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Speaker 5: Hello, what is going on? Everybody? Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 5: I hope the title of this episode was enough to
Speaker 5: catch your attention.
Speaker 4: Today.
Speaker 1: I got a.
Speaker 5: Real fucking kicker for you. Uh and shout out to
Speaker 5: my sister. She's the one who sent this my way.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm totally behind the times and you guys already
Speaker 5: know all about this shit, but it blew my mind.
Speaker 5: So I wanted to share it with you, regardless of
Speaker 5: if you had heard of it or not.
Speaker 2: She sent me.
Speaker 5: Something. It was like a link and then she said,
Speaker 5: you have to listen to this right now. And a
Speaker 5: lot of the times she sends me stuff and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: this is one of those soccer mom conspiracy theory things,
Speaker 5: and it's you know, whatever. I humor her. You know,
Speaker 5: she's my sister gotta you gotta humor people sometimes, but
Speaker 5: this one stuck out and it was some kind of
Speaker 5: a sub stack something some shit and listen people. Yes,
Speaker 5: I have a podcast, I do a little instagramming, a
Speaker 5: little Facebook momming, but I don't really be up all
Speaker 5: up in these different platforms. So I was like subs.
Speaker 5: I don't even know what a substack is. But it
Speaker 5: was like a little article called Don't Worry boys are
Speaker 5: Hard to Find, and then it had all these audio
Speaker 5: clips attached to it. Supposedly she published this. The author
Speaker 5: published this on November twenty third, twenty twenty five. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it's not brand new information, but it's fucking new to me.
Speaker 5: And it started out with this scripture Luke twelve two
Speaker 5: through three. However, nothing is covered up that will not
Speaker 5: be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. Whatever
Speaker 5: you have said in the dark will be heard in
Speaker 5: the light, and whatever you have whispered in the inner
Speaker 5: rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops. So the publisher's
Speaker 5: note is these briefings contain first hand accounts of extreme
Speaker 5: child trafficking, torture, rape and murder conducted within the Trump slash.
Speaker 5: Epstein and associated criminal enterprises over the course of several decades.
Speaker 5: This briefing is part one of two. It includes six
Speaker 5: unedited audio recordings. I recorded the audio myself. The master
Speaker 5: files remain in my custody. Copies of these recordings and
Speaker 5: supporting documentation have been securely distributed to police. Ya Da
Speaker 5: Da da da.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 5: It says, during the years Sasha Riley was trafficked within
Speaker 5: the Trump Slash Epstein Ring, he was forced to perform
Speaker 5: sexual acts during the filming of several child pornography films,
Speaker 5: including a snuff film. He recalls at least ten to
Speaker 5: twelve such films. During the snuff film shoot, Sasha Riley
Speaker 5: saw a girl child shot and killed during filming. After
Speaker 5: another film shoot, a girl child was taken to another room.
Speaker 5: Sasha Riley recalls hearing gunshots. He said that when he
Speaker 5: heard the gunshots, he was scared. He said that another
Speaker 5: perpetrator still in the room with him, sensing his fear,
Speaker 5: said don't worry, boys are hard to find. The films
Speaker 5: were produced within the Trump Epstein Ring. And she attaches
Speaker 5: the audio clips and she says, please listen to this
Speaker 5: testimony to discern the truth for yourself and and Yeah,
Speaker 5: they talk about some stuff that I'm rolling my eyes
Speaker 5: about with, like NASA and climate change and Joe Biden,
Speaker 5: like he's not fucking part of all this. But I
Speaker 5: want you to sit back, fucking do what you do.
Speaker 5: Get some beer, wine, smoke, a little joints. You know,
Speaker 5: you might want to find something a little bit heavier, Zoloft, lexapro, larazapam, Zannibard,
Speaker 5: pop something, because this shit is wild and you're gonna
Speaker 5: fucking need it. I'm just going to go ahead and
Speaker 5: play you the audio clips. It's some crazy shit, you guys,
Speaker 5: and you know, let me know your thoughts, feelings, opinions.
Speaker 5: Is this the truth? Is this sky legit? Sasha Riley
Speaker 5: never heard of this before, but we may finally get
Speaker 5: them to why Trump has shitty diapers?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Sure people like to say it was a little uh
Speaker 5: adderall abuse whatever. I have a friend who literally pops
Speaker 5: adderall like it's going out of style, and she does
Speaker 5: not shit her pants. So there's that. But let's get
Speaker 5: right into it. I'm gonna play these clips there, long
Speaker 5: ass fucking clips. This is gonna be a long episode,
Speaker 5: but you know, break it up, do what you do.
Speaker 5: Play it over the course of a couple of days,
Speaker 5: but it's definitely worth listening to. We're gonna roll right
Speaker 5: into it and I'll catch up with you on the
Speaker 5: other side.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start recording, and so I just want
Speaker 1: to clarify in terms of date, July eighteenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: My full name least well Folding and Riley. You want
Speaker 1: to state your name.
Speaker 2: And William, I'm sorry, go ahead, I didn't mean toruct.
Speaker 2: My name is William Sasha Riley. I was born Manuel
Speaker 2: Sasha Barbs, Okay, but my legal name is William Sasha
Speaker 2: Riley at.
Speaker 1: This time, okay. And I'm just so we're clear. I'm
Speaker 1: based in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. I lived in the
Speaker 1: United States full time for a bunch of years, but
Speaker 1: I was brought up in Canada. My citizenships Commadian.
Speaker 2: And we might be neighbors at some point because Canada
Speaker 2: is right now number two on the list of the
Speaker 2: countries that I am potentially going to move to.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a good place to look.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of Americans. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've spoken to Americans that I've said is I've told
Speaker 1: to come here, and there's lots of Americans that have
Speaker 1: come to visit more and it's a lot more embracing
Speaker 1: inclusive of a culture. So you know, it's quite lovely.
Speaker 1: I recommend in terms of what my approach, really, what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do is like to just really like
Speaker 1: thorough discussion. You tell me everything that that you've been
Speaker 1: wanting to say, and I'll ask some questions. This might
Speaker 1: be one of like many how many discussions, and I'll
Speaker 1: record them if it's one, if it's ten. And what
Speaker 1: I'd like to do, I'm sort of recording with an
Speaker 1: eye to a your testimony, getting your testimony of what
Speaker 1: you experienced, what abuse you suffered, and what you were
Speaker 1: witnessed to. And an I in terms of being able
Speaker 1: to get into a format in terms of affidavits, whether
Speaker 1: we look at getting help from the International Criminal Court,
Speaker 1: because obviously what you know, you and I've discussed already,
Speaker 1: there's definitely a whole lack of crimes that have been
Speaker 1: getting committed by a lot of folks, and is even
Speaker 1: a case where there could be crimes against community charges
Speaker 1: in regards to Trump. So and what else I'd like
Speaker 1: to do is I'd like to look at whether whether
Speaker 1: you would be okay with you know me, like transcribing
Speaker 1: and then publishing something. I published newsletters selectively. I have
Speaker 1: a newsletter called Outlaws of Chivalry I published once in
Speaker 1: a while, and I was looking at perhaps publishing there
Speaker 1: if you're okay in terms of how it could help
Speaker 1: us in terms of getting the right legal support in
Speaker 1: terms of the International War Court.
Speaker 2: I am. I am for whatever puts a light on
Speaker 2: this because in my mind, the powers that be are
Speaker 2: already aware of my position on it and aware that
Speaker 2: I have spoken up. And you know, the more light
Speaker 2: that is shed on there, I don't think that I'm
Speaker 2: incurring more risk, except for some maybe lunatic that wants
Speaker 2: to be a soldier for Donald Trump because they are
Speaker 2: a little a little crazy, they're a little brainwashed. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't mind whatever would bring a little bit more
Speaker 2: light to this, particularly the stuff if we can get
Speaker 2: some of this stuff verified, you know, and I know
Speaker 2: that me speaking up is one thing, but then the
Speaker 2: verification process, yeah, you know, it is important too. And
Speaker 2: I have read about software where you know, facial recognition
Speaker 2: software that taps into the banks of known catalog child pornography.
Speaker 2: So if that the the films that they had me
Speaker 2: make can be verified, you know, it's not something that
Speaker 2: I can go online, but I am confident that it's
Speaker 2: there because somebody that I served within the Army got
Speaker 2: put out of the Army for child pornography in my
Speaker 2: chain of command talked to me and they said, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, some of these images, some of the films
Speaker 2: or whatever that he had looked just like you. And
Speaker 2: that was the first time I think I had ever
Speaker 2: talked to anybody about having done those films. And I
Speaker 2: told him, yes, when I was a child, I had
Speaker 2: to do those things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk a little bit more about that circumstance, Like,
Speaker 1: so you were in the army. What years were you
Speaker 1: in the army?
Speaker 2: Then this would have been my second time in the Army.
Speaker 2: I've rejoined in let's see two thousand and two, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I retired in twenty sixteen. I was in from
Speaker 2: ninety one to ninety eight as well, so I did
Speaker 2: a little over twenty one years. But the time frame
Speaker 2: that they pulled me into the office and discuss that
Speaker 2: would have been around two thousand and eight, two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine time frame. It was obviously it was in garrison,
Speaker 2: so it was between deployments. Yeah, so around that time
Speaker 2: is when they talked to me, and yeah, I can
Speaker 2: just remember. I can remember telling them that that I
Speaker 2: knew it was out there, there was nothing I could
Speaker 2: do about it, and thinking that there was really no
Speaker 2: way to go about, you know anything at that point,
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't know what I could do about it,
Speaker 2: if anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was when our emails the it was
Speaker 1: one of the fellow soldiers that was caught with a
Speaker 1: bunch of child pornography. And then your commanding officer pulled
Speaker 1: you into the office to go through and said to
Speaker 1: see you in the films.
Speaker 2: I did not look at any of the films.
Speaker 6: All they did was, hey, we had to.
Speaker 2: Look at some of this stuff. And one of those
Speaker 2: people looks just like you. And that's the first time
Speaker 2: that I had, I think ever really spoken about it.
Speaker 2: And I said, yes, you know those are probably me,
Speaker 2: but I did not personally feel but they described something
Speaker 2: that I knew that I had been a part of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 2: Here's what it was. Yeah, they when they pulled me in,
Speaker 2: I can remember first, aren't Bayliss was kind of red faced,
Speaker 2: and he said, have you ever made a movie with
Speaker 2: a black girl? And you know that obviously was I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not a movie star, so obviously that's a very
Speaker 2: odd question. And I knew exactly what he was talking
Speaker 2: about when he said that, so I said yes. So
Speaker 2: he said, okay, well, we have found some images that
Speaker 2: are of a sexually explicit nature on another soldier's computer,
Speaker 2: I think, and they look like you, and I said,
Speaker 2: well they are me, so he said, and you look underage.
Speaker 2: I think from that was part of their investigation to
Speaker 2: confirm that the images of the the participants in these
Speaker 2: films were underage. So you know, that was just a
Speaker 2: secondary verification that, Yeah, I was only twelve or thirteen
Speaker 2: at the time of that film, maybe even eleven, So
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I'm not an adult. And even when
Speaker 2: I was an adult at eighteen or nineteen, I still
Speaker 2: looked young. So obviously at eleven twelve of whatever I
Speaker 2: was in that film, I would not have looked like
Speaker 2: a mature an adult.
Speaker 6: You know, So it was more I think, for.
Speaker 2: Comfort that these images were of children. So I don't
Speaker 2: remember if he actually got court martialed or if he
Speaker 2: just got u CMJ, which is just their lower grade
Speaker 2: of punishment. But I do know that he was chaptered
Speaker 2: out of the military over maybe he might have had
Speaker 2: to do a little jail time, but I don't I
Speaker 2: don't recall I can't even recall the soldier's name that
Speaker 2: got caught with it. I just knew he was an
Speaker 2: ncois staff sergeant.
Speaker 1: And was there any did anyone else ever talk to
Speaker 1: you about the films?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 1: Did they ever talk? Did did they ever infer that
Speaker 1: there was any further investigation in terms of when the
Speaker 1: films were produced? Did they ask you anything about who
Speaker 1: is involved?
Speaker 2: Or did they No, No, they didn't. They didn't go
Speaker 2: into any legality other than the prosecution of the soldier
Speaker 2: with the image. So in the military it is a
Speaker 2: little bit different than civilian Uh, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to call it the court system because it's just
Speaker 2: the the the officers and NCOs in the military. But
Speaker 2: they they have their you know, sphere of influence. They
Speaker 2: have their little scope of operation and if they uncover more,
Speaker 2: I think that they're required to give it to the
Speaker 2: civilian and authorities, But they don't have any jurisdiction to
Speaker 2: go further than to just prosecute the soldier for the
Speaker 2: infraction that he is guilty of. If that makes sense
Speaker 2: the way I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, no, I understand. Do they have any duty or
Speaker 1: any is there any legal or do they have legal
Speaker 1: requirements to inform civilian prosecutors in such cases.
Speaker 2: If they suspect or I if there's additional wrong doing
Speaker 2: that is outside of their scope of of being able
Speaker 2: to prosecute, and in this case, to hold the individual
Speaker 2: soldier accountable for having this material that he's not supposed
Speaker 2: to have, they prosecute that portion of it. If it
Speaker 2: is beyond what they can prosecute, then they refer the
Speaker 2: soldier to civilian court systems. But in this case, the
Speaker 2: military did handle the prosecution of the soldier, and I
Speaker 2: think all he got was like thirty days and reduction
Speaker 2: ranks at E one. They kicked him out of the
Speaker 2: army and gave him a less than honorable discharge. I
Speaker 2: think I don't think he even got a bad conduct
Speaker 2: for that, but it you know, I know that he
Speaker 2: was put out of the military, and I think he
Speaker 2: did the thirty days in jail, I think is the
Speaker 2: most that they can give you at the at the
Speaker 2: level the day that they prosecuted him at so I
Speaker 2: don't I'm not saying that they you know for sure
Speaker 2: on the on the jail time, but I do know
Speaker 2: for a fact was he was put out of the military.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they had films, they had some of those.
Speaker 2: Yes, Cable, that was his last name, h A B
Speaker 2: E L. I think staff sergeant Habel. I just remembered
Speaker 2: it because I could picture his faith and I shouldn't remember.
Speaker 1: His name, Cable, Okay, h A B E L.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm relatively certain on that name. I don't have
Speaker 2: the best memory. I was in a blast that I racked,
Speaker 2: and one of the things that I struggled with mightily
Speaker 2: are names.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I am.
Speaker 2: I'm fairly sure that's his.
Speaker 1: Name, Okay, Okay. And in terms of the films they had,
Speaker 1: so so, there was obviously a collection of pornography. Any
Speaker 1: is there anyone you're in contact with of those you're
Speaker 1: commanding officers that would they talk to you, would they
Speaker 1: provide evidence or is it a situation where.
Speaker 2: Michael Michael Bayliss is the only one that I've remember
Speaker 2: speaking to about it. I have not spoken to him
Speaker 2: since I left Fort Carson in two thousand and eleven.
Speaker 2: I would think that he would probably remember something like that,
Speaker 2: just just the unusualness of it, you know, for sergeants
Speaker 2: to deal with things day in and day out. But
Speaker 2: I would I would think that he would remember that
Speaker 2: just because of how it's not every day that you
Speaker 2: have to deal with something like that, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is possible.
Speaker 2: I think my commanding officer's name at that time was
Speaker 2: Captain Coleo Santo, But I'm not sure, because you get
Speaker 2: commanding officers come and go, you know, the first arts
Speaker 2: they can stick around longer, but commanding officers are a
Speaker 2: lot of times they're only there for a year or
Speaker 2: two and then they're off to the next thing. So, okay,
Speaker 2: my recollection of the commanding officer may not be accurate.
Speaker 1: What's the the spelling of his last name? Colasanto Cola
Speaker 1: coo l A s A n t O Okay, sat cola, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you think would be helpful to
Speaker 1: talk about right now? About then? The time frame? That
Speaker 1: was the first time anyone had ever mentioned to you
Speaker 1: anything about the films other than when you were involved
Speaker 1: in filming. Is that accurate?
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, the first time that I can recall anybody
Speaker 2: that it ever coming up. I always knew that they were.
Speaker 2: You know that the films, at least one or two
Speaker 2: of them were out there. I don't even know how
Speaker 2: many times I was filmed, but I can tell you
Speaker 2: that that some of them are are extraordinarily horrible. I
Speaker 2: can give you one instance where they were filming us.
Speaker 2: It was me and a girl that I knew that
Speaker 2: I had been trafficked with in other venues, and while
Speaker 2: we were filming, they came in and shot her in
Speaker 2: the head, so killed her obviously, so that.
Speaker 1: Would be was that the runaway?
Speaker 2: That was another girl that I can't even remember her
Speaker 2: name now, the runaway was tortured to death in a
Speaker 2: duplex and enterprise, Alabama. My parents did that and we
Speaker 2: had that wasn't on film, that not her being tortured,
Speaker 2: but that was that was that black girl that I'm
Speaker 2: telling you about that later on Michael Bayliss had talked
Speaker 2: to me about. But they went and got her because
Speaker 2: they were afraid that this was after the investigation in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and they were afraid that they would go down for
Speaker 2: child pornography. So they were wanting to kill her, and
Speaker 2: then they were wanting to get rid of me via
Speaker 2: an accident, but they couldn't because they had already tried
Speaker 2: to kill me several times. They had the incident in
Speaker 2: Texas involving a Chevy Van. There was another instance in
Speaker 2: Texas where my dad threw me into the middle of
Speaker 2: a pool and said sink or swim, and somebody saw
Speaker 2: it and called the sheriff, so there was police report
Speaker 2: on that. And then there was a third instance in
Speaker 2: Texas where my dad threw me down a flight of
Speaker 2: stairs and that one fractured my skull. Now there may
Speaker 2: have been other things that happened as well, but I
Speaker 2: remember those three were enough that they generated an investigation.
Speaker 2: There were enough things that happened in Texas that my
Speaker 2: dad moved from Texas to Tennessee and then got in
Speaker 2: trouble in Tennessee, and then moved they gotten trouble in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and they moved to Alabama, got in trouble in Alabama,
Speaker 2: and then we just moved one more time.
Speaker 1: And about your Alabama, your adoptive dad, William Kyle Riley, correct, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: don't I have?
Speaker 2: I have located my birth parents my birth mother lives
Speaker 2: in Sierra Vista and my birth father lives in Edmund, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: but I have as yet, I have not reached out
Speaker 2: either of them. I just within the last year, probably
Speaker 2: six months, I learned where they live, so that I
Speaker 2: don't know. That's just an odd dynamic for me and
Speaker 2: I'm still kind of processing that. But as far family goes,
Speaker 2: I have a half sister of in Massachusetts. And that's
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, And your adopted dad, William Kyle Riley worked as
Speaker 1: a pilot and was involved.
