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Speaker 3: Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite grit guests on the latformer BYU

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Great NFL VET pastor Dewey Gray.

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Speaker 3: What's up, Pastor? How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, my friend? How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Also creator of Cougar's on top AI song It Hit Hard.

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Speaker 3: We played it earlier today.

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Speaker 4: Dewey oh Man, let me say they should have never

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let me discuss of her Ai creation songs. I've been

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making songs about my kids, my wife. It has been

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a blast. But on a serious note, I just thought

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that that would be something fun to do, and I

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listened to it a few times. I was like, man,

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this thing swaps. Let me send it to Ben and

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I send it to some other people and they're like,

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this is good. So yeah, I'm just I'm just having

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a little fun. I'm excited about the game tomorrow. I'm

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super proud of my school. I think from outbidding Penn

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State to keep Kialani, the momentum with recruiting, I can

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never remember a time that BYU and a recruiting class

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had four four stars. Usually it would take US five

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recruiting or eight four stars. Usually it would take like

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four recruiting cycles to have eight four star players. Now

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we got eight four star players in one class and

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it's number twenty one in the country. So the momentum

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is certainly behind BYU football. It's really exciting.

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Speaker 2: It's you look, We've had a lot of discussions on

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this show over the years about talent, scheme, culture, the

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building blocks of great football play, great football programs, and

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it's tremendous to see what where BYU is at right now,

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knocking on the door on the.

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Speaker 3: Cusp of elite football.

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Speaker 2: Right and we've had years where BYU has played some

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really great football, maybe even arguably elite football.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you look back at.

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Speaker 2: Your era, my era that you know it's hard to

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create consistency year over year of great to elite football.

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Killone's doing something special, but he's doing it with support

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the help of many right now, including the university finally

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investing in their program.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, in today's modern football, you have to make a

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financial investment. You have to have top tier coaches, top

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tier facilities, top tier nil and you know too, I

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don't like to compare errors because number one, it's really impossible.

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Number two, it's not fair. I'll say this. You know,

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my era, your era, plan in the Whack is not

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the same thing as playing in the Big twelve. The

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level of competition that the current DYU team is facing

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as much higher than the level of competition that we

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faced in the Western Athletic Conference. And you know that

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is a sign and progress of the nature of our

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football program. And so that's really really exciting and I

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think we have some incredible momentum catapulting us into the

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game against an absolute stacked Texas Tech team. Three of

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their defensive linemen were first team All Big Twelve. That's incredible.

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They had the defensive player of the Year in Rodriguez.

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We know what they can do on offense, we know

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what they can know special teams. I mean, they spent

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twenty eight million dollars in il to have an incredible roster,

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and they've had an incredible year. But I think Saturday

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is going to be different.

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Speaker 2: Why will it be different? Give me your keys to

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the game versus Texas Tech.

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Speaker 4: Well, so let me start with the obvious. The defense

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held Texas Tech to multiple field goals and played well

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enough for the game to be a lot closer. I

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think our offense the first time around was intimidated. We

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had some things go bad early and we could never recover.

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I think now that you face the big bad monster

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and you go, you know what, it's not that bad.

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I think we're going to have renewed energy on offense.

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some reason, I have a feeling we're gonna start the

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game off with Max protect, which means, uh, leaving in

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like eight guys to block. And I think we're gonna

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take some deep shots. And even if those deep shots

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don't connect, I hope they do. But what they're gonna

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show Texas tech is you are not gonna be able

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to stack the line with eight men in the box

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and play man to men. If we cannot run the

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ball against the seven man front, it's gonna be a

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long day. But if we can run it against a

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seven man front, they're gonna have to bring that eighth

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man in the box, which means Parker Kingston's gonna be

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one on one. Jojoe Phillips is gonna be one on one.

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Roberts is gonna be one on one. Bear's gonna have

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to make some throws. And we have to be okay

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getting like one carry for four yards, uh and then

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being like third down and two like we need to

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eat the clock. We need to be physical. Then we

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need to play action pass and go deep. And I

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think our defense is gonna go blow for blow for

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blow with them. I expect Jack Kelly to have a

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monster game tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see a healthy BYU team. Right Look,

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they're healthier than they've been in a long time. Lj's healthy,

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Bear Bachmeyer's healthy, Chase Roberts is healthy. Offensively, you have

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the defense, uh bringing back a lot of players right

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that have regered, or Justin Kirklans back in the lineup,

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Tommy Prices back in the lineup. Nissy Purcell should be

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there as well. This is a this is gonna be different.

