WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:01.960 Baby, I'm a gamesterato. 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:04.200 It takes at a tangle. 3 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:06.599 You don't want to mess with me. 4 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:15.240 Mess with me, baby, I'm a gangsta touch Baby, you're 5 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:16.000 a game. 6 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:26.679 Statue for the warners, This podcast is designed to take 7 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.839 you outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality. 8 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:37.840 Listening Discretion is a vibe. 9 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:39.640 What the fellas? 10 00:00:41.600 --> 00:01:16.319 This ain't my first time at the rodeoshm. 11 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:06.079 Hello, what is going on? Everybody? Welcome back to the show. 12 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:09.560 I hope the title of this episode was enough to 13 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:10.280 catch your attention. 14 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:11.959 Today. 15 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:12.719 I got a. 16 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:17.319 Real fucking kicker for you. Uh and shout out to 17 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:19.920 my sister. She's the one who sent this my way. 18 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.280 Maybe I'm totally behind the times and you guys already 19 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.200 know all about this shit, but it blew my mind. 20 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:29.480 So I wanted to share it with you, regardless of 21 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:31.680 if you had heard of it or not. 22 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:33.920 She sent me. 23 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:38.400 Something. It was like a link and then she said, 24 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.200 you have to listen to this right now. And a 25 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:43.840 lot of the times she sends me stuff and I'm like, okay, 26 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:47.840 this is one of those soccer mom conspiracy theory things, 27 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.239 and it's you know, whatever. I humor her. You know, 28 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:58.120 she's my sister gotta you gotta humor people sometimes, but 29 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:00.640 this one stuck out and it was some kind of 30 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:05.319 a sub stack something some shit and listen people. Yes, 31 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.599 I have a podcast, I do a little instagramming, a 32 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:13.680 little Facebook momming, but I don't really be up all 33 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.960 up in these different platforms. So I was like subs. 34 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:21.159 I don't even know what a substack is. But it 35 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:26.159 was like a little article called Don't Worry boys are 36 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:30.080 Hard to Find, and then it had all these audio 37 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:35.240 clips attached to it. Supposedly she published this. The author 38 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:40.639 published this on November twenty third, twenty twenty five. So yeah, 39 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.879 it's not brand new information, but it's fucking new to me. 40 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:49.840 And it started out with this scripture Luke twelve two 41 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:54.520 through three. However, nothing is covered up that will not 42 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:59.319 be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. Whatever 43 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.120 you have said in the dark will be heard in 44 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:05.919 the light, and whatever you have whispered in the inner 45 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:11.840 rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops. So the publisher's 46 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:17.840 note is these briefings contain first hand accounts of extreme 47 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:23.879 child trafficking, torture, rape and murder conducted within the Trump slash. 48 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:30.280 Epstein and associated criminal enterprises over the course of several decades. 49 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.759 This briefing is part one of two. It includes six 50 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:40.639 unedited audio recordings. I recorded the audio myself. The master 51 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.280 files remain in my custody. Copies of these recordings and 52 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:51.759 supporting documentation have been securely distributed to police. Ya Da 53 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.360 Da da da. 54 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:53.599 So. 55 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:59.759 It says, during the years Sasha Riley was trafficked within 56 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.919 the Trump Slash Epstein Ring, he was forced to perform 57 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:08.960 sexual acts during the filming of several child pornography films, 58 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.919 including a snuff film. He recalls at least ten to 59 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:19.560 twelve such films. During the snuff film shoot, Sasha Riley 60 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:24.480 saw a girl child shot and killed during filming. After 61 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:29.040 another film shoot, a girl child was taken to another room. 62 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:34.319 Sasha Riley recalls hearing gunshots. He said that when he 63 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.079 heard the gunshots, he was scared. He said that another 64 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:42.279 perpetrator still in the room with him, sensing his fear, 65 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:47.079 said don't worry, boys are hard to find. The films 66 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:52.439 were produced within the Trump Epstein Ring. And she attaches 67 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.279 the audio clips and she says, please listen to this 68 00:04:55.519 --> 00:05:02.120 testimony to discern the truth for yourself and and Yeah, 69 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:04.959 they talk about some stuff that I'm rolling my eyes 70 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:08.680 about with, like NASA and climate change and Joe Biden, 71 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.720 like he's not fucking part of all this. But I 72 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:17.439 want you to sit back, fucking do what you do. 73 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:23.759 Get some beer, wine, smoke, a little joints. You know, 74 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:32.519 you might want to find something a little bit heavier, Zoloft, lexapro, larazapam, Zannibard, 75 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.839 pop something, because this shit is wild and you're gonna 76 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:40.759 fucking need it. I'm just going to go ahead and 77 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.879 play you the audio clips. It's some crazy shit, you guys, 78 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.079 and you know, let me know your thoughts, feelings, opinions. 79 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:53.639 Is this the truth? Is this sky legit? Sasha Riley 80 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:59.639 never heard of this before, but we may finally get 81 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:05.319 them to why Trump has shitty diapers? 82 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:05.879 You know. 83 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.360 Sure people like to say it was a little uh 84 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:16.759 adderall abuse whatever. I have a friend who literally pops 85 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.079 adderall like it's going out of style, and she does 86 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:24.040 not shit her pants. So there's that. But let's get 87 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.600 right into it. I'm gonna play these clips there, long 88 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:30.720 ass fucking clips. This is gonna be a long episode, 89 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.480 but you know, break it up, do what you do. 90 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.560 Play it over the course of a couple of days, 91 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:40.680 but it's definitely worth listening to. We're gonna roll right 92 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.279 into it and I'll catch up with you on the 93 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:45.040 other side. 94 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:51.120 I'm just gonna start recording, and so I just want 95 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:55.240 to clarify in terms of date, July eighteenth, twenty twenty five. 96 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.879 My full name least well Folding and Riley. You want 97 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:06.879 to state your name. 98 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:08.720 And William, I'm sorry, go ahead, I didn't mean toruct. 99 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:12.319 My name is William Sasha Riley. I was born Manuel 100 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:17.639 Sasha Barbs, Okay, but my legal name is William Sasha 101 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:18.399 Riley at. 102 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:22.279 This time, okay. And I'm just so we're clear. I'm 103 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.160 based in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. I lived in the 104 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.000 United States full time for a bunch of years, but 105 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:32.759 I was brought up in Canada. My citizenships Commadian. 106 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:37.079 And we might be neighbors at some point because Canada 107 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.040 is right now number two on the list of the 108 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.560 countries that I am potentially going to move to. 109 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.160 You know, I think it's a good place to look. 110 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.959 There's a lot of there's a lot of Americans. Actually, 111 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.240 I've spoken to Americans that I've said is I've told 112 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.480 to come here, and there's lots of Americans that have 113 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:57.240 come to visit more and it's a lot more embracing 114 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.800 inclusive of a culture. So you know, it's quite lovely. 115 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:06.399 I recommend in terms of what my approach, really, what 116 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.079 I wanted to do is like to just really like 117 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.879 thorough discussion. You tell me everything that that you've been 118 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:19.360 wanting to say, and I'll ask some questions. This might 119 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:22.839 be one of like many how many discussions, and I'll 120 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.519 record them if it's one, if it's ten. And what 121 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:29.000 I'd like to do, I'm sort of recording with an 122 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:34.159 eye to a your testimony, getting your testimony of what 123 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.480 you experienced, what abuse you suffered, and what you were 124 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.039 witnessed to. And an I in terms of being able 125 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.399 to get into a format in terms of affidavits, whether 126 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:49.600 we look at getting help from the International Criminal Court, 127 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.799 because obviously what you know, you and I've discussed already, 128 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:57.840 there's definitely a whole lack of crimes that have been 129 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:02.480 getting committed by a lot of folks, and is even 130 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:05.440 a case where there could be crimes against community charges 131 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:11.159 in regards to Trump. So and what else I'd like 132 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.320 to do is I'd like to look at whether whether 133 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:21.039 you would be okay with you know me, like transcribing 134 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:27.600 and then publishing something. I published newsletters selectively. I have 135 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:30.600 a newsletter called Outlaws of Chivalry I published once in 136 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.080 a while, and I was looking at perhaps publishing there 137 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.759 if you're okay in terms of how it could help 138 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:41.799 us in terms of getting the right legal support in 139 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:43.840 terms of the International War Court. 140 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.039 I am. I am for whatever puts a light on 141 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.799 this because in my mind, the powers that be are 142 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:58.879 already aware of my position on it and aware that 143 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:04.200 I have spoken up. And you know, the more light 144 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:06.120 that is shed on there, I don't think that I'm 145 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:11.000 incurring more risk, except for some maybe lunatic that wants 146 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.759 to be a soldier for Donald Trump because they are 147 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:24.320 a little a little crazy, they're a little brainwashed. But yeah, yeah, 148 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.120 I don't mind whatever would bring a little bit more 149 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:32.480 light to this, particularly the stuff if we can get 150 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:34.639 some of this stuff verified, you know, and I know 151 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:38.759 that me speaking up is one thing, but then the 152 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:44.320 verification process, yeah, you know, it is important too. And 153 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:50.360 I have read about software where you know, facial recognition 154 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:58.799 software that taps into the banks of known catalog child pornography. 155 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.480 So if that the the films that they had me 156 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.200 make can be verified, you know, it's not something that 157 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:08.720 I can go online, but I am confident that it's 158 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:11.320 there because somebody that I served within the Army got 159 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:14.279 put out of the Army for child pornography in my 160 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.200 chain of command talked to me and they said, hey, 161 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.279 you know, some of these images, some of the films 162 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.600 or whatever that he had looked just like you. And 163 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:23.879 that was the first time I think I had ever 164 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:26.639 talked to anybody about having done those films. And I 165 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:28.799 told him, yes, when I was a child, I had 166 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:29.919 to do those things. 167 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:35.159 Yeah, let's talk a little bit more about that circumstance, Like, 168 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.639 so you were in the army. What years were you 169 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:38.279 in the army? 170 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:43.279 Then this would have been my second time in the Army. 171 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:47.279 I've rejoined in let's see two thousand and two, Yeah, 172 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:51.759 and I retired in twenty sixteen. I was in from 173 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.240 ninety one to ninety eight as well, so I did 174 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.559 a little over twenty one years. But the time frame 175 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.639 that they pulled me into the office and discuss that 176 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.519 would have been around two thousand and eight, two thousand 177 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:08.960 and nine time frame. It was obviously it was in garrison, 178 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.720 so it was between deployments. Yeah, so around that time 179 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:15.440 is when they talked to me, and yeah, I can 180 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:21.720 just remember. I can remember telling them that that I 181 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:23.399 knew it was out there, there was nothing I could 182 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:27.960 do about it, and thinking that there was really no 183 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:34.159 way to go about, you know anything at that point, 184 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.639 you know, I didn't know what I could do about it, 185 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:37.320 if anything. 186 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:42.840 Yeah, so it was when our emails the it was 187 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.759 one of the fellow soldiers that was caught with a 188 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:50.879 bunch of child pornography. And then your commanding officer pulled 189 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.519 you into the office to go through and said to 190 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:56.679 see you in the films. 191 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:58.639 I did not look at any of the films. 192 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.399 All they did was, hey, we had to. 193 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.120 Look at some of this stuff. And one of those 194 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.039 people looks just like you. And that's the first time 195 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.080 that I had, I think ever really spoken about it. 196 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:14.159 And I said, yes, you know those are probably me, 197 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:23.360 but I did not personally feel but they described something 198 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:24.799 that I knew that I had been a part of. 199 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.240 Yeah, can you talk about that a little bit. 200 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:32.320 Here's what it was. Yeah, they when they pulled me in, 201 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.279 I can remember first, aren't Bayliss was kind of red faced, 202 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:39.120 and he said, have you ever made a movie with 203 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:45.279 a black girl? And you know that obviously was I mean, 204 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.120 I'm not a movie star, so obviously that's a very 205 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.679 odd question. And I knew exactly what he was talking 206 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:55.360 about when he said that, so I said yes. So 207 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:59.519 he said, okay, well, we have found some images that 208 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:05.159 are of a sexually explicit nature on another soldier's computer, 209 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:10.279 I think, and they look like you, and I said, 210 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:14.399 well they are me, so he said, and you look underage. 211 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:19.080 I think from that was part of their investigation to 212 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:24.360 confirm that the images of the the participants in these 213 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:29.799 films were underage. So you know, that was just a 214 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.799 secondary verification that, Yeah, I was only twelve or thirteen 215 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.240 at the time of that film, maybe even eleven, So 216 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.960 I mean, obviously I'm not an adult. And even when 217 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.120 I was an adult at eighteen or nineteen, I still 218 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:49.120 looked young. So obviously at eleven twelve of whatever I 219 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.919 was in that film, I would not have looked like 220 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:55.240 a mature an adult. 221 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:59.440 You know, So it was more I think, for. 222 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:06.039 Comfort that these images were of children. So I don't 223 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.360 remember if he actually got court martialed or if he 224 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:13.399 just got u CMJ, which is just their lower grade 225 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.279 of punishment. But I do know that he was chaptered 226 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:21.039 out of the military over maybe he might have had 227 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.159 to do a little jail time, but I don't I 228 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:26.559 don't recall I can't even recall the soldier's name that 229 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.720 got caught with it. I just knew he was an 230 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:31.159 ncois staff sergeant. 231 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.879 And was there any did anyone else ever talk to 232 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:37.960 you about the films? 233 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:38.240 Again? 234 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:41.679 Did they ever talk? Did did they ever infer that 235 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:45.360 there was any further investigation in terms of when the 236 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.440 films were produced? Did they ask you anything about who 237 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:49.159 is involved? 238 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:54.240 Or did they No, No, they didn't. They didn't go 239 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:59.519 into any legality other than the prosecution of the soldier 240 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.759 with the image. So in the military it is a 241 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:06.639 little bit different than civilian Uh, you know, I don't 242 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.360 want to call it the court system because it's just 243 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:12.600 the the the officers and NCOs in the military. But 244 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.600 they they have their you know, sphere of influence. They 245 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.320 have their little scope of operation and if they uncover more, 246 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:23.720 I think that they're required to give it to the 247 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.000 civilian and authorities, But they don't have any jurisdiction to 248 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:31.519 go further than to just prosecute the soldier for the 249 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.759 infraction that he is guilty of. If that makes sense 250 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:35.399 the way I'm. 251 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.240 Saying, no, I understand. Do they have any duty or 252 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.600 any is there any legal or do they have legal 253 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:50.279 requirements to inform civilian prosecutors in such cases. 254 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:57.600 If they suspect or I if there's additional wrong doing 255 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.200 that is outside of their scope of of being able 256 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.880 to prosecute, and in this case, to hold the individual 257 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:09.160 soldier accountable for having this material that he's not supposed 258 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:13.359 to have, they prosecute that portion of it. If it 259 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.920 is beyond what they can prosecute, then they refer the 260 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:22.920 soldier to civilian court systems. But in this case, the 261 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:30.640 military did handle the prosecution of the soldier, and I 262 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:35.839 think all he got was like thirty days and reduction 263 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.519 ranks at E one. They kicked him out of the 264 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:42.200 army and gave him a less than honorable discharge. I 265 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:44.319 think I don't think he even got a bad conduct 266 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.319 for that, but it you know, I know that he 267 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.720 was put out of the military, and I think he 268 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.440 did the thirty days in jail, I think is the 269 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:59.079 most that they can give you at the at the 270 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.960 level the day that they prosecuted him at so I 271 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.839 don't I'm not saying that they you know for sure 272 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.119 on the on the jail time, but I do know 273 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:13.200 for a fact was he was put out of the military. 274 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:16.839 Okay, So they had films, they had some of those. 275 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.119 Yes, Cable, that was his last name, h A B 276 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.640 E L. I think staff sergeant Habel. I just remembered 277 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.559 it because I could picture his faith and I shouldn't remember. 278 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.160 His name, Cable, Okay, h A B E L. 279 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:39.160 Yes, I'm relatively certain on that name. I don't have 280 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:41.880 the best memory. I was in a blast that I racked, 281 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:44.400 and one of the things that I struggled with mightily 282 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:45.640 are names. 283 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:47.440 Yeah, but I am. 284 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:48.799 I'm fairly sure that's his. 285 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:54.640 Name, Okay, Okay. And in terms of the films they had, 286 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:59.440 so so, there was obviously a collection of pornography. Any 287 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.680 is there anyone you're in contact with of those you're 288 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:06.680 commanding officers that would they talk to you, would they 289 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:11.000 provide evidence or is it a situation where. 290 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.559 Michael Michael Bayliss is the only one that I've remember 291 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.319 speaking to about it. I have not spoken to him 292 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:23.480 since I left Fort Carson in two thousand and eleven. 293 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:28.599 I would think that he would probably remember something like that, 294 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:32.880 just just the unusualness of it, you know, for sergeants 295 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.200 to deal with things day in and day out. But 296 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.200 I would I would think that he would remember that 297 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.119 just because of how it's not every day that you 298 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:43.880 have to deal with something like that, you know. 299 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.680 Yeah, but it is possible. 300 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:54.279 I think my commanding officer's name at that time was 301 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:59.319 Captain Coleo Santo, But I'm not sure, because you get 302 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:02.720 commanding officers come and go, you know, the first arts 303 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:07.559 they can stick around longer, but commanding officers are a 304 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:09.240 lot of times they're only there for a year or 305 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:11.680 two and then they're off to the next thing. So, okay, 306 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.559 my recollection of the commanding officer may not be accurate. 307 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:21.720 What's the the spelling of his last name? Colasanto Cola 308 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:33.279 coo l A s A n t O Okay, sat cola, Yeah, okay. 309 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:35.599 Is there anything else you think would be helpful to 310 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:39.519 talk about right now? About then? The time frame? That 311 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:41.559 was the first time anyone had ever mentioned to you 312 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:46.720 anything about the films other than when you were involved 313 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:49.160 in filming. Is that accurate? 314 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:54.119 Okay, yes, the first time that I can recall anybody 315 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:57.720 that it ever coming up. I always knew that they were. 316 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.960 You know that the films, at least one or two 317 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:05.720 of them were out there. I don't even know how 318 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:09.559 many times I was filmed, but I can tell you 319 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:14.799 that that some of them are are extraordinarily horrible. I 320 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:18.960 can give you one instance where they were filming us. 321 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.759 It was me and a girl that I knew that 322 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:27.400 I had been trafficked with in other venues, and while 323 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.680 we were filming, they came in and shot her in 324 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:35.799 the head, so killed her obviously, so that. 325 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:37.519 Would be was that the runaway? 