Speaker 2: Yes, he was in all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, worked a lot with Trump and Epstein, correct.
Speaker 2: He I know that he was around Epstein and worked
Speaker 2: with Epstein, and I want to say that he flew
Speaker 2: for Epstein and if not for Epstein directly, like transporting
Speaker 2: Epstein himself. He did transport some of the rich people
Speaker 2: to and from these parties that Epstein and company hosted. It.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just him. It was kind of a cabal
Speaker 2: of several people, and Epstein was the I guess the
Speaker 2: lead coordinator maybe hell, but it's much more and just
Speaker 2: him as an individual, you know. It was people like
Speaker 2: him like Trump, other people, and I can't remember, you know,
Speaker 2: like how many, but he was he was handy to
Speaker 2: have around because he was a part of the process.
Speaker 2: And he isn't just a like an airline pilot or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 6: He can fly anything. He can fly.
Speaker 2: Helicopters, fixed wing, smaller aircraft, larger aircraft. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: you know, he's that pilot, that kind of that multi
Speaker 2: purpose guy that could transport whatever you needed. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if he ever got into
Speaker 2: the drugs. I can remember him talking at one point
Speaker 2: and he had refused to do a drug run basically,
Speaker 2: and somebody else took that drug run and they got busted. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what kind of aircraft it was
Speaker 2: or whatever. And it was a round Florida that guy
Speaker 2: got busted. Ay, maybe he flew down to the Virgin
Speaker 2: Islands or something like that. I can't remember these specific details,
Speaker 2: but I can remember the conversation that my dad had
Speaker 2: talking about thank god I didn't take that and because
Speaker 2: the guy got busted and he wound up huge amount
Speaker 2: of charges twenty five to life or whatever the heck
Speaker 2: he got. But I can remember from his perspective being
Speaker 2: nervous because the people that he was working with, he
Speaker 2: was scared that they were going to set him up
Speaker 2: to take the fall for something, to just get rid
Speaker 2: of him, because he had been involved in so much
Speaker 2: other criminality that he was really nervous about taking on
Speaker 2: anything else. I know that's kind of word salad the
Speaker 2: way that I said it, But I think you kind
Speaker 2: of understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I do. No, I understand, I understand perfectly. So your
Speaker 1: dad would obviously, you know. My understanding is your your
Speaker 1: dad was the kind of pilot that those sort of
Speaker 1: criminals would want to use because they could use him
Speaker 1: to fly any anything in any situation, to airlift Trump out,
Speaker 1: like you said, when you almost killed Trump when Trump
Speaker 1: was assaulting you, or I don't fly guests.
Speaker 2: He wasn't in that Killstely.
Speaker 1: No, that's okay. So yeah, I've got you know, I've
Speaker 1: spoken to folks that you know, they look for those
Speaker 1: sorts of pilots. They want pilots that can get guess
Speaker 1: of traffickers into situations in and out, discreetly, trafficking victims
Speaker 1: in and out of situations discreetly, and victims that they
Speaker 1: killed out of situations discreetly, all sorts of nonsense. So
Speaker 1: it seems like and.
Speaker 2: That's what that's what he did. He shuttled the people.
Speaker 2: But I can remember him not wanting to cross the
Speaker 2: bridge over to running drugs. Yeah, you know, because in
Speaker 2: his mind, if he got caught with some people, he
Speaker 2: could just play dumb. And I was just transporting this
Speaker 2: guy's kid to you know, from the you know here
Speaker 2: to there. I didn't know anything, So.
Speaker 1: So did your dad? Did your dad.
Speaker 2: Move?
Speaker 1: Transport the victims most often so more victims than guests.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to call them, I.
Speaker 2: Would say more guests than than victims. But he definitely
Speaker 2: transported both.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and that was either directly for Epstein like
Speaker 1: transport wasn't transporting Epstein so much as Eptein's victims and
Speaker 1: Epstein's guests and the clients the clients.
Speaker 2: But he was definitely around Epstein. I can remember the
Speaker 2: one time that I can remember meeting both of them,
Speaker 2: and I can't even remember Jeffrey hardly at all, but
Speaker 2: I can remember the conversation in the car where they
Speaker 2: kept asking how to say kiss Laine's name because it
Speaker 2: was unusual. And during that meeting, my mom wanted to
Speaker 2: get the name right, you know, or whatever that was
Speaker 2: important to her, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's your mom's name again?
Speaker 2: Her name was mary Lynn Reilly. This would be kind
Speaker 2: of a third mom because my dad adopted me with
Speaker 2: a lady named Irene Pursula Liskey was her maiden name.
Speaker 2: Her name is Peter now, but those who adopted me.
Speaker 2: He got divorced from Irene in seventy nine or eighty
Speaker 2: and almost immediately married Lynn, so Irene may have been
Speaker 2: involved in some of that, but that would be from
Speaker 2: a timeframe that I don't have clear recollection. I do
Speaker 2: have clear recollection of mary Lynn Riley's involvement, but she
Speaker 2: died via suicide a number of years ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, what are you most comfortable to talk about next?
Speaker 1: I mean, let me ask some more questions in terms
Speaker 1: of the now. You told me about Trump and about
Speaker 1: bigs and about Jordan. I feel like that's important to
Speaker 1: discuss some details and let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's more helpful for you to talk
Speaker 1: about what you remember first when you were first traffic,
Speaker 1: the circumstances, individuals involved, or do you want to talk
Speaker 1: about some of the incidents that we spoke about a
Speaker 1: bit by email already. What do you think is willful
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 2: Fill in whatever gaps in that that I can. I
Speaker 2: have spoken to you about most of what I remember clearly,
Speaker 2: but I can I can give you some of the
Speaker 2: details with those three, and that's why, that's why I
Speaker 2: am willing to talk about them. You know, there's no
Speaker 2: I remember more things, but I just can't. I can't
Speaker 2: give you much in the way of detail for anybody
Speaker 2: other than those three. I can remember Jim Jordan, I
Speaker 2: went to a party. This was at a farm. There
Speaker 2: were I don't know, twenty five to fifty people there.
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was a good amount of people,
Speaker 2: but not a massive crowd by any stretch. But what
Speaker 2: the experience that my dad sold to those people was
Speaker 2: if you could pin me, then you could do whatever
Speaker 2: you wanted. But my dad had taught me how to fight,
Speaker 2: hid me in a like a bare knuckle brawler earlier
Speaker 2: in his life, and I know that he had worked
Speaker 2: kind of just beaten people up from you know, a
Speaker 2: little extra money. At one point in his life. He
Speaker 2: also entered into like the tough man contest stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So it was kind of a game for them because
Speaker 2: I was just a child, so you would think that
Speaker 2: you could just, you know, do whatever you wanted. But
Speaker 2: if they got anywhere near me, I would hit him.
Speaker 2: And by the time that Jim Jordan assaulted me, I
Speaker 2: was old enough that those adults, not being most of
Speaker 2: them not being athletic in any way, you know, these
Speaker 2: are these are people that you know, they're not fighters
Speaker 2: by any stretch. They couldn't get anywhere near me, and
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan just sort of rushed me and tackled me.
Speaker 2: And I might have known how to fight, but I
Speaker 2: didn't know how to wrestle. So he assaulted me in
Speaker 2: front of a crowd.
Speaker 6: And I think that it.
Speaker 2: Was filmed, but I can't swear that it was filmed,
Speaker 2: but it was in front of those twenty five or
Speaker 2: fifty people.
Speaker 1: And how old is that?
Speaker 2: Why I remembered. I was.
Speaker 1: Around twelve twelve when that happened, and on those twenty
Speaker 1: five fifty people. Hope, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: The reason that I remember Jim Jordan is first, he
Speaker 2: stood out because he wasn't that much. He's only like
Speaker 2: seven or eight years older than me. So at the
Speaker 2: time frame that I'm at twelve. He is right around
Speaker 2: just graduating high school, maybe first year or two of college, right,
Speaker 2: So him being so much younger stood out. And then
Speaker 2: I remembered his jawline. He has a very very pronounced jawline.
Speaker 2: I remembered his voice, and his mannerisms haven't changed throughout
Speaker 2: his life either. So when I really started, as soon
Speaker 2: as Trump went down that escalator and said he was
Speaker 2: running for president, I got involved in politics, you know,
Speaker 2: I started. I started watching it. I started watching who
Speaker 2: supported him and everything like that. And I remember Jim
Speaker 2: Jordan just from watching him on the floor of Congress,
Speaker 2: you know, speaking to the different people that you know,
Speaker 2: go up there and testify. So uh, and that's him,
Speaker 2: you know, I just remembered him.
Speaker 6: So that's I know that's not a lot, but.
Speaker 2: You give me a polygraph, I'm going to take it
Speaker 2: because I'm one hundred percent sure that it was him
Speaker 2: and Andy Biggs. I remember because on the way to this,
Speaker 2: they took me to a house. This wasn't at a party.
Speaker 2: This was later after I had assaulted Trump, and it
Speaker 2: was kind of a punishment type of thing where he
Speaker 2: was going to get to assault me, and I guess
Speaker 2: not pay my parents, and he got to do whatever
Speaker 2: he wanted. And I can remember telling me that I
Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to fight back or they'd kill me. And
Speaker 2: you know all of this, but they must have said
Speaker 2: his name fifty times in the car, so Bigs kept
Speaker 2: I kept hearing Big Andy Biggs Biggs, and I thought,
Speaker 2: I'm going to remember this name. And after he assaulted me,
Speaker 2: I don't even remember the assault necessarily, but I remember
Speaker 2: being in the car afterwards and being like really nauseous,
Speaker 2: sick to my stomach. I was seeing spots, and I mean,
Speaker 2: the guy beat me until I had broken ribs and
Speaker 2: was convulsing, turning blue and stuff like that. And I
Speaker 2: can the only part of that assault that I can
Speaker 2: remember is laying on the floor of the room trying
Speaker 2: to breathe, and I could I could hear Andy and
Speaker 2: my dad screaming back and forth at each other, and
Speaker 2: I can remember Andy Biggs saying, you said I could
Speaker 2: do whatever I wanted, and my dad saying, I didn't
Speaker 2: say you could fucking kill him. And you know, I
Speaker 2: think they may have actually thrown blows over it. But
Speaker 2: there was a heated argument and everything going on for
Speaker 2: an extended period of time, and then I can remember
Speaker 2: being in the car leaving and just having my eyes
Speaker 2: closed because my head was spinning and everything, and I
Speaker 2: was just trying to breathe just standing out, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's why I remember him so clearly. I have
Speaker 2: had more than one encounter with Trump, and that's why
Speaker 2: I tried to kill that suff a bitch, because he
Speaker 2: is a fucking monster. It's why I have not shut
Speaker 2: up about just how.
Speaker 6: Absolutely abhorrent he is as.
Speaker 2: Human being, and it's why I tried to That's why
Speaker 2: I tried to kill him. Yeah, because I had decided
Speaker 2: I had already seen enough other people die that in
Speaker 2: my mind, I thought, uh, well, they're just going to
Speaker 2: kill me too at some point, right, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to survive to be an adult from this.
Speaker 2: So in my mind, he was the biggest pilot ship
Speaker 2: that I had ever had to have any contact with.
Speaker 2: So I was going to take him with me.
Speaker 1: And how often did Trent assault to.
Speaker 2: Remember? I can remember too specifically a third one that
Speaker 2: I think, and I think I was around him more
Speaker 2: than just those three times, but only three times do
Speaker 2: I kind of remember. I can remember at one point
Speaker 2: Kim asking the people that were kind of running that
Speaker 2: party or whatever it was at that farm. He wanted
Speaker 2: to kill somebody. He wanted to he wanted to murder somebody,
Speaker 2: and they said, hey, that's not this kind of party.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. And they in lou doing that.
Speaker 2: They said, well, we've got some some puppies. If you
Speaker 2: just want to kill something, we've got to get rid
Speaker 2: of them. Anyway. So I can remember him taking those
Speaker 2: puppies one by one and like he snapped one of
Speaker 2: the puppies necks. He cut one open and let it
Speaker 2: just howl and and and you know, writhing pain while
Speaker 2: they had died, held one under some water to kill it.
Speaker 2: He just he he wanted to hurt kill those puppies,
Speaker 2: and and.
Speaker 6: You know, whatever grewsome way, you know, to experience.
Speaker 2: I guess seeing them suffer in different ways. What his
Speaker 2: kin kids, I guess, if you want to call it,
Speaker 2: that is watching people suffer. He likes to destroy people
Speaker 2: physically mentally during the process of the assault. That's why
Speaker 2: he stands out so much in my memory, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's it's it's physical pain, and then it's it's
Speaker 2: also you know, degrading and and all of that.
Speaker 6: But his thing was to just try to destroy.
Speaker 2: Human beings to the to the utmost that he could
Speaker 2: possibly do it, which is why a factor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's understandable.
Speaker 2: So I can tell you this that the last one
Speaker 2: and okay, so this was after they had killed the Samantha.
Speaker 2: It was the Black Girl that I made the one
Speaker 2: of the movies with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these were let me just ask a question
Speaker 1: just to clarify. So when Samantha was killed, these were
Speaker 1: all of these parties at the farm or similar locations
Speaker 1: to the farm where.
Speaker 2: There was what was multiple farms.
Speaker 1: Multiple farms, and usually it was parties. So there was
Speaker 1: individuals like Trump that were flown into the parties.
Speaker 6: Yes, and they would have like a building, you know,
Speaker 6: a house.
Speaker 2: Uh, and they would usually have like a tent set
Speaker 2: up and uh, you know it was almost like a
Speaker 2: little uh, I don't want to say affair. It wasn't
Speaker 2: that big. They didn't have rides or anything, but there was.
Speaker 2: It was a kind of a coordinated deal. You know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they would have the bare knuckle fighting. That's that
Speaker 2: probably is how my my dad got involved with these people,
Speaker 2: because uh, you know, you got boxing and stuff like
Speaker 2: that on TV. But that's really all you had back
Speaker 2: in the seventies and eighties. The the you know, the
Speaker 2: more the m M A type of stuff wasn't allowed.
Speaker 2: And these fights were a little more gruesome. They didn't
Speaker 2: they didn't fight to the death or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but they were they were bloody, and you know, I
Speaker 2: mean these were these were fights, you know, and not
Speaker 2: just boxing. And so the rich people would pay to
Speaker 2: see that. Sometimes they'd have like a you know, a
Speaker 2: band playing, uh, you know, just like what you would
Speaker 2: expect at like a fair or something.
Speaker 1: You know, So the rich folks would get flown in
Speaker 1: associated with Epstein and they would pay to watch the
Speaker 1: victims fight. The victims were all underage, and would they
Speaker 1: pay to the assault the victims after the fights or
Speaker 1: during the fights, and they paid it to torture the
Speaker 1: victims and yes, and kill the victims.
Speaker 2: But now now some of the fights were adults, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, if they had some big old country boy
Speaker 2: and some other guy, they they would.
Speaker 6: Pay to see that.
Speaker 2: They would also pay to watch the kids fight. And
Speaker 2: they did pay to watch me fight. I would fight
Speaker 2: other kids and my dad was was my initial trainer
Speaker 2: for me to learn how to fight. I would later,
Speaker 2: uh go on to be a boxer, an amateur boxer,
Speaker 2: but that's how I got my start in all of that.
Speaker 2: So yes, they would have paid for that, and the
Speaker 2: experiences were different each time. There wasn't like a set thing.
Speaker 2: You never really knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 6: So you know, part of it, a lot of.
Speaker 2: It just comes down to money, you know. So if
Speaker 2: they offered five thousand dollars to have sex with me,
Speaker 2: then then you know my dad was willing to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a dollar amounts where I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: That isn't that isn't sex that that's that's sexual assault, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to say something first. I
Speaker 1: think you're extremely brave and you behave extremely strong, like
Speaker 1: a warrior, And I just want to stop and say
Speaker 1: it's important to me to say that because a lot
Speaker 1: of folks, you know, wouldn't even survive such trauma. But
Speaker 1: you've you've survived, and you know you conduct yourself with
Speaker 1: with dignity and and and gracefully, and and I it's
Speaker 1: important to me to say that. I hope you know
Speaker 1: that you know, I hope you have a sense of
Speaker 1: your your own honor, and chivalrousness, especially what you told
Speaker 1: me in terms of drugs they used on you and
Speaker 1: how they learned you drug to behave monstrous towards other kids.
Speaker 1: You know, I understand.
Speaker 2: I remember. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but
Speaker 2: I can remember, uh, some lawns, there's some arm of
Speaker 2: law enforcement showing me video of me harming one of
Speaker 2: the people that they were filming me with. And I
Speaker 2: don't know how that came about. Whether they drugged me
Speaker 2: and I lost my mind or they told me to
Speaker 2: do it. I don't I don't know the circumstances, but
Speaker 2: I can remember being in that room and then saying, well,
Speaker 2: you did this, and and it may not even been
Speaker 2: law enforcement, it may have been you know, like the
Speaker 2: people that were running that. But I can remember being
Speaker 2: really upset because I had no recollection of having done that.
Speaker 2: It was me in the video and I was beating somebody, well,
Speaker 2: a girl senseless and I didn't kill her or anything
Speaker 2: like that, but you know, yeah, and I have a
Speaker 2: feeling you know this this part I can't prove, because
Speaker 2: I you know, I have I only have my own experiences.
Speaker 2: But what the whole thing seems to be is that
Speaker 2: they first abuse you, then they get you on film
Speaker 2: abusing others.
Speaker 6: And now they have you trapped as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can't talk about the abuse that they
Speaker 2: did to you. If they want you to be a
Speaker 2: legacy victim, somebody that they can use in the future,
Speaker 2: well then they've got to get you on tape doing
Speaker 2: monstrous things to other people as well, because now they
Speaker 2: have the leverage to keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, what you're exactly right, that's exactly the tactic.
Speaker 1: And it's since the tactic is insidious because have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of the torture technique a lot of occult
Speaker 1: practitioners use. It's called inversion inversion torture inversion. Magic isn't magic.
