Christ, they're giving it because.

545
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to give anything. It's true, you don't

546
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>have to give a gift when you were like just

547
00:28:58.480 --> 00:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>leave them alone.

548
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.440
<v Speaker 4>But what I had you that's gonna give them severance.

549
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I think this was for managers and people to make

550
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.599
<v Speaker 3>them sell. Like it was I'm doing this. I'm giving

551
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 3>this to you. You're being laid off, but it's to

552
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 3>make myself feel better as the manager lay you off.

553
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Because it's like you're, oh, your opportunities await, you know,

554
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.079
<v Speaker 3>like shin up, you know you're you're gonna be okay.

555
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.079
<v Speaker 3>And I don't feel.

556
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Mary cheese you've never had before.

557
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.559
<v Speaker 4>You're awesome Swiss.

558
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you're being laid off because you're a hall

559
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, a hem and a hall. So you need

560
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.519
<v Speaker 3>to read this and learn to not be like that.

561
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 1>So here's the big problem with this business fable. The

562
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 1>premise is that these two mice and these two little

563
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>people are sent into a maze and they're just randomly

564
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 1>given cheese one day, and then they become dependent on

565
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 1>the cheese, and then the cheese gets will yes yeah,

566
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and the cheese gets taken away and they're like, ah,

567
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.359
<v Speaker 1>who moved my cheese? I deserve this cheese. I count

568
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>on this cheese. And it's supposed to be this parable

569
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:12.079
<v Speaker 1>for work and how like you know, they freaked out

570
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>instead of seeing it as an opportunity for change. But

571
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that relies on the idea that my job is something

572
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.839
<v Speaker 1>that was given to me out of charity unexpectedly, not

573
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 1>something I needed or was seeking out, Like my job

574
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:32.079
<v Speaker 1>fell into my lap and it's something that I eat also, yeah,

575
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and I've come to rely on fully without doing anything

576
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 1>in that position.

577
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, am I about to defect queen hold on?

578
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I try to defend it. I don't

579
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:47.279
<v Speaker 3>even know how you can.

580
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 4>Know what I'm Okay, No, But what I was gonna

581
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:04.759
<v Speaker 4>say is I have a lot to complain about on

582
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 4>this book. But I thought the messaging that I took

583
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 4>away okay at my three point five time speed wasn't

584
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 4>exactly that. Like what I took away was Okay, you

585
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 4>have this cheese, and I think, honestly like it being

586
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 4>there for simplicity was for simplicity. In the book, it's like,

587
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 4>you have this cheese. You're at a place in life.

588
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.000
<v Speaker 4>We are all at a place in life, and the

589
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 4>place we are at life is this cheese. And you

590
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 4>keep going back to this cheese. And this cheese right

591
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 4>now is what's fulfilling to you and what is propelling

592
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 4>your life forward. But one day it could be gone,

593
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.559
<v Speaker 4>or one day it could no longer sate you, and

594
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.960
<v Speaker 4>you need to not be afraid to go looking for

595
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 4>other cheese. This is not the only cheese in the maze.

596
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 4>This is not the only job you'll ever have. This

597
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 4>is not the only relationship you'll ever be in. And

598
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, just because this cheese is there doesn't mean

599
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.599
<v Speaker 4>you should keep going back to this cheese. If this

600
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 4>cheese is no longer doing it for you, or it

601
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 4>happens to disappear, there's going to the other cheese. You

602
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.279
<v Speaker 4>are just too afraid of change to find it.

603
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 3>This is this is That is the nicest over simplification

604
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 3>of my life.

605
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>But it's also like for me, the equivalent of like

606
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>if there was just a big pile of mulch I

607
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.599
<v Speaker 1>got and one day the mulch went away, I didn't

608
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Why why was I given mulch at all? I was

609
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:42.279
<v Speaker 1>able to forge for my own?

610
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Mult didn't find you didn't they have to find the cheese.

611
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 3>They did. They had to originally find it to work

612
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.000
<v Speaker 3>for it. In the parable, it says, it says the

613
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.799
<v Speaker 3>difference again, why the fuck are there little people in mice?

614
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Why aren't they all mice? Like?

615
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 4>Why are people?

616
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.559
<v Speaker 3>This doesn't make any fucking sense. Why the mice?

617
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 4>You actually can just have it be mice.

618
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like made it more confusable, It made it way

619
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:11.720
<v Speaker 3>more confusing. And why do the mice have sneakers? Anyway?

620
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:15.559
<v Speaker 3>They the rule says something like about how the rules

621
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 3>of the world don't make sense. Okay, but it says

622
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 3>something about like, oh, they're looking for the cheese, and

623
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 3>like the little mice like they what are their names?

624
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Scurry and they sniff and scurry and that's how they

625
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.440
<v Speaker 3>find the cheese. But the humans use their brain and

626
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 3>there but.

627
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't they don't say it doesn't say.

628
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 3>How, doesn't go it all into how they use it,

629
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.839
<v Speaker 3>just they've just that's mentioned. And then like but they're

630
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>but they're fucking idiots because apparently, like the cheese has

631
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.000
<v Speaker 3>been getting moldy, they say later the she's been getting

632
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 3>moldy the cheese, the mound of the cheese has been

633
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 3>getting less and less, and our fucking idiot humans haven't

634
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 3>noticed at all. That's one problem. And then it happens

635
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.000
<v Speaker 3>and that we're there, we're they're telling us we need

636
00:33:58.039 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 3>to be like the mice, because mice are just like,

637
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.000
<v Speaker 3>let's go back to finding the cheese. And the humans

638
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.720
<v Speaker 3>are like upset about it, and I'm like, no, I

639
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 3>feel like I would be a little I mean, if

640
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I had cheese all the time it just disappeared, I'd

641
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 3>be a little pissed. Off about it. I'd be like,

642
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:17.239
<v Speaker 3>what happened? Like they're right, They're like, who moved the

643
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 3>cheese is a fair fucking question because who didn't? Who

644
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:22.480
<v Speaker 3>is who did move the.

645
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>First place?

646
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Why move your own cheese? You could be the

647
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 3>answer to who moved your But they can't move their

648
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.199
<v Speaker 3>own cheese, not in this they have to find another cheese.

649
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.239
<v Speaker 3>But like in life, you move cheese.

650
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.119
<v Speaker 4>You could move your own cheese.

651
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I do that.

652
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>I would amaze.

653
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.159
<v Speaker 3>Who is the hand in this story? Is that? That's capitalism?

654
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 3>That's like market forces? Like what are we talking about here?

655
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.960
<v Speaker 4>It depends on what the cheese is, right, Like maybe

656
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:01.599
<v Speaker 4>the cheese is Maybe the cheese is my Maybe the

657
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:02.960
<v Speaker 4>cheese is self love.

658
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, the money because it's easy.

659
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but like it's whatever you need it to be.

660
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.920
<v Speaker 3>It's still fair. I think it's fair to question who

661
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 3>did that, Like who's putting the cheese? What are the

662
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 3>forces that are placing the cheese here? Because it will

663
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 3>like to know that information would help you be able

664
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.559
<v Speaker 3>to figure out where the cheese might be next.

665
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.440
<v Speaker 4>If I know, are the fair questions to ask?

666
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Right?

667
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.679
<v Speaker 1>If I know that the cheese is being provided by

668
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 1>a cheesemonger. Then the next thing I need to know

669
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is where the origins? Where are their headquarters? That's where

670
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll go.

671
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:42.559
<v Speaker 3>Let me go to.

672
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.199
<v Speaker 4>Maybe one day it's a cheesemonger. Maybe one day it's

673
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 4>a person who works in Whole Foods that not in

674
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:52.599
<v Speaker 4>the cheese section.

675
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know.

676
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of.

677
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah it does.

678
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.679
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of places the metaphor doesn't work at all,

679
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Like even in what we've been talking about. So the

680
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>idea that someone moved your cheese and you're pissed off

681
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.320
<v Speaker 2>about it, it doesn't work to in the way he's

682
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.840
<v Speaker 2>describing it for that to be your job or your relationship,

683
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.840
<v Speaker 2>because he also describes him getting weaker from not eating.

684
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 2>So it really pissed me off the bar or whichever

685
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 2>or hem was, like would I was so afraid of change?

686
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 2>He would stay and starved to dead. It took me

687
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>out of it, like any human, any would go look,

688
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>any human would go look. And and so that was

689
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 2>a place the metaphor broke down.

690
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 4>Okay, but wait, maybe it doesn't break down right. Maybe

691
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:50.039
<v Speaker 4>you don't even realize you're starving yourself because it's not

692
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:56.480
<v Speaker 4>good it's it's like, yeah, you're right, that's not of

693
00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:00.280
<v Speaker 4>a steam is going down. Your mental health is going

694
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.519
<v Speaker 4>that's supposed to be, and don't pull yourself out of that.

695
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.639
<v Speaker 2>He didn't give them symptoms, didn't give them symptoms of

696
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 2>depression or mental health. He gave them symptoms of starvation.

697
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 2>He said they were getting weaker.

698
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 4>Okay, sure, I'm sure, but for them it was food.

699
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm fine, I find saying the starvation could be your

700
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:24.599
<v Speaker 3>in Sabrina's ideas, Like.

