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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. He came over in the corner

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with a hammer and just started beating me, unmercifully, just

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beating me and beating me, and the blood was discussing.

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He said, all of you have just stitched.

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Speaker 3: Me, and I've got to kill you.

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Speaker 4: You've likely heard the phrase kindness is its own reward.

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This is a belief many of us have. They good

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deeds might bring a little good karma, and then helping

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someone in need is just the right thing to do.

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Most of the time that belief proves true, but not always.

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Sometimes kindness is twisted into something dark and ruthless. A

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simple favorite can spiral into a choice that should never

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have been made. There's another saying, one that speaks to

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the crueler side of fate. No good deed goes unpunished,

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and in the rarest most brutal cases, an act of

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generosity doesn't only lead to regret. It leads to suffering.

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It leads to bloodshed, it leads to death.

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Speaker 5: This is Guardian Medical. Do you dispatch for medical police

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or is it an different number? Okay, we have a

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medical alert for client at forty four Cleveland Street.

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Speaker 4: At around two am on November sixth, twenty fifteen, in Youngstown, Ohio,

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nine to one one Dispatch received a call from the

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healthcare provider, Guardian Medical. They requested that an ambulance be

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said to the home of one of their clients.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's going on there?

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Speaker 5: We had the medical alert to go off and we

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did not be seeper response over the phone or over

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the two way And can you tell me about the

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patient here or honestly I'm showing is that she has

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MS and cannot walk and the age they have bound

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is forty one.

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Speaker 1: What's her name, Erica Huff.

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Speaker 4: After this call came in, an ambulance was quickly dispatched

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to the home of forty one year old Erica Huff.

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Speaker 6: Guardian Medical call, They want you to go to forty

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four Cleveland Street.

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Speaker 1: The alarm went off there.

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Speaker 6: And they didn't say what was wrong, right, No, they

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didn't make any contact with her.

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Speaker 1: It's a forty one year old female, Erica Huff. She

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has MS and cannot walk. Yeah, I think we've been

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there before. Forty four Cleveland right.

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Speaker 7: Good.

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Speaker 1: More than thank you.

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Speaker 4: This wasn't the first time emergency services had been called

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to Erica's house, and on the surface, it seemed like

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just another routine call. But in less than two hours,

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that assumption would be shattered. What started as a simple

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ambulance dispatch spiraled into chaos. Three ambulances, two fire trucks,

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and several police officers would descend on Erica's home. Among

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the many people who arrived was a homicide detective.

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Speaker 8: My name is Ron Roadway, my official title. In twenty fifteen,

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I was detective sergeant with the Youngstown Police Department, assigned

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to the homicide bureau. Erica Huff was a forty one

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year old who resided on the south side of Youngstown.

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She had a severe handicap and health issues. She had

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multiple carosis ms, she was bedridden. She didn't live by herself,

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but she had health aids with her. Her mother was

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pretty active in her life, helping her out.

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Speaker 4: Erica Huff relied on a wheelchair to get around and

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needed daily assistance with even the most basic tasks like bathing,

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preparing meals, and doing laundry, things most of us take

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for granted. Living with multiple sclerosis is no walk in

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the park. The disease, which attacks the brain and spinal cord,

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can cause extreme fatigue, muscle weakness, severe pain, and a

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host of other debilitating symptoms. Fortunately, Erica had a loving

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mother and stepfather who cared for as well as in

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home caregivers from the company comfort Keepers who checked on

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her regularly. Perhaps the hardest part for Erica wasn't her

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own suffering, It was the fact she couldn't care for

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her five year old daughter. Her illness made motherhood an

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uphill battle, forcing her to rely on her mom and

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stepdad to raise the little girl. No matter how much

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she loved her child. Multiple sclerosis had stolen the simple

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joys of being a hands on parent. But despite all

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these challenges, Erica did her best to push through each day. Then,

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on November sixth, twenty fifteen, her already challenging life turned

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into a nightmare.

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Speaker 8: On November sixth, twenty fifteen, the first call I Believe

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went out around two o'clock in the morning two o'clock am.

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It was a medical alert from the home of Erica

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Huff on Cleveland Street. EMTs and an ambulance responded to.

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Speaker 4: The home that morning. Erica's life Alert necklace was activated

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triggering an ambulance dispatch. For the next hour or so,

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all was quiet. The responding paramedics never requested assistance or

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called in an update. Then, at around two forty five am,

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nine to one one received a second call, this time

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from a man named Lonnie Johnson Town One.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is Lonnie, forty four Cleveland. My wife come

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over because of my daughter.

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Speaker 10: Her daughter's along with a house, and so she came

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over here to see what's going on. And then it

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was taking so long. Each time I called, nobody answered.

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So I came over here and she hollered, run run,

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and she screamed aloud, and I'm not gonna set the door,

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but the lights are off. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in that house.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to go in there. And some that

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and happened.

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Speaker 10: I need to cop to come to forty four Cleveland

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Street in Youngstown, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Okay, are you still there? Though?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm about maybe a two or three

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colleagues away from that house. Because Ronnie Johnson Jr.

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Speaker 1: She screamed and told me.

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Speaker 11: To run run Lonnie, run, And.

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Speaker 10: I went to go to the door and I turned

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around and called come back and call you guys cause

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something and then the light everything is off in that house.

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The light's off.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what's going on. I need some help.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wellsten, tomw okay, ca very please.

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Speaker 4: Following Lonnie's call, police were sent to Erica's house, but

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their arrival wasn't as fast as Lonnie had hoped.

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Speaker 1: Yankstown nine on one.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I just called out long ago and asked him

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for a police to come the forty fourth Cleveland Street.

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Speaker 12: They're on their way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, oh wow, okay, okay bye.

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Speaker 4: Growing impatient, Lonnie called nine one one a second time. Meanwhile,

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dispatchers were struggling to understand why police were being sent

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to the same address where an ambulance had already been dispatched.

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Why hadn't they heard anything from the paramedics on scene.

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Speaker 6: Did you transport the lady from forty four Cleveland or Cleveland?

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Speaker 13: Oh that was the medical warm Yeah.

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Speaker 14: No, it was false alarm.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, it was a false alarm. Once we finally

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go out there, it was false. They didn't take her nowhere.

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Speaker 4: Strangely, the ambulance paramedics reported the initial call as a

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false alarm, but when police showed up about an hour later.

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It was immediately obvious that something was terribly wrong. Smoke

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was pouring out of Erica's windows. Her house was on fire.

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Officers quickly requested fire trucks and more ambulances.

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Speaker 1: I think we need you back at forty four Cleveland.

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Speaker 15: Okay, what's going on there?

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Speaker 1: Okay? I sent you guys there before for an alarm,

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and now the police were called there.

