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<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure right now to be joined by a

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Famer and a man that obviously has great

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<v Speaker 1>memories pitching here at Dodgers Stadium during the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>six World Series, and that is Orioles broadcaster and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the national broadcasters we grew up with in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and nineties, and that is the great Jim Palmer.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly an honor to speak to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, great, that's great to be here. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>coming back here. We were here in twenty sixteen. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems like it was in twenty nineteen, but it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we came here in sixty six. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>of course the Dodgers. I grew up in New York

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<v Speaker 2>and I was a Yankee fan, so that almost every

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<v Speaker 2>World Series seemed like it was, you know, the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 2>and the Yankees. Yankees won most of them. Dodgers did

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<v Speaker 2>win in fifty five, and Don Larson, who pitched the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect game in fifty six, was one of my teammates

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<v Speaker 2>when I got to the big leagues in nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was born in.

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<v Speaker 2>New York, adopted moved a Whittier when my dad passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was nine and nineteen fifty five, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we came to Beverly Hill was in nineteen fifty six.

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<v Speaker 2>So I used to go to I used to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Coliseum, and then I would when I moved to

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona to go to high school. Dodgers actually wanted me

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<v Speaker 2>to sign, but it was a year before the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, listen, go to sc and I went

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<v Speaker 2>to actually the backyard barbecue with Rod Dato and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, go there for a year.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll shine you the next year.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, I have other teams interested, and

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<v Speaker 2>they signed Jeff Torborg, who's a great guy, instead of me.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know that, of course the Dodgers we

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<v Speaker 2>played him in sixty six in the World Series. They

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<v Speaker 2>had won in sixty three and they beat the Yankees

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three. They beat the Twins in sixty five, so

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<v Speaker 2>when we came out here, we were the underdogs. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know the irony is because of the Jewish holidays.

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<v Speaker 2>Sandy kofax So was what twenty seven and seven that

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<v Speaker 2>year with a one night era. He didn't pitch game one,

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<v Speaker 2>so I ended up you know, pitching game two, Game one, Brooks,

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<v Speaker 2>Robinson and Frank Robinson hit home runs in the first inning.

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<v Speaker 3>Off John Drysdale.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm twenty years old, and I'm thinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we really don't have much of a chance, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>first time we'd ever been in the World Series. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we do. And then Dave McNally started struggled. Motorbowski

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<v Speaker 2>came in and struck out eleven Dodgers in six and

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<v Speaker 2>two thirds innings, one of the great performances in relief.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sitting there at twenty, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was a fasketball curveball pitcher. I tow real hard, but

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it went over, sometimes it didn't. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to pitch against Sandy Kovacs and I go, I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to embarrass myself.

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<v Speaker 3>And as it turned out, it was nothing. Nothing. Going

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<v Speaker 3>to the fifth inning, Willie.

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<v Speaker 2>Davis dropped the fly ball, dropped another one, and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't particularly every sunny, but it was you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of the you know, June gloom, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was in October. Picked up the second one through

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<v Speaker 2>in the stands. We got some under and runs. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they made six errors in that game. We

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<v Speaker 2>won six. Nothing went to Baltimore one won nothing, one nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and walked out of Memorial Stadium in Baltimore world champs.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was, I mean, it was so surreal

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<v Speaker 2>that we could not only beat the Dodgers, but some

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<v Speaker 2>win four in a row. And you know, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a great offense and they were mostly about pitching.

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<v Speaker 2>Get wills on. You know, Tommy Davis, who eventually played

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<v Speaker 2>with us, was one of the great hitters, broke his ankle,

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<v Speaker 2>so they didn't have a great offense, but they usually

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<v Speaker 2>beat you because they didn't beat themselves. In my game,

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<v Speaker 2>they beat themselves. And then how often do you have

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<v Speaker 2>won nothing ball games? You know, in their World Series,

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<v Speaker 2>But we were able to do that. Wally Bunker who

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<v Speaker 2>had been rookie pitch of the Year, but it had

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<v Speaker 2>some arm problems, and then Dave bing Ally came back

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<v Speaker 2>from struggling in Game one, one nothing, and you're World Champs.

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<v Speaker 3>Jim.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard my whole life growing up in the San

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<v Speaker 1>Fernando Valley about those airs by Willie Davis, who everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was shocked that he had those airs. Could you feel

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<v Speaker 1>the momentum change in the World Series with those plays?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it changed the score of the game. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we had one game.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we won Game one five to two, and

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<v Speaker 2>they scored I think they scored in the second or

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<v Speaker 2>third inning and never scored another run. You know, but

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<v Speaker 2>again it was a four game series as it turned out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I mean Sandy, I think through twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three of the first twenty five pitches for strikes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>even Sandy Kopex, I hit against him, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean as a kid, I used to come to Dodger

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<v Speaker 2>Stadium and watch him pitch, and you know, I saw

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<v Speaker 2>him on television. I saw him in the World Series.