701
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.920
<v Speaker 2>But he also he would also hint it. He say,

702
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.440
<v Speaker 2>he would hint at mental health things, but they were

703
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>also starving. And I think that really took me out of.

704
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.199
<v Speaker 3>The I mean, it was bad. It was bad because

705
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 3>he should have just stuck in the lane of parable

706
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 3>and like stop bringing up like what it could represent

707
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.400
<v Speaker 3>and like let us all determine that, or like let

708
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 3>the people. I mean, he had this whole fucking thing

709
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 3>where adults are talking about the parable. Let them talk

710
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 3>about what it could be. No, within the very story,

711
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:56.559
<v Speaker 3>he's like, also it could mean this, it could mean

712
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.800
<v Speaker 3>That's not how the parable works.

713
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 1>We need to talk about another huge way it breaks down,

714
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 1>which is that there's this maze and somehow these two

715
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.920
<v Speaker 1>mice and these two little people find their way into it.

716
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 1>But they're not the only people in this world. Pieces

717
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:15.559
<v Speaker 1>friends and neighbors into the maze and to show them

718
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>their cheese.

719
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what I was waiting to bring us. That

720
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.079
<v Speaker 2>is a huge breakdown.

721
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.039
<v Speaker 3>That's a huge breakdown.

722
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 2>What the hell.

723
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Where are these people getting their quote unquote cheese. Also,

724
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 1>one of the characters is like I've gathered hem is

725
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.199
<v Speaker 1>like I gathered so much cheese at my cheese estate.

726
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll have enough cheese to live on cheese Drive someday. Well, now,

727
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>let's become.

728
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:44.559
<v Speaker 4>Money, because it needed to be money at that time.

729
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Sabrina, Okay, Sabrina defend the parties, but they threw with

730
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.800
<v Speaker 2>other little people to go see the cheese.

731
00:38:54.360 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Then do the parties represent real parties?

732
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 4>You know, like at that time, the cheese is doing

733
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 4>it for you. At that time, you are loving the cheese.

734
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.039
<v Speaker 4>It's it's it's saying that.

735
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it's saying you're showing off the cheese.

736
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Off the cheese, yeah right, but you love that, right.

737
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 2>But in the book, they're not showing it off to

738
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 2>the mice. They're not showing it off to each other.

739
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 2>They're showing it off to other people. Where the fuck

740
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 2>did they live? And how do they do?

741
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 3>They go to?

742
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Stout stains them.

743
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, let's go to the other mazes. Are they in

744
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 3>different mazes? Why are we just hanging out this maze?

745
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>They can get in and out of the maze. But

746
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 1>also the solution to Hem and Haw's problems is not

747
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.760
<v Speaker 1>ever to leave the maze, which shows you this community

748
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.199
<v Speaker 1>and village that I guess they live in. It's to

749
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 1>just look in other rooms in the maze, which if

750
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.039
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about a metaphor, then now I'm just still

751
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 1>at the same company and I'm like, oh, I got

752
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.320
<v Speaker 1>fired from my job in the IT department. I'm just

753
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna keep slamming my head again to this application to

754
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>work in data.

755
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go back to the building where I worked.

756
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 4>Well to be invited into the right bring into the maze.

757
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.880
<v Speaker 4>Are actually in other mazes. So it's not like you

758
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.000
<v Speaker 4>can be in the maze or you can be in

759
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.800
<v Speaker 4>this free, wonderful world. It's like you can be in

760
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 4>this you can be in that maze.

761
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 2>It seems like.

762
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to capture one of the mice from the

763
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>other goddamn mazes and it's gonna work for me and

764
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ride it to wherever the Jesus. Why don't.

765
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.480
<v Speaker 3>What happened to? What are these fair weather friends? Also

766
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.480
<v Speaker 3>times got tough? I didn't. I didn't see that.

767
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 4>Another refer classism friend and friend.

768
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:58.199
<v Speaker 3>Also, but the main also, the the main like thing

769
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.599
<v Speaker 3>is like, oh, we should be doing what the mice

770
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 3>are doing, just moving on and not thinking about what

771
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 3>we lost or what it was just like it was

772
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 3>crazy because I'm like, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't apply

773
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 3>to most situations, anything that's slightly complicated, anything that's like

774
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 3>structural that requires like people to you know, pull the

775
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.280
<v Speaker 3>resources to overcome an issue. It's just like, no, the

776
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 3>issue is you and you just need to move on.

777
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 3>And it's like a very toxic, toxic message.

778
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps specific to hem and Haw because they're not smarter

779
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.559
<v Speaker 2>than the mice.

780
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 3>They are longer than the mice, yes.

781
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.920
<v Speaker 2>So maybe yeah, they should be more like the mice.

782
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I think my biggest thing with him in Haw was

783
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:46.400
<v Speaker 2>they have pens to write on the walls and they

784
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:51.079
<v Speaker 2>write little inspirational sayings, but they don't use it to

785
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:52.480
<v Speaker 2>help them navigate the maze.

786
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.599
<v Speaker 3>No, you guys felt like they were pressing them while

787
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 3>he's doing that. I'm lazy. He's going crazy, fully, like

788
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:02.039
<v Speaker 3>I was.

789
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Writing things like always smell the cheese, like you imagine

790
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 1>the cheese.

791
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 3>You will get to the cheese room, No cheese, nobody that.

792
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.679
<v Speaker 4>I was just sometimes she's could appear where it wasn't before,

793
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.000
<v Speaker 4>so it doesn't matter if you checked her room.

794
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, he said he got lost, so it might have

795
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 2>been good to have some markings.

796
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I felt this. It felt like squid games to me,

797
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 3>like a scarier squid games, honestly, but yeah, again, who

798
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 3>why it? Also if a hand dropped the cheese there,

799
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 3>like bite the hand, bite, Why couldn't have put the

800
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 3>cheese back exactly where they put it? Like maybe the

801
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.960
<v Speaker 3>hall was right to just sit and wait because.

802
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe the hand is hurt and sick and needs the head.

803
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:53.400
<v Speaker 3>I feel like the chances are just just good. He's

804
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 3>gonna drop it right in the same place that somewhere else,

805
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:56.719
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know it.

806
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Done even made any sense. Also, when you look at

807
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the terrible as it breaks down there. Basically, when you're

808
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:05.440
<v Speaker 1>faced with change or challenge, there are four things you

809
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.199
<v Speaker 1>can do. You can be like sniff, which is you

810
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 1>can sniff out the problem before it happens, and like.

811
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Take or something. I don't even know what he was

812
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Speaker 3>doing preemptively, but I just it's he could smell the

813
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:18.159
<v Speaker 3>mold or something.

814
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 4>He could smell mold. So he went to find Better's

815
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:21.280
<v Speaker 4>fresh cheese.

816
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 1>No he didn't.

817
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.920
<v Speaker 3>He waited until the very end, and he can just

818
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 3>sneakers around his neck.

819
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 4>Well he knew, I guess.

820
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.360
<v Speaker 1>He just so he waited with dread, okay, the entire time,

821
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.559
<v Speaker 1>knowing that the cheese supply was dwindling and becoming less edited.

822
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 3>He didn't he didn't communicate it to anyone else and

823
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 3>get together, let's try to figure this out.

824
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 1>No, just like I sense trouble. Okay. So that's one

825
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>way you could deal with problems, which is apparently a

826
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 1>good way. You could be like scurry, which is, as

827
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 1>soon as you wait, you do nothing, you have no

828
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 1>sense that anything's going to happen. And then as soon

829
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 1>as something bad happens, you immediately make a reftis decision

830
00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 1>and you scurry away to find what God knows what

831
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, right in the arms of a mousetrap.

832
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Then you could be like haw and apparently the metaphor

833
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 1>there is laugh at yourself, you know, just just like

834
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>look at your floibles and your follies and realize like

835
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.519
<v Speaker 1>you're the moron in the end, Yeah, I could have

836
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:26.159
<v Speaker 1>been a better financial manager. And then there's hem and

837
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what we're supposed to take away from him.

838
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.920
<v Speaker 3>He got fired at the end, that's the story. Michael

839
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 3>goes back and he's like him's fired.

840
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>So that's it. Those those are the three options. Get

841
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:44.679
<v Speaker 1>fired and be like him, and I guess just ops insane.

842
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Screw sniff, I guess is your best one? Anticipation I think.

843
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 4>Is ultimately your best one. It doesn't he laughing at himself.

844
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 4>He's he learns to evolve.

845
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:09.159
<v Speaker 2>He's starving today. He's starving today, and he says insane

846
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:11.440
<v Speaker 2>when he is starving to death, lost in the maze.

847
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.199
<v Speaker 2>He said, maybe I bid off more than I could chew.

848
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:17.280
<v Speaker 2>And then he laughed because he didn't have anything to chew.

849
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't think someone who isn't going insane from starvation.

850
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.039
<v Speaker 4>I think he was. He's funny.

851
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:27.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't think he was. I think that

852
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't think anything he was funny.

853
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Those are the words whose faculties were leaving him.

854
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 3>No, they were all there.

855
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:37.800
<v Speaker 4>What he knows?

856
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 2>You really think?

857
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't, it's so funny and scurry.

858
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Were in the maze at all. I think there's something.

859
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 3>That that's a good question.

860
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I think hal was you know, I'm sad for.