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Speaker 6: Some guy called the police there and they're saying there's

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a deceased female.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: They got the fire department on the way there now

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and to gain entry to get into then too ambulances.

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I don't know what's going on, and I think for

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Speaker 4: Not long after arriving on scene, the responding police officers

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made a chilling discovery. They found a dead body.

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Speaker 1: I still don't know.

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Speaker 6: He was saying there was a dead body there, didn't

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I asked for the fire department, and then I asked

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for another ambulance.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Now markets got unseen and said that there's an occupied

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structure fire there.

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Speaker 1: We only sent one truck. We didn't call for no.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, now they're calling for another a go on.

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Speaker 7: Now they're requesting ladder truck and battalion too. So I'm

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not sure exactly what's going on. I just wanted to

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give you a headtipths Inspire Department is involved and there's

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a dead body there.

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Speaker 4: As more cops, firefighters, and paramedics arrived, dispatchers scrambled to

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gather information, trying to make sense of the chaos, but

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one detail stood out. The original emergency call had been

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dismissed as a false alarm. But why what had actually

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happened with the first ambulance?

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Speaker 17: What do they have going on there?

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Speaker 1: Okay, they got a medical alarm.

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Speaker 18: They fed at fifty five to fifty five, got there,

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said it was a false alarm, goes they're not something door,

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somebody says run, he calls unknown trouble. They get there

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and say they have a dead female. They have a

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dead female there, apparently that's what they officer said when

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they got there. Okay, that's all they know that a

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dead femail enough.

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Speaker 6: How did you guys determine that it was a false

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alarm on Cleveland Street?

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Speaker 16: They actually, our courage just told us that a thirty

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something or so. Your old male he answered the door

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and said everything's fine.

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Speaker 15: It was a false alarm.

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Speaker 6: Thirty something ish year olds he may have thirty something

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year old male right.

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Speaker 1: Answered the door and said everything was okay. It was

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a false Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It turned out that when paramedics reached Erica's home, a

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man waved them off, insisting there was no emergency. Without

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verifying anything, the paramedics left, never checking on Erica, never

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stepping inside her house. That decision would prove to be disastrous. Eventually,

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Detective Ron Roadway arrived on the scene and spoke with

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the responding officers. It began trying to make sense of

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the mayhem.

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Speaker 8: Officers were dispatched to the Cleveland Street residents. When they arrived,

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they of course were going to run the primitive house.

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They heard and then noticed that the air conditioning y'ared

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out of one of the bedrooms was being pushed out.

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Speaker 1: We got there. It was weird.

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Speaker 17: You hear the alarm going off, and we go to

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the back and then Thowe was trying to push out

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the air conditioner in the back.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 7: And we opened the.

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Speaker 17: Window and ripped the air conditioner out, pulled this woman

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out and she was bloody head to toe, and then

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the other woman within their dead.

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Speaker 8: And that's when they made entry into the house and

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discovered two victims in the house.

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Speaker 4: As officers approached the back of the burning home, they

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spotted movement. A person was trying to escape the house

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by pushing an air conditioner out of a window. Police

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rushed to assist, pulling a bloody woman from the bedroom window.

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She'd been beaten nearly to death. Inside that same room,

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lying on the floor and surrounded by flames, was another woman.

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She was dead, her body was battered, her skin singed

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by the growing fire. The police pushed into the house

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through the back door. In the dining room, they found

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yet another person, a man collapsed under a table, seemingly unconscious.

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Speaker 17: Our guys went there for unknown trouble. Founded deceased female,

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fears to be beaten to death. Found another female beat

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almost to deaf. Found a male almost almost dead. They

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not really sure what happened with him. And their house

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was on fire. Somebody set the house on fire trying to.

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Speaker 1: Cover it up.

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Speaker 17: No shit, Yeah though, fd's trying to put the fire

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out without disturbing the crime.

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Speaker 7: Scene too much.

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Speaker 1: But we got at least one dead right now and.

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Speaker 7: Two that are circling the drain.

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Speaker 4: In total, three people were pulled from Erica's burning home,

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two women and a man. One of them had already

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lost their life, and the two others were rushed to

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a nearby hospital. As firefighters worked to put out the fire,

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Detective Ron Roadway prepared for what he knew would be

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a long, grueling investigation. By the time the case was closed,

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multiple charges had been filed, including murder and attempted murder,

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and in the end, thanks to the relentless efforts of investigators,

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a violent and ruthless killer would face the ultimate punishment.

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On the morning of November sixth, twenty fifteen, an ambulance

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was dispatched to the home of forty one year old

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Erica Huff, who suffered from multiple sclerosis, but when the

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paramedics arrived, a man outside the house waved them off,

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insisting there was no emergency and that Erica was fine.

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They left without ever stepping inside.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Originally, at two o'clock we got a call from

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the medical alarm people.

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Speaker 1: Guardian Medical said that there was an.

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Speaker 6: Alarm and they didn't have any contact with the person

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that living at that house, so I had to send

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an ambulance.

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Speaker 1: There was a medical alarm.

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Speaker 6: The ambulance responded and they cleared it. Some guy answered

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the door when they got there and said that it

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was a false alarm. Everything was okay and send them away,

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and then all hell broke loose.

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Speaker 4: Shortly after paramedics drove away, a chilling nine to one

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one call came in. This time it wasn't a request

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for an ambulance, it was a call for police.

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Speaker 6: And then almost an hour later I looked up in

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the addresses on the screen again, this guy named Ronnie

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call and he said that he got to the door

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somebody yelled run.

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Speaker 1: The house was dark and he didn't know what was

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going on. So that's when she put in unknown trouble.

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Speaker 4: Officers responded to the call, unsure of what they were

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walking into. When they arrived, they found part of the

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house was on fire. Before the flames spread, they managed

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to pull two women from the home. Both had been

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savagely beaten, their bodies drenched in blood. One of them

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was dead and the other was barely clinging to life. Eventually,

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a Youngstown, oh Ohio prosecutor joined the investigation, and the

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deceased woman's identity was confirmed. It was Erica Huff.

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Speaker 12: My name is Don Candello Mesa. In twenty fifteen, I

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was the chief trial Counsel for the Mahoning County Prosecutor's Office.

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In twenty fifteen, Erica Huff was forty one years old.

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She was a mother, a sister, a daughter, as she

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lived in Youngstown, Ohio. She had debilitating MS and she

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was in a wheelchair at that point. She hadn't always

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been in a wheelchair, but at that point she was,

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and she had some home health care aids that would

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come and help her get ready for bed and cook

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and do other things around the house. She had a

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five year old daughter who stayed with her parents, also

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in Youngstown, and she would visit often with her daughter,

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but she needed care to help her do everything from

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day to day.

