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Speaker 1: easy beat. Welcome to the twenty sixth episode of Poetry
Speaker 1: three sixty or should I call that Rugby League Poetry
Speaker 1: three sixty or maybe I should call it John Super
Speaker 1: League Poetry three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top
Speaker 1: tier of British rugby league. My name is Lee Addison.
Speaker 1: Am I I say you're copying your hero John? You've
Speaker 1: got glasses on all or they are a bit wonky.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that affects your vision. You've You've
Speaker 1: got a straighten up mate, you know if you want
Speaker 1: to look good like me. I'm a coach in Australia,
Speaker 1: John a journalist in the UK. Please read the descriptions
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Speaker 1: Rugby league dot com? John, I believe we are, Yes, regularly. Okay.
Speaker 1: I've got a surprise for you. I didn't prepare you
Speaker 1: for this, but there's a reason for that. I want
Speaker 1: your instant reactions. Jordan Melling, you may remember, wrote to
Speaker 1: us about a month ago with some points about touch
Speaker 1: rugby in England. Well, he's been back in touch as
Speaker 1: Jordan and he called it a ramp. So this is
Speaker 1: Lee's laugh, but also also there's some interesting points in here.
Speaker 1: He called it a ramp, but I've called it the
Speaker 1: Melling Manifesto. Okay. So he wrote me a big long
Speaker 1: email highly hope you're well, just listening to this week's episode,
Speaker 1: and wanted to give you my unsolicited ideas on how
Speaker 1: to improve British rugby league. Wanted to know both your
Speaker 1: thoughts as fellow rugby league realist, stroke tragics. First one
Speaker 1: shortened the season, improve the product, and he says rugby
Speaker 1: league is way too intense of a sport to play
Speaker 1: the games they are currently playing. Stars are constantly injured
Speaker 1: portions of the season like any meaning or intensity. I
Speaker 1: would get rid of Magic Weekend as a quick fix
Speaker 1: for this. Its purpose was to promote the sport in
Speaker 1: non rugby league areas. You turn up the utilized road
Speaker 1: games like Doubling Doubleheaded next year instead. I would also
Speaker 1: cut four games from the season bottom fourth in the
Speaker 1: previous season, only play the top four once rather than
Speaker 1: home and away. This would also mean we can align
Speaker 1: the season with the NRL.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's some interesting points. I do agree
Speaker 2: about shorting the season. I think it is i ridiculous
Speaker 2: the intense sport and we don't probably see the stars
Speaker 2: of the gaming off on the field because of injuries
Speaker 2: and burn out and things like that. I love the
Speaker 2: on the road concept. I think we should have been
Speaker 2: doing it. I know we've done for ages. I think
Speaker 2: we should be doing it more. We need to promote
Speaker 2: it properly. Vegas, Paris, Doublin, there's lots of other places.
Speaker 2: Whether you get rid of Magic Weekend, I'm not so
Speaker 2: sure about that. I do like Magic Weekend, But if
Speaker 2: we're going on the road, maybe three or four cities,
Speaker 2: new cities every year, then I can understand why we
Speaker 2: would part that, and it would have to be a
Speaker 2: central event as opposed to clubs organizing their own on
Speaker 2: the road games.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to pretend in response to your answer
Speaker 1: that I'm Nigel Wood or whoever the new see always
Speaker 1: because I believe they're still not announced it. Obviously I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about the bottom line. So we scrap games, or
Speaker 1: if I'm a club chairman, club owner, we scrap games.
Speaker 1: That means less income. How do you bring that back in? Secondly,
Speaker 1: in terms of Magic Weekend, I think there's a genuine
Speaker 1: conversation to be had about that because I do think
Speaker 1: Rugby league fans are being are being forced to pay
Speaker 1: for too much now and I think something like the
Speaker 1: Challenge Cup is being affected so that I think out
Speaker 1: of the Las Vegas Magic Weekend trips to Dublin or
Speaker 1: France Grand Final Challenge Cups, finishing bottom of the pile,
Speaker 1: I think in terms of the crowd, so I think
Speaker 1: they've got that balance slightly wrong. So there's a few
Speaker 1: ways they've got to be imaginative, and I can do
Speaker 1: person as a rule, So I think, you know, let's
Speaker 1: come up with a big game package where people can
Speaker 1: just buy the big games for a discounted price or
Speaker 1: something like that, because that's the problem, and that's the
Speaker 1: problem with Jordan's manifesto, the Melling manifesto. Somebody at the RFL,
Speaker 1: somebody at the clubs is always going to come back
Speaker 1: with a business a business reason why they can't do
Speaker 1: it or or why they're doing what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you on that. I think
Speaker 2: the discounting thing is interesting though, because that's what Rugby
Speaker 2: Leagu's done for ages, isn't. It's like, well, we can't
Speaker 2: move some tickets, so we'll give away twenty quid tickets
Speaker 2: or fifteen tickets or whatever. And in a way, well,
Speaker 2: I do understand that it kind of we're just sort
Speaker 2: of saying our product as an indirector or a kind
Speaker 2: of unconscious way of saying our product's not good enough.
Speaker 2: I think what we need to do is expand the
Speaker 2: fan base. And you are right, we are asking fans
Speaker 2: to pay for a lot, but we need to just
Speaker 2: we need more fans. We need to not just keep
Speaker 2: going to the same hardcore one hundred, one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand saying by this, by this, we need to
Speaker 2: you know, we need to double that and make it
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Okay, I agree, but not all of that hardcore are
Speaker 1: coming either, So there's a reason for that, and I
Speaker 1: would I would have thought in the cost of living
Speaker 1: crisis that we seem to have been in for five
Speaker 1: years now, that would be a problem. So I don't
Speaker 1: think I don't think there's any problem when I say discounting,
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything about bringing it down to fifteen
Speaker 1: pounds or twenty pounds. I'll just you know, let's say
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you pay for a big
Speaker 1: game ticket? One hundred pounds. Let's just use that as
Speaker 1: an example. Five big events. You knock it down to
Speaker 1: four hundred if you're going to go to all five
Speaker 1: and you've essentially got a mini season ticket right for
Speaker 1: those big events. The other thing is you can have loyalty,
Speaker 1: so the more you spend, so if you've got season
Speaker 1: ticket at your club, then you you qualify for this
Speaker 1: extra discount kind of thing. So I just need to
Speaker 1: think laterally as a game. And also because there's definitely
Speaker 1: there's definitely a reason why the Challenge Cup is slipping off.
Speaker 1: Definitely a reason. I think one of them is financial. Now,
Speaker 1: if the Challenge Cup final was in Manchester, I think
Speaker 1: we'd get twenty thousand more fans just because Yeah, in
Speaker 1: Manchester quite possibly. Yeah, bring back the War of the
Speaker 1: Roses is point two of mister Melling's manifesto. The sport
Speaker 1: needs more eyeballs and also needs a competitive trial for England.
Speaker 1: I don't know by saying bring back the War of
Speaker 1: the Roses if you want Yorkshire and Lancashire to genuinely
Speaker 1: have a war or the Rugby League a rugby league
Speaker 1: version of it. But he says, have some humility and
Speaker 1: copy and paste state of origin. I think I know
Speaker 1: what it means. Now, trial it with a one off
Speaker 1: game first and grow a huge opportunity. Mister pre ashes
Speaker 1: when people argued between Connor and Lewis, struck Williams and
Speaker 1: Smith as halfbacks. Lean into the Yorkshire Lancashire rivalry again,
Speaker 1: encourage leniency on the biff. People want to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably a little bit on the fence on
Speaker 2: this one, Lee because I know it's been tried before.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you would have been across it when it
Speaker 2: was around. Really caught fire, did it? I know there
Speaker 2: is a rivalry between Yorkshire and Lancashire. Is it that strong?
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not sure. My other concern is unlike Australia,
Speaker 2: where I mean it happens to at least recently, probably
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the players have come from New
Speaker 2: south Well and Queensland. In England there's a bit more variety,
Speaker 2: isn't it. Like where do the Cumbrians? Where do they fit? So?
Speaker 2: Where do the people? Where are the people from London?
Speaker 2: You know where they're from, Murdyside like it's I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as clear Carda's origin to your
Speaker 2: first point about it didn't really work. They didn't do
Speaker 2: it very well.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember, yeah, the two thousand and two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, two thousand and two, I think it
Speaker 1: was Origin series that they had and the players were
Speaker 1: played on a Sunday. They were in camp with the
Speaker 1: teams on a Monday and playing on the Friday, so
Speaker 1: there was no training the sort of going on. I
Speaker 1: remember the Lancashire Origin players from Wigan telling me that
Speaker 1: Ian Millward basically took him on the drink for two
Speaker 1: days to bond them so that clubs aren't going to
Speaker 1: enjoy that, et cetera, et cetera. Now I want to
Speaker 1: combine Jordan's Sorry, mister Mellings because we need to get
Speaker 1: the Mellings manifesto. Thinking, I want to combine his first
Speaker 1: two points. If there's some way we can make money
Speaker 1: out of a break in the season for something like this,
Speaker 1: and that might include something else, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: if we can have some kind of financial incentive for
Speaker 1: clubs to promote this and get something back from it,
Speaker 1: then I think it's worth a discussion. I said that
Speaker 1: twenty six years ago and I still believe in that
Speaker 1: concept again. And I think one of the things rugby
Speaker 1: league gets very wrong in England is that we try
Speaker 1: and deny that we're a northern sport. Well being a
Speaker 1: northern sport is actually the core of what we are
Speaker 1: as a sport. Coronation Street is unapologetically northern and it's
Speaker 1: a worldwide phenomenon. Trust me, people still watch it in Australia.