861
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:56.519
<v Speaker 3>Hang Yeah, I feel I feel scared for He left

862
00:45:56.599 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 3>him to die and then was like creating this whole

863
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 3>story to justify what he did.

864
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 4>What do I know we kind of touched on it,

865
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:09.360
<v Speaker 4>but what do we really think? The purpose of having

866
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 4>two mice and then too little people.

867
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:17.159
<v Speaker 3>Was because you're the little people because people uh overthink,

868
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.280
<v Speaker 3>they have complex thoughts and then they overthink and it

869
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.840
<v Speaker 3>makes them not become fearful and be too afraid to

870
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 3>go after the next cheese. I think that is the

871
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.239
<v Speaker 3>main thing. It's just a very stupid way of doing it.

872
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:33.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so just like be thoughtless like a mouse.

873
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's the That is fully the message, which is

874
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.519
<v Speaker 3>which is why it's like an insane book to give

875
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 3>your workers. But was for that purpose to be like,

876
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.159
<v Speaker 3>we don't I don't want you to think too much, guys,

877
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.519
<v Speaker 3>don't question why these why we're making these structural changes

878
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 3>in the business and we're fired. Everyone just go with it,

879
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.320
<v Speaker 3>like be a mouse, grace, Grace Gary.

880
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you guys think a mouse really would move on

881
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 2>to another part of the maze or would they just

882
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>like lick at the corners of the wall and scratch

883
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:04.199
<v Speaker 2>at the corners of the wall.

884
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 4>Mice find their way out of mazes. That's like, I mean,

885
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:14.440
<v Speaker 4>that's certainly why it's set here, right, is because that's

886
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:15.280
<v Speaker 4>like a conscience.

887
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Experiments are dumb.

888
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't know why they aren't

889
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:21.519
<v Speaker 3>just all walking around the maze. I mean, it seems

890
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 3>like you should get some exercise. I mean, if that's

891
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.119
<v Speaker 3>all where you live, why are you staying in one

892
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 3>room like.

893
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 4>One?

894
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.079
<v Speaker 2>That's another place. It sort of breaks down, isn't it

895
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that they aren't.

896
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Having parties, but you're not exploring, but they only go

897
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:41.320
<v Speaker 3>to this room, So it implies that cheese.

898
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:43.639
<v Speaker 2>The parties imply that cheese is so novel you would

899
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.840
<v Speaker 2>have a party to show it off. So what are

900
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 2>the other people eating?

901
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 3>How bad is it?

902
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 4>They're just it's different cheese for them, less cheese. But okay,

903
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 4>I got to push back on this because that is

904
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.480
<v Speaker 4>like so true, but that's so true. Of it's like

905
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 4>say that replace cheese with just the word stuff, and

906
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 4>it's like, why are you showing off your stuff? We've

907
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 4>all got stuff, but like they're varying degrees of stuff.

908
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Do you think I come to your house to see

909
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:16.519
<v Speaker 1>your stuff?

910
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't host to show my stuff off.

911
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 2>But like that's what they did do they host like

912
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 2>fashioned cheese. It's you know, so the metaphor of them

913
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>having a party behind them they're having a party and

914
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 2>having their friends come to their party was supposed to

915
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 2>be a fashion show.

916
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, something like that, like a spectacle.

917
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So here's another point of contention I have. At

918
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>one point, the smart humans are like, you know what,

919
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 1>can't the cheese isn't in this room. We're gonna get

920
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 1>some sledgehammers. We're gonna knock a hole in the wall.

921
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.480
<v Speaker 1>See if maybe the cheese went into the wall. And

922
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the book's like, wasn't that freaking dumb and stupid? They

923
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 1>could have walked through the main They're knocking holes in

924
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the wall, and I was like like is it or

925
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.119
<v Speaker 1>why is that exactly the kind of outside of the

926
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>maze thinking that a good employee should have exactly, well, no,

927
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.199
<v Speaker 1>no cheese here, I've been through this whole maze before.

928
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Time to start knocking down walls.

929
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, and you might think that I defend the book here,

930
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 4>but I happen to agree with you that.

931
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Aha, it's a good idea.

932
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:25.440
<v Speaker 2>There we go, there we go.

933
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 1>I think they should be burning the maize down building

934
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.960
<v Speaker 1>ladder shoots out of the maze.

935
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 4>And I need some level of order in the world.

936
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I still, I still. I just feel like

937
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.960
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that he was like these humans, Oh my god,

938
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 3>look the things they're doing. It's like, no, they were

939
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 3>asking him who moved the cheese? Is the correct question

940
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 3>because it can get at where could be? Yeah, it's important,

941
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 3>like how does my world work? Is essentially what that

942
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.960
<v Speaker 3>question is asking. And I do think, yeah, should know that,

943
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.880
<v Speaker 3>should know that because cheese, Because guess what if the

944
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 3>cheese is going to move again? Don't you want to

945
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.119
<v Speaker 3>know where it might?

946
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Like robot moving the cheese every four weeks? Is someone

947
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 1>moving the cheese to kill me? In which case I

948
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 1>have an enemy and I should know.

949
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:22.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't pull it.

950
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it needs to be that. It could

951
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.920
<v Speaker 4>be that dramatic but I don't think it needs to

952
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 4>be that. It be more fun if it could just

953
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:33.079
<v Speaker 4>be it could just be like, you're at your job

954
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 4>and it's a dead end job and it's no longer

955
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 4>fulfilling you. Inflation is rising, the salary no longer feeds you.

956
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 4>You got to go get a bree cheese job.

957
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Where am I going to get a bree cheese job?

958
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 4>Somewhere somewhere else in the main. That's the point, though,

959
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.639
<v Speaker 4>is your mindset is where am I going to get

960
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.519
<v Speaker 4>a bree cheese job? There is no breecheese job out there.

961
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 4>My little shred of American is the only job left.

962
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 4>But when you actually go out into the maize, you're like, oh,

963
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.320
<v Speaker 4>there is a bree cheese job, or maybe don't find

964
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:10.119
<v Speaker 4>the bree cheese job.

965
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>You're like, monster, Okay, here's a problem with Oh there's.

966
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 3>The Monster's definitely the monster is definitely paying you less money.

967
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 3>It's definitely paying you less money. I think if you're

968
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.400
<v Speaker 3>getting that monster than American.

969
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fully, Okay, So this is like, hey, you've got

970
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:28.400
<v Speaker 1>this American.

971
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 3>We live in America.

972
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.519
<v Speaker 2>The American cheese is disgusting.

973
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, it depends, you know, if we're talking about a burger.

974
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you work American cheese.

975
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:41.559
<v Speaker 1>It comes in steady, Okay, it comes in steady every week. Yeah,

976
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's been a little less lately. Maybe it's maybe

977
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>it's not the quality I was used to, But it's

978
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a steady cheese. But this hem comes over and he's like, hey, man,

979
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 1>what would you do if you had no fear? And

980
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, huh, I guess I'd live. I'd go

981
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 1>move to Newport, Rhode Island where the Vanderbilts and the

982
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Rockefellers have their mansion, because that place seems beautiful, and

983
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 1>I I guess I'd like to be a singer. Oh,

984
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go in.

985
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:12.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quit my job at the American Cheese corner

986
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.800
<v Speaker 1>of the maze, give a big f you to my mom.

987
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna move to Newport, Rhode Island, and there I

988
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>will last three months. I have no money. Yeah, I'm

989
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.400
<v Speaker 1>not a singer. I'm not gonnat.

990
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 3>And is that a go for cheese?

991
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 4>You can reach?

992
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay, But then it's like to say that in the book,

993
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:35.079
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't it doesn't it sho it's in a maze.

994
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 3>There's not that. There's not that amount of what like

995
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 3>moving between classes is a lot harder than the book

996
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.119
<v Speaker 3>is making it out. It's like I'm gonna go get

997
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:50.320
<v Speaker 3>a job, I'm gonna go out and sure, but but

998
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.440
<v Speaker 3>it's like it's crazy to be like I am. This

999
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:58.159
<v Speaker 3>book is mainly given from a company CEOs to their

1000
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:03.880
<v Speaker 3>low level employees with the message that like you, it's

1001
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:08.519
<v Speaker 3>your fault that you're no longer either getting the bright

1002
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.599
<v Speaker 3>money you want or enjoying your job, and that you

1003
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.559
<v Speaker 3>need to be the one to fix it.

1004
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just and like it's not even that it's

1005
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 2>your fault. It's like it's not my fault. So you

1006
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.079
<v Speaker 2>deal with it like like I will. The onus is

1007
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 2>on you. Don't ask me for a reference. The illness

1008
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:27.599
<v Speaker 2>is on you.

1009
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, here's what suck. I know it's my tweet. My

1010
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.599
<v Speaker 1>cheese is dwindling. I know this. It's getting a little

1011
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:37.000
<v Speaker 1>bit moldy. I sit there and I wait, I've got

1012
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.800
<v Speaker 1>night vision goggles that I watch for the hand. The

1013
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 1>hand comes in, I fucking latch on the game, and

1014
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I say, what's going on with the goddamn cheese? Okay,

1015
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I need good cheese. I need to here now, I

1016
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>need the quality I'm used to or I'm gonna bite

1017
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:53.360
<v Speaker 1>through your skin.