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Speaker 4: The woman who had survived the brutal attack was Erica's mom,

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sixty eight year old Denise Johnson. She had been beaten

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nearly to death before the fire broke out.

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Speaker 12: Denise Johnson was Erica Huff's mother. She was retired, I

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believe at the time, but she had taken on a lot.

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So when Erica went to a wheelchair and had to

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sort of give up custody of her child to her parents,

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Denise had retired and she was with Erica's stepfather at

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the time, Lonnie Johnson, and they lived in Youngstown and

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took care of Denise's daughter.

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Speaker 4: Erica's five year old daughter depended on her grandmother Denise

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and her stepgrandfather, Lonnie Johnson for care Erica's illness made

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it impossible to raise the little girl alone, and her

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parents took on the role of primary caregivers while also

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assisting Erica with her daily needs. They were devoted, loving people,

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but on that horrific morning, tragedy struck. Erica was found

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dead in her bedroom, beaten so severely that she never

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stood a chance, and as if that wasn't enough, the

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killer had set the house on fire to cover up

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the crime. With Denise barely alive and rushed to the hospital,

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police turned to the only person left the question, Erica's stepfather,

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Lonnie Johnson, at seventy six years old. He was brought

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to the station for an interview with the homicide detective

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Ron Roadway.

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Speaker 19: From what we understand, your wife's daughter, your stepdaughter. Her

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name is Erica huff Aza Gras and she lives at

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forty four Cleveland Street.

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Speaker 20: She suffered from MS Is that correct? Yeah, she has okay,

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pretty bad. Advanced her some wheelchair to the bulls to

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the wheelchair okay, and she can't walk. She had people

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coming even clean her up, and she can't even walk. No,

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she can't take a step.

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Speaker 19: And I believe comfort Keepers is one of the companies

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that comes in and takes.

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Speaker 14: Care of her.

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Speaker 4: Detectives started with routine background questions before shifting to what

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really mattered. The morning of the attack. Annie explained that

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he'd been asleep at home when it all began.

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Speaker 19: And it's my understanding somewhere shortly around two o'clock this morning,

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your stepdaughter wears a medical alert, and that medical alert

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went off. Rural Metro Ambulance Company was notified, and your

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wife was notified.

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Speaker 14: Is that correct. I'm assuming you folks were sleeping when

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you got the call. Oh yeah, okay. And then your

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wife gathered herself together and went over to the house.

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Speaker 9: Yes, she said, on the wool and turned that alarm off.

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Speaker 15: Now doesn't go awful lot?

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Speaker 14: Is that something what happened every now and then?

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Speaker 9: But she went over the forty and pushed a button,

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you know, took care of it, right.

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Speaker 21: But she said that you stay home with the granddaughter,

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Erica's daughter and stays with us ninety five percent of

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the time, right, And she said, you stay with her

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because I don't want to wake up and we're both gone, right,

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And I said okay.

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Speaker 4: When Erica's life alert necklace was triggered, the healthcare company

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Guardian Medical was notified, as was Erica's mom. Without hesitation,

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Denise got out of bed, got dressed, and rushed out

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to check on her daughter. Before she left, she told

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Lonnie to stay behind so that Erica's daughter wouldn't be

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left home alone. He agreed, but as time passed and

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Denise didn't return, Lonnie grew uneasy. Something felt wrong. He

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decided to go to Erica's house himself.

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Speaker 11: About fifteen to twenty minutes so, I said, you know,

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let me get in the truck in gold and see

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what's going on.

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Speaker 14: When you first got there, he walked up to the

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front door. That's right, okay. Did you go in the house.

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Did you knock on the door?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 11: I went to reach for the door to open it

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and thought it was over right, and she said no, run.

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Speaker 14: Did you see your wife?

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Speaker 12: Just hear her?

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Speaker 11: I just heard her, okay, So you never actually made

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it through the threshold, and made it through the threshold.

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Speaker 14: Was the door completely closed the entire time you were there.

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I didn't get a chance to touch it. I went

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to reach for it was closed.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was closed, Yes, sir, it was closed.

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Speaker 14: And basically what you heard was run, Lonnie, Run run.

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I told you to run.

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Speaker 19: And so now when you when you heard her say that,

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I mean, you automatically assumed there was something something wrong.

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Speaker 11: So I turn around and I parked the car and

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I called nine one one.

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Speaker 4: As Lonnie approached Erica's front door, he heard Denise's voice,

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but her words were garbled and frantic. He thought she

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was telling him to run. Later he would be told

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that she was actually screaming for help, but in that moment,

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all he heard was the urgency panic. Turned and ran

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and called nine one one. By the time police arrived,

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the house was in flames.

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Speaker 12: They respond to the house, they go around the back.

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They see some smoke coming out of the window. They're

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able to tell that an air conditioner unit was partially

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pushed out the window. They then removed that air conditioning

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unit and pull Erica's mom from the window.

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Speaker 4: Officers pulled the Nise from the burning home. She was

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barely alive, her body battered and soaked in blood. Then

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they found Erica.

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Speaker 12: They were able to go back in that room or

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see in that room that there's another body laying on

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the floor. They put that fire out and or partially

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put that fire out, and they're able to tell that

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Erica is now deceased.

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Speaker 8: When she was found, a fire hadn't been set in

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the bedroom where she was at. She was burned. She

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did have some severe blunt force trauma. We later found

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out that she had been stomped on severely on her stomach.

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There was a lot of internal bleeding, which is one

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of the causes of death, and she had also been strangled.

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Speaker 12: The corner testifies that she had elacerated liver, broken ribs,

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and evidence that she had been kicked in her stomach

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or stomped on, and then she had blunt force to

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her head. And then she had the ligature marks and

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the ligature was still around her neck when she was

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laying on the floor in her room.

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Speaker 4: As police moved towards the backyard, something strange caught their attention.

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They caught a glimpse of a man who had closed

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the back door When.

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Speaker 12: They come around the back door to see if there's

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anyone else in the house, they're met by a male

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trying to come out the door. He then pulls the

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door shut on them, and then they have to break

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in the door, and they find that mail hiding under

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the dining room table with a like a duffel bag

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next to him.

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Speaker 4: It didn't take long for police to realize what was happening.

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The man had been trying to escape, but the police

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had arrived too quickly, trapping him inside.

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Speaker 1: Well, next guy, I was laying near the boro.

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Speaker 8: We got here.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think we got here.

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Speaker 21: Too quick because when they got here, they said, look

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there's somewhere at dinner you shut the back door.

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Speaker 4: Officers forced the door open and entered the smoke filled room.

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Lying under the dining room table was a man in

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his forties. His name was Lance Hunley.

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Speaker 12: Forty six year old Lance Hunley was from Washington, d c.

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He was coming and staying in Youngstown. He was brother

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to Erica Huff's child's father. So Erica Huff had a

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child with Greg Hunley.