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The neutral setting also builds well for byu uh the

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inclement weather.

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Speaker 3: It was really windy, and I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think Sam vander Horr or Parker Kingston were ready

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for it, honestly in this game. And they not only

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muff punts, but they shanked punts. This this game is

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gonna be closer than it wasn't loving it.

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Speaker 4: Is it is, and you know, and and for me

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being a native of Texas, you know, playing in Arlington,

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which is basically Dallas, which is not that far from

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Lovebuck Uh, Texas Tech still is going to have somewhat

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of a home field advantage. But you know, b Yu,

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we we we travel well. And I think the game

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is gonna be sold out. It's gonna be incredible, and

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I just don't think we're gonna turn the ball over

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if Texas Tech plays their best game and we play

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our best game, Texas Tech will win. They have more talent. However,

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the most talented team are the best team doesn't always win.

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The team that wins is the one that executes on

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the day of the game. And I just think we're

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gonna get some turnovers, We're gonna get some big plays.

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I think we're gonna get get out ahead early on Tech,

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make them panic. They're not used to that. The only

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game where they had some resistance was basically on the

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state right, and so I think we're gonna get out

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ahead of him, and I think they're gonna panic. I

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think they're gonna force some things. I look to us

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tomorrow to have at least three to four turnovers, some

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big plays in the kicking game, and I think we're

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gonna I think we're gonna matriculate the ball down the field,

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play action pass, max Protec go over the top. Kingston

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Speed is gonna be a nightmare. I hope they play him,

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Manda Man. I hope they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you wonder, Okay, what happened in the

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Arizona State game. How did Arizona State beat Texas Tech.

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I don't know if you've been able to look at

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that game evaluated, but it's kind of interesting how I mean, look,

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Number one, they were at home. That helps, right, A

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home crowd definitely helps. Will Hammond was the starter for

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Texas Tech, the true freshman that he had seen some

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pt but it's not like he'd ever been.

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Speaker 3: In a an.

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Speaker 2: Environment like this with defensive coordinator that had prepared for him.

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didn't prepare for him. So you know, there's a lot

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to take in in regards to that. But one thing

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that that Sam Levitt did well is the extended plays,

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kept eyes downfield. They got some chunk yardage plays on yeah,

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scramble drill plays, and I thought that was kind of pivotal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah Levitt, who I played with his dad, was just

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pretty pretty cool. He was a human RoboCop. But Levitt

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in that game was twenty eight of forty seven for

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three nineteen. So that's dunkin and Duncan too. That's that's

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that's not that's that's been judicious with the ball. You know,

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like back in the day, Detmer on twenty eight completions

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would have had five hundred yards you know, just so

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I think we need to. I'm sure our coaches have

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looked at that film and have said, Okay, here's some

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things that we can do. And I think that we

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have to be aggressive. But I do think max protection

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is cool. So that means you running three man routes.

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five yards on a checkdown, get six yards on a

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checkdown that eventually, when of those guys are gonna miss,

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leave your big tight end in you know, to block

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on those max protect dump it to him. He's two

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hundred and fifty pounds. That's not gonna be fun tackling

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that guy. You miss one tackle, that's twelve that's fifteen yards.

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And so we have to be aggressive, and that means

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even taking the checkdowns. But we gotta throw some haymakers,

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like like come out throwing hey makers, come out with like,

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you know what we expect to win this game. We

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have faced the monster and we ready this time.

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Speaker 2: De We Gray pastor de We Gray here on ESPN

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the fan. One thing that I know that you'll appreciate is,

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you know is uh he's a great figurehead of the

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of of b YU and b YU football. I think

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Shane Reeve said as much. He said, look like, in

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many ways, Kolani is the face.

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Speaker 3: Of Brigham Young University.