1018
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:55.119
<v Speaker 4>You why do you have me here?

1019
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Why am I here? You'll need to perform in this space?

1020
00:53:58.920 --> 00:53:59.920
<v Speaker 1>What do you want from me?

1021
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:02.519
<v Speaker 4>Is this how you talk to your boss?

1022
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1023
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if he was starving?

1024
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Does that maaving me poison money?

1025
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:18.320
<v Speaker 3>It's just so sad, I do, Sabrina to go back to,

1026
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.599
<v Speaker 3>like the only message I do think that like why

1027
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:25.199
<v Speaker 3>are you well? Like what is the fucking afraid question?

1028
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 3>He asked that I feel is it was.

1029
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Like what would you do if you were if.

1030
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:33.320
<v Speaker 3>You were no fear? I get, I do a little

1031
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:37.840
<v Speaker 3>bit get that question. I don't like to apply it

1032
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:41.360
<v Speaker 3>to like business or whatever, but like just to get

1033
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:45.400
<v Speaker 3>yourself thinking why not? Why not?

1034
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:51.519
<v Speaker 4>Why not apply that to business and professional life.

1035
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Because they're well, not just because it's like what where

1036
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 3>the message is coming and what the intention behind me

1037
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:03.639
<v Speaker 3>asking myself that is, but because uh, like a little

1038
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:09.519
<v Speaker 3>fear I think is is good and necessary and also.

1039
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 4>Well the book says that too, and it's.

1040
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 3>Making me think good. It's making me it makes me.

1041
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:17.719
<v Speaker 4>The question makes me feel like.

1042
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.840
<v Speaker 3>That the reason like why I don't have success or

1043
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing well is just because I'm not thinking

1044
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 3>big enough, which is which completely ignores, like I said,

1045
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:34.639
<v Speaker 3>structural issues like which it ignores, like class issues like

1046
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.079
<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of people that it is not

1047
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:41.360
<v Speaker 3>easy to move between jobs for ignores disability discrimination, it

1048
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.320
<v Speaker 3>ignores so many things.

1049
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 4>Book, but if I repeat the same story five times,

1050
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:50.000
<v Speaker 4>it can only fit in.

1051
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:55.039
<v Speaker 3>So sure, Sure, but I think I was trying to say, yeah.

1052
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.960
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, here's why someone might have a little fear.

1053
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess is like I'm this is probably stupid, Like

1054
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I feel dumb even saying this, but like your job is, yeah,

1055
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>there's that fear, uh stupid, But like if your job

1056
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:14.440
<v Speaker 1>is tied to your health care, providing health care for

1057
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.039
<v Speaker 1>your family and you maybe you have dependents that are

1058
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.639
<v Speaker 1>relying on that healthcare and so like such a stupid

1059
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:22.079
<v Speaker 1>but like.

1060
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:24.880
<v Speaker 4>That healthcare.

1061
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:30.320
<v Speaker 1>There though, then I wasn't able to keep that child safe.

1062
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:34.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's you're right, it's just because I'm here,

1063
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I think too small.

1064
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.400
<v Speaker 3>I guess I think too much too much.

1065
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.079
<v Speaker 4>What I'm not a way from it was not you

1066
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.679
<v Speaker 4>always have to burn down your life and your pile

1067
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:52.880
<v Speaker 4>of cheese. More So, what I took was if someone

1068
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:59.719
<v Speaker 4>moves your cheese, there is something else out there, like you,

1069
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:04.039
<v Speaker 4>you don't have to be paralyzed by the fear that

1070
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.679
<v Speaker 4>your cheese being gone is the end of you ever

1071
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:07.480
<v Speaker 4>having cheese.

1072
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds like a message from somebody who was

1073
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.840
<v Speaker 2>going to be a doctor and chose not to and

1074
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:14.239
<v Speaker 2>found success business.

1075
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:21.840
<v Speaker 3>It's toxic positivity, Like it's it's using positivity in a

1076
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 3>way that's like overall like negative because you're like it

1077
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:34.440
<v Speaker 3>undermines like what actually people go through essentially, like, oh,

1078
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.599
<v Speaker 3>if something horrible happens, like I guess we're talking about

1079
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:41.039
<v Speaker 3>the fucking cheese. Your cheese was taken away, Like there

1080
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:45.480
<v Speaker 3>there's probably I don't I think it's bad. Sure, blame

1081
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:50.360
<v Speaker 3>the victim mentality. I feel like he's essentially saying, like, oh,

1082
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 3>people struggling with change, you're just afraid or lazy. But

1083
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:58.599
<v Speaker 3>it ignores like trauma not having the support to like

1084
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.519
<v Speaker 3>get through with this, or like like John was saying,

1085
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:04.280
<v Speaker 3>you like maybe now you don't have healthcare, so now

1086
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 3>these other issues are now arising because they were tied

1087
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:08.960
<v Speaker 3>to the cheese.

1088
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.599
<v Speaker 2>What if we take this as a very literal metaphor,

1089
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and imagine that the food bank you rely on no

1090
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.079
<v Speaker 2>longer gives out food one day, I think it would

1091
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:28.599
<v Speaker 2>be reasonable to say why, and perhaps we could visit

1092
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.599
<v Speaker 2>the people in charge. Well, that might motivate.

1093
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:34.400
<v Speaker 3>And get closed down. Yeah what happened? I think I.

1094
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Would vote otherwise. I'll tell you what I do things

1095
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:42.159
<v Speaker 2>that mice couldn't do.

1096
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, Yeah, sure, you know.

1097
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't like if I'm sensing that the food bank

1098
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 1>is like deliveries are slowing down a little bit, probably

1099
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna keep going and just like see what's up,

1100
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Maybe try to talk to somebody, kind of hand bite it.

1101
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, obsessed, you should be biting. I just think we

1102
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:07.880
<v Speaker 3>all should.

1103
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Be biting the hand. We all should have a lot

1104
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of hands as well.

1105
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.519
<v Speaker 3>Get those fingers off one by one. I just really

1106
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:19.039
<v Speaker 3>hated the like ending with Michael being like talking about

1107
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.559
<v Speaker 3>like a firing Hammond. I don't know, it's just basically

1108
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:25.760
<v Speaker 3>like it was just so pro capitalism and just like

1109
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:30.519
<v Speaker 3>that concept of oh, you have to just keep chasing,

1110
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:34.199
<v Speaker 3>keep chasing, keep chasing, and it's like okay, slow down,

1111
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Like I think it's okay to say, like slow down,

1112
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 3>what is this why is this cheese moving? Like? Is

1113
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:42.559
<v Speaker 3>this is this a good system for us to be

1114
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:43.119
<v Speaker 3>living in?

1115
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Like I just I like what I hit on a moment.

1116
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I agree that the okay, questioning who moved my cheese

1117
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 2>is where men and mice. Men and mice defer and

1118
01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:05.639
<v Speaker 2>the fact that if we find out removed it and why,

1119
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.400
<v Speaker 2>we can do something to get a better right, right,

1120
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the mice have to just look elsewhere they have to.

1121
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Their brains are bad.

1122
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 4>But just as a small counter, Okay, Sometimes in life

1123
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:25.679
<v Speaker 4>there isn't always a satisfying answer that you can tracked

1124
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.039
<v Speaker 4>on of like why your cheese was moved? Like maybe

1125
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:33.320
<v Speaker 4>your company had mass layoffs. That's nothing you could do

1126
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.239
<v Speaker 4>differently to prove. I mean, unless you were like the

1127
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.920
<v Speaker 4>CEO maybe, But like if you're among the line of

1128
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:45.639
<v Speaker 4>people that just is like, it's not you personally, right.

1129
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.239
<v Speaker 2>You still have to find your cheese, right, Okay, So

1130
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:53.079
<v Speaker 2>this is for those specific business moments, is that one?

1131
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 4>But like I think so many times in life that

1132
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:57.559
<v Speaker 4>is true.

1133
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, someone breaks up with you, you don't want to

1134
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:01.239
<v Speaker 2>know why.

1135
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.480
<v Speaker 3>I feel like the why is important of Like, I mean,

1136
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I get you're right that it's not always satisfying. Somebody

1137
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.559
<v Speaker 3>could ghost you, you never see them again. Whatever, But

1138
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.440
<v Speaker 3>like it still is, You're still gonna need closure in

1139
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.440
<v Speaker 3>some way from that situation. You're gonna want it, to

1140
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.719
<v Speaker 3>learn a lesson from it. You're not just gonna gonna

1141
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 3>like again, I guess scurry away into the next thing,

1142
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.039
<v Speaker 3>like you're gonna take You're gonna be more cautious. You're

1143
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:26.079
<v Speaker 3>gonna be like why were there layoffs in that job?

1144
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Do I want to get another similar job because of that?

1145
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:31.760
<v Speaker 3>The way there was so easily able to throw me aside?

1146
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Like do I want to keep working in TV?

1147
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Why am I doing this to myself? Why? Why

1148
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:39.039
<v Speaker 3>am I doing this?

1149
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Like all the TVs are moldy, and I need to

1150
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:44.320
<v Speaker 1>investigate further.

1151
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.599
<v Speaker 3>I need to find the hand They they're all gone,

1152
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 3>they're leaving. They look they seem like they've all left

1153
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.360
<v Speaker 3>the United States. There's cheese in the United States.