326 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:42.440 That was another girl that I can't even remember her 327 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:46.559 name now, the runaway was tortured to death in a 328 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:51.359 duplex and enterprise, Alabama. My parents did that and we 329 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:56.240 had that wasn't on film, that not her being tortured, 330 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:01.240 but that was that was that black girl that I'm 331 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.880 telling you about that later on Michael Bayliss had talked 332 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.279 to me about. But they went and got her because 333 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:15.599 they were afraid that this was after the investigation in Tennessee, 334 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:18.960 and they were afraid that they would go down for 335 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.359 child pornography. So they were wanting to kill her, and 336 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:24.480 then they were wanting to get rid of me via 337 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:29.759 an accident, but they couldn't because they had already tried 338 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.680 to kill me several times. They had the incident in 339 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.960 Texas involving a Chevy Van. There was another instance in 340 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:40.160 Texas where my dad threw me into the middle of 341 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.839 a pool and said sink or swim, and somebody saw 342 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.160 it and called the sheriff, so there was police report 343 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:49.039 on that. And then there was a third instance in 344 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:51.880 Texas where my dad threw me down a flight of 345 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.759 stairs and that one fractured my skull. Now there may 346 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:58.599 have been other things that happened as well, but I 347 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:05.799 remember those three were enough that they generated an investigation. 348 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:11.200 There were enough things that happened in Texas that my 349 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.319 dad moved from Texas to Tennessee and then got in 350 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.799 trouble in Tennessee, and then moved they gotten trouble in Tennessee, 351 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:19.480 and they moved to Alabama, got in trouble in Alabama, 352 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:21.279 and then we just moved one more time. 353 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:28.480 And about your Alabama, your adoptive dad, William Kyle Riley, correct, yes, yes, 354 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:29.359 don't I have? 355 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.319 I have located my birth parents my birth mother lives 356 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:37.960 in Sierra Vista and my birth father lives in Edmund, Oklahoma, 357 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.599 but I have as yet, I have not reached out 358 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:46.759 either of them. I just within the last year, probably 359 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:52.960 six months, I learned where they live, so that I 360 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:57.079 don't know. That's just an odd dynamic for me and 361 00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:00.839 I'm still kind of processing that. But as far family goes, 362 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:06.000 I have a half sister of in Massachusetts. And that's 363 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:06.599 about it. 364 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:12.519 Okay, And your adopted dad, William Kyle Riley worked as 365 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:14.400 a pilot and was involved. 366 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.920 Yes, he was in all kinds of things. 367 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:22.599 Yeah, worked a lot with Trump and Epstein, correct. 368 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:28.319 He I know that he was around Epstein and worked 369 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.839 with Epstein, and I want to say that he flew 370 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:38.960 for Epstein and if not for Epstein directly, like transporting 371 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:43.039 Epstein himself. He did transport some of the rich people 372 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:48.440 to and from these parties that Epstein and company hosted. It. 373 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:50.880 It wasn't just him. It was kind of a cabal 374 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:55.480 of several people, and Epstein was the I guess the 375 00:24:55.599 --> 00:25:00.400 lead coordinator maybe hell, but it's much more and just 376 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.599 him as an individual, you know. It was people like 377 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:09.720 him like Trump, other people, and I can't remember, you know, 378 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:15.240 like how many, but he was he was handy to 379 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:17.799 have around because he was a part of the process. 380 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:21.400 And he isn't just a like an airline pilot or 381 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:22.000 something like that. 382 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.759 He can fly anything. He can fly. 383 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:30.920 Helicopters, fixed wing, smaller aircraft, larger aircraft. I mean, he's 384 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:36.519 you know, he's that pilot, that kind of that multi 385 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:42.079 purpose guy that could transport whatever you needed. Okay, So 386 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.720 I don't I don't know if he ever got into 387 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:50.400 the drugs. I can remember him talking at one point 388 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:55.160 and he had refused to do a drug run basically, 389 00:25:55.240 --> 00:26:00.319 and somebody else took that drug run and they got busted. Yeah. 390 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:02.400 So I don't know what kind of aircraft it was 391 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.319 or whatever. And it was a round Florida that guy 392 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.519 got busted. Ay, maybe he flew down to the Virgin 393 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.839 Islands or something like that. I can't remember these specific details, 394 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.240 but I can remember the conversation that my dad had 395 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:19.480 talking about thank god I didn't take that and because 396 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.759 the guy got busted and he wound up huge amount 397 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.960 of charges twenty five to life or whatever the heck 398 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.960 he got. But I can remember from his perspective being 399 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.640 nervous because the people that he was working with, he 400 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.119 was scared that they were going to set him up 401 00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:38.319 to take the fall for something, to just get rid 402 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.480 of him, because he had been involved in so much 403 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.960 other criminality that he was really nervous about taking on 404 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:51.240 anything else. I know that's kind of word salad the 405 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.880 way that I said it, But I think you kind 406 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.880 of understand what I'm saying. 407 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.440 I do. No, I understand, I understand perfectly. So your 408 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:05.359 dad would obviously, you know. My understanding is your your 409 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.799 dad was the kind of pilot that those sort of 410 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.880 criminals would want to use because they could use him 411 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:15.759 to fly any anything in any situation, to airlift Trump out, 412 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.119 like you said, when you almost killed Trump when Trump 413 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.680 was assaulting you, or I don't fly guests. 414 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:25.720 He wasn't in that Killstely. 415 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:33.960 No, that's okay. So yeah, I've got you know, I've 416 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.799 spoken to folks that you know, they look for those 417 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:41.960 sorts of pilots. They want pilots that can get guess 418 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:46.759 of traffickers into situations in and out, discreetly, trafficking victims 419 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:51.000 in and out of situations discreetly, and victims that they 420 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.640 killed out of situations discreetly, all sorts of nonsense. So 421 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:56.519 it seems like and. 422 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.240 That's what that's what he did. He shuttled the people. 423 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:05.000 But I can remember him not wanting to cross the 424 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:09.200 bridge over to running drugs. Yeah, you know, because in 425 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.319 his mind, if he got caught with some people, he 426 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.400 could just play dumb. And I was just transporting this 427 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.720 guy's kid to you know, from the you know here 428 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.559 to there. I didn't know anything, So. 429 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.559 So did your dad? Did your dad. 430 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:28.240 Move? 431 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:35.880 Transport the victims most often so more victims than guests. 432 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:38.519 I didn't want to call them, I. 433 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:42.680 Would say more guests than than victims. But he definitely 434 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:43.839 transported both. 435 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:50.119 Okay, okay, and that was either directly for Epstein like 436 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:55.279 transport wasn't transporting Epstein so much as Eptein's victims and 437 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.799 Epstein's guests and the clients the clients. 438 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.559 But he was definitely around Epstein. I can remember the 439 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:06.680 one time that I can remember meeting both of them, 440 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.519 and I can't even remember Jeffrey hardly at all, but 441 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.640 I can remember the conversation in the car where they 442 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.440 kept asking how to say kiss Laine's name because it 443 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:24.920 was unusual. And during that meeting, my mom wanted to 444 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:28.880 get the name right, you know, or whatever that was 445 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.119 important to her, you know. 446 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.839 Yeah, and what's your mom's name again? 447 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.920 Her name was mary Lynn Reilly. This would be kind 448 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.960 of a third mom because my dad adopted me with 449 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:48.559 a lady named Irene Pursula Liskey was her maiden name. 450 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.519 Her name is Peter now, but those who adopted me. 451 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:58.400 He got divorced from Irene in seventy nine or eighty 452 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:03.839 and almost immediately married Lynn, so Irene may have been 453 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.319 involved in some of that, but that would be from 454 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.359 a timeframe that I don't have clear recollection. I do 455 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:14.759 have clear recollection of mary Lynn Riley's involvement, but she 456 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.079 died via suicide a number of years ago. 457 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:29.599 Okay, Now, what are you most comfortable to talk about next? 458 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.000 I mean, let me ask some more questions in terms 459 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.400 of the now. You told me about Trump and about 460 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.279 bigs and about Jordan. I feel like that's important to 461 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.799 discuss some details and let me ask you a question. 462 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.400 Do you think it's more helpful for you to talk 463 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.160 about what you remember first when you were first traffic, 464 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:53.880 the circumstances, individuals involved, or do you want to talk 465 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.559 about some of the incidents that we spoke about a 466 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:01.519 bit by email already. What do you think is willful 467 00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:01.880 for you? 468 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.680 Fill in whatever gaps in that that I can. I 469 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.480 have spoken to you about most of what I remember clearly, 470 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.160 but I can I can give you some of the 471 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:20.039 details with those three, and that's why, that's why I 472 00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.039 am willing to talk about them. You know, there's no 473 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.119 I remember more things, but I just can't. I can't 474 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.039 give you much in the way of detail for anybody 475 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.119 other than those three. I can remember Jim Jordan, I 476 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.160 went to a party. This was at a farm. There 477 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.000 were I don't know, twenty five to fifty people there. 478 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:43.960 I mean it was it was a good amount of people, 479 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.880 but not a massive crowd by any stretch. But what 480 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.480 the experience that my dad sold to those people was 481 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.759 if you could pin me, then you could do whatever 482 00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.640 you wanted. But my dad had taught me how to fight, 483 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.920 hid me in a like a bare knuckle brawler earlier 484 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:09.079 in his life, and I know that he had worked 485 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.920 kind of just beaten people up from you know, a 486 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.960 little extra money. At one point in his life. He 487 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.599 also entered into like the tough man contest stuff like that. 488 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.799 So it was kind of a game for them because 489 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:26.759 I was just a child, so you would think that 490 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:30.480 you could just, you know, do whatever you wanted. But 491 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.759 if they got anywhere near me, I would hit him. 492 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.599 And by the time that Jim Jordan assaulted me, I 493 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.720 was old enough that those adults, not being most of 494 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:42.960 them not being athletic in any way, you know, these 495 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.880 are these are people that you know, they're not fighters 496 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.319 by any stretch. They couldn't get anywhere near me, and 497 00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.920 Jim Jordan just sort of rushed me and tackled me. 498 00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.240 And I might have known how to fight, but I 499 00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.240 didn't know how to wrestle. So he assaulted me in 500 00:32:59.240 --> 00:32:59.920 front of a crowd. 501 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:01.480 And I think that it. 502 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.480 Was filmed, but I can't swear that it was filmed, 503 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:05.440 but it was in front of those twenty five or 504 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:06.119 fifty people. 505 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:08.559 And how old is that? 506 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.079 Why I remembered. I was. 507 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:18.079 Around twelve twelve when that happened, and on those twenty 508 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.359 five fifty people. Hope, sorry, go ahead. 509 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.799 The reason that I remember Jim Jordan is first, he 510 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:27.759 stood out because he wasn't that much. He's only like 511 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:29.759 seven or eight years older than me. So at the 512 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.480 time frame that I'm at twelve. He is right around 513 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:38.200 just graduating high school, maybe first year or two of college, right, 514 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.720 So him being so much younger stood out. And then 515 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:48.160 I remembered his jawline. He has a very very pronounced jawline. 516 00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:53.359 I remembered his voice, and his mannerisms haven't changed throughout 517 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.559 his life either. So when I really started, as soon 518 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.000 as Trump went down that escalator and said he was 519 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.000 running for president, I got involved in politics, you know, 520 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.920 I started. I started watching it. I started watching who 521 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.639 supported him and everything like that. And I remember Jim 522 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:16.079 Jordan just from watching him on the floor of Congress, 523 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.320 you know, speaking to the different people that you know, 524 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:26.320 go up there and testify. So uh, and that's him, 525 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.199 you know, I just remembered him. 526 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.400 So that's I know that's not a lot, but. 527 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:36.639 You give me a polygraph, I'm going to take it 528 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:41.079 because I'm one hundred percent sure that it was him 529 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:47.079 and Andy Biggs. I remember because on the way to this, 530 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.000 they took me to a house. This wasn't at a party. 531 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:55.719 This was later after I had assaulted Trump, and it 532 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.719 was kind of a punishment type of thing where he 533 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.079 was going to get to assault me, and I guess 534 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.519 not pay my parents, and he got to do whatever 535 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.920 he wanted. And I can remember telling me that I 536 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.760 wasn't allowed to fight back or they'd kill me. And 537 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.199 you know all of this, but they must have said 538 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:18.239 his name fifty times in the car, so Bigs kept 539 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.960 I kept hearing Big Andy Biggs Biggs, and I thought, 540 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.800 I'm going to remember this name. And after he assaulted me, 541 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:30.559 I don't even remember the assault necessarily, but I remember 542 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:35.400 being in the car afterwards and being like really nauseous, 543 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.800 sick to my stomach. I was seeing spots, and I mean, 544 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.679 the guy beat me until I had broken ribs and 545 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.840 was convulsing, turning blue and stuff like that. And I 546 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.639 can the only part of that assault that I can 547 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:55.039 remember is laying on the floor of the room trying 548 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:59.280 to breathe, and I could I could hear Andy and 549 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.480 my dad screaming back and forth at each other, and 550 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.440 I can remember Andy Biggs saying, you said I could 551 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.039 do whatever I wanted, and my dad saying, I didn't 552 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:13.960 say you could fucking kill him. And you know, I 553 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.679 think they may have actually thrown blows over it. But 554 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.079 there was a heated argument and everything going on for 555 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.679 an extended period of time, and then I can remember 556 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.719 being in the car leaving and just having my eyes 557 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.079 closed because my head was spinning and everything, and I 558 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.400 was just trying to breathe just standing out, you know. 559 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.440 So that's why I remember him so clearly. I have 560 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.559 had more than one encounter with Trump, and that's why 561 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.679 I tried to kill that suff a bitch, because he 562 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.360 is a fucking monster. It's why I have not shut 563 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.519 up about just how. 564 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.800 Absolutely abhorrent he is as. 565 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.360 Human being, and it's why I tried to That's why 566 00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.400 I tried to kill him. Yeah, because I had decided 567 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.360 I had already seen enough other people die that in 568 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.840 my mind, I thought, uh, well, they're just going to 569 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:05.519 kill me too at some point, right, you know, I'm 570 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.119 not going to survive to be an adult from this. 571 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.079 So in my mind, he was the biggest pilot ship 572 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.480 that I had ever had to have any contact with. 573 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.039 So I was going to take him with me. 574 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.880 And how often did Trent assault to. 575 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.920 Remember? I can remember too specifically a third one that 576 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.639 I think, and I think I was around him more 577 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.079 than just those three times, but only three times do 578 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.119 I kind of remember. I can remember at one point 579 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:43.960 Kim asking the people that were kind of running that 580 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:48.159 party or whatever it was at that farm. He wanted 581 00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:52.400 to kill somebody. He wanted to he wanted to murder somebody, 582 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.960 and they said, hey, that's not this kind of party. 583 00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:00.679 You can't do that. And they in lou doing that. 584 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.719 They said, well, we've got some some puppies. If you 585 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:05.599 just want to kill something, we've got to get rid 586 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.440 of them. Anyway. So I can remember him taking those 587 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.000 puppies one by one and like he snapped one of 588 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.800 the puppies necks. He cut one open and let it 589 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.400 just howl and and and you know, writhing pain while 590 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.639 they had died, held one under some water to kill it. 591 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:28.559 He just he he wanted to hurt kill those puppies, 592 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:29.519 and and. 593 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.000 You know, whatever grewsome way, you know, to experience. 594 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.320 I guess seeing them suffer in different ways. What his 595 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.679 kin kids, I guess, if you want to call it, 596 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:45.800 that is watching people suffer. He likes to destroy people 597 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:52.599 physically mentally during the process of the assault. That's why 598 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.960 he stands out so much in my memory, you know. 599 00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.519 And it's it's it's physical pain, and then it's it's 600 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.719 also you know, degrading and and all of that. 601 00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.400 But his thing was to just try to destroy. 602 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.079 Human beings to the to the utmost that he could 603 00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.239 possibly do it, which is why a factor. 604 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.280 Yeah, that's understandable. 605 00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:24.480 So I can tell you this that the last one 606 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:32.280 and okay, so this was after they had killed the Samantha. 607 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.079 It was the Black Girl that I made the one 608 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:35.880 of the movies with. 609 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:40.119 Yeah, and these were let me just ask a question 610 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.159 just to clarify. So when Samantha was killed, these were 611 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.800 all of these parties at the farm or similar locations 612 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:48.960 to the farm where. 613 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.880 There was what was multiple farms. 614 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.719 Multiple farms, and usually it was parties. So there was 615 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.159 individuals like Trump that were flown into the parties. 616 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:03.840 Yes, and they would have like a building, you know, 617 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:04.480 a house. 618 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.280 Uh, and they would usually have like a tent set 619 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.159 up and uh, you know it was almost like a 620 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.280 little uh, I don't want to say affair. It wasn't 621 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.719 that big. They didn't have rides or anything, but there was. 622 00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:21.519 It was a kind of a coordinated deal. You know. 623 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:27.519 Sometimes they would have the bare knuckle fighting. That's that 624 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.880 probably is how my my dad got involved with these people, 625 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.039 because uh, you know, you got boxing and stuff like 626 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.519 that on TV. But that's really all you had back 627 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.199 in the seventies and eighties. The the you know, the 628 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.559 more the m M A type of stuff wasn't allowed. 629 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.440 And these fights were a little more gruesome. They didn't 630 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.760 they didn't fight to the death or anything like that, 631 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:51.480 but they were they were bloody, and you know, I 632 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.320 mean these were these were fights, you know, and not 633 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:58.400 just boxing. And so the rich people would pay to 634 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.360 see that. Sometimes they'd have like a you know, a 635 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.440 band playing, uh, you know, just like what you would 636 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.159 expect at like a fair or something. 637 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.320 You know, So the rich folks would get flown in 638 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.920 associated with Epstein and they would pay to watch the 639 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.320 victims fight. The victims were all underage, and would they 640 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.440 pay to the assault the victims after the fights or 641 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.480 during the fights, and they paid it to torture the 642 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.880 victims and yes, and kill the victims. 