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<v Speaker 1>Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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<v Speaker 1>not intended for all audiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is advised. He came over in the corner

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<v Speaker 2>with a hammer and just started beating me, unmercifully, just

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<v Speaker 2>beating me and beating me, and the blood was discussing.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, all of you have just stitched.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, and I've got to kill you.

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<v Speaker 4>You've likely heard the phrase kindness is its own reward.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a belief many of us have. They good

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<v Speaker 4>deeds might bring a little good karma, and then helping

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<v Speaker 4>someone in need is just the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Most of the time that belief proves true, but not always.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes kindness is twisted into something dark and ruthless. A

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<v Speaker 4>simple favorite can spiral into a choice that should never

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<v Speaker 4>have been made. There's another saying, one that speaks to

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<v Speaker 4>the crueler side of fate. No good deed goes unpunished,

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<v Speaker 4>and in the rarest most brutal cases, an act of

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<v Speaker 4>generosity doesn't only lead to regret. It leads to suffering.

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<v Speaker 4>It leads to bloodshed, it leads to death.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Guardian Medical. Do you dispatch for medical police

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<v Speaker 5>or is it an different number? Okay, we have a

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<v Speaker 5>medical alert for client at forty four Cleveland Street.

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<v Speaker 4>At around two am on November sixth, twenty fifteen, in Youngstown, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 4>nine to one one Dispatch received a call from the

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<v Speaker 4>healthcare provider, Guardian Medical. They requested that an ambulance be

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<v Speaker 4>said to the home of one of their clients.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's going on there?

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<v Speaker 5>We had the medical alert to go off and we

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<v Speaker 5>did not be seeper response over the phone or over

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<v Speaker 5>the two way And can you tell me about the

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<v Speaker 5>patient here or honestly I'm showing is that she has

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<v Speaker 5>MS and cannot walk and the age they have bound

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<v Speaker 5>is forty one.

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<v Speaker 1>What's her name, Erica Huff.

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<v Speaker 4>After this call came in, an ambulance was quickly dispatched

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<v Speaker 4>to the home of forty one year old Erica Huff.

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<v Speaker 6>Guardian Medical call, They want you to go to forty

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<v Speaker 6>four Cleveland Street.

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<v Speaker 1>The alarm went off there.

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<v Speaker 6>And they didn't say what was wrong, right, No, they

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<v Speaker 6>didn't make any contact with her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a forty one year old female, Erica Huff. She

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<v Speaker 1>has MS and cannot walk. Yeah, I think we've been

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<v Speaker 1>there before. Forty four Cleveland right.

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<v Speaker 7>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>More than thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>This wasn't the first time emergency services had been called

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<v Speaker 4>to Erica's house, and on the surface, it seemed like

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<v Speaker 4>just another routine call. But in less than two hours,

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<v Speaker 4>that assumption would be shattered. What started as a simple

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<v Speaker 4>ambulance dispatch spiraled into chaos. Three ambulances, two fire trucks,

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<v Speaker 4>and several police officers would descend on Erica's home. Among

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<v Speaker 4>the many people who arrived was a homicide detective.

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<v Speaker 8>My name is Ron Roadway, my official title. In twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 8>I was detective sergeant with the Youngstown Police Department, assigned

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<v Speaker 8>to the homicide bureau. Erica Huff was a forty one

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<v Speaker 8>year old who resided on the south side of Youngstown.

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<v Speaker 8>She had a severe handicap and health issues. She had

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<v Speaker 8>multiple carosis ms, she was bedridden. She didn't live by herself,

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<v Speaker 8>but she had health aids with her. Her mother was

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<v Speaker 8>pretty active in her life, helping her out.

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<v Speaker 4>Erica Huff relied on a wheelchair to get around and

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<v Speaker 4>needed daily assistance with even the most basic tasks like bathing,

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<v Speaker 4>preparing meals, and doing laundry, things most of us take

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<v Speaker 4>for granted. Living with multiple sclerosis is no walk in

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<v Speaker 4>the park. The disease, which attacks the brain and spinal cord,

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<v Speaker 4>can cause extreme fatigue, muscle weakness, severe pain, and a

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<v Speaker 4>host of other debilitating symptoms. Fortunately, Erica had a loving

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<v Speaker 4>mother and stepfather who cared for as well as in

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<v Speaker 4>home caregivers from the company comfort Keepers who checked on

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<v Speaker 4>her regularly. Perhaps the hardest part for Erica wasn't her

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<v Speaker 4>own suffering, It was the fact she couldn't care for

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<v Speaker 4>her five year old daughter. Her illness made motherhood an

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<v Speaker 4>uphill battle, forcing her to rely on her mom and

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<v Speaker 4>stepdad to raise the little girl. No matter how much

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<v Speaker 4>she loved her child. Multiple sclerosis had stolen the simple

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<v Speaker 4>joys of being a hands on parent. But despite all

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<v Speaker 4>these challenges, Erica did her best to push through each day. Then,

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<v Speaker 4>on November sixth, twenty fifteen, her already challenging life turned

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<v Speaker 8>On November sixth, twenty fifteen, the first call I Believe

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<v Speaker 8>went out around two o'clock in the morning two o'clock am.

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<v Speaker 8>It was a medical alert from the home of Erica

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<v Speaker 8>Huff on Cleveland Street. EMTs and an ambulance responded to.

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<v Speaker 4>The home that morning. Erica's life Alert necklace was activated

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<v Speaker 4>triggering an ambulance dispatch. For the next hour or so,

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<v Speaker 4>all was quiet. The responding paramedics never requested assistance or

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<v Speaker 4>called in an update. Then, at around two forty five am,

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<v Speaker 4>nine to one one received a second call, this time

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<v Speaker 4>from a man named Lonnie Johnson Town One.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, this is Lonnie, forty four Cleveland. My wife come

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<v Speaker 9>over because of my daughter.

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<v Speaker 10>Her daughter's along with a house, and so she came

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<v Speaker 10>over here to see what's going on. And then it

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<v Speaker 10>was taking so long. Each time I called, nobody answered.

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<v Speaker 10>So I came over here and she hollered, run run,

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<v Speaker 10>and she screamed aloud, and I'm not gonna set the door,

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<v Speaker 10>but the lights are off. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going on in that house.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't want to go in there. And some that

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<v Speaker 9>and happened.

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<v Speaker 10>I need to cop to come to forty four Cleveland

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<v Speaker 10>Street in Youngstown, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you still there? Though?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I'm I'm I'm about maybe a two or three

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<v Speaker 10>colleagues away from that house. Because Ronnie Johnson Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>She screamed and told me.

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<v Speaker 11>To run run Lonnie, run, And.

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<v Speaker 10>I went to go to the door and I turned

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<v Speaker 10>around and called come back and call you guys cause

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<v Speaker 10>something and then the light everything is off in that house.

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<v Speaker 10>The light's off.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know what's going on. I need some help.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Wellsten, tomw okay, ca very please.

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<v Speaker 4>Following Lonnie's call, police were sent to Erica's house, but

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<v Speaker 4>their arrival wasn't as fast as Lonnie had hoped.

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<v Speaker 1>Yankstown nine on one.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I just called out long ago and asked him

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<v Speaker 10>for a police to come the forty fourth Cleveland Street.

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<v Speaker 12>They're on their way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, oh wow, okay, okay bye.

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<v Speaker 4>Growing impatient, Lonnie called nine one one a second time. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 4>dispatchers were struggling to understand why police were being sent

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<v Speaker 4>to the same address where an ambulance had already been dispatched.

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<v Speaker 4>Why hadn't they heard anything from the paramedics on scene.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you transport the lady from forty four Cleveland or Cleveland?

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<v Speaker 13>Oh that was the medical warm Yeah.

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<v Speaker 14>No, it was false alarm.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, it was a false alarm. Once we finally

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<v Speaker 1>go out there, it was false. They didn't take her nowhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Strangely, the ambulance paramedics reported the initial call as a

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<v Speaker 4>false alarm, but when police showed up about an hour later.

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<v Speaker 4>It was immediately obvious that something was terribly wrong. Smoke

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<v Speaker 4>was pouring out of Erica's windows. Her house was on fire.