1154
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, had just smash art cheese.

1155
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:57.559
<v Speaker 3>Is this is this real cheese or is it artificial

1156
01:01:57.840 --> 01:01:59.119
<v Speaker 3>intelligence cheese?

1157
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:00.000
<v Speaker 4>Exactly?

1158
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:04.440
<v Speaker 1>And why are all the cheeses owned by crafts?

1159
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 4>Now?

1160
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.280
<v Speaker 1>You see all kinds of cheeses. Now just craft has

1161
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:11.599
<v Speaker 1>all the cheeses and they're starting to do pharmacy prescriptions

1162
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:15.599
<v Speaker 1>as well, concerns us. And again, maybe there's someone we

1163
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:17.519
<v Speaker 1>need to send to a guillotine that's.

1164
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:18.480
<v Speaker 4>All insane, yea.

1165
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean again, I do think the message of like, okay,

1166
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.719
<v Speaker 3>you you know, moving we need to all move on

1167
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:29.840
<v Speaker 3>eventually is like simple, simple and sure, but like just

1168
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.159
<v Speaker 3>the way it's wrapped up makes it like so much

1169
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.440
<v Speaker 3>more toxic. I think, no good book.

1170
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good question though, go.

1171
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Ahead, go ahead.

1172
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say it was frustrating to me

1173
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:47.239
<v Speaker 2>because I feel like I could have written a much

1174
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 2>more fun people in amaze business parable like using with

1175
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:59.559
<v Speaker 2>some rules in place of the world like yeah, the

1176
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.760
<v Speaker 2>fuck is you know? I think we all could have.

1177
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:06.119
<v Speaker 2>I think anyone could have. And so that was frustrating

1178
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 2>too to listen to him do a bad job with

1179
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:11.360
<v Speaker 2>an idea that could have been interesting or fun even

1180
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:14.880
<v Speaker 2>you to make them. I want to make them like mice,

1181
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:16.480
<v Speaker 2>make it fun. It could have been funny.

1182
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Even they could just be two different types of mice.

1183
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:21.559
<v Speaker 1>They could still they could have all been mice.

1184
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Mice wore running shoes that some of them ice wore

1185
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:28.039
<v Speaker 2>running shoes. What the fuck was that?

1186
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they had two running shoes or four

1187
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.599
<v Speaker 1>by the way, because it's they tied their sneakers around

1188
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:37.239
<v Speaker 1>their neck, so I'm picturing two shoes looped over their neck. Look,

1189
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:39.559
<v Speaker 1>mice have four feet.

1190
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.480
<v Speaker 3>It's confusing because we're assuming these are real mice, so

1191
01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:44.960
<v Speaker 3>I would say four shoes. But then also, I've never

1192
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.199
<v Speaker 3>seen myce sneakers, so I don't know what this world

1193
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I know it's.

1194
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:55.880
<v Speaker 4>Really I don't know. I imagine sneakers. They're standing up

1195
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:58.280
<v Speaker 4>on their back legs.

1196
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well that's not how a mouse all that's wrong.

1197
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.719
<v Speaker 2>So their nose is now not uh near the ground

1198
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.960
<v Speaker 2>picking up the normal sense that would help the mouse.

1199
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:14.800
<v Speaker 2>That's I hate what's the author's name? I hate him?

1200
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Spencer.

1201
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I hate Spencer, hate him.

1202
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:23.199
<v Speaker 4>I do want to Oh sorry, I do really want

1203
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:28.679
<v Speaker 4>to talk about the construction of this book. We've touched

1204
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:31.079
<v Speaker 4>on it, but I really need to lay into it

1205
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:34.280
<v Speaker 4>because I've complimented the book too much.

1206
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Which infuriating amount infuriating him.

1207
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.880
<v Speaker 3>No, I appreciate it. I appreciate. I appreciate it. I

1208
01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:44.039
<v Speaker 3>appreciate the appreciate point of view.

1209
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Bounce off, appreciate it one.

1210
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:53.039
<v Speaker 4>Okay, the book I read, I assume we all had

1211
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:58.079
<v Speaker 4>the same version. It starts with an introduction and the

1212
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.320
<v Speaker 4>person doing the introduction is talk about how much they

1213
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:05.519
<v Speaker 4>like the book, and then they explain what the book is,

1214
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 4>like detailed, explain. It's like it'll be three parts. We

1215
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:15.519
<v Speaker 4>have people there in their the like college reunion, then

1216
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:17.800
<v Speaker 4>you'll have the mouse story. Then you'll have the college

1217
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:21.079
<v Speaker 4>reunion people talking again, and it also tells you like

1218
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:24.280
<v Speaker 4>the content of the book, and then you you get

1219
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:26.960
<v Speaker 4>into the story and you're at part one where it's

1220
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.159
<v Speaker 4>the college reunion and they're like, as Sarah touched on

1221
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:35.840
<v Speaker 4>very brilliantly in her summary, they're very poorly instiltedly talking

1222
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.440
<v Speaker 4>about they're just like saying what the message of the

1223
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 4>story is.

1224
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.119
<v Speaker 3>So then you get right, then you.

1225
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:48.719
<v Speaker 4>Get the story which is told crazily with the mice

1226
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.960
<v Speaker 4>and the people, and then the people of the college reunion.

1227
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:55.159
<v Speaker 4>They resume again.

1228
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Then today right.

1229
01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:01.360
<v Speaker 4>To like reflect and it's like you just had this

1230
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:08.639
<v Speaker 4>conversation yesterday. They have the same conversation again again explaining

1231
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:10.679
<v Speaker 4>like what the book was and when it meant and

1232
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:16.920
<v Speaker 4>then and then there was an afterward to the book

1233
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:23.639
<v Speaker 4>that once again told the story and what it was about,

1234
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:27.519
<v Speaker 4>and all of this is packed into one hour and

1235
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:33.079
<v Speaker 4>twenty nine minutes an audio, Like five times six times

1236
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:35.719
<v Speaker 4>you hear this story?

1237
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Could you hear it more?

1238
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't need the people at college.

1239
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:44.039
<v Speaker 3>I didn't need that. But oh wait, I didn't really

1240
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.719
<v Speaker 3>like I forgot at the end. I can't remember Carlos

1241
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.880
<v Speaker 3>so what I can't remember which one was like, oh,

1242
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:52.719
<v Speaker 3>I worked for my family business, but it's gone out

1243
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.960
<v Speaker 3>of business because the big box store. And then he

1244
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:58.199
<v Speaker 3>was like his takeaway wasn't like anything about like capitalism

1245
01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.320
<v Speaker 3>or like you know, Walmart moved in and kicked the

1246
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:03.360
<v Speaker 3>little guy out. He was just like it was my fault.

1247
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.119
<v Speaker 3>I should we should have done something to prepare when

1248
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:07.800
<v Speaker 3>it was like, I don't know if there's anything you

1249
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:11.679
<v Speaker 3>can do to fight Walmart, Like.

1250
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Like you takeaway was like the big box store came

1251
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:15.559
<v Speaker 1>in and we just kept trying to operate our store.

1252
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:21.559
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, I don't sorry, that's not.

1253
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:25.079
<v Speaker 4>The only way out of that situation is to you've

1254
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:29.639
<v Speaker 4>got mail it. Yeah, fall in love with mister Walton.

1255
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Right, but your business doesn't your business her store is

1256
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:33.199
<v Speaker 3>still get shut down.

1257
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:38.239
<v Speaker 4>Though, Yeah, they incorporate you a little bit.

1258
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:40.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you get to have your little corner of the

1259
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:42.599
<v Speaker 3>big box store. Yeah, sure, you're right.

1260
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:44.480
<v Speaker 1>What he should have done was as soon as the

1261
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:48.800
<v Speaker 1>big box store came into town, shut down your business.

1262
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:49.119
<v Speaker 3>Run.

1263
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, go you know, don't know where, but you get

1264
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:54.199
<v Speaker 1>out of here.

1265
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Just ship, just ship as you run.

1266
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

1267
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.360
<v Speaker 1>So my big question for you all is are you

1268
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:16.680
<v Speaker 1>sniff scurry him or haw?

1269
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:21.119
<v Speaker 3>Wow? We eat Captain one?

1270
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Wet my cheese?

1271
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Gang?

1272
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.680
<v Speaker 4>I okay, maybe this is why I took so much

1273
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:30.439
<v Speaker 4>from the book.

1274
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:32.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, my god.

1275
01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Do you think of yourself as I think of myself

1276
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:36.000
<v Speaker 1>as Hem?

1277
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

1278
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course.

1279
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:42.319
<v Speaker 4>The hero no Hem's the stupid one, the one you

1280
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:43.000
<v Speaker 4>don't want to be.

1281
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:47.479
<v Speaker 2>Okay, the one who's afraid, doesn't he gets brave, but

1282
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.239
<v Speaker 2>he gets brave, and he's the main character Sabrina.

1283
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.199
<v Speaker 3>Sabrina connect to him because Haim has the main character energy,

1284
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:56.600
<v Speaker 3>and that's what she was connected to.

1285
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Ham is described as a leggy, yet dusty five seven redhead,

1286
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.279
<v Speaker 1>little little number.