Speaker 1: So and that's on the other side of the of
Speaker 1: the of the rock that we inhabit. So and I
Speaker 1: assume all of Asia are just obsessed with Coronation Street.
Speaker 1: But my point being is is is it's it's proudly northern,
Speaker 1: whereas we seem to struggle with that. So the Yorkshire
Speaker 1: Lancashire rivalry has only died off because nobody plays on
Speaker 1: it anymore. And I think there'll be many people in
Speaker 1: Yorkshire who still think about Yorkshire as a republic and
Speaker 1: anything on the other side of the Pennines is a
Speaker 1: problem to them. So whereas I think, I think Lancashire
Speaker 1: as a rule has probably become a bit more manchester centric,
Speaker 1: probably as a result of having a couple of Manchester mayors.
Speaker 2: So having all the borders change and keep changing every
Speaker 2: twenty thirty years as well, you know Cheshire, and.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't tell anybody in Saddleworth. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: this is above my pay grade.
Speaker 2: But if the borders keep changing, it kind of makes
Speaker 2: your identity to a particular area a bit fluid. I
Speaker 2: think the point that, as you said, Darfl, I've done
Speaker 2: it before and they didn't really do it properly. I
Speaker 2: had zero faith that if we did it now it
Speaker 2: would work. I think the only way it could possibly
Speaker 2: work is if we outsourced it to And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it has to be the homes, but say Eddie
Speaker 2: Hearn and you say, look, can you you know we'll
Speaker 2: give you this event. Do what you want with it,
Speaker 2: have fun with it. I think we'd need a completely
Speaker 2: fresh approach and a very different way to you know,
Speaker 2: to market it and to get media engaged. And we
Speaker 2: did a broadcaster to back it as well, and I
Speaker 2: don't think there's really a broadcaster in the UK who's
Speaker 2: arguably that interested. I mean, we we'd probably have to
Speaker 2: go with a full social social media approach, you know,
Speaker 2: stream it live on YouTube, you know, instagram the shit
Speaker 2: out of it and do it that way. But I
Speaker 2: don't think there's probably the current knowledge in the game
Speaker 2: for that to happen.
Speaker 1: Point number three of the Melling Manifesto social media promo.
Speaker 1: Whoever is in charge of the Super League Instagram account
Speaker 1: needs to be relieved of their duties and mid immediate.
Speaker 1: That's a bit harsh again, copy and paste the NRL,
Speaker 1: post the scores and the hits as soon as they can.
Speaker 1: Every reel is embarrassing and corny. I'm just having a
Speaker 1: look at it now. I don't think it's that bad.
Speaker 1: One thing about social media is everybody under the age
Speaker 1: of thirty five ish has an opinion on him. Opinions.
Speaker 1: Opinions on social media are like oursehols. Everybody under thirty
Speaker 1: five has got one.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: I've just I've just had a cursiory glance at the
Speaker 1: two at the two accounts, and I can't see that
Speaker 1: much to separate.
Speaker 2: I think, I think the difference I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: Instagram specifically, but I think the difference with the NRL
Speaker 2: is the they're very good and quick at getting up
Speaker 2: the best moments, the best try is the big hits online,
Speaker 2: like five minutes after they happen in a game. Well,
Speaker 2: in Super League, it might take a day, it might
Speaker 2: take two days, it might not happen. So I think
Speaker 2: that's something in the future we should be employing someone
Speaker 2: or a couple of people who's literally their job is
Speaker 2: just to click, you know, get the highlights, the talking
Speaker 2: points of the drama out and clip that up and
Speaker 2: get it across all social media.
Speaker 1: And I think it's about knowledge of social media, and
Speaker 1: it's also about knowledge of current employment systems. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can literally get somebody overseas to do this for pittance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: A complicated you know, I film the occasional grab or
Speaker 2: interesting moment and put it on my channels, you know,
Speaker 2: because I think it might be newsworthy or whatever. But
Speaker 2: I don't religiously go through every game or innyview, but
Speaker 2: it wouldn't cost necessarily much at all.
Speaker 1: You know what the Super League are doing very well
Speaker 1: is it take long for five minute highlights to come
Speaker 1: onto YouTube, for example. So I think I think mister
Speaker 1: Melling has been a little bit harsh there. I do
Speaker 1: think some of these things can improve though. International mid
Speaker 1: season test is Melling's manifesto point number four England have
Speaker 1: to play a meaningful game mid year of pre planned
Speaker 1: international calendar for every four years has to be put
Speaker 1: in place.
Speaker 2: Again. In theory, I'd love to say it's a great idea.
Speaker 2: The reality, easily, like a lot of these things, is
Speaker 2: that the English game has no money. So who they're
Speaker 2: going to pay to get over? They can't afford to
Speaker 2: pay a team to fly over, you know, to Sydney
Speaker 2: to play or to go that way, so it isn't
Speaker 2: going to happen.
Speaker 1: Promote London drop Huddersfield, says mister Melling. Need a club
Speaker 1: in the capitol that now seem viable and properly back.
Speaker 1: Giants have offered little to nothing over the past five
Speaker 1: years five years and seem unlikely to be unlikely to
Speaker 1: be able to play anywhere, but Jewsbury unacceptable?
Speaker 2: Would you say that you'd want to unleash them in
Speaker 2: the championship.
Speaker 1: Well, if we're going to be current, they're actually not
Speaker 1: done too bad today, have they? Maybe maybe in urgence
Speaker 1: is on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was, I was at the game and
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll talk about that later, but that Yeah,
Speaker 2: they played very well and you had to feel for
Speaker 2: them losing that game in the last twelve seven eight
Speaker 2: seconds because they had a real dig. They shared a
Speaker 2: lot of all the character. Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 2: I think London should. I think we needed team in
Speaker 2: the capitol. I think Haddersfield have been flattering for years
Speaker 2: and I don't really you know that they're on field
Speaker 2: for fortunes may change, but I don't see the stadium
Speaker 2: or the fan base or you know, the leadership issue changing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd been favored that I don't want to
Speaker 2: see fifteen teams, but yeah, I could see the merits
Speaker 2: of Addersfield go down and London coming in for sure.
Speaker 1: Point number have forgotten the number. Thursday night games have
Speaker 1: to be local, no brainer. I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I mean you don't want to
Speaker 2: force or make people travel, you know, six hours or
Speaker 2: you know, four and a half hours on a on
Speaker 2: a word. I don't know if always that's going to
Speaker 2: be possible with scheduling, but I think we're possible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be That would be the beneficiar. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think the idea of the Thursday night game is
Speaker 2: we do struggle sometimes the crowds, but it's a perfect
Speaker 2: TV night for viewing. There's hardly any live sport on
Speaker 2: and then you know, that's the reason why it was created,
Speaker 2: and I think it fulfills that purpose.
Speaker 1: Either scrap the Captain's Challenge or give the video rep
Speaker 1: the tools to do it properly. More cameras, training to
Speaker 1: actually use the cameras themselves, rather than asking another blog
Speaker 1: to switch to camera five. Put a timer on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put a time. We've said that for weeks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Move Challenge Cup final back to August Bank Holiday. The
Speaker 1: comp originally was for teams that admiral chance of winning
Speaker 1: the league. Therefore the final was in May a line.
Speaker 1: It's somewhat with the summer season. We now have spread
Speaker 1: out the games more. If you supported Hull City and
Speaker 1: Hull k Are you'd have to go to Wembley twice
Speaker 1: in a week. If they move the Challenge Cup from Wembley,
Speaker 1: they may as well cancel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the Challenge Cup's got to
Speaker 2: have a regular date. Moving it around every year doesn't help.
Speaker 2: I think probably August or end of August is probably
Speaker 2: a bit late now considering we have what semifinals in
Speaker 2: September and a Grand Final in early October. I do
Speaker 2: like it at Wembley, but I think there is merits
Speaker 2: of taking on a bit of a road tip and
Speaker 2: maybe moving it around every couple of years as well,
Speaker 2: because as you've said about across the living crisis, whether
Speaker 2: there's Wembley fatigue or there's just people who aren't that
Speaker 2: fast with it anymore, the crowds are going down, and
Speaker 2: that does seem.
Speaker 1: To be I'm interested in the term crisis. I always
Speaker 1: thought of crisis was relatively short term, but like I said,
Speaker 1: this cost of living crisis been going on for about
Speaker 1: five years. Really well, I mean, maybe it's just a
Speaker 1: way of life.
Speaker 2: If you want to throw in the austerity stuff, I
Speaker 2: mean started around twenty ten. So yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you could just call it a malays a national malays
Speaker 2: that's just.
Speaker 1: Been in the UK Championship needs to become a feeder
Speaker 1: comb split in two divisions Queensland Cup and New South
Speaker 1: Wales Cup. Style can call it the Lancashire in New
Speaker 1: Yorkshire Cup for ceremonial purposes and split evenly. Not enough
Speaker 1: money in the sport for promotion relegation, but clubs applying
Speaker 1: and reviewing viability every four years could give them something
Speaker 1: to work towards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that was one of the
Speaker 2: proponents about having emerged Championship with League One is regional conferences,
Speaker 2: which which they didn't go with. I think they probably
Speaker 2: had more merit. I mean, you're still it's a really
Speaker 2: difficult one because you were still going to have I
Speaker 2: don't know, I guess say London are in the same
Speaker 2: division as Midlands Hurricanes, you know, or North Wales you
Speaker 2: still might have one hundred and thirty real schooline, mightn't you.
Speaker 2: So I think basically we need a division for full
Speaker 2: time teams and we need a division for part time
Speaker 2: teams and never the Twains should meet. Really apart from
Speaker 2: the Challenge Cup, there's still too many semi pro teams
Speaker 2: I think, and that's a really difficult one to sort out.