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Speaker 2: He's the ambassador, He's the most recognized figure of the

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church that you dis Christ a lot of the saints

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in many ways, you know what I mean. And and

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he goes out in front of Kugarnation and he says, look,

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you know, and I'm just grateful that that I get

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to be the head coach. But you know, it should

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be more than just football. It should be about being

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a disciple of Christ. So when you hear that, you

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see that, you see the uh, the engagement and and

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and what they're they're doing with Kolani and investing in

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him as that face of b YU.

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Speaker 3: What's your reaction to it? You know?

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Speaker 4: So my I think my reaction would be somewhat different,

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and I'm gonna take a different angle, okay, And I

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think knowing is really important. Who would ever thought, let's

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just say, in nineteen seventy eight, when Black's black men

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cannot hold the Malkeziedic priesthood right, who would have thought

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that the face of Brigham Young University would be a

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Polynesian man. I mean, that is unheard of, and frankly,

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have wanted that. So I think it's quite remarkable to

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find ourselves in twenty twenty five that Koloni Saitake and

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his history and his story of getting to where he

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is is the face of BYU and his coaching has

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put BYU on the map at a new level, which

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I'm sure coach Edwards would just be so ecstatic about

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to see one of his players take the program to

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new heights. And so, yeah, I think that's really cool

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that the face of BYU is a Polynesian man. I

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think that's pretty awesome.

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I want to win football games, but I also want

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to celebrate, you know, christ I want to serve. I

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want to develop men. I mean, but he mentions discipleship

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Speaker 4: He does. He does, he does, and and I think

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that's one of the reasons why a lot of guys

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want to play for him. And I think that's why

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a lot of parents want their kids to play for

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him as well. And I've and I've said this for years,

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is you know, playing for BYU creates a moral framework

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that you're going to live from that's helpful not only

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on the field, but off the field. I could deemically.

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my four years there, you know, So I do think

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that there's something about playing in an environment like that

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where they're trying to develop you holistically. You know, when

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you're eighteen nineteen, you know, like you think you're going

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to be that age forever, and you think you're going

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to play football forever, but you're going to be a

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non football player a lot longer than you are a

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football player. And so yeah, football is a great tool

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to actually teach the Christian faith. From me, I tell

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our congregation all the time that I'm a football coach

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disguise as a pastor. The Bible is the playbook, You're

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the team, and the football is the gospel.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Man, great insight, great perspective on the situation down at

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BYU and Kaloni Satak.

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 2: The great thing too is you know we've seen over

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the years BYU as an institution maybe not invest in

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the coordinators We all know head coaches are only as

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good as their coordinators, right and Kalonie the figurehead, he's

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got his strengths, he's got his weaknesses, and he can't

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do it all. You've got to be able to attract

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and retain good coordinators.

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Speaker 3: And right now you have Aaron Roderick.

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Speaker 2: The offense per espnsp plus is top twenty.

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Speaker 3: They're twentieth in the nation.

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and special teams is.

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Speaker 2: You got true complimentary football and coordinators that can coach

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up and inspire and get players to execute.

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Speaker 3: It's a special time right now.

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Speaker 4: It is it is you. You can only be as

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effective as the assistants are around you. And you also

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want to take care of your assistance and go to

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bat form. You know, if I were a head coach,

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my philosophy would be I would look for assistance that

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I believe that one day could be a head coach

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because they're gonna have the vision, that ambent vision and

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the work ethics and the details to execute what's being asked. Uh.

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it is a strong staff. And you know we're gonna

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have to fight hard to keep a lot of that

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a lot of that staff. But you know, when you

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go back to coach Edwards, I mean, people forget Andy

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Reid was on his staff. I mean three times Super

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Bowl winning coach learned the West Coast offense from coach Edwards.

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Billick and so uh, you know, list goes on and

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on and so it's good to see that the assistants

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are going to be taken care of. And you want

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to head coach who's also gonna found the table for

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you to get paid as well, and not just him.

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You want to coach for a person like that. You

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you want to you want to build something special with

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a person like that.

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Speaker 2: Pastor Dewey Gray Uh, the pastor of the Transformation Church.