1287
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:08.399
<v Speaker 3>That's me.

1288
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Five seven is unattractive, So I don't think that would

1289
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:12.159
<v Speaker 2>ever be in a.

1290
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Discri five middle leaders seven Wait, middle leaders.

1291
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:22.760
<v Speaker 2>That's how blood is in there. Oh my god.

1292
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so any takers haw, sniff, scurry.

1293
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:32.880
<v Speaker 3>I can't be sniff because I have allergies.

1294
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll tell you I'm no sniff.

1295
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll be sniff, but I don't think it

1296
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:39.439
<v Speaker 2>really suits me.

1297
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.199
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it suits you either, but probably do

1298
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.920
<v Speaker 4>you guys think I'm also sniff? Do you think I'm

1299
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:46.960
<v Speaker 4>all the characters?

1300
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:47.359
<v Speaker 3>Is that?

1301
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:49.079
<v Speaker 2>No? No, no one's.

1302
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Saying that's talking about you.

1303
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:53.359
<v Speaker 3>Moved on from you. That's crazy.

1304
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:55.680
<v Speaker 5>It's just like.

1305
01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Sarah, I think you're more of a sniff I do

1306
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.039
<v Speaker 1>out of me and Clara, I think you're a bit

1307
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:03.199
<v Speaker 1>more of a sniff.

1308
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:07.159
<v Speaker 3>All right, I don't. I don't know whether I feel insulted.

1309
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:10.279
<v Speaker 3>You don't seem to be giving in any sort of

1310
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:18.039
<v Speaker 3>positive spin. So it's not me so obviously, that dumb

1311
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:23.239
<v Speaker 3>fucking mouse that is like fine things? Is it because

1312
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:26.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm constantly sniffing for a new job because I don't

1313
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.359
<v Speaker 3>have a consistent job out of the four of us.

1314
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:31.520
<v Speaker 3>If so, I understand your argument, and I don't agree

1315
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:32.359
<v Speaker 3>that it's fair.

1316
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:35.800
<v Speaker 1>About it, Well, I'm a little bit more of a scurry.

1317
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:40.399
<v Speaker 1>Panic sets out. This was the inevitable thing has happened.

1318
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I raised make an immediate, urgent decision. It's a bad one.

1319
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:47.000
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

1320
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I was going to be a Hall.

1321
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess you're wait. Wait is Hall? Wait? Haul

1322
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.399
<v Speaker 3>is the one that Sabrina wanted to be no.

1323
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:02.239
<v Speaker 4>Room, you know?

1324
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:04.560
<v Speaker 3>And I'm sorry, I got I thought Sabrina was saying

1325
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:05.000
<v Speaker 3>she wanted to.

1326
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:09.359
<v Speaker 4>Be respected as much by.

1327
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:10.760
<v Speaker 3>The way I was said main character energy.

1328
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:13.079
<v Speaker 4>I got ye, But I agree that I'm the main

1329
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.000
<v Speaker 4>character kind of regardless of.

1330
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:19.840
<v Speaker 3>What my I don't have him at all. How I

1331
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:20.359
<v Speaker 3>was him?

1332
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Wait, now, I'm how you.

1333
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Are.

1334
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:29.439
<v Speaker 6>Now I take a risk and you throw move to

1335
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:34.520
<v Speaker 6>New York and moved to It was scary, Okay, I

1336
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:35.840
<v Speaker 6>love to throw.

1337
01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:38.159
<v Speaker 3>Him to die.

1338
01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:39.720
<v Speaker 2>And if.

1339
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:48.359
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it, you were the least him. I'm sorry,

1340
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:49.800
<v Speaker 3>just think.

1341
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.840
<v Speaker 4>You No, I don't feel that way. I feel like

1342
01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:55.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm afraid of change.

1343
01:11:56.960 --> 01:11:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

1344
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.680
<v Speaker 4>And at the end of the book, which this is

1345
01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:07.680
<v Speaker 4>how much I don't know self awareness I have. At

1346
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.119
<v Speaker 4>the end of the book, when they're all chatting amongst

1347
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:11.960
<v Speaker 4>each other or I don't remember which part it was,

1348
01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:14.600
<v Speaker 4>but it was like when you ask people do you

1349
01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:18.279
<v Speaker 4>think you're afraid of change and everybody's like no, and

1350
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:20.439
<v Speaker 4>then there then they're like, do you think most other

1351
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:23.199
<v Speaker 4>people are afraid of change? And they're like yeah, and

1352
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:24.319
<v Speaker 4>then they're like ha.

1353
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:24.359
<v Speaker 5>Ha ha.

1354
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:28.199
<v Speaker 4>Because we don't see it in ourselves, but I see

1355
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:29.920
<v Speaker 4>it in myself. I am afraid of change.

1356
01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Did you cry at any point reading this book?

1357
01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:34.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm on a lot of hormone.

1358
01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Can't be blamed. Can't be blamed for that, all right.

1359
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:49.079
<v Speaker 3>There have been a lot of like a god satire

1360
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:52.920
<v Speaker 3>parodies to this book. I don't even feel like getting

1361
01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:56.439
<v Speaker 3>into it. It's something interesting. Wow, this book.

1362
01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Fuck.

1363
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:00.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad I've never been giving into it. Given this

1364
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:01.159
<v Speaker 3>book at work.

1365
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:05.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad no one has ever gifted me this book.

1366
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I would be terrified, but remain frozen.

1367
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:12.840
<v Speaker 3>I need, you know what I need to ask. I

1368
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:17.199
<v Speaker 3>need to ask my dad if he ever had to employees,

1369
01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:19.439
<v Speaker 3>and if so, I need to have a conversation with him.

1370
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:21.960
<v Speaker 3>I need to have a deep conversation.

1371
01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:25.640
<v Speaker 2>That's fun because it'll start off really light, like I

1372
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:28.600
<v Speaker 2>read this club. Did you ever get this to your employees?

1373
01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:31.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be like, you are toxic? You want to go,

1374
01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:39.760
<v Speaker 3>which is fair? Yeah, all right, guys, you ready to

1375
01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:46.000
<v Speaker 3>that's ready for five star reviews? Do it all right?

1376
01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:49.399
<v Speaker 3>Here we go. This one comes from our Chit says

1377
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:53.079
<v Speaker 3>change or get run over. A great many people have

1378
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.119
<v Speaker 3>recommended this particular one to me. I did not read.

1379
01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:01.520
<v Speaker 3>We might be the best species, but sometimes we overprocess

1380
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:04.279
<v Speaker 3>adapting and forecasting. Change lurking around the corner is a

1381
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:07.760
<v Speaker 3>mark of sheer greatness. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

1382
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.800
<v Speaker 2>It's so frustrating, Like if he's just trying to say

1383
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.920
<v Speaker 2>we overthink, I really think a different metaphor would.

1384
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.720
<v Speaker 3>Here, and he says verdict. Spencer Johnson hits the bullseye

1385
01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:21.720
<v Speaker 3>in a sixty minute book. Wow, it was confusing because

1386
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:22.880
<v Speaker 3>you said he didn't read it, but.

1387
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Then reviewed it fifty minutes.

1388
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Kat can't believe it took me only about an hour

1389
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:30.920
<v Speaker 3>to finish this book. Wow, this book is truly what

1390
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:32.199
<v Speaker 3>I need finishing it.

1391
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Thank you to the author for quotes every time I

1392
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:37.680
<v Speaker 1>say book is a book.

1393
01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:40.000
<v Speaker 3>I know they love. Thank you to the author for

1394
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:42.640
<v Speaker 3>such an inspired and motivational story. Maybe it's finally time

1395
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:44.880
<v Speaker 3>I realized it's necessary for me to find my own

1396
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:49.119
<v Speaker 3>cheese and get into that maze out there. Smiley face.

1397
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we want to get into the maze. I'm not

1398
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:56.399
<v Speaker 2>currently in and I wish I was in amaze. Pissed.

1399
01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm pissed. No, we should be pissed, I says, I'm

1400
01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:01.239
<v Speaker 3>in love with this book. It's really really will help

1401
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:04.880
<v Speaker 3>me with my career and personal and personal. I will

1402
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:08.920
<v Speaker 3>read it a long time. I write, sorry, it's not

1403
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.359
<v Speaker 3>the best grammar. I read it a long time ago.

1404
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:14.760
<v Speaker 3>But as they say, better late than never. What that

1405
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:15.600
<v Speaker 3>doesn't make sense?

1406
01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:20.199
<v Speaker 4>That's better for me to write this review than never?

1407
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:24.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh that much? Okay, okay, okay, all right, sure, but

1408
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:27.159
<v Speaker 3>they're in love with it, all right? So yeah, again,

1409
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:29.199
<v Speaker 3>I can't believe people like this book.

1410
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:35.520
<v Speaker 4>It's I'm thinking about that review. Maybe the last episode

1411
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:38.279
<v Speaker 4>or the person was like, I can't believe I never

1412
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:40.000
<v Speaker 4>wrote a good Reads review on that.

1413
01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I want to. It's it's just such a half

1414
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.279
<v Speaker 3>thought that I'm glad we experienced it with them, all right,

1415
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:52.479
<v Speaker 3>you guys ready for hate rates?

1416
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll just do it zero to five.