Speaker 1: So thank you to Jordan Melling. If somebody's going to
Speaker 1: take the time to write in such detail towards then
Speaker 1: we'll do. We'll always endeavor to go to town on it.
Speaker 1: And after that though, John, I mean, we're about twenty
Speaker 1: minutes in, we probably need a high hydration break as
Speaker 1: per the current World Cup that's going on. Even when
Speaker 1: we don't need one, they have one. And the other
Speaker 1: thing I want to know about hydration break, it's a
Speaker 1: drinks break.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, unless they're going to inject themselves with liquid,
Speaker 1: then it's a drinks break, isn't it and you will
Speaker 1: consume it via mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if that are they eating the
Speaker 2: odd pickle or something? Isn't that true? Yeah? But you
Speaker 2: outright it is a drinks break. Maybe hydration just sounds
Speaker 2: more scientific.
Speaker 1: Change the order on your I'm just I'm just keeping
Speaker 1: you on your toes. John. Review of games from the
Speaker 1: last round now Wakefield twenty nine today? Oh sorry, twenty
Speaker 1: was it twenty nine or was it twenty.
Speaker 2: It was twenty nine, It wasn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Because the BBC has two different scores, it was.
Speaker 2: Twenty Sorry, it was twenty nine to twenty seven I
Speaker 2: was at the game. Yeah, sorry, twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Twenty three b Yeah, this is great, This is great
Speaker 1: reporting from us. Both last last ditch interception try to
Speaker 1: give Wayfield the winn and apparently it was a bit
Speaker 1: back and forth tries from Johnston mcneek and Simfield. Rourke
Speaker 1: scored two, Jowett kicked four goals and Simfield kicked the
Speaker 1: field goal. Fresh from getting his knighthood, Simfield kicked a
Speaker 1: goal from Wakefield. Huddersfield's twenty three from Gaguy Geyer and
Speaker 1: o'donald Jesus three. Three greats her names there from from
Speaker 1: Australian rugby league folklore and Swift. Swift used to playing
Speaker 1: goal for Man City and the fifties. Apparently my dad
Speaker 1: told me about him. Maybe the forties goals were from
Speaker 1: Franny Flanagan junior who got three and Russell got a
Speaker 1: drop goal. You were at the game, so you should
Speaker 1: talk about it. I suppose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it a game. It was. It was
Speaker 2: a really entertaining game. Wakefield went up ten yll early
Speaker 2: and you thought, okay, yeah, this is going to be
Speaker 2: a hiding for Hoddersfield, and then Hoddersfield scored two quick tries,
Speaker 2: took the lead and then it was basically tip out
Speaker 2: the whole game. You know, I don't think wait for
Speaker 2: or at their best, but you know, they did play
Speaker 2: some good stuff at times in Huddersfield. As I said,
Speaker 2: we're really gritty. They you know, showed a lot more
Speaker 2: backbone than they have all season. And then Wakefield were
Speaker 2: ahead and then it got back to being tired and Sinfield,
Speaker 2: with about ten minutes to go, kick the drop goal
Speaker 2: that no one really saw. It was kind of you know,
Speaker 2: usually you can anticipate when I drop goal or got
Speaker 2: field goals coming. No one really saw this coming. He
Speaker 2: knocked it over and we thought, okay, well, you know,
Speaker 2: Wakefield probably going to get the win. And then there
Speaker 2: was about a minute and a half to go. Huddersfield
Speaker 2: was throwing the ball around, weren't really going anywhere, and
Speaker 2: then only Russell steps up drops a field goal and
Speaker 2: we're tied up with about a minute or less than
Speaker 2: a minute left and we think, okay, we'll go on
Speaker 2: to golden point here and then Wakefield kick off. Huddersfield
Speaker 2: bring the ball out from their trial line and Russell
Speaker 2: throws a bit of a long pass and roke intercept
Speaker 2: certain scores with about seventy seconds left in the game
Speaker 2: wins the game for Wed. It was Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: very entertaining. It was a heartbreaking for hardest Field, but
Speaker 2: a sellout crowd at the do i Ware Kitchens on
Speaker 2: a pretty warm summer day and it was yeah, quite
Speaker 2: a good game, I thought.
Speaker 1: Warrington eighteen Catalan sixteen on Thursday. I think it was
Speaker 1: tries from Ashton, Hopowarti Bentley and three goals from Irwin
Speaker 1: for Warrington. Catalan sixteen came from Lipovich, Coatrick and Dodd
Speaker 1: and a goal from Oh sorry, two goals from Aspurrol
Speaker 1: Beche Catalan's beata Warrington side that I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of injury problems at the moment, I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched this game. It was a terrible game,
Speaker 2: to be honest. It was just a mistake after mistake
Speaker 2: era drop ball. Yeah, it was a real bludder of
Speaker 2: a game. I think in the most memorable bits were
Speaker 2: Aspiro Bouge obviously the tackle on Aaron Linda that was
Speaker 2: it was ugly, you know.
Speaker 1: Linda's hip drop related thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was kind of awkward. He kind
Speaker 2: of fell and he tried to trip him with his leg.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't pa seic conventional hip drop, but it
Speaker 2: was just clumsy and he lind up, go down and scream.
Speaker 2: And now my understanding is that I don't think he's
Speaker 2: done his a cla a cl Again, it's not as
Speaker 2: serious as first feared, so that hopefully is is good news.
Speaker 2: But it was horrible to see, particularly for a young
Speaker 2: boat who's just come back. And then later on that game,
Speaker 2: Aspera Boujo makes a break instead of you know, pinsy's
Speaker 2: his back, instead of sort of looking around for support,
Speaker 2: he just tries to score on the corner. You and
Speaker 2: Irwin makes a great tackle and Aspiro Bouja is on
Speaker 2: the ground and then he passes the ball off the
Speaker 2: ground which is a penalty, and you know, the basically
Speaker 2: kind of threw the catland through the w away. It
Speaker 2: was damn playing and you know it was the ending
Speaker 2: of a pretty poor game. But look what warrant and
Speaker 2: good at the doubt. They had quite a few injuries
Speaker 2: a young team, so.
Speaker 1: It sounds like there's something to take for both teams
Speaker 1: there though. I mean Catalans would have been big underdogs
Speaker 1: to go to Warrington and come away with the points
Speaker 1: and then they've got them close and Warrington have had
Speaker 1: to dig deep for the win because of their injuries,
Speaker 1: so plenty to take for both teams. Say yes, you
Speaker 1: could state that, thank you. I did cast off at
Speaker 1: fourteen York twenty good result for York. Tries from Vallamey
Speaker 1: who got a double, Gary Garry and Weave, a kicked
Speaker 1: to goal York's twenty from Hunter Field and off a
Speaker 1: Luma Galiano and Hunter kicked two goals late scare for York.
Speaker 2: Very late. Yeah, first York win in a long time,
Speaker 2: so very important result for them. I was at the
Speaker 2: league game, so I only saw the highlights, but yeah,
Speaker 2: very very very important win after everything that's been gone on,
Speaker 2: which we'll talk about it a bit financially, and after
Speaker 2: they got absolutely batted by Wiggan the week before, so
Speaker 2: a gretty performance and cast will be disappointed that they
Speaker 2: couldn't real that winning. They had a late late surge
Speaker 2: right at the end, but Gary Gary dropped the ball
Speaker 2: just over the line right I think with about two
Speaker 2: minutes ago.
Speaker 1: The Lee Addison kiss of death are struck again. So
Speaker 1: on do the luth Carry Zero Tackle podcast? And whenever
Speaker 1: a praise anybody coaching wise or whatever. They then go
Speaker 1: on a six match losing run. Or if I write
Speaker 1: an article and if you remember last week were both
Speaker 1: praised Castleford and they're sort of yes, lidified approached in
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and we both tipped Castleford to
Speaker 1: win this too, so we did. Yeah, the Lee Addison
Speaker 1: kiss of death. Leeds thirty four who KR eight, That
Speaker 1: was a big result. I look twice when I saw that.
Speaker 1: The other day tries from Hankinson Siva only scored two.
Speaker 1: They probably need to send him back home. He was
Speaker 1: only scored two. Connor and Hanley scored a try each
Speaker 1: and then Connor kicked seven goals. Jo krs eight came
Speaker 1: from Booth and two Martin goals. Huge result, huge result.
Speaker 1: Microsivo is on twenty seven tries. Now the early in
Speaker 1: Island of Super League.
Speaker 2: The crazy thing is actually did quite a good job
Speaker 2: on Sevo. They got Tom Davies, got right up in
Speaker 2: his face and closed him down in one of the chances,
Speaker 2: and then I think another one they got about three
Speaker 2: bodies over and stopped him in the corner. So they
Speaker 2: actually did reason be well. But yeah, this was the
Speaker 2: Jake Connor show. Leads were very good whole car a
Speaker 2: lot of mistakes, a lot of stupid things, not kicking
Speaker 2: the ball out in touch to be the Panguy junior,
Speaker 2: trying to you know, open up a salon and give
Speaker 2: out facials. There's some dumb play from whole KR who
Speaker 2: were missing, you know, Jesse Lytton and so us So
Speaker 2: Sue and Spurgess and Luckily, but they just weren't, you know,
Speaker 2: at their best. Whole KR and Leeds you know, gave
Speaker 2: them a bit of a lesson and you know, you know,
Speaker 2: Leeds Leads are definitely the team to be along with
Speaker 2: Wigan and the competition at the moment. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a bit of a arguably a two horse race
Speaker 2: at the moment Wig in one without being great over
Speaker 2: the weekend. But yeah, they're the two teams that are
Speaker 2: quite hot and Leads are deservedly at the top of
Speaker 2: the competition.