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Speaker 19: This gentleman Lance, whose name is Lance Hunley. But according

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to what you folks and Johnathan we're telling us his

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brother is the father of your little grandchild. That's true, Okay,

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So there is some connection with this guy. And apparently

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from what we're getting, he had nowhere to live, and

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your daughter has allowed him to come and live with

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her for the last three to four weeks that graduating.

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Speaker 14: I noticed on his idea that he had an address

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in Warren, Ohio.

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Speaker 9: Well, that was where he was staying with his brother.

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Speaker 19: Is that where the grandchild's father stays.

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Speaker 14: He was staying with him.

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Speaker 11: He was staying with him, and he said it was

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too many people over there, so he couldn't sleep because

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he was working at night, right, And so that's when

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he asked, Erica, can I come and stay with you.

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Speaker 4: As investigators dug into Hundley's past, they uncovered his connection

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to Erica. He was the brother of Erica's daughter's father.

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When Hunley first moved to Youngstown, he stayed with his brother,

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but that arrangement fell apart. Needing a place to live,

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he turned to Erica. She agreed to take him in.

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That was a decision that would later cost her everything.

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Speaker 9: Now, over the.

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Speaker 19: Last three or four weeks, I mean, has there been

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anything that Eric has said I mean, was she concerned

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about this.

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Speaker 9: Guy at all?

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Speaker 14: Did she say anything about erratic behavior?

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Speaker 11: Said to Denise and I that he was complaining about

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the girls that come to clean her up. He said

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they're not your friends. He said they got to do their.

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Speaker 9: Job, and he complained about that a couple of times.

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Speaker 14: But Erica, I mean, in the last three or four weeks,

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has not complained about it.

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Speaker 11: Almost things she complained about him trying to tell.

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Speaker 14: Her what the comfort keepers.

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Speaker 9: What the comfort peoples, and that's her job to take

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care of them.

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Speaker 19: But she never like said anything like I'm afraid of

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this guy. He's not hating me, nothing like that. Has

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he ever had words with your wife before?

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Speaker 14: No, No, not that I know of.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 4: Right at first, Hunley wasn't the worst housemate, but he

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did have a troubling personality. Erica's in home healthcare workers

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later revealed that he was controlling and bossy. They claimed

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that when they rejected his unwanted advances, his behavior turned hostile,

476
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and one of them eventually refused to go to Erica's

477
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house if Hunley was there. Erica eventually realized she couldn't

478
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,400
keep him around and planned on asking Lance to leave.

479
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Speaker 8: Hey, listen, we're going to be getting warrants on this

480
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,519
guy at the hospital this morning.

481
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,559
Speaker 7: Okay, okay.

482
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,759
Speaker 1: If he's get being treated or relief, it would be do.

483
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 8: You know, I don't know he's being there, he's under observation.

484
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that personally.

485
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,559
Speaker 15: I don't think there's anything wrong with him.

486
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,799
Speaker 1: Gammon, Yeah, okay.

487
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,759
Speaker 4: After being pulled from the burning home, Hunley was taken

488
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to the hospital for smoking elation, but as soon as

489
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,200
doctors cleared him, he was escorted straight to the Youngstown

490
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,920
police station for questioning.

491
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Speaker 22: Okay, I am detective stars at wrong roadway and your name,

492
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:53,599
sir is Lance l A n Cezar. Yes, Lance, could

493
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,880
get take a few minutes and leave that alone and

494
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talk with her.

495
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Speaker 14: Sure, multi tell well or we don't want you to multitask,

496
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,880
We don't want to talk to you and pay attention.

497
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,279
Then you can look at that all you want. Sir.

498
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: Funny knew he was in trouble when detectives began the interview.

499
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He feigned distraction, pretending to be preoccupied with his hospital paperwork.

500
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There was an obvious attempt to downplay the gravity of

501
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,799
a situation. Perhaps he thought acting indifferent would convince them

502
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,119
he wasn't capable of brutally murdering a disabled woman. It

503
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:28,720
didn't work.

504
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 14: Would you like to speak with us or about this incident? Yeah?

505
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,359
Why am I here? Okay? Well, we're going to explain

506
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,319
that to you. Okay, We're gonna explain everything to you. Lance.

507
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 13: Where do you live, sir? Well, right now, I was

508
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staying at urga house house huff.

509
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Speaker 14: You were staying there? Yes? And how long are you

510
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:57,599
staying this? Sir? Beautiful? Buttom off, how do you know Erica?

511
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,559
How did you come to live there?

512
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 13: Her daughter is my niece. My brother and her head

513
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a relationship.

514
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:07,599
Speaker 14: I know you've been living there around a month. But

515
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,119
how long have you known Erica? Have you known it

516
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,160
for years? My niece would be six. I've been knowing

517
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,960
her about eight eight o. My brother, I don't know,

518
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,839
maybe eight years.

519
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Speaker 18: Eight years?

520
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Speaker 14: Your Mary, do you have a pretty good relationship with her?

521
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 15: Of course?

522
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,039
Speaker 14: Okay.

523
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: Detectives started gathering background details, then they cut to the

524
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,839
chase the events leading up to Erica's death.

525
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Speaker 14: Were you at home at forty four Cleveland last evening?

526
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,920
Excuse me? Were you home at forty four Cleveland last evening?

527
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,640
At Thursday evening Thursday evening, I was in and out.

528
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,079
Speaker 19: Okay, but at some time did you come home for

529
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the night, like to go to bed and that kind

530
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of stuff.

531
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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, let's let's just speed it up.

532
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 13: Man.

533
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,839
Speaker 14: When I got home? What time did you get home

534
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,240
last night?

535
00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:57,839
Speaker 13: What happened?

536
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 9: Yes?

537
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,319
Speaker 14: I got home.

538
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 23: I don't know.

539
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 14: I left the bar? What bar?

540
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:06,279
Speaker 15: So seven time?

541
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Speaker 14: So you went from the seven tavern to home? That's

542
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,599
right right up the street. Okay? Do you remember about

543
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,240
what time that might have been closing time? Or didn't

544
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,160
look at my why he's doing the slightest idea.

545
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,759
Speaker 4: Fuddally claimed that he'd spent the night drinking at a

546
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,839
bar before coming home. Beyond that, he refused to say

547
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,240
much of anything else.

548
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:27,599
Speaker 14: When you got home, you have your own bedroom, there

549
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:27,799
is that?

550
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:28,119
Speaker 9: Correct?

551
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 14: That's correct? Okay, Erica has her own bedroom. That's correct.

552
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 9: When you got home?

553
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:33,079
Speaker 14: Was Erica awake asleep?