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<v Speaker 4>Officers quickly requested fire trucks and more ambulances.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we need you back at forty four Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 15>Okay, what's going on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? I sent you guys there before for an alarm,

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<v Speaker 1>and now the police were called there.

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<v Speaker 6>Some guy called the police there and they're saying there's

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>They got the fire department on the way there now

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<v Speaker 6>and to gain entry to get into then too ambulances.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what's going on, and I think for

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<v Speaker 4>Not long after arriving on scene, the responding police officers

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<v Speaker 4>made a chilling discovery. They found a dead body.

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>He was saying there was a dead body there, didn't

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<v Speaker 6>I asked for the fire department, and then I asked

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<v Speaker 6>for another ambulance.

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<v Speaker 16>Now markets got unseen and said that there's an occupied

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<v Speaker 16>structure fire there.

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<v Speaker 1>We only sent one truck. We didn't call for no.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, now they're calling for another a go on.

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<v Speaker 7>Now they're requesting ladder truck and battalion too. So I'm

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<v Speaker 7>not sure exactly what's going on. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 7>give you a headtipths Inspire Department is involved and there's

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<v Speaker 7>a dead body there.

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<v Speaker 4>As more cops, firefighters, and paramedics arrived, dispatchers scrambled to

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<v Speaker 4>gather information, trying to make sense of the chaos, but

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<v Speaker 4>one detail stood out. The original emergency call had been

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<v Speaker 4>dismissed as a false alarm. But why what had actually

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<v Speaker 4>happened with the first ambulance?

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<v Speaker 17>What do they have going on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they got a medical alarm.

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<v Speaker 18>They fed at fifty five to fifty five, got there,

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<v Speaker 18>said it was a false alarm, goes they're not something door,

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<v Speaker 18>somebody says run, he calls unknown trouble. They get there

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<v Speaker 18>and say they have a dead female. They have a

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<v Speaker 18>dead female there, apparently that's what they officer said when

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<v Speaker 18>they got there. Okay, that's all they know that a

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<v Speaker 18>dead femail enough.

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<v Speaker 6>How did you guys determine that it was a false

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<v Speaker 6>alarm on Cleveland Street?

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<v Speaker 16>They actually, our courage just told us that a thirty

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<v Speaker 16>something or so. Your old male he answered the door

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<v Speaker 16>and said everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 15>It was a false alarm.

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<v Speaker 6>Thirty something ish year olds he may have thirty something

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<v Speaker 6>year old male right.

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<v Speaker 1>Answered the door and said everything was okay. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a false Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It turned out that when paramedics reached Erica's home, a

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<v Speaker 4>man waved them off, insisting there was no emergency. Without

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<v Speaker 4>verifying anything, the paramedics left, never checking on Erica, never

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<v Speaker 4>stepping inside her house. That decision would prove to be disastrous. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 4>Detective Ron Roadway arrived on the scene and spoke with

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<v Speaker 4>the responding officers. It began trying to make sense of

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<v Speaker 4>the mayhem.

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<v Speaker 8>Officers were dispatched to the Cleveland Street residents. When they arrived,

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<v Speaker 8>they of course were going to run the primitive house.

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<v Speaker 8>They heard and then noticed that the air conditioning y'ared

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<v Speaker 8>out of one of the bedrooms was being pushed out.

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<v Speaker 1>We got there. It was weird.

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<v Speaker 17>You hear the alarm going off, and we go to

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<v Speaker 17>the back and then Thowe was trying to push out

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<v Speaker 17>the air conditioner in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 7>And we opened the.

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<v Speaker 17>Window and ripped the air conditioner out, pulled this woman

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<v Speaker 17>out and she was bloody head to toe, and then

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<v Speaker 17>the other woman within their dead.

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<v Speaker 8>And that's when they made entry into the house and

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<v Speaker 8>discovered two victims in the house.

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<v Speaker 4>As officers approached the back of the burning home, they

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<v Speaker 4>spotted movement. A person was trying to escape the house

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<v Speaker 4>by pushing an air conditioner out of a window. Police

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<v Speaker 4>rushed to assist, pulling a bloody woman from the bedroom window.

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<v Speaker 4>She'd been beaten nearly to death. Inside that same room,

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<v Speaker 4>lying on the floor and surrounded by flames, was another woman.

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<v Speaker 4>She was dead, her body was battered, her skin singed

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<v Speaker 4>by the growing fire. The police pushed into the house

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<v Speaker 4>through the back door. In the dining room, they found

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<v Speaker 4>yet another person, a man collapsed under a table, seemingly unconscious.

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<v Speaker 17>Our guys went there for unknown trouble. Founded deceased female,

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<v Speaker 17>fears to be beaten to death. Found another female beat

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<v Speaker 17>almost to deaf. Found a male almost almost dead. They

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<v Speaker 17>not really sure what happened with him. And their house

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<v Speaker 17>was on fire. Somebody set the house on fire trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Cover it up.

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<v Speaker 17>No shit, Yeah though, fd's trying to put the fire

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<v Speaker 17>out without disturbing the crime.

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<v Speaker 7>Scene too much.

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<v Speaker 1>But we got at least one dead right now and.

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<v Speaker 7>Two that are circling the drain.

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<v Speaker 4>In total, three people were pulled from Erica's burning home,

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<v Speaker 4>Detective Ron Roadway prepared for what he knew would be

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<v Speaker 4>a long, grueling investigation. By the time the case was closed,

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<v Speaker 4>multiple charges had been filed, including murder and attempted murder,

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<v Speaker 4>and in the end, thanks to the relentless efforts of investigators,

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<v Speaker 4>On the morning of November sixth, twenty fifteen, an ambulance

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<v Speaker 4>was dispatched to the home of forty one year old

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<v Speaker 4>Erica Huff, who suffered from multiple sclerosis, but when the

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<v Speaker 4>paramedics arrived, a man outside the house waved them off,

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<v Speaker 4>insisting there was no emergency and that Erica was fine.

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<v Speaker 4>They left without ever stepping inside.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Originally, at two o'clock we got a call from

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<v Speaker 1>Guardian Medical said that there was an.

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<v Speaker 6>Alarm and they didn't have any contact with the person

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<v Speaker 6>that living at that house, so I had to send

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<v Speaker 1>There was a medical alarm.

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<v Speaker 6>The ambulance responded and they cleared it. Some guy answered

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<v Speaker 6>the door when they got there and said that it

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<v Speaker 6>was a false alarm. Everything was okay and send them away,

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<v Speaker 6>and then all hell broke loose.

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<v Speaker 4>Shortly after paramedics drove away, a chilling nine to one

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<v Speaker 4>one call came in. This time it wasn't a request

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<v Speaker 4>for an ambulance, it was a call for police.

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<v Speaker 6>And then almost an hour later I looked up in

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<v Speaker 6>the addresses on the screen again, this guy named Ronnie

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<v Speaker 6>call and he said that he got to the door

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<v Speaker 6>somebody yelled run.

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<v Speaker 1>The house was dark and he didn't know what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on. So that's when she put in unknown trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>Officers responded to the call, unsure of what they were

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<v Speaker 4>walking into. When they arrived, they found part of the

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<v Speaker 4>house was on fire. Before the flames spread, they managed

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<v Speaker 4>to pull two women from the home. Both had been

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<v Speaker 4>savagely beaten, their bodies drenched in blood. One of them

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<v Speaker 4>was dead and the other was barely clinging to life. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 4>a Youngstown, oh Ohio prosecutor joined the investigation, and the

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<v Speaker 4>deceased woman's identity was confirmed. It was Erica Huff.

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<v Speaker 12>My name is Don Candello Mesa. In twenty fifteen, I

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<v Speaker 12>was the chief trial Counsel for the Mahoning County Prosecutor's Office.

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<v Speaker 12>In twenty fifteen, Erica Huff was forty one years old.

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<v Speaker 12>She was a mother, a sister, a daughter, as she

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<v Speaker 12>lived in Youngstown, Ohio. She had debilitating MS and she

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<v Speaker 12>was in a wheelchair at that point. She hadn't always

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<v Speaker 12>been in a wheelchair, but at that point she was,

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<v Speaker 12>and she had some home health care aids that would

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<v Speaker 12>come and help her get ready for bed and cook

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<v Speaker 12>and do other things around the house. She had a

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<v Speaker 12>five year old daughter who stayed with her parents, also

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<v Speaker 12>in Youngstown, and she would visit often with her daughter,

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<v Speaker 12>but she needed care to help her do everything from

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<v Speaker 12>day to day.