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<v Speaker 2>But once again, I mean, you know, he throws it

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<v Speaker 2>at your fastball and it starts in the lobby and

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<v Speaker 2>ends up in the mezzanine. And then when you fail,

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<v Speaker 2>oh well, you know, and I was pretty good hitter,

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<v Speaker 2>I go, I better get a little bit quicker, and

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<v Speaker 2>I use Frank Robbins as our one sixty one, and

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<v Speaker 2>I go, and now all of a sudden, the same

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<v Speaker 2>pitch that you thought was a fastball went end up

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<v Speaker 2>in the lower basement because it was a curveball. John

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<v Speaker 2>Rosebery would catch her on the ground. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>Cofex was Copex.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim, I'm curious, when you come back to Dodgers Stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>can you see yourself here? Because the ballpark was only

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<v Speaker 1>four or five years old when you pitched here in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixty six World Series. When you come back here,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have those visions still?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you know, once again, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>so long ago. My parents had come over from Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>I had relatives here. You know, when you're twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>old and you're playing in your first World Series, it

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're it's hard to be in the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And I you know, we I played on

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of really good teams. I mean, from sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five to eighty four, the Ools had the best winning

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<v Speaker 2>percentage in baseball. We were in six World Series, only

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<v Speaker 2>won three of them, but we were in them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of playoffs, played with some of the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>players that ever played. And you know, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my first roommates, Robin Roberts, he had two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy wins and it ended up with two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six. You know, Frank Robinson won the Triple ground

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<v Speaker 2>in sixty six when we beat the Dodgers. Roox Robinson

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen gold gloves. I played with Cal Junior who played

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six hundred and thirty two games. Our first baseman

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<v Speaker 2>was Buck Powow with three fifty or Eddie Murray one

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<v Speaker 2>of the seven guys that had over five hundred home

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<v Speaker 2>runs in three thousand hits. You know, Blamser won eight

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<v Speaker 2>gold gloves, is Short Blair one ecold gloves.

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<v Speaker 3>Don Vievers, who's.

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<v Speaker 2>From the valley, went to sc was one of the greatest,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, greatest leadoff hitters from sixty nine when we

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<v Speaker 2>won one hundred, nine hundred and eight hundred and one

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<v Speaker 2>games played on the staff that had four twenty game

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<v Speaker 2>winners in seventy one three in nineteen seventy. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I come out here, it's a different game. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've draw it seems like more people that you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I ran into jannit Marie Smith, who was the architect

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<v Speaker 2>who built Kimden Yards, and she was telling me how

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<v Speaker 2>much foul territory they used to have and now they're seats.

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<v Speaker 3>So this was you know, everybody said this was a

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<v Speaker 3>great base to pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>You add another what forty five fifty sixty feet of

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<v Speaker 2>vowel territory, no wonder. Kopaxa, Drivesdale loved to pitch here.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know Don Sutton, you know, won over three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred games, So you know, the Dodgers have a great organization.

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<v Speaker 2>They always have. I grew up in you know, again

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<v Speaker 2>in New York, where you had you know, Dodgers had Snyder,

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the Giants had Maze. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Yankees had Demaggio and Mantle. Was the only time in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of baseball where you had three teams in

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<v Speaker 2>the same metropolitan area. So I come out here, I

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<v Speaker 2>look at the Dodgers. It's hard not to because they

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<v Speaker 2>won what eleven and I have the last twelve, you know, divisions,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard not They're kind of like what Atlanta did.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, obviously you know Dave Roberts is a

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<v Speaker 2>terrific guy, you know, and again, I mean I remember

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<v Speaker 2>his stolen base when they you know, when the Red

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<v Speaker 2>Sox came back from being down three nothing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I love the Yankees when I grew up, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I was thirty and sixteen against him. Once you become

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball player, you want to beat him because they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the gold standard in the American League. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we come out here and who's the gold

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<v Speaker 2>standard in the National League The Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>And we were you know, we won last night three

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<v Speaker 3>to two.

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<v Speaker 2>We need wins their lead and they have as good

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<v Speaker 2>a record as anybody we have, you know, a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of injuries. They lost what fifteen hundred and eighty six

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<v Speaker 2>games to injuries this year. So when you come out

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<v Speaker 2>here and then you know here, I mean what they

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<v Speaker 2>were fifty two thousand and now it's o'shawn, you know, Showhee, O'johnny.