554
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 13: Do you never comes here? It gives triggy. Okay, now

555
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:48,279
my question to you, and I'm gonna arrest at this time? Yes, okay, okay,

556
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,799
I think this and I'm I kind of figured out

557
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,680
something from the police office.

558
00:30:55,079 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 14: Eric had died. Yes, I think I need to get

559
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,319
a lawyer. I think I need to stop question.

560
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: Realizing he was cornered, Humley shut down the interview. He

561
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,240
asked for a lawyer, but before the interview ended, he

562
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made one bold, desperate claim.

563
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,599
Speaker 13: But I will tell you this, I wasn't the only

564
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,720
one in that house. Else was in the house. I

565
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:31,880
don't know the person who choked me out. You just

566
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,119
told us you didn't want to talk to us.

567
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Speaker 14: It that's it.

568
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 24: And he talked to us, y'all do y'all job. I

569
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:39,960
just but you understand you either talk to us or don't.

570
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,720
You don't want to speak right, I'm I'm arrested for murder. Apparently,

571
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,440
yes you are, so I need yeah.

572
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:49,039
Speaker 14: Okay, well let's see Saul communications this point though. Okay,

573
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,519
I just wanted this. You know there was another person

574
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in the house.

575
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 4: This claim would become the foundation of Hunley's defense. He

576
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,799
insisted he wasn't the killer. Someone else, he said, had

577
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,839
murdered Erica and nearly beaten Denise to death, but the

578
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,480
detectives weren't buying it, and thanks to Denise's survival, they

579
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,400
didn't have to lance.

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00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 8: Hunley had been at a south Side bar. According to him,

581
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,039
we did go and interview people at the bar. But

582
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,359
Lance Hunley had returned to the residence on Cleveland Street,

583
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:28,519
and it appears that Lance Hunley had strangled Erica, had

584
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,920
taken her, had thrown her out of bed, beat her

585
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,960
and stomped her with his feet, I mean kicked her

586
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,960
so badly she had internal bleeding inside her stomach. Lynn

587
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,519
had gone to the garage and got a gas can

588
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:45,000
spread gasoline around the bedroom. During this time, Bennise Johnston

589
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,000
had got the report of the life alert had come

590
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,440
to the house. When she entered the house, she observed

591
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Lance Hunley standing there with a gas can. Asked him

592
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,480
what he was doing with the gas can. She took

593
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,079
the gas can from Hunley took it out to the garage.

594
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,920
When she entered back into the kitchen area from the garage,

595
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:04,799
Hunley attacked her with a claw hammer and hit her

596
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,559
numerous times in the head. Told Denise he had killed

597
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:10,559
he had killed her daughter, and was going to kill her.

598
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,200
Actually produced a knife at this time and put it

599
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,079
to her throat. Drug Denise into the bedroom and threw

600
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:22,079
her down on top of her daughter, who was smoldering

601
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:23,359
from the from the fire.

602
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: Lance Hunley had savagely beaten Eric a Huff, murdering her

603
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:32,279
in cold blood. When Denise arrived to check on her daughter,

604
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:36,559
he turned on her as well, intending to finish her off,

605
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,519
but before he could, Lonnie showed up, forcing Hunley to scramble.

606
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,799
Then came the police. Lance's attempt to set the house

607
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,319
on fire and erase the evidence had failed, so the

608
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:50,839
police arrived.

609
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Speaker 8: Before Henley could make it out of the house. So

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00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,359
Hunley determined he cleaned up, put some clothing in a

611
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,279
bay of the clothing with blood on it, and he

612
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:04,000
laid down in the dining room, and when officers arrive,

613
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:06,720
he acted like he was a victim of his crime.

614
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: Detective Ron Roadway didn't have to speculate because Denise Johnson survived.

615
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,960
Though she was critically injured, she lived to tell him

616
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,159
exactly what happened that morning.

617
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,559
Speaker 8: Denise Johnson did survive the attack. She had been hit

618
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,159
numerous times in the head with a hammer. Believe her

619
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:34,719
injuries included a fracture's skull severe lacerations. I mean, when I.

620
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 25: Saw her at the hospital, she looked horrific, but by

621
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,320
the next day, I mean she was quite a strong woman,

622
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,280
and I mean was able to come back putty quickly

623
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,679
from the injuries and was very very helpful in the

624
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,760
outcome of this case.

625
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Speaker 4: Later, Denise would give an official recorded statement, and nearly

626
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,320
three years after the attack, she would stand in front

627
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,800
of a jury base her daughter's killer and tell them

628
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,360
the truth. In the end, the jury had to make

629
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,840
a decision not about guilt, but about whether or not

630
00:35:11,079 --> 00:36:03,840
Lance Hunley deserve to die. In twenty eighteen, prosecutors in Youngstown, Ohio,

631
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,519
were preparing for a murder trial a lot of that

632
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:12,079
going around in Ohio. Their target was forty eight year

633
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:16,719
old Lance Hunley. He was accused of savagely beating forty

634
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,199
one year old Erica Huff to death and nearly doing

635
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,639
the same to her mother, sixty eight year old Denise Johnson.

636
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,719
Given the brutality and the heinous nature of the crimes,

637
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,760
prosecutors had made their decision. This wasn't just a murder case.

638
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,079
This was a death penalty case.

639
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 12: When you have the defendant or the suspect at the

640
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,199
scene with a double bag full of his bloody clothes

641
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,000
and he killed and attempted to kill two or more persons,

642
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:51,840
this is one of those cases where we knew the

643
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,239
death penalty specification might be on the table.

644
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: Of course, before the trial could begin, Hunley needed a

645
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,199
lawyer and he needed a defense. Neither would come easily.

646
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,519
Speaker 26: Hunley initially claimed he was insane at the time, only

647
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:12,159
to later change his mind. He fired his first set

648
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:16,039
of lawyers after they pressed to have his competency evaluated.

649
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,800
In July of last year, after his new attorneys asked

650
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,000
that he be tested again.

651
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 15: The issue has to be resolved, cannot be abandoned.

652
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 26: I think we all know that I am having some

653
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:34,719
trouble convincing mister Hunley. If such, Hunley became so angry

654
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,519
in court he had to be restrained.

655
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 4: As the trial approached, Hunley made things as difficult as possible.

656
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,280
He was combative, disruptive, and openly hostile towards the court.

657
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,719
He had no interest in working with the public defenders

658
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,840
assigned to his case.

659
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 27: Until you can submit to a competency examine, evenish, until

660
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:15,440
you submit to a competency examination, that that right didn't.

661
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 28: And you're the extra set of company of that which

662
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,320
I don't.

663
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 14: I never wanted to fush.

664
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Speaker 1: I understand that, and trying to me.

665
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,079
Speaker 14: You are trying to make new things that I don't

666
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,519
want it. If you want to do it or not,

667
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:34,519
you're order.