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<v Speaker 4>The woman who had survived the brutal attack was Erica's mom,

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<v Speaker 4>sixty eight year old Denise Johnson. She had been beaten

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<v Speaker 4>nearly to death before the fire broke out.

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<v Speaker 12>Denise Johnson was Erica Huff's mother. She was retired, I

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<v Speaker 12>believe at the time, but she had taken on a lot.

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<v Speaker 12>So when Erica went to a wheelchair and had to

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<v Speaker 12>sort of give up custody of her child to her parents,

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<v Speaker 12>Denise had retired and she was with Erica's stepfather at

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<v Speaker 12>the time, Lonnie Johnson, and they lived in Youngstown and

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<v Speaker 12>took care of Denise's daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>Erica's five year old daughter depended on her grandmother Denise

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<v Speaker 4>and her stepgrandfather, Lonnie Johnson for care Erica's illness made

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<v Speaker 4>it impossible to raise the little girl alone, and her

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<v Speaker 4>parents took on the role of primary caregivers while also

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<v Speaker 4>assisting Erica with her daily needs. They were devoted, loving people,

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<v Speaker 4>but on that horrific morning, tragedy struck. Erica was found

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<v Speaker 4>dead in her bedroom, beaten so severely that she never

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<v Speaker 4>stood a chance, and as if that wasn't enough, the

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<v Speaker 4>killer had set the house on fire to cover up

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<v Speaker 4>the crime. With Denise barely alive and rushed to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 4>police turned to the only person left the question, Erica's stepfather,

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<v Speaker 4>Lonnie Johnson, at seventy six years old. He was brought

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<v Speaker 4>to the station for an interview with the homicide detective

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<v Speaker 4>Ron Roadway.

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<v Speaker 19>From what we understand, your wife's daughter, your stepdaughter. Her

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<v Speaker 19>name is Erica huff Aza Gras and she lives at

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<v Speaker 19>forty four Cleveland Street.

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<v Speaker 20>She suffered from MS Is that correct? Yeah, she has okay,

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<v Speaker 20>pretty bad. Advanced her some wheelchair to the bulls to

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<v Speaker 20>the wheelchair okay, and she can't walk. She had people

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<v Speaker 20>coming even clean her up, and she can't even walk. No,

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<v Speaker 20>she can't take a step.

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<v Speaker 19>And I believe comfort Keepers is one of the companies

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<v Speaker 19>that comes in and takes.

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<v Speaker 14>Care of her.

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<v Speaker 4>Detectives started with routine background questions before shifting to what

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<v Speaker 4>really mattered. The morning of the attack. Annie explained that

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<v Speaker 4>he'd been asleep at home when it all began.

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<v Speaker 19>And it's my understanding somewhere shortly around two o'clock this morning,

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<v Speaker 19>your stepdaughter wears a medical alert, and that medical alert

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<v Speaker 19>went off. Rural Metro Ambulance Company was notified, and your

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<v Speaker 19>wife was notified.

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<v Speaker 14>Is that correct. I'm assuming you folks were sleeping when

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<v Speaker 14>you got the call. Oh yeah, okay. And then your

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<v Speaker 14>wife gathered herself together and went over to the house.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, she said, on the wool and turned that alarm off.

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<v Speaker 15>Now doesn't go awful lot?

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<v Speaker 14>Is that something what happened every now and then?

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<v Speaker 9>But she went over the forty and pushed a button,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, took care of it, right.

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<v Speaker 21>But she said that you stay home with the granddaughter,

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<v Speaker 21>Erica's daughter and stays with us ninety five percent of

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<v Speaker 21>the time, right, And she said, you stay with her

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<v Speaker 21>because I don't want to wake up and we're both gone, right,

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<v Speaker 21>And I said okay.

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<v Speaker 4>When Erica's life alert necklace was triggered, the healthcare company

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<v Speaker 4>Guardian Medical was notified, as was Erica's mom. Without hesitation,

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<v Speaker 4>Denise got out of bed, got dressed, and rushed out

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<v Speaker 4>to check on her daughter. Before she left, she told

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<v Speaker 4>Lonnie to stay behind so that Erica's daughter wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 4>left home alone. He agreed, but as time passed and

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<v Speaker 4>Denise didn't return, Lonnie grew uneasy. Something felt wrong. He

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<v Speaker 4>decided to go to Erica's house himself.

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<v Speaker 11>About fifteen to twenty minutes so, I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>let me get in the truck in gold and see

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<v Speaker 11>what's going on.

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<v Speaker 14>When you first got there, he walked up to the

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<v Speaker 14>front door. That's right, okay. Did you go in the house.

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<v Speaker 14>Did you knock on the door?

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<v Speaker 9>No?

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<v Speaker 11>I went to reach for the door to open it

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<v Speaker 11>and thought it was over right, and she said no, run.

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<v Speaker 14>Did you see your wife?

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<v Speaker 12>Just hear her?

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<v Speaker 11>I just heard her, okay, So you never actually made

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<v Speaker 11>it through the threshold, and made it through the threshold.

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<v Speaker 14>Was the door completely closed the entire time you were there.

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<v Speaker 14>I didn't get a chance to touch it. I went

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<v Speaker 14>to reach for it was closed.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it was closed, Yes, sir, it was closed.

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<v Speaker 14>And basically what you heard was run, Lonnie, Run run.

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<v Speaker 14>I told you to run.

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<v Speaker 19>And so now when you when you heard her say that,

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<v Speaker 19>I mean, you automatically assumed there was something something wrong.

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<v Speaker 11>So I turn around and I parked the car and

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<v Speaker 11>I called nine one one.

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<v Speaker 4>As Lonnie approached Erica's front door, he heard Denise's voice,

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<v Speaker 4>but her words were garbled and frantic. He thought she

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<v Speaker 4>was telling him to run. Later he would be told

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<v Speaker 4>that she was actually screaming for help, but in that moment,

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<v Speaker 4>all he heard was the urgency panic. Turned and ran

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<v Speaker 4>and called nine one one. By the time police arrived,

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<v Speaker 4>the house was in flames.

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<v Speaker 12>They respond to the house, they go around the back.

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<v Speaker 12>They see some smoke coming out of the window. They're

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<v Speaker 12>pushed out the window. They then removed that air conditioning

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<v Speaker 12>unit and pull Erica's mom from the window.

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<v Speaker 4>Officers pulled the Nise from the burning home. She was

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<v Speaker 4>barely alive, her body battered and soaked in blood. Then

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<v Speaker 4>they found Erica.

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<v Speaker 12>They were able to go back in that room or

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<v Speaker 12>see in that room that there's another body laying on

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<v Speaker 12>the floor. They put that fire out and or partially

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<v Speaker 12>put that fire out, and they're able to tell that

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<v Speaker 12>Erica is now deceased.

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<v Speaker 8>When she was found, a fire hadn't been set in

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<v Speaker 8>the bedroom where she was at. She was burned. She

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<v Speaker 8>did have some severe blunt force trauma. We later found

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<v Speaker 8>out that she had been stomped on severely on her stomach.

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<v Speaker 8>There was a lot of internal bleeding, which is one

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<v Speaker 8>of the causes of death, and she had also been strangled.

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<v Speaker 12>The corner testifies that she had elacerated liver, broken ribs,

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<v Speaker 12>and evidence that she had been kicked in her stomach

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<v Speaker 12>or stomped on, and then she had blunt force to

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<v Speaker 12>her head. And then she had the ligature marks and

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<v Speaker 12>the ligature was still around her neck when she was

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<v Speaker 4>As police moved towards the backyard, something strange caught their attention.

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<v Speaker 4>They caught a glimpse of a man who had closed

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<v Speaker 4>the back door When.