Speaker 1: Sorcery is just smoking, mirrors, nonsense, deception techniques, but it's
Speaker 1: sort of inversion technique where to try to linguistically manipulate
Speaker 1: the victims, to try to get the victims in a
Speaker 1: position where the victims doubt whether the victims, you know,
Speaker 1: good or not. That's absolute, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: case with a lot of the Republicans you mentioned, Like
Speaker 1: you said, Clarence Thomas and Lindsay Graham were at these
Speaker 1: parties you can't remember if Linda Graham and Clarence Thomas participated,
Speaker 1: And it's sort of a question of did they participate,
Speaker 1: were they blackmailed because they were there attended the parties
Speaker 1: that they didn't participate. Can you tell me much more
Speaker 1: about Clarence Thomas and Lindy Graham?
Speaker 2: I can't. I know the least about him. The only
Speaker 2: reason that I can remember him is because he was
Speaker 2: a black man. And I'm sorry but that that club
Speaker 2: is pretty much just white folks, so having a black
Speaker 2: person there was very unusual, so he stood out. But
Speaker 2: the only thing that I can really say is that
Speaker 2: I remembered him being there, and then I remember what
Speaker 2: a big deal it was in our household when he
Speaker 2: got confirmed onto the Supreme Court, because my dad was
Speaker 2: excited about that because of how high up he was.
Speaker 2: Now I don't I can't swear I may have been
Speaker 2: assaulted by Clarence Thomas, but I cannot swear to that.
Speaker 2: If he did assault me, then it was not to
Speaker 2: the level of something that scared me to the point
Speaker 2: where I needed to remember it, if that's a good
Speaker 2: way to put that. Which rose to that and Andy
Speaker 2: Biggs rose to that and Jim Jordan rose to that
Speaker 2: because he was dangerous to me because I could keep
Speaker 2: most people away from me with my fists, but you know,
Speaker 2: he was a good wrestler, so you know, he scared
Speaker 2: me in that sense that this is a person that
Speaker 2: I can't you know that I can't keep away from
Speaker 2: me with my with my fists. Lindsey Graham, I am
Speaker 2: fairly sure he has assaulted me, but I just can't
Speaker 2: put my hand on a bible and swear to that.
Speaker 2: You know, I know that he was there. I can
Speaker 2: remember it. He just like Jim Jordany, has very distinct
Speaker 2: mannerisms and his voice is a little unusual as well,
Speaker 2: so I could remember his voice. I could remember his
Speaker 2: mannerisms and then obviously how he looks, so I can
Speaker 2: put him there. But I just can't. I can't say
Speaker 2: he did this or he did that exactly.
Speaker 1: I just can't, Okay, So I.
Speaker 2: Wish that I could provide more information on that because
Speaker 2: I think some things went on, but that's just not
Speaker 2: enough for me to point a finger to make an accusation.
Speaker 2: But he was there. I can tell you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's enough. And I know that you know,
Speaker 1: some sorts of interviews. There's we can look at at
Speaker 1: a different time to see if there is any more
Speaker 1: information you remember. But what you do remember, I just
Speaker 1: want you to know what you remember, to know that
Speaker 1: what you remember is extremely important and is extremely helpful.
Speaker 1: I know you want to be able to remember more
Speaker 1: and memories are in there, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: want to approach the situation delicately because you know.
Speaker 2: Other memories are are are just vague. You know, I
Speaker 2: can and and I have been very careful too not
Speaker 2: to to to reach out further, because there are some
Speaker 2: other names that I could I could mention that I
Speaker 2: believe were there that I know for a fact that
Speaker 2: my parents talked about, but I don't have a clear
Speaker 2: enough recollection of anything. Like I can tell you one
Speaker 2: hundred percent sure that they talked about Vladimir Putin, but
Speaker 2: I do not believe he was ever at one of
Speaker 2: those parties that I was at. But his name was
Speaker 2: brought up more than.
Speaker 1: Once during the anti.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Vladimir pud don't. I don't know even when
Speaker 2: he ascended to the presidency, but I remember the name
Speaker 2: because it was so unusual. Now at that point, he
Speaker 2: may have just been, you know, one of the Russian
Speaker 2: oligarchs or whatever. But his name came up, and I
Speaker 2: remember just because it's an unusual name, Vladimir Putin, you know,
Speaker 2: but I don't believe he was ever there. So that
Speaker 2: is like, I don't know, it's there are other names
Speaker 2: like that too.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk a little bit about.
Speaker 2: I remember Clinton's name being brought up, but I don't
Speaker 2: ever remember then.
Speaker 1: So Clinton was mentioned, but you never saw Clinton, not
Speaker 1: that I can recall.
Speaker 2: And and that's another thing too. I may have had
Speaker 2: interactions with additional people, but during some of them, I
Speaker 2: was so drugged out of my mind, I don't really
Speaker 2: remember what happened. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when when you heard them talk about Putin, so
Speaker 1: it was that one of the parties of one of
Speaker 1: the farms. Do you remember what they were saying about Putin?
Speaker 2: Just that he was some sort of like foreigner that
Speaker 2: was very important, you know, I didn't know anymore. You know,
Speaker 2: the name was just unusual. And they they mentioned his name,
Speaker 2: you know, they they kind of had fun saying his name,
Speaker 2: you know, Vladimir, you know, does he like to go
Speaker 2: by vlad or this or that. But the meeting with
Speaker 2: that person, I don't think ever materialized. I think it
Speaker 2: was just something that was discussed and never happened. Now,
Speaker 2: if he has other connections, you know, and he very
Speaker 2: well made, that's possible. But I can just remember there
Speaker 2: were at those parties, there were people that had strange accents.
Speaker 2: But that's it. That's all I could say. I couldn't
Speaker 2: point and say, well, this person was from Spain or
Speaker 2: this person was from Portugal. I have no idea. But
Speaker 2: what I do know for a fact is not every
Speaker 2: person at those parties was American. Yeah, I know that's
Speaker 2: not a lot. But again, I only remember.
Speaker 1: I have a question with Trump, I mean with Putin.
Speaker 1: Did you get the sense that the party attendees that
Speaker 1: the clients were interested in Putin? There was something they
Speaker 1: wanted from Putin. They thought they could get money from Putin,
Speaker 1: influence from Putin. Did you have any sense of that.
Speaker 2: The only sense that I had was that this was
Speaker 2: for the rich people, regardless of where they were from. No,
Speaker 2: at this point in my child brain, I knew that
Speaker 2: there were rich people and those people got to do
Speaker 2: whatever they wanted, and then there were four people like
Speaker 2: me and those people. You know, that was the dynamic,
Speaker 2: So you know, that's it. I never heard them say
Speaker 2: anything about blackmailing and stuff like that, but I can
Speaker 2: remember them showing me a video of me doing bad stuff,
Speaker 2: and then I can remember people telling me that if
Speaker 2: I ever talked about it, what I had done was
Speaker 2: illegal too, by uh. And a lot of that was
Speaker 2: just bullshit because I was just a kid and they
Speaker 2: were making me do good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but talk about malevolent hypocrisy, dude, they were just
Speaker 1: utterly grotesque. They were trafficking you. They were assaulting you,
Speaker 1: they were drugging you, and then they were trying to
Speaker 1: to They were trying to make me feel to you
Speaker 1: exactly exactly when you were in a situation because they
Speaker 1: were trafficking you.
Speaker 2: The last encounter with Trump, the one where I injured him,
Speaker 2: was the one that I remember the most vividly, and
Speaker 2: this was a setup for that. I can remember my
Speaker 2: dad before we went to the farm. This was when
Speaker 2: they lived in Enterprise, Alabama. Yeah, so it would have
Speaker 2: been about eighty one to eighty two, somewhere in there,
Speaker 2: maybe as maybe as late as eighty three. But he said,
Speaker 2: there may be somebody that you know there, and I
Speaker 2: can remember the look on his face, and it scared
Speaker 2: the shit out of it. But anyway, when I got
Speaker 2: to the farm, of course I'm scared at the farm
Speaker 2: because I don't know what's going to happen. But the
Speaker 2: first person that comes up to me is a girl
Speaker 2: named Patrician. This is a girl that I had been
Speaker 2: trafficked with before, and she came running up to me
Speaker 2: and you know, said said hello or whatever. She was
Speaker 2: about my same age, around twelve or thirteen. And I
Speaker 2: can remember my dad saying, well, why don't you guys
Speaker 2: go run off or whatever and have fun? And I
Speaker 2: can I can remember not knowing what to do in
Speaker 2: that instance, because you know, these parties weren't for me.
Speaker 2: I wasn't. And then he said something to the effect of, no,
Speaker 2: it's not like that for you anymore. You're a man now,
Speaker 2: you can just go out have fun. Well, we went
Speaker 2: to go have sex. So we went and found a
Speaker 2: room and started having sex. And while we were having sex,
Speaker 2: people burst into the room. It would have been four
Speaker 2: or five six guys, big guys, adults. At least one
Speaker 2: of them had a gun. I think I think two
Speaker 2: or three of them had guns. But they came in.
Speaker 2: They assaulted her. They beat on her, and then they
Speaker 2: shot her while she was still in the bed. They
Speaker 2: didn't beat or assault me, but what they said was,
Speaker 2: if you don't do everything that the next person coming
Speaker 2: in here wants, we're gonna shoot you, just like we
Speaker 2: did her. And I can remember them having like an
Speaker 2: argument because they shot her in the bed and then
Speaker 2: they had to go find another mattress. Well that's when
Speaker 2: Trump came in, so that's why I remember him so vividly.
Speaker 2: And it was at that point I had already decided,
Speaker 2: they're probably just going to me anyway, I'm going to
Speaker 2: take him with me, and I tried, but I did not.
Speaker 1: How did How did you?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Obviously Trump was extremely violent. Trump's yes, a sadistic psychopath.
Speaker 1: When Trump assaulted you, so sexual assault and physical assault?
Speaker 2: Yes. At one point, well, I kind of acquiesced to
Speaker 2: whatever sexual things that he wanted to do. But at
Speaker 2: some point.
Speaker 6: He wanted me to have.
Speaker 2: Sex with him. So he laid down on his stomach
Speaker 2: and there was a wooden tent steak that was in
Speaker 2: the room, and I had been eyeballing it as a weapon,
Speaker 2: and what I did was put the condom on the
Speaker 2: wooden fen Steak put it inside of him, and I
Speaker 2: kicked it as hard as I could, and that's why
Speaker 2: you had to get life lighted out because I ripped
Speaker 2: him open.
Speaker 1: Do you ever watch the movie The Equalizer? No, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, Denzel Washington. You know, sort of like
Speaker 1: justice when everyone involved in American law enforcement can't get
Speaker 1: any justice. That would be a sort of situation. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I laughed, because there's poetic justice there.
Speaker 2: Show that, and that was what facilitated. Not only did
Speaker 2: I get really assaulted by Andy Biggs, I also got
Speaker 2: assaulted by like an entire parties where the people they.
Speaker 1: Took after truck was there left to that.
Speaker 2: He had a whole other party.
Speaker 6: So they took me to.
Speaker 2: Another party after that, and because I had done that
Speaker 2: to one of those rich people, they took me from
Speaker 2: like station to station and they could do whatever they wanted.
Speaker 2: Most of them just beat on me. I can remember
Speaker 2: me standing there, had already gotten beaten up, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know five six times, and I can remember
Speaker 2: somebody urinated on me and I said thank you for
Speaker 2: not hurting me, and he just hauled off and punched
Speaker 2: me in the side of the head and knocked me out.
Speaker 2: I can remember leaving that party and my dad was
Speaker 2: just kind of dragging me out of there. It was
Speaker 2: another instance, just like with Andy Biggs, where I got
Speaker 2: beaten to the point.
Speaker 6: Where you know, I was, I was, the room.
Speaker 2: Was spinning, I was nauseous, probably throwing up, maybe some
Speaker 2: broken bones badly.
Speaker 1: And how many perpetrators did you say, again, twenty to
Speaker 1: forty twenty five to forty perpetrators.
Speaker 2: People that were there, Yes, I would say probably eight
Speaker 2: or ten that just beat the absolute hell out of me,
Speaker 2: and some of them probably sexually assaulted me. But I
Speaker 2: can't remember. I can remember getting a hurt, you know,
Speaker 2: just getting beaten up.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, was that before you tried to
Speaker 1: defend yourself from Trump or after? Do you remember that
Speaker 1: was after?
Speaker 2: That was as a punishment, if you want to call it. That.
Speaker 2: The what happened at that party was part of the punishment.
Speaker 2: And then I can remember them saying that this is
Speaker 2: the last of it. When I had to go see
Speaker 2: Andy Biggs. Andy Biggs almost fucking killed me, So I
Speaker 2: remember him to this day.
Speaker 1: I just so when Andy Biggs almost killed you was
Speaker 1: after Trump as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, Andy Biggs was after Trump. The party that a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of people assaulted me was after that, and
Speaker 2: then the last one was Andy Biggs. And then I
Speaker 2: can remember my dad saying no more. I can remember
Speaker 2: him even kind of breaking down a little bit, like
Speaker 2: psychologically because I've just I guess the repeated watching me
Speaker 2: just get destroyed by people. You got to understand, it's
Speaker 2: not like booboos and band aids. They were breaking ribs
Speaker 2: and really hurting me. You know, I've got like a
Speaker 2: deformed ridge case.
Speaker 1: To this day now it sounds like they were trying
Speaker 1: to torch you just to the point of death to
Speaker 1: punish a.
Speaker 2: Message they tried over and over again to hint to me,
Speaker 2: to get me to kill myself. Yeah, I can remember thinking,
Speaker 2: there's no way I'm going to kill myself because that's
Speaker 2: what they want. So just I find some of that
Speaker 2: just out of spite. To be honest with you, Uh,
Speaker 2: there's there's really no other way to put it. But
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to. I just I can't remember hating
Speaker 2: my mom so much that I just did not want
Speaker 2: to give her the satisfaction. Yeah. She as bad as
Speaker 2: my dad was. Mary Lynn Riley was even more evil.
Speaker 2: She sure thing was sexually torturing me. So and and
Speaker 2: she enjoyed sexually torturing Samantha when they went and got her.
Speaker 1: And Samantha was the runaway that.
Speaker 2: Right, she was. She lived in a brothel basically a
Speaker 2: house where they had four or five underage girls that
Speaker 2: had they had scooped up from wherever they got them from.
Speaker 2: And uh, they would use those girls at these parties. Well,
Speaker 2: at one time they sent me to go be a
Speaker 2: part of that brothel. So that's when I made friends
Speaker 2: with Samantha, Patricia, and Sarah, And those are the only
Speaker 2: three that I can remember their names.
Speaker 7: But Sarah committed suicide, Samantha was tortured to death, and
Speaker 7: Patricia was the girl that got shot in the bed
Speaker 7: before Trump came in.
Speaker 1: Did Patricia die, Oh yeah, yes, so Samantha, Patricia, and
Speaker 1: Sarah and all three died. Yes, yes, So Samantha was
Speaker 1: the runaway that was murdered by your adopted parents. Yes,
Speaker 1: Patricia committed suicide, Sarah committed suicide, and Pricia was murdered
Speaker 1: in the bed before Trump came in. And then they
Speaker 1: threatened yes you and said to let Trump do whatever
Speaker 1: Trump wanted to do to you or they would shoot
Speaker 1: you in the head as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, And I can remember I can remember them
Speaker 2: pointing the gun at me and Sam, we're going to
Speaker 2: kill you, and my dad protesting because he said, if
Speaker 2: you shoot him, we're all about to go to jail.
Speaker 2: And he was he was really I can remember him,
Speaker 2: but being distraught. Now he's a kind of a tough
Speaker 2: guy and you know, all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So that's what stood out to me was he was
Speaker 2: really scared because he knew that if they just shot me,
Speaker 2: that's not something he could explain to anybody. And he
Speaker 2: had gotten into so much trouble with trying to get
Speaker 2: rid of me already. But there's the Chevy van incident,
Speaker 2: there's the pool incident, and then there's the stairs incident,
Speaker 2: and all of those generated a police report.
Speaker 6: In addition to that, we went down to.
Speaker 2: Panama City, Florida, to the beach, either Panama City or Destined,
Speaker 2: and they took me to a riptide area. I didn't
Speaker 2: know it was a riptide area. There were no other
Speaker 2: people on the beach, you know, it was just us.
Speaker 2: But within like one hundred yards one hundred and fifty yards,
Speaker 2: there's the regular beach where people were at. You know
Speaker 2: how they have the Riptide zones. They don't want you
Speaker 2: out there, right for obvious reasons. Well, they took me
Speaker 2: to one of these zones.
Speaker 6: And had me, you know, say hey, you know, come
Speaker 6: out here and play.
Speaker 2: In the water and this and that. And for the
Speaker 2: first few minutes it was just the three of us
Speaker 2: playing the water. And I'm just a kid, you know,
Speaker 2: beach is awesome. So at any rate, they go back in.
Speaker 2: I'm out there playing. Eventually that current gets me and
Speaker 2: I don't know how to swim at this point in
Speaker 2: my life, so it pulls me out, you know, a
Speaker 2: one hundred feet maybe, and I'm bouncing up and down
Speaker 2: off the sandbar, just screaming my head off. Well, somebody
Speaker 2: that was on the regular beach, not in the Riptide
Speaker 2: area heard the screaming and came running from like one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards away and right by my parents
Speaker 2: who were standing there. And he goes out there and
Speaker 2: gets me, fishes me out. By the time he comes back,
Speaker 2: he's nearly exhausted, and I can remember him and my
Speaker 2: dad nearly fighting. And at this point there there are
Speaker 2: other people that are coming and you know that scares
Speaker 2: the shit out of my dad. But there was another
Speaker 2: police report with that, and I know that that police
Speaker 2: report followed us back up into Alabama because the sheriff
Speaker 2: came down there and talked to him, talked to my
Speaker 2: dad in Alabama. So there was another investigation for sure.
Speaker 2: So all of those things had already happened, and my
Speaker 2: dad was terrified that if something happened to me, especially
Speaker 2: so close to all of these other things, that all
Speaker 2: of these other investigations, he pretty much knew he was
Speaker 2: going to go to jail over it.
Speaker 1: So there was at least the chevy Man incident, Pool incident,
Speaker 1: Stairs incident. There was police and police reports. How many
Speaker 1: police were reports about three or.
Speaker 2: Four and then one that I can that are just
Speaker 2: involved in trying to get rid of me. And then
Speaker 2: there were in addition to those four, there were two investigations.
Speaker 2: One for the porn and then when we lived in
Speaker 2: the duplex and they were torturing that girl to death, Samantha,
Speaker 2: our duplex neighbors there in Enterprise, Alabama, they called the
Speaker 2: police because they could hear, you know, screams and you know,
Speaker 2: beatings and stuff like that. And when they investigated I
Speaker 2: can remember my dad saying, hey, you know, talking about
Speaker 2: me is just you know, I had gotten in trouble
Speaker 2: and got a whipping or something, and they did an investigation.