643 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.400 But now now some of the fights were adults, you know, 644 00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.039 you know, if they had some big old country boy 645 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.360 and some other guy, they they would. 646 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:37.840 Pay to see that. 647 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:41.039 They would also pay to watch the kids fight. And 648 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.119 they did pay to watch me fight. I would fight 649 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:48.280 other kids and my dad was was my initial trainer 650 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.679 for me to learn how to fight. I would later, 651 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.159 uh go on to be a boxer, an amateur boxer, 652 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.440 but that's how I got my start in all of that. 653 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.760 So yes, they would have paid for that, and the 654 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:09.199 experiences were different each time. There wasn't like a set thing. 655 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.280 You never really knew what was going to happen. 656 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.559 So you know, part of it, a lot of. 657 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.880 It just comes down to money, you know. So if 658 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:21.480 they offered five thousand dollars to have sex with me, 659 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:29.159 then then you know my dad was willing to do that. Yeah, 660 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.079 a dollar amounts where I don't. I don't. 661 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:37.159 That isn't that isn't sex that that's that's sexual assault, right, 662 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:42.599 I mean, I just want to say something first. I 663 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:49.000 think you're extremely brave and you behave extremely strong, like 664 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.199 a warrior, And I just want to stop and say 665 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.679 it's important to me to say that because a lot 666 00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.440 of folks, you know, wouldn't even survive such trauma. But 667 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:02.679 you've you've survived, and you know you conduct yourself with 668 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.119 with dignity and and and gracefully, and and I it's 669 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.159 important to me to say that. I hope you know 670 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.800 that you know, I hope you have a sense of 671 00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:16.199 your your own honor, and chivalrousness, especially what you told 672 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.599 me in terms of drugs they used on you and 673 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:24.840 how they learned you drug to behave monstrous towards other kids. 674 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:26.000 You know, I understand. 675 00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:29.599 I remember. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but 676 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.599 I can remember, uh, some lawns, there's some arm of 677 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:39.079 law enforcement showing me video of me harming one of 678 00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:42.039 the people that they were filming me with. And I 679 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:48.440 don't know how that came about. Whether they drugged me 680 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.519 and I lost my mind or they told me to 681 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.960 do it. I don't I don't know the circumstances, but 682 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.320 I can remember being in that room and then saying, well, 683 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.599 you did this, and and it may not even been 684 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.679 law enforcement, it may have been you know, like the 685 00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.079 people that were running that. But I can remember being 686 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.239 really upset because I had no recollection of having done that. 687 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.800 It was me in the video and I was beating somebody, well, 688 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:17.679 a girl senseless and I didn't kill her or anything 689 00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:24.320 like that, but you know, yeah, and I have a 690 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:27.800 feeling you know this this part I can't prove, because 691 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.480 I you know, I have I only have my own experiences. 692 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.920 But what the whole thing seems to be is that 693 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.280 they first abuse you, then they get you on film 694 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:40.719 abusing others. 695 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.599 And now they have you trapped as well. 696 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.960 Yeah, so you can't talk about the abuse that they 697 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.480 did to you. If they want you to be a 698 00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.000 legacy victim, somebody that they can use in the future, 699 00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.039 well then they've got to get you on tape doing 700 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.840 monstrous things to other people as well, because now they 701 00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.760 have the leverage to keep your mouth shut. 702 00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:03.679 Yeah, no, what you're exactly right, that's exactly the tactic. 703 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:11.559 And it's since the tactic is insidious because have you 704 00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:16.480 ever heard of the torture technique a lot of occult 705 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:22.960 practitioners use. It's called inversion inversion torture inversion. Magic isn't magic. 706 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:28.199 Sorcery is just smoking, mirrors, nonsense, deception techniques, but it's 707 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:32.239 sort of inversion technique where to try to linguistically manipulate 708 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.159 the victims, to try to get the victims in a 709 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:40.400 position where the victims doubt whether the victims, you know, 710 00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.000 good or not. That's absolute, and I think that's the 711 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.679 case with a lot of the Republicans you mentioned, Like 712 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.440 you said, Clarence Thomas and Lindsay Graham were at these 713 00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.760 parties you can't remember if Linda Graham and Clarence Thomas participated, 714 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.639 And it's sort of a question of did they participate, 715 00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.920 were they blackmailed because they were there attended the parties 716 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.760 that they didn't participate. Can you tell me much more 717 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:04.960 about Clarence Thomas and Lindy Graham? 718 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.880 I can't. I know the least about him. The only 719 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.440 reason that I can remember him is because he was 720 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:16.960 a black man. And I'm sorry but that that club 721 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.599 is pretty much just white folks, so having a black 722 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:25.239 person there was very unusual, so he stood out. But 723 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.639 the only thing that I can really say is that 724 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:32.119 I remembered him being there, and then I remember what 725 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.800 a big deal it was in our household when he 726 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:41.800 got confirmed onto the Supreme Court, because my dad was 727 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.239 excited about that because of how high up he was. 728 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.400 Now I don't I can't swear I may have been 729 00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:51.360 assaulted by Clarence Thomas, but I cannot swear to that. 730 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.199 If he did assault me, then it was not to 731 00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.960 the level of something that scared me to the point 732 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:03.280 where I needed to remember it, if that's a good 733 00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.599 way to put that. Which rose to that and Andy 734 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.599 Biggs rose to that and Jim Jordan rose to that 735 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:12.840 because he was dangerous to me because I could keep 736 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.880 most people away from me with my fists, but you know, 737 00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:21.559 he was a good wrestler, so you know, he scared 738 00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.119 me in that sense that this is a person that 739 00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.079 I can't you know that I can't keep away from 740 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:31.800 me with my with my fists. Lindsey Graham, I am 741 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.480 fairly sure he has assaulted me, but I just can't 742 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.559 put my hand on a bible and swear to that. 743 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.400 You know, I know that he was there. I can 744 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:46.320 remember it. He just like Jim Jordany, has very distinct 745 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:49.599 mannerisms and his voice is a little unusual as well, 746 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.880 so I could remember his voice. I could remember his 747 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:57.719 mannerisms and then obviously how he looks, so I can 748 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.480 put him there. But I just can't. I can't say 749 00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.840 he did this or he did that exactly. 750 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.320 I just can't, Okay, So I. 751 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.800 Wish that I could provide more information on that because 752 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.000 I think some things went on, but that's just not 753 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.239 enough for me to point a finger to make an accusation. 754 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.679 But he was there. I can tell you that. 755 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.920 Yeah, well that's that's enough. And I know that you know, 756 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:26.920 some sorts of interviews. There's we can look at at 757 00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:29.719 a different time to see if there is any more 758 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.519 information you remember. But what you do remember, I just 759 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.480 want you to know what you remember, to know that 760 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:39.119 what you remember is extremely important and is extremely helpful. 761 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.880 I know you want to be able to remember more 762 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.800 and memories are in there, and you know, I just 763 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.159 want to approach the situation delicately because you know. 764 00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:56.039 Other memories are are are just vague. You know, I 765 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.639 can and and I have been very careful too not 766 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:04.480 to to to reach out further, because there are some 767 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.199 other names that I could I could mention that I 768 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.360 believe were there that I know for a fact that 769 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.280 my parents talked about, but I don't have a clear 770 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.639 enough recollection of anything. Like I can tell you one 771 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:22.559 hundred percent sure that they talked about Vladimir Putin, but 772 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.599 I do not believe he was ever at one of 773 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.360 those parties that I was at. But his name was 774 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:29.719 brought up more than. 775 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.360 Once during the anti. 776 00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:37.519 Yes, okay, Vladimir pud don't. I don't know even when 777 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.960 he ascended to the presidency, but I remember the name 778 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.000 because it was so unusual. Now at that point, he 779 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:45.840 may have just been, you know, one of the Russian 780 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.280 oligarchs or whatever. But his name came up, and I 781 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.559 remember just because it's an unusual name, Vladimir Putin, you know, 782 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.800 but I don't believe he was ever there. So that 783 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:02.679 is like, I don't know, it's there are other names 784 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:03.320 like that too. 785 00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.039 Okay, let's talk a little bit about. 786 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.360 I remember Clinton's name being brought up, but I don't 787 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:09.239 ever remember then. 788 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.519 So Clinton was mentioned, but you never saw Clinton, not 789 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:15.639 that I can recall. 790 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.360 And and that's another thing too. I may have had 791 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:26.280 interactions with additional people, but during some of them, I 792 00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:29.239 was so drugged out of my mind, I don't really 793 00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.280 remember what happened. You know. 794 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:35.639 Yeah, when when you heard them talk about Putin, so 795 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.360 it was that one of the parties of one of 796 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.239 the farms. Do you remember what they were saying about Putin? 797 00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:46.480 Just that he was some sort of like foreigner that 798 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:51.440 was very important, you know, I didn't know anymore. You know, 799 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:58.679 the name was just unusual. And they they mentioned his name, 800 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:03.440 you know, they they kind of had fun saying his name, 801 00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.719 you know, Vladimir, you know, does he like to go 802 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:12.639 by vlad or this or that. But the meeting with 803 00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.639 that person, I don't think ever materialized. I think it 804 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.000 was just something that was discussed and never happened. Now, 805 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.440 if he has other connections, you know, and he very 806 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:28.599 well made, that's possible. But I can just remember there 807 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:34.519 were at those parties, there were people that had strange accents. 808 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.840 But that's it. That's all I could say. I couldn't 809 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.000 point and say, well, this person was from Spain or 810 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:47.360 this person was from Portugal. I have no idea. But 811 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.280 what I do know for a fact is not every 812 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:55.840 person at those parties was American. Yeah, I know that's 813 00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.840 not a lot. But again, I only remember. 814 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.039 I have a question with Trump, I mean with Putin. 815 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.880 Did you get the sense that the party attendees that 816 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.679 the clients were interested in Putin? There was something they 817 00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:14.400 wanted from Putin. They thought they could get money from Putin, 818 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:18.199 influence from Putin. Did you have any sense of that. 819 00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:23.159 The only sense that I had was that this was 820 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:29.519 for the rich people, regardless of where they were from. No, 821 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:33.039 at this point in my child brain, I knew that 822 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.760 there were rich people and those people got to do 823 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.840 whatever they wanted, and then there were four people like 824 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:42.599 me and those people. You know, that was the dynamic, 825 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:50.599 So you know, that's it. I never heard them say 826 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.039 anything about blackmailing and stuff like that, but I can 827 00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.719 remember them showing me a video of me doing bad stuff, 828 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.400 and then I can remember people telling me that if 829 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.599 I ever talked about it, what I had done was 830 00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:06.920 illegal too, by uh. And a lot of that was 831 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.360 just bullshit because I was just a kid and they 832 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:10.760 were making me do good stuff. 833 00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:16.880 Yeah, but talk about malevolent hypocrisy, dude, they were just 834 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:22.440 utterly grotesque. They were trafficking you. They were assaulting you, 835 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.880 they were drugging you, and then they were trying to 836 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:29.519 to They were trying to make me feel to you 837 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:33.599 exactly exactly when you were in a situation because they 838 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:34.519 were trafficking you. 839 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.400 The last encounter with Trump, the one where I injured him, 840 00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:45.159 was the one that I remember the most vividly, and 841 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.400 this was a setup for that. I can remember my 842 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.000 dad before we went to the farm. This was when 843 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.719 they lived in Enterprise, Alabama. Yeah, so it would have 844 00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:58.000 been about eighty one to eighty two, somewhere in there, 845 00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:02.960 maybe as maybe as late as eighty three. But he said, 846 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.920 there may be somebody that you know there, and I 847 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.199 can remember the look on his face, and it scared 848 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.039 the shit out of it. But anyway, when I got 849 00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:16.519 to the farm, of course I'm scared at the farm 850 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.559 because I don't know what's going to happen. But the 851 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.480 first person that comes up to me is a girl 852 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.760 named Patrician. This is a girl that I had been 853 00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:27.119 trafficked with before, and she came running up to me 854 00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.639 and you know, said said hello or whatever. She was 855 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.880 about my same age, around twelve or thirteen. And I 856 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.039 can remember my dad saying, well, why don't you guys 857 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:43.119 go run off or whatever and have fun? And I 858 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:47.000 can I can remember not knowing what to do in 859 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:49.880 that instance, because you know, these parties weren't for me. 860 00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:54.760 I wasn't. And then he said something to the effect of, no, 861 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.280 it's not like that for you anymore. You're a man now, 862 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.400 you can just go out have fun. Well, we went 863 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.159 to go have sex. So we went and found a 864 00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:11.599 room and started having sex. And while we were having sex, 865 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.239 people burst into the room. It would have been four 866 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:20.000 or five six guys, big guys, adults. At least one 867 00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.079 of them had a gun. I think I think two 868 00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:25.679 or three of them had guns. But they came in. 869 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:29.519 They assaulted her. They beat on her, and then they 870 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.559 shot her while she was still in the bed. They 871 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:36.119 didn't beat or assault me, but what they said was, 872 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.559 if you don't do everything that the next person coming 873 00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:42.920 in here wants, we're gonna shoot you, just like we 874 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.679 did her. And I can remember them having like an 875 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.559 argument because they shot her in the bed and then 876 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:51.159 they had to go find another mattress. Well that's when 877 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:56.119 Trump came in, so that's why I remember him so vividly. 878 00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:58.960 And it was at that point I had already decided, 879 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.079 they're probably just going to me anyway, I'm going to 880 00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:05.280 take him with me, and I tried, but I did not. 881 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:07.800 How did How did you? 882 00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:11.000 So? 883 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:17.280 Obviously Trump was extremely violent. Trump's yes, a sadistic psychopath. 884 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:22.199 When Trump assaulted you, so sexual assault and physical assault? 885 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:31.960 Yes. At one point, well, I kind of acquiesced to 886 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.360 whatever sexual things that he wanted to do. But at 887 00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:40.960 some point. 888 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:40.360 He wanted me to have. 889 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.360 Sex with him. So he laid down on his stomach 890 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:48.920 and there was a wooden tent steak that was in 891 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.760 the room, and I had been eyeballing it as a weapon, 892 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.159 and what I did was put the condom on the 893 00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:01.000 wooden fen Steak put it inside of him, and I 894 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.000 kicked it as hard as I could, and that's why 895 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:04.960 you had to get life lighted out because I ripped 896 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:05.400 him open. 897 00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.519 Do you ever watch the movie The Equalizer? No, I 898 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:16.760 haven't seen it, Denzel Washington. You know, sort of like 899 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:23.800 justice when everyone involved in American law enforcement can't get 900 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:28.159 any justice. That would be a sort of situation. Obviously, 901 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.639 I laughed, because there's poetic justice there. 902 00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:39.920 Show that, and that was what facilitated. Not only did 903 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:45.280 I get really assaulted by Andy Biggs, I also got 904 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:49.400 assaulted by like an entire parties where the people they. 905 00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.440 Took after truck was there left to that. 906 00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.159 He had a whole other party. 907 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:56.920 So they took me to. 908 00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:59.159 Another party after that, and because I had done that 909 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:03.239 to one of those rich people, they took me from 910 00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:06.719 like station to station and they could do whatever they wanted. 911 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.440 Most of them just beat on me. I can remember 912 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:12.480 me standing there, had already gotten beaten up, you know, 913 00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:16.639 I don't know five six times, and I can remember 914 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:21.039 somebody urinated on me and I said thank you for 915 00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.599 not hurting me, and he just hauled off and punched 916 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:26.039 me in the side of the head and knocked me out. 917 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:31.280 I can remember leaving that party and my dad was 918 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:36.119 just kind of dragging me out of there. It was 919 00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:38.920 another instance, just like with Andy Biggs, where I got 920 00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:40.159 beaten to the point. 921 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.159 Where you know, I was, I was, the room. 922 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:48.599 Was spinning, I was nauseous, probably throwing up, maybe some 923 00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.679 broken bones badly. 924 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.159 And how many perpetrators did you say, again, twenty to 925 00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:00.480 forty twenty five to forty perpetrators. 926 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.320 People that were there, Yes, I would say probably eight 927 00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:05.639 or ten that just beat the absolute hell out of me, 928 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.280 and some of them probably sexually assaulted me. But I 929 00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:13.360 can't remember. I can remember getting a hurt, you know, 930 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:14.480 just getting beaten up. 931 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:19.360 And uh, you know, was that before you tried to 932 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:23.599 defend yourself from Trump or after? Do you remember that 933 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:24.239 was after? 934 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.599 That was as a punishment, if you want to call it. That. 935 00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.440 The what happened at that party was part of the punishment. 936 00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:34.960 And then I can remember them saying that this is 937 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:36.679 the last of it. When I had to go see 938 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:41.440 Andy Biggs. Andy Biggs almost fucking killed me, So I 939 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:42.679 remember him to this day. 940 00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:46.960 I just so when Andy Biggs almost killed you was 941 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:48.320 after Trump as well. 942 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:55.239 Yes, Andy Biggs was after Trump. The party that a 943 00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.639 whole bunch of people assaulted me was after that, and 944 00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.039 then the last one was Andy Biggs. And then I 945 01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.920 can remember my dad saying no more. I can remember 946 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.719 him even kind of breaking down a little bit, like 947 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:13.400 psychologically because I've just I guess the repeated watching me 948 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.880 just get destroyed by people. You got to understand, it's 949 01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:19.519 not like booboos and band aids. They were breaking ribs 950 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.559 and really hurting me. You know, I've got like a 951 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:24.840 deformed ridge case. 952 01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:27.199 To this day now it sounds like they were trying 953 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.320 to torch you just to the point of death to 954 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:32.880 punish a. 955 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:37.320 Message they tried over and over again to hint to me, 956 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:40.639 to get me to kill myself. Yeah, I can remember thinking, 957 01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.079 there's no way I'm going to kill myself because that's 958 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:47.920 what they want. So just I find some of that 959 01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:51.199 just out of spite. To be honest with you, Uh, 960 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.280 there's there's really no other way to put it. But 961 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.320 I wasn't going to. I just I can't remember hating 962 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:59.440 my mom so much that I just did not want 963 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:04.039 to give her the satisfaction. Yeah. She as bad as 964 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:08.000 my dad was. Mary Lynn Riley was even more evil. 965 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:14.679 She sure thing was sexually torturing me. So and and 966 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:19.000 she enjoyed sexually torturing Samantha when they went and got her. 967 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.239 And Samantha was the runaway that. 968 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:31.079 Right, she was. She lived in a brothel basically a 969 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:36.159 house where they had four or five underage girls that 970 01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:39.119 had they had scooped up from wherever they got them from. 971 01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:44.360 And uh, they would use those girls at these parties. Well, 972 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.519 at one time they sent me to go be a 973 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.119 part of that brothel. So that's when I made friends 974 01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:53.199 with Samantha, Patricia, and Sarah, And those are the only 975 01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:54.880 three that I can remember their names. 