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<v Speaker 12>They come around the back door to see if there's

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<v Speaker 12>anyone else in the house, they're met by a male

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<v Speaker 12>trying to come out the door. He then pulls the

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<v Speaker 12>in the door, and they find that mail hiding under

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<v Speaker 12>the dining room table with a like a duffel bag

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<v Speaker 12>next to him.

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<v Speaker 4>It didn't take long for police to realize what was happening.

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<v Speaker 4>The man had been trying to escape, but the police

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<v Speaker 4>had arrived too quickly, trapping him inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, next guy, I was laying near the boro.

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<v Speaker 8>We got here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think we got here.

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<v Speaker 21>Too quick because when they got here, they said, look

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<v Speaker 21>there's somewhere at dinner you shut the back door.

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<v Speaker 4>Officers forced the door open and entered the smoke filled room.

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<v Speaker 4>Lying under the dining room table was a man in

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<v Speaker 12>Forty six year old Lance Hunley was from Washington, d c.

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<v Speaker 12>He was coming and staying in Youngstown. He was brother

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<v Speaker 12>child with Greg Hunley.

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<v Speaker 19>This gentleman Lance, whose name is Lance Hunley. But according

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<v Speaker 19>to what you folks and Johnathan we're telling us his

431
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<v Speaker 19>brother is the father of your little grandchild. That's true, Okay,

432
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<v Speaker 19>So there is some connection with this guy. And apparently

433
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<v Speaker 19>from what we're getting, he had nowhere to live, and

434
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<v Speaker 19>your daughter has allowed him to come and live with

435
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<v Speaker 19>her for the last three to four weeks that graduating.

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<v Speaker 14>I noticed on his idea that he had an address

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<v Speaker 14>in Warren, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, that was where he was staying with his brother.

439
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<v Speaker 19>Is that where the grandchild's father stays.

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<v Speaker 14>He was staying with him.

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<v Speaker 11>He was staying with him, and he said it was

442
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<v Speaker 11>too many people over there, so he couldn't sleep because

443
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<v Speaker 11>he was working at night, right, And so that's when

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<v Speaker 11>he asked, Erica, can I come and stay with you.

445
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<v Speaker 4>As investigators dug into Hundley's past, they uncovered his connection

446
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<v Speaker 4>to Erica. He was the brother of Erica's daughter's father.

447
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.799
<v Speaker 4>When Hunley first moved to Youngstown, he stayed with his brother,

448
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:55.119
<v Speaker 4>but that arrangement fell apart. Needing a place to live,

449
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.519
<v Speaker 4>he turned to Erica. She agreed to take him in.

450
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<v Speaker 4>That was a decision that would later cost her everything.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, over the.

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<v Speaker 19>Last three or four weeks, I mean, has there been

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<v Speaker 19>anything that Eric has said I mean, was she concerned

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<v Speaker 19>about this.

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<v Speaker 9>Guy at all?

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<v Speaker 14>Did she say anything about erratic behavior?

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<v Speaker 11>Said to Denise and I that he was complaining about

458
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<v Speaker 11>the girls that come to clean her up. He said

459
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<v Speaker 11>they're not your friends. He said they got to do their.

460
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.440
<v Speaker 9>Job, and he complained about that a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 14>But Erica, I mean, in the last three or four weeks,

462
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<v Speaker 14>has not complained about it.

463
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<v Speaker 11>Almost things she complained about him trying to tell.

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<v Speaker 14>Her what the comfort keepers.

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<v Speaker 9>What the comfort peoples, and that's her job to take

466
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<v Speaker 9>care of them.

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<v Speaker 19>But she never like said anything like I'm afraid of

468
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<v Speaker 19>this guy. He's not hating me, nothing like that. Has

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<v Speaker 19>he ever had words with your wife before?

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<v Speaker 14>No, No, not that I know of.

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<v Speaker 12>No.

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<v Speaker 4>Right at first, Hunley wasn't the worst housemate, but he

473
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<v Speaker 4>did have a troubling personality. Erica's in home healthcare workers

474
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:56.720
<v Speaker 4>later revealed that he was controlling and bossy. They claimed

475
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<v Speaker 4>that when they rejected his unwanted advances, his behavior turned hostile,

476
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<v Speaker 4>and one of them eventually refused to go to Erica's

477
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 4>house if Hunley was there. Erica eventually realized she couldn't

478
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<v Speaker 4>keep him around and planned on asking Lance to leave.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, listen, we're going to be getting warrants on this

480
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 8>guy at the hospital this morning.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If he's get being treated or relief, it would be do.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I don't know he's being there, he's under observation.

484
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that personally.

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<v Speaker 15>I don't think there's anything wrong with him.

486
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<v Speaker 1>Gammon, Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>After being pulled from the burning home, Hunley was taken

488
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<v Speaker 4>to the hospital for smoking elation, but as soon as

489
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.200
<v Speaker 4>doctors cleared him, he was escorted straight to the Youngstown

490
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<v Speaker 4>police station for questioning.

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<v Speaker 22>Okay, I am detective stars at wrong roadway and your name,

492
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:53.599
<v Speaker 22>sir is Lance l A n Cezar. Yes, Lance, could

493
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 22>get take a few minutes and leave that alone and

494
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:56.599
<v Speaker 22>talk with her.

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<v Speaker 14>Sure, multi tell well or we don't want you to multitask,

496
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<v Speaker 14>We don't want to talk to you and pay attention.

497
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<v Speaker 14>Then you can look at that all you want. Sir.

498
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<v Speaker 4>Funny knew he was in trouble when detectives began the interview.

499
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<v Speaker 4>He feigned distraction, pretending to be preoccupied with his hospital paperwork.

500
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 4>There was an obvious attempt to downplay the gravity of

501
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 4>a situation. Perhaps he thought acting indifferent would convince them

502
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 4>he wasn't capable of brutally murdering a disabled woman. It

503
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<v Speaker 4>didn't work.

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<v Speaker 14>Would you like to speak with us or about this incident? Yeah?

505
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<v Speaker 14>Why am I here? Okay? Well, we're going to explain

506
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 14>that to you. Okay, We're gonna explain everything to you. Lance.

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<v Speaker 13>Where do you live, sir? Well, right now, I was

508
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<v Speaker 13>staying at urga house house huff.

509
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<v Speaker 14>You were staying there? Yes? And how long are you

510
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 14>staying this? Sir? Beautiful? Buttom off, how do you know Erica?

511
00:28:57.640 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 14>How did you come to live there?

512
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:05.160
<v Speaker 13>Her daughter is my niece. My brother and her head

513
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:06.000
<v Speaker 13>a relationship.

514
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 14>I know you've been living there around a month. But

515
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 14>how long have you known Erica? Have you known it

516
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 14>for years? My niece would be six. I've been knowing

517
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.960
<v Speaker 14>her about eight eight o. My brother, I don't know,

518
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 14>maybe eight years.

519
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:18.200
<v Speaker 18>Eight years?

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00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 14>Your Mary, do you have a pretty good relationship with her?

521
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:21.480
<v Speaker 15>Of course?

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<v Speaker 14>Okay.

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00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 4>Detectives started gathering background details, then they cut to the

524
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:31.839
<v Speaker 4>chase the events leading up to Erica's death.

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00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 14>Were you at home at forty four Cleveland last evening?

526
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 14>Excuse me? Were you home at forty four Cleveland last evening?

527
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 14>At Thursday evening Thursday evening, I was in and out.

528
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.079
<v Speaker 19>Okay, but at some time did you come home for

529
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:48.799
<v Speaker 19>the night, like to go to bed and that kind

530
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 19>of stuff.

531
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<v Speaker 14>Oh yeah, let's let's just speed it up.

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<v Speaker 13>Man.

533
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 14>When I got home? What time did you get home

534
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:57.240
<v Speaker 14>last night?

535
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:57.839
<v Speaker 13>What happened?

536
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<v Speaker 9>Yes?

537
00:29:58.640 --> 00:29:59.319
<v Speaker 14>I got home.

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<v Speaker 23>I don't know.

539
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.240
<v Speaker 14>I left the bar? What bar?

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00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:06.279
<v Speaker 15>So seven time?

541
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<v Speaker 14>So you went from the seven tavern to home? That's

542
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.599
<v Speaker 14>right right up the street. Okay? Do you remember about

543
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 14>what time that might have been closing time? Or didn't

544
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 14>look at my why he's doing the slightest idea.