Speaker 1: Well, f C, we're close against Wigan and I believe
Speaker 1: Andy Last had something to complain about all left. He's
Speaker 1: sixteen Wigan, twenty tries for Hull for Martin Baron cart
Speaker 1: Wright and two goals from Herdacre, but that wasn't enough
Speaker 1: to beat Wigan, who scored tries from Eckersley, Hodgkinson, Kieran
Speaker 1: scored his weekly try, and Smith and Kieran kicked two goals.
Speaker 1: What was Andy Last complaining about.
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't at the game. It was Steve Nascod's
Speaker 2: story that one, but I believe it was to do
Speaker 2: with the the clock disappoint disappearing sorry at several points
Speaker 2: during the game. And I think he was also complaining
Speaker 2: about the stoppages. Whether it was a bit of games
Speaker 2: and ship from the opposition, I'm not really exactly sure,
Speaker 2: but I think, Look, I don't think Wigan were at
Speaker 2: the try five minutes in. They did enough to you know,
Speaker 2: to come back and you know, get to win. I
Speaker 2: think there was a lovely set piece try from from
Speaker 2: a scrum and there was a there was a horrible
Speaker 2: kick I think it was Logan Moy the ball was
Speaker 2: going out, tried to tap it back in but just
Speaker 2: basically tapped it into Bed and French who scored a try.
Speaker 2: So they kind of work their own worst enemy at times.
Speaker 2: Andy Last was blaming those who run the stadium clock
Speaker 2: at the MKM stadium, which is a different one. I
Speaker 2: haven't heard that really been blawing before.
Speaker 1: Where does the official time come from? Do they still
Speaker 1: have timekeepers who.
Speaker 2: I believe do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the clock is just the clock in the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that just for decoration for the fans?
Speaker 2: I imagine, Well, I think the clock on the game
Speaker 2: would be the game clock as well.
Speaker 1: You don't know. I suppose it depends on the technology available,
Speaker 1: doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think he's claim that the clock
Speaker 2: was not visible on the scoreboard during the formal moments,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I would imagine that's more of a stadium
Speaker 2: issue than it.
Speaker 1: But also also what a coach should do is keep
Speaker 1: his own time. Then in that regard as well, I've
Speaker 1: always done that as a coach.
Speaker 2: I Yeah, I don't think he's argument it was not
Speaker 2: about the coach kiding at was that his players couldn't.
Speaker 1: Say no, no, no, you just keep your own time and
Speaker 1: then you can you know. I mean, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, mistakes do happen sometimes too, So I
Speaker 1: mean there was nobody better than Alex Ferguson for telling
Speaker 1: the referee. This is the older United manager telling the
Speaker 1: referee when it was full time, so he didn't rely
Speaker 1: on stadium clocks or referees to determine what the time
Speaker 1: was he used to tell them. What I find interesting
Speaker 1: about the weekend too is Wigan, ok Are Warrington have
Speaker 1: all underperformed this weekend really, and they're all teams that
Speaker 1: are on the top end of the table, and therefore
Speaker 1: in the title conversation and I just think it speaks
Speaker 1: to remember last week or the week before, we spoke
Speaker 1: about how the score lines have blown out somewhat and
Speaker 1: it sort of goes in waves. Well, I think this
Speaker 1: is another little sign as well that some of these
Speaker 1: teams pushing for elite standards each week are struggling to
Speaker 1: keep up with it. To lose sixteen Lee forty Lee
Speaker 1: are more of a chaser, right, so their momentum is
Speaker 1: moving them forward at the moment. Leeds, I suppose, have
Speaker 1: been somewhat inconsistent at times, so they're on an upward
Speaker 1: trend at the moment. To lose tries came from kay Ward,
Speaker 1: Butler and Renny and two goals to Sharracks, and Lee's
Speaker 1: forty came four from Charmly Alec WAYNK Senior and New
Speaker 1: and Horn scored the rest of the tries and Cook
Speaker 1: scored for some great names there too, so Charley, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he was playing twenty years ago, senior related to
Speaker 1: Keith senior. Obviously, New is the same surname as David
Speaker 1: New who started the game or a league in America.
Speaker 1: And obviously there's been a few Horns and Cooks in
Speaker 1: rugby league as well. Some great names there are you
Speaker 1: across this game, John, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't say much of it, no, but I mean I
Speaker 2: think it went as pretty much everyone would have predicted
Speaker 2: another win for Lee. You know, they're on a bit
Speaker 2: of a role at the moment. They're doing well. I'm
Speaker 2: really putting some pressure now on Karen sixth just two
Speaker 2: points below them in seventh and to loose, you know
Speaker 2: pretty much. I mean they can score a couple of
Speaker 2: tries to usually most games, but defensively, yeah, shipping forty
Speaker 2: points it's never a good sign, but.
Speaker 1: You know, in conditions into lose as well. Apparently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been hot all over Europe and I imagine
Speaker 2: it was very hot in the seth.
Speaker 1: Of France Bradford ten Saint Helen's forty tries to Bradford
Speaker 1: Stein Weed and six goals sorry six points from goals
Speaker 1: at King Kick one and Hooly got two. Saint Helen's
Speaker 1: forty came from Douglas Syon and Wellsby scored to try.
Speaker 1: Shorrecks and Hastings with the other try scorers. Hastings got
Speaker 1: eight goals and the BBC described this as an nutritional contest,
Speaker 1: which yeah, I didn't. It goes against the score line,
Speaker 1: I suppose, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't really see much of this either,
Speaker 2: but you know, halftime ten twelve, well Bradford behind just
Speaker 2: by two points and then Saint Helen's put on twenty
Speaker 2: eight points in the second half. That pretty resounding domination
Speaker 2: in that second half. I thought Bradford would have given
Speaker 2: him a bit more of a battle. So disappointing for
Speaker 2: the Bulls, but so Helens. I think that's second win
Speaker 2: I a round now after a tough period and things
Speaker 2: that are going off the field, and I'm sure we'll
Speaker 2: talk about in a bit. So a good victory for them.
Speaker 1: So everyone's played sixteen games apart from Hulkingston, Rovers and Warrington.
Speaker 1: When are they going to catch that up? By the way,
Speaker 1: it is a good question. I think it's been announced
Speaker 1: stopping day.
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure off the top of my head
Speaker 2: when it is, but yeah, that was the the game
Speaker 2: that had to be moved because of the World Cup challenge.
Speaker 1: What will they do? Will they play that on a
Speaker 1: Wednesday or something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that, I believe. Wow.
Speaker 1: But everyone's played sixteen apart from those two, so Leads
Speaker 1: are top on twenty six, Warrington second on twenty four,
Speaker 1: which is good considering they've only played fifteen, Wig going
Speaker 1: a third on twenty two. The other two on twenty
Speaker 1: two are Wakefield who were in fourth and Saint Helens
Speaker 1: in fifth. We then go to Hulkington Rovers in sixth
Speaker 1: who are on twenty points, but like I said, one
Speaker 1: less game. Lei Leppards seventh on eighteen, Catalans are on
Speaker 1: sixteen in eight. Castleford are still in ninth on twelve.
Speaker 1: All left c in tenth and their level with Bradford
Speaker 1: Bulls on eleventh, both on ten points to lose are
Speaker 1: in twelfth with eight. They're also level with York Knights
Speaker 1: who are thirteenth with eight and then Huddersfield Giants still
Speaker 1: prop was up.
Speaker 2: York.
Speaker 1: That result that they got John was in the shadow
Speaker 1: of what has emerged this week. They might have some
Speaker 1: financial issues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, in exclusive in the online on Thursday
Speaker 2: and in the paper on Friday. People can go out
Speaker 2: and read it. But effectively, the Notts and Bolt of
Speaker 2: the story is that York did confirm to me that
Speaker 2: they asked for a advance on their monthly central distribution
Speaker 2: in May, which is about fifty grand, to alleviate some
Speaker 2: financial issues. Now there's a comment from Clinton Goodchild in
Speaker 2: that story, but look, it's not a great look. I
Speaker 2: don't know. There's a lot of rumors swelling around York
Speaker 2: that has been we talked about last week. There has
Speaker 2: been for quite some time, nothing that's been substantiated at all.
Speaker 2: Obviously I was able to stand up this central distribution claim.
Speaker 2: I think the interesting bit is that when York So
Speaker 2: York applied to be in Super League last year, along
Speaker 2: with Toulouse and I think it was five other clubs,
Speaker 2: one of the conditions in their application was that they
Speaker 2: were going to have investment from new investors. Now that
Speaker 2: hasn't arrived yet. I think that's you know, that's an
Speaker 2: issue now. You know, it's not a great look for
Speaker 2: the panel that determined who would be coming into an
Speaker 2: expended Superlique. But you know, my hope is that York.
Speaker 2: You know, can can find their way out of it,
Speaker 2: and you know everything's run smoothly. No one wants to
Speaker 2: see and I think some people some things tend to
Speaker 2: think journalists like may love to see these stories. You
Speaker 2: know that we really get excited when people don't get
Speaker 2: paid and people you know, can't afford to pay their
Speaker 2: mortgages and they get ripped off players and stuff. No,
Speaker 2: we don't. No one wants to see a club struggle.
Speaker 2: No one wants to see anyone unpaid or you know,
Speaker 2: suffer through.
Speaker 1: These reality is though you could probably copy and paste
Speaker 1: a story, couldn't you, and just change the clubs, and.
Speaker 2: Well, the reality, the reality isily as you know, is
Speaker 2: that these things happen, and have happened at what five
Speaker 2: or six clubs in the last year or so, and
Speaker 2: you know, you're throwing a few more clubs as you go.