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<v Speaker 2>And I look at and I saw o'donnie take batting

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<v Speaker 2>practice last year in Anaheim, and I you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Mays and I saw him mantle and I'm going,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody hits the ball as far as show he does.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, and I saw him when he came

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<v Speaker 2>up and he started pitching. Because Mike Soshi said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of has a similar wind up. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't stand on the third base side. He needs

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<v Speaker 2>to get in the middle of the of the rubber

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<v Speaker 2>and now, which is where he pitches now when he pitches.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, you know, they have some great players. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know Freddie Freeman from Atlanta. You know, I knew

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<v Speaker 2>Bookie Betts, who was one of the great players, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the American League when he came up with the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Sox. I saw him at a home run back

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen, and I go, boy, does this kid

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<v Speaker 2>have some bat speed?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what, he had lost a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the best players, Jim Palmer, hall of famer,

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<v Speaker 1>first class all the way. We have a future Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Famer, certainly left hander with the Dodgers that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not seeing in this series.

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<v Speaker 2>When you went now, rewears that same number that I work,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two. Why he wears twenty two. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>I got to the Ools at age nineteen and they

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<v Speaker 2>gave me twenty two, And people said, why'd you wear it?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, because if you get the big leagues at nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll take any number they give you. But oh, you

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<v Speaker 2>know Clayton's out here. You know, I had a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to him. I mean about seven eight years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>We were behind the cage, and you know, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>he you know, his shoulder recovers well, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and he helps them, you know, get to the World

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<v Speaker 2>Series or the playoffs. And you know again, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's been a dominant left hander, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's kind of typical of maybe older pitchers and

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<v Speaker 2>him he's not that old, but I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's had a lot of innings where you have to

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<v Speaker 2>make some adjustments. You know, used to throw harder, but

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<v Speaker 2>he still gets people out. You know, he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>great break and ball. He knows how to pitch. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when you play for the Dodgers, you got

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<v Speaker 2>a great chance to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Man Jim Palmer first class all the way. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like Hall of Famer doesn't do you justice. You are

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<v Speaker 1>first class and you are a treasure to the game

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<v Speaker 1>of baseball, and hopefully everybody, not only the fans, but

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<v Speaker 1>the organization still values your input.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I've been there sixty one years in Baltimore,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know they actually the former ownership Missus Angelo's.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a step son with autism, and we have

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years, she gave me a check for fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>was there sixty years, gave me a check for sixty

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<v Speaker 2>a new ownership, Dave Rubenstein is going to do a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful job, you know. You know, we have a really

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<v Speaker 2>good organization, a lot of good young players. Small small

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<v Speaker 2>about ninety three million this year and we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>compete with the Yankees and trying to be with the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Sox, trying to compete with it in the Blue Jays.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, I think I'm well appreciated, and like I

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<v Speaker 2>said before, I had a chance to play with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the greatest players that ever played. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's something you dream about, you know when I used

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<v Speaker 2>to go to Yankee Stadium when I was nine years old.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your greatest day ever? The day you go before

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<v Speaker 2>Keller Television and you walk up that runway and you

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<v Speaker 2>see how green the field is and the field's still green,

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<v Speaker 2>especially here at Dodger Stadium. What a beautiful ballpark.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Palmer still got those baby blue eyes that we

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<v Speaker 1>saw at twenty years old, and the sixty six World series.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully it can be somewhat of a revisiting of the

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six World Series with the Dodgers and Orioles Gym

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll come back out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you guys better be careful because we did win

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<v Speaker 2>far or row. But again, you know, I mean, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, if we got to the World Series again,

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<v Speaker 2>first World Series, you know, and he was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one or twenty two, just like I was. And

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, you know, we're gonna have a lot and

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't been back, so you know, again, hopefully that'll happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and would be nice if it happened in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>But like I said, we've lost three or four pitchers

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<v Speaker 2>to Tommy John and you know, we'll just we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>make do. And you know, we made some trades and

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<v Speaker 2>we have a very competitive ball club. And I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at last night's game and I'm going, how do we

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<v Speaker 2>win that game? But we did, and hopefully tonight we

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<v Speaker 2>have Corbyn Burns, who's had struggled the last three or

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<v Speaker 2>four starts, but very very capable pitcher WHI twelve wins

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you know as well as I do,

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<v Speaker 2>Walker Bueller. You know, before the Tommy John was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the great pitchers in the National League. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's thirty years old. Now he's struggling a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna have a pay game tonight, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to hear your impressions of tonight's game

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<v Speaker 1>when I see you tomorrow. What a great treat to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to share you with Dodger fans, because I know,

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<v Speaker 1>even though you were an oriole your entire career, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles and California obviously values and certainly respects

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<v Speaker 1>what you've accomplished in your career, not only as a player,

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<v Speaker 1>but as a broadcaster, first class all the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you for that. And I even had a

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<v Speaker 2>Dodger dog last night. Yeah, I'm just why I'm smiling.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a lot for the time, ja Oh, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>My pleasure.