Speaker 2: They like, they collected blood samples and everything from the house.
Speaker 2: But the problem was they couldn't determine how long that
Speaker 2: blood had been there, I guess, and they didn't. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a match to anybody in the house.
Speaker 6: So for whatever reason, they just didn't have enough.
Speaker 2: And I don't think they were allowed to talk to me.
Speaker 2: I think my dad would have had to have given
Speaker 2: them permission for the investigators to interrogate me. So I
Speaker 2: don't recall ever giving testimony as a child now calling
Speaker 2: police in that instance or in the incidence up in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Did you provide any testimony to the police in any
Speaker 1: of those five cases, Well, the one case with the
Speaker 1: military with a child pornography.
Speaker 2: I can remember the sheriff talking to me at the
Speaker 2: beach in Panama City, and I don't remember what all
Speaker 2: was said, but I can remember my dad tried to
Speaker 2: get out of there and the guy that went and
Speaker 2: fished me out. My dad's a pretty big guy and
Speaker 2: he's he can fight, but the guy that went and
Speaker 2: got me was like a I mean, he was a tank,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't something that he wanted to really get
Speaker 2: into a fight about over there. And the you know,
Speaker 2: people started coming in, so they my parents. I can
Speaker 2: remember them trying to hug me and stuff. My god,
Speaker 2: thank god that I can remember the guy that fished
Speaker 2: me out and said, there's no goddamn way I heard
Speaker 2: that from one hundred and fifty yards away and you're
Speaker 2: standing there watching him and you didn't hear it, you know,
Speaker 2: And you know, they tried to play it off like, well,
Speaker 2: we just thought he was playing you know, swimming and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And I can remember the sheriff asking
Speaker 2: did you know how to swim? And I said no, sir,
Speaker 2: and they were like, okay, this this fucking sucks. You know,
Speaker 2: there's no way that this is legitimate. And I can
Speaker 2: remember the sheriff in Alabama talking to my dad and saying,
Speaker 2: there better not be anything that happens to him. And
Speaker 2: he said, because I'm just gonna go ahead and tell
Speaker 2: you you're going to go to jail. I don't care. He said,
Speaker 2: I'll make sure of it.
Speaker 1: So they had a sense, but they didn't know they
Speaker 1: didn't have enough of what they thought of as evidence.
Speaker 2: They did exactly right.
Speaker 1: And that was the case with Samantha as well. Yes,
Speaker 1: and your dad wouldn't let them talk to you, and
Speaker 1: your dad wouldn't let the police officers talk to you,
Speaker 1: so right, that weird he did? It seems weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know in Canada is a bit different, like in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, there would have been folks from
Speaker 1: Child Protection Services there and they would have gotten you
Speaker 1: away from you, your adoptive fathers to talk to you,
Speaker 1: to talk to you. You wouldn't have gone through that
Speaker 1: sort of horror in Canada. I'm really sad at that point.
Speaker 2: At one point CPS did take me, so I got
Speaker 2: into the foster care system and the ultimately I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna I was ungovernable, incorrigible as as.
Speaker 6: At that point in my life.
Speaker 2: If if you said something to me, you know, I didn't.
Speaker 6: Necessarily I didn't care who you were.
Speaker 2: I wasn't necessarily going to do that, and I might
Speaker 2: just hit you, you know, because that was just my response
Speaker 2: to life at that point. So eventually I made my
Speaker 2: way right back to that house. So I can tell
Speaker 2: you that throughout the process of trying to work with me.
Speaker 2: Jane Goodall was one of the people that worked with me,
Speaker 2: so I know that she is still alive. I think
Speaker 2: she's still alive. I think she's ninety one now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she might.
Speaker 2: Recall having worked with me because I would have been
Speaker 2: one of the strangest cases she ever had, because at
Speaker 2: around that timeframe, I had made the decision that I
Speaker 2: would no longer let anybody get within arms reaching me,
Speaker 2: and if they did, I just had a fight for
Speaker 2: my life. Though you know, people had to stay away
Speaker 2: from me. I could talk. I mean, I wasn't like
Speaker 2: a feral animal, but I just would not allow people
Speaker 2: within my personal space anymore. And because of her work,
Speaker 2: you know, with apes and everything with gorillas, you know,
Speaker 2: they kind of reached out to her to make contact
Speaker 2: with me to see if they could help me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and did you talk to Jane good old doll
Speaker 1: about what you'd experienced getting trafficked? I know when un
Speaker 1: I spoke my email messenger you said was from during
Speaker 1: about nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty six, is what
Speaker 1: you remembered nine to thirteen, but you're not sure it
Speaker 1: could have been as early as six or seven years.
Speaker 2: Old, right, right, I don't really start remembering what was
Speaker 2: going on till about ten or eleven, and I just
Speaker 2: know that it happened before that. I can I can
Speaker 2: remember being sexually assaulted by family some of my very
Speaker 2: first memories. So, but as far as taking me to
Speaker 2: other places and these parties and whatnot, I know that
Speaker 2: that sort of thing was happening, but I just don't
Speaker 2: have a good enough recollection to really piece together much
Speaker 2: of a story.
Speaker 1: So whether you were six or seven years old or
Speaker 1: ten or eleven years old with the parties.
Speaker 2: You're right, right. I know family was assaulting me, and
Speaker 2: then friends of family were assaulting me as early as
Speaker 2: six or seven. I know that some of my very
Speaker 2: first memories are of being assaulted, But as far as
Speaker 2: taking me two places to make money at these parties,
Speaker 2: I don't have a clear recollection. It may have happened
Speaker 2: as early as the first sexual assaults that were happening
Speaker 2: with family, but I don't have a clear recollection if
Speaker 2: that was going on to that scale at that time.
Speaker 2: But do have a recollection from about ten or eleven, So.
Speaker 1: How much. No, No, it's it's okay. I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're you and I are able to have such
Speaker 1: a thorough discussion, and I appreciate again how straightforward forthright
Speaker 1: you are. You know, it's extremely important.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a part of me that just wants
Speaker 2: to point fingers in every direction. But I have I
Speaker 2: have really thought about, Okay, what do I recall vividly
Speaker 2: enough that that I would put my hand on the
Speaker 2: Bible in the courtroom, raise my hand and say, yep,
Speaker 2: that's the truth. And what I am as close to
Speaker 2: one hundred percent certain that if you put me on
Speaker 2: a polygraph, I would come back just as perfect. Ye.
Speaker 2: So there are other things that I could maybe point
Speaker 2: fingers at, but then it kind of gets into muddying
Speaker 2: the water because I don't really remember them that well.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, no, that's that's good, And I
Speaker 1: think what what I'd like to do, like, well, continue
Speaker 1: to you know, discussing a bit about what we're talking
Speaker 1: about now, the things that you're le sure of. I'd
Speaker 1: like to look at a second a conversation just entirely
Speaker 1: focused on what you're not sure of, just because I
Speaker 1: think there is some important information there. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to muddy the waters in terms of what we're
Speaker 1: speaking about. Now that you that you are willing to
Speaker 1: testify in a court of law about. So so let's
Speaker 1: continue focusing about any of the details about what you're
Speaker 1: willing to swear to in a court of law, and
Speaker 1: then you know, then let's look at I would maybe
Speaker 1: look at, say a second discussion and any follow on
Speaker 1: questions for this discussion, or I might just look at
Speaker 1: getting everything transcribed and I'm just gonna look at it raw,
Speaker 1: because honestly, in terms of you know, all that there's
Speaker 1: obviously thousands and thousands of pieces of video footage film
Speaker 1: that the FBI took that's all gone into the sum
Speaker 1: whoever's been trying to profit off of is nonsense. So
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at, I'm thinking even a combination like
Speaker 1: just a brief summary for me, like a paragraph, and
Speaker 1: I'll even look at at just publishing the raw audio
Speaker 1: file of our discussion with the text messages, because I
Speaker 1: think the context is really important. I think, especially because
Speaker 1: there's been so much collusion regarding copy editing of video
Speaker 1: footage that you know, folks that are really wanting that
Speaker 1: are genuinely wanting justice, you know, for them to just
Speaker 1: hear the audio recordings and read the text messages. Is
Speaker 1: plain this day, anybody that experiences an ounce of integrity
Speaker 1: will be able to discern the truth. And I think
Speaker 1: it's so important.
Speaker 2: And I kind of wanted to discuss one other thing too.
Speaker 2: One kind of theme at these parties that that seemed
Speaker 2: to be very very well thought out is they would
Speaker 2: have a larger party in the beginning, right and and
Speaker 2: in these larger parties you might have a couple of
Speaker 2: fights or some drug use or uh you know, things
Speaker 2: that that that that that were kind of with a
Speaker 2: mildly illegal But the parties would go on for multiple days,
Speaker 2: and as the thing wound down to the smaller inner circle,
Speaker 2: and the last day or last two days or whatever,
Speaker 2: that's when the really horrible shit happened. So some of
Speaker 2: the people that attended the party, possibly even people like
Speaker 2: Clarence Thomas or Lindsey Graham, may have been involved in
Speaker 2: lesser things. But then we're also at the same time
Speaker 2: and place where these more horrible things happened, but they
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily participate in those more horrible things. So that
Speaker 2: seemed to be an underlying theme of And this is
Speaker 2: just me speculating here as an adult, where they would
Speaker 2: try to get these affluent people and all of these
Speaker 2: positions of power and influence to come participate in these
Speaker 2: parties where all of these things were going on, so
Speaker 2: that you know, if Clarence Thomas, I'll just choose him,
Speaker 2: if he was there at the party, well then surely
Speaker 2: nothing you know, that nefarious could be going on type
Speaker 2: of situations. Yeah, so it seemed to be very well
Speaker 2: thought out how they kind of did things. But as
Speaker 2: the party wound down, that's when people in my position
Speaker 2: would really begin to get scared, because that's when either
Speaker 2: going to get assaulted and maybe really busted up, or
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, even watching somebody dies is really
Speaker 2: fucking horrible.
Speaker 1: You know, did you see anyone else die besides Samantha
Speaker 1: and Patricia?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so I watched. I watched a grown man
Speaker 2: get beaten to death. He had done something that pissed
Speaker 2: off the people that were running it, and they killed him.
Speaker 2: I saw another girl in addition to Patricia. When I
Speaker 2: was making the film with the girl, they came in
Speaker 2: and shot her while we were having sex. That was
Speaker 2: some sort of a snuff film. And then in the brothel.
Speaker 2: There were two people that got killed. Sarah killed herself
Speaker 2: and then a girl I don't remember her name she
Speaker 2: was she was shot and killed. And then another girl
Speaker 2: was also shot and killed. Okay, and or remember me
Speaker 2: and Samantha having to clean up. We didn't have to
Speaker 2: do anything with the body, but I can remember me
Speaker 2: and Samantha had to clean up the blood and everything
Speaker 2: from both Sarah. Sarah's suicide, which was an assisted suicide.
Speaker 2: Samantha actually shot Sarah, but Sarah wanted her to do it.
Speaker 2: She just couldn't pull the trigger herself. So that's just
Speaker 2: so Samantha did it. I was in the room when
Speaker 2: she did. It wasn't it wasn't a murder. Samantha didn't
Speaker 2: murder her. Sarah just I can remember her just saying,
Speaker 2: I just I can't go to another party. I can't
Speaker 2: here these.
Speaker 1: You know, another of the victims. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've read about the British woman, Sarah Ransom was on
Speaker 1: the Epstein Island and tried to swim off the island
Speaker 1: and was willing to drown then go through another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, torture, I mean, it's it's some horrible, horrible ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And you know, I can remember the Hillbillies that my
Speaker 2: dad sold me to when I was small. They were mean,
Speaker 2: but I can remember the meanest motherfuckers are those rich people.
Speaker 2: They are just demonic Trump included.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm going to ask you some questions there again.
Speaker 1: So with the rich folks that you were sold to,
Speaker 1: that was all associated with with the Epstein Trump trafficking ring.
Speaker 1: And you said to me, thought Trump ran things with Epstein?
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, he was not just a client. He was
Speaker 2: one of the the people that facilitated all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It was almost like, uh, this is just my childhood
Speaker 2: brain piecing it together. It was almost as if Epstein
Speaker 2: worked for Trump, and not just Trump, but him and
Speaker 2: maybe six or eight other super rich guys so ran
Speaker 2: it at the beheast of Trump and that circle of people.
Speaker 2: So it was it was just a I couldn't tell
Speaker 2: you how many people, but he was the only one
Speaker 2: that that that I remember, that was at that level.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't that Trump was a John visiting you know,
Speaker 2: Epstein's empire of of you know, child victims. It was
Speaker 2: Trump was in a position above Epstein. It was as
Speaker 2: if Epstein worked for Trump. Yeah, and the rest of
Speaker 2: those ultra rich guys.
Speaker 1: Do you remember like he ran that ring?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 1: No, no, I understand so Red So Jeffrey was sort
Speaker 1: of presented publicly as the ringleader of the pedophile ring,
Speaker 1: but Jeffrey was basically behaving like a general manager of
Speaker 1: the ring. And then there was seven or eight other individuals,
Speaker 1: such as Trump, that were actually actively running the ring, micromanaging,
Speaker 1: telling Jeffrey what to do.
Speaker 6: He would give.
Speaker 2: Epstein that caliber person because it wasn't just Epstein. Epstein
Speaker 2: had people that worked with him too, on a on
Speaker 2: a lower level that would go like find runways and
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't know where they got the people.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't say.
Speaker 6: That, but you know it was it was this.
Speaker 2: This whole thing was being run as a yeah, and
Speaker 2: for those rich people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to ask some more questions in terms of
Speaker 1: your sense of like the demonic some of some of
Speaker 1: the advisor work, I've done, some of my own specifics
Speaker 1: of law enforcement. You know, I've come into contact, I've
Speaker 1: minimized any content with I'm familiar with a lot of
Speaker 1: really horrific COREUS stories that involve Satanists, a cult practitioner's
Speaker 1: theistic Satanists. You know, I've I've spoken to folks that
Speaker 1: were able to get out of the theistic Satanist cults.
Speaker 1: A lot of the torture techniques you describe are similar
Speaker 1: to theistic Satanist torture techniques, sexual torture, human trafficking, human countabilism,
Speaker 1: and what I wanted. You know, what's your sense in
Speaker 1: terms of these parties that that? What do you remember? Like,
Speaker 1: was there any overt I know a lot of the
Speaker 1: attendees presented themselves as Christians, but their practices are full
Speaker 1: blown demonic, satanic. Do you have the sense that any
Speaker 1: of them were actually secretly practicing any sort of occult
Speaker 1: rituals or were they just like rich, fiendish fake Christians
Speaker 1: that just didn't experience a conscience.
Speaker 2: I think it's the latter, just rich fake Christians. I
Speaker 2: can tell you one thing specifically that Trump did, yeah,
Speaker 2: and that I remember vividly. He I was exhausted, I
Speaker 2: couldn't fight back, and he sat on my chest and
Speaker 2: would choke me until I was unconscious. And each time
Speaker 2: that he did it, he would say, I'm going to
Speaker 2: kill you so and then he would choke me until
Speaker 2: I was out, And you know, he did that, you know,
Speaker 2: half a dozen times or however many times, and I
Speaker 2: can remember him saying, I thought I killed you that time,
Speaker 2: I'm really going to do it this time, and then
Speaker 2: choke me again. So he would just do that over
Speaker 2: and over again until he got bored of it.
Speaker 1: So did you get the sense that he was trying
Speaker 1: to kill you or just to tord you about the thought.
Speaker 2: And in the moment, in the moment you think you're
Speaker 2: going to die, and that that's the experience that he
Speaker 2: wants to see the fear in another human beings eyes
Speaker 2: that thinks that that he's killing him, you know. But
Speaker 2: looking back, I just think he was just torturing me.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think had he wanted to kill me,
Speaker 2: he could have. You know, he could have just kept
Speaker 2: choking me until I was I was gone, because I did.
Speaker 2: I did get choked until I was unconscious. I don't
Speaker 2: know as many as half a dozen times, maybe more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so that's the type of thing that he
Speaker 2: would do or worse. You know, I believe I wouldn't
Speaker 2: swear to this, but I believe that on that instance,
Speaker 2: they had told my dad had told him, Hey, you
Speaker 2: can't bust him up, you can't break stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: because all his CPS bullshit. Yeah, so and I want
Speaker 2: to say, I want to say he was upset at
Speaker 2: the end of that too because of the bruising. You know,
Speaker 2: they didn't bring bones or anything. But you know, obviously
Speaker 2: I had bruising around my neck and different bruises on
Speaker 2: my body. And that's something else too that I'm just
Speaker 2: remembering right now as I'm talking to you. At least
Speaker 2: one instance, the school nurse got CPS involved, I believe,
Speaker 2: in both Tennessee and Alabama because of the bruises that
Speaker 2: I showed up to school with. You know. Of course,
Speaker 2: my parents just said, hey, he's clumsy, you know, he
Speaker 2: fell out of a treehouse or whatever excuse they gave you.
Speaker 2: But there was it was looked into, but obviously nothing
Speaker 2: nothing materialized from them.
Speaker 1: So let me see. Can I call you back in
Speaker 1: about ten minutes? Sure, I just I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure I've got the recording set, you know. I
Speaker 1: want to get into a file folder and get some
Speaker 1: duplicates and then I'll call you back. Okay, it sounds good.
Speaker 1: Talk to you in a minute.
Speaker 2: By to kind of recap what we were just talking about.
Speaker 2: One of the first memories, or one of the first
Speaker 2: memories that teared itself into my consciousness because of being
Speaker 2: what I perceived as a threat as a child, was
Speaker 2: watching Donald Trump kill a litter of puppies. He did
Speaker 2: it in a variety of ways. As I stood there.
Speaker 2: They made me stand there, and he would harm or
Speaker 2: kill the puppy and then look to see what my
Speaker 2: reaction was. And in my child's brain that registered because
Speaker 2: I viewed him as somebody more dangerous than my parents,
Speaker 2: and I knew that they would hurt me. So in
Speaker 2: my ability to reason reasoning was if they were worse
Speaker 2: people than my parents, that they were somebody that might
Speaker 2: kill mere. Well, that is why he was So that's
Speaker 2: why I most of the stuff I just tried to forget.
Speaker 2: But with him, with Andy and with Jim, I remembered
Speaker 2: them because they the truth is, they scared me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I'm going to summarize a bit about
Speaker 1: what we had discussed that wasn't recorded. So with Trump,
Speaker 1: when Trump murdered the puppies and forced you to watch,
Speaker 1: had Trump you were eight or nine years old, that
Speaker 1: was your first remembrance of Trump, and had Trump sexually
Speaker 1: assaulted and tortured you already?