Speaker 2: For you it keeps happening. And so there's a common
Speaker 2: theme here and people might not want to read about it.
Speaker 2: But even if I don't, you know, it still happens.
Speaker 2: Whether you want to read about it or not. You
Speaker 2: can't stick your head in the sand. And I think
Speaker 2: that you know, pretend that it's not happening. So it
Speaker 2: kind of does go back to the expansion, which we
Speaker 2: all know is rush through. There wasn't a lot of detail.
Speaker 2: And also contributing now is the fact that your can
Speaker 2: to lose. I've only got half a central distribution that
Speaker 2: the other twelve clubs have, So how would.
Speaker 1: I when we need All we need to do is
Speaker 1: add a couple more teams to Super League and give
Speaker 1: them half the money that would make Why don't.
Speaker 2: We just give them no money like we did for Toronto?
Speaker 2: Just give them no money. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Your glasses, Your glasses are funny, John, When you look
Speaker 1: this way out of them, they make if you look
Speaker 1: through your lenses, it makes your head smaller inside your lenses.
Speaker 1: That's quite funny. People can watch that on that that's
Speaker 1: what people. That's right, that's right. So, yeah, the stronger
Speaker 1: you've never worn them before.
Speaker 2: A very strong man. I wear contact lenses. But the
Speaker 2: has been kicking my ass this week.
Speaker 1: But you've got you've got your wind screen wind screens
Speaker 1: on now.
Speaker 2: Anyway, getting back on points, Yeah, what we'll we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens with York in the new future. I think
Speaker 2: you know it raises big questions about you know, the
Speaker 2: finances in Super League of Clubs. You know, people quickly
Speaker 2: forget what happened with Salford last year and what a
Speaker 2: you know, what a nightmare that was for for over
Speaker 2: twelve months, and that situation that Salford started with them
Speaker 2: asking for an advance of central distribution in December twenty.
Speaker 1: Twenty four, promises of investment forthcoming.
Speaker 2: And yes, and I'm not saying the same thing is
Speaker 2: happening at York or will happen at York, but you know,
Speaker 2: you you'd be naive to not keep a close eye
Speaker 2: on what going on. What's going on and you know,
Speaker 2: ask questions.
Speaker 1: Now, what Melling didn't have in the Melling manifesto, what
Speaker 1: he should have is they should change the fixture list
Speaker 1: and should have made Saint Helen's play Wakefield this week
Speaker 1: because they were arguing off the field, so they might
Speaker 1: as well have had a boil on the field. What's
Speaker 1: going on there?
Speaker 2: Well, it's all about Harry robertson the well, I suppose
Speaker 2: we call him the utility. He can play fullback in
Speaker 2: six and center, but a young glad Harry Robinson was
Speaker 2: reported in the media a while back ago that Wakefield
Speaker 2: had had a bid for him, he's under contract, had
Speaker 2: a bid for him refused, and then later on, in
Speaker 2: a pretty much press conference a week or so ago,
Speaker 2: Darryl Powell confirmed that they'd had a bid and that
Speaker 2: it was rejected. And then on Friday there was a
Speaker 2: quite interesting statement put out by Saint Helen's claiming they'd
Speaker 2: never had any communication or contact about Harry Robinson, nor
Speaker 2: would they entertain it, and that they reported the matter
Speaker 2: to the RFL and that you know, further action quite
Speaker 2: be taken. So effectively they are accusing Wakefield of tapping
Speaker 2: up their player. Now, I read a bit of a
Speaker 2: column about this on Friday night, which is a free read.
Speaker 2: You can go out and read it on Patreon. It's
Speaker 2: not really about the Robinson case specifically, because I don't
Speaker 2: have any inside of knowledge of who you know, whether
Speaker 2: he's he was tapped up, or what's gone on there.
Speaker 2: But my point is that these things, in terms of
Speaker 2: player recruitment and players being tapped up, they happen all
Speaker 2: the timely, and I'm sure you know that it happens
Speaker 2: with coaches too, doesn't it. It happens with coaches. It's literally,
Speaker 2: and I mean it happens in football and in other sports,
Speaker 2: but it happens a lot in rugby league. And what
Speaker 2: is interesting for me is the fact that Saint Helen's
Speaker 2: have gone public about it because most clubs there's a
Speaker 2: bit of a gentleman's agreement in it that you asked
Speaker 2: for permission before you would talk to a player or
Speaker 2: a coach.
Speaker 1: But you need, you need, you need gentlemen to have
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: You could say that, but as I wrote in my
Speaker 2: in my piece, like literally this happens all the time
Speaker 2: and often what agents will do. And the interesting thing
Speaker 2: with you know, in the NRL is I think there's
Speaker 2: probably about forty player agents or more. Is it there's
Speaker 2: a cast of thousands.
Speaker 1: And eighty two hundred?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it's insane. There's while in England there's
Speaker 2: there's probably about ten and there's really three who have
Speaker 2: probably about eighty ninety percent of the playing pool and
Speaker 2: they do wield a lot of power and influence. And
Speaker 2: what you know some will do is they'll leak certain
Speaker 2: stories and this happens in Australia as well of course,
Speaker 2: to certain journalists to put restaurant clubs to sell their
Speaker 2: players and sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't generally see a club crying foul about this
Speaker 2: and asking the RFL to help them out. So that's
Speaker 2: that is an interesting one. I mean, Saint Helens are
Speaker 2: a very what's the word sensitive club to a statement
Speaker 2: when they're not happy and then adding more fuel to
Speaker 2: the fire. Was at the end of the Wakefield game
Speaker 2: today and Darryl Pearl was asked about it and he
Speaker 2: called them touchy.
Speaker 1: But also hasn't Lee Brias said something along the lines
Speaker 1: of them having lost their identity. Responding to that that,
Speaker 1: Matt Pete said about two.
Speaker 2: More tests, Yes, I believe early in the week he
Speaker 2: he said, we're going to play all these young players
Speaker 2: and you know, I guess we haven't lost their identity
Speaker 2: or something. So it's a really interesting time for Saint
Speaker 2: Helens because I think they're really on the defensive art there.
Speaker 2: They've had a few more long term staff leave there,
Speaker 2: their physio, you know, the strength and conditioning guy, the
Speaker 2: head of their academy. It's a real changing of the
Speaker 2: guard there, so they feel it feels like they're in
Speaker 2: a bit of transition and maybe they're you know, the
Speaker 2: they're struggling a bit it seems like they're getting it
Speaker 2: from all sides, and this is a bit of a
Speaker 2: response to that.
Speaker 1: Maybe sorry, John, we've done another twenty minutes and we
Speaker 1: didn't have a hydration break and I do apologize. You're
Speaker 1: not going to keel over at any point. Ye, all right,
Speaker 1: make sure you have your pickle. Is the Super League
Speaker 1: a two horse race, John, between Leeds and Wigan?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean quite possibly. I don't think, Okay, our
Speaker 2: chances of doing something this year are done, but they
Speaker 2: are looking a bit tired and not at the elite
Speaker 2: levels that they were last season. I think I still think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like the Broncos game. They can pull off a performance,
Speaker 2: but I think if we're looking at the whole season
Speaker 2: as a whole, leads and we're going to be in
Speaker 2: the most consistent Warrington had been very good, but I
Speaker 2: think without Williams and I've had a couple of other injuries,
Speaker 2: I think they're a young team who probably haven't got
Speaker 2: a experience to go all the way, but they could
Speaker 2: go very close. And I think Lakefield are building nicely
Speaker 2: but probably aren't ready to be trophy winners just yet
Speaker 2: as in this season, but I think they could. You know,
Speaker 2: go quite far in the semifinals.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about what's sorry? One?
Speaker 2: No, no, that that's what I was finished.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about Leeds and who k Are is well,
Speaker 1: obviously in the NRL penrith one four straight one four straight.
Speaker 1: But the year they went to Vegas, they didn't win
Speaker 1: that competition that year. M hmm. So in other words,
Speaker 1: one proof that if you look to Vegas, you don't
Speaker 1: win the NRL in super League. In Super League, Wigan
Speaker 1: went to Vegas slash year against Warrington, didn't win super
Speaker 1: League tailed off at the end. Who k Are Their
Speaker 1: start to their year could definitely be a actor in
Speaker 1: terms of them having to be ready for Vegas and
Speaker 1: the World Cup challenge. But Leeds also went to Vegas too,
Speaker 1: so it'd be very interesting to see how that all
Speaker 1: pans out.
Speaker 2: So basically you're saying that either Wigan or Warrington or
Speaker 2: someone else will win.
Speaker 1: No, no, I said, it is a study that I'm
Speaker 1: carrying out currently. It's a hypothesis that I'm testing.
Speaker 2: I think the interesting point with Leeds is they've smashed
Speaker 2: whole Gayer twice this year. I think they've beat them
Speaker 2: twice last year. They do seem to be a bit
Speaker 2: of a bogie team for HOLK and they do have.
Speaker 2: They play a much more expensive style and they've they've got,
Speaker 2: you know, some really great attacking weapons and I think
Speaker 2: they can they can play physical and they can play
Speaker 2: grinding footy, but they also like to offload and spread
Speaker 2: the balls, so they have got a few different levels
Speaker 2: to them, which you know, is a very confident team
Speaker 2: at the moment.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of Hull k R's performance or
Speaker 1: that the man in charge is not going to be
Speaker 1: in charge and they now on the phone to Nathan
Speaker 1: Kayala is trying to sort the contracts out for next
Speaker 1: year because he's confirmed as the new hul Kingston Rovers boss.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't I don't think that really. I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of fans say Willie Peters has already got
Speaker 2: his eyes on P and G. I think that's bollocks. Personally,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's any anything to do with it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they have confirmed Kalas. We did talk about
Speaker 2: this last week a fair bit. Obviously. I wrote the
Speaker 2: story on Sunday that he was the front runner and
Speaker 2: lo and behold, on Tuesday they announced it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a it's a surprising one. I don't think he's been
Speaker 2: a name at the forefront of head coaching jobs. Has
Speaker 2: he in the NRL or even in super recently? I
Speaker 2: think he was in a running or is it he
Speaker 2: put his name forward for the mainly job, but he
Speaker 2: was never mentioned publicly for the mainly job. So look,
Speaker 2: he might prove to be the great coach, A great
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be very hard to when
Speaker 2: you look at the gamble to gamble, every every appointment
Speaker 2: is a gable, isn't it.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking of gambles. Tyson has signed for the Catalans.