976 01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:59.199 But Sarah committed suicide, Samantha was tortured to death, and 977 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:03.360 Patricia was the girl that got shot in the bed 978 01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.039 before Trump came in. 979 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:13.440 Did Patricia die, Oh yeah, yes, so Samantha, Patricia, and 980 01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:18.559 Sarah and all three died. Yes, yes, So Samantha was 981 01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:23.440 the runaway that was murdered by your adopted parents. Yes, 982 01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:30.119 Patricia committed suicide, Sarah committed suicide, and Pricia was murdered 983 01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:33.079 in the bed before Trump came in. And then they 984 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.639 threatened yes you and said to let Trump do whatever 985 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.119 Trump wanted to do to you or they would shoot 986 01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:39.960 you in the head as well. 987 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:48.280 Yes, okay, And I can remember I can remember them 988 01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:52.199 pointing the gun at me and Sam, we're going to 989 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:57.639 kill you, and my dad protesting because he said, if 990 01:02:57.679 --> 01:02:59.599 you shoot him, we're all about to go to jail. 991 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.880 And he was he was really I can remember him, 992 01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:07.360 but being distraught. Now he's a kind of a tough 993 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:10.840 guy and you know, all of that sort of stuff. 994 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:13.400 So that's what stood out to me was he was 995 01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.920 really scared because he knew that if they just shot me, 996 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.039 that's not something he could explain to anybody. And he 997 01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:23.719 had gotten into so much trouble with trying to get 998 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:28.960 rid of me already. But there's the Chevy van incident, 999 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:33.639 there's the pool incident, and then there's the stairs incident, 1000 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.280 and all of those generated a police report. 1001 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.880 In addition to that, we went down to. 1002 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.880 Panama City, Florida, to the beach, either Panama City or Destined, 1003 01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:48.320 and they took me to a riptide area. I didn't 1004 01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:50.119 know it was a riptide area. There were no other 1005 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:51.960 people on the beach, you know, it was just us. 1006 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:55.719 But within like one hundred yards one hundred and fifty yards, 1007 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.280 there's the regular beach where people were at. You know 1008 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:01.639 how they have the Riptide zones. They don't want you 1009 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:03.960 out there, right for obvious reasons. Well, they took me 1010 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:05.519 to one of these zones. 1011 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:08.480 And had me, you know, say hey, you know, come 1012 01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:09.320 out here and play. 1013 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:10.559 In the water and this and that. And for the 1014 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:12.840 first few minutes it was just the three of us 1015 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:14.440 playing the water. And I'm just a kid, you know, 1016 01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:20.239 beach is awesome. So at any rate, they go back in. 1017 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:23.320 I'm out there playing. Eventually that current gets me and 1018 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:24.840 I don't know how to swim at this point in 1019 01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:29.400 my life, so it pulls me out, you know, a 1020 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:32.360 one hundred feet maybe, and I'm bouncing up and down 1021 01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.119 off the sandbar, just screaming my head off. Well, somebody 1022 01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:38.440 that was on the regular beach, not in the Riptide 1023 01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:42.199 area heard the screaming and came running from like one 1024 01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:46.639 hundred and fifty yards away and right by my parents 1025 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:49.559 who were standing there. And he goes out there and 1026 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:51.920 gets me, fishes me out. By the time he comes back, 1027 01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:55.440 he's nearly exhausted, and I can remember him and my 1028 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:59.440 dad nearly fighting. And at this point there there are 1029 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:03.320 other people that are coming and you know that scares 1030 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.480 the shit out of my dad. But there was another 1031 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.400 police report with that, and I know that that police 1032 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:12.079 report followed us back up into Alabama because the sheriff 1033 01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:15.599 came down there and talked to him, talked to my 1034 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.000 dad in Alabama. So there was another investigation for sure. 1035 01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.760 So all of those things had already happened, and my 1036 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:28.199 dad was terrified that if something happened to me, especially 1037 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:32.000 so close to all of these other things, that all 1038 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:35.199 of these other investigations, he pretty much knew he was 1039 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:36.320 going to go to jail over it. 1040 01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:41.280 So there was at least the chevy Man incident, Pool incident, 1041 01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:45.079 Stairs incident. There was police and police reports. How many 1042 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.320 police were reports about three or. 1043 01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:52.000 Four and then one that I can that are just 1044 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:54.400 involved in trying to get rid of me. And then 1045 01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:58.320 there were in addition to those four, there were two investigations. 1046 01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:01.159 One for the porn and then when we lived in 1047 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:04.760 the duplex and they were torturing that girl to death, Samantha, 1048 01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.360 our duplex neighbors there in Enterprise, Alabama, they called the 1049 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:15.599 police because they could hear, you know, screams and you know, 1050 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.760 beatings and stuff like that. And when they investigated I 1051 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:24.840 can remember my dad saying, hey, you know, talking about 1052 01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.880 me is just you know, I had gotten in trouble 1053 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:34.280 and got a whipping or something, and they did an investigation. 1054 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:38.599 They like, they collected blood samples and everything from the house. 1055 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:42.400 But the problem was they couldn't determine how long that 1056 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.840 blood had been there, I guess, and they didn't. It 1057 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.159 wasn't a match to anybody in the house. 1058 01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:53.079 So for whatever reason, they just didn't have enough. 1059 01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.719 And I don't think they were allowed to talk to me. 1060 01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:58.599 I think my dad would have had to have given 1061 01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:04.280 them permission for the investigators to interrogate me. So I 1062 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:09.800 don't recall ever giving testimony as a child now calling 1063 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:14.920 police in that instance or in the incidence up in Tennessee. 1064 01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:19.000 Did you provide any testimony to the police in any 1065 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.639 of those five cases, Well, the one case with the 1066 01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:24.000 military with a child pornography. 1067 01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:33.400 I can remember the sheriff talking to me at the 1068 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:40.400 beach in Panama City, and I don't remember what all 1069 01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:42.920 was said, but I can remember my dad tried to 1070 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:44.480 get out of there and the guy that went and 1071 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:46.800 fished me out. My dad's a pretty big guy and 1072 01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:48.679 he's he can fight, but the guy that went and 1073 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.519 got me was like a I mean, he was a tank, 1074 01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:54.360 so it wasn't something that he wanted to really get 1075 01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:58.119 into a fight about over there. And the you know, 1076 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:02.599 people started coming in, so they my parents. I can 1077 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.280 remember them trying to hug me and stuff. My god, 1078 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:07.079 thank god that I can remember the guy that fished 1079 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.880 me out and said, there's no goddamn way I heard 1080 01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:12.440 that from one hundred and fifty yards away and you're 1081 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:16.039 standing there watching him and you didn't hear it, you know, 1082 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:20.399 And you know, they tried to play it off like, well, 1083 01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:22.720 we just thought he was playing you know, swimming and 1084 01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:25.000 stuff like that. And I can remember the sheriff asking 1085 01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:26.920 did you know how to swim? And I said no, sir, 1086 01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:31.560 and they were like, okay, this this fucking sucks. You know, 1087 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:35.520 there's no way that this is legitimate. And I can 1088 01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:40.560 remember the sheriff in Alabama talking to my dad and saying, 1089 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.920 there better not be anything that happens to him. And 1090 01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:45.680 he said, because I'm just gonna go ahead and tell 1091 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.600 you you're going to go to jail. I don't care. He said, 1092 01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:49.600 I'll make sure of it. 1093 01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:53.600 So they had a sense, but they didn't know they 1094 01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:56.239 didn't have enough of what they thought of as evidence. 1095 01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:58.119 They did exactly right. 1096 01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:02.159 And that was the case with Samantha as well. Yes, 1097 01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:07.600 and your dad wouldn't let them talk to you, and 1098 01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:12.119 your dad wouldn't let the police officers talk to you, 1099 01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:18.439 so right, that weird he did? It seems weird. I mean, 1100 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:22.279 I know in Canada is a bit different, like in 1101 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:25.119 terms of you know, there would have been folks from 1102 01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:28.399 Child Protection Services there and they would have gotten you 1103 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:31.119 away from you, your adoptive fathers to talk to you, 1104 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:33.800 to talk to you. You wouldn't have gone through that 1105 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:38.800 sort of horror in Canada. I'm really sad at that point. 1106 01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:44.199 At one point CPS did take me, so I got 1107 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:50.079 into the foster care system and the ultimately I'm just 1108 01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:55.800 gonna I was ungovernable, incorrigible as as. 1109 01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:57.039 At that point in my life. 1110 01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:02.720 If if you said something to me, you know, I didn't. 1111 01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.960 Necessarily I didn't care who you were. 1112 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:07.399 I wasn't necessarily going to do that, and I might 1113 01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:11.520 just hit you, you know, because that was just my response 1114 01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:16.239 to life at that point. So eventually I made my 1115 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:20.039 way right back to that house. So I can tell 1116 01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:24.760 you that throughout the process of trying to work with me. 1117 01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.760 Jane Goodall was one of the people that worked with me, 1118 01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:32.279 so I know that she is still alive. I think 1119 01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:34.600 she's still alive. I think she's ninety one now. 1120 01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:36.359 Yeah, and she might. 1121 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:39.640 Recall having worked with me because I would have been 1122 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.920 one of the strangest cases she ever had, because at 1123 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.520 around that timeframe, I had made the decision that I 1124 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:50.439 would no longer let anybody get within arms reaching me, 1125 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:52.840 and if they did, I just had a fight for 1126 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:57.319 my life. Though you know, people had to stay away 1127 01:10:57.319 --> 01:10:59.479 from me. I could talk. I mean, I wasn't like 1128 01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:03.520 a feral animal, but I just would not allow people 1129 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:08.720 within my personal space anymore. And because of her work, 1130 01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:12.880 you know, with apes and everything with gorillas, you know, 1131 01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:17.720 they kind of reached out to her to make contact 1132 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.800 with me to see if they could help me. 1133 01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:27.439 Yeah, and did you talk to Jane good old doll 1134 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:30.359 about what you'd experienced getting trafficked? I know when un 1135 01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:35.399 I spoke my email messenger you said was from during 1136 01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:38.640 about nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty six, is what 1137 01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:41.720 you remembered nine to thirteen, but you're not sure it 1138 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.960 could have been as early as six or seven years. 1139 01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:49.560 Old, right, right, I don't really start remembering what was 1140 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:53.640 going on till about ten or eleven, and I just 1141 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.039 know that it happened before that. I can I can 1142 01:11:56.079 --> 01:12:00.800 remember being sexually assaulted by family some of my very 1143 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:06.760 first memories. So, but as far as taking me to 1144 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:12.560 other places and these parties and whatnot, I know that 1145 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.479 that sort of thing was happening, but I just don't 1146 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:19.079 have a good enough recollection to really piece together much 1147 01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:19.640 of a story. 1148 01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:22.560 So whether you were six or seven years old or 1149 01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:25.359 ten or eleven years old with the parties. 1150 01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:30.439 You're right, right. I know family was assaulting me, and 1151 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:33.399 then friends of family were assaulting me as early as 1152 01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:35.920 six or seven. I know that some of my very 1153 01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:41.119 first memories are of being assaulted, But as far as 1154 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:45.199 taking me two places to make money at these parties, 1155 01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:48.000 I don't have a clear recollection. It may have happened 1156 01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:51.359 as early as the first sexual assaults that were happening 1157 01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:55.760 with family, but I don't have a clear recollection if 1158 01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:59.079 that was going on to that scale at that time. 1159 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:04.640 But do have a recollection from about ten or eleven, So. 1160 01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:15.720 How much. No, No, it's it's okay. I'm I'm I'm 1161 01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:19.119 glad you're you and I are able to have such 1162 01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:23.840 a thorough discussion, and I appreciate again how straightforward forthright 1163 01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:27.479 you are. You know, it's extremely important. 1164 01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:30.760 I mean, there's a part of me that just wants 1165 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:33.640 to point fingers in every direction. But I have I 1166 01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:40.119 have really thought about, Okay, what do I recall vividly 1167 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:44.680 enough that that I would put my hand on the 1168 01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:46.920 Bible in the courtroom, raise my hand and say, yep, 1169 01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:51.399 that's the truth. And what I am as close to 1170 01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:53.960 one hundred percent certain that if you put me on 1171 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.479 a polygraph, I would come back just as perfect. Ye. 1172 01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:01.000 So there are other things that I could maybe point 1173 01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:03.720 fingers at, but then it kind of gets into muddying 1174 01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:06.680 the water because I don't really remember them that well. 1175 01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:11.479 Well, I think, yeah, no, that's that's good, And I 1176 01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:15.600 think what what I'd like to do, like, well, continue 1177 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:17.720 to you know, discussing a bit about what we're talking 1178 01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:23.920 about now, the things that you're le sure of. I'd 1179 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:29.560 like to look at a second a conversation just entirely 1180 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.359 focused on what you're not sure of, just because I 1181 01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:35.279 think there is some important information there. But I don't 1182 01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:37.479 want to muddy the waters in terms of what we're 1183 01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:41.359 speaking about. Now that you that you are willing to 1184 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:44.600 testify in a court of law about. So so let's 1185 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.119 continue focusing about any of the details about what you're 1186 01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.640 willing to swear to in a court of law, and 1187 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:55.600 then you know, then let's look at I would maybe 1188 01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:59.319 look at, say a second discussion and any follow on 1189 01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:04.680 questions for this discussion, or I might just look at 1190 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.319 getting everything transcribed and I'm just gonna look at it raw, 1191 01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:13.079 because honestly, in terms of you know, all that there's 1192 01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:19.600 obviously thousands and thousands of pieces of video footage film 1193 01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:25.159 that the FBI took that's all gone into the sum 1194 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.640 whoever's been trying to profit off of is nonsense. So 1195 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:34.159 what I'm looking at, I'm thinking even a combination like 1196 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.279 just a brief summary for me, like a paragraph, and 1197 01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:40.920 I'll even look at at just publishing the raw audio 1198 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:45.920 file of our discussion with the text messages, because I 1199 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:50.319 think the context is really important. I think, especially because 1200 01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:54.880 there's been so much collusion regarding copy editing of video 1201 01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:59.680 footage that you know, folks that are really wanting that 1202 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:03.319 are genuinely wanting justice, you know, for them to just 1203 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:07.079 hear the audio recordings and read the text messages. Is 1204 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:12.640 plain this day, anybody that experiences an ounce of integrity 1205 01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:16.199 will be able to discern the truth. And I think 1206 01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:17.600 it's so important. 1207 01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:22.199 And I kind of wanted to discuss one other thing too. 1208 01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:29.039 One kind of theme at these parties that that seemed 1209 01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:35.920 to be very very well thought out is they would 1210 01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:39.279 have a larger party in the beginning, right and and 1211 01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:43.039 in these larger parties you might have a couple of 1212 01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:47.239 fights or some drug use or uh you know, things 1213 01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:51.880 that that that that that were kind of with a 1214 01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:56.680 mildly illegal But the parties would go on for multiple days, 1215 01:16:56.720 --> 01:17:01.479 and as the thing wound down to the smaller inner circle, 1216 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:04.560 and the last day or last two days or whatever, 1217 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:08.920 that's when the really horrible shit happened. So some of 1218 01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:11.640 the people that attended the party, possibly even people like 1219 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:15.560 Clarence Thomas or Lindsey Graham, may have been involved in 1220 01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:22.760 lesser things. But then we're also at the same time 1221 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.319 and place where these more horrible things happened, but they 1222 01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:31.479 didn't necessarily participate in those more horrible things. So that 1223 01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:35.680 seemed to be an underlying theme of And this is 1224 01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.600 just me speculating here as an adult, where they would 1225 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:41.079 try to get these affluent people and all of these 1226 01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:45.560 positions of power and influence to come participate in these 1227 01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:48.680 parties where all of these things were going on, so 1228 01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:53.399 that you know, if Clarence Thomas, I'll just choose him, 1229 01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:55.840 if he was there at the party, well then surely 1230 01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:58.960 nothing you know, that nefarious could be going on type 1231 01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:03.239 of situations. Yeah, so it seemed to be very well 1232 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:06.159 thought out how they kind of did things. But as 1233 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:09.720 the party wound down, that's when people in my position 1234 01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:14.399 would really begin to get scared, because that's when either 1235 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:18.119 going to get assaulted and maybe really busted up, or 1236 01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:23.079 you know, I mean, even watching somebody dies is really 1237 01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:24.319 fucking horrible. 1238 01:18:25.159 --> 01:18:31.560 You know, did you see anyone else die besides Samantha 1239 01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:34.520 and Patricia? 1240 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:42.119 Yes, yes, so I watched. I watched a grown man 1241 01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:46.560 get beaten to death. He had done something that pissed 1242 01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:48.760 off the people that were running it, and they killed him. 1243 01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:54.520 I saw another girl in addition to Patricia. When I 1244 01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:56.439 was making the film with the girl, they came in 1245 01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:59.560 and shot her while we were having sex. That was 1246 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:04.760 some sort of a snuff film. And then in the brothel. 1247 01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:09.479 There were two people that got killed. Sarah killed herself 1248 01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:12.720 and then a girl I don't remember her name she 1249 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:16.560 was she was shot and killed. And then another girl 1250 01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:22.479 was also shot and killed. Okay, and or remember me 1251 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:26.039 and Samantha having to clean up. We didn't have to 1252 01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:28.560 do anything with the body, but I can remember me 1253 01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:31.159 and Samantha had to clean up the blood and everything 1254 01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:37.399 from both Sarah. Sarah's suicide, which was an assisted suicide. 1255 01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:42.239 Samantha actually shot Sarah, but Sarah wanted her to do it. 1256 01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:45.760 She just couldn't pull the trigger herself. So that's just 1257 01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:49.560 so Samantha did it. I was in the room when 1258 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:53.760 she did. It wasn't it wasn't a murder. Samantha didn't 1259 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.880 murder her. Sarah just I can remember her just saying, 1260 01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.960 I just I can't go to another party. I can't 1261 01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:01.720 here these. 1262 01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:04.680 You know, another of the victims. I don't know if 1263 01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:09.600 you've read about the British woman, Sarah Ransom was on 1264 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:13.199 the Epstein Island and tried to swim off the island 1265 01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:16.439 and was willing to drown then go through another. 1266 01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:22.319 Yeah, torture, I mean, it's it's some horrible, horrible ship. Yeah, 1267 01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:26.800 And you know, I can remember the Hillbillies that my 1268 01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:30.920 dad sold me to when I was small. They were mean, 1269 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:38.039 but I can remember the meanest motherfuckers are those rich people. 1270 01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:41.560 They are just demonic Trump included. 1271 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:47.000 Yeah, well I'm going to ask you some questions there again. 