Speaker 2: Maybe, but I don't recall I think what happened, and
Speaker 2: I'm relatively certain, but I think that that was the
Speaker 2: precursor to him sexually assaulting me. Think that that was
Speaker 2: in an effort to make the experiences as brutal as
Speaker 2: possible for me. That was the same kind of em
Speaker 2: that was used with Patricia later on. So it seemed
Speaker 2: to be that he would use his imagination as such
Speaker 2: to try to figure out what ways would be the
Speaker 2: most traumatic.
Speaker 6: To make the most traumatic experience.
Speaker 2: To destroy somebody, kind of traumatize somebody to the maximum
Speaker 2: potential possible. So that was the first template of that,
Speaker 2: was watching him kill those puppies, and then the next
Speaker 2: higher order of that. And I couldn't tell you exactly
Speaker 2: how much time passed between, but I would say likely
Speaker 2: a couple of years or at least a year later
Speaker 2: before the incidents.
Speaker 1: With Patricia, okay, and the incident with Production.
Speaker 2: At that point. At that point, I had already in
Speaker 2: my mind, I had already thought, there's no way I'm
Speaker 2: going to live through this anyway. They're just you know,
Speaker 2: they're just going to torture me to death anyway, so
Speaker 2: I might as well do everything I can to fight.
Speaker 1: Back, Okay. And so with the incident with Patricia, then
Speaker 1: recapping they told you to go into another room with Patricia.
Speaker 1: There was film they were filming.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no. What happened with me and Patricia.
Speaker 2: My dad before we got to the party said hey,
Speaker 2: there may be somebody. You know. I had been trafficked
Speaker 2: with her previously, but she and I were as close
Speaker 2: to being friends as you could be. We were, you know,
Speaker 2: in the same boat as far as you know, our
Speaker 2: station in life. So we had kind of become friends.
Speaker 6: And she ran up to me, and I can remember she's.
Speaker 2: Saying, hey, come go with me, and I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't. And my dad said, no, no, no, it's okay.
Speaker 6: You guys go often have fun.
Speaker 2: And I said, what do you mean. He said, you
Speaker 2: can go just have fun. You're an adult now. And
Speaker 2: I can remember thinking, in my mind, I was wondering,
Speaker 2: you know, what happens next. You know, the only thing
Speaker 2: that I knew of really of being an adult was
Speaker 2: my dad. And I knew that he didn't go to
Speaker 2: these parties and get assaulted. So in my mind, you know,
Speaker 2: I thought, well, maybe.
Speaker 6: That part of my life is over.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we left, we wound up going into the farmhouse.
Speaker 2: We went into the room, not at the beheadst of
Speaker 2: anybody else. She wanted to have sex with me because
Speaker 2: she knew I wouldn't hurt her. I believe I wouldn't
Speaker 2: swear to this part, but I am relatively certain she
Speaker 2: and I had already made some movies together off, you know,
Speaker 2: not at the farm, but at you know, a shoot.
Speaker 2: But I didn't. I didn't have sex in a way
Speaker 2: that brutalized people, you know, because I kind of knew
Speaker 2: how that fell. So it was a matter of her
Speaker 2: kind of choosing somebody to try to go have sex with.
Speaker 2: She didn't she wouldn't be played in her life in
Speaker 2: danger by having sex with the you know, one of
Speaker 2: these rich guys. So we went in and started having sex.
Speaker 2: This was not in front of anybody who wasn't film
Speaker 2: that I know of.
Speaker 6: It was just we kind.
Speaker 2: Of if we were going to have the opportunity to
Speaker 2: go have sex with somebody, we were going to go
Speaker 2: have sex with each other because that in that instance,
Speaker 2: neither of us would get hurt. But while we were
Speaker 2: in that room. After some period of time, the people
Speaker 2: at that party busted in six five, six eight, maybe people,
Speaker 2: big people, adults. At least one of them had a gun.
Speaker 2: I think three or four of them had a gun,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. But then they assaulted her
Speaker 2: with me at gunpoint, and then they killed it in
Speaker 2: front of me and said, that's what's going to happen
Speaker 2: to you if you don't do everything the next person
Speaker 2: that walks in this room what they want.
Speaker 1: Do you think they knew Trump was going to walk
Speaker 1: in the room. Do you think do you think they
Speaker 1: had premeditated that Trump would walk in the room next?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, yeah. I think that would be just
Speaker 2: part of the experience for him, you know, to get
Speaker 2: to traumatize me. And for all I know he was
Speaker 2: watching through a you know, cracking the wall. I don't
Speaker 2: know about that.
Speaker 1: So like an escalation from the puppies, yes, okay. So
Speaker 1: Trump would traumatize you first and then sexually assault you.
Speaker 1: There was the incident with when Trump murdered the puppies
Speaker 1: and forced you to watch, and then the incident went
Speaker 1: Trump had Patricia killed, yes, okay, and then that's the
Speaker 1: incident with Patricia. We spoke about where Trump assaulted you,
Speaker 1: tortured you, and then Trump wanted you to engage in
Speaker 1: sex with Trump. And you found the tent pig and
Speaker 1: got a condom on and then inserted the Kingdom in
Speaker 1: trump anus just as hard as you could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And my understandable plan was to continue hurting
Speaker 2: him to death. But as soon as I did that,
Speaker 2: he started screaming and those same people busted back in it.
Speaker 1: So and then what occurred we my dad was at
Speaker 1: that party, obviously not in that room.
Speaker 2: It was just these other people. But we did not
Speaker 2: get a faulted or anything at that party. They didn't
Speaker 2: know what to do at that point, so we left.
Speaker 2: We didn't get beat up. I didn't get further assaulted
Speaker 2: by anyone.
Speaker 6: But some period of time passed, a.
Speaker 2: Week, two weeks, six weeks. I couldn't tell you how
Speaker 2: much time, but I can remember my.
Speaker 6: Dad saying, we've got to go face the music. So,
Speaker 6: you know, I can.
Speaker 2: Remember him talking to me like I had I had
Speaker 2: done something wrong. He said, you can't do that to
Speaker 2: the rich people. You know you're there there, You're gonna
Speaker 2: get beat up, is basically what he said. He said,
Speaker 2: you've been beat up before, it's gonna be just like that.
Speaker 2: You'll you'll be okay. But I can remember him saying,
Speaker 2: you can't fight back with the candless folks.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And that's when you were taken to the farm.
Speaker 1: And then six or maybe ten different groups. It was
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was at least three or four or five people
Speaker 2: at a time in these groups. Because I think by
Speaker 2: that point I was, well, I had to I had
Speaker 2: done what I did to Trump. They knew that that
Speaker 2: I was kind of in a like a homicidal type
Speaker 2: of rage, so they made sure to have enough people
Speaker 2: that that they felt safe because also my dad could
Speaker 2: fight too, and he was there, so they had in
Speaker 2: each of these little groups, they had enough that they
Speaker 2: know that they I'm sure that they could overpower both
Speaker 2: me and my dad because my dad's no slouch either.
Speaker 2: I could fight like a little wolverine even as a
Speaker 2: child because of how I came up. Well, he was
Speaker 2: a bare knuckle boxer and a tough man type of dude,
Speaker 2: so he could fight too. But it was like they
Speaker 2: took us from station to station, you know, to I
Speaker 2: don't know, just to increase, the the uh, the horror
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: I guess I really premeditated seems like premeditative, like, well,
Speaker 1: what I know of Trump is that Trump would attempt
Speaker 1: to premeditatedly stage such a scene to terrorize you relatorily.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So he wasn't there at that I assume
Speaker 2: that he was. It was a close enough time frame
Speaker 2: that he was still recovering. Yeah, but uh, I can
Speaker 2: remember that even my dad having the conversation with the people,
Speaker 2: because of the level that they had kind of taken
Speaker 2: it to to get me to that homicide rage. I
Speaker 2: remember my dad arguing that it was unreasonable. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, this is just what happens when you push
Speaker 2: somebody far enough, you know.
Speaker 1: So then they argument. So then they took you to
Speaker 1: different locations, several groups at a time, tortured and assaulted
Speaker 1: you sexually. And then at one point you said, they
Speaker 1: they hosed you off with a garden hose. And what
Speaker 1: did they say say again to your dad that you
Speaker 1: were dirty and to hose you.
Speaker 2: Off that Yeah, they said, he's disgusting, Just take a
Speaker 2: garden hose to him or something. And somebody went inside
Speaker 2: the house and got a bar of soap, and I remember.
Speaker 6: They threw it at me and hit me in the head,
Speaker 6: and that.
Speaker 2: They all thought that was funny. And I was struggling
Speaker 2: because I had to get the soap from the ground,
Speaker 2: and I can remember being hit to the point where
Speaker 2: I was just having trouble grasping the soap, not just
Speaker 2: from a standpoint of like being able to see it,
Speaker 2: but like from the coordination aspect of it, just because
Speaker 2: I'd been hitting the head and body and everything so
Speaker 2: much that I even had difficulty in getting the soap.
Speaker 2: So they made me take a shower with while they
Speaker 2: stood there with the garden hose just hosing me off,
Speaker 2: and I can remember getting really cold from that. But
Speaker 2: then it wasn't over. That would have been about the
Speaker 2: halfway point.
Speaker 1: And you said it was sexual assault followed by beatings.
Speaker 1: In all of those.
Speaker 2: Cases, yes, some people didn't even want to sexually assault me.
Speaker 2: Some people just wanted to beat the hell out of me.
Speaker 2: So not all of them, they got to do whatever
Speaker 2: they wanted, but with all of the different people that
Speaker 2: included some sort of physical assault, physical and sexual assault
Speaker 2: or just the physical. There weren't any instances of just
Speaker 2: sexual assault. It was it was. It was a round
Speaker 2: causing damage to me and and at towards the end
Speaker 2: of it, I can remember my dad saying he can't
Speaker 2: take anymore. I want to die. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 2: at that point he had like drugged me because I
Speaker 2: couldn't walk or anything. To one of the groups and
Speaker 2: they said, if if he can't take anymore, it's not
Speaker 2: over with, you're going to take the rest of it.
Speaker 2: And he said, fine, because I'm going to go to
Speaker 2: jail any to kill him. So they beat the absolute
Speaker 2: hell out of him too. I can remember my dad
Speaker 2: kind of carried me away from the last like a
Speaker 2: group of people, and I think he had a change
Speaker 2: those or something for me. And it took a while,
Speaker 2: like at thirty minutes or something, but I finally got
Speaker 2: fuir enough I could breathe and everything to where I
Speaker 2: walked out of there with help.
Speaker 1: And then is that when they took you to Andy
Speaker 1: Biggs or Andy Biggs towards thereafter?
Speaker 2: Not immediately thereafter, but another week or two passed, or
Speaker 2: maybe maybe a month, week two whatever. It was healed
Speaker 2: as far as my most of my bruises and stuff
Speaker 2: like that from the first forim incident by the time
Speaker 2: I went to Andy Biggs, and of the physical assaults,
Speaker 2: his the worst. He kept beating me until my ribs
Speaker 2: were broken. I've turned blue convulsion. If you get beaten enough,
Speaker 2: as you try to breathe, you just kind of click.
Speaker 2: I can't describe it any other way than that. It's
Speaker 2: not even a weed.
Speaker 6: Or anything, but you're You're like diaphragm.
Speaker 2: Or something locks up and you just start clicking.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 2: Some people call that like the death rattle. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: point to which you be to where when I would
Speaker 2: try to breathe, my my chest would just make this
Speaker 2: clicking noise. HM. I don't know how to just no.
Speaker 1: You described that extremely extremely clearly. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: appreciate your forthrightness. Now, you and I had spoken, and
Speaker 1: you said that your dad told you that after the
Speaker 1: incident with Andy Biggs, that that your dad said that
Speaker 1: Trump and Trump's associates said that whatever debt they thought
Speaker 1: you owed because you fought back against Trump, that the
Speaker 1: debt was paid, and the debt was you getting raped
Speaker 1: and beaten brutally by all those individuals, including anti Bigs. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then you said that you don't recall attending any
Speaker 1: more parties after that, and you weren't serviced because they
Speaker 1: thought you aged out because you were twelve or thirteen,
Speaker 1: or whether they just thought you were much too much
Speaker 1: of a hassle, like they could get caught.
Speaker 2: I think all of that came into play, yes, or.
Speaker 1: They might wanted to behave vindicted towards your dad about
Speaker 1: whatever money your dad was earning.
Speaker 2: Do you think I couldn't speak any of that corner. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure, like the financial arrangements or anything
Speaker 2: like that. I can remember that when they sent me to.
Speaker 6: The brothel, they were upset that they.
Speaker 2: Didn't make more money. And then I can remember Lynn
Speaker 2: being absolutely furious because they were going to get they
Speaker 2: paid a from doing The Child Born in Tennessee, but
Speaker 2: they wound up losing money on the deal because they
Speaker 2: got stiffed by whoever bought the film when it was
Speaker 2: when it was done, and they had to spend I
Speaker 2: think some money on a lawyer. So it was a
Speaker 2: net loss for them. It was something to do with
Speaker 2: like the film wasn't as long as what they they
Speaker 2: agreed to pay money for, so they didn't they didn't
Speaker 2: make as much. And you know, but the film.
Speaker 1: Okay, and the filming, most of the filming, the parties
Speaker 1: was all associated with Trump and the Trump Epstein just
Speaker 1: laying Panophile ring, different layers of parties.
Speaker 2: But it's a it's a whole bunch of people. It's
Speaker 2: just that from my childhood perspective, what I saw, what
Speaker 2: I thought that I saw, he was the big boss,
Speaker 2: Donald Donald Trump was the big boss. And then Epstein
Speaker 2: was like, like you said, like the manager or something.
Speaker 2: And then you had lower level people like my dad
Speaker 2: that kind of went out and found girls or coordinated,
Speaker 2: you know, at the ground level of things. Yeah, Epstein himself,
Speaker 2: he just sought out people like my dad that would
Speaker 2: fell you know, their adopted child, their actual child or whatever.
Speaker 2: So those are the different layers of people.
Speaker 1: But that Trump was involved in a lot of the planning, micromanaging, filming, certainly.
Speaker 2: The payouts, because I know that when I was offered
Speaker 2: to Trump, the the excitement that was in the house
Speaker 2: from Lynn particularly, was that this is going to be
Speaker 2: the big payday. You know, we have made it up
Speaker 2: to the highest level of this thing sort of so
Speaker 2: to speak, because they would they would sell me at
Speaker 2: a lower level to people that they knew, you know,
Speaker 2: not this is outside of the parties. But obviously they
Speaker 2: don't have the type of money that these rich folks have,
Speaker 2: so that wasn't really a big payday. And they were
Speaker 2: nervous about taking that kind of money because they were
Speaker 2: accepting this large amount of risks for a very really
Speaker 2: little amount of reward, and they were excited to make
Speaker 2: it to the level of Donald Trump, because I think
Speaker 2: the payday that they were supposed to get was twenty
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars. May have been another sum, but that's
Speaker 2: just the sum that I remember, and that may not
Speaker 2: sound like a lot, especially today, but for our h
Speaker 2: left standard of living, that would have been a fairly
Speaker 2: size of a chunk of money.
Speaker 1: M and you so, and we spoke about in terms
Speaker 1: of the years when you were about nine to ten
Speaker 1: years old, maybe eight years old until about thirteen, and
Speaker 1: most of the parties there were only three or four
Speaker 1: kids there, sometimes only you, yes, and the difference we have, yeah.
Speaker 2: And they would almost always have at least one girl there,
Speaker 2: so that I'm sure that the mentality of that would be,
Speaker 2: you know, have a boy or a girl to choose from.
Speaker 2: And there may have been children at these parties that
Speaker 2: were in attendance that I just didn't see because I
Speaker 2: was being abused, you know, in like a bedroom of
Speaker 2: the farmhouse or some other location, and there could have
Speaker 2: been more people there. I can't you know, I can't
Speaker 2: really say exactly that you get kind of just just
Speaker 2: from a standpoint of of the experience, you very much
Speaker 2: just kind of look lock onto your surroundings to try
Speaker 2: to stay alive. You know, you're looking at the person
Speaker 2: that you're having this encounter with, anything that you could
Speaker 2: potentially use for a weapon, escape point paths, and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Very much. You're in survival modes, so you
Speaker 2: tend to hyper focus on just what's immediately around you.
Speaker 2: So there may have been additional things going on, but
Speaker 2: I really wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 1: To those, Okay, okay. And we spoke about the average
Speaker 1: age was like nine or ten years old. In some cases.
Speaker 2: Lay adult prostitutes were there too, so the younger and
Speaker 2: is not and all the way up to you know,
Speaker 2: young ladies seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty year olds, you know.
Speaker 1: And did you ever see Andy Big sexually assault and
Speaker 1: torture anyone else?
Speaker 2: No? No, not that I can recall.
Speaker 1: No, And what about Jim Jordan.
Speaker 2: No, I remember him from that one instance. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that he wasn't an additional but I only remember
Speaker 2: him that there was, And I can remember a bunch
Speaker 2: of people being there, but to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: the rest of them just kind of kind of meld together,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean just a bunch of adults, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of a crowd of people. The ones that I
Speaker 2: focused on, the ones that I remember, are the ones
Speaker 2: that feared into my brain that this this person could
Speaker 2: kill me next time. Yeah, So I need, I need
Speaker 2: to remember this type of type of deal. And that's
Speaker 2: those three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Trump during all those years. Now, did
Speaker 1: you ever see Clarence Thomas more than once or Lindy Graham?
Speaker 2: I could have, but I only remembered Lindsay because his mannerisms,
Speaker 2: particularly when he's not in the public spotlight, are very effeminate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
Speaker 6: That stood out to me, and Clarence stood out to me.
Speaker 2: And I only remember them seeing them at one of
Speaker 2: those parties before anything happened. So I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: they were necessarily involved in abuse. They could have been.
Speaker 2: They could have even been involved in abuse that included me.
Speaker 6: I just can't swear to that, but he stood out
Speaker 6: because of.
Speaker 2: His mannerisms being so effeminate. I believe the people that
Speaker 2: I was around, my dad and whoever he was talking
Speaker 2: to at the time, joking and laughing about those manner
Speaker 2: And then I remember Clarence because he's a black man.
Speaker 2: Not only is he black man, but he's kind of
Speaker 2: a dark skinned black man. So in that group of people,
Speaker 2: he stood out a lot because, yeah, he was the
Speaker 2: only black guy.