668
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:41,119
Speaker 28: I do now still in you.

669
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Speaker 4: After a second competency hearing, the court granted Hunley permission

670
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:51,000
to change his insanity defense. Why do they always think

671
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,679
you're crazy when you're actually stupid?

672
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 14: Beats me?

673
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 4: But there was still the issue of him refusing to

674
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,679
accept any of the attorneys provided.

675
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 26: To him this morning. After firing his second set of lawyers.

676
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Hunley insisted he could not work with anyone who was local.

677
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 13: But I simply asked you put out an exsurnance from

678
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:11,760
Auti town, and you told me not.

679
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,039
Speaker 26: But the judge said she'd changed her mind and would

680
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,920
find Hunley a public defender from out of the area.

681
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,800
That seemed to satisfy him. However, less than five minutes later,

682
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,639
they were all back again, with the defendant asking how

683
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,519
long it would take to find new lawyers. The judge

684
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:28,800
couldn't give him an answer.

685
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 14: I'll show you.

686
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Speaker 26: And even when the judge asked him a series of

687
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,400
questions to see if Hundley knew what he was doing,

688
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:39,800
he was insistent, figure.

689
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Speaker 14: That I'll figure that. I am absolutely positive.

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Speaker 4: In the end, Hunley made a drastic decision to represent himself.

691
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The court begrudgingly allowed it, appointing stand by counsel to

692
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,280
assist if needed. With that settled, jury selection began and

693
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,639
soon the trial was under way. Prosecutors went to work

694
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laying out their case.

695
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 12: We used the ambulance drivers to talk about who waved

696
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,920
them off when they came to the door, and it

697
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:20,679
was him, obviously who waved them off. We used the

698
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:27,199
coroner's testimony about what Erica's causes a manner of death was.

699
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,639
We used the police to talk about their investigation and

700
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,679
all the different evidence that they collected. We had DNA

701
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:41,039
experts to talk about not only where Erica's DNA would

702
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:45,079
have been, but also where Denise's blood was and where

703
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,679
Lance Hunley's DNA was left. And we have the detective

704
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,039
kind of round up all the testimony at the end

705
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,440
to kind of clean up and make all those connections

706
00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:58,800
as to why we think.

707
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Speaker 28: Humley did this in the first place.

708
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,519
Speaker 4: The forensic and physical evidence against Hunley was overwhelming, but

709
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:11,199
the prosecution had something even more powerful. And I witnessed

710
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:16,000
one of Hunley's victims had survived. Erica's mom was alive

711
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,920
to tell the story.

712
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Speaker 22: And Denise I was actually here Friday morning when you

713
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:22,599
were in the emergency room, and.

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00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 29: I think you remember talking to me a little bit.

715
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,599
You were actually in very bad shape when I talked

716
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:31,000
to you. The doctors were just finishing stitching up at

717
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:34,920
least six lacerations in your head and your forehead, but

718
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:36,960
you were still conscious and you were able to talk

719
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,800
to me, and you basically told me what had happened

720
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,159
that day.

721
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 15: And the reason we're here now is we want to

722
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,599
memorialize everything. We put everything, especially in a homicide case.

723
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:47,199
We do it on GVD TAP.

724
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: Three years before Lance Hunley's trial began, Denise Johnson sat

725
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,599
in a hospital bed, battered but alive. It was twenty fifteen,

726
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,519
just a few days after the nightmare that had unfolded

727
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:04,360
in Erica's home. Denise was recovering from the brutal attack

728
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,440
that had left her daughter dead. Despite the trauma, she

729
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,800
spoke to Detective Ron Roadway in a recorded interview.

730
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Speaker 15: So I'm going to take you back to early Friday morning.

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00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,599
Speaker 19: Now, I know the medical alert went off sometime a

732
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few minutes after two o'clock in the morning on Friday.

733
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 15: The sixth Rural Metro Ambulance was dispatched there. They were

734
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,679
called and you also recalled it.

735
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 19: You were a contacts and when you arrived, correct me

736
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:31,960
if I'm wrong.

737
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:33,559
Speaker 15: You told me you actually have a key to the

738
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:34,440
house and you went in.

739
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 30: Yes, when I opened the door, he was in the

740
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:47,480
living room, and you say he, and I said, the

741
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:52,559
life Alert people with the lifeline people called me, and

742
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,079
I said, where's Eric.

743
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 28: He said, she's sleeping, but the room smelled full of gas.

744
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:05,039
I said, why is this gasolene? Can even know the

745
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,199
red container here in the living room. I don't know

746
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:09,679
what his.

747
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:16,039
Speaker 2: Answer was that because I feistily said, gasoline belongs in

748
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,920
the garage with the lawnmower. So I walked the gasolene

749
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:24,840
camp out to the garage, put it next to the lawnmower,

750
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,119
and come back in to go to get ready to

751
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,280
check on Erica.

752
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,639
Speaker 4: Deni's had no idea what she was walking into that morning.

753
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,519
Erica was already dead, her life stolen in a horrific

754
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:43,000
act of violence, and within moments of stepping into the house,

755
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,960
and He's found herself face to face with her daughter's killer.

756
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: He came over in the corner with the hammer and

757
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:57,039
just started beating me unmercifully, just beating me and beating me.

758
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 28: And he said, why did you come? I said, first.

759
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:04,639
Speaker 2: Alert told me to come, and I you know, and

760
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,039
the blood was gushing so and he said, you need

761
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:11,360
to make peace with the Lord. You need to make peace.

762
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,159
I said, I have he and the blood was just gushing,

763
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,239
and I said, Lance, why are you doing this? He said,

764
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,320
all of you have just ditched me and I've got

765
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,480
to kill you. And then he's beating and beating. But

766
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:36,199
I heard Lonnie's truck come. I heard Lonie's truck come,

767
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,519
but he was so busy crashing the hammer I did

768
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,239
he didn't.

769
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 28: He didn't hear the truck.

770
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 4: At sixty eight years old, Denise fought back with everything

771
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:54,480
she had, but she was up against a man consumed

772
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:58,800
by rage. Then through the chaos, she heard something, a

773
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,360
familiar sound. It was her husband's truck pulling up outside.

774
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:04,559
Speaker 14: Your truck?

775
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 11: Is it gonna allowed Exhaustris, Yes, she's got phlegmatics on it.

776
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 9: It makes a little noise, so.

777
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 14: Like rumble rumble.

778
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 9: Oh yeah.

779
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 17: So In other words, okay, if she was inside the house,

780
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:18,880
it would not be uncommon or and reasonable for her

781
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,400
to hear.

782
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 14: The air truck pull up with the loud motor.

783
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,119
Speaker 15: Yes, and that would be distinctive and she would know

784
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:25,400
that you.

785
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 12: Yeah.