545
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.759
<v Speaker 4>Fuddally claimed that he'd spent the night drinking at a

546
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 4>bar before coming home. Beyond that, he refused to say

547
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:25.240
<v Speaker 4>much of anything else.

548
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 14>When you got home, you have your own bedroom, there

549
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:27.799
<v Speaker 14>is that?

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<v Speaker 9>Correct?

551
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.960
<v Speaker 14>That's correct? Okay, Erica has her own bedroom. That's correct.

552
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:31.680
<v Speaker 9>When you got home?

553
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.079
<v Speaker 14>Was Erica awake asleep?

554
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 13>Do you never comes here? It gives triggy. Okay, now

555
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:48.279
<v Speaker 13>my question to you, and I'm gonna arrest at this time? Yes, okay, okay,

556
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.799
<v Speaker 13>I think this and I'm I kind of figured out

557
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:54.680
<v Speaker 13>something from the police office.

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00:30:55.079 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 14>Eric had died. Yes, I think I need to get

559
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 14>a lawyer. I think I need to stop question.

560
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 4>Realizing he was cornered, Humley shut down the interview. He

561
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.240
<v Speaker 4>asked for a lawyer, but before the interview ended, he

562
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 4>made one bold, desperate claim.

563
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<v Speaker 13>But I will tell you this, I wasn't the only

564
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 13>one in that house. Else was in the house. I

565
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 13>don't know the person who choked me out. You just

566
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 13>told us you didn't want to talk to us.

567
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:34.319
<v Speaker 14>It that's it.

568
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 24>And he talked to us, y'all do y'all job. I

569
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 24>just but you understand you either talk to us or don't.

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<v Speaker 24>You don't want to speak right, I'm I'm arrested for murder. Apparently,

571
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 24>yes you are, so I need yeah.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, well let's see Saul communications this point though. Okay,

573
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 14>I just wanted this. You know there was another person

574
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<v Speaker 14>in the house.

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<v Speaker 4>This claim would become the foundation of Hunley's defense. He

576
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.799
<v Speaker 4>insisted he wasn't the killer. Someone else, he said, had

577
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.839
<v Speaker 4>murdered Erica and nearly beaten Denise to death, but the

578
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 4>detectives weren't buying it, and thanks to Denise's survival, they

579
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't have to lance.

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<v Speaker 8>Hunley had been at a south Side bar. According to him,

581
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.039
<v Speaker 8>we did go and interview people at the bar. But

582
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:22.359
<v Speaker 8>Lance Hunley had returned to the residence on Cleveland Street,

583
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 8>and it appears that Lance Hunley had strangled Erica, had

584
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 8>taken her, had thrown her out of bed, beat her

585
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 8>and stomped her with his feet, I mean kicked her

586
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.960
<v Speaker 8>so badly she had internal bleeding inside her stomach. Lynn

587
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 8>had gone to the garage and got a gas can

588
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 8>spread gasoline around the bedroom. During this time, Bennise Johnston

589
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.000
<v Speaker 8>had got the report of the life alert had come

590
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 8>to the house. When she entered the house, she observed

591
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.200
<v Speaker 8>Lance Hunley standing there with a gas can. Asked him

592
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.480
<v Speaker 8>what he was doing with the gas can. She took

593
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.079
<v Speaker 8>the gas can from Hunley took it out to the garage.

594
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 8>When she entered back into the kitchen area from the garage,

595
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<v Speaker 8>Hunley attacked her with a claw hammer and hit her

596
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 8>numerous times in the head. Told Denise he had killed

597
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 8>he had killed her daughter, and was going to kill her.

598
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 8>Actually produced a knife at this time and put it

599
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 8>to her throat. Drug Denise into the bedroom and threw

600
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:22.079
<v Speaker 8>her down on top of her daughter, who was smoldering

601
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 8>from the from the fire.

602
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 4>Lance Hunley had savagely beaten Eric a Huff, murdering her

603
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.279
<v Speaker 4>in cold blood. When Denise arrived to check on her daughter,

604
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 4>he turned on her as well, intending to finish her off,

605
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.519
<v Speaker 4>but before he could, Lonnie showed up, forcing Hunley to scramble.

606
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.799
<v Speaker 4>Then came the police. Lance's attempt to set the house

607
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.319
<v Speaker 4>on fire and erase the evidence had failed, so the

608
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<v Speaker 4>police arrived.

609
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 8>Before Henley could make it out of the house. So

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00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 8>Hunley determined he cleaned up, put some clothing in a

611
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 8>bay of the clothing with blood on it, and he

612
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 8>laid down in the dining room, and when officers arrive,

613
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 8>he acted like he was a victim of his crime.

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00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:12.880
<v Speaker 4>Detective Ron Roadway didn't have to speculate because Denise Johnson survived.

615
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<v Speaker 4>Though she was critically injured, she lived to tell him

616
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 4>exactly what happened that morning.

617
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 8>Denise Johnson did survive the attack. She had been hit

618
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:29.159
<v Speaker 8>numerous times in the head with a hammer. Believe her

619
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:34.719
<v Speaker 8>injuries included a fracture's skull severe lacerations. I mean, when I.

620
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:38.440
<v Speaker 25>Saw her at the hospital, she looked horrific, but by

621
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<v Speaker 25>the next day, I mean she was quite a strong woman,

622
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.280
<v Speaker 25>and I mean was able to come back putty quickly

623
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<v Speaker 25>from the injuries and was very very helpful in the

624
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 25>outcome of this case.

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<v Speaker 4>Later, Denise would give an official recorded statement, and nearly

626
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.320
<v Speaker 4>three years after the attack, she would stand in front

627
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 4>of a jury base her daughter's killer and tell them

628
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 4>the truth. In the end, the jury had to make

629
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<v Speaker 4>a decision not about guilt, but about whether or not

630
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<v Speaker 4>Lance Hunley deserve to die. In twenty eighteen, prosecutors in Youngstown, Ohio,

631
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 4>were preparing for a murder trial a lot of that

632
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 4>going around in Ohio. Their target was forty eight year

633
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 4>old Lance Hunley. He was accused of savagely beating forty

634
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 4>one year old Erica Huff to death and nearly doing

635
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 4>the same to her mother, sixty eight year old Denise Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>Given the brutality and the heinous nature of the crimes,

637
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 4>prosecutors had made their decision. This wasn't just a murder case.

638
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 4>This was a death penalty case.

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00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 12>When you have the defendant or the suspect at the

640
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<v Speaker 12>scene with a double bag full of his bloody clothes

641
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 12>and he killed and attempted to kill two or more persons,

642
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<v Speaker 12>this is one of those cases where we knew the

643
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<v Speaker 12>death penalty specification might be on the table.

644
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<v Speaker 4>Of course, before the trial could begin, Hunley needed a

645
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:04.199
<v Speaker 4>lawyer and he needed a defense. Neither would come easily.

646
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 26>Hunley initially claimed he was insane at the time, only

647
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 26>to later change his mind. He fired his first set

648
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 26>of lawyers after they pressed to have his competency evaluated.

649
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.800
<v Speaker 26>In July of last year, after his new attorneys asked

650
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 26>that he be tested again.

651
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 15>The issue has to be resolved, cannot be abandoned.

652
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 26>I think we all know that I am having some

653
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 26>trouble convincing mister Hunley. If such, Hunley became so angry

654
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 26>in court he had to be restrained.

655
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 4>As the trial approached, Hunley made things as difficult as possible.

656
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 4>He was combative, disruptive, and openly hostile towards the court.

657
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 4>He had no interest in working with the public defenders

658
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:50.840
<v Speaker 4>assigned to his case.

659
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<v Speaker 27>Until you can submit to a competency examine, evenish, until

660
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 27>you submit to a competency examination, that that right didn't.

661
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 28>And you're the extra set of company of that which

662
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 28>I don't.

663
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 14>I never wanted to fush.

664
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I understand that, and trying to me.

665
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.079
<v Speaker 14>You are trying to make new things that I don't

666
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 14>want it. If you want to do it or not,

667
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:34.519
<v Speaker 14>you're order.

668
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 28>I do now still in you.