Speaker 1: There, Okay. And then in terms of we talked about
Speaker 1: transportation plane, airplane, helicopter, automobile, you said there was usually
Speaker 1: only there weren't a lot of folks on the plane.
Speaker 1: Maybe sometimes three or four other kids. Sometimes you just
Speaker 1: do you whichever adults on the plane. When with the
Speaker 1: snuff movies, were any of those shot on the farm
Speaker 1: that you remember or those were you said were at
Speaker 1: different locations?
Speaker 2: Those were at different locations?
Speaker 1: And how many folks did you see killed in the
Speaker 1: snuff movies that you saw filmed.
Speaker 2: That that was filmed for sure, one hundred percent. I
Speaker 2: only remember that one. Now, if they filmed Patricia being shot,
Speaker 2: that would be too. But the other one was on
Speaker 2: on like what you would think of as a movie set,
Speaker 2: you know, probably just a warehouse, somebody's basement. I couldn't
Speaker 2: tell you the location, but it was. It wasn't just
Speaker 2: a handheld you know, VHS camporder. It was something on
Speaker 2: a tripod with lights and things like that. And we
Speaker 2: were having sex and somebody walked in and just shot
Speaker 2: her in the head. And I don't remember her name.
Speaker 1: So as a similar mos with Patricia.
Speaker 2: Yes, but there was no additional assault to me afterwards.
Speaker 2: But yes, it was similar to what happened there.
Speaker 6: Other than with Patricia.
Speaker 2: They busted in. It was, however, many of them. There
Speaker 2: was about half a dozen, and I had to stand
Speaker 2: there and watch, kind of like I had too with
Speaker 2: the puppies while they abused her first and then shot her.
Speaker 1: Did Patricia say anything to you before Patricia was shot?
Speaker 1: Do you remember anything? Did Patricia say anything all during
Speaker 1: the assault.
Speaker 2: I can remember her asking to just die, please just
Speaker 2: kill me. And I can remember telling Patricia because this
Speaker 2: is what Samantha had said to Sarah before Samantha shot her,
Speaker 2: was You're gonna come be with me now, I love you,
Speaker 2: and then she shot her. So I said the same thing.
Speaker 8: To Patricia, and then they shot her.
Speaker 1: There really aren't any English language words that convey you know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you found each other, that you found
Speaker 1: some way that you could find some sort of friendship
Speaker 1: and such heroine circumstances. I'm so sad, but you know,
Speaker 1: maybe just a.
Speaker 2: Sweet, sweet little girl, you know, And that's what these
Speaker 2: people are and this world is just not me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have a sense that that Trump and
Speaker 1: those perpetrators would specifically try to look for children they
Speaker 1: thought were really innocent to torture, like the puppies, like
Speaker 1: the more innocent they wanted to get more.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was about the the experience to them didn't
Speaker 2: seem to be all that sexual in nature. It was
Speaker 2: about taking a h bright, little energetic youth and then
Speaker 2: just destroying that person, even if not physically necessarily, but
Speaker 2: psychologically and emotionally like like to the point where they
Speaker 2: just really were traumatized for life.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That was that was what they seemed to enjoy doing.
Speaker 2: And my mother, Mary ben Riley, was of the exact
Speaker 2: same personality flaws that those rich people were, and as
Speaker 2: bad as my dad is and as far as human
Speaker 2: beings go, I would I would I would say that
Speaker 2: he's just about a failure in every way. He wasn't
Speaker 2: even that bad. There was just some semblance of conscious
Speaker 2: with him, Like I can remember at that party in
Speaker 2: him just about breaking down into tears because it was
Speaker 2: effecting emotionally to see me take that level of punishment
Speaker 2: or abuse or whatever. So Lynn would have. Lynn was
Speaker 2: a type of person. She would have smiled and laughed
Speaker 2: and had a really good time. That's who she was,
Speaker 2: and that's who Donald Trump is, and that's who any
Speaker 2: it is. Those three, those three are like the last
Speaker 2: level of human as far as depravity goes. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's there's nothing in the way of watching another person
Speaker 2: suffer that they didn't seem to enjoy would be the
Speaker 2: best way to put it.
Speaker 1: So would be similar sort of psychopathy as John wyn Gacy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if you can remember the Aanta was the
Speaker 2: first and maybe only person that Lynn got to kill,
Speaker 2: and I remember her being upset that she didn't get
Speaker 2: to be the one to kill her. H And that's
Speaker 2: the last part of what they used is leverage against me,
Speaker 2: and they had damaged her to the point where she
Speaker 2: was probably going to die anyway. But Samantha asked me,
Speaker 2: they threw her in the room. They had cut off
Speaker 2: one of her toes. She was she was not in
Speaker 2: a good way. I think that maybe they had broken
Speaker 2: her arm, but she was. She was suffering, and she
Speaker 2: asked me to choke her to death, and I did,
Speaker 2: and they used that. My parents used that as leverage
Speaker 2: against me for a period of time, telling me that
Speaker 2: I was the only one guilty of murder. So in
Speaker 2: my childhood brain, I thought that made sense. But I
Speaker 2: just did for Sammy what Samy kinda did for Sarah.
Speaker 1: That's how you were looking at. Okay, So let's just
Speaker 1: recap because that's important. I don't want that to give
Speaker 1: miss construed. So Samantha Sarah, Patricia, which one was African American? Again,
Speaker 1: Amantha Samantha. So Samantha was African American. And you're all
Speaker 1: tortured and trafficked by Trump and the Trump Epstein Pentophile ring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: brutally tortured. When Sarah was going to commit suicide, Sarah
Speaker 1: was afraid to pull the trigger, and Samantha pulled the trigger,
Speaker 1: and so that Samantha could die. Amanda was afraid to
Speaker 1: commit suicide. Samantha ask Sarah asked, Samantha Sarah asked to
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. And then when the room, Sarah.
Speaker 2: Had asked for me to be in the room too
Speaker 2: because she wanted we cared about each other. Me, Sarah, Samantha,
Speaker 2: and Patricia were all just like we kind of you know,
Speaker 2: three musketeers or whatever. We kind of stuck with each
Speaker 2: other because we did the best we could look out
Speaker 2: for one another. But she wanted me to be in
Speaker 2: the room too because she wanted to dive around the
Speaker 2: people that she loved. And at that point it was
Speaker 2: just me and Samantha. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: And that at the brothel again, well what was the kid? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that was at the brothel, okay, And so that's when
Speaker 1: Sarah died. And then they had to clean up, clean up.
Speaker 2: The adults came in and took the body, took Sarah's,
Speaker 2: but I remember Samantha and I had to use the
Speaker 2: you know for clean the solutions and clean up all
Speaker 2: the blood and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And then when Marie Lynn and William Kyle tortured Samantha
Speaker 1: almost to death, Samantha was going to die, and then
Speaker 1: Samantha asked you to kill Samantha. Similar that Sarah asked
Speaker 1: Samantha to kill Sarah.
Speaker 2: She showed me how to choke her and I didn't.
Speaker 1: What else did did she say?
Speaker 2: Samantha, Yeah, she.
Speaker 1: Just saved me, she said, to say save her.
Speaker 2: She made me promise to live life both of them.
Speaker 2: She made me promise that I would get through it.
Speaker 1: What do you think marie Lynn and William would have
Speaker 1: done to Samantha if Samantha couldn't have died.
Speaker 2: They just would have kept beating on her until she
Speaker 2: was dead. So a couple of weeks, probably a.
Speaker 1: Couple of weeks. So they tortured Samanta during a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, and then Samantha asked you to kill Samantha.
Speaker 1: Because Samantha didn't want to die getting tortured by William
Speaker 1: Kyle and Marie Lynn.
Speaker 2: She said, I can't go back in there. I can't
Speaker 2: do it again. Yeah, because they would. They had us
Speaker 2: locked in like a little storage room. Yeah, and they
Speaker 2: would pull us out one at a time and torture
Speaker 2: us and then throw us back in there together. And
Speaker 2: that last day they threw her back in there at night,
Speaker 2: and I can remember we stayed up almost all night
Speaker 2: talking yea. And I remember when day Bread kit. She said,
Speaker 2: I got You've got to do it. I can't. I can't. Basically,
Speaker 2: she could not face them again. And she knew that
Speaker 2: shortly after sunrise. You know my parents were young. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so when I filed the police report, I told them
Speaker 2: that same thing, so that the police report that was
Speaker 2: never followed up. You did that in lack And, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: In Oklahoma and so you talked when you talk to
Speaker 1: the police, he said, Samantha had asked you to kill
Speaker 1: Samantha because Samantha couldn't get bear getting tortured by your
Speaker 1: parents anymore. And you told the police, and the police
Speaker 1: never fold up. In Oklahoma, they I.
Speaker 2: Throwd out a whole report. I was recorded. I gave
Speaker 2: them the exact same story I'm telling you, and I
Speaker 2: never heard back from them. And I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I don't know how deep they dug. I don't know
Speaker 2: why that investigation stoleed. But at the conclusion of that,
Speaker 2: I felt as though law enforcement was not somebody that
Speaker 2: would do anything because I know that the investigations have
Speaker 2: to be somewhere. Yeah, my parents were investigated over and
Speaker 2: over and over again, particularly my dad, in three different states.
Speaker 1: Seems like there were some more different.
Speaker 2: States, more different states, because Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, and they
Speaker 2: tried to kill me in Florida. There was another investigation
Speaker 2: in that followed them back to Alabama.
Speaker 1: So you know, I have a question for you. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is specific regarding with Trump again, and I think
Speaker 1: it might help in terms of sort of just establishing something.
Speaker 1: When you kicked the the tent peg into Trump's anus,
Speaker 1: you said it tore Trump's backside open, anus open. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of gossip discussion about Donald Trump's being incontinent
Speaker 1: since several years ago. I remember some folks that worked
Speaker 1: on the television series The Apprentice. They said Donald Trump
Speaker 1: had to wear diapers and that I would.
Speaker 2: Bet it's because I ripped him open.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what That's what my senses is that
Speaker 1: some of the gossip has been, oh, Trump had used
Speaker 1: adderall Trump was incontinent because of drug use. But I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: and I do know that the truth, if that's if
Speaker 1: that's actually the reason Trump wears diapers, is a significant part.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you remember? I think I mean,
Speaker 1: can you describe what the injuries look like? Do you
Speaker 1: remember enough to describe?
Speaker 2: I just remember I remember the screen that he let
Speaker 2: out when I kicked him, and I remember back in
Speaker 2: a way, and it was I can't remember exactly what
Speaker 2: it looked like, but it wasn't just that he was hurt.
Speaker 2: He started while he was screaming, like his entire body
Speaker 2: was was in almost like a horseshoe where he was
Speaker 2: just vibrating or convulsing while he was just screaming. At
Speaker 2: the time, I remember his reaction being so loud that
Speaker 2: it scared me and I kind of backed away. But
Speaker 2: what the injury itself looked like, I can I can't
Speaker 2: really describe that because I in my mind, I thought
Speaker 2: that he was going.
Speaker 6: To die after so I just I like got as far.
Speaker 2: Away as I could, like in the corner, and as
Speaker 2: he's just the scream that he let out, I can
Speaker 2: remember that, just like a manshee. And then those people
Speaker 2: came in there, obviously knowing something was up from a
Speaker 2: pointing a gun at me. Anyway, they they they didn't
Speaker 2: beat me, they didn't do anything like that. They just
Speaker 2: showed him.
Speaker 6: Up, got him out of there, and then they tried
Speaker 6: to figure out.
Speaker 2: What would what had happened, And I know it. At
Speaker 2: one point I was just there was like a couple
Speaker 2: of guys on the gun on me, and there was
Speaker 2: some discussion. My dad was brought in and they they
Speaker 2: just let us go for that day. Nobody, nobody harmed
Speaker 2: us that day because they didn't really know what how
Speaker 2: they were going to handle it. They didn't know if
Speaker 2: Trump was going to die. He was fucked up. I mean,
Speaker 2: no doubt, h that's something that left the scar. There's
Speaker 2: there is no doubt in my mind that that left
Speaker 2: a permanent scar on him. No. And and as far
Speaker 2: as if it's possible that that's the reason that he's
Speaker 2: incognent today, it's very very much so. It wasn't in there.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a minor injury by any stretch of imagination.
Speaker 2: It was in my It was my best effort to
Speaker 2: kill him in the most horrible way that I could
Speaker 2: possibly do it. I just happened to fail.
Speaker 1: Well, you were twelve, and you've just seen Patricia tortured
Speaker 1: and raped and murdered. Trump premeditated the murder of Patricia
Speaker 1: to torture you, and then Trump tortured you extreme circumstances.
Speaker 1: You know, you you know, you experienced understandable rage that injustice,
Speaker 1: the most depraved sort of injustice.
Speaker 2: And as much as I am able to corroborate, I
Speaker 2: wish somebody would just offer my dad a deal, because
Speaker 2: he knows all of it. It would be worth him
Speaker 2: not going to jail, as far as I'm concerned, just
Speaker 2: to blow this whole thing open him because it's bad.
Speaker 2: If my dad is any malice that I might have
Speaker 2: towards him is superseded by the fact that the whole
Speaker 2: of the organization is even worse. Yeah, but that's just
Speaker 2: me talking to you. I mean, I understand you're not
Speaker 2: in that position. I'm not in that position, but that's
Speaker 2: just you know. I wonder how many other people are
Speaker 2: out there that are just like my dad. My dad
Speaker 2: was kind of like a I don't know, a recruiter.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know he I think he would go out
Speaker 2: and find runyways. But I can't. I can't say where
Speaker 2: those people got all of the other people. I know that.
Speaker 2: I don't know where Sarah came from. I know Samantha
Speaker 2: came from an abusive household, and she ran away when
Speaker 2: she was twelve or thirteen. I lived on the streets
Speaker 2: for a while and then wound up in that brothel
Speaker 2: and then wound up getting used in that whole ring.
Speaker 2: And Patricia had been in some similar circumstance where I
Speaker 2: think that she was adopted and used kind of like
Speaker 2: I was, but then she wound up on the street too,
Speaker 2: another runaway. But I don't know Sarah's background. I don't
Speaker 2: remember it.
Speaker 1: I think your dad was probably one of similar sort
Speaker 1: of recruiters they might have used in.
Speaker 9: Different locations or in terms of the core group of
Speaker 9: like those specific torture parties that might have tried to
Speaker 9: keep a quite tight rain on things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there anything else you want to talk about
Speaker 1: right now? I mean, I think I.
Speaker 2: Think I have. I have shared the bulk of what
Speaker 2: I remember vividly. You know, sometimes another detail or something
Speaker 2: that will pop up into my head, uh m hm.
Speaker 6: But you know, and I've.
Speaker 2: Spent years kind of trying to dissect all of this,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, over the number of years, about
Speaker 2: the last ten years, I've been just peeling back layer
Speaker 2: after later of this and as far as what I
Speaker 2: remember clearly, this is this is pretty much. Yet, you know,
Speaker 2: like I say, there were other instances of assaults, but
Speaker 2: I can't tell you who did what, when or where.
Speaker 2: And I can't play it to a specific individual outside
Speaker 2: of you know, my both of my parents assaulted me.
Speaker 2: Some of the other family members assaulted me. I can
Speaker 2: remember that. But as far as anybody else any importance,
Speaker 2: those five names that I've given are the only ones.
Speaker 2: The two that I that that that were there, and
Speaker 2: then the the the three and Jim and Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But there there were other people at those parties, and
Speaker 2: those people were important. I just can't point a finger
Speaker 2: at them and say for sure that person.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that at all. Right now, there's is,
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Honest with you, Seeing Clarence Thomas there really stood out.
Speaker 2: But what cemmenced that into my brain was the celebration
Speaker 2: that my dad had when he got confirmed onto the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court him how excited he was to have a
Speaker 2: person as high as the Supreme Court that was involved
Speaker 2: in all of it as sort of a buffer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, we could potentially have.
Speaker 2: John Roberts or Justice Alito, one of those guys in there. Potentially,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I can remember specifically how excited
Speaker 2: he was that, you know, this is a person in
Speaker 2: about the highest position possible. And I remember him thinking
Speaker 2: saying that that's a lifetime appointment. So do you remember
Speaker 2: for what that's worth?
Speaker 1: No, that's important, that's significant. Do you remember any female
Speaker 1: attendees at those parties, adult females.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it was not very common. Lynn went to
Speaker 2: one at least, and they were rare. Most of the
Speaker 2: women that were at these parties were escorts or children.
Speaker 6: So there were some.
Speaker 2: Adult escorts at some of the parties for sure, and
Speaker 2: then there were possibly before it got down to the
Speaker 2: smaller group of people at the end where they really
Speaker 2: did the more brutal, more heinous stuff. That was always
Speaker 2: just a bunch of them. I can't remember women being
Speaker 2: at a smaller circle other than other people being trafficked.
Speaker 2: I can't remember any women being.
Speaker 1: There besides Trump. Could you identify any of the rest
Speaker 1: of the men of those eight to ten men that
Speaker 1: were always in that tour in that the core torture group,
Speaker 1: if you saw the photos, he would be.
Speaker 2: The only one that that I could clearly say that
Speaker 2: this this person. The rest of them, uh, I didn't
Speaker 2: think they were going to kill me. Yeah, So they
Speaker 2: just kind of go into the memory bank of just
Speaker 2: something else bad, and I well, the only ones that
Speaker 2: I remember are the ones that that I thought were dangerous,
Speaker 2: and then Clarence because he's black, and then Lindsay just
Speaker 2: because of his mannerisms, and I remember more. I remember
Speaker 2: seeing him and observing his mannerisms. What I remember even
Speaker 2: more ish my dad and whoever he was with at
Speaker 2: the time kind of joking about those mannerisms. I can
Speaker 2: even remember somebody telling my dad to be careful because
Speaker 2: there were a lot of people at that party that
Speaker 2: were gay. So if you got caught like making fun
Speaker 2: of a rich person that was gay or at least
Speaker 2: had the mannerisms and demeanor of a gay person, that
Speaker 2: it might cause my dad problems, you know. So it
Speaker 2: was kind of yeah, we can kind of laugh and
Speaker 2: joke about this a little bit here, but you better
Speaker 2: be careful what you say around other people because a
Speaker 2: lot of these people are gay or at least have
Speaker 2: bisexual tendencies, and they may take offense to that. And
Speaker 2: these are people that my dad was not in a
Speaker 2: position to to offend they.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, Well, what I'm going to do. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get this recording here, this second recording and backups
Speaker 1: and so on, and then I'm just gonna spend the
Speaker 1: rest of Saturday quiet doing some peaceful things, which I
Speaker 1: highly suggest you do as well. Just whatever you like
Speaker 1: to do that you there, you go.