1272 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:50.680 So with the rich folks that you were sold to, 1273 01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:55.560 that was all associated with with the Epstein Trump trafficking ring. 1274 01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:58.800 And you said to me, thought Trump ran things with Epstein? 1275 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.800 Is that true? 1276 01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:04.479 Oh? Yes, he was not just a client. He was 1277 01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:09.199 one of the the people that facilitated all that stuff. 1278 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:14.319 It was almost like, uh, this is just my childhood 1279 01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:18.000 brain piecing it together. It was almost as if Epstein 1280 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:22.840 worked for Trump, and not just Trump, but him and 1281 01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:28.840 maybe six or eight other super rich guys so ran 1282 01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:33.520 it at the beheast of Trump and that circle of people. 1283 01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:37.159 So it was it was just a I couldn't tell 1284 01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.399 you how many people, but he was the only one 1285 01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:46.920 that that that I remember, that was at that level. 1286 01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:50.600 But it wasn't that Trump was a John visiting you know, 1287 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:58.600 Epstein's empire of of you know, child victims. It was 1288 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:03.399 Trump was in a position above Epstein. It was as 1289 01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:09.000 if Epstein worked for Trump. Yeah, and the rest of 1290 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:11.199 those ultra rich guys. 1291 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:14.520 Do you remember like he ran that ring? 1292 01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:15.399 Ye? 1293 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:22.359 No, no, I understand so Red So Jeffrey was sort 1294 01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:28.600 of presented publicly as the ringleader of the pedophile ring, 1295 01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:32.960 but Jeffrey was basically behaving like a general manager of 1296 01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:36.319 the ring. And then there was seven or eight other individuals, 1297 01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:41.399 such as Trump, that were actually actively running the ring, micromanaging, 1298 01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:43.039 telling Jeffrey what to do. 1299 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:46.800 He would give. 1300 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:55.159 Epstein that caliber person because it wasn't just Epstein. Epstein 1301 01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:57.319 had people that worked with him too, on a on 1302 01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:01.199 a lower level that would go like find runways and 1303 01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:01.840 stuff like that. 1304 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:02.199 Yeah. 1305 01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:05.279 So I don't I don't know where they got the people. 1306 01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:06.880 I can't. I can't say. 1307 01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:10.439 That, but you know it was it was this. 1308 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:14.119 This whole thing was being run as a yeah, and 1309 01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:15.840 for those rich people. Yeah. 1310 01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:19.880 I want to ask some more questions in terms of 1311 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:27.880 your sense of like the demonic some of some of 1312 01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:36.079 the advisor work, I've done, some of my own specifics 1313 01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:41.039 of law enforcement. You know, I've come into contact, I've 1314 01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:44.840 minimized any content with I'm familiar with a lot of 1315 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:52.439 really horrific COREUS stories that involve Satanists, a cult practitioner's 1316 01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:56.520 theistic Satanists. You know, I've I've spoken to folks that 1317 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:01.319 were able to get out of the theistic Satanist cults. 1318 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.199 A lot of the torture techniques you describe are similar 1319 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:13.239 to theistic Satanist torture techniques, sexual torture, human trafficking, human countabilism, 1320 01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:18.119 and what I wanted. You know, what's your sense in 1321 01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:21.520 terms of these parties that that? What do you remember? Like, 1322 01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:24.399 was there any overt I know a lot of the 1323 01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:30.439 attendees presented themselves as Christians, but their practices are full 1324 01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:34.720 blown demonic, satanic. Do you have the sense that any 1325 01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.439 of them were actually secretly practicing any sort of occult 1326 01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:43.319 rituals or were they just like rich, fiendish fake Christians 1327 01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:45.199 that just didn't experience a conscience. 1328 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:49.920 I think it's the latter, just rich fake Christians. I 1329 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:54.840 can tell you one thing specifically that Trump did, yeah, 1330 01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:02.399 and that I remember vividly. He I was exhausted, I 1331 01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:07.960 couldn't fight back, and he sat on my chest and 1332 01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:11.680 would choke me until I was unconscious. And each time 1333 01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:13.359 that he did it, he would say, I'm going to 1334 01:25:13.479 --> 01:25:16.159 kill you so and then he would choke me until 1335 01:25:16.159 --> 01:25:20.239 I was out, And you know, he did that, you know, 1336 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:22.680 half a dozen times or however many times, and I 1337 01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:26.039 can remember him saying, I thought I killed you that time, 1338 01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:27.960 I'm really going to do it this time, and then 1339 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:30.600 choke me again. So he would just do that over 1340 01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:32.520 and over again until he got bored of it. 1341 01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:37.039 So did you get the sense that he was trying 1342 01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:41.279 to kill you or just to tord you about the thought. 1343 01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:44.760 And in the moment, in the moment you think you're 1344 01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:48.680 going to die, and that that's the experience that he 1345 01:25:48.760 --> 01:25:51.960 wants to see the fear in another human beings eyes 1346 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:56.239 that thinks that that he's killing him, you know. But 1347 01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:59.600 looking back, I just think he was just torturing me. 1348 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.880 I don't think. I think had he wanted to kill me, 1349 01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:05.600 he could have. You know, he could have just kept 1350 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:08.800 choking me until I was I was gone, because I did. 1351 01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:12.840 I did get choked until I was unconscious. I don't 1352 01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:16.039 know as many as half a dozen times, maybe more. Yeah, 1353 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:20.479 you know, so that's the type of thing that he 1354 01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:25.560 would do or worse. You know, I believe I wouldn't 1355 01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:29.279 swear to this, but I believe that on that instance, 1356 01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:32.800 they had told my dad had told him, Hey, you 1357 01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:37.600 can't bust him up, you can't break stuff, you know, 1358 01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:44.800 because all his CPS bullshit. Yeah, so and I want 1359 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:47.479 to say, I want to say he was upset at 1360 01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:50.359 the end of that too because of the bruising. You know, 1361 01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:55.920 they didn't bring bones or anything. But you know, obviously 1362 01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:58.720 I had bruising around my neck and different bruises on 1363 01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:05.760 my body. And that's something else too that I'm just 1364 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.000 remembering right now as I'm talking to you. At least 1365 01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:13.479 one instance, the school nurse got CPS involved, I believe, 1366 01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:19.600 in both Tennessee and Alabama because of the bruises that 1367 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:22.600 I showed up to school with. You know. Of course, 1368 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:25.520 my parents just said, hey, he's clumsy, you know, he 1369 01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:29.079 fell out of a treehouse or whatever excuse they gave you. 1370 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:36.880 But there was it was looked into, but obviously nothing 1371 01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:38.920 nothing materialized from them. 1372 01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:46.119 So let me see. Can I call you back in 1373 01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:51.159 about ten minutes? Sure, I just I just want to 1374 01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:55.600 make sure I've got the recording set, you know. I 1375 01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:57.840 want to get into a file folder and get some 1376 01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:02.319 duplicates and then I'll call you back. Okay, it sounds good. 1377 01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:03.720 Talk to you in a minute. 1378 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:12.640 By to kind of recap what we were just talking about. 1379 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:16.720 One of the first memories, or one of the first 1380 01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:23.880 memories that teared itself into my consciousness because of being 1381 01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:27.720 what I perceived as a threat as a child, was 1382 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:33.399 watching Donald Trump kill a litter of puppies. He did 1383 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:35.600 it in a variety of ways. As I stood there. 1384 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:41.039 They made me stand there, and he would harm or 1385 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:43.640 kill the puppy and then look to see what my 1386 01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:48.399 reaction was. And in my child's brain that registered because 1387 01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:52.439 I viewed him as somebody more dangerous than my parents, 1388 01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:55.800 and I knew that they would hurt me. So in 1389 01:28:55.880 --> 01:29:01.600 my ability to reason reasoning was if they were worse 1390 01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.520 people than my parents, that they were somebody that might 1391 01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:11.279 kill mere. Well, that is why he was So that's 1392 01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:16.960 why I most of the stuff I just tried to forget. 1393 01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:23.239 But with him, with Andy and with Jim, I remembered 1394 01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:26.880 them because they the truth is, they scared me. 1395 01:29:27.479 --> 01:29:31.560 Yeah, okay, So I'm going to summarize a bit about 1396 01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:37.520 what we had discussed that wasn't recorded. So with Trump, 1397 01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:41.279 when Trump murdered the puppies and forced you to watch, 1398 01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:44.119 had Trump you were eight or nine years old, that 1399 01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:49.079 was your first remembrance of Trump, and had Trump sexually 1400 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:51.000 assaulted and tortured you already? 1401 01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:58.920 Maybe, but I don't recall I think what happened, and 1402 01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:04.880 I'm relatively certain, but I think that that was the 1403 01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:10.600 precursor to him sexually assaulting me. Think that that was 1404 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:16.159 in an effort to make the experiences as brutal as 1405 01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:20.680 possible for me. That was the same kind of em 1406 01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:30.039 that was used with Patricia later on. So it seemed 1407 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:34.000 to be that he would use his imagination as such 1408 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:37.920 to try to figure out what ways would be the 1409 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:39.479 most traumatic. 1410 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:42.439 To make the most traumatic experience. 1411 01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:46.119 To destroy somebody, kind of traumatize somebody to the maximum 1412 01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:51.560 potential possible. So that was the first template of that, 1413 01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:55.359 was watching him kill those puppies, and then the next 1414 01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:58.560 higher order of that. And I couldn't tell you exactly 1415 01:30:58.640 --> 01:31:02.600 how much time passed between, but I would say likely 1416 01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:06.479 a couple of years or at least a year later 1417 01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:10.079 before the incidents. 1418 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:12.880 With Patricia, okay, and the incident with Production. 1419 01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:20.439 At that point. At that point, I had already in 1420 01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:24.800 my mind, I had already thought, there's no way I'm 1421 01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:28.439 going to live through this anyway. They're just you know, 1422 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.640 they're just going to torture me to death anyway, so 1423 01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:35.159 I might as well do everything I can to fight. 1424 01:31:35.079 --> 01:31:38.800 Back, Okay. And so with the incident with Patricia, then 1425 01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:42.520 recapping they told you to go into another room with Patricia. 1426 01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:44.560 There was film they were filming. 1427 01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:49.479 No no, no, no. What happened with me and Patricia. 1428 01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:52.640 My dad before we got to the party said hey, 1429 01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:55.439 there may be somebody. You know. I had been trafficked 1430 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:59.600 with her previously, but she and I were as close 1431 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.439 to being friends as you could be. We were, you know, 1432 01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:06.159 in the same boat as far as you know, our 1433 01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:10.560 station in life. So we had kind of become friends. 1434 01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.920 And she ran up to me, and I can remember she's. 1435 01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:18.039 Saying, hey, come go with me, and I said, you know, 1436 01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:21.159 I can't. And my dad said, no, no, no, it's okay. 1437 01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:23.680 You guys go often have fun. 1438 01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.960 And I said, what do you mean. He said, you 1439 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:30.359 can go just have fun. You're an adult now. And 1440 01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:33.039 I can remember thinking, in my mind, I was wondering, 1441 01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:36.760 you know, what happens next. You know, the only thing 1442 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:39.479 that I knew of really of being an adult was 1443 01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:42.720 my dad. And I knew that he didn't go to 1444 01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:46.680 these parties and get assaulted. So in my mind, you know, 1445 01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:48.720 I thought, well, maybe. 1446 01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:49.840 That part of my life is over. 1447 01:32:50.479 --> 01:32:53.760 But anyway, we left, we wound up going into the farmhouse. 1448 01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:56.399 We went into the room, not at the beheadst of 1449 01:32:56.399 --> 01:33:01.359 anybody else. She wanted to have sex with me because 1450 01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:05.680 she knew I wouldn't hurt her. I believe I wouldn't 1451 01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:08.800 swear to this part, but I am relatively certain she 1452 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:12.920 and I had already made some movies together off, you know, 1453 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:15.439 not at the farm, but at you know, a shoot. 1454 01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:22.439 But I didn't. I didn't have sex in a way 1455 01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:25.039 that brutalized people, you know, because I kind of knew 1456 01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:30.399 how that fell. So it was a matter of her 1457 01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:33.159 kind of choosing somebody to try to go have sex with. 1458 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:36.880 She didn't she wouldn't be played in her life in 1459 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:39.239 danger by having sex with the you know, one of 1460 01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:43.000 these rich guys. So we went in and started having sex. 1461 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:46.720 This was not in front of anybody who wasn't film 1462 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:47.479 that I know of. 1463 01:33:48.079 --> 01:33:50.439 It was just we kind. 1464 01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:52.800 Of if we were going to have the opportunity to 1465 01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:54.840 go have sex with somebody, we were going to go 1466 01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:59.600 have sex with each other because that in that instance, 1467 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:03.199 neither of us would get hurt. But while we were 1468 01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:08.239 in that room. After some period of time, the people 1469 01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:12.880 at that party busted in six five, six eight, maybe people, 1470 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:18.239 big people, adults. At least one of them had a gun. 1471 01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:20.039 I think three or four of them had a gun, 1472 01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:24.399 to be honest with you. But then they assaulted her 1473 01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:28.800 with me at gunpoint, and then they killed it in 1474 01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:31.760 front of me and said, that's what's going to happen 1475 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:34.159 to you if you don't do everything the next person 1476 01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:36.479 that walks in this room what they want. 1477 01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:39.079 Do you think they knew Trump was going to walk 1478 01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:42.520 in the room. Do you think do you think they 1479 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:45.439 had premeditated that Trump would walk in the room next? 1480 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:49.359 Oh yes, yeah, yeah. I think that would be just 1481 01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:53.760 part of the experience for him, you know, to get 1482 01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:58.640 to traumatize me. And for all I know he was 1483 01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:03.199 watching through a you know, cracking the wall. I don't 1484 01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:03.800 know about that. 1485 01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:11.199 So like an escalation from the puppies, yes, okay. So 1486 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:14.159 Trump would traumatize you first and then sexually assault you. 1487 01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:16.880 There was the incident with when Trump murdered the puppies 1488 01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:19.640 and forced you to watch, and then the incident went 1489 01:35:20.520 --> 01:35:27.760 Trump had Patricia killed, yes, okay, and then that's the 1490 01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:34.520 incident with Patricia. We spoke about where Trump assaulted you, 1491 01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:38.520 tortured you, and then Trump wanted you to engage in 1492 01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:42.479 sex with Trump. And you found the tent pig and 1493 01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:46.600 got a condom on and then inserted the Kingdom in 1494 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:52.359 trump anus just as hard as you could. 1495 01:35:52.720 --> 01:36:00.079 Yeah, yeah, And my understandable plan was to continue hurting 1496 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:02.960 him to death. But as soon as I did that, 1497 01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:08.199 he started screaming and those same people busted back in it. 1498 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:15.479 So and then what occurred we my dad was at 1499 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:17.319 that party, obviously not in that room. 1500 01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:22.680 It was just these other people. But we did not 1501 01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:26.439 get a faulted or anything at that party. They didn't 1502 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:29.800 know what to do at that point, so we left. 1503 01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:33.079 We didn't get beat up. I didn't get further assaulted 1504 01:36:33.119 --> 01:36:33.800 by anyone. 1505 01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:37.600 But some period of time passed, a. 1506 01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:41.399 Week, two weeks, six weeks. I couldn't tell you how 1507 01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:44.520 much time, but I can remember my. 1508 01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:47.920 Dad saying, we've got to go face the music. So, 1509 01:36:49.039 --> 01:36:50.239 you know, I can. 1510 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:52.680 Remember him talking to me like I had I had 1511 01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:54.960 done something wrong. He said, you can't do that to 1512 01:36:55.000 --> 01:37:02.119 the rich people. You know you're there there, You're gonna 1513 01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:04.439 get beat up, is basically what he said. He said, 1514 01:37:04.479 --> 01:37:07.079 you've been beat up before, it's gonna be just like that. 1515 01:37:07.319 --> 01:37:12.239 You'll you'll be okay. But I can remember him saying, 1516 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:14.439 you can't fight back with the candless folks. 1517 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:18.039 Mm hmm. And that's when you were taken to the farm. 1518 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:25.039 And then six or maybe ten different groups. It was 1519 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:27.439 it's just like, yeah, it was. 1520 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:30.399 It was at least three or four or five people 1521 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:34.560 at a time in these groups. Because I think by 1522 01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:37.119 that point I was, well, I had to I had 1523 01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:40.159 done what I did to Trump. They knew that that 1524 01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:43.439 I was kind of in a like a homicidal type 1525 01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:46.479 of rage, so they made sure to have enough people 1526 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:50.560 that that they felt safe because also my dad could 1527 01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:53.800 fight too, and he was there, so they had in 1528 01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:59.439 each of these little groups, they had enough that they 1529 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:02.680 know that they I'm sure that they could overpower both 1530 01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:05.800 me and my dad because my dad's no slouch either. 1531 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:08.479 I could fight like a little wolverine even as a 1532 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:11.399 child because of how I came up. Well, he was 1533 01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:14.319 a bare knuckle boxer and a tough man type of dude, 1534 01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:19.399 so he could fight too. But it was like they 1535 01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:24.399 took us from station to station, you know, to I 1536 01:38:24.399 --> 01:38:29.439 don't know, just to increase, the the uh, the horror 1537 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:29.720 of it. 1538 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:37.000 I guess I really premeditated seems like premeditative, like, well, 1539 01:38:37.239 --> 01:38:40.199 what I know of Trump is that Trump would attempt 1540 01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:45.600 to premeditatedly stage such a scene to terrorize you relatorily. 1541 01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:51.479 Yes, yes, So he wasn't there at that I assume 1542 01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:54.319 that he was. It was a close enough time frame 1543 01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:59.319 that he was still recovering. Yeah, but uh, I can 1544 01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:02.720 remember that even my dad having the conversation with the people, 1545 01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:07.119 because of the level that they had kind of taken 1546 01:39:07.159 --> 01:39:12.399 it to to get me to that homicide rage. I 1547 01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:15.520 remember my dad arguing that it was unreasonable. He said, 1548 01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:18.720 you know, this is just what happens when you push 1549 01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:20.079 somebody far enough, you know. 1550 01:39:21.079 --> 01:39:25.439 So then they argument. So then they took you to 1551 01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:30.239 different locations, several groups at a time, tortured and assaulted 1552 01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:32.880 you sexually. And then at one point you said, they 1553 01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:35.600 they hosed you off with a garden hose. And what 1554 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:38.479 did they say say again to your dad that you 1555 01:39:38.520 --> 01:39:40.359 were dirty and to hose you. 1556 01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:45.720 Off that Yeah, they said, he's disgusting, Just take a 1557 01:39:45.720 --> 01:39:51.000 garden hose to him or something. And somebody went inside 1558 01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:55.000 the house and got a bar of soap, and I remember. 1559 01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:56.960 They threw it at me and hit me in the head, 1560 01:39:57.640 --> 01:39:58.079 and that. 1561 01:39:58.119 --> 01:40:02.159 They all thought that was funny. And I was struggling 1562 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:06.199 because I had to get the soap from the ground, 1563 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:11.640 and I can remember being hit to the point where 1564 01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:16.399 I was just having trouble grasping the soap, not just 1565 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:18.319 from a standpoint of like being able to see it, 1566 01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:21.920 but like from the coordination aspect of it, just because 1567 01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:24.520 I'd been hitting the head and body and everything so 1568 01:40:24.640 --> 01:40:28.000 much that I even had difficulty in getting the soap. 1569 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:32.239 So they made me take a shower with while they 1570 01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:35.239 stood there with the garden hose just hosing me off, 1571 01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:39.399 and I can remember getting really cold from that. But 1572 01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:41.479 then it wasn't over. That would have been about the 1573 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:42.720 halfway point. 1574 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:46.199 And you said it was sexual assault followed by beatings. 1575 01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:47.479 In all of those. 1576 01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:52.079 Cases, yes, some people didn't even want to sexually assault me. 1577 01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:54.039 Some people just wanted to beat the hell out of me. 1578 01:40:54.239 --> 01:40:57.039 So not all of them, they got to do whatever 1579 01:40:57.039 --> 01:41:01.399 they wanted, but with all of the different people that 1580 01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:06.119 included some sort of physical assault, physical and sexual assault 1581 01:41:06.680 --> 01:41:11.520 or just the physical. There weren't any instances of just 1582 01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:15.439 sexual assault. It was it was. It was a round 1583 01:41:16.479 --> 01:41:20.079 causing damage to me and and at towards the end 1584 01:41:20.119 --> 01:41:24.079 of it, I can remember my dad saying he can't 1585 01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:27.800 take anymore. I want to die. Yeah, And you know, 1586 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:30.880 at that point he had like drugged me because I 1587 01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:35.119 couldn't walk or anything. To one of the groups and 1588 01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:37.920 they said, if if he can't take anymore, it's not 1589 01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:40.399 over with, you're going to take the rest of it. 1590 01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:43.640 And he said, fine, because I'm going to go to 1591 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:47.600 jail any to kill him. So they beat the absolute 1592 01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:52.399 hell out of him too. I can remember my dad 1593 01:41:52.640 --> 01:41:56.439 kind of carried me away from the last like a 1594 01:41:56.560 --> 01:42:00.680 group of people, and I think he had a change 1595 01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:05.960 those or something for me. And it took a while, 1596 01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:11.520 like at thirty minutes or something, but I finally got 1597 01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:16.199 fuir enough I could breathe and everything to where I 1598 01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:18.119 walked out of there with help. 1599 01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:21.399 And then is that when they took you to Andy 1600 01:42:21.439 --> 01:42:25.279 Biggs or Andy Biggs towards thereafter? 