1417
01:15:57.199 --> 01:15:57.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

1418
01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:59.159
<v Speaker 2>I know it was short. I know it was short,

1419
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:02.960
<v Speaker 2>but it was really annoying and it was so short

1420
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:05.680
<v Speaker 2>that I sort of had my expectations of an instant

1421
01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:09.560
<v Speaker 2>of it to be instant, not painful. Here we go,

1422
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:12.399
<v Speaker 2>We're done, but we were never done. It still went,

1423
01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it still lasted, It was still unpleasant. I still had

1424
01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:18.319
<v Speaker 2>to be like, I still finish the book like that

1425
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:19.399
<v Speaker 2>still happened to me.

1426
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Zeroo five Yeah, oh good.

1427
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give it a one out of five for

1428
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:29.479
<v Speaker 1>the reason of tricking me into thinking it would be

1429
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:33.079
<v Speaker 1>easier to read than it would because it was so short. Yeah,

1430
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:35.399
<v Speaker 1>like same boat as Clara. It's just rude to be

1431
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:38.399
<v Speaker 1>that short. And then but you're you are still time

1432
01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:39.560
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't like that.

1433
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:44.439
<v Speaker 3>This is interesting. I'm also gonna give it a one

1434
01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:46.560
<v Speaker 3>out of five. I actually think it gets a point

1435
01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:49.760
<v Speaker 3>because it's so short. I didn't have any issues get

1436
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:51.960
<v Speaker 3>fighting that hour and a half or whatever to read

1437
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:57.960
<v Speaker 3>the book. I understood it. But I also like, I

1438
01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:00.760
<v Speaker 3>guess part within that point is I do think there's

1439
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:05.199
<v Speaker 3>some kernels of maybe something like try not to be

1440
01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:07.800
<v Speaker 3>afraid to move on. I don't know. It's not necessarily

1441
01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:10.319
<v Speaker 3>a bad thing, but the whole story was so poorly written.

1442
01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:13.399
<v Speaker 3>It was entertaining. It was almost like fun because it

1443
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.560
<v Speaker 3>was so bad. Yeah, that's to make me think I

1444
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:18.640
<v Speaker 3>should push it to two. I'm gonna keep Oh, I'm

1445
01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:20.039
<v Speaker 3>gonna push it to one and a half. I'm gonna

1446
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:22.560
<v Speaker 3>push it to one and a half because I thought

1447
01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:24.760
<v Speaker 3>this was fun. I thought it was so bad it

1448
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:26.159
<v Speaker 3>was it got to be a little fun.

1449
01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:32.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go three out of five. One point certainly

1450
01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:39.000
<v Speaker 4>for the brevity, one point for I listen. I think

1451
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:42.079
<v Speaker 4>there was something to get out of this if you,

1452
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:45.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, if you just if you look past the

1453
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:51.479
<v Speaker 4>toxicity of the positivity, I think there's value in the positivity.

1454
01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Whole book.

1455
01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:57.800
<v Speaker 5>This is my time.

1456
01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just had a question I thought you could

1457
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:05.399
<v Speaker 2>answer in your time. Now I'm vamping.

1458
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:11.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, look it it being a

1459
01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:14.279
<v Speaker 4>pamphlet that made its way onto the New York Times

1460
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:19.760
<v Speaker 4>Bestseller thus qualifying it as a New York Times book

1461
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:23.760
<v Speaker 4>that we could read. Incredible, truly a feat of genius.

1462
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:28.199
<v Speaker 4>And for the thing that Sarah said at the end there,

1463
01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:34.640
<v Speaker 4>the truly horrific writing really amped it up and made

1464
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:35.680
<v Speaker 4>it a good time for me.

1465
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:41.439
<v Speaker 3>You can use the word change so many times like

1466
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:45.319
<v Speaker 3>a paragraph. It was like change. We didn't read any

1467
01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:47.479
<v Speaker 3>of it I feel I mean, this is partly probably

1468
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:49.479
<v Speaker 3>because we'd all did audiobook and it wasn't easy to

1469
01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:52.000
<v Speaker 3>pull quotes, but like, we really probably could have read

1470
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:53.960
<v Speaker 3>half this book in this podcast.

1471
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:57.319
<v Speaker 1>I actually think I could have read the entire book

1472
01:18:57.399 --> 01:18:58.319
<v Speaker 1>in the length of this.

1473
01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Podcast fully and just laughed and laughed as we read.

1474
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:09.199
<v Speaker 3>All Right, I guess it's it's time for little fucker

1475
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:12.079
<v Speaker 3>of the cast.

1476
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Look around, Johnny. You were really funny tonight. Everyone was funny. Johnny,

1477
01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:23.720
<v Speaker 2>you were like unusual for you. Level. No, I'm trying

1478
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:26.520
<v Speaker 2>not to insult the others. Well, I tell you you

1479
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:27.600
<v Speaker 2>were really funny.

1480
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:29.840
<v Speaker 1>To come and insult to me sort of, but no,

1481
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:32.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm process.

1482
01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, you understand what I'm trying to do. I'm

1483
01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:37.279
<v Speaker 2>not trying to I'm trying to see.

1484
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:39.760
<v Speaker 3>That you were feel like you're trying to do something.

1485
01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:40.800
<v Speaker 3>It didn't seem like you're.

1486
01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Trying to try to tell you were funny with Lara

1487
01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.239
<v Speaker 2>making it seem like the other people weren't funny.

1488
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Clara, Clara, Clara, can you remind me when you

1489
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:52.359
<v Speaker 3>were earlier you made you said something, then you then

1490
01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:55.960
<v Speaker 3>I said something, and then instead of continuing, you were

1491
01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:57.239
<v Speaker 3>like let me go back to what I said, and

1492
01:19:57.319 --> 01:19:59.840
<v Speaker 3>let me say it again. Do you remember what you

1493
01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:02.039
<v Speaker 3>were talking about something about It.

1494
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Was the metaphor of the food food.

1495
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Bank, right, and you were like they should be asking

1496
01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:13.319
<v Speaker 3>why the food bank's gone, right, like what happened to

1497
01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:16.319
<v Speaker 3>the food bank? And you're like, that's it. And I

1498
01:20:16.359 --> 01:20:19.399
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to say I'm voting for you.

1499
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Because I thought I was.

1500
01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:25.760
<v Speaker 3>Because you were. You came back to say something as

1501
01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:27.880
<v Speaker 3>though it was an original point, and I'm pretty sure

1502
01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:31.359
<v Speaker 3>I had said multiple times the point that the question

1503
01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:33.800
<v Speaker 3>who moved the cheese is a very good question.

1504
01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought I was backing you up. I thought

1505
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:38.680
<v Speaker 2>it was explaining it to Sabrina, who.

1506
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:42.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm sticking with my guns. It felt like it felt

1507
01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:47.760
<v Speaker 3>like you were coming up with your own original point point.

1508
01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:51.880
<v Speaker 2>My intent, I thought. I not my intent I.

1509
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:55.159
<v Speaker 5>Was.

1510
01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:58.399
<v Speaker 2>I thought I had a nice way of explaining it

1511
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:03.239
<v Speaker 2>for those two Thick the hit Okay, what you're saying.

1512
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:04.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna take this time to get my vote, which

1513
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:08.600
<v Speaker 4>before this was going to be Clara. But that is

1514
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:15.840
<v Speaker 4>super Clara for calling me stupid, I said, thick in

1515
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:16.239
<v Speaker 4>the head.

1516
01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, you also said you.

1517
01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:22.239
<v Speaker 4>Were backing her off to explain a point that I

1518
01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:27.359
<v Speaker 4>wasn't getting, as though I was just too dumb to

1519
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:31.239
<v Speaker 4>understand the point. It seemed like that was the situation,

1520
01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:36.359
<v Speaker 4>but my mind original, the book, my original. Oh and

1521
01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:41.520
<v Speaker 4>then also you interrupted my my vote for my hate rate,

1522
01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:46.079
<v Speaker 4>but the original reason was the hate incident and.

1523
01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:47.439
<v Speaker 1>My god.

1524
01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Refusing to Clara, do you want to change your vote?

1525
01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:55.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean I kind of wish I could. I you're

1526
01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:58.239
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna get me about that? I'm sorry.

1527
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:01.840
<v Speaker 2>We going to ask through Patreon. We want to do

1528
01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>more polls on Patreon. We can ask who was confused

1529
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:07.279
<v Speaker 2>about the spelling of someone talking about a t shop

1530
01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:10.319
<v Speaker 2>called hay t Yeah, and it will prove our point

1531
01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:11.600
<v Speaker 2>nicely that no one wants.

1532
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:16.479
<v Speaker 1>Serena. I want to say thank you very much. Reminded

1533
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:19.359
<v Speaker 1>me of the hay Tea incident. My vote is already

1534
01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:26.439
<v Speaker 1>patting to Clara. But let's just say it started there

1535
01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and it went downhill.

1536
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:32.000
<v Speaker 2>This is such bush.

1537
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:35.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't usually vote first, but why now?

1538
01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:38.560
<v Speaker 2>This is ridiculous because of the hay Tea incident. Are

1539
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you talking about how do you spell it?

1540
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:44.399
<v Speaker 3>You didn't know?