786
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 9: Matter of fact, when I went to the door, she

787
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,639
hollowed Lonnie run and run.

788
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 4: Desperate, Denise screamed for help, but Lonnie misheard her. Instead

789
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,199
of help Lonnie help, he thought she was shouting at

790
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,199
him to run. That misunderstanding may have saved his life.

791
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,000
If Frannie had charged into the house instead of running

792
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:51,000
for help. There was no telling how much worse this

793
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,679
could have been. Only may have killed them both. Of course,

794
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,159
the terrible downside of that misunderstanding was that Denise was

795
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,239
left alone in the house with Hunley, but.

796
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,159
Speaker 28: He continued to beat me and scene forever.

797
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,559
Speaker 2: And then he pulled out a switch blade after he

798
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,199
broke the hammer my.

799
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 14: Head when he pulled it.

800
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 15: You saw him pull the switchblade out. I know it

801
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,000
was a very heck. Did you feel him stab you? No,

802
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:23,039
because you know you have a stab wound under here.

803
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 8: Yeah?

804
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:26,199
Speaker 9: Just he did stab you?

805
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 28: I think he did.

806
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 15: Yes, Yeah, we saw an emergency. There was a puncture woe.

807
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: That okay, And then he started to joke me and

808
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,760
dragged me into the living woman. I fought and I

809
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,159
fought and not finally coulding fighting, and he took my breath.

810
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: Hunley strangled Denise until she lost consciousness. Then, as if

811
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,599
disposing of garbage, he dragged her lifeless body into Erica's

812
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:56,239
bedroom and tossed her on top of her daughter's corpse.

813
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,519
After dousing the room in gasoline, he struck a match

814
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:03,440
and watched the fire begin to consume the evidence of

815
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:10,159
his crimes. But then something unexpected happened. Denise started to

816
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:10,639
wake up.

817
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 28: I realized I felt flames, so I started patting it out.

818
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,679
Speaker 2: Then he came with some alcohol and threw it in

819
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,280
my face, and then he walked away, and I went

820
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,320
to the window and I started pulling the side of

821
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,000
the ark, and I did pat my daughter. Yes, I said,

822
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,840
she's still warm, maybe she's still alive, right, you know.

823
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:38,840
And I said we've got to get out of here.

824
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:42,960
And and then I thought my jacket burning, so I

825
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:43,480
took it.

826
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 28: Off at the wood Dale.

827
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: But then I reached for the window with the air

828
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,599
conditioning thing he was and as I'm pulling the sides out,

829
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,679
the police apparently were pulling heard.

830
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 28: Yes, they said, Mayam, he gotta.

831
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 30: I said, I'm ready to come just take me, and

832
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:07,679
they pulled me through the window.

833
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: By the time police pulled Denise from the burning house,

834
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:15,440
she was barely clinging to life, bloodied and gasping for air.

835
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,920
She used what little strength she had to plead with

836
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:23,119
them to save Erica. But deep down she already knew

837
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:27,320
the truth. Her daughter was gone, I said, but my

838
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,559
daughter had said here because I wasn't sure.

839
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:34,519
Speaker 28: I kind of knew that my heart she was.

840
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,159
Speaker 4: Despite the trauma, Denise's account of what happened on that

841
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,400
horrible morning never changed. Three years later, in front of

842
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,880
a courtroom packed with jurors, attorneys, and the man who

843
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,320
had nearly killed her, she repeated the same truth she

844
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,760
had given detectives. She told them exactly what Lance Humley

845
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,159
had done.

846
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 26: Today they had the mother of murder victim, Erica, on

847
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,559
the witness stand. When she returned, she says, Hundley began

848
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,920
beating her about the head with a hammer. She asked

849
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,159
him why he was doing that, he said. She claimed

850
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,320
in front of the courtroom that Hunley admitted killing her daughter.

851
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,199
Speaker 7: And was going to kill her too.

852
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,679
Speaker 4: After laying out the physical evidence and presenting Denise's unshakable testimony,

853
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,119
the prosecution rested their case, the time had come for

854
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,039
Hunley to explain himself and present a defense.

855
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 26: Hunley told the jury he came to the area in

856
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,039
August twenty fifteen and had been staying at Erica Huff's

857
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,119
house on the South Side, paying her two hundred dollars

858
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,039
a month. On the night of November fifth, he'd gone

859
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:46,199
to a couple bars, came back and smoked some marijuana

860
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,679
with Erica and fell asleep watching TV.

861
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 15: I'm on the couch.

862
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:54,199
Speaker 24: I couldn't see they face, okay, and there was choking

863
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,800
me out from behind.

864
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 26: A Hundley says the attacker used chloroform on him and

865
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,800
he blacked out.

866
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:04,519
Speaker 15: Coming to in the kitchen, I started to war towards

867
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:08,199
the back. That's when I seen a guy come out

868
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,239
of HER's room.

869
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 14: And if the gas came in.

870
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 26: Now groggy and frightened, Hundley claims he sees the victim

871
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:18,840
lying on the floor of her bedroom.

872
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 10: And I.

873
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,199
Speaker 15: Chucked her an.

874
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:25,159
Speaker 14: I didn't feel the pause.

875
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,639
Speaker 4: And they took the witness stand and launched into a

876
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:34,480
bizarre theatrical performance. According to him, a masked intruder had

877
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,880
attacked him and knocked him unconscious with chloroform. When he

878
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,199
came to, he claimed Erica was already dead.

879
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 14: She told lads, it's not too late.

880
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,559
Speaker 15: We can come up with something to tell the police.

881
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 26: Hundley says he then started hitting the elderly woman with

882
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:58,800
a hammer, telling prosecutors during cross examination he was scared.

883
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,599
Speaker 14: I was offended. I was defending myself.

884
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: Oh yes.

885
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,599
Speaker 26: Prosecutors pressed him, asking why, with the house filling with smoke,

886
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,760
he didn't try to escape. Hundley kept saying he didn't.

887
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:12,079
Speaker 10: Know what to do.

888
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 15: I'm hunding the influence of chloroflum.

889
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:18,559
Speaker 26: Although Hunley was rescued from the burning house, he says

890
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:21,639
he never told anyone but his lawyer's this story for

891
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,719
nearly three years, consisting today. He never killed Erica Huff.

892
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,079
Speaker 4: In a move as desperate as it was disgusting, Hunley

893
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:35,760
pointed the finger at Denise Johnson. He insinuated that she

894
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:39,639
was somehow involved in her own daughter's murder, and that

895
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,760
in a moment of panic, he had attacked her with

896
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:48,400
a hammer. The story was ridiculous and coherent. Den it

897
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:50,800
made no sense whatsoever.