Speaker 2: Yes, with Toby Sexton going to Perth. They've been looking
Speaker 2: for a half and gamble. I'm told hadn't offer a
Speaker 2: kind of superlegg glass well for this year. Had an
Speaker 2: offer last year. I'm not sure which club, but he
Speaker 2: knocked that back and he I think he's played one
Speaker 2: n R Old game for the night, so he won't
Speaker 2: be staying in Newcastle and he will be heading to
Speaker 2: the south of France.
Speaker 1: There was a big blue this week, a big fight
Speaker 1: and there were swinging and they weren't hitting each other
Speaker 1: very much, but there was some There was some haymade.
Speaker 1: But you you shared a video. I've seen the full thing.
Speaker 1: I've got contacts and they've got the full thing. And
Speaker 1: not much happened after the bit that you showed. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: it was just a lot of kerfuffle. What was all
Speaker 1: that about, John?
Speaker 2: You're talking about the Thornhill the Driddlington. Yes, I have
Speaker 2: seen the full video. The reason I didn't publish that
Speaker 2: is because there's obviously children in the video and for
Speaker 2: safeguarding reasons. I know the RFL looking into it, they're investigating.
Speaker 2: But it's just a terrible look, isn't it. Lee Like
Speaker 2: if you're a volunteer or a coach or a parent
Speaker 2: at a at an under you know, the twelve year
Speaker 2: old amateur game, like why are you getting gang in
Speaker 2: there throwing punches? Like? I think.
Speaker 1: The similar issues in Australia, except that they don't always
Speaker 1: result in fifty cours, just gang related shootings. It comes
Speaker 1: down to society as much as as much as rugby
Speaker 1: league or any sport. So I understand why people get
Speaker 1: frustrated at sports because but it's it's just a vicious circle, right,
Speaker 1: So who would be a referee because of the abuse
Speaker 1: the cop so therefore you get people of less caliber
Speaker 1: or there were once at the bottom of the pile,
Speaker 1: get promoted, and then they make more errors because they're
Speaker 1: not as good, and so on and so forth, so that
Speaker 1: that causes problems on the day. There's rivalries, there's people
Speaker 1: who know each other, et cetera, et cetera. But look,
Speaker 1: that shouldn't that's beyond the pale. I mean, anybody involved
Speaker 1: in that should not be involved again. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: should never unless unless it was self defense, unless there
Speaker 1: was Yes, you know.
Speaker 2: There may be there may be some greater context to
Speaker 2: what happened, and the NFL is looking into it. But
Speaker 2: I think, you know, for those who are who are guilty,
Speaker 2: there should be long, long bands talking years, if not
Speaker 2: life pains, because we just we don't want, you know,
Speaker 2: the message that it sends to, you know, the kids
Speaker 2: who were they're playing and it's just, yeah, it's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Now. Overwhelmingly, John when when when you ask for questions
Speaker 1: on your social media channels, Yes, overwhelmingly. The key topic,
Speaker 1: the big topic, if if we only took one, it
Speaker 1: would be the NRL takeover of the Super League. Steve
Speaker 1: GASCOYN left a question on your Facebook saying when and
Speaker 1: if is this longer waited NRL takeover happening. It all
Speaker 1: seems a little cloak and dagger, and it might be
Speaker 1: a good time for you to scroll through your phone
Speaker 1: John at some of the questions relating to that, and
Speaker 1: I can have a look too, because honestly, I think
Speaker 1: we basically get bombarded with these questions, don't we We.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. I mean cloak and dagger is an
Speaker 2: interesting way to put it. I mean literally, negotiations by
Speaker 2: their nature, they're not not public, but I mean there's
Speaker 2: not really from what I've heard anyway, there's not really
Speaker 2: a strong update. What I was told a little while
Speaker 2: ago was that everything was being put on hold until
Speaker 2: the NRL deal was being negotiators in the NRL TV deal.
Speaker 2: That seems to have been done now by all the reports.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be officially announced this week.
Speaker 2: I think something like Wednesday or Thursday. But it's a
Speaker 2: big increase and you would think that, you know, by
Speaker 2: at least the coverage in Australia that there could be
Speaker 2: you know, a bit of a surplus that could go
Speaker 2: into the international game. So yeah, hopefully NRL Super League
Speaker 2: talks are back on the agenda. But you know, like anything,
Speaker 2: there's no guarantee that there will be a takeover, a partnership,
Speaker 2: a merger, an investment.
Speaker 1: Even the TV deal. Right, So from what I can gather,
Speaker 1: first of all, any TV deal that's leaked or announced
Speaker 1: as X amount of dollars, it can actually also be
Speaker 1: some part of that can be in kind part in
Speaker 1: terms of contra in terms of advertising and production costs
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yes, So, for example, in Australia,
Speaker 1: Channel nine and Fox Sports do a lot of the
Speaker 1: heavy living lifting for the NRL with their own social
Speaker 1: media production. They have the NRL on nine social media channels,
Speaker 1: they have the Fox League social media channels as an example,
Speaker 1: they have talk shows, etcetera, etcetera. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a cash figure that's coming into the game. Secondly,
Speaker 1: since the last TV deal, there's going to be three
Speaker 1: more NRL sides for that one going to be more
Speaker 1: content and there's more clubs that need some money. So
Speaker 1: it's a bit more complicated than just isn't it that
Speaker 1: salary inflation? Apparently, in terms of inflation over the last
Speaker 1: five years, I think it's actually not that big a
Speaker 1: jump really, So so you will get the announcements and
Speaker 1: it will be all fanfare, but if you actually break
Speaker 1: it down, it's a little bit different.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: I've been big rumors over here that they're not sure
Speaker 1: the narrow can afford the intervention in Super League. So
Speaker 1: that's that's something else to to consider. Also, I think
Speaker 1: the choice of CEO was really important because Tony Mestrov,
Speaker 1: by all accounts, was second second on the on the
Speaker 1: list of choices, didn't get the job, and he's got
Speaker 1: He's got a relationship with Peter Valandi, so they have
Speaker 1: been a direct line there in that. Thirdly, the fact
Speaker 1: that they've gone with two people that have already got
Speaker 1: the TV rights here suggests there's going to be an
Speaker 1: element of status quo maybe so, but is that able
Speaker 1: to tie it all in with the Super League? Who knows.
Speaker 1: So there's so many things to overcome. What do people
Speaker 1: ask John on this? Is any other directions we can
Speaker 1: go in there on that?
Speaker 2: I think in terms of the in terms of the
Speaker 2: NRL deal, not really. I mean, I think that's what
Speaker 2: we've said is basically where it's at. But as you, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Mark word House, what's the update on the
Speaker 2: NRL investment and if it comes, or expecting the salary
Speaker 2: captain increase. We're not really at that stage yet, Mark,
Speaker 2: But considering there's been a majority of clubs in Super
Speaker 2: Leigue against the salary cap increase, I don't think they
Speaker 2: would necessarily be one. I think that would probably be unlikely.
Speaker 1: We'll save all the other questions for the end. New
Speaker 1: South Wales have announced their team.
Speaker 2: I haven't actually, I haven't actually except I think two's
Speaker 2: in it, but I haven't actually seen the team yet.
Speaker 1: All right, well i'll read it to you now. Blues
Speaker 1: team for game three number one James de Desco, number two,
Speaker 1: Jack Bostoc Brown Tottle has been dropped, number three, Bradman
Speaker 1: Best Ca Tony Staggs has been dropped, number four, Stephen
Speaker 1: Crichton number five, Mark now Angannita Jase number six, Mitchell
Speaker 1: Moses number seven, Nathan Clearing number eight, Paying Hears nine,
Speaker 1: Reese Robson ten, Mitch Barnett eleven, Hudson Young twelve, Lie
Speaker 1: and Martin has been brought in so the lad Dylan
Speaker 1: Lucas has been dropped as Ieo maintained his position at Locke.
Speaker 1: Cameron Murray fourteen, Adam Fanower Blake fifteen, Hamole Olaquart sixteen,
Speaker 1: Blake Brayley is back at seventeen, Ethan Strange eighteen, Tollukola
Speaker 1: is at nineteen, and Victor Radley is at twenty. So
Speaker 1: that's the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I agree with some of those changes,
Speaker 2: some of them not really. I also probably prescribe to
Speaker 2: the theory that it's not necessarily the personnel, it's the
Speaker 2: tactics and how those players play and you know, how
Speaker 2: the interchanges us because Lorry Daily stuffed up badly. I
Speaker 2: listened to Sunday Sin Being a Triple M show today
Speaker 2: and they were having a big debate about whether the
Speaker 2: criticism of Lorry Daily was personal or not. I don't
Speaker 2: think any of the criticism has been personal. It's about
Speaker 2: his coaching. It's nothing to do with Lorry as a
Speaker 2: person or you know, and I don't know Lorry Daily.
Speaker 2: By all accounts, he's a fantastic bloke, you know, a
Speaker 2: lovely guy and you know he was a great servant
Speaker 2: for you so well. I was on the Coinstane Canberra.