1601 01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:30.439 Not immediately thereafter, but another week or two passed, or 1602 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:35.319 maybe maybe a month, week two whatever. It was healed 1603 01:42:36.039 --> 01:42:41.039 as far as my most of my bruises and stuff 1604 01:42:41.079 --> 01:42:45.039 like that from the first forim incident by the time 1605 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:50.399 I went to Andy Biggs, and of the physical assaults, 1606 01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:54.840 his the worst. He kept beating me until my ribs 1607 01:42:55.039 --> 01:43:00.000 were broken. I've turned blue convulsion. If you get beaten enough, 1608 01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:04.399 as you try to breathe, you just kind of click. 1609 01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:08.039 I can't describe it any other way than that. It's 1610 01:43:08.079 --> 01:43:09.119 not even a weed. 1611 01:43:09.079 --> 01:43:12.479 Or anything, but you're You're like diaphragm. 1612 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.159 Or something locks up and you just start clicking. 1613 01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:15.840 M h. 1614 01:43:16.439 --> 01:43:20.760 Some people call that like the death rattle. Yeah, that's 1615 01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:23.560 point to which you be to where when I would 1616 01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:26.600 try to breathe, my my chest would just make this 1617 01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:33.079 clicking noise. HM. I don't know how to just no. 1618 01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:37.520 You described that extremely extremely clearly. Like I said, I 1619 01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:41.800 appreciate your forthrightness. Now, you and I had spoken, and 1620 01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:46.399 you said that your dad told you that after the 1621 01:43:46.479 --> 01:43:51.000 incident with Andy Biggs, that that your dad said that 1622 01:43:51.479 --> 01:43:56.239 Trump and Trump's associates said that whatever debt they thought 1623 01:43:56.279 --> 01:43:59.079 you owed because you fought back against Trump, that the 1624 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:03.000 debt was paid, and the debt was you getting raped 1625 01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:09.760 and beaten brutally by all those individuals, including anti Bigs. Yes, 1626 01:44:10.199 --> 01:44:13.760 and then you said that you don't recall attending any 1627 01:44:13.760 --> 01:44:16.319 more parties after that, and you weren't serviced because they 1628 01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:19.439 thought you aged out because you were twelve or thirteen, 1629 01:44:20.439 --> 01:44:24.039 or whether they just thought you were much too much 1630 01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:26.479 of a hassle, like they could get caught. 1631 01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:31.399 I think all of that came into play, yes, or. 1632 01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:34.760 They might wanted to behave vindicted towards your dad about 1633 01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:36.520 whatever money your dad was earning. 1634 01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:44.439 Do you think I couldn't speak any of that corner. Yeah, 1635 01:44:44.560 --> 01:44:47.880 I'm not even sure, like the financial arrangements or anything 1636 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:51.159 like that. I can remember that when they sent me to. 1637 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:53.600 The brothel, they were upset that they. 1638 01:44:53.479 --> 01:44:57.119 Didn't make more money. And then I can remember Lynn 1639 01:44:57.159 --> 01:45:00.319 being absolutely furious because they were going to get they 1640 01:45:00.359 --> 01:45:03.760 paid a from doing The Child Born in Tennessee, but 1641 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.720 they wound up losing money on the deal because they 1642 01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:11.960 got stiffed by whoever bought the film when it was 1643 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:16.640 when it was done, and they had to spend I 1644 01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:18.960 think some money on a lawyer. So it was a 1645 01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:23.600 net loss for them. It was something to do with 1646 01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:26.560 like the film wasn't as long as what they they 1647 01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:31.239 agreed to pay money for, so they didn't they didn't 1648 01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:39.560 make as much. And you know, but the film. 1649 01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:41.960 Okay, and the filming, most of the filming, the parties 1650 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:46.359 was all associated with Trump and the Trump Epstein just 1651 01:45:46.439 --> 01:45:50.159 laying Panophile ring, different layers of parties. 1652 01:45:50.399 --> 01:45:53.119 But it's a it's a whole bunch of people. It's 1653 01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:58.359 just that from my childhood perspective, what I saw, what 1654 01:45:58.520 --> 01:46:02.159 I thought that I saw, he was the big boss, 1655 01:46:02.279 --> 01:46:05.840 Donald Donald Trump was the big boss. And then Epstein 1656 01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:10.279 was like, like you said, like the manager or something. 1657 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:13.239 And then you had lower level people like my dad 1658 01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:17.520 that kind of went out and found girls or coordinated, 1659 01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:26.199 you know, at the ground level of things. Yeah, Epstein himself, 1660 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.279 he just sought out people like my dad that would 1661 01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:35.239 fell you know, their adopted child, their actual child or whatever. 1662 01:46:35.920 --> 01:46:38.680 So those are the different layers of people. 1663 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:51.560 But that Trump was involved in a lot of the planning, micromanaging, filming, certainly. 1664 01:46:51.199 --> 01:46:56.520 The payouts, because I know that when I was offered 1665 01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:01.960 to Trump, the the excitement that was in the house 1666 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:05.720 from Lynn particularly, was that this is going to be 1667 01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:08.680 the big payday. You know, we have made it up 1668 01:47:08.720 --> 01:47:12.399 to the highest level of this thing sort of so 1669 01:47:12.479 --> 01:47:16.159 to speak, because they would they would sell me at 1670 01:47:16.199 --> 01:47:21.359 a lower level to people that they knew, you know, 1671 01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:25.039 not this is outside of the parties. But obviously they 1672 01:47:25.079 --> 01:47:28.000 don't have the type of money that these rich folks have, 1673 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:31.880 so that wasn't really a big payday. And they were 1674 01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:34.920 nervous about taking that kind of money because they were 1675 01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:39.720 accepting this large amount of risks for a very really 1676 01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:43.079 little amount of reward, and they were excited to make 1677 01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:46.239 it to the level of Donald Trump, because I think 1678 01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:48.399 the payday that they were supposed to get was twenty 1679 01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:52.239 five thousand dollars. May have been another sum, but that's 1680 01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:55.960 just the sum that I remember, and that may not 1681 01:47:56.039 --> 01:48:00.640 sound like a lot, especially today, but for our h 1682 01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:04.560 left standard of living, that would have been a fairly 1683 01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:05.800 size of a chunk of money. 1684 01:48:06.239 --> 01:48:11.439 M and you so, and we spoke about in terms 1685 01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:13.439 of the years when you were about nine to ten 1686 01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:19.159 years old, maybe eight years old until about thirteen, and 1687 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:21.560 most of the parties there were only three or four 1688 01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:31.199 kids there, sometimes only you, yes, and the difference we have, yeah. 1689 01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:33.920 And they would almost always have at least one girl there, 1690 01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:38.840 so that I'm sure that the mentality of that would be, 1691 01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:44.039 you know, have a boy or a girl to choose from. 1692 01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:47.680 And there may have been children at these parties that 1693 01:48:47.840 --> 01:48:51.640 were in attendance that I just didn't see because I 1694 01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:55.279 was being abused, you know, in like a bedroom of 1695 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:59.840 the farmhouse or some other location, and there could have 1696 01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:03.239 been more people there. I can't you know, I can't 1697 01:49:03.279 --> 01:49:07.239 really say exactly that you get kind of just just 1698 01:49:07.319 --> 01:49:13.479 from a standpoint of of the experience, you very much 1699 01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:18.239 just kind of look lock onto your surroundings to try 1700 01:49:18.279 --> 01:49:21.439 to stay alive. You know, you're looking at the person 1701 01:49:21.600 --> 01:49:25.319 that you're having this encounter with, anything that you could 1702 01:49:25.319 --> 01:49:28.920 potentially use for a weapon, escape point paths, and stuff 1703 01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:33.560 like that. Very much. You're in survival modes, so you 1704 01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:37.680 tend to hyper focus on just what's immediately around you. 1705 01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:41.520 So there may have been additional things going on, but 1706 01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:43.760 I really wasn't paying attention. 1707 01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:48.119 To those, Okay, okay. And we spoke about the average 1708 01:49:48.159 --> 01:49:51.640 age was like nine or ten years old. In some cases. 1709 01:49:52.760 --> 01:49:59.199 Lay adult prostitutes were there too, so the younger and 1710 01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:02.960 is not and all the way up to you know, 1711 01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:07.439 young ladies seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty year olds, you know. 1712 01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:12.520 And did you ever see Andy Big sexually assault and 1713 01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:13.600 torture anyone else? 1714 01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:16.800 No? No, not that I can recall. 1715 01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:18.560 No, And what about Jim Jordan. 1716 01:50:20.079 --> 01:50:24.000 No, I remember him from that one instance. I'm not 1717 01:50:24.039 --> 01:50:27.840 saying that he wasn't an additional but I only remember 1718 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:31.720 him that there was, And I can remember a bunch 1719 01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:34.319 of people being there, but to be honest with you, 1720 01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:38.399 the rest of them just kind of kind of meld together, 1721 01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:44.000 you know, I mean just a bunch of adults, you know, 1722 01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:49.159 kind of a crowd of people. The ones that I 1723 01:50:49.319 --> 01:50:53.159 focused on, the ones that I remember, are the ones 1724 01:50:53.560 --> 01:50:56.479 that feared into my brain that this this person could 1725 01:50:56.560 --> 01:51:00.479 kill me next time. Yeah, So I need, I need 1726 01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:03.079 to remember this type of type of deal. And that's 1727 01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:04.199 those three. 1728 01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:08.119 Yeah, and then Trump during all those years. Now, did 1729 01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:13.399 you ever see Clarence Thomas more than once or Lindy Graham? 1730 01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:19.279 I could have, but I only remembered Lindsay because his mannerisms, 1731 01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:22.960 particularly when he's not in the public spotlight, are very effeminate. 1732 01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:23.920 Yeah, So. 1733 01:51:25.479 --> 01:51:28.399 That stood out to me, and Clarence stood out to me. 1734 01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:33.079 And I only remember them seeing them at one of 1735 01:51:33.079 --> 01:51:37.640 those parties before anything happened. So I'm not saying that 1736 01:51:37.760 --> 01:51:41.600 they were necessarily involved in abuse. They could have been. 1737 01:51:41.680 --> 01:51:45.239 They could have even been involved in abuse that included me. 1738 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:49.159 I just can't swear to that, but he stood out 1739 01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:49.640 because of. 1740 01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:52.880 His mannerisms being so effeminate. I believe the people that 1741 01:51:52.920 --> 01:51:55.920 I was around, my dad and whoever he was talking 1742 01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:59.880 to at the time, joking and laughing about those manner 1743 01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:05.039 And then I remember Clarence because he's a black man. 1744 01:52:05.119 --> 01:52:06.680 Not only is he black man, but he's kind of 1745 01:52:06.680 --> 01:52:09.800 a dark skinned black man. So in that group of people, 1746 01:52:10.359 --> 01:52:14.359 he stood out a lot because, yeah, he was the 1747 01:52:14.359 --> 01:52:15.159 only black guy. 1748 01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:21.079 There, Okay. And then in terms of we talked about 1749 01:52:21.920 --> 01:52:30.680 transportation plane, airplane, helicopter, automobile, you said there was usually 1750 01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:33.439 only there weren't a lot of folks on the plane. 1751 01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:39.239 Maybe sometimes three or four other kids. Sometimes you just 1752 01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:47.039 do you whichever adults on the plane. When with the 1753 01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:50.399 snuff movies, were any of those shot on the farm 1754 01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:52.720 that you remember or those were you said were at 1755 01:52:52.720 --> 01:52:54.079 different locations? 1756 01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:57.479 Those were at different locations? 1757 01:52:58.119 --> 01:53:00.239 And how many folks did you see killed in the 1758 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:02.840 snuff movies that you saw filmed. 1759 01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:11.640 That that was filmed for sure, one hundred percent. I 1760 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:17.520 only remember that one. Now, if they filmed Patricia being shot, 1761 01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:20.439 that would be too. But the other one was on 1762 01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:23.720 on like what you would think of as a movie set, 1763 01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:29.640 you know, probably just a warehouse, somebody's basement. I couldn't 1764 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:32.159 tell you the location, but it was. It wasn't just 1765 01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:36.000 a handheld you know, VHS camporder. It was something on 1766 01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:40.880 a tripod with lights and things like that. And we 1767 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:43.920 were having sex and somebody walked in and just shot 1768 01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:46.479 her in the head. And I don't remember her name. 1769 01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:53.239 So as a similar mos with Patricia. 1770 01:53:51.399 --> 01:53:55.680 Yes, but there was no additional assault to me afterwards. 1771 01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:59.279 But yes, it was similar to what happened there. 1772 01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:02.880 Other than with Patricia. 1773 01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:06.359 They busted in. It was, however, many of them. There 1774 01:54:06.479 --> 01:54:10.199 was about half a dozen, and I had to stand 1775 01:54:10.199 --> 01:54:12.159 there and watch, kind of like I had too with 1776 01:54:12.199 --> 01:54:16.600 the puppies while they abused her first and then shot her. 1777 01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:20.800 Did Patricia say anything to you before Patricia was shot? 1778 01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:23.920 Do you remember anything? Did Patricia say anything all during 1779 01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:25.039 the assault. 1780 01:54:27.520 --> 01:54:31.399 I can remember her asking to just die, please just 1781 01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:36.640 kill me. And I can remember telling Patricia because this 1782 01:54:36.680 --> 01:54:43.039 is what Samantha had said to Sarah before Samantha shot her, 1783 01:54:44.119 --> 01:54:47.399 was You're gonna come be with me now, I love you, 1784 01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:51.560 and then she shot her. So I said the same thing. 1785 01:54:51.840 --> 01:55:03.239 To Patricia, and then they shot her. 1786 01:55:08.640 --> 01:55:12.720 There really aren't any English language words that convey you know, 1787 01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:21.520 I'm glad that you found each other, that you found 1788 01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:24.560 some way that you could find some sort of friendship 1789 01:55:25.239 --> 01:55:31.800 and such heroine circumstances. I'm so sad, but you know, 1790 01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:33.199 maybe just a. 1791 01:55:33.239 --> 01:55:36.359 Sweet, sweet little girl, you know, And that's what these 1792 01:55:36.359 --> 01:55:42.000 people are and this world is just not me. 1793 01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:47.479 Yeah. Do you have a sense that that Trump and 1794 01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:52.560 those perpetrators would specifically try to look for children they 1795 01:55:52.560 --> 01:55:57.840 thought were really innocent to torture, like the puppies, like 1796 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.880 the more innocent they wanted to get more. 1797 01:56:02.319 --> 01:56:06.239 Yes, it was about the the experience to them didn't 1798 01:56:06.239 --> 01:56:08.840 seem to be all that sexual in nature. It was 1799 01:56:08.920 --> 01:56:15.119 about taking a h bright, little energetic youth and then 1800 01:56:15.319 --> 01:56:23.359 just destroying that person, even if not physically necessarily, but 1801 01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:30.560 psychologically and emotionally like like to the point where they 1802 01:56:31.399 --> 01:56:34.640 just really were traumatized for life. 1803 01:56:35.199 --> 01:56:35.600 Mm hmm. 1804 01:56:36.359 --> 01:56:39.199 That was that was what they seemed to enjoy doing. 1805 01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:43.159 And my mother, Mary ben Riley, was of the exact 1806 01:56:43.239 --> 01:56:48.960 same personality flaws that those rich people were, and as 1807 01:56:49.000 --> 01:56:51.920 bad as my dad is and as far as human 1808 01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:55.159 beings go, I would I would I would say that 1809 01:56:55.199 --> 01:56:59.600 he's just about a failure in every way. He wasn't 1810 01:56:59.680 --> 01:57:05.199 even that bad. There was just some semblance of conscious 1811 01:57:05.279 --> 01:57:08.239 with him, Like I can remember at that party in 1812 01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:13.720 him just about breaking down into tears because it was 1813 01:57:14.920 --> 01:57:20.239 effecting emotionally to see me take that level of punishment 1814 01:57:20.359 --> 01:57:24.560 or abuse or whatever. So Lynn would have. Lynn was 1815 01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:27.880 a type of person. She would have smiled and laughed 1816 01:57:27.920 --> 01:57:30.399 and had a really good time. That's who she was, 1817 01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:34.720 and that's who Donald Trump is, and that's who any 1818 01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:40.000 it is. Those three, those three are like the last 1819 01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:44.520 level of human as far as depravity goes. I mean, 1820 01:57:44.680 --> 01:57:48.399 there's there's nothing in the way of watching another person 1821 01:57:48.479 --> 01:57:51.239 suffer that they didn't seem to enjoy would be the 1822 01:57:51.279 --> 01:57:52.479 best way to put it. 1823 01:57:52.560 --> 01:58:01.119 So would be similar sort of psychopathy as John wyn Gacy. 1824 01:58:02.039 --> 01:58:11.800 Yeah. Yeah, if you can remember the Aanta was the 1825 01:58:11.800 --> 01:58:14.800 first and maybe only person that Lynn got to kill, 1826 01:58:14.840 --> 01:58:21.399 and I remember her being upset that she didn't get 1827 01:58:21.439 --> 01:58:27.640 to be the one to kill her. H And that's 1828 01:58:27.680 --> 01:58:30.560 the last part of what they used is leverage against me, 1829 01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:34.920 and they had damaged her to the point where she 1830 01:58:35.079 --> 01:58:39.359 was probably going to die anyway. But Samantha asked me, 1831 01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:41.680 they threw her in the room. They had cut off 1832 01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:45.960 one of her toes. She was she was not in 1833 01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:47.880 a good way. I think that maybe they had broken 1834 01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:53.239 her arm, but she was. She was suffering, and she 1835 01:58:53.359 --> 01:58:55.760 asked me to choke her to death, and I did, 1836 01:58:56.520 --> 01:58:59.399 and they used that. My parents used that as leverage 1837 01:58:59.439 --> 01:59:03.000 against me for a period of time, telling me that 1838 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:07.479 I was the only one guilty of murder. So in 1839 01:59:07.560 --> 01:59:15.439 my childhood brain, I thought that made sense. But I 1840 01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:19.520 just did for Sammy what Samy kinda did for Sarah. 1841 01:59:19.640 --> 01:59:21.920 That's how you were looking at. Okay, So let's just 1842 01:59:22.000 --> 01:59:24.159 recap because that's important. I don't want that to give 1843 01:59:24.239 --> 01:59:31.960 miss construed. So Samantha Sarah, Patricia, which one was African American? Again, 1844 01:59:33.159 --> 01:59:38.079 Amantha Samantha. So Samantha was African American. And you're all 1845 01:59:38.479 --> 01:59:44.920 tortured and trafficked by Trump and the Trump Epstein Pentophile ring. Yeah, 1846 01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:50.439 brutally tortured. When Sarah was going to commit suicide, Sarah 1847 01:59:50.479 --> 01:59:56.359 was afraid to pull the trigger, and Samantha pulled the trigger, 1848 01:59:57.199 --> 02:00:00.880 and so that Samantha could die. Amanda was afraid to 1849 02:00:00.920 --> 02:00:07.479 commit suicide. Samantha ask Sarah asked, Samantha Sarah asked to 1850 02:00:07.520 --> 02:00:15.000 pull the trigger. And then when the room, Sarah. 1851 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:16.439 Had asked for me to be in the room too 1852 02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:23.199 because she wanted we cared about each other. Me, Sarah, Samantha, 1853 02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:26.279 and Patricia were all just like we kind of you know, 1854 02:00:26.359 --> 02:00:28.760 three musketeers or whatever. We kind of stuck with each 1855 02:00:28.760 --> 02:00:32.840 other because we did the best we could look out 1856 02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:36.880 for one another. But she wanted me to be in 1857 02:00:36.880 --> 02:00:39.520 the room too because she wanted to dive around the 1858 02:00:39.560 --> 02:00:41.960 people that she loved. And at that point it was 1859 02:00:42.000 --> 02:00:44.479 just me and Samantha. I don't, I don't. 1860 02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:49.039 And that at the brothel again, well what was the kid? Yeah, okay, 1861 02:00:49.880 --> 02:00:51.960 that was at the brothel, okay, And so that's when 1862 02:00:52.039 --> 02:00:55.520 Sarah died. And then they had to clean up, clean up. 1863 02:00:57.159 --> 02:00:59.880 The adults came in and took the body, took Sarah's, 1864 02:01:00.359 --> 02:01:03.479 but I remember Samantha and I had to use the 1865 02:01:03.880 --> 02:01:05.920 you know for clean the solutions and clean up all 1866 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:07.199 the blood and stuff like that. 1867 02:01:08.600 --> 02:01:15.319 And then when Marie Lynn and William Kyle tortured Samantha 1868 02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:20.920 almost to death, Samantha was going to die, and then 1869 02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:28.000 Samantha asked you to kill Samantha. Similar that Sarah asked 1870 02:01:28.720 --> 02:01:33.600 Samantha to kill Sarah. 1871 02:01:31.920 --> 02:01:38.399 She showed me how to choke her and I didn't. 1872 02:01:42.239 --> 02:01:46.560 What else did did she say? 1873 02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:51.479 Samantha, Yeah, she. 1874 02:01:51.560 --> 02:01:55.399 Just saved me, she said, to say save her. 1875 02:01:56.199 --> 02:02:00.199 She made me promise to live life both of them. 1876 02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.159 She made me promise that I would get through it. 1877 02:02:12.359 --> 02:02:15.000 What do you think marie Lynn and William would have 1878 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:18.960 done to Samantha if Samantha couldn't have died. 1879 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:22.119 They just would have kept beating on her until she 1880 02:02:22.279 --> 02:02:27.439 was dead. So a couple of weeks, probably a. 1881 02:02:27.399 --> 02:02:30.520 Couple of weeks. So they tortured Samanta during a couple 1882 02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:35.199 of weeks, and then Samantha asked you to kill Samantha. 1883 02:02:35.279 --> 02:02:40.159 Because Samantha didn't want to die getting tortured by William 1884 02:02:40.239 --> 02:02:41.199 Kyle and Marie Lynn. 1885 02:02:42.840 --> 02:02:45.600 She said, I can't go back in there. I can't 1886 02:02:45.600 --> 02:02:51.079 do it again. Yeah, because they would. They had us 1887 02:02:51.119 --> 02:02:54.960 locked in like a little storage room. Yeah, and they 1888 02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:57.319 would pull us out one at a time and torture 1889 02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:02.920 us and then throw us back in there together. And 1890 02:03:02.960 --> 02:03:06.840 that last day they threw her back in there at night, 1891 02:03:07.640 --> 02:03:10.000 and I can remember we stayed up almost all night 1892 02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:17.159 talking yea. And I remember when day Bread kit. She said, 1893 02:03:17.199 --> 02:03:22.439 I got You've got to do it. I can't. I can't. Basically, 1894 02:03:22.520 --> 02:03:24.720 she could not face them again. And she knew that 1895 02:03:24.840 --> 02:03:34.199 shortly after sunrise. You know my parents were young. Yeah, 1896 02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:39.239 so when I filed the police report, I told them 1897 02:03:39.279 --> 02:03:45.199 that same thing, so that the police report that was 1898 02:03:45.239 --> 02:03:49.239 never followed up. You did that in lack And, Oklahoma. 1899 02:03:49.760 --> 02:03:52.079 In Oklahoma and so you talked when you talk to 1900 02:03:52.119 --> 02:03:55.640 the police, he said, Samantha had asked you to kill 1901 02:03:55.680 --> 02:03:59.239 Samantha because Samantha couldn't get bear getting tortured by your 1902 02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:02.720 parents anymore. And you told the police, and the police 1903 02:04:02.760 --> 02:04:07.159 never fold up. In Oklahoma, they I. 1904 02:04:07.479 --> 02:04:11.960 Throwd out a whole report. I was recorded. I gave 1905 02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:15.760 them the exact same story I'm telling you, and I 1906 02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:21.000 never heard back from them. And I don't know why. 1907 02:04:21.199 --> 02:04:25.439 I don't know how deep they dug. I don't know 1908 02:04:26.039 --> 02:04:30.399 why that investigation stoleed. But at the conclusion of that, 1909 02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:34.760 I felt as though law enforcement was not somebody that 1910 02:04:35.399 --> 02:04:41.640 would do anything because I know that the investigations have 1911 02:04:41.800 --> 02:04:46.760 to be somewhere. Yeah, my parents were investigated over and 1912 02:04:46.800 --> 02:04:50.800 over and over again, particularly my dad, in three different states. 1913 02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:53.520 Seems like there were some more different. 1914 02:04:53.239 --> 02:04:57.079 States, more different states, because Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, and they 1915 02:04:57.119 --> 02:04:59.760 tried to kill me in Florida. There was another investigation 1916 02:04:59.840 --> 02:05:03.520 in that followed them back to Alabama. 1917 02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:11.279 So you know, I have a question for you. Yes, 1918 02:05:11.920 --> 02:05:14.920 this is specific regarding with Trump again, and I think 1919 02:05:14.960 --> 02:05:19.399 it might help in terms of sort of just establishing something. 1920 02:05:20.079 --> 02:05:25.960 When you kicked the the tent peg into Trump's anus, 1921 02:05:26.640 --> 02:05:33.439 you said it tore Trump's backside open, anus open. There's 1922 02:05:33.479 --> 02:05:41.199 a lot of gossip discussion about Donald Trump's being incontinent 1923 02:05:41.640 --> 02:05:47.159 since several years ago. I remember some folks that worked 1924 02:05:47.199 --> 02:05:49.680 on the television series The Apprentice. They said Donald Trump 1925 02:05:49.760 --> 02:05:53.560 had to wear diapers and that I would. 1926 02:05:53.359 --> 02:05:56.239 Bet it's because I ripped him open. 1927 02:05:57.199 --> 02:06:01.199 That's that's that's what That's what my senses is that 1928 02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:05.640 some of the gossip has been, oh, Trump had used 1929 02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:10.720 adderall Trump was incontinent because of drug use. But I'm wondering, 1930 02:06:11.279 --> 02:06:17.279 and I do know that the truth, if that's if 1931 02:06:17.319 --> 02:06:23.960 that's actually the reason Trump wears diapers, is a significant part. 1932 02:06:24.039 --> 02:06:27.760 Do you think do you remember? I think I mean, 1933 02:06:27.760 --> 02:06:37.640 can you describe what the injuries look like? Do you 1934 02:06:37.680 --> 02:06:39.920 remember enough to describe? 1935 02:06:40.079 --> 02:06:44.119 I just remember I remember the screen that he let 1936 02:06:44.159 --> 02:06:49.560 out when I kicked him, and I remember back in 1937 02:06:49.560 --> 02:06:54.399 a way, and it was I can't remember exactly what 1938 02:06:54.479 --> 02:06:57.399 it looked like, but it wasn't just that he was hurt. 1939 02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:04.079 He started while he was screaming, like his entire body 1940 02:07:04.279 --> 02:07:11.279 was was in almost like a horseshoe where he was 1941 02:07:11.479 --> 02:07:19.079 just vibrating or convulsing while he was just screaming. At 1942 02:07:19.079 --> 02:07:23.800 the time, I remember his reaction being so loud that 1943 02:07:23.920 --> 02:07:26.920 it scared me and I kind of backed away. But 1944 02:07:27.359 --> 02:07:31.199 what the injury itself looked like, I can I can't 1945 02:07:31.239 --> 02:07:35.039 really describe that because I in my mind, I thought 1946 02:07:35.039 --> 02:07:36.000 that he was going. 