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00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.480
<v Speaker 4>After a second competency hearing, the court granted Hunley permission

670
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 4>to change his insanity defense. Why do they always think

671
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 4>you're crazy when you're actually stupid?

672
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 14>Beats me?

673
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:57.320
<v Speaker 4>But there was still the issue of him refusing to

674
00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.679
<v Speaker 4>accept any of the attorneys provided.

675
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:03.440
<v Speaker 26>To him this morning. After firing his second set of lawyers.

676
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.960
<v Speaker 26>Hunley insisted he could not work with anyone who was local.

677
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 13>But I simply asked you put out an exsurnance from

678
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 13>Auti town, and you told me not.

679
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.039
<v Speaker 26>But the judge said she'd changed her mind and would

680
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 26>find Hunley a public defender from out of the area.

681
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 26>That seemed to satisfy him. However, less than five minutes later,

682
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 26>they were all back again, with the defendant asking how

683
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.519
<v Speaker 26>long it would take to find new lawyers. The judge

684
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 26>couldn't give him an answer.

685
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 14>I'll show you.

686
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 26>And even when the judge asked him a series of

687
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.400
<v Speaker 26>questions to see if Hundley knew what he was doing,

688
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.800
<v Speaker 26>he was insistent, figure.

689
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 14>That I'll figure that. I am absolutely positive.

690
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.480
<v Speaker 4>In the end, Hunley made a drastic decision to represent himself.

691
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:57.159
<v Speaker 4>The court begrudgingly allowed it, appointing stand by counsel to

692
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 4>assist if needed. With that settled, jury selection began and

693
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 4>soon the trial was under way. Prosecutors went to work

694
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 4>laying out their case.

695
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.760
<v Speaker 12>We used the ambulance drivers to talk about who waved

696
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 12>them off when they came to the door, and it

697
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.679
<v Speaker 12>was him, obviously who waved them off. We used the

698
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 12>coroner's testimony about what Erica's causes a manner of death was.

699
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 12>We used the police to talk about their investigation and

700
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:34.679
<v Speaker 12>all the different evidence that they collected. We had DNA

701
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:41.039
<v Speaker 12>experts to talk about not only where Erica's DNA would

702
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 12>have been, but also where Denise's blood was and where

703
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:50.679
<v Speaker 12>Lance Hunley's DNA was left. And we have the detective

704
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 12>kind of round up all the testimony at the end

705
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 12>to kind of clean up and make all those connections

706
00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 12>as to why we think.

707
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 28>Humley did this in the first place.

708
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:06.519
<v Speaker 4>The forensic and physical evidence against Hunley was overwhelming, but

709
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 4>the prosecution had something even more powerful. And I witnessed

710
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 4>one of Hunley's victims had survived. Erica's mom was alive

711
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 4>to tell the story.

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00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:21.559
<v Speaker 22>And Denise I was actually here Friday morning when you

713
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:22.599
<v Speaker 22>were in the emergency room, and.

714
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.280
<v Speaker 29>I think you remember talking to me a little bit.

715
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 29>You were actually in very bad shape when I talked

716
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 29>to you. The doctors were just finishing stitching up at

717
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 29>least six lacerations in your head and your forehead, but

718
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 29>you were still conscious and you were able to talk

719
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.800
<v Speaker 29>to me, and you basically told me what had happened

720
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:40.159
<v Speaker 29>that day.

721
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Speaker 15>And the reason we're here now is we want to

722
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.599
<v Speaker 15>memorialize everything. We put everything, especially in a homicide case.

723
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 15>We do it on GVD TAP.

724
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.400
<v Speaker 4>Three years before Lance Hunley's trial began, Denise Johnson sat

725
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.599
<v Speaker 4>in a hospital bed, battered but alive. It was twenty fifteen,

726
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 4>just a few days after the nightmare that had unfolded

727
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Speaker 4>in Erica's home. Denise was recovering from the brutal attack

728
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 4>that had left her daughter dead. Despite the trauma, she

729
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.800
<v Speaker 4>spoke to Detective Ron Roadway in a recorded interview.

730
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 15>So I'm going to take you back to early Friday morning.

731
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:18.599
<v Speaker 19>Now, I know the medical alert went off sometime a

732
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 19>few minutes after two o'clock in the morning on Friday.

733
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 15>The sixth Rural Metro Ambulance was dispatched there. They were

734
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 15>called and you also recalled it.

735
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 19>You were a contacts and when you arrived, correct me

736
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:31.960
<v Speaker 19>if I'm wrong.

737
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:33.559
<v Speaker 15>You told me you actually have a key to the

738
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 15>house and you went in.

739
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.760
<v Speaker 30>Yes, when I opened the door, he was in the

740
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 30>living room, and you say he, and I said, the

741
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 30>life Alert people with the lifeline people called me, and

742
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 30>I said, where's Eric.

743
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 28>He said, she's sleeping, but the room smelled full of gas.

744
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 28>I said, why is this gasolene? Can even know the

745
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.199
<v Speaker 28>red container here in the living room. I don't know

746
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 28>what his.

747
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Answer was that because I feistily said, gasoline belongs in

748
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the garage with the lawnmower. So I walked the gasolene

749
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>camp out to the garage, put it next to the lawnmower,

750
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 2>and come back in to go to get ready to

751
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 2>check on Erica.

752
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.639
<v Speaker 4>Deni's had no idea what she was walking into that morning.

753
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.519
<v Speaker 4>Erica was already dead, her life stolen in a horrific

754
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 4>act of violence, and within moments of stepping into the house,

755
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.960
<v Speaker 4>and He's found herself face to face with her daughter's killer.

756
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.360
<v Speaker 2>He came over in the corner with the hammer and

757
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 2>just started beating me unmercifully, just beating me and beating me.

758
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.760
<v Speaker 28>And he said, why did you come? I said, first.

759
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Alert told me to come, and I you know, and

760
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 2>the blood was gushing so and he said, you need

761
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to make peace with the Lord. You need to make peace.

762
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:16.159
<v Speaker 2>I said, I have he and the blood was just gushing,

763
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.239
<v Speaker 2>and I said, Lance, why are you doing this? He said,

764
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.320
<v Speaker 2>all of you have just ditched me and I've got

765
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to kill you. And then he's beating and beating. But

766
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I heard Lonnie's truck come. I heard Lonie's truck come,

767
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.519
<v Speaker 2>but he was so busy crashing the hammer I did

768
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:42.239
<v Speaker 2>he didn't.

769
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.840
<v Speaker 28>He didn't hear the truck.

770
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.840
<v Speaker 4>At sixty eight years old, Denise fought back with everything

771
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.480
<v Speaker 4>she had, but she was up against a man consumed

772
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 4>by rage. Then through the chaos, she heard something, a

773
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:03.360
<v Speaker 4>familiar sound. It was her husband's truck pulling up outside.

774
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 14>Your truck?

775
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:09.000
<v Speaker 11>Is it gonna allowed Exhaustris, Yes, she's got phlegmatics on it.

776
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.000
<v Speaker 9>It makes a little noise, so.

777
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 14>Like rumble rumble.

778
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:12.480
<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah.

779
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 17>So In other words, okay, if she was inside the house,

780
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.880
<v Speaker 17>it would not be uncommon or and reasonable for her

781
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:19.400
<v Speaker 17>to hear.

782
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:21.920
<v Speaker 14>The air truck pull up with the loud motor.

783
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 15>Yes, and that would be distinctive and she would know

784
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 15>that you.

785
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:26.360
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

786
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:27.880
<v Speaker 9>Matter of fact, when I went to the door, she

787
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 9>hollowed Lonnie run and run.

788
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.280
<v Speaker 4>Desperate, Denise screamed for help, but Lonnie misheard her. Instead

789
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 4>of help Lonnie help, he thought she was shouting at

790
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.199
<v Speaker 4>him to run. That misunderstanding may have saved his life.

791
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:48.000
<v Speaker 4>If Frannie had charged into the house instead of running

792
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:51.000
<v Speaker 4>for help. There was no telling how much worse this

793
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 4>could have been. Only may have killed them both. Of course,

794
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.159
<v Speaker 4>the terrible downside of that misunderstanding was that Denise was

795
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:03.239
<v Speaker 4>left alone in the house with Hunley, but.