Speaker 2: But it's got nothing to do with whether he's a
Speaker 2: good coach or or whether he's done a good job
Speaker 2: in Origin. I'd love for you so well as to
Speaker 2: get up in the third game, but I think it
Speaker 2: is probably unlikely. I think they probably rode their luck
Speaker 2: badly in Game one, and yeah, I think Queensland just
Speaker 2: seem to be better at these crucial moments in Origin.
Speaker 1: I have a very distinct feeling and based on the
Speaker 1: stuff I've consumed and belief in my own eyes want
Speaker 1: to look at things. And I think there's every chance
Speaker 1: Laurier Daily has accepted he's not up to this job.
Speaker 1: I think there's all the smart money he will be
Speaker 1: on this being his last Origin game.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I think that on the night of Origin apparently
Speaker 1: they had a big pow wow. And it's also been
Speaker 1: reported it's had a lot of conversations with players in
Speaker 1: the interim and it's been reported and hinted at that
Speaker 1: it has been about the tactics and how to go
Speaker 1: about beating Queensland in Game three. If Laurie Daily has
Speaker 1: done that, he's both home and smart because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of football IQ in that side that have just
Speaker 1: listed that know how to win premierships at least, and
Speaker 1: some of them have won Origin Shield as well. And
Speaker 1: there's enough football IQ in the state of New South
Speaker 1: Wales full stop. And I think one thing malmon Inga
Speaker 1: did so well as Queensland coach was he brought all
Speaker 1: those talents together to get the right answers. And I
Speaker 1: think there's two ways of looking at people who leave
Speaker 1: no stone unturned and change things and everything else. One
Speaker 1: it can suggest panic, but two it can also say
Speaker 1: you're scratching around and the more you scratch around looking
Speaker 1: for the answers, eventually you might find it. So I
Speaker 1: think we're going to have a real contest in Game three.
Speaker 1: So much so I may have put twenty dollars on
Speaker 1: New South Wales.
Speaker 2: Well, twenty dollars for a tit Lancashire and that's that's
Speaker 2: a big, big moves lankashireman.
Speaker 1: I have never heard that phrase before. You are Lancastrian. It's
Speaker 1: called and and.
Speaker 2: To that place anywhere.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm as a as a presenter here of this
Speaker 1: show and whatever else. We can't encourage people to gamble stupidly, John,
Speaker 1: So I'm just promoting gambling gamble responsibly. Twenty bung. I
Speaker 1: put ten bung or twenty bung on things occasionally So
Speaker 1: I was in the company of somebody who said, Lee,
Speaker 1: you need to put money on this horse. It is
Speaker 1: going to win today. And I looked at the odds
Speaker 1: and they were very good arts, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder how you know that's going to win today?
Speaker 1: So I did. I put twenty bung on and came
Speaker 1: away with two hundred bun. So I've I had money
Speaker 1: to put on this and I've been telling everybody who
Speaker 1: listened to me, I think New South Wales are going
Speaker 1: to come really strong. The shackle is going to be
Speaker 1: off them somewhat. That doesn't help the interchange, but there's
Speaker 1: enough people around New South Wales. Somebody can can can
Speaker 1: get in Lorrie's ear and sort that interchange out too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's one thing about being in crisis, John,
Speaker 1: you reach for You reach for things that you might
Speaker 1: not necessarily reach for in non crisis time. So and
Speaker 1: people forget as well. It's one all in the series.
Speaker 1: New South Wales just have to win one game and
Speaker 1: they've won the s.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think we could spend all
Speaker 2: day analyzing it. You know, I personally I would have
Speaker 2: put put collar in the wing and not pick boss
Speaker 2: Stock or kept oo lea Martin I think is a
Speaker 2: good selection whether Ethan Strange should be standing at six
Speaker 2: after Moses' game, saying that Moses is one, you know,
Speaker 2: he's had our blinders in origin before and Happy, I mean,
Speaker 2: did he deserve to be dropped?
Speaker 1: But Nathan Cleary, I mean, Nathan Cleary has got a
Speaker 1: really checkered representative history after that. Apart from his first
Speaker 1: two years, he's been really poor in rep football statistically,
Speaker 1: and I've analyzed his game. You know, there's just a
Speaker 1: narrative around Nathan Cleary, just automatic pick because he's Nathan Cleary.
Speaker 1: And and I think this is part of New South
Speaker 1: Wales problem anyway. This is Super League three sixty not
Speaker 1: why not? Why New South Wales are Ship three sixty
Speaker 1: Broncos Broncos by all accounts now are out of the
Speaker 1: NRL title race based on based on maths, and Gus
Speaker 1: Goule says, the minute you start saying it's mathematically possible,
Speaker 1: it's the end. So Broncos lost to Roosters the other day.
Speaker 1: I suppose the question there is where will the Broncos
Speaker 1: go if they don't make the finals this year? In
Speaker 1: terms of their coach, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think they're going to sack him. They've had a terrible year.
Speaker 2: I know they've had a lot of injuries, but it
Speaker 2: just seems like players are unhappy. Jesse Arthur. Jesse Arthur's
Speaker 2: apparently was offered a deal by the Broncos, but not
Speaker 2: to back and it's kind of cat Leans and obviously
Speaker 2: paying Hals is going But I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I'll stick with Madge. What will be interesting. I think
Speaker 2: he's only got next year, So did they extend him
Speaker 2: or not? You would think with the way things are going,
Speaker 2: they aren't going to extend him at this point, but
Speaker 2: stranger things have happened.
Speaker 1: Well it is and I mean, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you want to complash year? I mean he
Speaker 1: did you know? Anyway? Like I said, this is Super
Speaker 1: League three sixty before we go through magic weekend fixture, John,
Speaker 1: do you want to have a look at the other
Speaker 1: questions that we've got.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll have a quick read through. So we've got
Speaker 2: a question from Ben Blackwell. Will there be a contingency
Speaker 2: contingency playing in place of York's Fine, if York's financials
Speaker 2: is okay, I'll start that again. Apologies. Will there be
Speaker 2: a contingency playing in place of York's financial financial issues
Speaker 2: worse than the last thing with sports Age is another
Speaker 2: sulfured fiasco with players leaving, not getting paid, et cetera.
Speaker 2: This steep into the season. Although I am advocate for expansion,
Speaker 2: with hindsight, it's being rushed. I'm not aware of there
Speaker 2: being a contingency plan at all. I know there was
Speaker 2: partly one with Sulfur, but there also wasn't. So yeah,
Speaker 2: in terms of it being rushed, I think we all
Speaker 2: know it was rushed. I think we all said, well,
Speaker 2: I think at least mainly said that there wasn't a playpool,
Speaker 2: there wasn't a finances, and you know, we've been proved
Speaker 2: right the question.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm so happy about job. We've gone
Speaker 1: through the NRL section, which we normally only do for
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, and you didn't mention manly or
Speaker 1: fosball or anything. So that you're developing as a person,
Speaker 1: you're growing.
Speaker 2: I did enjoy the game on Saturday, though.
Speaker 1: They moving on that Saints blog said our coaches who
Speaker 1: preach the grind and the arm wrestles sentencing the sports
Speaker 1: or a slow, painful death.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a bit of a weird question because
Speaker 2: I mean, you should probably answer.
Speaker 1: This well you answer it. You answer it from a
Speaker 1: journalist and spectator point of view first, because I think
Speaker 1: it's a unique question. I wouldn't call it a strange question.
Speaker 1: I call it a unique question because I think he's
Speaker 1: looking at entertainment value there. So I think a journalist
Speaker 1: and a spectator as such is more attuned to enter.
Speaker 1: You talk from the entertainment perspective, and then I'll talk
Speaker 1: from the coaching well.
Speaker 2: From a jealousy point of view, I would say that
Speaker 2: every coach preaches the wrestle and the grind, because if
Speaker 2: you don't, then you aren't going to win many games,
Speaker 2: if any. I think once you do that, what you
Speaker 2: do when you have the ball, apart from what you
Speaker 2: do on defense, is different, and you might play a
Speaker 2: more expensive style than others. But I don't think there's
Speaker 2: a huge amount of difference in philosophies of the way
Speaker 2: the game has played, at least in Super League R
Speaker 2: level in my experience, I don't think you can. You know,
Speaker 2: every coach, every sorry club has a wrestle room. They
Speaker 2: all practice wrestling, and that's been happening well more than
Speaker 2: twenty years.
Speaker 1: He said the arm wrestle, not the wrestle. So he's
Speaker 1: talking about the field position grind basically. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it is connected, but I know what you
Speaker 1: mean yet. I wouldn't blame the coaches, Saints blog man.
Speaker 1: I'd blame the administrators because for something else I'm doing,
Speaker 1: I've done. I've had a look at the evolution of
Speaker 1: the game from an Australian perspective in terms of rules
Speaker 1: and how that's impact coaching. Saint George won eleven straight
Speaker 1: in the sixties, fifties and sixties, and they won that
Speaker 1: because it was limited tackles and they could hold the
Speaker 1: ball for a week in a game. And therefore they
Speaker 1: brought in the four tackle rule and then the six
Speaker 1: tackle rule, which.
Speaker 2: Made you also couldn't recruit players outside of.