Speaker 2: It's not too hot outside. It was pretty hot yesterday,
Speaker 2: but that's that's not what I that's my meditation matter,
Speaker 2: the gym, and.
Speaker 10: Yeah, spend some time outdoors, okay, And then what I'll do,
Speaker 10: like I said already, I'd like to I'd like to
Speaker 10: just get the text messages we've.
Speaker 1: Got on the recordings, and I'm just going to figure
Speaker 1: out in terms of you know, you know, there's so
Speaker 1: there's two recordings now and I'm just going to figure out,
Speaker 1: like well, whether I might just upload to a specific
Speaker 1: drive and then I'm gonna look at this some of
Speaker 1: the in terms of the the logistics with their courtings,
Speaker 1: like like I said, like I'd like to just post
Speaker 1: them raw with a brief summary and you know, a
Speaker 1: totally different context. But a long time ago, I was
Speaker 1: speaking to some folks who are at NASA about climate
Speaker 1: crisis related and one of the women that I know
Speaker 1: at NASA was talking about all the data they were
Speaker 1: seeing and there was so much politicization of the data
Speaker 1: that Lynn was concerned that you know, it's going to
Speaker 1: be huge negative impact. Lynn's perspective in terms of climate
Speaker 1: crisis was, you know, in terms of survival of the
Speaker 1: human species. And we'd had some discussion about posting all
Speaker 1: of these data from all these different locations, the North
Speaker 1: Koreans Noorad just sort ofbody could look at the data
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, Holy Christ, what the heck is
Speaker 1: going on? And then it's like a bit more simple
Speaker 1: to try to get folks of different opinions belief systems
Speaker 1: to behave more unified. So slightly obviously what we're discussing
Speaker 1: is is quite different. But that's what's similar is, you know,
Speaker 1: the truth is being suppressed and very.
Speaker 2: Much it all comes back to greed, you know, and
Speaker 2: these people have this this this defect in their their
Speaker 2: soul or personality or whatever you want to say, and
Speaker 2: they're denying the climate crisis for the sake of money,
Speaker 2: and they're denying the pedophile ring because the rich people
Speaker 2: that are involved in it want it to continue. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just a level of corruption that that seems to permeate.
Speaker 2: I don't know, in almost every direction. It's not everybody
Speaker 2: who is corrupt or most certainly the average person I
Speaker 2: would think would be.
Speaker 6: Uh, very much against all of this, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not enough people in key positions to prevent it
Speaker 2: from happening. And that's yeah, And you know, to be
Speaker 2: honest with these to some degree, it feels like the
Speaker 2: Democrats are just are are just part of theater. You know.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden had four years to to kind of do
Speaker 2: some things, and it seemed like like as far as
Speaker 2: policy went, you know, it seemed like some things were
Speaker 2: going in the right direction.
Speaker 6: But where were the where were where.
Speaker 2: Was the the the uh the urgency with the guy
Speaker 2: that tried to inside a coup. Well, they feel like
Speaker 2: they're just they're just playing ah almost amatives, you know.
Speaker 1: No, I understand. I think, yeah, I think Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: Biden was trying to do the right thing. And there's
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of folks Republicans that are involved in
Speaker 1: the pedophile ring and have compliment against them, and perhaps
Speaker 1: some Democrats, and I think I think it's one of
Speaker 1: those situations where you know, Biden had more information, There's
Speaker 1: a lot more Biden would have done, So there's obviously
Speaker 1: being some collusion about the information that everyone's getting. And
Speaker 1: I think what you were speaking what you're you know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about in terms of the parties and
Speaker 1: how the parties seem to be presented. You know, folks
Speaker 1: that were engaged in some level of criminal behavior that
Speaker 1: wasn't the extreme criminal behavior of those that were torturing
Speaker 1: and murdering kids, and so they were all trying to
Speaker 1: play it all off against them auscole. These different folks
Speaker 1: had compromats, say on drug use or some sex acts
Speaker 1: they didn't want publicized, but they didn't know about the torturing.
Speaker 1: So a lot of collusion. But there are decent folks,
Speaker 1: and there are decent folks that are trying to do
Speaker 1: the right thing. And I'll get these audio files, I'll
Speaker 1: get them looked at, I'll get them uploaded, I'll write
Speaker 1: a little summary. I'm sort of simmering about, you know,
Speaker 1: just some of the logistics in terms of the file size,
Speaker 1: the right location, where I'm comfortable with the files being
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I say, I've already looked in terms
Speaker 1: of some contacts at the HOG. One of the things
Speaker 1: with the HOG is the United States isn't part of
Speaker 1: the international you know, the criminal court system anymore. But
Speaker 1: I know how can still be presented because it is
Speaker 1: international security issue considering Trump's wreaking this sort of havoc. Now,
Speaker 1: Trump's attempting to wreak havoc on all sorts of folks
Speaker 1: in all sorts of countries regarding tariffs and all sorts
Speaker 1: of nonsense. And is it the exact demo you described
Speaker 1: with the puppies and with Patricia So does seems.
Speaker 2: To to enjoy watching the the the act of suffering
Speaker 2: play out, Yeah, in almost any venue that he has
Speaker 2: any part of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now we know immigrations and detentions, disappearances in
Speaker 1: the United States again it's similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I just if if if
Speaker 2: one thing that's good for this country, it will be
Speaker 2: by being such a future human being, he will maybe
Speaker 2: expose much of the corruption around him. And that is
Speaker 2: my only hope for him, other than that he's there's
Speaker 2: no positive person purpose to mankind. But if his level
Speaker 2: of mouth seasons somehow segues into the the exposing of
Speaker 2: the misdeeds of some really bad people around him, that'll
Speaker 2: be the only good thing.
Speaker 1: He's ever done.
Speaker 2: That's just my opinion. But I just I have watched
Speaker 2: this presidency closer than any other because of my past,
Speaker 2: and good God, everything he touched turns to ship And
Speaker 2: it seems to be that he turns it to shit
Speaker 2: in the most callous and and and and and horrible
Speaker 2: way possible for as many people as he can make
Speaker 2: it that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's it's incredible to me that so many
Speaker 2: people are on board with the suffering of others, and
Speaker 2: it seems to be the the almost the selling point.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I can remember discussing with somebody the other day.
Speaker 2: I don't care if somebody's here legally or illegally.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, that's still a.
Speaker 2: Human being that we're talking about. Now, if this person
Speaker 2: is gone and and murdered people or or or done
Speaker 2: something like that, well then they should answer for it.
Speaker 2: But every person deserves due process, every person. And that's
Speaker 2: the way the Constitution is written. That was one thing
Speaker 2: that all nine Supreme Court justice has even agreed on,
Speaker 2: is that everybody should get due process.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so the fact that he is denying people that
Speaker 2: and trying to convince the masses that certain people do
Speaker 2: not deserve due process is just alarming to a degree
Speaker 2: that it actually is shocking to me that it just
Speaker 2: it isn't a line in the sand for every body.
Speaker 2: I don't understand the reasoning behind some people thinking that
Speaker 2: that because your skin's brown, you don't deserve due process,
Speaker 2: or because you cross the border here, which is essentially
Speaker 2: a civil matter, a speeding ticket type of violation. You
Speaker 2: know that somehow now that person deserves to suffer to
Speaker 2: death on.
Speaker 1: Such a subject, something that I'm simmering with. In terms
Speaker 1: of timing of publishing the files. You know, there's on
Speaker 1: one hand, I want to publish sooner than later. But
Speaker 1: one of my siblings is traveling to the United States
Speaker 1: this week and I told her not to travel. I
Speaker 1: said it was quite urgent not to travel, and she
Speaker 1: just hasn't read a lot of information there. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: And so what I'm thinking, what I'm looking at in
Speaker 1: terms of just especially since we've you know, our discussion today,
Speaker 1: I don't I need to confirm when my sister's traveling
Speaker 1: and her husband when they're back in Canada, and I
Speaker 1: would want to make sure they're back in Canada before
Speaker 1: I post the audio file, just in case I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't blame it, you know, because I just don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those things, you know. I
Speaker 1: just I want to make sure you're in a safe location.
Speaker 1: I want to I have a friend who's retired. He's American.
Speaker 1: He's worked as a defense attorney, but he lives in
Speaker 1: Canada now at least half the year, and he hates Trump.
Speaker 1: And I got a call in to him. He was
Speaker 1: a defense attorney the United States, and I want to
Speaker 1: run through some things with him, see if he has
Speaker 1: some suggestions, just in terms of preparation, in terms of
Speaker 1: you know, so we're okay, so if there's a degage press,
Speaker 1: maybe it will get maybe folks will ignore, maybe there'll
Speaker 1: be a bunch of press contexts. I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure there's a bit in terms of preparation there. So,
Speaker 1: but it is really urgent, I know, sooner than later.
Speaker 1: So let's just you know, go step by step.
Speaker 2: Okay, Absolutely, I'll look forward to hearing back from you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there is one other entity that.
Speaker 6: Is right now going through some flight.
Speaker 2: Logs and and I think they're going to schedule talking
Speaker 2: to me tomorrow. I think it's the day that they had.
Speaker 2: So they are looking for my name and my dad's
Speaker 2: name in different itineraries to try to piece it together
Speaker 2: from a different angle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who are the folks you're speaking to there?
Speaker 2: There? I have the name on there. I don't have
Speaker 2: it on the top of my head. Hold on the
Speaker 2: centem An email. Look at my email the Crustian and Daily.
Speaker 2: I see the list.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's right. So they're looking through there. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: don't when you speak to them, maybe just tell them
Speaker 1: that don't mention my name, but just say you're speaking
Speaker 1: to someone that's helping them with that's helping you in
Speaker 1: terms of court related, affidavit related and that that that
Speaker 1: I'm planning on publishing some discussions with us imminently, and
Speaker 1: if they would, you know, I just want to, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that it doesn't get the
Speaker 1: muddy the waters don't get muddied inadvertently. I I actually
Speaker 1: follow them on social media and I I like what
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're trying to get compilations and all
Speaker 1: the ice agents and everything. So that's great. But I
Speaker 1: would appreciate just from a and just a bit more
Speaker 1: In terms of my background, I spent lots of time
Speaker 1: advising folks on a whole range of subjects, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, have a very specific approach in regards to
Speaker 1: law enforcement. That's sort of Clark. I'm sort of Clark
Speaker 1: Kent camouflaged. And so when I look at what I'm
Speaker 1: looking at, it's really about what's truly the right thing
Speaker 1: that's really going to truly help ensure there's justice, and
Speaker 1: I mean like true justice. So if you would, if
Speaker 1: anybody from any journalistic outlet tries to contact you for
Speaker 1: interviews or anything, I would appreciate if you would just
Speaker 1: decline until we can get this published, cause I think
Speaker 1: that's going to really help in terms of what we
Speaker 1: can of what's the most important to get out of
Speaker 1: what we've covered raw, because journalists are going to try
Speaker 1: and edit, and there's just we don't we have to
Speaker 1: be careful about who's on side and who isn't. So right, So,
Speaker 1: and I'd like to speak to some folks that you
Speaker 1: know with the human rights organizations, maybe even try to
Speaker 1: get something into the ICC before you know, again, sooner
Speaker 1: than later. And so yeah, so talk to the folks
Speaker 1: at the Krustian tomorrow, but please don't agree to any
Speaker 1: sort of journalistic interviews with them or anyone else until
Speaker 1: we get these audio files published. Okay, Okay, awesome and
Speaker 1: contact me anytime anything comes up. Okay, I want you
Speaker 1: to know that you know, I'm a fierce warrior myself.
Speaker 2: So I believe I have died ahead and relate the
Speaker 2: the bulk of what I truly remember clearly. But if
Speaker 2: some detail should come up that I that I remember
Speaker 2: after the fact that I think it's pertinent, I'll just
Speaker 2: shooting a text or a message. Yeah, And I feel
Speaker 2: like I've been as thorough as I can without you know,
Speaker 2: had living. You know, I have my thoughts on the
Speaker 2: matter as well, but I'm just trying to relate to
Speaker 2: those things that that that I clearly remember, and that
Speaker 2: unfortunately is just the the small amount that I have
Speaker 2: told you. You know, there's much more to it. It's
Speaker 2: just that those details are so muddy that all I
Speaker 2: can say is there's just a substantial amount more abuse
Speaker 2: that I can't pinpoint and be specific about.
Speaker 1: So no, I understand, and then you know again, we'll
Speaker 1: just I'd like to still like to look, we've got
Speaker 1: these files. I probably in terms of the one file,
Speaker 1: I'll probably shorten the length just of the five minutes
Speaker 1: where we talk about, you know, carefulness in terms of
Speaker 1: journalists and stuff and my sister traveling just for safety reason.
Speaker 1: So I'll just cut the one file short. But then
Speaker 1: for sure I'd like to look at, you know, another
Speaker 1: interview where we talk about some of the details that
Speaker 1: are fuzzy and everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Today is July nineteenth, twenty twenty five, and continuing with
Speaker 1: interviews from tomorrow, I mean from tomorrow. Today is July nineteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Oh, July twentieth, My goodness, gracious, since
Speaker 1: it is so yeah, today is July twentieth, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: and we're continuing with interviews from yesterday during July nineteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, and I wanted to just recap what
Speaker 1: we had spoken about about the girls. So there was
Speaker 1: ten to twelve films, one snuff film we spoke about
Speaker 1: yesterday converse, but yesterday there's one more circumstance similar where
Speaker 1: you were there when the girls girls were killed after
Speaker 1: the filming. There were at least two girls that were killed.
Speaker 1: Was the same moo. They were shot in the head.
Speaker 2: I didn't witness that. The aid man, I didn't know
Speaker 2: that it was coming. We completed filming. Then the girls
Speaker 2: they said, hey, you know y'all come with us, you know,
Speaker 2: you helped pack up the equipment or clean up or
Speaker 2: do something, you know, in reference to me. And there
Speaker 2: there was another person in there with me besides the girls,
Speaker 2: and I could hear a gunshot, but I didn't. I
Speaker 2: wasn't witnessed to it. It was outside. And I can
Speaker 2: remember the other person saying, just focus on what we've
Speaker 2: got to do. That's that's not us or not you
Speaker 2: or whatever like that. So you know, I can remember
Speaker 2: wondering if my if it was going to be my
Speaker 2: turn next or whatever. But you know, as far as
Speaker 2: you know, witnessing it or anything, or knowing what happened
Speaker 2: after or how they you know, disposed of them, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know any of that.
Speaker 1: And you said you thought they were silencing the girls,
Speaker 1: and the girls were under thirteen.
Speaker 2: Well, the in the Brothels, Samantha had talked about that
Speaker 2: they only used the girls for a certain amount of.
Speaker 6: Time because after a period of time.
Speaker 2: Where they kind of became cognizant that they weren't going
Speaker 2: to really ever rise above that because the way that
Speaker 2: they would sell it to the girls is, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to clean you up and make you beautiful,
Speaker 2: and you'll be around these rich people, and you know
Speaker 2: they like young women. So if you can be what
Speaker 2: they want, then perhaps, you know, you'll go off and
Speaker 2: live in a mansion with one of these rich people.
Speaker 2: But that facade or that lie or whatever only survives
Speaker 2: for so long because they're horribly abused and things like that,
Speaker 2: and after a period of time, they just kind of
Speaker 2: become aware that this is their station in life. They're
Speaker 2: never going to be I guess the arm candy of
Speaker 2: one of those rich people flying on their jets, you know.
Speaker 2: And the way that Samantha described it is once they
Speaker 2: get to that level of consciousness, they have they have
Speaker 2: passed their expiration day. So they would only use the
Speaker 2: girls for a certain amount of time, and you know,
Speaker 2: they were either recruiting or finding. I don't know how
Speaker 2: they got the goods, you know, but I can remember
Speaker 2: even in the brief period of time that I was there,
Speaker 2: because I wasn't there for more longer than just a
Speaker 2: few months, you know, maybe even maybe even just like
Speaker 2: a couple of months. But even in that small period
Speaker 2: of time, I saw one, two, three, four, five people.
Speaker 1: Killed five killed during two months.
Speaker 2: Ye yes, I saw Sarah guy. She was there when
Speaker 2: I was there when she died. Samantha killed another one
Speaker 2: of the girls that was that was that. I think
Speaker 2: she just killed her because she kept causing problems, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you. And then the two which I
Speaker 2: believe it was two. It might have been one. It
Speaker 2: could have been three. I wouldn't swear you know on
Speaker 2: the number, but I believe it was two. And that
Speaker 2: one shoot. And then the one girl that was killed
Speaker 2: during the filming, it was she was killed on phil
Speaker 2: while the while the.
Speaker 1: Cameras were yeah, and then Sarah was committing suicide. You
Speaker 1: said yes, yes, Patricia to terrorized you. Yes, So those
Speaker 1: were additional killings on top of the five during the
Speaker 1: two months.
Speaker 2: Is that well, let me let me count again. So yes, Sarah,
Speaker 2: the two, oh, there's another one that I saw killed two.
Speaker 1: So Sarah, which was sort of more of a suicide.
Speaker 1: Would but then Samantha pulled the trigger right.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay. And then one other time where one of
Speaker 2: the girls was executed in the brothel and that was
Speaker 2: in front of all of us.
Speaker 1: So one of the girls was executed in the brothel,
Speaker 1: and did you see that Samantha did the execution, Did
Speaker 1: they force Samantha to do the execution or not.
Speaker 2: Two separate instances. The one girl that was executed, I
Speaker 2: did not know her. I don't know if i'd ever
Speaker 2: even hardly spoken to her, but she was killed as
Speaker 2: some sort of retaliation. Somebody was beating Samantha and I
Speaker 2: got involved in it. And again it was one of
Speaker 2: those people that you couldn't touch. So they came and
Speaker 2: they didn't kill me. They didn't kill Samantha. They killed
Speaker 2: this other girl. And I don't even think she had
Speaker 2: anything to do with it.
Speaker 1: And was that the one in the brothel.
Speaker 2: That was one of the ones in the brothel? Yes,
Speaker 2: And that Samantha killed this other girl just because she
Speaker 2: she had beat up one of the other girls, and
Speaker 2: she kept feeling stuff and she kept like trying to
Speaker 2: cause problems with the people running it, and she just
Speaker 2: she murdered her. Okay, So that was even separate of
Speaker 2: all of that. So and you know, I know, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of more and more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suspect you'll think of a lot of them.
Speaker 2: All of these things are kind of compartmentalized. A little bit.
Speaker 10: Something happen, you know, Yeah, it's okay, Well, what I understand.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's there's a lot.