898
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 23: Humbley, claiming this morning he was defending himself that he

899
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,400
saw Denise Johnson carrying a gas can coming into the house,

900
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,000
didn't know what was going on, and he grabbed a

901
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,559
hammer and started hitting her with it, claiming to be

902
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:04,639
defending himself.

903
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,079
Speaker 26: But this morning, during closing arguments, prosecutors told jurors Humbley

904
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:11,840
concocted the story, hoping to create doubt.

905
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 31: He beat her, He stomped on her, and then he

906
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,960
strangled her. He then had to get rid of the

907
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,960
only witness who came to the house, Denise Johnson.

908
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,519
Speaker 4: Hunley's defense was weak and almost laughable, and after closing arguments,

909
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:31,760
the jury had their say.

910
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 26: After just three and a half hours of deliberation, jurders

911
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,119
returned their verdicts shortly after two this afternoon.

912
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: We the jury find the dependent Lands Hunley guilty of

913
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,280
aggravated murder and.

914
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 28: Violation of a hire us.

915
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 26: Humley sat motionless and quiet as the verdicts were read aloud,

916
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,639
guilty in the premeditated death of Erica Huff, the attempted

917
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,239
murderer of the victim's mother, and aggravated arson for setting

918
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,639
fire to the crime scene.

919
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: The verdict surprised no one, except maybe for Hunley, guilty

920
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,599
on all counts, but the jury had one more decision

921
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,320
to make. Would Lance get to live in the cozy

922
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,920
little jail cell or would he pay the ultimate price

923
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,760
for his crimes.

924
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,039
Speaker 26: Just last week, a Mahoning County jury determined that a

925
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:24,639
man from Youngstown should die for his crimes. This morning,

926
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,920
Judge Moore and Sweeney determined Lance Hunley offered absolutely nothing

927
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:33,559
during his trials to offset that. This morning, she upheld

928
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:36,639
the jury's decision that he should die for the murder

929
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,840
of Erica Huff back in November of twenty fifteen, as

930
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,639
well as the attempted murder of Huff's mother than East Johnson.

931
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 4: Naturally, Hunley appealed the conviction and the death sentence. In

932
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,960
a unanimous decision, the Ohio Supreme Court upheld both. As

933
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:56,800
of April twenty twenty five, Lance Hunley sits on death

934
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,519
row in Ross County, Ohio. Of course, in today's world

935
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:05,880
and in the state of Ohio, no execution date has

936
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,719
been set, because haven't you heard suicidal empathies all the

937
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,199
rage these days? Despite the overwhelming evidence against him, only

938
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,480
has never once admitted to what he did. He probably

939
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,519
never will, He's maintained, is in a sense, leaving the

940
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,039
question of why unanswered I.

941
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 12: Think Lance committed this crime because Erica was pressuring him

942
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,960
to leave and wanted him to leave, and he had

943
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,760
nowhere else to go. I don't know what was going

944
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,760
on in his head that he felt he couldn't go

945
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,719
back to Washington, d C. Where he was from. But

946
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,599
apparently in his mind he was backed into a corner

947
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and this is the only way out.

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Speaker 8: What exactly triggered him, we don't know. You know, he

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would not confess to this crime, but you know, we

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believe he was upset that she was asking to move

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out of the house.

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Speaker 7: Else.

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Speaker 8: You know, with my experience and what I felt on

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this case, he was the social path that he was.

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He just you know, snapped and started, you know, strangling

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her and beating her. No reason whatsoever they do what

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he did to such a severely handicapped woman.

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Speaker 4: Prosecutors and detectives have their theories about Hunley's motive. They

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believe that Lance had been struggling financially, and when Erica

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told him that he had to move out, something inside

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of him snapped. Ironically, if anyone had a right to

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feel beaten down by life, it was Erica. Multiple sclerosis

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had stolen her ability to walk, her independence and even

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her ability to care for her own daughter. But she

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never once let that turn her into a monster, not

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like Hunley, who, on the other hand, let his bitterness

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fester into something deadly. That's what entitlement does to people.

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They think they're owed by the world, and when they

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don't get what they want want, he decided to just

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go ahead and take it anyway. After the attack, Erica's

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mother shared her own theory when that dug even deeper

972
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into what might have driven Hunley to kill.

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Speaker 2: Because we were not his friends. We were everything I

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think he wanted and didn't have. And then here I

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go a week before getting a b of and he says, well,

976
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why didn't you get a Mercedes? I got what I wanted,

977
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you want and what I've worked.

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Speaker 15: For, And your husband worked all his life exactly.

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Speaker 8: Both your children are well educated college graduates working in.

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Speaker 28: Their lives, and we did we wanted.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm getting want in this spring. I said, well,

982
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you do what you want to do, you know, But

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he was I could see the resentment.

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Speaker 7: In his eyes.

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Speaker 2: He hated us. We were everything in life that he

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may have wanted and didn't.

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Speaker 4: It seems that a toxic mix of jealousy, resentment, alcohol,

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and eviction pushed Hunley over the edge. He brutally beat

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a disabled woman to death and then turned his fury

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on a sixty eight year old mother, nearly killing her

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as well. Through it all, Hunley never stopped to consider

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one simple fact. Erica was one of the only people

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in this world that had ever shown him kindness. She'd

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given him a home when he needed one. She didn't

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have to, but she did, and that kindness was repaid

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with disgusting, brutal violence.

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Speaker 15: I mean, the goodness of her their daughter allowed him

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to come there.

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Speaker 19: Yes, and he's been living there for about a month, right,

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and he even had his own bedroom there.

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Speaker 8: She was, I'm saying, think he just prayed upon her.

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You know, I need somewhere to live. I'm your I'm

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your daughter's uncle. You know, just preyed upon her vulnerability.

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And you know, probably she was probably a nice, sweet person,

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you know, felt felt bad.

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Speaker 14: For the guy.

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Speaker 4: But like many of us, Erica Huff believed in kindness.

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She thought helping someone in need was the right thing

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to do. It's what all those PBS specials tried to

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teach us. Remember, But when she opened her door to

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a monster named Lance Hundley. She unknowingly let evil inside

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her home, inside her life, and then it took her life,

1013
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nearly silencing her mother as well in a brutal attempt

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to erase the truth. But Denise survived. She fought through

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unbearable pain to tell her daughter's story, to ensure that

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Hunley would never harm another person again, and perhaps to

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teach all of us a very important lesson. In the end,

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her voice put him exactly where he belonged on death row.

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Erica's murder is a chilling reminder that evil doesn't always

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announce itself. Sometimes it wears the face of someone you trust,

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and sometimes the kindest hearts pay the highest price. Are

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you a true crime fanatic? You wake up at three

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guy that runs this place is kind of an asshole.

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I'm going to go launder seventeen thousand dollars through a

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Speaker 1: Stay safe,