Speaker 1: Your area, that's right. And therefore, once the four tackle
Speaker 1: and the sixth tackle rule came in, it became limited
Speaker 1: as to your possession, so you had to make the
Speaker 1: best of it, right, So then we started seeing moves
Speaker 1: come in and things like that because there was only
Speaker 1: five meters apart or five yards. And then now what
Speaker 1: we've done over the years is we've got rid of
Speaker 1: the opportunities to win possession wherever you are. So you
Speaker 1: used to be able to strike at the play the
Speaker 1: ball for the ball. You used to be able to
Speaker 1: steal the ball if there was more than one person
Speaker 1: in there, and then they scrapped that and then brought
Speaker 1: in a rule again where you can do a one
Speaker 1: on one strip. So basically the game became a game
Speaker 1: where one team would have the ball for a set
Speaker 1: of six to go down the other end, and then
Speaker 1: the other team would have a ball for six. And
Speaker 1: so then they brought the forty twenty meter rule in
Speaker 1: a forty twenty kick in to try and to try
Speaker 1: and change that up. So I would blame the administrators
Speaker 1: more if I'm honest. Any more questions, John, Yeah, We've
Speaker 1: got a few more. One from Debbie Jones. I'd like
Speaker 1: to know why if you're attaining a rugby league match
Speaker 1: you can only bring in a bag no bigger than
Speaker 1: an A four size, but if you turn a test
Speaker 1: matches in the cricket you can take a rucksack. I
Speaker 1: thought it was the same ruler or sporting events in
Speaker 1: the UK. I think it's down to security regulations at
Speaker 1: each individual Stadium Debbie. Debbie was the one who got
Speaker 1: was in trouble the other week with Neil Hull.
Speaker 2: Question from Andy is it true the host of Giants
Speaker 2: are buying Dewsby Rand Stadium? Now there's been rumors about
Speaker 2: Hartsfield actually buying the Jewsbury, rams Lockstock and Barrel several
Speaker 2: weeks ago. That's just a rumor at this stage is
Speaker 2: not being substantiated. But with obviously what's happened with the
Speaker 2: shared Halifax, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
Speaker 2: Question from John Rogers does anybody ever monitor the depts
Speaker 2: championship clubs are building up alongside the sildary cap? Is
Speaker 2: this essentially in order to move away from overspending, declaring
Speaker 2: back bankruptcy, start again, repeat cycle, often with the same people.
Speaker 1: I'd like to praise John for having Colin Bell in
Speaker 1: his profile picture and everything Manchester City. That's my boy.
Speaker 2: No one monitors it from the RFL. I believed John,
Speaker 2: there's not really a central body doing it. The RFL
Speaker 2: stances that their individual businesses and it's not their job
Speaker 2: to run them and tell them what to do. It
Speaker 2: is the same cycle, often with the same people, because
Speaker 2: we don't really have any due diligence done on who
Speaker 2: owns clubs or who investments invest in them. We just
Speaker 2: take whatever.
Speaker 1: Google search.
Speaker 2: Yep, Google search is a very strenuous investigation. Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I there was a question I just liked as well.
Speaker 1: If Josh Charley has not been named in the initial
Speaker 1: thirty man England are OL World Cup squad, why not?
Speaker 1: That's from James Taylor.
Speaker 2: I would I mean, I'm not Brian McDonough and I'm
Speaker 2: not speaking for him, but I would hazard a guess
Speaker 2: because well, Josh Charlie is still scoring tries and still
Speaker 2: a talented player. Probably his best years are behind him,
Speaker 2: and there are players in the prime of their careers
Speaker 2: and arguably better players now ahead of him in the
Speaker 2: pecking line. And I'm talking about Dom Young, Tom Johnston, Maddy.
Speaker 1: Ashton, younger versions as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, who perhaps are you know quicker more athletic, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Another question from Debbie how long have a
Speaker 2: side got there the soul where they can make a
Speaker 2: captain challenge or is there no time?
Speaker 1: That's the other question we get all the time, isn't
Speaker 1: it about captain's challenges and video referees.
Speaker 2: Is there thirty seconds or a minute? There is definitely.
Speaker 2: I thought there was a timeer on that.
Speaker 1: I think definitely well in an RL, I think it's
Speaker 1: about ten seconds or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a there's definitely a short window. A
Speaker 2: question for Gavin Quinn is there any news on P
Speaker 2: and G Chiefs and Perth grade recruitment in the Super League.
Speaker 2: I've not heard anything else Gavin that's been recorded. Obviously
Speaker 2: there had quite a few targets. I don't think necessarily
Speaker 2: there'll be any other big ones name announced, at least
Speaker 2: for Perth because I think their squad is mostly done.
Speaker 2: P and G obviously aren't playing for twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: so we could see some movement next year possibly, And
Speaker 2: I think on Facebook there was another question. I sure
Speaker 2: have you got this one, Lee or you brought me
Speaker 2: to read it out.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a question from me and Judson. I'll
Speaker 2: let you answer it. First. We need to ditch the
Speaker 2: video referee and all the TV gimmicks that go with it.
Speaker 2: Our sport has much bigger priorities than pander into television
Speaker 2: and including disasters like captain's challenge. Try no, try to
Speaker 2: consider it, and it is subsequently masking the standard referee
Speaker 2: vastly were making the standard of refereeing vastly worse than
Speaker 2: it was before. There's a discussion for you.
Speaker 1: Did you say his name was Ian?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Ian. I'm going to answer this very quickly and very
Speaker 1: quite brutally. Actually, the game has to pander to television
Speaker 1: because it wouldn't exist without television right quite frankly right now,
Speaker 1: because it forms a sport and that's it. And then
Speaker 1: everything you say, everything he says about the the video referee,
Speaker 1: et cetera, totally genuine but yeah, we've got you're unfortunate
Speaker 1: first line of that question. It just can't happen. We've
Speaker 1: got to panda television, particularly in England. They've got to
Speaker 1: go cap in hand and just get what they can
Speaker 1: into TV money.
Speaker 2: Every score does, the NFL does, the Premier League does,
Speaker 2: the NRL does the thing about the video referee. I'm
Speaker 2: old enough to remember when we didn't have it, Like
Speaker 2: people have short memories, gen many like real clangers that
Speaker 2: used to cost I can even remember what the ninety
Speaker 2: five Grand Final, and you know one was a forward pass.
Speaker 2: But Canterbury scored from a forward pass. Jim Dimmitt wraps
Speaker 2: the ball around, passes forward. They had a seven tackle
Speaker 2: set in the Grand final. You know, there's lots of
Speaker 2: you know, clangers that we don't have because we have
Speaker 2: a video.
Speaker 1: And it happened in the Canberra Rooster's Grand Final the
Speaker 1: other year as well with all the six again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's no there's
Speaker 2: always a margin of error when it comes to human being.
Speaker 2: So we're not going to lose the video referee. And yeah,
Speaker 2: television's here to stay, has been for what eighty years?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that? Is that for questions? Mate?
Speaker 2: That is mate? We've got Magic Weekend in less than
Speaker 2: a week. I will be there at day both days,
Speaker 2: all six games, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: Just got time for tips then Johnny's tips. Quadersfield York
Speaker 1: at twelve thirty on Saturday, the Battle of Last and
Speaker 1: second last. Look Addersfield. They impressed me today, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to just go with York. Yeah, not really for any.
Speaker 2: Particular reason, but it's a fifty to fifty game when
Speaker 2: you've got to pick one of them.
Speaker 1: Whole k Are versus Whole three o'clock on Saturday.
Speaker 2: I don't know the last time I lost to Derby.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say it was probably about four years ago,
Speaker 2: maybe longer. And yeah, I think I think okay win that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Lee versus Warrington at five thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, an interesting one, considering the injuries that Warrington have got.
Speaker 2: I think probably with the form that Lee are in,
Speaker 2: I might just go with the Leopards on that one.
Speaker 1: Catalans play to lose at eight o'clock. Well, that's actually
Speaker 1: in France, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It is in France. I think probably the Dragons may obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, a stronger team on paper, and John cart
Speaker 2: right there, I think, yeah, they're probably making some slight
Speaker 2: movements towards stronger consistency.
Speaker 1: I've messed up the BBC thing that I'm doing. Hang on,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the feet. So next week is Saturday
Speaker 1: the fourth. Yeah, yes, and I've just done the right
Speaker 1: thing right, So someday the fifth sorry live live podcasting
Speaker 1: someday the fifth of July. Wakefield versus Cast at lunchtime,
Speaker 1: twelve thirty. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you know, as we said, we were talking
Speaker 2: about Casts turn a bit of a corner and then
Speaker 2: losing against York I think Wakey have one five of
Speaker 2: the last six up into fourth now and I like
Speaker 2: the look of them, even though they weren't their best today.
Speaker 2: I think tipping them for the results in.
Speaker 1: That one lead versus Bradford at three o'clock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at the form sheet,
Speaker 2: it's got to be the Rhinos.
Speaker 1: Wigan versus Saint Helens at five point thirty.
Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, I think we again, particularly after what happened
Speaker 2: good Friday and then what happened in the semifinals. I
Speaker 2: think Sons will be very fine out but I think
Speaker 2: as well so I'm really looking forward to that actually
Speaker 2: be very very tasty.
Speaker 1: Maybe they should play it after nine o'clock, after the watershed,
Speaker 1: because me that makes me laugh when some media outlets
Speaker 1: this is going to be a fiery game. You're not
Speaker 1: allowed to do anything anymore. Why would it be. There's
Speaker 1: be a few big hits or something and a bit
Speaker 1: of push and shove, unless, of course, you're at Driddlington
Speaker 1: and Thornhill and it's making hay mmmm. That's another episode
Speaker 1: of three sixty Super League, three sixty done and dusted.
Speaker 1: I do apologize for those watching for John's shit shirt.
Speaker 1: There is something resembling a kangaroo on there is Is
Speaker 1: that a soccer roose jersey though.
Speaker 2: This is a soccer roose chasey. Yes, and we will
Speaker 2: be playing my Egyptians next for her not looking for it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll buy some Toby roans so I've got some pyramids. Okay,
Speaker 1: take care,