Speaker 2: You've been through a.
Speaker 1: Lot, and you're trying to diligently remember and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, remembering you'll probably remember a lot more. And
Speaker 1: you know how I'm making sure is comfortable, you know,
Speaker 1: so as you know. So, so there was during the
Speaker 1: two months, there was at least five girls killed, and
Speaker 1: the killings were all related to the Trump Epstein pedophile ring.
Speaker 1: There was execution snuff film silencing the girls.
Speaker 2: Now, at that brothel, I never saw anybody except this
Speaker 2: big belly hillbilly that ran it. Yeah, and then one
Speaker 2: other I don't know if you call it some some
Speaker 2: mobster that was the one that came in and shot
Speaker 2: the kind of terrorized all of us, pointed together at
Speaker 2: all of us, and then just shot kind of one
Speaker 2: girl at random.
Speaker 1: Okay, So a mobster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't I have no idea who he was.
Speaker 2: Just some older guy, you know, gray hair, pinky ring
Speaker 2: type person, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when the two girls were killed after the filming,
Speaker 1: tell me again, what what the other individual said to you?
Speaker 1: That you're good, they won't kill you. Boys are hard
Speaker 1: to find me.
Speaker 2: Like I was working, maybe packing up stuff or cleaning
Speaker 2: or I don't remember exactly what I was doing, but
Speaker 2: I remember that. I want to say. We were breaking
Speaker 2: down the stuff that they had used to film it,
Speaker 2: and when I heard the gun shot, you know, I
Speaker 2: stopped working. And the guy was basically to the effect of,
Speaker 2: this doesn't concern you. Just focus on what you're doing,
Speaker 2: you know. So I just I kept doing whatever it
Speaker 2: was I was feeling.
Speaker 1: And he said boys are hard, boys are hard to find.
Speaker 2: You're you're good boys. He said, you're good. Girls are
Speaker 2: a diamond dozen boys are hard to find. Something like that.
Speaker 2: That may not have been the exact words, but it
Speaker 2: was something to that effect. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like in the case with the trump
Speaker 1: Epstein ring, in terms of whoever they thought was expendable disposable.
Speaker 2: The girls.
Speaker 1: That were under the ages of thirteen years old that
Speaker 1: were considered, would you say it was more about were
Speaker 1: they financially poor, did they and they would just dispose
Speaker 1: of them as they got older more aware?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yes, once kind of the gig was up,
Speaker 2: where they they they knew that the lives that they
Speaker 2: were being told weren't ever going to materialize, that that
Speaker 2: they they that no matter what they did for these
Speaker 2: rich people, they were just being used. Yeah, they didn't
Speaker 2: want them around to kind of spoil the ones that
Speaker 2: still believed in the narrative, because the the structure of
Speaker 2: that was try to try to get the girls to
Speaker 2: be enthusiastic, willing participants, you know, for these rich people,
Speaker 2: and once they had reached a certain level of trauma,
Speaker 2: then there were they Then they just kind of had
Speaker 2: no use for them.
Speaker 1: Okay. So from your experience, all the girls that you
Speaker 1: were exposed to during those particular two months, they all died.
Speaker 2: Yes, all of the ones that I made any kind
Speaker 2: of a closer connection with, they all died. Now I
Speaker 2: may have had there's not even any made to it.
Speaker 2: I had connections with more people that I don't have
Speaker 2: didn't make as much of a.
Speaker 6: Concrete memory with.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't tell you what what transpired after, you know,
Speaker 2: the two months that I was there, or if they
Speaker 2: some of them made it or you know, ran away
Speaker 2: or escaped, or I have no idea what happened to
Speaker 2: the rest.
Speaker 1: And was that that were always specifically except that was
Speaker 1: specifically when you were at the brothel during those two months, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: And when you first met Trump you were about eight
Speaker 1: or nine, and then your last the last incident with Trump,
Speaker 1: you said was when you were twelve or thirteen. That's correct.
Speaker 2: As far as I know. I wouldn't swear it could
Speaker 2: have been a more compressed time frame, say nine to
Speaker 2: just eleven. But within those years are all that I remember,
Speaker 2: A round eight to probably twelve or thirteen. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: there's a chance that it ended even before that the
Speaker 2: thirteen year mark, but it would definitely be within that
Speaker 2: time period because beyond that, my life kind of changed
Speaker 2: a little bit, and there wasn't after that incident with
Speaker 2: Andy Biggs, I do not have any recollection of either
Speaker 2: being abused by anyone outside of the family or any
Speaker 2: of those rich people. I had no more connection with
Speaker 2: any of that moving forward that I can recall.
Speaker 1: Okay, and did where did you go then? After that
Speaker 1: period of time? Were you still with Marie Lynn and
Speaker 1: William Kyle.
Speaker 2: Or Okay? So after Tennessee, after the films, Yeah, when
Speaker 2: we moved to Alabama, there was a a and I
Speaker 2: couldn't even tell you for how long, but there was
Speaker 2: a period of time where I was taken away from them,
Speaker 2: placed into some sort of foster care, but I am eventually,
Speaker 2: once the investigations into their activity theatered out, I I
Speaker 2: eventually made my way back into their house.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, is there anything else you think would be
Speaker 1: helpful for us to converse about during during this recording?
Speaker 2: Not that I'm not that I'm remembering at this time,
Speaker 2: you know, even even some of this in my own mind,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you which thing happened before the other thing.
Speaker 2: I haven't, you know, like some of it's chronological in
Speaker 2: my memory, but I can't tell you. I am pretty
Speaker 2: sure we still lived in Tennessee when they sent me
Speaker 2: to the brothel, and that's where I'm at, Samantha. That's
Speaker 2: where I met Patricia and Sarah. Sarah died at the bottles.
Speaker 2: I never saw obviously her again, but then Patricia I saw.
Speaker 2: It would have been months, a year later or whatever
Speaker 2: at that party. Samantha was already dead at that point.
Speaker 2: So and then Patricia died.
Speaker 1: At that party, so Samantha that was it.
Speaker 2: I can just dead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So Samantha was already dead, Sipsa died and then Samantha
Speaker 1: and then Patricia.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, and I can. I can't because I could
Speaker 2: just remember when Patricia died, I can't kind of changed
Speaker 2: something inside of me, and in that, in my mind,
Speaker 2: I had just kind of lost my only friend or
Speaker 2: my last remaining friend, and in my reasoning, there's no
Speaker 2: one left but me, meaning that the next person they're
Speaker 2: going to kill is me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like in terms of extremity of malevolent psychopathics, sadistic.
Speaker 1: So they shot Patrician the Torso first. And do you
Speaker 1: remember the description of the I don't even gonna call
Speaker 1: him a gentleman, the gentleman who was like shuffling on
Speaker 1: his feet and was uncomfortable about how much Prussia was
Speaker 1: suffering getting tortured.
Speaker 2: I wish I could give you a better description. But
Speaker 2: just five or six pot bellied hillbillies, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of you if you looked at older pictures of my dad,
Speaker 2: they just kind of looked like him. Just larger, thick people,
Speaker 2: not necessarily fat, not necessarily what you would think of
Speaker 2: as like a yeah, a country boy, a big country boy,
Speaker 2: you know, beards and a little.
Speaker 11: Bit of hair, you know, yeah, just thick five foot
Speaker 11: ten to six foot one, you know, bigger two thirty five.
Speaker 2: Pound guys. So just larger country boys. And I couldn't
Speaker 2: even tell you like they're they're facial features or anything
Speaker 2: like that. I just I can remember at least some
Speaker 2: had facial hair, beards, mustaches, that sort of thing, and
Speaker 2: just larger people dressed in what you would consider just
Speaker 2: kind of country music type of attire. Yeah, blues and
Speaker 2: blue jeans and you know, button up cowboy type shirts. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they that's what all of them look like.
Speaker 1: Okay, so when they they had guns, you said you
Speaker 1: remembered one, and then two or three, maybe four of
Speaker 1: them had guns. One of them shot Patricia in the chest.
Speaker 1: They tortured and raped Patricia. The one hill billy was
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and said just ended to kill Patricia. But they
Speaker 1: how long did they continue torturing Patricia before they shot Patricia?
Speaker 2: And they had if I had to guess, I'd say
Speaker 2: probably in the realm of thirty minutes or so te minutes.
Speaker 2: I can remember that that one or more of them
Speaker 2: raped her. Not everybody wanted to participate in that. And
Speaker 2: then the one guy just seemed of those people, one
Speaker 2: only one person really seemed exceptionally uncomfortable about the whole
Speaker 2: thing and didn't want to be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Patricia said, Patricia wanted to die. That was
Speaker 1: what you remember Pricia saying to you, to kill Patricia.
Speaker 1: That Patricia, they.
Speaker 2: Had beaten her like I don't know if all of
Speaker 2: them had beaten her, but one of them beat her
Speaker 2: hit her really hard in like the ribs and things
Speaker 2: like that. She was out in trouble, breathing, and I,
Speaker 2: in my estimation, I think she already knew that they
Speaker 2: were going to kill her, and she just said, please
Speaker 2: just kill me, something to that effect. And I can
Speaker 2: remember looking at her and saying, baby, you're gonna come
Speaker 2: be with me right now. And she looked at me
Speaker 2: and she smiled, and I said, I love you. And
Speaker 2: one of them shot her, and she was having trouble.
Speaker 2: I said, just look at me, don't look at them.
Speaker 2: And the other guy he was he was breaking down.
Speaker 2: That guy that I'm telling you was shuffling on his seat.
Speaker 2: He said, I mean he got a little upset or
Speaker 2: agitated or something and said, just fucking ended or just
Speaker 2: shoot her in the fucking head. Whatever he said, because
Speaker 2: he was he was not enjoying it like the guy
Speaker 2: that was doing the I guess you'd just call it torture.
Speaker 2: So after that he shot her in the head, and
Speaker 2: then I can remember them arguing, well, why did you
Speaker 2: shoot her there, because now we have to find another mattress,
Speaker 2: you know, you fucking idiot or whatever you called it.
Speaker 2: And you know, the way that those people talking is like,
Speaker 2: you know, shut your mouth, or would give her the
Speaker 2: two bodies or something. You know. Uh, that may not
Speaker 2: have been the exact conversation, but that was the mood
Speaker 2: of it and kind of the information that was getting
Speaker 2: a passed back, you know. And then they wrapped her
Speaker 2: up in a sheet took her out, and then I
Speaker 2: think there was some discussion as to whether or not
Speaker 2: they could just put a sheet over the mattress, but
Speaker 2: there was obviously there was blood on it, and they
Speaker 2: said no, So they rolled up the mattress or or
Speaker 2: did whatever they they did with the mattress and went
Speaker 2: and found another one. And that's how that went. It
Speaker 2: was just it wasn't a big bed. It wasn't like
Speaker 2: a queen's size bed the way I remembered. It was
Speaker 2: just like a twin bed.
Speaker 1: And then Trump came in the room. Yes, now, in
Speaker 1: terms of you said you didn't remember if there was
Speaker 1: any cameras, there was was Patricia getting killed film? Do
Speaker 1: you remember seeing any cameras at all?
Speaker 2: I do not remember seeing any cameras at that time.
Speaker 2: Do you if there was a way to record it?
Speaker 2: There wasn't any. We went into that room alone, not
Speaker 2: knowing that you know, it was going to get interrupted. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and so there were no cameras or anything that we
Speaker 2: were Unless there was some sort of a mirror to
Speaker 2: aavior and something set up behind it, that's possible that
Speaker 2: it was. It was being filmed without our knowledge, but no,
Speaker 2: as far as do I know that, if there was
Speaker 2: any any way to record that, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Do you remember whether there was any.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm sorry. Lot From a from a logic perspective,
Speaker 2: I don't think it would have been recorded because those
Speaker 2: those six people were in that room too, So five six, four,
Speaker 2: however many was I think it was five or six
Speaker 2: They would have been in the It wasn't a particularly
Speaker 2: big room. It wasn't like a main room. It was
Speaker 2: like a guest room with a you know, an individual bed.
Speaker 2: So in my mind, I would doubt that that was
Speaker 2: filmed because it would have had those people that murdered
Speaker 2: her on in the in the frame two. Whereas when
Speaker 2: they shot that girl, uh, in that separate instance in
Speaker 2: the in the film shoot, you know, the cameras were
Speaker 2: pointing to us in the bed and then the person
Speaker 2: came in and shot her from like you couldn't see
Speaker 2: the person shooting from the person who fired the shot
Speaker 2: from the film there. You just know she got shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in the room, was there somewhere where there
Speaker 1: might have been a people.
Speaker 2: There could have been there, I mean, that's possible if
Speaker 2: if somebody was just watching, like maybe even Trump himself,
Speaker 2: Like he wasn't there for any of that initial part.
Speaker 2: He just came in after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you said your sense what they had said,
Speaker 1: what they tried to convey to you, is that they
Speaker 1: knew Trump was coming in the room after like Trump
Speaker 1: had hired them to.
Speaker 2: Yes, wanted the gun at me and said, there's gonna
Speaker 2: be an old boy comes in here, and you know,
Speaker 2: real southern drawl, there's gonna be an old boy comes
Speaker 2: in here. You're gonna do whatever he says, or I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put a bullet in you two. And he called
Speaker 2: me something little hillbilly fuck or whatever whatever he called.
Speaker 2: And that was the one that had killed patrician, and
Speaker 2: he was smiling, so it wasn't he wasn't trying. And
Speaker 2: you know, I just remember how much pleasure he took
Speaker 2: in in the kind of the horror of the situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm trying to just get a sense in
Speaker 1: terms of because seems obviously that that obviously they knew
Speaker 1: about Trump, that Trump wouldn't just like stand in the
Speaker 1: hallway and cool, cool as heels. It's the sort of
Speaker 1: situation from what you've described what I know of what
Speaker 1: I know Trump, that Trump would have wanted to hear
Speaker 1: what was going on or watch.
Speaker 2: That's possible, I can't remember the exact layout of the room.
Speaker 1: Or Trump wanted yeah, or Trump just wanted you terrorized.
Speaker 1: When Trump came into the room later.
Speaker 2: It definitely wanted me afraid, there's no doubt about And
Speaker 2: if that was to do with his desire to make
Speaker 2: the experience is horrible for me as possible, or whether
Speaker 2: that was from his psyche to give him some protection,
Speaker 2: because I was kind of already known I think at
Speaker 2: that point as being somebody that would fight back to
Speaker 2: the best of my ability, you know, So it could
Speaker 2: have been either either circumstance, but it was It was
Speaker 2: definitely to shock, traumatize and make me more pliable, I guess,
Speaker 2: in terms of acquiescing to whatever he wanted to do.
Speaker 2: And I can just remember thinking, I'm gonna kill this
Speaker 2: some bitch if I can, just if I can just
Speaker 2: get an opportunity. You know, I'm a child at this point,
Speaker 2: but you know, around we'll say, twelve years old, so
Speaker 2: he is a much larger person than I am. And
Speaker 2: of course forty years ago he wasn't feeble, So you know,
Speaker 2: I was looking for that vulnerable point where I could
Speaker 2: try to kill him.
Speaker 1: You know, well, that's again, that's that's understandable context. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know, policy legislation, law for
Speaker 1: country where you know that that's a situation, extreme circumstances
Speaker 1: when you're you're acting in self defense. You had no
Speaker 1: idea at that point whether they might just come in
Speaker 1: and kill you right after they'd said if he didn't
Speaker 1: do what they called trump the old an old boy.
Speaker 1: The old boy wanted that they shoot you in the
Speaker 1: head as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they never they never said his name, I
Speaker 2: can tell you that, but I recognized him, and then
Speaker 2: I didn't see him until a number of years later
Speaker 2: on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you remember that with Robin Leech, but I saw
Speaker 2: Trump on one of those episodes, and I, you know,
Speaker 2: that's I knew that was him. So at that time
Speaker 2: I did not know that this is Donald Trump. It's
Speaker 2: just later when I saw him on the Lifestyles of
Speaker 2: the Rich and Famous, and I said, well, I know
Speaker 2: that rich asshole. You know, because in my mind I
Speaker 2: even as a child, you know, they present on TV.
Speaker 2: You know, these these rich people being you know, something
Speaker 2: that you want to be. But from my experience human
Speaker 2: beings on planet Earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know there are folks that are financially wealthy.
Speaker 1: Aren't just utterly horrifyingly malevolent?
Speaker 2: You sure, my adult me knows, who knows that?
Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot. You encountered the worst of the worst,
Speaker 1: without question.
Speaker 2: I am hopeful, though, that they have already made one connection,
Speaker 2: and if they do any more digging, all they're going
Speaker 2: to do is find more connections. Because my dad has
Speaker 2: been involved in that sort of activity since at least
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, you know, at least and probably even a
Speaker 2: few years before that. Yeah, so we're talking forty five years,
Speaker 2: and those paths are going to cross. You know. I
Speaker 2: know that they're looking for specific intersections between him and Epstein,
Speaker 2: which I know exist, but he's also going to intersect
Speaker 2: with many other people that were involved in all of
Speaker 2: that stuff. He was kind of just one of those,
Speaker 2: being a pilot and being a former guy that could
Speaker 2: handle himself and having his I'm pretty sure private investigator's
Speaker 2: license and just thinking from my standpoint, what that gives
Speaker 2: you the right to do, like you said to initiative investigations,
Speaker 2: look into databases, also carry a side arm, so all
Speaker 2: of those things together, it definitely paints you know, definitely
Speaker 2: paints a patire.
Speaker 5: So that's the testimonies of Sasha Riley. Yeah, those were
Speaker 5: some long clips. It's crazy shit. I want to know
Speaker 5: what your thoughts, feelings, opinions about this shit are. Thanks
Speaker 5: for hanging in there with me, and if half of
Speaker 5: the stuff this guy said is true, I hope all
Speaker 5: of them burning how well, fuck me, dude. This is
Speaker 5: exactly the shit that I'm talking about here, with the
Speaker 5: b hole stuff, the murder, the torture, the mutilation, the
Speaker 5: farm parties, Like, come on, you guys, this is some
Speaker 5: sick fucking shit here, some sick fucking shit and it
Speaker 5: was a shock to me.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 5: Shout out to my sister for sending this my way,
Speaker 5: and thanks so much for sticking around to the end
Speaker 5: of the episode. You guys are troopers, but this is
Speaker 5: some wild stuff and uh yeah, I had I had
Speaker 5: never I had never heard of it. So share this
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Speaker 1: Do what you do, Do what you do.
Speaker 5: But thanks so much for listening to you guys, and
Speaker 5: I will catch you on the next one.
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