1541
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:48.039
<v Speaker 4>And when you listen to the transfer, why you think

1542
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:50.920
<v Speaker 4>When you first asked the question, you didn't say it

1543
01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:53.119
<v Speaker 4>was a T shop. You said it was a jug question,

1544
01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:55.920
<v Speaker 4>and you said, have you guys heard of hay tea?

1545
01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:57.680
<v Speaker 4>And then I.

1546
01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Talked about Then I talked, well, you said you.

1547
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:05.720
<v Speaker 4>Could get cream, cheese, foam, But it wasn't. It just

1548
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.520
<v Speaker 4>wasn't as clear as you thought it was, and you

1549
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:11.039
<v Speaker 4>kept insisting into this hate moment for it.

1550
01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Look, I understand, I'm clear, still needs to put her

1551
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:20.960
<v Speaker 3>vote in, but it is I understand, we understand Claire

1552
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:22.800
<v Speaker 3>a little fuck of the gas, but I would.

1553
01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:23.039
<v Speaker 4>She is not.

1554
01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:26.960
<v Speaker 3>This hate tea thing is very silly. It was very

1555
01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:32.479
<v Speaker 3>clear what hay tea what most likely stood for, Like

1556
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:34.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't I still don't under Are you really arguing

1557
01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:37.640
<v Speaker 3>that it's h ai t Like what are you right

1558
01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:38.479
<v Speaker 3>now saying?

1559
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:45.239
<v Speaker 4>First of all, hey has multiple common spellings, tea has

1560
01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:50.880
<v Speaker 4>multiple commons, and haiti is its own word.

1561
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:55.000
<v Speaker 3>That is not. But when you're talking about even if

1562
01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:57.199
<v Speaker 3>we're even if you didn't hear the tea shop for

1563
01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:02.079
<v Speaker 3>some reason, we're talking about drinks, Okay, the concept spelling

1564
01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:06.399
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about, that's easy. Hey, are you honestly are

1565
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:08.880
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about h a y T.

1566
01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:12.640
<v Speaker 4>I see, okay, that's just what what am I thinking about?

1567
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>But then I said, it's just what it's like it is,

1568
01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:22.159
<v Speaker 2>hey t, it's normal, like it is normal. Yeah, that

1569
01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:27.359
<v Speaker 2>works when you're saying there's no funny app like spelling

1570
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:28.279
<v Speaker 2>of this that.

1571
01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>When you said that, Sam, that's that's a problem.

1572
01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's just that we're so.

1573
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:38.760
<v Speaker 4>Well read that like we Jesus, you know, we just

1574
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:39.960
<v Speaker 4>have a bigger vocabulary.

1575
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know my hate rape is I mean, my

1576
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:49.640
<v Speaker 2>little fucker is Sabrina The reasons really frustrating the way

1577
01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:53.600
<v Speaker 2>she defended the book really frustrating right now, Yeah, want

1578
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:56.560
<v Speaker 2>to hold her head underwater, not to death, just a

1579
01:24:56.600 --> 01:25:01.520
<v Speaker 2>little bit, jolo jo close second, Okay, Sarah's a close third.

1580
01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:05.159
<v Speaker 4>You're mad at everyone?

1581
01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>What's your second? Third, fourth? Little fucker? There's no need

1582
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>to do that.

1583
01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:13.319
<v Speaker 2>No, there wasn't a need.

1584
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:18.800
<v Speaker 3>Claire, Claire was voted little fucker. She's calm down, she's

1585
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:19.840
<v Speaker 3>allowed to lash out.

1586
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe Claire.

1587
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:26.880
<v Speaker 4>We're usually not on opposite sides, were usually not, so

1588
01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:29.720
<v Speaker 4>this does make prettiest princess hard.

1589
01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, No, we're not doing it. Last time.

1590
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:37.359
<v Speaker 4>The lie Just remember that pumped full of hormones. So

1591
01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:39.640
<v Speaker 4>if I don't get it, I'll probably.

1592
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Be really sad I'm voting for myself.

1593
01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1594
01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:47.479
<v Speaker 4>Wow, well I actually almost just cried.

1595
01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:50.159
<v Speaker 2>The prettiest princess on this cast.

1596
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess I remember I used to be like you,

1597
01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:56.399
<v Speaker 1>and I used to get vote a little fucker. You know,

1598
01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:00.359
<v Speaker 1>I'd lash out, I would come for people later and

1599
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:04.079
<v Speaker 1>like pass and you know, I'll just tell you good luck.

1600
01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:07.479
<v Speaker 3>For the next cheese.

1601
01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Is that the John is trying to bring up when

1602
01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:11.920
<v Speaker 2>she was a little funker the one time she's not

1603
01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:13.760
<v Speaker 2>voted for it, she brings up how she's.

1604
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Saying that's in my passage review obviously, But you know,

1605
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>I just I see, you see the mistakes are less

1606
01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:26.239
<v Speaker 1>mature little fucker might make. And I'm just worn to you,

1607
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:26.520
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1608
01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:30.199
<v Speaker 4>Claire on the wall?

1609
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:35.399
<v Speaker 3>Can we please? Are you little princess? Who? No, No,

1610
01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:37.479
<v Speaker 3>if it's tied, there's no little princess.

1611
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:43.720
<v Speaker 4>It's it's me And that's the ring because implement the

1612
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:45.439
<v Speaker 4>rules whenever you want, as long as you're still in

1613
01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:46.880
<v Speaker 4>the game. And I just did it.

1614
01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:50.279
<v Speaker 3>Okay, dude, clarity.

1615
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Yourself to me.

1616
01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:54.760
<v Speaker 1>So if it's for yourself.

1617
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.560
<v Speaker 3>So Claire, it's clear you can now invent a rule

1618
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:02.159
<v Speaker 3>that when Sabrina talks, what it means is opposite.

1619
01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Doing this.

1620
01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:07.800
<v Speaker 3>You didn't say that before.

1621
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:13.279
<v Speaker 4>Now I know we did, really, Clara didn't.

1622
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:16.159
<v Speaker 3>You can't but listen to me. That's the second rule though,

1623
01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:19.680
<v Speaker 3>So that doesn't that rule, doesn't that role?

1624
01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:24.079
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, yeah, no, no, I feel like we

1625
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.479
<v Speaker 2>all knew you couldn't do another one, and that's why

1626
01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:29.399
<v Speaker 2>I felt weird about it. So yeah, so that's why

1627
01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I stayed silent.

1628
01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Anything.

1629
01:27:32.279 --> 01:27:35.079
<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't be right if you abuse that.

1630
01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:36.199
<v Speaker 2>If you abuse that.

1631
01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Gentlemen made up all right, guys, I have no idea. Well,

1632
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:44.840
<v Speaker 3>check us out on Patreon. Become a patron like are

1633
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:49.199
<v Speaker 3>our good friend Patty winjub if you could like that

1634
01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:49.800
<v Speaker 3>last name.

1635
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:52.239
<v Speaker 2>By the way, it's got a sound to it.

1636
01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I think everyone or John and Sabrina know why. I'm

1637
01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:01.720
<v Speaker 3>suspicious of it being a fake right, No, Benjamin Benjamin

1638
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:02.520
<v Speaker 3>John Wyndam.

1639
01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is a fake name at all.

1640
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:09.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It's weird because when we were in

1641
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>college we used to chant the name Benjamin John.

1642
01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:16.880
<v Speaker 4>But that's a real person. But is a real person.

1643
01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:22.399
<v Speaker 3>But it's still to me. Why did you chance good?

1644
01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:24.159
<v Speaker 3>Don't remember at all.

1645
01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:25.520
<v Speaker 4>Benjamin John.

1646
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:27.279
<v Speaker 1>It's just a good name, Benjamin John.

1647
01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Wenjam your friend, you know.

1648
01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:36.079
<v Speaker 4>But he was like he generally like you know how

1649
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:36.760
<v Speaker 4>people have.

1650
01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:38.800
<v Speaker 3>That.

1651
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:40.039
<v Speaker 4>He was our great friend.

1652
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, all right, guys.

1653
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:49.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what book we're doing next? All right,

1654
01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:53.560
<v Speaker 3>next episode we have Beautiful Ugly Bye. Who's a bye?

1655
01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:58.640
<v Speaker 3>Alice Feeney, Oh, nailed it, Alice Feenie. Oh that's a

1656
01:28:58.680 --> 01:28:59.960
<v Speaker 3>good one, spooky.

1657
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:03.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I believe very good.

1658
01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Next episode we have Jimmy Jimmy Buffett book? Right?

1659
01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:11.680
<v Speaker 4>Where is Joe Merchant?

1660
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Joe didn't know he was a writer? Interested to

1661
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:19.520
<v Speaker 3>see that one? Read it, listen to it. I'll problem

1662
01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Wait does that one have one you could listen to? It?

1663
01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:23.680
<v Speaker 3>May be so I don't know that I have to

1664
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:27.199
<v Speaker 3>read the book. Oh god, Well, good luck to us

1665
01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:32.479
<v Speaker 3>and to you and uh yeah, that's it for the cast.

1666
01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:34.399
<v Speaker 3>We'll see you next time. Thank you guys so much

1667
01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:35.319
<v Speaker 3>for joining us.

1668
01:29:36.039 --> 01:30:03.359
<v Speaker 5>Bye bye.

1669
01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>As