1947 02:07:35.800 --> 02:07:39.920 To die after so I just I like got as far. 1948 02:07:39.760 --> 02:07:43.159 Away as I could, like in the corner, and as 1949 02:07:43.239 --> 02:07:48.199 he's just the scream that he let out, I can 1950 02:07:48.279 --> 02:07:54.199 remember that, just like a manshee. And then those people 1951 02:07:54.239 --> 02:07:57.279 came in there, obviously knowing something was up from a 1952 02:07:57.399 --> 02:08:01.720 pointing a gun at me. Anyway, they they they didn't 1953 02:08:01.720 --> 02:08:04.079 beat me, they didn't do anything like that. They just 1954 02:08:04.359 --> 02:08:05.079 showed him. 1955 02:08:04.960 --> 02:08:07.520 Up, got him out of there, and then they tried 1956 02:08:07.560 --> 02:08:08.239 to figure out. 1957 02:08:08.079 --> 02:08:11.760 What would what had happened, And I know it. At 1958 02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:13.760 one point I was just there was like a couple 1959 02:08:13.760 --> 02:08:16.239 of guys on the gun on me, and there was 1960 02:08:16.279 --> 02:08:22.560 some discussion. My dad was brought in and they they 1961 02:08:22.720 --> 02:08:28.159 just let us go for that day. Nobody, nobody harmed 1962 02:08:28.239 --> 02:08:30.920 us that day because they didn't really know what how 1963 02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:32.479 they were going to handle it. They didn't know if 1964 02:08:32.520 --> 02:08:36.880 Trump was going to die. He was fucked up. I mean, 1965 02:08:37.399 --> 02:08:42.359 no doubt, h that's something that left the scar. There's 1966 02:08:42.600 --> 02:08:45.479 there is no doubt in my mind that that left 1967 02:08:45.520 --> 02:08:50.119 a permanent scar on him. No. And and as far 1968 02:08:50.199 --> 02:08:53.439 as if it's possible that that's the reason that he's 1969 02:08:53.479 --> 02:08:59.560 incognent today, it's very very much so. It wasn't in there. 1970 02:09:01.039 --> 02:09:03.960 It wasn't a minor injury by any stretch of imagination. 1971 02:09:04.239 --> 02:09:07.359 It was in my It was my best effort to 1972 02:09:07.439 --> 02:09:09.880 kill him in the most horrible way that I could 1973 02:09:09.960 --> 02:09:12.880 possibly do it. I just happened to fail. 1974 02:09:17.760 --> 02:09:23.319 Well, you were twelve, and you've just seen Patricia tortured 1975 02:09:23.359 --> 02:09:30.800 and raped and murdered. Trump premeditated the murder of Patricia 1976 02:09:31.560 --> 02:09:38.399 to torture you, and then Trump tortured you extreme circumstances. 1977 02:09:40.199 --> 02:09:51.800 You know, you you know, you experienced understandable rage that injustice, 1978 02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:58.920 the most depraved sort of injustice. 1979 02:09:58.079 --> 02:10:02.600 And as much as I am able to corroborate, I 1980 02:10:02.640 --> 02:10:06.239 wish somebody would just offer my dad a deal, because 1981 02:10:06.920 --> 02:10:12.840 he knows all of it. It would be worth him 1982 02:10:12.920 --> 02:10:15.159 not going to jail, as far as I'm concerned, just 1983 02:10:15.199 --> 02:10:17.319 to blow this whole thing open him because it's bad. 1984 02:10:17.359 --> 02:10:21.239 If my dad is any malice that I might have 1985 02:10:21.359 --> 02:10:26.800 towards him is superseded by the fact that the whole 1986 02:10:26.920 --> 02:10:33.479 of the organization is even worse. Yeah, but that's just 1987 02:10:33.640 --> 02:10:36.239 me talking to you. I mean, I understand you're not 1988 02:10:36.279 --> 02:10:39.600 in that position. I'm not in that position, but that's 1989 02:10:39.720 --> 02:10:44.920 just you know. I wonder how many other people are 1990 02:10:44.920 --> 02:10:47.159 out there that are just like my dad. My dad 1991 02:10:47.319 --> 02:10:49.800 was kind of like a I don't know, a recruiter. 1992 02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:56.279 Maybe you know he I think he would go out 1993 02:10:56.279 --> 02:11:03.600 and find runyways. But I can't. I can't say where 1994 02:11:03.640 --> 02:11:06.319 those people got all of the other people. I know that. 1995 02:11:07.479 --> 02:11:10.359 I don't know where Sarah came from. I know Samantha 1996 02:11:10.439 --> 02:11:13.720 came from an abusive household, and she ran away when 1997 02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:17.079 she was twelve or thirteen. I lived on the streets 1998 02:11:17.119 --> 02:11:19.760 for a while and then wound up in that brothel 1999 02:11:19.880 --> 02:11:22.159 and then wound up getting used in that whole ring. 2000 02:11:23.560 --> 02:11:28.079 And Patricia had been in some similar circumstance where I 2001 02:11:28.119 --> 02:11:30.880 think that she was adopted and used kind of like 2002 02:11:31.000 --> 02:11:33.720 I was, but then she wound up on the street too, 2003 02:11:34.159 --> 02:11:39.439 another runaway. But I don't know Sarah's background. I don't 2004 02:11:39.479 --> 02:11:40.039 remember it. 2005 02:11:45.279 --> 02:11:50.039 I think your dad was probably one of similar sort 2006 02:11:50.079 --> 02:11:51.640 of recruiters they might have used in. 2007 02:11:51.600 --> 02:11:57.319 Different locations or in terms of the core group of 2008 02:11:57.680 --> 02:12:00.560 like those specific torture parties that might have tried to 2009 02:12:00.640 --> 02:12:03.800 keep a quite tight rain on things. 2010 02:12:05.319 --> 02:12:12.600 Yeah, is there anything else you want to talk about 2011 02:12:12.680 --> 02:12:14.920 right now? I mean, I think I. 2012 02:12:14.800 --> 02:12:20.520 Think I have. I have shared the bulk of what 2013 02:12:20.640 --> 02:12:27.920 I remember vividly. You know, sometimes another detail or something 2014 02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:32.159 that will pop up into my head, uh m hm. 2015 02:12:33.119 --> 02:12:35.119 But you know, and I've. 2016 02:12:34.960 --> 02:12:37.800 Spent years kind of trying to dissect all of this, 2017 02:12:38.039 --> 02:12:42.319 and uh, you know, over the number of years, about 2018 02:12:42.319 --> 02:12:45.479 the last ten years, I've been just peeling back layer 2019 02:12:45.520 --> 02:12:48.319 after later of this and as far as what I 2020 02:12:48.439 --> 02:12:53.079 remember clearly, this is this is pretty much. Yet, you know, 2021 02:12:53.159 --> 02:12:55.840 like I say, there were other instances of assaults, but 2022 02:12:55.920 --> 02:12:58.239 I can't tell you who did what, when or where. 2023 02:13:00.319 --> 02:13:04.079 And I can't play it to a specific individual outside 2024 02:13:04.079 --> 02:13:06.800 of you know, my both of my parents assaulted me. 2025 02:13:06.880 --> 02:13:09.119 Some of the other family members assaulted me. I can 2026 02:13:09.199 --> 02:13:16.439 remember that. But as far as anybody else any importance, 2027 02:13:17.279 --> 02:13:21.039 those five names that I've given are the only ones. 2028 02:13:21.239 --> 02:13:24.760 The two that I that that that were there, and 2029 02:13:24.800 --> 02:13:30.560 then the the the three and Jim and Donald Trump. 2030 02:13:33.720 --> 02:13:37.439 But there there were other people at those parties, and 2031 02:13:37.479 --> 02:13:40.159 those people were important. I just can't point a finger 2032 02:13:40.199 --> 02:13:43.800 at them and say for sure that person. 2033 02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:47.840 Don't worry about that at all. Right now, there's is, 2034 02:13:48.039 --> 02:13:48.439 to be. 2035 02:13:48.359 --> 02:13:53.800 Honest with you, Seeing Clarence Thomas there really stood out. 2036 02:13:53.960 --> 02:13:57.680 But what cemmenced that into my brain was the celebration 2037 02:13:58.640 --> 02:14:01.840 that my dad had when he got confirmed onto the 2038 02:14:01.880 --> 02:14:07.079 Supreme Court him how excited he was to have a 2039 02:14:07.119 --> 02:14:12.359 person as high as the Supreme Court that was involved 2040 02:14:12.399 --> 02:14:14.680 in all of it as sort of a buffer. 2041 02:14:15.079 --> 02:14:19.359 Yeah, so you know, we could potentially have. 2042 02:14:19.680 --> 02:14:23.840 John Roberts or Justice Alito, one of those guys in there. Potentially, 2043 02:14:23.960 --> 02:14:29.439 I don't know, but I can remember specifically how excited 2044 02:14:29.520 --> 02:14:35.079 he was that, you know, this is a person in 2045 02:14:35.199 --> 02:14:39.960 about the highest position possible. And I remember him thinking 2046 02:14:40.439 --> 02:14:48.800 saying that that's a lifetime appointment. So do you remember 2047 02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:49.800 for what that's worth? 2048 02:14:50.279 --> 02:14:55.000 No, that's important, that's significant. Do you remember any female 2049 02:14:55.079 --> 02:14:58.000 attendees at those parties, adult females. 2050 02:14:59.039 --> 02:15:03.840 Yes, but it was not very common. Lynn went to 2051 02:15:04.359 --> 02:15:17.960 one at least, and they were rare. Most of the 2052 02:15:18.000 --> 02:15:22.319 women that were at these parties were escorts or children. 2053 02:15:24.239 --> 02:15:25.239 So there were some. 2054 02:15:25.279 --> 02:15:28.359 Adult escorts at some of the parties for sure, and 2055 02:15:28.439 --> 02:15:31.560 then there were possibly before it got down to the 2056 02:15:31.600 --> 02:15:35.119 smaller group of people at the end where they really 2057 02:15:35.159 --> 02:15:41.000 did the more brutal, more heinous stuff. That was always 2058 02:15:41.079 --> 02:15:45.720 just a bunch of them. I can't remember women being 2059 02:15:45.800 --> 02:15:51.079 at a smaller circle other than other people being trafficked. 2060 02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:54.000 I can't remember any women being. 2061 02:15:53.840 --> 02:15:58.079 There besides Trump. Could you identify any of the rest 2062 02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:00.279 of the men of those eight to ten men that 2063 02:16:00.319 --> 02:16:04.199 were always in that tour in that the core torture group, 2064 02:16:06.279 --> 02:16:08.239 if you saw the photos, he would be. 2065 02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:12.479 The only one that that I could clearly say that 2066 02:16:12.520 --> 02:16:19.039 this this person. The rest of them, uh, I didn't 2067 02:16:19.079 --> 02:16:23.239 think they were going to kill me. Yeah, So they 2068 02:16:23.319 --> 02:16:26.560 just kind of go into the memory bank of just 2069 02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:31.279 something else bad, and I well, the only ones that 2070 02:16:31.359 --> 02:16:34.840 I remember are the ones that that I thought were dangerous, 2071 02:16:34.879 --> 02:16:37.440 and then Clarence because he's black, and then Lindsay just 2072 02:16:37.479 --> 02:16:42.360 because of his mannerisms, and I remember more. I remember 2073 02:16:42.440 --> 02:16:46.520 seeing him and observing his mannerisms. What I remember even 2074 02:16:46.600 --> 02:16:51.399 more ish my dad and whoever he was with at 2075 02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:55.920 the time kind of joking about those mannerisms. I can 2076 02:16:56.000 --> 02:16:59.879 even remember somebody telling my dad to be careful because 2077 02:17:00.040 --> 02:17:01.760 there were a lot of people at that party that 2078 02:17:01.840 --> 02:17:04.520 were gay. So if you got caught like making fun 2079 02:17:04.559 --> 02:17:08.600 of a rich person that was gay or at least 2080 02:17:08.639 --> 02:17:12.559 had the mannerisms and demeanor of a gay person, that 2081 02:17:12.639 --> 02:17:17.200 it might cause my dad problems, you know. So it 2082 02:17:17.319 --> 02:17:19.239 was kind of yeah, we can kind of laugh and 2083 02:17:19.319 --> 02:17:21.280 joke about this a little bit here, but you better 2084 02:17:21.319 --> 02:17:23.639 be careful what you say around other people because a 2085 02:17:23.639 --> 02:17:26.120 lot of these people are gay or at least have 2086 02:17:27.000 --> 02:17:29.760 bisexual tendencies, and they may take offense to that. And 2087 02:17:29.799 --> 02:17:32.440 these are people that my dad was not in a 2088 02:17:32.479 --> 02:17:37.200 position to to offend they. 2089 02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:45.959 You know, Okay, Well, what I'm going to do. I'm 2090 02:17:45.959 --> 02:17:52.719 gonna get this recording here, this second recording and backups 2091 02:17:52.760 --> 02:17:58.399 and so on, and then I'm just gonna spend the 2092 02:17:58.440 --> 02:18:03.280 rest of Saturday quiet doing some peaceful things, which I 2093 02:18:03.399 --> 02:18:06.559 highly suggest you do as well. Just whatever you like 2094 02:18:06.639 --> 02:18:11.479 to do that you there, you go. 2095 02:18:13.120 --> 02:18:16.200 It's not too hot outside. It was pretty hot yesterday, 2096 02:18:16.200 --> 02:18:19.360 but that's that's not what I that's my meditation matter, 2097 02:18:19.440 --> 02:18:23.760 the gym, and. 2098 02:18:22.399 --> 02:18:27.440 Yeah, spend some time outdoors, okay, And then what I'll do, 2099 02:18:30.239 --> 02:18:33.840 like I said already, I'd like to I'd like to 2100 02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:36.520 just get the text messages we've. 2101 02:18:36.360 --> 02:18:39.239 Got on the recordings, and I'm just going to figure 2102 02:18:39.239 --> 02:18:45.120 out in terms of you know, you know, there's so 2103 02:18:45.159 --> 02:18:51.000 there's two recordings now and I'm just going to figure out, 2104 02:18:51.040 --> 02:18:54.319 like well, whether I might just upload to a specific 2105 02:18:54.799 --> 02:18:58.319 drive and then I'm gonna look at this some of 2106 02:18:58.319 --> 02:19:02.079 the in terms of the the logistics with their courtings, 2107 02:19:02.120 --> 02:19:06.079 like like I said, like I'd like to just post 2108 02:19:06.159 --> 02:19:14.120 them raw with a brief summary and you know, a 2109 02:19:14.200 --> 02:19:16.600 totally different context. But a long time ago, I was 2110 02:19:17.200 --> 02:19:20.280 speaking to some folks who are at NASA about climate 2111 02:19:20.319 --> 02:19:22.959 crisis related and one of the women that I know 2112 02:19:23.040 --> 02:19:25.840 at NASA was talking about all the data they were 2113 02:19:25.879 --> 02:19:28.559 seeing and there was so much politicization of the data 2114 02:19:29.680 --> 02:19:34.319 that Lynn was concerned that you know, it's going to 2115 02:19:34.600 --> 02:19:37.760 be huge negative impact. Lynn's perspective in terms of climate 2116 02:19:37.879 --> 02:19:41.159 crisis was, you know, in terms of survival of the 2117 02:19:41.239 --> 02:19:46.040 human species. And we'd had some discussion about posting all 2118 02:19:46.040 --> 02:19:48.719 of these data from all these different locations, the North 2119 02:19:48.799 --> 02:19:53.239 Koreans Noorad just sort ofbody could look at the data 2120 02:19:53.239 --> 02:19:55.200 and they'd be like, Holy Christ, what the heck is 2121 02:19:55.280 --> 02:19:58.920 going on? And then it's like a bit more simple 2122 02:19:59.000 --> 02:20:03.600 to try to get folks of different opinions belief systems 2123 02:20:05.280 --> 02:20:10.920 to behave more unified. So slightly obviously what we're discussing 2124 02:20:11.000 --> 02:20:16.719 is is quite different. But that's what's similar is, you know, 2125 02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:20.920 the truth is being suppressed and very. 2126 02:20:20.879 --> 02:20:27.840 Much it all comes back to greed, you know, and 2127 02:20:27.920 --> 02:20:35.000 these people have this this this defect in their their 2128 02:20:35.239 --> 02:20:38.559 soul or personality or whatever you want to say, and 2129 02:20:38.600 --> 02:20:43.360 they're denying the climate crisis for the sake of money, 2130 02:20:43.399 --> 02:20:46.959 and they're denying the pedophile ring because the rich people 2131 02:20:47.040 --> 02:20:52.000 that are involved in it want it to continue. Yeah, 2132 02:20:52.520 --> 02:20:55.799 it's just a level of corruption that that seems to permeate. 2133 02:20:57.360 --> 02:21:00.120 I don't know, in almost every direction. It's not everybody 2134 02:21:00.159 --> 02:21:04.520 who is corrupt or most certainly the average person I 2135 02:21:04.559 --> 02:21:05.440 would think would be. 2136 02:21:06.239 --> 02:21:09.280 Uh, very much against all of this, but. 2137 02:21:11.520 --> 02:21:15.680 Yeah, not enough people in key positions to prevent it 2138 02:21:15.719 --> 02:21:19.680 from happening. And that's yeah, And you know, to be 2139 02:21:19.760 --> 02:21:21.840 honest with these to some degree, it feels like the 2140 02:21:21.879 --> 02:21:26.760 Democrats are just are are just part of theater. You know. 2141 02:21:26.959 --> 02:21:33.440 Joe Biden had four years to to kind of do 2142 02:21:33.559 --> 02:21:37.360 some things, and it seemed like like as far as 2143 02:21:37.399 --> 02:21:39.719 policy went, you know, it seemed like some things were 2144 02:21:39.760 --> 02:21:40.639 going in the right direction. 2145 02:21:40.680 --> 02:21:43.600 But where were the where were where. 2146 02:21:43.200 --> 02:21:51.399 Was the the the uh the urgency with the guy 2147 02:21:51.479 --> 02:21:57.120 that tried to inside a coup. Well, they feel like 2148 02:21:57.319 --> 02:22:03.079 they're just they're just playing ah almost amatives, you know. 2149 02:22:03.399 --> 02:22:08.040 No, I understand. I think, yeah, I think Joe Biden, 2150 02:22:08.120 --> 02:22:11.200 Biden was trying to do the right thing. And there's 2151 02:22:11.280 --> 02:22:14.239 obviously a lot of folks Republicans that are involved in 2152 02:22:14.280 --> 02:22:18.600 the pedophile ring and have compliment against them, and perhaps 2153 02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:23.200 some Democrats, and I think I think it's one of 2154 02:22:23.200 --> 02:22:26.879 those situations where you know, Biden had more information, There's 2155 02:22:26.879 --> 02:22:30.479 a lot more Biden would have done, So there's obviously 2156 02:22:30.520 --> 02:22:33.879 being some collusion about the information that everyone's getting. And 2157 02:22:33.959 --> 02:22:36.719 I think what you were speaking what you're you know 2158 02:22:36.920 --> 02:22:39.840 what you're talking about in terms of the parties and 2159 02:22:39.840 --> 02:22:44.959 how the parties seem to be presented. You know, folks 2160 02:22:45.000 --> 02:22:49.000 that were engaged in some level of criminal behavior that 2161 02:22:49.159 --> 02:22:52.920 wasn't the extreme criminal behavior of those that were torturing 2162 02:22:54.200 --> 02:22:57.520 and murdering kids, and so they were all trying to 2163 02:22:57.559 --> 02:23:00.639 play it all off against them auscole. These different folks 2164 02:23:01.120 --> 02:23:05.280 had compromats, say on drug use or some sex acts 2165 02:23:05.360 --> 02:23:08.639 they didn't want publicized, but they didn't know about the torturing. 2166 02:23:10.200 --> 02:23:16.360 So a lot of collusion. But there are decent folks, 2167 02:23:17.040 --> 02:23:18.799 and there are decent folks that are trying to do 2168 02:23:18.840 --> 02:23:24.920 the right thing. And I'll get these audio files, I'll 2169 02:23:24.959 --> 02:23:27.799 get them looked at, I'll get them uploaded, I'll write 2170 02:23:27.799 --> 02:23:33.559 a little summary. I'm sort of simmering about, you know, 2171 02:23:36.239 --> 02:23:40.000 just some of the logistics in terms of the file size, 2172 02:23:40.280 --> 02:23:45.079 the right location, where I'm comfortable with the files being 2173 02:23:46.840 --> 02:23:49.360 And I'm like, I say, I've already looked in terms 2174 02:23:49.399 --> 02:23:52.360 of some contacts at the HOG. One of the things 2175 02:23:52.360 --> 02:23:54.479 with the HOG is the United States isn't part of 2176 02:23:54.479 --> 02:24:00.840 the international you know, the criminal court system anymore. But 2177 02:24:00.959 --> 02:24:03.600 I know how can still be presented because it is 2178 02:24:03.639 --> 02:24:09.200 international security issue considering Trump's wreaking this sort of havoc. Now, 2179 02:24:09.920 --> 02:24:13.920 Trump's attempting to wreak havoc on all sorts of folks 2180 02:24:13.920 --> 02:24:16.920 in all sorts of countries regarding tariffs and all sorts 2181 02:24:16.920 --> 02:24:20.079 of nonsense. And is it the exact demo you described 2182 02:24:20.079 --> 02:24:25.239 with the puppies and with Patricia So does seems. 2183 02:24:24.920 --> 02:24:32.360 To to enjoy watching the the the act of suffering 2184 02:24:32.479 --> 02:24:38.239 play out, Yeah, in almost any venue that he has 2185 02:24:38.280 --> 02:24:38.920 any part of. 2186 02:24:39.399 --> 02:24:44.559 Yeah, and now we know immigrations and detentions, disappearances in 2187 02:24:44.600 --> 02:24:46.520 the United States again it's similar. 2188 02:24:48.120 --> 02:24:59.319 Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I just if if if 2189 02:25:00.319 --> 02:25:03.520 one thing that's good for this country, it will be 2190 02:25:04.079 --> 02:25:10.639 by being such a future human being, he will maybe 2191 02:25:10.680 --> 02:25:15.840 expose much of the corruption around him. And that is 2192 02:25:16.440 --> 02:25:22.319 my only hope for him, other than that he's there's 2193 02:25:22.399 --> 02:25:28.479 no positive person purpose to mankind. But if his level 2194 02:25:28.520 --> 02:25:36.239 of mouth seasons somehow segues into the the exposing of 2195 02:25:37.319 --> 02:25:42.479 the misdeeds of some really bad people around him, that'll 2196 02:25:42.520 --> 02:25:43.639 be the only good thing. 2197 02:25:43.479 --> 02:25:44.719 He's ever done. 2198 02:25:46.719 --> 02:25:51.120 That's just my opinion. But I just I have watched 2199 02:25:51.120 --> 02:25:55.639 this presidency closer than any other because of my past, 2200 02:25:56.680 --> 02:26:02.319 and good God, everything he touched turns to ship And 2201 02:26:02.399 --> 02:26:04.920 it seems to be that he turns it to shit 2202 02:26:05.079 --> 02:26:11.639 in the most callous and and and and and horrible 2203 02:26:11.719 --> 02:26:14.719 way possible for as many people as he can make 2204 02:26:14.760 --> 02:26:15.280 it that way. 2205 02:26:15.879 --> 02:26:16.079 Yeah. 2206 02:26:16.879 --> 02:26:21.319 Uh, it's it's it's incredible to me that so many 2207 02:26:21.319 --> 02:26:24.760 people are on board with the suffering of others, and 2208 02:26:24.799 --> 02:26:27.920 it seems to be the the almost the selling point. 2209 02:26:28.520 --> 02:26:28.719 Yeah. 2210 02:26:28.840 --> 02:26:31.680 You know, I can remember discussing with somebody the other day. 2211 02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:34.440 I don't care if somebody's here legally or illegally. 2212 02:26:35.079 --> 02:26:36.959 At the end of the day, that's still a. 2213 02:26:36.879 --> 02:26:39.840 Human being that we're talking about. Now, if this person 2214 02:26:39.920 --> 02:26:44.600 is gone and and murdered people or or or done 2215 02:26:44.639 --> 02:26:47.239 something like that, well then they should answer for it. 2216 02:26:47.280 --> 02:26:52.440 But every person deserves due process, every person. And that's 2217 02:26:52.440 --> 02:26:54.799 the way the Constitution is written. That was one thing 2218 02:26:54.879 --> 02:26:57.559 that all nine Supreme Court justice has even agreed on, 2219 02:26:59.639 --> 02:27:01.680 is that everybody should get due process. 2220 02:27:02.000 --> 02:27:02.680 Yeah. 2221 02:27:02.719 --> 02:27:06.040 And so the fact that he is denying people that 2222 02:27:06.159 --> 02:27:09.920 and trying to convince the masses that certain people do 2223 02:27:09.959 --> 02:27:15.520 not deserve due process is just alarming to a degree 2224 02:27:15.559 --> 02:27:19.399 that it actually is shocking to me that it just 2225 02:27:19.920 --> 02:27:22.799 it isn't a line in the sand for every body. 2226 02:27:23.159 --> 02:27:28.440 I don't understand the reasoning behind some people thinking that 2227 02:27:28.440 --> 02:27:31.280 that because your skin's brown, you don't deserve due process, 2228 02:27:31.360 --> 02:27:34.559 or because you cross the border here, which is essentially 2229 02:27:34.639 --> 02:27:40.719 a civil matter, a speeding ticket type of violation. You 2230 02:27:40.760 --> 02:27:44.360 know that somehow now that person deserves to suffer to 2231 02:27:44.399 --> 02:27:45.520 death on. 2232 02:27:45.799 --> 02:27:51.280 Such a subject, something that I'm simmering with. In terms 2233 02:27:51.319 --> 02:27:54.639 of timing of publishing the files. You know, there's on 2234 02:27:54.639 --> 02:27:58.959 one hand, I want to publish sooner than later. But 2235 02:27:59.159 --> 02:28:01.920 one of my siblings is traveling to the United States 2236 02:28:01.920 --> 02:28:04.680 this week and I told her not to travel. I 2237 02:28:04.719 --> 02:28:08.879 said it was quite urgent not to travel, and she 2238 02:28:09.079 --> 02:28:13.559 just hasn't read a lot of information there. Yeah, I know. 2239 02:28:13.760 --> 02:28:16.319 And so what I'm thinking, what I'm looking at in 2240 02:28:16.399 --> 02:28:21.600 terms of just especially since we've you know, our discussion today, 2241 02:28:22.000 --> 02:28:27.680 I don't I need to confirm when my sister's traveling 2242 02:28:28.000 --> 02:28:31.280 and her husband when they're back in Canada, and I 2243 02:28:31.319 --> 02:28:33.600 would want to make sure they're back in Canada before 2244 02:28:34.040 --> 02:28:38.559 I post the audio file, just in case I don't. 2245 02:28:38.680 --> 02:28:40.959 I don't blame it, you know, because I just don't. 2246 02:28:42.239 --> 02:28:44.440 I mean, it's one of those things, you know. I 2247 02:28:44.520 --> 02:28:47.799 just I want to make sure you're in a safe location. 2248 02:28:48.879 --> 02:28:53.239 I want to I have a friend who's retired. He's American. 2249 02:28:53.520 --> 02:28:56.479 He's worked as a defense attorney, but he lives in 2250 02:28:56.520 --> 02:28:59.120 Canada now at least half the year, and he hates Trump. 2251 02:28:59.600 --> 02:29:01.760 And I got a call in to him. He was 2252 02:29:01.760 --> 02:29:04.280 a defense attorney the United States, and I want to 2253 02:29:04.360 --> 02:29:06.840 run through some things with him, see if he has 2254 02:29:06.879 --> 02:29:11.159 some suggestions, just in terms of preparation, in terms of 2255 02:29:14.120 --> 02:29:19.799 you know, so we're okay, so if there's a degage press, 2256 02:29:20.399 --> 02:29:23.440 maybe it will get maybe folks will ignore, maybe there'll 2257 02:29:23.479 --> 02:29:26.120 be a bunch of press contexts. I just want to 2258 02:29:26.120 --> 02:29:28.639 make sure there's a bit in terms of preparation there. So, 2259 02:29:29.319 --> 02:29:33.719 but it is really urgent, I know, sooner than later. 2260 02:29:34.520 --> 02:29:37.399 So let's just you know, go step by step. 2261 02:29:38.879 --> 02:29:43.920 Okay, Absolutely, I'll look forward to hearing back from you. Yeah. 2262 02:29:44.040 --> 02:29:46.760 And there is one other entity that. 2263 02:29:46.840 --> 02:29:48.639 Is right now going through some flight. 2264 02:29:48.559 --> 02:29:54.399 Logs and and I think they're going to schedule talking 2265 02:29:54.399 --> 02:29:56.959 to me tomorrow. I think it's the day that they had. 2266 02:29:58.200 --> 02:30:01.360 So they are looking for my name and my dad's 2267 02:30:01.440 --> 02:30:04.879 name in different itineraries to try to piece it together 2268 02:30:04.920 --> 02:30:05.959 from a different angle. 2269 02:30:06.360 --> 02:30:08.600 Yeah, and who are the folks you're speaking to there? 2270 02:30:10.120 --> 02:30:12.399 There? I have the name on there. I don't have 2271 02:30:12.440 --> 02:30:15.680 it on the top of my head. Hold on the 2272 02:30:15.680 --> 02:30:22.959 centem An email. Look at my email the Crustian and Daily. 2273 02:30:23.360 --> 02:30:24.319 I see the list. 2274 02:30:24.680 --> 02:30:28.920 Okay, that's right. So they're looking through there. Yeah, okay, 2275 02:30:29.280 --> 02:30:32.319 don't when you speak to them, maybe just tell them 2276 02:30:32.360 --> 02:30:36.840 that don't mention my name, but just say you're speaking 2277 02:30:36.879 --> 02:30:41.200 to someone that's helping them with that's helping you in 2278 02:30:41.280 --> 02:30:45.280 terms of court related, affidavit related and that that that 2279 02:30:45.520 --> 02:30:50.840 I'm planning on publishing some discussions with us imminently, and 2280 02:30:50.879 --> 02:30:54.079 if they would, you know, I just want to, you know, 2281 02:30:54.120 --> 02:30:56.159 I want to make sure that it doesn't get the 2282 02:30:56.239 --> 02:31:01.920 muddy the waters don't get muddied inadvertently. I I actually 2283 02:31:01.920 --> 02:31:04.239 follow them on social media and I I like what 2284 02:31:04.319 --> 02:31:06.760 they're you know, they're trying to get compilations and all 2285 02:31:06.799 --> 02:31:10.200 the ice agents and everything. So that's great. But I 2286 02:31:10.200 --> 02:31:15.559 would appreciate just from a and just a bit more 2287 02:31:15.559 --> 02:31:18.159 In terms of my background, I spent lots of time 2288 02:31:18.200 --> 02:31:21.559 advising folks on a whole range of subjects, and I, 2289 02:31:21.959 --> 02:31:27.760 you know, have a very specific approach in regards to 2290 02:31:27.879 --> 02:31:30.520 law enforcement. That's sort of Clark. I'm sort of Clark 2291 02:31:30.600 --> 02:31:35.760 Kent camouflaged. And so when I look at what I'm 2292 02:31:35.799 --> 02:31:38.280 looking at, it's really about what's truly the right thing 2293 02:31:38.360 --> 02:31:41.799 that's really going to truly help ensure there's justice, and 2294 02:31:41.840 --> 02:31:47.239 I mean like true justice. So if you would, if 2295 02:31:47.280 --> 02:31:51.159 anybody from any journalistic outlet tries to contact you for 2296 02:31:51.239 --> 02:31:54.079 interviews or anything, I would appreciate if you would just 2297 02:31:54.120 --> 02:31:57.000 decline until we can get this published, cause I think 2298 02:31:57.040 --> 02:31:58.959 that's going to really help in terms of what we 2299 02:31:59.040 --> 02:32:03.200 can of what's the most important to get out of 2300 02:32:03.200 --> 02:32:05.959 what we've covered raw, because journalists are going to try 2301 02:32:05.959 --> 02:32:09.799 and edit, and there's just we don't we have to 2302 02:32:09.799 --> 02:32:15.760 be careful about who's on side and who isn't. So right, So, 2303 02:32:16.120 --> 02:32:19.200 and I'd like to speak to some folks that you 2304 02:32:19.239 --> 02:32:23.719 know with the human rights organizations, maybe even try to 2305 02:32:23.719 --> 02:32:29.000 get something into the ICC before you know, again, sooner 2306 02:32:29.000 --> 02:32:33.479 than later. And so yeah, so talk to the folks 2307 02:32:33.479 --> 02:32:36.319 at the Krustian tomorrow, but please don't agree to any 2308 02:32:36.360 --> 02:32:39.680 sort of journalistic interviews with them or anyone else until 2309 02:32:39.719 --> 02:32:45.479 we get these audio files published. Okay, Okay, awesome and 2310 02:32:45.799 --> 02:32:49.000 contact me anytime anything comes up. Okay, I want you 2311 02:32:49.040 --> 02:32:54.479 to know that you know, I'm a fierce warrior myself. 2312 02:32:54.120 --> 02:32:59.799 So I believe I have died ahead and relate the 2313 02:33:00.280 --> 02:33:03.399 the bulk of what I truly remember clearly. But if 2314 02:33:03.799 --> 02:33:08.040 some detail should come up that I that I remember 2315 02:33:08.040 --> 02:33:09.879 after the fact that I think it's pertinent, I'll just 2316 02:33:09.920 --> 02:33:17.319 shooting a text or a message. Yeah, And I feel 2317 02:33:17.360 --> 02:33:20.600 like I've been as thorough as I can without you know, 2318 02:33:20.680 --> 02:33:24.200 had living. You know, I have my thoughts on the 2319 02:33:24.239 --> 02:33:27.000 matter as well, but I'm just trying to relate to 2320 02:33:27.000 --> 02:33:31.799 those things that that that I clearly remember, and that 2321 02:33:32.120 --> 02:33:36.479 unfortunately is just the the small amount that I have 2322 02:33:36.639 --> 02:33:40.639 told you. You know, there's much more to it. It's 2323 02:33:40.719 --> 02:33:44.920 just that those details are so muddy that all I 2324 02:33:44.959 --> 02:33:49.680 can say is there's just a substantial amount more abuse 2325 02:33:49.879 --> 02:33:53.280 that I can't pinpoint and be specific about. 2326 02:33:54.200 --> 02:34:00.559 So no, I understand, and then you know again, we'll 2327 02:34:00.639 --> 02:34:03.760 just I'd like to still like to look, we've got 2328 02:34:03.799 --> 02:34:07.120 these files. I probably in terms of the one file, 2329 02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:10.360 I'll probably shorten the length just of the five minutes 2330 02:34:10.360 --> 02:34:14.040 where we talk about, you know, carefulness in terms of 2331 02:34:14.079 --> 02:34:17.239 journalists and stuff and my sister traveling just for safety reason. 2332 02:34:17.280 --> 02:34:23.319 So I'll just cut the one file short. But then 2333 02:34:23.440 --> 02:34:25.879 for sure I'd like to look at, you know, another 2334 02:34:25.920 --> 02:34:28.000 interview where we talk about some of the details that 2335 02:34:28.000 --> 02:34:29.079 are fuzzy and everything. 2336 02:34:30.639 --> 02:34:30.840 You know. 2337 02:34:30.920 --> 02:34:36.719 Today is July nineteenth, twenty twenty five, and continuing with 2338 02:34:36.879 --> 02:34:43.319 interviews from tomorrow, I mean from tomorrow. Today is July nineteenth, 2339 02:34:43.360 --> 02:34:48.200 twenty twenty five. Oh, July twentieth, My goodness, gracious, since 2340 02:34:48.200 --> 02:34:52.120 it is so yeah, today is July twentieth, twenty twenty five, 2341 02:34:52.399 --> 02:34:56.959 and we're continuing with interviews from yesterday during July nineteenth, 2342 02:34:57.040 --> 02:35:04.840 twenty twenty five, and I wanted to just recap what 2343 02:35:04.920 --> 02:35:08.399 we had spoken about about the girls. So there was 2344 02:35:09.360 --> 02:35:13.159 ten to twelve films, one snuff film we spoke about 2345 02:35:13.239 --> 02:35:18.479 yesterday converse, but yesterday there's one more circumstance similar where 2346 02:35:18.920 --> 02:35:22.079 you were there when the girls girls were killed after 2347 02:35:22.120 --> 02:35:25.559 the filming. There were at least two girls that were killed. 2348 02:35:26.840 --> 02:35:29.120 Was the same moo. They were shot in the head. 2349 02:35:30.760 --> 02:35:34.319 I didn't witness that. The aid man, I didn't know 2350 02:35:34.360 --> 02:35:41.000 that it was coming. We completed filming. Then the girls 2351 02:35:41.200 --> 02:35:46.360 they said, hey, you know y'all come with us, you know, 2352 02:35:46.440 --> 02:35:49.360 you helped pack up the equipment or clean up or 2353 02:35:49.399 --> 02:35:54.760 do something, you know, in reference to me. And there 2354 02:35:55.639 --> 02:35:59.680 there was another person in there with me besides the girls, 2355 02:36:00.799 --> 02:36:04.440 and I could hear a gunshot, but I didn't. I 2356 02:36:04.680 --> 02:36:09.639 wasn't witnessed to it. It was outside. And I can 2357 02:36:09.680 --> 02:36:12.639 remember the other person saying, just focus on what we've 2358 02:36:12.680 --> 02:36:15.639 got to do. That's that's not us or not you 2359 02:36:16.200 --> 02:36:20.920 or whatever like that. So you know, I can remember 2360 02:36:21.559 --> 02:36:23.719 wondering if my if it was going to be my 2361 02:36:23.799 --> 02:36:28.000 turn next or whatever. But you know, as far as 2362 02:36:30.959 --> 02:36:34.799 you know, witnessing it or anything, or knowing what happened 2363 02:36:34.840 --> 02:36:40.520 after or how they you know, disposed of them, I don't. 2364 02:36:40.639 --> 02:36:42.120 I don't know any of that. 2365 02:36:42.959 --> 02:36:47.520 And you said you thought they were silencing the girls, 2366 02:36:47.520 --> 02:36:49.719 and the girls were under thirteen. 