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Pastor Transformation Church. You can check it out Transformation Church

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dot t C. I believe is the website. One of

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the things I love talking to you about is uh

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is uh the religious aspects of the discipleship, aspects of

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all things. And what have you guys been been doing

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there at the Transformation Church uh?

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Speaker 3: This month?

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Speaker 4: UH?

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Speaker 3: Last month? We have Thanksgiving, we have Christmas.

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Speaker 2: UH.

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Speaker 3: We we want to turn our our our our our our.

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Speaker 2: View, our mindset towards Christ and his birth and his

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mission on this earth. What are you guys doing there

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at the Transformation Church this month?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, I would I would say the biggest

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thing that we're doing this Christmas UH is where we

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share a lot of generosity. And so there's some things

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we're gonna be We're gonna we're gonna be paying off

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tens of millions of dollars of medical debt for people

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in the North Carolina and South Carolina. And we we

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have a free grocery store. There's gonna be several other

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things that we're gonna be doing to to help people

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in pain. But most importantly, we're gonna be continuing to

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cast the seeds of a gospel of grace that most

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people do not believe that the grace of God is

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as good as it is. Most people think God is

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grading on a curve or if they score enough points,

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and you know, it's hard to believe that God doesn't

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grade on a curve. He grades on a cross, and

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Jesus on the cross got an a plus for us.

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That's what unconditional love is. God is not a God

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that we uh, let's work hard to earn his love. No,

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he worked hard to earn our faith through his love.

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And it's is love that transforms us through the Holy

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Spirit's power. And so we're going to continue that message.

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People in America are hungry. There's a lot of people

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that know about Christ or know of Christ, but do

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you really know Christ? Has He really permeated your being?

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And I think that's so important because our culture is

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so politically divided. Politicians are trying to tell people of

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faith how to live their faith. And the reality is

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it's us, the people of Jesus, who should be telling

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politicians know. Love is the way to go, Kindness is

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the way to go, Compassion is the way to go,

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Mercy is the way to go. That's the way of Jesus.

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And if we don't believe that, simply read the Beatitudes

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in Matthew chapter five three through twelve. It's all there.

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Speaker 2: Love that man great insight is always love here and

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you preach and you know from your pulpit and sharing the.

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Speaker 3: Good news that some people forget about.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: We get bogged down with certain things that are procedural

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and just not the most important things in this life.

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The good news is what we should be focused on

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and embrace that. Do We always appreciate our time together,

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always love talking ball and faith with you.

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Speaker 3: Always learn something from you.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully b why you comes out victorious and can make

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those college football playoff committee members.

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Speaker 3: Maybe eat a little crow, right.

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Speaker 4: Man, the way those guys are by, you could win

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forty nine to six, you know, still put Notre Dame

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in man.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, right, Like, Look, I want to always expect

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the best from people, you know, but we are living

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in a fallen state. These men and women in this

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temporal state are fallible, right, I'm like, but come on, man, the.

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Speaker 3: Objective data is right there before you. Where's the love?

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Where's the truth?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: I need the truth to set me free.

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Speaker 4: Baby, man. We need uh, we need some better politic

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and like Notre Dame has because that's absurd that they're

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ahead of us. But if we win tomorrow, all questions

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are answered.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, we just don't have enough I guess we

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don't have enough like cache, a built up equity, built

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up filthy luker, you know, built up. It's just it's

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not enough right now to sway these people. They don't

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want to talk about us on their on their committee shows,

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not even want to know they did by you or

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the resume.

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Speaker 4: Because of because if they did, it would it would

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it would be exposed. There's there's a talent biased against BYU.

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And when the committee looks at BYU, they they say,

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how in the world could a team based on two

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four seven have the seventieth most talented roster in the

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country and be this good? Yep. They don't even know

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how to deal with that. But when we win tomorrow,

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they're gonna have to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: They don't know, but they about to find out, right Pastor.

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Speaker 4: Grove, mess around and find out.

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Speaker 2: Love it, man, love it, Dewey much love to you

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your family. Always appreciate our time together. And I invite

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everybody to not only follow you, check out the Transformation

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Church website and then to purchase any of your books

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that you have online right now because all of them

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are fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much, Thank you, buddy, Bye bye.

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Speaker 3: They go that's Dewey.

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