796
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 28>He continued to beat me and scene forever.

797
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 2>And then he pulled out a switch blade after he

798
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.199
<v Speaker 2>broke the hammer my.

799
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 14>Head when he pulled it.

800
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 15>You saw him pull the switchblade out. I know it

801
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 15>was a very heck. Did you feel him stab you? No,

802
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.039
<v Speaker 15>because you know you have a stab wound under here.

803
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:24.360
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

804
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 9>Just he did stab you?

805
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 28>I think he did.

806
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 15>Yes, Yeah, we saw an emergency. There was a puncture woe.

807
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.960
<v Speaker 2>That okay, And then he started to joke me and

808
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 2>dragged me into the living woman. I fought and I

809
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 2>fought and not finally coulding fighting, and he took my breath.

810
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 4>Hunley strangled Denise until she lost consciousness. Then, as if

811
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 4>disposing of garbage, he dragged her lifeless body into Erica's

812
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:56.239
<v Speaker 4>bedroom and tossed her on top of her daughter's corpse.

813
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.519
<v Speaker 4>After dousing the room in gasoline, he struck a match

814
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.440
<v Speaker 4>and watched the fire begin to consume the evidence of

815
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 4>his crimes. But then something unexpected happened. Denise started to

816
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:10.639
<v Speaker 4>wake up.

817
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 28>I realized I felt flames, so I started patting it out.

818
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.679
<v Speaker 2>Then he came with some alcohol and threw it in

819
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.280
<v Speaker 2>my face, and then he walked away, and I went

820
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.320
<v Speaker 2>to the window and I started pulling the side of

821
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the ark, and I did pat my daughter. Yes, I said,

822
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 2>she's still warm, maybe she's still alive, right, you know.

823
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And I said we've got to get out of here.

824
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.960
<v Speaker 2>And and then I thought my jacket burning, so I

825
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:43.480
<v Speaker 2>took it.

826
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:44.719
<v Speaker 28>Off at the wood Dale.

827
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>But then I reached for the window with the air

828
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:54.599
<v Speaker 2>conditioning thing he was and as I'm pulling the sides out,

829
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 2>the police apparently were pulling heard.

830
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Speaker 28>Yes, they said, Mayam, he gotta.

831
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 30>I said, I'm ready to come just take me, and

832
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:07.679
<v Speaker 30>they pulled me through the window.

833
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 4>By the time police pulled Denise from the burning house,

834
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:15.440
<v Speaker 4>she was barely clinging to life, bloodied and gasping for air.

835
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 4>She used what little strength she had to plead with

836
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 4>them to save Erica. But deep down she already knew

837
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.320
<v Speaker 4>the truth. Her daughter was gone, I said, but my

838
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 4>daughter had said here because I wasn't sure.

839
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 28>I kind of knew that my heart she was.

840
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 4>Despite the trauma, Denise's account of what happened on that

841
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Speaker 4>horrible morning never changed. Three years later, in front of

842
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.880
<v Speaker 4>a courtroom packed with jurors, attorneys, and the man who

843
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 4>had nearly killed her, she repeated the same truth she

844
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 4>had given detectives. She told them exactly what Lance Humley

845
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:56.159
<v Speaker 4>had done.

846
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.239
<v Speaker 26>Today they had the mother of murder victim, Erica, on

847
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 26>the witness stand. When she returned, she says, Hundley began

848
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.920
<v Speaker 26>beating her about the head with a hammer. She asked

849
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 26>him why he was doing that, he said. She claimed

850
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:14.320
<v Speaker 26>in front of the courtroom that Hunley admitted killing her daughter.

851
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:16.199
<v Speaker 7>And was going to kill her too.

852
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 4>After laying out the physical evidence and presenting Denise's unshakable testimony,

853
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 4>the prosecution rested their case, the time had come for

854
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 4>Hunley to explain himself and present a defense.

855
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 26>Hunley told the jury he came to the area in

856
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 26>August twenty fifteen and had been staying at Erica Huff's

857
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 26>house on the South Side, paying her two hundred dollars

858
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.039
<v Speaker 26>a month. On the night of November fifth, he'd gone

859
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 26>to a couple bars, came back and smoked some marijuana

860
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 26>with Erica and fell asleep watching TV.

861
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:49.960
<v Speaker 15>I'm on the couch.

862
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.199
<v Speaker 24>I couldn't see they face, okay, and there was choking

863
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:55.800
<v Speaker 24>me out from behind.

864
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.719
<v Speaker 26>A Hundley says the attacker used chloroform on him and

865
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:00.800
<v Speaker 26>he blacked out.

866
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.519
<v Speaker 15>Coming to in the kitchen, I started to war towards

867
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 15>the back. That's when I seen a guy come out

868
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:09.239
<v Speaker 15>of HER's room.

869
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Speaker 14>And if the gas came in.

870
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:16.440
<v Speaker 26>Now groggy and frightened, Hundley claims he sees the victim

871
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.840
<v Speaker 26>lying on the floor of her bedroom.

872
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:19.440
<v Speaker 10>And I.

873
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:22.199
<v Speaker 15>Chucked her an.

874
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.159
<v Speaker 14>I didn't feel the pause.

875
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:27.639
<v Speaker 4>And they took the witness stand and launched into a

876
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:34.480
<v Speaker 4>bizarre theatrical performance. According to him, a masked intruder had

877
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.880
<v Speaker 4>attacked him and knocked him unconscious with chloroform. When he

878
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.199
<v Speaker 4>came to, he claimed Erica was already dead.

879
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 14>She told lads, it's not too late.

880
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.559
<v Speaker 15>We can come up with something to tell the police.

881
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:54.440
<v Speaker 26>Hundley says he then started hitting the elderly woman with

882
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 26>a hammer, telling prosecutors during cross examination he was scared.

883
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.599
<v Speaker 14>I was offended. I was defending myself.

884
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes.

885
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:07.599
<v Speaker 26>Prosecutors pressed him, asking why, with the house filling with smoke,

886
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:11.760
<v Speaker 26>he didn't try to escape. Hundley kept saying he didn't.

887
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 10>Know what to do.

888
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 15>I'm hunding the influence of chloroflum.

889
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 26>Although Hunley was rescued from the burning house, he says

890
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.639
<v Speaker 26>he never told anyone but his lawyer's this story for

891
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:26.719
<v Speaker 26>nearly three years, consisting today. He never killed Erica Huff.

892
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:31.079
<v Speaker 4>In a move as desperate as it was disgusting, Hunley

893
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:35.760
<v Speaker 4>pointed the finger at Denise Johnson. He insinuated that she

894
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:39.639
<v Speaker 4>was somehow involved in her own daughter's murder, and that

895
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.760
<v Speaker 4>in a moment of panic, he had attacked her with

896
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 4>a hammer. The story was ridiculous and coherent. Den it

897
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.800
<v Speaker 4>made no sense whatsoever.

898
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 23>Humbley, claiming this morning he was defending himself that he

899
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 23>saw Denise Johnson carrying a gas can coming into the house,

900
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.000
<v Speaker 23>didn't know what was going on, and he grabbed a

901
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 23>hammer and started hitting her with it, claiming to be

902
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 23>defending himself.

903
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:09.079
<v Speaker 26>But this morning, during closing arguments, prosecutors told jurors Humbley

904
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.840
<v Speaker 26>concocted the story, hoping to create doubt.

905
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 31>He beat her, He stomped on her, and then he

906
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:20.960
<v Speaker 31>strangled her. He then had to get rid of the

907
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:24.960
<v Speaker 31>only witness who came to the house, Denise Johnson.

908
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.519
<v Speaker 4>Hunley's defense was weak and almost laughable, and after closing arguments,

909
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 4>the jury had their say.

910
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:35.920
<v Speaker 26>After just three and a half hours of deliberation, jurders

911
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.119
<v Speaker 26>returned their verdicts shortly after two this afternoon.

912
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:42.400
<v Speaker 2>We the jury find the dependent Lands Hunley guilty of

913
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 2>aggravated murder and.

914
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 28>Violation of a hire us.