2367 02:36:49.840 --> 02:36:55.559 Well, the in the Brothels, Samantha had talked about that 2368 02:36:55.639 --> 02:36:57.879 they only used the girls for a certain amount of. 2369 02:36:57.799 --> 02:37:01.040 Time because after a period of time. 2370 02:37:00.840 --> 02:37:03.840 Where they kind of became cognizant that they weren't going 2371 02:37:03.959 --> 02:37:09.360 to really ever rise above that because the way that 2372 02:37:09.440 --> 02:37:12.280 they would sell it to the girls is, hey, you know, 2373 02:37:12.319 --> 02:37:14.399 we're going to clean you up and make you beautiful, 2374 02:37:14.600 --> 02:37:17.239 and you'll be around these rich people, and you know 2375 02:37:17.280 --> 02:37:20.719 they like young women. So if you can be what 2376 02:37:20.799 --> 02:37:25.479 they want, then perhaps, you know, you'll go off and 2377 02:37:25.520 --> 02:37:27.440 live in a mansion with one of these rich people. 2378 02:37:28.159 --> 02:37:33.159 But that facade or that lie or whatever only survives 2379 02:37:33.200 --> 02:37:36.840 for so long because they're horribly abused and things like that, 2380 02:37:36.920 --> 02:37:38.600 and after a period of time, they just kind of 2381 02:37:38.639 --> 02:37:44.440 become aware that this is their station in life. They're 2382 02:37:44.479 --> 02:37:47.280 never going to be I guess the arm candy of 2383 02:37:47.319 --> 02:37:49.879 one of those rich people flying on their jets, you know. 2384 02:37:50.760 --> 02:37:55.159 And the way that Samantha described it is once they 2385 02:37:55.200 --> 02:37:59.200 get to that level of consciousness, they have they have 2386 02:37:59.319 --> 02:38:02.520 passed their expiration day. So they would only use the 2387 02:38:02.559 --> 02:38:05.159 girls for a certain amount of time, and you know, 2388 02:38:05.200 --> 02:38:09.000 they were either recruiting or finding. I don't know how 2389 02:38:09.000 --> 02:38:12.920 they got the goods, you know, but I can remember 2390 02:38:12.959 --> 02:38:15.639 even in the brief period of time that I was there, 2391 02:38:15.760 --> 02:38:19.200 because I wasn't there for more longer than just a 2392 02:38:19.239 --> 02:38:23.079 few months, you know, maybe even maybe even just like 2393 02:38:23.159 --> 02:38:26.920 a couple of months. But even in that small period 2394 02:38:26.959 --> 02:38:34.239 of time, I saw one, two, three, four, five people. 2395 02:38:34.000 --> 02:38:37.319 Killed five killed during two months. 2396 02:38:37.799 --> 02:38:43.079 Ye yes, I saw Sarah guy. She was there when 2397 02:38:43.799 --> 02:38:48.639 I was there when she died. Samantha killed another one 2398 02:38:48.680 --> 02:38:55.479 of the girls that was that was that. I think 2399 02:38:55.520 --> 02:38:58.000 she just killed her because she kept causing problems, to 2400 02:38:58.000 --> 02:39:03.120 be honest with you. And then the two which I 2401 02:39:03.120 --> 02:39:04.920 believe it was two. It might have been one. It 2402 02:39:04.959 --> 02:39:08.159 could have been three. I wouldn't swear you know on 2403 02:39:08.280 --> 02:39:10.680 the number, but I believe it was two. And that 2404 02:39:10.719 --> 02:39:13.719 one shoot. And then the one girl that was killed 2405 02:39:14.840 --> 02:39:17.840 during the filming, it was she was killed on phil 2406 02:39:18.120 --> 02:39:19.079 while the while the. 2407 02:39:19.040 --> 02:39:25.360 Cameras were yeah, and then Sarah was committing suicide. You 2408 02:39:25.479 --> 02:39:31.799 said yes, yes, Patricia to terrorized you. Yes, So those 2409 02:39:31.799 --> 02:39:34.159 were additional killings on top of the five during the 2410 02:39:34.200 --> 02:39:34.680 two months. 2411 02:39:34.719 --> 02:39:39.559 Is that well, let me let me count again. So yes, Sarah, 2412 02:39:39.680 --> 02:39:44.079 the two, oh, there's another one that I saw killed two. 2413 02:39:44.760 --> 02:39:47.840 So Sarah, which was sort of more of a suicide. 2414 02:39:47.840 --> 02:39:52.159 Would but then Samantha pulled the trigger right. 2415 02:39:54.000 --> 02:40:01.920 Yes, okay. And then one other time where one of 2416 02:40:01.959 --> 02:40:07.479 the girls was executed in the brothel and that was 2417 02:40:07.479 --> 02:40:08.840 in front of all of us. 2418 02:40:12.200 --> 02:40:14.879 So one of the girls was executed in the brothel, 2419 02:40:15.120 --> 02:40:17.639 and did you see that Samantha did the execution, Did 2420 02:40:17.639 --> 02:40:19.680 they force Samantha to do the execution or not. 2421 02:40:21.360 --> 02:40:25.000 Two separate instances. The one girl that was executed, I 2422 02:40:25.040 --> 02:40:27.639 did not know her. I don't know if i'd ever 2423 02:40:27.680 --> 02:40:32.799 even hardly spoken to her, but she was killed as 2424 02:40:33.399 --> 02:40:40.120 some sort of retaliation. Somebody was beating Samantha and I 2425 02:40:40.159 --> 02:40:42.879 got involved in it. And again it was one of 2426 02:40:42.920 --> 02:40:46.159 those people that you couldn't touch. So they came and 2427 02:40:46.920 --> 02:40:50.000 they didn't kill me. They didn't kill Samantha. They killed 2428 02:40:50.000 --> 02:40:52.559 this other girl. And I don't even think she had 2429 02:40:52.559 --> 02:40:53.399 anything to do with it. 2430 02:40:53.520 --> 02:40:55.360 And was that the one in the brothel. 2431 02:40:56.639 --> 02:40:58.680 That was one of the ones in the brothel? Yes, 2432 02:40:58.760 --> 02:41:03.680 And that Samantha killed this other girl just because she 2433 02:41:03.680 --> 02:41:05.559 she had beat up one of the other girls, and 2434 02:41:05.600 --> 02:41:08.799 she kept feeling stuff and she kept like trying to 2435 02:41:08.840 --> 02:41:13.799 cause problems with the people running it, and she just 2436 02:41:14.000 --> 02:41:23.520 she murdered her. Okay, So that was even separate of 2437 02:41:23.559 --> 02:41:26.760 all of that. So and you know, I know, I'm 2438 02:41:27.239 --> 02:41:28.719 I'm thinking of more and more. 2439 02:41:29.399 --> 02:41:31.440 Yeah, I suspect you'll think of a lot of them. 2440 02:41:32.479 --> 02:41:35.000 All of these things are kind of compartmentalized. A little bit. 2441 02:41:35.079 --> 02:41:41.319 Something happen, you know, Yeah, it's okay, Well, what I understand. 2442 02:41:41.360 --> 02:41:42.639 You know, there's there's there's a lot. 2443 02:41:42.680 --> 02:41:43.360 You've been through a. 2444 02:41:43.360 --> 02:41:47.520 Lot, and you're trying to diligently remember and you know, 2445 02:41:49.520 --> 02:41:53.559 you know, remembering you'll probably remember a lot more. And 2446 02:41:53.719 --> 02:41:57.159 you know how I'm making sure is comfortable, you know, 2447 02:41:57.280 --> 02:42:03.760 so as you know. So, so there was during the 2448 02:42:03.799 --> 02:42:06.719 two months, there was at least five girls killed, and 2449 02:42:06.760 --> 02:42:10.360 the killings were all related to the Trump Epstein pedophile ring. 2450 02:42:10.680 --> 02:42:14.399 There was execution snuff film silencing the girls. 2451 02:42:17.319 --> 02:42:21.360 Now, at that brothel, I never saw anybody except this 2452 02:42:21.520 --> 02:42:27.159 big belly hillbilly that ran it. Yeah, and then one 2453 02:42:27.200 --> 02:42:31.559 other I don't know if you call it some some 2454 02:42:32.440 --> 02:42:35.479 mobster that was the one that came in and shot 2455 02:42:35.600 --> 02:42:39.600 the kind of terrorized all of us, pointed together at 2456 02:42:39.639 --> 02:42:41.399 all of us, and then just shot kind of one 2457 02:42:41.399 --> 02:42:42.399 girl at random. 2458 02:42:43.239 --> 02:42:45.600 Okay, So a mobster. 2459 02:42:46.879 --> 02:42:49.879 Yeah, and I don't I have no idea who he was. 2460 02:42:49.920 --> 02:42:55.040 Just some older guy, you know, gray hair, pinky ring 2461 02:42:55.120 --> 02:42:56.000 type person, you know. 2462 02:42:56.239 --> 02:43:01.079 Yeah, And when the two girls were killed after the filming, 2463 02:43:01.399 --> 02:43:04.360 tell me again, what what the other individual said to you? 2464 02:43:04.440 --> 02:43:07.559 That you're good, they won't kill you. Boys are hard 2465 02:43:07.600 --> 02:43:08.040 to find me. 2466 02:43:09.760 --> 02:43:13.239 Like I was working, maybe packing up stuff or cleaning 2467 02:43:13.360 --> 02:43:15.840 or I don't remember exactly what I was doing, but 2468 02:43:15.959 --> 02:43:20.399 I remember that. I want to say. We were breaking 2469 02:43:20.440 --> 02:43:22.840 down the stuff that they had used to film it, 2470 02:43:23.600 --> 02:43:25.920 and when I heard the gun shot, you know, I 2471 02:43:26.079 --> 02:43:31.319 stopped working. And the guy was basically to the effect of, 2472 02:43:31.760 --> 02:43:34.959 this doesn't concern you. Just focus on what you're doing, 2473 02:43:36.360 --> 02:43:39.520 you know. So I just I kept doing whatever it 2474 02:43:39.559 --> 02:43:40.280 was I was feeling. 2475 02:43:41.719 --> 02:43:44.200 And he said boys are hard, boys are hard to find. 2476 02:43:44.600 --> 02:43:49.879 You're you're good boys. He said, you're good. Girls are 2477 02:43:49.879 --> 02:43:52.760 a diamond dozen boys are hard to find. Something like that. 2478 02:43:52.760 --> 02:43:55.520 That may not have been the exact words, but it 2479 02:43:55.680 --> 02:43:58.719 was something to that effect. Yeah. 2480 02:43:58.840 --> 02:44:02.559 So it sounds like in the case with the trump 2481 02:44:02.600 --> 02:44:10.239 Epstein ring, in terms of whoever they thought was expendable disposable. 2482 02:44:11.120 --> 02:44:12.399 The girls. 2483 02:44:13.840 --> 02:44:15.959 That were under the ages of thirteen years old that 2484 02:44:16.319 --> 02:44:18.920 were considered, would you say it was more about were 2485 02:44:18.920 --> 02:44:22.479 they financially poor, did they and they would just dispose 2486 02:44:22.559 --> 02:44:25.239 of them as they got older more aware? 2487 02:44:25.520 --> 02:44:30.200 Yeah, okay, yes, once kind of the gig was up, 2488 02:44:30.280 --> 02:44:34.319 where they they they knew that the lives that they 2489 02:44:34.319 --> 02:44:37.360 were being told weren't ever going to materialize, that that 2490 02:44:37.600 --> 02:44:40.079 they they that no matter what they did for these 2491 02:44:40.200 --> 02:44:45.280 rich people, they were just being used. Yeah, they didn't 2492 02:44:45.280 --> 02:44:48.520 want them around to kind of spoil the ones that 2493 02:44:48.639 --> 02:44:53.559 still believed in the narrative, because the the structure of 2494 02:44:53.600 --> 02:44:57.120 that was try to try to get the girls to 2495 02:44:57.239 --> 02:45:03.840 be enthusiastic, willing participants, you know, for these rich people, 2496 02:45:04.200 --> 02:45:08.079 and once they had reached a certain level of trauma, 2497 02:45:09.600 --> 02:45:12.399 then there were they Then they just kind of had 2498 02:45:12.440 --> 02:45:14.479 no use for them. 2499 02:45:14.680 --> 02:45:21.559 Okay. So from your experience, all the girls that you 2500 02:45:21.639 --> 02:45:25.520 were exposed to during those particular two months, they all died. 2501 02:45:27.200 --> 02:45:30.879 Yes, all of the ones that I made any kind 2502 02:45:30.879 --> 02:45:35.479 of a closer connection with, they all died. Now I 2503 02:45:35.559 --> 02:45:39.879 may have had there's not even any made to it. 2504 02:45:39.959 --> 02:45:43.159 I had connections with more people that I don't have 2505 02:45:44.600 --> 02:45:45.799 didn't make as much of a. 2506 02:45:45.719 --> 02:45:46.799 Concrete memory with. 2507 02:45:47.399 --> 02:45:52.760 And I couldn't tell you what what transpired after, you know, 2508 02:45:52.799 --> 02:45:55.000 the two months that I was there, or if they 2509 02:45:55.479 --> 02:45:58.879 some of them made it or you know, ran away 2510 02:45:59.000 --> 02:46:01.600 or escaped, or I have no idea what happened to 2511 02:46:01.600 --> 02:46:02.040 the rest. 2512 02:46:02.440 --> 02:46:05.799 And was that that were always specifically except that was 2513 02:46:05.840 --> 02:46:11.120 specifically when you were at the brothel during those two months, yes, okay, 2514 02:46:12.159 --> 02:46:14.680 And when you first met Trump you were about eight 2515 02:46:14.760 --> 02:46:19.319 or nine, and then your last the last incident with Trump, 2516 02:46:19.319 --> 02:46:22.399 you said was when you were twelve or thirteen. That's correct. 2517 02:46:23.920 --> 02:46:26.879 As far as I know. I wouldn't swear it could 2518 02:46:26.879 --> 02:46:30.799 have been a more compressed time frame, say nine to 2519 02:46:30.959 --> 02:46:35.239 just eleven. But within those years are all that I remember, 2520 02:46:35.319 --> 02:46:40.760 A round eight to probably twelve or thirteen. Yeah, but 2521 02:46:40.920 --> 02:46:43.559 there's a chance that it ended even before that the 2522 02:46:44.000 --> 02:46:49.280 thirteen year mark, but it would definitely be within that 2523 02:46:49.360 --> 02:46:53.319 time period because beyond that, my life kind of changed 2524 02:46:53.360 --> 02:46:58.079 a little bit, and there wasn't after that incident with 2525 02:46:58.360 --> 02:47:04.159 Andy Biggs, I do not have any recollection of either 2526 02:47:04.360 --> 02:47:08.760 being abused by anyone outside of the family or any 2527 02:47:08.799 --> 02:47:11.360 of those rich people. I had no more connection with 2528 02:47:11.959 --> 02:47:14.639 any of that moving forward that I can recall. 2529 02:47:15.600 --> 02:47:21.000 Okay, and did where did you go then? After that 2530 02:47:21.079 --> 02:47:23.360 period of time? Were you still with Marie Lynn and 2531 02:47:23.600 --> 02:47:24.680 William Kyle. 2532 02:47:26.680 --> 02:47:36.760 Or Okay? So after Tennessee, after the films, Yeah, when 2533 02:47:36.760 --> 02:47:42.079 we moved to Alabama, there was a a and I 2534 02:47:42.079 --> 02:47:44.200 couldn't even tell you for how long, but there was 2535 02:47:44.440 --> 02:47:47.280 a period of time where I was taken away from them, 2536 02:47:49.159 --> 02:47:53.479 placed into some sort of foster care, but I am eventually, 2537 02:47:53.840 --> 02:48:01.239 once the investigations into their activity theatered out, I I 2538 02:48:01.239 --> 02:48:03.680 eventually made my way back into their house. 2539 02:48:07.520 --> 02:48:14.559 Okay, okay, is there anything else you think would be 2540 02:48:14.559 --> 02:48:19.879 helpful for us to converse about during during this recording? 2541 02:48:21.639 --> 02:48:24.239 Not that I'm not that I'm remembering at this time, 2542 02:48:24.440 --> 02:48:31.040 you know, even even some of this in my own mind, 2543 02:48:31.120 --> 02:48:35.040 I can't tell you which thing happened before the other thing. 2544 02:48:35.040 --> 02:48:38.159 I haven't, you know, like some of it's chronological in 2545 02:48:38.200 --> 02:48:43.520 my memory, but I can't tell you. I am pretty 2546 02:48:43.520 --> 02:48:45.559 sure we still lived in Tennessee when they sent me 2547 02:48:45.719 --> 02:48:49.840 to the brothel, and that's where I'm at, Samantha. That's 2548 02:48:49.879 --> 02:48:53.000 where I met Patricia and Sarah. Sarah died at the bottles. 2549 02:48:53.159 --> 02:48:57.120 I never saw obviously her again, but then Patricia I saw. 2550 02:48:58.040 --> 02:49:01.760 It would have been months, a year later or whatever 2551 02:49:02.840 --> 02:49:06.520 at that party. Samantha was already dead at that point. 2552 02:49:06.840 --> 02:49:08.280 So and then Patricia died. 2553 02:49:08.120 --> 02:49:10.799 At that party, so Samantha that was it. 2554 02:49:10.959 --> 02:49:14.520 I can just dead, go ahead. 2555 02:49:14.360 --> 02:49:17.799 So Samantha was already dead, Sipsa died and then Samantha 2556 02:49:17.840 --> 02:49:19.719 and then Patricia. 2557 02:49:20.040 --> 02:49:24.600 Yes, okay, and I can. I can't because I could 2558 02:49:24.639 --> 02:49:29.799 just remember when Patricia died, I can't kind of changed 2559 02:49:29.799 --> 02:49:36.840 something inside of me, and in that, in my mind, 2560 02:49:36.920 --> 02:49:39.399 I had just kind of lost my only friend or 2561 02:49:39.479 --> 02:49:46.920 my last remaining friend, and in my reasoning, there's no 2562 02:49:46.959 --> 02:49:50.920 one left but me, meaning that the next person they're 2563 02:49:50.959 --> 02:49:51.680 going to kill is me. 2564 02:49:52.760 --> 02:50:00.479 Yeah, that's like in terms of extremity of malevolent psychopathics, sadistic. 2565 02:50:00.719 --> 02:50:06.760 So they shot Patrician the Torso first. And do you 2566 02:50:06.760 --> 02:50:11.120 remember the description of the I don't even gonna call 2567 02:50:11.159 --> 02:50:13.440 him a gentleman, the gentleman who was like shuffling on 2568 02:50:13.479 --> 02:50:16.760 his feet and was uncomfortable about how much Prussia was 2569 02:50:16.760 --> 02:50:17.879 suffering getting tortured. 2570 02:50:19.360 --> 02:50:22.799 I wish I could give you a better description. But 2571 02:50:23.000 --> 02:50:29.520 just five or six pot bellied hillbillies, you know, kind 2572 02:50:29.520 --> 02:50:32.920 of you if you looked at older pictures of my dad, 2573 02:50:33.440 --> 02:50:38.040 they just kind of looked like him. Just larger, thick people, 2574 02:50:38.120 --> 02:50:42.760 not necessarily fat, not necessarily what you would think of 2575 02:50:42.840 --> 02:50:47.040 as like a yeah, a country boy, a big country boy, 2576 02:50:47.079 --> 02:50:49.200 you know, beards and a little. 2577 02:50:48.920 --> 02:50:54.639 Bit of hair, you know, yeah, just thick five foot 2578 02:50:54.719 --> 02:50:59.239 ten to six foot one, you know, bigger two thirty five. 2579 02:51:00.559 --> 02:51:05.399 Pound guys. So just larger country boys. And I couldn't 2580 02:51:05.399 --> 02:51:08.200 even tell you like they're they're facial features or anything 2581 02:51:08.280 --> 02:51:11.639 like that. I just I can remember at least some 2582 02:51:12.159 --> 02:51:15.120 had facial hair, beards, mustaches, that sort of thing, and 2583 02:51:15.200 --> 02:51:18.920 just larger people dressed in what you would consider just 2584 02:51:19.040 --> 02:51:24.520 kind of country music type of attire. Yeah, blues and 2585 02:51:24.760 --> 02:51:30.120 blue jeans and you know, button up cowboy type shirts. Yeah. 2586 02:51:30.159 --> 02:51:32.520 So they that's what all of them look like. 2587 02:51:32.760 --> 02:51:35.600 Okay, so when they they had guns, you said you 2588 02:51:35.639 --> 02:51:37.840 remembered one, and then two or three, maybe four of 2589 02:51:37.879 --> 02:51:41.000 them had guns. One of them shot Patricia in the chest. 2590 02:51:41.079 --> 02:51:45.319 They tortured and raped Patricia. The one hill billy was 2591 02:51:45.399 --> 02:51:48.200 uncomfortable and said just ended to kill Patricia. But they 2592 02:51:48.639 --> 02:51:52.120 how long did they continue torturing Patricia before they shot Patricia? 2593 02:51:52.120 --> 02:51:55.680 And they had if I had to guess, I'd say 2594 02:51:55.680 --> 02:52:00.799 probably in the realm of thirty minutes or so te minutes. 2595 02:52:01.639 --> 02:52:06.000 I can remember that that one or more of them 2596 02:52:06.079 --> 02:52:11.680 raped her. Not everybody wanted to participate in that. And 2597 02:52:11.719 --> 02:52:15.360 then the one guy just seemed of those people, one 2598 02:52:15.639 --> 02:52:20.520 only one person really seemed exceptionally uncomfortable about the whole 2599 02:52:20.559 --> 02:52:21.719 thing and didn't want to be there. 2600 02:52:22.399 --> 02:52:33.079 Yeah, And Patricia said, Patricia wanted to die. That was 2601 02:52:33.120 --> 02:52:36.559 what you remember Pricia saying to you, to kill Patricia. 2602 02:52:37.559 --> 02:52:38.399 That Patricia, they. 2603 02:52:40.920 --> 02:52:45.000 Had beaten her like I don't know if all of 2604 02:52:45.000 --> 02:52:47.600 them had beaten her, but one of them beat her 2605 02:52:48.079 --> 02:52:50.399 hit her really hard in like the ribs and things 2606 02:52:50.440 --> 02:52:54.319 like that. She was out in trouble, breathing, and I, 2607 02:52:54.600 --> 02:52:58.200 in my estimation, I think she already knew that they 2608 02:52:58.200 --> 02:53:00.879 were going to kill her, and she just said, please 2609 02:53:01.000 --> 02:53:06.159 just kill me, something to that effect. And I can 2610 02:53:06.200 --> 02:53:09.040 remember looking at her and saying, baby, you're gonna come 2611 02:53:09.079 --> 02:53:11.479 be with me right now. And she looked at me 2612 02:53:11.559 --> 02:53:16.000 and she smiled, and I said, I love you. And 2613 02:53:16.840 --> 02:53:21.520 one of them shot her, and she was having trouble. 2614 02:53:21.559 --> 02:53:23.520 I said, just look at me, don't look at them. 2615 02:53:24.680 --> 02:53:28.079 And the other guy he was he was breaking down. 2616 02:53:28.280 --> 02:53:30.760 That guy that I'm telling you was shuffling on his seat. 2617 02:53:31.479 --> 02:53:34.520 He said, I mean he got a little upset or 2618 02:53:34.520 --> 02:53:37.719 agitated or something and said, just fucking ended or just 2619 02:53:38.440 --> 02:53:41.520 shoot her in the fucking head. Whatever he said, because 2620 02:53:41.639 --> 02:53:44.920 he was he was not enjoying it like the guy 2621 02:53:45.000 --> 02:53:47.959 that was doing the I guess you'd just call it torture. 2622 02:53:49.879 --> 02:53:53.799 So after that he shot her in the head, and 2623 02:53:53.840 --> 02:53:57.200 then I can remember them arguing, well, why did you 2624 02:53:57.239 --> 02:54:00.399 shoot her there, because now we have to find another mattress, 2625 02:54:00.440 --> 02:54:03.280 you know, you fucking idiot or whatever you called it. 2626 02:54:04.360 --> 02:54:08.079 And you know, the way that those people talking is like, 2627 02:54:08.200 --> 02:54:10.120 you know, shut your mouth, or would give her the 2628 02:54:10.120 --> 02:54:13.120 two bodies or something. You know. Uh, that may not 2629 02:54:13.159 --> 02:54:16.600 have been the exact conversation, but that was the mood 2630 02:54:16.719 --> 02:54:19.639 of it and kind of the information that was getting 2631 02:54:20.399 --> 02:54:26.479 a passed back, you know. And then they wrapped her 2632 02:54:26.559 --> 02:54:30.040 up in a sheet took her out, and then I 2633 02:54:30.120 --> 02:54:31.920 think there was some discussion as to whether or not 2634 02:54:32.000 --> 02:54:34.360 they could just put a sheet over the mattress, but 2635 02:54:34.360 --> 02:54:36.120 there was obviously there was blood on it, and they 2636 02:54:36.159 --> 02:54:39.000 said no, So they rolled up the mattress or or 2637 02:54:39.319 --> 02:54:42.920 did whatever they they did with the mattress and went 2638 02:54:42.959 --> 02:54:50.120 and found another one. And that's how that went. It 2639 02:54:50.159 --> 02:54:52.120 was just it wasn't a big bed. It wasn't like 2640 02:54:52.120 --> 02:54:54.360 a queen's size bed the way I remembered. It was 2641 02:54:54.399 --> 02:54:55.360 just like a twin bed. 2642 02:54:57.360 --> 02:55:03.120 And then Trump came in the room. Yes, now, in 2643 02:55:03.239 --> 02:55:06.559 terms of you said you didn't remember if there was 2644 02:55:06.600 --> 02:55:10.799 any cameras, there was was Patricia getting killed film? Do 2645 02:55:10.840 --> 02:55:12.600 you remember seeing any cameras at all? 2646 02:55:13.959 --> 02:55:17.159 I do not remember seeing any cameras at that time. 2647 02:55:17.879 --> 02:55:20.000 Do you if there was a way to record it? 2648 02:55:23.719 --> 02:55:26.680 There wasn't any. We went into that room alone, not 2649 02:55:26.840 --> 02:55:32.520 knowing that you know, it was going to get interrupted. Yeah, right, 2650 02:55:33.520 --> 02:55:37.200 and so there were no cameras or anything that we 2651 02:55:37.200 --> 02:55:39.399 were Unless there was some sort of a mirror to 2652 02:55:39.559 --> 02:55:43.000 aavior and something set up behind it, that's possible that 2653 02:55:43.120 --> 02:55:47.559 it was. It was being filmed without our knowledge, but no, 2654 02:55:48.000 --> 02:55:49.879 as far as do I know that, if there was 2655 02:55:49.920 --> 02:55:54.760 any any way to record that, I don't think so. 2656 02:55:55.840 --> 02:55:57.799 Do you remember whether there was any. 2657 02:55:59.799 --> 02:56:04.719 I'm I'm sorry. Lot From a from a logic perspective, 2658 02:56:04.799 --> 02:56:07.079 I don't think it would have been recorded because those 2659 02:56:07.319 --> 02:56:11.680 those six people were in that room too, So five six, four, 2660 02:56:11.920 --> 02:56:14.079 however many was I think it was five or six 2661 02:56:15.920 --> 02:56:19.079 They would have been in the It wasn't a particularly 2662 02:56:19.120 --> 02:56:21.200 big room. It wasn't like a main room. It was 2663 02:56:21.280 --> 02:56:24.719 like a guest room with a you know, an individual bed. 2664 02:56:26.680 --> 02:56:30.719 So in my mind, I would doubt that that was 2665 02:56:30.760 --> 02:56:33.440 filmed because it would have had those people that murdered 2666 02:56:33.479 --> 02:56:38.159 her on in the in the frame two. Whereas when 2667 02:56:38.520 --> 02:56:42.479 they shot that girl, uh, in that separate instance in 2668 02:56:42.520 --> 02:56:45.520 the in the film shoot, you know, the cameras were 2669 02:56:45.559 --> 02:56:49.360 pointing to us in the bed and then the person 2670 02:56:49.440 --> 02:56:53.760 came in and shot her from like you couldn't see 2671 02:56:53.760 --> 02:56:57.559 the person shooting from the person who fired the shot 2672 02:56:57.680 --> 02:57:01.680 from the film there. You just know she got shot. 2673 02:57:02.040 --> 02:57:05.760 Yeah, So in the room, was there somewhere where there 2674 02:57:05.840 --> 02:57:07.600 might have been a people. 2675 02:57:08.879 --> 02:57:11.959 There could have been there, I mean, that's possible if 2676 02:57:12.040 --> 02:57:16.680 if somebody was just watching, like maybe even Trump himself, 2677 02:57:16.920 --> 02:57:21.079 Like he wasn't there for any of that initial part. 2678 02:57:21.200 --> 02:57:22.520 He just came in after. 2679 02:57:23.479 --> 02:57:26.879 Yeah, And you said your sense what they had said, 2680 02:57:26.879 --> 02:57:29.840 what they tried to convey to you, is that they 2681 02:57:29.879 --> 02:57:32.360 knew Trump was coming in the room after like Trump 2682 02:57:32.360 --> 02:57:33.280 had hired them to. 2683 02:57:34.959 --> 02:57:39.360 Yes, wanted the gun at me and said, there's gonna 2684 02:57:39.360 --> 02:57:40.920 be an old boy comes in here, and you know, 2685 02:57:41.120 --> 02:57:43.719 real southern drawl, there's gonna be an old boy comes 2686 02:57:43.719 --> 02:57:45.520 in here. You're gonna do whatever he says, or I'm 2687 02:57:45.520 --> 02:57:47.879 gonna put a bullet in you two. And he called 2688 02:57:47.879 --> 02:57:53.200 me something little hillbilly fuck or whatever whatever he called. 2689 02:57:53.239 --> 02:57:57.040 And that was the one that had killed patrician, and 2690 02:57:57.079 --> 02:58:01.520 he was smiling, so it wasn't he wasn't trying. And 2691 02:58:02.159 --> 02:58:10.159 you know, I just remember how much pleasure he took 2692 02:58:10.239 --> 02:58:14.799 in in the kind of the horror of the situation. 2693 02:58:16.600 --> 02:58:20.760 Yeah. Well, I'm trying to just get a sense in 2694 02:58:20.840 --> 02:58:24.840 terms of because seems obviously that that obviously they knew 2695 02:58:24.879 --> 02:58:28.280 about Trump, that Trump wouldn't just like stand in the 2696 02:58:28.319 --> 02:58:31.239 hallway and cool, cool as heels. It's the sort of 2697 02:58:31.280 --> 02:58:35.159 situation from what you've described what I know of what 2698 02:58:35.280 --> 02:58:38.319 I know Trump, that Trump would have wanted to hear 2699 02:58:39.760 --> 02:58:42.040 what was going on or watch. 2700 02:58:44.719 --> 02:58:48.239 That's possible, I can't remember the exact layout of the room. 2701 02:58:48.239 --> 02:58:52.319 Or Trump wanted yeah, or Trump just wanted you terrorized. 2702 02:58:52.360 --> 02:58:54.239 When Trump came into the room later. 2703 02:58:56.360 --> 02:59:01.280 It definitely wanted me afraid, there's no doubt about And 2704 02:59:01.920 --> 02:59:07.079 if that was to do with his desire to make 2705 02:59:07.360 --> 02:59:11.040 the experience is horrible for me as possible, or whether 2706 02:59:11.319 --> 02:59:14.440 that was from his psyche to give him some protection, 2707 02:59:14.639 --> 02:59:19.360 because I was kind of already known I think at 2708 02:59:19.360 --> 02:59:22.760 that point as being somebody that would fight back to 2709 02:59:22.840 --> 02:59:26.959 the best of my ability, you know, So it could 2710 02:59:27.040 --> 02:59:33.360 have been either either circumstance, but it was It was 2711 02:59:33.399 --> 02:59:42.319 definitely to shock, traumatize and make me more pliable, I guess, 2712 02:59:41.959 --> 02:59:47.360 in terms of acquiescing to whatever he wanted to do. 2713 02:59:48.559 --> 02:59:50.520 And I can just remember thinking, I'm gonna kill this 2714 02:59:50.559 --> 02:59:52.639 some bitch if I can, just if I can just 2715 02:59:52.680 --> 02:59:55.680 get an opportunity. You know, I'm a child at this point, 2716 02:59:55.760 --> 03:00:00.920 but you know, around we'll say, twelve years old, so 2717 03:00:01.040 --> 03:00:03.120 he is a much larger person than I am. And 2718 03:00:03.239 --> 03:00:07.319 of course forty years ago he wasn't feeble, So you know, 2719 03:00:07.840 --> 03:00:12.879 I was looking for that vulnerable point where I could 2720 03:00:13.920 --> 03:00:14.840 try to kill him. 2721 03:00:15.040 --> 03:00:19.680 You know, well, that's again, that's that's understandable context. You know, 2722 03:00:19.719 --> 03:00:27.879 there's a lot of you know, policy legislation, law for 2723 03:00:28.040 --> 03:00:33.159 country where you know that that's a situation, extreme circumstances 2724 03:00:33.200 --> 03:00:36.319 when you're you're acting in self defense. You had no 2725 03:00:36.559 --> 03:00:38.799 idea at that point whether they might just come in 2726 03:00:38.840 --> 03:00:41.719 and kill you right after they'd said if he didn't 2727 03:00:41.719 --> 03:00:45.040 do what they called trump the old an old boy. 2728 03:00:45.360 --> 03:00:47.920 The old boy wanted that they shoot you in the 2729 03:00:47.959 --> 03:00:48.559 head as well. 2730 03:00:50.040 --> 03:00:54.079 Yeah, yeah, they never they never said his name, I 2731 03:00:54.079 --> 03:00:57.399 can tell you that, but I recognized him, and then 2732 03:00:58.440 --> 03:01:01.559 I didn't see him until a number of years later 2733 03:01:02.399 --> 03:01:04.479 on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. I don't know 2734 03:01:04.479 --> 03:01:08.920 if you remember that with Robin Leech, but I saw 2735 03:01:09.040 --> 03:01:13.079 Trump on one of those episodes, and I, you know, 2736 03:01:13.319 --> 03:01:17.520 that's I knew that was him. So at that time 2737 03:01:17.639 --> 03:01:20.280 I did not know that this is Donald Trump. It's 2738 03:01:20.399 --> 03:01:22.319 just later when I saw him on the Lifestyles of 2739 03:01:22.360 --> 03:01:25.360 the Rich and Famous, and I said, well, I know 2740 03:01:25.479 --> 03:01:29.959 that rich asshole. You know, because in my mind I 2741 03:01:30.520 --> 03:01:33.719 even as a child, you know, they present on TV. 2742 03:01:34.200 --> 03:01:37.719 You know, these these rich people being you know, something 2743 03:01:37.760 --> 03:01:42.879 that you want to be. But from my experience human 2744 03:01:42.920 --> 03:01:44.319 beings on planet Earth. 2745 03:01:44.719 --> 03:01:49.040 Yeah, well you know there are folks that are financially wealthy. 2746 03:01:49.360 --> 03:01:52.440 Aren't just utterly horrifyingly malevolent? 2747 03:01:54.639 --> 03:01:57.360 You sure, my adult me knows, who knows that? 2748 03:01:57.680 --> 03:02:03.159 There's obviously a lot. You encountered the worst of the worst, 2749 03:02:03.360 --> 03:02:04.079 without question. 2750 03:02:06.399 --> 03:02:09.520 I am hopeful, though, that they have already made one connection, 2751 03:02:09.920 --> 03:02:12.440 and if they do any more digging, all they're going 2752 03:02:12.479 --> 03:02:15.719 to do is find more connections. Because my dad has 2753 03:02:15.719 --> 03:02:22.799 been involved in that sort of activity since at least 2754 03:02:23.600 --> 03:02:27.079 nineteen eighty, you know, at least and probably even a 2755 03:02:27.120 --> 03:02:34.200 few years before that. Yeah, so we're talking forty five years, 2756 03:02:34.360 --> 03:02:40.280 and those paths are going to cross. You know. I 2757 03:02:40.360 --> 03:02:46.399 know that they're looking for specific intersections between him and Epstein, 2758 03:02:47.280 --> 03:02:51.680 which I know exist, but he's also going to intersect 2759 03:02:51.719 --> 03:02:55.559 with many other people that were involved in all of 2760 03:02:55.600 --> 03:03:00.799 that stuff. He was kind of just one of those, 2761 03:03:02.719 --> 03:03:05.680 being a pilot and being a former guy that could 2762 03:03:06.120 --> 03:03:12.040 handle himself and having his I'm pretty sure private investigator's 2763 03:03:12.079 --> 03:03:15.000 license and just thinking from my standpoint, what that gives 2764 03:03:15.040 --> 03:03:18.440 you the right to do, like you said to initiative investigations, 2765 03:03:18.479 --> 03:03:25.920 look into databases, also carry a side arm, so all 2766 03:03:25.959 --> 03:03:34.719 of those things together, it definitely paints you know, definitely 2767 03:03:34.719 --> 03:03:35.440 paints a patire. 2768 03:03:38.600 --> 03:03:43.200 So that's the testimonies of Sasha Riley. Yeah, those were 2769 03:03:43.200 --> 03:03:46.520 some long clips. It's crazy shit. I want to know 2770 03:03:46.600 --> 03:03:51.639 what your thoughts, feelings, opinions about this shit are. Thanks 2771 03:03:51.639 --> 03:03:56.319 for hanging in there with me, and if half of 2772 03:03:56.360 --> 03:03:59.079 the stuff this guy said is true, I hope all 2773 03:03:59.120 --> 03:04:03.639 of them burning how well, fuck me, dude. This is 2774 03:04:03.680 --> 03:04:06.360 exactly the shit that I'm talking about here, with the 2775 03:04:06.399 --> 03:04:10.639 b hole stuff, the murder, the torture, the mutilation, the 2776 03:04:10.799 --> 03:04:13.879 farm parties, Like, come on, you guys, this is some 2777 03:04:14.040 --> 03:04:19.559 sick fucking shit here, some sick fucking shit and it 2778 03:04:20.079 --> 03:04:21.200 was a shock to me. 2779 03:04:21.319 --> 03:04:21.600 Again. 2780 03:04:21.639 --> 03:04:24.120 Shout out to my sister for sending this my way, 2781 03:04:25.440 --> 03:04:27.520 and thanks so much for sticking around to the end 2782 03:04:27.559 --> 03:04:30.680 of the episode. You guys are troopers, but this is 2783 03:04:30.719 --> 03:04:36.440 some wild stuff and uh yeah, I had I had 2784 03:04:36.479 --> 03:04:41.120 never I had never heard of it. So share this 2785 03:04:41.159 --> 03:04:46.159 episode with you friends, people, share it or repost it. 2786 03:04:46.280 --> 03:04:48.079 Do what you do, Do what you do. 2787 03:04:48.760 --> 03:04:51.520 But thanks so much for listening to you guys, and 2788 03:04:51.680 --> 03:05:48.760 I will catch you on the next one. 2789 03:05:02.879 --> 03:05:24.079 Sh