915
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 26>Humley sat motionless and quiet as the verdicts were read aloud,

916
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:52.639
<v Speaker 26>guilty in the premeditated death of Erica Huff, the attempted

917
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:56.239
<v Speaker 26>murderer of the victim's mother, and aggravated arson for setting

918
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 26>fire to the crime scene.

919
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:02.239
<v Speaker 4>The verdict surprised no one, except maybe for Hunley, guilty

920
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.599
<v Speaker 4>on all counts, but the jury had one more decision

921
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 4>to make. Would Lance get to live in the cozy

922
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 4>little jail cell or would he pay the ultimate price

923
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:16.760
<v Speaker 4>for his crimes.

924
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 26>Just last week, a Mahoning County jury determined that a

925
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 26>man from Youngstown should die for his crimes. This morning,

926
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 26>Judge Moore and Sweeney determined Lance Hunley offered absolutely nothing

927
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 26>during his trials to offset that. This morning, she upheld

928
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:36.639
<v Speaker 26>the jury's decision that he should die for the murder

929
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.840
<v Speaker 26>of Erica Huff back in November of twenty fifteen, as

930
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.639
<v Speaker 26>well as the attempted murder of Huff's mother than East Johnson.

931
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:48.800
<v Speaker 4>Naturally, Hunley appealed the conviction and the death sentence. In

932
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 4>a unanimous decision, the Ohio Supreme Court upheld both. As

933
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 4>of April twenty twenty five, Lance Hunley sits on death

934
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 4>row in Ross County, Ohio. Of course, in today's world

935
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:05.880
<v Speaker 4>and in the state of Ohio, no execution date has

936
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:10.719
<v Speaker 4>been set, because haven't you heard suicidal empathies all the

937
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:16.199
<v Speaker 4>rage these days? Despite the overwhelming evidence against him, only

938
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:20.480
<v Speaker 4>has never once admitted to what he did. He probably

939
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 4>never will, He's maintained, is in a sense, leaving the

940
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 4>question of why unanswered I.

941
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 12>Think Lance committed this crime because Erica was pressuring him

942
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.960
<v Speaker 12>to leave and wanted him to leave, and he had

943
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 12>nowhere else to go. I don't know what was going

944
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:40.760
<v Speaker 12>on in his head that he felt he couldn't go

945
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 12>back to Washington, d C. Where he was from. But

946
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.599
<v Speaker 12>apparently in his mind he was backed into a corner

947
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 12>and this is the only way out.

948
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.960
<v Speaker 8>What exactly triggered him, we don't know. You know, he

949
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:57.639
<v Speaker 8>would not confess to this crime, but you know, we

950
00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 8>believe he was upset that she was asking to move

951
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:00.000
<v Speaker 8>out of the house.

952
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:00.239
<v Speaker 7>Else.

953
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:02.639
<v Speaker 8>You know, with my experience and what I felt on

954
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.320
<v Speaker 8>this case, he was the social path that he was.

955
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.239
<v Speaker 8>He just you know, snapped and started, you know, strangling

956
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.840
<v Speaker 8>her and beating her. No reason whatsoever they do what

957
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Speaker 8>he did to such a severely handicapped woman.

958
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 4>Prosecutors and detectives have their theories about Hunley's motive. They

959
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.360
<v Speaker 4>believe that Lance had been struggling financially, and when Erica

960
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 4>told him that he had to move out, something inside

961
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 4>of him snapped. Ironically, if anyone had a right to

962
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:33.760
<v Speaker 4>feel beaten down by life, it was Erica. Multiple sclerosis

963
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:37.400
<v Speaker 4>had stolen her ability to walk, her independence and even

964
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 4>her ability to care for her own daughter. But she

965
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:44.320
<v Speaker 4>never once let that turn her into a monster, not

966
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:48.760
<v Speaker 4>like Hunley, who, on the other hand, let his bitterness

967
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:54.559
<v Speaker 4>fester into something deadly. That's what entitlement does to people.

968
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:59.119
<v Speaker 4>They think they're owed by the world, and when they

969
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.280
<v Speaker 4>don't get what they want want, he decided to just

970
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.760
<v Speaker 4>go ahead and take it anyway. After the attack, Erica's

971
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 4>mother shared her own theory when that dug even deeper

972
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.880
<v Speaker 4>into what might have driven Hunley to kill.

973
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Because we were not his friends. We were everything I

974
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:23.519
<v Speaker 2>think he wanted and didn't have. And then here I

975
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:28.719
<v Speaker 2>go a week before getting a b of and he says, well,

976
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:32.719
<v Speaker 2>why didn't you get a Mercedes? I got what I wanted,

977
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you want and what I've worked.

978
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 15>For, And your husband worked all his life exactly.

979
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 8>Both your children are well educated college graduates working in.

980
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.960
<v Speaker 28>Their lives, and we did we wanted.

981
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm getting want in this spring. I said, well,

982
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.760
<v Speaker 2>you do what you want to do, you know, But

983
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 2>he was I could see the resentment.

984
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:57.760
<v Speaker 7>In his eyes.

985
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:02.239
<v Speaker 2>He hated us. We were everything in life that he

986
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>may have wanted and didn't.

987
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:11.400
<v Speaker 4>It seems that a toxic mix of jealousy, resentment, alcohol,

988
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 4>and eviction pushed Hunley over the edge. He brutally beat

989
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:20.480
<v Speaker 4>a disabled woman to death and then turned his fury

990
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:24.119
<v Speaker 4>on a sixty eight year old mother, nearly killing her

991
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 4>as well. Through it all, Hunley never stopped to consider

992
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:33.880
<v Speaker 4>one simple fact. Erica was one of the only people

993
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.239
<v Speaker 4>in this world that had ever shown him kindness. She'd

994
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.480
<v Speaker 4>given him a home when he needed one. She didn't

995
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 4>have to, but she did, and that kindness was repaid

996
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.320
<v Speaker 4>with disgusting, brutal violence.

997
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 15>I mean, the goodness of her their daughter allowed him

998
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:54.840
<v Speaker 15>to come there.

999
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Speaker 19>Yes, and he's been living there for about a month, right,

1000
00:57:58.079 --> 00:57:59.519
<v Speaker 19>and he even had his own bedroom there.

1001
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.239
<v Speaker 8>She was, I'm saying, think he just prayed upon her.

1002
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 8>You know, I need somewhere to live. I'm your I'm

1003
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:08.320
<v Speaker 8>your daughter's uncle. You know, just preyed upon her vulnerability.

1004
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:11.519
<v Speaker 8>And you know, probably she was probably a nice, sweet person,

1005
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:13.559
<v Speaker 8>you know, felt felt bad.

1006
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:13.840
<v Speaker 14>For the guy.

1007
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:17.320
<v Speaker 4>But like many of us, Erica Huff believed in kindness.

1008
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:22.079
<v Speaker 4>She thought helping someone in need was the right thing

1009
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:26.519
<v Speaker 4>to do. It's what all those PBS specials tried to

1010
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 4>teach us. Remember, But when she opened her door to

1011
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:37.960
<v Speaker 4>a monster named Lance Hundley. She unknowingly let evil inside

1012
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:43.519
<v Speaker 4>her home, inside her life, and then it took her life,

1013
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:48.440
<v Speaker 4>nearly silencing her mother as well in a brutal attempt

1014
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 4>to erase the truth. But Denise survived. She fought through

1015
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:59.800
<v Speaker 4>unbearable pain to tell her daughter's story, to ensure that

1016
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Hunley would never harm another person again, and perhaps to

1017
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:14.519
<v Speaker 4>teach all of us a very important lesson. In the end,

1018
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:19.800
<v Speaker 4>her voice put him exactly where he belonged on death row.

1019
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.760
<v Speaker 4>Erica's murder is a chilling reminder that evil doesn't always

1020
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:30.159
<v Speaker 4>announce itself. Sometimes it wears the face of someone you trust,

1021
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:55.679
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes the kindest hearts pay the highest price. Are

1022
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1023
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:02.159
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1024
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:05.119
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1025
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1027
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1028
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1029
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1030
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:21.360
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1031
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1032
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1035
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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to go launder seventeen thousand dollars through a

1036
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<v Speaker 4>locally owned Greek restaurant until next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay safe,
